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Hoaxes on both sides of the pacific

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Hoaxes on both sides of the pacific10 October 2013, the South Korean media, citing government sources, reported that the DPRK at the border with China built a missile base with a large number of underground missile silos. The fact that North Korea does not have silo-based rockets has not been stopped by the authors of this “information”. Published another "horror story", which recently was not count. Certain events have indeed taken place over the last year - the DPRK in December 2012 managed to launch an artificial satellite of the Earth, and in February 2013 carried out the third underground nuclear explosion. The author proposes to abstract from the PR-husk published on the state of the DPRK nuclear missile programs and to try to keep an open mind on the successes of these programs claimed by North Korea itself and criticized (with their simultaneous indefatigable praise) from the United States, individual countries of Europe, South Korea and Japan.


WHAT THE DPRK HAVE LAUNCHED ON DECEMBER 2012 OF THE YEAR AND THAN THE LAUNCH

What was launched, seemingly understandable, was a spacecraft (SC) for, as stated by the North Korean side, photographing individual parts of the earth’s surface. Nobody disputes that the spacecraft entered the orbit, it is observed by national means of tracking a number of countries and has received official international registration.

Here we should pay attention to the fact that the derived spacecraft, according to reports for the media of astronomers watching it, rotates, therefore, in principle, it cannot be used for the purposes stated by the DPRK. In addition, no information exchange was recorded between the spacecraft and the North Korean ground services.

If the spacecraft were at least in a minimally functional state, we would certainly see a photograph of the earth’s surface, albeit indistinct, but filmed by them, or a patriotic North Korean song heard from space. None of this is and will not be, so the most likely is the assumption that the spacecraft was damaged during the elimination phase. If it was intended at all to transmit any information to Earth. Experts from different countries called the estimated weight characteristics of this spacecraft. The most "generous" figure, named by experts in South Korea, is 220 pounds, that is, almost 100 kg. To this figure we will return.

If to follow from official statements, then they launched with the help of a three-stage launch vehicle (PH) "Enkha-3". Informally, it is about testing the next version of the North Korean combat rocket Tephodon. In the absence of other public data, the conversation about what they, the North Koreans, this time safely “flew off”, can now proceed only on the basis of information published by South Korea, which, it is claimed, has managed to catch part of the fuel tank at sea and elements of the first stage of the PH "Unha-3". What did the experts of South Korea reveal and what was allowed to publish in the media? And that's what.

The propulsion system of the first stage of the PH “Unkha-3” - “Tepkhodon” is a “hitch” of four PH engines “Nodon”, the second stage of the PH “Unha-3” is the “Nodon” itself and the third stage of the PH - “Scud”. The Nodon RV propulsion system, as is known, is a four-chamber bundle of four Scada single-chamber engines. Total we have at the first stage a bunch of “four by four”, that is, sixteen “Scadov” engines, at the second stage - one bunch of four “Scadov” engines, and at the third stage - a single-chamber engine “Scud” (the author also encountered other information on the third steps - that it was kind of like the Soviet "Point", which does not change the essence). In general, as in that old song, "I blinded him from what was." Everywhere the same old, 50-s of development, engines from the good old tactical Soviet missile R-17. And there is nothing new. The aforementioned South Korean information only confirms the conclusion made by the author in a previous publication that North Koreans use old technologies and old engines in their RN developments from among those that are “at hand”, and nothing new has been created by them.

The 16-chamber bundle of old single-chamber engines at the first stage of the PH did not work properly during the previous April launch of the 2012, and sometime after the 100 seconds of the flight, the Unha-2 PH exploded. Most likely due to problems with the flight control system - it is clear that the more engines installed in the first stage of the launch vehicle, the more difficult it is to synchronize their work and control it. And here they are at the first stage - as many as 16. Probably, the North Koreans managed to finish something, and in December, the Eunkha-3 launch vehicle seemed to work fine. But what will happen with the third launch?

The maximum range of the PH "Ynha-3" was again "measured" by South Koreans - 6212 miles, that is, approximately 10 thousand km. God bless her, from this measured to a value with an accuracy of 1,7 km range. Measuring the latter with a payload of the above 100 kg makes no special sense, even with such a load, the Tephodn PH flies even on 15 thousand, it flies, then what? This, after all, is not about the very possibility of the RN to fly to the main territory of the United States, but about the possibility of delivering a strategic nuclear warhead to the North Korean RN. And here, no weight characteristics in 100 kg do not “roll”. If the DPRK can even go from a rudimentary nuclear explosive device to create some kind of nuclear warhead, then it is almost guaranteed to be a warhead (warhead) weighing over 1 tons, and the warhead (MS) of the launch vehicle, this warhead itself carrying the weight, will weigh down the total the weight of the last stage of PH is at least a quarter. For the sake of clarity, I will repeat the purely weight gradation of the weight of nuclear warheads for strategic LVs on open American expert e-sites. The current fifth generation is 250 – 300 kg, the fourth is 500 – 600 kg, the third is 750 – 900 kg, the second is about 1 tons and more, and the first generation is under 1,4 – 1,5 tons. This is quite approximately what, in the opinion of American experts, the USA and the USSR were able to do. And what category does North Korea fall into? Yes, in any!

One important point is important. In the creation of atomic and thermonuclear weapons In principle, there can be no "breakthroughs". Arms are not initially subject to dilettantism, and slogans like "scream and develop!" In nuclear physics in its military application do not work. And if you have a nuclear explosive device the size of a half-home, this does not automatically mean that next time you step through one or two generations and at once create the so-called “light” warhead, which your RN will be able to abandon. It is obvious that the thrown weight in 1 a ton or more for the Tephodon PH of the described construction is unattainable. MS in the form of "Scud", deducing 1-ton warhead on an intercontinental ballistic trajectory? Absurd. But the absurd, carefully silenced by Western lovers to wishful thinking. The author can only repeat the conclusion made in the June publication: the current version of the North Korean long-range RN, called Tephodon, can never deliver a nuclear charge with the specified weight characteristics to the main US territory and the Tephodon program is dead-end in this regard. Incidentally, the North Korean comrades seem to understand this, and there is one thing, albeit not a direct one, but evidence.

HUNTING FOR ENGINES

In early June, 2012 in a number of Ukrainian media “slipped” brief information that a court in the city of Dnepropetrovsk sentenced two DPRK citizens to eight years of imprisonment each for an espionage attempt in late May. The author, with the support of the relevant Ukrainian department, was able to gain more insight into these relatively recent events. This spy история very interesting and deserves a separate detailed description, but the volume of this article, unfortunately, does not allow this. In short, it looks like this.

Two DPRK citizens - employees of the DPRK trade mission in Minsk - managed to reach a specialist at Yuzhnoye Design Bureau in Dnepropetrovsk and offered him for money (attention, reader: as much as three thousand US dollars!) To provide secret information. A security officer showed civil consciousness and appealed to the local administration of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU). The rest, as they say, was the “work of the technician” of the SBU, which, as it turned out, was not occupied by this technology. Under her control for North Korean spies was organized re-shooting of secret materials, during which they were captured in the act. By the way, not secret, but supposedly secret materials - even with a comprehensively prepared seizure, the contents of the volumetric secret volume of materials with the corresponding stamp were replaced with unclassified materials, and the “secret” signature remained only on the cover.

Interest in this story is both the spy story itself and the subject of interest of the North Koreans. On a piece of paper they gave to the aforementioned employee of the KB, there was a list of questions of interest. Among them were such as the design of the first-stage engine of a heavy rocket and fuel for it, heat-resistant materials for the first-stage combustion chamber, the control system, and all this — as much as in relation to the “Voevod” strategic rocket R-36X2 (general The name of the family of these rockets in the West is known as “Satan”), the glory and pride of the Soviet military rocket science. This rocket was developed in Dnepropetrovsk in NPO “Yuzhnoye” and was produced there at the serial plant. Design and other documentation on the rocket, of course, continues to be in the local archives, and the Ukrainian specialists continue to participate in the work on the extension of the resource of these missiles, which are still in considerable numbers on alert in the Russian Federation.

The beginning of this spy story is the autumn of 2010, the end (capture red-handed) is the summer of 2011. The timing is the period after the unsuccessful launch of Tephodon in the 2009 year and before the explosion of the Unha-2 in the 2012 year. The presence in the list of specific questions on the heavy LV indicates that the North Korean spies were not just hunting for any information on the former Soviet missile programs, but for the data, the receipt of which their leadership required them first. “Gag” in such cases can not be, and therefore, the North Koreans tried to get what they themselves do not work, in this case - the documentation on the first stage of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). It is noteworthy that the two North Koreans mentioned made the above-mentioned employee of the KB a proposal for cooperation at the very first meeting. Perhaps from the standpoint of the DPRK trade mission in Minsk, in any case, it was not easy to organize a study of the alleged recruitment object, but the author’s experts know the question with one voice: the so-called head-on recruitment at the first meeting suggests that the North Koreans had instructions in any way and as soon as possible try to obtain the necessary information. Thanks to the efficient work of the SBU, a potential leak of information was prevented, while the North Korean designers continue to place bundles of “scad” engines on the first step of Tephodon.

WHAT BREAKED UP

The answer to the question: which plutonium or uranium charge was tested in February, now no one knows. Air samples taken by experts from the United States, South Korea, China and Russia (it is difficult to assume that the Special Control Service did nothing in this regard) seemed to have yielded nothing. In addition, there was information in the media that the US government in any case would refrain from publishing any information on this subject. Official commentary is not traditionally expected from the relevant Russian departments, and the statements of both Koreas for various reasons must be treated very carefully. It may well happen that the world community will never receive an answer to the question “what was blown up this time” or will, but not soon. The same can be said about the energy release of the third explosion - figures from 6-7 to 40 kilotons flashed in the media. One Russian news An electronic channel, citing a source in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, reported that the explosion power was exactly over 10 ct.

Here I would like to emphasize the following. First, talk about the possibility of undermining a large number of conventional explosives (explosives) as imitations of a nuclear test is not serious. And the point is not that the DPRK has been under the “international microscope” for a long time and it will be difficult for it to conceal the movement of hundreds of trucks carrying explosives to the test site. The fact is that in order to avoid a simple detonation of a huge amount of TNT, testers would have to make efforts to ensure the synchronization of exploding several thousand tons of this explosives (and this is not such a simple task as it may seem). But the use of hundreds or even thousands of electronic fuses to synchronize the explosion does not solve the main problem of imitation - the burning rate of TNT and nuclear fuel differ significantly. The picture of the occurrence and spread of the seismic phenomenon, which is fixed by national and supranational seismic monitoring means, differs accordingly, and any experienced seismologist who is familiar with the topic can easily distinguish one from the other.

Second, let's nevertheless deal with the topic of the so-called amplification, hydrogen amplification and other similar statements in the media on the eve of the third North Korean nuclear test. For what it was written in foreign media, mainly Japanese and South Korean, - unknowingly or for forcing the atmosphere - the author is unknown. But getting such information "frills" in the Russian media, unfortunately, is connected with the former "illness" of the latter - as a rule, with a simple "tracing" of what is published abroad, without even making the slightest attempt to understand it that you are releasing in print or on informational tape.

What was discussed in foreign publications? Probably meant the word “booting” unfamiliar to individual Russian leaders of the pen, which they unknowingly were afraid to use. Such a word - boosting - really exists, it is a professional term, and means a multiple increase in power, that is, energy release, with an explosion of a nuclear charge, often up to megaton values. For this purpose, vials with T-D gas are put inside the charge bodies. First, the so-called “switch”, a compact nuclear explosive device, is undermined, the task of which is to create the necessary pressure and temperature values ​​at which it is possible to ignite heavy hydrogen isotopes — tritium and deuterium. All this together is called "two-stage thermonuclear warhead."

With all due respect to North Korean scientists, designers and engineers, in whose genius the US associates continue to try to convince us for more than the first decade before the creation of thermonuclear weapons to North Korea ... no, not like the Moon, but much further. There are no “breakthroughs” here, they have nowhere to come from, and all the talk about mastering the North Korean specialists the secrets of nuclear fusion is purely antiscientific, but in reality purely propagandistic “spreading cranberries” aimed only at one thing - inflating the scale of the North Korean threat at any cost.

In fact, the DPRK has neither scientific, nor design, nor production, nor a test base for the creation of thermonuclear weapons. As the hero of the Central Asian epic Khoja Nasreddin, how many times you say the word “halva”, will not become sweet in your mouth. Fans can write off foreign publications about “hydrogen enhancement”, the author advises next time to at least look into the electronic “Wikipedia” and read there, for example, that if deuterium can be accumulated during multistage electrolysis of water, then an industrial nuclear reactor is needed for tritium production . Which is simply not in the DPRK. As well as there is no testing range for LV on the ultimate range, a nuclear warhead of tested design and much more. It is not a good idea to “treat with extraordinary ease” publications on topics that are directly related to the national security of the state in which you live and work. And the declared future deployment of an additional “portion” of American antimissiles in Alaska under the pretext of increasing the North Korean threat is the question of Russia's national security.

In the previous publication (“NVO” No. 18 from 08.06.2012), the author mentioned the reaction of some Western experts to the six new “serial” mobile ballistic missiles, designated KN-2012 and presented to the world by Western media as ICBMs, at the April 08 military parade. . Two German specialists - experts from the German firm Schmucker Technologie, Markus Schiller and Robert Schmucker, based only on a detailed study of photographs of the external appearance of these PH (and there are no other possibilities), concluded that for a number of reasons these PH: mock-ups, and, secondly, these mock-ups are crudely executed and, despite the stated seriality of products, even outwardly differ from each other. This gave German experts a reason to joke about the fact that the DPRK became the first country in the world that managed to demonstrate six different ICBMs in one parade.

Relatively recently, the media passed information that these same KN-08 either are about to be taken on alert, or it has already happened. Answering a question from a foreign journalist why the DPRK declares KN-08 as a PH ready for combat duty, the aforementioned Marcus Schiller said the following (the author’s literal translation): “Either they do some miracles, and such which no one in the world could do before them, they acquire the possibility of combat use of an extremely complex type of weapon even without a single flight test. Or whatever they do is just a show. Here, only the first or second is possible, and no average variants. I - for the second option. "

The author has nothing to add to this characteristic of the new North Korean "threat".

INFORMATION COMBAT ACTION

In his previous publication on North Korean issues (“NVO” No. 18 from 08.06.2012), the author tried to draw attention to the need for a weighted approach to evaluating open foreign information, since inflating the North Korean threat objectively works on the United States with its plans to create a global missile defense system. The author does not at all call for anti-American demonstrations in this regard. But, dear sirs, let us at least not further the spread of mythology on this subject. Unfortunately, too wide informational spaces are still too easy to get (as a rule, in the form of direct “tracing paper”), intentionally prepared information bulletins originated in the USA, South Korea, and Japan.

Let us take, for example, the statement of the North Korean side made on the eve of the third test that this time it will test "a more powerful and compact warhead." It passes the test, yes, it is about times more powerful than the previous one in terms of energy release in 2,3 – 3 (the author calls the most frequently repeated assessment here). And that is all. However, in the story on this topic, the federal TV channel comments that, on the eve of the tests, the experts assumed that a more powerful and compact warhead would be tested, and "the statement of the DPRK confirms this." What does it actually "confirm"? Never mind.

One could write a multi-volume book about how purposefully American journalists, “experts” and officials are lying about North Korean issues. I will give one example. 19 December 2012, a week after the North Korean launch of the spacecraft, the Washington Times published an article by Peter Vincent Praia, a former CIA employee and current official, entitled "Attack by North Korea using electromagnetic pulse (EMR) can destroy the United States now." Such is the optimistic and life-affirming title. Thesis content of this "masterpiece" is as follows:

- The DPRK now has an ICBM capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to the United States;
- North Korea has a compact nuclear charge;
- The DPRK has a weapon that can destroy the United States with one blow. It turns out that, in the summer of 2004, a group of Russian generals warned the US Congress on EMR that the secrets of super-EMR weapons had flowed to North Korea;
- it turns out that the first two nuclear tests of the DPRK were very similar to the tests of a super-EMP warhead, for the detrimental effect of which a large amount of energy released during an explosion is not needed;
- it turns out that there are Russian nuclear scientists in the DPRK who help the North Koreans to create a super-EMP warhead;
- in short, North Korea already now has a guaranteed opportunity to destroy the United States.

So, reader! But Mr. Pry is not a random person, he worked for some time in the mentioned commission of the Congress. And the newspaper, which published these fantasies, as it were, to say the least, is also not a publication of a provincial American town, where life has stopped since the United States gained independence. Nonsense, but after all it is published, and it does its work. Simple coincidence or not, after a couple of months, February 20 2013, the former head of the Livermore National Laboratory, John Foster, makes a call to create an EMI-weapon in the US, which she allegedly does not have. Poor America! And poor Mr. Pry, who lives in a country so unprotected from the North Korean foe!

This mister is also a pity because there is not a word of truth in his little article. Well, not one, except for the correct names of several states, as well as the term "EMP". This very electromagnetic pulse is one of the damaging factors of a nuclear weapon, its effect on electrical devices, wiring, cable lines and the like, which it literally burns out, was noted from the first atomic tests (the effect of the so-called Compton electrons). In the World Wide Web, God knows how many years the script “hangs”, according to which “enemy force” (read - Russia) blows up the geographical center of the United States at an altitude of 1 thousand km of a megaton class thermonuclear charge and EMR burns all electrical and electronics in the US Nobody and nothing is moving or working, and in a few days the USA turns into a primitive-communal society. Nobody denies the existence of an EMP weapon (by the way, not only nuclear, there are mobile non-nuclear installations). Nuclear gunsmiths have long learned to strengthen one or another damaging factor of nuclear weapons. But everything else in the article is a deliberate lie.

However, there are examples and "more fun" on one of the foreign Internet resources. The administrator of this site is John Pike, a brutal-looking mustache, a veteran of the American special services, and a certain Charles Vick is perhaps the only author of the “analytics” on the missile and nuclear programs of the DPRK and Iran. This is where you can read anything. And everything is served in a la scientific-analytical style, as a rule, with a mass of footnotes and references. At the same time there are dosed blotches of monstrous disinformation. For example, we are talking about the missile tests of the DPRK in 2006 year. At that time, the DPRK did not have (however, as it does not exist now) the tested overall weight model of a future nuclear warhead launched and dropped into the calculated place. Without his testing and testing, it’s frivolous to talk about the existence of a CU for a PH.

And the DPRK also does not have a range for firing at extreme distances. What, therefore, do the authors of this site do? They claim that six of the seven missiles launched at that time almost in a row went along a ballistic trajectory, and one precisely to work on the return of the prototype warhead to the ground was launched almost vertically upwards. And it is stated already after at least three countries (USA, South Korea and Japan) tracked and published in the media the trajectories of all seven missiles. It does not matter, the slogan "the more monstrous the lie, the sooner they will believe it" was invented before the authors of this site. And the fact that a ballistic missile cannot fly vertically upwards is also not a problem - well, who will pay attention to such “trifles”?

In another case, the reader could read on the Internet that several years ago the DPRK produced the 20 PH Tephodon, which are stored somewhere and are “waiting in the wings.” In the third case, the fact that in order to cause enormous damage to the United States for the North Korea, an ICBM is actually not needed, it is enough to send a North Korean fishing trawler to the US coast, from the hold of which near the US territorial waters will be launched damage to the territory of the United States by electromagnetic pulse.

The statement of the content of this kind of "analytics", I repeat, can take an infinitely long time. Nor does she deserve that. It is a pity that its individual samples are still easily in our country in print and electronic media, as well as on television screens. To the Russian "lovers" to publish all indiscriminately, the author has a question. Suppose next time the DPRK will announce that it has built, say, a super-laser, with which the laser thermonuclear feasible becomes feasible (gentlemen, do not bother to look for what it is, it’s important that in reality this facility is now only in the US , built in France, and should be built in the Russian Federation). And this is a complete "high-end" in this area, besides worth billions and billions of euro-dollars. Or, for example, the DPRK will declare that it has learned how to produce metallic hydrogen - one of the dreams of nuclear weapons gunsmiths. And you still let it all without any checking on your information tapes?

In last year’s publication, the author called on the relevant Russian departments to formally speak on this topic or at least publish their expert assessments that would help many understand the essence of the problems, remove monstrous errors and misrepresentations from their databases and generally feel more confident about being journalistic or research. table. No result yet. But this is by no means too late and still necessary, since the topics of the nuclear programs of the countries of the so-called Third World in connection with the creation of the US global missile defense system will not go away in the foreseeable future.
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  1. My address
    My address 27 October 2013 07: 06
    29
    Lord!
    How nice to read smart analytics!
    1. hommer
      hommer 27 October 2013 08: 00
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      Quote: My address
      How nice to read smart analytics!


      The author is well versed in the topic. There was his big analytical article in NVO - http://nvo.ng.ru/forces/2012-06-08-1_menaces.html. Article plus, sorry only one can be put.
      Good girl!
    2. Civil
      Civil 27 October 2013 08: 04
      +7
      article +, but even the Chinese do not control the DPRK
      1. alone
        alone 27 October 2013 11: 18
        +3
        I looked at the photo. Against the background of the people, who even suffer from lack of food, there is a completely obese offspring of the "leader", beautifully dressed and quite nourishing. And it's strange that even here there are people who justify it.

        It’s ridiculous to talk about the greatness of the regime that blackmails the world with nuclear tests, and in order not to do so, it’s ridiculous. It would be better to use the money that was used to build the mine for the welfare of its people.
        1. loisop
          loisop 27 October 2013 11: 51
          14
          It would be better if the best democracy in the world in the company of mongrel stopped economically strangling the Koreans. You look, and they did some other useful thing, and
          Quote: lonely
          for the welfare of his people
          go too would be enough.

          А develop in such conditions, indeed, without the greatness of the people it is impossible.
        2. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 27 October 2013 14: 29
          +1
          But not every country, including Russia, so recklessly told the Yankees that they were not who and did not call them like that. This people is 100 times stronger even in spirit than Russia.
          1. alone
            alone 27 October 2013 17: 43
            +1
            Quote: Varchun
            But not every country, including Russia, so recklessly told the Yankees that they were not who and did not call them like that. This people is 100 times stronger even in spirit than Russia.


            however, a spiritually strong country receives free food aid from its enemies. And where is this spirit and great pride?
      2. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 27 October 2013 14: 26
        0
        A donut goes the right way, the main thing is that they would not betray you in the back.
      3. don.kryyuger
        don.kryyuger 27 October 2013 17: 49
        0
        After a week of war, the whole army will scatter, mainly in South Korea.
    3. SHILO
      SHILO 27 October 2013 14: 26
      +1
      it’s enough to direct the North Korean fishing trawler to the US coast, from the hold of which a Scud with a nuclear warhead will be launched near the territorial waters of the United States to destroy the United States with an electromagnetic pulse.


      In the course of the article, I’m thinking over the idea of ​​a North Korean strategic trawler! what And here op fellow - Amerov specialists have already calculated everything! angry
  2. Jager
    Jager 27 October 2013 07: 23
    10
    The article is a definite plus! Everything is critically "sorted out", without unfounded statements and panic. From our side, it would be better for North Korea to declare that it is abandoning its nuclear program - this would knock out many supports under the moral reasons for the proliferation of the American missile defense system. They would rivet themselves quietly ... And if the "southern" decide to reunite the country by invasion, treat the foe with a couple of missiles.
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 27 October 2013 11: 04
      +8
      Quote: Jager
      For our part, it would be better for North Korea to declare that it is abandoning its nuclear program - this would have knocked out a lot of support under the moral reasons for the spread of Amer’s missile defense.

      They will not do it. In fact, the leadership of the DPRK is a young exhibitionist. He will throw out the causal device in front of the public, but he does not know what to do with it, and why it is really needed ...
      Although, Kim is the third and is youngsters. Ryahu corroded, but he won’t be able to get a little intelligence ...
      Quote: Jager
      And if the "southern" decide to reunite the country through an invasion, treat the foe with a couple of missiles

      The "South" will not solve this. They are not fools. They don't need war, they don't live badly anyway. Moreover, they will not start a war for this most notorious "unification". It is initially not beneficial to them, since the economy and the entire infrastructure of the mythical "united Korea" will have to be raised at the expense of South Korea ...
      And in Seoul, the people are pragmatic, and they understand perfectly well that this will undermine the economy of South Korea and undermine it thoroughly. Even taking into account foreign aid and injections ... So they will promote and popularize the thesis about the "unification of the two Koreas", but they will not do anything real for this. Moreover (I repeat) to start a war ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 27 October 2013 15: 32
        +3
        How easy! Let’s do something like that ... more complicated (smarter), let's try, huh? Well, for example, it was - North Korea was the unsinkable aircraft carrier of the USSR. The USSR did not become, fertilizers did not become, hunger began, but reluctance to die, moreover to hand over the power ...
        And the UK authorities are turning to the United States. With a very specific and mutually beneficial offer. Be a scarecrow. Crumple faces, jump with menacingly clenched fists, take a word. Americans throw props to Koreans, Koreans push menacingly ... through tenth hands, funds and some equipment come into the economy of the North. Great success compared to how the initially independent economy was simply abandoned to die. Very much, you know, all Korean movements fit the dance of the United States. Well, just one to one ...
    2. Fin
      Fin 27 October 2013 11: 41
      +4
      Quote: Jager
      They would rivet themselves quietly ...

      That's what I'm talking about. All countries that have nuclear weapons are well aware that this is a bluff, and express deep concern. As a child, Eun tries to surprise (intimidate) everyone with the "power" of the weapon even more. Even if he does something and everything will be shot down on the way to Japan. Amerikosov also profitable, loot from the budget to take on the "threat". There people are dying of hunger, and this ... is engaged.
      1. loisop
        loisop 27 October 2013 11: 56
        +2
        About
        Quote: Fin
        There people die of hunger
        can you reference? (if possible NOT with Ear Matzah)
  3. makarov
    makarov 27 October 2013 07: 50
    17
    ".... Two citizens of the DPRK - employees of the DPRK trade mission in Minsk - managed to contact the Yuzhnoye KB specialist in Dnepropetrovsk and offered him for money (attention, reader: as much as three thousand US dollars!) To provide secret information. civil conscience and turned to the local department of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU). The rest, as they say, was "a matter of technology" SBU ... "
    Not so simple in this world !!!
    In my opinion, as confirmed by open sources, everything was a little different:
    One Dnepropetrovsk clerk from pseudo-scientific circles, who has nothing to do with the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, on the Internet, in order to show his greatness, posted information about his importance. The Koreans fell for the Old, there was little correspondence, after which the defendant rushed to the SBU with a feverish delirium about recruitment. And since the SBU also needs indicators, work has begun. The figurant under the guidance of the curators invited the Koreans to Dnepropetrovsk, and gave them two copies of scientific dissertations, which actually did not have a stamp, but were wrapped in a cover with "secret" and "top secret" stamps, and they were detained there. Awards, encouragements, promotions fell on the "craftsmen", and the Koreans went to the "Stolypin" to serve the agreed term. I think they have already left "in half," and returned to their homeland as heroes and sufferers for their homeland.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 October 2013 08: 10
      +5
      Quote: makarov
      and offered him money (attention, reader: as much as three thousand US dollars!)

      For North Korea, 3 thousand bucks is not just big, it's a lot of money. Probably the whole country collected these 3 pieces of bucks, so that they could get her to a Ukrainian employee laughing
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 27 October 2013 09: 55
        12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Probably the whole country was collecting these 3 pieces of bucks so that they could get her a Ukrainian employee

        You are all "hakhanki", and yet another 100 "bucks", and Ukrainian secrets would "go away" ... wink
        1. catapractic
          catapractic 27 October 2013 12: 18
          0
          yep and pood sala laughing
          1. VARCHUN
            VARCHUN 27 October 2013 14: 33
            +4
            And the fat is here with ********, no one is not talking about Russia. and does not mention dumplings.
        2. vanaheym
          vanaheym 28 October 2013 06: 02
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          and the Ukrainian secrets would be "gone".

          Well, the campaign is not "Ukrainian secrets", but Russian - "Satan" is in service in the Russian Federation, and not in Ukraine.
      2. catapractic
        catapractic 27 October 2013 12: 17
        0
        laughing laughing laughing nothing more to say
        1. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 27 October 2013 14: 34
          +2
          You do not have anything because you are not utter darkness.
          1. catapractic
            catapractic 27 October 2013 18: 42
            +1
            do not get angry Varchun fat, I also love, and my mother is from Kiev and my grandfather died there at 41
  4. ZU-23
    ZU-23 27 October 2013 08: 07
    +1
    Yes, something I can’t believe that a rocket cannot reach the Americans at Juche, why do it then, because they don’t shoot at anyone anymore)))
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 27 October 2013 14: 45
      +3
      On bases of the USA in Japan it is possible to bang
  5. major071
    major071 27 October 2013 08: 10
    +8
    The author is undoubtedly a big plus. It can be seen that before writing the article he did a good analytical work, and did not begin to write from the bay-flounder. I read it with pleasure, the author makes me think. hi
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 27 October 2013 08: 27
    +5
    Great article!
    how the topic of nuclear missile programs of the countries of the so-called third world in relation to the creation of the US global missile defense system in the foreseeable future will not go anywhere
    Who's next in line? Nepal, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, again ... In general, there is someone to nod at the deployment of missile defense ...
  7. maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 27 October 2013 09: 09
    +2
    Thanks to the author for the work done. Very interesting analysis.
  8. Muxauk
    Muxauk 27 October 2013 09: 54
    +1
    the author very well revealed the topic, even to lovers like me, everything became clear. And what is a nuclear fusion look))
  9. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 27 October 2013 09: 57
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: makarov
    and offered him money (attention, reader: as much as three thousand US dollars!)

    For North Korea, 3 thousand bucks is not just big, it's a lot of money. Probably the whole country collected these 3 pieces of bucks, so that they could get her to a Ukrainian employee laughing

    this is how many dogs they had to sell?
  10. makarov
    makarov 27 October 2013 10: 06
    +2
    Quote: Corsair
    You are all "hakhanki", and yet another 100 "bucks", and Ukrainian secrets would "go away" ...

    Let me correct the phrase "Ukrainian secrets", which is probably correct.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 27 October 2013 12: 59
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      Let me correct the phrase "Ukrainian secrets", which is probably correct.

      If you are about "quotes", then why not ...
  11. cashpoint
    cashpoint 27 October 2013 10: 07
    +8
    The site needs to take an example with the most persistent nation in the world and tell the truth even more truthfully ..



    1. major071
      major071 27 October 2013 10: 36
      +6
      This is propaganda! We live poorly - but in the USA it is even worse. North Koreans are well brainwashed. stop I don’t know that everything is so bad in America.
      1. alone
        alone 27 October 2013 11: 21
        +4
        Quote: major071
        This is propaganda! We live poorly - but in the USA it is even worse. North Koreans are well brainwashed. I don’t know that everything is so bad in America.


        wassat Yes. Imagine everything in America is so bad that every year "hungry" America sends hundreds of millions of dollars in free food aid to North Korea. lol
        1. smile
          smile 27 October 2013 14: 12
          +3
          alone
          :))) The Americans send to the UK not help, but a tribute! And they themselves drink snow at this time, sitting on the corpses of their comrades, vigilantly peering at rare birds that do not risk flying through the Potomac, because from hunger it’s not enough to fly to the middle ... :))) Downhole movie! :)))
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          2. alone
            alone 27 October 2013 18: 01
            +1
            yeah, and the funniest thing is that some people believe in it)))))))))))))))))
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 27 October 2013 20: 12
      +1
      The video was shot partly in Moscow and hardly by the Koreans (the Soviet army tent is visible) - this is as usual the Russians are brainwashed, Korean propaganda is a class higher and the USA is shown differently - as an adversary with errors in worldview, and not as tramps. Because in DPRK there cannot be 2 different propaganda, then this video is a fake for our brains.
      1. Tyumen
        Tyumen 27 October 2013 22: 56
        0
        You, as always, are not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. !
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 27 October 2013 23: 25
          0
          They began to lie with mocking arrogance, this is not accepted and the sign is bad.
  12. Dovmont
    Dovmont 27 October 2013 10: 17
    +2
    The article is very interesting, but I still do not understand: will the EMP from the explosion of a megaton charge over the geographical center of Pindoshalim destroy its electrical networks or is it just another "duck"? To be honest, I used to trust this information!
  13. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 27 October 2013 10: 24
    +3
    Yes, a balanced and thoughtful article. It's nice to read and speculate with the author. It's a pity, of course, that along with such well-reasoned models, sometimes simply moronic in content and in essence "creations" coexist. Respect to the author.
  14. svp67
    svp67 27 October 2013 10: 29
    +1
    Alexander Likholetov - "Bravo" for you, article "+". I would like to see the work of this author on topwar.ru more than once
  15. Arkan
    Arkan 27 October 2013 11: 02
    +4
    Here is the analysis! Interested countries can write anything in their media, but our media do not have the right to reprint nonsense that is harmful to our country.
  16. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 27 October 2013 11: 06
    +1
    I knew that all this window dressing is only window dressing. Well, a country that feeds on rice alone cannot create nuclear forces.
  17. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 27 October 2013 11: 35
    +4
    Any self-respecting state keeps nuclear development and rocket technology particularly tough. In this case, all sorts of legends and masking processes are necessarily created. Therefore do hasty conclusions about the North Korean nuclear program and its rocket science are not needed. The fact that a country isolated from the outside world can repeat the 50-60 rocket science technologies of those years deserves respect.
  18. loisop
    loisop 27 October 2013 11: 45
    +3
    On December 19, 2012, a week after the North Korean launch of the spacecraft, the Washington Times published an article by Peter Vincent Pray, a former CIA official and current official, entitled "An attack on North Korea using an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) could destroy the United States now."


    Translated into a human, it means: "boss, the truncated is gone, urgently give more money!"
  19. voliador
    voliador 27 October 2013 13: 24
    +3
    Well, it’s profitable for the North Koreans to scarecrows to make money for military expenses.
  20. n-kama
    n-kama 27 October 2013 13: 24
    0
    Well, the times have gone)
  21. Volkhov
    Volkhov 27 October 2013 14: 03
    +3
    A smaller expert would lie about 16 engines of the 1st stage ...

    And what a big hoax - Korean missiles or an article ... DPRK in the empire and they really do not need to deal with space and atom, this is all done without them, their task is the classic infantry warfare and they coped with it perfectly, complementing high technologies without soldiers.
  22. Migari
    Migari 27 October 2013 14: 49
    +2
    Quote: ZU-23
    Yes, something I can’t believe that a rocket cannot reach the Americans at Juche, why do it then, because they don’t shoot at anyone anymore)))

    Weapons, in any country, are both for defense and for a retaliatory strike, and it is not necessary for Korean missiles to fly to the same Los Angeles, US bases are nearby stumbled, in the same unfriendly Japan, for example.
  23. individual
    individual 27 October 2013 19: 27
    +2
    The fact that North Korea is looking for all the possibilities to protect itself from growling predators is a fact.
    But the United States is pumping up the whole point of the North Korean nuclear threat to justify its saturation of all types of weapons in the Pacific region for China and Russia to dictate their power, and the DPRK is just an excuse.
    The author has consistently and scientifically revealed the topic of this threat.
  24. starhina01
    starhina01 27 October 2013 20: 10
    0
    the author undoubtedly + very competently disclosed this topic good with all understanding, the North Koreans on a campaign specifically went to all this too many advantages from this behavior and the us and the DPR hi
  25. Denis_469
    Denis_469 27 October 2013 20: 40
    +3
    The author is also far from reality, like those whom he criticizes. In the article, most of the information is reliable, but there is also a bunch of frankly not reliable information.

    It would be nice if the author read something about the real state of nuclear weapons in the DPRK before writing such nonsense.

    There were once articles on this site where it was written about the outdated and obsolete DPRK helicopters. He wrote the same professional as this one.
    I wonder what he will be able to say if he finds out about the fact that the DPRK offered its version of the Uranium anti-ship missile system for sale at the exhibition of armaments before last, and back in 2002 (I don't remember exactly) the Korean Mi-35 shot down a South Korean "Apache". Where did all this come from, perhaps God only knows? Or is it not for him alone? Yes, there were photographs of a Korean missile boat with the Moskit anti-ship missile system. Where did these missiles come from? By the way, the image was satellite. The Americans took off and gasped.
    So maybe with those KN-08s, too, not everything is as smooth as this author wrote here? It’s worth thinking about it. And the author and those reading this opus.
  26. alexander 2
    alexander 2 27 October 2013 23: 49
    0
    S. Korea is trying to get nuclear weapons for one simple reason, without it kirdyk. Examples of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, etc. before your eyes. By the way, the Americans do not hurt then climb S. Korea, they are afraid.
  27. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 28 October 2013 00: 44
    0
    Great article, thanks! Another point that the author did not mention: the military activity and aggressiveness of North Korea are strictly correlated with the problems of financing the US military-industrial complex. There is only one conclusion from this: this fat puppy is recruited by the USA, draws a line that is beneficial to the USA. All these theatrical performances with papier-mâché rockets and engines from Chinese crackers for the dumb Amer populace. One thing is striking: contempt and hatred for their own long-suffering people. I believe that the SVR should identify the communication channel of the fat city of the avnyuk and publish its communication. This will lead to excellent results: the United States will lose its arguments for the growth and preservation of the defense industry’s budget, Korea will unite by saying thanks to Russia and replacing Japan in terms of economic development, the world will become calmer. hi
  28. Horn
    Horn 28 October 2013 07: 56
    0
    An external enemy is necessary to distract attention from internal problems.
  29. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 28 October 2013 09: 29
    +1
    Any country, as if it did not consider itself strong, should not deprive its people and keep it in a half-starved state.