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Combat compartment for "Almaty", "Boomeranga" and "Kurganza-25": new details

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The development of the Instrument Design Bureau was presented at a closed show as part of the IX International Exhibition of Arms, Military Equipment and Ammunition Russia Arms Expo 2013, which took place from 25 to 28 in September in Nizhny Tagil.


According to the website kbptula.ru, the show took place on September 25 and 26 in a special closed pavilion, where the country's leadership, officials of a number of ministries could evaluate the advanced weapons and the possibilities of equipping the army with new models. D. A. Medvedev and D. O. Rogozin were able to personally get acquainted with weapons future.

On the eve of the exhibition, N.I. Khokhlov, the head of the delegation of the enterprise - deputy head of the BBTT and ATGM, said that KBP OJSC fulfilled its part of the contract and delivered the fighting units in time: OCD as a part of promising unified platforms.

By joint efforts of our designers, the production of JSC Shcheglovsky Val, as well as support services, we have qualitatively fulfilled the task set in the planned timeframe. The main distinctive feature of this BO, which is planned for the series, is that it is crewless.

The presence of a person is completely excluded there, that is, it is conditionally possible to call this fighting compartment partly robotic or remotely controlled. In addition, there used a sighting complex of a new generation, which we began to develop even before the appearance of this topic and the formulation of the problem.

Now our scientific and technical groundwork has come in handy. That is, this idea has long been in the air - to make a sight of this type, of the next class, because compared to the "Bakhchoy" and "Berezhk" this is a step forward. Moreover, when designing, a sufficiently large modernization potential has been established, where it is possible to change a gun without any major modifications, to attach additional types of weapons, that is, this branch of the future.

How much BO is going to be a department of the future is a debatable question. But for now, the customer’s wish is to have a crewless compartment that is managed - fulfilled. ”

N.I. Khokhlov noted that having compared with other powerful enough weapons in this BO, the designers did not "enter" down the machine a centimeter: "That is, if you go into the landing compartment, then this is an even ceiling," said the head of the delegation "KBP", - nothing stands, and all the gunner and the commander are thought out and calculated according to all the rules of ergonomics.

In this BO, the function of two-channel work is realized, that is, the gunner and the commander can work on various goals independently of each other, each with their own weapons. "
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 10: 38 New
    20
    A mechanic will come and tell how it really is. This is a more reliable source.
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 October 2013 10: 40 New
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      This is a more reliable source.

      But he is special in “hodovka”, and then “BO” ...
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 8 October 2013 10: 44 New
        +1
        This BO can probably be equipped with different cannon weapons and installed on both BMT and heavy infantry fighting vehicles.
        Those. This is a loading system + SLA.
      2. klimpopov
        klimpopov 8 October 2013 10: 46 New
        19
        Here the question "was-was not." So Zhenya will tell something.
        But in general, this ph with models has already sore eyes.
        1. Dimon-chik-79
          Dimon-chik-79 8 October 2013 15: 54 New
          0
          Probably models and will be adopted
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 11: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        But he is special in “hodovka”, and then “BO” ...

        And where does the hodovka, when it crawls through the armature both outside and inside
        1. svp67
          svp67 8 October 2013 11: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And where does the hodovka, when it crawls through the armature both outside and inside
          But special in the "hodovka", but what about the other? It’s not enough to see here, here you also need to understand, and better, compare it with what was ...
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 8 October 2013 13: 53 New
          +3
          So he is not crawling along the Kurgan people with the Boomerangs;)
        3. t-95-70
          t-95-70 9 October 2013 04: 38 New
          +1
          and most importantly, everyone saw him crawling
      4. Civil
        Civil 8 October 2013 14: 06 New
        0
        If only the conditional opponent did not switch to robots :-)
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 8 October 2013 10: 53 New
      13
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      A mechanic will come and tell how it really is. This is a more reliable source.

      - We are waiting for the Mechanic. Impatiently. But the SAW sounds just stunning! Now, if this is true, then it’s just super! The world's first rotated and sophisticated, two-channel BO! "to make a sight of this type, the next class, because compared with the “Bakhcha" and "Berezhok" this is a step forward. Moreover, the design has a sufficiently large modernization potential, where you can change the gun without additional modifications, attach additional types of weapons, that is, this is the separation of the future. - sounds like music
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 8 October 2013 13: 35 New
        +7
        I'm certainly not a specialist in profile, but most of all, it’s stunning for me:
        the designers didn’t "go down" the car a centimeter: "That is, if you go into the troop compartment, then this is an even ceiling,

        How is this possible in terms of deploying a very voluminous ammunition and reserve space for the movement of the breech of the gun when pointing in a vertical plane? Plus rollback when fired. Plus the dimensions of the armor itself and auxiliary mechanisms. The same automatic loading.
        If for the relatively small-caliber weapons of the BMP ... well, somehow it’s possible to admit there, then for Armata ... Miniature figs! Skolkovo is resting.
        Intrigued right. We are waiting for the mechanic. Vulture he certainly will not open to us. Do not need. But even the monosyllabic phraseological unit or YES will suit me for the first time.
        repeat
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 8 October 2013 13: 46 New
          +3
          How is this possible in terms of deploying a very voluminous ammunition ...

          Armata is a platform. It is unlikely that anything more than 30 mm will be put on a heavy BMP based on Almaty. So much for the landing compartment with a flat ceiling. And where is the landing on the tank? It is unlikely that there will be, as on Merkava, a kubrick for placement in a siu-si position, the wrong volumes.
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 8 October 2013 16: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: abrakadabre
          I'm certainly not a specialist in profile, but most of all, it’s overwhelming for me

          This is not about Armata !!! Below I gave a link to the KBP website, this is their product.
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 8 October 2013 14: 01 New
        +3
        Well, in fact, there’s nothing archaic and super-duper,
        Germans and Canadians and Americans are doing this.
        The presence of people in Bahce is not its drawback, again - in the event of a clash - the fire will be concentrated on the BMP body, therefore it is not so important where the operator is located, but the fact that the entire bk is carried out in a not very protected tower can be a minus, although the release of space for landing - a plus.
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 8 October 2013 19: 39 New
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        “make a sight of this type, of the following class, since this is a step forward compared to Bahchoy and Berezhok. Moreover, the design has a fairly large modernization potential, where you can change the gun without major modifications, attach additional types of weapons, that is, separation of the future. - sounds like music

        This music scares me. Does our MO want to buy these latest developments, because how many valuable inventions were sold over the hill due to the fact that we couldn’t!
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 8 October 2013 10: 53 New
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Mechanic will come


      and if he doesn’t come ?! winked
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      and tell


      and if he comes but doesn’t tell ?! winked
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      This is a more reliable source.


      that is yes. yes

      Hello Alexander hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 11: 09 New
        10
        Quote: Apollon

        and if he doesn’t come ?!

        So FSB tied laughing
        Quote: Apollon

        and if he comes but doesn’t tell?

        So they’ve released a subscription wassat
        Hi Apollo hi
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 8 October 2013 11: 33 New
          +5
          So far, these are all words and prototypes. A picture (photo) can be outwardly beautiful and, possibly, meaningful, but only factory and military (in particular) tests will show "what is what", whether our developers are on the right track. Yes and The state of our economy, MTBases, at times, become an insurmountable obstacle to new ideas.
          I would like to wish good luck to the project! good
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 8 October 2013 13: 36 New
            +4
            The picture is already a hundred years old at lunch
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 8 October 2013 13: 41 New
      +4
      exhausted my whole soul, passion as a hunt for all this in a heap to see ... wassat
    5. alexpro66
      alexpro66 8 October 2013 14: 06 New
      -2
      I am joining! Also really looking forward to!)))) The source is simply -FABRIC!
      Do not forget to minus!
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 8 October 2013 14: 14 New
        +7
        minus ... but why did you need this ??? laughing
        1. alexpro66
          alexpro66 9 October 2013 14: 38 New
          0
          This is a reminder for the gifted. I mean, the Mechanic not only works with Armata, but he also builds Kurgan and Boomerang and travels to Tula ?? - check how BM development works there ??)))) Well, I think under the nickname Mechanic- Rogozin unsubscribes — no less! !!)))))
    6. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 8 October 2013 17: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      A mechanic will come and tell how it really is. This is a more reliable source.


      Pomme so everything is chewed. Uninhabited combat module with a cannon and something else. Mounted on top of an armored enclosure. Apparently the tank will look like the German Leopard of the latest models - a huge ugly tower on top of the transport platform.
      1. alone
        alone 8 October 2013 20: 16 New
        +1
        I would like to see at least one ready-made platform, and then some kind of layouts and layouts. (
    7. t-95-70
      t-95-70 9 October 2013 04: 38 New
      -2
      yes, as if the mechanic will tell, everyone knows how knowledgeable. And most importantly, the authority is not reputed
  2. svp67
    svp67 8 October 2013 10: 38 New
    +3
    The main distinguishing feature of this BO, which is planned for the series, is that it is crewless.

    The presence of a person is completely excluded there, that is, it is conditionally possible to call this fighting compartment partly robotic or remotely controlled. In addition, there used a sighting complex of a new generation, which we began to develop even before the appearance of this topic and the formulation of the problem.
    This is all INTERESTING, well, at least one photo ... Words of course can tell a lot, but I would like to see ...
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 8 October 2013 13: 38 New
      +1
      Words of course can tell a lot, but I would like to see ...
      And how our sworn friends want to see !!! And if we read this in joy, then what is it?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 8 October 2013 14: 09 New
        +5
        And if we read this in joy, then what is it?

        Our most ardent friends are now busy with another - they consider the budget. Have mercy, the new Russian tank in iron will be an occasion for them to use all antidepressants prepared for a rainy day.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 8 October 2013 14: 20 New
          +2
          What am I doing? I sho taco ...
          I can even pay an extra pack of these same ... depressants to them and buy ... Humanitarianism so to speak
        2. tun1313
          tun1313 8 October 2013 15: 39 New
          +3
          It’s more likely to overturn the budget, some article in NYT will be released, such as a report about the puppy Abrams and Armata super-megaciller, they will raise a howl about defenselessness from shaggy balalaika, etc. on the list and knock out money for some super slingshot. So the Pentagon will still be grateful to us.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 8 October 2013 15: 51 New
            +1
            So the Pentagon will still be grateful to us.

            How to say. Their prototypes only do that they star in cool videos about the super weapons of the future. On the plans for adopting a new tank .. not heard. But Americans are PR masters. At the same time, the US Army make buy new abrams so as not to lose jobs at the factory. But the army does not need them! They simply have nowhere to put and apply!
            1. tun1313
              tun1313 8 October 2013 15: 57 New
              0
              Yes, I agree, though Ragozin has already defeated everyone by PR. Wave will still be driven without the enemy no budget.
              1. alone
                alone 8 October 2013 20: 17 New
                0
                I don’t argue. He’s a master of promotion. It’s only time to move from words to deeds.
  3. major071
    major071 8 October 2013 10: 42 New
    +5
    Again without a photo, again some riddles. Imagination draws something incredible, but I want specificity and reality.
    1. waisson
      waisson 8 October 2013 10: 49 New
      0
      I hope the imagination doesn’t deceive you, but for now I myself am guessing
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 8 October 2013 11: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: major071
      Again without a photo, again some riddles. Imagination draws something incredible, but I want specificity and reality.


      You want a lot, but it doesn’t. wassat
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 8 October 2013 13: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: major071
      Again without a photo, again some riddles. Imagination draws something incredible, but I want specificity and reality.

      Most likely, we are talking about BM "Age" - you can read more about GurKhan.
    4. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 8 October 2013 14: 28 New
      0
      And in serial execution of the state order.
  4. Sirop
    Sirop 8 October 2013 10: 49 New
    +1
    It's too early, we'll see at the parade in 2015)))
    1. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 8 October 2013 14: 32 New
      -9
      Four pieces made in China or elsewhere.
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 8 October 2013 15: 35 New
      16
      Quote: Sirop
      It's too early, we'll see at the parade in 2015)))

      If we survive.
      I think laughing the tank will not look something futuristic, in the style of stealth and other things. He will have a purely Russian image, seemingly unprepossessing, but somehow imperceptibly perfect. Such that it immediately becomes clear - we are power. yes
      Like this:
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 8 October 2013 15: 50 New
        10
        Quote: AK-47
        Like this:

        No, Valery ...
        The periscope is clearly not enough ... Under water, how?
        Plus nana add steps to spacewalk. Suddenly Martians?

        And so - a little weak for us ... no
        Let the Americans ride on such a simple configuration. yes
        laughing
        1. AK-47
          AK-47 8 October 2013 18: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          The periscope is clearly not enough ... Under water, how? Plus ... steps to spacewalk

          I agree.
          One head is good, two is better. good
        2. dustycat
          dustycat 8 October 2013 18: 15 New
          +2
          And the video unit above the screw sleeve for what? winked
          Explicitly on a retractable bar. laughing
          Why not a periscope?
          Especially since it flew by what exactly television periscopes instead of optical ones will sculpt on new submarines - they are both longer and easier to operate and repair.
      2. xAskoldx
        xAskoldx 9 October 2013 00: 16 New
        +1
        I love people with a great sense of humor !!! RESPECT!
  5. understudy
    understudy 8 October 2013 10: 49 New
    +1
    A “crewless BO” is, of course, cool, but ... I believe that a “do-it-yourself” backup system should be provided. And I was also guarded by the words ova "enough powerful weapons in this BO. "How is it?
    1. berserk1967
      berserk1967 8 October 2013 13: 02 New
      +2
      Exactly. And then a nuclear explosion, an electromagnetic pulse and all the robotic equipment down the drain, or else it’s even easier in EW conditions how all these robots will work.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 8 October 2013 13: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: berserk1967
        a nuclear explosion, an electromagnetic pulse and all the robotic equipment down the drain, or even easier in EW

        Yes, Oleg, this is a problem. It must not be forgotten.
        And now it’s “not fashionable” to talk about her.

        The way out is the good old duplicated mechanical control.
        How to make it with modularity?
        Personally, I am not a constructor, but I do not want to compose.
        But I hope this will be taken into account.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 8 October 2013 18: 18 New
          +1
          How how...
          On cables and ropes.
  6. erased
    erased 8 October 2013 10: 57 New
    +1
    Until we see in nature, it makes no sense to guess. And to paint like that and to no purpose. How long is it to wait?
  7. tun1313
    tun1313 8 October 2013 11: 00 New
    +9
    Reading the recollections of the participants of the 1st Chechen one, the story of the tank officer was especially memorable, unfortunately I do not remember the author. So his car received more than one hit, as a result, various malfunctions arose that were fixed manually and the car continued to be a combat unit and did not leave the battle (unfortunately, there wasn’t much for them to leave). It is clear that, according to the mantra of UNIQUE LEVEL OF LEVEL OF WORLDWIDE STANDARDS, active and passive protection should prevent entry, but all the same, in theory, access to the military compartment should be accessible from the inside ("the presence of a person is completely excluded"), because mantras are mantras, and life is life and it’s worth losing a combat unit from for a jammed robotic remotely controlled charging automaton, it’s somehow not good. IMHO
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 8 October 2013 12: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: tun1313
      his car received more than one hit, as a result there were various malfunctions that were fixed manually and the car continued to be a combat unit and did not leave the battle

      Yes, your thought is different - the weapon should be unpretentious.
      But if the crew is in a more protected place of the combat vehicle than in a tower surrounded by weapons and ammunition ...

      That life of fighters is somehow more expensive ... Indeed. ?
      If they follow this principle, then I am FOR all arms and legs. Just revise the tactics of application (taking into account possible increases in jamming).

      If the protection of the crew in the hull (in the capsule, or in some other "canister") on new machines will not differ from the safety of the current towers, and the automatic modularity of the weapons will stick out as the current "mode" in military affairs ...
      That, of course, is crap.
      We'll see.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 8 October 2013 13: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Aleks tv
        But if the crew is in a more secure place of the combat vehicle than in the tower,

        Citizens, be careful. Here we are talking not about BO "Almaty", but about the promised Tula KBP BO for BMD-4M, if I'm not mistaken.
        In this BO, the dual-channel operation function is implemented, that is, the gunner and commander can work on different goals independently of each other, each with their own weapons. ”
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 8 October 2013 14: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Hedgehog
          This is not about BO "Almaty"

          Yes, Eugene.
          When I wrote, I thought about Kurgan and Boomerang in the first place ... well, a little bit about Armata.
          winked
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 8 October 2013 14: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Aleks tv

            By the way, here is more detailed http://kbptula.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=387%3Arusarmsexpo
            5&catid=13%3A2011-09-06-10-28-34&Itemid=2&lang=ru
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 8 October 2013 14: 18 New
              0
              Quote: Hedgehog
              here in more detail

              Thanks for the link.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 8 October 2013 14: 23 New
          +2
          Well ... The author has written very strongly. We thought a lot about everything.
          We didn’t study by the USE. Soviet education developed a fantasy for us. Yes, books about how spaceships plow the expanses of the universe.
          That brought a little drinks
  8. sven27
    sven27 8 October 2013 11: 01 New
    +1
    Fortune telling again. GIVE PHOTO !!!
    1. tun1313
      tun1313 8 October 2013 11: 06 New
      +2
      Better drawings ... :))))
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 8 October 2013 12: 02 New
        0
        better swatch to touch! laughing
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 October 2013 11: 10 New
      13
      Quote: sven27
      GIVE PHOTO !!!

      Whoever gives the photo will be given a term
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 October 2013 11: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Whoever gives the photo will be given a term
        The deadline, not the deadline, but it’ll lose its job, at the same time it’s kept secret ... But the authorities, the more complex T50, are shown without hesitation, building ships, the same thing, and the most common models of military equipment - secrets under seven seals, general view it’s already possible to show at least a “plastic” “full-scale model” ... Not only the “national servants” but the people themselves must know where and what their money is spent on.
        1. tun1313
          tun1313 8 October 2013 11: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          But the question to the authorities, the more complex T50 is shown without embarrassment, building ships

          One thing is the case, and another thing is the filling. It’s easier to really lay out the blueprints, it’s still not a civilian car (although they are no worse guarded before the premiere). By the way, there are mock-ups, rather than a general view.
          1. svp67
            svp67 8 October 2013 11: 36 New
            0
            Quote: tun1313
            By the way, there are mock-ups, rather than a general view.
            These layouts are laid out already God knows how much, and most importantly without a specific binding, what are the layouts, everyone guesses for himself ...
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 8 October 2013 12: 28 New
              0
              Quote: svp67
              without a specific binding, what are these layouts, everyone guesses for himself ...

              Well, next to each layout is a description plate, read on health! ))))
              1. svp67
                svp67 8 October 2013 12: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Well, next to each layout is a description plate, read on health! ))))
                He became a little blind, do not consider it hard to read these inscriptions ...
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 8 October 2013 12: 34 New
                  +1
                  Quote: svp67
                  announce these inscriptions ...

                  yes
                  good
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 8 October 2013 12: 39 New
                    0
                    Hi Alex. Again, the "poor" "virtual Armata" "bones are washed", it seems that when it is finally shown, it wakes up "sterile clean" ...
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 8 October 2013 12: 53 New
                      0
                      it seems that when it is finally shown, it wakes up "sterile clean" ...

                      And rightly so, but no infection will pester. smile
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 8 October 2013 12: 55 New
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        but no infection will bother

                        I would like to....
                    2. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 8 October 2013 13: 10 New
                      +2
                      Quote: svp67
                      it seems that when it is finally shown, it wakes up "sterile clean" ...

                      Greetings, Sergey.

                      Ага.
                      Or people will be very disappointed that she will not be able to fire direct fire from under water or ... to go into open space.
                      The science fiction around this project has already exceeded all conceivable possibilities.
                      We are waiting, sir.
                      winked
                      1. abrakadabre
                        abrakadabre 8 October 2013 13: 43 New
                        +1
                        This is a PR in the best traditions. Create an intrigue. And when all the vorogami go crazy with guesses ...
                        And war is not needed
                        wassat
                  2. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 8 October 2013 18: 18 New
                    0
                    ..........................................
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 8 October 2013 18: 25 New
                      +3
                      Men, what kind of apparatuses are these?
                      1. bask
                        bask 8 October 2013 19: 14 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Men, what kind of apparatuses are these?

                        SASH.
                        Product Bondarchuk and KO. yes The film ,, inhabited island ,,, - its pipelats. laughing
                        [media = http: //nevsedoma.com.ua/index.php? newsid = 33476]

                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 8 October 2013 19: 17 New
                        +3
                        http://www.fotosimagenes.org/fuerzas-terrestres-de-rusia, Андрюх источник,
                        Quote: bask
                        ,, inhabited island,
                        I tried to see this masterpiece, it was enough for exactly 24 minutes laughing
                      3. bask
                        bask 8 October 2013 19: 35 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        I tried to see this masterpiece, it was enough for exactly 24 minutes

                        I didn’t even try, my wife said a complete howoun. lol And I believed her (oddly enough).
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 8 October 2013 19: 39 New
                        +3
                        Let's see what happened to him with Stalingrad.
                    2. regsSSSR
                      regsSSSR 8 October 2013 23: 26 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      http://www.fotosimagenes.org/fuerzas-terrestres-de-rusia, Андрюх источник,
                      Quote: bask
                      ,, inhabited island,
                      I tried to see this masterpiece, it was enough for exactly 24 minutes laughing


                      In general, the Strugatsky brothers are very difficult to screen, yet not with some worthy have not received. and the book itself (the inhabited island), magnificent in its time, was read in a chasm as a principle and all the works of the brothers.
                      soon the film of Aleksey German (it’s difficult to be a god) should be sung in another name (massacre in the arkonar) based on the Strugatsky novel of the same name, which he had been filming for more than 8 years but did not live up to its publication. I advise you to look! if he comes out of course
                      and Bondarchuk simply tried to please everyone and those who read this work and expected from the film the deep meaning of the Strugatsky world and those who are used to seeing only an action movie in the cinema and, in the end, nothing! and the thought recently reached the viewer and the gunman took off so-so in the outcome, the attempt to sit on two chairs failed. Now, if briefly, something like this)
              2. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 10 October 2013 10: 04 New
                0
                By the way, reflections on the photo:
                If you look Here are all sorts of BMPs there, they have the upper frontal part of the armor almost horizontally, and the lower frontal part, on the contrary, is almost vertical.
                Here my curiosity was overturned: how much more advantageous is the survivability of the machine, such an orientation of the upper and lower parts, the opposite, or as shown on the Armata type — equal angles of both plates. And which shell ricochet is preferable: to the sky or to the earth.
                Who are the specialists, please enlighten?
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 8 October 2013 13: 04 New
            0
            Quote: svp67
            read these inscriptions.

            Well, actually, first show the paper on the right to listen to the texts of those tablets. :) Do you have access to classified information. And even more so on the site, which is actively visited by our spy friends. tongue
            1. svp67
              svp67 8 October 2013 13: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Well, actually, first show the paper on the right to listen to the texts of those tablets. :)

              Well again deceived belay ..... well, I don’t play like that .... crying
              A "mustache, paws and tail", as a document will come down wink
              That is why people who are quietly allowed to go abroad, the same Serdyukov, can read them, and I, who have been doing my passport for almost half a year, afraid that I’ll take out what secret, can’t do it
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 8 October 2013 13: 29 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Well again deceived

                Your fate is like that! And our destiny is to believe everyone and not trust anyone! The presence of a passport just raises suspicions. Well, as you learn the text on the plate and rush ahead of the rest to our sworn friends to sell! It will not work. At our border, hungry dogs await you. They also want to eat. wassat
  9. Wedmak
    Wedmak 8 October 2013 11: 52 New
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    But the question to the authorities, the more complex T50, is shown without embarrassment, building ships, the same, and the most common examples of military equipment - secrets under seven seals

    T-50 and ships are far from everyone can repeat on photo and video materials. But the tank, bmp ... immediately copy the Chinese.
  10. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 8 October 2013 13: 40 New
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    Not only "people's servants" but the people themselves must know where and what their money is spent on.
    The less you know the better you sleep.
    wink
  • Manager
    Manager 8 October 2013 13: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Whoever gives the photo will be given a term

    Is it really not worth it? )))
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  • yanus
    yanus 8 October 2013 11: 36 New
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    I completely believe in uninhabited BO, but "robotic" - they lie and do not blush.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 8 October 2013 12: 03 New
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      It depends on what it means. If a fully automatic system, then yes, you can not say about a robotic one. If it’s automated, where a large number of tasks are assigned to mechanics, and a person only indicates what and when to do, then BO can be called robotic to some extent.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 8 October 2013 12: 34 New
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        Quote: Basileus
        It depends on what it means.

        Robot (Czech robot, from rob - slave) - an automatic device designed to replace human labor. Acting according to a predetermined program and receiving information about the outside world from sensors, the robot independently carries out production and other operations, usually performed by humans. At the same time, the robot can either have a connection with the operator (receive commands from it) and act autonomously.
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 8 October 2013 12: 40 New
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          Without the help of the captain, we would not have figured it out, thanks. It is like a teacher at school, giving the only correct definition in his opinion and not tolerating other options in the answer.

          But even by your definition, it turns out that it can be called robotic. Because in modern systems - avionics of combat aircraft or FCS of tanks there are a lot of elements that independently carry out calculations and are independent of the tanker / pilot. Target tracking machines, ballistic computers. The direction of the nozzle in airplanes with UVT is also not controlled by the pilot.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 8 October 2013 13: 29 New
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            Quote: Basileus
            Without the help of the captain, we would not have figured it out, thanks. It is like a teacher at school, giving the only correct definition in his opinion and not tolerating other options in the answer.

            As I understand it, the "captain" of this laughing ?
            So: Chop yourself on your nose - NOT ONE comment can claim to be exclusivity и infallibility, INCLUDING and mine ...

            One of the many definitions of ROBOT values ​​has been shown. And your "nervous" reaction is strange. request
    2. Locksmith
      Locksmith 8 October 2013 12: 06 New
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      Quote: yanus
      I completely believe in uninhabited BO, but "robotic" - they lie and do not blush.

      Why so surprising? Well, you don’t think that the guns are manually raised and pointed on tanks, so servos have long existed, and since the use of servos on mechanical gearboxes is called a “robotic gearbox”, I think the same feature here, that is, aiming the barrel with a servo. And the hatch you love is in the BO, somehow it needs to be charged, maintained, without this, probably nowhere. wink
    3. dustycat
      dustycat 8 October 2013 18: 26 New
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      Why not robotic?
      Robotization is a matter of terminology.
      The twin machine gun in tanks is also robotic - the electric start and the electric shutter make it robotic, although the cables and manual release also remained - for whom it is robotic, for whom it is simply remotely controlled.
    4. alone
      alone 8 October 2013 20: 19 New
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      Quote: yanus
      I completely believe in uninhabited BO, but "robotic" - they lie and do not blush.


      Well, why are you so? Blush of course, only unnoticed by everyone))
    5. yanus
      yanus 9 October 2013 00: 35 New
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      Quote: yanus
      I completely believe in uninhabited BO, but "robotic" - they lie and do not blush.

      I see not everyone understands the essence of robotics. For example, in the same TOP or the latest anti-aircraft gun modules for ships, the essence of the operator’s work is to decide whether to open fire or not. In principle, one can make it all happen without human intervention.
      That is, a robotic BO for a tank must itself find, identify, prioritize, accompany targets. It will not happen. the operators will independently search for and recognize goals, they will set the target tracking machine to the maximum.
      As soon as the essence of the concept of "robotization" becomes clear, it will immediately become clear that the same UAV is not a radio-controlled model.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 9 October 2013 07: 45 New
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        The target tracking machine is the same robot) That's what the machine is for.
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 10 October 2013 12: 34 New
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        Hmm ... But on the assembly line, for example, is a robot. He doesn’t make decisions. None. Only follows the inherent program. But at the same time it is considered an industrial robot.
        On the other hand, Japanese crafts that run and play football just fall under your definition of independent decisions.
  • mithridate
    mithridate 8 October 2013 11: 45 New
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    Better to see once than hear a hundred times
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 8 October 2013 11: 52 New
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    It is also written there - chatically robotic. And this concept is loose. In general, I would like to see all this in real form and not in the toy collection.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 8 October 2013 12: 06 New
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    Beautifully painted ... Just a hotz, do not hear the same thing, what time. And to see clearly, but better to feel ... smile
  • Sochi
    Sochi 8 October 2013 12: 43 New
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    I am generally confused by the crewless fighting compartment, the slightest malfunction and the tank is incapable. And in battle, get out and fix the malfunction ... you can find a more humane way of suicide. I think that it was possible to solve the issue of crew security more reasonably.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 8 October 2013 13: 03 New
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      Maybe you have some rational suggestions?
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 8 October 2013 13: 48 New
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        they can be found a lot, for example, to place the ammunition at the back of the fighting compartment and to separate it with an armor plate leaving a window for feeding into the carousel of loading, so in the fighting compartment there will be no more than two three charges and they can be closed from defeat.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 8 October 2013 12: 47 New
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    Direct project "Glucose", everyone heard but no one saw it. winked I want to believe that the regime of secrecy is being revived. About Buran, conversations in 75 were already doing something, but flew to 88 m. We are waiting and hope
  • marder4
    marder4 8 October 2013 13: 12 New
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    when they show, finally ??? otherwise it’s just talk ...
  • eugen-medved
    eugen-medved 8 October 2013 13: 21 New
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    Yeah, we all play toyshttp: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/650/ynws346.jpg
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 8 October 2013 17: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: eugen-medved
      Yeah we all play toys

      Cool ! The funny thing is that I'm doing this at the moment;)
      It is still a pity that the first planes disappeared.
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  • Yugra
    Yugra 8 October 2013 13: 50 New
    +1
    Even the great secrecy of these models, but only so that they are
  • nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 8 October 2013 14: 25 New
    +1
    According to the website kbptula.ru, the show was held on September 25 and 26 in a special closed pavilion, where the country's leadership
    The country's leadership is moving on the Mercier and the opinion of the military is needed.
  • andr1966a
    andr1966a 8 October 2013 14: 33 New
    +3
    He can’t do without Medvedev. The most important specialist.
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    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 8 October 2013 16: 04 New
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      Quote: tun1313
      I meant access to the BO from the inside to eliminate non-regular situations,

      Of course I agree.
      This is very categorically desirable.
      Let's see how they do it.
  • lpd1
    lpd1 8 October 2013 16: 29 New
    +1
    Will be - let's see! While the conversation is about nothing.
  • Altona
    Altona 8 October 2013 17: 13 New
    +3
    Let them show a really tested prototype, and any designer can sculpt clay tanks ...
  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 8 October 2013 17: 35 New
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    Quote: Altona
    Let them show a really tested prototype, and any designer can sculpt clay tanks ...

    and a Chemondan with a red button, do not want to use ??! bully
    1. Altona
      Altona 8 October 2013 18: 24 New
      +1
      I don’t need a suitcase, and the tank’s running layout at least, during this time it was possible to imagine ...
  • avg
    avg 8 October 2013 19: 52 New
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    The people are tuned for a miracle. Everyone expects it to be the most self-propelled self-shooting craft. It is urgent to lower the bar otherwise disappointment is inevitable. fellow
  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 9 October 2013 01: 34 New
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    Quote: Altona
    I don’t need a suitcase, and the tank’s running layout at least, during this time it was possible to imagine ...

    I wonder why you decided so? where the terms come from .. 7 rinks, tracks, a tower, a gun - that’s how it works laughing

    But seriously ... presented to whom? you? a person on the forum is not under his own name? or 95% of Russians who do not distinguish the 72nd from the 90th? or just for the "residents of the forums" lovers to discuss in 99,9% while not having behind their back anything other than a wiki bully