The truth about the military confrontation of the United States and Russia

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The truth about the military confrontation of the United States and RussiaA well-informed diplomatic source told As-Safir newspaper that “The US war against Syria began and ended at the moment when two ballistic missiles were launched, leaving behind conflicting information - when Israel denied launch, and Russia confirmed it. The confrontation continued until an Israeli statement was issued indicating that the missile launches were carried out as part of a joint Israeli-American exercise, and that the rockets then fell into the sea, and the launches themselves were not associated with the Syrian crisis. ”

The source also told the Lebanese diary that “the US Army launched two of these missiles from a NATO base in Spain, they were instantly spotted by Russian radars and collided with Russia's defense systems - so one of them exploded further in the air, and the second course was rejected in the direction seas".

In this context, the source notes that “the statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense that two launches of ballistic missiles towards the Middle East were detected have the purpose to obscure two points: the first - the place from which the missiles were launched, and the second is that the missiles were shot down. Why? Because at that moment, when a full-scale operation was launched, the head of Russia's intelligence service contacted American intelligence and said that “a strike on Damascus means a strike on Moscow, and we removed the term“ shot down two missiles ”from the statement in order to maintain bilateral relations and avoid escalation. Therefore, you should immediately review your policy, approach and intentions regarding the Syrian crisis, and also make sure that you will not be able to eliminate our presence in the Mediterranean Sea. ”

“This undeclared direct confrontation between Moscow and Washington increased the confusion in the Obama administration, and definitely showed that in the case of Syria, the Russian side is ready to go to the end. And also the fact that the United States had no other way out of the impasse, except through the initiative proposed by Russia, which allowed America to save face, ”he added.

Here, a diplomatic source explained that “in order to prevent America from even more embarrassment, Washington demanded that Tel Aviv take on this launch so that the United States could save face before the world public — especially considering that these missiles were the beginning of the US aggression against Syria and the announcement about the beginning of a military operation. After that, the US president was supposed to go to Russia for the G-20 summit, and negotiate the fate of Syrian President Bashar Assad. And only in this way he was able to find a way out of the impasse in which he found himself. ”

The source also noted that “after the missile confrontation between the US and Russia, Moscow intends to increase the number of military experts in the grouping present in the Mediterranean. Also, this incident allowed the appointment of the announcement of the initiative to stop the aggression against Syria after the G-20 summit, which was preceded by two successful visits to Russia by Iranian Foreign Minister Hussein Amir Abdullah Al-Lagiyan and Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Al-Muallem. During these visits, a solution was found and agreed upon, which included Syria’s announcement of the adoption of a Russian initiative regarding the transfer of Syrian chemical weapons under international control and preparation of Syria’s accession to the treaty on the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Finally, the source noted that “one of the first results of the military confrontation between the United States and Russia was the refusal of the British House of Commons to join the military campaign against Syria. This was followed by European statements on a principled position - and most importantly, on the German position announced by Chancellor Angela Merkel. ”
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  1. +69
    3 October 2013 10: 43
    I copied this article 3 weeks ago, but the admins apparently considered it not interesting ........ how things change when Russia wins political victories :)
    1. +79
      3 October 2013 10: 54
      You can copy and paste indefinitely, but there is not much truth in this article. The Lebanese media published a fiction for domestic consumption, and everyone who is too lazy to think about it was reprinted ... Or you want to believe it ...
      I really want to believe in the revival of our military power, I want to believe that our elites realized that they can exist safely only in prosperous Russia.
      PS The victory of Russian diplomacy in preventing US aggression against Syria is undeniable, and this is a great merit of both the Foreign Ministry and the President of Russia.
      1. +19
        3 October 2013 11: 06
        Why so sure that there is no truth in it? Are you accustomed to being spoken by * democratic * sources?
        1. +10
          3 October 2013 12: 06
          You might just as well ask "Are you used to inventing victories for yourself?" A comment from an "unnamed source" is a rather dubious argument, especially in the absence of other, more verifiable, sources that even hint at a similar course of events.
          1. +20
            3 October 2013 13: 01
            Quote: Basileus
            A comment from an "unnamed source" is a rather dubious argument, especially in the absence of other, more verifiable, sources that even hint at a similar course of events.


            It fits very well into the circuit. After all, it was clear that the Americans would start bombing, there was no doubt ... then silence, then somehow the news of the launch of ballistic missiles slipped against the background, then Syria sharply agreed to give up XO and join the OPCW, and Washington also said sharply that it wouldn’t bomb will be. So that an unnamed source may well compose any fables - the picture does not change.
            1. home9371
              0
              13 October 2013 23: 34
              The reasons for the failure to bomb, it seems to me, are several
              - economic turmoil in the country;
              - fear for the image of any, even small, failure in aggression;
              - successful, consistent diplomacy of Russia. So I remembered "Mr. No", as they called AA Gromyko in the West;
              - and quite exotic: Putin's rating in Russia is falling, he (and the West!) needs support from Western "friends" and help in raising his rating inside Russia. So they gave me some fists to wave. One world is smeared, co-rrr-atniks!
              1. 0
                14 October 2013 16: 33
                Quote: doma9371
                and quite exotic

                Well, what is this exotic, regularly such announcers sound.
                Exotic, if Hussein Obama would have defaulted on the Yusovtsy’s GDP for his friend.
                And so, the Hypothesis has the right to exist like any other, up to the assumption that Obama Antichrist, not without reason took the oath in gloves!

          2. 0
            4 October 2013 06: 32
            Quote: Basileus
            A comment from an "unnamed source" is a rather dubious argument, especially in the absence of other, more verifiable, sources that even hint at a similar course of events

            who will reveal diplomatic secrets to you. it is not time yet .....
        2. +13
          3 October 2013 12: 39
          game, of course, but nice, and most importantly there is no bombing of Syria, there is no extra blood, and then let the diplomatic victory be supported, "green men" or "Martians" does not matter.
        3. +5
          3 October 2013 16: 20
          Quote: Xroft
          Why so sure that there is no truth in it? Are you accustomed to being spoken by * democratic * sources?

          Answer yourself two questions. How and where they shot at ballistic targets. And with what they suggested. If you answer, it means the truth, but then please us with information.
          1. +2
            3 October 2013 16: 54
            Do you have American ballistic missiles in Spain?
            1. +1
              4 October 2013 01: 19
              it’s enough to approach the coast of Spain with a missile carrier
          2. -3
            4 October 2013 01: 16
            ballistic missiles have been fired at Damascus not for the first time. Usually, explosions were passed off as strikes of cars filled with explosives and suicide bombers. And what they suggested was not a question at all. Remember the "high-precision" American missile that flew into the window of the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. So the missiles flew according to a laser or GPS pointer.
        4. 0
          4 October 2013 08: 05
          Is quite real! the Americans will not come near Syria has something to answer. An aircraft carrier can be easily lost. Launching a ballistic missile is something that was convenient. Only Russia can stop such an attack. It seems to have been done! Too easy to surrender! wink
          1. -1
            4 October 2013 10: 30
            It has already been discussed a thousand times that Syria will in no way be able to harm the American fleet in any way or repulse a massive missile strike.
            PS: where do such "Uryakalki" appear here in an endless stream?
            1. 0
              4 October 2013 11: 02
              I appeal to you, who put the minus, the Internet troll! - go down from heaven to earth and turn on your brain, swim, take an interest or read the local forum. You are my idiot)
              1. +1
                4 October 2013 12: 50
                Quote: Dangerous
                I appeal to you, who put the minus, the Internet troll!

                And in response SILENCE!
                So
                Quote: Dangerous
                Syria will in no way be able to do any harm to the American fleet

                In the scope of defeat of the Bastions will fall a little does not seem.
                Quote: Dangerous
                nor repel a massive missile strike

                A massive missile strike and the Yusovites themselves would not be able to repel it; otherwise, it would have spun a long time ago.
                What’s the conversation about? About that and so
                Quote: Dangerous
                A thousand times have already been discussed here

                Quote: Dangerous
                PS: where do such "Uryakalki" appear here in an endless stream?

                Do you understand the difference between URA and URA? I myself treat the patriots with humor _ Well, if such a person?
                1. 0
                  4 October 2013 13: 57
                  Yes, in that message people wrote that "Syria has something to answer. Losing an aircraft carrier is easy." I am amazed at such people. And, by the way, export-version bastions hit only 250-300 km, so that aviation and tomohawks can easily not enter the affected area
                  1. +1
                    4 October 2013 17: 00
                    Quote: Dangerous
                    Yes, in that message, people wrote

                    I read, there the full phrase sounds like this
                    Quote: brelok
                    Americans will not come close Syria has something to answer.

                    True, this is not quite what if
                    Quote: brelok
                    Syria has something to answer

                    So ?
                    Quote: Dangerous
                    bastions in export execution hit only 250-300 km,

                    Yahont is the export performance of Onyx. And the complex there and there is the Bastion.
                    To move the launch site of the Kyrgyz Republic 300 km from its border is worth a lot.
                    Simplified is 20 minutes of flight time, and during this time there is much that can be done.
                    Quote: Dangerous
                    bastions in export version hit only 250-300 km, so that aviation and tomahawks can easily enter the affected area

                    Hmm, you re-read it yourself.
                    No comments !
      2. goldfinger
        +3
        3 October 2013 15: 48
        Quote: BigLexey
        The Lebanese media for domestic consumption printed fiction, and it was reprinted by everyone who is too lazy to think ... Or I want to believe in it ...

        This newspaper is a "yellow" Lebanese leaf, publishing, as you correctly said, "fables" one after another. "Well-informed diplomatic source" - OBS. (One woman ... etc.). Why are these provocative stuffing? "To fool the" supporters "of the war to a victorious end? In the distance pin. To itself! One "Moscow" will tear the entire Pin.dos fleet! Only a d. Fool can think of such a scenario. "IN" everything "turns yellow", maybe by the fall?
        Unclear
      3. +2
        4 October 2013 10: 50
        Quote: BigLexey
        You can copy and paste indefinitely, but there is not much truth in this article. ...

        Well, at least in the official version of the truth no more. Like it or not, the story is dark.

        Remember, the time of these "test" launches (if they were test) was chosen as the most unsuccessful of the possible. As well as location and direction. After all, if they did not want to arrange a provocation that could ignite a world war and could not be postponed in any way, then they could either choose another place (not in the Mediterranean Sea), or at least another direction, NOT towards Syria.

        The second - in tests they don’t shoot with two rockets, usually. The same Yankees, testing their missile defense, launch one rocket each. Telemetry is written from it, analyzed. Changes are made to the second missile, after which there is a second launch and so on ....

        Third: international testimonials about test launches are set in advance, and even more so in such a densely populated region and at such a busy time. How Israel did not know what to warn.

        It is also strange that both missiles "crashed" on "tests", and all subsequent statements by all sides. For some reason, the states make round eyes and say that about any launches, neither sleep nor spirit. Although this is not true, even if it was not they who were shooting, they could not help but know, it’s awesome.
        Syria confirms that nothing fell on its territory - so that no one doubts that both missiles did not fly.
        And Israel at first is silent, like I did not hear that the naughty because of "his" launches, and then wakes up and declares that "Yes, it was me who shot! And what?"

        No ...
        You know, this "Lebanese" version of events is more plausible than the official one. Whether you argue or not, I believe in the official one even less.
    2. +21
      3 October 2013 12: 20
      Regardless of whether this is true or not, the success of Putin’s political move is undeniable. A free peer of the country's defense potential is a side-by-side but no less pleasant addition.
      1. +5
        3 October 2013 14: 00
        Judging by the article, the missiles were shot down, I wonder what? Or our ships worked well, or maybe ours used unconventional types of defensive systems. One can only guess.
        1. -6
          3 October 2013 14: 13
          and maybe ours used unconventional types of defensive systems

          Excuse me, which ones? Antiaircraft homing earflaps?
          1. +10
            3 October 2013 15: 14
            Antiaircraft homing earflaps?
            Why is that so? It is possible to use a narrowly directed electromagnetic pulse, which is not entirely friendly to any electronics. Back in the USSR, a station flying in space (maybe a Shuttle, I don't remember exactly) with astronauts was "processed" with an electromagnetic directional generator in a weak mode. Later, the astronauts admitted that at some point they were very uncomfortable when flying over the territory of the USSR for inexplicable reasons.
            1. +2
              3 October 2013 15: 38
              It is possible to use a narrowly directed electromagnetic pulse that is not completely friendly to any electronics.

              As for the narrow focus ... the maximum that has been achieved is the microwave transmitter on the Hammer. At a distance of 100 meters, a person feels burns. And here ... not only dozens of kilometers, but also the EM protection of the rocket needs to be pierced.
              Hard to believe, very weak.

              Back in the USSR, a station flying in space (maybe a Shuttle, I don't remember exactly) with astronauts was "processed" with an electromagnetic directional generator in a weak mode.

              I read something. But do you imagine the size of that generator? He is the size of a BDK himself! It was.

              As for the usual means of electronic warfare, I’m not sure - I don’t know this topic well. Yes, and it is mostly classified.
              1. Spstas1
                +1
                4 October 2013 10: 50
                Here are just a few BDKs in the Eastern Mediterranean and are present ...
            2. atomic
              +6
              3 October 2013 15: 58
              The application was at the Saryshagan training ground, Lake Balkhash and it was a shuttle.
              1. Dima67
                0
                3 October 2013 16: 16
                Where is the droushka?
            3. Asan Ata
              +1
              3 October 2013 21: 18
              We developed this thing back in 1985. She definitely should be.
          2. -9
            3 October 2013 15: 46
            the fact is that you are a crap boy.
          3. +5
            4 October 2013 00: 40
            Quote: Wedmak
            and maybe ours used unconventional types of defensive systems

            Excuse me, which ones? Antiaircraft homing earflaps?

            Well said the same-non-traditional))) Our missiles come from behind)))
          4. -2
            4 October 2013 06: 37
            Quote: Wedmak
            Excuse me, which ones? Antiaircraft homing earflaps?

            there is such a thing as electronic warfare: if you are ignorant, please be kind, eliminate your ignorance .........
            1. +6
              4 October 2013 09: 09
              Quote: hert
              there is such a thing as electronic warfare: if you are ignorant, please be kind, eliminate your ignorance .........

              If you are so literate, please explain to me, the aviation colonel, how can electronic ballistic missiles be affected by electronic warfare equipment, which in flight is, roughly speaking, just a cobblestone fired from a sling?
        2. -4
          3 October 2013 14: 18
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Or our ships worked well, or maybe ours used unconventional types of defensive systems.


          There are no complexes in the armament of our ships so far that can shoot down ballistic targets. And as for the "non-traditional species", we can easily do this: everyone shot from slingshots in childhood ... laughing
          1. Bashkaus
            +19
            3 October 2013 15: 08
            And as for the "non-traditional species" we can easily do that: everyone shot from slingshots in childhood. You can laugh as much as you like, but in 1242 the Russian squads under the command of Alexander Nevsky won a convincing victory on Lake Onega. Against the classic indestructible tactics of "blue", which was used by German sobbing dressed in heavy armor, the Russian wars, without hesitation, opposed ordinary bogras, well, there is something to get out of the water if necessary, with which they simply hooked the Teftonians and threw them off their horses, carefully weighed the fallen and clumsy hepals classic cradle. Apparently, the Germans were not at all ready for such a turn of events, so the match-revenge took place only a few hundred years later, in which FRIENDSHIP won, and the guests were carefully escorted home.
            So they could pick up a non-standard antidote against American poison ...
            1. +6
              3 October 2013 17: 03
              Quote: Bashkaus
              Against the classic adamantine tactics "sVignay"

              Well about indestructible is it you got excited
              Alexander undoubtedly studied this simple tactical device and took measures.
              Perhaps even read about the exploits of Hannibal at Cannes
              1. +2
                4 October 2013 02: 51
                in the then Internet, as I understand it, "read" * ????
                1. 0
                  4 October 2013 18: 53
                  Quote: Free Island
                  in the then Internet, as I understand it, "read" * ????

                  Books were invented long before the Internet.
                  But Plutarch can still be read
            2. +3
              3 October 2013 18: 46
              Quote: Bashkaus
              You can laugh as much as you like, but in 1242 the Russian squads under the command of Alexander Nevsky won a landslide victory Lake Onega

              Not to laugh ... This deprived of the attention of historians victory happened before the Battle of the Ice, something took place on Lake Peipsi, or after?
            3. +3
              3 October 2013 23: 26
              And as for the "non-traditional species", we can easily do this: everyone shot from slingshots in childhood. You can laugh as much as you like, but in 1242 the Russian squads under the command of Alexander Nevsky won a convincing victory on Lake Onega. Against the classic indestructible tactics of "blue", which was used by the German sobbed dressed in heavy armor, the Russian wars, without hesitation, opposed ordinary bogras, well, there is something to get out of the water if necessary, with which they simply hooked the Teftonians and threw them off their horses, carefully weighed the fallen and clumsy hepalins classic cradle. Apparently, the Germans were not at all ready for such a turn of events, so the match-revenge took place only a few hundred years later, in which FRIENDSHIP won, and the guests were carefully escorted home.
              So they could pick up a non-standard antidote against American poison ...


              This, my dear, is called heard ringing, but I do not know where he is ...
              There is such a word, the name of the city - Cannes is called.
              Read Svechin or something - History of martial art.
              There bukaf kanechna much, but everything is the case.
              And about the pig, and about the construction of the princely army, and about the relationship of the landscape and the construction of the army of Alexander. And in general, about the positive influence of knowledge of Greek and Roman literature by Russian princes laughing
            4. atomic
              0
              5 October 2013 09: 59
              In the armory of the Kremlin are the armor of these "giants", height twenty meters. I will correct you-Lake Peipsi.
          2. +11
            3 October 2013 15: 21
            "An unnamed source on 03.10.13/XNUMX/XNUMX authoritatively stated that the Russian fleet does not have complexes that allow it to shoot down ballistic targets."

            :) In our army, there can be absolutely everything.
            1. +15
              3 October 2013 17: 14
              Quote: rJIiOK
              Everything can be in our army.


              Therefore, in spite of all sorts of manipulations of reformers in Russia - the ARMY IS, AND I HOPE WILL EXIST FOR A LONGER LONGER FOR THE JOY OF OUR CITIZENS AND FRIENDS and the not entirely comfortable state of our "damned" partners.
    3. sheh85
      +3
      3 October 2013 14: 07
      After reading the article, the question immediately arises of by what means the American ballistic missiles flying from Spain to Syria were destroyed. Who can explain
      1. -2
        3 October 2013 14: 15
        Not otherwise drunk boatswain from one of our tugs from the grandfather’s double-barrel shotgun ....
        With all due respect to our fleet, there was nothing to bring down these missiles at that time.
      2. +2
        3 October 2013 14: 21
        Quote: sheh85
        the question immediately arises as to what means were used to destroy the American ballistic missiles flying from Spain to Syria. Who can explain

        Read at least my comments, I seem to have written in a more or less accessible language.
        1. +15
          3 October 2013 15: 03
          Quote: Colonel
          Read at least my comments, I seem to have written in a more or less accessible language.

          The language is accessible and understandable - there are no funds on ships. However, the missiles did not reach the goal. Most likely due to counteraction, as to assume the simultaneous technical malfunction of two missiles at once is too much an assumption. Only ours could counteract the launches of American missiles (in this context of events). For Americans, judging by their reaction, such an effective opposition was unexpected. Conclusion: the missiles were neutralized by the latest Russian means of combat (most likely electronic warfare). Reminds unscientific fiction? Me too. But other versions without the participation of Martians are not visible.
          1. +4
            3 October 2013 15: 28
            Quote: matRoss
            However, the missiles did not reach the goal. Most likely due to counteraction, t


            In general, I am skeptical about this whole story with missiles. Since I quit 4 years ago, unfortunately, I have no information on this episode. And who has it? Who has seen the transcript of records of objective controls? Everything is only in words! I have already said, I will repeat it again: SSBNs are not patrolling in the Mediterranean, there is no IRBM in Spain. Where do ballistic targets come from? Purely theoretically (apart from this case): BRs have self-liquidators that are triggered according to a program or command. In general, I do not like this whole story ... I remember the words of the hero of the actor Gennady Yukhtin from "The Elusive ..." - nonsense!
            1. +6
              3 October 2013 15: 41
              Quote: Colonel
              nonsense!

              I do not agree. The history of missiles is confirmed by the Russian, American and Israeli sides. It went through all the media.
              1. +2
                3 October 2013 16: 10
                Quote: matRoss
                It went through all the media.


                In stories like this, the media pick up what trained people tell them. After all, not a single journalist will be shown the transcript of the SOC records. For example: when I was still serving, we tracked the progress of the database in Iraq by all means. So, at all official daily briefings for the media, Pentagon representatives issued dosed and filtered information about the progress of the operation with a delay of exactly one day! Those. all "fried", from the point of view of journalists and readers (viewers), the facts were already history. And in a day, a lot of things can be done in terms of the strategy and tactics of conducting an information war, and above all - to form the necessary public opinion.
                1. +3
                  3 October 2013 17: 00
                  Quote: Colonel
                  The media picks up what specially trained people are telling them.

                  And I agree with that. But then it is not clear what gesheft, as our "Israeli compatriots" say, the United States received from this disinformation. Why didn't they refute it? Something still doesn't fit ...
  2. +95
    3 October 2013 10: 45
    I don’t know whether our missiles were shot down or not, turned to the side or simply scared. The only thing that is clear is what happened. That made the United States abandon the warriors when everyone in the world was sure that it would be. The only question was when. What did Putin shuganul We won’t recognize Obama for a very long time, but the main thing is that there are no warriors.
    1. +3
      3 October 2013 11: 01
      Everything is simple. The inflatable elephant horror story and the bostler were completely blown away.
      1. +14
        3 October 2013 11: 40
        Obama’s streak went blacker than himself, both domestically and in the world.
        1. +7
          3 October 2013 13: 04
          Quote: sergey32
          Obama’s streak went blacker than himself, both domestically and in the world.


          From the point of view of the anatomy of a zebra this is no longer a strip, but the place where the back changes its proud name to a word from the letters opzh. Husseinich sits in Peugeot and doesn’t want to be baptized, toli beating his head on the floor.
        2. Bashkaus
          +3
          3 October 2013 15: 10
          Obama’s streak went blacker than himself, both domestically and in the world. Everything in this world is relative, the strip may be blacker than the plank, but the Americans realized that there could be such .... that even Obama against this background is far from the worst option))
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    3. +7
      3 October 2013 11: 19
      Hi Sash! Once again I was convinced that with these we must go to the end, and if there are no particular trump cards, then "drive the fool" and after all rolls!
      1. +12
        3 October 2013 13: 52
        Quote: klimpopov
        and if there are no trump cards, then "drive the fool" and after all rolls!

        Hi Klim! You speak fool wink If this fool also has separable warheads, then you can drive on their own laughing
    4. +21
      3 October 2013 11: 27
      I was 100% sure that war could not be avoided. Well, a wolf cannot eat a lamb. Fortunately, for now it has worked out. How long? The United States continues to draw more and more forces into the Blast Vostok zone - the transfer of fighters, etc. - all this over the past week. The alarm still remains ...
      1. +12
        3 October 2013 11: 42
        Quote: Very old
        I was 100% sure that war cannot be avoided.

        Now you need to wait from the pendos for a trick in another place. I doubt that they just wash themselves.
        1. +10
          3 October 2013 13: 12
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Now you need to wait from the pendos for a trick in another place. I doubt that they just wash themselves.

          Strongly true.
          "Dvizhuha" continues, the media just turned off.
        2. +2
          3 October 2013 14: 04
          Well, "transparent" hints are being made, a mine in the Damascus embassy, ​​the same one flew to the Chinese one, an attack on the embassy in Libya.
        3. +1
          3 October 2013 20: 57
          I suppose that even if there is no invasion, all the same, the Americans and their accomplices will do everything to change the power in Syria.

          P.S. the degree of probability of an invasion is still quite high. You should not calm down about this. In order to bungle another plausible provocation, now all the enemies of the Assad at the head of the CIA are working hard.
      2. +5
        3 October 2013 13: 34
        it seems that on the contrary, part of the destroyers was driven away for the Atlantic.
        while they themselves have problems with the budget, while they are trying to dig in their own shit, I think the blow is not worth waiting for. In addition, they have already decently discredited themselves in the face of the international community. Although this "community" is also driving itself more and more into a dead end every day, hammering on international law, and licking the butt of its sovereign.
        1. +3
          3 October 2013 15: 20
          budget problems
          But interestingly, the military, too, will not pay money as well as employees? So it’s not far from the riot!
    5. +5
      3 October 2013 11: 55
      This is so. The article, of course, may be a Lebanese duck, but in reality everything happens very confusing, and the fact that there is only an inverted small fraction of truth on the surface.
      For example, our hasty piracy law is primarily needed by the United States, because Hollywood brings 7-8% of revenue, these are crazy numbers.
      1. GDP
        +17
        3 October 2013 12: 43
        Pirates need to put a monument on Red Square. Without them, we would be in the Stone Age in the field of information technology. China has not passed the law on pirated software copying and did it right, because it protects only its interests. Therefore, the cost of software there is an order of magnitude lower than in Russia, but we feed movies to America is a trifle, but tough laws obliging everyone to buy licensed software, even the smallest organization, this is fantastic money! These are billions of dollars that sail abroad every year in payment actually for air. Well, the same Windows doesn’t cost such money 10000p apiece (we multiply this amount by half a billion), an analogue of the same Linux program was generally developed by a group of enthusiasts.
        America generally knows how to make money from the air, one dollar is worth :)
        1. +9
          3 October 2013 13: 51
          A huge plus. Pirates have helped raise China (and are now helping). England used pirates at sea many times. For example: a young developer - wants to do 3D, if you calculate the price of different packages and add-ons, your head is spinning. Not that a loner, a large company will not pull. But this is half the trouble: you can copy-paste not only software, but also machines, machines. It's a shame that for this you just need to adopt a couple of laws, and we do it exactly the opposite.
          1. stroporez
            0
            4 October 2013 10: 42
            could ------- put a hundred pluses
            Quote: HollyGremlin
            wants to do 3D,

            here I also "felt" the whole "high" .......
        2. +5
          3 October 2013 15: 24
          I’ll show you to the Americans: you pay for the issue of AK (Herods do not pay the same) and other Soviet (Russian stuff), and we (Russia) - for licensed programs. All for garlic! Yes
          1. stroporez
            0
            4 October 2013 10: 44
            they are a hunchbacked Misha (if I remember correctly) the whole factory gave Schaub Kalash stamp ............
        3. DJEIN8
          +4
          3 October 2013 15: 37
          GDP 12:43 They say that we have ..... ONE OF THE BEST PROGRAMMERS .....
          For a long time you could have made your "Windows" COMPATIBLE with that ....... WHAT interferes ..?
          1. +3
            3 October 2013 16: 44
            For a long time you could have made your "Windows" COMPATIBLE with that ....... WHAT interferes ..?

            Sales market.
            1. +2
              4 October 2013 00: 00
              1. Games are written under Windows, programs under Windows, so they have a monopoly. No one will write software under an unknown OS, no one will put an OS without software - a vicious circle.
              2. Collusion with iron producers. We do not do iron.
              3. Compatibility policy: if you have a large company and you work with third-party partners abroad, no one will standardize their software for your self-written ones.
              4. Patents: an insidious move, when a license is issued for the smallest parts of the program (example: "unlocking the phone with a swipe of your finger")
              5. Lack of order (we do not have firms that invest in theoretical development, even Gazprom orders products from third-party, and even different, developers).
              This is already enough, but there are still 15 points.
        4. +1
          3 October 2013 22: 30
          China itself can not come up with anything and therefore they will never adopt such a law!
          Do not compare us with the Chinese! And Russia has always been rich in talents. Then you yourself will whine that they again copied something from us!
        5. +1
          4 October 2013 01: 31
          Quote: GDP
          but tough laws requiring everyone to buy licensed software, even the smallest organization, are fantastic money!

          Yes, through the Ipatiev method small organizations saw these tough laws. Who will go check them? What to take from them? No fame, no money. So they use pirated software ...
    6. +7
      3 October 2013 12: 01
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I don’t know whether our missiles were shot down or not, turned to the side or simply scared

      Firstly, as far as I know, there are no American ballistic missiles in Spain, and their SSBNs have not patrolled in the Mediterranean for a long time (their former base in Rota is closed).
      Secondly, it is impossible to "deflect the course" of a ballistic target, unless by hitting it with something.
      Thirdly, to shoot down these missiles (was there a boy at all?) Is extremely difficult even with stationary missile defense systems, and the existing armament of our ships does not allow this.

      Conclusion (IMHO): the "source" mentioned in the article was invented by journalists (on a paid order of some interested "office") or his information is gross misleading, designed for the layman.
      1. +7
        3 October 2013 13: 16
        Quote: Colonel
        Firstly, as far as I know, there are no American ballistic missiles in Spain,


        There are probably Spanish ones. Further on the text on the boats are missiles with nuclear warheads, the tasks there are slightly different - not to drive gopniks in the desert, but to remove countries from the world map. They could shoot even with perching with a regular warhead; from this, perching will not cease to be a ballistic missile.

        Quote: Colonel
        Secondly, it is impossible to "deflect the course" of a ballistic target, unless by hitting it with something.


        Where does the data come from that is impossible to get? And why then are the interceptors building ballistic goals? For reference - they shoot and hit with something (heavy).

        Quote: Colonel
        Thirdly, to shoot down these missiles (was there a boy at all?) Is extremely difficult even with stationary missile defense systems, and the existing armament of our ships does not allow this.


        And how does a hospital differ from a mobile ?? The ammunition itself is the same. So what is the S-300F from the S-300PMU2, other than the obvious?

        Quote: Colonel
        Conclusion (IMHO): the "source" mentioned in the article was invented by journalists (on a paid order of some interested "office") or his information is gross misleading, designed for the layman.


        Brother, thirty need to work out efficiently.
        1. +2
          3 October 2013 13: 49
          Quote: Geisenberg
          There are probably Spanish ones.

          What?

          Quote: Geisenberg
          missiles with nuclear warheads are on boats,

          If we are talking about ALCM ("Tomahawk"), then they are not ballistic, but winged.

          Quote: Geisenberg
          They could shoot even with perching with a regular warhead; from this, perching will not cease to be a ballistic missile.

          Pershing - BR, but they were removed from the 24 database years ago! Wake up!

          Quote: Geisenberg
          And why then are the interceptors building ballistic goals?

          They "build" a house in the village, and deploy missile defense systems. But we don't have them in the Mediterranean.

          Quote: Geisenberg
          And how does a hospital differ from a mobile ??

          Efficiency.

          Quote: Geisenberg
          Brother, thirty need to work out efficiently.

          I don’t have such "brothers" and I do not accept toilet humor with inadequate support.
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            1. +5
              3 October 2013 14: 44
              Quote: Geisenberg
              Here are just such "brothers" you have ... whether you accept it or not.

              Can you just think with your head?


              1. If we are "you", then learn Russian first.
              2. If you are talking about Pershing who were removed from combat duty in 1989 as a version, then what can I argue with you?
              3. If you consider it a norm to be rude to a professional with a higher military education, then the dialogue is over.
      2. +3
        3 October 2013 13: 56
        Quote: Colonel
        Conclusion (IMHO): the "source" mentioned in the article was invented by journalists (on a paid order of some interested "office") or his information is gross misleading, designed for the layman.

        Desa-desoi, the question is that the US has retreated. The question is why? this is the essence of what I wrote.
        1. -1
          3 October 2013 14: 07
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Desa-desoi, the question is that the US has retreated. The question is why? this is the essence of what I wrote.


          The fact that the Americans have temporarily retreated is good, no doubt. Why is another question, but it seems to me that it is beneficial for our side to catch this duck (or launch it ourselves?) In order to strategically bluff! And what? Do not allow such a version?
          1. +5
            3 October 2013 14: 17
            Quote: Colonel
            . Why is another question, but it seems to me that it is beneficial for our side to catch this duck (or launch it ourselves?) In order to strategically bluff!

            And what is the point, the USA knows what, how and why it was with missiles. Such a disinformation can only affect the brains of those in the United States who said that Russian air defense shot down a meteorite
            1. +5
              3 October 2013 14: 32
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And what is the point, the USA knows what, how and why it was with missiles.


              To paraphrase the famous phrase by A.A. Gromyko when he was his Minister for Foreign Affairs of the USSR, I’ll say: what do we know about what the United States knows about what happened to missiles? Most of us trustingly believe everything that we read, but in vain! The information war is a long-standing invention, and for a long time there have been talented generals in this war working out the order of the owners. We, mere mortals, are not given the opportunity to penetrate the ideas of secret strategists, and only certain specialists in this or that sphere can sometimes reveal individual mistakes or mistakes in thrown publications ...
          2. +3
            3 October 2013 15: 29
            The result is important, and not what it is achieved in this case.
      3. yur
        yur
        +1
        3 October 2013 20: 42
        So what? Why is this bad for us? Yes, if this "source" did not really exist, then it had to be invented. After all, you know very well that the war is in full swing, an information war. And in war all means are good: anti-missiles , and the Lebanese media and the "extreme" scrap is heavier.
    7. Gari
      +5
      3 October 2013 12: 07
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I don’t know whether our missiles were shot down or not, turned to the side or simply scared

      proposed by the influential Lebanese newspaper Al Safir, citing diplomatic sources, according to which the Americans managed to launch two missiles in Syria from their base in Spain, and the missiles were shot down by Russian anti-aircraft gunners based on Russian warships.
      According to the newspaper, the Russian special services offered the Americans a deal - we will shut up this fact, and you will stop the operation. The Americans agreed, forced Israel to say that the fallen missiles were Israeli probes, and halted the operation.
      1. Gari
        +25
        3 October 2013 12: 08
        The Russian side is firmly on Putin’s condition - disarmament only if the Americans abandon plans for aggression.
        Meanwhile, the leaders of the SCO countries met in Bishkek and supported the Russian initiative. Behind them - billions of people, including China, Russia, Iran - therefore it is ridiculous when American leaders say that "Russia is isolated." They are isolated - not only from other humanity, but also from their own people. Indeed, most Americans support Putin’s ideas about the priority of international law and the rejection of aggressive wars.

        http://www.kp.ru/daily/26133.7/3024014/
      2. 0
        3 October 2013 12: 52
        Quote: Gari
        the Americans managed to launch two missiles in Syria from their base in Spain, and the missiles were shot down by Russian anti-aircraft gunners based on Russian warships.
        According to the newspaper, the Russian special services offered the Americans a deal - we will shut up this fact, and you will stop the operation.


        And what is it that the Americans only fired two rockets? Why not 50? They fired two rockets, waited until they were shot down, then waited until the Russian intelligence contacted them ... Is this the USA that starts the war now? Two rockets?
        1. +14
          3 October 2013 13: 05
          Is the US starting a war like this today? Two rockets?

          Given that our ships were standing between them and Syria, it is entirely possible. As a test reaction ... The reaction was instant! Therefore, they held horses.
          1. +4
            3 October 2013 14: 13
            Quote: Wedmak
            As a test reaction ... The reaction was instant! Therefore, they held horses.

            You can, of course, admit. Ours could have justified themselves, because they didn’t protect Syria, but Russia, they didn’t warn about launches, and the calculation of the trajectory showed that they were flying to Moscow, the personnel of our missile defense were mistaken, and put a comma in the calculations. And the anti-aircraft crew was not mistaken laughing

            But details such as "one missile was shot down and the other was heading out to sea" raise doubts. How did you change the trajectory? This is a fairy tale for the Arabs to believe in the power of Russia. Nice, of course, but we shouldn't believe it. Until our harrow minister or chief of staff officially confirms ...
            1. 0
              3 October 2013 15: 30
              one rocket was shot down, and the trajectory of the other directed at sea

              It is these details that make one doubt these .. details. To prove this phrase, means of objective control are needed. Radio, visual, telemetric, etc. Which one is there? There are only facts: rockets soared and fell. Everything.
              1. -6
                3 October 2013 15: 54
                Quote: Wedmak
                There are only facts: rockets soared and fell. All.

                I think this fact has a simple explanation. Just need the appropriate knowledge and experience. I don’t have these, all I know about missiles - the mace does not fly sad
                1. +6
                  3 October 2013 16: 45
                  all I know about rockets - the mace does not fly

                  It depends on how you plant it.
                  And "Bulava" flies. Single failures in mastering a new technique always happen.
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2013 18: 24
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    Single failures in the development of new technology always happen.

                    Single? 40 percent are not isolated failures. But even this is tolerable in trials. But even after being adopted, the "one-off failures" continue, that is the problem.
                    But here this topic for comments is not a topic, call for a tautology ... I started it simply because I heard it, and not in order to tear down a tired corn.
            2. +3
              3 October 2013 15: 36
              And why should the defense minister or chief of staff have to confirm it? And to whom?
              1. -1
                3 October 2013 15: 47
                No way. And figs to whom. But if they confirm it, then yes, the fact is on the face. And so - another duck.
        2. +1
          3 October 2013 21: 08
          al safir is a Hezbollah-controlled newspaper. Do you really want them to write something else? You don’t really have to trust such newspapers. Such newspapers are just misinformed.

          and more. rockets were launched by Israel towards the sea. This was confirmed by both Israel and Russian sources.
          . why launch a missile from Spain to Syria, if the air distance between the Spanish coast and Damascus is approximately 4000 km. if 500 km from the coast there were entire groups of destroyers and submarines with tomahawks. message al safir "utter nonsense." as Putin said
    8. Ruslan_F38
      +8
      3 October 2013 12: 27
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Something made the United States abandon the warriors when everyone in the world was confident that it would be. There was only a question when.

      That's exactly "something", but this "something" is clearly not diplomacy. The United States does not give a damn about ours, and indeed anyone's or diplomatic attempts. The United States was specifically scared, that's just what, clearly not with an aspen stake.
    9. +10
      3 October 2013 13: 02
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What Putin suganul Obama we do not know for a very long time


      More precisely, never. We will never know for certain how the Russian Federation scared the United States.
      1. +1
        3 October 2013 21: 12
        Putin threatened Obama to send other liberals to the states of Chubais. Chubais was supposed to advise the Americans on how to boost their economy. Obama stopped military preparations in return for not sending liberals to America wassat
    10. +7
      3 October 2013 13: 05
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What Putin shuganul Obama we do not know for a very long time, but most importantly, there are no warriors.

      Hello Sanya! For me, this article is from the category of "ducks". True, it is in our favor, but everything is too fantastic. Okay, found it. Shot down (rejected) with what? The menacing face of our President? You're right, the fact remains - the States did not start the war, but the reasons for this are far from the content of the article.
      1. +5
        3 October 2013 14: 03
        Quote: IRBIS
        For me, this article is from the category of "ducks".

        Great San! More likely not a duck, but an assumption that made Obama give the back one. There will be many more assumptions and versions
        hi
        1. +1
          3 October 2013 14: 29
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There will be many more assumptions and versions.

          I agree. As always - the truth is somewhere nearby!
    11. Captain Vrungel
      +6
      3 October 2013 13: 55
      And if you think about it. Who trusts a glass jar, who overseas or offshore. Well ... "my rolina is where my pennies are." Who will growl at their "homeland". He will leave without an inheritance and with a bare bottom.
      1. +5
        3 October 2013 16: 03
        Zbigniew is an honest and frank enemy. His statements are a pleasure to read. Simple and clear ...
      2. +3
        3 October 2013 19: 09
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Will leave without an inheritance and with bare backside.

        Unconditionally trusting the words of the enemy is something new in military affairs. After "resorting to its nuclear potential," any currency is just rubbish. And without nuclear weapons, the rule applies: The winner gets EVERYTHING (except when he voluntarily refuses). And it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue with this. And for the sake of victory, you need to sacrifice something at the very beginning. Can you imagine a war without colossal financial losses? ("Oh, warhead, very dear! We will not shoot! We will save. So chtoli?) All the" bigwigs "guys are not just tough, but Cruel. Their "denyuzhka" cannot be broken, because a lot of people are trying to take this "denyuzhka" away from them 24 hours a day, and in most cases they themselves have taken it away from someone. Business is cruel, and war is a super profitable business for them. Will you argue? This statement by Brzezinski is an information war projectile aimed at our brain.
    12. +2
      3 October 2013 14: 46
      Probably the very same weapon based on new physical principles, but we still don’t know what it is, but it is most likely already tested, and in reality, so to speak in practice, now the new must be tested quickly, which was done, this is not the time when there were "dear Leonid Ilyich" and "so it is correct, with new thinking" now there is one leader and he gives orders clearly and they were most likely clearly executed, but this is my opinion !!!!
    13. rolik
      +1
      3 October 2013 15: 37
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I don’t know whether our missiles were shot down or not, turned to the side or simply scared

      So you can agree on the intervention of aliens who arrived from Aldebaran. Moreover, RenTV constantly broadcasts something about reptilians, then about gray dudes with huge eyes))))) Involuntarily, thoughts turn to the thought of the intervention of the star brothers)))) But I would like to believe that these guys did a test, so to speak, in kind some new complex. Moreover, it is said that they launched ballistic missiles. Or maybe it was not ballistic missiles, but cruise ones. The guys were mistaken with the appearance of rockets, with whom it does not happen. If you take the launch from the Bolear Islands, in a straight line over the sea, the distance for Tomahawk is the most. So they could splash ours.
  3. +3
    3 October 2013 10: 45
    If so ... That would be quite nice. what
    1. Zopuhhh
      +2
      3 October 2013 11: 00
      That would be very good.
  4. +19
    3 October 2013 10: 51
    Whatever anyone says, this situation is a vivid example of the brilliant work of the Russian leadership in foreign policy, in upholding the interests of the state !!!
    1. +12
      3 October 2013 12: 01
      I will say more: I again began to have a positive attitude towards Putin. Almost like 08.08.08. He believed that we are not abandoning our own. Well, Bashar al-Assad - man, there is someone to harness for.
      1. soldier's grandson
        -1
        3 October 2013 12: 13
        and on the contrary, I began to feel worse, and I have been like that from the very beginning of his reign, but about Syria the point is not that Assad is there, but that there’s nowhere to retreat further and our base is
  5. +12
    3 October 2013 10: 55
    As they say, the first battle is the most difficult! This crisis will go down in history as a brilliant victory for Russia and the beginning of the collapse of the hegemony of the Anglo-Saxons in the world.
    1. +4
      3 October 2013 11: 45
      That he will go down in history (has already entered), and this is indisputable in textbooks. But the article is full of speculation in my opinion.
      Obama made a mistake by drawing a red line. Victims of a chemical attack, including on his conscience, there would be no red line, then most likely there would be no chemical attack.
    2. +9
      3 October 2013 12: 09
      This is not the first fight. 08.08.08. We then did not grapple with the nutty tie eater. And with the whole Western world. What then did George W. Bush.ml say to Putin in Beijing? "There shouldn't be a war." But PUTIN either scored on this, or "forgot" to tell Medvedev. If you had not entered the war then, there would not have been this, not yet final, but success.
    3. +2
      3 October 2013 21: 17
      in general, if you think about it, Israel won. Without any pressure, it ensured the destruction of WMD of its most implacable enemy. As they say more in the region, there is nothing that could threaten the security of Israel.
  6. +9
    3 October 2013 10: 56
    Everything can be. At the moment, a small number of people actually know what happened. Maybe the truth will be revealed to our grandchildren! hi
  7. +5
    3 October 2013 10: 58
    It was not unknown. And if it was, we will find out in a few years.
    If this incident happened, then officially it still will not be confirmed. To increase tension, with the use of weapons no one needs. It is much easier and safer to make political statements.
    Despite our graters from the USA, no one will cross a certain line when it will be more difficult to brake.
  8. +7
    3 October 2013 11: 00
    Now another question arises. How will the US come out of the crisis (debt hole)? And whether it was decided to use our Russian potential to help overcome the crisis. It was not for nothing that DAM began to push such speeches.
    1. +3
      3 October 2013 11: 21
      Quote: nemec55
      Now another question arises. How will the US come out of the crisis (debt hole)?

      Generally these are their problems ...
      But, something will be. Now, most likely in their own territory. Like 9 / 11, or something out of the ordinary ...
      1. +4
        3 October 2013 11: 38
        I’m with both hands FOR. But over the past 100 years, these mushrooms have been looking for someone's hump and have taken it as a pleasure. You see, if the Germans are famous for their cultural technology and so on. Russians are victorious for their steadfastness and so on. Gentlemen, Americans are famous for their lies cynicism for greed and so on. Well, it’s the hardest to fight.
        1. +2
          3 October 2013 14: 06
          Quote: nemec55
          But over the past 100 years, these mushrooms have been looking for someone's hump and perl in pleasure

          Everything sooner or later comes to an end!
    2. +3
      3 October 2013 12: 12
      Quote: nemec55
      Now another question arises. How will the US come out of the crisis (debt hole)? And whether it was decided to use our Russian potential to help overcome the crisis.

      the choice is small ... or war (which, as usual, deducts everything) ... or someone’s economic potential (which will eventually be blown away) ... that's just whose? ... we’ll see soon ...
    3. olviko
      0
      3 October 2013 13: 02
      "Now another question arises. How will the United States get out of the crisis (debt hole)?"

      Maybe like in the well-known conspiracy scheme: "The world elite plans to bring down the dollar, there is a plan for a single global currency, one world economy. The goal is to create a new global economic and energy structure by removing the US dollar as a reserve currency in the world. By subordinating the US to the global one. power structure. And with it comes one world power structure to control this new world financial order. Thanks to the policies of the Federal Reserve and this regime of economic psychopaths, the US is in a very deep financial distress. The dollar collapse and wreaks havoc in the US. more municipal bankruptcies, similar to Detroit. New York may go bankrupt after Detroit, said Mayor Michael Bloomberg. He has already headed for a financial apocalypse. " The United States will simply donate, no country, no debt. As they say, nothing personal, just business.
      http://imperiya.by/news.html?id=117193
    4. +3
      3 October 2013 14: 05
      Quote: nemec55
      So how will the US come out of the crisis (debt hole)? And whether it was decided to use our Russian potential to help overcome the crisis

      Can you imagine the possibilities of Russia and the debt of the USA? Putin is not a sucker, that would be stupid to buy the world for loot. Medvedev is not at all involved here.
  9. +6
    3 October 2013 11: 01
    This is the source! All laid out on shelves. Hope that plays on our side. wink
  10. SolomonSS
    +3
    3 October 2013 11: 02
    My opinion on the article, as everything is idealized, was that our missiles were shot down, and the head of intelligence contacted the intelligence of America, and victory at the political level and everything turned out very well, just like in a fairy tale. There are doubts about this right away. In my opinion, this is a release of information in the Internet media, so that we are proud of our government and nothing more.
    But there’s nothing to be proud of, the state is not trying for its people, and no social improvement is expected on the horizon, it’s more likely that everything will get worse.
    1. +3
      3 October 2013 12: 05
      I set - for if all efforts and resources are directed to the social network, there will be neither one nor the other, the article may not be true, but in light of recent events, the government, or rather the work of the President and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has something to be proud of
      1. Dima67
        +3
        3 October 2013 12: 55
        He is very proud of nothing, for so many years they decided to hammer a bolt on mattresses and mattress covers. It is his duty to protect the interests of Russia. And if we started to snap back being cornered, then it’s just nowhere else to go. In short, long live the mind, let the insanity disappear.
  11. +3
    3 October 2013 11: 05
    If this is true, then we should be proud of our army and its supreme commander.
    1. +1
      3 October 2013 11: 45
      Quote: Jamal
      If this is true, then we should be proud of our army and its supreme commander.

      and who will tell us the truth? ... however, even if we hear a completely different version, we now will not believe the adversaries ... these will be the machinations of imperialism ... anyway, there is only one way out - to be proud, proud and proud .. . our chief commander ...
  12. 0
    3 October 2013 11: 06
    And if the USA wanted to scare Assad only? ...
    1. HAM
      +8
      3 October 2013 11: 42
      Yes, they have already "scared" Hussein, Gaddafi, Milosevic.
      1. +2
        3 October 2013 12: 41
        Yes, they do not "climb" with another aggression, so the Russian military presence in the Mediterranean looks to me not as a confrontation, but as an excuse to quit the game with a good expression.
  13. +5
    3 October 2013 11: 07
    No matter how intermediate events develop, the result determines Russia's position as the most acceptable in the current situation. only rabid hawks from the Pentagon can oppose this.
  14. +2
    3 October 2013 11: 07
    The head of the Russian intelligence service contacted American intelligence and said that “a strike on Damascus means a strike on Moscow, and we removed the term “shot down two missiles” from the statement in order to maintain bilateral relations and avoid escalation.

    Sounds straight soul warms for a fundamentally firm position.
    from a NATO base in Spain, they were instantly spotted by Russian radars and collided with the defense systems of Russia - so one of them exploded in the air, and the second course was deviated towards the sea».

    It’s embarrassing just from a base from Spain, although it was probably handy from the same base in Italy, well, the dedicated one is happy that we have such systems that disable missiles and knock off course but about the second missile ... it flew over the sea and it turns out that they did not take her to the side of the sea but drowned in the sea before letting them reach Syria.
    In general, it’s muddy ... but then something really happened and it happens, it’s a fact, but will we find out?
    1. +1
      3 October 2013 11: 36
      Quote: Scoun
      It’s embarrassing just from a base from Spain, although it was probably handy from the same base in Italy, well, the highlighted one is happy that we have such systems that disable missiles and knock off course but about the second missile

      Arabs are raving, but you believe everything, which is nice?
      How old are you?
      1. +2
        3 October 2013 12: 56
        Quote: ATATA
        Do you believe everything

        If I wrote that "warms the soul" and does not put it in quotes, it does not mean that I believe everything
        PS. In my post, there is just no faith, but there are doubts, on the other hand, there were missile launches and the situation in launching missiles was cloudy, and only then Israel took over and after a while they announced that, together with the United States, which had previously been in the "mouth of water" ...
        1. 0
          3 October 2013 22: 34
          Quote: Scoun
          and only then Israel took over and after a while they announced that together with the United States, which had previously been in the "mouth of water".

          So what?
          Most Arabs know how to write only Allahu Akbar!
          That's why they write and read nonsense, but what are you?
  15. +10
    3 October 2013 11: 08
    The first and main ... launches were recorded. Second, when striking Syria, there are not so many calculated missile trajectories ... and at key points they will have to intersect with the ships of the Russian Navy outside the territorial waters of Syria ... naturally there will be no chance to shoot at them ... and warn Syria about launching a missile strike.
  16. +1
    3 October 2013 11: 08
    The news is not new, but pleasant ...
  17. +8
    3 October 2013 11: 11
    Everything is very simple. The question immediately arises: purely theoretically, WHAT could we bring down two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean Sea?
    1. +4
      3 October 2013 11: 37
      Quote: Wedmak
      How could we bring down two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean?

      A perfectly legitimate question. hi
      1. soldier's grandson
        +6
        3 October 2013 11: 44
        forced to self-destruct, this is our hackers tried
        1. +3
          3 October 2013 12: 06
          Yeah, yeah ... they must have laughed out loud and the rockets from a fright flopped into the water.
          1. +1
            3 October 2013 21: 20
            in truth, the Russian mat has great power)) laughing
    2. +1
      3 October 2013 11: 50
      Quote: Wedmak
      Everything is very simple. The question immediately arises: purely theoretically, WHAT could we bring down two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean Sea?

      it doesn’t matter anymore ... only the serving and the sauce are important ... wink
    3. Gari
      +10
      3 October 2013 12: 02
      Quote: Wedmak
      Everything is very simple. The question immediately arises: purely theoretically, WHAT could we bring down two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean Sea?


      Retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Rick Francon recently appeared on CNN. The retired officer said there were two Russian reconnaissance ships packed with the latest electronic equipment in the Mediterranean. According to the lieutenant colonel, Russian intelligence officers calmly record not only missile launches of any type, but even the preparation of Tomahawks for launch, which is being carried out inside the ship.

      http://www.rg.ru/2013/09/05/tsel.html
      1. soldier's grandson
        +3
        3 October 2013 12: 19
        if they record the launch and preparation of missiles, then they must also make adjustments for the target, which in this case happened, it is not necessary to shoot them down with missiles
      2. +4
        3 October 2013 12: 25
        Quote: Gari
        According to the lieutenant colonel, Russian intelligence officers calmly record not only missile launches of any type, but even the preparation of Tomahawks for launch, which is being carried out inside the ship.

        and then what? ... form a powerful focused telepathic rapport to undermine a warhead? ...
        What is the hidden meaning of such an interview and what audience is it intended for? ... a tale about the "global Russian cap" that covered the world? ...
        1. +2
          3 October 2013 13: 07
          a tale about the "global Russian cap" that covered the world?

          Well, at least something new ... otherwise Russians with hand bears, nuclear-pumped balalaikas ... laughing
          And then all of a sudden! belay
    4. +1
      3 October 2013 12: 04
      An analogue of the S-300 sea-based (if not close).
      1. +2
        3 October 2013 12: 23
        And can he intercept ballistic targets? In my opinion, no.
        1. +1
          3 October 2013 21: 22
          a stupid provocative newspaper has launched a duck that even the Arabs themselves (adequate) do not
          believed, and here we are wondering how we could bring her down)))) fellow
  18. Senya Gorbunkov
    -1
    3 October 2013 11: 11
    Quote: olegff68
    Whatever anyone says, this situation is a vivid example of the brilliant work of the Russian leadership in foreign policy, in upholding the interests of the state !!!

    And I would remind you of how all sorts of "posriots" broke loose from the chain, foaming at the mouth or smiling sweetly, proving that the time of GDP had passed and that "fresh blood" was needed, people who think in different patterns ..
    It’s clear, because the further fate of mankind painted, but without Russia, or rather, at the expense of the resources and territories of Russia, a further circus of "dialectical materialism" could develop for about another 300-400 years, and then, suckers from "anthill No. 13" will be declared that they are suckers of a planetary scale, who they destroyed their own space house with their own hands .. it is our own fault, we informed you with films in 3-d, you knew the truth, or rather guessed what looks like the truth, and now excuse me, there are a couple of planets with suckers in the bargain awaiting us.

    By the way, logic brought to "perfection", as an undeniable template of thinking, is also "their" invention.
  19. -1
    3 October 2013 11: 17
    Rather, I believe that the aliens shot down these missiles, like a Chelyabinsk meteorite. Ballistic targets ... did our missile defense appear and cover the Mediterranean Sea? Dreamers, these - http://mixednews.ru/
  20. Grigorich 1962
    +3
    3 October 2013 11: 18
    Yes, we took the first round of the Syrian confrontation between the USA and Russia .....
    What these nits will come up with in the second round is still unclear .... but the fact that everything has not ended is unambiguous. Now we have this hitch with the funding of the US Government ... very much into our hands ... maybe thanks to this the Americans will leave the Syrian shores and there will be no second round ... although ... I watched RenTV yesterday ... and the program "We never dreamed of" ... the words of Vanga were once again confirmed .... ".. the world will stand until Syria falls" .... believe it or not ... difficult .... time will tell
    1. olviko
      +1
      3 October 2013 13: 48
      If you want another portion of conspiracy theories:
      From the author: "In the past 24 hours, I have had two separate conversations with two different sources, each saying almost the same thing: Be prepared for the unexpected. You need to wake up. Understand that everything we said is a lie. We are at the very epicenter of the “perfect storm.” The first words coming from my source within the intelligence community say a lot: “These people [the Obama regime and his mentors]“ pissed. ”They didn't get what they wanted with Syria because we got ahead of them by organizing 'Benghazi' for them. Alternative media also 'made them', but that does not mean that they gave up. Far from it. What does that mean? It is that they have the same goal, but changed their plans. " ... To be clear, I asked about the ultimate goals of their game. “Humiliation of America as a viable global power, economically and militarily. They expect people's attention to be directed to the political theater, which is exactly what is happening right now with the budget failure. But no one is looking through the eyes of the one who is behind the scenes and whether they are there, and if they are, very few of those who notice understand what they are seeing. The goal is to create a new global economic and energy structure by removing the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. By subordinating the US to the global structure. power. Why no one in the media talks about it? Because they are complicit. Why most of those who work in "alternative media" do not talk about it? Because they do not look at the big picture. The lie is so big. that they are unable to understand. "
      People must understand that China and Russia are clearly aware of our economic and military vulnerabilities and are exploiting these vulnerabilities. China positions its economy as the dominant one in the world. In addition, they have increased their military power to surpass the United States, "he added.
      “Currently, the Russians are teaming up with the Chinese and conducting military exercises. Remember that in 2008, a military simulation was conducted with the participation of the US Joint Strike Force, when F-35 fighters were against Russian Su-35 heavy fighters. It was clear that the Russians easily won. With JSF F-35, the United States dealt with like children. "I have no doubt that the Chinese and Russians position themselves as dominating the United States militarily. Due to the fact that Russia pushed the United States aside in the situation with Syria, this the moment is very important, "- that's what the financial insider said. Along with the information I received from my intelligence source, V added that the clock of the US dollar, which plays the role of the world's reserve currency, is ticking like a time bomb.
      Another source, a financial insider who uses the pseudonym “V, The Guerrilla Economist” on the Internet, said about the current liquidity crisis in the United States. "We broke down, went bankrupt, and not by accident, but by design. He also added that there is obviously a plan for one global currency, one world economy. And with him comes one world power structure to control this new world financial order." http://imperiya.by/news.html?id=117193

      .. believe it or not ... it's hard .... time will tell





      .
    2. +1
      3 October 2013 22: 08
      Already come up with. Today our diplomatic mission in Libya has been evacuated to Tunisia. And yesterday, a treacherous attack was committed on our diplomats and the embassy in Libya. So, still to come.
  21. +5
    3 October 2013 11: 19
    Sometimes it's just useful to play a crazy person who is ready for anything, confusing others. "Kuzkina's mother" is also not a bad weapon in certain circumstances.
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  23. Boot under the carpet
    0
    3 October 2013 11: 19
    Quote: Xroft
    I copied this article 3 weeks ago, but the admins apparently considered it not interesting ........ how things change when Russia wins political victories :)

    Not the fact that the disposal of chemical weapons in Syria will be a political victory for Russia! Today may be yes, but tomorrow ... who knows. Another provocation, and Assad has no deterrent to external aggression.
    1. +3
      3 October 2013 12: 30
      When these initiatives began, in chem. weapon, I somehow did not like it. Immediately suspiciously, all this western scum calmed down! Gaddafi let journalists into his military facilities, so what? (!). I HOPE Assad will show and pass on only a portion of his "chemical" shield.
  24. shitovmg
    +6
    3 October 2013 11: 27
    Such information caresses eyes and ears, but !!! Why only 2 missiles, and not a massive strike ??? Why so far??? There are a lot of questions, but on that day there were failures with mobile communications, to be honest, I thought that "Putin turned off the railway service" - the lesson with Georgia went for the future!
  25. soldier's grandson
    +3
    3 October 2013 11: 28
    it’s good that NATO made it clear that we control not only our skies, about the downing of a rocket and the avoidance of another, I think that we did it sooner, but what is the point of the Jews and Amers throwing rockets between themselves and knocking them together?
  26. +3
    3 October 2013 11: 29
    Honestly, I doubt that our two missiles were shot down.
    All the same, I think it was a check.
    But the fact that Russia is ready to bring them down both technically and politically
    no one had any doubts.
  27. +6
    3 October 2013 11: 41
    A beautiful version that the diplomatic dialogue was confirmed by technical capabilities and a tough military position ... The rest, just guess ...
  28. +6
    3 October 2013 11: 45
    The story is muddy with these launches. And I more willingly believe that ours shot them down in international waters and pointed out to NATO that the missiles would go astray, and information on launches would be transmitted to the Syrians, but about the ultimatum "a missile in Damascus is a missile in Moscow" - something somehow I can't believe it.
    Around the same time, the Americans lost Ф22 and 4th cr in Jordan. Jordanians confirmed through mass media that the Americans lost F22 (made reconnaissance flight near the borders of Syria). True, there was no comment from the American, nor from the Syrian, nor from our authorities on this matter.
    1. +1
      3 October 2013 21: 24
      Quote: Kubatai
      Around the same time, the Americans lost Ф22 and 4th cr in Jordan. Jordanians confirmed through mass media that the Americans lost F22 (made reconnaissance flight near the borders of Syria). True, there was no comment from the American, nor from the Syrian, nor from our authorities on this matter.


      also turned out to be a duck. in that issue of the los angeles times there wasn’t such information at all, but as for the other newspaper (I forgot the name of the newspaper), it turned out that there wasn’t such a newspaper at all))
  29. Jogan-xnumx
    +7
    3 October 2013 11: 47
    Everything can be ... As one of the versions of events - it has the right to exist. Over time, maybe we'll find out the truth ... what
    Russian diplomacy, with rare exceptions, has always been at its best. Unlike pi.ndos, who are used to resolving conflicts either by force or arrogance. Even according to the historical "age" of countries, an analogy can be drawn: the United States is a pimply and cocky overgrown youth with increased hormonal pressure on the brain gyrus, who has cut out a huge brass knuckles from a piece of iron and is eager to prove his superiority by bullying the courtyard boys, and Russia is a wise fighter with life and experience , who fought many fights, won many victories with his own blood and therefore especially appreciates peace and tranquility.
    Well do not compete with the pi.ndosam with Russia! tongue Even - with a big brass knuckles, if the Russians stubborn ... IMHO hi
  30. Alikovo
    +1
    3 October 2013 12: 10
    Yes, he doesn’t. always want to play war games. hunting hunt them.
  31. honest jew
    -6
    3 October 2013 12: 13
    Quote: BigLexey
    I really want to believe in the revival of our military power, I want to believe that our elites realized that they can exist safely only in prosperous Russia.

    In another article, Medvedev clearly said that he would have to tighten his belts for many years, so that one can only dream of a revival of Russia's military power hi
    1. +6
      3 October 2013 15: 33
      You are still dreaming, my native defense plant is working to its fullest! laughing laughing laughing
  32. pahom54
    +7
    3 October 2013 12: 18
    Honestly, I want to BELIEVE that our influences on missile launches, I really want to! And in the negotiations between the heads of intelligence and the Foreign Ministry - too. Now, reasons for being proud of one’s country so rarely began to appear (even hockey players do not give the same joy), that for me any reason is a holiday! Eh, they would have lived to such times when Russia said the USA and the hangers-on didn’t even dare to yap ... But these are all dreams, dreams ... I hope they will come true in a year ...
  33. +5
    3 October 2013 12: 35
    One fact. Recently it was announced without a pump that a space object, about the size of a Chelyabinsk meteorite, flew past the earth. Passed in 11 thousands of kilometers from the atmosphere, almost literally struck by space standards. What is the salt? He was spotted and accompanied by the Russian detection system! It turns out that we have a certain system consisting of telescopes operating on various physical principles, which can detect and accompany even cosmic objects moving at orbital speeds. That literally yesterday was considered fundamentally impossible .... But you can shoot down anything if you have time for a proportionate reaction.
    1. +1
      3 October 2013 13: 09
      Attribute to the fact: they found out at the last moment when it would be too late to grab the trigger, if there was one.
      1. +2
        3 October 2013 15: 18
        Right. That is - it may be true how last was the moment ... with the Chelyabinsk meteorite, which precisely aimed at Ufa, is also a lot of obscure. But no one except our last meteorite has not noticed at all! And this testifies - our early warning systems made a qualitative leap.
        1. +1
          3 October 2013 15: 42
          with the Chelyabinsk meteorite, which precisely threw in Ufa, also a lot of obscure.

          If methyl, then would get. Do not doubt. None of the air defense systems today is capable of shooting down a ballistic target with a speed greater than 7 km / s.
    2. +1
      3 October 2013 21: 25
      why then the Chelyabinsk meteorite was not shot down?))
      1. +1
        3 October 2013 21: 36
        Quote: lonely
        why then the Chelyabinsk meteorite was not shot down?))

        if you read the forums, then shot down.
        1. +2
          3 October 2013 22: 57
          Quote: Cynic
          if you read the forums, then shot down.


          Well, if you read the forums .to Tula and Pskov paratroopers are already fighting in Washington itself and Obama is going to run to Africa to his grandmother))
          1. +1
            4 October 2013 10: 04
            Quote: lonely
            then the Tula and Pskov paratroopers are already fighting in Washington itself and Obama is going to run to Africa to his grandmother))

            Do you think that is unrealistic?
            And about Hussein Obama, it is very likely that he was repeatedly visited by the thought
            Damn that day when I sat behind the steering wheel of this vacuum cleaner!
    3. Asan Ata
      +1
      3 October 2013 21: 38
      All telescopes monitor the skies: the satellites, first of all, everything that moves, secondly. What the Russian saw, it just so happened. Then this byak flew at a distance of a million kilometers.
  34. -2
    3 October 2013 12: 44
    Quote: Altona
    A beautiful version that the diplomatic dialogue was confirmed by technical capabilities and a tough military position ... The rest, just guess ...

    well-roasted and seasoned ducklings ... winked
  35. DPN
    +2
    3 October 2013 12: 48
    If this is true, then this is pride in your country and its strength, and it seems like the truth - there are NO WARs yet!
    and God forbid that it was not.
  36. +2
    3 October 2013 12: 50
    Everything painfully beautiful and tasty. Only when the economy is in ... opera, is the army and navy there, along with the entire population (without oligarchs and thieving officials). But still I want it to be like in the article. BECAUSE THE F-22 BANGED SOMEONE.
  37. +1
    3 October 2013 12: 59
    Kind! Be that as it may, the victory is won! There were facts of shooting down - they were not, but one fact is exact - there are no Americans in Syria!
  38. +1
    3 October 2013 13: 04
    It doesn't matter how, the result is important! Sometimes a word is stronger than weapons and Russia, this "Word" uttered. This is what made it possible to form the international public opinion of the majority, and those in power had only to "listen" - they simply had no other choice. Unfortunately, not only advertising, the engine of trade, but also war, so there is no reason to hope that the issue of aggression has been completely removed - the US financial system feels too bad.


    Quote: Senya Gorbunkov
    And I would remind you of how all sorts of "patriots" broke off the chain, foaming at the mouth or smiling sweetly, proving that the time of the GDP had passed and that "fresh blood" was needed, people thinking in other patterns ..
    Interesting! What's so disliked about Senya's statement is true. After all, this is obvious - some simply adjust to the general mood, managing to curse and blame VVP for all sins in one topic, to defend the swamp army, and in another, it is already "fun to twist its tail" and almost shout "Glory to VVP".
    1. +1
      3 October 2013 15: 27
      In the beginning was the word. And the word was - horn! Do you seriously, responsibly believe that Westerners can be stopped by chatter ?! Since the times of Adam and Eve, this has never worked. Already Cain began to defend his point of view with ketmen ... yes. And Adam and Eve yourself know who they did not perceive by ear. I don’t believe in a purely verbal victory. Kill him ...
      1. +1
        3 October 2013 19: 18
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Do you seriously, responsibly believe that Westerners can be stopped by chatter ?!

        And you, it seems, think that it was not diplomacy in Russia that brought, albeit short-term, success in the Syrian issue?
  39. 0
    3 October 2013 13: 08
    All the same, they did not merge Syria. They didn’t allow the battle. And all this is by the power of the word. not a weapon. No wonder they say a word can hurt more than a knife. Could diplomats save Syria, well done! And if what happens, we will help you by force. Although hardly war ALREADY will not.
    1. Peaceful military
      +2
      3 October 2013 14: 09
      Although it is unlikely, there will NOT be a war.

      Dear Dmitry!
      Why such confidence?soldier
  40. 0
    3 October 2013 13: 09
    rave.
    not pit.
    article is nonsense.
  41. 0
    3 October 2013 13: 16
    Source who? A cleaning lady Baba Klava from a nearby entrance?
  42. Peaceful military
    +3
    3 October 2013 13: 17
    source noted ...

    This is from the OBS area (one grandmother said). Maybe yes, maybe not ... how to check? Although it sounds nice.smile
    followed by European statements of principle

    Well, not really like that. The luminaries of democracy and the main NATO force, the Estonian presidents, the foreign minister, and the defense minister clearly stated that they had to be bombed (they would have bombed themselves, but nothing).wassat
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  44. +4
    3 October 2013 14: 29
    Duck with apples! (WITH)
  45. 0
    3 October 2013 14: 35
    Quote: Neighbor
    Yes, they do not "climb" with another aggression, so the Russian military presence in the Mediterranean looks to me not as a confrontation, but as an excuse to quit the game with a good expression.

    An absolutely correct point of view. After all, 5 years ago, Russia stood up for the "ally", and suddenly here. And the Western world is distinguished by its peacefulness, why confrontation. Do not admit that the money for aggression is rotten.
    1. +1
      3 October 2013 21: 28
      Quote: samoletil18
      ... After all, 5 years ago, Russia stood up for an "ally"


      I'm sorry, of course, but Russia stood up not for the "ally", but for its peacekeepers and for those people who had Russian passports in their pockets.
  46. +1
    3 October 2013 14: 35
    Was there a boy? Yes, of course it was, and it is. A boy sits somewhere on the outskirts of London and throws ideas on the site of military experts. And suddenly, one of the colonels and generals will merge the next comma, or maybe tell me the version. Why not check. The analytical sieve will sift through everything.
    What is the difference now from where the missiles started and where they fell. Heads of intelligence contacted - that's a fact. After the death of KURSK, the CIA chief also came to Moscow.
    History repeats itself. Missiles did not fly and the conflict did not receive tragic development. This is the main thing. At least partial revenge for KURSK.
  47. +2
    3 October 2013 15: 04
    Maybe all these landing ships were loaded with something?
    For example containers with a "club"?
  48. +1
    3 October 2013 15: 13
    Or maybe Russia promised to remove all its money from American banks? In this economic situation, this is a powerful blow.
    1. stroporez
      0
      4 October 2013 11: 02
      Quote: oapvokin
      promised to remove all her money from American banks?
      it’s not necessary to fall into whim at all ............ I think this will never happen, unfortunately ..........
  49. +4
    3 October 2013 15: 14
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    And if you think about it. Who trusts a glass jar, who overseas or offshore. Well ... "my rolina is where my pennies are." Who will growl at their "homeland". He will leave without an inheritance and with a bare bottom.


    As for the picture with a Polish Jew: "the so-called" elite "has never been ours. It is enough to look at the faces of most of them. The elite are our scientists, outstanding thinkers, destroyed nobles, officers of the tsarist army, and this is an ordinary scum, which, I personally I would wipe it off the face of the earth along with all their fellow tribesmen.
  50. Cat
    +4
    3 October 2013 15: 27
    What can I say on this article ...
    Well-informed diplomatic source

    - can be considered as such only because at one time he had the opportunity to repeatedly get drunk with the assistant plumber of the American embassy in Honduras. Accordingly, confusing a ballistic missile and a CD is not much more difficult for him than confusing an anti-ship missile and a MANPADS. Moreover, examples of such "competence" - dofiga and a little more, including on this site.
    On the other hand, in any state, regardless of the level of "democracy", there are secrets - for the disclosure of which, confinement in a chamber 2x1 m in size, located, respectively, at a depth of 2 m from the surface of the ground, is definitely required. So even if this source knew something like that, it could deliberately distort the information, out of harm's way.

    In reality, the following is known: something started from somewhere, flew, but did not fly and fell into the sea, and Russia was involved in the fact of a shortage somehow. After which, (or by a strange coincidence?) Obama suddenly changed his mind about bombing Damascus. And all - no more specifics, just idle speculation.
    And even if one of the parties suddenly decides to voice the details of this event - most likely, 99 percent of the explanation will consist of diplomatic verbiage, but our descendants will know the truth only after three hundred years. Unless, of course, humanity until then dies to the appropriate mother - because of how to chase away a cataclysm such as global warming, the 4th World War, or there invasion of green men.
  51. +1
    3 October 2013 15: 33
    Nonsense. If this was the beginning of a military operation, then why two missiles, and not twenty-two. Diplomatic triumph I agree there haven’t been such victories for a long time. But diplomatic victories don’t happen if the “Eagles” and “Topol M” are not behind the diplomats. But it’s too early to enjoy a victory; although it’s a very significant victory, it’s still a tactical one. I'm sure everyone understands the mess, Obama doesn't solve anything. The path to world domination and hundreds of billions are at stake. dolarof. Tomorrow, some kind of something, somewhere will be used again and Russia will be turned again into an evil empire covering vampires who drink the blood of Jewish babies. Mattresses do not completely, although endlessly eat French fries (the British recently proved that French fries contain substances that inhibit mental development) and They understand that even though ours will not get into an open confrontation, they will record the launches of axes and maybe carry out target designation for interceptors in Syria, who knows. This means it won’t be an easy walk, and the surroundings are impossible. In general, everything is not so clear and sad.
    P.S. Honest guy, if you live in the promised land, pray for Assed, otherwise God forbid the guys from Langley kill him, then you will understand that Hamaz and Hezbalah were just a children's party.
  52. 0
    3 October 2013 15: 59
    in order to avoid even greater embarrassment for America, Washington demanded that Tel Aviv take over this launch so that the United States could save face in front of the world community


    The Americans haven’t had a face for a long time... They won’t start a war with two missiles - 200 or more as a start...
  53. +2
    3 October 2013 16: 23
    As soon as the budget is adopted. This is how the fighting begins. Possibly under any (far-fetched) pretext.
  54. +1
    3 October 2013 16: 38
    Moderators shouldn’t publish such nonsense on the site. Husk!
    1. +4
      3 October 2013 17: 20
      Quote: Chen
      Moderators shouldn’t publish such nonsense on the site. Husk!

      Yes Yes .
      And Israel’s statement on these ballistic targets means mona ?! Once it's official? True, no one has a penny of faith, but it’s official.
      What's interesting at the moment is 9/149.
      We will not know the truth about the reasons for the undershoot now, for many reasons. Painfully trump information.
      I just ask you to think about it._When all countries were quietly perplexed in response to Russia’s statement about the launch of ballistic targets, only England confirmed this information about the launches. The only one! And then its parliament split its participation in the war with Syria.
      What's just like that?
      By the way, the British only confirmed the fact and nothing more.
      And the reason could even be the substandard ballistic targets, even the use of black doors in microcircuits by someone.
      We remember about Polaris.
      Fact _ We didn’t make it.
      Fact _ The Yusovites and the Israelis are blatantly lying and some people on the forum are supporting them..., hmm, singing along!

      I do not like when someone lies to me. And I'm tired of the truth too.
    2. 0
      3 October 2013 21: 30
      I think this is not the first time they published an article that is complete nonsense. Yesterday Yanukovych used an anti-tank missile to raise a column of water 80 meters))) and today the Americans are launching missiles from Spain into Syria)))
      1. 0
        4 October 2013 09: 53
        Quote: lonely
        and today the Americans are launching missiles from Spain into Syria

        Also a method of humiliation _ From the general context we select something that is more than doubtful, and on the basis of this we disavow everything else.
        Sophistry however.
  55. -2
    3 October 2013 17: 32
    Quote: Bashkaus
    in 1242, Russian troops under the command of Alexander Nevsky won a convincing victory on Lake Onega

    Actually, in 1242, Lake Peipus was, and the fact of the battle on the ice raises great doubts among historians, i.e. There was a skirmish, but its scale may have been somewhat exaggerated.
    And the article, to put it mildly, is dreams and fantasies...
    1. Asan Ata
      0
      3 October 2013 21: 40
      And Batu’s soldiers helped Nevsky. This is a type of proto-Russian-Kazakh alliance.))))
  56. +5
    3 October 2013 17: 46
    It’s already been said here... I’ll repeat it, but: in football there is a term - “look at the scoreboard!!!”

    so, Putin made a joke, Obama crap himself, the missiles were shot down or they fell out of fright - what's the difference. Putin is a security officer; he does not disclose either his methods of doing business or his sources. Someday we may find out. And right now, why does he need to put pressure on the Amers, he agreed with them not to force them, to give them the opportunity to save face. And he always keeps his word.

    (otherwise it’s clear to the whole world that ours made them)
    1. -1
      3 October 2013 18: 05
      Quote: Silkway0026

      Putin is a security officer...

      is it... like... "clean hands, warm heart..."? feel
      1. +3
        3 October 2013 18: 25
        what, no? any objections?
        1. 0
          4 October 2013 09: 55
          Quote: Alexkorzun
          what, no? any objections?

          yes, no question... enjoy...
      2. +1
        4 October 2013 10: 06
        Quote: military
        it's... like... "clean hands, warm heart..."

        Not .
        COLD MIND!
        1. 0
          4 October 2013 11: 42
          Quote: Cynic
          Quote: military
          it's... like... "clean hands, warm heart..."

          Not .
          COLD MIND!

          that is?... taking into account your categorical “No” we get... “unclean hands, cold heart, cold head”?... no damn thing!... an interesting “chekist” is emerging... belay "Iron Felix" is resting...
          1. 0
            4 October 2013 12: 40
            Quote: military
            that is?..

            Quote: Silkway0026
            Putin is a security officer,

            This is like, my personal opinion, _
            Quote: Cynic
            COLD MIND!

            Quote: military
            Taking into account your categorical “No,” we get... “unclean hands, cold heart, cold head”?

            Not original .
            Not to mention the distortion of my statement.
            A cool head and a cool mind are not the same thing.
            1. 0
              4 October 2013 13: 05
              Quote: Cynic
              A cool head and a cool mind are not the same thing.

              let it be “MIND”... since you insist... I, in general, was interested (if you noticed) in other attributes - “clean hands, warm heart...”
  57. swine
    +1
    3 October 2013 19: 33
    Unverifiable information.
    Just as useful as discussions about life on the moon Aldebaran, for example.
  58. 0
    3 October 2013 19: 35
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Judging by the article, the missiles were shot down, I wonder what? Or our ships worked well, or maybe ours used unconventional types of defensive systems. One can only guess.

    Somehow, two or three months ago, I offered the site an article “Anti-weapons” by engineer Kashinov, but they didn’t post it, apparently it didn’t fit. But those who want to learn about unconventional types, just not sex, but weapons, can read here http://www.in-gazeta .narod.ru/6/kachin.html and http://www.rusidea.org/?a=34001, and then as in one famous song: “Think for yourself, decide for yourself To have or not to have!” Why did you buy it? , that's why I'm selling it. Judging by the situation with the strike on Syria, anything can happen in this world.
  59. 0
    3 October 2013 20: 29
    An article about how we would all like it to be like this in reality!
    But what was it really like? I think we’ll wait and see and find out, but definitely not right now.
    although the article must be admittedly put together beautifully))
    1. +2
      3 October 2013 20: 49
      Only the article was sewn not by a “tailor”, but by a plumber. The suit came out crooked
    2. +1
      3 October 2013 21: 32
      nice white suit with black threads
  60. +2
    3 October 2013 20: 33
    Why would the Yusovites start firing ballistics at Syria? They are not all the same! This means that these are training launches. It is possible to shoot them down with ship's air defenses. But it is impossible to deviate the trajectory of ballistics on the march. And in the article one missile was rejected. Our missile defense station detected the missile launch and guided them. It is a fact. Everything else is a duck
    1. wax
      +1
      3 October 2013 23: 56
      I think that two missiles were flying towards Syria and were detected by ours, there is no doubt in view of the message from our Ministry of Defense and Shoigu’s report to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. An excuse in the form test launches of BALLISTIC missiles, I think, can be completely rejected, because. There should have been a warning, as there always is. And in a situation where the sea is filled with WARships from different countries, such a decision is similar to schizophrenia. The fact that these missiles were shot down (or one of them) is not a fact of either ours or the Israelis (can you imagine that not only missiles were launched in the area where our fleet was located, but also Israeli ANTI-MISSILES? I can’t). The fact is that two missiles fell into the sea, approximately 300 km short of the Syrian coast. This is where you need to dance. So, ballistics or not ballistics? Most likely the missiles were NOT ballistic. Well, maybe someone paid attention to Assad’s statement that Syria could blind Israel.
      1. wax
        +1
        4 October 2013 00: 33
        I'll add. It is also obviously stupid to assume that the United States would start bombing with two missiles. Now logic leads to what? Moreover, the missiles were, after all, Israeli, but not training, and their goal was to provoke a war.
        Everything was so well planned, but there was a bummer. The time for unpunished Israeli raids into Syria is over. This time. And two, the States saw where what they thought was a controlled escalation of military preparations and belligerent rhetoric had taken them. Well, maybe you noticed that on such a serious matter, ours almost laughed it off, for the sake of order, but meowed very lazily like guys, well, you can’t test missiles in such an area, a war could start.
  61. Alex666
    +1
    3 October 2013 20: 36
    Russia suddenly stood up for Syria, and is even ready to fight for it? What nonsense! Russia did not help its allies - Milosevic in Yugoslavia, Hussein, Gaddafi, etc. And then suddenly they equated a strike on Damascus to a strike on Moscow! Complete nonsense...
    1. +2
      3 October 2013 20: 45
      Yes, even if you remove the political background, the tactical situation itself does not exist. It's kind of stupid.
  62. +1
    3 October 2013 21: 16
    "Why? Because at the moment when the full-scale operation was launched, the head of the Russian intelligence service contacted American intelligence and said that “a strike on Damascus means a strike on Moscow, and we removed the term “shot down two missiles” from the statement in order to save bilateral relations and avoid escalation. Therefore, you must immediately reconsider your policy, approach and intentions regarding the Syrian crisis, and must also ensure that you do not succeed in eliminating our presence in the Mediterranean." "I would believe that such a thing could be said. our military/diplomats during the USSR. And not only on the sidelines, but also for the whole world. It even reminds us that the USSR will defend the borders of Mongolia as its own (with the threat of an attack from Japan) - but now this is not for us. Unfortunately. Wrong country, wrong time.
    1. +2
      3 October 2013 23: 21
      A detailed conversation between the leaders of the two largest intelligence services in the world is being shared on the Internet! Wow, what is the world coming to..... It's not even funny
  63. smiths xnumx
    +3
    3 October 2013 21: 21
    Well, this is how we conflict...
  64. Asan Ata
    0
    3 October 2013 21: 57
    Two versions of the destruction of ballistic missiles:
    1. In 1985-1990, a highly efficient ultra-high-frequency generator was developed in Moscow using a powerful relativistic electron beam, operating at frequencies calculated from the dielectric gaps in the on-board computers of the intended targets of the alleged enemy (a quarter of the wavelength, well, who knows, intelligence obtained). During these 20-25 years, they probably made something. This is how they shied away. And from earth or space, who knows.
    2. Our guys, in the places where these missiles are assembled, have installed remote liquidators. In this case, wait for all media to be returned to the bases for verification.

    Smoke without fire does not happen.
    1. -1
      4 October 2013 09: 48
      Quote: Asan Ata
      Two versions of the destruction of ballistic missiles: 1. In 1985-1990, a highly efficient ultra-high-frequency generator using a powerful relativistic electron beam was developed in Moscow... During these 20-25 years, they probably made something.

      antiproton gun...
      Quote: Asan Ata
      This is how they shied away. And from earth or space, who knows.

      from a parallel universe...
      1. 0
        4 October 2013 10: 18
        Quote: military
        from a parallel universe...

        If you read the forum article, then a child's squeak on the lawn, to her.
        I myself participated with pleasure, especially the statements of venerable members of the forum, but in fact
        On Tuesday morning, the Russian early warning system recorded the launch of two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean Sea.

        Nobody read it?
        И
        A ballistic target can be single and complex. In particular, the Soviet 9K81 S-300V long-range air defense system and the American Patriot PAC-3 air defense system can fight them.

        Nobody knows either?
        Or is it still aimed at demonstrating poverty and wretchedness? Otherwise, the GDP will really have to take the rap for the world order. Do we need this?
  65. +1
    3 October 2013 22: 02
    “What happened, what didn’t happen,” or one grandmother said, but the point is that Obama needed a war (just desperately) to pass the budget. But someone (something) prevented this and the Yankees “went down”, and now they have a “little mess” going on in their country. So let such incidents continue to happen when the “striped ones” try to show their “I”.
  66. Ivan Denikin
    +1
    3 October 2013 22: 17
    I wonder what the Russian Federation used to shoot down these ballistic missiles? Is it really the S-300 complex? If so, then that's cool! I think that the United States has been in deep trouble for a long time, and they can only be saved by the cleansing of their “exceptional nation” and repentance to the people of the Balkans, the Middle East, Afghanistan and other countries to which they, i.e. pin...sy, brought suffering and torment!
  67. 0
    3 October 2013 23: 14
    enchanting
  68. +1
    3 October 2013 23: 28
    this article, or rather a translation of the local Lebanese pioneer truth, was launched by Jews to laugh,
    and here we are breaking spears, because it is clear that all b.r.e.d.ya.t.i.n.a, but no, there was a response in the Russian soul,
    there is also an article about how the Chelyabinsk meteorite is a terrible weapon of the Russians, also an excellent reason to dream up))
  69. +3
    4 October 2013 04: 30
    Thank you for posting, I haven’t read something like this for a long time, how many hookahs with hashish did you have to smoke to get this bad?
  70. 0
    4 October 2013 09: 52
    Medium-range missiles and they have been withdrawn from the arsenal of the USA and from Spain to Syria 1000 km
  71. Gur
    0
    4 October 2013 10: 16
    I like this article, but in 1962 such a situation would have been plausible, but now it’s unlikely, but still interesting
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  73. kelevra
    0
    18 December 2013 18: 49
    The Yankees wiped their noses!