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10 photos from strategypage.com from October 8 2013 year

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1. Engine check



Gulf of Oman (September 26, 2013), technicians from the intermediate aircraft maintenance department oversee a jet engine test aboard the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier (CVN 75). Harry S. Truman leads the eponymous carrier carrier group deployed as part of the 5th American fleetwhose responsibility is to promote the safety of maritime operations and support missions as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. (Photo by 3rd Class Media Specialist Christopher A. Morrison, United States Navy)

2. QF- 16, ready for death


The QF-16 full-scale air target from the 82 airborne target squadron flies over the Gulf of Mexico during its first unmanned flight at Tyndale, Florida, 19 September, 2013. 82-I uses exclusively full-scale air targets. According to the operators, QF-16 will provide insight into the real threats of fourth-generation fighters for the purpose of testing and training. (Photo by master sergeant J. Scott Wilcox (J. Scott Wilcox), USAF)

3. Camel movement


US Army Sergeant Alva Gwinn, left, and Private Clayton Baldwin from the 87 Engineering Company watch the camels of the Shekhabad Bridge during their demining mission in the Wardak province, Afghanistan, 12, August 2013. of the year. Americans and their Afghan partners regularly conduct demining missions in order to maintain freedom of movement for military and civilian traffic. (Photo by 1 th Lt. Yau-Liong Tsau, US Army)

4. New near the old


The RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV is preparing for takeoff while the U-2 scout approaches the 17 on September 2013 of September at Beale, California. RQ-4 and Y-2 are the main high-altitude reconnaissance, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft. (Photo by 1 class Bobby Cummings, USAF)

5. SM-3 Block 1B Missile Defense Tests


The Pacific Ocean (18 September 2013 of the year) launched the SM-3 Block 1B interceptor from the USS Lake Erie missile cruiser (CG 70) during a test of the Missile Defense Agency successfully hit the target of an operational-tactical ballistic missile on the coast of Kauai, Hawaii. (Photo by the US Department of Defense)

6. Mixed with terrain


Soldiers from the company of Gunfighter, 1 Battalion, 506 Infantry Regiment, 4 Brigade Tactical Group, 101 Airborne Division, climb the mountainside to ensure the safety of adjacent units in the vicinity of the forward base Wilderness, Paktia Province, Afghanistan, September 1 2013 year. Soldiers ensure the safety of the 555 Engineer Brigade, which builds the Mabey-Johnson bridge over Khost-Gardez. (Photo by Sergeant Justin Moiler (Justin Moeller), US Army)

7. Dust


Marines of Alpha Company, 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Marine Division move to tank M1A1 Abrams to his goal during the Golden Eagle 2013 exercises on September 14, 2013. The exercises are annual, company and joint with the Australian Army and the Marine Corps. Such an exchange allows us to strengthen military-technical cooperation and combat skills. (Photo by Sergeant Sarah Fiocco)

8. Takeoff Freedom


The 22 aircraft participated in the "Freedom Takeoff" of the 11 on September 2013 at the Travis Airbase, State California. Seven C-17 Globemaster III, eleven KC-10 Extender and four C-5B Galaxies from the 60th air wing aviation mobility lined up in what is historically called the "elephant walk", then sequentially took off for 36 minutes to participate in the exercises. The first plane in the C-17 line took off at 8:46, while terrorists attacked the north tower of the World Trade Center in New York 12 years ago. (Photo by Ken Wright, U.S. Air Force)


9. Deafening!


A US Army soldier (left) from Battery B, 5 Battalion, 25 Field Field Artillery Regiment, 4 Brigade Tactical Group, 10 Mountain Division watches the 122 mm D-30 howitzer fired by a soldier of the Afghan National Army from 4 Company, 3 Brigade, 201 Corps in the process of certification exercises at the forward operational base Tagab, Kapisa Province, Afghanistan, 5 September 2013. Battery B, deployed at the leading operational base of Gamberi in Laghman province, trains artillery soldiers from all over Eastern Afghanistan to properly handle the Soviet-made D-30 howitzer capable of hitting targets at a distance of more than 15. (Photo by Sergeant Margaret Taylor (Margaret Taylor), 129 Mobile Communications Division of the US National Guard)

10. Saberhawk


Pacific Ocean (13 September 2013 of the year) the MH-60R Sea Hawk helicopter from the 77 th Saberhawks XHUMX helicopter maritime strike squadron lands on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier George Washington (CVN 73) during the wing wing exercise. George Washington and the 5-wing deployed on it form the combat-ready forces serving the collective maritime interests of the US and its allies and partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region. (Photo by an 3 Mass Communications Class Specialist Ranon G. Go. (Ramon G. Go), US Navy)
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  1. xetai9977
    xetai9977 9 October 2013 08: 04 New
    14
    Thanks to the author for an interesting selection of photos.
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        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 9 October 2013 09: 52 New
          20
          And Yes D-30 Livelier than all living
          1. Professor
            9 October 2013 09: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: leon-iv
            And Yes D-30 Livelier than all living

            Well, the Americans do not want to arm the Afghans with their equipment. They bought Mi-8s, then howitzers. Why's that? wink
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 9 October 2013 10: 11 New
              +9
              Why did it happen?

              she was offered. The Afghans flatly refused. Only the D-30 was there and scooped up the remains from all sorts of Bulgarians and Romanians. True, Americans raped their gesheft by painting and type, having modernized them.
              And the Mi-8/17 there simply out of competition is recognized by the Americans themselves. Thanks to high-altitude engines, they can be based on high-altitude platforms. Too lazy to look for a table
              But in my opinion Sikorsky up to 2 ~ 2,5 km can start up and Mi 3,5 km but I can make a mistake.
              1. igor67
                igor67 9 October 2013 10: 15 New
                +7
                Quote: leon-iv
                Why did it happen?

                she was offered. The Afghans flatly refused. Only the D-30 was there and scooped up the remains from all sorts of Bulgarians and Romanians. True, Americans raped their gesheft by painting and type, having modernized them.
                And the Mi-8/17 there simply out of competition is recognized by the Americans themselves. Thanks to high-altitude engines, they can be based on high-altitude platforms. Too lazy to look for a table
                But in my opinion Sikorsky up to 2 ~ 2,5 km can start up and Mi 3,5 km but I can make a mistake.

                Hi buddy, plus the price and simplicity of cars, it’s a little expensive to retrain Afghans on American cars, and they’ve already taught you how to fly Boeing
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 9 October 2013 10: 36 New
                  10
                  Or here is a super photo
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 9 October 2013 10: 47 New
                    +4
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    Or here is a super photo

                    My friend, I still meant the boorish comment of Eugene, why not separately upload the pictures myself in a single article about the modern Russian army? Many times such rude comments about these articles of the professor (Oleg), After all, there is still no such article.
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 9 October 2013 11: 07 New
                      +6
                      Here's an example: driver mechanic Igor Kutergin overcoming pain helps the crew in tank biathlon competitions, etc.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 9 October 2013 20: 45 New
                        +2
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              2. Professor
                9 October 2013 10: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: leon-iv
                she was offered. The Afghans flatly refused.

                laughing Cool joke. Show me the one who will refuse free Blackhawks.
                Quote: leon-iv
                Too lazy to look for a table

                Do not look. I myself saw how the Mi-8 in the Himalayas flew where no one else patched. In fairness, it is worth noting that the Nepalese simply did not have Blackhawks.
                However, it seems to me that the Americans are preparing a bridgehead after their exit from Afghanistan. Guess who will take their place.

                Quote: igor67
                retrain Afghans on American cars a little expensive

                There was no one to retrain there already. Learned again.
                1. Rider
                  Rider 9 October 2013 10: 55 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Professor
                  laughing Cool joke. Show me the one who will refuse free Blackhawks.

                  Well, I won’t say for hawks. but it seems to me that they were waiting for the same fate as 16 Italian transport C-27A.

                  It was decided to transfer all Afghan S-27A aircraft for disposal. Total US expenditures for the entire S-27A supply program for Afghanistan, their operation, support and supply, training for Afghan personnel, etc. amounted to almost 600 million dollars, which ended up being thrown into the wind

                  http://warfiles.ru/show-20995-okonchatelnoe-fiasko-s-afganskimi-samoletami-s-27a
                  .html


                  cut forever.
                2. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 9 October 2013 11: 21 New
                  +2
                  Cool joke. Show me the one who will refuse free Blackhawks.

                  it was about howitzers. And about vertically everything turned out from the experience of using European and Amerian technology. The US military-industrial complex really wanted to drive its wagons to the Afghans. Those stood in a pose is not necessary and all. The congress is still stinking. + The cost of a flight hour at Blackhawk is more expensive.
                  Found everything. MI-17V-5 3850 static ceiling
                  The blackhawk UH-60M 1,831 m as they say comments are superfluous.
                  1. Professor
                    9 October 2013 12: 32 New
                    +1
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    Found everything. MI-17V-5 3850 static ceiling
                    The blackhawk UH-60M 1,831 m as they say comments are superfluous.

                    Not so simple. Nobody offered blackhawks to Afghans at all, about the eights for them I already laid out the article and affirmed in the opinion that all this was connected with the upcoming retreat.
                    1. The Indian Joe
                      The Indian Joe 10 October 2013 11: 29 New
                      0
                      Professor, I apologize for the offtopic, but just one thought haunts you.
                      Let me remind you that you once said to me, "Let the Jews decide for themselves which of them is a Jew," arguing with quotations and references to the works of Jewish leaders.

                      Tell me, why should we (all non-Jews) listen to one side and reject the opinion of the other? There are two sides - Jews by birth, calling themselves Jews, and Jews as you are believers, who consider themselves Jews for this reason. For us, all of you are Jews, regardless of your faith. I am interested in your opinion as a believing Jew.
                      1. Professor
                        10 October 2013 12: 00 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        Professor, I apologize for the offtopic, but just one thought haunts you.
                        Let me remind you that you once said to me, "Let the Jews decide for themselves which of them is a Jew," arguing with quotations and references to the works of Jewish leaders.

                        Tell me, why should we (all non-Jews) listen to one side and reject the opinion of the other? There are two sides - Jews by birth, calling themselves Jews, and Jews as you are believers, who consider themselves Jews for this reason. For us, all of you are Jews, regardless of your faith. I am interested in your opinion as a believing Jew.


                        Let's say that I am a believing Jew. By the way, the Jews practically do not have such a concept. There are religious Jews and non-religious ones. The paradox is that even a religious Jew is not required to believe in God, but only to keep the commandments. Neither where nor in any of the Rabbi's sermons does it say "believe," but only observe. For Christians it is different, but for Muslims it is generally different. So let's imagine that we live in a community. We eat one spiritual bread and equally pray to one God. And here comes the type and who neither sleep nor spirit comes to us and declares that he belongs to our community. And other communities do not mind. In your opinion, it turns out that we do not need to ask?

                        I repeat. Jews and only Jews can decide who is Jewish and who is not. Like the Japanese and only they decide who is Japanese and who is not. Tomorrow it will occur to me that I am Japanese, despite the fact that I have never even been there, I don’t know history, traditions, language, etc., and everyone will have to agree with this? So why should YOU (all non-Jews) listen to one side and reject the other? Because the community determines its essence, and not a separate individual who does not belong to it, or even belongs to it, determines the whole essence of the community. There are no two sides - Jews by origin, who call themselves Jews, and Jews "like me" - believers who consider themselves Jews for this very reason. There are either Jews or goyim (not Jews). Again, there are no Muslim Jews, Christian Jews, or Gentile Jews. It doesn't matter who the parents of a Jew were (even if they were rabbis), when he adopts another religion he ceases to be not only a Jew, but also a Jew.

                        For you, are we Jews, regardless of our faith? But you do not decide anything. We solve it. Just like the Jews do not decide who is Russian and who is not. Such a breakdown.
                      2. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 10 October 2013 14: 45 New
                        0
                        Let's say I'm a Jewish Jew
                        - not allow, but, let's say, a Judaist. Well, you understand what I meant, I just don’t understand how you can keep the commandments and not believe in the God who gave them to you. But these are the details.

                        And here comes the type and which to us, neither with a dream nor with a spirit, and declares that it belongs to our community
                        - Amendment, not to the community, but to the people. A people is a somewhat larger concept than a community, don't you find? Read the meaning of both terms on the wiki, but for now, your example is incorrect.

                        Jews and only Jews can decide who is Jewish
                        - you, I see, are somewhat forgotten, I will put you in your place. Jews and only Jews can decide who is a Jew, ONLY BETWEEN YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR YOURSELF, "for internal use." And all other peoples, who are not Jews, can have their own point of view, who is a Jew and who is not, I made it clear? If a part of the Jewish people does not agree with the opinion of the outside majority, these are their problems, and they cannot influence the opinion of the outside majority.

                        For you, are we Jews, regardless of our faith?
                        - absolutely right.
                        But you do not decide anything. We solve it
                        - you haven’t decided anything, as far as the opinion of you of other peoples is, you do not decide, and you will not decide. You can only express your disagreement with this opinion (which you did), but you are not able to change it and are not able to.

                        Just like the Jews do not decide who is Russian and who is not
                        - That for God's sake, decide on your health, you have every right to your opinion. All the same, your point of view will be the point of view of one of many peoples, and not the opinion of all.
                        In the meantime, the opinion of very, very many people and peoples about Jews (and not only about them) - if a person, by virtue of his origin, and a number of other details, relates himself to any of the peoples, he is considered to belong to this people - outside depending on what part of this people thinks of him.
                        Thank you for your communication, I understood your point of view and expressed mine, all the best.
                      3. Professor
                        10 October 2013 19: 46 New
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                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Thank you for your communication, I understood your point of view and expressed mine, all the best.

                        Please, your opinion on this issue does not interest me at all. hi
              3. mikkado31
                mikkado31 9 October 2013 22: 54 New
                0
                These are generally different type helicopters.
                1. Professor
                  10 October 2013 09: 29 New
                  0
                  Quote: mikkado31
                  These are generally different type helicopters.

                  In fact, they are not different, both multipurpose military transport are of the same class.
        2. mikkado31
          mikkado31 9 October 2013 22: 52 New
          +1
          They didn’t buy and gave away what was left of the Czechs, Romanians, Poles and others.
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 9 October 2013 10: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: igor67
      ... photos of the Russian armed forces ...


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      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 9 October 2013 11: 38 New
        +4
        eplewke
        Are you nervous?
      2. Professor
        9 October 2013 12: 32 New
        +8
        Quote: eplewke
        You can put your pictures in your ass, comrade professor ...

        You are not my friend.
        1. eplewke
          eplewke 9 October 2013 13: 43 New
          +1
          I generally try to avoid the Jews ...
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 9 October 2013 13: 59 New
            11
            Quote: eplewke
            I generally try to avoid the Jews ...


            That's right, why decent people look at you))
            On the topic - thanks to the prof for the article. If you hadn’t laid them out here, then there would be nowhere to arrange srach in comments))) And so much fun))
            1. Professor
              9 October 2013 14: 01 New
              +7
              Quote: il grand casino
              If you hadn’t laid them out here, there would be nowhere to arrange srach in comments

              Here you are wrong, the boor will always find where to cheat. wink
              1. il grand casino
                il grand casino 9 October 2013 14: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: il grand casino
                If you hadn’t laid them out here, there would be nowhere to arrange srach in comments

                Here you are wrong, the boor will always find where to cheat. wink

                Well, I'm not talking about boors ... by the word srach I meant a dispute of several parties on an interesting topic)))
                1. eplewke
                  eplewke 9 October 2013 14: 47 New
                  -3
                  The point is this, in order to fill in more liquid caustic and odorous mixture by sowing pro-American posts. At the same time, neighing over you ... Aha ha !!! Keep posting, it amuses me ...laughing
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 9 October 2013 14: 55 New
                    +6
                    Quote: eplewke
                    The point is this, to fill ... sowing pro-American posts. At the same time neighing over you ...

                    yes calm down you Eugene.
                    be restrained.
                    I’m telling you like an anti-Semite anti-Semite.

                    This article is relevant to this resource.
                    if it is not interesting to you, then it is quite possible not to read it.
                    and Prof, a very interesting conversationalist, and very educated, rarely anyone managed to send him KNOWLEDGE to knockout.

                    besides, he has such a job.
                    wink
                  2. Professor
                    9 October 2013 15: 02 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Rider
                    besides, he has such a job.

                    Work is a paid activity, but I do it absolutely free.

                    PS
                    If some tryndets thinks that I especially select photos, then let him first take a walk through the link attached to the article and make sure that I post everything in a row with rare exceptions, for example such.

                    http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/2013093010612.aspx
                  3. Rider
                    Rider 9 October 2013 15: 16 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Professor
                    I do it absolutely free.


                    come on you prof, well then I can (in my ear) I won’t tell anyone.

                    laughing
                  4. eplewke
                    eplewke 9 October 2013 16: 33 New
                    -3
                    Well, I’ll repeat it once more !!! Fasting is full homo and bullshit !!! laughing Drive the fifth column out of you with a filthy broom !!!
                2. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 9 October 2013 16: 04 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Rider
                  Prof, a very interesting interlocutor, and very educated, rarely anyone was able to send him KNOWLEDGE to knockout.

                  I will answer you so about Professor Herrr:

                  Once in a similar photographic theme, HerrrProfessor pretty much went wrong and now his collections are more carefully selected. And he blacklisted those who were not acceptable (for example, me).
                  And after one incident with a photograph of some kind of F -... that same F -.... or similar crashed. Therefore, I sincerely hope that the photos posted by GerProfessor accumulate energy and project onto these wafers. For many years, the brood with photo number 8, hatya all ten of them will not be high. wink
                3. Rider
                  Rider 9 October 2013 16: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  . And he blacklisted those who were not acceptable (for example, me).

                  well, this is a common practice, three of me have already been "banned"

                  besides, the prof has a bad habit of going into "denial",
                  that is, what the state of Israel did not recognize, respectively, it was not.
                  as in the case of the bombing of Syria, Tsakhal did not admit the fact of the bombing, which means that they were carried out by someone else.

                  (like - Martians stood up for the chosen people)

                  laughing
                4. Professor
                  9 October 2013 20: 52 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Rider
                  besides, the prof has a bad habit of going into "denial",
                  that is, what the state of Israel did not recognize, respectively, it was not.
                  as in the case of the bombing of Syria, Tsakhal did not admit the fact of the bombing, which means that they were carried out by someone else.

                  Not so, dear. No material evidence and confession means the rest of verbiage.
                5. Rider
                  Rider 9 October 2013 21: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  There is no material evidence and confession means the rest of verbiage.


                  here prof, not caught - not a thief.

                  this we have already passed, not worth the second time.
          2. eplewke
            eplewke 9 October 2013 16: 28 New
            -3
            Then let it spread its der * mo somewhere else! On Israeli sites. What the hell are they doing in RuNet? What have you forgotten? Are you messed up at home? Or, as usual with Jews: dad - Russian, mother - Ukrainian, myself - a Jew, I live in Israel ?? Brrr !!! No.
          3. Professor
            9 October 2013 20: 46 New
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            Quote: eplewke
            Then let it spread its der * mo somewhere else! On Israeli sites. What the hell are they doing in RuNet? What have you forgotten? Are you messed up at home? No.

            Contact the League of Sexual Minorities or contact the site administration to ban me.

            Quote: eplewke
            Or, as usual with the Jews: dad - Russian, mother - Ukrainian, myself - a Jew, I live in Israel?

            Likbez. Pass the giyur and no matter who mom and dad (dad is Russian, mom is Ukrainian) become a Jew. wink Maybe in your person the Jewish people will acquire another Nobel laureate.
            http://www.newsru.co.il/world/09oct2013/nobel_ch_110.html
        2. Volkolak
          Volkolak 9 October 2013 16: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Rider
          rarely did anyone manage to send him KNOWLEDGE.

          This saboteur (prokhessor) was repeatedly caught in a lie. So he is caught more than once.
        3. Rider
          Rider 9 October 2013 16: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: VOLKOLAK
          So he is caught more than once.


          I quite believe.
        4. Professor
          9 October 2013 19: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Rider
          I quite believe.

          But you do not believe the word of liars, but ask for examples.
  2. Volkolak
    Volkolak 9 October 2013 16: 26 New
    -1
    Quote: eplewke
    The point is this, to fill in more liquid caustic and odorous mixture by sowing pro-American posts.

    Yes, this is their work, they have a gesheft from this.
  3. rolik
    rolik 9 October 2013 17: 36 New
    0
    Quote: eplewke
    The point is this, to pour more liquid caustic and odorous mixture by sowing pro-American posts

    And we will place such a thing in reply)))))
    This is Vikramaditya before testing her take-off and landing equipment. Barents Sea.
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  5. rolik
    rolik 9 October 2013 17: 47 New
    +1
    And here's another interesting one.
    For the first time, a special alloy bearing was made at the enterprise. this bearing was made for a minesweeper. In addition, a bearing project is being developed for the icebreaker of project 22220, the construction of which will be carried out at the Baltic Shipyard. And in the future, on the basis of the enterprise, it is planned to create a Competence Center for ship bearings.
  • rolik
    rolik 9 October 2013 17: 26 New
    0
    Quote: il grand casino
    Well, I'm not talking about boors ... by the word srach I meant a dispute of several parties on an interesting topic))

    The professor is a normal conversationalist. Well, it comes down to the last)))) so it’s necessary to welcome it, and what now is blaming it for him ??? ))) Everyone has that point of view .... which then has it))))) And to argue with him, it’s very, very interesting.
    Greetings Professor))))
  • eplewke
    eplewke 9 October 2013 14: 48 New
    -1
    No. Ham only on these posts is rude. Because the posts are spotted - srach! laughing
  • Canep
    Canep 9 October 2013 14: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: il grand casino
    then there would be nowhere to arrange srach in comments

    This is to the point. laughing
  • rolik
    rolik 9 October 2013 17: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: eplewke
    I generally try to get around the Jews.

    It is much better if they will bypass you)))))
  • pensioner
    pensioner 9 October 2013 20: 01 New
    0
    Hello Professor!
    Quote: eplewke
    You can put your pictures in your ass, comrade professor ...

    Quote: Professor
    You are not my friend.
    What if he can? Here you need to think ... Maybe it's easier to recognize as a comrade?
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  • Volkolak
    Volkolak 9 October 2013 16: 18 New
    0
    Quote: eplewke
    You can put your pictures in your ass, comrade professor ...

    Yes, and their subversive activities are also there. Why have you minus a person? That everyone is working for Israel's Ministry of Absorption? Like this "Abwehr saboteur". I beg your pardon, I was mistaken, "TsAKHALovskiy saboteur", although this is the same thing.hi
  • Cesar_Xnumx
    Cesar_Xnumx 10 October 2013 07: 52 New
    0
    Americans like to call any tactical rifle with big names. An idiotic habit.
  • Canep
    Canep 9 October 2013 08: 35 New
    +4
    Good to you Professor. The 9th photo is super.
  • darksoul
    darksoul 9 October 2013 08: 45 New
    +4
    I would organize a similar section with the addition of interesting photographs of our soldiers and military equipment .... it’s beautiful of course like 22 planes on takeoff, but we should be proud of our army and not a friend in quotes, an enemy in fact
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 9 October 2013 08: 53 New
      +1
      Stas, but one thing! We would have to equip pind with ovs, he himself played in it, more convenient than German.
      1. Srgsoap
        Srgsoap 9 October 2013 09: 47 New
        0
        I agree completely, comfortable, ergonomic and very practical.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 9 October 2013 20: 12 New
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          Quote: SrgSoap
          I agree completely, comfortable, ergonomic and very practical.

          Not a military man. It’s just that I once taught physics at EVACU. I often communicate with my former cadets (who are now colonel, who are still major, and who are retired ...). Everyone says that the Amer form is good if you don’t go far. It is made to move on technology. What difference does it make in wearing uniforms on equipment and walking, I don’t know. Fair. But my former cadet, who was an art corrector in ... and showed off in Amer’s uniform, regretted that he was not in ours. I am not in terms of denigrating the American approach to equipping my soldiers. But something specific in the equipment is definitely present. What suits them does not always fit our army and vice versa. Sorry amateur ...
  • igor67
    igor67 9 October 2013 08: 56 New
    +1
    And I like the first photo, the test of the engine, I wonder how it is with noise isolation, we had a stationary test and that was a terrible rumble, but here on an aircraft carrier inside the metal case
    1. Professor
      9 October 2013 09: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: igor67
      And I like the first photo, the test of the engine, I wonder how it is with noise isolation, we had a stationary test and that was a terrible rumble, but here on an aircraft carrier inside the metal case

      It's not inside, see the rail railing of the deck?
      1. igor67
        igor67 9 October 2013 09: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: igor67
        And I like the first photo, the test of the engine, I wonder how it is with noise isolation, we had a stationary test and that was a terrible rumble, but here on an aircraft carrier inside the metal case

        It's not inside, see the rail railing of the deck?

        Yes, thanks Oleg, now I noticed, otherwise I considered the engine more
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 9 October 2013 20: 14 New
          +1
          Hello Igor "gassed" on the hangar deck.
          1. igor67
            igor67 9 October 2013 21: 41 New
            +2
            [quote = alex 241] Hello Igor "gassed" on the hangar deck. Hi Sanya! It turns out they have there and routine maintenance is done on the spot
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 October 2013 21: 47 New
              +1
              Well, given the duration of the voyage, there's nowhere to go.
              1. igor67
                igor67 9 October 2013 22: 00 New
                +2
                [quote = alex 241] Well, given the duration of the voyage, this is nowhere to go. How many staff there are there? The carrier itself plus the air group,
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 October 2013 22: 04 New
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                  Depending on the class of an aircraft carrier, it comes to 5 thousand people. Here, as they say, it is better to see once. Look at your leisure.
              2. igor67
                igor67 9 October 2013 22: 09 New
                +4
                I look at the engine almost like ours, I heard that they have a thermocouple in their shoulder blades,
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 October 2013 22: 16 New
                  +1
                  Igor, they worked with heat resistance, so the thermocouple is standing at the nozzle.
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 9 October 2013 22: 26 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Igor, they worked with heat resistance, so the thermocouple is standing at the nozzle.

                    I remember when assembling the box of motor units (KMA) on the NK 12, the gears had to be rolled for a long time, but they didn’t fit in one series, it’s hard to maintain the engines in flight condition, if it seems to be for cannibalism, and nifig, especially since they don’t let out already about Tu95, I remember there was a photo report of a lot of cars standing and almost everything is in non-flying condition. Interestingly there are no such problems
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 9 October 2013 22: 32 New
                      +2
                      Oh Igor, on American engines, I think the mystery behind seven seals.
                      1. igor67
                        igor67 9 October 2013 22: 39 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Oh Igor, on American engines, I think the mystery behind seven seals.

                        That is, the Chinese, not that Amer and ours can’t be torn off, except perhaps some .....
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 9 October 2013 22: 43 New
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                        The Chinese have a problem with the blades, there is no technology, hence the small motor resource. If they solve this problem, then everyone will smoke nervously.
                      3. igor67
                        igor67 9 October 2013 22: 48 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        The Chinese have a problem with the blades, there is no technology, hence the small motor resource. If they solve this problem, then everyone will smoke nervously.

                        Something I do not trust the Chinese, there are no three polar worlds, someone will have to make room, with their ambitions,
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 9 October 2013 22: 55 New
                        +1
                        China is a real force to be reckoned with.
                      5. igor67
                        igor67 9 October 2013 23: 00 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        China is a real force to be reckoned with.

                        I think if they start, they will most likely try it in Vietnam, they will remember for 79, and they’re unlikely to immediately go to nuclear India or Russia, Taiwan is still on the list, in short for its region,
                      6. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 9 October 2013 23: 08 New
                        +1
                        Igor, if they break, then in two weeks they will be near Chelyabinsk, we simply have nothing to stop them. And to shoot nuclear weapons on our territory ........... this is us, and they understand.
                      7. bask
                        bask 9 October 2013 23: 12 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        bullet on its territory with nuclear charges ...

                        Sledge them with darkness. And they can only be stopped by a total nuclear strike on their territory.
                        But they will not trample, the Americans will not give. And they understand the same thing. And to fight against syr ......
                      8. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 9 October 2013 23: 16 New
                        +1
                        Andrei, USA China is also like a bone in the throat.
                      9. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 9 October 2013 23: 38 New
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                      10. studentmati
                        studentmati 10 October 2013 00: 00 New
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                        It’s sad, but it’s a fact.
                        I recall the books of Nikolai Zadornov, the father of the now famous satirist Mikhail on the development of the Amur. The reading is exciting, exclusively in the book version. If I haven’t read it, Sasha, I advise you that it’s beautiful, elegant and in Russian !!! good The same beach is mentioned, mentioned in the plot!
                      11. Dejavu
                        Dejavu 10 October 2013 02: 37 New
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                        So what? - I myself am from Blagoveshchensk and listening to these wonderful aunts, I understand that they are WRONG. In Blagoveshchensk, the Chinese are 0.5%, mainly tourist groups in the area of ​​the city center. Where they saw a solid Chinese contingent here is not clear. I see Chinese only in shopping centers and next to the museum. The Chinese, who live on our side on an ongoing basis, cried. Such alarmists are exorbitant.

                        Quotas for workers from China are reduced to a minimum. Hiring Chinese legally here is unrealistic! Illegals are caught only the noise is worth it, I know this firsthand.

                        As for the construction on the waterfront. A lot of money was allocated from the federal budget for the project to strengthen the city's embankment, which was also defended by the former mayor. The expediency of this construction has been shown by the current flood. If it weren’t for this embankment, the floor of the city would already be floating.

                        Regarding - who is building it, "probably the Chinese, Chinese technology, after all." The logic is iron, of course, but wrong. Builds by the word Armenian, which is sadder for me. There will be an elite residential complex on the embankment, plus little things. Word of mouth. Women in one word, what to take from them.
  • Know-nothing
    Know-nothing 9 October 2013 10: 39 New
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    It seems they are being tested at the stern.
  • alone
    alone 9 October 2013 11: 13 New
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    A full-scale QF-16 air target from the 82nd air target squadron flies over the Gulf of Mexico during its first unmanned flight at Tyndall, Florida, on September 19, 2013. The 82nd uses extremely full-scale aerial targets. According to the operators, the QF-16 will provide an idea of ​​the real threats of fourth-generation fighters for the purpose of testing and training.


    they already turn their combat fighters into drones. They work famously however. There’s nothing to complain about!
    1. Rider
      Rider 9 October 2013 11: 29 New
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      Quote: lonely
      they already turn their combat fighters into drones


      Well this is not surprising, unmanned aircraft controlled by radio from the ground have been known since the 80s of the last century.
      (some claim that such aircraft rammed the WTC towers)
      Naturally, their effectiveness is many times worse than that of manned aircraft.
      therefore, their niche is bombing attacks against an enemy that does NOT have air defense means, or such targets.
      1. Professor
        9 October 2013 12: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Rider
        Well this is not surprising, unmanned aircraft controlled by radio from the ground have been known since the 80s of the last century.

        This is more about a robot, not a remotely controlled model. Where do you see a stable platform with optics in the photo?

        Quote: Rider
        (some claim that such aircraft rammed the WTC towers)

        And some that were abducted by aliens.

        Quote: Rider
        Naturally, their effectiveness is many times worse than that of manned aircraft.

        Not natural and not lower. Such a kamikaze bomber at a criminally low altitude is capable of delivering 10 tons of precision munitions per thousand kilometers. Moreover, the decision-makers hand does not flinch.

        Quote: Rider
        therefore, their niche is bombing attacks against an enemy that does NOT have air defense means, or such targets.

        Air defense means, no matter how super-duper they were, have not saved anyone yet. A dozen of these drones will break through any air defense, even at the cost of their "life". Arm them with Spice-250 bombs and hello air defense.

        1. PLO
          PLO 9 October 2013 13: 01 New
          +1

          Air defense means, no matter how super-duper they were, have not saved anyone yet. A dozen of these drones will break through any air defense, even at the cost of their "life". Arm them with Spice-250 bombs and hello air defense.

          fairy tales.
          as usual, reality is much more prosaic.

          The spice-250 is a planning air bomb, from which both advantages and disadvantages emerge.
          low subsonic speed, and most importantly, to send them to a maximum distance, the carrier must have a maximum height, and 100km for air defense systems is now a small distance, i.e. it's almost guaranteed destruction of media

          and even the USA I’m afraid I won’t be able to spend drones (not to mention manned fighters) in dozens in one attack
          afford not to mention the rest of the country
          1. Know-nothing
            Know-nothing 9 October 2013 13: 15 New
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            Quote: olp
            100km for air defense systems now a small distance

            This is if the target is type B-52. And for a stealth drone, but with the use of electronic warfare, the range will drop significantly.

            Plus there is such a thing as MALD
            1. PLO
              PLO 9 October 2013 13: 22 New
              +1
              This is if the target is type B-52. And for a stealth drone, but with the use of electronic warfare, the range will drop significantly.

              if the target is a type B-52, then the S-300/400 will see it at 500-600km
              range 48N6DM 250km

              nowhere to fall
              100km, I indicated the distance where the carriers are guaranteed to be above the horizontal horizon and they can’t get anywhere from supersonic missiles even if they manage to drop all the bombs
              1. Professor
                9 October 2013 13: 48 New
                +2
                Quote: olp
                100km, I indicated the distance where the carriers are guaranteed to be above the horizontal horizon and they can’t get anywhere from supersonic missiles even if they manage to drop all the bombs

                This is if the carriers will go at maximum heights, but if they are criminally small, then the air defense has very few chances.
                1. PLO
                  PLO 9 October 2013 14: 05 New
                  +1
                  This is if the carriers will go at maximum heights, but if they are criminally small, then the air defense has very few chances.

                  exactly
                  the problem is that from criminally low altitudes planning ABs for 100km do not send
                  1. Professor
                    9 October 2013 14: 11 New
                    +5
                    Quote: olp
                    exactly
                    the problem is that from criminally low altitudes planning ABs for 100km do not send

                    It is not a matter of planning bombs (for them you can make a slide), it is important that they have cheap mass carriers. This is a historic moment. Remember it.
                    1. Rider
                      Rider 9 October 2013 14: 19 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      It’s important that they got cheap mass media.

                      Well, what are they cheap for?
                      the plane is the same.
                      laughing

                      and don’t tell me that he’s soaring in his cockpit?
                    2. PLO
                      PLO 9 October 2013 14: 29 New
                      +1
                      It's not about planning bombs (you can make a slide for them),

                      slide in 15km .. with 4 tons on the suspension .. yeah, for the f-16 all the time to spit.

                      It’s important that they got cheap mass media. This is a historic moment. Remember it.

                      QF-16 is very far from cheap and mass carrier
                      even the US will not be able to maintain two air armies
                      one with a kind of "cheap and universal" F-35 so as not to lose in combat effectiveness and the second with a kind of "cheap" QF-16, which requires no less constant maintenance
                      1. Professor
                        9 October 2013 14: 35 New
                        +3
                        Quote: olp
                        QF-16 is very far from cheap and mass carrier

                        One step. They used 6000 tomahawks, but here we are talking about a decommissioned free airplane with an upgrade whale.
                      2. PLO
                        PLO 9 October 2013 15: 08 New
                        +1
                        One step. They used 6000 tomahawks, but here we are talking about a decommissioned free airplane with an upgrade whale.

                        this is if you take an old plane with a resource near the end for use in exercises where its fate will be obvious

                        it’s another thing to use it for such purposes when the aircraft must be constantly maintained in a state of airworthiness and the oprethors of these aircraft must constantly train

                        in this case, the cost of its operation will not differ much


                        They used 6000 tomahawks

                        I perfectly remember the information that even for the USA, these 6000 tomahawks were expensive
                      3. Professor
                        9 October 2013 15: 19 New
                        +2
                        Let's look at both options:
                        1. Spiasny with a spent resource and one-way fuel supply plus "for unforeseen expenses". A penny cost, sorry cents. I think it's not worth continuing ...
                        2. Reusable of debited or debited. Technical base, spare parts, service experience more than enough. The cost of an hour of flight is one of the cheapest in the US Air Force and in the world. It is not comparable with the F-22, B-52, etc. And most importantly, there is no dear pilot and no pension for his widow and orphans. And these are millions of dollars.

                        Quote: olp
                        I perfectly remember the information that even for the USA, these 6000 tomahawks were expensive

                        The cost of one such CD is from $ 500000 to 1.5 lemons. The weight of the warhead is simply mixed in comparison with the combat load of the F-16. So consider it.
                      4. Rider
                        Rider 9 October 2013 15: 30 New
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Let's look at both options:

                        let’s go.

                        1 - one-time, i.e. - a bomb. but you know, even ordinary bombs and missiles have an expiration date, and an entire aircraft will have it DIFFERENT.
                        So it turns out that having received such a device, it must be used as quickly as possible, otherwise the costs of maintenance and conservation will increase.

                        option 2, practically means that the aircraft is in storage with the production of all maintenance and other services, even if you take into account that the cost of all this is as you said, it's still NOT a penny (and not even a cent)

                        but regarding the combat load of a DISPOSABLE aircraft projectile, this is absolutely true.

                        it remains only to prove its effectiveness in overcoming air defense systems.
                      5. Professor
                        9 October 2013 15: 35 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Rider
                        So it turns out that having received such a device, it must be used as quickly as possible, otherwise the costs of maintenance and conservation will increase.

                        No. This is not a horse, there is no need to feed every day. Maintenance of such a penny.

                        Quote: Rider
                        it's still NOT a penny (and not even a cent)

                        And this is a penny. F-16 is known as a cheap aircraft to maintain (MiG-29, for example, as expensive). But still, the plane has already been produced and is waiting for its second birth.

                        Quote: Rider
                        it remains only to prove its effectiveness in overcoming air defense systems.

                        It remains only to create these systems. Neither Iran nor Syria has them, and America is not going to attack Russia yet. request
                      6. Rider
                        Rider 9 October 2013 15: 56 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Professor
                        No. This is not a horse, there is no need to feed every day. Maintenance of such a penny.

                        what about tsiferok?
                        Quote: Professor
                        But still, the plane has already been produced and is waiting for its second birth.

                        what is produced is a fact, as is the fact that investments will be required to modernize and extend resources.
                        it is quite possible that they will be less than the construction of special UAVs, or the production of axes, but not a "penny" for sure.
                        and the US is in crisis.
                        that's why I don't think we'll see "continuation of the banquet"
                        Quote: Professor
                        Neither Iran nor Syria has them, and America is not going to attack Russia yet.

                        but remember my words aboutwhich brings us back to the term "disposable aircraft / projectile, for countries that DO NOT have serious air defense systems"
                        laughing

                        Well, you mentioned the funds spent on the payment of "funeral" money to the US military, I hasten to reassure you - they were canceled.
                        recently slipped infa that the Pentagon temporarily suspended payments of these amounts due to lack of money.

                        oh something is amiss in the Danish kingdom.
                        I feel like not seeing us / him / you given a child prodigy.
                        for worse, fortunately, how to know.
                      7. Professor
                        9 October 2013 16: 05 New
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                        Quote: Rider
                        what about tsiferok?

                        Not at hand. (In one of my articles he indicated).

                        Quote: Rider
                        but not a "penny" for sure.
                        and the US is in crisis.

                        Wrote about the maintenance levels? Crisis is the problem of the rich. We would have their crisis.

                        Quote: Rider
                        Well, you mentioned the funds spent on the payment of "funeral" money to the US military, I hasten to reassure you - they were canceled.
                        infa recently slipped that the Pentagon temporarily suspended payments of these amounts, due to lack of money.

                        This is due to paralysis of power. In the coming days, they will destroy it and pay everything to everyone. Money allocated ...

                        Quote: Rider
                        I feel like not seeing us / him / you given a child prodigy.

                        hope wink
                      8. Rider
                        Rider 9 October 2013 16: 20 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Not at hand. (In one of my articles he indicated).

                        Wrote about the maintenance levels?


                        it would be nice to bring.
                        Quote: Professor
                        This is due to paralysis of power. In the coming days, they will destroy it and pay everything to everyone. Money allocated ...

                        I really hope so.
                        however, this tramp has been lasting for more than a week.
                        and if we take into account the turn of cities preparing for default, then attempts to expose their situation as"The crisis is the problem of the rich." look unconvincing.
                        Quote: Professor
                        hope

                        like you to the opposite.
                        boom oversee whose hopes are more reliable.
                      9. Professor
                        9 October 2013 20: 42 New
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                        Quote: Rider
                        it would be nice to bring

                        Ask the trolls from my blacklist that I don’t see here, but as I see from your comments they continue to spoil the air. They are specialists in equipment.

                        Quote: Rider
                        however, this tramp has been lasting for more than a week.
                        and if we take into account the queue of cities preparing for default, then attempts to present their situation as "The crisis is the problem of the rich." look unconvincing.

                        It cannot last indefinitely. Another 2 weeks and give birth. With all their "crisis", how much real money is allocated for the army? And in the former USSR? so where is the crisis? wink
                      10. Rider
                        Rider 9 October 2013 21: 23 New
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Ask the trolls from my blacklist

                        I’m not talking to them now, why are you nervous?
                        Quote: Professor
                        Infinitely, it cannot last. Another 2 weeks and will be born.

                        here we are, and then we can talk about new cuts in the pentagon budget.

                        laughing
                      11. Professor
                        9 October 2013 21: 29 New
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                        Quote: Rider
                        I’m not talking to them now, why are you nervous?

                        Why am I nervous? I’m paid for the presence here. wink

                        Quote: Rider
                        come on you prof, well then I can (in my ear) I won’t tell anyone.


                        Quote: Rider
                        Quote: Rider
                        I quite believe.


                        So we talked. I have the honor hi
                      12. Rider
                        Rider 9 October 2013 21: 35 New
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Why am I nervous? I’m paid for the presence here. wink

                        Quote: Rider
                        come on you prof, well then I can (in my ear) I won’t tell anyone

                        I already understood prof, it’s not necessary to admit a second time
                        Quote: Professor
                        I have the honor

                        it’s good when you have a person, worse when vice versa.


                        do not be offended by prof, today I am in high spirits, and humor prolongs life.
                        (as Baron Munchausen said, he prolongs WHO is laughing, but he is ABOVE WHO laugh, he shortens it)

                        wassat
  • rolik
    rolik 9 October 2013 17: 51 New
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    Quote: Professor
    . They used 6000 tomahawks

    And where such a quantity was applied at a time ???? if not military secret of course)))
  • rolik
    rolik 9 October 2013 18: 24 New
    +1
    I will continue the tirade))))
    As the distinguished Professor says, 6000 Tomahawks have been applied. this is a small inaccuracy. THERE WAS ALL PRODUCED 6000 UNITS FOR THE YEARS OF THEIR RELEASE)))) And they began to be produced, in my opinion in 1983.
    And now let's estimate the cost of launching one Tomahawk equal to mid-2011 1.5 million dollars, with the cost of launching an anti-aircraft missile ..... well, for example, the same Shell ???? although, it can be compared with Buk M2U, and with Torus M2
    So, I think that mattresses will have faster tomahawks than we have anti-aircraft missiles))))
  • Professor
    9 October 2013 20: 36 New
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    Quote: rolik
    As the respected Professor says, 6000 Tomahawks have been applied. this is a small inaccuracy. THERE WAS ALL PRODUCED 6000 UNITS FOR THE YEARS OF THEIR RELEASE)))) And they began to be produced, in my opinion in 1983.

    Amendment adopted. 2500 of the 6000 missiles launched were launched.

    Quote: rolik
    And now let's estimate the cost of launching one Tomahawk equal to mid-2011 1.5 million dollars, with the cost of launching an anti-aircraft missile ..... well, for example, the same Shell ???? although, it can be compared with Buk M2U, and with Torus M2

    When you count, do not forget to multiply by the probability of the downing of the Kyrgyz Republic and the experience of the combat use of the Shell.
  • rolik
    rolik 10 October 2013 11: 22 New
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    Quote: Professor
    the likelihood of downing the Kyrgyz Republic and the experience of the combat use of the Shell

    And I don’t especially cling to the Shell)))) To be honest, I like Buk and Tor better. TOR M2 efficiency with 9M338 missile launchers with GOS is about 0,9–0,95, without GOS 0.7-0,75))) The Buk-M2 air defense system with multi-channel RPN provides 8–12 shelling over the passage of the zone, and with two RPN (anti-aircraft missile battery) 16-20 cruise missiles (CR). At the same time, the probability of defeating the missile system of one SAM in the Buk-M2 system is higher, and the average missile consumption per one shot down target is less than that of the S-300P (S-400) air defense system. In addition, the 9M317 SAM is almost half the price of the main missile of these air defense systems. The likelihood of a tactical aircraft and helicopter crash is 0,9–0,95;
    - tactical ballistic missiles - 0,6–0,7;
    - cruise missiles - 0,7–0,8;
    - hovering helicopters - 0,3-0,4.
    By the way, a well-known fact. The “grandfather” of Buk-M2 air defense systems — the Kvadrat air defense system — which included a 3M9 missile with a semi-active CSG similar to that used in Buk-M2 air defense systems, but in a significantly simplified version, was also widely used in hostilities in foreign countries. During the October 1973 Arab-Israeli war, the Kvadrat air defense system (export name of the Kub air defense system) destroyed 68% of Israeli aircraft (mainly Phantom and Mirage aircraft) with an average missile consumption of 1,2–1,6 , XNUMX for one downed target
  • Professor
    10 October 2013 11: 40 New
    +1
    To your numbers. The probability of hitting cruise missiles is 0,7–0,8 at the range without active opposition. Let's leave it that way. In total, for a "guaranteed" interception of what the F-16 drone carries, you need at least 16x2 missiles or 8! self-propelled PU. And this is subject to the absence of electronic warfare. Five (five) drones and you already need 40 (forty) Buk-M2. We will keep silent about the experience of combat use against small-sized targets such as gliding bombs and missiles due to its absence. By the above simple calculations, we come to the conclusion that the drone based on the F-16 poses a serious potential threat.

    It is simply not correct to compare the combat effectiveness of the 70s air defense systems against fighter bombers and Bukovs against the Kyrgyz Republic.
  • Professor
    9 October 2013 13: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: olp
    The spice-250 is a planning air bomb, from which both advantages and disadvantages emerge.
    low subsonic speed, and most importantly, to send them to a maximum distance, the carrier must have a maximum height, and 100km for air defense systems is now a small distance, i.e. it's almost guaranteed destruction of media

    That's right, only after they are dropped and false targets and baits are dropped, expensive surface-to-air missiles that are not infinite will be spent on intercepting them. One F-16 carries 16 such bombs. Let there be only 10 of them, plus missiles against the radar, plus a couple of false targets, stupidly score any amount of air defense. Regarding price: it is not that expensive to take into account the number of old aircraft stored in the USA.

    Quote: olp
    and even the USA I’m afraid I won’t be able to spend drones (not to mention manned fighters) in dozens in one attack
    afford not to mention the rest of the country

    America will spend kamikaze drones on the left and on the right without thinking.
    1. PLO
      PLO 9 October 2013 14: 17 New
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      That's right, only after they are dropped and false targets and baits are dropped, expensive surface-to-air missiles that are not infinite will be spent on intercepting them.

      nobody will spend expensive endless missiles of long-range air defense systems on intercepting the bombs themselves, it’s expensive, stupid and inefficient

      the carriers themselves will go astray
      and undoubtedly it is even possible that some ABs will reach the goal only if they can complete the task?
      What is the point of launching these Spice-250 bombs from a distance of 100km?

      1) destroy the air defense systems themselves?
      not work
      air defense systems can go to other positions, they can also be masked
      in this case, the defeat of the air defense system will be an accident and not a regularity
      at the same time, many expensive carriers will be guaranteed to be destroyed in the raid

      2) carpet bombing with similar bombs is an oxymoron
      1. Professor
        9 October 2013 14: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: olp
        nobody will spend expensive endless missiles of long-range air defense systems on intercepting the bombs themselves, it’s expensive, stupid and inefficient

        You will not intercept them; they will destroy you.

        Quote: olp
        air defense systems can go to other positions, they can also be masked

        They won’t leave, they just won’t have time. Regarding the disguise, review the video again. And even if they disguise themselves and even hide in bunkers, bombs will destroy strategic objects.

        Quote: olp
        at the same time, many expensive carriers will be guaranteed to be destroyed in the raid

        These carriers are cheap and one-off. One S-300 rocket costs more than a million dollars. On such a carrier, they need 10-16.

        Quote: olp
        carpet bombing with similar bombs is an oxymoron

        I didn’t observe carpet bombing after the Russian in Georgia, and even before that I had little involvement. Smart bombs rule.
        1. PLO
          PLO 9 October 2013 14: 51 New
          +4
          You will not intercept them; they will destroy you.

          me who is this?
          An airborne radar operator that may generally be out of range?

          the driver of the SPU SAM with missiles with a range of 250 km or with the future 400 km (against drones and it will come down)?

          But will he be able to single out correctly masked equipment among the targets?




          or not?



          They won’t leave, they just won’t have time. Regarding the disguise, review the video again. And even if they disguise themselves and even hide in bunkers, bombs will destroy strategic objects.

          in case strategic objects of a strong country are destroyed, besides the air defense system, there will be many interesting things

          if we are talking about something like Syria / Iran, then the essence of these air defense systems is not to guarantee the destruction of all US air forces, but to make losses unacceptable to them

          and the destruction of strategic targets by 250kg bombs from a distance of 100km looks funny

          These carriers are cheap and one-off. One S-300 rocket costs more than a million dollars. On such a carrier, they need 10-16.

          again: the QF-16 is far from cheap and not one-time, the plane remained the same.

          about 10-16 missiles for one QF-16 is a good joke.
          as a rule, 2 missiles are launched during exercises, circumstances may be different, but 10-16 there aren’t close
          1. Professor
            9 October 2013 15: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: olp
            me who is this?

            You are a guarded facility.

            Quote: olp
            But will he be able to single out correctly masked equipment among the targets?

            And you show it in the thermal spectrum and immediately select it. And unmistakably. At the same time, show an inflatable airfield and an inflatable bridge with an inflatable nuclear power plant.

            Quote: olp
            and make losses unacceptable to them

            100% to the point. Losing 30 pilots is not acceptable, and 30 unmanned F-16s are acceptable.

            Quote: olp
            and the destruction of strategic targets by 250kg bombs from a distance of 100km looks funny

            Have you seen what funnel in the city makes a bomb of this caliber? I have seen. The bridge blows in an instant.

            Quote: olp
            again: the QF-16 is far from cheap and not one-time, the plane remained the same.

            This plane is free as decommissioned. The conversion kit is cheap. There, all the salt in the software, but it is getting cheaper from plane to plane.

            Quote: olp
            about 10-16 missiles for one QF-16 is a good joke.

            One F-16 carries 16 gliding bombs. If you are not going to intercept them then there is no conversation, and if all the same you do not need them, then to intercept them you need more than 16 SAMs.
  • Rider
    Rider 9 October 2013 14: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    This is more about a robot than a remotely controlled model.

    which means the level of reaction to a changed situation is even lower than that of an UAV under the control of an operator.
    Quote: Professor
    And some that were abducted by aliens.

    I didn’t think you believe in the official version 9/11, but ...
    Quote: Professor
    Such a kamikaze bomber at a criminally low altitude is capable of delivering 10 tons of high-precision ammunition

    quite possibly, I somehow did not take this "option" into account.
    but this practically means that he will not return back, however, for the purpose of breaking through air defense, he is suitable.
    Quote: Professor
    Air defense systems no matter what super-duper they were, they still have not saved anyone.

    but this is very, very controversial.
    bomb countries like Afghanistan and Lebanon, it’s not the same as trying to bomb countries with air defense
    1. Professor
      9 October 2013 14: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Rider
      which means the level of reaction to a changed situation is even lower than that of an UAV under the control of an operator.

      The task of the carrier is to deliver smart bombs to the target. These bombs are able to respond to changing conditions. Or do you think that, for example, Iranian nuclear facilities will quickly change their location? wink

      Quote: Rider
      I didn’t think you believe in the official version 9/11, but ...

      I don’t believe in conspiracy theory

      Quote: Rider
      but this practically means that he will not return back, however, for the purpose of breaking through air defense, he is suitable.

      will not come back and do not. They have such a shaft.

      Quote: Rider
      but this is very, very controversial.

      This is undeniable. Air defense is DEFENSE and it is not capable of defeating by definition.
      1. Rider
        Rider 9 October 2013 14: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Or do you think that, for example, Iranian nuclear facilities will quickly change their location?

        which brings us back to the term - "plane-bomb / projectile" that is, disposable.
        Quote: Professor
        will not come back and do not. They have such a shaft.

        It would be nice to know what condition they are in.
        I won’t say anything for aircraft, but as a machine operator, I responsibly declare that not everything that has been removed from storage is suitable for work. I think that in aviation the conditions are even harsher.

        again, funds are needed to convert aircraft into drones, but the Pentagon doesn’t have them, however, sequestration.

        but in one you are right, certainly this is another step towards the creation of military equipment that can be used with minimal human involvement.
        Quote: Professor
        Air defense is DEFENSE and it is not capable of defeating by definition.

        however, it can discourage ATTACK.
        as you remember, too many make a fuss over the supply of C 300 to Iran and Syria.
        if they are NOT a problem for the aviation of our "partners" then why kipish?
        1. Professor
          9 October 2013 14: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Rider
          which brings us back to the term - "plane-bomb / projectile" that is, disposable.

          For a breakthrough, the super-duper of an as yet non-existing air defense is one-time. And so reusable.

          Quote: Rider
          It would be nice to know what condition they are in.

          Most modern type F-16 in flight condition. Americans periodically extract and sell them to third world countries.

          Quote: Rider
          again, funds are needed to convert aircraft into drones, but the Pentagon doesn’t have them, however, sequestration.

          Oh yeah. We, you and Russia would have their problems with financing the Pentagon.

          Quote: Rider
          however, it can discourage ATTACK.
          as you remember, too many make a fuss over the supply of C 300 to Iran and Syria.
          if they are NOT a problem for the aviation of our "partners" then why kipish?

          Not capable. The question of price always arises. That's why there was a boil. No one wants to see their pilots in a loop on a square in Tehran. However, the described aircraft solve this problem. How many S-300 divisions are needed to guarantee the protection of the Bushehr nuclear power plant when attacking with only 10 such drones? Count and cry?
          1. Rider
            Rider 9 October 2013 15: 13 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            For a breakthrough, the super-duper of an as yet non-existing air defense is one-time. And so reusable.

            Well, about the "nonexistent" is you got excited.
            how many radars have recently been put into operation, and the new C 300/400 divisions are on duty.
            well, about "reusability" and how many times can it be used decommissioned aircraft.
            after all, according to this criterion, you derived the formula "deshovy"
            Quote: Professor
            Americans periodically extract and sell them to third world countries.


            quite a while ago nothing has been heard about this, when and to whom did they last get it?
            in addition, a small batch (to the extreme number of 50 pieces) is not the entire fleet of machines to be decommissioned (if I am not mistaken, more than 1500 f-15/16/18 until the end of the year 20)
            well, about "we would have their problems"
            nafih nafih, sequestration of the budget and cuts in defense programs, I do not wish even you.
            in the spring of 17 squadrons they put in a joke, I do not think that since then the situation has changed for the better.
            Quote: Professor
            That's why there was a boil. No one wants to see their pilots in a loop on a square in Tehran.

            what is it about, this is just the case when the presence of air defense - matters.
            but about the destruction of STATIC objects, here you are right. Nuclear power plants and (say) the Kremlin will not be able to escape anywhere.
            but the question always arises of a retaliatory strike.
            which brings us back to the term "disposable aircraft / projectile, for countries that DO NOT have serious air defense systems"

            By the way, prof, in your video with the drone kuf 16, and what is there soaring in the cockpit?
            1. Professor
              9 October 2013 15: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: Rider
              how many radars have recently been put into operation, and the new C 300/400 divisions are on duty.

              Let's not count how many divisions and how many missiles in each, we’ll have to sob.
              The plane was decommissioned, but when necessary they fly after sale to other countries for years.

              You look at their technical condition in storage and look at the military budget after the cut. It's called the rich cry too. wink

              Quote: Rider
              but there is always the question of retaliation

              A retaliatory strike is possible only by nuclear forces, and not everyone has them.

              Quote: Rider
              By the way, prof, in your video with the drone kuf 16, and what is there soaring in the cockpit?

              cab cooling
              1. Rider
                Rider 9 October 2013 15: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Let's not count how many divisions and how many missiles in each, we’ll have to sob.

                why count?
                The fact is that they build and introduce.
                Well, of course, not the GLOBAL air defense system as in the case of the Union, but also not fiction like 10 years ago.
                Quote: Professor
                You look at their technical condition in storage and look at the military budget after the cut. It's called the rich cry too.

                I will tell you so, after removal from conservation ANY technique requires THAT.
                after it begins the period of operation, in which it turns out that many mechanisms require repair, or even replacement.
                I do not think that in aviation the situation is different.
                if for a "disposable" aircraft, minor defects and malfunctions are not critical, then for further "reusable" use, one has to do almost overhaul.
                this is exactly what the U.S. Air Force is doing when selling (giving) old planes to someone.
                therefore, to say that after decommissioning or storage the aircraft does not require expenses (or requires - a minuscule) is a misconception.
                Quote: Professor
                cab cooling

                thanks.

                probably this is due to electronics, which requires a "room" temperature.

                I'll know.
                1. Professor
                  9 October 2013 16: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rider
                  why count?
                  The fact is that they build and introduce.

                  It's like a dead poultice. Their number is not able to reflect the massive and not very massive air strike.

                  Quote: Rider
                  "reusable" use, you almost have to do overhaul.

                  For the F-16, there are 4 levels of maintenance in the troops. To enter the built-in canned devices, only the 1st and sometimes 2nd level is enough.

                  Quote: Rider
                  therefore, to say that after decommissioning or storage the aircraft does not require expenses (or requires - a minuscule) is a misconception.

                  The 1st and 2nd level of service is carried out by technicians directly in the field (in Israel, conscripts in general). It’s worth a penny.

                  Quote: Rider
                  probably this is due to electronics, which requires a "room" temperature.

                  This is due to the difference in temperature overboard and inside. Hint flying in Florida ...
                2. Rider
                  Rider 9 October 2013 16: 30 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  It's like a dead poultice. Their number is not able to reflect the massive and not very massive air strike.

                  you are a strange person, prof. you are confident that the OPERATING AIR DEFENSE of Russia is full of holes, and absolutely do not call into question the prodigy that is intended as a TARGET.
                  and nobody even declared its impact properties.

                  do not you think that this is a discord?
                  Quote: Professor
                  For the F-16, there are 4 levels of maintenance in the troops. To enter the built-in canned devices, only the 1st and sometimes 2nd level is enough.

                  Well, give the figures for the cost of these events.

                  moreover, they depend on the operational life and tasks for each aircraft.
                  Quote: Professor
                  It’s worth a penny.

                  I would like in numbers.
                3. Professor
                  9 October 2013 20: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rider
                  you are a strange person, prof. you are confident that the OPERATING AIR DEFENSE of Russia is full of holes, and absolutely do not call into question the prodigy that is intended as a TARGET.

                  I am not talking about this target, but about a massive bourgeois blow by the conventional means available to them.

                  Quote: Rider
                  Well, give the figures for the cost of these events.

                  I'm a liar and I'm sitting here for money. So ask the local "experts" and "patriots". wassat

                  Quote: Rider
                  I would like in numbers

                  They have numbers, they all know. hi
                4. Rider
                  Rider 9 October 2013 21: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  I am not talking about this target, but about a massive bourgeois blow by the conventional means available to them.

                  to this MASSED blow, there is a new doctrine of the use of the armed forces of Russia.

                  and it is not necessary to say that "you see, except for nuclear weapons, there is nothing to answer"
                  I don’t think that there is such an air defense that is GUARANTEED (at least with a 80% probability) to reflect the MASSED first strike,
                  I think even your dome will not cope.
                  Quote: Professor
                  I'm a liar and I'm sitting here for money

                  well that's nice why hide laughing
                  Quote: Professor
                  They have numbers, they all know.
                  but there are no digits
                  pichalka.
  • Suvorov000
    Suvorov000 9 October 2013 11: 15 New
    +3
    6 photos show well the camouflage capabilities of the Americans' uniforms, here you can still get this only for your own money and even then you can't wear it everywhere, the fathers of the commanders begin to suffer from insanity: "everything should be uniformly ugly", sorry for the bird, and the photos are not bad )))
    1. avg
      avg 9 October 2013 15: 48 New
      0
      In general, the form is issued in relation to the theater. Agree that a soldier of the Central District in desert camouflage, or a company dressed like that, will be very stupid.
      1. Suvorov000
        Suvorov000 10 October 2013 12: 34 New
        0
        that is why the guys in the Asian region look very stupid, running in the usual form, bleaching their bleach themselves with bleach. And the form with respect to the theater of war is not issued, and what you have is what you wear, that is, what you got or what you buy for your money
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 9 October 2013 12: 40 New
    +1
    M1A1? Hmm, not bad that they are all bad laughing
    1. Know-nothing
      Know-nothing 9 October 2013 12: 47 New
      +1
      These are marines.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 October 2013 12: 42 New
    +3
    The professor lights up again !!! photo class of course .. Just this is just a photo .. We look at it, we don’t relax men and do not succumb to provocations .. bully
  • phantom359
    phantom359 9 October 2013 12: 58 New
    +4
    Good camouflage DPM. Against the background of mountains, the silhouette blurs well.
  • Bradley
    Bradley 9 October 2013 13: 13 New
    +1
    Great photos, nothing to say. Actually, like all articles of the author.

    olp, you forget about the radio horizon. So you can get close to the air defense for several tens of kilometers and drop the "gifts" that also fly low. Am I right, Professor?
    1. Professor
      9 October 2013 13: 51 New
      +4
      Could be so. Another point is important here. If the KR carries a bunk of hundreds of kg of TNT, then this drone is almost a dozen tons. So estimate what damage it can cause.
  • svp67
    svp67 9 October 2013 13: 17 New
    +4
    Russian tank T80. Dust
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 October 2013 13: 22 New
      +1
      Russian tank T80. On the edge of the earth ...
  • svp67
    svp67 9 October 2013 13: 18 New
    +2
    Russian tank T80. Dust and dirt ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 October 2013 13: 20 New
      +2
      Russian tank T80. Dust and Beauty ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 9 October 2013 13: 22 New
      +9
      Russian tank T80. Meets the dawn ....
      1. Rider
        Rider 9 October 2013 14: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Russian tank T80. Meets the dawn ....


        one of the best tank photos I've seen.
        definitely you +

        why don't you create an article like this?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 October 2013 13: 21 New
    +2
    Here is a joke (I laid it out yesterday) I think again in the topic .. Old Soviet (we retold it to each other in childhood ..)

    Reagan fly with Brezhnev in an airplane for talks in Moscow.
    Reagan: So I look at the porthole in your USSR alone combines in the fields! And we have aircraft carriers rocket tanks base around .. Why can you scare us?
    Here the bunker of the combine opens and the rocket knocks the plane ..))))
    Reagan fly with Brezhnev parachuting Reagan in shock ..
    Leonid Ilyich, how did you think of this .. harvesters (combat) !!!
    Brezhnev: Maybe you should also show the K-700 vertical take-off tractor!

    The joke is naive and yet here the essence of Russia is shown .. We are peaceful, but if anything, the harvesters will start to shoot.! We have a lot of kulibins and developments, too (in the 90s, not everyone managed to steal and sell ..)))) These are the things. bully
    1. phantom359
      phantom359 9 October 2013 14: 27 New
      +1
      Trochs are not those things. It is advisable to reinforce something substantial other than combines.
  • avg
    avg 9 October 2013 15: 23 New
    +2
    Eh, it would be nice to have such stubborn, and most importantly knowledgeable "professors", but in defense ministers to an adversary.
    It would be possible to act exactly according to Trotsky "No war, no peace. Disband the army" (Well, maybe at least reduce the air defense with the Air Force) wink
  • lexe
    lexe 9 October 2013 15: 38 New
    -3
    Photo No. 8. Rise of freedom
    Now it’s clear on what our former emigrants will fly to us. When they will begin their camel movement laughing
    Take off!
    1. lexe
      lexe 9 October 2013 21: 30 New
      0
      Apparently someone is against the return of the Russians to their historical homeland? Are there any disadvantages?
      It’s clear that if we have the same chaos, then it makes no sense ...
      1. Rider
        Rider 9 October 2013 21: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Lexi
        Apparently someone is against the return of the Russians to their historical homeland? Are there any disadvantages?


        and think, why do we roll the field?
        first left "this country", but how did you smell of fried - Homeland, accept lost sons?

        Russia will certainly accept them, only the sediment will remain.
        1. lexe
          lexe 9 October 2013 22: 29 New
          0
          I remember everyone who was captured by the Germans, including due to various injuries, criminal negligence of the leadership, etc. etc. the court was waiting. In the Russian Empire, the practice was somewhat different. And what is surprising in the Republic of Ingushetia was not a mass of prisoners.
          Let me just remind you that the collapse of the USSR was an explosion and this explosion "concussed" very many.
          But what about the children of these people who read this site as well? But there were many waves of emigration.
          And about the fields ... they will be taken so soon.
          And for me, they’ll return on airplanes created including for the 1st strike on Russia ... very symbolically.
          I would like to receive satisfaction for the "defeat" in the Cold War, and this picture would suit me.
          It’s clear that without comfort ... laughing
          I remembered a film with Bodrov that. I don’t put it. I understand that there is a lot of anger from our low salary (including mine) laughing
          1. Rider
            Rider 9 October 2013 23: 46 New
            -1
            Quote: Lexi
            I remember everyone who was captured by the Germans, including due to various injuries, criminal negligence of the leadership, etc. etc. waiting for trial

            not a court, but a hate speech.
            and arrested about 4% - traitors, Vlasovites, etc.

            or are you indignant at the fact that investigative measures were applied to a soldier who was captured?
            Quote: Lexi
            And what is surprising in the Republic of Ingushetia was not a mass of prisoners.

            Who told you that?
            google WW1, and the fact that "earlier and not in such quantities" and wars were smaller before.
            Quote: Lexi
            I don’t put it to you I understand that there is a lot of anger from our low salary (including mine)

            What are you talking about?
            did you spit some fields there, some concussions and satisfaction, or is it all not for me?

            more specifically pliiiz, without allegories.
            1. lexe
              lexe 10 October 2013 14: 22 New
              0
              or are you indignant at the fact that investigative measures were applied to a soldier who was captured?

              I am outraged by the other - that we have many who defend the past leadership of the country thanks to which we presented our people with the enemy. Thus, we put all the blame on a specific person and removed responsibility from statesmen.
              Are you one of these responsibility shifters?
              Who told you that?
              google WW1, and the fact that "earlier and not in such quantities" and wars were smaller before.

              Google-to-the-corner! laughing Although a useful search engine I do not argue.
              And the fact that before our king promoted the humane treatment of prisoners was not at all because of his kindness of soul, but because of the harsh fact that in the future war at the 1st stage there wouldn’t be enough rounds of ammunition ... it didn’t occur to you such a thought? I'm sure in Google you will not find confirmation of my words.
              What are you talking about?
              did you spit some fields there, some concussions and satisfaction, or is it all not for me?

              Of course not for you.
              Put your URA minus and go further. Well, I will give you my URA minus. laughing
              1. Rider
                Rider 10 October 2013 15: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Lexi
                I am outraged by another - that we have many who defend the past leadership of the country thanks to which we gave our people the enemy

                and who said that responsibility is removed? where did you read / hear / see it?
                everyone should be responsible for their actions.
                including captured soldiers, but I repeat that most of them (approximately 90-95%) did not suffer any punishment for captivity, but were either returned to the army, or sent for treatment and work in factories and in agriculture .
                and only those who (a small part) stained themselves with betrayal were punished.
                and you see from those for whom Stalin is to blame.
                Quote: Lexi
                Google-to-the-corner!

                I certainly do not understand that the current "opponent of the redhead" does not want to study, but personally you could type in Google "Russia, losses, world war 1"
                and that you will find out that between 1,5 and 2,5 million people were captured (according to various estimates).
                so your statement surprisingly, there were no masses of prisoners in RI.
                this is from the category, "the main thing is to blurt out, and then let others check"
                and the fact that you decided something for the tsar there is completely nonsense, since entering the war no one expected so many prisoners, and the situation with cartridge / shell hunger.
                Quote: Lexi
                Put your URA minus and go further. Well, I will give you my URA minus

                nah yeah ...
                the share of the "bearer of the truth of TM" is hard
                one wants to be oppressed for an idea.

                and they will teach you minuses without me.
                1. lexe
                  lexe 10 October 2013 16: 19 New
                  0
                  Dear, you are slipping on a person.
                  I already am silent that people like you have decided a lot and saw in the genius of such a leader as Stalin.
                  Still in the demographic pit
                  since no one envisioned so many prisoners entering the war, and the situation with cartridge / shell hunger.

                  Are you really so naive?
                  Well, I'm waiting for a raise laughing amateur Starikov.
                  And they will throw minuses to you too because of your unwillingness for the scattered Russian people to unite.
                  Without respect.
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 10 October 2013 16: 34 New
                    0
                    reading your opus involuntarily surprised at your illogicality.
                    in the beginning you called me respected, and in the end, you refused respect.

                    and about the demographic hole, are you sure that Stalin is personally to blame and not the Germans, hunger and disease?
                    after all, under the kings, famine happened regularly, but no accusations of "genocide" are heard.
                    Quote: Lexi
                    Are you really so naive?
                    Well, I'm waiting for a raise

                    naive in what?
                    can you give the layout for the "expected number of prisoners"?

                    and what increase are you waiting for?
                    be more specific, less allegories.
                    Quote: Lexi
                    And they will throw minuses to you too because of your unwillingness for the scattered Russian people to unite.

                    a request not to ascribe to me your fabrications, I am with three hands for the integration of Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, and so on, whoever wants to join, but regarding the "sausage emigrants" I expressed my opinion.

                    and your "respect" to me to the bulb, however, like you mine.
  • TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 9 October 2013 17: 49 New
    +1
    I see the Americans did not abandon the divisions, then whose foreign honey was copied during the reform of the RF Armed Forces?
  • Altona
    Altona 9 October 2013 18: 28 New
    +1
    An interesting selection ... Camels and an Afghan artillery soldier smiled on his ears from a shot ...
  • Skuto
    Skuto 9 October 2013 20: 38 New
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VX8-S2W1_Cw
    Is it real or not?
  • Kars
    Kars 9 October 2013 21: 38 New
    +1
    He took Abrashka to the collection.
  • Bruevich
    Bruevich 9 October 2013 22: 44 New
    0
    I liked the camouflage of the warriors near the gun. Right stalker of freedom. I want this too. smile
  • Olegovich
    Olegovich 9 October 2013 23: 18 New
    0
    The professor here is a vaccine against a real adversary. And who wants to hear and understand, he will hear and highlight the most important thing. For me, the main thing is that the Americans do not calm down and are steadily developing offensive weapons, very sophisticated. And it is not necessary to close oneself from this knowledge, but it is necessary to include brains (albeit laziness).
  • netishunUA
    netishunUA 10 October 2013 00: 21 New
    +1
    I never understood why traffic controllers on aircraft carriers?
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 10 October 2013 00: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: netishunUA
      I never understood why traffic controllers on aircraft carriers?


      It’s about the same that a pedestrian will never understand the driver until he becomes a driver.
      No offense, Roman, please!
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 10 October 2013 00: 36 New
        +1
        http://takr-kiev.ucoz.com/forum/75-326-1 вот интересный материал по теме. http://1ynx.ru/post/3485
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 10 October 2013 00: 42 New
          +1
          For amers, this is a whole performance and it looks like that, to pay tribute effectively! good
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 10 October 2013 00: 50 New
            0
            Sasha and most importantly appropriate.
      2. netishunUA
        netishunUA 10 October 2013 00: 51 New
        +1
        Do they have any other responsibilities besides waving flags? Well, can they be mechanics there?
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 10 October 2013 00: 53 New
          +2
          The deck team has a clear specialization, each is only concerned with its own business. Specialists are distinguished by the colors of sweaters and vests.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 10 October 2013 00: 58 New
            +1
            ............................
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 10 October 2013 01: 05 New
              +1
              Respect, attentiveness and alertness, and at the same time purposefulness and hatred. The enemy will be defeated!
          2. studentmati
            studentmati 10 October 2013 00: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            The deck team has a clear specialization, each is only concerned with its own business. Specialists are distinguished by the colors of sweaters and vests.


            It is in strict discipline in the performance of their specific duties that the guarantee of common success lies!
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 10 October 2013 01: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: studentmati
              in strict discipline
              As usual, did not leave freedom for maneuver 5+ good
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 10 October 2013 01: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: Alex 241
                As usual, did not leave freedom to maneuver 5+ good


                What was taught! soldier That's what I learned! soldier drinks
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 10 October 2013 01: 09 New
                  +1
                  Yes, I know: I’ll die but I won’t let the ore go drinks soldier
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 10 October 2013 01: 12 New
                    +1
                    So hold your whack .......
                    1. studentmati
                      studentmati 10 October 2013 01: 22 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      So hold your whack .......

                      Response

                      If I am not mistaken, is this the year 2001 ?: Thank you, Sasha! drinks
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 10 October 2013 01: 27 New
                        +1
                        2005 San, I just can’t find that film where he is in Australia.
                      2. studentmati
                        studentmati 10 October 2013 01: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        2005 San, I just can’t find that film where he is in Australia.

                        In Australia 2005, the kit was different.
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 10 October 2013 01: 38 New
                        +1
                        Sanya, I’ll find it out, it was necessary to see all these cool pilots there, when they sat on the ground according to the weather, and our whack on a thunderstorm left. Board 55204 in the parking lot of Darwin International Airport (Australia). November 25, 2005. http://www.nnre.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_vremja_2010_04/p3.php
                      4. studentmati
                        studentmati 10 October 2013 01: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sanya, I’ll find it out, it was necessary to see all these cool pilots there, when they sat on the ground according to the weather, and our whack on a thunderstorm left. Board 55204 in the parking lot of Darwin International Airport (Australia). November 25, 2005. http://www.nnre.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_vremja_2010_04/p3.php


                        Deeply modified car (I mean wing kit)
                        Well, according to its ideology, the M-55 needs only a run-up strip and a landing strip. Other factors are secondary.
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 10 October 2013 01: 52 New
                        +1
                        Thank God at least this car wasn’t stolen, it was used, and people were at work, otherwise it was like that now!
                      6. studentmati
                        studentmati 10 October 2013 01: 56 New
                        +1
                        Where and when? is blasphemy?
                      7. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 10 October 2013 02: 04 New
                        0
                        Sasha's pictures are dated 2010. The planes from the department are either MAI or MPEI unclear.
                      8. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 10 October 2013 02: 11 New
                        0
                        I found Sasha, this is a dump in Monino, bl ... it would be better if I didn’t look! http://crazys.info/foto/1346814117-svalka-zabroshennyh-samoletov.html
                      9. studentmati
                        studentmati 13 October 2013 21: 13 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        I found Sasha, this is a dump in Monino, bl ... it would be better if I didn’t look! http://crazys.info/foto/1346814117-svalka-zabroshennyh-samoletov.html


                        And about the training base of the Moscow Aviation Institute and the Moscow Power Engineering Institute there was an article on our website "This is how airplanes die" ... I'd better refrain from commenting what I saw, my hair on end.
                    2. studentmati
                      studentmati 10 October 2013 22: 40 New
                      0
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Sasha's pictures are dated 2010. The planes from the department are either MAI or MPEI unclear.


                      As for the M-17, this is the second flying machine. "The war is not over until the last soldier is buried." Is it really that hard to bury? Thanks to the patriots who restored the third car at the Monino parking lot! drinks
                    3. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 10 October 2013 22: 41 New
                      +1
                      Hi Sash, the soldier said for sure!
                    4. studentmati
                      studentmati 10 October 2013 22: 43 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Hi Sash, the soldier said for sure!


                      Hi Sasha. Heart bleeds from what he sees.
                    5. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 10 October 2013 22: 51 New
                      +1
                      I understand you buddy.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 10 October 2013 01: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Alex 241
    Yes, I know: I’m going to die, but I won’t let go of the drinks soldierier


    Maybe that's why Russia is respected, read afraid?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 October 2013 01: 17 New
      +1
      Do you remember Sash somehow quoting the instructions to the American F-4 pilots, she was just a breath of fear.
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 10 October 2013 01: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        Do you remember Sash somehow quoting the instructions to the American F-4 pilots, she was just a breath of fear.


        I remembered, remembered, but I repent I do not remember.
        The ideology is clear, I’ll find it to read.
        The ideology of victory in fearlessness based on unconditional devotion to the motherland!
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 10 October 2013 01: 32 New
        +1
        Sash literally remembered for a lifetime: the Soviet pilot is a product of a totalitarian system, and therefore absolutely unpredictable in battle.
      3. studentmati
        studentmati 10 October 2013 01: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        Sash literally remembered for a lifetime: the Soviet pilot is a product of a totalitarian system, and therefore absolutely unpredictable in battle.


        This is an axiom! good A Russian officer, only then an officer, when he has an internal ideological core!
        And if I love, then I’m unpredictable, for the sake of my love ....
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 10 October 2013 00: 36 New
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    given such good intelligence information. only the faces of not all the heroes of the photo shoot are visible.
  • Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 10 October 2013 00: 40 New
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    Roth Front, comrades.
    Tell me ... I don’t understand one, what, excuse me, what the hell are we once a week treated with portions of American military propaganda?
    I don’t know about you, but I’m personally tired of it.
    1. Bradley
      Bradley 10 October 2013 00: 46 New
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      Where is the "propaganda"?
    2. netishunUA
      netishunUA 10 October 2013 00: 49 New
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      Enemy need to know in person soldier