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Kyrgyzstan showed at the door, Romania opened the door

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Kyrgyzstan. Center for transit traffic, the former US Air Force base "Manas". The United States Department of Defense is starting to remove the TSC from Kyrgyz territory. In this case, all the objects that were occupied by the US military at the Manas airport will be transferred to the Kyrgyz government.




The air base in Manas (about 20 km from the capital of Kyrgyzstan) began its work almost immediately after the coalition forces entered the active phase of the operation in Afghanistan. Initially, airplanes of various countries participating in the Afghan war (France, Spain, Italy, etc.) were stationed on the territory of the military base in addition to the United States, of course. Moreover, it was either refueling aircraft or heavy-duty military transport C-130. Then the American side began to negotiate with the Kyrgyz authorities on how to get an opportunity aviation expand the base through the use of its territory to accommodate a group of early warning aircraft.

Until 2005, there were no specific complaints about the Manas airbase from the Kyrgyz authorities. However, then the newly-minted president of Kyrgyzstan, Kurmanbek Bakiyev, decided that from the western "allies" one could "fuck" a little more than what they were offering for renting the territory for the air base at the moment. Bakiyev’s first demands were for the West to increase pay for finding a military airbase in Kyrgyzstan almost 14 times, although the Americans went for a much smaller increase in pay. Against this background, active calls for the closure of the military airbase "Manas" began to appear in Kyrgyzstan. Bakiyev immediately realized that in such a situation one could “fuck” not only from the Americans and other representatives of the Western coalition, but also from other “partners”, namely from the Russian Federation. Bakiyev’s move was as follows: within the country, he states that the base can continue its work if the West significantly increases funding, otherwise the Manas base will be closed; Bakiev assured Russia that the airbase would be closed anyway, for which Moscow also had to fork out.

This game Bakiyev noticed in Moscow and in Washington. At the same time, Washington even accused the Russian authorities of exerting pressure on Kurmanbek Bakiyev so that the Kyrgyz president would close Manas (not the airport, but the airbase, of course). Official Moscow then announced that it did not understand the pressure of the representatives of the American administration.
In 2008-2009, the process of "closing" the air base began. The Kyrgyz authorities announced that American, French, Italian and other representatives of the coalition forces were leaving Manas. All agreements have already been signed, but suddenly it turned out that the Afghan government decided to ask the Kyrgyz authorities to assist them "in restoring Afghanistan." What is the kind of help that should have been expressed? And it’s exactly that the Manas airbase was not closed ... Did the idea of ​​a "fraternal" assistance to Afghanistan by Kyrgyzstan come directly to Hamid Karzai’s head, or someone suggested something to him - as they say, we can guess ...

As a result, in the 2009 year, the Manas airbase was “closed”, but in its place a Transit Transportation Center appeared, which is still active today.

A number of experts claim that it was this double game of Kurmanbek Bakiyev that subsequently cost him the presidency, which the new president, Almazbek Atambaev, occupied in 2011.

From the moment Almazbek Atambayev came to power in Kyrgyzstan, the talk about the complete collapse of the Manas TSS base has resumed. At the same time, the new Kyrgyz leader preferred to discuss the option of closing the base-TSC (which is called American) in more detail, including with the Russian Federation.

After a series of negotiations with different parties, the decision to close the TSC was taken. According to this decision, the US military should completely leave the leased area before the summer of next year. The Kyrgyz authorities explain this by the fact that by this time the operation in Afghanistan itself must end (according to Barack Obama), and therefore there will be no need for the TPC.

The Pentagon reacted calmly to the decision of the Kyrgyz authorities, but with a certain Örniche ...

The Pentagon press service issued a statement:

The United States respects the decision of the government of Kyrgyzstan to stop deploying TSCs after more than 12 years and intends to continue to support the democratic and economic development of Kyrgyzstan.


Translated from the US-Pentagon to the human, it sounds like this: 12 years, you know, placed-placed, paid money, and then - on you! - they decided ... But we will follow your democratic and economic affairs - we will not go anywhere!

According to the same press service of the main US military department, the work on curtailing the activities of the Transit Center in Kyrgyzstan has already begun.

And where are the American partners going to transfer their TSC, because again, according to Obama, the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan is about to enter the active phase?

It turned out that American friends expressed a strong desire to shelter the Romanian side. This was first stated by Pentagon spokeswoman Cathy Wilkinson, and then this information was confirmed in Bucharest. Now all the equipment that is currently located on the territory of the Transmission Center "Manas" will be gradually transferred to the Romanian Constanza, to the airport. Kogalnichanu. And the process has already started, as they say.

By the way, in order to transfer servicemen and equipment to the territory of Romania, Americans do not need to conclude agreements with Bucharest. All the agreements that are necessary for this were concluded even when Condoleezza Rice was in charge of the main US department of foreign affairs. According to those agreements (sample of December 2005 of the year), the Romanian side undertakes to provide the American side with the necessary space for its military personnel and military equipment. Prescribed in those agreements and the option of using the Constanza’s WFP, as well as polygons in the Danube Delta.

Americans have already used some of these facilities for military operations in the Middle East. Now, apparently, on the Romanian US military bases activity will become even more vigorous.

PS On the territory of Russia, NATO’s “logistics center” also operates, but for now, rather on paper. Since the establishment of the central heating point in Ulyanovsk, only one trial delivery of goods has passed through the center. At the same time, there are three main versions why the center did not work. One of them-did not agree on the price, the second-the loss of interest in transit through Ulyanovsk by NATO members themselves, the third-the political friction of the United States and Russia. The official statement of the officials of the North Atlantic Alliance: the transit of goods through Ulyanovsk is too expensive. The word “expensive” here, apparently, can be interpreted in different senses ...
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  1. shpuntik
    shpuntik 21 October 2013 08: 01
    28
    What are these Romanians to us, they have always been like this: Napoleon, they are with him, Hitler does not mind.
    Well, the ShA, of course, is oppressing its own line, for example:
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 21 October 2013 08: 55
      +4
      States always bend in their direction. It doesn’t matter which - the main thing in your ...
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 21 October 2013 10: 13
        10
        Serg 122 RU Today, 08:55 ↑ New
        States always bend in their direction. It doesn’t matter which - the main thing in your ...

        Bend over. Bend down. yes
      2. Airman
        Airman 21 October 2013 10: 41
        +3
        Quote: Serg 122
        States always bend in their direction. It doesn’t matter which - the main thing in your ...

        Romanians as they were Sorry HERE Which country, and remained.
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 21 October 2013 13: 19
          +1
          The fate of Ceausescu, Gaddafi, Hussein taught the rulers of the countries - if you don't want to submit - the United States will "support democratic and economic development." They will send a good two-in-one tool - an aircraft carrier.
          1. SkiF_RnD
            SkiF_RnD 21 October 2013 22: 28
            +1
            Who will the aircraft carrier be sent to? Kyrgyzstan? laughing
            I want to see it!
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 21 October 2013 18: 17
          +3
          Quote: Povshnik
          Romanians as they were Sorry HERE Which country, and remained.

          My grandmother told me that the Romanians committed atrocities the most when Hitler attacked the USSR, now against the background of Moldovan nationalists and speeches of "reunification" with Romania, problems with the PMR and other things ...
          According to the schedule and the presence of the US soldiers on their territory .. in general, they should start barking excitedly and start another provocation and "heel in the chest" that will tear usheh ... hold me seven .. (NATO).
  2. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 21 October 2013 08: 01
    +7
    It turns out that Kyrgyzstan has more sovereignty and independence. than with novels
    1. fklj
      fklj 21 October 2013 09: 30
      +6
      The Kyrgyz have a good sponsor. In the north. But if anything, the Americans will be called back.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 21 October 2013 12: 36
      +1
      Romania with one foot in the European Union, they need money, so they are leaning in front of the States, they have joined NATO.
      Kyrgyzstan is far from Europe, neighbors want to extinguish the claims, friends with powerful countries.
      1. Beck
        Beck 21 October 2013 12: 52
        -4
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Kyrgyzstan is far from Europe, neighbors want to extinguish the claims, friends with powerful countries.


        And what kind of crap they’ll not write. In Central Asia, no one has territorial claims on each other. The borders have long been demarcated and no one has any complaints.

        Even in a false historical aspect. Type donny give Donbass, Crimea, the northern regions of Kazakhstan, as if Russia has little land. We live in today's realities, not in the past. And no one is stirring up history, although they could.

        For example, Turkmenistan could yell - give Kazakhstan Mangyshlak. Once upon a time, according to history, the Turkmens lived there, but at one time they were supplanted by the Kazakhs. Or Kazakhstan could lay claim to the Karakalpak Autonomous Region of Uzbekistan. This region was transferred to the composition of the Kazakh SSR to Uzbekistan in the 30s of the 20th century.

        But calm and good, friendly relations with neighbors are much more expensive than the screaming ora.
        1. smile
          smile 21 October 2013 17: 06
          +1
          Beck
          Hello.
          And tell me, please, what your warriors are shouting when they go on the attack - you have to call your compatriots somehow, well, those Natsiks who are only engaged in this, who invent non-existent sins of the Russians before the Kazakhs. recall historical events and in general, at the slightest occasion, howl about it. that all Russians are fascists and generally bad radishes. Look at the thread on Russian migration from Kazakhstan. You are amazed. where did they get so much hatred for the Russians. And it becomes terribly interesting - are you all there, or did you get to this site only? :)))
          So, I ask you to answer the question - you need to give some kind of cliche, since you cannot but use nicknames for us. :)))
          1. Lindon
            Lindon 21 October 2013 19: 13
            -2
            And that there will be no base in Atyrau?
            Russian forums squeaked in hysteria like corrupt Kazakhs?
            You wonder how Russian broadcasts labels on all.
            Why so much hatred for the Kazakhs?
            1. smile
              smile 21 October 2013 19: 59
              -1
              Lindon
              Despite the frantic nationalistic screech :))) of some of your compatriots on this site, including yours, we positively regard the Kazakhs as a whole. Bay only on small and petty shameless Natsik like you. In response to Russophobian statements ... or should we leave your attacks unanswered?

              I don’t know whether there will be an American base in Atyrau, but don’t stutter about shortcuts to someone whose thinking consists of these shortcuts. :))) And let's not talk about what your Natsik squeak on your sites-compared with them, this site is the standard of tolerance - a comparison is not in your favor, and you know it perfectly. Although, judging by the fact that you are not able to apologize and admit mistakes, Russophobia is a normal thing for you. you don’t see anything strange in it ... :)))

              By the way, since Beck is silent, maybe you can tell me which battle cry is accepted in your army — I have already identified the reasons for my curiosity. :)))
          2. Beck
            Beck 21 October 2013 20: 22
            +1
            Quote: smile
            And tell me, please, what your warriors cry when they go on the attack


            In ancient times they shouted different things, tribal cries - uraniums shouted. But the common cry was UR - hit, beat. In an equestrian attack, this was stretched into the URRRRR, and with an exhalation A. Rusichi took it into the famous Russian URA.

            Quote: smile
            those Natsiks who only do what they invent


            Natsik is everywhere, but they do not determine the public opinion of the country. Or do you refuse Kazakhstan the sovereign right of all the peoples of the world to have their Natsik.

            Quote: smile
            invent non-existent sins of Russians before Kazakhs. recall historical events and in general, at the slightest occasion, howl about it. what all Russian fascists and generally bad radishes.


            Basically inadequate statements of our Natsiks are the answer only to your Natsiks who shout, give Northern Kazakhstan. And historical transgressions were, but not of the Russian people, but of the Russian colonial empire.

            Quote: smile
            Look at the thread on Russian migration from Kazakhstan. You are amazed. where did they get so much hatred for the Russians.


            And here do not LIE. Listened to the inappropriate talk of inadequate. Nobody drove the Russians. It was their sovereign desire to live in their historic homeland. Kazakhstan does not have enough manpower, not to drive someone. And what is interesting, about 80% of Germans, many Greeks, Caucasians left their homelands from Kazakhstan, but none of them got to the point of yelling that they were being expelled. Out of 200 thousand Kazakhs of Mongolia 100 thousand moved to Kazakhstan to us. In percentage terms, a large number, but none of them screams that their Mongols expelled.

            Quote: smile
            So, I ask you to answer the question - you need to give some kind of cliche, since you cannot but use nicknames for us.


            You thought before writing such Crap, or you have nothing to think about. As I will advise you something. YES THINK WHAT YOU WANT, NAME HOW YOU WANT.
            Who in such a case is a decree for you. Forward. Just watch the skull box do not break and do not smudge the brains on the wall when you invent something obscene and indecent. I wish you every success in this undertaking of yours.
            1. smile
              smile 21 October 2013 23: 11
              -1
              Beck
              Thank. that they answered and answered well. I like it.
              The fact that we borrowed the cry "hurray" is known to me. But I thought that now, saying goodbye to the colonial past, you took it and refused ... there, the Lithuanians refused the same day of the fisherman - they say the Occupy holiday ... :))) eh. you upset me, how can you come up with a klikuhu now, huh? And it is imperative to come up with - you do not write a single comment without calling ours urashniki ... and what should I do now, sirom? Learn Kazakh? Can you tell me from an acquaintance how you should be called back ?? :))))

              no one on your right to the existence of the Natsik does not attempt, you are right. they are everywhere. But your statement. About. that this response does not hold water. Look, on the site, any swearing begins mainly after your pass on ours. And if ours do, we pull them off. You are yours, NEVER. And in general, ours began to yell about S.Kazakhstan only after it became enough for you to have the wrong nationality to dismiss a person. Almost instantly. And yours appeared nevertheless earlier, back in perestroika. Have the courage to admit it. about the colonial empire, I already argued with you, I don’t want to start again. I will confine myself to mentioning that conversations about Russian ecolonialism come mainly when someone wants to substantiate discrimination against Russians. okay...

              Further. you gave my quote. This one :

              Look at the thread on Russian migration from Kazakhstan. You are amazed. where did they get so much hatred for the Russians.

              And somehow they accused me of lying? And they talked about those who left ... what did I lie about? Your fellow tribesmen have arranged a real Russophobic Sabbath on the branch I have indicated - go and admire. And for this they did not need anyone's statements about S.Kaozakhstan ... they didn’t need anything at all - "they were the first to start" :))) and such hatred climbed, mom don’t cry ... honestly, as if they had been waiting for this moment for a long time and at the same time splashed out ... :)))

              Well, you, I asked you humanly to help you come up with people like you whooper, and you took it and brazenly refused ... :))) you understand, I have no experience, I have never come up with a single nationality ... you in every comment neatly remember to call us scribbles ... :))) Eh, you ... deceived my hopes .... :)))
              1. Beck
                Beck 22 October 2013 00: 29
                +2
                Quote: smile
                survived without having to call our painters practically no comments ...


                I call only those who scream Hurray. Yes, we are the most, yes, we have the biggest horseradish in the garden, but we are all fingernail, but everything is not ours ... oh, yes Europe and the whole world are all enemies.
                And I do not name anyone specifically. I'm just writing - scribblers. Who wants to try on himself, who does not want and does not pay attention, not to him.

                Quote: smile
                Look, on the site, any swearing begins mainly after your pass on ours.


                Here, on the page, is the topic of Kyrgyzstan, about the Manas base. And personally, for some reason, you shook the topic of Natsik.

                Quote: smile
                Your fellow tribesmen arranged a real Russophobic Sabbat on the branch I have indicated - go, admire.


                And they are URASHNIKI. No nation lives without Natsiks with terrible slogans. And they should be treated like Natsik, that's all. And I am illiterate in the computer. To me to type the address of the link it is 7 pots. And I don't go to sites. Once I myself do not know how "Military Review" got out on my screen, I served urgently, I love military equipment, I decided to read. And here was not only technology. And that's how it stayed. This is the only site that I visit for me.

                Quote: smile
                Well, you, I asked you, humanly, to help you come up with people like you klikuha- but you took it and brazenly refused.


                No one refused you. Create yourself, develop. When will be satisfied.
                1. smile
                  smile 22 October 2013 01: 31
                  -1
                  Beck
                  And I liked your answer even more, and this time without any humor and almost without malice. :))) And I can’t argue with you here - I agree with everything ... but I wouldn’t be if I didn’t cling to you :)))) - the fact is that you don’t pull your hand-wraps .. ..if you would jerk yours, how do we do it, I wouldn’t scandal at all ... even because we are not colonialists :))) By the way, you also called me a painter, you see how vindictive I am :) )))
                  And I'm not going to develop in this topic, I think you should have already realized that for me this is unacceptable. :))) +
                  By the way, this is also the only site where I have ever written anything. And I also got here by accident, once again not getting the newspaper Nezavisimoye Voennoye Obozreniye, sold out by more successful competitors, got into the tyrnet ... and ran into VO. And I got stuck. :)))
    3. AVV
      AVV 21 October 2013 22: 50
      -1
      Romanians in one word !!!
  3. Alikovo
    Alikovo 21 October 2013 08: 22
    +3
    I would not be surprised if they placed the central heating stations in Georgia.
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 21 October 2013 08: 23
    +4
    So there was a contender for democratization after Syria ... the Americans are withdrawing troops from the zone of the planned military conflict. During their presence, they created a fifth column, they trained most of the militants in Afghanistan and drew in the war in Syria ... well, and then provocation to example with the Uzbeks ... such as the flow of refugees to Russia ... with the transfer of showdowns to its territory in the Siberian region ... especially in the gas and oil producing areas ... there is only a match to bring.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 October 2013 08: 26
    0
    PS On the territory of Russia, there is also a "logistics center" of NATO, but so far, rather in paper form. Since the creation of the central transportation center in Ulyanovsk, only one trial delivery of goods has passed through the center.


    And how many howls were around this "logical center" of NATO. All the "enemies" did not expect anything, what this center does and will do.
  6. Vadiara
    Vadiara 21 October 2013 08: 49
    +7
    Whoa USA what Romania? How do you forget about us, the Baltic states?: - D
  7. Ddhal
    Ddhal 21 October 2013 09: 02
    +4
    By the way, in order to carry out the transfer of military personnel and equipment to the territory of Romania, the Americans do not need to conclude agreements with Bucharest. All the agreements that are necessary for this were concluded even when Condoleezza Rice was in charge of the main US foreign department. Under those agreements (December 2005 sample), the Romanian side is committed to provide the American side with the necessary space to accommodate its military personnel and military equipment.

    What, even the beads will not give?
    It is a pity the Moldovans seeking such a protectorate. Without pants left.
  8. pensioner
    pensioner 21 October 2013 09: 22
    +4
    Thanks Alexey!
    The United States respects the decision of the government of Kyrgyzstan to stop deploying TSCs after more than 12 years and intends to continue to support the democratic and economic development of Kyrgyzstan.
    All. Offended. They will not bomb, of course, but they will try to arrange another revolution ...
  9. vlad0
    vlad0 21 October 2013 09: 54
    +3
    It is noteworthy that a solid hairpin is inserted for the Americans. What was interesting about the base in Manas: a heavy transporter arrives from the states, where his cargo is overloaded by "small" planes and spread across the territory of Afghanistan, especially in the northern provinces (it is possible in reverse order, from Afgan to the USA). It was close, the security was guaranteed for the "big" ones on takeoff and landing, and the territory of NATO active bases in Afghanistan was not "littered" with cargo. ...
  10. major071
    major071 21 October 2013 09: 59
    +4
    Kurmanbek Bakiev’s double play subsequently cost him the presidency,

    I wanted to eat fish and *** to sit.
    Well, the Romanians want a lot of money to fuck with the Americans for the placement. Romanians licked the railway to Americans, so now they still want to lick something. You give us money - we give you fool all!
    Here recently, more news flashed at the expense of the American missile defense. Romanians want to host it. I feel sorry for Moldova. Lie down next to the Romanians.
  11. 3935333
    3935333 21 October 2013 10: 10
    +5
    Quote: vlad0
    It is noteworthy that a solid hairpin is inserted for the Americans. What was interesting about the base in Manas: a heavy transporter arrives from the states, where his cargo is overloaded by "small" planes and spread across the territory of Afghanistan, especially in the northern provinces (it is possible in reverse order, from Afgan to the USA). It was close, the security was guaranteed for the "big" ones on takeoff and landing, and the territory of NATO active bases in Afghanistan was not "littered" with cargo. ...

    -but it is very convenient to push heroin to Europe ... "Hercules" landed, and there camps from all over Geyropa are waiting for "goods" !!!!
  12. Turkestan
    Turkestan 21 October 2013 10: 24
    +3
    In fact, the Russian and Chinese leadership repeatedly appealed to the leaders of Kyrgyzstan to clean this base. The main reason for the appeal \ concern \ is finding the base from a military point of view in a very convenient place and it is good that the Government of Kyrgyzstan managed to solve this problem calmly without tantrums, despite heavy financial losses.
    1. smile
      smile 21 October 2013 17: 12
      -2
      Turkestan
      Even during the first farce with the withdrawal of the base under Bakiyev, Kyrgyzstan received so much that it compensated for the alleged financial losses for twenty years in advance. Have you forgotten about the two-billion "loan"? Or has Kyrgyzstan ever given us something? :))) so do not worry, there is no talk of any financial losses.
  13. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 21 October 2013 10: 51
    +1
    Yeah. Bakiev was given money for a promise to withdraw the base. No money, no withdrawal. Now, apparently, first the withdrawal of the base, then the money to Atambayev. So more reliable.
  14. pahom54
    pahom54 21 October 2013 10: 54
    +3
    Oh, this Condoleezza Rice! I always hated this black African American woman, and I always wondered why the black woman got such hatred for Russia ??? As if her great-grandfathers had been enslaved in Russia ... However, her foresight when concluding an agreement with Romania (and not only with her) is surprising and inspires respect ...
    Well, Romania ... has always been incomprehensible than, or rather, a prostitute little slut ...
    Kyrgyzstan went no further ...
    And the NATO base in Ulyanovsk - in FIG !!!
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 19: 16
      +1
      If Romania is like that, why was Russia ahead of it in Ulyanovsk?
      1. alone
        alone 21 October 2013 19: 48
        +1
        it’s easier to look for a speck in someone else’s eye. But the fact that in your own eye a whole log is uninteresting
  15. Victor
    Victor 21 October 2013 10: 57
    +2
    Well, first of all, the Yankees' departure from Kyrgyzstan is an interim victory for Russia for regaining influence in the countries of Central Asia and expanding the buffer zone from electronic and conventional intelligence tools of sworn friends. Reducing the ability of the Yusovites to rock the next revolution in Kyrgyzstan and much more. And most importantly, their departure is an occasion for Karimov to think, but in fact, the almighty States are so omnipotent and should they continue to butt with Russia. In any case, the withdrawal of the Yusovtsy from the territories of our strategic interests is good for us and our allies .
    1. vlad0
      vlad0 21 October 2013 11: 22
      +2
      Karimov quarreled with them back in 2005 (the closure of their base in Khanabad), but it's time for Rakhmon to decide who he is. The age-old Tajik "who gives more is a friend" seems to be no longer valid.
    2. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 21 October 2013 22: 45
      0
      Well, about Kyrgyzstan, it’s not worth rushing to conclusions oh. China has already taken aim at this region as a whole, and Kyrgyzstan in particular. And he is the strongest geopolitical opponent of Russia in the struggle for hegemony over the region, primarily the economic one. But where there is money, everything else will quickly catch up. And China is perhaps the favorite here, in the sense of the balance of power.
      So it is ill-advised to laugh at the "flight" of the States from the region. Why would they go into the very "scorching heat" when they can step aside and watch calmly? They have enough problems without Central Asia. It remains to be seen how this whole series of events in recent years will turn out, smells like another "redivision of the World". I remember that the last two such "repartitions" did not end well ... what
  16. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 21 October 2013 11: 30
    +3
    The base in Konstanz provides the United States with a direct presence on the Black Sea theater, which will enable the rear support of ship and aviation groups. The base controls the approaches to Odessa and Ilyichovsk, successfully controls the waters of the Crimea from Sevastopol and Donuzlav. In the future, one can imagine its role in possible development events both in Ukraine and in the Crimea. Having removed the American well-controlled base from Kyrgyzstan, we get it on the Black Sea theater in its underbelly and the extremely limited possibility of control over the Black Sea. Castling is not in our favor.
    1. Turkestan
      Turkestan 21 October 2013 16: 52
      +2
      All major military analysts consider the region of the Central Asian republics to date to be the most dangerous for the underbelly of Russia. Actually, events with far-reaching consequences may actually arise in the near future. As for the control of the American base in Romania, in this region Russia has enough forces to control and, if necessary, to destroy this base, which could not be done for various reasons in Kyrgyzstan
  17. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 October 2013 11: 42
    +1
    A holy place is never empty. Americans will be expelled from Kyrgyzstan, they will climb somewhere else. It is difficult to find a place on earth where the ass of an American soldier would not sit. Such is the sad reality. So Romania graciously provided its territory for the deployment of US troops. Dollars don't smell.
  18. Beck
    Beck 21 October 2013 12: 35
    -4
    Well, where are the Uroshniki who howled that the American base of Manas is the threshold of the US geopolitical dictatorship in Central Asia. The Americans asked for a base for transshipment of goods to Afghanistan - they received it. They asked them to free the territory, and the Americans left. Without dust, noise and din. The Americans asked the base in Ulyanovsk - received. The Americans will withdraw the troops from Afghanistan and leave Ulyanovsk.

    But if only the horror would be. They now ganged up on Romania. Romania is a sovereign state and acts as it sees fit. There are Russian military bases in Tajikistan and Armenia, and no one is yelling that Armenians and Tajiks are bastards. They acted in accordance with the appropriateness of their current policies.

    Who doesn’t know. I am writing from Kazakhstan, and the Amer’s flag is Belain’s flaws.
    1. smile
      smile 21 October 2013 17: 31
      +1
      Beck
      Nightmare! Beeline surrendered to the USA! :)))

      The Americans from Manas were not asked, their titanic efforts squeezed out huge amounts of money, although they clung to the ground with nails and teeth ... :))). moreover, they have not left yet, and they will probably try to dodge and stay - this is too important a strategic position. When leaving, they also threaten that they will still look after democracy in Kyrgyzstan. :)))
      There is no base in Ulyanovsk and there was none - the transit point did not have and could not have strategic significance, which is why we went to meet their requests.
      And you, by the way. they didn’t notice that the United States was going to leave several bases in Afghanistan, no? Well. if they aren’t kicked out, of course.
      On one point, I agree with you — all these bases are in their interests, just as their interests are in weakening and isolating Russia. I believe that the repeated statements by the US secretaries of state regarding Siberia are a good enough argument, aren't they?
      And you are wrong about Armenia — quite a lot of those. who doesn’t just scream about our troops there, and sometimes he starts screaming. Suggest hto UTB? :)))
      It is not for nothing that the Armenian oppositional counterparts of our marshes, dictated by those who finance them, oppose these bases.
      Well, the fact that Romania is the poorest European power has long lost the slightest semblance of sovereignty is unknown only to you. In any case, the Europeans who speak of her with disgust - this is known. :)))
      1. Beck
        Beck 21 October 2013 19: 52
        +2
        Quote: smile
        There is no base in Ulyanovsk and there was none - the transit point did not have and could not have strategic significance, which is why we went to meet their requests.


        And that tanks were standing in the boxes in Manas, the combat division was stationed in the barracks, military aircraft were on the concrete. There was also a large transit point.

        Quote: smile
        especially since they have not left yet, and they will probably try to dodge


        That's what they dodge. In Romania, all expenses are cheaper. By the way, you are one of those who verb, like that the base is the beginning of the capture of Central Asia. After the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, transit points in Ulyanovsk and Manas do not need anyone in FIG. It was your comrades shouting - All the end, because of the oil captured Iraq and is unknown for. what is Afghanistan. But troops are withdrawn from Iraq, a withdrawal is planned from Afghanistan. They threw off the dictator, appeased the terrorists and that’s it.

        Quote: smile
        In one, I agree with you — all of these bases are in their interests,


        Any bases that Amerov, that Russian is in the interests of these countries. Without interest, it’s not a fig and to give out cards.

        Quote: smile
        And you are wrong about Armenia — quite a lot of those. who doesn’t just scream about our troops there, and sometimes he starts screaming. Suggest hto UTB? :


        Azerbaijan directly affects the Russian base. They express dissatisfaction. And none of Kyrgyzstan’s neighbors is interested in Russia's military base in Kant. Kyrgyzstan agreed to accept the base, so this is her business. Because this base is not directed against the neighbors of Kyrgyzstan. And the fact that in Armenia someone is opposed is always the opposite in society. After all, you, too, were against the transit point of the amers in Ulyanovsk, they have calmed down now.

        Quote: smile
        Well, the fact that Romania is the poorest European power has long lost the slightest semblance of sovereignty is unknown only to you. In any case, the Europeans who speak of her with disgust - this is known.


        Romania did as she wanted. Well, interested her. Russia was also interested in money for the Ulyanovsk transshipment point. And do not speak for all Europeans, especially since they are for you geyropeytsy, crap and so on. It is you who speak with disgust. Romania is a poor country, but not a beggar. All countries of Eastern Europe are now poor after 40 years of communist rule and after 40 years of a socialist economy that has only led to decline compared to Western Europe.
        1. smile
          smile 22 October 2013 02: 40
          -2
          Beck
          1. The base in Manas is not just a transit point; it is a strategically very important airfield, a base for deployment. Moreover, there are simply no more such airfields in the district. If you believe that the Romanian base fully compensates for the Manas, you are very mistaken - this is a very unequal replacement.
          2. From Iraq and Afghanistan. as well as their Libya, the Americans did not leave. According to their plans, 7 bases — precisely bases for deployment — should remain in Agan. Do you understand the importance of such objects in the military-political perspective?
          Having drowned Iraq in the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and actually tearing it into three parts (I think, you know, which) did the Americans liberate Iraq from the dictator? Yes, Saddamitch. By the way, to a faithful American ally, such bloodletting and in a dream did not dream .... do you really believe in American propaganda so holy ... damn it. even the Americans already understood. that they were deceived .... :)))
          3.A regarding Eastern Europe ... it was the plunder of its resources that supported the economy of the USA and the Old World for some time ... and if you do not know. then just keep silent, the Europeans are really squeamish about the impoverished Romania and the Romanians themselves ... even worse. how do Americans relate to the Poles about whom they use jokes, as we have about the Chukchi ... only more offensive ... just the Americans, for the most part, do not know that there is such a country-Romania, otherwise they would ... :)))
          During the forty years of communist rule, the countries of Eastern Europe received a powerful impetus to development, both in education and in industry, through the injection of significant resources, including intellectual ones. Science finally appeared there. And now they are slowly, drowning and pros ... in that which they received from cooperation with us are reduced to the position originally prepared for them by the old Europeans, and the one in which they were previously located is the garbage dump of Europe and the source of cheap labor. This is their choice, let’s not bother them. :)))
  19. Yugra
    Yugra 21 October 2013 14: 19
    0
    Romanians, Moldovans, Gypsies, all somehow sound the same. Target the Iskander base at this new base, spit and turn away.
  20. AK-19
    AK-19 21 October 2013 15: 07
    +2
    Quote: Beck
    The Americans asked for a base for transshipment of goods to Afghanistan - they received it. They asked them to free the territory, and the Americans left. Without dust, noise and din.

    Only now the amercous base in Manas has been operating since 2001 and this is the second attempt to close it. The first was in 2008 and Russia even paid for it, but the Americans paid more. Bakiev (our former buy-in) took both Russian and American money, but he didn’t close the base.
  21. Migari
    Migari 21 October 2013 15: 10
    +3
    Quote: Beck
    There are Russian military bases in Tajikistan and Armenia

    And now, count where the p. Endo base is, what fingers are missing? And imagine that the Russian bases around the United States would stand, in the same quantity, once deliver missiles to Cuba, so they immediately get out of control.
  22. Beck
    Beck 21 October 2013 15: 52
    -1
    Quote: AK-19
    Bakiev (our former buy-in) took both Russian and American money, but he didn’t close the base.


    What is there Bakiyev took this is your business. But in anticipation of the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, the United States and collapse infrastructure support.

    Quote: Migari
    And now, count where the p. Endo base is, what fingers are missing?


    These bases are where the United States has an agreement. Just like Tajikistan and Armenia have agreements with Russia. And Russia has long been negotiating a revival of its base in Kamrani, Vietnam. Each side creates the infrastructure for servicing its troops in remote regions in accordance with the political situation and financial capabilities. If Norway does not agree to accept the base of Russia, then this is a matter of diplomacy.
  23. shuz
    shuz 21 October 2013 16: 38
    +1
    Hmm, so many local people will lose their jobs. When I worked there, all the time there was talk about closing the base, and given the level of sn, people were seriously worried ...
    1. smile
      smile 21 October 2013 17: 35
      -3
      shuz
      But they will not arrange a revolution there? After all, there are not only simple hard workers, there the entire local elite is nourished. Obviously, those who worked there will not like it.
  24. karal
    karal 21 October 2013 17: 44
    0
    The author of the article did not write anything about the fact that several years ago the American soldier Zachary Hatfield shot the citizen of Kyrgyzstan Alexander Ivanov on the territory of this base and was acquitted by a jury. Also, nothing was said about the plane crash near Bishkek where significant environmental damage was caused as a result of the kerosene spill and fire, nothing was said about fuel spills on the fields of Kyrgyz farmers before landing. And besides, not only tankers stood at the base, but also the Khornetov fighter squadron, which was subsequently removed from there. In short, some troubles from these amers! Enough go home guys!
    1. shuz
      shuz 22 October 2013 10: 05
      0
      By the way, about the murder of Ivanov at the base. I talked with the guys who worked with him in the driver team. So everyone says that he was still inadequate, and he constantly drove a decent knife in the cabin, and this was far from a kitchen one. So, at the entrance to the base, the driver drives to the inspection site and goes to a special tent for that time, where the Security Forces staff member is on duty (in general, the Security Service is shorter), they found the knife, Ivanov was called to the car, like take it away, we will not let it into the base, he he took a knife and went through that tent to take the knife out of the territory, it happened an emergency. Ivanov and Hatfield were in the tent, which was unclear, but given the character of Ivanov, FIG knows. From the testimony of Hatfield it follows that on the order to put the knife in his pocket, he started screaming and started walking in his direction with the knife raised, did not stop at the order and was killed. In short, it is not clear what happened there, but the Americans do not extradite their own, he was immediately sent to the states.
      About fighters - nonsense. I have repeatedly been on the rise for work, I was in repair hangars and so on. And nowhere I saw anything but transport aircraft.
  25. Anton19
    Anton19 21 October 2013 17: 58
    -2
    all these puppets have Russia as they need
  26. Humpty
    Humpty 21 October 2013 18: 37
    0
    We will see . If the Turks do not make their own hub there, then Atambaev +, but so far there are no special reasons for trust.
  27. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 21 October 2013 19: 28
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    Quote: Scoun
    Quote: Povshnik
    Romanians as they were Sorry HERE Which country, and remained.

    My grandmother told me that the Romanians committed atrocities the most when Hitler attacked the USSR, now against the background of Moldovan nationalists and speeches of "reunification" with Romania, problems with the PMR and other things ...
    According to the schedule and the presence of the US soldiers on their territory .. in general, they should start barking excitedly and start another provocation and "heel in the chest" that will tear usheh ... hold me seven .. (NATO).

    Romanians and Hungarians, in Voronezh, were not taken prisoner for their atrocities and the Hungarian army was completely destroyed, then they became "friends" and this fact was hushed up. So we cannot expect anything good from them.
  28. Black
    Black 21 October 2013 19: 52
    0
    It turned out that the American friends expressed an ardent desire to shelter the Romanian side. ........ And the process has already started.

    Romanians will lie down ... and even portray pleasure ... who would doubt it.
    ... the Germans knew what the Romanians - "Zigeuner" were and nothing more !!!
    The story of the German officer: "We are driving in the middle of the night from Kalach, after a while the car starts jumping on some kind of logs. I get tired of this and I order Tony to stop the car, get out of the car, walk 5 meters forward and wipe the snow. And I see under my feet along the road frozen Romanians ...........
  29. Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 21 October 2013 19: 56
    0
    Quote: Lindon
    And that there will be no base in Atyrau?
    Russian forums squeaked in hysteria like corrupt Kazakhs?
    You wonder how Russian broadcasts labels on all.
    Why so much hatred for the Kazakhs?

    Dear, what are you smoking? What is hatred for Kazakhs? Something I have not heard about the mass exodus of ethnic Kazakhs from the Russian Federation, although there are many of your fellow tribesmen in Russia, especially in the Ural region. But a huge number of Russians left Kazakhstan. About ten years ago, we met two Russian families who fell from your hospitable embrace. We listened to the search for a normal job for the RUSSIANS, and about the apartments sold for a pittance, and about the attitude of the "title" to them. And we have every right to express our opinion about the "reborn"!
    1. Rinat 1
      Rinat 1 22 October 2013 11: 45
      +1
      And I have many acquaintances and friends of Russians who left for the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan, and after some time returned, because they were not allowed to live there. And the fact that there is no normal work for Russians is complete nonsense. Look at least once our TV channels almost 40% of the bureaucratic seats are occupied by Russians.
  30. samoletil18
    samoletil18 21 October 2013 21: 02
    0
    Quote: Metlik
    The fate of Ceausescu, Gaddafi, Hussein taught the rulers of the countries - if you don't want to submit - the United States will "support democratic and economic development." They will send a good two-in-one tool - an aircraft carrier.


    Ceausescu was the most pro-Western against the background of other "people's democracies". But a dictator is no worse than any pinlochets. In 1988, he asked a Romanian in Odessa about political life, he almost did it at first, but then ran his hand around his neck, showing how they were living. Then it was (in 1989) a restructuring in Romanian. And here Gorbachev was not rebuilt like that, it's a pity.
  31. samoletil18
    samoletil18 21 October 2013 21: 07
    0
    Looking at a historical retrospective, it can be noted that in the event of a big mess the Romanians will go over to our side and go as part of the allied forces to finish off the NATO. The only thing that is important is to prevent them from becoming our allies at the beginning of the mess.
  32. Wii
    Wii 22 October 2013 07: 02
    0
    Romania will have to stand in line for other political whores.
  33. shuz
    shuz 22 October 2013 09: 55
    -1
    Quote: smile
    shuz
    But they will not arrange a revolution there? After all, there are not only simple hard workers, there the entire local elite is nourished. Obviously, those who worked there will not like it.

    Revolutions and unrest are part of the everyday life of Kyrgyzstan, mainly because of this I returned to my historical homeland))) It’s not like the bureaucrats are fed, huge money (by the standards of Kyrgyzstan), various contracts for servicing the base, fuel, etc. . So there will be a lot of dissatisfied, but it is still visible someone (we will not point the finger) was able to interrupt the map of the Americans.
    It is a pity for ordinary hard workers who worked at the base as cooks, strotters, electricians, etc. - because this work allowed us to live a normal life. For example, when I was working on the base (I worked at the Civil Engineering Customer Service), the average salary on the base for local people was $ 500, and in the city any specialist (who works with their hands) received a maximum of 250. That's the difference ...