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Russian A-10 still in service

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Another Russian Su-25 attack aircraft crashed on September 23 on 2013, and the pilot was killed. The flights of all Su-25 were immediately suspended until the causes of the disaster were clarified. This is the 17 th Su-25, lost over the last decade, and this is not unusual for the Russian military aircraft, in service with the 1980-s. Despite these losses, the Su-25 is still a popular aircraft. With good service, the Su-25 is very efficient. Since 1978, over a thousand of these aircraft have been produced and their production and modernization has not ceased. In the 2006 year, after seven years of work, Russia adopted the first two modernized Su-25CMs. Another six aircraft were delivered during the year. Russia still finds export customers who want to buy both cheap, flying Su-25, as well as higher-end vehicles, such as new or repaired Su-25CM.



Russia still maintains a fleet of its Su-25. Back in 1999, Russia decided to update the 80 of its Su-25 aircraft before modifying the CM. In addition to extending the service life by 10 or more years, the Su-25CM is equipped with new electronics, allowing it to use smart bombs and missiles. The navigation system has also been upgraded, including GPS and many other automations. Many improved components have been installed, reducing the need for maintenance by a third. At present, Russia plans to retain in service around 80 Su-25 until 2030-s. This will probably require one or more stages of modernization.



Su-25 is an 17-ton aircraft carrying an 30-mm double-barreled cannon (with 250 shells) and up to 5 tons of bombs and missiles (including air-to-air missiles). Single twin engine aircraft has combat radius 380 kilometers, and the maximum speed is 900 kilometers per hour. This is the Russian equivalent of the American A-10, which has undergone a similar modernization to extend its service life.



The design of the Su-25 is actually more similar to the American X-NUMX-ton A-19, which participated in the competition with the 9-ton A-23. The speed of the Su-10 and A-25 is approximately 9 percent higher than that of the A-14. However, the A-10 is more stable in flight by aircraft and much more resistant to combat damage. Fireproof weaponsThe A-10 and Su-25 are very effective against ground targets. A-10 also has a unique 30-mm cannon in addition to 7 tons of bombs. A-9 could carry 8 tons, in addition to the same 30-mm gun.
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  1. leon-iv
    leon-iv 17 October 2013 09: 23
    +3
    However, the A-10 is a more stable aircraft and much more resistant to combat damage.

    In relation to what to the Su-25 or A-9. If to the Su-25 then I wang 100500 comments.
    1. Professor
      17 October 2013 09: 26
      0
      Quote: leon-iv
      However, the A-10 is a more stable aircraft and much more resistant to combat damage.

      In relation to what to the Su-25 or A-9. If to the Su-25 then I wang 100500 comments.

      Judging by the author for both.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 17 October 2013 09: 35
        13
        YYY well then it started))))
        Although, of course, combat stability is a moot point. And the Su-25 and A-10 are very tenacious aircraft so xs xs.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 17 October 2013 09: 57
          -22 qualifying.
          The planes are certainly great. I have no words. But the time of the attack aircraft is already running out ....
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 17 October 2013 10: 06
            +7
            But the time of the attack aircraft is already running out ....

            Who decided this?
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 17 October 2013 10: 57
            15
            When they created 25, they also thought that the time of the attack aircraft was running out. It all leaves and leaves, for 40 years already ...
            1. Professor
              17 October 2013 11: 08
              26
              Quote: klimpopov
              When they created 25, they also thought that the time of the attack aircraft was running out. It all leaves and leaves, for 40 years already ...

              I agree. Not only does it not go away, but even single-engine "propeller-driven" attack aircraft are very popular.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 October 2013 11: 33
                +8
                The practice of Afghanistan and any local war is in the first place, as always, attack aircraft (there simply were no global wars, thank God). Although once their merits seemed not obvious. And the military looked at him askance, supposedly low-speed, to sound and so on, then it quickly passed.

                By the way, I've come across several times that the Yak is partially 130 and in the future they want to replace the Su-25. It's true??? Stupid ?! Type Yak -130 is a light attack aircraft, no, I understand that the 130 can be used for attack, but it is no comparison with Drying.

                At the expense of the Brazilian, my opinion is that for want of a better one. So the prospects for this aircraft are foggy for me ... The anti-aircraft machine gun will smash it into dust. But this is my subjective opinion. The helicopter will cope with its tasks ...
                1. Professor
                  17 October 2013 11: 52
                  +7
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  At the expense of the Brazilian, my opinion is that for want of a better one. So the prospects for this aircraft are foggy for me ... The anti-aircraft machine gun will smash it into dust. But this is my subjective opinion. The helicopter will cope with its tasks ...

                  Well, in my opinion, a helicopter is more expensive and more complicated, and indeed a place in the sun exists for both of them, all the more so, even in Afghanistan, local Aboriginal pilots can handle it without any problems ...

                  Brazilian wings in the sky of Afghanistan
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 17 October 2013 11: 59
                    +2
                    I agree, practice will show what is destined for this aircraft.
                2. Storm
                  Storm 17 October 2013 12: 04
                  +5
                  Regarding the Yak-130 - the truth. But it is impossible to replace the 25th Yak, sober-minded people understand this, so that the thoughts so far have remained such thoughts.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 17 October 2013 12: 08
                    +2
                    But who dawned on the same?
                    1. Avenger711
                      Avenger711 17 October 2013 15: 19
                      +4
                      There are a lot of fools in the world.
                3. Avenger711
                  Avenger711 17 October 2013 15: 19
                  +4
                  Yes, they have already discussed all this in the Moscow Region. 100% The conversation went according to the requirements to ensure that the Yak-130 has the same protection parameters, at least, as a result of the calculations it turned out that the Yak-130 itself turns into the Su-25 by weight characteristics, that is, what nonsense is not needed.
                4. Nikone
                  Nikone 17 October 2013 17: 51
                  0
                  No that's not true...
                  Single modification of the Yak-130 is more export-oriented, and not as an attack aircraft for Russia.
                5. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 17 October 2013 19: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Type Yak -130 light attack, no, I understand that the 130 can be used for attack,


                  But only once.
                  This topic is generally unhealthy, they just decided to promote the Yak-130 and began to carry all the dregs for foreign customers from the African coast.
          3. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 17 October 2013 14: 15
            +3
            Quote: xetai9977
            The planes are certainly great. I have no words. But the time of the attack aircraft is already running out ....


            by no means! just beginning. The time of wild warfare is leaving wall to wall for 1 million people each, and the time for stormtroopers destroying strong points and free-standing equipment begins.
            1. e3tozy
              e3tozy 17 October 2013 20: 51
              +2
              That's for sure. Attacking positions, objects, equipment will be relevant for a very long time, and here no one will do this work better than an attack aircraft and a helicopter. And the fact that in Afghanistan, after the first losses and modifications of the aircraft, 60000 Su-4 says a lot over the next 25 thousand sorties. Electronics is now lighter and takes up less space. You can take more fuel, or weapons, to upgrade the engines. it’ll be a good car, YES, and Grach’s name is not accidental, it’s a mortuary of the Russian Air Force, he has no equal in this. Only here the figure 80 is a little confusing.
          4. GastaClaus69
            GastaClaus69 17 October 2013 16: 17
            +8
            About artillery in the 60s, too, they said so!
            Even the poor Ukrainian army does not want to get rid of the rooks in any way, and it is modernizing them with might and main.
          5. StolzSS
            StolzSS 17 October 2013 18: 28
            +3
            You are wrong. It’s the most suitable means to drive bearded people together with helicopters, and in a major conflict they will find a place ...
          6. bandabas
            bandabas 17 October 2013 20: 00
            +2
            Attacks will always stay on the battlefield. They and turntables are weapons of direct support from the air of the hunters. And graduation by all means should be. I won’t go far. A common example with ordinary consumer electronics is that a camera is better for 30000, or a tablet for the same 30000. One is highly specialized, the other is fancy.
          7. vlad0
            vlad0 18 October 2013 18: 39
            0
            At least, the opinion of the ignorant. Their era will end with the wars. In the meantime ...... They still have to fly and fight, and it is time for him to prepare the same reliable replacement.
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  3. loft79
    loft79 17 October 2013 09: 55
    0
    "The A-9 could carry 8 tons, in addition to the same 30mm cannon."

    Something on the A9 I did not find a "30mm killer" with the A10.
    1. Professor
      17 October 2013 10: 08
      +4
      Quote: loft79
      Something on the A9 I did not find a "30mm killer" with the A10.

      It also says "could bear", not "carried". wink
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      2. loft79
        loft79 17 October 2013 10: 21
        0
        You're right. Found
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 17 October 2013 15: 21
          0
          A gun the size of a passenger car in the A-9 simply does not fit, and a block of 10 barrels sticking out onto the A-7 was perfectly visible.
          1. Professor
            17 October 2013 15: 30
            +1
            Quote: Avenger711
            A gun the size of a passenger car in the A-9 simply does not fit, and a block of 10 barrels sticking out onto the A-7 was perfectly visible.

            Probably the Americans intended to grease it with plenty of petroleum jelly, and the user loft79 drew this drawing himself. wink
            1. loft79
              loft79 17 October 2013 23: 42
              0
              Quote: Professor
              and this drawing user loft79 himself drew

              Well, I had to try laughing

              About Vaseline and A-10
  4. Storm
    Storm 17 October 2013 10: 02
    15
    A-10 and Su-25 are approximately the same in terms of survivability. The difference is not very significant. The "tenth" is larger, the engines are more widely spaced - this is a plus. But the Su-25 has a stronger welded titanium bath, safer for the pilot than the American bolt-on assembly. Both have protected tanks, redundant controls, armor for the most critical components. The SU-25 is lighter, more maneuverable and slightly faster than the Thunderbolt. The latter is larger and carries more combat load, due to the lower load on the wing, it is more maneuverable horizontally.
    1. Cebro
      Cebro 17 October 2013 16: 24
      +3
      I also want to note that we and the United States went in different directions, as well as helicopters (I'm talking about Mi-24 and Apache). A-10 was made to defeat tanks, bunkers and other things, and the Su-25 was created more to support and destroy enemy manpower, which is why we are so fond of NARs.
      1. Argon
        Argon 17 October 2013 21: 07
        -3
        My dear Sturm, that is, you undertake to assert that the aluminum structure (Su-25) in terms of resistance to power supply will be similar to the construction of "stainless steel" (A-10)? Solution with spaced engines, like a medal, has two sides, try to balance the car with one engine running + the power supply unit may not need a second engine, you will have to jump. How is it possible to compare cars in different weights? The armament complex is approximately the same as the A-10 we have on the Su-24 (except for the cannon). generally incomprehensible "child of compromise" with clearly "indefinite" tasks, created as a cheap alternative to the IBA as a whole. Morally outdated by the time it was put into service, and the chosen weight category does not make it possible to properly modernize the car (taking into account the mass-dimensional characteristics of our complexes WTO) an example of this is the "masterpieces" of the Su-25T, Su-25. In my opinion, the adoption of the Su-39 was a mistake, it took the place of the Il-25.
        1. Storm
          Storm 17 October 2013 23: 13
          +4
          If you can share where it says that he has a stainless steel sheathing. Is that in places where the exhaust gases flow for heat resistance. From the point of view of the weight of the aircraft, this is simply not necessary, the weight will jump radically. Such cladding could be on supersonic ones - for example, the MiG-25 and SR-71, where the duralumin does not "keep" the temperature, but here - why? From the point of view of a rocket or a cannon shell - they don't care what duralumin or stainless steel of the same thickness are pierced - they will pierce it equally easily. This will definitely not be an obstacle for them. Is that weak protection from fragments ...
          Regarding engines - I agree, a double-edged sword. Although, I think the Americans, when developing, probably foresaw the possibility of flying with one engine. And we tested it on tests.
          As for the ability to upgrade - yes, due to the size and the corresponding weight, certain limits for modernization exist. However, they still allow for such upgrades and there is still some groundwork for this. And the new element base allows you to reduce the weight and size of the equipment. For example, to solve problems similar to the Su-25TM, the dimensions of the required equipment compared to the same on the TM-ke are much smaller (two times, if not three), which allows you to have some reserves when placing additional equipment.
          Regarding the IL-102: a lot of articles were devoted to this machine at one time and in "Wings of the Motherland" as well. This is a different machine in terms of its size and capabilities, with its own advantages and disadvantages, so I will not argue about the correct or incorrect decision about the Su-25. I will only say that in its current form, the 102nd has no place to place an aiming station (OLS or laser rangefinder) in the nose - because of its design and the placement of the nose wheel. Although this problem can be solved by installing an OLS in a container version (like the amers on A-10).
          1. Argon
            Argon 18 October 2013 01: 31
            +2
            Where it is written, you will find out for yourself when you try to "work out" the topic, I will only note that not only the skin; the design of the wing, stabilizer, keel-completely. Obviously, the FR designer has not familiarized himself with your theory of the use of steel in aircraft construction (by the way, SR-71 is almost all titanium At the same time, they carried out a rather voluminous research work (more precisely, carried out the Pentagon) on the factors of destruction of combat aircraft inflicted by tactical air defense systems. The result was the identification of the most critical zones, in terms of the approach of weapons, the front and rear lower hemispheres. a very original general layout was developed, where the wing, stabilizer and keels are like shields of the engines. Regarding the Su-25, I did not quite understand what versions we are talking about, but let's start with the dead-born Su-25T the machine is so overweight that already the psychophysical functions of a person (the pilot) is not allowed to keep it "on evolution", the price of the board did not allow placing the EDSU, and the nomenclature of the element base at that time did not allow.provisions came out by installing a semi-automatic control system (a very ambiguous thing, if you want to figure it out), the Su-39 from the point of view of the QUALITY of weapons, there are no changes, the nomenclature has increased and no more. Suspended airborne radar works only on air targets can direct the R-77 and map, In general, the goal of this modernization of the Su-25t is to increase the level of orientation and communication, the possibility of conducting DVB for a subsonic attack aircraft is very ambiguous. At the same time, the weight of the machine increased, which further complicated piloting, the EDSU was developed but the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and this machine was abandoned. The next was the SM modernization by and large motivated by the "Georgian scorpion" the plans were Napoleonic, in fact, they once again changed / expanded the possibility of ZAS communication, GPS navigation and that's all, even a modern REP complex is not there, and I think in the near future it will not appear in mass / dimensions acceptable for the Su-25. Talk about the IL-102, a separate topic, and judging by your statements, you do not quite know it, laser is far measures at the Il-102 (more precisely, its MGM) is located in the nose, and on the A-10 it is built-in (there it is not just a rangefinder, but also a Maverick guidance station with a laser seeker.) In general, OLS is not necessary to put in the nose, 102 has the possibility (purely theoretically) to get a full-fledged sighting radar, like this, with respect.
            1. Storm
              Storm 18 October 2013 10: 43
              +1
              I will work on the topic of what the A-10 is made of - I promise smile But I didn’t quite understand with the built-in range finder-illuminator: as far as I know, there is a laser spot direction finder on the top ten (for external illumination, there is no range finder) Pawe Panny and only - it does not have a built-in range finder and never has. And used, if necessary, hanging containers - first LANTIRN, then (now) - Sniper XR and Litening II. Now they already have optics (including a thermal imager) and laser illumination and range finder.
              I did not know about the specific EDSU on the Su-25T - it would be necessary, on occasion, to talk to the person who flew this machine (and on the TM too). I can only say one thing about the TM - for all its shortcomings and "childhood illnesses" this aircraft was a significant step forward compared to the usual 25th. On tests, the results were such that with a 6-7 km missile ("Whirlwind" is the same) they almost hit the window (thanks to "Shkval"). They burned a neat little hole in the tank. If not for the 90s, the car would have shown itself. Eh ...
              About the REP complex for SM is a matter of time, believe me. The machine is developing, it does not stand still.
              To finish about the IL-102 (because I’m not very familiar with this machine, as you rightly noted) I’ll say: The IL-102 is an interesting machine that has potential. It is a pity that she did not receive at least some development and evaluation in modern conditions. But some even now consider it as a possible development option for an attack aircraft. Wait and see.
              Best regards
            2. uyrii67
              uyrii67 1 November 2013 21: 56
              0
              To be honest, I did not understand how the wing will protect the engine when undermining the warhead in the front lower hemisphere? The weight of warheads 5B21 and 28 is about 200 kg of which 80 kg of explosives are the rest of the damaging elements.
  5. andruha70
    andruha70 17 October 2013 10: 39
    19
    Russian A-10 still in service
    sho for the "non-writing" article "nabukvil"? fool from which h.rena su-25 - is it a-10? and besides, it’s also Russian ... lol it’s the same as: t-50-Russian F-22, instant-25-Russian f-15, and t-72-Russian abrams ... lol Is it not possible to headline article-su-25 as before in service. tongue
    1. loft79
      loft79 17 October 2013 11: 41
      +5
      Source look and understand everything smile

      http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20131015.aspx
      1. andruha70
        andruha70 17 October 2013 19: 13
        +3
        Source look and understand everything
        looked ... and understood everything ... negative professors to shoot (figuratively repeat ) to no longer translate "utter nonsense" fool
        1. Professor
          17 October 2013 21: 22
          0
          Quote: andruha70
          professors to shoot (figuratively

          Handles are short, however, for those who wish.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 17 October 2013 23: 57
            +1
            Professor - just before each article, insert a small "paragraph from yourself", where briefly describe whose article and where it came from. This will make it clearer how to treat them.
            1. Professor
              18 October 2013 07: 44
              0
              Quote: lelikas
              Professor - just before each article, insert a small "paragraph from yourself", where briefly describe whose article and where it came from. This will make it clearer how to treat them.

              After each article, whether the author is written or translated, and from where. I think this is enough. hi
    2. Storm
      Storm 17 October 2013 12: 07
      +3
      The article is most likely an American one, they are now outlining plans to reduce the A-10s fleet, so they are trying to save them by appealing to our Su-25s, which they say are still in operation and are being developed.
  6. nik6006
    nik6006 17 October 2013 11: 04
    +8
    This is a kind of sophisticated form of expression of contempt of the Jewish mentality to all Russian probably.
    This is clinging to absurd trifles, distorting facts, humiliating comparisons, some petty rat-rats or something and a sense of superiority sticking out of one's pants. It’s awkward to read, and after reading it remains a sense of disgust that I have plunged into something nasty. It was the same with other articles, even with a merkava. It is necessary to carry out a special search in order to dig up some little article about ponekazist about Russian weapons. Probably, this professor should consult a sexopathologist, maybe he had a trauma in his childhood, incompatible with the continued existence of a sense of decency.
    I respect professional people, respect competent specialists, regardless of nationality, including Jews. But for some reason, more and more citizens of this sunny country arouse my rejection, they are more and more surprised by their attitude to Russia and all Russian, their contemptuous attitude.
    If I’m wrong, if I offended someone undeservedly, I apologize, but not to the professor.
    1. Professor
      17 October 2013 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: nik6006
      If I’m wrong, if I offended someone undeservedly, I apologize, but not to the professor.

      Just not this, pliz, pliz ... I will not survive and the sex therapist will not help me anymore. Save !!!! wassat
  7. Forest
    Forest 17 October 2013 11: 14
    +8
    Not "Twin-engine", but two-motor.
    From the middle of the XNUMXth century it is customary to call the word “motor” the name electric motors and internal combustion engines (ICE).
    (In our school, if he had answered so, there would have been a true couple).
    1. Professor
      17 October 2013 11: 34
      +4
      Corrected, thanks. hi
    2. Airman
      Airman 17 October 2013 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: Forest
      Not "Twin-engine", but two-motor.
      From the middle of the XNUMXth century it is customary to call the word “motor” the name electric motors and internal combustion engines (ICE).
      (In our school, if he had answered so, there would have been a true couple).

      They remembered the song "and instead of a heart a fiery motor", they will soon find a "motor" on the rocket. Never mind, non-specialists are forgivable.
      1. Forest
        Forest 17 October 2013 13: 10
        0
        "Not a specialist" is not an excuse, but an accusation).
  8. cobalt
    cobalt 17 October 2013 11: 39
    +8
    80 Su-25 in 4 districts is somehow not enough. I don’t understand how to provide fire support to the troops with one and a half squadrons per district. So many brigades can be supported in the okrug, and the rest will probably have to be content with balloons. For me, so in each district you need to have a couple of Su-1 regiments (just 25-70 cars each) yes + a couple of regiments of the Air Force reserve.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 October 2013 11: 43
      +3
      It’s hard to disagree with you. As always, everyone from all districts is driven to the right place ... The practice of recent decades ...
      1. cobalt
        cobalt 17 October 2013 12: 06
        +7
        They can’t do anything else, but we must remember that in Afghanistan 40 regiments covered 5 armies, and in the USSR Air Force there was a sufficient number of attack aircraft, the rear and borders were not exposed. But in Afghanistan, the Dushmans did not have mechanized and tank units, with air cover and military air defense systems, which requires a greater involvement of attack aircraft.

        Assault Aviation Regiments:

        200th Oshae Su-25 Shindand (1980-1984)
        378th Shap Su-25 Kandahar (formed in 1984 on the basis of the 200th Oshae)

        Fighter-bomber aviation regiments:

        136th Ibap Su-17m4 poetry: Kabul, Bagram, Kandahar
        217th ibap Su-17m4 Shindand
        156th ibap Su-17m4 worked from Mary-2 airdrome
        274th ibap
  9. SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 17 October 2013 11: 45
    +1
    Does anyone know how the Su-25SM differs from the Su-25T and Su-25TM (Su-39)?
    And it is not clear why they are no longer being produced, only the Su-25SM is being produced. I hope the Su-25SM has the same capabilities as the Su-25T and TM, i.e. Vikhr anti-tank missiles, the Shkval sighting and sighting system (although if the Su-25SM has a better system than the Shkval, then it’s fine, the main thing is not the old Klen PS), radar Spear, electronic warfare system.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 October 2013 11: 56
      +4
      Su-25 TM (Su-39)
      http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/su39.html
      one 30 mm gun GSH-30
      Combat load: normal - 2360 kg, maximum - 4400 kg on 11 suspension units
      ATGM Whirlwind with 16 ATGM (2x8 blocks)
      4 URVP X-25ML or C-25CL or 4 PKR X-31A, X-35,
      2 PRLUR X-31P or X-58UE or Up to 4 URVV P-60 or P-73E
      NUR caliber 57-370-mm, bombs (conventional, guided, cluster) or incendiary tanks
      Sioux 25T
      http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/su25t.html
      one 30-mm double-barreled gun GSh-2-30 with 200 cartridges.
      The combat load - 4400 10 kg hardpoints
      ATGM Whirlwind with 16 ATGMs (2X8 blocks),
      UR air-surface X-29T with TV or X-25ML, X-29L and C-25, anti-radar UR X-58, NUR caliber 57-370-mm, bombs (conventional, induced, cluster, nuclear)
      Up to 4 UR R-60M, R-73
      Su-25 CM
      http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/su25sm.html
      one 30-mm double-barreled gun GSh-30-2 in the lower nose with 250 cartridges.
      Combat load - 4340 kg on 10 suspension units, normal load - 1340 kg
      Bomb load:
      Up to 8 laser-guided bombs,
      8-10 500-, 250-kg bombs, 32 100-kg bombs,
      armor-piercing bombs, napalm tanks
      NUR: 8-10 PU UB-32-57 (320 (252) x 57-mm)
      or 8-10 240-mm blocks NAR type C-5 (57 mm), C-8 (80 mm), C-24 (240 mm) and C-25 (340 mm).
      UR: air-air P-60 short-range and UR R-27P (E), RVV-AE (P-77) and P-73 medium range.
      air-surface 25ML X-X-C and 29L 25L
      Containers SPPU-22 with double-barreled 23-mm gun GSH-23L with 260 cartridges.

      By the way, there is still Su-25 KM (Scorpio)
      http://www.airwiki.org/enc/attack/su25km.html

      Su-25 The first serial modification of the attack aircraft.
      Sioux 25UB double combat training aircraft
      SU-25UT, SU-28 double study version
      Su-XNUMHBK export version of the Su-25UB aircraft
      Sioux 25UTG two-seat aircraft for testing landing techniques using ground and deck aerofinishers
      Su-25BM target towing aircraft
      Su-25K export version of the Su-25.
      Sioux 25T anti-tank attack aircraft with new electronic equipment and weapons
      Su-25TK export version of the Su-25T
      Su-25TM, Su-39 Separate anti-tank attack aircraft
      Like all
      Well, and Su-25СМ
      1. VAF
        VAF 17 October 2013 13: 40
        +3
        Quote: klimpopov
        Up to 8 laser-guided bombs,


        Klim, buddy, well, "enlighten", how do you plan to use these "bells and whistles" without having an LTPS on board ??? wassat
        I hope you understand the difference between LD and LTPS wink
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 October 2013 13: 48
          +2
          This is not me, this is copy-paste from the links.
          LTPS - laser television sighting system
          To be honest, I just copied past my eyes wassat
          1. VAF
            VAF 17 October 2013 14: 12
            +3
            Quote: klimpopov
            To be honest, I just copied past my eyes


            So I understood that you took the "advertising price ..." and more.

            And on Grac. Only LD "Maple" and not any Kaira, Sycamore or any other OTEPS, "Toko" are the next .. "promises" and .. "Wishlist" recourse
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 October 2013 14: 22
              +1
              Well, SM, as I understand it (well, purely in its delitantnoy view) and not modernization at all? recourse Repairs? Well, the "expansion" of the nomenclature? Well, then the 130th will be replaced and everything is in openwork wassat
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas 17 October 2013 23: 22
                +2
                Quote: klimpopov
                Well, SM, as I understand it (well, purely in its delitantnoy view) and not modernization at all?

                they seem to have added monitors to the cockpit, updated navigation, extended the engine life, and it seems to be the same for the airframe. Well, of course, it's not really the modernization of the A-10A into the A-10C, when the aircraft was added the ability to identify targets and strike at them from high altitudes and distances without loss of accuracy, and in addition, we changed the wings, re-equipped the cockpit and not just installed LCD monitors, to facilitate navigation and the use of weapons and new reconnaissance systems, the cockpit was equipped with such controls that allow you to operate all equipment without taking your hands off them (HOTAS) .The aircraft control stick was borrowed from the F-16C / D fighter, and the engine control handle from the F -15Е Strike Eagle., And as part of the PEM program, the aircraft received a new multiplex digital data exchange bus (MUX), which provides communication between the on-board computer and weapons.The new digital bus of the 1760 standard allows the A-10C to use modern reconnaissance and target designation containers of the Litening II type and Sniper XR, in the future, integrate into information transmission networks on the battlefield and use weapons directed byusing the GPS system. In addition, the AN / ALQ-131 and AN / ALR-69 REP systems were added to the equipment. "
              2. Storm
                Storm 17 October 2013 23: 24
                0
                No, SM is still a modernization and not so bad. The aircraft acquired new sensors, a new computer-indicating complex, and the pilot's information awareness was significantly improved. Still, this is a good step forward in comparison with the usual twenty-fifth.
        2. basmach
          basmach 18 October 2013 22: 18
          -2
          for the use of these bells and whistles, the LTPS "Kaira" is not required For this, it is quite enough LD, for example, "Klen-54" and PNK (as an example, Su-17m4 with PrNK-54 which had a good set of UR "VP" with LGSN) Therefore, before than to be clever, you should at least
          to know something about technology and systems from realities and not from the Internet (where nonsense is above the roof)
  10. understudy
    understudy 17 October 2013 11: 56
    +3
    "Currently, Russia plans to maintain in service about 80 Su-25s until the 2030s."

    Somehow this phrase is not encouraging. Not much, however, will be.
  11. Storm
    Storm 17 October 2013 12: 01
    +2
    In short: SU-25Sm is a modernization of a conventional serial "twenty-fifth" with an increase in its accuracy and operational characteristics, an expansion of the range of used ammunition, a new cockpit with one multifunctional indicator. Su-25 TM and T are different machines. There is no squall on SM-e, as well as Whirlwinds.
    1. SkyMaXX
      SkyMaXX 17 October 2013 13: 11
      +2
      But it’s a pity that there are no Whirlwinds. After all, this is a huge advantage. Judge for yourself: only one X-25ML or X-29 missile is suspended on one pylon. They are very powerful. But usually and most often, such missiles are used in battle as anti-tank. Of course, they cut down the tank perfectly, but they are very expensive and even a little too powerful for the tank and you can’t hang a lot of them. And if the task is to destroy, for example, 8-10 tanks and air defense with one Su-25 aircraft, then what to return to the base for armament? Of course, you can attack the tank with the NARS in the stern and side projections, but the air defense will greatly interfere and threaten the aircraft.
      And then I hung 8 rockets on one wing pylon and on the other wing you can also hang 8 rockets. They are not super expensive, but enough to destroy tanks and self-propelled anti-aircraft defense without getting close to them.
      By the way, for some reason, the USA also did not take this opportunity, they put a large missile AGM-65 Mavarik, although it was possible to adapt small Hellfires in large numbers.
      1. Storm
        Storm 17 October 2013 14: 33
        0
        Yes, I completely and completely agree - it’s really a pity. But that is - that is.
        Yes, and for Whirlwinds, a Shkval is needed - it has a control channel for these missiles, but it does not fit into the nose of an ordinary Su-25, a different nose design on the T- and TM. Alteration was needed, they did not dare to do it. And so really, against tanks and other equipment - C-8KOM or C-8T: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-8
        Hellfire-u requires laser illumination, on a regular A-10, without a Sniper or Lightning container, it is not. AGM-65 originally - an infrared seeker rocket
      2. Storm
        Storm 17 October 2013 14: 33
        0
        Yes, I completely and completely agree - it’s really a pity. But that is - that is.
        Yes, and for Whirlwinds, a Shkval is needed - it has a control channel for these missiles, but it does not fit into the nose of an ordinary Su-25, a different nose design on the T- and TM. Alteration was needed, they did not dare to do it. And so really, against tanks and other equipment - C-8KOM or C-8T: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-8
        Hellfire-u requires laser illumination, on a regular A-10, without a Sniper or Lightning container, it is not. AGM-65 originally - an infrared seeker rocket
        1. SkyMaXX
          SkyMaXX 17 October 2013 20: 52
          +1
          The AGM-65 seems to have several modifications with different homing heads. AGM-65A - with television guidance, AGM-65E - with laser guidance, AGM-65D - with thermal imaging. And for illumination, you can use containers, by the way the problem with the nose of the Su-25 disappears. Do we have such containers?
          Another topic - if ours are so obsessed with the S-8, most likely because of the cheapness, then why not make a guided version of the missile, such as the S-25L laser-guided missile, converted from the unguided S-25. I've heard about the western project APKWS, they put the seeker, rudders and stuffing on a regular 70mm Hydra rocket. The missile turns out to be much and much cheaper than air-to-surface guided missiles, even if the warhead is enough only to defeat light armored vehicles and disable the tank's surveillance systems. Although, of course, their project is focused on arming helicopters.
  12. Realist58
    Realist58 17 October 2013 12: 09
    +1
    Quote: nik6006
    But for some reason, more and more citizens of this sunny country arouse my rejection, they are more and more surprised by their attitude to Russia and all Russian, their contemptuous attitude.

    Lucky for you, you still have a place where this feeling grows laughing
    For most informed people, this feeling is point blank with excessive pressure)))
    1. nik6006
      nik6006 17 October 2013 13: 08
      +2
      Quote: Realist58
      Quote: nik6006
      But for some reason, more and more citizens of this sunny country arouse my rejection, they are more and more surprised by their attitude to Russia and all Russian, their contemptuous attitude.

      Lucky for you, you still have a place where this feeling grows laughing
      For most informed people, this feeling is point blank with excessive pressure)))



      The Russian man has a very big heart and a wide soul.
      But enormous patience is not unlimited, here it is (this feeling of rejection) and begins to get rid of, through, for now, these pages.
      Actually, their respect is not particularly necessary, but their demonstration of their attitude towards Russia is very unpleasant, to put it mildly in literary language.
      1. Realist58
        Realist58 17 October 2013 13: 40
        +2
        Me more of their DIRECT crimes.
        Armed The seizure of power in 1917, 1993, the use of weapons of mass destruction against the Russian population, the genocide of the Russian population in Little Russia and MUCH, MUCH OTHER for which they are simply undesirable.
        1. Professor
          17 October 2013 13: 45
          0
          Citizens of antisemites, you have chosen an interesting platform for discussing your sores. Just do not understand how everything you say relates to what is written in the article? request
          Would you go to the appropriate resource and cry to each other there. crying
          1. Realist58
            Realist58 17 October 2013 14: 16
            +7
            Professor, it’s someone to whom, but it’s time for you to know that the phrase anti-Semitism is a banal monasticism of Zionist Goebbels. We treat the majority of the Semites quite loyally.
            Use more accurate definitions of ANTISIONISTS.

            It refers more than directly, the next Zionist Goebbels heir concocted the anti-Russian KAL, and you translated it.
            1. Professor
              17 October 2013 14: 25
              -2
              You are an ordinary anti-Semite no matter what name you are hiding. Such as you I usually do not feed and you will not become an exception. Another thing Native American Joe, he is a funny novice anti-Semite. Sometimes it is a pleasure to teach him.

              Quote: Realist58
              It refers more than directly, the next Zionist Goebbels heir concocted the anti-Russian KAL, and you translated it.

              What did you write or translate? Rhetorical question.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 17 October 2013 14: 28
                +2
                The professor at least somehow enlivens the forum. Otherwise, they would have died away ...
              2. Realist58
                Realist58 17 October 2013 14: 37
                +5
                Professor, yes Allah’s barn is with you)) Well, why bother question by question. I already believe that you are a Jew.
                And you don’t have to drop your karma in my eyes using hackneyed phrases like anti-Emitism, anti-Semitism, etc.
                Firstly, the Zionists are not the most numerous among the Semites, and not all Zionists are Semites.
                And secondly, I am NOT afraid of YUDOV (a phobia is a fear).

                Threat. And by the way, MIRACLE-UDO swallowing people alive is just a coincidence, or the story turned into an epic (fabulous) form ???
              3. Realist58
                Realist58 17 October 2013 14: 41
                +1
                I repent, did not translate. I don’t know Hebrew, but from English only for personal use.

                Why are you interested in? You have nothing to read, or just interesting? Books for the general reader, I have not written yet.
              4. The Indian Joe
                The Indian Joe 20 October 2013 17: 06
                +1
                Another thing Native American Joe, he is a funny novice anti-Semite.
                - I congratulate you, citizen, deceit. Choose who you should be called - a nonsense or a slanderer, a storyteller. I’m not anti-Semite, for you, so be it, I’ll spend a little educational program so that you cease to feel like a know-it-all for at least half an hour.
                To begin with, let's see who the Semites are.
                According to the source, the Arabs, Maltese, descendants of the ancient representatives of the southern subgroup of the South Semites in South Arabia (Makhri, Shahri, inhabitants of Socotra Island, etc.), Amhara, Tigre and a number of other ethnic groups of Ethiopia, Jews, Novosyrians are among the Semitic-speaking peoples. That is, the Jews are just one of the many peoples of the Semitic group. And by declaring that a person is an anti-Semite, you are, in fact, declaring that he is opposed to all the peoples of this group, practically calling the person a racist! That, in relation to me, is a direct lie and a substitution of concepts - I have a tolerant attitude towards ALL peoples of the world, dividing people not by the shape of their skulls and skin color, but solely by their political views and worldview. So, in particular, I consider nationalists to be extremely harmful to the entire civilization - to which, without a doubt, you belong. I really don't like liars and slanderers - because of your involvement in lies and slander, I had the opportunity to see how and when you made statements about Elena Gromova, unreasonably calling her a "mercenary" - just on the basis that she works in Syria and is not her a citizen - although to my persistent questions, with a request to provide laws or resolutions that a person who meets only two or three criteria for determining a mercenary can be considered a mercenary, you did not give an answer, instead calling me a troll - you, a person who is a troll - according to many members of the forum of this resource !!!
                Now you call me an anti-Semite - by allowing a direct lie and indulging in slander. However, you have never been alien to lies before - for example, your statement that only Judaists who have passed the giyur can be considered Jews, if I recalled your nonsense. This is despite the fact that Israeli law recognizes a person as a Jew if he was born a Jew - regardless of whether he is a believer or not, goes to the synagogue or not, considers himself a Judaist or not!
                While
                From the point of view of Jewish law of Halacha, based on the decrees of the Talmudic scholars, “a Jew is a person born of a Jewish mother or converted to Jewry in accordance with the religious canon (giyur)”
                1. Professor
                  20 October 2013 17: 45
                  -2
                  Quote: Injun Joe
                  I'm not anti-Semite

                  You are a typical anti-Semite hiding under the guise of an anti-Zionist. You have already figured it out once and since then your "love" for a Jew has not changed at all.

                  Quote: Injun Joe
                  for example, your statement that only Judaists can be considered Jews,

                  You are also a dreamer and an ignoramus, I do not use the word "Judaist" and you have no idea who is a Jew and who is not, but you are trying to argue.

                  Quote: Injun Joe
                  This is despite the fact that Israeli law recognizes a person as a Jew if he was born a Jew - regardless of whether he is a believer or not, goes to the synagogue or not, considers himself a Judaist or not!

                  You do not perceive incoming information. Find a Muslim Jew then and discuss the giyur. wink
                  Doesn’t. Prepare yourself for the discussion more carefully. It’s not for you praises of Elena Gromova.

                  PS
                  I can’t wait to see you flashing your knowledge. laughing
                  1. The Indian Joe
                    The Indian Joe 21 October 2013 11: 59
                    +2
                    You are a typical anti-Semite hiding under the guise of an anti-Zionist
                    - Lying.
                    However, you can try to prove that I hate Arabs, Maltese, and other Semites. So, I'm waiting for proof in your unsubstantiated delirium laughing

                    I do not use the word "Judaist"
                    - You perfectly understood who I was talking about. If not, then I overestimated your intelligence.

                    Find a Muslim Jew
                    - why, because it is full of Jewish atheists wink Here you are, for example)

                    It’s not for you praises to Elena Gromova
                    - Have you already found the evidence base on the basis of which you can confirm that a person is considered a mercenary in accordance with only two criteria - the absence of Syrian citizenship and the receipt of a salary from the Syrian government? bully You, as you sit in a puddle, for some reason persistently either keep silent about a topic that is slippery for you, or are looking for an excuse to end the discussion, angrily calling your opponent a troll - "I will not feed you anymore")))
                    What can you do - you already, consider old age, senile nerves, your mind weakens, even your character and will to admit your mistake, and then you don’t have enough ... lol

                    You were well characterized above -
                    This is clinging to absurd trifles, distorting facts, humiliating comparisons, some petty rat-rats or something and a sense of superiority sticking out of one's pants. It’s awkward to read, and after reading it remains a sense of disgust that I have plunged into something nasty.


                    I can’t wait until you show off your knowledge
                    - tell me, when was the last time you wrote your article? Not a translation, but your own, author’s article?
                    1. Professor
                      21 October 2013 12: 27
                      -1
                      Quote: Injun Joe
                      However, you can try to prove that I hate Arabs, Maltese, and other Semites.

                      Your attitude towards one Jew makes you a typical (nothing special) anti-Semite.

                      Quote: Injun Joe
                      You perfectly understood who I was talking about. If not, then I overestimated your intelligence.

                      I perfectly understood that you are fantasizing. Where did I apply this term?

                      Quote: Injun Joe
                      why, because it is full of Jewish atheists Here you are, for example)

                      What for? For determining. And where did I tell you that I am an atheist? Fantasy again?

                      Quote: Injun Joe
                      - Have you already found the evidence base on the basis of which you can confirm that a person is considered a mercenary in accordance with only two criteria - the absence of Syrian citizenship and the receipt of a salary from the Syrian government?

                      Where did this "journalist-writer" go? Where is her agitation? Is Assad in trouble with cash? wink

                      Quote: Injun Joe
                      What can you do - you already have an old age, old age nerves, your mind weakens, even your character and will to admit your mistake, and then you don’t have enough ..

                      And how old do you think I am?

                      Quote: Injun Joe
                      tell me, when was the last time you wrote your article? Not a translation, but your own, author’s article?

                      I have not written the last one yet. Karainai (since you yourself are too lazy to see through) wrote on September 16 of this year. And when are you?
                      Autonomous towed howitzer ATHOS 2052
                      1. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 22 October 2013 10: 24
                        0
                        Your attitude towards Jews alone makes you a typical (nothing special) anti-Semite
                        “I asked for evidence, not just another portion of your lies.” Give evidence of my negative remarks about ALL PEOPLES OF THE SEMITIC GROUP, not just Jews.

                        Where did I apply this term
                        - why this one? There are synonyms and phrases implying it. You mentioned them in your discussion of the question whether a non-believing Jew, born of a Jewess, not living in Israel and not having his citizenship, can be considered a Jew.

                        Where did this "journalist-writer" go?
                        - and it doesn’t matter where she went, the important thing is that you burned libelously at her - when you said that she was a mercenary, having, as it turned out, no good reason tongue

                        And how old do you think I am?
                        - You are already at the age of decreased intelligence, aggravation of senile sores and impending insanity. But I won’t call the exact number, because I still won’t be able to prove it, but I don’t want to bear unproven nonsense all the time, becoming like you.

                        Karainuyu
                        - Never tease or blame anyone for spelling mistakes, Professor. After all, we're not dictated here wink
                      2. Professor
                        22 October 2013 10: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Give as evidence my negative remarks against ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE SEMITIC GROUP, and not just the Jews.

                        You are also a demagogue. In order to be an anti-Semite, it is enough to hate only Jews alone, and not all Semitic peoples. So you are the ordinary anti-Semite in the amount of one piece.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        There are synonyms and phrases implying it.

                        Understandably, again demagogy and gag.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        that you burned for slandering her - when you claimed that she was a mercenary

                        So she apparently is a mercenary. I even directly asked her to clarify the source of funding for her activities, but she chose not to reveal these secrets. So, it’s most likely Assad who pays her extra money. wink

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        - You are already at the age of decreased intelligence, aggravation of senile sores and impending insanity.

                        good

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        never tease or blame anyone for spelling mistakes, Professor. After all, we're not dictated here

                        So I repeat my question: When did you (write your latest or latest publication)? Are you satisfied with mine? wink
                      3. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 23 October 2013 10: 31
                        0
                        In order to be an anti-Semite, it is enough to hate only Jews alone, and not all Semitic peoples.
                        - Again, unproven nonsense, reflecting only your point of view, well, maybe the point of view is still a couple of such fat terry nationalists like you. But the reality you expressed insanity has nothing to do.

                        Understandably, again demagogy and gag.
                        - demagogy and gag, your quote about anti-Semites. What is it, if someone hates all Arabs - also Semites - then he is not an anti-Semite, and if someone hates Jews, then he is an anti-Semite? By the way, liar - prove that I hate Jews. Yes, I do not like nationalists and Zionists - as many Jews do not like them. But I am tolerant of the Jews as a nation, therefore, your statement that I am an anti-Semite in the sense that I am an "anti-Jew" is false, false and unsubstantiated. Let me quote my statements against all Jews - and not against a bunch of dirty Zionists, you liar.
                        By the way, it would not hurt you to read what the Jews themselves say about the Zionists:
                        There is another need for anti-Semitism - about which most Jews themselves speak in a whisper as a shameful illness of a family member. Zionism as a political movement, proclaiming as its goal the departure of all Jews to the Promised Land, minus the declared religious goals, is in its form and essence a nationalist trend, i.e., RACIST
                        . Posted by Michael Ingerlab.

                        So she apparently is a mercenary.
                        - yeah, already "most likely"? Professor, you know the saying, when you see something (it seems) - you need to cross? YOUR personal opinion in this matter is not interesting to anyone, what matters is that the norms of international law say about Elena's status. And according to them, a person is not considered a mercenary if he meets only two criteria for determining a mercenary - work in a foreign country without its citizenship. If this is not the case, I ask for a quote on the relevant documents (in Russian, of course) - to the studio. Not a listing of all the signs of a mercenary, but a direct text, which clearly states that a person like Gromova, working for money in a country whose citizenship does not have, is a mercenary. In the meantime, you are a demagogue - a demagogue, a liar, and a slanderer. This is not an insult, this is calling things by their proper names.
                        And when did you (write your latest or last post)
                        - I, professor, once already explained to you about articles, I see that you really enjoy senile sclerosis - every day there is so much new! tongue Reread my correspondence with you on another article, there you will find an exhaustive answer to your question.
                      4. Professor
                        23 October 2013 10: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        - demagogy and gag your quote about anti-Semites.

                        Yes, you go to the wiki (you don’t need more):
                        Anti-Semitism is a form of national intolerance, expressed in a hostile attitude towards Jews as an ethnic or religious group, often based on prejudice [1]. Anti-Semitism is a type of xenophobia [2] [3] [4] [5]. The term refers to hostility towards Jews and / or Jews, and not to all peoples of the Semitic language group [2]
                        Gag? wink

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        But I am tolerant of the Jews as a nation, therefore, your statement that I am an anti-Semite in the sense that I am an "anti-Jew" is false, false and unsubstantiated.

                        It has repeatedly proved this to you. If you have problems with reading comprehension, then this is your problem.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        all the signs of a mercenary,

                        I repeat poorly understanding only twice, you will not become an exception. Reread the links that I posted on the topic.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        I, professor, once already explained to you about the articles, I see that you really enjoy senile sclerosis - every day there is so much new!

                        Of course I remember. You have written thousands of articles, but you cannot link to any of them. Is "Word about Igor's Regiment" also Vasa's work?

                        I am waiting for you to show off your knowledge and do not be shy, please contact at any time, I will arrange an educational program for you. hi
                      5. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 24 October 2013 10: 10
                        0
                        Have you cited the definition of the European Congress on Anti-Semitism set forth in the Wiki? I choked on him, because there are about 400 million Semites in the world, 350 million Arabs, only about fifteen million Jews from them, and they suggest that I consider anti-Semites those who oppose one of the not so many Semitic peoples? No, really. In addition, I’m telling you again - I am tolerant of Jews, because you will repeat the lie, it will not become true - I hate nationalism, and nationalists in their various manifestations and forms - Zionism, racism and so on. Especially nationalists like you.

                        As for "thousands of articles have been written" - for those who are on an armored train with hellish sclerosis, I repeat: because of the specifics of the copywriter's work, after selling the text, he cannot place his last name, nickname, or a link to his profile under the article. What's the use of giving you a link to the text I wrote, for example, to this one: http://www.220-volt.ru/advise-2277770/, if due to the specifics of the copywriter's work my authorship is not indicated under it ? I sell the text to the customer, and he places it on the resource himself. I have already chewed all this for you, I will not feed you on this topic in the future.

                        I'll give you an educational program
                        - you know, I looked at articles signed by "Professor" - I don't need an educational program from a person who writes or translates so lousy that under his articles, as a rule, dozens of minuses - and there are often more minuses than pluses. And I appreciate the opinion of members of the forum about me, two or three minuses wherever it went, but when there are TENS of them, I would not take such a person as a mentor, for me the disapproval of the audience is a sign of unprofessionalism. IMHO, it would not hurt you to go through some kind of educational program.

                        all the signs of a mercenary ...

                        Reread the links that I posted on the topic
                        - I reread them - it says NOWHERE that a foreigner who receives a salary in the host country and does not take part in battles can be considered a mercenary, only on the basis of meeting these two criteria - while there are much more of them. Your accusations are far-fetched, and marasmus like "She (Gromova) is a soldier of information war", generally cause laughter wassat
                      6. Professor
                        24 October 2013 10: 29
                        -2
                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Have you cited the definition of the European Congress on Anti-Semitism set forth in the Wiki? I cheated on him

                        The whole company does not keep up and only I keep up. I repeat, enough for you and wiki. Last time, you are a kind of primitive anti-Semite hiding behind the mask of an anti-Zionist.

                        About "wrote thousands of articles"

                        You're just lying. You can claim that you have written millions of articles but "because of the specifics of the work" you cannot prove your authorship. All clear. I see you, too, have posted tens, hundreds and thousands of articles on this site, but "because of the specifics of the work" under someone else's nicknames. wink

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        You know, I looked at articles signed by "Professor" - I don't need an educational program from a person who writes or translates so lousy that there are usually dozens of minuses under his articles - and there are often more minuses than pluses.

                        Go ahead, show off your knowledge and write your articles and see other people better than me and get a lot of advantages. 3.14. It’s always easier to ride. Is not it? laughing

                        As for the lady, I will not feed you as promised.

                        Looks like I can’t wait until you show off your knowledge. Everyone can talk, but not everyone is enough for a more serious one.

                        There will be questions on materiel, please contact, education. hi
                      7. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 25 October 2013 14: 20
                        +1
                        a kind of primitive anti-Semite in
                        - blah blah blah. No matter how much you say "halva", its taste will not appear in your mouth, no matter how much you repeat your lies and slander about others, they will not become true.
                        You can claim that you have written millions of articles but "due to the specifics of the work" you cannot prove your authorship
                        - I told you that trolls in general, and you, the troll, in particular, on this subject will not feed anymore?
                        As for the lady, I will not feed you as promised.
                        - The last time, as soon as I asked you to bring the relevant documents, on the basis of which a foreigner receiving a salary in Syria can be considered a mercenary, you immediately began to repeat the same laughing What the following clearly shows - you have no answer, all of Gromova’s accusations are based only on personal speculations and free interpretations of UN resolutions, which in reality have nothing to do with reality)

                        There will be questions on materiel - contact, education
                        - I saw how many minuses there are for your "materiel" on your articles, so if I have any questions, I will turn to someone more competent than you, fortunately, there are enough of them here.

                        And on the topic of communication - read it again, since the last time you did not comment (froze?):
                        There is another need for anti-Semitism - about which more often Sami Jews speak in a whisper as a shameful illness of a family member. Zionism as a political movement, proclaiming as its goal the departure of all Jews to the Promised Land, minus the proclaimed religious goals, is in its form and essence a nationalistic trend, i.e., RACIST.

                        Posted by Michael Ingerlab.
                      8. Professor
                        25 October 2013 14: 40
                        -1
                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        I saw how many cons for your "materiel" on your articles, so if I have any questions, I will turn to someone more competent than you, fortunately, there are enough of them here.

                        Cons and pros it is for children on facebook. In my articles I was convicted of incompetence? That and that. So contact, education and materiel and on the definition of who are Jews and anti-Semites.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Posted by Michael Ingerlab.

                        Is this your guru? Has its definition become a classic (rhetorical question)? Once again, it’s hard for you and the wiki to understand. Start with the basics.
                      9. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 27 October 2013 10: 31
                        0
                        Cons and pros this is for kids on facebook
                        - No, this is an assessment by the audience of the quality of writing an article - readability, nausea (there is such a term in copywriting), fascination and entertaining, and many other indicators.

                        Judging by the constant drawbacks on your articles - you write SUSTAINLY, just like that, they don’t give negative ratings for articles on this resource.

                        Posted by Michael Ingerlab.
                        - No, just an ordinary Jew, melee (1 dan Aikido), a doctor, writer, a talented and versatile personality.

                        Don't like him? Then read the exact definition of your nonsense from other authors:
                        Zionists condemn any opposition to Zionism as a manifestation of anti-Semitism.

                        ... But as a patriot of Israel and as a philosopher, I am convinced that Jewish resistance to Zionism is the most important element of the honest discussion of the past, present and future of Israel that is so lacking in us now.


                        The author is a member of the Royal Society (Academy) of Canada and Professor of Tel Aviv University Joseph Agassi.
                      10. atalef
                        atalef 27 October 2013 10: 43
                        0
                        Judging by the constant drawbacks on your articles - you write SUSTAINLY, just like that, they don’t give negative ratings for articles on this resource.

                        Well, first they put it, and secondly thanks to the professor and thanks to people like him, we get info about many modern developments and advanced weapon systems
                      11. Professor
                        27 October 2013 10: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        this is an assessment by the audience of the quality of writing an article - readability, nausea (there is such a term in copywriting), fascination and amusement, and many other indicators.

                        You fantasize as always. The articles I have written are "very popular" bully I do not pretend to quality translations, I am not a translator. The downsides are mainly those topics that I choose to translate, and even then mostly from cheers. You yourself are not even capable of such articles and translations, but everyone knows how to tremble.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        just an ordinary Jew, melee (1 dan aikido), doctor, writer, talented and versatile personality.

                        Doctor? We have tens of thousands of doctors and marginals, thank God among them, too. Here, as in your other judgments, you demonstrate complete non-knowledge of the material. You would give Israel Shamir an example. fool

                        Teach materiel. hi

                        PS
                        The anti-Semite who has not been prepared now has gone; he has to learn everything himself. It becomes boring. sad
                      12. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 29 October 2013 10: 27
                        0
                        Again you are for your blah blah blah. That the articles are minded not for the quality of the translation, but for the topics you lied to - you yourself wrote that
                        I don’t pretend to quality translations, I’m not a translator
                        - if not a translator, then why translate? If you're translating, why is it so bad? And then you try to sculpt pathetic excuses "hurray-patriots will pass", really, you are ridiculous wink Do not know how to write well, do not know how to translate well - say so.
                        Your tales are simply ridiculous. But I am glad that nationalists like you have become so stupid - they can’t insert quotes into the topic or pick up a document from UN resolutions.
                        Where is the evidence that Elena Gromova, receiving a salary in Syria, and not being her citizen, can be considered a mercenary only on the basis of these two points? No! wassat

                        "You would have cited Israel Shamir as an example." - why did you, a Jewish nationalist, decide that Zionism is the dominant trend among Jews? In Ukraine, Bandera's people with brain nationalism reason exactly like you - "If we consider ourselves patriots of Ukraine, then we are in the majority, and all others are marginalized."

                        anti-Semite went
                        - anti-Zionist, not anti-Semite. You, the slanderer and the liar, have not proved that I am an anti-Semite. They didn’t bring my anti-Semitic statements, they didn’t give examples of my hostility to all Jews in a row, in a word, they didn’t provide any evidence at all - that is, you are ordinary Balabol.

                        About
                      13. Professor
                        29 October 2013 10: 34
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                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Do not know how to write well, do not know how to translate well - say so.

                        I am waiting for you to write a quality article and immediately give up this is not a thankful task. Everyone knows how to tryndet. fellow

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        You, the slanderer and the liar, have not proved that I am an anti-Semite.

                        You are a petty, poorly educated anti-Semite. You are many such. You still tell me that you have the best friends of the Jews. Anti-Semites usually say so.

                        Looks like I can’t wait when you show off your knowledge (due to the lack thereof) so I won’t waste time on you. If educational program is needed, then contact. I’ll help you by old memory. wink
                      14. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 31 October 2013 10: 13
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                        I’m waiting for you to write a quality article and immediately drop it. This is not a thankful exercise
                        - yeah, and when I write the article, you will say that it is "not of high quality", and you will continue to litter the Internet with your sludge, right? We swam, we know - you can't take your word for it.

                        Everyone knows how to tryndet.
                        - Well, where am I going to you. I could not slander Yelega Gromova, calling her a mercenary without good reason, not like you, a liar.

                        You are petty ... anti-Semite.
                        - blah blah blah blasphemy professor laughing Have you already found examples of my anti-Semitic statements? For example, "All Jews need that", or "All Jews are such and such"? If not, then you are a BALABOL.

                        I can’t wait
                        - you know, I stopped telling weakly 15 years ago. And you are an old sclerotic, who does not remember what I wrote, and who is too lazy to raise his ass and see the correspondence, since there are comments on the network, so I will remind you - I already said that I make money by writing articles. This is my work, I can write a limited amount of high-quality text per day - and here I rest, reading the article and comments that interest me. Tighten, proving to various Jewish nationalists like you, Professor, that I can write an article, it makes no sense or benefit, and I'm not going to do it. Although - invite me to write an article for money, at my usual rates - I might think about it. is it worth it wink Although I have enough work from regular customers, to which you will never be.

                        Well, then, shit, I’ll wait from you for my quotes not pulled out of the context, proving that I treat all the Jews negatively? Ah, the slander-liar? Well, you lost, troll. You, Natsiks, are all like that - as soon as you are pushed into a corner - go to an unproven flood. And a hundred times to repeat as evidence a lie, like you, I will not - you are a nationalist, this is worse than an anti-Zionist.
                      15. Professor
                        31 October 2013 10: 25
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                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        yeah, and when I write the article, you say that it is "not of high quality", and you will continue to litter the Internet with your crap, right? We swam, we know - you can't take your word for it.

                        And first you write, we look at the number of views, the rating and most importantly how much it will go to other sites. wink

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Have you already found examples of my anti-Semitic statements?

                        Already poked your anti-Semitic stigma in a bunch, but in return heard: However, you can try to prove that I hate Arabs, Maltese, and other Semites. Poke again?

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        you know, I stopped telling weakly 15 years ago.

                        I know, I know 3.14, don’t roll bags. Knowledge when you flash (rhetorical question)? Well, even if not in the article so in the comments? Or do you and in the comments brains rest?

                        Although - invite me to write an article for money, at my usual rates - I might think about it.

                        How much are your services today? wink
                      16. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 31 October 2013 10: 44
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                        And you first write
                        - are you hard-going? wink Well I said that I'm not fond of "weak".

                        we will look at the number of views, rating
                        - it is unlikely that there will be as many minuses as on the last articles you posted laughing

                        Poke again
                        - that is, you will say once again "you are an anti-Semite2? Well, go ahead - I'm already waiting for the post that you, balabol, will prove to me that I hate all Jews by posting my corresponding statements.

                        Knowledge when you flash
                        - you wrote something there about resting brains, I see that they definitely have a rest - re-read the very first phrase of this post.

                        How much are your services today?
                        - what kind of services? Copywriting, seo copywriting, rewriting, translation? However, I’m not at all sure that I want to see you, a slanderer, a liar, and a Russophobe nationalist as my client.
                      17. Professor
                        31 October 2013 10: 54
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                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        it is unlikely that there will be as many minuses as on the last articles you posted

                        "laid out" or written "by me? Poke your nose here too?" wink

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        - you wrote something there about resting brains, I see that they definitely have a rest - re-read the very first phrase of this post.

                        How much do you charge for writing information and knowledge-bearing comments?

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        what kind of services? Copywriting, seo copywriting, rewriting, translation? However, I’m not at all sure that I want to see you, a slanderer, a liar, and a Russophobe nationalist as my client.

                        Translation, original articles. wink And what have I to do with it. This site has an administration and it will pay for your "quality" work.
                      18. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 31 October 2013 11: 05
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                        "laid out" or written "by me?
                        - Are you nervous, forgotten how to read?

                        How much do you charge for writing information and knowledge-bearing comments?
                        - such heh .. I do not do it. Not all the same as Israeli students in the service of the Government of Israel: http://russian.rt.com/article/16421
                        authorities pay youth for positive comments on the Internet


                        Translation, original articles
                        - what language is the translation from? Learn to spell out the terms of reference.

                        This site has an administration and it will pay for your "quality" work
                        - I do not think that this proposal will be interesting to me. When I am going to write something "for myself", I do it for free, and at will to create, and not from the instigation of any Jewish nationalist-liars laughing
                      19. Professor
                        31 October 2013 11: 11
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                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Are you nervous, forgotten how to read?

                        What are you? I can write. So articles "written" by me or "translated" by me? Explain the difference? By the way, I'm not doing copy-paste.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        How much do you charge for writing information and knowledge-bearing comments? - such heh .. I do not do it. Not Yet As Israeli Students Serving The Government Of Israel

                        1. Then why do not you write such comments for free? That is why do not write them at all?
                        2. That I am your student, that old senile ...

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        - what language is the translation from? Learn to spell out the terms of reference.

                        I simplify the task: for writing original articles. I suspect that with the translation it doesn’t work out because of not knowing foreign languages.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        I don't think I will be interested in this proposal. When I am going to write something "for myself", I do it for free, and at will to create, and not from the instigation of any Jewish nationalist-liars

                        Who would doubt that. You are predictable and boring.
                      20. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 31 October 2013 11: 27
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                        So articles "written" by me or "translated" by me? - I clearly wrote - "The articles you have posted", what is not clear to you? laughing

                        I’m your student, then I’m an old senile ...
                        - again you are lying, I did not call you a student or a senile, I just assumed that you had senile senility. However, you know better who you are, although, IMHO, you are clearly not pulling on a student.

                        Then why don't you write such comments for free? That is why do not write them at all
                        - Why should I write pro-Israeli positive comments for free?

                        for writing original articles
                        - I say again, learn the materiel and learn to accurately formulate the terms of reference. What kind of "original article" is required - copywriting, seo-copywriting? Or maybe it's still rewriting? After me, a unique text with a high degree of originality is obtained, practically not similar to the original! I see that you are not even able to formulate the technical assignment precisely, and then you are surprised at the heap of minuses in the estimates.

                        And - you please lay out an example of my anti-Semitic statements? Or at least those quotes that you decide to appoint as such?
                        Well - about Elena Gromova, when will you prove that receiving a salary by a foreign citizen in another country makes him a mercenary? I'm afraid the lying nationalist Professor, that you NEVER prove it. laughing
                      21. Professor
                        31 October 2013 12: 24
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                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        So articles "written" by me or "translated" by me? - I clearly wrote - "The articles you have posted", what is not clear to you?

                        I do not understand which of the laid out articles of the claim. If to translated, then I agree with every minus. Topics I choose "against the current" and I'm not a translator. If about written by me, then you wishful thinking.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        why should I write pro-positive positive comments for free?

                        If the knowledge of the materiel is pro-Israeli, then I will go smoke a bamboo.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        After me, I get a unique text with a high degree of originality, almost not similar to the original!

                        I understand and ask again. How much do you take for writing an article on a topic about which no one has written yet. For example (just for example) about the Swedish landing boat? Not copywriting, non-copywriting and rewriting? Write from scratch how I do it.
                      22. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 31 October 2013 20: 59
                        +1
                        Professor, my articles (copywriting) on ​​average cost about $ 15-20 per thousand characters - with photos, compilation, fine-tuning after reading by the customer, and other goodies. But let it not concern you, I do not work for nationalists in principle. And I’m not taking up all the topics - for example, I wouldn’t describe the emergence and development of Israeli homosexuality laughing

                        And now I once again ask you to give an example of my anti-Jewish statements. Do not do this during the day - you will be considered a bragging balabol.
                      23. Professor
                        31 October 2013 23: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        But let it not concern you, I do not work for nationalists in principle.

                        I'm not for myself, but I'm worried about this site. Suddenly I think you will enrich it with your works, but as far as I can see you absolutely do not understand the military topic, so it remains only to write about homosexuals to you.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Professor, my articles (copywriting) on ​​average cost about $ 15-20 per thousand characters - with photos, compilation, fine-tuning after reading by the customer, and other goodies.

                        laughing I knew that you are writing for America. Such rates are sometimes there. About translations, I appreciated your joke - not knowing foreign languages ​​is not easy to translate.
                        How much copywriter earns?

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Do not do this during the day - you will be considered a bragging balabol.

                        Put ultimatums in the yard punks similar to you. bully

                        On the run, march to learn the materiel so that more opuses from the S-400 to the Grads are not repeated.
  • nik6006
    nik6006 17 October 2013 19: 09
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    Citizens of antisemites, you have chosen an interesting platform for discussing your sores. Just do not understand how everything you say relates to what is written in the article? request
    Would you go to the appropriate resource and cry to each other there. crying


    It discusses an article on Russian weapons and the attitude of the writer and translator towards them, which is absolutely consistent with the site. The attitude is obvious, tendentious, and understandable - unfriendly, repeated from article to article, from translation to translation, and earlier there were laudatory articles in honor of Jewish technology. The site from which these articles are taken is filled with such "creativity" and oozes contempt for everything non-Jewish, in particular Russian. For me it is quite obvious that the professor takes pleasure in bringing to light essays that are empty from a technical point of view, but which express a disdainful attitude towards everything Russian and an enthusiastic attitude towards Jewish things.
    The accusation of anti-Semites, I reject as absurd. Crying, hmm, this is such a wall in Jerusalem, it won’t work here. Show your sore to which doctor I have already advised. Well, this srach was divorced by a professor to pay attention to his painful mania of hatred for everything Russian.
    1. Professor
      17 October 2013 21: 18
      -2
      Quote: nik6006
      The attitude is obvious, biased, and understandable - unfriendly, repeating from article to article, from translation to translation, and earlier there were laudatory articles in honor of Jewish technology.

      Paranoia is not always cured. Where did you see "The attitude is obvious, tendentious, and understandable - unfriendly"? Give an example, pliz.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 17 October 2013 15: 41
    +3
    Quote: xetai9977
    The planes are certainly great. I have no words. But the time of the attack aircraft is already running out ....

    At first they think that the time of one or another is running out. And then they catch on, and begin to recall and restore the long-forgotten old. It is good that this attack aircraft has not yet been forgotten, but continues to serve. He has the possibility of modernization, and not small.
  • w2000
    w2000 17 October 2013 17: 38
    +1
    What is this strange title of the article? Why "Russian A-10"? Maybe it's the A-10 - the American Su-25.
  • Cat
    Cat 17 October 2013 19: 28
    +1
    It is possible to argue about the advantages / disadvantages of the Su-25 compared to the A-10 for a long time, tediously, and to no purpose, since the machines were originally created for slightly different tasks. And the article slapped a minus for the name, after all, "Rook" - the plane is quite recognizable, with its own history, meaning to breed verbiage? If the author just wanted to show off - so you can write a more different title, like "The Russian analogue of the American version of IL-2". And what - both creative and patriotic, and it is clear that we are talking about assault aviation (and not about any fighters there))))
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 17 October 2013 23: 30
      0
      Quote: Cat
      You can argue about the advantages / disadvantages of the Su-25 compared to the A-10 for a long, tedious, and pointless, as the machines were originally created for slightly different tasks.

      Of course, our military wanted an anti-tank attack aircraft, but they didn’t understand that the Sukhovites swore and swore that they would create something similar on its base, but they didn’t have time, the USSR disappeared ... The Americans succeeded in anti-tank attack, but apart from their anti-tank capabilities they could perform normal tasks.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 17 October 2013 21: 37
    +1
    I don’t know to whom, as for me, the "rook" is awesome and very successful attack aircraft with an oily reserve of survivability. I am proud of the designers and the country that created it. hi
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 17 October 2013 23: 32
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      I don’t know to whom, as for me, the "rook" is awesome and very successful attack aircraft with an oily reserve of survivability

      it’s only absolutely blind, it cannot detect targets on its own, it’s good if the pilot has good eyesight ....
  • gawroche
    gawroche 17 October 2013 22: 31
    0
    I completely agree with nik6006, and I will say this: SU25 is worldwide as a combat training because of these events. A-10 were not exported and used only in the USA
  • scientist
    scientist 17 October 2013 23: 04
    0
    Imbued with respect for the Su-25 when I saw a photograph of it at an airfield in Afghanistan after a stinger hit the engine directly. The second engine did not lose its performance and the pilot was able to land.
    I wonder if there were cases of missiles getting into the A-10 engine, and could the pilot then land the plane?
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 17 October 2013 23: 38
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      Quote: scientist
      I wonder if there were cases of missiles getting into the A-10 engine, and could the pilot then land the plane?

      There is, in the photo, the result of the Igla MANPADS, only the design of the tail section does not allow to get into the engine, because it is shielded by the tail horizontal plane.
    2. Windbreak
      Windbreak 18 October 2013 10: 53
      0
      This is during the war in South Ossetia. And with the A-10 this happened
    3. Windbreak
      Windbreak 18 October 2013 11: 29
      0
      In Iraq and Yugoslavia
    4. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 18 October 2013 20: 57
      0
      Another perspective of this aircraft.

      And one more damaged

  • Ramadan
    Ramadan 18 October 2013 00: 15
    +1
    But the title of the article was not invented by the author very much. An ingratiating comparison.
  • nightingale
    nightingale 18 October 2013 00: 15
    0
    "The time of attack aircraft has passed" Well, probably the generals are preparing for the past wars: in Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, now in Syria. they began with no flight zones. and what to do with a bunch of attack aircraft, after all, they cannot fly. therefore they prefer to buy heavy fighters with the ability to work on the ground. the main thing is to report to the generals about this possibility and the women of the soldiers will still give birth.
  • Maximus-xnumx
    Maximus-xnumx 19 October 2013 07: 24
    0
    Physically, many planes are out of date and are falling. The same story with MI-8.
  • Oml
    Oml April 7 2014 18: 49
    0
    Rook is a great car. Opportunities are not exhausted.