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Vice Prime Minister Shuvalov joined the race to destroy Russian aviation

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At the disposal of the editorial board of "Argumenty nedeli" were documents confirming the old truth - when an official needs to show off his boss, he begins to frantically imitate violent activity. The effect of such "work" is often destructive. HERE IS THE LAST EXAMPLE. At the suggestion of the Medvedev government, a draft decree of the President of Russia "On the Federal State Unitary Enterprise" State Research Institute of Civil aviation"(State Research Institute of Civil Aviation).


A careful study of the documents suggests the only conclusion - if V. Putin signs the decree, then the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation will be destroyed, his pathetic likeness and the memory of its former greatness will remain. To try to understand the intricacies of the reorganization, the correspondent of "AN" went to Sheremetyevo to the Deputy Director General of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation and the head of the flight test center of the institute Ruben Tatevosovich ESAYANU.



It is possible that there are other, deep, and not “classical-bureaucratic” motives of the reformist intoxication.


In the ministerial sucks


The State Research Institute of Civil Aviation was founded on October 4, 1930. If you go to the airport along the "old" Sheremetyevskoe highway, then on the right, just before reaching the passenger terminals, there is a bus stop - "GosNII GA". All the years, including the difficult 90s, the institute, and in fact, a large enterprise, did not groan from lack of money, but worked. On the problem of aviation safety of flights, the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation conducted laboratory and flight studies of more than 3500 objects of failed aircraft. This FSUE, as it turned out, today practically does not need financing from the state budget. And they decided to reform this effective division of the Federal Air Transport Agency and transfer it under the wing of the Ministry of Transport with a change in status. Now this federal state unitary enterprise (FSUE) from the list of "strategic", threatens to turn, according to the plans of the reformers, into a federal budgetary institution (FBU). It seems that someone very well-placed eyes on the property of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation, for example Arkady Rotenberg, who has already declared his interests in Sheremetyevo. It is there that the institute owns areas and buildings - what is not a tidbit for the construction of another terminal for 40 million passengers a year? But these are only assumptions, but the facts indicate that the transfer from FSUE to FBU will become a headache for many thousands of people. And it poses a direct threat to the safety of civil aviation.


It is possible that the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation fell out of favor with the unsinkable superdzhetostroitelu and President of the United Aircraft Building Corporation M. Pogosyan. The institute knows and warned about the multitude of “jambs” of its offspring, but experts and managers invariably speak about the Tu-334 in excellent shape. Including Ruben Yesayan, he conducted his certification tests:


- We also flew at high-altitude airfields at temperatures up to 38 degrees. When we tested the Tu-334 in Armenia and went back, I say: guys, we are going along the Tu-134 profile. We flew like this in 134 at Domodedovo. What's the difference: Domodedovo or Zhukovsky? Here everything is side by side. We took off, on board five and a half tons of control and recording equipment. The technical team and all the spare parts were loaded with them. We got a mass of about 8 tons. On the Tu-134 with a lower load (Tu-134 - maximum 76 passengers, Tu-334 - 102), 8,5 tons of fuel were consumed. And here they practically met 6 tons of kerosene.



From the file "AN"


ESAYAN Ruben Tatevosovich. 24 was born on November 1946 of the year. Honored Test Pilot and Hero of the Russian Federation. In 1981 – 1984 was on a business trip in Angola, was the crew commander of the Yak-40 aircraft of the Angolan Defense Minister. Since 1986, in flight test work at the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation.


Through the institute, he conducted tests of Tu-334, Tu-154, Il-76MF, Il-96, Il-114. The Be-200 set five world records on an amphibious aircraft. To determine the causes of accidents and disasters, he simulated emergency situations in real flights. Provides Antarctica exploration programs. Since 2001, the Il-76 has been flying annually to the ice airfields of the "fourth continent". In 2007, he performed a unique landing on 28 platforms with diesel fuel for generators and heating at the Vostok station, thereby saving scientists from an emergency evacuation.



Excerpts from documents


The draft presidential decree begins pompously: “In order to scientifically ensure sustainable technological development and modernization of civil aviation ...” But the draft government decree is spelled out more specifically: on behalf of “First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation I.I. Shuvalov from 12.11.2012 ... it is proposed to reorganize the FSUE "GosNII GA" into a federal budget institution with the subsequent assignment to the Ministry of Transport of Russia. " At first glance, nothing terrible. But the end in the series of glorious cases of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation puts the point that the main goals of the institution’s activities are “implementation of scientific and technical activities in the areas of civil aviation and air navigation services, (...) scientific support of the international obligations of the Russian Federation, (...) analysis of data on hazards and risks threatening the safety of civil aircraft, storing these data and their exchange in accordance with the international standards of the International Civil Aviation Organization ”.


That is, for GosNII GA leave only a fraction of the functions. According to Yesayan, flight tests, research and certification flights, special flights for the distillation of aircraft, including various failures and faults of engines and systems, to destinations on request of the customer, to repair factories or after repair will be left behind. to home sites. To perform such tasks safely, not ordinary, even experienced airline pilots are required, but specially trained crews from test pilots. For the year recruited 60 – 70 such extreme flights. And, importantly, will irretrievably lost frame shots - limiting the activities of the GosNII GA will require the dismissal of about 700 specialists. Is it a lot or a little? Catastrophically many - the payroll of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation today is only 807 people. I.e an entire school, whole units capable of not only flying, but also taking and analyzing fuel samples will be destroyed, to certify it, to train pilots to safely operate a new technique, based on research to give or not to give permission for the extension of the life and service life of aircraft. The direction, which is called motor or motor, will disappear into oblivion. Who will carry out comprehensive research on the repair of all aircraft engines used in civil aviation and ensuring the maintenance of their airworthiness under operating conditions? Engine plants? They are not up to that.


It is dashingly conceived - to leave "science" alone, to make everyone clerks. We already saw something similar when the Forestry Code was adopted. The foresters were reduced, the rest were turned into officials. The result is a windbreak in the forests, an aggressive hogweed in the glades, virus-carrying ticks, fires and conifers eaten everywhere by the bark beetle-typographer. They will do the same with the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation - there is no need to fuss, fly, certify, and on the basis of practical tests, write additions to the manuals for the flight operation of aircraft. Better to sit in the quiet of their offices, study documents and invent regulations. That is, to turn the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation under the roof of the Ministry of Transport into an impotent resemblance to the aviation industry department of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia - 16 people, far from all of them who are industry professionals, are mainly involved in document management.


They lie again


The main lie was found in the explanatory note to the draft decree. The traditional clause for such documents is that “The adoption of this draft decree of the President of the Russian Federation will not entail additional expenses from the federal budget”. And how it entails! As a result of performing work on a commercial basis (the same ferry by test pilots of malfunctioning aircraft to repair sites), GosNII GA in 2012 paid only taxes and payments to budgets of all levels in the amount of 377 million. And to finance a stub of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation under the roof of the Ministry of Transport, you will need a counter financial flow from the budget of at least 180 million per year. Plus more than a quarter billion on payments to laid-off employees.


Professional flight personnel with the highest qualification "Tester", a place in the new structure is not provided. Yesayan is sad - it's sad when a scorched field is left behind. Yes, and with the dream of creating a special flight team of two Il-76s with PS-90 engines and three Il-114s to perform Arctic-Antarctic flights, we will have to part. By the way, he has an order for this, signed by S. B. Ivanov. But the Ministry of Transport arranged long-term red tape, justifying the lack of funds:


- On new engines, we are flying with a margin from Cape Town to the Novolazarevskaya station in Antarctica, there will be enough fuel to return in case of bad weather. On the old IL-76TD, the line comes 460 kilometers before the airfield - I did not turn the car "at the line", if you please, land as you can. And the Il-114 with a side cargo hatch is generally an ideal vehicle for our purposes, it can carry people and cargo throughout Antarctica, earn money on foreign research programs, and then fly to the airfield on its own, and not disassembled for loading onto a ship. in South Africa.


But why should officials think about making money? There's a budget for that. And the transfer of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation under the wing of the Ministry of Transport threatens chaos on international and domestic lines - during the reorganization, the aviation security certificates of at least 40% of airports and airlines will expire. So you can't fly.


At the disposal of the editorial board of "Argumenty Nedeli" were documents confirming the old truth - when an official needs to show off his boss, he begins to frantically imitate violent activity. The effect of such "work" is most often destructive. HERE IS THE LAST EXAMPLE. At the suggestion of the Medvedev government, a draft decree of the President of Russia “On the Federal State Unitary Enterprise“ State Research Institute of Civil Aviation ”(GosNII GA) was prepared.


A careful study of the documents suggests the only conclusion - if V. Putin signs the decree, then the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation will be destroyed, his pathetic likeness and the memory of its former greatness will remain. To try to understand the intricacies of the reorganization, the correspondent of "AN" went to Sheremetyevo to the Deputy Director General of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation and the head of the flight test center of the institute Ruben Tatevosovich ESAYANU.


It is possible that there are other, deep, and not “classical-bureaucratic” motives of the reformist intoxication.


In the ministerial sucks


The State Research Institute of Civil Aviation was founded on October 4, 1930. If you go to the airport along the "old" Sheremetyevskoe highway, then on the right, just before reaching the passenger terminals, there is a bus stop - "GosNII GA". All the years, including the difficult 90s, the institute, and in fact, a large enterprise, did not groan from lack of money, but worked. On the problem of aviation safety of flights, the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation conducted laboratory and flight studies of more than 3500 objects of failed aircraft. This FSUE, as it turned out, today practically does not need financing from the state budget. And they decided to reform this effective division of the Federal Air Transport Agency and transfer it under the wing of the Ministry of Transport with a change in status. Now this federal state unitary enterprise (FSUE) from the list of "strategic", threatens to turn, according to the plans of the reformers, into a federal budgetary institution (FBU). It seems that someone very well-placed eyes on the property of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation, for example Arkady Rotenberg, who has already declared his interests in Sheremetyevo. It is there that the institute owns areas and buildings - what is not a tidbit for the construction of another terminal for 40 million passengers a year? But these are only assumptions, but the facts indicate that the transfer from FSUE to FBU will become a headache for many thousands of people. And it poses a direct threat to the safety of civil aviation.


It is possible that the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation fell out of favor with the unsinkable superdzhetostroitelu and President of the United Aircraft Building Corporation M. Pogosyan. The institute knows and warned about the multitude of “jambs” of its offspring, but experts and managers invariably speak about the Tu-334 in excellent shape. Including Ruben Yesayan, he conducted his certification tests:


- We also flew at high-altitude airfields at temperatures up to 38 degrees. When we tested the Tu-334 in Armenia and went back, I say: guys, we are going along the Tu-134 profile. We flew like this in 134 at Domodedovo. What's the difference: Domodedovo or Zhukovsky? Here everything is side by side. We took off, on board five and a half tons of control and recording equipment. The technical team and all the spare parts were loaded with them. We got a mass of about 8 tons. On the Tu-134 with a lower load (Tu-134 - maximum 76 passengers, Tu-334 - 102), 8,5 tons of fuel were consumed. And here they practically met 6 tons of kerosene.



From the file "AN"


ESAYAN Ruben Tatevosovich. 24 was born on November 1946 of the year. Honored Test Pilot and Hero of the Russian Federation. In 1981 – 1984 was on a business trip in Angola, was the crew commander of the Yak-40 aircraft of the Angolan Defense Minister. Since 1986, in flight test work at the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation.


Through the institute, he conducted tests of Tu-334, Tu-154, Il-76MF, Il-96, Il-114. The Be-200 set five world records on an amphibious aircraft. To determine the causes of accidents and disasters, he simulated emergency situations in real flights. Provides Antarctica exploration programs. Since 2001, the Il-76 has been flying annually to the ice airfields of the "fourth continent". In 2007, he performed a unique landing on 28 platforms with diesel fuel for generators and heating at the Vostok station, thereby saving scientists from an emergency evacuation.



Excerpts from documents


The draft presidential decree begins pompously: “In order to scientifically ensure sustainable technological development and modernization of civil aviation ...” But the draft government decree is spelled out more specifically: on behalf of “First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation I.I. Shuvalov from 12.11.2012 ... it is proposed to reorganize the FSUE "GosNII GA" into a federal budget institution with the subsequent assignment to the Ministry of Transport of Russia. " At first glance, nothing terrible. But the end in the series of glorious cases of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation puts the point that the main goals of the institution’s activities are “implementation of scientific and technical activities in the areas of civil aviation and air navigation services, (...) scientific support of the international obligations of the Russian Federation, (...) analysis of data on hazards and risks threatening the safety of civil aircraft, storing these data and their exchange in accordance with the international standards of the International Civil Aviation Organization ”.


That is, for GosNII GA leave only a fraction of the functions. According to Yesayan, flight tests, research and certification flights, special flights for the distillation of aircraft, including various failures and faults of engines and systems, to destinations on request of the customer, to repair factories or after repair will be left behind. to home sites. To perform such tasks safely, not ordinary, even experienced airline pilots are required, but specially trained crews from test pilots. For the year recruited 60 – 70 such extreme flights. And, importantly, will irretrievably lost frame shots - limiting the activities of the GosNII GA will require the dismissal of about 700 specialists. Is it a lot or a little? Catastrophically many - the payroll of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation today is only 807 people. I.e an entire school, whole units capable of not only flying, but also taking and analyzing fuel samples will be destroyed, to certify it, to train pilots to safely operate a new technique, based on research to give or not to give permission for the extension of the life and service life of aircraft. The direction, which is called motor or motor, will disappear into oblivion. Who will carry out comprehensive research on the repair of all aircraft engines used in civil aviation and ensuring the maintenance of their airworthiness under operating conditions? Engine plants? They are not up to that.


It is dashingly conceived - to leave "science" alone, to make everyone clerks. We already saw something similar when the Forestry Code was adopted. The foresters were reduced, the rest were turned into officials. The result is a windbreak in the forests, an aggressive hogweed in the glades, virus-carrying ticks, fires and conifers eaten everywhere by the bark beetle-typographer. They will do the same with the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation - there is no need to fuss, fly, certify, and on the basis of practical tests, write additions to the manuals for the flight operation of aircraft. Better to sit in the quiet of their offices, study documents and invent regulations. That is, to turn the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation under the roof of the Ministry of Transport into an impotent resemblance to the aviation industry department of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia - 16 people, far from all of them who are industry professionals, are mainly involved in document management.


They lie again


The main lie was found in the explanatory note to the draft decree. The traditional clause for such documents is that “The adoption of this draft decree of the President of the Russian Federation will not entail additional expenses from the federal budget”. And how it entails! As a result of performing work on a commercial basis (the same ferry by test pilots of malfunctioning aircraft to repair sites), GosNII GA in 2012 paid only taxes and payments to budgets of all levels in the amount of 377 million. And to finance a stub of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation under the roof of the Ministry of Transport, you will need a counter financial flow from the budget of at least 180 million per year. Plus more than a quarter billion on payments to laid-off employees.


Professional flight personnel with the highest qualification "Tester", a place in the new structure is not provided. Yesayan is sad - it's sad when a scorched field is left behind. Yes, and with the dream of creating a special flight team of two Il-76s with PS-90 engines and three Il-114s to perform Arctic-Antarctic flights, we will have to part. By the way, he has an order for this, signed by S. B. Ivanov. But the Ministry of Transport arranged long-term red tape, justifying the lack of funds:


- On new engines, we are flying with a margin from Cape Town to the Novolazarevskaya station in Antarctica, there will be enough fuel to return in case of bad weather. On the old IL-76TD, the line comes 460 kilometers before the airfield - I did not turn the car "at the line", if you please, land as you can. And the Il-114 with a side cargo hatch is generally an ideal vehicle for our purposes, it can carry people and cargo throughout Antarctica, earn money on foreign research programs, and then fly to the airfield on its own, and not disassembled for loading onto a ship. in South Africa.


But why should officials think about making money? There's a budget for that. And the transfer of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation under the wing of the Ministry of Transport threatens chaos on international and domestic lines - during the reorganization, the aviation security certificates of at least 40% of airports and airlines will expire. So you can't fly.


At the disposal of the editorial board of "Argumenty Nedeli" were documents confirming the old truth - when an official needs to show off his boss, he begins to frantically imitate violent activity. The effect of such "work" is most often destructive. HERE IS THE LAST EXAMPLE. At the suggestion of the Medvedev government, a draft decree of the President of Russia “On the Federal State Unitary Enterprise“ State Research Institute of Civil Aviation ”(GosNII GA) was prepared.


A careful study of the documents suggests the only conclusion - if V. Putin signs the decree, then the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation will be destroyed, his pathetic likeness and the memory of its former greatness will remain. To try to understand the intricacies of the reorganization, the correspondent of "AN" went to Sheremetyevo to the Deputy Director General of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation and the head of the flight test center of the institute Ruben Tatevosovich ESAYANU.

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  1. fklj
    fklj 26 October 2013 07: 24
    +4
    Sometimes it seems that our officials get paid at the box office of Boeing, Airbas and the Pentagon.
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 26 October 2013 08: 00
      15
      Quote: fklj
      Sometimes it seems that our officials get paid at the box office of Boeing, Airbas and the Pentagon.


      Maybe they get a salary, I remember in the 90s the European high raised that our engines were too noisy and banned our planes from flying over Europe, but it’s clear for what reason to buy their planes and engines, and kirdyk came to our engine plants! because in the 60-70's our civil aviation was ahead of the rest.
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 26 October 2013 08: 19
      15
      Officials who do not have special knowledge and do not work in the relevant industries should not be allowed to reorganize and "reform", due to their ignorance of their specifics of the work of what they are trying to change.
      The intervention of officials only leads to negativity and destruction. Examples beyond measure. Gaidar and the "kinder surprise" in the Government, Chubais in the energy sector, Serdyukov in the Army, an accountant at the head of the Ministry of Health and so on, so on.
      The State Research Institute of Civil Aviation has already undergone a "reform" during the gangster privatization of the 90s, when the state's civil aviation - Aeroflot - was destroyed, but it survived that period. Now they are trying to finish it off completely, without thinking about the safety of flights and passengers.
      I remember January 1994, the first disaster after the privatization of Aeroflot in Irkutsk TU-154 (126 people died), a consequence of the destruction of the unified civil aviation system, when the Irkutsk GA squadron did not have the money to buy the technical documentation of the State Scientific Research Institute of Civil Aviation for the prevention of TU-154 accidents, due to already existing several prerequisites for a flight accident due to a similar malfunction of the engine starter, which happened at the Irkutsk TU-154.
      1. hommer
        hommer 26 October 2013 08: 48
        10
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Officials who do not have special knowledge and do not work in the relevant industries should not be allowed to reorganize and "reform", because they do not know their specifics of the work of what they are trying to change. Intervention of officials only leads to negativity and destruction.


        Shoot them already, or something ...
        Indeed, they are the enemies of the people.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 26 October 2013 10: 21
          +8
          Quote: hommer
          Shoot them already, or something ...
          Indeed, they are the enemies of the people.

          Thieving incompetent high-ranking officials are simply a consequence. It is necessary to destroy the very reason that makes it possible to appoint such people to high posts.
          1. gsg955
            gsg955 26 October 2013 11: 43
            +4
            Under Stalin, these ruthenbergs and Shuvalovs would have long been camp dust.
        2. creak
          creak 26 October 2013 11: 08
          +3
          Hommer

          Yes you! They have only recently been seriously raised their salaries so that they live and enjoy their lives ... After all, the same I. Shuvalov declared income for 2012 amounted to 226 million rubles. is it possible to live on such a penny ... Well, how can you not add some money to the kids for milk ... And if they add money to the ministers and the deputies at the same time, then it is believed that they work as they should and the point or the ellipses?
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 26 October 2013 10: 19
        +5
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Officials who do not have special knowledge and do not work in the relevant industries should not be allowed to reorganize and "reform",

        Knowledge - acquired by studying the materials of the case. And if a person is talented, then he learns quickly. The question is different - in the essence of the official. If an official is imprisoned for personal enrichment or does not correspond to his position (appointed by pull), then the result is logical.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 26 October 2013 10: 40
          +3
          Quote: S_mirnov
          And if a person is talented, then he learns quickly. The question is different - in the essence of the official.


          You are not right. The essence of any official is connected with his service. And in the service - traditions, relationships, its own subculture. If you start clever, you’ll be sitting in your office checking last year’s snow. Correctly wrote General Dragomirov - the essence of classes determines the meaning of concepts and the nature of relations.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 26 October 2013 12: 11
            +2
            Quote: Botanologist
            You are not right. The essence of any official is connected with his service.

            What is the commander - such and subordinates, or according to the folk "What is such a priest and a parish"
        2. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 26 October 2013 10: 58
          0
          The main thing is that the official would work and be responsible for his work, and not sit out his pants and get a golden parachute for it
        3. gsg955
          gsg955 26 October 2013 11: 44
          0
          So they are sharpened by the standard.
          1. Gari
            26 October 2013 12: 23
            +4
            Good afternoon everyone is happy that there are still others like
            Ruben Tatevosovich Yesayan, clan November 24, 1946, in Yerevan, the Armenian SSR - test pilot - deputy general director - head of the flight testing center of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "State Research Institute of Civil Aviation", Moscow.
            In 1981-1984 he was on a business trip in Angola during the fighting, the commander of the Yak-40 aircraft of the Minister of Defense of Angola.
            In 1983, during a take-off at the Luanda airport, he was shot down and managed to land a damaged car.
            In the 2000s, it flew to the South Pole and the central regions of Antarctica, including the unique operation of landing 76 platforms with diesel fuel from the Il-28TD plane to the Vostok polar station (2007).
            On March 24, 2011, Ruben Yesayan piloted a Tu-154 plane [1] at Ukhta Airport, making an emergency landing on a short lane on September 7, 2010 at Izhma Airport.
            The same one which in September last year, right in the sky, most of the devices failed.
            Honored Test Pilot of the Russian Federation
            Awarded
            Soviet Order of Friendship of Peoples
            Russian Order of Courage
            Hero of the Russian Federation
  2. askort154
    askort154 26 October 2013 07: 44
    10
    A consistent program to destroy its own civil aviation structures in Russia continues
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 08: 48
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      A consistent program to destroy its own civil aviation structures in Russia continues

      NA has already been caught on lies, will soon become a full-scale yellow press. The article is more like "In pursuit of a sensation." What clippings are not clear from where, where are the documents themselves?
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 26 October 2013 09: 24
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        AN already caught in a lie, will soon become a full-blown yellow press

        Alexander! maybe "AN" and lie, but I believe my eyes, until recently I flew to Moscow on the Yak-42, now "Bombardier" flies and this is an indicator of the work of our officials.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 09: 33
          +1
          Quote: Anatol Klim
          , until recently I flew to Moscow on a Yak-42, now the Bombardier is flying and this is an indicator of the work of our officials.

          This is an indication that the company you fly bought Bombardier. The commerce officials will not force us to buy our planes. The commerce thinks about their pocket, and not about your or my desires.
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 26 October 2013 09: 49
            +4
            The fact of the matter is that there are no our planes, the aviation industry, thanks to our officials, does not have government support, and I will not say about the superjet how "ours" it is. And airlines would buy our planes, if there was a correct policy of loans and leasing, but this requires the desire of responsible persons, but this desire is not.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 26 October 2013 09: 57
              +1
              And as far as Boeing American or European Airbus. Up to 70% of components from other countries. Globalization
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 10
              +1
              Quote: Anatol Klim
              And the airlines would buy our airplanes if there was a correct policy of loans, leasing, but this requires the desire of those in charge, but this desire is not.

              In order to buy them, we need new aircraft, good ones. Everything was collapsed not long ago. Another ten years will be seen in order to restore, at least something.
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 26 October 2013 10: 31
        +1
        My computer is buggy - or is there half repeated?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 10
          0
          Quote: lelikas
          My computer is buggy

          No, not buggy
    2. pahom54
      pahom54 26 October 2013 11: 09
      +1
      And not just aviation. The implementation of a long-term program to destroy Russia as such continues.
      Often I hear that thanks to the agent of influence Gorbachev, the USSR was destroyed. And now is something else going on? Aren't their actions similar to the actions of influence agents ???
      I already have the impression that at the top of the rulers and in Dura alone enemies of Russia are sitting. Yes, actually, the way it is, their affairs confirm this ...
  3. major071
    major071 26 October 2013 07: 59
    +9
    (C) uki, when do you finally grab so much to choke. They squandered the whole country and everything is lacking.
  4. Very old
    Very old 26 October 2013 08: 01
    +9
    Healthcare happily hooted.
    Education was circumcised.
    The Russian Academy was ridiculed.
    A hoopoe sits in a chic office, thinks: “What else would I reform? I won’t think of it, they’ll remove it for not being able
  5. Koronik
    Koronik 26 October 2013 08: 02
    0
    "A careful study of the documents suggests the only conclusion" Does anyone really believe in this nonsense!
    "At the disposal of the editorial board of" Arguments of the week "were documents,"
    Well, show these documents to us, this is how gossip speculations are born, sorry. It seems like a serious publication, but it turns out their correspondent (a fucking specialist) has unraveled all the "intricacies of the conspiracy". Nonsense!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 08: 55
      +3
      Quote: Koronik
      Well, show these documents to us, this is how gossip speculations are born, sorry.

      The only adequate koment. The people that you minus the person? He asked a logical question. Who saw the documents in question? Any such article is for the most part a stupid redistribution of dough, and such articles are an attempt to either stick to a pie or not lose it. That damn leg will break, and you take everything at face value.
      1. Very old
        Very old 26 October 2013 10: 51
        +1
        Alexander, we are all tired of the reformatory itch. I’m ready to believe even the implausible. And am I alone? Who is guilty of defamation? Who is holding us for boobies?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 06
          +2
          Quote: Very old
          And am I alone? Who is guilty of defamation? Who is holding us for boobies?

          Everything around! Therefore, people believe everything that is written about officials. Tomorrow write an article yourself exposing Medvedev (he is in fashion) in which there will not be a single word of truth. For example, journalists learned that Medvedev bought 16 luxury cars in a year for a mansion , and has 6 accounts in American banks and everything is in such a plan. At the bottom of the article, in very small print, all the author's fiction described in the article. And I assure you, komenty will be vicious and thunderous about the indicated persons. The units will be interested in whether it is true what you write about. This is the level of consciousness of the majority. 90% of Sait will applaud you while standing.
    2. shpuntik
      shpuntik 26 October 2013 10: 25
      +4
      Foreman
      Koronik RU Today, 08:02 AM
      "A careful study of the documents suggests the only conclusion" Does anyone really believe in this nonsense!

      Here, believe it, do not believe it, but the friends are sawing. http://www.newsru.com/finance/01oct2013/sharik_rotenberga.html
      Rotenberg took up Sheremetevo, isn't that so? Most likely the heads of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation, including Yesayan, sounded the alarm, because we are talking about the project. When the decree comes out, as you ask, it will be too late. Compare the situation with the city hospital №31 in St. Petersburg, where people are not easy, they read the situation in advance, defended the object.
      http://forum.na-svyazi.ru/?showtopic=1432446
      http://silver2013.livejournal.com/43159.html

      It seems like a serious publication, but it turns out their correspondent (a fucking specialist) has unraveled all the "intricacies of the conspiracy". Nonsense!

      What kind of planes are you flying on, domestic? Conspiracy? No, have not heard...

    3. svp67
      svp67 26 October 2013 11: 13
      +3
      Quote: Koronik
      this is how conjectures are born

      There is some truth in your words. But answer your own question, why in the sky there are almost no of our aircraft manufactured at our plants? And if from year to year, the same people control this sphere, then the answer who begs for itself, and people no longer care much whether there are documents or not, they see what is happening and draw their conclusions, who to believe.
  6. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 26 October 2013 08: 06
    +7
    I regularly read "AN" and articles about the destruction of the Russian aircraft industry appear there regularly, but the worst thing is that such officials as the Manturovs, Poghosyans, Shuvalovs believed in their impunity and permissiveness - they do whatever they want. There is not enough anger already ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 13
      -1
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      such officials as the Manturovs, Pogosyans, Shuvalovs believed in their impunity and permissiveness - they do that although

      But how much do we (you) know what they are really doing? If in this newspaper all articles about aviation are similar to this, then ........ take the newspaper to the toilet. Use it when the toilet paper runs out.
      1. svp67
        svp67 26 October 2013 11: 20
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But how much do we (you) know what they are really doing?

        I think yes. To do this, just go to any airport and look at the aircraft parking, how many RUSSIAN aircraft are there. And to see how much money is spent on the development of aviation, and the conclusion of who and what "creates" suggests itself ...

        V.M. Chuyko - Deputy Minister of Aviation Industry (since 1984), President of the Association of Aircraft Engine Building Association (since 1991), Professor, Doctor of Technical Sciences, State Prize Laureate;


        Victor Chuyko: The aviation industry in Russia continues to remain in a serious systemic crisis, despite the fact that the government has taken tremendous measures in the last decade to develop the aircraft industry. So, the size of funds for the development of civil aircraft increased by more than 10 times. Corporations were created that were supposed to bring effect, where the main thing is to increase the number of well-sold aircraft. Let me remind you that during the crisis more than 80bn were allocated from the state only to engine-building plants. rub. In various forms, for example, through subsidies or contributions to the authorized capital. There is a program for the development of civil aviation technology, but over the past 10 years there have been no significant changes in the aviation industry based on the results of its work


        The money spent on the purchase of “foreign cars” gave the domestic aviation industry the opportunity to produce about 90 Il-96-300 aircraft, about 250 Tu-204, Tu-334 and others

        http://vpk.name/news/88406_ob_aviastroenii_v_rossii.html
  7. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 26 October 2013 08: 27
    +6
    This article shows the "work of agents of influence" on destruction. Whose order is this, I think it's clear. It’s a pity they didn’t enumerate such agents, the country should know more "such heroes" and who brought us to this state.
  8. Delink
    Delink 26 October 2013 08: 30
    +7
    You need to drive Medvedev and others like him from the government.
  9. klip07
    klip07 26 October 2013 08: 33
    +7
    90% of the government of iPhone should be pulled up in the lanterns, for betrayal and the collapse of the country, the thought should be dispersed, and the deputies should be sentenced to revenge instead of emigrants, half could be planted, and Moscow should be burned and the capital transferred beyond the Urals ... and started all over again ... and even banks to close everything, abandon the petrodolar and nationalize the mining sector and the ruble to tie to gold ..... and spit on gizeypad ... well, somewhere like that ...
    1. sashka
      sashka 26 October 2013 08: 43
      +4
      Quote: klip07
      90% of the government of iPhone should be pulled up in the lanterns, for betrayal and the collapse of the country, the thought should be dispersed, and the deputies should be sentenced to revenge instead of emigrants, half could be planted, and Moscow should be burned and the capital transferred beyond the Urals ... and started all over again ... and even banks to close everything, abandon the petrodolar and nationalize the mining sector and the ruble to tie to gold ..... and spit on gizeypad ... well, somewhere like that ...

      Don't give a damn, don't give a damn .. However, more than half of the Country in the "elections" applaud standing up, having time to cry and get wet eyes from the "suddenly" surging happiness. I write and cry. How good we are. But the Internet reduces all "achievements" to zero .. And so, everything is fine ..
      1. klip07
        klip07 26 October 2013 08: 53
        +4
        that's why we need to clean up the ayfoshka and company ... and our people are getting dumber more and more every year, the noodles on the ears that are hung on TV make it difficult for the head to think ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 15
          0
          Quote: klip07
          . and our people are dulling more and more every year,

          This is very noticeable for most comments.
    2. Very old
      Very old 26 October 2013 10: 55
      0
      +, but something with a Georgian accent voice ...
    3. alone
      alone 26 October 2013 17: 52
      0
      what
      Quote: klip07
      90% of the government of iPhone should be pulled up in the streetlights, for betrayal and the collapse of the country, the Duma should be dispersed, and the deputies sent revenge instead of emigrants, half can be planted, and Moscow should be burned and the capital transferred to the Urals ..


      Well, let's do as you suggest. And what will it change? instead of iPhones, other iPhones will come, others will take the same seats. But as for Moscow and the Urals, I will say this. First, you need to ask the Urals whether the Urals want the capital to be transferred to them.
      90% sure they say no!
  10. Who
    Who 26 October 2013 09: 00
    +1
    Interestingly, are not "agents of influence" acting here? After all, the article, although "abusive", is about nothing, no specifics, only blah-blah-blah and are only concerned about the loss of "left" earnings.
    1. Genry
      Genry 26 October 2013 11: 26
      +1
      The article is clearly provocative. If the author scolds Poghosyan and is loyal to the TU-334 (only this one), then the impression is that it is a pure "order".
      And someone was in such a hurry to copy-paste the article that they copied it twice.
      Probably "it" has already got into many other publications and will wander and be mentioned for an unusually long time.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 26 October 2013 11: 29
        +1
        All AN articles about aviation revolve around TU-334
  11. I do not care
    I do not care 26 October 2013 09: 20
    0
    Onishchenko needs presidency. The doctor will quickly find a cure for these worms.
    I would love to vote for him in the next election, the current who will let him go there request
  12. zvereok
    zvereok 26 October 2013 09: 26
    +1
    All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov in prison?
    1. Very old
      Very old 26 October 2013 10: 58
      +3
      "Don't rub salt on my wound ..." With a capital letter - WONDERFUL!
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  14. svp67
    svp67 26 October 2013 10: 38
    +3
    How "got" these "undercover wars". The "bureaucrats" have already "earned" 20 lives, but they DO NOT LIVE as much !!! They don’t know what and how to spend money, they are already buying "pipifax" gold ... but for the country and the people living in it , "don't give a damn" ... Where are the "statesmen", where are those who connect their lives and the lives of their descendants with Russia, and not with a "cozy corner" in London or elsewhere abroad?
    I'm afraid to prophesy, but the 100th anniversary of the October Revolution may become the date of his triumphant return ...
  15. shpuntik
    shpuntik 26 October 2013 10: 48
    +1
    But the draft government decree is spelled out much more specifically: on behalf of the “First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation II. Shuvalova from 12.11.2012 … it is proposed to reorganize FSUE GosNII GA into a federal budget institution, with subsequent assignment to the Ministry of Transport of Russia. ”

    From the article, I understood the following: it turns out that soon the anniversary of the draft decree, it lay under the cloth, and in the light of recent events-01/10/2013 (http://www.newsru.com/finance/01oct2013/sharik_rotenberga.html) the leadership of the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation has panicked and turned to the newspaper ... And then, we'll see. what
    Or let's all together ask the Ministry: "If it’s impossible to build our planes (Il-62, Il-86), since the Americans do not allow our reserve fund to be spent on this, then please, at least buy Boeings with Airbus newer, no older than five years old. Please! "
    wink

    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 17
      +2
      I read komenty and garbage. In short, I promoted whom I could and dumped. Read the nonsense of forces no longer.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 26 October 2013 12: 10
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I read komenty and garbage. In short, I promoted whom I could and dump.

        As I understand you, Alexander! Well, what do you want, an information war with "vampires" for the minds of people is in full swing, but these are just unfortunate victims struck by fragments of information-carpet bombing. But these are our people, even if they are bitten and their brains are poisoned. We must fight for their souls and brains, treat them, whoever it is, can still do it, if we are not "Nobody but us"! soldier
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Read the delirium is no more.

        "And an eternal battle.
        Rest only in our dreams..."
        There is safety in numbers. Post passed, Post accepted soldier laughing
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 26 October 2013 13: 08
          +2
          Lieutenant general
          COSMOS (2) KZ Today, 12:10 ↑ New
          "And an eternal battle.
          Rest only in our dreams..."
          There is safety in numbers. Post passed, Post accepted

          Go to this page, there is another battlefield, but there are bitten ones. yes
          http://maxpark.com/community/8/content/1344416
          Here I am, Watson, right now I’ll raise from the Internet what year it was: in 2007. In 2007 Aeroflot signed major contracts for the purchase of 22 Boeing B78 long-range aircraft
          http://www.aeroflot.ru/cms/flight/plane_park
          and left exactly half to Airbus - exactly half!

          In 2007, Aeroflot signed major contracts for the purchase of 22 long-haul Boeing B787 Dreamliner aircraft starting in 2016 and 22 Airbus A350 airliners starting in 2018.

          How do you explain the equality of supply? There is a lot of information garbage, I agree, but choosing a reasonable grain is real. hi
      2. shpuntik
        shpuntik 26 October 2013 12: 36
        0
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        Alexander Romanov (1) RU Today, 11: 17 ↑
        I read komenty and garbage. In short, I promoted whom I could and dumped. Read the nonsense of forces no longer.

        This is about the grudge of the day, TSZT, on the topic of aviation. The main thing is not to get on a plane like the people from Surgut this morning:
        Passenger Boeing, following the Mineralnye Vody – Surgut flight, urgently returned to the departure airport due to depressurization of the cabin.

        http://www.u-f.ru/News/u3/2013/10/26/663841
  16. stranik72
    stranik72 26 October 2013 11: 34
    +2
    Gentlemen about GOS NII GA, not everything is clear here, this organization today earns only by extending resources and service life, although according to all international rules it is exclusively for the Developer, and Gos NII GA has stuck in this extension system at the time thanks to the connections in Ros Aviation, and still takes more Developer, so the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation today is a brake on the development of Russian Civil Aviation.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 26 October 2013 12: 59
      +3
      stranik72 RU Today, 11:34
      and the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation, at one time, got into this extension system thanks to its connections in Ros Aviation, and even takes more Developer,

      "Developer" is a manufacturer or a KB? Who will control the Boeings and Airbuses in our country? If they are given the right to extend the terms, they will flood our market with old stuff. What attitude we have towards the people, and how patient they are, everyone knows. You can make money on this. It will be cheaper for them to pay insurance when it falls.
  17. karal
    karal 26 October 2013 11: 48
    +2
    Finish, kill, destroy! This is the policy of today's leadership of the country! They killed the army, science finished off, now the aircraft must be destroyed and then it will be possible to live in peace ... somewhere in London, say! Ugh, disgusting even!
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  19. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 26 October 2013 13: 04
    0
    <<< "In order to provide scientific support for sustainable technological development and modernization of civil aviation ..." >>>
    And where is the development of civil aviation? A mountain of state financial resources allocated by the UAC for the development of the Russian aviation industry, incl. civil aviation, which gave birth to a half-imported "mouse" - Poghosyan's Super Jet - this is the result of many years of development of our civil aviation! Why is there a need for reorganization now
    FSUE "GosNII GA"? Probably, it prevents you from continuing to get hung up on this MOUSE and continue to pump funds into its development, and now modernization!
  20. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 26 October 2013 13: 10
    +1
    Quote: S_mirnov
    Quote: hommer
    Shoot them already, or something ...
    Indeed, they are the enemies of the people.

    Thieving incompetent high-ranking officials are simply a consequence. It is necessary to destroy the very reason that makes it possible to appoint such people to high posts.

    And in my opinion they are very competent in breaking up, pocketing, sawing. Somewhere the true goal of the reform will pop up anyway - BABLO! And while capitalism will not change anything.
  21. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 October 2013 16: 06
    +1
    The redistribution of property, begun at the beginning of the 90, continues. And do not care about the fact that after the reorganization of the institution instead of making money. will betray budget millions. There is no master in the country. People are not governed by the good of the country, but by personal gain. Shame on you gentlemen!