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Return of Soviet strategic rocket trains

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Return of Soviet strategic rocket trainsBy 2020, the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) of Russia plan to adopt a new liquid ICBM, defense-update reports in October 6. At present, a conceptual design of the rocket is being worked out, which is to replace the SS-18 Satan (PC-20 - approx. "VP"), which has been in service with the 1967 of the year.


The Russian Ministry of Defense announced plans to develop a new ICBM in 2011 year. Construction of the 100-ton prototype will begin in the 2014 year, tests will be conducted for four years, then the rocket will be recommended for mass production.

Another, but somewhat peculiar, ambitious step of Moscow could be the development and production of railway-based ICBMs, which can also be deployed by the 2020 year. The new missile will be two times smaller than the similarly-deployed SS-24 Scalpel of the Soviet period (PC-22, top photo - “VP”), which weighed 104 t and three locomotives were needed for its transportation. Railway-based strategic ballistic missiles are difficult to detect (Rubezh can become such a home-based ICBM, according to media reports, an automobile chassis with a starting module shaped like a railway car has been developed for this missile, the bottom photo is a comment of VP ).

The first Soviet SS-24 ICBMs entered service in the 1987 year, by the 1991, there were 12 missile trains. In the 2002 year, in accordance with the START treaty, the missiles were decommissioned, the last base was closed in the 2007 year. However, a new agreement on strategic offensive arms does not prohibit the deployment of rail-based ICBMs. A return to the ICBM will be a clear response to the deployment of elements of the US missile defense system in Eastern Europe.

The commander of the Strategic Missile Forces Colonel-General Sergey Karakaev noted that the new liquid-fuel ICBM will have a better ratio of payload to the launch mass than that of solid-fuel missiles. As a result, the rocket will carry more powerful warheads and more false targets to overcome the missile defense system. “The presence of a powerful liquid-fuel ICBM will give us the opportunity to create strategic high-precision weapons with conventional warheads and near-global range, if the US does not abandon its global rapid strike program (prompt global strike - PGS), the general said.

In 2010, the United States tested the prototype PGS platform on Minuteman III type ICBMs, but then decided to develop hypersonic platforms to provide fast global impact.
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  1. ba1ex
    ba1ex 8 October 2013 14: 54 New
    107
    Everything is new, well-cut old .....
    1. Zlodeey
      Zlodeey 8 October 2013 14: 56 New
      15
      Well said smile
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 8 October 2013 15: 25 New
        50
        Was the meaning cut? You cannot call it a betrayal otherwise, because these trains were the most effective means of deterrence. Not for nothing that the Americans insisted on their destruction. They can track the rest of the funds, but these are not.
        And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin), as did the closure of the tracking station in Lourdes in Cuba. By the way, material for thought.

        1. Nitup
          Nitup 8 October 2013 15: 37 New
          34
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Was the meaning cut? You cannot call it a betrayal otherwise, because these trains were the most effective means of deterrence. Not for nothing that the Americans insisted on their destruction. They can track the rest of the funds, but these are not.
          And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin), as did the closure of the tracking station in Lourdes in Cuba. By the way, material for thought.

          Once cut, it means there was some kind of agreement with the States that in exchange for this they will give us something or will not do something. I don’t want to be Putin’s lawyer, but this happens in politics. It is enough to recall the flooding of the Black Sea Fleet by Lenin. He needed this in order to stay with the Authority. He knew that then the fleet would be built anyway.
          1. Alexstalker
            Alexstalker 12 October 2013 00: 20 New
            0
            Lenin did not drown! Read the story! The bay was flooded by Nakhimov
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 8 October 2013 15: 37 New
          40
          Quote: Kibalchish
          the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin

          And under the same Putin, new developments of this design began. "By the way, material for thought."
          1. little man
            little man 8 October 2013 16: 07 New
            +8
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Quote: Kibalchish
            the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin

            And under the same Putin, new developments of this design began. "By the way, material for thought."

            When did you start? Where did it start? belay
            link please?
            1. Nitup
              Nitup 8 October 2013 16: 10 New
              +8
              Quote: man
              When did you start? Where did it start?
              link please?

              Started not so long ago at MIT. http://topwar.ru/27182-rossiya-vossozdaet-boevye-zheleznodorozhnye-raketnye-komp
              leksy.html
              1. Sergh
                Sergh 8 October 2013 19: 13 New
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                Quote: Kibalchish
                it must be remembered that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin), as did the closure of the tracking station in Lourdes in Cuba. By the way, material for thought

                This is not true:
                Since 1991, after the meeting of the leaders of the USSR and Great Britain, restrictions were imposed on the patrol routes of the BZHRK, they were on alert at a permanent deployment point, without going to the country's railway network. In February-March 1994, one of the BZHRK of the Kostroma division traveled to the country's railway network (the BZHRK reached at least Syzran). [Source not specified 973 days]

                According to the START-2 treaty (1993), Russia was to remove from service all the RT-23UTTKh missiles by 2003.

                By dates, I think you will guess for yourself who was the initiator. The contractor was obliged to destroy this product within ten years (from memory).
                On April 23, 2013, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov announced the resumption of development work by the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering (the developer of Bulava, Topol and Yars missiles) on the creation of a new generation of railway missile systems.

                It remains only to speculate where did you get this info?
                But Cuba and Vietnam were closed for financial problems:
                In post-Soviet times, about a thousand Russian specialists and more than 20 billion rubles were constantly at the base. Every year the Russian Federation spent on the maintenance of the center. In the context of the political situation of the 1990s, the need to support Russian military bases abroad was called into question. Due to the difficulties experienced by the Russian budget after the 1998 crisis and weak economic growth in 2000-2001, on October 17, 2001, at a private meeting in the Ministry of Defense, President Vladimir Putin announced the closure of the military base in Lourdes. The withdrawal of Russian personnel from Cuba deprived the island of $ 200 million of annual rent.

                Well, looking ahead, this is about the transfer of the islands to the Chinese on the Amur River, I give the link (not for the first time), read it yourself!

                http://nechtoportal.ru/rossiya/putin-otdal-ostrova-a-kitay-na-nih-stroit-megapol
                is.html
                1. yava1949
                  yava1949 11 October 2013 03: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Sergh
                  Well, looking ahead, this is due to the transfer to the Chinese of the islands on the Amur River

                  if they had not given it, they would have drowned all this year. and Putin knew all the Chinese, along with all the good and buildings, drowned baldly.
            2. Quiet
              Quiet 8 October 2013 17: 21 New
              +3
              When did you start? Where did it start?
              link please?


              There is such a security cipher SS. hi
              1. andrei332809
                andrei332809 8 October 2013 17: 27 New
                +3
                Quote: Quiet
                There is such a security cipher SS

                "... and carried a folder with the inscription" SS "..." wassat
                1. Quiet
                  Quiet 8 October 2013 23: 59 New
                  +1
                  "... and carried a folder with the inscription" SS "..."

                  Problems with Klava with the Cyrillic ??? fool
          2. Oskar
            Oskar 8 October 2013 18: 17 New
            -13
            They began, but did not end))). With him, a lot of things began - things are still there.
          3. alone
            alone 8 October 2013 19: 26 New
            +2
            All new developments are forgotten old ones.
        3. Very old
          Very old 8 October 2013 15: 43 New
          +8
          Sobering comes. It seems like they didn’t understand which “friends” and which “partners.” And on a cast iron, we absolutely need to be (I repeat it again) - a severe headache for the US. I’m going to sleep more calmly. I bring this news under No. 1 for the last months. Knock knock wheels!
          1. brr7710
            brr7710 8 October 2013 16: 50 New
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            Quote: Old very
            Sobering comes. It seems like they didn’t understand which “friends” and which “partners.” And on a cast iron, we absolutely need to be (I repeat it again) - a severe headache for the US. I’m going to sleep more calmly. I bring this news under No. 1 for the last months. Knock knock wheels!


            For the whole West, we don’t dye any color, it’s still enemy No. 1, because in their opinion we own too much territory with a huge amount of resources. And so we had a white empire (Tsarist Russia), we were rwags for them, the Red Empire (USSR) became ours, all the same we are enemies for them, now we are building "democracy", and as we were enemies they remained.
        4. shinobi
          shinobi 8 October 2013 15: 44 New
          23
          Putin somehow said a question about ABM amers — our partners forgot about our “stilettos.” True, we have them in dry storage, but we have them.
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 8 October 2013 15: 50 New
            +9
            Quote: shinobi
            Putin somehow said a question about ABM amers — our partners forgot about our “stilettos.” True, we have them in dry storage, but we have them.

            Our BZHRK called NATO “scalpels”, and they call RS-18 “stylet”
        5. RDS-1
          RDS-1 8 October 2013 16: 00 New
          27
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Was the meaning cut?

          And where to get spare parts? Let me remind you that the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, along with production facilities, remained in Ukraine, and there would be little use for it in connection with the rampant democratic mess and the yellow-black square.

          Quote: Kibalchish
          And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin)

          Under Yeltsin, EMNIP, an agreement was signed according to which the BZHRK ceased to go on combat duty and turned into a greasy target with location coordinates known to the adversary (in addition, requiring considerable expenses for its maintenance). Thus, thanks to EBN, we got a kind of "suitcase without a handle": you can’t use it, you pull your hands, and it seems kind of a pity to throw it away. So in this situation, the best option is to cut the old one and make your own, with blackjack and whores. That we, in fact, are now observing.
        6. Michael_59
          Michael_59 8 October 2013 16: 08 New
          18
          Quote: Kibalchish
          it was under Putin (not under Yeltsin)


          At EBNe, “beacons” were hung on these trains for the peace of the “partners”
          1. Moore
            Moore 8 October 2013 17: 37 New
            +5
            In fairness, I want to note that the beacons on the BZHRK were installed by the "partners" themselves at one of the inspections.
        7. a52333
          a52333 8 October 2013 16: 53 New
          +9
          GDP is very attentive to the AGREEMENTS. including those. which are concluded before it (START at EBN or non-delivery of C-300 at DAM). The word of the president (even such as DAM and that drunk) is the law, even if the GDP itself is against it.
        8. Vittt
          Vittt 8 October 2013 17: 31 New
          +5
          Senya Gene: "I heard that our army will push old missiles into new cars."
          Genya Sene: "No, new missiles in old cars. New missiles are smaller, even in refrigerators it will be possible to bring tyulka to Kaluga."
        9. Russ69
          Russ69 8 October 2013 17: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: Kibalchish
          And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin),

          The contract, he did not sign ...
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 8 October 2013 17: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: Russ69
            The contract, he did not sign ...

            In fairness, it should be noted that START-2 was never ratified by the Russian parliament
        10. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 8 October 2013 17: 39 New
          -19
          Quote: Kibalchish
          material for thought.


          WHO AND WHERE WILL THOUGHT? EVERYTHING IS ALREADY ALL CLEAR. EXACTLY, EXCEPT OUR PARTY-POLITICAL LEADERSHIP. They are in rainbow ignorance.

          In order to live in happiness and not to grieve, the Soul must love everything! There will be no resentment and reproaches, and happiness will be without vices! … (Lev Tolstoy). Calm in the Soul - here is the Strength in you!
        11. GSH-18
          GSH-18 8 October 2013 18: 18 New
          11
          Quote: Kibalchish
          And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin

          And also do not forget that the construction and subsequent putting on combat duty of the new BZHRK also happens under Putin and on his orders!
          1. clidon
            clidon 8 October 2013 19: 18 New
            0
            Nobody puts anything yet. So more talk in different ways.
            1. wasilyek
              wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 10 New
              -1
              Conversations and cuts, no more ...
          2. wasilyek
            wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 10 New
            +1
            But a lot has been set? The mace will not take off in any way ...
            1. Nitup
              Nitup 9 October 2013 13: 35 New
              0
              Quote: wasilyek
              But a lot has been set? The mace will not take off in any way ...

              And where does the Mace and BZHRK?
        12. shark
          shark 8 October 2013 18: 33 New
          34
          Look deeper. Putin got Russia bound by enslaving agreements. For example, gas production in Sakhalin was completely monopolized by amers. Not a penny went to our budget, the same thing happened with oil and many other things. Some of them still remain, part of Putin the reason was Boris Yeltsin, those traitors who hung around behind him (Gaidar, Chubais, Nemtsov, Burbulis and many many others). The reason is Gorbachev, who gave the alliance to the leaders of the national republics. These names will be damned for centuries. But Putin had to play by the rules by which he was losing in advance. Yes, in many ways he is not right, he could not break a lot. But forgive me, our pensioners do not die of hunger, as was the case with EBN, and soldiers no longer run at metro and do not ask for a ruble for bread. Was it after all. Forgotten?
          1. Nachkar237
            Nachkar237 8 October 2013 20: 36 New
            23
            It’s just that many have a short memory ... many forgot how they did not pay salaries, enterprises stood, below the poverty line were almost everything, with the exception of bandits and traitors! And now, not everything is as you want, of course, but there is something to compare! Personally, I love my country, I respect our president, and against all liberals! After all, it is liberalism in Russia that sets the tone in "our" (western) media, hence the howling that everything is bad and rolls into tartar-ry! After all, what a coward and a traitor does when he faces death - he lies, dodges, stuffs his own price and other performances in order to survive ... and many are underway! Especially the youth who did not have time to take a sip of that life!
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 9 October 2013 03: 26 New
              +7
              ((It’s just that many have a short memory ... many forgot how they didn’t pay salaries, enterprises stood, almost everyone was living below the poverty line, with the exception of bandits and traitors!)) Some people simply have a shorter memory! Before the “collapse” of the country all this was not, and the enterprise was, and the people worked ,,,
          2. wasilyek
            wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 13 New
            -4
            So the soldiers had almost all been dispersed.
            And pensioners ... well, as long as oil prices hold on, they can still receive pensions, but what will happen to their pensions if prices collapse? There were NO SUCH prices under Gorbachev and Bor.
            And what’s the result? Meditsyna is ruined, education is killed, science was about to finish off ...
            But almost a half trillion rubles entered into Sochi. Feast during the plague.
            1. Nitup
              Nitup 9 October 2013 13: 48 New
              0
              Quote: wasilyek
              And under Gorbachev and Bor, there were NO SUCH prices.

              And after them was inflation in dollars? And how many times the dollar fell in price? Now think, is oil more expensive or is the dollar depreciating?
            2. January
              January 12 October 2013 18: 40 New
              0
              That is, what is it, the USSR was sitting on an oil needle? Under Bor there was a PROPERTY, PRIVATIZATION of which would kill all the oil for many years to come. If I had a mind.
        13. Nick
          Nick 8 October 2013 19: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Kibalchish
          And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin

          This is of course, but liquidation agreements were concluded under the EBN ... Also, information for consideration ...
          1. wasilyek
            wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 15 New
            0
            He could have withdrawn from these treaties, the Americans on the ABM agreement pushed and nothing ...
        14. gleb49
          gleb49 8 October 2013 20: 19 New
          0
          First you had to chew you, and then you would ponder.
        15. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 8 October 2013 20: 47 New
          +3
          The agreement was signed by Yeltsin. Putin just fulfilled the contract. What is his crime? That he fulfilled the given word? I wonder if you will respect a country that renounces its words?
          1. Quiet
            Quiet 9 October 2013 00: 07 New
            +5
            The agreement was signed by Yeltsin. Putin just fulfilled the contract. What is his crime

            However, Putin paid off all the debts of the USSR-they forgot it ???
            1. JIaIIoTb
              JIaIIoTb 9 October 2013 00: 42 New
              -4
              Quote: Quiet
              However, Putin paid off all the debts of the USSR-they forgot it ???


              Why are you doing this? To the fact that paying off debts Putin committed a crime? Or didn’t you answer me? Then why did they quote me?
              Please explain.
        16. Simon
          Simon 8 October 2013 20: 47 New
          +2
          We assume that Putin made a mistake, which he now corrects. Or maybe before him, Yeltsin made this mistake consciously, signed something with the Americans or caved in front of them, and Putin is now blown away for him.
        17. egor 1712
          egor 1712 9 October 2013 00: 57 New
          +2
          What does Putin have to do with it. He signed the destruction agreement. Goof different nonsense. Specialist....
        18. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 9 October 2013 06: 05 New
          0
          You actually answered your own question, because you cut that the staff wanted it very much. And until 2020, is there still time for us, my grandmother said in two.
        19. January
          January 12 October 2013 18: 37 New
          0
          It was useless to leave them - they did not carry out combat duty, the production of the cars themselves remained in Ukraine.
          And for Lourdes, the Cubans asked for a frantic price that Russia did not pull back then - even in modern times, 200 lemons would never be too much
      2. predator.3
        predator.3 8 October 2013 15: 49 New
        +6
        question on the topic, is it possible to install "poplar" and "yars" on the railway platform?
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 8 October 2013 15: 56 New
          0
          Quote: predator.3
          question on the topic, is it possible to install "poplar" and "yars" on the railway platform?

          Yes, technically this is a doable task
        2. Moore
          Moore 8 October 2013 17: 47 New
          +7
          No you can not.
          1. The length of the rocket in the container is 22 with a small meter. the length of the largest lightweight is 24 meters. We add space to the ground equipment and the possibility of verticalization in the same size of the car = failure.
          2. It is necessary to greatly complicate the original product - it does not have a taxiway deflecting the missile at a mortar launch away from the railway track - this was on the BZHRK.
          3. It is necessary to increase the number of BBs - one (only three per regiment) is uninteresting to launch.
          In general, you can modify everything, but it will be a completely different product. "Mace", for example.
          1. wasilyek
            wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 17 New
            -3
            God forbid Mace. She will soon become a household name for everything that she does not want to fly.
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 8 October 2013 15: 41 New
      0
      It’s good that at least there are plans ...
      1. AVV
        AVV 8 October 2013 16: 10 New
        +8
        Plans, plans, and money is needed, that would be enough for everything !!! And railway complexes need to be returned !!!
        1. wasilyek
          wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 20 New
          +1
          Is there no money in Russia?
          The APEC 2012 Summit is almost 800 billion rubles. The Olympiad is almost 1500 billion rubles. There is also the World Cup visible ... Also, under a trillion grouse, they will write off it if not more.
          I also forgot the “Universiade” in Kazan, I just don’t know how many wrote off it.
          So there is more money in Russia and more.
          They just spend it crazy and take it even more.
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 9 October 2013 13: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: wasilyek
            APEC Summit 2012 nearly 800 billion rubles. Olympiad almost 1500 billion rubles

            Don’t be shy, take more of the Olympics - 1500 trillion rubles, oil has gone up like that.
            Now, seriously. Firstly, about 100 billion rubles were spent on state funds for the Olympics. and as many somewhere private. And secondly, this is not so much money for sports facilities as for the development of infrastructure in these regions of the country.
    3. vadimus
      vadimus 8 October 2013 16: 31 New
      +1
      Hit the rails on the road! Let respect and fear ....
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 8 October 2013 20: 27 New
        +8
        Quote: vadimus
        Hit the rails on the road! Let them respect and be afraid ..

        Almost the entire railway network was rebuilt and strengthened for the passage of "missile trains." Bridges were reinforced, reinforced concrete sleepers, etc. were laid. Especially in the Siberian and eastern parts of the country. Now the task is to expand the railway network from BAM to the north. This will significantly expand the patrol area of ​​the BZHRK. And the national economy benefits, and adversary headache.
        1. wasilyek
          wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 21 New
          -5
          Do you believe in Putin’s plans for "expansion"?
          No, well, of course they will spend the money, and even build some kind of path.
          But what quality will these routes have? Will they just stand an empty wagon?
          In Vladik, after the first rain, the road for a billion dollars almost floated away.
          1. Nachkar237
            Nachkar237 14 October 2013 01: 21 New
            +2
            Listen, the State Department hamster, would you come from here ... you’re sitting, commissioned to write any nonsense here! What, don’t you yourself understand that you’ve already stupidly been sleeping! Go out, the anthem of your country, the name of which is invented from a surname, listen, maybe there will be less foam from the mouth! This is all slag - what are you saying! Especially, your words about the quality of railway tracks, undoubtedly dependent on who is the president of the country! Brilliant, and most importantly - how clever! Bravo! I hear stupid applause from across the ocean!
    4. Siberian German
      Siberian German 8 October 2013 16: 54 New
      +3
      that's for sure - faithful slit sold
    5. vjhbc
      vjhbc 8 October 2013 21: 20 New
      +3
      I will minus articles that mention the NATO classification of our weapons
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 8 October 2013 21: 57 New
        +3
        why not? what
        train speed + rocket speed
        should add up according to the law of addition of speeds
        and then the horseradish enemies catch up! good
      2. Aryan
        Aryan 8 October 2013 23: 09 New
        -5
        But was it then a potential enemy of the USSR
        to spend such a thuja huchu deneh and companions-spies
        to calculate the travel paths of such traveled spaceports
        according to the "fortified rails and bridges" described in the article what
        when they could be calculated elementary:

        because under Sovka simple civilian forces
        always late and delayed unlike such bully

        sorry if what for the thoughts of a simple civilian inhabitant
        1. wasilyek
          wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 25 New
          +3
          And you try to track these very strong paths and recognize missile cars on them among thousands of ordinary refoks.
          So dozens of satellites were needed.
          By the way, the Americans spent more on trying to track these trains than the USSR spent on creating these very trains.
          So, the Cold War and the arms race were not cheap at all for the Americans.
          1. Aryan
            Aryan 9 October 2013 16: 44 New
            0
            I know a person familiar with the topic firsthand how I told people
            that the starting part was placed on the platform
            in size with two ordinary wagons
            and all of its camouflage was designed specifically against satellites
            if you stand nearby, then everything immediately becomes clear
            because they were distilled at nights
            away from "curious little eyes and starched ears"
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    7. mirag2
      mirag2 9 October 2013 02: 48 New
      0
      Only it seems to me somehow this is a long time, because the trains used to be there, it was a matter of a year or two to start them up again.
    8. Motors1991
      Motors1991 9 October 2013 16: 31 New
      0
      These missiles were manufactured at Pavlograd, I saw them at the PMZ (Pavlograd Mechanical Plant), the trains armed with these missiles were lovingly called, “White Swan,” and so not only the missiles, but also the plant were cut. This year the military guard was removed from it. Tsvetmet they hand over hundreds of tons. Yanukovych will leave scorched earth after himself, unless of course he sells it.
    9. Alexstalker
      Alexstalker 12 October 2013 00: 27 New
      0
      not served
  2. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 8 October 2013 14: 55 New
    -18
    All the same, I do not consider this an effective deterrent. Russia is a large and covert enemy intelligence network appropriate. In my opinion, it will not be a problem for them to track the composition of nuclear weapons, and when the time "h" comes, they will undermine the railways to cut off the composition in a certain square of the area for more convenient destruction of the target.
    1. a52333
      a52333 8 October 2013 14: 57 New
      27
      large and secret enemy intelligence network
      It was they who demanded that railway launch platforms be removed from duty! They were afraid of them before the "bear disease".
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 8 October 2013 15: 05 New
        12
        Quote: a52333
        It was they who demanded that railway launch platforms be removed from duty! They were afraid of them before the "bear disease".

        Now the whole Baltic region will begin to see them on its borders. wassat
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 8 October 2013 15: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: lelikas
          Now the whole Baltic region will begin to see them on its borders

          Why not? Indeed, one of the first bases for their maintenance there near the borders was. ~ 500 km to the Finns, ~ 800 to Estonia. By Russian standards, just spit.
          1. ElektriK123
            ElektriK123 8 October 2013 15: 50 New
            15
            With such a weapon you can say, "Democracy? No, I have not heard."
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 8 October 2013 18: 28 New
          +6
          Quote: lelikas
          Now the whole Baltic region will begin to see them on its borders

          Whether the Balts will be able to see the bzhrk, even if they look at him point-blank. The geography of penetration of bzhrk is not limited to the borders of the Russian Federation. For example, Russian Railways recently presented a new branch to North Korea. No country connected with us by railways can 100% say that there will be no Russian BZHRK on its territory! Therefore, the Americans at one time insisted on their primary destruction, and that is why now they will be put on combat duty again.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 8 October 2013 20: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: GSH-18
            No country connected by railways with us can claim on 100% that there will be no Russian BZHRK on its territory!

            This is a very bold thought! But tell me: who voluntarily sends his nuclear weapons to the territory of a foreign state with the loss (in fact!) Of complete control over it. In addition, there is an agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Well, the territory of Belarus (our ally) can be used, if there is a contract. And so, all nuclear weapons of the Union were exported to us, as the legal successors of the Union. Which was enshrined in the relevant agreement.
          2. wasilyek
            wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 29 New
            -3
            Well, the fact that the Americans first of all demanded their destruction is understandable: they first and foremost demanded the destruction of what they had no means of counteraction against.
            But now that such new complexes will be put into operation again, I doubt, Bulava does not want to fly something for a long time and persistently.
            Production and training have collapsed, many technologies and brains have been lost.
            1. January
              January 12 October 2013 18: 43 New
              0
              Well, you then know better from Iceland, asshole emigrant. One such one will hit and the polysite will become littered with kamens, as in Russia everything is bad.
              The mace flies no matter how much you like
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 8 October 2013 15: 02 New
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      When the time "Ch" comes, there will be almost no time left for these actions. This is one of the most ambitious developments of our troops during the Soviet era. and they are afraid of such things until w ..y)))
    3. VadimSt
      VadimSt 8 October 2013 15: 04 New
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      In addition to trains with nuclear weapons, two dozen "dummies" carrying various army cargo can ply.
      1. wasilyek
        wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 32 New
        +1
        Yes, easily. Simultaneously with the real "nuclear trains" on the railway, their exact copies-dummies, well, or copies with active dummies of missiles, of course without an engine, without fuel and warheads can also run.
        Even if she can rise like a battle. The main thing is to mislead the enemy.
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 18 October 2013 14: 02 New
        0
        Yes, and the complexes are disguised as a regular "commodity" - figs you will find it again!
    4. bootlegger
      bootlegger 8 October 2013 15: 19 New
      11
      So these are squads of saboteurs should be involved. And given that trains can travel a thousand kilometers per day, these squads should be evenly distributed over large areas. They should have at their disposal helicopters and a reliable source of information. It is unlikely that such a group will remain not seen
      for special services.
      And a miss for a couple of kilometers will not bring the desired result, for this the train must be isolated on a specific train. node.
      With the same success, one can set the task, for these units, to paralyze the railway in general message on the territory of Russia. What is not real.
      1. zanoza
        zanoza 8 October 2013 16: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: bootlegger
        ... With the same success, you can set the task, for these units, to paralyze the railway in general message on the territory of Russia. What is not real.


        One thing to understand here. A mobile missile system (any) can launch from anywhere. He got out of the box - made a launch, rolled out of the depot - launch, nuclear submarine - launch from the pier. Movement is a guarantee of avoiding a primary missile strike.
        Actually, all Strategic Missile Forces systems may be single use, "reloading", or not required, or nothing, or no one, will do. And for the period of “Ch”, there is something of its own and will be given to the security and defense forces of missile systems.
        1. Moore
          Moore 8 October 2013 17: 59 New
          +2
          1. Not with everything with any, but only with suitable technical and geodetic conditions.
          2. It is not necessary to roll out from the "hangar" (Krona), from the depot (Station), however, too.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 8 October 2013 20: 51 New
          +6
          Quote: zanoza
          A mobile missile system (any) can launch from anywhere. Came out of boxing - made a start,

          You know, Igor, I used to think so too. But the incident brought to an officer who served in this complex. It turns out that the launches were strictly tied to the "pegs", providing accurate knowledge of the launch site. Otherwise, precious time was spent on the exact geodetic reference EVERY of the 3's ICBMs. With the "reduced preparation" of the shooting data, accuracy deteriorated, well, etc. I think now they can get rid of these "diseases" with the help of GLONAS. And then the amers will have to seriously take a hand.
          1. wasilyek
            wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 40 New
            0
            I think we’ve already got rid of it, but even a miss of ten kilometers with a massed strike of a large number of warheads will hardly decide for the enemy: he will receive a serious blow to his territory, it will be brought into unsuitable conditions for life. Even if the warhead explodes and not over Washington on the outskirts, just a 15-20 km miss, you won’t envy the inhabitants. Radiation will do its job.
        3. wasilyek
          wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 36 New
          0
          So they are "disposable".
          After combat use, if it comes to THIS, it is unlikely that they will need to be charged again
          This is a deterrent weapon: we know that you also have this and will not be the first to strike, because in return you will inflict unacceptable losses on us.
          Well, mutually ...
          In principle, even if you detonate all the warheads on your territory, it will not seem like much to America. Europe will also be bent away from radiation emissions in a month or two. The climate will change a lot. So the death of America will be only a matter of time.
      2. 225chay
        225chay 9 October 2013 08: 12 New
        0
        Quote: bootlegger
        So these are squads of saboteurs should be involved. And given that trains can travel a thousand kilometers per day, these squads should be evenly distributed over large areas. They should have at their disposal helicopters and a reliable source of information. It is unlikely that such a group will remain not seen
        for special services.

        Millions of migrant workers from Asia have spread throughout Russia.
        Where is the guarantee that a certain percentage of them are not recruited and are not agents of the Western special services, or the Hizbuttahrirs and Alkaedans?
        1. wasilyek
          wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 40 New
          0
          Then they all need to be settled along our railways.
    5. little man
      little man 8 October 2013 15: 26 New
      11
      "You can’t just take it and blow it up"
      It turns out that in addition to bears, we also have crowds of American spies wandering around the cities.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 8 October 2013 15: 56 New
        18
        Quote: man
        It turns out that in addition to bears, we also have crowds of American spies wandering around the cities.

        - What are you, spy?
        “How did you guess?”
        - Yes, in our village there were no blacks.
      2. andruha70
        andruha70 8 October 2013 16: 57 New
        +5
        It turns out that in addition to bears, we also have crowds of American spies wandering around the cities.
        so the same, and the bears - “theirs” come across ... he saw ... honestly, honestly ... I am walking through the woods, I look, the bear ... but somehow suspicious ... and the ear flaps on it are red-striped. ..and a balalaika-seven-stringed ... and instead of a bottle with a muddy liquid-holds, an infection, a bottle of whiskey ... maybe-got lost? laughing
      3. shark
        shark 8 October 2013 18: 40 New
        +4
        Well, actually there are really a lot of them. From our own ones. What’s measured now is a car, an apartment, a summer house, a pack of crunches in your pocket. Americans can easily give it. They can’t get used to it, they can buy souls in bulk for their empty unsecured pieces of paper. Yes, and our people have become smaller ...
        1. skeptic-
          skeptic- 9 October 2013 11: 30 New
          0
          Quote: shark
          Yes, and our people have become smaller ...

          Well then, he’s stupefied. Who really says that he has a nuclear missile here, next? Only, after reporting the coordinates, silver coins will never be useful to him ... In this world.
    6. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 8 October 2013 16: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      In my opinion, it will not be a problem for them to track the composition of nuclear weapons

      If the new train is as close as possible to an ordinary commodity, even if at least three cars are hanging out in the center, then they will dare to track. In general, it is better to submarines with cruise missiles
      1. niki233
        niki233 8 October 2013 18: 00 New
        0
        Soviet ones could be distinguished from lightweight only by hinges on the roof.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 8 October 2013 20: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: niki233
          Soviet ones could be distinguished from lightweight only by hinges on the roof.

          and dual wheeled trolley "refrigerator". But to "see" it was possible only from the ground. And from space - a train like a train. In the afternoon stands in a sump among their own kind. Runs like a letter at night. Go find him among the same refrigerators from the refrigerator.
      2. skeptic-
        skeptic- 9 October 2013 11: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Pilat2009
        In general, better submarines with cruise missiles


        And even better underground, then they are definitely embarrassed to track. lol
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    11. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 00: 20 New
      0
      undermine the railways

      And climb the taiga and undermine who will ?? Nemtsov or something ??? laughing
    12. wasilyek
      wasilyek 9 October 2013 13: 26 New
      0
      and they are definitely busy WHERE will the composition with nuclear weapons be at that very hour?
      or should they constantly chase him on a trolley?
  3. Igor39
    Igor39 8 October 2013 14: 56 New
    +3
    It's time.
    1. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 8 October 2013 15: 56 New
      +1
      A long time ago.
  4. Rus86
    Rus86 8 October 2013 14: 56 New
    +9
    and more, more such publications. and show on the central channels! must know, fear and respect, "free" movements and other rabble-lovers of "freedoms" of Western democracy. what they don’t know, fear will tell them.
  5. pl675
    pl675 8 October 2013 14: 57 New
    +2
    good news.
    sorry just over time, all of these dates will be adjusted and rescheduled.
  6. fklj
    fklj 8 October 2013 14: 57 New
    +3
    Good news at the end of the day. And if you withdraw from the START and Middle Range agreement, load onto platforms ?! It’s not a mine and more poplar
  7. Muadipus
    Muadipus 8 October 2013 14: 58 New
    +5
    For me, the idea of ​​installing missiles in sea containers is much more interesting.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 8 October 2013 15: 06 New
      +9
      Quote: Muadipus
      For me, the idea of ​​installing missiles in sea containers is much more interesting.


      Yes, from the point of view of the novelty and non-triviality of the plan, but both decisions have the right to life ...
      Missiles in railway cars and sea containers can cause an incredible headache to our “friends”.

      And on the “approach” there is also the “secretive, autonomous bottom” variant of ICBM deployment fellow
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 8 October 2013 15: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Corsair
        And on the “approach” there is also the “secretive, autonomous bottom” variant of ICBM deployment

        This is a duck. no bottom rockets are planned
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          1. Nitup
            Nitup 9 October 2013 08: 30 New
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            That is, in VO we are "fed ducklings"?!?

            Yes
      2. andruha70
        andruha70 8 October 2013 17: 12 New
        0
        Missiles in railway cars and sea containers can cause an incredible headache to our “friends”.
        And on the “approach” there is also the “secretive, autonomous bottom” variant of ICBM deployment
        I feel with the spinal cord, all these developments, have long been in development ... bully
    2. RDS-1
      RDS-1 8 October 2013 15: 17 New
      +2
      For cruise missiles with a firing radius of 2-3 hundred miles - completely, but ICBMs will not fit into a standard forty-foot sea container. With the BZHRK, by the way, it was also quite complicated - the Scalpel had an aerodynamic fairing of a warhead folding, otherwise the missile did not fit into the car’s dimensions.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 8 October 2013 21: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Muadipus
      the idea of ​​installing rockets in shipping containers.

      How do you imagine unloading this container? Will it go halfway through the earth? Or will it drive here and there? If it’s just a stupid haul, it will be tracked. Yes, and the ship should be special and crew. It’s easier to build a nuclear submarine
      1. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 8 October 2013 23: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Pilat2009
        He’ll go in half the earth

        Easily. At the border, customs officers rarely open containers. Make normal accompanying documents and carry it around the world, no one will pay attention to it. If only they didn’t put anything on top of him.
    4. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 00: 22 New
      0
      For me, the idea of ​​installing missiles in sea containers is much more interesting.

      They are already standing there ... hi
  8. Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 8 October 2013 14: 58 New
    +3
    I think such things should be done secretly.
    And when about a dozen trains will run around the country, then put the enemy before the fact. Ato will now "stick in the wheel" shove.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 8 October 2013 15: 06 New
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      quote-Another, but somewhat peculiar, ambitious step of Moscow may be the development and production of railway-based ICBMs, which can also be deployed by 2020.



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      2. Alexstalker
        Alexstalker 9 October 2013 03: 07 New
        -1
        Enemies of the USSR and Russia! Destroy the defenses of the country! Who! Everybody knows
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 00: 25 New
      +2
      And when about a dozen trains will run around the country, then put the enemy before the fact

      I repeat again. There will be more to go !!! But what false models and which real few will know !!!!
  9. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 October 2013 14: 59 New
    +7
    This is great news! Because the location of such systems is VERY hard to scout. and Americans never knew exactly where they were.
  10. Rash
    Rash 8 October 2013 15: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Muadipus
    For me, the idea of ​​installing missiles in sea containers is much more interesting.

    ICBM doesn’t fit in a container!
    1. fklj
      fklj 8 October 2013 15: 07 New
      0
      ICBM for sure! smile And if a short range? Iskander, for example. wassat
  11. Nitup
    Nitup 8 October 2013 15: 05 New
    +2
    I don’t understand why to build heavy mine missiles with many warheads. Following the logic, it is better to put missiles with one warhead in the mines, because the mine is the most vulnerable component of the Strategic Missile Forces. And if the mine is destroyed, then only one warhead will be lost. It would be more reasonable to put Topol-M single-charge missiles into the mines, and leave multiple-charge missiles for the PGRK and the SSBN. And it’s not clear at all how all these types of multiply-charged missiles will comply with the START-3 treaty limits, because Bulava should carry 6 charges, according to open data, and the number of warheads on Bulas according to plans should be 2020 * 8 * 16 = by 6 768.
    The creation of BZHRK is necessary only if the Americans really can or will be able to destroy our PGRK in the first strike in the long run. Judging by the fact that the chassis shown in the picture will have a medium-range missile, it will not work for the BZHRK.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 8 October 2013 15: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: Nitup
      why build heavy mine rockets with many warheads.
      To replace the rockets ALREADY standing in these mines. Shelf life is not infinite request
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 8 October 2013 15: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        Quote: Nitup
        why build heavy mine rockets with many warheads.
        To replace the rockets ALREADY standing in these mines. Shelf life is not infinite request

        The timing is understandable, but why is it necessary to create a new model of missiles for this, when there is already Topol-M, for example. I understand that it is necessary to increase capacities for their production. But is it harder than creating a new rocket?
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 8 October 2013 17: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: Nitup
          why is it necessary to create a new model of missiles for this, when there is already Topol-M, for example.
          In those mines "Topol" a few pieces fit lol But if you craft according to new technologies tested on Sineva, rockets are the ENTIRE size of a mine, you get such a monster that you can hardly compete with on the planet ... lol
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 8 October 2013 17: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Misantrop
            In those mines "Topol" a few pieces fit

            Do you think in which mines Topol-M and Yars are now installed, because after the collapse of the USSR we did not build new missile mines? In the same mines from which the UR-100 and missiles were withdrawn, the same as in the BZHRK. So there will be no problems
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 8 October 2013 18: 00 New
              +1
              The "Topol-M" starting weight 47 with a trifle tons, the "Voivode" 211 tons. There are completely different mines request
              1. Nitup
                Nitup 8 October 2013 18: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Misantrop
                The "Topol-M" starting weight 47 with a trifle tons, the "Voivode" 211 tons. There are completely different mines

                So the UR-100 missiles have a diameter of 2,5 m, and Topol-m - 1,8, well, nothing: remodel mines and everything
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 8 October 2013 22: 28 New
              0
              Quote: Nitup
              In the same mines from which the UR-100 was seized

              those have long been blown up or abandoned
              1. Nitup
                Nitup 8 October 2013 22: 41 New
                0
                Quote: Pilat2009
                those have long been blown up or abandoned

                Well, and in what then?
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 9 October 2013 00: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: Misantrop
            But if you craft according to the new technologies tested on Sineva, the rockets are ALL the size of the mine, you get such a monster that you can hardly compete with on the planet ..

            Hi Misantrop! Still, the navy thinks more globally that it cannot but rejoice. This is by the way.
            А essentially: it seems to me that our leadership decided to recall another, well forgotten by amers, missile system. For all performance characteristics, the new liquid-propellant rocket should become a GLOBAL, not an intercontinental missile.
            Background of the issue. In the 1962 year in the USSR, the development of three projects of the so-called global or orbital rockets began: R-36-O in OKB-586 of Mikhail Yangel, GR-1 in OKB-1 of Sergey Korolev and UR-200A in OKB-52 of Vladimir Chelomey. Only P-36-O was adopted.
            The development of the rocket at OKB-586 under the leadership of Mikhail Yangel began on 16 on April 1962 after the government decree "On the creation of samples of intercontinental ballistic and global rockets and carriers of heavy space objects."
            Orbital rockets compared with ballistic provide the following advantages:
            - unlimited flight range, allowing to hit targets inaccessible to ballistic intercontinental missiles;
            - the possibility of hitting the same target from two mutually opposite directions;
            - shorter flight time of the orbital warhead as compared with the flight time of the warhead of the ICBM (when launching an orbital missile in the shortest direction);
            - the impossibility of predicting the area of ​​decline in the combat charge of the OGCH when moving on the orbital site;
            - the ability to provide satisfactory accuracy of hitting the target with very long launch ranges.
            The main advantage of the P-36 Orb orbital rocket. was its ability to effectively overcome the enemy’s missile defense. "
            The energy capabilities of the P-36 rocket allowed nuclear warhead into space in low orbit. The mass of warheads and warhead power decreased, but the most important quality was achieved - invulnerability for missile defense systems. The missile could strike at US territory not from the northern direction, where a missile defense system with missile warning stations was being built, but from the southern direction, where the US did not have a missile defense system. "Http://www.kap-yar.ru/ index.php? pg = 227
    2. little man
      little man 8 October 2013 15: 35 New
      0
      Yeah. I am joining. What a misunderstanding here with a range.
    3. Locksmith
      Locksmith 8 October 2013 16: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Nitup
      And if the mine is destroyed, then only one warhead will be lost

      I think so first you need to get into the mine, they are not covered by plywood wink and then as soon as they strike at least one mine — until the mine can’t get the shaft without a vigorous head, the remaining mines will be empty by that moment, to the aggressor’s greatest misfortune, this is an idea and extremely risky for the attacker, there’s no guarantee of defeat, but shlopotat in return = easy and without fancies. am
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 8 October 2013 17: 11 New
        +3
        You need to calculate any, even the worst-case scenario. No one will respond by launching strategic missiles in response to a strike with conventional high-precision weapons. Now the real deterrent for the United States is not the strategic nuclear forces (strategic nuclear forces are a guarantee against a nuclear strike against Russia), but a tactical nuclear arsenal that eliminates the superiority of NATO and other countries in conventional weapons
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 8 October 2013 18: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Nitup
          No one will respond by launching strategic missiles in response to a strike with conventional high-precision weapons.
          This will depend on the goals of the strike and the tasks set for this strike. And it’s not at all what kind of weapon will be used. Moreover, before the fall of warheads, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO SAY, WITH WHAT STARTING THEY GO request
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 8 October 2013 18: 52 New
            -5
            Quote: Misantrop
            This will depend on the goals of the strike and the tasks set for this strike. And it’s not at all what kind of weapon will be used. Moreover, before the fall of warheads, NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO SAY WITH WHAT BEGINNING THEY ARE GOING

            Well, look, the Americans will begin to hit strategic nuclear forces at our facilities. And what, we immediately respond with a massive nuclear strike? But this is definitely the end to everyone.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 8 October 2013 21: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: Nitup
              Americans will begin to strike at our strategic nuclear forces targets. And what, we immediately respond with a massive nuclear strike?

              Do not even hesitate! This is spelled out in our documents, which the Americans are well aware of. Therefore, an attack on the strategic nuclear forces is an act of declaring unlimited war. Which automatically removes the question of the use of nuclear weapons. And no one will smear the snot on the cheeks. The Americans also know about this.
              Quote: Nitup
              But this is definitely the end to everyone.

              Right And the Americans also know about this.
            2. Misantrop
              Misantrop 8 October 2013 21: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: Nitup
              Americans will begin to strike at our strategic nuclear forces targets. And what, we immediately respond with a massive nuclear strike? But this is definitely the end to everyone.
              And so - the end is only for us. And the Americans - happiness and another 10 years delayed crisis of non-payments ... Fuck the ball, the answer in one gulp, maybe in the heat of an offensive high-precision operation will not have time to react. Then maybe they tryndets come lol
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 9 October 2013 13: 11 New
            +2
            [quote = Misantrop] [quote = Nitup] Especially since before the fall of warheads, NO ONE WILL SAY, WITH WHAT STARTING THEY GO request[/ Quote]
            Little remark. Upon detecting the launch of ICBMs, our ballistic missile defenses determine (immediately!) The bearing of the strike (what our strategic goals are on this bearing) and after a while - the intended target of the strike. For everything about everything, in my time, it took 7 minutes (28-30 flight time of ICBMs from the United States). At that time, the report of the OD of the Strategic Missile Forces on the missile attack and the adoption of a decision on retaliatory actions were included. Everything is greatly complicated when the SLBM is launched: the distances are small, there is practically no working time left ...
            It’s like on a moose type platoon: the TA on duty is in the machine, on the BS it is always ready to steal along the bearing to the attacking torpedo.
            1. Nitup
              Nitup 9 October 2013 13: 43 New
              0
              Quote: BoA KAA
              At that time, the report of the OD of the Strategic Missile Forces on the missile attack and the adoption of a decision on retaliatory actions were included.

              I think that no one will dare to strike back, because, for example, SPRN can give a false signal about the launch of enemy missiles (which has already happened more than once) and by answering, it is already possible to destroy everyone and everything. Therefore, it is only necessary to count on a retaliatory strike.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 9 October 2013 16: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: Nitup
                SPRN can give a false signal about the launch of enemy missiles (which has already happened more than once)
                These false positives were ONE of the CHANNELS, other data not confirmed. Therefore, they did not answer. And if ALL the channels give the same information, then IMHO only a crazy pacifist will wait request
  12. Stiletto
    Stiletto 8 October 2013 15: 11 New
    10
    Oh, and I’ll dance hopak when the BZHRK take up combat duty! And our opponents, I think, will dance too ... fellow
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 00: 33 New
      +2
      Oh, and I’ll dance hopak when the BZHRK take up combat duty! And our opponents, I think, will dance too

      Here, many will leave for a week in a bout of joy (and someone with grief) !!!! drinks
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 8 October 2013 15: 11 New
    +3
    With missiles, they destroyed the entire basing infrastructure, how it will be restored.
  14. andrei332809
    andrei332809 8 October 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    well, let's hope that projects will not remain just words
  15. major071
    major071 8 October 2013 15: 12 New
    +6
    Boot under the carpet Today, 14: 55 New
    All the same, I do not consider this an effective deterrent. Russia is a large and covert enemy intelligence network appropriate. In my opinion, it will not be a problem for them to track the composition of nuclear weapons, and when the time "h" comes, they will undermine the railways to cut off the composition in a certain square of the area for more convenient destruction of the target.
    During the existence of railway ICBMs didn’t manage to detect and trace the path of special trains by any enemy intelligence. They even large stations passed like ordinary trains and railroad workers, except for the head of the station (and they are equated with generals in wartime) did not know anything about it. Not without reason, when signing the contract, the Americans primarily demanded to remove the railway. ICBMs. Our railways are very long and it’s hard to guess where the special train is at this time. Moreover, to ensure the safety of such trains, there are special units.
    1. RDS-1
      RDS-1 8 October 2013 15: 30 New
      0
      Quote: major071
      During the existence of railway ICBMs didn’t manage to detect and trace the path of special trains by any enemy intelligence.

      They say that the adversary thought of putting pressure sensors under the rails and, by the greatly increased load on the canvas, correctly recognized the time and place of passage of the BZHRK. Simple and tasteful - no need to fence a garden with spy satellites and casting James Bond, a fairly recruited travel lineman.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 8 October 2013 15: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: RDS-1
        They say that the adversary thought of putting pressure sensors under the rails and, by the greatly increased load on the canvas, correctly recognized the time and place of passage of the BZHRK. Simple and tasteful - no need to fence a garden with spy satellites and casting James Bond, a fairly recruited travel lineman.

        Figs knows him, maybe so. But this will not work with new complexes, since they will have a much lighter rocket and all other equipment: the equipment does not stand still. And such a detection method is no good, since the new complexes will not be any different from ordinary trains, even three locomotives will not be needed - only one is needed
        1. RDS-1
          RDS-1 8 October 2013 16: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: Nitup
          But this will not work with new complexes, since they will have a much lighter rocket and all other equipment: the equipment does not stand still.

          Exactly. And this, by the way, is another argument in favor of the removal from service of the old BZHRK - now we can create a much more advanced complex.
          1. Assistant
            Assistant 8 October 2013 22: 31 New
            0
            But is it possible to do something simpler: stamp the heaviest wagons of increased capacity, full weight with cargo just like a wagon with ICBMs and drive randomly across the country (at least in trains with military cargo)?
      2. major071
        major071 8 October 2013 18: 31 New
        +4
        Before passing the special train, several heavily loaded convoys were passed in front and behind, and then it was very difficult to determine who went where, and track detectors did not possess such information. soldier
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 8 October 2013 21: 47 New
        +7
        Quote: RDS-1
        They say that the adversary thought of putting pressure sensors under the rails and, by the greatly increased load on the canvas, correctly recognized the time and place of passage of the BZHRK.
        They say that from these sensors then very good spinners for fishermen were obtained lol And they say that most often these sensors reacted by overloading the Ryazan "sausage" train lol
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 9 October 2013 00: 40 New
          +1
          And they say that most often these sensors reacted by overloading the Ryazan "sausage" train

          Respect !!!!! laughing lol good drinks
  16. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 8 October 2013 15: 14 New
    10
    What a great news!good
    Hurray, comrades!
    Hurray, hooray, hooray!
    BUT!
    On Sunday, I listened to Kudrin, in the program of V. Solovyov and from disgust, I was distorted. He openly called the reduction of planned rearmament expenditures excessive, requiring cuts, as well as military ambitions. And the pool of this liberalistic abomination rules. Will they make it possible for what we are now rejoicing about?
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 8 October 2013 15: 25 New
      +8
      Kudrin, a traitor to Russia, an agent of the CIA, while speaking openly with his treacherous proposals, hangs out with our government - what else can I talk about?
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 8 October 2013 15: 25 New
      +7
      Recently, a discussion has begun on the pages of the press regarding the ways of reforming the Strategic Missile Forces, which is acute and uncompromising. Each of the opponents uses this or that particular optimization criterion to argue their point of view.

      According to most military experts, a more rational response to threats to its security seems to be Russia's withdrawal from the START treaty and the creation of weapons, which are now subject to restrictions. For example, the reconstruction of military railway missile systems would cool many hot overseas heads in their intention to deploy Euro-missile defense.

      It should be noted that the Strategic Missile Forces already included the BZHRK with the solid rocket RT-23 Molodets, which could carry 10 warheads, but they were eliminated under the terms of the START-2 Treaty. The ground infrastructure of the BZHRK today, to a large extent, experts say, has been preserved.

      Of course, it is unrealistic to resume the production of Molodets missiles themselves, especially since they were manufactured in Ukraine at the Pavlograd Mechanical Plant.

      However, according to a military expert (the former commander of the Kostroma Missile Division, Major General Viktor Shmonov), the new BZHRK can be armed with Topol-M or, even better, Yars, which carries several warheads at once (project work carried out by MIT, confirmed this possibility).
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 8 October 2013 15: 26 New
        10
        Russia is too wasteful, meeting the Americans in the hope of appeasing them, they have reduced their nuclear missile capabilities, and this is what the United States intends to use today, creating a global missile defense system directly at our borders. The American missile defense is clearly aimed at neutralizing Russia's nuclear potential.

        This is not in doubt among Russian military experts. At the same time, the United States, until recently, apparently retained the illusion that the Russians would once again come to terms with violation of strategic parity. The re-creation of the BZHRK group will be a more effective response than the deployment of Russian Iskander tactical missiles.

        By the way, in response to this “Russian threat”, the deployment of American tactical missiles in Europe may follow, as was the case with the Pershing. And this is a new arms race. The reserve for BZHRK is available in the Russian Federation, and this proposal can be implemented quickly and efficiently. It is very important not to be limited to half measures.

        The BZHRK in the Strategic Missile Forces formed the basis of the retaliatory strike group, since they had increased survivability and were very likely to survive after the enemy delivered the first strike. Americans were more afraid of him than Satan: it was a real factor of imminent retaliation. The branching of the country's railway network provided exceptional secrecy of the BZHRK.

        The complex was able, without detecting itself, to overcome more than 1000 km per day and launch missiles from anywhere in the route. The first missile regiment, consisting of three launchers, went on combat alert in 1987. In 1999, three missile divisions were deployed, four regiments each, that is, 36 launchers.

        In the entire history of the operation of the BZHRK, the RT-23UTTX Molodets rocket (in Western Scalpel SS-24 terminology) launched only once. Released from the Kostroma region, she hit a target in Kamchatka. The Americans could not track the coordinates of the complex either before or after the launch.

        The United States, when planning to create its own rail missile system, conducted special studies. It turned out that with the dispersion of 25 trains on a railway section of 120 thousand km (this is much less than the main track of the Russian railways), the probability of a BZHRK defeat was only 10% when using 150 ICBMs like the Russian Voevoda, better known under the western name Satan ".

        The increased survivability of the complex was ensured not only by its mobility, but also by sheltering the train during the danger period in the rocky railway tunnels on patrol routes. Yes, the operation of the BZHRK will require large financial costs. But the country's security is worth it.

        Therefore, the statement of the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces S. Karakaev that today, work is underway on the possible creation of these complexes is very timely. And I want to believe that a final decision on this issue will be made soon.

        Source: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124050054050048057.html
        BZHRK, Karakaev, Strategic Missile Forces of Russia
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 8 October 2013 15: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Alex 241
          Russia is too wasteful, meeting the Americans in the hope of appeasing them, they have reduced their nuclear missile potential,

          hi Sash.da glorify humpbacked and ebn-that angry
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 8 October 2013 15: 51 New
            +5
            Hi Andryukh, when I saw this, it was simply numb!
            1. Peaceful military
              Peaceful military 8 October 2013 15: 56 New
              +2
              Hi Sasha!
              Yes, they take rashness and rage, and also the pain of loss and powerlessness.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 8 October 2013 16: 15 New
                +1
                Here are the guys, the Americans jumped with delight! 1989 - completely reduced (102 SPU and 208 missiles). According to Stephen Pledge
                - 106 SPU and 239 missiles.
                One of the episodes of the destruction of Oka missiles by the method of detonation. Warhead -
                training. Sary Ozek, tentatively 1989
            2. andrei332809
              andrei332809 8 October 2013 16: 04 New
              +6
              Quote: Alex 241
              when I saw it, it was simply numb!

              fingers in a slipper are clenched into a fist. and that the most filthy, the last of this course has not yet been taken from the Kremlin to the gallows
  17. okean969
    okean969 8 October 2013 15: 18 New
    +1
    Great news, only it was necessary to return all this earlier, there wouldn’t be an Amerian missile defense system. Although, even now, their dreams will diminish.
  18. wulf66
    wulf66 8 October 2013 15: 19 New
    +3
    The consequences of another wave of a wand by a drunk conductor are being eliminated ...
  19. marat1000
    marat1000 8 October 2013 15: 20 New
    14
    Russia needs its own program for instant large-scale destruction of a potential enemy. Moreover, a comprehensive approach is needed, simultaneous volley from all guns, dummy missiles in order to distract the enemy’s pro, underwater nuclear strikes to raise a wave with a height of more than 20 meters, a program for the instant destruction of satellites of a potential enemy, we still need super-powerful frequency generators around the country to create interference in the entire frequency spectrum from the enemy UAV, a lot of what is needed. Still it is necessary to carefully distribute the attacks on the enemy’s targets.
  20. knn54
    knn54 8 October 2013 15: 24 New
    +1
    - Currently, a preliminary design of the missile is being worked out, which should replace the SS-18 Satan ICBM (RS-20 - approx. “VP”), which has been in service since 1967.
    And the quality of the solid fuel mixture remained unchanged. And who will develop - all who stayed are fully loaded.
    A space communication station was used at the BZHRK, providing operation in MOTION through satellites in a highly elliptical orbit. Can we repeat it?
    What does Russian Railways think?
    From development to FULL-SCALE withdrawal on combat duty - "a huge distance."
    And, probably, the main thing is the equipment. There is no own electronics. But Soviet products were 100% DOMESTIC configuration.
    And finance, if any, will be torn A la Serdyukovs, Chubays ...
    -smile: And if short-range? Iskander, for example.
    This will negate a number of important advantages that the original BZHRK with ICBMs had.
  21. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 8 October 2013 15: 26 New
    +4
    Maybe not everyone sawed and written off, but suddenly a couple of compounds still had the mind to preserve, and not to saw.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 8 October 2013 15: 29 New
      +2
      An abandoned base for repairing large-sized equipment, also the former military unit of the BZHRK.

      After the signing of the START-2 treaty in 1993, Russia had to withdraw from service and dispose of all the Molodets RT-23UTTX missile systems by 2003. At the time of the decommissioning of the BZHRK complexes, Russia had 3 divisions, in Kostroma, Perm and Krasnoyarsk, 4 regiments with three launchers in each, a total of 12 trains with 36 launchers.
  22. Ash
    Ash 8 October 2013 15: 30 New
    0
    First, the oligarchs' servants should be kicked from the Kremlin, and then you can take up the construction of the BZHRK
  23. patriot2
    patriot2 8 October 2013 15: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: Boot under the carpet
    In my opinion, it will not be a problem for them to track the composition of nuclear weapons, and when the time "h" comes, they will undermine the railways to cut off the composition in a certain square of the area for more convenient destruction of the target.

    It would be nice to build a network of railway tracks beyond the Urals in the far north of Siberia. Any spyon would be there in full view, and many problems of supplying the northern regions in winter would be solved, and he would be there for 6-8 months a year. And the very idea of ​​BZHRK is bad only for the adversary, who was interested in their primary destruction ...
  24. VladimS
    VladimS 8 October 2013 15: 35 New
    +3
    On Sunday, I listened to Kudrin, in the program of V. Solovyov and from disgust, I was distorted. He openly called the reduction of planned rearmament expenditures excessive, requiring cuts, as well as military ambitions.


    There was a similar feeling.
    He is then a liberal, will be accepted everywhere with a hug. There is a reason.
    So much Russian money gave them.
    So he believes, probably quite sincerely, that there is no danger to the country.
    Why weapons ...?
  25. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 8 October 2013 15: 39 New
    0
    Gentlemen, have you really cut them? .....
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 8 October 2013 15: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Dwarfik
      Gentlemen, have you really cut them? .....

      Probably yes.
  26. IgorND
    IgorND 8 October 2013 15: 40 New
    +6
    I served on it in the years 94-96, at that time they were already at a joke. For two years of service, they came with a commission three times. We were removed from all posts at this time, they themselves "guarded". Once in January, they puffed themselves in puff jackets, all the same as penguins, and there was a frost for 40 days and they stuck out for three days on a stool in the frost near the combat module, and we rested in a warm carriage until the regiment commander arrived at the complex and PCBs we did not like it))))))))) They were afraid of these complexes.
  27. Colonelic
    Colonelic 8 October 2013 15: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Ash
    First, the oligarchs' servants should be kicked from the Kremlin, and then you can take up the construction of the BZHRK
    It does not interfere...
  28. Lecha57
    Lecha57 8 October 2013 15: 52 New
    0
    All this is good, but not very soon it will be implemented.
  29. Lecha57
    Lecha57 8 October 2013 15: 54 New
    0
    All this is good, but will not be implemented soon. - There are not enough capacities.
  30. oapvokin
    oapvokin 8 October 2013 15: 55 New
    +2
    There is a beginning! But the good thing is that it ends well. Will wait.
  31. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 8 October 2013 16: 07 New
    -1
    The secrecy and invulnerability of the “DAIRY” train is a myth. Another thing is the car chassis. We have to work on this.
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 8 October 2013 16: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: nazgul-ishe
      The secrecy and invulnerability of the “DAIRY” train is a myth. Another thing is the car chassis. We have to work on this.

      Why is this a myth?
      1. nazgul-ishe
        nazgul-ishe 8 October 2013 23: 00 New
        0
        Do you know how many switchmen from A to B?
  32. pahom54
    pahom54 8 October 2013 16: 07 New
    +7
    HOORAY!!! He himself served in the BZHRK when he was just starting to turn around, so to speak, was among the pioneers. The Americans were very afraid of this complex, but ... not having had time to turn around, the EBN, in order to please the Americans, ordered them to be cut (put into scrap). I recall how many different difficulties rocketers faced - from mastering all the railroad wisdom and combining them with the requirements of carrying out combat duty to the purchase of deodorants in the first complex, so that it didn’t smell (the life support system of residential cars was poorly worked out) ...
    There will be a lot of problems, because more than 20 years have passed since the destruction of these BZHRK ... But maybe the Ministry of Defense and the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces will find some ways to attract more surviving specialists as consultants, I think many would agree to help revive former power unselfishly and with full dedication.
    Even today, these complexes pose a great threat to the States (and not only to them), and even more so if a new missile is used. I’ll drink it today for the health of sane people who have decided to revive the BZHRK, for the scientific designers and developers, and for the personnel of the new BZHRK! For health!!!
  33. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 8 October 2013 16: 23 New
    +4
    Like be, absolutely not against it.
    It strains one point: the commander of one of the military branches (Strategic Rocket Forces, in this case) allows himself to make some kind of press statement that is geopolitical what
    The President (aka the Supreme Civil Code) is silent, the Prime Minister is silent, the Defense Minister is silent, and Colonel General's tongue has come loose.
    IMHO, something is wrong in the Kingdom of Gad. Toys in the "scarecrow" - nobody was brought to good.
  34. clidon
    clidon 8 October 2013 16: 27 New
    +1
    News from scratch. There are two facts - it seems to be (or maybe it will not, but a liquid rocket under 100 tons is being developed) and a solid fuel light rocket, the successor to the "Topol line". There is a chassis for the second and long-term plans for the first, and without any guarantees.

    And then the railway complexes? Because I really want to?

    It is unlikely that they will put liquid on the platform - it will turn out to be a difficult system and expensive to operate (this is in the conditions that the economy is becoming denser), this is apart from the fact that even ampouled rockets as a whole are very delicate (and dangerous), shaking it constantly on rails, as it were very risky.
    A solid-propellant rocket already has mobile chassis and making something "extra" expensive is an unnecessary luxury.
    Much better for this (not infinite) money to establish a constant watch and build up the grouping of existing missiles.
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 8 October 2013 16: 57 New
      0
      Quote: clidon
      And then the railway complexes? Because I really want to?

      There were allegations that MIT has so far begun preliminary design of the BZHRK
      Quote: clidon
      A solid-propellant rocket already has mobile chassis and making something "extra" expensive is an unnecessary luxury.
      Much better for this (not infinite) money to establish a constant watch and build up the grouping of existing missiles.

      Here I am about the same. There are mobile complexes, you just need to follow the path of their modernization (what is being done) and increasing supplies. Security measures ensure their invulnerability. The BZHRK should be revived only if the United States really has or will soon have the means to detect PGRK on patrol routes and obtain information about their whereabouts in real time.
      1. clidon
        clidon 8 October 2013 17: 21 New
        0
        There were allegations that MIT has so far begun preliminary design of the BZHRK

        Thank you, Borisov really said that. Interestingly, the former boss of MIT (Solomonov) was sharply against the "steam locomotives."

        The revival of BZHRK should only be done if the United States really has or will soon have means of detecting PGRK on patrol routes

        If they can reliably detect PGRK, then I think there’s nothing to catch with BZHRK in general.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 8 October 2013 17: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: clidon
          If they can reliably detect PGRK, then I think there’s nothing to catch with BZHRK in general.

          But why? Outwardly, by weight, and by infrared radiation, they will not differ in any way from civilian personnel.
          1. clidon
            clidon 8 October 2013 19: 16 New
            +1
            Previous domestic BZHRK differed and the notorious three locomotives and the size of the composition. So if the Americans can confidently catch installations on the country's roads a couple of tens of meters long, then long trains moving along relatively few railway tracks will be an easier task.
            1. Nitup
              Nitup 8 October 2013 19: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: clidon
              Previous domestic BZHRK differed and the notorious three locomotives and the size of the composition. So if the Americans can confidently catch installations on the country's roads a couple of tens of meters long, then long trains moving along relatively few railway tracks will be an easier task.

              They will see the trains anyway, but how will they determine, among other compounds, that this is the BZHRK. Moreover, in the European part of the railway there are quite branched out and there are thousands of trains on them. No, this is unrealistic.
              1. clidon
                clidon 8 October 2013 20: 30 New
                0
                Thousands? There are no such unique refrigerators of 22 meters in length just a maximum of a hundred, you can track from the "start" from the depot. You can connect agents or pre-installed reconnaissance containers with neutron sensors, and the number of spies will be relatively small - there are not many nodal stations, and it is not so easy to hide in depots or tunnels - there are not hundreds of them.
                Of course, all this beauty is possible first of all when solving the problem of searching for PGRK. To which so far it is not known which side to approach.
                1. Nitup
                  Nitup 8 October 2013 21: 31 New
                  +1
                  Why is it necessary to use refrigerated wagons? There are, for example, the so-called. Boxcar. It has a length of about 16 m. Just enough for a slightly elongated to increase the distance of the Mace and still remain. There are exactly thousands of trains with such cars
                  1. clidon
                    clidon 9 October 2013 05: 51 New
                    0
                    To begin with, such a "land mace" should be born. On the same car chassis.
                    On the other hand, undercover vulnerability will remain - all of these trains are letter-based, and even civilian railway personnel will be aware about what and when to go. Next, just track the "tagged" composition.
  35. garik77
    garik77 8 October 2013 16: 35 New
    0
    It seems like the railway complexes should have been done with existing missiles or am I confusing something?
  36. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 8 October 2013 16: 37 New
    +2
    So far, only words. We are waiting for the real deal to revive the BZHRK.
  37. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 8 October 2013 16: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Nitup
    Quote: Dwarfik
    Gentlemen, have you really cut them? .....

    Probably yes.

    Yes, we showed zeal for disarmament !!! Overdid it! And not only in this area. It is necessary to restore the situation. A lot of effort and time will be spent on this.
  38. max702
    max702 8 October 2013 16: 51 New
    +1
    Chet did not understand why a rocket weighing 104 tons of three locomotives? One does not pull chtol? The carrying capacity of a standard wagon is 60 tons. here a little more ... well, so what? There are reinforced cars there, like almost 250 tons, they pull, and the standard train generally consists of 40-50 cars, almost a hundred tons each and pulls two locomotives, which is the notion of three locomotives, here either the author is not in the subject or the numbers are completely others ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 8 October 2013 17: 03 New
      +5
      The average weight of the train was about 2500 tons, while freight trains had a weight of up to 6000 tons. Three locomotives were not because of this. BZHRK was a composition in which there were three starting modules. If necessary, leaving the command module and auxiliary cars on the semi-station, these three launch modules could move apart and each module was transported by its own locomotive.
  39. polkownik1
    polkownik1 8 October 2013 16: 53 New
    +2
    Great news ! And for the "dusting" of enemy agents - for each Russian Railways passenger - the red button :)))) And let them look for who has the main ... :))))
  40. Altona
    Altona 8 October 2013 16: 54 New
    +6
    First, Gorbachev had to be publicly flogged and generally omitted as a person ... The Americans didn’t know about many cartoons and chips of our defense, they didn’t even know about the nuclear double of the Gorky region in the Chelyabinsk region, this scum told, but his tongue is harder than that of the most market habalks ... Trains can be revived, but this will no longer be a chip and not the fact that a beacon will not stick to the train ...
    1. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 9 October 2013 00: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Altona
      did not even know about the nuclear double of the Gorky region in the Chelyabinsk region

      And I do not know, give a link to read?
  41. KOH
    KOH 8 October 2013 16: 59 New
    -1
    [quote = max702] Chet did not understand why a rocket weighing 104 tons three locomotives? One does not pull chtol? The carrying capacity of a standard wagon is 60 tons. here a little more ... well, so what? There are reinforced cars there, like almost 250 tons, they pull, and the standard train generally consists of 40-50 cars, almost a hundred tons each and pulls two locomotives, which is the notion of three locomotives, here either the author is not in the subject or the numbers are completely others ... [/ quote

    I saw him when he worked on a piece of iron, there weren’t any three locomotives, reinforced rails, wagons with eight wheelsets, an ordinary mail carrier, only with security ...
    1. family
      family tree 8 October 2013 20: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: CON
      I saw him when he worked on a piece of iron, there weren’t any three locomotives, reinforced rails, wagons with eight wheelsets, an ordinary mail carrier, only with security ...

      "Scalpel", in appearance, is a five-car refrigerated section. In the middle of the control car, in front of and behind it, two refrigerated cars.

      ps Today afternoon, two sections drove past what
  42. waisson
    waisson 8 October 2013 17: 17 New
    +1
    without reading the statements and wishes I’m glad if we again return the rockets to the railway platform, they had amer’s haemorrhoids in the anal ........ holes
  43. AlexA
    AlexA 8 October 2013 17: 50 New
    +2
    It would be all nothing. Only in the USSR and in decent times a new rocket was tested for about 10 years. And over the past 20 years, both the design and production personnel have not become younger. After all, satellites are not falling from a good life. And the "Mace" still does not fly. Yes, and cooperation is broken. Many enterprises simply no longer exist. And NO - even super-correct - decisions of the government of this situation - alas - cannot be corrected. Especially with the existing economic model. And the remaining defense enterprises are no longer the same. This is largely a machine for grinding cash injections.
    And from a technical point of view, in that launcher that was shown in the photo, it is quite possible to place a small-sized ICBM. The same MIT has some groundwork. If anyone remembers the courier. But ..., as if everything did not work again.
  44. Basarev
    Basarev 8 October 2013 17: 58 New
    -3
    What do you think about the strategic airship? Take the Tsiolkovsky project, upgrade it, install an atomic reactor instead of internal combustion engines and hang up the darkness of missiles to float along the northern shores ...
  45. mshl
    mshl 8 October 2013 18: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: Alex 241
    In the entire history of the operation of the BZHRK, the RT-23UTTX Molodets rocket (in Western Scalpel SS-24 terminology) launched only once. Released from the Kostroma region, she hit a target in Kamchatka. The Americans could not track the coordinates of the complex either before or after the launch.

    Nonsense complete, in quote. They didn’t shoot from there, it shot NOT Kostroma, and NOT from Kostroma, of course, they shot more than once before.
    Permyaki was fired for the last time, with a ten-year-old missile, from Plesetsk, onto Kura, and hit "in a peg".
    As a result, the product was extended from 10 to 15 years.
  46. tomas.09
    tomas.09 8 October 2013 18: 32 New
    +1
    Comrades! And what does Club-K not like? Put containers on the type of dry cargo ship and wander around the seas. Go wherever you want and all that !!!
  47. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 8 October 2013 18: 35 New
    +9
    To begin with, an air defense train would be nice to do. Surely all the positions of the object-based air defense are known to within a meter, and then I have surpassed 10 km and you can’t even drop the heels of the tomahawks into “milk” anyway. Or a train with OTR is also not bad in the European part of the country.
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  49. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 October 2013 18: 52 New
    +2
    A great idea with such formidable trains was! It’s right that they are reviving. After all, anything can be placed on them (mobility and secrecy. CHEAP AND ANGRY ..)
  50. morpogr
    morpogr 8 October 2013 18: 52 New
    +2
    If they do very well, let the Americans feel nervous more, and then everywhere they bumped into their pro.