Return of Soviet strategic rocket trains

By 2020, the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) of Russia plan to adopt a new liquid ICBM, defense-update reports in October 6. At present, a conceptual design of the rocket is being worked out, which is to replace the SS-18 Satan (PC-20 - approx. "VP"), which has been in service with the 1967 of the year.

The Russian Ministry of Defense announced plans to develop a new ICBM in 2011 year. Construction of the 100-ton prototype will begin in the 2014 year, tests will be conducted for four years, then the rocket will be recommended for mass production.

Another, but somewhat peculiar, ambitious step of Moscow could be the development and production of railway-based ICBMs, which can also be deployed by the 2020 year. The new missile will be two times smaller than the similarly-deployed SS-24 Scalpel of the Soviet period (PC-22, top photo - “VP”), which weighed 104 t and three locomotives were needed for its transportation. Railway-based strategic ballistic missiles are difficult to detect (Rubezh can become such a home-based ICBM, according to media reports, an automobile chassis with a starting module shaped like a railway car has been developed for this missile, the bottom photo is a comment of VP ).

The first Soviet SS-24 ICBMs entered service in the 1987 year, by the 1991, there were 12 missile trains. In the 2002 year, in accordance with the START treaty, the missiles were decommissioned, the last base was closed in the 2007 year. However, a new agreement on strategic offensive arms does not prohibit the deployment of rail-based ICBMs. A return to the ICBM will be a clear response to the deployment of elements of the US missile defense system in Eastern Europe.

The commander of the Strategic Missile Forces Colonel-General Sergey Karakaev noted that the new liquid-fuel ICBM will have a better ratio of payload to the launch mass than that of solid-fuel missiles. As a result, the rocket will carry more powerful warheads and more false targets to overcome the missile defense system. “The presence of a powerful liquid-fuel ICBM will give us the opportunity to create strategic high-precision weapons with conventional warheads and near-global range, if the US does not abandon its global rapid strike program (prompt global strike - PGS), the general said.

In 2010, the United States tested the prototype PGS platform on Minuteman III type ICBMs, but then decided to develop hypersonic platforms to provide fast global impact.

Comments

[ba1ex]

Everything is new, well "cut" old .....

[Zlodeey]

Well said

[Kibalchish]

Was the meaning cut? You cannot call it a betrayal otherwise, because these trains were the most effective means of deterrence. Not for nothing that the Americans insisted on their destruction. They can track the rest of the funds, but these are not.
And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin), as did the closure of the tracking station in Lourdes in Cuba. By the way, material for thought.

[Nitup]

Quote: Kibalchish

Was the meaning cut? You cannot call it a betrayal otherwise, because these trains were the most effective means of deterrence. Not for nothing that the Americans insisted on their destruction. They can track the rest of the funds, but these are not.
And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin), as did the closure of the tracking station in Lourdes in Cuba. By the way, material for thought.

Once cut, it means there was some kind of agreement with the States that in exchange for this they will give us something or will not do something. I don’t want to be Putin’s lawyer, but this happens in politics. It is enough to recall the flooding of the Black Sea Fleet by Lenin. He needed this in order to stay with the Authority. He knew that then the fleet would be built anyway.

[Alexstalker]

Lenin did not drown! Read the story! The bay was flooded by Nakhimov

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Kibalchish

the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin

And under the same Putin, new developments of this design began. "By the way, material for thought."

[little man]

Quote: Hedgehog

Quote: Kibalchish

the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin

And under the same Putin, new developments of this design began. "By the way, material for thought."

When did you start? Where did it start?
link please?

[Nitup]

Quote: man

When did you start? Where did it start?
link please?

Started not so long ago at MIT. http://topwar.ru/27182-rossiya-vossozdaet-boevye-zheleznodorozhnye-raketnye-komp
lexy.html

[Sergh]

Quote: Kibalchish

it must be remembered that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin), as did the closure of the tracking station in Lourdes in Cuba. By the way, material for thought

This is not true:

Since 1991, after the meeting of the leaders of the USSR and Great Britain, restrictions were imposed on the patrol routes of the BZHRK, they were on alert at a permanent deployment point, without going to the country's railway network. In February-March 1994, one of the BZHRK of the Kostroma division traveled to the country's railway network (the BZHRK reached at least Syzran). [Source not specified 973 days]

According to the START-2 treaty (1993), Russia was to remove from service all the RT-23UTTKh missiles by 2003.

By dates, I think you will guess for yourself who was the initiator. The contractor was obliged to destroy this product within ten years (from memory).

On April 23, 2013, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov announced the resumption of development work by the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering (the developer of Bulava, Topol and Yars missiles) on the creation of a new generation of railway missile systems.

It remains only to speculate where did you get this info?
But Cuba and Vietnam were closed for financial problems:

In post-Soviet times, about a thousand Russian specialists and more than 20 billion rubles were constantly at the base. Every year the Russian Federation spent on the maintenance of the center. In the context of the political situation of the 1990s, the need to support Russian military bases abroad was called into question. Due to the difficulties experienced by the Russian budget after the 1998 crisis and weak economic growth in 2000-2001, on October 17, 2001, at a private meeting in the Ministry of Defense, President Vladimir Putin announced the closure of the military base in Lourdes. The withdrawal of Russian personnel from Cuba deprived the island of $ 200 million of annual rent.

Well, looking ahead, this is about the transfer of the islands to the Chinese on the Amur River, I give the link (not for the first time), read it yourself!

http://nechtoportal.ru/rossiya/putin-otdal-ostrova-a-kitay-na-nih-stroit-megapol
is.html

[yava1949]

Quote: Sergh

Well, looking ahead, this is due to the transfer to the Chinese of the islands on the Amur River

if they had not given it, they would have drowned all this year. and Putin knew all the Chinese, along with all the good and buildings, drowned baldly.

[Quiet]

When did you start? Where did it start?
link please?

There is such a security cipher SS.

[andrei332809]

Quote: Quiet

There is such a security cipher SS

"... and carried in my hands a folder with the words" SS "..."

[Quiet]

"... and carried in my hands a folder with the words" SS "..."

Problems with "Klava" with the Cyrillic alphabet ???

[Oskar]

They began, but did not end))). With him, a lot of things began - things are still there.

[alone]

All new developments are forgotten old ones.

[Very old]

A sobering comes. It seems like they did not understand which "friends" and which "partners" were. And it is extremely necessary for us to be on the iron pot (I repeat exactly) - a severe headache for the US. He will sleep more calmly. I bring this news under No. 1 for the last months. Knock-knock wheels!

[brr7710]

Quote: Old very

A sobering comes. It seems like they did not understand which "friends" and which "partners" were. And it is extremely necessary for us to be on the iron pot (I repeat exactly) - a severe headache for the US. He will sleep more calmly. I bring this news under No. 1 for the last months. Knock-knock wheels!

For the whole West, at least we don’t repaint in any color, it is still enemy number 1, since, in their opinion, we own too much territory with a huge amount of resources. And so we had a white empire (tsarist Russia), we were their thugs, we became the Red Empire (USSR) anyway, we are enemies for them, now we are building "democracy", but as they were enemies, they remained them.

[shinobi]

Putin once mentioned amers' missile defense question, our partners have forgotten about our "stilettos". True, we have them in dry storage, but we have them.

[Nitup]

Quote: shinobi

Putin once mentioned amers' missile defense question, our partners have forgotten about our "stilettos". True, we have them in dry storage, but we have them.

Our BZHRKs were called "scalpels" by NATO, and they call "Stilettes" RS-18

[RDS-1]

Quote: Kibalchish

Was the meaning cut?

Where to get spare parts? Let me remind you that the Yuzhnoye design bureau, together with its production facilities, remained in Ukraine, and there would be little sense from it due to the rampant democratic mess and zhovto-blakit nezalezhnosti.

Quote: Kibalchish

And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin)

Under Yeltsin, EMNIP, an agreement was signed, according to which the BZHRK ceased to go on alert and turned into a fat target with the coordinates of the deployment known to the foe in advance (besides, requiring large expenditures for its maintenance). Thus, thanks to EBN, we got a kind of "suitcase without a handle": you can't use it, it pulls your hands off, but it's a pity to throw it away. So in this situation, the best option is to cut the old one and make your own, with blackjack and whores. What we, in fact, are now seeing.

[Michael_59]

Quote: Kibalchish

it was under Putin (not under Yeltsin)

Under EBN, "beacons" were hung on these trains for the peace of mind of "partners"

[Moore]

For the sake of fairness, I want to note that the radio beacons on the BZHRK were installed by the "partners" themselves during one of the inspections.

[a52333]

GDP is very attentive to the AGREEMENTS. including those. which are concluded before it (START at EBN or non-delivery of C-300 at DAM). The word of the president (even such as DAM and that drunk) is the law, even if the GDP itself is against it.

[Vittt]

Senya Gene: "I heard that our army will stuff old missiles into new cars."
Genya Sene: "No, new missiles in old wagons. There are fewer new missiles, it will be possible to bring sprat to Kaluga even in refrigerators."

[Russ69]

Quote: Kibalchish

And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin),

The contract, he did not sign ...

[Nitup]

Quote: Russ69

The contract, he did not sign ...

In fairness, it should be noted that START-2 was never ratified by the Russian parliament

[AleksUkr]

Quote: Kibalchish

material for thought.

WHO AND WHERE WILL THOUGHT? EVERYTHING IS ALREADY ALL CLEAR. EXACTLY, EXCEPT OUR PARTY-POLITICAL LEADERSHIP. They are in rainbow ignorance.

In order to live in happiness and not to grieve, the Soul must love everything! There will be no resentment and reproaches, and happiness will be without vices! … (Lev Tolstoy). Calm in the Soul - here is the Strength in you!

[GSH-18]

Quote: Kibalchish

And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin

And also do not forget that the construction and subsequent putting on combat duty of the new BZHRK also happens under Putin and on his orders!

[clidon]

Nobody puts anything yet. So more talk in different ways.

[wasilyek]

Conversations and cuts, no more ...

[wasilyek]

But a lot has been set? The mace will not take off in any way ...

[Nitup]

Quote: wasilyek

But a lot has been set? The mace will not take off in any way ...

And where does the Mace and BZHRK?

[shark]

Look deeper. Putin got Russia bound by enslaving agreements. For example, gas production in Sakhalin was completely monopolized by amers. Not a penny went to our budget, the same thing happened with oil and many other things. Some of them still remain, part of Putin the reason was Boris Yeltsin, those traitors who hung around behind him (Gaidar, Chubais, Nemtsov, Burbulis and many many others). The reason is Gorbachev, who gave the alliance to the leaders of the national republics. These names will be damned for centuries. But Putin had to play by the rules by which he was losing in advance. Yes, in many ways he is not right, he could not break a lot. But forgive me, our pensioners do not die of hunger, as was the case with EBN, and soldiers no longer run at metro and do not ask for a ruble for bread. Was it after all. Forgotten?

[Nachkar237]

It's just that many have a short memory ... many have forgotten how they did not pay salaries, enterprises stood, almost everyone was below the poverty line, with the exception of bandits and traitors! And now, not everything is as you want, of course, but there is something to compare with! Personally, I love my country, I respect our president, and against all liberals! After all, it is liberalism in Russia that sets the tone in "our" (Western) media, hence the howl that everything is bad and is heading for tartar! After all, what does a coward and a traitor do when he is threatened with death - he lies, dodges, fills his own worth and other performances, just to survive ... and many are carried on! Especially young people who did not have time to sip that life!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

((It's just that many have a short memory ... many have forgotten how they did not pay salaries, enterprises stood, almost everyone was below the poverty line, except for bandits and traitors!)) It's just that some have a shorter memory! Before the "collapse" of the country of all this in general there was no, and the enterprises WERE, and people worked ,,,

[wasilyek]

So the soldiers had almost all been dispersed.
And pensioners ... well, as long as oil prices hold on, they can still receive pensions, but what will happen to their pensions if prices collapse? There were NO SUCH prices under Gorbachev and Bor.
And what’s the result? Meditsyna is ruined, education is killed, science was about to finish off ...
But almost a half trillion rubles entered into Sochi. Feast during the plague.

[Nitup]

Quote: wasilyek

And under Gorbachev and Bor, there were NO SUCH prices.

And after them was inflation in dollars? And how many times the dollar fell in price? Now think, is oil more expensive or is the dollar depreciating?

[January]

That is, what is it, the USSR was sitting on an oil needle? Under Bor there was a PROPERTY, PRIVATIZATION of which would kill all the oil for many years to come. If I had a mind.

[Nick]

Quote: Kibalchish

And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin

This is of course, but liquidation agreements were concluded under the EBN ... Also, information for consideration ...

[wasilyek]

He could have withdrawn from these treaties, the Americans on the ABM agreement pushed and nothing ...

[gleb49]

First you had to chew you, and then you would ponder.

[JIaIIoTb]

The agreement was signed by Yeltsin. Putin just fulfilled the contract. What is his crime? That he fulfilled the given word? I wonder if you will respect a country that renounces its words?

[Quiet]

The agreement was signed by Yeltsin. Putin just fulfilled the contract. What is his crime

However, Putin paid off all the debts of the USSR-they forgot it ???

[JIaIIoTb]

Quote: Quiet

However, Putin paid off all the debts of the USSR-they forgot it ???

Why are you doing this? To the fact that paying off debts Putin committed a crime? Or didn’t you answer me? Then why did they quote me?
Please explain.

[Simon]

We assume that Putin made a mistake, which he now corrects. Or maybe before him, Yeltsin made this mistake consciously, signed something with the Americans or caved in front of them, and Putin is now blown away for him.

[1712]

What does Putin have to do with it. He signed the destruction agreement. Goof different nonsense. Specialist....

[Evgeniy667b]

You actually answered your own question, because you cut that the staff wanted it very much. And until 2020, is there still time for us, my grandmother said in two.

[January]

It was useless to leave them - they did not carry out combat duty, the production of the cars themselves remained in Ukraine.
And for Lourdes, the Cubans asked for a frantic price that Russia did not pull back then - even in modern times, 200 lemons would never be too much

[predator.3]

a question on the topic, is it possible to install "poplars" and "yars" on the railway platform?

[Nitup]

Quote: predator.3

a question on the topic, is it possible to install "poplars" and "yars" on the railway platform?

Yes, technically this is a doable task

[Moore]

No you can not.
1. The length of the rocket in the container is 22 with a small meter. the length of the largest lightweight is 24 meters. We add space to the ground equipment and the possibility of verticalization in the same size of the car = failure.
2. It is necessary to greatly complicate the original product - it does not have a taxiway deflecting the missile at a mortar launch away from the railway track - this was on the BZHRK.
3. It is necessary to increase the number of BBs - one (only three per regiment) is uninteresting to launch.
In general, you can modify everything, but it will be a completely different product. "Bulava", for example.

[wasilyek]

God forbid Mace. She will soon become a household name for everything that she does not want to fly.

[ShturmKGB]

It’s good that at least there are plans ...

[AVV]

Plans, plans, and money is needed, that would be enough for everything !!! And railway complexes need to be returned !!!

[wasilyek]

Is there no money in Russia?
The APEC 2012 Summit is almost 800 billion rubles. The Olympiad is almost 1500 billion rubles. There is also the World Cup visible ... Also, under a trillion grouse, they will write off it if not more.
I also forgot the "Universiade" in Kazan, I just don't know how much it was written off.
So there is more money in Russia and more.
They just spend it crazy and take it even more.

[Nitup]

Quote: wasilyek

APEC Summit 2012 nearly 800 billion rubles. Olympiad almost 1500 billion rubles

Don’t be shy, take more of the Olympics - 1500 trillion rubles, oil has gone up like that.
Now, seriously. Firstly, about 100 billion rubles were spent on state funds for the Olympics. and as many somewhere private. And secondly, this is not so much money for sports facilities as for the development of infrastructure in these regions of the country.

[vadimus]

Hit the rails on the road! Let respect and fear ....

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vadimus

Hit the rails on the road! Let them respect and be afraid ..

For the passage of "rocket trains", almost the entire railway network was rebuilt and strengthened. Bridges were strengthened, reinforced concrete sleepers were laid, etc. Especially in the Siberian and eastern part of the country. Now the task is to expand the railway network from BAM to the north. This will significantly expand the patrol area of ​​the BZHRK. And the national economy is good, and the foe has a headache.

[wasilyek]

Do you believe in Putin's "expansion" plans?
No, well, of course they will spend the money, and even build some kind of path.
But what quality will these routes have? Will they just stand an empty wagon?
In Vladik, after the first rain, the road for a billion dollars almost floated away.

[Nachkar237]

Listen, the State Department hamster, would you come from here ... you’re sitting, commissioned to write any nonsense here! What, don’t you yourself understand that you’ve already stupidly been sleeping! Go out, the anthem of your country, the name of which is invented from a surname, listen, maybe there will be less foam from the mouth! This is all slag - what are you saying! Especially, your words about the quality of railway tracks, undoubtedly dependent on who is the president of the country! Brilliant, and most importantly - how clever! Bravo! I hear stupid applause from across the ocean!

[Siberian German]

that's for sure - faithful slit sold

[vjhbc]

I will minus articles that mention the NATO classification of our weapons

[Aryan]

why not?
train speed + rocket speed
should add up according to the law of addition of speeds
and then the horseradish enemies catch up!

[Aryan]

But was it then a potential enemy of the USSR
to spend such a thuja huchu deneh and companions-spies
to calculate the travel paths of such traveled spaceports
along the "fortified rails and bridges" described in the article
when they could be calculated elementary:

because under Sovka simple civilian forces
always late and delayed unlike such

sorry if what for the thoughts of a simple civilian inhabitant

[wasilyek]

And you try to track these very strong paths and recognize missile cars on them among thousands of ordinary refoks.
So dozens of satellites were needed.
By the way, the Americans spent more on trying to track these trains than the USSR spent on creating these very trains.
So, the Cold War and the arms race were not cheap at all for the Americans.

[Aryan]

I know a person familiar with the topic firsthand how I told people
that the starting part was placed on the platform
in size with two ordinary wagons
and all of its camouflage was designed specifically against satellites
if you stand nearby, then everything immediately becomes clear
because they were distilled at nights
away from "prying eyes and starched ears"

[mirag2]

Only it seems to me somehow this is a long time, because the trains used to be there, it was a matter of a year or two to start them up again.

[Motors1991]

These missiles were manufactured at Pavlograd, I saw them at the PMZ (Pavlograd Mechanical Plant), the trains armed with these missiles were lovingly called, “White Swan,” and so not only the missiles, but also the plant were cut. This year the military guard was removed from it. Tsvetmet they hand over hundreds of tons. Yanukovych will leave scorched earth after himself, unless of course he sells it.

[Alexstalker]

not served

[Boot under the carpet]

I still don't see it as an effective deterrent. Russia is large and the enemy intelligence network is adequate. In my opinion, it will not be a problem for them to track the composition with nuclear weapons, and when the time "h" comes, they will undermine the iron tracks in order to cut off the composition in a certain square of terrain for more convenient destruction of the target.

[a52333]

large and secret enemy intelligence network

That's why they demanded that the railway launch platforms be removed from duty! They were afraid of them before the "bear disease".

[lelikas]

Quote: a52333

That's why they demanded that the railway launch platforms be removed from duty! They were afraid of them before the "bear disease".

Now the whole Baltic region will begin to see them on its borders.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: lelikas

Now the whole Baltic region will begin to see them on its borders

Why not? Indeed, one of the first bases for their maintenance there near the borders was. ~ 500 km to the Finns, ~ 800 to Estonia. By Russian standards, just spit.

[ElektriK123]

With such a weapon, you can say "Democracy? No, I have not heard"

[GSH-18]

Quote: lelikas

Now the whole Baltic region will begin to see them on its borders

Whether the Balts will be able to see the bzhrk, even if they look at him point-blank. The geography of penetration of bzhrk is not limited to the borders of the Russian Federation. For example, Russian Railways recently presented a new branch to North Korea. No country connected with us by railways can 100% say that there will be no Russian BZHRK on its territory! Therefore, the Americans at one time insisted on their primary destruction, and that is why now they will be put on combat duty again.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: GSH-18

No country connected by railways with us can claim on 100% that there will be no Russian BZHRK on its territory!

This is a very bold thought! But tell me: who voluntarily sends his nuclear weapons to the territory of a foreign state with the loss (in fact!) Of complete control over it. In addition, there is an agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. Well, the territory of Belarus (our ally) can be used, if there is a contract. And so, all nuclear weapons of the Union were exported to us, as the legal successors of the Union. Which was enshrined in the relevant agreement.

[wasilyek]

Well, the fact that the Americans first of all demanded their destruction is understandable: they first and foremost demanded the destruction of what they had no means of counteraction against.
But now that such new complexes will be put into operation again, I doubt, Bulava does not want to fly something for a long time and persistently.
Production and training have collapsed, many technologies and brains have been lost.

[January]

Well, you then know better from Iceland, asshole emigrant. One such one will hit and the polysite will become littered with kamens, as in Russia everything is bad.
The mace flies no matter how much you like

[Thunderbolt]

When the time "H" comes, there will be almost no time left for these actions. This is one of the most ambitious developments of our troops during the Soviet era. and they are afraid of such things to zh..py)))

[VadimSt]

In addition to convoys with nuclear weapons, another two dozen "dummies" carrying various army cargoes can run.

[wasilyek]

Yes, easily. Simultaneously with real "nuclear trains", their exact copies-dummies, well, or copies with operating dummy missiles, of course, without an engine, without fuel and warheads can run along the railway.
Even if she can rise like a battle. The main thing is to mislead the enemy.

[Thunderbolt]

And the complexes are disguised as an ordinary "freight train" - figs you will find it again!

[bootlegger]

So these are squads of saboteurs should be involved. And given that trains can travel a thousand kilometers per day, these squads should be evenly distributed over large areas. They should have at their disposal helicopters and a reliable source of information. It is unlikely that such a group will remain not seen
for special services.
And a miss for a couple of kilometers will not bring the desired result, for this the train must be isolated on a specific train. node.
With the same success, one can set the task, for these units, to paralyze the railway in general message on the territory of Russia. What is not real.

[zanoza]

Quote: bootlegger

... With the same success, you can set the task, for these units, to paralyze the railway in general message on the territory of Russia. What is not real.

One thing to understand here. A mobile missile system (any) can launch from anywhere. He got out of the box - made a launch, rolled out of the depot - launch, nuclear submarine - launch from the pier. Movement is a guarantee of avoiding a primary missile strike.
Actually, all Strategic Missile Forces systems may be single use, "reloading", or not required, or nothing, or no one, will be done. And for the period of "W" - whatever, there are own and will be given forces of protection and defense of missile systems.

[Moore]

1. Not with everything with any, but only with suitable technical and geodetic conditions.
2. It is not necessary to roll out of the "hangar" (Krona), from the depot (Vokzal), however, too.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: zanoza

A mobile missile system (any) can launch from anywhere. Came out of boxing - made a start,

You know, Igor, I used to think so too. But the case brought it to an officer who served at this complex. It turns out that the launches were strictly tied to the "pegs" that provide accurate knowledge of the launch site. Otherwise, precious time was spent on accurate geodetic referencing with EACH of 3 ICBMs. With the "reduced preparation" of the shooting data, the accuracy deteriorated, and so on. I think now they can get rid of these "diseases" with the help of GLONAS. And then the amers will have to seriously grieve.

[wasilyek]

I think we’ve already got rid of it, but even a miss of ten kilometers with a massed strike of a large number of warheads will hardly decide for the enemy: he will receive a serious blow to his territory, it will be brought into unsuitable conditions for life. Even if the warhead explodes and not over Washington on the outskirts, just a 15-20 km miss, you won’t envy the inhabitants. Radiation will do its job.

[wasilyek]

So they are "disposable".
After combat use, if it comes to THIS, it is unlikely that they will need to be charged again
This is a deterrent weapon: we know that you also have this and will not be the first to strike, because in return you will inflict unacceptable losses on us.
Well, mutually ...
In principle, even if you detonate all the warheads on your territory, it will not seem like much to America. Europe will also be bent away from radiation emissions in a month or two. The climate will change a lot. So the death of America will be only a matter of time.

[225chay]

Quote: bootlegger

So these are squads of saboteurs should be involved. And given that trains can travel a thousand kilometers per day, these squads should be evenly distributed over large areas. They should have at their disposal helicopters and a reliable source of information. It is unlikely that such a group will remain not seen
for special services.

Millions of migrant workers from Asia have spread throughout Russia.
Where is the guarantee that a certain percentage of them are not recruited and are not agents of the Western special services, or the Hizbuttahrirs and Alkaedans?

[wasilyek]

Then they all need to be settled along our railways.

[little man]

"You can't just take and undermine"
It turns out that in addition to bears, we also have crowds of American spies wandering around the cities.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: man

It turns out that in addition to bears, we also have crowds of American spies wandering around the cities.

- What are you, spy?
“How did you guess?”
- Yes, in our village there were no blacks.

[andruha70]

It turns out that in addition to bears, we also have crowds of American spies wandering around the cities.

so the same, and bears - "theirs" come across ... I saw myself ... honestly, honestly ... I walk through the woods, I look, a bear ... but somehow suspicious ... and a fur hat on it, red-striped. ..and a seven-string balalaika ... and instead of a bottle with a cloudy liquid, it holds, an infection, a bottle of whiskey ... maybe, got lost?

[shark]

Well, actually there are really a lot of them. From our own ones. What’s measured now is a car, an apartment, a summer house, a pack of crunches in your pocket. Americans can easily give it. They can’t get used to it, they can buy souls in bulk for their empty unsecured pieces of paper. Yes, and our people have become smaller ...

[skeptic-]

Quote: shark

Yes, and our people have become smaller ...

Well then, he’s stupefied. Who really says that he has a nuclear missile here, next? Only, after reporting the coordinates, silver coins will never be useful to him ... In this world.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Boot under the carpet

In my opinion, it will not be a problem for them to track the composition of nuclear weapons

If the new train is as close as possible to an ordinary commodity, even if at least three cars are hanging out in the center, then they will dare to track. In general, it is better to submarines with cruise missiles

[niki233]

Soviet ones could be distinguished from lightweight only by hinges on the roof.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: niki233

Soviet ones could be distinguished from lightweight only by hinges on the roof.

and a double wheeled cart "refrigerator". But it could only be "seen" from the ground. And from space - a train like a train. During the day, he stands in a sump among his own kind. Runs like a letter at night. Go find it among the same kind of refrigerated goods.

[skeptic-]

Quote: Pilat2009

In general, better submarines with cruise missiles

And even better underground, then they are definitely embarrassed to track.

[Quiet]

undermine the railways

And climb the taiga and undermine who will ?? Nemtsov or something ???

[wasilyek]

and they are definitely busy WHERE will the composition with nuclear weapons be at that very hour?
or should they constantly chase him on a trolley?

[Igor39]

It's time.

[nazgul-ishe]

A long time ago.

[Rus86]

and more, more such publications. and show on the central channels! must know, fear and respect, "free" movements and other rabble-lovers of "freedoms" of Western democracy. what they do not know, fear will tell them.

[pl675]

good news.
sorry just over time, all of these dates will be adjusted and rescheduled.

[fklj]

Good news at the end of the day. And if you withdraw from the agreement on the SNV and "Medium Range" to load the platform ?! This is not a mine and more than a poplar

[Muadipus]

For me, the idea of ​​installing missiles in sea containers is much more interesting.

[Corsair]

Quote: Muadipus

For me, the idea of ​​installing missiles in sea containers is much more interesting.

Yes, from the point of view of the novelty and non-triviality of the plan, but both decisions have the right to life ...
Rockets in railway wagons and sea containers are capable of causing an incredible headache for our "friends".

And on the "approach" there is also a "secretive, autonomous-bottom" option for the deployment of ICBMs

[Nitup]

Quote: Corsair

And on the "approach" there is also a "secretive, autonomous-bottom" option for the deployment of ICBMs

This is a duck. no bottom rockets are planned

[Nitup]

Quote: Corsair

Ie on VO we are "fed with duck"?!?

Yes

[andruha70]

Rockets in railway wagons and sea containers are capable of causing an incredible headache for our "friends".
And on the "approach" there is also a "secretive, autonomous-bottom" option for the deployment of ICBMs

I feel with the spinal cord, all these developments, have long been in development ...

[RDS-1]

For cruise missiles with a firing radius of 2-3 hundreds of versts is quite enough, but ICBMs will not fit into a standard forty-foot sea container. With the BZHRK, by the way, everything was also quite difficult - the "Scalpel" aerodynamic fairing of the warhead was folding, otherwise the rocket would not fit into the dimensions of the car.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Muadipus

the idea of ​​installing rockets in shipping containers.

How do you imagine unloading this container? Will it go halfway through the earth? Or will it drive here and there? If it’s just a stupid haul, it will be tracked. Yes, and the ship should be special and crew. It’s easier to build a nuclear submarine

[Mature naturalist]

Quote: Pilat2009

He’ll go in half the earth

Easily. At the border, customs officers rarely open containers. Make normal accompanying documents and carry it around the world, no one will pay attention to it. If only they didn’t put anything on top of him.

[Quiet]

For me, the idea of ​​installing missiles in sea containers is much more interesting.

They are already standing there ...

[Soviet_Union]

I think such things should be done secretly.
And when a dozen trains will run around the country, then present the enemy with a fact. Ato will now be "spanking the wheels" to shove.

[Apollo]

quote-Another, but somewhat peculiar, ambitious step of Moscow may be the development and production of railway-based ICBMs, which can also be deployed by 2020.

[Alexstalker]

Enemies of the USSR and Russia! Destroy the defenses of the country! Who! Everybody knows

[Quiet]

And when about a dozen trains will run around the country, then put the enemy before the fact

I repeat again. There will be more to go !!! But what false models and which real few will know !!!!

[Thunderbolt]

This is great news! Because the location of such systems is VERY hard to scout. and Americans never knew exactly where they were.

[Rash]

Quote: Muadipus

For me, the idea of ​​installing missiles in sea containers is much more interesting.

ICBM doesn’t fit in a container!

[fklj]

ICBM for sure! And if a short range? Iskander, for example.

[Nitup]

I don’t understand why to build heavy mine missiles with many warheads. Following the logic, it is better to put missiles with one warhead in the mines, because the mine is the most vulnerable component of the Strategic Missile Forces. And if the mine is destroyed, then only one warhead will be lost. It would be more reasonable to put Topol-M single-charge missiles into the mines, and leave multiple-charge missiles for the PGRK and the SSBN. And it’s not clear at all how all these types of multiply-charged missiles will comply with the START-3 treaty limits, because Bulava should carry 6 charges, according to open data, and the number of warheads on Bulas according to plans should be 2020 * 8 * 16 = by 6 768.
The creation of BZHRK is necessary only if the Americans really can or will be able to destroy our PGRK in the first strike in the long run. Judging by the fact that the chassis shown in the picture will have a medium-range missile, it will not work for the BZHRK.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Nitup

why build heavy mine rockets with many warheads.

To replace the rockets ALREADY standing in these mines. Shelf life is not infinite

[Nitup]

Quote: Misantrop

Quote: Nitup

why build heavy mine rockets with many warheads.

To replace the rockets ALREADY standing in these mines. Shelf life is not infinite

The timing is understandable, but why is it necessary to create a new model of missiles for this, when there is already Topol-M, for example. I understand that it is necessary to increase capacities for their production. But is it harder than creating a new rocket?

[Misantrop]

Quote: Nitup

why is it necessary to create a new model of missiles for this, when there is already Topol-M, for example.

In those mines "Topol" several pieces will fit But if you make rockets for the ENTIRE mine size using new technologies tested at Sineva, you will get SUCH a monster with which there is little on the planet that can compete ...

[Nitup]

Quote: Misantrop

In those mines "Topol" several pieces will fit

Do you think in which mines Topol-M and Yars are now installed, because after the collapse of the USSR we did not build new missile mines? In the same mines from which the UR-100 and missiles were withdrawn, the same as in the BZHRK. So there will be no problems

[Misantrop]

The "Topol-M" has a starting weight of 47 tons with a small change, the "Voevoda" has 211 tons. The mines there are ALL different

[Nitup]

Quote: Misantrop

The "Topol-M" has a starting weight of 47 tons with a small change, the "Voevoda" has 211 tons. The mines there are ALL different

So the UR-100 missiles have a diameter of 2,5 m, and Topol-m - 1,8, well, nothing: remodel mines and everything

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Nitup

In the same mines from which the UR-100 was seized

those have long been blown up or abandoned

[Nitup]

Quote: Pilat2009

those have long been blown up or abandoned

Well, and in what then?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Misantrop

But if you make rockets for the ENTIRE mine size using new technologies tested at Sinev, you will get SUCH a monster that few things on the planet can compete with ..

Hi Misantrop! Still, the navy thinks more globally that it cannot but rejoice. This is by the way.
А essentially: it seems to me that our leadership decided to recall another, well forgotten by amers, missile system. For all performance characteristics, the new liquid-propellant rocket should become a GLOBAL, not an intercontinental missile.
Background of the issue. In the 1962 year in the USSR, the development of three projects of the so-called global or orbital rockets began: R-36-O in OKB-586 of Mikhail Yangel, GR-1 in OKB-1 of Sergey Korolev and UR-200A in OKB-52 of Vladimir Chelomey. Only P-36-O was adopted.
Development of the rocket at OKB-586 under the leadership of Mikhail Yangel began on April 16, 1962 after the government issued a decree "On the creation of samples of intercontinental ballistic and global missiles and carriers of heavy space objects."
Orbital rockets compared with ballistic provide the following advantages:
- unlimited flight range, allowing to hit targets inaccessible to ballistic intercontinental missiles;
- the possibility of hitting the same target from two mutually opposite directions;
- shorter flight time of the orbital warhead as compared with the flight time of the warhead of the ICBM (when launching an orbital missile in the shortest direction);
- the impossibility of predicting the area of ​​decline in the combat charge of the OGCH when moving on the orbital site;
- the ability to provide satisfactory accuracy of hitting the target with very long launch ranges.
The main advantage of the P-36 Orb orbital rocket... was in its ability to effectively overcome the enemy's missile defense. "
The energy capabilities of the P-36 rocket allowed nuclear warhead into space in low orbit. The mass of the warhead and the power of the warhead were reduced, but the most important quality was achieved - invulnerability to missile defense systems. The missile could strike at US territory not from the northern direction, where an anti-missile defense system with missile attack warning stations was being built, but from the southern direction, where the United States did not have a missile defense system. "Http://www.kap-yar.ru/ index.php? pg = 227

[little man]

Yeah. I am joining. What a misunderstanding here with a range.

[Locksmith]

Quote: Nitup

And if the mine is destroyed, then only one warhead will be lost

I think so first you need to get into the mine, they are not covered by plywood and then as soon as they strike at least one mine — until the mine can’t get the shaft without a vigorous head, the remaining mines will be empty by that moment, to the aggressor’s greatest misfortune, this is an idea and extremely risky for the attacker, there’s no guarantee of defeat, but shlopotat in return = easy and without fancies.

[Nitup]

You need to calculate any, even the worst-case scenario. No one will respond by launching strategic missiles in response to a strike with conventional high-precision weapons. Now the real deterrent for the United States is not the strategic nuclear forces (strategic nuclear forces are a guarantee against a nuclear strike against Russia), but a tactical nuclear arsenal that eliminates the superiority of NATO and other countries in conventional weapons

[Misantrop]

Quote: Nitup

No one will respond by launching strategic missiles in response to a strike with conventional high-precision weapons.

This will depend on the goals of the strike and the tasks set for this strike. And it’s not at all what kind of weapon will be used. Moreover, before the fall of warheads, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO SAY, WITH WHAT STARTING THEY GO

[Nitup]

Quote: Misantrop

This will depend on the goals of the strike and the tasks set for this strike. And it’s not at all what kind of weapon will be used. Moreover, before the fall of warheads, NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO SAY WITH WHAT BEGINNING THEY ARE GOING

Well, look, the Americans will begin to hit strategic nuclear forces at our facilities. And what, we immediately respond with a massive nuclear strike? But this is definitely the end to everyone.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Nitup

Americans will begin to strike at our strategic nuclear forces targets. And what, we immediately respond with a massive nuclear strike?

Do not even hesitate! This is spelled out in our documents, which the Americans are well aware of. Therefore, an attack on the strategic nuclear forces is an act of declaring unlimited war. Which automatically removes the question of the use of nuclear weapons. And no one will smear the snot on the cheeks. The Americans also know about this.

Quote: Nitup

But this is definitely the end to everyone.

Right And the Americans also know about this.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Nitup

Americans will begin to strike at our strategic nuclear forces targets. And what, we immediately respond with a massive nuclear strike? But this is definitely the end to everyone.

And so - the end is only for us. And the Americans - happiness and another 10 years delayed crisis of non-payments ... Fuck the ball, the answer in one gulp, maybe in the heat of an offensive high-precision operation will not have time to react. Then maybe they tryndets come

[Boa kaa]

[quote = Misantrop] [quote = Nitup] Especially since before the fall of warheads, NO ONE WILL SAY, WITH WHAT STARTING THEY GO [/ Quote]
Little remark. Upon detecting the launch of ICBMs, our ballistic missile defenses determine (immediately!) The bearing of the strike (what our strategic goals are on this bearing) and after a while - the intended target of the strike. For everything about everything, in my time, it took 7 minutes (28-30 flight time of ICBMs from the United States). At that time, the report of the OD of the Strategic Missile Forces on the missile attack and the adoption of a decision on retaliatory actions were included. Everything is greatly complicated when the SLBM is launched: the distances are small, there is practically no working time left ...
It’s like on a moose type platoon: the TA on duty is in the machine, on the BS it is always ready to steal along the bearing to the attacking torpedo.

[Nitup]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

At that time, the report of the OD of the Strategic Missile Forces on the missile attack and the adoption of a decision on retaliatory actions were included.

I think that no one will dare to strike back, because, for example, SPRN can give a false signal about the launch of enemy missiles (which has already happened more than once) and by answering, it is already possible to destroy everyone and everything. Therefore, it is only necessary to count on a retaliatory strike.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Nitup

SPRN can give a false signal about the launch of enemy missiles (which has already happened more than once)

These false positives were ONE of the CHANNELS, other data not confirmed. Therefore, they did not answer. And if ALL the channels give the same information, then IMHO only a crazy pacifist will wait

[Stiletto]

Oh, and I’ll dance hopak when the BZHRK take up combat duty! And our opponents, I think, will dance too ...

[Quiet]

Oh, and I’ll dance hopak when the BZHRK take up combat duty! And our opponents, I think, will dance too

Here, many will leave for a week in a bout of joy (and someone with grief) !!!!

[Strashila]

With missiles, they destroyed the entire basing infrastructure, how it will be restored.

[andrei332809]

well, let's hope that projects will not remain just words

[major071]

Boot under the carpet Today, 14: 55 New
I still don't see it as an effective deterrent. Russia is large and the enemy intelligence network is adequate. In my opinion, it will not be a problem for them to track the composition with nuclear weapons, and when the time "h" comes, they will undermine the iron tracks in order to cut off the composition in a certain square of terrain for more convenient destruction of the target.
During the existence of railway ICBMs didn’t manage to detect and trace the path of special trains by any enemy intelligence. They even large stations passed like ordinary trains and railroad workers, except for the head of the station (and they are equated with generals in wartime) did not know anything about it. Not without reason, when signing the contract, the Americans primarily demanded to remove the railway. ICBMs. Our railways are very long and it’s hard to guess where the special train is at this time. Moreover, to ensure the safety of such trains, there are special units.

[RDS-1]

Quote: major071

During the existence of railway ICBMs didn’t manage to detect and trace the path of special trains by any enemy intelligence.

They say that the adversary thought of putting pressure sensors under the rails and, by the greatly increased load on the canvas, correctly recognized the time and place of passage of the BZHRK. Simple and tasteful - no need to fence a garden with spy satellites and casting James Bond, a fairly recruited travel lineman.

[Nitup]

Quote: RDS-1

They say that the adversary thought of putting pressure sensors under the rails and, by the greatly increased load on the canvas, correctly recognized the time and place of passage of the BZHRK. Simple and tasteful - no need to fence a garden with spy satellites and casting James Bond, a fairly recruited travel lineman.

Figs knows him, maybe so. But this will not work with new complexes, since they will have a much lighter rocket and all other equipment: the equipment does not stand still. And such a detection method is no good, since the new complexes will not be any different from ordinary trains, even three locomotives will not be needed - only one is needed

[RDS-1]

Quote: Nitup

But this will not work with new complexes, since they will have a much lighter rocket and all other equipment: the equipment does not stand still.

Exactly. And this, by the way, is another argument in favor of the removal from service of the old BZHRK - now we can create a much more advanced complex.

[Assistant]

But is it possible to do something simpler: stamp the heaviest wagons of increased capacity, full weight with cargo just like a wagon with ICBMs and drive randomly across the country (at least in trains with military cargo)?

[major071]

Before passing the special train, several heavily loaded convoys were passed in front and behind, and then it was very difficult to determine who went where, and track detectors did not possess such information.

[Misantrop]

Quote: RDS-1

They say that the adversary thought of putting pressure sensors under the rails and, by the greatly increased load on the canvas, correctly recognized the time and place of passage of the BZHRK.

They say that from these sensors then very good spinners for fishermen were obtained They also say that most often these sensors reacted on overload to the Ryazan "sausage" train

[Quiet]

They also say that most often these sensors reacted on overload to the Ryazan "sausage" train

Respect !!!!!

[Peaceful military]

What a great news!
Hurray, comrades!
Hurray, hooray, hooray!
BUT!
On Sunday, I listened to Kudrin, in the program of V. Solovyov and from disgust, I was distorted. He openly called the reduction of planned rearmament expenditures excessive, requiring cuts, as well as military ambitions. And the pool of this liberalistic abomination rules. Will they make it possible for what we are now rejoicing about?

[Ruslan_F38]

Kudrin, a traitor to Russia, an agent of the CIA, while speaking openly with his treacherous proposals, hangs out with our government - what else can I talk about?

[Alex 241]

Recently, a discussion has begun on the pages of the press regarding the ways of reforming the Strategic Missile Forces, which is acute and uncompromising. Each of the opponents uses this or that particular optimization criterion to argue their point of view.

According to most military experts, a more rational response to threats to its security seems to be Russia's withdrawal from the START treaty and the creation of weapons, which are now subject to restrictions. For example, the reconstruction of military railway missile systems would cool many hot overseas heads in their intention to deploy Euro-missile defense.

It should be noted that the Strategic Missile Forces already included the BZHRK with the solid rocket RT-23 Molodets, which could carry 10 warheads, but they were eliminated under the terms of the START-2 Treaty. The ground infrastructure of the BZHRK today, to a large extent, experts say, has been preserved.

Of course, it is unrealistic to resume the production of Molodets missiles themselves, especially since they were manufactured in Ukraine at the Pavlograd Mechanical Plant.

However, according to a military expert (the former commander of the Kostroma Missile Division, Major General Viktor Shmonov), the new BZHRK can be armed with Topol-M or, even better, Yars, which carries several warheads at once (project work carried out by MIT, confirmed this possibility).

[Alex 241]

Russia is too wasteful, meeting the Americans in the hope of appeasing them, they have reduced their nuclear missile capabilities, and this is what the United States intends to use today, creating a global missile defense system directly at our borders. The American missile defense is clearly aimed at neutralizing Russia's nuclear potential.

This is not in doubt among Russian military experts. At the same time, the United States, until recently, apparently retained the illusion that the Russians would once again come to terms with violation of strategic parity. The re-creation of the BZHRK group will be a more effective response than the deployment of Russian Iskander tactical missiles.

By the way, in response to this “Russian threat”, the deployment of American tactical missiles in Europe may follow, as was the case with the Pershing. And this is a new arms race. The reserve for BZHRK is available in the Russian Federation, and this proposal can be implemented quickly and efficiently. It is very important not to be limited to half measures.

The BZHRK in the Strategic Missile Forces formed the basis of the retaliatory strike group, since they had increased survivability and were very likely to survive after the enemy delivered the first strike. Americans were more afraid of him than Satan: it was a real factor of imminent retaliation. The branching of the country's railway network provided exceptional secrecy of the BZHRK.

The complex was able, without detecting itself, to overcome more than 1000 km per day and launch missiles from anywhere in the route. The first missile regiment, consisting of three launchers, went on combat alert in 1987. In 1999, three missile divisions were deployed, four regiments each, that is, 36 launchers.

In the entire history of the operation of the BZHRK, the RT-23UTTX Molodets rocket (in Western Scalpel SS-24 terminology) launched only once. Released from the Kostroma region, she hit a target in Kamchatka. The Americans could not track the coordinates of the complex either before or after the launch.

The United States, when planning to create its own rail missile system, conducted special studies. It turned out that with the dispersion of 25 trains on a railway section of 120 thousand km (this is much less than the main track of the Russian railways), the probability of a BZHRK defeat was only 10% when using 150 ICBMs like the Russian Voevoda, better known under the western name Satan ".

The increased survivability of the complex was ensured not only by its mobility, but also by sheltering the train during the danger period in the rocky railway tunnels on patrol routes. Yes, the operation of the BZHRK will require large financial costs. But the country's security is worth it.

Therefore, the statement of the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces S. Karakaev that today, work is underway on the possible creation of these complexes is very timely. And I want to believe that a final decision on this issue will be made soon.

Source: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124050054050048057.html
BZHRK, Karakaev, Strategic Missile Forces of Russia

[andrei332809]

Quote: Alex 241

Russia is too wasteful, meeting the Americans in the hope of appeasing them, they have reduced their nuclear missile potential,

hi Sash.da glorify humpbacked and ebn-that

[Alex 241]

Hi Andryukh, when I saw this, it was simply numb!

[Peaceful military]

Hi Sasha!
Yes, they take rashness and rage, and also the pain of loss and powerlessness.

[Alex 241]

Here are the guys, the Americans jumped with delight! 1989 - completely reduced (102 SPU and 208 missiles). According to Stephen Pledge
- 106 SPU and 239 missiles.
One of the episodes of the destruction of Oka missiles by detonation. Warhead -
training. Sary Ozek, tentatively 1989

[andrei332809]

Quote: Alex 241

when I saw it, it was simply numb!

fingers in a slipper are clenched into a fist. and that the most filthy, the last of this course has not yet been taken from the Kremlin to the gallows

[ocean969]

Great news, only it was necessary to return all this earlier, there wouldn’t be an Amerian missile defense system. Although, even now, their dreams will diminish.

[wulf66]

The consequences of another wave of a wand by a drunk conductor are being eliminated ...

[marat1000]

Russia needs its own program for instant large-scale destruction of a potential enemy. Moreover, a comprehensive approach is needed, simultaneous volley from all guns, dummy missiles in order to distract the enemy’s pro, underwater nuclear strikes to raise a wave with a height of more than 20 meters, a program for the instant destruction of satellites of a potential enemy, we still need super-powerful frequency generators around the country to create interference in the entire frequency spectrum from the enemy UAV, a lot of what is needed. Still it is necessary to carefully distribute the attacks on the enemy’s targets.

[knn54]

- Currently, a preliminary design of the missile is being worked out, which should replace the SS-18 Satan ICBM (RS-20 - approx. “VP”), which has been in service since 1967.
And the quality of the solid fuel mixture remained unchanged. And who will develop - all who stayed are fully loaded.
A space communication station was used at the BZHRK, providing operation in MOTION through satellites in a highly elliptical orbit. Can we repeat it?
What does Russian Railways think?
From development to FULL-SCALE withdrawal on combat duty - "a huge distance."
And, probably, the main thing is the equipment. There is no own electronics. But Soviet products were 100% DOMESTIC configuration.
And finance, if any, will be torn A la Serdyukovs, Chubays ...
-smile: And if short-range? Iskander, for example.
This will negate a number of important advantages that the original BZHRK with ICBMs had.

[Ruslan_F38]

Maybe not everyone sawed and written off, but suddenly a couple of compounds still had the mind to preserve, and not to saw.

[Alex 241]

An abandoned base for repairing large-sized equipment, also the former military unit of the BZHRK.

After the signing of the START-2 treaty in 1993, Russia had to withdraw from service and dispose of all the Molodets RT-23UTTX missile systems by 2003. At the time of the decommissioning of the BZHRK complexes, Russia had 3 divisions, in Kostroma, Perm and Krasnoyarsk, 4 regiments with three launchers in each, a total of 12 trains with 36 launchers.

[Ash]

First, the oligarchs' servants should be kicked from the Kremlin, and then you can take up the construction of the BZHRK

[patriot2]

Quote: Boot under the carpet

In my opinion, it will not be a problem for them to keep track of the composition with nuclear weapons, and when the time "h" comes, they will undermine the iron tracks in order to cut off the composition in a certain square of terrain for more convenient destruction of the target.

It would be nice to build a network of railway tracks beyond the Urals in the far north of Siberia. Any spyon would be there in full view, and many problems of supplying the northern regions in winter would be solved, and he would be there for 6-8 months a year. And the very idea of ​​BZHRK is bad only for the adversary, who was interested in their primary destruction ...

[VladimS]

On Sunday, I listened to Kudrin, in the program of V. Solovyov and from disgust, I was distorted. He openly called the reduction of planned rearmament expenditures excessive, requiring cuts, as well as military ambitions.

There was a similar feeling.
He is then a liberal, will be accepted everywhere with a hug. There is a reason.
So much Russian money gave them.
So he believes, probably quite sincerely, that there is no danger to the country.
Why weapons ...?

[Dwarfik]

Gentlemen, have you really cut them? .....

[Nitup]

Quote: Dwarfik

Gentlemen, have you really cut them? .....

Probably yes.

[IgorND]

I served on it in 94-96, at that time they were already laid up. For two years of service, we came with the commission three times. For this time we were removed from all posts, they themselves "guarded". Once in January, they were wearing down jackets, all in the same, like penguins, and the frost was over 40 and they stuck out on a stool in the cold near the combat module for three days, and we were resting in a warm car until the regiment commander arrived at the complex and PCB did not suit us)))))))) They were afraid of these complexes.

[Colonelic]

Quote: Ash

First, the oligarchs' servants should be kicked from the Kremlin, and then you can take up the construction of the BZHRK

It does not interfere...

[Lecha57]

All this is good, but not very soon it will be implemented.

[Lecha57]

All this is good, but will not be implemented soon. - There are not enough capacities.

[oapvokin]

There is a beginning! But the good thing is that it ends well. Will wait.

[nazgul-ishe]

The secrecy and invulnerability of the "MILK" train is a myth. Another thing is the car chassis. This is what we need to work on.

[Nitup]

Quote: nazgul-ishe

The secrecy and invulnerability of the "MILK" train is a myth. Another thing is the car chassis. This is what we need to work on.

Why is this a myth?

[nazgul-ishe]

Do you know how many switchmen from A to B?

[pahom54]

HOORAY!!! He himself served in the BZHRK when he was just starting to turn around, so to speak, was among the pioneers. The Americans were very afraid of this complex, but ... not having had time to turn around, the EBN, in order to please the Americans, ordered them to be cut (put into scrap). I recall how many different difficulties rocketers faced - from mastering all the railroad wisdom and combining them with the requirements of carrying out combat duty to the purchase of deodorants in the first complex, so that it didn’t smell (the life support system of residential cars was poorly worked out) ...
There will be a lot of problems, because more than 20 years have passed since the destruction of these BZHRK ... But maybe the Ministry of Defense and the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces will find some ways to attract more surviving specialists as consultants, I think many would agree to help revive former power unselfishly and with full dedication.
Even today, these complexes pose a great threat to the States (and not only to them), and even more so if a new missile is used. I’ll drink it today for the health of sane people who have decided to revive the BZHRK, for the scientific designers and developers, and for the personnel of the new BZHRK! For health!!!

[Kavtorang]

Like be, absolutely not against it.
It strains one point: the commander of one of the military branches (Strategic Rocket Forces, in this case) allows himself to make some kind of press statement that is geopolitical
The President (aka the Supreme Civil Code) is silent, the Prime Minister is silent, the Defense Minister is silent, and Colonel General's tongue has come loose.
IMHO, something is wrong in the Kingdom of Gadsky. Toys in the "scarecrow" - did not bring anyone to any good.

[clidon]

News from scratch. There are two facts - it seems to be (or maybe not, but a liquid-propellant rocket weighing 100 tons is being developed) and a solid-propellant light rocket, the successor of the Topol line. There is a chassis for the second and long-term plans for the first, and without any guarantees.

And then the railway complexes? Because I really want to?

It is unlikely that they will put liquid on the platform - it will turn out to be a difficult system and expensive to operate (this is in the conditions that the economy is becoming denser), this is apart from the fact that even ampouled rockets as a whole are very delicate (and dangerous), shaking it constantly on rails, as it were very risky.
A solid-propellant rocket already has a mobile chassis and it is an unnecessary luxury to fence something "extra".
Much better for this (not infinite) money to establish a constant watch and build up the grouping of existing missiles.

[Nitup]

Quote: clidon

And then the railway complexes? Because I really want to?

There were allegations that MIT has so far begun preliminary design of the BZHRK

Quote: clidon

A solid-propellant rocket already has a mobile chassis and it is an unnecessary luxury to fence something "extra".
Much better for this (not infinite) money to establish a constant watch and build up the grouping of existing missiles.

Here I am about the same. There are mobile complexes, you just need to follow the path of their modernization (what is being done) and increasing supplies. Security measures ensure their invulnerability. The BZHRK should be revived only if the United States really has or will soon have the means to detect PGRK on patrol routes and obtain information about their whereabouts in real time.

[clidon]

There were allegations that MIT has so far begun preliminary design of the BZHRK

Thank you, really Borisov said that. It is interesting that the former MIT boss (Solomonov) was strongly against the "paravozov".

The revival of BZHRK should only be done if the United States really has or will soon have means of detecting PGRK on patrol routes

If they can reliably detect PGRK, then I think there’s nothing to catch with BZHRK in general.

[Nitup]

Quote: clidon

If they can reliably detect PGRK, then I think there’s nothing to catch with BZHRK in general.

But why? Outwardly, by weight, and by infrared radiation, they will not differ in any way from civilian personnel.

[clidon]

Previous domestic BZHRK differed and the notorious three locomotives and the size of the composition. So if the Americans can confidently catch installations on the country's roads a couple of tens of meters long, then long trains moving along relatively few railway tracks will be an easier task.

[Nitup]

Quote: clidon

Previous domestic BZHRK differed and the notorious three locomotives and the size of the composition. So if the Americans can confidently catch installations on the country's roads a couple of tens of meters long, then long trains moving along relatively few railway tracks will be an easier task.

They will see the trains anyway, but how will they determine, among other compounds, that this is the BZHRK. Moreover, in the European part of the railway there are quite branched out and there are thousands of trains on them. No, this is unrealistic.

[clidon]

Thousands? There are no such unique refrigerators 22 meters long, just a maximum of a hundred, you can track it from the "start" from the depot. You can connect agents or reconnaissance containers with neutron sensors pre-installed on the canvas, and the number of spies will be relatively small - there are not so many nodal stations, and it is not so easy to hide in a depot or tunnels - there are not hundreds of them.
Of course, all this beauty is possible first of all when solving the problem of searching for PGRK. To which so far it is not known which side to approach.

[Nitup]

Why is it necessary to use refrigerated wagons? There are, for example, the so-called. Boxcar. It has a length of about 16 m. Just enough for a slightly elongated to increase the distance of the Mace and still remain. There are exactly thousands of trains with such cars

[clidon]

To begin with, such a "land mace" should be born. On the same car chassis.
On the other hand, there will be an undercover vulnerability - all these trains are literal, and even civilian railway personnel will be aware of what and when they are going to. Then just keep track of the "marked" composition.

[garik77]

It seems like the railway complexes should have been done with existing missiles or am I confusing something?

[Sergey Medvedev]

So far, only words. We are waiting for the real deal to revive the BZHRK.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Nitup

Quote: Dwarfik

Gentlemen, have you really cut them? .....

Probably yes.

Yes, we showed zeal for disarmament !!! Overdid it! And not only in this area. It is necessary to restore the situation. A lot of effort and time will be spent on this.

[max702]

Chet did not understand why a rocket weighing 104 tons of three locomotives? One does not pull chtol? The carrying capacity of a standard wagon is 60 tons. here a little more ... well, so what? There are reinforced cars there, like almost 250 tons, they pull, and the standard train generally consists of 40-50 cars, almost a hundred tons each and pulls two locomotives, which is the notion of three locomotives, here either the author is not in the subject or the numbers are completely others ...

[Alex 241]

The average weight of the train was about 2500 tons, while freight trains had a weight of up to 6000 tons. Three locomotives were not because of this. BZHRK was a composition in which there were three starting modules. If necessary, leaving the command module and auxiliary cars on the semi-station, these three launch modules could move apart and each module was transported by its own locomotive.

[polkownik1]

Great news ! And to "powder" enemy agents - each passenger of Russian Railways - a red button :)))) And let them look for who is in charge ... :))))

[Altona]

First, Gorbachev had to be publicly flogged and generally omitted as a person ... The Americans didn’t know about many cartoons and chips of our defense, they didn’t even know about the nuclear double of the Gorky region in the Chelyabinsk region, this scum told, but his tongue is harder than that of the most market habalks ... Trains can be revived, but this will no longer be a chip and not the fact that a beacon will not stick to the train ...

[Mature naturalist]

Quote: Altona

did not even know about the nuclear double of the Gorky region in the Chelyabinsk region

And I do not know, give a link to read?

[KOH]

[quote = max702] Chet did not understand why a rocket weighing 104 tons three locomotives? One does not pull chtol? The carrying capacity of a standard wagon is 60 tons. here a little more ... well, so what? There are reinforced cars there, like almost 250 tons, they pull, and the standard train generally consists of 40-50 cars, almost a hundred tons each and pulls two locomotives, which is the notion of three locomotives, here either the author is not in the subject or the numbers are completely others ... [/ quote

I saw him when he worked on a piece of iron, there weren’t any three locomotives, reinforced rails, wagons with eight wheelsets, an ordinary mail carrier, only with security ...

[family tree]

Quote: CON

I saw him when he worked on a piece of iron, there weren’t any three locomotives, reinforced rails, wagons with eight wheelsets, an ordinary mail carrier, only with security ...

The "scalpel", in appearance, is a five-car refrigeration section. In the middle of the control car, in front of and behind it, there are two refrigerated cars.

ps Today afternoon, two sections drove past

[waisson]

without reading the statements and wishes I’m glad if we again return the rockets to the railway platform, they had amer’s haemorrhoids in the anal ........ holes

[AlexA]

It would be all nothing. Only in the USSR and in decent times the new rocket was worked out for about 10 years. And over the past 20 years, both the design and production personnel have not grown younger. After all, satellites do not fall from a good life. And the Bulava still won't fly. And cooperation is broken. Many enterprises simply no longer exist. And NO - even super correct - decisions of the government of this situation - alas - can not be corrected. Moreover, given the existing economic model. And the remaining defense enterprises are not the same. These are in many ways machines for grinding cash injections.
And from a technical point of view, in that launcher that was shown in the photo, it is quite possible to place a small-sized ICBM. The same MIT has some groundwork. If anyone remembers the courier. But ..., as if everything did not work again.

[Basarev]

What do you think about the strategic airship? Take the Tsiolkovsky project, upgrade it, install an atomic reactor instead of internal combustion engines and hang up the darkness of missiles to float along the northern shores ...

[mshl]

Quote: Alex 241

In the entire history of the operation of the BZHRK, the RT-23UTTX Molodets rocket (in Western Scalpel SS-24 terminology) launched only once. Released from the Kostroma region, she hit a target in Kamchatka. The Americans could not track the coordinates of the complex either before or after the launch.

Nonsense complete, in quote. They didn’t shoot from there, it shot NOT Kostroma, and NOT from Kostroma, of course, they shot more than once before.
The last time the Permians fired a ten-year-old rocket from Plesetsk, on the Kura, they hit "a peg".
As a result, the product was extended from 10 to 15 years.

[tomas.09]

Comrades! And what does Club-K not like? Put containers on the type of dry cargo ship and wander around the seas. Go wherever you want and all that !!!

[chunga-changa]

An air defense train would be nice to start with. Surely all the positions of the object air defense are known with an accuracy of a meter, but here they have overtaken them by 10 km and the heels of the tomahawks can not even be shot down anyway. Or a train with OTP, which is also not bad in the European part of the country.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

A great idea with such formidable trains was! It’s right that they are reviving. After all, anything can be placed on them (mobility and secrecy. CHEAP AND ANGRY ..)

[morpogr]

If they do very well, let the Americans feel nervous more, and then everywhere they bumped into their pro.

[Owl]

This is reasonable, given the American strategy of a preventive non-nuclear high-precision global strike, it is the secrecy of nuclear weapons carriers that will possibly stop the “most democratic country” from dictating its will under the threat of the use of force. The main thing is that the leadership of our country does not lie under the world oligarchy (like “teddy Dima”).

[Rurikovich]

The Russian tradition is to first cut everything, so that later, when it comes to the little head that has been fooled, to start restoring everything again... You should NEVER trust the Anglo-Saxons under any pretext! They found someone to trust - the Americans... They cut everything they could, and what they didn’t cut begins to rot. Or, like the vaunted “Bulava”, it still won’t fly. And if it does fly, it won’t be soon - the personnel have been wasted in 20 years of devastation. Serdyukov literally destroyed the army. Look, good gentlemen, if it weren’t too late to take up your head and object to something. It is easier to break than to create. but you have to create it with the money of ordinary Russians, the oligarchs would rather buy another villa in New York, or another football club abroad. And they didn’t care about you. And you wait for the next “nuclear” composition for about 10-15 years... And Considering the “speed” with which new aircraft are being produced, new ships and submarines are being built and tested, I would not be surprised that the old one will rot faster than the new one will replace it. Stalin probably turned over in his grave, seeing what happened to the legacy of millions who gave their lives for a bright future...

[APASUS]

We should have sent “our partners” long ago and restored the railway-based ICBMs, otherwise some people’s imaginations ran wild and they completely lost their fear.

[sub307]

Nope, it’s not worth “sending” at all, just react adequately to their “movements” on missile defense issues and other things.

[understudy]

I quote... "A return to such based ICBMs would be a clear response to the deployment of elements of the American missile defense system in Eastern Europe."

Well... for some reason this answer is delayed, right up until 2020.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I remembered a Soviet joke:
Reagan fly with Brezhnev in an airplane for talks in Moscow.
Reagan: So I look at the porthole in your USSR alone combines in the fields! And we have aircraft carriers rocket tanks base around .. Why can you scare us?
Here the bunker of the combine opens and the rocket knocks the plane ..))))
Reagan fly with Brezhnev parachuting Reagan in shock ..
Leonid Ilyich, how did you think of this .. harvesters (combat) !!!
Brezhnev: Maybe you should also show the K-700 vertical take-off tractor!

It’s a children’s joke, of course (it was popular in childhood))) .. but the meaning is still relevant today..!

[Cherdak]

But I like these containers.

[pl675]

urgently -

ATHENS, October 7 – RIA Novosti, Gennady Melnik. A court in Greece sentenced former Defense Minister Akis Tsokhadzopoulos to 20 years in prison on charges of bribery and money laundering, Skai TV reported.

Sorry, I lost it.

[Cherdak]

It’s a pity, but the range is too short, but you can give it to Mexico or, at worst, French-speaking Canada

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Rurikovich

The Russian tradition is to first cut everything, so that later, when it comes to the little head that has been fooled, to start restoring everything again... You should NEVER trust the Anglo-Saxons under any pretext! They found someone to trust - the Americans... They cut everything they could, and what they didn’t cut begins to rot. Or, like the vaunted “Bulava”, it still won’t fly. And if it does fly, it won’t be soon - the personnel have been wasted in 20 years of devastation. Serdyukov literally destroyed the army. Look, good gentlemen, if it weren’t too late to take up your head and object to something. It is easier to break than to create. but you have to create it with the money of ordinary Russians, the oligarchs would rather buy another villa in New York, or another football club abroad. And they didn’t care about you. And you wait for the next “nuclear” composition for about 10-15 years... And Considering the “speed” with which new aircraft are being produced, new ships and submarines are being built and tested, I would not be surprised that the old one will rot faster than the new one will replace it. Stalin probably turned over in his grave, seeing what happened to the legacy of millions who gave their lives for a bright future...

Our Russian tactic is to mislead the enemy...))) to lure them into the vast Russian expanses and then drive and drive with a filthy broom, sweeping away everything in its path (a joke of course, but still..)

[Anton Nakhimov]

It’s good that we at least came to our senses that this measure is necessary, and thanks to Gorbachev and Borka the drunk for the cut trains

[Simon]

Quote: Anton Nakhimov

It’s good that we at least came to our senses that this measure is necessary, and thanks to Gorbachev and Borka the drunk for the cut trains

Thank you! Whoever shouts and talks more, but does nothing, we ourselves put on the throne. Take at least 1917, at least 1993.

[viktor_ui]

The Union is already in the region of a quarter of a century. HOW NOT...during this time period, nothing new has arisen in terms of novelty of military solutions that correspond to the realities of the XNUMXst century??? Here you sing in chorus that how this military-technical railway sausage will dashingly hide in the streams of railway trains scurrying here and there...
Can you ask a question to fill the audience: HOW MANY TIMES HAS RAILWAY FREIGHT TURNOVER REDUCED compared to the USSR... or is everything like it was then, hauls and sorting yards are clogged with different-sized trains waiting their turn??? Why do many people here think that it was good THEN, then chichas will work??? Our foreign friends, unlike us, had neither stagnation nor collapse in technology - or am I frequently confused??? I have a strategy in this regard... replace diesel locomotives with steam locomotives, and throw aluminum powder into their chimney, because when it flies into the chimney it will dissipate and completely hide the train from the spies... Don’t believe me? Well, as you wish
And we bet that I won’t develop anything new in this regard, but will just stupidly roll out what they didn’t have time to cut, paint it up and start passing it off as something that has no analogues in the world, but they will cut the budget money as a full-fledged development of the 21st century... In my understanding, it’s easier to put container ships on the roads in the ALYA-FURA style - they are no smaller in size than a railway car and MUST be done based on the technologies of the 21st century, and not the shaggy years, and from there you will have a reduction in weight-dimensional characteristics and what not wish...there will be a bright future.
The day before yesterday I read Buran’s topic, yesterday I was _fazed by the possible prospect of appointing a bloke_ from AvtoTaz as the boss of RosCosmos, today - a missile armored train... and tomorrow, apparently a laser space cart (look, Makhno’s relatives didn’t claim rights to it )
But I want that in our country they would start building bridges using seamless technology, like in despicable America - this snow-white beauty looks amazing against the backdrop of the green taiga, and how depressing it is to look at our bridges with the engineering scent from Tsarist Russia.

[wasilyek]

And who and where said that they should be made on the old element base and from materials thirty years ago?
Reforms, of course, set us back in technology compared to other countries, but even in these years some developments were underway. They need to be put into action and go further.

[воронов]

Quote: AVV

The railway complexes must be returned!!!

In order to destroy them again after some time

[sxn278619]

The USA had a project (1980) - they dig a trench, cover it with slabs, and something like a nuclear missile system rides on it.
At a signal, the slab is opened and a rocket is launched (analogous to ice at the pole).
The main advantage is that it is not possible to determine where the installation is by any means.
Disadvantage - expensive.

[Unsam]

We protect the world, we protect the world
And we’ll drive an atomic bolt into anyone you want.

[scientist]

In my opinion, the creation of the PZHRK is a good replacement for stationary silo-based ICBMs. Mobility is so far the only guarantee of survivability. The main thing is that this is a very good incentive for negotiations on reducing the nuclear arsenal and possibly a complete ban on nuclear weapons. The only question is, what will become the main limiting factor in the future? There is a good proverb: “sometimes even a stick shoots.” What can we say about a nuclear baton, if it’s not the enemy you can hit yourself on the head with?

[Nitup]

Quote: scientist

In my opinion, the creation of the PZHRK is a good replacement for stationary silo-based ICBMs. Mobility is so far the only guarantee of survivability.

Mine complexes cannot be abandoned for the following reasons:
1. their greatest operational readiness for action
2. the greatest protection from the actions of saboteurs.
Therefore, the two-component structure of the Strategic Missile Forces (silo launcher and PGRK) is the most optimal

[Brave]

[quote=Quiet] There is such a SS secrecy code.
And there is also OV

[Janis S.U.]

Quote: scientist

In my opinion, the creation of the PZHRK is a good replacement for stationary silo-based ICBMs. Mobility is so far the only guarantee of survivability. The main thing is that this is a very good incentive for negotiations on reducing the nuclear arsenal and possibly a complete ban on nuclear weapons. The only question is, what will become the main limiting factor in the future? There is a good proverb: “sometimes even a stick shoots.” What can we say about a nuclear baton, if it’s not the enemy you can hit yourself on the head with?

--------------------
As soon as Russia has a certain minimum of nuclear charges and operational means of delivering them, the States and their numerous puppets will finally try to close the centuries-old Game called “destruction of a geopolitical competitor by all possible forces and means.” Is there any point in stepping on this rake? How many times already, at the moment of weakening of Russia, its numerous “friends” immediately flew in to ensure its dismemberment? Few of the Fleet were destroyed in their time, especially new or in excellent condition ships, how many aircraft were destroyed? How many excellent specialists, that is, officers, were fired, when it was possible to at least place them in the same sergeant positions and have highly qualified personnel? It is clear that at one time Khrushchev was tormented by foolishness, at another the Union was falling apart and at the same time the EBN did sad things, which is very unfortunate, but still many things could have been avoided by understanding one immutable truth - without an army there is no state. And with the Russian borders and those natural resources that are inside them - there is an abundance of those who want to rip off...

[scientist]

Agree. There is currently no alternative to nuclear deterrence. But you will also agree that this cannot continue indefinitely.
Therefore, new, more humane methods of containment are needed. For example, now many experts agree that damage to the economy and infrastructure of the state when using information weapons can be equated to damage from the use of weapons of mass destruction. I think there are other promising developments of non-lethal weapons.

[Alexstalker]

non-lethal!? American type! Bomb Iraq supposedly... Syria supposedly... and so on! Divide and rule!!!?

[konvalval]

Good news. And for those who are involved in the destruction of the BZHRK, tear off everything in the world. And this tagged “prince of darkness” is for the OKU, which was not even subject to the quartering agreement.

[Volkhov]

A month ago they shot down both Bulava and 2 Sinevs with beam weapons - you can still shoot at Georgia once, and by the second shot they will run to the enemy in order to get under the umbrella.
The time of rockets has passed before it even began - we need to learn physics.

[kostyan77708]

Where is this news from, can I provide a link...and who knocked it down?

[Volkhov]

In the press it was - Bulava was “tested” on September 6, the rest was in the Mediterranean.
There are other explanations in these cases, but the ears stick out strongly - the firing plane, for example... The mace fell into the Arctic Ocean, and if it had flown to Kamchatka for a training ground, it would have fallen on land or in the coastal seas.
Naturally, the one who was shot at was shot down - this is a normal reaction - determining the trajectory and defending.

[Arabist]

And who were we shooting at?

[VNP1958PVN]

Why has no one asked anything from the “tagged prince” yet! How many people and everything he sold for Judas 200000 green pieces of silver!

[Alexstalker]

Quote: Quiet

And when about a dozen trains will run around the country, then put the enemy before the fact

I repeat again. There will be more to go !!! But what false models and which real few will know !!!!

[Alexstalker]

I saw these locomotives in 79-8. Our control battery served, or rather the weather platoon. The control battery was a mobile military unit in those years in the KDVO

[KOH]

Quote: perepilka

Quote: CON

I saw him when he worked on a piece of iron, there weren’t any three locomotives, reinforced rails, wagons with eight wheelsets, an ordinary mail carrier, only with security ...

The "scalpel", in appearance, is a five-car refrigeration section. In the middle of the control car, in front of and behind it, there are two refrigerated cars.

ps Today afternoon, two sections drove past

Yes, it even looks more like a ref, and I also remember that the cars were not the same height, but maybe I’m wrong, and in your photo they are gray, I saw green ones, this is a camouflage, for refs, for the trunk...

[Alexstalker]

what year was it?

[nazgul-ishe]

Quote: CON

Quote: perepilka

Quote: CON

I saw him when he worked on a piece of iron, there weren’t any three locomotives, reinforced rails, wagons with eight wheelsets, an ordinary mail carrier, only with security ...

The "scalpel", in appearance, is a five-car refrigeration section. In the middle of the control car, in front of and behind it, there are two refrigerated cars.

ps Today afternoon, two sections drove past

Yes, it even looks more like a ref, and I also remember that the cars were not the same height, but maybe I’m wrong, and in your photo they are gray, I saw green ones, this is a camouflage, for refs, for the trunk...

Look at the switchmen.

[Watson J.]

Hmmm, it seems that in the context of China’s growing economic superiority, only a good nuclear club can save us. Necessary. Vital. They will devour us if they are not afraid.

[chushoj]

Perhaps everyone understands that this is a hoax. This is an unpromising direction. Internal "well-wishers" try to advertise and admire it. Others pretend to agree, but in reality they are identifying internal “well-wishers”. This tendency has long been recognized as malicious, which is cultivated by internal “well-wishers” so that money goes to the wrong place.

[Nitup]

Quote: chushoj

Perhaps everyone understands that this is a hoax. This is an unpromising direction. Internal "well-wishers" try to advertise and admire it. Others pretend to agree, but in reality they are identifying internal “well-wishers”. This tendency has long been recognized as malicious, which is cultivated by internal “well-wishers” so that money goes to the wrong place.

Perhaps, especially, as it seems to me, this is connected with the creation of a new heavy silo ICBM, but there may also be a banal commercial interest of individuals here.
How exactly is BZHRK harmful?

[chushoj]

Not the BZHRK, but the direction. This direction is harmful because there is something better.

[Nitup]

Quote: chushoj

Not the BZHRK, but the direction. This direction is harmful because there is something better.

What, if not a secret?

[shtanko.49]

Quote: shark

Look deeper. Putin got Russia bound by enslaving agreements. For example, gas production in Sakhalin was completely monopolized by amers. Not a penny went to our budget, the same thing happened with oil and many other things. Some of them still remain, part of Putin the reason was Boris Yeltsin, those traitors who hung around behind him (Gaidar, Chubais, Nemtsov, Burbulis and many many others). The reason is Gorbachev, who gave the alliance to the leaders of the national republics. These names will be damned for centuries. But Putin had to play by the rules by which he was losing in advance. Yes, in many ways he is not right, he could not break a lot. But forgive me, our pensioners do not die of hunger, as was the case with EBN, and soldiers no longer run at metro and do not ask for a ruble for bread. Was it after all. Forgotten?

I completely agree with the author and I also want to add that we probably have such a mentality, destroy everything and build something new with great difficulty, but there are advantages to this, we are simply forced to move forward, update the means of production and train people. It is difficult, slow, but necessary, and this process should objectively accelerate.
, but necessary.

[Clueless]

I hope that when Gorbachy dies like a dog, the devils will fry him in hell every minute, they sawed up a lot of good for him

[Arabist]

Yes, he will destroy hell.

[Anton Nakhimov]

Quote: Simon

Quote: Anton Nakhimov

It’s good that we at least came to our senses that this measure is necessary, and thanks to Gorbachev and Borka the drunk for the cut trains

Thank you! Whoever shouts and talks more, but does nothing, we ourselves put on the throne. Take at least 1917, at least 1993.

Both in 1917 and in 1993 they came to power by force, in the elections at that time Zyuganov won by the number of votes, and Borka came to power... we, unfortunately, do not decide anything, everyone in power is “ours and ours”, the thief is thief, and many “conscientious” voters generally sell their votes and cave in..

[Anton Nakhimov]

and in the 17th there was a general bacchanalia going on, it’s scary to imagine and it’s a shame to remember that a bunch of Jews massacred the Russian intelligentsia and put the country on starvation rations, plunging it into chaos and ruin...

[mshl]

Quote: tomas.09

Comrades! What is it about Club-K that doesn’t suit you? Place containers on dry cargo ships and sail across the seas. Go wherever you want and that's it

Wake up. How can you compare 10 heads of 0,4 megatons with a CEP of 0.5 km, with a range of 10 thousand km, and a single-headed club of 300 km???
100500 slingshots will not replace one Kalash.

[mshl]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Quote: niki233
Soviet ones could be distinguished from lightweight only by hinges on the roof.

and a double wheeled cart "refrigerator". But it could only be "seen" from the ground. And from space - a train like a train. During the day, he stands in a sump among his own kind. Runs like a letter at night. Go find it among the same kind of refrigerated goods.

From space, its specific thermal profile in the IR range is noticeable, and the hatches in the roof were visible, afaik.

[VladimS]

And we must remember that the destruction of these trains occurred precisely under Putin (not under Yeltsin), as did the closure of the tracking station in Lourdes in Cuba. By the way, material for thought.

It’s probably worth recalling that agreements were reached and documents were signed during Yeltsin’s time. And the fulfillment of obligations came at the time of Putin, when he did not yet have much support in the upper echelons of power.
So no need for blah blah here.
During the crisis there was no time for remote stations; there was simply not enough money.
They forgot how many months they did not pay pensions, salaries at many enterprises and others
urgent payments?

[slovak007]

It is very strange that we are talking about liquid ICBMs. Such rockets have very corrosive fuel components. At one time, the military abandoned this type of missile due to the length of preparation for launch.

[Rus86]

I recently read in a technology and weapons magazine about American missiles and “atlases”, the first ones were ready for half an hour. but already in the mid-70s they reached 5 minutes of readiness. I think our progress has not stood still either. especially in those times)

[202 rp]

I believe that only the solid-fuel rocket option is being considered for the BZHRK; whoever wrote about the liquid-fuel one was simply mistaken.