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Sergey Mikheev: “There will be no Russia without Russians”

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Reflections of a famous publicist on the eve of National Unity Day


Sergey Mikheev: “There will be no Russia without Russians”- Sergey Aleksandrovich, it probably makes sense to recall how we transformed in our newest stories "November" holidays. In 1996, by decree of Boris Yeltsin, the former name - “Anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution” - was changed to the Day of Reconciliation and Reconciliation, and on the same day, November 7, “in order to mitigate opposition and reconciliation of various layers of Russian society”. And only in 2004, a law was passed to celebrate National Unity Day. But already 4 November. A personal question: what is your day associated with?

- With the Day of National Unity, everything is clear and understandable. To abandon the previous holiday followed for two reasons. The new government has set itself the goal of ousting the citizens of the communist holiday from consciousness - this is the first. There is a second: if you recall the ninety-first and ninety-third years, then it is abundantly clear that at that time the society was sharply divided. Including - and on the collapse of the Soviet Union, and in their assessments of the new course of the country. Accordingly, the authorities tried to reconcile everyone in some way. But, first of all, I repeat, they wanted to supplant "the seventh of November - the red day of the calendar," if someone remembers this rhyme.

As for my attitude towards the Day of National Unity, then I suppose this holiday is still more artificial ... Yes, I feel myself part of a single nation, although I can’t say that November 4 is a grand celebration for me. Its historical background related to the expulsion of the Poles impresses me a lot more than associations with 1991 and 1993 for years. Roughly speaking, the motives of Boris Yeltsin and his team, according to which they began to rename, I care a little. But referring to the historical roots was done correctly.

Well, and whether we are a single nation or not - the question is different. I think yes. Although, of course, internal contradictions and tensions in society are quite strong. Contradictions - from social to ethnic - exist, and aggravated with the collapse of the Soviet Union. We are still struggling with the consequences of the collapse of a single state.

However, we are one nation. Even just by the existence of a single state. Among other things, a common cultural-historical and ideological platform remains in spite of many nuances and differences.

Of course, the liberalization processes that were launched in the nineties lead to the atomization of society. People are told that the main thing in their lives is personal well-being. Therefore, someone is no longer interested in such issues as the unity of the nation or its absence. They do not care about the problem of historical, and indeed the sovereignty of Russia in general, they are fixated on personal narrow interests, so that in such a system of coordinates the unity theme worries them less and less.

- It turns out that the political task of creating a single nation comes into conflict with economic realities? With "life", as they say?

- Let's clarify: the political task of strengthening the unity of the nation comes into conflict with the liberal paradigm of Russia's development. At least, with the liberal paradigm that we have professed since the beginning of the nineties. Whether the authorities understand this or not, here we are dealing with a conflict - modern Russian liberalism is opposed to the task of preserving the unity of the nation. Moreover, he considers the unity of the nation, as such, to be more of a relic than a necessity. However, the same relic as sovereignty, patriotism, territorial integrity, respect for their own history and much more.

- Suppose - just suppose ... - that agreement in society was reached, it was possible to rename the holiday. And here, in the presence of a certain political agreement, did the so-called national question “climb out”? ..

- The national question is one of the problems that was exacerbated by the collapse of the Soviet Union, but I would venture to say that it existed in those times. Because not in the nineties and, as they say, it was not yesterday that the problem came to light, it was the creation of the USSR that “fired up” it: the collapse of the Russian Empire was, including, with the support of the Bolsheviks, ethnic minorities, national regions. No wonder the Soviet Union became a federation of ethnic state formations. Never before in its history has the “big Russia” been divided along ethnic lines. And since 1917, this section has been installed. And, by the way, in the first years of the Soviet government there were many problems with this, which were then simply suppressed by the super-rigid administrative-military system. But when this system weakened and began to falter, the bomb that was laid during the creation of the USSR worked in the nineties, and splashed out all the contradictions that were not visible under the rigid state system. For example, in the USSR, this issue was seriously restrained by means of the institute of registration: everyone was tightly tied to the territory of their residence, rather weakly crossed in life. So in this situation it was possible to create the illusion of “friendship of nations” and to say that everyone lives with the same thoughts. This was partly true, partly - propaganda, since interethnic conflicts existed in the Soviet Union. Just spreading information about them was blocked.

- That is, the famous film "Pig and Shepherd" - an idealization of the situation?

- Sure. Of course, the authorities sought this, but did not achieve the goal they had set. Although, of course, the overall situation was much calmer than the current one. There have been some successes in this area, but you see, we did not invent nationality and ethnicity, it’s not for us to cancel them. Trying to make people forget about it is quite difficult. And in the nineties, the problem escalated: the Soviet Union collapsed precisely along the borders of national formations, this process was inevitably accompanied by an explosive growth of self-awareness, as they used to say, of national suburbs, and in Russia itself.

Remember Yeltsin's "Take sovereignty as much as you swallow." He, in much the same way as the Bolsheviks in the seventeenth year, made those national outskirts his support in the struggle against the Allied center. No wonder he was supported there, including, at some time, and Johar Dudayev in Chechnya. The leader of the Chechen separatists before the first assault on Grozny warmly endorsed the actions of Boris Yeltsin, this is a fact. He supported him for the reason that, acting in the liberal-revolutionary paradigm, he released a genie of "unlimited" separation and self-determination from a bottle. It was also not by chance that Yeltsin in Chechnya, up to a certain time, relied specifically on Dudayev, since he did not trust the last party leader of this region, Zavgayev, and was afraid that he would support the union center. It was with the connivance of Yeltsin and his entourage into the hands of the separatists in Chechnya a huge amount weaponswhich was then used against the federal forces. Similarly, in the other Union republics and ethnic regions of Russia itself, Yeltsin and his team in the struggle for power initially relied on such people, thereby stimulating the growth of ethnic nationalism and separatism of the borderlands.

Against the background of all these events, the national question has become quite acute. The self-determination of the former Soviet republics was carried out with hard pressure primarily on the Russians, and in the republics of Central Asia and Transcaucasia on the Slavic population as a whole. Today, nobody probably remembers this - and then liberal human rights activists did not want to pay attention to it, and today they don’t intend to return to history - because in most of the republics the process of statehood formation was accompanied by the expulsion of Russians. And sometimes this pressure was aggravated by internal contradictions even up to civil war, and therefore it took on even more acute forms. All this led to a mass exodus of Russians from national republics, and this happened in a boorish and repressive manner: many were killed, many were deprived of their property ...

Here, in Russia, the Chechen war and the growth of nationalism in the republics also led to the ousting of Russians from many national regions. In a number of regions of the North Caucasus, their number is still declining. It sharply decreased during the Chechen war, continues today. The Russians left, they leave, they are ousted, expelled. There is no incitement to hatred on my part - it’s just statistics that you can't argue with.

These processes inevitably generated a reciprocal wave: the growth of Russian nationalism, radicalism and everything connected with them. In the conditions of liberal transformations, all this often took the form of neo-Nazism, fashionable in the West in general and in Europe in particular, especially among young people. The growth of neo-Nazism in the West has become a noticeable trend against the background of migration processes long before the collapse of the Union. And since in the “new” Russia in the nineties, it was strenuously hammered into their heads that everything Western is very good, it is not surprising that this trend has become fashionable in our country too. Well, this is a well-known paradox - liberal democracy often leads the way to various kinds of anti-liberal radicalism, for example, fascism. Liberals resemble a bacillus that kills an organism in which it lives, not realizing that the death of an organism will mean its own death.

To summarize: the problem was the result of the collapse of a large country, and the result, I believe, of the time bomb that, as a principle, was laid during the formation of the Soviet Union. Whether the authorities understood then what they were doing, or did not realize it, I don’t know.

Recent events in the Moscow area of ​​Biryulyovo showed that one match is enough for a large fire. People are not going to understand the details - who did what he did and why ... This is a big and serious problem.

However, I think that in any other country, even a crime on a purely domestic basis between people of different nationality, faith or culture is perceived more acutely than similar crimes between members of the same ethnic group. Just the way the world works. Change is almost impossible, but we must always keep in mind and take into account.

- As a presidential candidate in the last election, Vladimir Putin 23 January last year published a programmatic article on the national question in our country. Where he said that he considers the Russian people to be state-forming according to the fact of the existence of Russia, and the great mission of the Russians is to unite and fasten our civilization. Do Russians feel this status, use it to really fasten our country?

- There are several aspects here. It is good that Vladimir Putin said this. After all, fifteen years ago, any person who even began to stutter about this was immediately recorded in the fascists and put this stigma on his forehead. I am talking about this, including from my own experience. Even the most timid attempts to write on these topics encountered in the conditionally intellectual environment absurd accusations and resistance. It is joyful that there are advances in this matter. Now, at least, it has become possible to calmly and seriously analyze these issues.

Russian really are state-forming people. One may argue with this as much as you want, but this is the same thing as trying to deny the law of the world. The Russians were at the origins of our state, the Russians created it in the form in which we know it. And the Russians remain the backbone of the population. Without the Russian Russia will not. Honestly, I don’t believe that many ethnic minorities in the event of the disappearance of Russians will be able to save Russia as a geopolitical phenomenon. Not to mention the civilization aspect. By the way, that is why various “well-wishers” from the outside have always encouraged and encouraged various kinds of ethnic separatism and other similar ideas. They know exactly what they are doing.

Now - as for the Russians themselves. Unfortunately, the Russians themselves do not fully feel the state-forming people today. First of all, this is a consequence of the policy of the authorities in the nineties, which focused on "unlimited swallowing of sovereignty." All sorts of liberal pseudo-thinkers have rushed to the newspapers, microphones and television, who told all of us that Russians are a worthless, meaningless and unsuccessful people. That, in fact, both the Soviet Union and Russia are a prison of nations, by the way, a Bolshevik term. That the Russians are to blame in front of the whole world for the fact that everyone was universally oppressed and occupied ...

There were two results of this propaganda campaign: it raised the importance of national suburbs and caused depression among the Russians themselves.

Now - about the economy. In fact, it played a very large role in the growth of inter-ethnic tensions. This is said little, but it is. The fact is that both in the Soviet Union and in Russia, Russians constituted the elite of society. For the reason that the government implemented a course for industrial and scientific-industrial development of the country. Russians, and all Slavs, also Belarusians and Ukrainians, in fact, belonged to the elite. They were the most qualified engineers, workers, officers, teachers, doctors - everyone can easily continue the list. There was no racism in this, just the way things were. Therefore, they felt like a nation responsible for the country. The collapse of the economy, the worst crisis of the nineties led to the fact that those groups that were engaged in trade and resale and those related to the criminal business rose to the top. On the other hand, the economy itself, in which the Russians occupied commanding heights, collapsed, it simply did not become.

As a result, we got this: people became the elite of society - I will say this, I am sure, they will understand - with gold fixes. Overnight, they became the most respected and, moreover, the most influential members of society. And those who worked in factories and mills, those who were called technical intelligentsia, the country's elite, were out of work, and no one needed them. Many of them just became beggars. Here it is, another result of the liberal-market transformation of the country.

And the last. The Russians themselves, like a sponge, began to absorb, in my opinion, the suicidal ideological porridge that it is indecent to be Russian, that we do not have any history that we could be proud of, that we should learn from others. Roughly speaking, we succumbed to the depression generated by external factors. The Russians turned out to be not very persistent - that’s the historical problem.

I see the reasons for its occurrence in the collapse of a large state, which was the expression of Russians in history. Well, Russia, I will say not very diplomatic, began to beat herself on the head and complain about her worthlessness. Exactly this self-flagellation gave rise to a massive depression. First of all - among the Russians.

I do not think that we should cherish some thoughtless chauvinism and swell like peacocks for any reason. But I am sure that this self-flagellation in the late 80 and in the 90 of the last century passed all reasonable limits and became self-destructive. It had nothing to do with an objective analysis of the past. Therefore, conclusions for the future from such a pseudo-analysis were obtained inadequate. But what to say - look at the leaders of public opinion from the nineties, and now they are still sounding the same mantra about Russia, like an evil empire, from which all the troubles in the world are.

“Even in the status of a candidate for the post of the head of state, talking to political scientists, Vladimir Putin, when he was offered to make a corresponding change regarding the introduction of the status of Russians to the Constitution, answered with the question:“ But does this proposal benefit the Russian people? ”. That is, we are dealing with de facto, but do not strive to recognize it de jure. Do not recognize now or never?

“Vladimir Putin’s motives are understandable; he believes that this could undermine a certain ethnic balance and create discontent.” Personally, I do not see anything criminal and dangerous in the legislative consolidation of such a status of Russians. One could also make an appropriate amendment to the Basic Law - despite the fact that I understand the sources of the extremely cautious attitude of the authorities to this issue. I think nothing terrible would have happened, I quite often have to go on business trips to our national subjects of the federation, and I see that there are radicals there. But after all, I also meet with those who frankly yearn to strengthen the role of the Russians in our country. Why? Because the Russians used to play the role of arbitrator, the controlling center, and now in many republics the situation is almost the absolute power of the local clans. They themselves local, who previously could complain to Moscow or call the Russian regional committee secretary, moan. Nowhere to turn, chaos, that's all. The weakness of the Russian people is in fact a problem for the national suburbs. Those who are smarter on the ground understand this.

I think there would be no harm in the appearance of such a status of Russians in the Constitution. On the other hand, it must be admitted: yes, and of particular benefit too. Well, the Constitution, well, written in it - what's next?

- That is, all the bills on this topic, which were developed at the time by the deputies, I’m not even talking about the countless initiatives of various public organizations and political forces, as an idea, are not bad, but they should not be implemented?

- The idea is good, but I think it makes no sense to break spears about bringing all this into the Constitution. It is better to do real things: to restore the economy, where Russians will make sensible decisions, strengthen the army, where Russians will inevitably play a dominant role, limit the arrogance of ethnic organized criminal groups, destroy their corrupt ties with the local authorities. In general, real business is more important than declarations. Although, perhaps, by fixing this status in the Basic Law, it would be possible to cool the fervor of some very radical nationalists. And then I doubt it.

- According to the criteria of the United Nations, a state is considered mono-national, provided that more than two thirds of its population belong to the same ethnic group. Despite the decline in the share of Russians in the total population of Russia to 77,8 percent in 2010, all the same - so far more than two-thirds. But we call ourselves a multinational state. In December 2010 of the year, at a meeting of the State Council, then President Dmitry Medvedev declared that "the idea of ​​the Russian nation is absolutely productive, and it should not be shy." I do not know what people say with whom you communicate, but for many of my friends the word “Russian” causes a categorical rejection. In relatively recent times, we were Soviet citizens - and we were not ashamed of our nationality indicated in the passport. Why today not everyone wants to respond to the "dear Russian"? Maybe they remember that this phrase was introduced into circulation by the head of state, in which the country had already begun to fall apart?

- As for multinationality, this is, again, the Soviet legacy. One of the tenets of the Soviet model was: “We are a multinational state, a family of equal nations.” And Russia, as the successor of the USSR, has adopted all this rhetoric. Against the background of the Caucasian wars and inter-ethnic conflicts, everyone is afraid to say that this is not so.

As for the "Russian". Honestly, I don’t really understand the formula according to which we should forget about our nationality and call ourselves all Russians “Russians.” In reality, it does not work, there is citizenship and nationality. We are being instructed: “Why do you say that you are Russian? Why do you say you are a Chechen? We are Russians! ”

Sure. Only here the Russian is a citizen of Russia. This is a political nation, but this does not negate ethnicity. Try to convince the Chechen that he refused to call himself a Chechen! Or representative of any other nation. It is impossible to cancel a nationality, it exists de facto, its roots go back into deep history. And no matter how much dancing with the attempts of all to bring to a common denominator in the form of “dear Russian”, ethnic and cultural historical self-consciousness will always remain with a person. Well, say, for example, the Tatars, that they are no longer Tatars ...

- With horror, I imagine a response ...

- It will cause a lot of problems. I believe that the concepts of “Russian” and “Russian” do not oppose and do not contradict each other. I am Russian because I am a citizen of Russia. But at the same time, I am Russian, and for me it is extremely important. I do not intend to refuse it, and I see no reasonable reason to do this.

All of us are Russians at the same time, but at the same time we have our own nationality, history and traditions. I see no point in setting the task of making Russians out of Russians who have neither a clan nor a tribe. Occupation is extremely counterproductive, leading to the creation of ethnic tension. In part, these problems rest on the abolition of the “Nationality” column in the passport.

After the column "Nationality" was removed, and began a whistle dance on the theme "We are all citizens of the world." In the best case - the Russians, but in general, let's not say that either ...

The tendency to forgetting one’s own roots is destructive and self-destructive. I do not see any extremism in what you say to me: “I am Russian!”. It would be quite possible for the count to be returned to the passport, but to fill it out at the request of the Russian, on a voluntary basis. I want to write to me: "Russian".

- I also want to.

- No, it is not necessary to force anyone. There is no desire - so let it not write. This is a human right, maybe he wants to consider himself a Martian, I don’t care. Yes, let him leave this box empty at all - but I have a desire to make such an entry in my personal passport. At the same time, of course, this record should not legally provide any advantages or, on the contrary, in any way infringe upon, as in the Soviet Union, nevertheless, such a problem was present for some. Let's not lie to each other either.

- I will cite the opinion of the American political scientist Paul Goble: “Now in Russia there is a visible weakening of the positions of ethnic Russians against the background of strengthening the positions of non-Russians. This is an objective process, due to many factors, including low birth rate among Russians and high birth rates among non-Russians, migration from the countries of Central Asia and the South Caucasus in the complex leading to a sharp drop in the percentage of ethnic Russians in the total population of Russia. ” West, this process pleases?

- Sure. For many centuries in the West, Russians saw an alternative way of life and an alternative center of influence. By the way, Westerners are well aware that the Russians are the state-forming nation of Russia, and this was the key to historical successes and achievements of our country in the past.

I am glad of their reduction in the Russian population, because this process complicates the inter-ethnic situation in the country. Intensity in this area weakens any state, so the weaker Russia becomes, the more enthusiasm will be in the West and not only two opinions cannot be.

The bitter truth is that the birth rate among Russians is lower than that of Russian citizens of other nationalities. Personally, with all my ethnic patriotism, I am opposed to presenting the case in this way: “We are poor Russians, because there are only enemies around us, we are doing everything to survive, and they are strangling us.” Unfortunately, this is not true. Russians are getting weaker, first of all - spiritually, which is also manifested in their way of life. If Russian families choose childlessness or give birth to one child, we simply will not be - from the point of view of mathematics. There will be no need to destroy ideology, the CIA can rest, no one will pursue a policy of genocide against Russia. Russians will live solely for their own pleasure - they will disappear after a while.

At the same time, inter-ethnic unity, of course, is necessary for Russia. I do not believe in the "friendship of nations", but I believe in their equal coexistence within the borders of our country. And also in the fact that we really can have common goals that unite us both within the country and in the outside world. This is possible, and the realization of the simplest principle of the equality of all before the law would be one of the guarantees of the unity of our state.

If so, we will greatly reduce the level of inter-ethnic tensions. Indeed, in reality in the nineties, on the basis of ethnic organized criminal groups, quite aggressive diasporas were created. They entered into a collusion with the authorities - most often, by the way, Russians - and formed their own way of life, where the laws do not work and the laws are unwritten. Repeatedly, they avoided responsibility, created an unhealthy environment in their places of residence - because they imposed corrupt rules, among which the main thing is: “If you have money, you are allowed to do anything.”

This is what stirs up ethnic tensions much more than the absence of some article of the Constitution. People will understand that before the law we, regardless of nationality and money, are all equal - we will be able to reduce ethnic tensions and unite the nation.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 7 November 2013 08: 59
    +6
    ".. People are taught that the main thing in their life is personal well-being. Therefore, someone is no longer interested in such issues as the unity of the nation or its absence ..."

    Let me change it a little, people are imposing the ideology of the "Golden Calf" so that everyone would worship him. Of course, taking care of the family is the main thing, but in my opinion, this should not run counter to patriotism, since these are different parallel directions.
    1. APES
      APES 7 November 2013 09: 29
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      The Russians are weakening, first of all - spiritually, which is also manifested in their way of life. If Russian families choose childlessness or give birth to one child each, we simply will not be - from the point of view of mathematics.


      In the contact, I counted my friends, counted the children of my friends, got the number on 3 of my friends accounted for 1 child - the average age of friends 30 years.

      No comments.........
      1. avg
        avg 7 November 2013 14: 57
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        Quote: APES
        3 of my friends have 1 child - the average age of friends is 30 years old.

        Until the father earns enough so that the mother can deal with children, at least until 5 years old, it will be so.
        It is necessary to help young families in another way. Now, business with kindergartens has gradually moved forward, but the concept of a section, circles in courtyards and at schools has completely disappeared. But for the revival of this Soviet experience, it’s not god knows what means will be required, which you can take quite well from the same National Welfare Fund.
        This is so, “offhand,” and if you think a little bit, there are a lot of opportunities to help parents raise and raise children. It is only necessary to do this first of all, and not on the residual principle.
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 7 November 2013 09: 36
      +9
      In general, in the constitution, the Russian people should receive a state-forming status.
      1. INTER
        INTER 7 November 2013 10: 16
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        Quote: Deniska999
        In general, in the constitution, the Russian people should receive a state-forming status.

        The Russian people, and not only the Russian, should first of all receive protection from alcohol, drug addicts and smoking, and secondly, to protect them from the moral decay and destruction of the institution of the family. yes
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 7 November 2013 10: 54
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          Quote: INTER
          first of all, it should receive protection from alcohol, drug addicts and smoking, and secondly, it should be protected from moral decay and destruction of the institution of the family.

          Of course, I wildly apologize, but explain to me, ignorant, how the state should do this if people themselves do not want you to list it? And yes, let’s say I can understand this in relation to adults standing on their own feet. But what about the youngsters who know everything, can do everything, and their parents are still wiping their ass. What to do with youngsters?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 November 2013 11: 48
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            Quote: Hedgehog
            Of course, I wildly apologize, but explain to me, ignorant, how the state should do this if people themselves do not want you to list it?

            We have the cheapest tobacco and alcohol, and walking distance even to children. Laws banning the sale of children do not work, penalties are penny. What should the state do? Excises not on gasoline need to be raised.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 7 November 2013 12: 25
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Excises not on gasoline need to be raised.

              But what, cheap tobacco, alcohol on their own, on foot come to outlets?
              At one time, with his children, large enough to realize and understand, he said: Tomorrow, in the morning, I do not smoke! And for more than 25 years this example has been valid; today it is already affecting grandchildren too. Something similar concerns alcohol. Here is a specific action! And you are nonsense. The idle talk is called.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 7 November 2013 13: 48
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                declared: Tomorrow, in the morning, I do not smoke! And for over 25 years this example has been valid.

                If so, then I can only be sincerely happy for your family, but unfortunately there are not many people with similar logic and willpower.
                It is clear that licenses for tobacco and alcohol are issued left and right, and then revoking these licenses is more expensive for yourself. But here we are talking not only about the amount of alcohol, but also about its quality. Tobacco is similar. What do youngsters drink now? - jaguar, shake, roar, powder beer and other shit. This is poison !!! at least start with an alternative: ban the import of this rubbish and compensate for quality alcohol, but the price will naturally be higher.
                And Gena Onishchenko all snapped for cheese and sausage. you didn’t look at the gene there. No wonder he was removed from his post and put on closer to political games, because his department and played purely watered. role.
                Frankly, I do not watch TV. You sit down to watch boxing, and between each round (3 minutes) there is an advertisement of vodka or beer. Well this is utter nonsense. This is how to advertise refueling a car with a burning torch in hand !!! It’s clear that by banning this advertisement, removing banners and big boards the size of Khrushchev’s booze and cigarettes, power will fall on the tail of tycoons and oligarchs who have billions and drink from this (if they drink, only wines from the 60-70s from France, but Is it really health, demography, and as a result, our Drzhava is not worth it ??????? For me this is a rhetorical question, but unfortunately many will think about it !!!
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 7 November 2013 14: 25
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                  Quote: silver_roman
                  unfortunately there are not many people with similar logic and willpower.

                  This is bad. All our problems are inside us.
              2. INTER
                INTER 7 November 2013 14: 05
                +1
                Quote: Hedgehog
                But what, cheap tobacco, alcohol on their own, on foot come to outlets?
                At one time, with his children, large enough to realize and understand, he said: Tomorrow, in the morning, I do not smoke! And for more than 25 years this example has been valid; today it is already affecting grandchildren too. Something similar concerns alcohol. Here is a specific action! And you are nonsense. The idle talk is called.

                What prompted you to do this?
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 7 November 2013 14: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: INTER
                  What prompted you to do this?

                  Well, briefly. One child is about to get the CCM on volleyball, and the assistant coach smokes and drinks. The child needed to be treated! lol
              3. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 7 November 2013 14: 43
                +1
                Quote: Hedgehog
                And for more than 25 years this example has been valid; today it is already affecting grandchildren too.

                You want to say that your children and grandchildren are protected from the influence of the street and company? Or do not you let them go? If your children are guided by your example, honor and praise be to you. But most children receive this part of their upbringing on the street. Remember where you smoked the first cigarette? Obviously not at home.
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Something similar concerns alcohol. Here is a specific action! And you are nonsense. The idle talk is called.

                Walking down the street do you make a comment to teenagers smoking and drinking beer, or reassuring yourself with the thought that these are not mine, move on? This is a specific action. Or specific idle talk. Have you ever wondered where they buy it all, who sells it to them and why? Indifference of people to other people's problems, and inaction of the state to educate young people, that is the problem. And I am afraid of conscious and thoughtful.
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 7 November 2013 15: 02
                  -3
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Indifference of people to other people's problems, and inaction of the state to educate young people, that is the problem.

                  The state does not owe ANYTHING to any of us. Remember this. And I should not be involved in raising the children of your parents or yours. This is your own business. And you must do this yourself. And throw off their problems on everyone around, it's so shovel. Nursery, kindergarten, school, but not me. My business is not to give birth, put it, took it out and run. wassat
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 7 November 2013 15: 14
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                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    The state owes none of us ANYTHING


                    1 In this case, the very meaning of the existence of the state disappears.

                    2 MUST.
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak 7 November 2013 15: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      2 MUST.

                      Under one small condition. First, we all SHOULD the state and only after that it is to us. By the way, to educate our children, and we are talking about this, it is not obliged. Everything else seems to be fulfilled by them.
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 7 November 2013 19: 53
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                        Quote: Hedgehog
                        Under one small condition

                        Read the Constitution - everything is written there, as a result of which there is no need to invent who owes what to whom.
                2. INTER
                  INTER 7 November 2013 15: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Walking down the street do you make a comment to teenagers smoking and drinking beer, or reassuring yourself with the thought that these are not mine, move on? This is a specific action. Or specific idle talk. Have you ever wondered where they buy it all, who sells it to them and why? Indifference of people to other people's problems, and inaction of the state to educate young people, that is the problem. And I am afraid of conscious and thoughtful.

                  Here I am about the same thing, street culture, school, the media on the Internet, concepts form the young generation in our century. I don’t smoke or drink, and I never did, why, because I knew that I would get on the neck and not only from relatives, but also from neighbors (men), and from adult boys, public education. Yes, and today this practice is present in my life, but by the time it’s overgrown, I’ll see I make a remark, I’ll see another lady on the neck, and not just mine. None of my nephews and brothers smoke or drink the effect, and I haven’t seen the neighbors with this infection. And I agree to start, it is necessary with yourself!
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 7 November 2013 14: 45
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              We have the cheapest tobacco and alcohol

              Compare as a percentage of the minimum wage and the average salary.
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 7 November 2013 12: 33
            +2
            I was taught this way - you are Russian. This means - you are the protector of your family and your homeland. From here follow your responsibilities, which you cannot neglect, wherever you are, no matter how much you live and whatever you do. What are these responsibilities?
            Get ready for work and defense! That is - the possession of weapons, mastery of its various types and support skills. Maintaining the body in a form sufficient to protect the Fatherland. This moment, the moment of defending the Motherland can come in the form of a war, suddenly for you and at any moment. Or you will need this protection in peacetime - protecting people from a thief, a bandit, a bully, help in repelling natural disasters, accidents, etc.
            The so-called "healthy lifestyle" ... highly recommend the forums of doctors, especially emergency doctors. There you will learn the opinion of doctors about healthy lifestyles ... If you exclude those from whom doctors just cry, this activity is a variant of self-satisfaction, since there is no reason to do this. In fact, if you do not have either truly serious knowledge of the issue, or a lot of money, healthy lifestyle attempts can only be truly successful for people prone to various manifestations of BDSM. Or you see yourself as a warrior of your homeland, thus performing your duty to her. Then - it will turn out ...
            On the role of the state. No, the state cannot put up a truly effective barrier against "bad habits", it is impossible in principle. But it can act differently ... My state does not believe me. Nothing. It doesn't trust me anything. It seems that everything that the state does with respect to its citizen pursues exclusively one goal - to convince me that it is not my state! The state prohibits, catches, persecutes and punishes all manifestations in its citizens, which I have listed in the form of "TRP". Well, you know everything yourself! The state has been privatized and the population under guardianship does not dare! Doesn't fit! Not trying! Well yes. But why should I then be among the "country-forming nation"? What kind of country is she? No guys, let's try to keep the country with "specially trained people". And I cannot help you. Nothing. Never. You forbade me! So whether I drink or not is none of your business ...
          3. INTER
            INTER 7 November 2013 13: 58
            +2
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Of course, I wildly apologize, but explain to me, ignorant, how the state should do this if people themselves do not want you to list it? And yes, let’s say I can understand this in relation to adults standing on their own feet. But what about the youngsters who know everything, can do everything, and their parents are still wiping their ass. What to do with youngsters?

            Accessibility generates interest and demand in the long run.
            The formation and inoculation of ideas for a healthy lifestyle through normal transfers, rather than Houses-2-3-4. I wouldn’t like to, but I’ll answer the question with the question, how in the USSR did it?
            Regarding youngsters, they say: "What you sow, you reap!" There are many places in the state where there are no sports facilities, and then what should the youth do?
            Another question, open the Internet and find a way to make drugs from medicines + ways to get kai .... something, be surprised))) Can the state protect us, i.e. children from this? Can a state in the territory of, say, a city or a country, force to build a store or some alcohol and forbid everyone to sell in the city, protecting children from walking distance? Yes, in any place or in many places the same youngsters sell (or buy them) alcohol and cigarettes and do not punish those who.

            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 7 November 2013 15: 13
              0
              Quote: INTER
              There are a lot of places in the state where there are no sports facilities, and what then do young people do?

              There are many places in Russia where there are many sports facilities and there, too, youngsters in the mass smoke and "ferment"!
              Have you ever tried to fight media moguls and their miscarriages, Only your personal examples can affect your own children. Or media tycoons with their vulgarity on TV. Do not expect favors from nature. Take them is our task. In bent! lol
            2. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 7 November 2013 15: 18
              +1
              Quote: INTER
              as in the USSR did it?

              PS forgot. And in the USSR, cops drove us away, knives were taken away, protocols were drawn up, we received cops from the cops, and even from the liver and kidneys. For all this, the modern parent will open such diarrhea, save who can. Everything around and around will spoil.
      2. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 7 November 2013 10: 49
        +2
        Guys, explain to me what it will mean if the Russians are constitutionally approved by the state-forming people? What will this give the Russians? What will this give the other peoples of Russia? In general, what will change?
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 7 November 2013 10: 58
          +6
          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          In general, what will change?

          Nothing will change. As Russia was a multinational country, so it will remain.
          Russia cannot exist without the Altai people, without the Dagestanis, and oh, how many, without the Chukchi and many, many other nations. Including Tatars, Bashkirs, etc.
        2. Tartary
          Tartary 7 November 2013 11: 25
          10
          Nothing will likely change, but it will be fair ...

          Here you have a small homeland - Dagestan ... And I have Russian ?? Russia? Those. and Dagestan too? But your customs and laws are there ... And where are mine?
          That is, my homeland is everywhere and nowhere ... Only the place where it is registered ...

          You can, if you want to come and settle down to live next to me, I-Russian is not very indignant, but I, simply, hardly want to go to your side to live because the Russians have been squeezed out of there for more than 20 years. .. Often, as stated in the article forcibly, at the level of repression and genocide ...

          We do not avenge the proud highlanders for many, in our opinion, the misconduct of the smaller brothers. We just want to remain adequate, and live happily ever after, and all sorts of self-assertive personalities, let them assert themselves in the mountains and plains - where they were born and raised.
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 7 November 2013 12: 07
            +2
            Quote: Tartary
            my Motherland is everywhere and nowhere ... Only the place where it is registered ...

            - a mess. I agree.
            Quote: Tartary
            We do not avenge the proud highlanders for many, in our opinion, the misconduct of the smaller brothers.

            - and we, do not take revenge, on our older brothers, for the fact that they, for their imperial purposes, have captured us, and are trying to reformat in our own way. Never, and nobody, liked when they try to reformat them. In terms of mentality, we are a little used to you, and we don’t want to change our way.
            Quote: Tartary
            We just want to remain adequate, and live happily ever after

            - actually ... we are for ...
            Quote: Tartary
            and all sorts of self-asserting personalities, let them assert themselves in their mountains

            - "personalities" have no place anywhere.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 7 November 2013 12: 41
              +2
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              captured us, and try to reformat in their own way

              In August 1866, in the front hall of the Kaluga provincial noble assembly, Shamil, along with his sons Gazi-Magomed and Magomed-Shapi, took the oath of allegiance to Russia

              But Shamil could continue to show his pride and not swear, but swore. From here draw conclusions. Everything else is done only of your own free will.
              The inhabitants of Dagestan have two ways. To sit in villages and develop there. Or travel around Russia.
              By the way, many years ago, one Lezgin told me that someday Lezgistan would be formed. Let's say. So what? The rest of the peoples of Dagestan will go to war on those who want to separate Lezgi?
              1. Tartary
                Tartary 7 November 2013 13: 37
                +2
                Quote: Hedgehog
                But Shamil could continue to show his pride and not swear, but swore. From here draw conclusions. Everything else is done only of your own free will.

                Shamil was stunned by the vastness of Russia and said that if he knew that Russia was so big (!), He would not have fought ...

                From here, draw conclusions ... What else does this not know or do not understand the current heads of teips and clans ??))
              2. DAGESTAN333
                DAGESTAN333 7 November 2013 13: 38
                +2
                Quote: Hedgehog
                done only of your own free will

                - Well, actually, we believe that Russia won us by the will of Allah. And to argue with Allah, we are not used to it. We definitely know our mission in the universe, everyone has their own, it makes no sense to resist it.
                Quote: Hedgehog
                But Shamil could continue to show his pride and not swear, but swore
                - from an opponent superior to you, you will fail unambiguously. Shamil was prompted by the realization that the Russians were determined to spend much more resources on achieving their goals than those resources that Shamil had on achieving their goals. It was possible to go to the end, to the last inhabitant of the mountains, in the end, this is not so important, but the Russians showed honor, and those who have the honor can also surrender weapons. In addition, there was a chance for the existence of our people.
                Our philosophy is this: If Allah decided to increase the number of Russians, up to 100 million, without which the Russians would not have conquered us, then it must be so.
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 7 November 2013 14: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  And to argue with Allah, we are not used to it.

                  But is someone actively trying to argue or are they not Muslims?
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  Shamil was prompted by the realization that the Russians were determined to spend much more resources on achieving their goal,

                  And yet, Shamil was smart! Very smart. And he knew well that such a goal as the destruction of the Caucasian tribes did not stand before the Russian army.
                  But many pseudo-martyrs today have just such a task. It is they who destroy their people. Slowly but surely. The reason to the limit is simple. They only impersonate Muslims, not being such.
                  1. DAGESTAN333
                    DAGESTAN333 7 November 2013 18: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    But is someone actively trying to argue or are they not Muslims?

                    - Among them, there are Muslims who do not know that they are against Allah.

                    - There are humanoids who know for sure that they are against not only Russia, but also humanity.

                    - There are ordinary people who are somewhat disappointed in Russia and the idea of ​​an alliance, for various reasons.
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak 7 November 2013 20: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                      - There are ordinary people who are somewhat disappointed in Russia and the idea of ​​an alliance, for various reasons.

                      You know. Magomed, I don't believe this. While the storm was in Chechnya, in Makhachkala and around it was quiet. As soon as they decided to put things in order in Chechnya, all the "disaffected" by chance disappeared from Chechnya, and cut around them. And how the Chechens returned in the late 80s and what they did, I also remember very well. This is not the whole point, but the usual revanchism. And the culprit were not those who evicted, but those who simply lived in this place. This is not Muslim. More like a fascist.
                      Okay, that’s all. Happily.
            2. Tartary
              Tartary 7 November 2013 13: 42
              0
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              - and we, do not take revenge, on our older brothers, for the fact that they, for their imperial purposes, have captured us, and are trying to reformat in our own way. Never, and nobody, liked when they try to reformat them. In terms of mentality, we are a little used to you, and we don’t want to change our way.

              "If a tram runs over you, you first scream ... Once it crushes, twice it crushes, and then you get used to it ... " and the campaign is not a bit.))
              Would it really be better if your people and other peoples of the Caucasus reformatted the Turks, eh ??
              Or is it like in the USSR, and now, will it be better?))
              1. DAGESTAN333
                DAGESTAN333 7 November 2013 13: 57
                +3
                Russians, the best option, of course. But then, we wanted, as it were, to live alone ...
                The current go-but, I ask the USSR, do not compare ...)))
                1. Tartary
                  Tartary 7 November 2013 14: 09
                  +3
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  The current go-but, I ask the USSR, do not compare ...)))

                  I agree that now it’s clearly not the USSR yet ... And yet, this is yes-ah-aleko not the worst option for the Caucasus ...
                  Do not believe? Ask the Armenians, Georgians ... Yes, and I’m sure that the Dagestan peoples also got in due time ...
                  1. INTER
                    INTER 7 November 2013 14: 57
                    +1
                    On the account of squeezing Russians out of Dagestan for 20 years now, I would not say that in Dagestan many high-ranking posts are occupied by Russians, and many are leaving, as you said, because "The fish is deeper, the person is better!" I can ask a question, why the indigenous population, mainly young people, leave, many villages live without young people, and therefore Russians leave, salaries are small, it is difficult to live.
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      3. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 7 November 2013 14: 53
        +2
        Quote: Deniska999
        In general, in the constitution, the Russian people should receive a state-forming status.

        What will it change?

        If they spit on the Constitution now, what will change after the next norm is enshrined in it?
  2. Alikovo
    Alikovo 7 November 2013 09: 00
    +7
    pure truth. Russian-the basis of the Russian state.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 7 November 2013 09: 02
      +6
      Quote: Alikovo
      pure truth. Russian-the basis of the Russian state.

      Only our leadership stubbornly refuses to understand this. Russia is a state that was created by the Russian people, and not some kind of "multinational" mass. There will be no Russians, there will be no Russia either.
      1. user
        user 7 November 2013 09: 51
        +2
        ".. People are taught that the main thing in their life is personal well-being. Therefore, someone is no longer interested in such issues as the unity of the nation or its absence ..."

        That's interesting, Russia is the largest supplier of gas, all the national outskirts of the USSR and Russia are gasified in large volumes (I won’t list the numbers; they are different everywhere). Here are the problems with gas with Ukraine or Armenia, the gasification of the North Caucasus is generally a song, while the gasification of Novosibirsk (mainly Russians) started 10 years or even less ago and because they want to drive gas to China (as the business says nothing personal), in the Krasnoyarsk Territory gas (meaning natural gas pipe) is absent as a class the very situation in the Irkutsk region, Transbaikalia and further to the East. And this is in areas with abnormal climatic conditions (I’m not even talking about Yakutia), heating in houses starts from mid-October to mid-May. Nevertheless, the Russian authorities do not obscure such issues, created normal conditions for living in Moscow, well, maybe even in St. Petersburg, after which all the sane people rushed there as the promised land, after which the most important issue in the country suddenly became the issue of illegal migration ( and not only foreign citizens).
        The younger generation sees all this, plus we now have an information revolution and freedom of movement around the world (the Iron Curtain has collapsed), and wants to live no worse than in Moscow or in some kind of Spain.
        Moreover, for the older generation, the unity of the country is sacred, the young ones treat it differently (Stop feeding the Caucasus !, Russia for Russians). Even if this appeal was not born in Russia, then another would have been born, but the meaning would not have changed much.

        Question: Under the circumstances, the Russian question could not help but appear, the whole question of how it will end is good if they quietly let go of the brakes and stop flirting with the national elites (not only in the Caucasus, but also in Yakutia, Buryatia, Tyva in Gorny Altai. long), by the way, the Olympics will be held soon and who prevents to restore order in the Caucasus.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 7 November 2013 14: 58
          +1
          Quote: user
          That's interesting
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 7 November 2013 09: 35
      +4
      So, therefore, they, Russians, from the former USSR countries, are not given the "green" light for Russian citizenship, so as not to increase the percentage of the ratio to nations in the composition of the population of Russia in favor of RUSSIANS. The government is doing everything for this, even the law on toughening the gASters has not passed ...
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 7 November 2013 09: 21
    +7
    These processes inevitably generated a response wave: the growth of Russian nationalism, radicalism and everything connected with them.

    Yes it is - it’s like a spring is compressed and at one point it goes in the opposite direction.
    In addition, the Russian population felt a danger to their existence emanating from the national policy of the state - if everything is left as it is, then the Russians will eventually be driven into Murmansk swamps and they will be in the position of the modern US Indians.
    You can’t put up with this.
  4. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 7 November 2013 09: 23
    +5
    A balanced and sober assessment of the situation, about the article.
    Quote: makarov
    I will change a few, people are imposed on the ideology of the "Golden Calf", so that everyone would worship him

    In my opinion, this generally translates into more jelly, or even eat your neighbor. That's why
    one of the guarantees of the unity of our state would be the implementation of the simple principle of the equality of all before the law.
  5. mak210
    mak210 7 November 2013 09: 30
    10
    A time bomb was laid long ago: national republics instead of provinces. The latter were formed by population, and not by their nationality. The second is the right of nations to self-determination, which has led and continues to lead to terrorism and civil wars. It is high time to abolish these artificial formations when, for example, microscopic Adygea with a population of less than 0,5 million people has the same rights as Moscow with 12 million. How is it? Is this not ethnic discrimination?

    Even the alcoholic Sidorov does not drink November 4. Because he doesn’t know why ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 November 2013 10: 17
      +3
      Quote: mak210
      Even the alcoholic Sidorov does not drink November 4. Because he doesn’t know why ...

      All these artificial holidays of "unity" are created only to make people forget Great October Socialist Revolution!Forgot the USSR!
      And about citizenship for Russians from the newly formed "states" - the truth is. My family (me personally) repeatedly went to the Russian embassy, ​​but the first question was "Do you have someone there? Can they help you?" Those. all these announced relocation assistance programs are bluffs.
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 7 November 2013 11: 12
        +3
        As for national unity, so let's face the facts: it, in fact, does not exist. The unity of whom? And before whom? The unity of power and people? Or oligarchs and workers? In the anus is such a unity! So that...
        Happy Great October Socialist Revolution! drinks
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 7 November 2013 15: 01
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: mak210
        Even the alcoholic Sidorov does not drink November 4. Because he doesn’t know why ...

        All these artificial holidays of "unity" are created only to make people forget Great October Socialist Revolution!Forgot the USSR!
  6. avt
    avt 7 November 2013 10: 19
    +3
    Quote: mak210
    A time bomb was laid long ago: national republics instead of provinces. The latter were formed by population, and not by their nationality. The second is the right of nations to self-determination, which has led and continues to lead to terrorism and civil wars.

    Yes, but it came to naught by the harsh reaction of the system to deviation from ideological norms, up to the eviction of peoples. In the absence of an ideology and a centralized authority acting on the basis of state ideology, even administrative division in the province will not save. And the desire for enrichment is not an ideology, only organized crime groups win here, and ethnic ones respond to the situation faster, including the national question. By the way, the vacuum of ideas is instantly filled by various religious sects, and exclusively radical and totalitarian, including Islamic ones.
  7. Opera
    Opera 7 November 2013 10: 45
    +5
    I do not agree in the article with only one thing, that the Russians were not persistent. Persistence is precisely the main feature of the Russian people. If this were not so, then after all the experience, there would be nothing to discuss now! At present, an entire generation has grown up completely free from fairy tales about the world revolution, all-consuming internationalism and, fortunately, from dear Russian! These guys feel that they are Russian and know that they are at home! They cannot be driven into Murmansk swamps! But in order that they themselves would not drive someone else far away, the authorities will not have to talk, but make specific decisions. Well said at the Russian Cathedral, the Patriarch and Ivanov seem to be too. We are waiting for solutions.
  8. major071
    major071 7 November 2013 11: 02
    +8
    We live in Russia, and not in any Honduras. Therefore, Russians (and not Hondurans) should and must be recognized as the titular nation. Of course, at the same time, I do not urge rotting other peoples living on the territory of Russia.
    Or maybe our government is not Russian, if it does not pay attention to its people?
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 7 November 2013 11: 19
      +2
      Until the liberals are done with, the title nation will be the Hondurans.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 November 2013 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        the title nation will be the Hondurans.

        And badly pronouncing the letter R. laughing
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 7 November 2013 15: 03
      +2
      Quote: major071
      We live in Russia, and not in any Honduras
  9. sumcream56
    sumcream56 7 November 2013 11: 25
    -4
    Lord comrades! Or maybe it's time to divide the Russians into principalities, regions, etc. After all, the worse is the Novgorod Republic or the Tver Principality of the Kazan Khanate. And Russians are an abstraction like a Russian or a Soviet person. You have to go back to the roots. It is necessary to educate small-town patriotism. A man will cling to the Earth of his ancestors with his teeth, knowing that he is a help. Cossack, Vyatka. Vladimir, Pskov man will be Russia. It was not in vain that under the tsar-priest the army was manned according to the territorial principle: Vladimir, Tiflis, Pskov regiments. That would be in the charter, for example, of the Kostroma region and write down that this is the ancestral territory of the Kostroma region, part of the Russian people. And imagine - in Russia there are 27 subjects of national formations, including such an original as the Jewish Autonomous Region. But 62 territories and regions, with a predominantly Russian-speaking population. And who then who will overcome?
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 7 November 2013 11: 43
      +3
      Liberal ..... clever Liberal. On the fly I grabbed what people wanted and wrote, only a small clarification that they would not immediately catch. Divide and become stronger, prove everything to everyone ..... just divide.
      Horseradish (horseradish is such a plant, info for moderators))) You and not the separation. Russia is a country created by the sweat and blood of Russians. We are a titular and state-forming nation. This is our land. And whoever wants to live here must live according to Our laws. With the exception of lands of small nationalities that make up Russia. They can pervert in their own historical lands as they want, under federal law. All point. Only this way and not otherwise. Whoever doesn’t like the passport has also handed over the hill.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 7 November 2013 14: 02
        0
        Liberal ..... clever Liberal

        Yeah, only got out on the site, but already a liberal angry
        Apparently the comrade does not take into account the years of feudal fragmentation ...
        but in general I do not even see the point of joining the topic of "such" a person. It is a pity to find fault with nothing, and so it would be the most banned !!!
    2. avt
      avt 7 November 2013 17: 11
      0
      Quote: sumcream56
      Or maybe it's time to divide the Russians into principalities, regions, etc.

      It seems from the current witnesses of the Unified State Examination, well, or the spill of education in the 90s. I can only advise you to look for the word about the death of the Russian land "here it is described what was already when Russia was torn into inheritance, exactly according to your thoughts, very colorfully described, though the legend on that the place where it was supposed to be told about how they got out of this, but in the textbooks of the present their own affairs were later written off to the Mongol Tatar.
  10. Migari
    Migari 7 November 2013 11: 29
    +4
    The new government set itself the goal of ousting the communist holiday from the minds of citizens. They didn’t succeed, Russia is not Moscow, the people remember their past and do not refuse it, and know it well on November 7, but ask what kind of holiday is on the 4th, only schoolchildren know and that’s not all.
  11. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 7 November 2013 12: 53
    0
    Russian really are state-forming people. One may argue with this as much as you want, but this is the same thing as trying to deny the law of the world. The Russians were at the origins of our state, the Russians created it in the form in which we know it. And the Russians remain the backbone of the population. Without the Russian Russia will not. Honestly, I don’t believe that many ethnic minorities in the event of the disappearance of Russians will be able to save Russia as a geopolitical phenomenon. Not to mention the civilization aspect. By the way, that is why various “well-wishers” from the outside have always encouraged and encouraged various kinds of ethnic separatism and other similar ideas. They know exactly what they are doing.

    Our last constitution was dictated by American advisers. And it is not in their interests to consider the Russian state-forming people. Liberators are still "pushing" us that otherwise the interethnic balance will be upset. And why was it not violated before, not to mention the USSR, but also under tsarist Russia. It is by belittling the role of Russians that our authorities themselves unwittingly create interethnic conflicts that destroy the unity of the people, about which they tirelessly "talk about" us. Having destroyed the core around which the state is going, the state itself will disappear.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 7 November 2013 15: 07
      +1
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      Our last constitution was dictated by American advisers

      What is the truth? belay

      And these advisers were oligophrenic, what did they write about?
  12. your1970
    your1970 7 November 2013 13: 41
    +2
    Quote: Warrawar
    Quote: Alikovo
    pure truth. Russian-the basis of the Russian state.

    Only our leadership stubbornly refuses to understand this. Russia is a state that was created by the Russian people, and not some kind of "multinational" mass. There will be no Russians, there will be no Russia either.

    Yes, any assaults on Russians will stop in 20 years after the Russians begin to give birth to 4 children. Before that, we’re sorry, we are just dumb and dying, we’ll die out and continue to die out with ever greater speed.
  13. Hort
    Hort 7 November 2013 14: 01
    +1
    we are mono-national multi-ethnic state, not multinational.
    And in the constitution respectively. changes and additions should nevertheless be made, incl. and that the Russians are a state-forming ethnos, which is the foundation of the state and, together with the other indigenous nationalities that inhabit the Motherland, constitute a single Russian people (not a nation, namely a people). Anything like that, in general.
  14. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 7 November 2013 14: 51
    0
    ... People are told that the main thing in their life is personal well-being ...

    What a subtle substitution of concepts - People are inspired - and this despite the fact that the cost of living for working 7633 TR, minimum wage in general 5205 TR (minus 13%), but only more or less complete nutrition for a month costs 10000 ...