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Two days of discussions in Brussels. NATO is confident that they fully fulfilled their mission in Afghanistan

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Two days of discussions in Brussels. NATO is confident that they fully fulfilled their mission in AfghanistanThe withdrawal of NATO forces from Afghanistan will not help the Taliban regain power in this country after 2014. The Afghan political situation is unlikely to undergo significant changes after the level of the Western military presence near Hindu Kush decreases, and the election of a new president in the spring of 2014 will be the main political event for Afghan society and the state. Such conclusions were made by Russian and NATO experts on Afghanistan after a two-day discussion in Brussels.


The September trip of Russian experts specializing in Afghan and Central Asian issues (among which was the author of these lines), to the headquarters of the North Atlantic Alliance was conceived and organized by the Director of the NATO Information Office in Moscow, Robert Pchel. According to the headquarters officials, the visit of such an expert delegation was the first in stories Russian-NATO relations.

REVANSH TALIBOV MALOVYATYEN

Representatives of the alliance, among whom were senior and senior officers, high-ranking diplomats, leading political advisers, discussing Afghan issues, focused on several plots - the results of the ISAF mission, forecast the development of the situation in Afghanistan after 2014, the problem of organizing a new Afghan NATO operation “Reliable support ”, Cooperation between Russia and the alliance in the Afghan area and, finally, the upcoming presidential elections in Afghanistan in the spring of 2014.

According to NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow, who met with Russian experts on 19 this September, the main achievement of NATO in Afghanistan was the destruction of the infrastructure of international terrorist organizations, primarily Al Qaeda: “The fundamental goal of NATO in Afghanistan was not to country to become a haven for international terrorism. And this goal has been achieved. ” Vershbow believes that after the withdrawal of the Western coalition forces from Afghanistan, we should not expect a Taliban revenge: “The Taliban, although they enjoy some support from some Afghans, are still not able to seize power in Afghanistan either now or after 2014, when the NATO forces withdraw from the country the bulk of their units. This is primarily due to the fact that the Taliban offer a medieval regime for Afghanistan, unpopular among Afghans. ”

According to Vershbow, the Afghan national security forces, the army and the police, are guarantors of the Taliban’s failure to return to power. “Today, there is an increase in the number of Afghan security forces, which are beginning to enjoy strong support from the country's population. They are taking an independent part in the 90% of military operations that are being conducted in Afghanistan, "said Vershbow, noting that this leads to a significant increase in casualties among Afghan military and police:" It is the Afghans who today bear the main casualties in Afghanistan in the fight against the Taliban. " .

Although the North Atlantic Alliance intends to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan, however, Vershbow and other headquarters officials prefer not to talk about stopping, but about “transforming” the Afghan NATO mission. “Operation Reliable Support, which we are launching, is a new form of NATO participation in Afghanistan’s affairs after 2014. We are not leaving Afghanistan, we are only changing the form of support for the Afghans, ”the NATO Deputy Secretary General stressed.

However, for now, we can speak with caution about the exact dates of the start of Operation Reliable Support. As one of the officials at NATO headquarters told NVO, the Afghan-American status-of-forces talks, which should regulate the procedure for finding US units in Afghanistan after 2014, are extremely difficult. The content of a similar agreement between the Afghan government and NATO headquarters depends on the parameters of the bilateral status of forces treaty between Kabul and Washington.

According to a competent interlocutor of NVO in Brussels, negotiations between the government of Hamid Karzai and Washington are difficult: “They remind of endless bargaining in the eastern market, when it is necessary to make one concession, as a partner immediately begins to demand another, perceiving flexibility as weakness.” The alliance’s headquarters official didn’t hide the irritation too much, noting that Karzai is not taking the US hostage today, but himself: “If the Americans and Afghans do not sign the status-of-forces agreement before October 2013, then most likely further negotiations will be stopped and resumed already in the spring of 2014 of the year - after the election of a new president of Afghanistan. ” Obviously, in this case, the new president will sign the agreement with the Americans on behalf of Kabul.

HOPE FOR COOPERATION

The NATO headquarters officials have repeatedly stressed during conversations with Russian experts that to launch Operation Reliable Support, the alliance does not need any additional international legal sanctions (for example, the decision of the UN Security Council). “It would, of course, be nice if such a resolution of the UN Security Council were, and NATO would support the appearance of such a resolution,” one of the alliance officials said in an interview with NVO. - However, this is not a prerequisite for the start of a new mission. A direct appeal from the government of Afghanistan is quite enough. ”

“With 1 January 2015, Afghanistan will become a fully sovereign state. And at the request of the Afghan government, we can stay in order to further support this country, ”said Alexander Vershbow, stressing that“ NATO will only be engaged in a training mission in Afghanistan, and the United States, after 2014, will continue to assist this country in fighting the remnants Al-Qaida.

NATO Headquarters is counting on cooperation with Russia in the implementation of Operation Reliable Support. “The interests of Russia and NATO with regard to Afghanistan coincide: together we want Afghanistan to be stable and fit into the Central Asian region,” says Alliance Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow.

A senior representative of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the NATO armed forces (SHAPE), in an interview with Russian experts, confirmed that the alliance needs to cooperate with Russia: “It is important for us to use the transit opportunities through Russian territory, to maintain good relations with Tajikistan and other Central Asian countries. For us, it is also important to have constructive cooperation with Russian commercial organizations providing transit. In addition, we are interested in Russian investments in Afghanistan, as well as in helping the Afghan army by specialists from Russia. ” According to a military official in SHAPE, “both Russia and NATO share some common interests in Afghanistan and the region as a whole - the fight against drugs, the fight against trade weapons and maintaining the balance and balance of power in the region, especially in terms of the security situation. ”

Speaking about the Afghan drug problem, Alexander Vershbow said that "NATO is unlikely to be the leading organization that will fight drugs in Afghanistan, especially after 2014 of the year."

Commenting on the issue of negotiations between the United States and the Taliban, the outcome of which was the opening of the Taliban office in Qatar this summer, Alexander Vershbow noted that “relations with the Taliban are a very difficult question”: “Ultimately, Afghans will have to come to a dialogue between the official government and the Taliban. Given the Afghan Constitution, the Taliban could possibly participate in the political life of Afghanistan. ” However, Vershbow said, “I am skeptical about this, at least considering the perspective of the next few years”: The Taliban should join the peace process, taking into account the Afghan Constitution, although this will probably be an indirect road. There must be a political basis so that the Taliban cannot return to power. ” "I will not put much on this card," summed up Vershbow, commenting on the prospects for the negotiation process with the Taliban.

THREATS OF JIHADISM

The main event for Afghanistan and Afghans, according to Russian and NATO experts, will be the election of a new president of the country. “I hope that a peaceful transfer of power to the new government will take place,” said Alexander Vershbow. According to him, at present in Afghanistan preparations are under way for the elections, the Taliban are trying to thwart them. But the election of the head of state should still take place.

Alexander Vershbow stressed that NATO and NATO countries have no preferences for presidential candidates in Afghanistan: “We are interested in the election process itself so that it is transparent enough so that there are no doubts about the fairness and legitimacy of the elections, since their results have great significance for the future development of Afghanistan. ”

In addition to meetings with NATO officials, Russian experts had the opportunity to talk on the platform of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly with leading European experts on Afghanistan and Central Asia. One of them, Paul Quinn-Jude, representing the authoritative International Crisis Group (ICG), stressed that the real risk levels of jihadists after 2014 in Afghanistan and the Central Asian region are unknown. “Their (risks) are difficult to calculate, as there are no accurate data on jihadist organizations and their potential,” said the analyst at ICG. According to him, the first countries that may be threatened by jihadists are Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, which are unlikely to repel these threats: "In these countries there is no centralized state control system in the peripheral regions that contributes to the spread of the threat of jihadism." Quinn-Jude believes that the main burden of ensuring security after 2014 in the region falls on Russia and China: “One of the main problems is how Russia can protect Tajikistan’s border with Afghanistan.”

Brigadier General Patrick Nopen, representing the Royal Institute for International Relations (RIIR), speaking about the possibility of Russia-NATO cooperation in the Afghan project, said: “Russia and NATO must agree on the division of labor in Afghanistan, primarily in the fight against drugs. At the same time, it is necessary to take into account the factor of reducing Russian influence in Central Asia and strengthening China there.

As part of their visit to NATO headquarters, Russian experts also met with Russia's Permanent Representative to the North Atlantic Alliance, Alexander Grushko. The Russian diplomat spoke about joint projects with NATO in Afghanistan (providing helicopters to the Afghan army, training drug police officers, etc.). Commenting on possible scenarios for the development of events in Afghanistan after 2014, Alexander Grushko ruled out the possibility of any kind of military presence of Russia in Afghanistan, making it clear that Moscow is more interested in the problem of ensuring the security of the borders of Afghanistan with the republics of Central Asia.

Commenting on the results of the meetings in Brussels, Omar Nessar, director of the Center for the Study of Modern Afghanistan (CICA), noted that a new platform has actually appeared where Russian and NATO experts can exchange views and develop general recommendations regarding the Afghan problem hub: “Meetings at NATO headquarters and in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Alliance were held not only in the form of briefings by NATO officials, but also as a presentation of assessments of Russian experts. These assessments, by the way, did not always coincide, and there were almost more disputes between Russians than with NATO members. However, this, in my opinion, only makes mutual communication more valuable. ”
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 5 October 2013 15: 40 New
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    "NATO's main achievement in Afghanistan is the destruction of the infrastructure of international terrorist organizations, primarily Al-Qaeda:"
    the main achievement of Nata is to increase the amount of drugs, and, accordingly, the amount of dough. the rest is a screen
    1. Very old
      Very old 5 October 2013 16: 03 New
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      In the title of the article, the answer to the main question: we have already established DEMOCRACY! the rest does not concern us, we are up to the bulb!
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 5 October 2013 16: 39 New
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        and all the same they * will leave ... bully
    2. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 5 October 2013 19: 15 New
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      Most importantly, NATO has resumed guerrilla warfare. which died down after the exit of the Soviet troops. NATO has stepped up the war in Afghanistan. And what will happen in this country after the withdrawal of the "peacekeepers" from the country, Allah alone knows. One thing is clear: America and NATO, by their actions, planted a bomb in the region for many years ...
      1. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 6 October 2013 09: 27 New
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        Ivanitch, Good morning !!! I completely agree with you !!! I studied history well at school. The experience of world history shows that violence gives rise to new violence !!! New generations have grown up who do not know what peace work is. The British had been trying to enslave Afghanistan for 200 years, but in 1919 they realized the futility of their attempts and left there. The main trouble of Afghanistan is a huge number of nationalities leading a tribal life, that is, the elders of the tribes decided and decide. They practically didn’t agree with each other they know how and do not want. Attempts to change the system of relations in Afghanistan led and lead to sad consequences, wars !!!
        1. Rusich51
          Rusich51 6 October 2013 12: 44 New
          +3
          The ignoramuses gathered in Brussels and share the skin of an unkilled bear. With their moronic actions, they achieve the opposite effect. The rise of Wahhabism fostered by the West and they themselves will be swept away.
    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 5 October 2013 19: 44 New
      +9
      Quote: andrei332809
      "NATO's main achievement in Afghanistan is the destruction of the infrastructure of international terrorist organizations, primarily Al-Qaeda:"
      the main achievement of Nata is to increase the amount of drugs, and, accordingly, the amount of dough. the rest is a screen

      Al Qaeda is a division of the CIA; have the Yankees dispersed the CIA?
      The main objective of the Yankees in Afghanistan is penetration and consolidation in Central Asia at the borders of the former USSR.
      1. SAG
        SAG 6 October 2013 03: 47 New
        -2
        Your statement does not stand up to criticism! Why settle down at the non-existent borders of the former state, and even plus this lead to hostilities with losses for yourself and the cost of airborne transport of equipment, if you can gain a foothold much closer to the borders of Russia by spending much less effort and money ????????? ????
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 6 October 2013 08: 29 New
          +3
          Quote: SAG
          Your statement does not stand up to criticism! Why settle down at the non-existent borders of the former state, and even plus this lead to hostilities with losses for yourself and the cost of airborne transport of equipment, if you can gain a foothold much closer to the borders of Russia by spending much less effort and money ????????? ????

          You probably have a poor understanding of the text without explanation, focus on minor details. Main "penetration and consolidation in Central Asia". Where else can the Yankees infiltrate Central Asia?
          In Afghanistan, the Yankees don’t give a damn about the Taliban’s interests in Afghanistan, except for the bombing of civilians by drones.
          The former USSR is not so former, the whole structure and all borders have been preserved, with few exceptions, and the new administrative division is not at all difficult to cancel and the Yankees understand this very well, unlike you, and therefore climb to the borders of the former USSR.
          The United States will do everything possible to prevent the development of closer economic and political ties between the former republics of the Soviet Union, which will invariably lead to the restoration of the USSR in one form or another. This was in an interview with the Financial Times by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
          1. SAG
            SAG 15 October 2013 07: 30 New
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            What are you sculpting for me?
            The former USSR is not so former, the whole structure and all borders have been preserved, with few exceptions, and the new administrative division is not at all difficult to cancel and the Yankees understand this very well, unlike you, and therefore climb to the borders of the former USSR.
            if they are as perceptive and "smart" as you, then they should also have an understanding that in modern economic realities they have no more than 2 years left to exist, then they will have to return home without options, then it makes sense to gain a foothold, where either there is no a priori, especially in Afghanistan (without money, they will simply cut everyone out)
            I also dropped the topic of the "American military center" in the Shorabad area, the Aini and Manas airfields.
            In Afghanistan, the Yankees don’t give a damn about the Taliban’s interests in Afghanistan, except for the bombing of civilians by drones.
            According to the US and UK defense ministries, as well as the independent Internet site iCasualties.org, as of October 13, 2013, the combat and non-combat losses of the international coalition during Operation Enduring Freedom (mainly in Afghanistan) amounted to 3 military personnel who died.
    4. Constantine
      Constantine 6 October 2013 12: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      the main achievement of Nata is to increase the amount of drugs, and, accordingly, the amount of dough. the rest is a screen


      Well, they drove al-Qaeda militants further south. In general, the shepherds overtook the herd to a new location. To Syria and adjacent territories.
    5. rexby63
      rexby63 6 October 2013 14: 34 New
      +5
      That's right. The military ensured a continuous cycle of production and sales of gerych, lowered the cost of the product, making it thereby competitive with the products of Colombian manufacturers. An additional plus - no need to spend money on a military presence in Medellin, as it was during our presence in Afghanistan and all their rotten schemes were destroyed
  2. alexng
    alexng 5 October 2013 15: 46 New
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    The main achievement of the National American Terrorist Organization in Afghanistan is the development of global technology of lies and hypocrisy.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 5 October 2013 15: 55 New
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    According to the events in Syria, a decline in Islamic radicalism has not been noticed.
  4. Altona
    Altona 5 October 2013 15: 55 New
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    Real goals are exactly the opposite of words ... Drug trafficking has grown by leaps and bounds, and jihadists will not go anywhere, they multiply by budding and grow like mushrooms after rain, just whistle ...
    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 16: 52 New
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      Altona
      Especially hypocritical amid the fact that everything is fine. wonderful marquise sound statements. that Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan will not be able to defend themselves against jihadists. Well, if you don’t have jihadists in Agan, then who can these countries protect their borders from?
    2. alone
      alone 5 October 2013 18: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Real goals are exactly the opposite of words ... Drug trafficking has grown by leaps and bounds, and jihadists will not go anywhere, they multiply by budding and grow like mushrooms after rain, just whistle ...


      and it is not surprising that their number is growing like mushrooms after the rain. After the crimes that the Americans committed in Afghanistan and Iraq, even recruiters and a jihadist preacher do not even have to bother. All those who have claims to amers are united under the banners of jihadists
  5. My address
    My address 5 October 2013 15: 57 New
    +9
    Trampled where they could have spoiled, mission accomplished!
  6. Siberian
    Siberian 5 October 2013 16: 07 New
    +5
    I wanted to talk about drugs that goes to us, but everything has been said above. And the Taliban, as they were, have remained, only quite a bit lurking.
    1. smile
      smile 5 October 2013 16: 53 New
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      Siberian
      Yes. in my opinion, on the contrary, they just legalized, won’t negotiate, fair elections ... :)))
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 5 October 2013 17: 05 New
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        smile

        Rather, it is. There are no disputes. hi
  7. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 5 October 2013 16: 17 New
    +8
    As soon as the Americans precisely leave Afghanistan, then khan Karzu, like Najibule. Afghans do not need either socialism or democracy, they would have supplied more weapons, and all kinds of nishtyaks there.
  8. major071
    major071 5 October 2013 16: 25 New
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    It was smooth on paper, but again the gullies were not taken into account.
    “The Taliban, although they enjoy some support from part of the Afghans, are nevertheless not able to seize power in Afghanistan either now or after 2014, when NATO forces will withdraw the bulk of their units from the country. This is primarily due to the fact that the Taliban offer a medieval regime for Afghanistan, unpopular among Afghans. ”

    Lies and again lies. If Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, a supporter of bin Laden, wants to run for president of Afghanistan, then what kind of destruction of al-Qaeda can be discussed? Destroyed infrastructure. A whole generation of people has grown up who, apart from the war and the cultivation of drugs, have not seen anything. We have spoiled you here, we’ll leave soon, and you’ll clean up the piles after us. The lying jackals. IMHO. soldier
  9. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 5 October 2013 16: 38 New
    +7
    If you analyze the world media about the situation in Afghanistan. then we can conclude: Karzai’s power extends to Kabul (and even then not to the roof) and to the garrisons where the NATO troops are located. One can imagine what will happen when NATO leaves. And in the article there is one silence and grace. The position of Russian experts is of interest. Everyone agrees. Unclear...
    1. borisjdin1957
      borisjdin1957 5 October 2013 18: 52 New
      +2
      from the Don.
      All right, that on the forehead, and on the forehead, they will defend their line-: Everything is fine, a beautiful marquise:! But in fact, after us, at least the grass does not grow!
    2. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 5 October 2013 19: 06 New
      +4
      No one answered my question ... NATO invited the Russians to cover their defeat in Afghanistan. And ours assent to them ... Stupid and shameful.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 5 October 2013 21: 30 New
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      Quote: Ivanovich47
      If you analyze the world media about the situation in Afghanistan. then we can conclude: Karzai’s power extends to Kabul (and even then not to the roof) and to the garrisons where the NATO troops are located. One can imagine what will happen when NATO leaves. And in the article there is one silence and grace. The position of Russian experts is of interest. Everyone agrees. Unclear...


      Russian experts are guessing at the coffee grounds, because only on October 10 in Bishkek will be held International Conference on the Situation in Afghanistan There are invited politicians at the ministerial level, secretaries general of international organizations, special representatives of the UN, EU, OSCE, NATO, SCO, CSTO, CIS general secretaries, as well as special envoys for Afghanistan and ambassadors accredited in Kyrgyzstan. After the results of this conference, there will be food for thought and analysis.
      Well, the Americans are dissatisfied with Karzai, his decision to suspend negotiations on the Security Agreement is inclined to the zero option when there is not a single American soldier left in Afghanistan, following the example of Iraq, who, after the defeat of Hussein, was left to his own devices and the Sunni-Shiite civil war broke out there. IN SITUATION With Afghanistan, in this case, events can go according to the Syrian scenario with all the ensuing consequences.
      That is, now, in fact, there is one question. - Will the Americans leave the troops completely or leave the contingent in the amount of 9-10 thousand people.
  10. pensioner
    pensioner 5 October 2013 16: 55 New
    +5
    When they run out of money there, then solemn reports about the achieved goals and bright ones immediately begin. almost fabulous prospects of the next "de-democratic" country. And they know how to furnish themselves. From the pre-election rallies of supporters of the next presidential candidate in America, even tears me through crying .
  11. vahatak
    vahatak 5 October 2013 17: 04 New
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    findings:
    1. NATO will leave, but not quite, well, that is, it won’t leave at all, it’ll simply not be responsible for anything,
    2. The Taliban will not come to power, well, that is, the Constitution is there, Karzai is bad, but the Taliban have some kind of support and they must work within the framework of the Constitution, (and if the Taliban win the election, then what? Will the results really falsify ? ah, ah, ah, ah, ah)
    3. Al-Qaeda was almost destroyed, that is, they killed Bin Laden (???), and everyone else is still alive and even wants to seize power in Syria, but this is not connected with Afghanistan, everything is OK there,
    4. “The fundamental goal of NATO in Afghanistan was to prevent this country from becoming a haven for international terrorism. And this goal has been achieved ”, that is, the goal was not achieved immediately and not quite as planned and not quite in Afghanistan. In short, international terrorism has moved to Syria. Only local terrorism remained in Afghanistan.
    Didn’t miss anything?
    Oh yes: "We are not responsible for drug trafficking." there will be no "but"
    1. Airman
      Airman 5 October 2013 17: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: vahatak
      Speaking about the Afghan drug problem, Alexander Vershbow said that "NATO is unlikely to be the leading organization that will fight drugs in Afghanistan, especially after 2014 of the year."

      Therefore, if Russia is concerned about drug trafficking from Afghanistan, it will have to solve the problem on its own. But since now the fight against drug trafficking is conducted only on paper, the flow of drugs will only increase.
  12. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 5 October 2013 17: 26 New
    +9
    NATO is confident that they have fully fulfilled their mission in Afghanistan!

    And who would doubt it !!!

    What is NATO democracy?

    The Financial Times (UK):

    “We were also very happy when we learned that by capturing sovereign countries, dropping bombs on peaceful cities, imprisoning and hanging national leaders, NATO is by no means committing military aggression, but just asserting democracy and the rule of law. This is nothing that NATO confirms them with the help of bombs. How else can the military bloc affirm democracy and the rule of law? Charters? "

    Remember Krylov's fable "The Wolf and the Lamb", there is the last phrase of the wolf: "You are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat," said and dragged the lamb into the dark forest. This is how America does it.
  13. igordok
    igordok 5 October 2013 17: 28 New
    +8
    The guarantee of the Taliban’s non-return to power, according to Vershbow, is the Afghan national security forces - the army and the police. “Today there is an increase in the number of Afghan security forces, which are beginning to enjoy the great support of the country's population.

    Smiled. laughing
    In my opinion, the country of Afghanistan exists, but the state of Afghanistan has never been. On the territory (not state) of Afghanistan there are many tribes who are alien to some kind of power. If there is no STATE, then it is not possible to subordinate it. Neither the British, nor Russian, nor NATO (Americans).
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 5 October 2013 17: 43 New
      +8
      Quote: igordok
      In my opinion, the country of Afghanistan exists, but the state of Afghanistan has never been. On the territory (not state) of Afghanistan there are many tribes who are alien to some kind of power.
      good hi So I thought so. But I did not find the words I needed. Again hi mine the entire border of Afghanistan with the Tajiks, bombard all "hot" places from drones, so that they would not even have a thought to climb to the North. Yes. Expensive. But that's the only way. there is no hope for Tajiks guarding the border. Absolutely.
  14. washi
    washi 5 October 2013 18: 41 New
    +5
    NATO is confident that they have fully completed their mission in Afghanistan
    Of course they did.
    We drove out the Taliban, with whom we had an agreement. Destroyed agriculture, instead creating the production of drugs. They will leave behind the drug mafia and PMCs to control them. That's the whole "democratization"
    1. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 6 October 2013 09: 40 New
      +1
      Vasily, Good afternoon !!! I completely agree with you. With the Americans, drug production in Afghanistan has grown tenfold. NATO has not and will not defeat the Taliban !!! To achieve this, it is necessary: ​​1. to stop the delivery of acetic anhydride to Afghan territory (without this component is almost impossible to manufacture drugs !!!) 2. respect the laws and customs that have developed over the centuries in Afghanistan; 3. work with agents, pay agents; presumably, the Taliban are not fools either, they generously supply their agents with money; and the Americans and their NATO allies began to act like an elephant in a china shop !!! and results !!!
  15. varov14
    varov14 5 October 2013 19: 01 New
    +2
    It was smooth on paper, and what kind of retail between the Taliban and jihadists - radish horseradish is not sweeter. Yes, and our experts are probably from their liberals. Although the NATO is not hiding that it is Russia that will have to slurp a full spoon. Cover little by little. But our borders are wide open, now migrant workers travel in thousands, extremists will soon trample.
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  17. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 5 October 2013 19: 29 New
    +5
    Although the North Atlantic Alliance intends to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan, however, Vershbow and other headquarters officials prefer not to talk about stopping, but about “transforming” the Afghan NATO mission. “Operation Reliable Support, which we are launching, is a new form of NATO participation in Afghanistan’s affairs after 2014. We are not leaving Afghanistan, we are only changing the form of support for the Afghans, ”the NATO Deputy Secretary General stressed.

    Lies, all the military bases of USA and NATO remain in Afghanistan near the borders with Tajikistan and Turkmenistan.
    A new form of participation is the bombing of Afghanistan without the participation of USA ground forces and the vile rabble of reptiles like Poles and other Georgians.
    No Al-Qaeda of the Yankees was interested, they themselves created it and completely control it, their goal is to consolidate their presence in Central Asia.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 6 October 2013 22: 12 New
      +1
      Corsair5912 (4) SU Yesterday, 19:29 _131005 / sub No Al-Qaeda of the Yankees was interested, they themselves created it and completely control it, their goal is to consolidate their presence in Central Asia.

      Good afternoon, dear Nikolai!

      With this your statement .......... The West against the USSR, which began as early as the 70s, we can only agree.

      I’ll add on my own that no matter how shouted “our rotten human rights defenders” of the 90s and 2000s, and we ourselves mistakenly did not support the fact that Brezhnev sent troops to Afghanistan in 1979, saying that he went about the “games” of Western intelligence agencies, that he made a mistake, now decades later, it is clear that, yes, the USSR was "pecked at a bait", but there was no other choice.
      Yes, our losses in Afghanistan were large, and the Afghan syndrome in society was ill for a long time.
      But now, after the departure of the “united * peacekeepers” from Afghanistan in 2014, the Afghans themselves, comparing the goals and affairs of the USSR and the West, say that after us there were hospitals, factories, roads, airfields, our fighters and officers were respected by dushmans. Well, now before the departure of the West, there remains only a generation of warriors, sowers and sellers of opium ...
    2. Arabist
      Arabist 6 October 2013 22: 16 New
      +2
      That's about completely controlling, I think you're not quite right. Yes, and Primakov does not believe that the al-Qaida militants are an obedient weapon.
  18. VadimSt
    VadimSt 5 October 2013 20: 00 New
    +5
    It’s not clear, is this information or an attempt to tell how well NATO did everything in Afghanistan? Who did Sirenko represent at this meeting - Russia or an independent expert from Volgograd?
    Its proximity, on the same page as Novodvorskaya, confuses me, to put it mildly -http: //newtimes.ru/articles/detail/67267/
  19. konvalval
    konvalval 5 October 2013 21: 02 New
    +3
    Americans always think about one thing, say the second, and do the third and only for their own benefit.
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 5 October 2013 21: 16 New
    +1
    NATO and a company wishing to join this booth are trying to make a good face with a bad game. The people of Afghanistan will never tolerate imposed rulers. And the Karzai Americans brought and put him in the chair of the ruler. The Americans will leave, Karzai will also leave ... Who will be? Taliban Vizier. I think there will be much more order.
  21. Grbear
    Grbear 5 October 2013 21: 16 New
    +2
    The group in the photo reminds me of our tourists between two buffets with pivasik (all inclusive). And who authorized them to participate in NATO discussions? If nobody is "experts" of Russian origin and nothing more.

    In general, the failure of the mission is clear to everyone. They know how to make a "good face" or they try. Not a single A knows what will happen next ... But one should not expect anything good for Russia.
  22. alexander 2
    alexander 2 6 October 2013 03: 07 New
    +1
    Of course they did! Drug production was increased hundreds of times! And the massacre there will now be more than a dozen years old!
  23. Koronik
    Koronik 6 October 2013 06: 04 New
    +1
    We have already gone through all this when we tried to build socialism in Afghanistan, now the construction of a "democratic" society. In half a year, a maximum of a year, Afghanistan, with a huge amount of weapons and drugs, will be at war with each other and with its neighbors. Since more, its inhabitants do not know how to do anything.
  24. sashka
    sashka 6 October 2013 09: 02 New
    +2
    The Balts, Poland, and Georgia defeated al-Qaeda. Sounds menacing .. Who's next in line? , Come out, we will butt ... butt like this, but what about yelling in the ass .. anecdote about the Gorynych snake ..
  25. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 6 October 2013 10: 21 New
    +1
    The fact that the Americans are going to transfer after 2014, according to US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, 80% of the territory to the Afghan security forces, looks at least strange. The combat readiness of the Afghan military has not changed dramatically for the better over the past year, and is unlikely to change over the next two. Many influential forces in the United States themselves oppose the preservation of the American contingent, and the NATO allies, if they are ready to revise the schedule for the withdrawal of their units, it is only in the direction of its acceleration. (Yu.B. Shcheglovin "Afghanistan: Prospects for the Development of the Situation")

    NATO allies believe the Taliban will no longer come to power. They are trying to pass off wishful thinking. In reality, they are so "stuck" in Afghanistan that they want to get out of there as soon as possible while "saving their face." The Taliban still have great authority:
    1) reliance on the religious ideology of the people.
    2) the ability to conduct tangible resistance to guerrilla and terrorist methods, increasing its intensity.
    3) the spread of military and judicial presence far beyond its base and control.
    A heterogeneous and fairly stable Afghan society will not accept any attempts to create a "coalition" by its allies (led by the United States) to fight al-Qaeda, since it is an enemy of the West. Most likely, a coalition of struggle against the foreign invaders themselves is possible. And the remaining small contingent of the US Army to defend Kabul is waiting for a sad ending, you have to flee like from Vietnam sometime, or very similar.
  26. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 6 October 2013 11: 36 New
    +3
    All the goals of NATO, no doubt, have been achieved. Fields taken from tribes, traffic control taken from old Asian and newer Chinese cartels. At the same time, the cash flows from the drug trade were finally able to wrest from the hands of the British, who had gigantic profits from there for centuries.
    The production of drugs, low-power and artisanal, was transferred to industrial rails, the output of the product increased hundreds of times. New ways of distribution and transportation - just a revolution! There is something to be proud of - direct regular deliveries to Europe with whole military aircraft - this has never happened before. It was possible, of course, to hit Russia hard. The local "experts" believe that we get a part of what is transported to Europe, such crumbs ... children, damn it, pants with straps ...
    Whoever seized "power" there, Afghanistan will no longer play an independent role in anything. The drug industry has become so enormous that small volumes by its standards completely evaporate the entire active population. Any politician who, by some miracle, announced himself there, can be instantly washed away by a wave of dope. No risk in anything. What are the Taliban now? Its end. And powerful military bases will continue to monitor so that the output of foolishness grows and the interests of the NATO owner are respected in the future. Profit!
  27. APASUS
    APASUS 6 October 2013 14: 32 New
    +1
    The withdrawal of NATO forces from Afghanistan will not help the Taliban regain power in this country after 2014. The Afghan political situation is unlikely to undergo noticeable changes after the decline in the level of Western military presence near the Hindu Kush,
    Self-lulling thoughts, they repeat themselves and believe! Madhouse !!
  28. Papania
    Papania 6 October 2013 16: 29 New
    +3
    Yes, neither did they get there. And the whole wave will go to the southern border. As far as I know, there is nothing to beat us off. So, the bros surrendered to us with a silent glanders ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 6 October 2013 20: 52 New
      +2
      +100500 !!! The mattresses with guano footmen in an Afghan tub tumbled and the yeast was thrown there.
  29. Ivan Denikin
    Ivan Denikin 6 October 2013 17: 47 New
    +3
    What hypocrisy! A "mighty" bunch has gathered that think they can decide the fate of other states and entire nations, which are older than all the NATO powers put together. But the opposite is true in Afghanistan. According to recent reports, the so-called coalition forces are suffering serious losses. For Afghans, even if they are Taliban, this war is sacred - for the Motherland, but what is it for these - connoisseurs of peace and democracy around the world? This is a real intervention. Obama Barakich, a Nobel Prize seeker, should be ashamed of his own and NATO's actions in foreign territories, in particular in Afghanistan. According to the latest reports, the Taliban are recapturing their territories and are close to victory. So the NATO rhetoric is appropriate - to blur the eyes of the world community and withdraw the troops, if not in disgrace, then to the bluff of their fanfare. This is history, but history, apparently, did not teach these idiots anything: whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword! This proverb is just the right thing and is very relevant for Afghanistan.
  30. 31231
    31231 6 October 2013 18: 50 New
    +3
    The Taliban, although they enjoy some support from part of the Afghans, are nevertheless not able to seize power in Afghanistan, either now or after 2014,


    If NATO is confident in local hunhuz that it will not leave them military equipment there ?!
    One can only benefit from this conclusion of the NATO contingent: some of the radicals from Syria will go to war with the fragile Karzenes.
  31. yurii p
    yurii p 6 October 2013 20: 36 New
    +2
    "NATO is confident that they have fully fulfilled their mission in Afghanistan" --- well, how they plowed the fields, planted poppies, established traffic to Russia, the whole mission was completed, well done, just forgot to establish traffic in syshya.
  32. samoletil18
    samoletil18 6 October 2013 21: 26 New
    +2
    Statements by NATO resemble what was heard from Soviet sources in 1987-89. Do they have any adjustment there?
  33. Horn
    Horn 7 October 2013 06: 26 New
    +1
    Well now, to them, to say that yes, they say, crap in full, or what? This is the basis of the Anglo-Saxon policy: never admit your mistakes!
    1. alexander 2
      alexander 2 9 October 2013 02: 31 New
      0
      The mistake due to which people die is called "crime".
      1. Horn
        Horn 9 October 2013 17: 40 New
        0
        Crime is when the killer is weak. And when the killer is strong, and even the rhetoric is that these are "humanitarian killings", with the aim of imposing democracy ... Then it is not a murder, like ...
  34. From
    From 7 October 2013 10: 01 New
    +1
    A thought like a Jesuit torments my brain. Under the Taliban, drug production in Afghanistan was declining. The world and the Russian Federation tolerate the medieval legislation of the gulf monarchies. If the Taliban leadership had been promised something from the Russian Federation in exchange for a significant reduction in the flow of drugs to Russia itself (with compensation for the transit of goods to Geyropa), would this have turned out to be good for the Russian population? But there is danger. The person who received the gift may withdraw from the arrangement (or out of control). Like Hitler, who received offers from Henderson, but then got out from under Chamberlain's influence.