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Source: First Russian “Mistral” will be equipped with French boats

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The first Russian helicopter landing ship-dock (DVKD) of the Mistral type Vladivostok will be equipped with four French-made amphibious boats, a source in the Russian military-industrial complex responsible for military shipbuilding said on Tuesday.


Source: First Russian “Mistral” will be equipped with French boats


“At the Vladivostok DVKD, when it is completed, French specialists will install four French-made amphibious assault boats, intended for the delivery of marines to the coast,” the source said, ITAR-TASS reports.



“Boats will be placed inside the ship. Their cost is included in the amount of the contract, no additional payments will be made, ”he specified.
The source stressed that all four French landing craft will be fully integrated into the command and control system of the Vladivostok.

"Naturally, these boats will be equipped with Russian weapons, including artillery, as well as Russian radio electronic and electronic weapons systems, ”he added.



The source confirmed that the DVKD Vladivostok will come from the French Saint-Nazaire to the shipyard "Severnaya Verf" in St. Petersburg to install weapons and continue testing in November 2014 of the year.

Before moving to Russia, “Vladivostok” will be completed, retrofitted afloat and undergo factory tests in France. During them, French-made ship systems will be tested and tested.
“It is assumed that Vladivostok will be equipped with Russian weapons systems, undergo factory sea and state tests in Russia during 2015, after which it will be accepted into the Navy and transferred to the Pacific the fleet for military service, ”the source said.
“Thus, the first Russian Mistral will not be part of our Navy before the late autumn of 2015,” he concluded.

Earlier, a solemn ceremony of launching the hull of the first Russian Mistral-type helicopter carrier “Vladivostok” took place at the French shipyard San Nazaire, the construction of which was launched on February 1 of the year 2012. The ship’s first launch into the sea is scheduled for March 2014 of the year, and its transfer to Russia will take place on November 1 of the year 2014.

The Ministry of Defense reported that Russia would take a decision on the acquisition of two more Mistral-type helicopter carriers at least one year after the first Vladivostok ship began operating.



Rosoboronexport and DCNS in June 2011 of the year signed a contract to build the first two Mistral-type helicopter carriers (Vladivostok and Sevastopol) for the Russian Navy. The contract amount is 1,2 billion euros. Russian United Shipbuilding Corporation is involved in the deal as a subcontractor of the French shipyard STX France in Saint-Nazaire. The ships will install the latest Russian shock and defensive weapon systems, including supersonic cruise missiles.

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  1. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 23 October 2013 07: 04 New
    +2
    What is the carrying capacity of these boats, speed and seaworthiness in bad weather, is there any protection against small arms?
    1. Civil
      Civil 23 October 2013 07: 33 New
      0
      Then buy transport turntables too, since 29 still smells like
      1. Joker
        Joker 23 October 2013 20: 46 New
        +2
        Then buy transport turntables too, since 29 still smells like

        There would be American, it would be possible, but the French are not very. Again, you have to finish them, retrain pilots, in general, a lot of problems. While there is an order for the KA-52, and there and 29-ki will catch up.
  2. aktanir
    aktanir 23 October 2013 07: 26 New
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    Now, apparently, a discussion will begin again on the disadvantages of choosing foreign manufacturers of equipment ... For me personally, the main thing is that the French do the Mistrals and boats for us very quickly. Ours are still more engaged in sawing, dividing, and ships seem to be specially built for years, requiring endless funding. So I am in favor of two more "Mistrals" being ordered and made jointly with the French. And the military will figure it out correctly about their need and use. Now the fleet is in dire need of combat units.
    1. Edward72
      Edward72 23 October 2013 08: 54 New
      12
      And no comments
    2. creak
      creak 23 October 2013 10: 59 New
      +6
      Following the logic of some guardians of the Russian one, let the ships not be at all what they will be built by the French ... During the Soviet Union, despite all ideological contradictions, this issue was approached very pragmatically, before the war, ships were ordered and designed including in Germany and Italy (who was in power then)? These ships were very useful to our Navy during the war ... And civilian ships were ordered at all in other countries, since the capacities of domestic shipyards were chronically lacking ... Therefore, one should not worry about the construction of ships abroad, but about the deplorable state of the domestic shipbuilding ...
      1. aktanir
        aktanir 23 October 2013 14: 20 New
        +1
        totally agree and plus
    3. shpuntik
      shpuntik 23 October 2013 14: 53 New
      +1
      aktanir RU Today, 07:26 AM New
      Now, apparently, a discussion will begin again on the minuses of the choice of foreign manufacturers of equipment ...

      And, there is nothing to discuss here, "the bug is understandable." You are talking about economics, tell me then: is it economical to drag half of the hull in tugs? Not funny?
      For me personally, the main thing is that the French do the Mistrals and boats for us very quickly.

      We made half of the hull on time, and we are making hulls faster than others. The hitch comes with cooperation, everything is developed, it is necessary to collect. But for some reason we need a French BIUS ..
      Ours are still more involved in sawing, dividing and ships as if specially built for years, requiring endless funding.

      Are you talking about the management of factories? And who gave them the go-ahead? Rhetorical question - people from the same team that orders the Mistral.
      And as for their need and application, the military themselves will correctly figure it out.

      That is: first build, and then figure out what they are for? The military did not speak out for what they were. Nobody wants to disgrace all over the country. We have that the concept has changed? Where to land? In case of war and landing there is a BDK.
      Now the fleet really needs combat units.

      That's the point, but different. The helicopter carrier is not for landing ashore, but for PLO, such as this project: Project 10200 "Halzan", speed 26 knots.
      But ... Here the partners do not understand. request


  3. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 23 October 2013 07: 30 New
    +2
    But I’m still interested in the combat capabilities of these boats.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 23 October 2013 07: 39 New
      +1
      Do we have analogues?
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 23 October 2013 07: 56 New
        +3
        quote- “At the DVKD“ Vladivostok ”, when completed by French specialists, four high-speed landing troops will be installed French-made boatsdestined for delivery to the sea coast of the marine corps, ”the source said, ITAR-TASS reports.

        Survived am first the helicopter carrier is shoved, then the boats are shoved, you see, they will begin to shove and fuel French production.
        1. MilaPhone
          MilaPhone 23 October 2013 09: 23 New
          +4
          The fact that 4 is bad. I was hoping that they would buy L-CAT Boats, but only TWO can fit in the Mistral - so it’s not them!
          And it’s a pity, because we don’t have anyone like that:
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 23 October 2013 09: 30 New
            +2
            So bought the old CTM:
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 23 October 2013 09: 47 New
              +6
              Yes, only NG - modernized TDK in general. Well, in general, this is better than customizing the Chamois (the French have larger barges with the same number) or sawing their own boats.
            2. waisson
              waisson 23 October 2013 09: 49 New
              +6
              there was not enough money for new
        2. avt
          avt 23 October 2013 10: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: Apollon
          We survived, at first the helicopter carrier shoves, then the boats shove

          request Well, that was understandable from the very beginning, why be surprised and indignant? What, it was not clear that the French were making a single landing system and that the docking camera was designed specifically for their boats, as well as the below-deck space for their helicopters?
          Quote: Milafon
          I was hoping that they would buy L-CAT Boats, but only TWO can fit in the Mistral - so it’s not them!

          laughing Iron logic - two times, it’s not for them, but a kayak will fit in unmeasured. Maybe they did it for them initially?
          Quote: Milafon
          The fact that 4-d is bad.

          This is a set for TWO ships that we actually ordered and one we have already done.
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          2. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 23 October 2013 10: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: avt
            The iron logic is two times, then it’s not for them, but the kayak will fit in a lot. Maybe they did it for them initially? Quote: Milafon That 4 is bad. This is a kit for TWO ships that we actually ordered and already made one.

            Dear you read the article?
            “At the Vladivostok DVKD, when it is completed, French specialists will install four French-made amphibious assault boats, intended for the delivery of marines to the coast,” the source said, ITAR-TASS reports.
            1. avt
              avt 23 October 2013 10: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: Milafon
              Dear you read the article?

              request So what ? The first time journalists confuse? When did they bother themselves with technical, and indeed details, or are private labels high-speed? Let's wait and see. But the fact that ours and "Serna" and "Dugong" do not fit in a normal set, have already written on the site too. So two by two, well, are they not quite crazy there? But if, of course, you are right, then yes! This will be the number!
              1. MilaPhone
                MilaPhone 23 October 2013 12: 31 New
                +4
                Quote: avt
                So what ? The first time journalists confuse? When did they bother themselves with technical, and indeed details, or are private labels high-speed? Let's wait and see. But the fact that ours and "Serna" and "Dugong" do not fit in a normal set, have already written on the site too. So two by two, well, are they not quite crazy there? But if, of course, you are right, then yes! This will be the number!

                Yes, let's wait. I'd love to have L-CAT.
                About zhurnalyug and "high-speed" I agree. Maybe they generally meant Zodiac? smile
        3. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 23 October 2013 10: 26 New
          +2
          Apollon - in any case, it has already been written that technical lubricants are only branded from the same custodians! it’s scary to imagine how much it will cost, and how much it will all be taken away ... angry
        4. shpuntik
          shpuntik 23 October 2013 14: 30 New
          +1
          Apollon AZ Today, 07:56 AM ↑ New
          We survived, at first the helicopter carrier shoves, then the boats shove, you see French-made fuel will start shoving.

          I agree, +. Then add the French paratroopers from the "Legion", all the same contract soldiers, pay that way. But our whole will be DShB. fellow
          This "fornicator" (Mistral), in the same chain with the abolition of visas with Europa-French lodge, curators of the GDP.
  4. Guilty
    Guilty 23 October 2013 08: 02 New
    0
    The main thing is not to start shoving their marines. And their seas. And all sorts of lines. "Maginot", etc.
  5. awg75
    awg75 23 October 2013 08: 11 New
    +2
    why not ?
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 23 October 2013 08: 59 New
    +4
    Something is not clear - the boats are French, and their weapons and communications are ours. This time. The control system of Mistral itself is French, our weapons, our electronic equipment. What kind of monster are they collecting ????
    The second time I see the mention of supersonic CR (RCC ??), is it a typo of journalists or will they really stick in a dozen clubs (it’s not clear - what for)
    1. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone 23 October 2013 09: 16 New
      +1
      I also heard that with NATO supersonic cruise missiles Caliber according to the codification of NATO: SS-N-27 “Sizzler” (English “incinerator”) manufactured by OKB “Novator”.
      Launcher layout:
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 23 October 2013 11: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      The second time I see the mention of supersonic CR (RCC ??), is it a typo of journalists or will they really stick in a dozen clubs (it’s not clear - what for)

      In the first two, there will be no missiles, except for the "flexible" air defense, Ak-630 and Utesov. But if decisions are made to build two more, then they want to change the project a little and stuff it with weapons.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 23 October 2013 13: 52 New
        +1
        But if they decide to build two more

        That's it! If ... The presence of a KR on board the landing ship automatically translates it into the category of "cruisers". This means that this is no longer just a barge for transporting troops, but the most natural strike ship. Also with the landing.
        I can't even imagine how many "calibers" you can put there ...
    3. sakmagon
      sakmagon 23 October 2013 12: 03 New
      0
      yes it’s normal to inspect Indian drying according to the nomenclature of the equipment installed on them, it is precisely such monsters that are, our weapons, plus a mix of French, Israeli, local Indian and so on. and nothing good planes
    4. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2013 12: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      What kind of monster are they collecting ????

      Chimera, but God willing, the hybrid will be viable, and most importantly effective.
  7. waisson
    waisson 23 October 2013 09: 14 New
    0
    happy that the weapons and electronics on them will be ours
    1. avt
      avt 23 October 2013 10: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: waisson
      electronics on them will be ours

      request Yeah? What a news ! Can you tell me why you bought them then? And why did the admirals rejoice like children when talking about the French control system for everyone and everything ,,, Zenith "seems, while others moaned about the possibility of" bookmarks "and its refusal at the right moment for common people, giving examples of electronic equipment in Iraq?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 23 October 2013 10: 13 New
        +3
        Zenith is one thing. Radar, control systems for our equipment, etc. will be ours. The landing system will be ours, but the aircraft wing operating system (not directly included in Zenith) will be French. Ah, there is still a residential block compacted, so the comfort by our standards will be fantastic, but not like that of a Frenchman.
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 23 October 2013 15: 10 New
          0
          donavi49 UA Today, 10:13 PM ↑ New
          Radar, control systems for our equipment, etc. will be ours

          "Control systems for our equipment" - what kind of equipment? Only air defense, as I understand it. Helicopters, apparently, will not be ours.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 23 October 2013 19: 08 New
            +1
            Various equipment, in addition to weapons systems.

            Helicopters will be ours, in the first stage:
            Ka-29 (the first batch is already under repair), Ka-27PS and Ka-52K (the first experimental ones were promised to be raised this year, but so far not heard, the GOZom Progress is littered so that people spend their nights and nights).

            Then there will be Ka-29M (a new face and project is being developed at the moment), Ka-27M (already flying, undergoing tests) and Ka-52K.
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 23 October 2013 20: 17 New
              0
              Major General
              donavi49 UA Today, 19: 08 ↑
              Helicopters will be ours, in the first stage:
              Ka-29 (the first batch is already under repair), Ka-27PS and Ka-52K.

              If so, then not bad. A problem with the hangar was heard, apparently they did more.
              Let's see what happens. In about fifteen years, there will be peacekeeping operations in fifteen years. Or chasing pirates. what In general, the second "superjet", I assume that only two will be built. In general, whoever survives will see ...
  8. donavi49
    donavi49 23 October 2013 09: 48 New
    +7
    By the way, the current photo of Vladivostok. We Build rocket Buyans for a similar time build.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 23 October 2013 15: 23 New
      0
      donavi49 UA Today, 09:48 New
      By the way, the current photo of Vladivostok. We Build rocket Buyans for a similar time build.

      The Mistral has not yet been built. When the Navy accepts, then we'll talk. There is no need to catch up with our shipbuilders: "Buyan" was built and commissioned in 2 years 6 months. And this is the lead ship. As if about "Mistral" did not then shout that he was "experimental". Whoever lives will see.
      "The lead ship was laid down in January 2004, and in November 2005 it was launched and sea trials were carried out in the Baltic Sea. On September 1, 2006, the IAC under the name" Astrakhan "entered the Navy." http://www.e-vid.ru/index-m-192-p-63-article-34438.htm

  9. Vladimir M.V.
    Vladimir M.V. 23 October 2013 10: 03 New
    +5
    The amount of the contract amounted to 1,2 billion euros.

    Is this for 2 ships with 8 boats and technology? But, somewhere the floor of the ship we built at our shipyards and paid "ours" from this amount or additionally...?
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/42432/
    Where are they taking?

    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 October 2013 10: 08 New
      +4
      They are taken to the outfitting wall, where the completion and loading of equipment will be carried out.

      At prices, this is a general contract, along with our part. By the way, Sevastopol in Saint-Nazaire is already being assembled at an accelerated pace, but so far only the formation of the skeleton of the aft part has been made in the BR.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 23 October 2013 10: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir M.V.
        But, somewhere we built half of the ship at our shipyards and paid "ours" from this amount or in addition ...?

        Our French already pay - as a subcontractor.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 23 October 2013 11: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir M.V.
      But, somewhere we built half of the ship at our shipyards and paid "ours" from this amount or in addition ...?

      Everything is included in the general estimate, the construction agreement indicated that 40 percent of the work would be done by Russia.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 23 October 2013 11: 55 New
        +2
        A bit wrong. Under the 100 contract, the contractor receives% of the funds, but he is obliged to allocate the agreed part of these funds to the agreed Russian contractor to perform% of the work on the first and second ships.

        At the same time,% of the jobs vary, the first has a smaller% of the work performed by Russian companies, and the second has a larger one.
  10. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2013 12: 14 New
    +2
    The Ministry of Defense reported that Russia would take a decision on the acquisition of two more Mistral-type helicopter carriers at least one year after the first Vladivostok ship began operating.

    This is good, life itself will show it is needed, it is not needed, otherwise this daisy is tired of it. How many copies were broken in these discussions, both among the military and ours. Operation and God forbid, combat use will put everything in its place.