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“The course of the warrior of Allah” against the “courses for improving utilities and housing literacy”. Why the state loses educational wars

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“The course of the warrior of Allah” against the “courses for improving utilities and housing literacy”. Why the state loses educational warsA few days ago, the investigation into the high-profile case of the so-called. "Novosibirsk Jamaat". Investigators were able to gather materials that allow them to bring charges of banditry and organizing an illegal armed group. Where did Wahhabis in Siberia come from, why Russian young people are recorded as terrorists, and why this is our state’s fault - we’ll analyze it below.


Islamic terrorism with a Slavic face

Back in the spring of 2012 in Novosibirsk, operatives covered a gang of Wahhabis engaged in robberies and robberies. Extremist literature and an entire arsenal were seized from the detainees. weapons - pistols, machine guns, grenades, grenade launcher, ammunition, explosives. The gang broke, so to speak, out of ideological motives. All its participants attributed themselves to radical Islamists, and part of the loot was sent to the North Caucasus to finance the terrorist underground. In total, according to the investigators, the “Siberian Wahhabis” suffered damage of several tens of millions of rubles. How many of them were forwarded to the “Forest Brothers” is not specified.

But perhaps the most remarkable thing about this stories - The fact that all the detainees were Russian by nationality. In addition, they are quite young: the oldest - 39 years, the youngest - 20. And there is something to speculate about.

In general, the involvement of Russian culture in extremist activities under the slogans of radical Islam is no longer news. This is a well-established and sad trend - a local one, of course. But the trend.

The first recalls Alexander Tikhomirov, who became known as Said Buryat or Abu Saad Said al-Buryati. A simple guy from Ulan-Ude, a student of a Buddhist datsan, who at one of the stages of growing up converted to Islam and began to preach his radical forms, becoming widely known. Later he moved to the North Caucasus, participated in the organization of many high-profile terrorist attacks, including the attempt on the current head of Ingushetia, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, and the bombing of the Nevsky Express. In 2010, the year was eliminated during the counterterrorist operation.

24-year-old Viktor (Abdullah) Dvorakovsky, who once fell under the influence of Russian imam Anton (Abdullah) Stepanenko, is now serving a 23-year sentence in a strict regime colony for preparing a terrorist act. The investigation failed to prove his involvement in the terrorist attacks in the Minsk metro and Domodedovo Moscow, but in some circles there is no doubt about it.

Vitaliy (Walid) Razdobudko and his wife Maria Khorosheva in 2011, undermined themselves in the Dagestan village of Gubden next to the police officers. As a result of this double terrorist attack, two people were killed and 25 policemen were injured. At this point, the terrorists were already wanted on suspicion of involvement in other murders.

Maxim (Muslim) Panarin and Pavel (Mohammed) Kosolapov participated in organizing terrorist attacks in Moscow in 2004 on the route between Avtozavodskaya and Paveletskaya stations (41 people died) and at the entrance to the Rizhskaya metro station (10 people died), as well as a number of other terrorist attacks.

There are many other examples of Islamic terrorism with a Slavic face.

Why do they kill

The author (on the rights of a still young man) is sure: the participants of the “Novosibirsk Jamaat” did not file themselves with Islamists for criminal reasons.

Simply, there is such a thing as an agonizing search for self-determination at a certain age. And it so happened that millions of our young citizens in this search are absolutely free today. They can freely choose their self-determination according to their inclinations - who is purely rational, who is hedonistic, and who is idealistic.

Well, if today a self-determined snowboarder, a Satanist, a party star, a bisexual, a home appliance salesman, an insurance agent and an entrepreneur are quite simple today, then on the market, relatively speaking, “serving ideas” is a lot of problems.

In some ways, we lack a distinct and effective institution of youth ministry from the state. Its functions are completely left to the initiative groups of citizens - and if this is just Greenpeace, then we can assume that the guys who came to them in search of self-determination were still lucky.

Because it can be a much less fluffy type of guru.

Of course, all this does not remove the guilt from the gang members. They are guilty and punished.

But all the same: they are forced to catch, punish and contain sudden Novosibirsk terrorists in the MLS that same state machine that gave them upbringing to the Islamists.

What were the recruiters able to offer to Novosibirsk pseudo-terrorists that the state did not give them? Well, firstly, involvement in the case, uniting a lot of people. The fact that these people are ready to die for the sake of such a thing gives it a special appeal and sacredness in the eyes of the boys. Secondly, they become part of a system in which they have chances for quick self-realization. Such a prospect, of course, is spinning and stupefying them. For example, the aforementioned Said Buryat - who would have become in his Buddhist datsan? And so his video messages were listened to by thousands of people and read almost as a prophet. Thirdly, it is an opportunity to feel like a man. So, the Novosibirsk Wahhabis regularly went to school shooting, engaged in hand-to-hand combat, had a rigid structure and discipline within the organization. It is more interesting for many than a tie and a pile of reports in a stuffy office.

There are, of course, negative effects, for example, the need to rob or kill their compatriots. All complexes on this score are quickly removed by professional recruiters and ideologists, as well as the fear of being killed or going to prison. You know, young people who are eager for self-realization, as a rule, have no fear of death at all, because unrealized potential torments them during their lives much more. As for the prison, it only gives them an aura of martyrdom, because they got into it, sort of like an idea. Indeed, radical Islam has already penetrated so deeply into the prison system that they feel comfortable there and even continue to preach, recruit and coordinate like-minded people in the wild.

That is, the offers of the system and the “anti-system” are so incomparable in terms of attractiveness for thirsty thirsty youths that it is somehow inconvenient to even compare them.

No politics policy

It is obvious that in order to keep young people from radicalizing, the state should put forward a counter, more attractive offer. One that would make you feel like a man, quickly self-actualize and feel involved in a great cause. But this is not.

Enough to go to the website of the Federal Agency for Youth Affairs "Rosmolodezh" to see what hopeless longing reigns in our youth policy. It seems that the people involved in it have never been young. It is no different to explain that the measures they are proposing to improve utilities, literacy and entrepreneurship are not at all interesting for the average 15-year-old. Yes, I would have died from such a lecture even now.

Unfortunately, the system does not create and does not even try to create a self-realization mechanism for the younger generation.

This is not only our problem, it has hit many countries. For example, in the Arab and African past years, it has provoked multi-million protests and a change of political regimes. It hardly threatens us, since we do not have so many young people and, moreover, their number inexorably falls.

However, this only exacerbates the risk of its radicalization. This is not just a lack of prospects, it is the prospect that tomorrow young people will be even more burdened with care for the elderly, even more constrained by material and demoralized.

And if, honestly, one can somehow put up with liberal policies in the economy, hoping that “they understand better there,” then you can not put up with liberal policies in the youth team (resulting from such in the economy, however) . Because you do not need to have a degree in order to understand a simple thing: young people thrown on the field of “war for education” are a disaster for the state in the near future.

I am afraid that all these Victoras-Walids are only the beginning of problems that will grow like a snowball. Initially, the normal Russian guys will continue to fall into the hands of extremists, kill their brothers - and there is not enough intelligence forces to catch them all. Because this problem is systemic and it is necessary to solve it systemically - to revive patriotic education (with specific examples), to lead a person from birth to full development as a person (in a particular activity). Nobody, of course, except the state, can fulfill this task nationwide.

But the state persistently ignores this task, as if it is not our youth at all.

It may be that it will happen soon.

Unless the government gathers strength and instead of the goal “to strain as little as possible itself” does not put any other, common to the whole country and real.
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  1. alone
    alone 4 October 2013 15: 30
    11
    radicals are spreading their ideas and thoughts more and more. Solving this alone is becoming more and more difficult. To overcome this, the letter of the laws must act. Otherwise, they will create many troubles.
    1. Guun
      Guun 4 October 2013 15: 40
      13
      I agree. Now our youth in Kazakhstan has split into two groups - traditional movements and radicals (the second ones became much smaller after the adoption of countermeasures), it is terrifying that most radicals do not listen to anyone other than foreign breakers, only a few in prison listen to the voice of reason. but it is also encouraging that traditional Islam displaces the radicals - in a quiet but progress on the face.
      1. Orik
        Orik 4 October 2013 17: 27
        +5
        what is terrifying is that most radicals do not listen to anyone other than foreign breakers

        Who pays, they listen.
        1. Kolya
          Kolya 4 October 2013 19: 35
          +6
          Patriotic education is blocked by the media, which are all controlled by oligarchs.
  2. Guun
    Guun 4 October 2013 15: 35
    11
    It is urgent to hold events in mosques and educational institutions where the mufti or imam explains the basics, where the lies are and where the truth is and who such radicals are and cruel control over the places of sale of literature. Tighten the punishment as much as possible. To publish literature with the content of traditional Islam, an explanation of religions. In Kazakhstan, we succeeded, we see the fruits - more young people in mosques listen to the imam and not the agitator from Egypt.
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 4 October 2013 15: 36
    +4
    Quote: lonely
    radicals are spreading their ideas and thoughts more and more. Solving this alone is becoming more and more difficult. To overcome this, the letter of the laws must act. Otherwise, they will create many troubles.


    I agree. To pretend that there is no problem does not mean to get rid of the problem. Legal tools are needed, otherwise there will be stakes instead.
    1. Guun
      Guun 4 October 2013 15: 42
      +5
      If left to chance, after a couple of years, with generous support from the west, the Chechen Campaign will seem like a kindergarten.
  4. domokl
    domokl 4 October 2013 15: 47
    15
    I completely agree with the author on the education of the state by the state. If before the child practically did not leave the field of view of the state from the day nursery until the end of military service, now only the army remains. The rest of the child’s formation is on the street. not to feed the kids. And nobody wants to help in the upbringing.
    There are no children and youth organizations. Some similar ones to pioneers and Komsomol members are in their infancy. Sports sections are expensive and, for many, an incredible pleasure.
    Hence the problems of extremism, drug addiction, drunkenness, vagrancy, etc.
  5. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 4 October 2013 15: 51
    +5
    The upbringing of a person by the state is a very important thing. It is necessary that the people of the younger generation should have patriotism, internationalism, self-sacrifice and of course good health and a sober mind. In the USSR there was a program of educating a person by the state. And we all know how this program worked well. And now ? Wahhabis, nationalists and all sorts of dregs of society are growing.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 4 October 2013 17: 16
      +2
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      .And now? Wahhabis, nationalists and all sorts of dregs of society are growing.

      Well, for this "thanks" not only to the state, but also to the parents who were not involved in raising a child, and then, in order to catch up, they simply indulged him in everything, raising a loser. And a loser with ambitions will go anywhere, even to the Wahhabis, even to the Nazis, even to the “progressive intelligentsia,” wanting to radically change everything except himself.
      1. gorez
        gorez 4 October 2013 18: 05
        +4
        To blame everything on the parent, he himself needs to be educated. Therefore, the state will not succeed in tearing up educational functions. Democrats tried to do this and got what they got. Under capitalism, the state will not engage in upbringing, because an educated person is a burden to him, is not needed.
      2. Dyukha Siberian
        Dyukha Siberian 4 October 2013 19: 05
        +5
        what do you tell your parents to do? even raise one child, both parents have to work hard! indulged? in the family of hard workers? why? grandmothers bring up hard workers, parents plow! maybe their grandmothers are doing Wahhabis? and do you think a child from such a family is a loser in absentia? with such judgments we will go far!
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 5 October 2013 16: 47
          0
          Quote: Dyukha Siberian
          and what do you command your parents to do? even raise one child, both parents have to work hard! indulged? in the family of hard workers? why?

          Yes, h-li, you also have to have time to guln, of course, offspring are being whipped up to the grandmother. What, right? I don’t generalize to the parents’ account, the parent himself, but if you fold everything to one state, too, you know, we won’t go far.
  6. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 4 October 2013 15: 51
    11
    Among the total number of people there is a certain percentage of permanent revolutionaries. With the right approach to their education and training, they make first-class intelligence and saboteurs. It is a pity that not our state is engaged in their preparation.
  7. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 4 October 2013 16: 00
    +8
    Yes, in this particular case, Islam is generally just a screen, in fact it is banal bandits, and like all bandits of lawless people they must be killed, it is useless to judge them.
    1. Guun
      Guun 4 October 2013 16: 03
      +6
      The main thing is to chop off the head of the carcass to the snake itself will die - but this is a difficult task, the pros are sent there. And the viper is located on Capitol Hill - the white house is called.
    2. alone
      alone 4 October 2013 22: 10
      +4
      correctly say. These people have nothing to do with religion. They are banal behind the religion to justify their crimes. Not one monotheistic religion does not justify suicide.
  8. EGORKA
    EGORKA 4 October 2013 16: 11
    +3
    They converted to Islam, you live, but in order to do what they all needed to be sick for the whole head, okay, there a person is admissible from Afghanistan from a remote village, which is not literate with all the ensuing consequences, but these ... this clinic. So there is no excuse.
  9. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 4 October 2013 16: 29
    +3
    The third priority vacuum will be instantly filled by elements of a hostile system that will take control.
    Where is the state ideology?
    So, they themselves are to blame, either to change the constitution, or soon we will sit in ruins like the Syrians.
    And there is no one to blame - only for yourself.
  10. Arthur 775
    Arthur 775 4 October 2013 16: 31
    +7
    Yes, what kind of educational work from the state, you can even talk about, everything decent from the Union collapsed, and now they come up with a bicycle.

    No idea, no goal, no system. Look at Dimon about what and how he speaks (this is an "iPhone" he learns from the Internet for his life in Russia "there are no words simply".)

    Thank God there are still educators and there are healthy families who are engaged in raising the younger
    generations (and not a few of them), thanks to them the adversaries of us and our Motherland will not break!
    Glory to Russia!
  11. Ash
    Ash 4 October 2013 16: 38
    +2
    The state loses them because it is interested in it.
    1. Guun
      Guun 4 October 2013 16: 48
      +2
      In what? What would be repeated what happened in Libya and is now happening in Syria? I don’t believe in that. Just overlooked.
  12. Taoist
    Taoist 4 October 2013 16: 51
    +7
    "And in the basements and semi-basements, the kids wanted under the tanks,
    They did not even get the pool ... Time is rumor. Live yes ...
    Do not dare or risk, but took a chance ... to make knives from files "(c)
    V.S. Vysotsky "Song of Childhood".

    Youth is always prone to maximalism and affectation - so it turns out not to be "hookers" or "terrorists" ... But there is no one to transfer this super-energy into a normal channel, and most importantly, not why ... There is no idea.
  13. Bort radist
    Bort radist 4 October 2013 16: 54
    +7
    In the 90 years they said that the school should only deal with education. Education without education is immoral. So we are reaping the benefits, so to speak. Quote "Where did the Wahhabis come from in Siberia,". About 10 years ago, in the distant Tisulsky district (Western Siberia), the chief of staff of one of the Chechen detachments was arrested. I also heard from a person, I think the information is true, a certain (not small) number of female martyrs from Nord Ost were registered in the Mariinsky district. (adjacent to Tisulsky). I’m sure they’re not just sitting on the crap in remote areas - propaganda, ......... A holy place is never empty. Education is now at the mercy of television and other means. Now some sort of shifts seem to be outlined, if not for patriots from former servicemen, Afghans, clubs of sailors, paratroopers, .... then it would have been bad at all.
    1. user
      user 4 October 2013 18: 12
      +4
      And the story is in Anzhero-Sudzhensk, Kemerovo region, where the police were trained in hand-to-hand combat like athletes, well, they also kept the roof there. This does not remind you of anything, but young people see all this and many have their own attitude to this. Everyone reacts in his own way, who leaves for Wahhabi. Young people have their own ideas about honesty and justice, all the more so, nothing shines ahead of many, they don’t live in Moscow, and the state excuse the problem of educating young people big and fat.
      And what result does it expect.
  14. Yeraz
    Yeraz 4 October 2013 17: 01
    +1
    So there are guys who are disgusted by the current way of behaving and values ​​in society, and having accepted Islam they not only end up in another world, but also want to change the world that is around them. But their truth is a very small number, but everything changes. Western thinking dominates, Orthodoxy is weak, but Islam is not, and it is fighting Western values ​​and will drag those who disagree with the current situation. The strongest wins.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 4 October 2013 17: 02
    +4
    Not only have we destroyed the entire educational system, so in Russia there is still no normal ideology, the same national idea. Pioneers and Komsomol members were replaced by uncles in black BMWs. New owners of life who are not averse to crime. Throwing money on cheap show-offs.
    In spite of all this, young people are going to realize themselves as advocates of justice under the leadership of the Wahhabis.
    Remember at least the "Primorsk partisans" among the boys were weak with ideology, but they would have had a competent agitator, the population would have supported them. And the Wahhabis have no problems with ideology and money
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 4 October 2013 17: 16
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      In place of the pioneers and Komsomol uncles came on a black BMW.

      Well, that's cool, in place of the leaders of the district committees and Komsomol organizations.
      Quote: APASUS
      "Primorsky partisans" would still be supported by the population.

      And their population was well supported, so they were caught for so long.
  16. Strashila
    Strashila 4 October 2013 17: 07
    +6
    It’s not radical Islam with a Russian face ... it’s a fusion of Islamic terrorists with local crime and there isn’t any religious background, the national criminal groups are working for them ... expansion of the garden, business and nothing more is required. what radical Islamists give and what crime gets on the ground ... simplified access to weapons and drugs, access to corrupt bureaucrats of various ranks any In past years, many of them went on business trips to the Caucasus not out of a sense of patriotism or official need ... they worked out the loot invested in them by national criminal groups, paid for their ranks with treason on business trips, and besides, it promoted promotion on the job ladder. To all this, the federal government contributes to this by actually paying and supporting the resettlement of radicals under the guise of various social programs.
  17. varov14
    varov14 4 October 2013 17: 12
    +5
    It seems that the system itself is sick and requires a radical update. Look, there is a debate on TV - do we need emigrants, not a day goes by as the head of government calls on Russians to prepare for layoffs, what should young people do? Apparently go to the action movies? Today Zyuganov speaks, we have 1 million km of pipes, as far as I understand water pipes, 70% are worn out. How can you wind up production? And so everywhere. Yes, our industry needs to be closed with an iron curtain and start to recover, and on oil dollars to buy the missing equipment and "electronic toys" for the "kids" until we learn to do it ourselves, and only then push the curtain apart, and even then not in a hurry.
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  19. EGORKA
    EGORKA 4 October 2013 17: 17
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    So there are guys who are disgusted by the current way of behaving and values ​​in society, and having accepted Islam they not only end up in another world, but also want to change the world that is around them. But their truth is a very small number, but everything changes. Western thinking dominates, Orthodoxy is weak, but Islam is not, and it is fighting Western values ​​and will drag those who disagree with the current situation. The strongest wins.


    There are many reverse examples from Islam that pass into other religions, well, only other religions, including Orthodoxy, do not have such radicals "recruiting" to Orthodoxy for this, the picture would be similar. As for these Russians, they were not necessarily believers and could to be dissatisfied with something, but they were educated enough, I think, to understand that the supposedly values ​​that are offered to them are far from traditional Islam and in general there are no examples in the world where these radical values ​​have brought people good, only destruction.
  20. New Russia
    New Russia 4 October 2013 17: 25
    +8
    And this is getting up from your knees? When stupid barbarians, like an infection, eat away at us from the inside, us, just 20 years ago, people of a great country and great culture? And the state does not give a damn, since there are enough idiots for whom another false promise to "revive" (Buran, Ekranoplanes, Aircraft carriers, 2300 tanks by 2020, emphasize the necessary) blocks the truth outside the window. Is it really not clear that the country is dying, and the state does not care? Where is there any policy regarding malicious propaganda? But there is no her! And not planned! Everything is stable. Wait for 2020, what if you're lucky, and the authorities will come to their senses? :) Everyone who defends this system is hoping for luck? But I don't want this for my children, every such news cuts me like a knife! It's boiling!
    "If only the authorities do not gather their strength and instead of the goal" to exert themselves as little as possible "does not set some other, common for the whole country and real." Yes, yes, we hope and believe! :) It will take it and turn 180 degrees suddenly :)
    1. gorez
      gorez 4 October 2013 18: 19
      +6
      Without changing the socio-political system, to act and believe is useless. Not for this, the Democrats betrayed, broke, sold the Great State, which could escape into space in 12 years after the war. And what is their achievement for more than 20 years ???
    2. Arabist
      Arabist 4 October 2013 18: 54
      0
      So what do you suggest?
  21. Navy7981
    Navy7981 4 October 2013 17: 30
    +6
    Leaving aside just believers and speaking of those who are converted to radicals from faith, this is the lack of education, weakened brain activity, the inability to see and find prospects (work), the envy of more successful neighbors, and the desire to solve all your problems at once and complexes, naturally at the expense of others.
    Try to get from them a clear explanation of the motives and goals of their struggle (war)? Is there at least one prosperous clerical state?
    Learning is a sin, using toilet paper is a sin, underwear is a sin, playing football is a sin, your beard is not like that - count! as if God cares about it. I’m ready to admit and believe in the existence of God - his name doesn’t matter, but he needs to lead the Universe, and here some nonsense take on the right of God to judge and punish others. To kill these, to rape, to take away everything from these because they are not like that. Clever, and we will tie you to a post and as a real man we will ban. And who will make mobile phones, planes, ships, grow food? Even if you know the holy book by heart, this knowledge does not help to grow bread, build houses, etc. It means that both slaves will have to grow and build. That’s the whole ideology, but it’s convenient and it’s not necessary to think - we are the navel of the earth, and the rest are wrong.
  22. Hauptam
    Hauptam 4 October 2013 17: 43
    +4
    What do you want? You live in an occupied country (only there are no checkpoints) Read the constitution and answer the following questions: - can Russia have an ideology (any) - NO.
    Is it possible to have a development strategy -NO
    Is it possible to pursue an independent economic policy-NO, to dispose of the property (nationwide) oil, gas, etc.-NO. Who is the PRESIDENT and what he can do is nothing. There is no head of state in Russia. Young people threw a bottle of beer (because they got drunk to the fill), which they received in return. What can we give them elders -NICHRENA. Let's look in the mirror and there we will see the cause of all the troubles. The generation that shaded the Motherland and did not realize this can not teach anything to their children. One good thing is that we are starting to think, but it would not be too late.
  23. IGS
    IGS 4 October 2013 17: 47
    +4
    Everything, of course, is true about upbringing, very true, but young people, part of them, have always been drawn to heroism, an example of "thug romance", any "official" substitution for this part will look "dreary". To one degree or another, it even depends more on the teacher, on his individual approach to each child. A good educator and "courses for improving housing and communal services literacy" will make it fascinating (judging by personal observations, wife is a teacher). And you also have to fight very hard with the "preachers". I remembered the sermon near the mosque, posted on YouTube, we need measures against those on whose territory this happened, and who admitted that this "preacher" stood quietly "sniffing" his ideas. Muslims have such a concept of "taqiyya" or "taqiyya", in almost all currents (renunciation in words, but not in the heart), therefore I do not really believe in the "official", "peaceful" preachers, I see in reality somewhat different, different from their words "about the world." It is necessary to set a tough, not cruel, condition "to figure it out for yourself," before it is too late, or even it will be "cruel", primarily for the Muslims themselves.
  24. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 4 October 2013 17: 55
    +4


    Simply, there is such a thing as an agonizing search for self-determination at a certain age. And it so happened that millions of our young citizens in this search are absolutely free today. They can freely choose their self-determination according to their inclinations - who is purely rational, who is hedonistic, and who is idealistic.
    It is obvious that in order to keep young people from radicalizing, the state should put forward a counter, more attractive offer. One that would make you feel like a man, quickly self-actualize and feel involved in a great cause. But this is not.

    Each people has normal people, patriots of their Fatherland, no matter what god they believe in or do not believe, but there is dirt, garbage, garbage, scum.
    The state represented by the government should have an official point of view on patriotism and religion, excluding any duality and options, then the youth will be equal to this.
    Our rulers have neither soul, nor religion, nor Fatherland, their vital interests are concentrated on the accumulation of dirty green papers with portraits of foreign thieves and fraudsters. As long as this scum will rule in Russia, there will be no peace and prosperity.
  25. voliador
    voliador 4 October 2013 18: 02
    +4
    To stop such incidents, it is necessary to revive the pre-school, and most importantly, extra-curricular education of adolescents. Free circles and sections. And this requires not only money, but also political will, which is not observed.
  26. DPN
    DPN 4 October 2013 19: 31
    +4
    Previously, there were: PIONEERS, KOMSOMOL the opportunity to advance up the career ladder, at worst you could find a normal job. At that time, work was looking for a person, now it is difficult to find work with a normal salary, not everyone will find it, but you want to live today and eat too. So what the state wanted, it got it. It seems that they are already tired of watching the box as some are FATING, while others are climbing into the trash and they have found their way out.
  27. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 4 October 2013 19: 33
    +3
    Quote: Bort Radist
    In the 90 years they said that the school should only deal with education. Education without education is immoral. So we are reaping the benefits, so to speak.

    Absolutely, only yesterday they condemned this issue on this site. The elimination of society, represented by the state, from the upbringing of attitudes and principles for dormitory in this society (or lack of perception of these principles) can already lead to the emergence of an asocial type (criminals of various kinds). Not to mention if third forces join in this process in their own interests.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 October 2013 19: 49
      +4
      Quote: Yuri Ya.
      The elimination of society, represented by the state, from the upbringing of attitudes and principles for dormitory in this society (or lack of perception of these principles) can already lead to the emergence of an asocial type (criminals of various kinds).

      +++++ !!!! And another example. There was an opportunity - I connected one school in Zaporozhye to an esuperimental program. Actually, there the teachers were paid a little extra, and they carried out the educational program. I will not go into subtleties, but after a year the criminality situation practically disappeared. It's simple - the children stopped skipping lessons, no one could "attract them with romance". They enjoyed doing all sorts of games, social assignments, etc. Well, then it all stopped with us due to the "new trends". But the result was! Yes, one that exceeded all expectations.
  28. Grey68
    Grey68 4 October 2013 19: 49
    +2
    The article is very relevant now. It just tells me that we have already passed it. Then the Bolsheviks won, just by the desire. The people of the Russian Empire stupidly blew everything. Now the Bolshevik is an Islamist, the meaning is different but they have one goal, despite for the time difference.
    And just as good it does not end. State for 80 years ?. And it’s worth to fence the garden. Where are the grandchildren of the Bolsheviks now ????
  29. DPN
    DPN 4 October 2013 19: 49
    +3
    This is similar to the Soviet past, and everything connected with this past in Russia is considered anti-people, for this government. Now, when EVERYTHING is privatized in your pocket and will be called princes and counts, then they will remember patriotism, now this word is still too early to be abused.
  30. DPN
    DPN 4 October 2013 19: 54
    0
    Quote: Corsair5912
    The state represented by the government should have an official point of view on patriotism and religion, excluding any duality and options, then the youth will be equal to this.
  31. grafrozow
    grafrozow 4 October 2013 19: 56
    +3
    I'm afraid that all these Victor Valids are just the beginning of the problems that will grow like a snowball. Initially, normal Russian guys will continue to fall into the clutches of extremists, kill their brothers - and there will not be enough special forces to catch them all. Because this is a systemic problem and needs to be solved systematically - to revive patriotic education
    But the state persistently ignores this task, as if it is not our youth at all.
    The state ignores everything — young people, old people ... and I don’t see any clearance, I’m just afraid for my grandchildren.
    1. Very old
      Very old 4 October 2013 21: 26
      +1
      State? And why are we to him = a burden and nothing more. Learned to write various programs, no matter what. Learned how to properly conduct pre-election fooling (ugh, sorry, campaign!) What has replaced the pioneer? Emptiness. At least some educational work was carried out. Today, life lessons young people draw from the Internet, ugly programs of "free" TV And the fruits of such education - on the street, in society
  32. bubla5
    bubla5 4 October 2013 20: 08
    +3
    Anyone who grew up in the 80s knows that any teenager will rush to where he will be guaranteed the inviolability and a bit of permissiveness, so there used to be groups and some young people wanted to go there, groups poorly poor but mostly liquidated, there was a vacuum, now sports sections like before like karate, there is practically no boxing, sambo and fight in schools, and the radicals are not doing anything awake, if they still register an Islamic party, then there will be nothing for EP to do in such a mess
  33. your1970
    your1970 4 October 2013 21: 31
    +2
    it’s just that nobody wants to die for MONEY, solely for the idea ...
    In all honesty, to the question: are you now ready with a grenade for a tank for Russia (not for power!)? God forbid if 3 percent - will answer "YES." They deprived me of my normal work, I go to watch where they think I am! Youth, I drink a jaguar and get away from me!
    So everything rests on the idea of ​​death for something, and while this something for which it is possible and necessary will not die, everything will be as it is now, only gradually it gets worse and worse
    Throughout the 20 century, Russia fought under the banner of ideas and won the war, and as soon as it began to fight under the banner of money (1 and 2 Chechen), it immediately became completely obstructed
    Even the lost Russian-Japanese, and that turned out to be actually won by the results - half of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands after such a defeat is as if Hitler in 1945 would give the USSR Koenigsberg and a piece of Romania :) as a trophy
  34. Severok
    Severok 4 October 2013 22: 00
    +3
    What can I say - to the current authorities on the problems of not only youth, the whole nation - to shit from a high place! Conclusion? Parents! Take care of your children yourself, damn it !!! Stop sticking in TV shows and go with your children to do it, otherwise it will be too late later!
  35. rpek32
    rpek32 4 October 2013 22: 42
    +4
    To abolish the death penalty, to impose the death penalty for terrorism, and terrorists will decrease. and in prisons I will boil less of these Slavic Abdul / Muhamed Allah Babakhovs.
  36. michajlo
    michajlo 5 October 2013 01: 50
    +2
    Good evening everyone!

    The problem raised in the article is very important. The situation is dangerous, we ALREADY LOST many young people! What all the authorities throughout the post-USSR and post-ATS (with the exception of the Republic of Belarus) do not give a damn about everything except their grandmothers, clothes, pebbles, houses and cars, you have all already seen.

    And what wrote here Fidget Yesterday, 19:49 _131004 / Friday about how, only by doing activities with children after school, they had a REAL RESULT of reducing youth participation in registered crime, this only confirms that our Soviet school, working with children and adolescents was very good, patriotic and therefore DANGEROUS to the new authorities, Guarantors, taxis and thrusters.

    And it doesn’t matter what tomorrow new gangs, movements, support groups will be called (“Russian Wahhabis”, “right-wing Orthodox”, “fighters against the arbitrariness of the traffic police” and others). The place of the educator and mentor, the state itself has ceded to all comers and those who have the means and demand "cannon fodder".

    From my childhood and school, I remember how in a physics lesson a physicist told us about physics, a chemist about chemistry, a labor teacher about making stools, turning a candlestick on a lathe, and everyone said that one of us wants to learn and learn more about the school curriculum, welcome to the club after class. And we went to all these circles of interest to us, which REALLY gave us a lot. And now I remember a lot of those from school courses in physics, chemistry, mathematics, labor lessons in a carpentry workshop, and many times it served me well.
    Well, and most importantly, sitting on a mug, playing volleyball in a school gym, we were always under the supervision of a physical teacher, did not hang around the streets of the village and had less time for mischief and stupid mischief. After all, all were teenagers and we were all drawn to the unknown, forbidden, etc.

    The family wrote everything here with raising children - they won’t be able to, especially now that my parents work in 2 jobs, so as not just to starve to death, while grandparents look after their grandchildren. They will not teach them bad things, but they will not always tell new, interesting to children.

    And the further minister, prime minister, president, again only says wearily: our state does not owe you anything, raise children yourself.
    But you must give us all yours and your children at the first request of the government !!!

    So whether you like it or not, dear ones, all the problems and difficulties rest on one thing: the authorities’ reluctance to do this for the people, especially when the elections are over and you can again promise 3,5 years to give (fairy tales) to “adult kids” with their children and grandchildren.

    Well, there is only one solution here, namely the CHANGE OF POWER from "pro-Western" to PEOPLE.
    And no power will give up its chair and trough peacefully, so there’s only one way out ...
    Moreover, the sooner the necessary changes are realized, the cheaper they will cost for the people and with less blood, they will happen.

    Or the freedom of Russia and the USSR, or poverty and death to our children and grandchildren. There is no third way in my opinion.
    The choice is only ours ...

    Sorry for forgetting how to describe funny pictures and laugh less, but here jokes aside! Most important BATTLES since 1985, we have already lost and are losing further, only now our defeats are called "the victory of reforms and modernization."
  37. guran
    guran 5 October 2013 05: 12
    +3
    From the point of view of agitation and propaganda, we (the USSR and Russia) always lost. This must be recognized immediately and unconditionally. I answer as a reserve officer for agitation and propaganda.
    We lost informationally in the Afghan war, in the Chechen war (at the first stage), in the "cold war", as they say, in plain sight - the country collapsed. They lost even during the Great Patriotic War, especially in the first, most difficult years.
    Our creativity is very bad. Campaigning is not flexible, rather reinforced concrete. There are a lot of examples. That only is the oak slogan "GLORY to the KPSS", which is captured in anecdotes.
    Creativity is very small. Fantasies. During the Chechen campaign, some accountant Udugov left all of our ideologists as babies.
    Now with regard to the "warriors of Allah".
    Such people will always be under any power. If you carefully study the biography of all these clubfoot, Buryat said, Dvorakov (the latter is generally a bum), you will immediately notice that they are all losers, losers in life. And the losers were, are and will always be. You can give them a little money, attention, care, and that's it, they are yours with giblets. Many Chechens are losers, and this is even with the support of numerous relatives, what to say about Russian losers, on whom no one cares. Remember Shamil Basayev. Dropout, kicked out of the university, asceticised by robbery and racketeering. He took the maternity hospital with a fight and received a "Gynecologist" chase. Biography of the jerk and piggyback.
    What to do?
    The level of social adaptation of the Russian population should be increased, and this is not a single day's task.
    Dramatically change the system of agitation and propaganda, move away from unsubstantiated, official statements. Cultivate the creative work of young people, and not rewrite manuals of retirees. And study, study, study, as bequeathed to Comrade. Lenin. Learn from the adversary how to work.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 6 October 2013 11: 45
      0
      Good morning dear! Sorry, I don’t know how to dignify you?

      Since you write that you had experience as a career officer from the agitation department, and now having knowledge and the bitterness of defeat in an ideological and agitation war,

      that in your opinion we are ordinary inhabitants and living in different countries (for example, in Slovakia / the EU),

      - we can do to resist the pressure of "liberal democracy"

      - and a simpler and more effective explanation of both youth and adults

      - impending troubles and most importantly in my opinion, the need to revive UNION-2?

      Although there are many here in Slovakia from 2000-2005, and my wife (she is Slovak) from the 90s, they recall the social system and speak warmly “zlaty komunisty / zlata communists / golden communists” and the majority of sober-minded people regret the fact that here in Czechoslovakia in 1989 the so-called “velvet revolution” was won, organized and carried out by our glorious KGB along with the ShtB and Western intelligence agencies.
      1. guran
        guran 9 October 2013 17: 57
        0
        These are global problems, it is difficult to answer as part of the comment on the forum.
        And what does it mean to revive Soyuz-2? How to revive? By force? Or give the last, and live on the cards themselves?
        In addition, it must be understood that for many older people it is common to idealize the past.
  38. individual
    individual 5 October 2013 09: 52
    +3
    Let us ask ourselves the question: “Why, of all the world religions, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, only Islam engenders such atrocities to all other beliefs? They hate not only others, they destroy themselves encouraging their adherents to die by undermining the belts of martyrs or by self-immolating their women.
    Why the official church of all faiths is silent, why it will not put these non-people outside of morality, outside of laws, outside of society.
    Why has it become fashionable to play Islamic fanatics not only in Russia but around the world?
    Yes, because the majority civilization has snickered, mired in luxury.
    Obtaining dough has become a way of life when you sell for $ father, mother, sister, brother just to be lucky in this world.
    The civilization choking on "creativity" will choke on the shit of the feces of those who did not get into the "creative".
  39. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 5 October 2013 12: 49
    +1
    <<< The youth abandoned (by the state) on the field of the "war for education" is a disaster for the state in the near future. >>>
    Paraphrasing a well-known phrase, we can say - if you, the authorities do not want to educate your youth, then OTHERS will bring it up and do not blame me if you don’t like the results of education!