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Ukraine has developed a unique set of anti-shock weapons

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Ukraine has developed a unique set of anti-shock weapons



Today weapon with optical-electronic guidance systems is approximately 80% in service with the leading countries of the world. The experience of military operations in modern conditions has shown a significant advantage and prospects for the use of high-precision weapons (WTO) compared with traditional means of protection.

Ukraine has always been at the forefront of military-technical developments, and today the State enterprises of Ukroboronservis and the Kvant Research Institute are developing a newest complex of optical-electronic countermeasures based on the experienced Chestnut-3M. Accurate information is currently classified.

In 2006, the first experimental complex Chestnut-3М was developed, which was the beginning of a whole family of special systems. The complex is designed to protect critical objects from missiles, shells and aerial bombs with semi-active laser homing heads.

The complex, located near critical facilities, such as a nuclear power plant, can not only catch the laser beam, but also expose a more powerful false illumination that takes a missile or bomb far from the target. Such a laser spot cannot be seen with the eye, but the equipment copes with it.

In addition, the pilot, launching guided missiles from the air, will assume that there are malfunctions in his guidance equipment. Thus, this equipment itself is, among other things, barely noticeable, it is very difficult to detect it.

In the course of long practical tests conducted by experts of the Research Institute "Kvant" together with the military, it was found that all the guided bombs dropped on the target, using a mobile automated complex of optical-electronic countermeasures, deviated from the targets hit at a safe distance.

According to the developers, the complex is able to simultaneously repel an attack of two or three dozen high-precision missiles. This method of protection does not require the use of consumable ammunition, the breakdown of targeting the striking elements of precision weapons occurs without their fire damage, which significantly reduces the cost of combat use. The Kashtan-3m complex is mounted on the basis of the KrAZ vehicle.

The basis of the complex is a receiver of laser radiation and a device for setting a false laser target. Receivers of laser radiation - retractable, they are installed on each side of the box. The device for setting a false laser target (LLC) is located on the base, on the roof of the complex. The complex "Chestnut-3m" also includes a control panel of the complex, drive controls for the production of LLC, controls and switching of the primary power supply.

The complex has a fairly high detection rate of laser radiation, which is more targeted than the pointer — at least 0,9. The probability of moving the attacking ammunition into the zone of a false laser target is not less than 0,6. Such indicators are confirmed by practical tests of the complex. According to the developers, the main component of the complex is not its material part, but the algorithm of work and software created on the basis of a long study of the practical experience of using weapons with a laser guidance system and tactics of its use.

At the moment there is information about the continuation of work on the modernization of the complex and the reduction of its size. According to unconfirmed information, a certain Asian country was very interested in this complex. It is planned to use this complex to protect industrial facilities and command posts. At the same time, information appeared about the installation of this complex for promising samples of armored vehicles and, in particular, for the main battle tank.

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  1. svp67
    svp67 14 October 2013 08: 01 New
    +4
    At the moment, there is information about the continuation of work to modernize the complex and reduce its size. According to unconfirmed information, a certain Asian country was very interested in this complex.

    Well, it’s really not possible to openly write the name of this country, just five letters - CHINA

    It is planned to use this complex for the protection of industrial facilities and command posts. At the same time, information appeared about the installation of this complex on promising models of armored vehicles, and in particular on the main battle tank.
    Well, the "shield" has received development, we should expect changes in the "sword"
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 14 October 2013 09: 26 New
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      Ukraine has always been at the forefront of military-technical developments


      good mmm, I would really like to get the whole list of "advanced" developments, especially those in the series.
      1. afire
        afire 14 October 2013 09: 49 New
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        What independent developments of Ukraine are we talking about?
        There are China customers with money.
        There are performers-Ukraine on beans.
        China fully sponsors development.

        A precedent and we had this, remember the creation of the Shell.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 14 October 2013 10: 11 New
          +3
          A precedent and we had this, remember the creation of the Shell.

          Yeah, only the Shell went to our troops too.
          But still, this is just a continuation of the development of the Tunguska.
    2. Akim
      Akim 14 October 2013 10: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Well, the "shield" has received development, we should expect changes in the "sword"

      Well, I'm sorry, I will not write subtitles.
      1. svp67
        svp67 14 October 2013 10: 29 New
        +3
        Yes ... there are no words. I knew that a project was being worked out to equip "EM" with a cannon of tanks, in particular "Malyshevtsemi", but that success was achieved in minimization ... When the State does not care about its defense, but is busy with political games, nothing good can be expected. And it seems that the Chinese "specialists" are working with a "close comb" at the former enterprises of the military-industrial complex of the USSR ...
      2. Aeneas
        Aeneas 14 October 2013 10: 36 New
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        this accused professor is the head of the information security department at the Naval Forces Academy in Sevastopol (formerly Nakhimka). In this ex-school, now the Academy, there are no conditions for studying fundamental physics. The railgatron theme in Ukraine is "fucked up". And Professor Chumakov, once in his youth, dealt with this topic in the Soviet Union, and decided to "cash out" the knowledge. I got hemorrhoids in my old age, because my grandfather is respected, literate, and in good physical shape.
        1. Akim
          Akim 14 October 2013 10: 45 New
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          Quote: Aeneas
          I got hemorrhage in old age, because my grandfather is respected, competent, and in good physical shape.

          It does not say who passed it. Nephew - an employee of the SBU. Here is the modern type of Pavlik Morozov.
  2. Bort radist
    Bort radist 14 October 2013 08: 06 New
    +6
    Folk wisdom for centuries. For a cunning bomb, there is something with a thread. The paradox of the development of science lies in the fact that often "over" achievements are compensated by elementary ones. Satellite - bolt, rocket - gravel, burning barrel of solarium, microwave oven, .........
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 14 October 2013 08: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Folk wisdom for centuries. For a cunning bomb, there is something with a thread. The paradox of the development of science lies in the fact that often "over" achievements are compensated by elementary ones. Satellite - bolt, rocket - gravel, burning barrel of solarium, microwave oven, .........

      Yes, all ingenious is simple! laughing
  3. xetai9977
    xetai9977 14 October 2013 08: 06 New
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    Necessary thing! Let's see what happens after the upgrade, but in any case, the developers are on the right track.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 14 October 2013 08: 15 New
      +1
      It is time for them to saturate their troops, enough to sell abroad already.
    2. alone
      alone 14 October 2013 20: 45 New
      +1
      I think our thing is interested in this thing.
  4. Kolovrat77
    Kolovrat77 14 October 2013 08: 07 New
    +6
    The Kashtan-3m complex is mounted on the basis of the KrAZ car.

    KrAZ is so secret that they painted the 131st in the picture.
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 October 2013 09: 33 New
      +3

      It is a pity that something with sound, maybe someone has a more complete version - 8 minute, it would be interesting to take a look
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 14 October 2013 09: 47 New
        +3
        Thank you for the video. It became more clear how it works.
  5. alexng
    alexng 14 October 2013 08: 41 New
    +4
    And by chance, it was not done the same equipment of Russian ships with those two missiles fired in Syria? Also without a single shot, and at once all the ardor of the West to attack Syria disappeared without a trace.
  6. SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 14 October 2013 08: 45 New
    +3
    I hope ours has something similar. And if not, then it’s worth buying.
  7. Slon1978
    Slon1978 14 October 2013 08: 55 New
    +2
    The response coefficient is the deviation of the ammunition 0,6. Honestly, I would not want to sit in this KRAZ operator or in the position covered by this complex, with a response factor of 0,6 ...
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 14 October 2013 09: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: Slon1978
      The response coefficient is the deviation of the ammunition 0,6. Honestly, I would not want to sit in this KRAZ operator or in the position covered by this complex, with a response factor of 0,6 ...

      At least that seems to be true.
      And sometimes you read the characteristics, well, it's a miracle of miracles.
  8. Slon1978
    Slon1978 14 October 2013 08: 55 New
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    The response coefficient is the deviation of the ammunition 0,6. Honestly, I would not want to sit in this KRAZ operator or in the position covered by this complex, with a response factor of 0,6 ...
  9. scientist
    scientist 14 October 2013 09: 02 New
    +4
    EW systems, as well as air defense are effective only in complex application. Let’s say they protected from laser-guided WTOs, and even that is not a fact, much still depends on the range. In addition, thermal guidance missiles are very common in aviation, since they will never miss a laser emitter and will fly right into a quantum generator. And after all, there are guided bombs and missiles with optoelectronic guidance systems, GPS, inertial and simple NURs and bombs, how can I deal with them?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 09: 56 New
      +3
      EW systems, like air defense systems, are effective only in complex applications.

      You're right. But this system is designed for laser-guided munitions. From others, and even more so combined, will not save.
  10. shark
    shark 14 October 2013 09: 22 New
    +3
    Extremely useful thing
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 14 October 2013 10: 14 New
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      Quote: shark
      Extremely useful thing

      Useful, but it should work in addition to the existing system. By itself, it’s practically worthless.
  11. Wedmak
    Wedmak 14 October 2013 09: 28 New
    +1
    Curious ... with a wild collapse of the economy, they still manage to create something. And quite interesting. I would like to read about the principle of operation of this complex. There is only one emitter, but they say "will reflect the attack of a dozen ..." HOW ???
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 14 October 2013 11: 20 New
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      Quote: Wedmak
      Curious ... with the wild collapse of the economy, they still manage to create something. And quite interesting. Read about the principle of operation of this complex.

      The wild collapse of the economy is more likely to be propagated by a foreign media. Well, you don’t think that only in Russia are the media extremely honest and independent?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 14 October 2013 11: 34 New
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        The wild collapse of the economy is more likely to be propagated by a foreign media.

        Come on?
        How many really working factories are left? What about the army, navy, aviation? Is something being upgraded, or is everything new? Is something new being created? Yes, I have heard about An-70, but only 60% is Russian money. You make armored personnel carriers, yes, but why do they refuse them? T-80 Bastion ... Well, how many Bastions are there? On the knee collected.
        And the last one. If everything is so smooth, why does Russia suddenly give you billions of loans? Does it pump gas into storage at reduced prices?
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 14 October 2013 11: 57 New
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          Quote: Wedmak
          How many really working factories are left? What about the army, navy, aviation? Is something being upgraded, or is everything new? Is something new being created? Yes, I have heard about An-70, but only 60% is Russian money. You make armored personnel carriers, yes, but why do they refuse them? T-80 Bastion ... Well, how many Bastions are there? On the knee collected.
          And the last one. If everything is so smooth, why does Russia suddenly give you billions of loans? Does it pump gas into storage at reduced prices?

          Wow. What an emotional position))) Yes, everything is fine with us. Not everything is super, but we are adjusting the gutting. No one is starving. And gas is being pumped into storage facilities to fulfill your contracts at normal prices, but Russia supplies it to fraternal Ukraine at inflated prices. Here is such a help. )))
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 14 October 2013 12: 07 New
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            And gas is being pumped into storage facilities to fulfill your contracts at normal prices, but Russia supplies it to fraternal Ukraine at inflated prices. Here is such a help. )))

            Well begins ... Overpriced ... help ... your contract ... These contracts are exactly the same and yours. And you are obliged to fulfill them. As we are. And as a result, it turns out that AFTER the signing, moaning begins, that you were robbed, deceived, Russia is bad, etc.
            You have pinned down your skis in the EU! And there is a free market, and the prices are appropriate.
            I am not against Ukraine as such, I am against the divergence of fraternal peoples. Which is so fiercely planted west.
            1. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 14 October 2013 12: 13 New
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              Quote: Wedmak
              I am not against Ukraine as such, I am against the divergence of fraternal peoples. Which is so fiercely planted west.

              Yes, you and others like you on this forum are much more inciting the divergences of the fraternal peoples than the whole mythical and advertised west of you.
              Where ever I said that Russia is bad? Do not attribute to me your thoughts.
              1. Akim
                Akim 14 October 2013 12: 23 New
                +1
                Wedmak and gladiatorakz offer you a similar dispute to move the topic about the vehicle.
                1. gladiatorakz
                  gladiatorakz 14 October 2013 12: 26 New
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                  Quote: Akim
                  Wedmak and gladiatorakz offer you a similar dispute to move the topic about the vehicle.

                  I would rather not lead him at all.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 14 October 2013 13: 06 New
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                    Mutually. What is the use of arguing if everyone remains unconvinced?
              2. Wedmak
                Wedmak 14 October 2013 13: 05 New
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                Here is such a help. )))

                A caustic remark ... and you received an answer to it.
  12. olegff68
    olegff68 14 October 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    The device will be useful IF:
    1) The frequencies of the guidance beam and the director coincide.
    2) The guidance system will be with laser target designation.
    3) The guidance system will not be combined (GPS, IR, radio emission, etc.)
    The usefulness of such a narrowly specialized technique is doubtful.
  13. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 14 October 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    Interestingly, and a conventional disco laser, one that actively prescribes a pretzel, can confuse ammunition with an appropriate guidance system?

    Well, arrange them around the perimeter and run, let them draw patterns on the ground.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 10: 15 New
      +1
      Interestingly, and a conventional disco laser, one that actively prescribes a pretzel, can confuse ammunition with an appropriate guidance system?

      Not. I think the ammunition knows the frequency of the backlight of its laser and will not respond to some left-hand fireworks.
    2. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 14 October 2013 10: 16 New
      +1
      + to all, and "scatter" smoke generators))
    3. Akim
      Akim 14 October 2013 10: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Evgeny_Lev
      Interestingly, and a conventional disco laser, one that actively prescribes a pretzel, can confuse ammunition with an appropriate guidance system?

      No, the wavelength is different, which creates a visible spectrum. Only a civilian plane can be shot down if the pilot gets into the eye.
  14. Professor
    Professor 14 October 2013 09: 49 New
    +2
    Our Ukrainian colleagues were late with this complex for 30 years. This complex is absolutely useless when illuminating targets with a modulated laser beam. The GOS will simply ignore the false trail, and, alas, the complex cannot "crack" the modulation.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 10: 17 New
      +2
      Modulated in what sense? By frequency? By power? The complex does not need to "hack" anything, it is enough just to repeat the backlight parameters.
      1. Professor
        Professor 14 October 2013 10: 59 New
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        Quote: Wedmak
        Modulated in what sense? By frequency? By power? The complex does not need to "hack" anything, it is enough just to repeat the backlight parameters.

        Amplitude is rarely modeled, mainly modulation is in frequency. It is not possible to repeat the backlight parameters for two reasons. The first was highlighted for a very short time, only at the end of the trajectory. Prior to this, the ammunition uses an inertial system. The second reason is the synchronization of the backlight with the GOS. In other words, the signal transmitted now is not at all the same as it was 10 milliseconds ago and the "smart" munition knows about it. You don't know the modulation algorithm.

        Quote: Injun Joe
        In more powerful backlight radiation, the reflected backlight signal is simply lost.

        You need to transmit your signal at the same frequency as the backlight. Do you have an idea about her?
        1. Akim
          Akim 14 October 2013 11: 14 New
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          Quote: Professor
          You need to transmit your signal at the same frequency as the backlight.

          Not required. The range within which the signal passes can be wider. But you are right. Prof - time is very short for tuning frequency modulation. Although we do not know all the parameters
          1. Professor
            Professor 14 October 2013 11: 30 New
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            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Professor
            You need to transmit your signal at the same frequency as the backlight.
            Not required. The range within which the signal passes can be wider. But you are right. Prof - time is very short for tuning frequency modulation. Although we do not know all the parameters

            Wider range? Do not forget, we are talking about a laser, and by definition it has a narrow range. Show me the laser with the whitish light. wink

            Quote: Wedmak
            Not all ammunition is so small. There is a constant backlight.

            Which and why?

            Quote: Wedmak
            I doubt very much that there is one. And that clever ammunition knows about it. It is too complicated and expensive. Most likely, the ammunition simply focuses on the power and frequency of the reflected signal.

            Where there is modulation, there is synchronization. Expensive? And you see how much such ammunition costs. Now the townsfolk do not run and talk about cuts ...

            Quote: Wedmak
            Why do I need it? I think that the system accepts the backlight and stupidly amplifies the signal and sends it to the side - the crown of a tree, a stone, a piece of iron.
            The question is how much ammunition will be driven on this signal.

            Not much. Now they are no longer producing such, but the old ones are written off.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 14 October 2013 11: 49 New
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              Show me the laser with the whitish light.

              And you are a noble troll! laughing
              Where there is modulation, there is synchronization. Expensive? And you see how much such ammunition costs.

              Let's go on the other side. This system and the object under attack are nearby, how can the ammunition distinguish - where is the true reflected signal, and where is false? Provided that the system completely copies the signal (otherwise the sense from it is zero).
              Which and why?

              First of all, bombs. The target should be highlighted constantly, for correction and accurate hit. Some rockets. ATGM generally has a flight along the laser beam, if you turn it off the rocket will go off target.
              Not much. Now they are no longer producing such, but the old ones are written off.

              Well, against particularly smart missiles, of course this is not an option.
              1. Professor
                Professor 14 October 2013 11: 57 New
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                Quote: Wedmak
                And you are a noble troll!

                If this is a joke, then it is unsuccessful, but if not, I will take action. wink
                So where is the white laser?

                Quote: Wedmak
                . This system and the attacked object are nearby, how can the ammunition distinguish - where is the true reflected signal, and where is the false? Provided that the system completely copies the signal (otherwise the sense from it is zero).

                A false signal, even if it was copied one to one (I don’t know when they had time?), The modulation will be expired. Today, atomic clocks cost a penny and are simply microscopic in size. No sync issues.

                Quote: Wedmak
                First of all, bombs. The target should be highlighted constantly, for correction and accurate hit. Some rockets. ATGM generally has a flight along the laser beam, if you turn it off the rocket will go off target.

                ATRA leave for another topic. Bombs are not constantly tallyed, even adjustable shells do not need to be constantly tinted.

                Quote: Wedmak
                Well, against particularly smart missiles, of course this is not an option.

                Especially smart rockets sit at home and do not sting to explode. They are not fools. wink But the rest are modeled today and therefore the described system is late.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 14 October 2013 13: 04 New
                  +1
                  If this is a joke, then it is unsuccessful, but if not, I will take action.

                  The white laser, in my opinion, is a hoax ... because it is no longer a laser. White light does not have its own wavelength, it is not coherent, which is how it differs from a laser.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 14 October 2013 13: 42 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    The white laser, in my opinion, is a hoax ... because it is no longer a laser. White light does not have its own wavelength, it is not coherent, which is how it differs from a laser.

                    Of course. There is no such thing by definition.
                2. roma2
                  roma2 14 October 2013 15: 22 New
                  +1
                  SW comrade Professor
                  A false signal, even if it was copied one to one (I don’t know when they had time?), The modulation will be expired.


                  Stitched modulation is a new term ???

                  Modulation (Latin modulatio - dimensionality, rhythm) - the process of changing one or more parameters of a high-frequency carrier wave according to the law of a low-frequency information signal (message).

                  Modulation is used to transmit voice messages.

                  If you want to pull the synchronization over your ears, then here you hit the sky with your finger, the laser beam is reflected from dozens of irregularities, and signals with a different delay period can arrive at the receiving point and which one will you consider to be yours and which is false ???

                  Synchronization with a beam reflected from OBSTACLES is not a dream come true.

                  But an arbitrary choice of frequency, signal encryption is a reality, and in this case (not having accurate data on the principle of operation of the installation) it is rather difficult to judge how it "falsifies" the native signal.

                  Just by catching this signal and by simply amplifying it several times direct it in the other direction or something else?
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 14 October 2013 20: 26 New
                    +1
                    Quote: roma2
                    Modulation

                    Thanks for the wiki, but I myself know what modulation is. Moreover, I know what types of modulation exist. So imagine that it is there NRZ, a set of zeros and ones in a pseudo-random sequence known only to the highlight and GOS. So jam on health.

                    Quote: roma2
                    If you want to pull the synchronization over your ears, then here you hit the sky with your finger, the laser beam is reflected from dozens of irregularities, and signals with a different delay period can arrive at the receiving point and which one will you consider to be yours and which is false ???

                    My signals are reflected with the speed of light, and your front ones with a noticeable delay.

                    Quote: roma2
                    Just by catching this signal and by simply amplifying it several times direct it in the other direction or something else?

                    We catch, decrypt, generate ... Upps have already bombed us !!!
            2. Akim
              Akim 14 October 2013 11: 55 New
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              Quote: Professor
              Show me the laser with the belm light

              Well, do not bend. Lasers in such equipment also have a limited distribution specificity. It can be either semiconductor or solid state. And to choose the type of laser that has a long wavelength is not difficult. If you can, of course. The range width also changes accordingly.
              1. Professor
                Professor 14 October 2013 12: 05 New
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                Quote: Akim
                Well, do not bend. Lasers in such equipment also have a limited distribution specificity. It can be either semiconductor or solid state. And to choose the type of laser that has a long wavelength is not difficult. If you can, of course. The range width also changes accordingly.

                Let me help you. The type of laser here is not an aisle. The semiconductor (diode) method can generate any wavelength of the spectrum. It's not a problem. The problem is the transparency of the atmosphere. She darling is not given to everyone, but only to certain wavelengths (the so-called band). Here it is necessary to jam. But another problem is that even in it, the hell out of flowers can interfere and it’s just stupid to stifle everything. By the way, you need a laser with a variable long wave (tunable laser), and this is very expensive and such lasers, by the way, do not have high power.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 14 October 2013 12: 20 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  The semiconductor (diode) method can generate any wavelength of the spectrum.

                  There most likely it is not solid-state, but solid-state. For example, zinc oxide lasers are quite powerful and have a wide range of wavelengths. But I do not presume to say. that there is a similar type of laser. With my ten-year time frame of non-practice.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 14 October 2013 12: 30 New
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                    Quote: Akim
                    There most likely it is not solid-state, but solid-state.

                    Semiconductors are solid state. request
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 14 October 2013 12: 49 New
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                      Solid-state ones are ruby, sapphire, zinc, yttrium, etc.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 14 October 2013 13: 43 New
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                        Quote: Akim
                        Solid-state ones are ruby, sapphire, zinc, yttrium, etc.

                        In fairness, semiconductor are also solid-state, but not gas. wink
                    2. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 14 October 2013 13: 07 New
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                      Apparently it meant ruby, etc.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 14 October 2013 13: 11 New
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                        Well yes. It is not a pure mineral, but its compound. A ruby ​​laser is not used in such equipment, but it belongs to the category of solid.
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 14 October 2013 11: 14 New
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          The first very short time was highlighted, only in the final section of the trajectory.

          Not all ammunition is so small. There is a constant backlight.

          The second reason is the synchronization of the backlight with the GOS.

          I doubt very much that there is one. And that clever ammunition knows about it. It is too complicated and expensive. Most likely, the ammunition simply focuses on the power and frequency of the reflected signal.
          You do not know the modulation algorithm.

          Why do I need it? I think that the system accepts the backlight and stupidly amplifies the signal and sends it to the side - the crown of a tree, a stone, a piece of iron.
          The question is how much ammunition will be driven on this signal.
        3. The Indian Joe
          The Indian Joe 14 October 2013 11: 28 New
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          The frequency of the stub does not have to coincide with the entire frequency of the transmitted signal, is not it? It is enough to drown out the limited range of a certain wavelength.
          1. Professor
            Professor 14 October 2013 11: 33 New
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            Quote: Native American Joe
            The frequency of the stub does not have to coincide with the entire frequency of the transmitted signal, is not it? It is enough to drown out the limited range of a certain wavelength.

            Specific wavelength. And you do not know her. The laser has a bandwidth oh how small therefore it is called monochromatic ... What will you suppress?
            1. Bort radist
              Bort radist 14 October 2013 11: 54 New
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              Quote: Professor
              Specific wavelength. And you do not know her.

              The reflected "bunny" will save all the parameters, won't it?
              1. Professor
                Professor 14 October 2013 12: 07 New
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                Quote: Bort Radist
                The reflected "bunny" will save all the parameters, won't it?

                Not all, but those that are relevant for a certain period of time. But even if you do not need synchronization, when you catch a bunny, then count to one. Then BOOM.
                1. Bort radist
                  Bort radist 14 October 2013 13: 10 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  Then BOOM.

                  The boom will be where the bunny, steering wheels worked, the trajectory has changed, as required.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 14 October 2013 13: 44 New
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                    Quote: Bort Radist

                    The boom will be where the bunny, steering wheels worked, the trajectory has changed, as required.

                    Now it turns out to be so simple. laughing All. I give up. soldier
            2. The Indian Joe
              The Indian Joe 14 October 2013 12: 00 New
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              Specific wavelength. And you do not know her
              - on the tricky anus there is a bolt with a left thread, and on an unknown wavelength there are wavelength analyzers and a titanium-sapphire laser with a narrow emission line that is widely tunable according to the radiation wavelength. In addition, it is possible to suppress the reflected signal, emitting in a wide spectrum - thereby white light.

              Do not forget, we are talking about a laser, and by definition it has a narrow range. Show me the laser with the whitish light.
              - no problem:: http://ufn.ru/ru/articles/2006/6/d/
              More than three centuries after Newton’s experiments on the decomposition of white light into spectral components and the synthesis of white light from various colors, the nonlinear optical conversion of ultrashort laser pulses made it possible to obtain artificial white light with unique spectrum properties, adjustable temporal duration and high spectral brightness.
              - what you need for a stub.
              1. Professor
                Professor 14 October 2013 12: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Injun Joe
                - what you need for a stub.

                Well, why give out the second harmonic (actually noise) of an ultrashort red pulse for laser white light generation? Where is the white light laser? Read the article you are proposing.

                Quote: Injun Joe
                - on the tricky anus there is a bolt with a left thread, and on an unknown wavelength there are wavelength analyzers and a titanium-sapphire laser with a narrow emission line that is widely tunable according to the radiation wavelength. In addition, it is possible to suppress the reflected signal, emitting in a wide spectrum - thereby white light.

                Leave the slogans for another place and time. No one has time to analyze the analyzer. One, two and BOOM. Cargo 200.
                You cannot drown out the laser with white light; you need a monochromatic, coherent light source. And if we get to the polarization, then you generally bend.
            3. Wedmak
              Wedmak 14 October 2013 16: 30 New
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              Specific wavelength. And you do not know her.

              Determining the wavelength is easy. Spectrometers for what?
          2. roma2
            roma2 14 October 2013 15: 36 New
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            It is enough to drown out the limited range of a certain wavelength.


            What to jam then gathered ???

            Broadband lasers do not exist a priori.
            1. Akim
              Akim 14 October 2013 17: 26 New
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              Quote: roma2
              Broadband lasers do not exist a priori.

              But it’s not necessary. The laser can jam (illuminate) the laser in almost the same range. The large width here is measured by nanomicrons.
    2. The Indian Joe
      The Indian Joe 14 October 2013 10: 20 New
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      In more powerful backlight radiation, the reflected backlight signal is simply lost. Radio transmitters also transmit a modulated signal, but nevertheless, they become clogged with interference at a time.
  15. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 14 October 2013 09: 51 New
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    How do weather conditions affect the operation of the complex (fog, clouds, rain, hurricane, etc.)?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 10: 19 New
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      On the cloud in front of the enemy's plane, you can draw a "brick" for example ....))) Will the instinct to press the brake work or not? wink
  16. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 14 October 2013 10: 06 New
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    It’s good that we have developed, we must share the development with us.
    1. Akim
      Akim 14 October 2013 10: 20 New
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      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      must share with us the development.

      Is Russia sharing with Ukraine? I don’t think so.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 14 October 2013 10: 24 New
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        We found something to argue about ... it would be something to share. The development is an interesting, but very narrow specialization. Laser GOS is easier to dazzle. And from the combined does not help.
        1. Akim
          Akim 14 October 2013 10: 49 New
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          Quote: Wedmak
          Hazardous GOS is easier to blind. And from the combined does not help.

          Will help. It all depends once again I repeat on the wavelength and type of laser. The laser can illuminate both television and thermal imaging seekers. Not this one in particular, but in general.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 14 October 2013 11: 19 New
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            Will help. It all depends again I repeat from the wavelength and type of laser.

            Besides laser, there are still optical and radar seeker. On all ranges you can’t put interference again. And combined GOS are generally capable of eliminating interference by comparing readings.
            1. Akim
              Akim 14 October 2013 12: 00 New
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              Quote: Wedmak
              And combined GOS are generally capable of eliminating interference by comparing readings.

              If the laser is supplied with short pulses, it cannot. That's about radar, such a system is a complete zero. But such heads on the ground are extremely inefficient.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 14 October 2013 16: 24 New
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                But such heads on the ground are extremely inefficient.

                Radar? Well, why? It all depends on the wavelength.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 14 October 2013 17: 29 New
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                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Radar? Well, why?

                  Because the earth's surface is practically an electromagnetic inductor and any dipole reflector will lead the radio head to the side.
    2. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 14 October 2013 11: 23 New
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      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      It’s good that we have developed, we must share the development with us.

      Change for the T-50? Or S-400? laughing
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 14 October 2013 11: 26 New
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        Quote: gladiatorakz
        Change for the T-50? Or S-400?

        Apparently you perceive Ukraine and Russia as different countries, but for me it is one country. hi
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 14 October 2013 11: 35 New
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          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          Apparently you perceive Ukraine and Russia as different countries, but for me it is one country.

          That was in the past. And in the DESIRED future. Now we have what we have. Unfortunately.
  17. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 14 October 2013 10: 06 New
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    Ukraine eats up the remains from the table (scientific and technical potential) of the USSR. But, alas, they will soon enter Geyropu, they will quickly format them ... and there will be no Ukraine, which
    always been at the forefront of military-technical developments
  18. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 10: 44 New
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    As they say, freshly giving ... what
    This is despite the decline of R&D in Ukraine, castration with the subsequent degradation of Ukrainian intelligence with counterintelligence. Given that in Ukraine at the same time, all and sundry are "grazing". And special services and industrialists with all sorts of funds. Starting from pi.indos and ending with almost bushmen (if they have something intelligence besides hunting skillswassat) Plus, their grant-eaters got so divorced that stray dogs compared to them are an endangered species! lol
    I mean that the secret of this "innovation" has long been "leaked", handed over, sold and laid, if it is of any interest. And if this complex were also effective, let alone dangerous, then no one would let Ukraine develop it. No.
    "One Asian country" - these are the usual ho.hloponty. Puffing up the cheeks and pushing the price for ourselves. Like, we also represent something there ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 14 October 2013 10: 56 New
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      Quote: Jogan-64
      "One Asian Country" - these are the usual ho.hloponty. Puffing up the cheeks and pushing the price for ourselves. Like, we also represent something there

      That is why respondents from the Lugansk region always paint such gloomy pictures?
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 12: 51 New
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        That is why respondents from the Lugansk region always paint such gloomy pictures?

        What I see - then I "sing". hi And you want to say that you have it in Odessa, as in the song: "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise ..."? laughing
        1. Akim
          Akim 14 October 2013 13: 03 New
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          Quote: Jogan-64
          And you want to say what you have in Odessa, as in the song: "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise ..."

          Well, if you remember that the meaning of the song is "a feast during the plague" ...
          Naturally, there is little fun, but it is too early to take places in the cemetery. The patient comes out of a coma. Will live!
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 13: 16 New
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            The patient comes out of a coma. Will live!

            I am glad, of course, for your optimism "during the plague", but I cannot share it ... No matter how much I would like. Because I'm not "painting gloomy pictures." I only observe them. And I draw conclusions for the future.
            And you, I beg your pardon, about which patient ??? Is it about our "Nenka" by chance? belay
            1. Akim
              Akim 14 October 2013 13: 33 New
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              Quote: Jogan-64
              Is it about our "Nenka" by chance?

              About Ukraine of course.
              1. Jogan-xnumx
                Jogan-xnumx 14 October 2013 16: 25 New
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                ???????? This is why you saw such prospects? Maybe I don’t know something? what Or do we communicate not only through space, but also time ???
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 October 2013 11: 22 New
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      Starting from pi.ndosov and ending with almost Bushmen

      Yes, drones would probably be useful to the Bushmen - it’s easier to search for prey. And if you still equip the UAV with crossbows .... uuu .... and hooks for carrying prey ... I started to dream!
  19. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 14 October 2013 11: 25 New
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    Cool stuff. If it is done for the money of the Kiaites, then it is interesting to them. And we will retain science, production, school, development. Well, for myself, too, should be done.
  20. major071
    major071 14 October 2013 11: 42 New
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    The exact information is currently classified.

    Meanwhile, in the editorial office of the Chinese magazine "Sun Chr.n in Tea", the editor Sam Byl Penh, giggling vilely, was signing an issue with full details of the secret wassat Ukrainian complex.
  21. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 14 October 2013 13: 04 New
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    I think that the device would not hurt the Russian ships and the people of Syria, it is urgent to conduct field trials there + send a couple of Kolchug Bashar with Iraqi armored personnel carriers ... winked
  22. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 14 October 2013 14: 17 New
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    As practice has shown, they can invent, even create several units, but put into service own Army - this is a problem.
  23. scientist
    scientist 14 October 2013 21: 05 New
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    Quote: Professor
    And if we get to the polarization, then you generally bend.

    In the theory of electronic warfare, there are concepts, barrage and imitation interference, there is still a bunch of derivatives of these fundamental decisions, many of which are purely theoretical.
    Unfortunately, judging by the description, the complex implements a method of simulating leading interference. This method is often used to counter the air defense system of the old park. Obviously, it is suitable for the old WTO.
    However, the possibility of installing sufficiently powerful lasers on the chassis capable of not only overloading the receiving sensors of any WTO, but also stupidly burning them like any optronics, together with the eyes of the pilots, makes this technical solution quite promising for air defense.
  24. Cristall
    Cristall 15 October 2013 00: 47 New
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    Oh finally! Not a political article.
    Of course an article with a too loud title. Nothing almost unique, but an interesting thought.
    "Quant" is working. This makes me happy.