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The truth about the military confrontation of the United States and Russia

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The truth about the military confrontation of the United States and RussiaA well-informed diplomatic source told As-Safir newspaper that “The US war against Syria began and ended at the moment when two ballistic missiles were launched, leaving behind conflicting information - when Israel denied launch, and Russia confirmed it. The confrontation continued until an Israeli statement was issued indicating that the missile launches were carried out as part of a joint Israeli-American exercise, and that the rockets then fell into the sea, and the launches themselves were not associated with the Syrian crisis. ”


The source also told the Lebanese diary that “the US Army launched two of these missiles from a NATO base in Spain, they were instantly spotted by Russian radars and collided with Russia's defense systems - so one of them exploded further in the air, and the second course was rejected in the direction seas".

In this context, the source notes that “the statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense that two launches of ballistic missiles towards the Middle East were detected have the purpose to obscure two points: the first - the place from which the missiles were launched, and the second is that the missiles were shot down. Why? Because at that moment, when a full-scale operation was launched, the head of Russia's intelligence service contacted American intelligence and said that “a strike on Damascus means a strike on Moscow, and we removed the term“ shot down two missiles ”from the statement in order to maintain bilateral relations and avoid escalation. Therefore, you should immediately review your policy, approach and intentions regarding the Syrian crisis, and also make sure that you will not be able to eliminate our presence in the Mediterranean Sea. ”

“This undeclared direct confrontation between Moscow and Washington increased the confusion in the Obama administration, and definitely showed that in the case of Syria, the Russian side is ready to go to the end. And also the fact that the United States had no other way out of the impasse, except through the initiative proposed by Russia, which allowed America to save face, ”he added.

Here, a diplomatic source explained that “in order to prevent America from even more embarrassment, Washington demanded that Tel Aviv take on this launch so that the United States could save face before the world public — especially considering that these missiles were the beginning of the US aggression against Syria and the announcement about the beginning of a military operation. After that, the US president was supposed to go to Russia for the G-20 summit, and negotiate the fate of Syrian President Bashar Assad. And only in this way he was able to find a way out of the impasse in which he found himself. ”

The source also noted that “after the missile confrontation between the US and Russia, Moscow intends to increase the number of military experts in the grouping present in the Mediterranean. Also, this incident allowed the appointment of the announcement of the initiative to stop the aggression against Syria after the G-20 summit, which was preceded by two successful visits to Russia by Iranian Foreign Minister Hussein Amir Abdullah Al-Lagiyan and Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Al-Muallem. During these visits, a solution was found and agreed upon, which included Syria’s announcement of the adoption of a Russian initiative regarding the transfer of Syrian chemical weapons under international control and preparation of Syria’s accession to the treaty on the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Finally, the source noted that “one of the first results of the military confrontation between the United States and Russia was the refusal of the British House of Commons to join the military campaign against Syria. This was followed by European statements on a principled position - and most importantly, on the German position announced by Chancellor Angela Merkel. ”
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  1. Xroft
    Xroft 3 October 2013 10: 43 New
    69
    I copied this article 3 weeks ago, but the admins apparently considered it not interesting ........ how things change when Russia wins political victories :)
    1. Big
      Big lexey 3 October 2013 10: 54 New
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      You can “copy-paste” ad infinitum, but there is not much truth in this article. The Lebanese media for domestic consumption printed a fiction, and it was reprinted by everyone who is too lazy to think ... Or I want to believe it ...
      I really want to believe in the revival of our military power, I want to believe that our elites realized that they can exist safely only in prosperous Russia.
      PS The victory of Russian diplomacy in preventing US aggression against Syria is undeniable, and this is a great merit of both the Foreign Ministry and the President of Russia.
      1. Xroft
        Xroft 3 October 2013 11: 06 New
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        Why so sure that there is no truth in it? Are you accustomed to being spoken by * democratic * sources?
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 3 October 2013 12: 06 New
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          You might as well ask, "Are you used to inventing victories for yourself?" Commentary from an “unnamed source” is a rather dubious argument, especially in the absence of other, more verifiable sources, at least hinting at a similar course of events.
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 3 October 2013 13: 01 New
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            Quote: Basileus
            Commentary from an “unnamed source” is a rather dubious argument, especially in the absence of other, more verifiable sources, at least hinting at a similar course of events.


            It fits very well into the circuit. After all, it was clear that the Americans would start bombing, there was no doubt ... then silence, then somehow the news of the launch of ballistic missiles slipped against the background, then Syria sharply agreed to give up XO and join the OPCW, and Washington also said sharply that it wouldn’t bomb will be. So that an unnamed source may well compose any fables - the picture does not change.
            1. doma9371
              doma9371 13 October 2013 23: 34 New
              0
              The reasons for the failure to bomb, it seems to me, are several
              - economic turmoil in the country;
              - fear for the image of any, even small, failure in aggression;
              - Successful, consistent Russian diplomacy. So I remembered "Mr." No, "as A. Gromyko was called in the West;
              - and quite exotic: Putin’s rating in Russia is falling, he (and the West!) needs support from Western “friends” and help in raising the rating within Russia. So they gave a little fist to wave. In one world, mazan, co-rrrr-atniki!
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 14 October 2013 16: 33 New
                0
                Quote: doma9371
                and quite exotic

                Well, what is this exotic, regularly such announcers sound.
                Exotic, if Hussein Obama would have defaulted on the Yusovtsy’s GDP for his friend.
                And so, the Hypothesis has the right to exist like any other, up to the assumption that Obama Antichrist, not without reason took the oath in gloves!

          2. edge
            edge 4 October 2013 06: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Basileus
            Commentary from an “unnamed source” is a rather dubious argument, especially in the absence of other, more verifiable sources, at least hinting at a similar course of events

            who will reveal diplomatic secrets to you. it is not time yet .....
        2. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 3 October 2013 12: 39 New
          13
          game, of course, but nice, and most importantly there is no bombing of Syria, there is no extra blood, and let the diplomatic victory be supported there, it doesn’t matter to the “green men” or “Martians”.
        3. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 3 October 2013 16: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Xroft
          Why so sure that there is no truth in it? Are you accustomed to being spoken by * democratic * sources?

          Answer yourself two questions. How and where they shot at ballistic targets. And with what they suggested. If you answer, it means the truth, but then please us with information.
          1. Evgeniy-111
            Evgeniy-111 3 October 2013 16: 54 New
            +2
            Do you have American ballistic missiles in Spain?
            1. rotfuks
              rotfuks 4 October 2013 01: 19 New
              +1
              it’s enough to approach the coast of Spain with a missile carrier
          2. rotfuks
            rotfuks 4 October 2013 01: 16 New
            -3
            ballistic missiles were shot at Damascus for the first time. Usually explosions gave out as blows of vehicles stuffed with explosives and suicide bombers. And what did they suggest was not a question at all. Remember the "high-precision" American missile flying into the window of the Chinese embassy in BELGRADE. So the missiles flew by a laser or GPS pointer.
        4. brelok
          brelok 4 October 2013 08: 05 New
          0
          Is quite real! the Americans will not come near Syria has something to answer. An aircraft carrier can be easily lost. Launching a ballistic missile is something that was convenient. Only Russia can stop such an attack. It seems to have been done! Too easy to surrender! wink
          1. Dangerous
            Dangerous 4 October 2013 10: 30 New
            -1
            It has already been discussed a thousand times that Syria will in no way be able to harm the American fleet in any way or repulse a massive missile strike.
            PS: from where only in a never-ending stream such "Urikalki" appear here?
            1. Dangerous
              Dangerous 4 October 2013 11: 02 New
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              I appeal to you, who put the minus, the Internet troll! - go down from heaven to earth and turn on your brain, swim, take an interest or read the local forum. You are my idiot)
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 4 October 2013 12: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: Dangerous
                I appeal to you, who put the minus, the Internet troll!

                And in response SILENCE!
                So
                Quote: Dangerous
                Syria will in no way be able to do any harm to the American fleet

                In the scope of defeat of the Bastions will fall a little does not seem.
                Quote: Dangerous
                nor repel a massive missile strike

                A massive missile strike and the Yusovites themselves would not be able to repel it; otherwise, it would have spun a long time ago.
                What’s the conversation about? About that and so
                Quote: Dangerous
                A thousand times have already been discussed here

                Quote: Dangerous
                PS: from where only in a never-ending stream such "Urikalki" appear here?

                Do you understand the difference between URA and URA? I myself treat the patriots with humor _ Well, if such a person?
                1. Dangerous
                  Dangerous 4 October 2013 13: 57 New
                  0
                  Yes, in that message, people wrote that "Syria has something to answer. Aircraft carrier is easy to lose." I marvel at such people. And, by the way, export-grade bastions hit just 250-300 km, so that aviation and tomahawks can easily enter the affected area
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 4 October 2013 17: 00 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Dangerous
                    Yes, in that message, people wrote

                    I read, there the full phrase sounds like this
                    Quote: brelok
                    Americans will not come close Syria has something to answer.

                    True, this is not quite what if
                    Quote: brelok
                    Syria has something to answer

                    So ?
                    Quote: Dangerous
                    bastions in export execution hit only 250-300 km,

                    Yahont is the export performance of Onyx. And the complex there and there is the Bastion.
                    To move the launch site of the Kyrgyz Republic 300 km from its border is worth a lot.
                    Simplified is 20 minutes of flight time, and during this time there is much that can be done.
                    Quote: Dangerous
                    bastions in export version hit only 250-300 km, so that aviation and tomahawks can easily enter the affected area

                    Hmm, you re-read it yourself.
                    No comments !
      2. goldfinger
        goldfinger 3 October 2013 15: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: BigLexey
        The Lebanese media for domestic consumption printed fiction, and it was reprinted by everyone who is too lazy to think ... Or I want to believe in it ...

        This newspaper is a “yellow” Lebanese leaflet that publishes, as you correctly said, “fables”, one after another. "Well-informed diplomatic source" - OBS. (One woman ... etc.). Why are these provocative stuffing? "Fanned out" proponents of a "war to the bitter end?" In the distance, pin.do.sam! One "Moscow" will tear the entire pin. Doss fleet! Only D. Urak can think of such a scenario. “IN” everything “turns yellow”, maybe by the fall?
        Unclear
      3. Rink
        Rink 4 October 2013 10: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: BigLexey
        You can “copy-paste” ad infinitum, but there is not much truth in this article. ...

        Well, at least in the official version of the truth no more. Like it or not, the story is dark.

        Remember, the time of these sort of "test" launches (if they were test) was chosen the most unsuccessful of the possible. As well as location and direction. After all, if you didn’t want to arrange a provocation that could ignite a world war and could not be postponed in time, then you could either choose another place (not in the Mediterranean Sea), or at least a different direction, NOT towards Syria.

        The second - in tests they don’t shoot with two rockets, usually. The same Yankees, testing their missile defense, launch one rocket each. Telemetry is written from it, analyzed. Changes are made to the second missile, after which there is a second launch and so on ....

        Third: international testimonials about test launches are set in advance, and even more so in such a densely populated region and at such a busy time. How Israel did not know what to warn.

        It is also strange that both missiles in the "tests" crashed, and all subsequent statements by all parties. For some reason, the states make round eyes and say that they do not have any dreams or dreams about any launches. Although this is not true, even if they weren’t shooting, they could not have known, stopudovo.
        Syria confirms that nothing fell on its territory - so that no one doubts that both missiles did not fly.
        And Israel at first is silent, like I didn’t hear that a schukher was due to “his” launches, and then she wakes up and says that “yes, I shot it! And what?”

        No ...
        You know, this "Lebanese" version of events is more believable than the official one. You want to argue, you want not, but I believe in the official even less.
    2. Civil
      Civil 3 October 2013 12: 20 New
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      Regardless of whether this is true or not, the success of Putin’s political move is undeniable. A free peer of the country's defense potential is a side-by-side but no less pleasant addition.
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 3 October 2013 14: 00 New
        +5
        Judging by the article, the missiles were shot down, I wonder what? Or our ships worked well, or maybe ours used unconventional types of defensive systems. One can only guess.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 3 October 2013 14: 13 New
          -6
          and maybe ours used unconventional types of defensive systems

          Excuse me, which ones? Antiaircraft homing earflaps?
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 3 October 2013 15: 14 New
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            Antiaircraft homing earflaps?
            Well, why so? It is possible to use a narrowly directed electromagnetic pulse that is not completely friendly to any electronics. Back in the USSR, they “processed” a station-flying electromagnetic station in weak mode with a directional electromagnetic generator (maybe the Shuttle, I don’t remember exactly) with astronauts. Later, astronauts admitted that at some point they were very uncomfortable when flying over the territory of the USSR for unexplained reasons.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 3 October 2013 15: 38 New
              +2
              It is possible to use a narrowly directed electromagnetic pulse that is not completely friendly to any electronics.

              As for the narrow focus ... the maximum that has been achieved is the microwave transmitter on the Hammer. At a distance of 100 meters, a person feels burns. And here ... not only dozens of kilometers, but also the EM protection of the rocket needs to be pierced.
              Hard to believe, very weak.

              Back in the USSR, they “processed” a station-flying electromagnetic station in weak mode with a directional electromagnetic generator (maybe the Shuttle, I don’t remember exactly) with astronauts.

              I read something. But do you imagine the size of that generator? He is the size of a BDK himself! It was.

              As for the usual means of electronic warfare, I’m not sure - I don’t know this topic well. Yes, and it is mostly classified.
              1. Spstas1
                Spstas1 4 October 2013 10: 50 New
                +1
                Here are just a few BDKs in the Eastern Mediterranean and are present ...
            2. atomic
              atomic 3 October 2013 15: 58 New
              +6
              The application was at the Saryshagan training ground, Lake Balkhash and it was a shuttle.
              1. Dima67
                Dima67 3 October 2013 16: 16 New
                0
                Where is the droushka?
            3. Asan Ata
              Asan Ata 3 October 2013 21: 18 New
              +1
              We developed this thing back in 1985. She definitely should be.
          2. dmitrich
            dmitrich 3 October 2013 15: 46 New
            -9
            the fact is that you are a crap boy.
          3. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 4 October 2013 00: 40 New
            +5
            Quote: Wedmak
            and maybe ours used unconventional types of defensive systems

            Excuse me, which ones? Antiaircraft homing earflaps?

            Well said the same-non-traditional))) Our missiles come from behind)))
          4. edge
            edge 4 October 2013 06: 37 New
            -2
            Quote: Wedmak
            Excuse me, which ones? Antiaircraft homing earflaps?

            there is such a thing as electronic warfare: if you are ignorant, please be kind, eliminate your ignorance .........
            1. Col.
              Col. 4 October 2013 09: 09 New
              +6
              Quote: hert
              there is such a thing as electronic warfare: if you are ignorant, please be kind, eliminate your ignorance .........

              If you are so literate, please explain to me, the aviation colonel, how can electronic ballistic missiles be affected by electronic warfare equipment, which in flight is, roughly speaking, just a cobblestone fired from a sling?
        2. Col.
          Col. 3 October 2013 14: 18 New
          -4
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Or our ships worked well, or maybe ours used unconventional types of defensive systems.


          In the arsenal of our ships there are no complexes that allow to shoot down ballistic targets. And as for the "non-traditional species", we can easily do this: everyone shot from slingshots as a child ... laughing
          1. Bashkaus
            Bashkaus 3 October 2013 15: 08 New
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            And as for the "non-traditional species", we can easily do this: everyone shot from slingshots in childhood. You can laugh as much as you like, but in 1242 the Russian squads under the command of Alexander Nevsky won a landslide victory on Lake Onega. Against the classic indestructible “blue” tactics used by German scammers dressed in heavy armor, the Russian warriors opposed ordinary bogra without hesitation, well, there’s something to get out of the water if necessary, which they simply grabbed the Teftons and knocked off their horses, carefully weighed down the fallen and clumsy sprawls classic lyuley. Apparently, the Germans were not at all ready for such a turn of events, so the mach-revenge took place only a few hundred years later, in which FRIENDSHIP won, and the guests were carefully taken home.
            So they could pick up a non-standard antidote against American poison ...
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 3 October 2013 17: 03 New
              +6
              Quote: Bashkaus
              Against the classic indestructible tactics of "svinoy"

              Well about indestructible is it you got excited
              Alexander undoubtedly studied this simple tactical device and took measures.
              Perhaps even read about the exploits of Hannibal at Cannes
              1. Free Island
                Free Island 4 October 2013 02: 51 New
                +2
                in the then Internet, as I understand it, "read" * ????
                1. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 4 October 2013 18: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Free Island
                  in the then Internet, as I understand it, "read" * ????

                  Books were invented long before the Internet.
                  But Plutarch can still be read
            2. chehywed
              chehywed 3 October 2013 18: 46 New
              +3
              Quote: Bashkaus
              You can laugh as much as you like, but in 1242 the Russian squads under the command of Alexander Nevsky won a landslide victory Lake Onega

              Not to laugh ... This deprived of the attention of historians victory happened before the Battle of the Ice, something took place on Lake Peipsi, or after?
            3. cdrt
              cdrt 3 October 2013 23: 26 New
              +3
              And as for the "non-traditional species", we can easily do this: everyone shot from slingshots in childhood. You can laugh as much as you like, but in 1242 the Russian squads under the command of Alexander Nevsky won a landslide victory on Lake Onega. Against the classic indestructible “blue” tactics used by German scammers dressed in heavy armor, the Russian warriors opposed ordinary bogra without hesitation, well, there’s something to get out of the water if necessary, which they simply grabbed the Teftons and knocked off their horses, carefully weighed down the fallen and clumsy sprawls classic lyuley. Apparently, the Germans were not at all ready for such a turn of events, so the mach-revenge took place only a few hundred years later, in which FRIENDSHIP won, and the guests were carefully taken home.
              So they could pick up a non-standard antidote against American poison ...


              This, my dear, is called heard ringing, but I do not know where he is ...
              There is such a word, the name of the city - Cannes is called.
              Read Svechin or something - History of martial art.
              There bukaf kanechna much, but everything is the case.
              And about the pig, and about the construction of the princely army, and about the relationship of the landscape and the construction of the army of Alexander. And in general, about the positive influence of knowledge of Greek and Roman literature by Russian princes laughing
            4. atomic
              atomic 5 October 2013 09: 59 New
              0
              In the Kremlin’s armory are the armor of these "giants", a height of twenty meters. I will correct you, Lake Peipsi.
          2. rJIiOK
            rJIiOK 3 October 2013 15: 21 New
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            "An unnamed 03.10.13 source authoritatively stated that there are no complexes in the arsenal of the Russian fleet that can bring down ballistic targets."

            :) In our army, there can be absolutely everything.
            1. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 3 October 2013 17: 14 New
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              Quote: rJIiOK
              Everything can be in our army.


              Therefore, in spite of all kinds of manipulations of reformers in Russia - THE ARMY IS, AND HOPE WILL FOR ANOTHER LONG EXIST FOR JOY TO OUR CITIZENS AND FRIENDS and to not quite comfortable condition of our "CONCURRENT" partners.
    3. sheh85
      sheh85 3 October 2013 14: 07 New
      +3
      After reading the article, the question immediately arises of by what means the American ballistic missiles flying from Spain to Syria were destroyed. Who can explain
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 October 2013 14: 15 New
        -2
        Not otherwise drunk boatswain from one of our tugs from the grandfather’s double-barrel shotgun ....
        With all due respect to our fleet, there was nothing to bring down these missiles at that time.
      2. Col.
        Col. 3 October 2013 14: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: sheh85
        the question immediately arises as to what means were used to destroy the American ballistic missiles flying from Spain to Syria. Who can explain

        Read at least my comments, I seem to have written in a more or less accessible language.
        1. matross
          matross 3 October 2013 15: 03 New
          15
          Quote: Colonel
          Read at least my comments, I seem to have written in a more or less accessible language.

          The language is accessible and understandable - there are no funds on ships. However, the missiles did not reach the goal. Most likely due to counteraction, as to assume the simultaneous technical malfunction of two missiles at once is too much an assumption. Only ours could counteract the launches of American missiles (in this context of events). For Americans, judging by their reaction, such an effective opposition was unexpected. Conclusion: the missiles were neutralized by the latest Russian means of combat (most likely electronic warfare). Reminds unscientific fiction? Me too. But other versions without the participation of Martians are not visible.
          1. Col.
            Col. 3 October 2013 15: 28 New
            +4
            Quote: matRoss
            However, the missiles did not reach the goal. Most likely due to counteraction, t


            I'm generally skeptical of this whole rocket story. Since I quit 4 a year ago, unfortunately, I do not have information on this episode. And who has it? Who saw the transcript of the records of objective control? Everything is only in words! I have already said, I repeat once again: SSBNs in the Mediterranean Sea do not patrol, there are no BRRS in Spain. Where do ballistic goals come from? Purely theoretically (in isolation from this case): BRs have self-liquidators that operate according to the program or on command. In general, I don’t like the whole story ... I recall the words of the hero of the actor Gennady Yukhtin from "The Elusive ..." - nonsense!
            1. matross
              matross 3 October 2013 15: 41 New
              +6
              Quote: Colonel
              nonsense!

              I do not agree. The history of missiles is confirmed by the Russian, American and Israeli sides. It went through all the media.
              1. Col.
                Col. 3 October 2013 16: 10 New
                +2
                Quote: matRoss
                It went through all the media.


                In such stories, the media picks up what specially trained people are telling them. After all, not a single journalist will be shown a transcript of RNC records. For example: when I was still serving, we used all means to track the progress of the database in Iraq. So, at all official daily media briefings, Pentagon representatives issued metered and filtered information about the course of the operation with a delay of exactly one day! Those. all "fried", from the point of view of journalists and readers (viewers), the facts were already history. And in a day, a lot of things can be done from the point of view of the strategy and tactics of conducting an information war, and above all, to form the necessary public opinion.
                1. matross
                  matross 3 October 2013 17: 00 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Colonel
                  The media picks up what specially trained people are telling them.

                  And I agree with that. But then it is not clear which gesheft, as our "Israeli compatriots" say, the United States received from this misinformation. Why not refuted? Something doesn’t fit together ...
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 10: 45 New
    95
    I don’t know whether our missiles were shot down or not, turned to the side or simply scared. The only thing that is clear is what happened. That made the United States abandon the warriors when everyone in the world was sure that it would be. The only question was when. What did Putin shuganul We won’t recognize Obama for a very long time, but the main thing is that there are no warriors.
    1. alexng
      alexng 3 October 2013 11: 01 New
      +3
      Everything is simple. The inflatable elephant horror story and the bostler were completely blown away.
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 3 October 2013 11: 40 New
        14
        Obama’s streak went blacker than himself, both domestically and in the world.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 3 October 2013 13: 04 New
          +7
          Quote: sergey32
          Obama’s streak went blacker than himself, both domestically and in the world.


          From the point of view of the anatomy of a zebra this is no longer a strip, but the place where the back changes its proud name to a word from the letters opzh. Husseinich sits in Peugeot and doesn’t want to be baptized, toli beating his head on the floor.
        2. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 3 October 2013 15: 10 New
          +3
          Obama’s streak went blacker than himself, both domestically and in the world. Everything in this world is relative, the strip may be blacker than the plank, but the Americans realized that there could be such .... that even Obama against this background is far from the worst option))
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    3. klimpopov
      klimpopov 3 October 2013 11: 19 New
      +7
      Hi Sasha! Once again I was sure that I had to go all the way with these, and if there aren’t any trump cards then I’ll "drive a fool" and she’s rolling!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 13: 52 New
        12
        Quote: klimpopov
        and if there aren’t much trump cards then "drive a fool" and after all rolls!

        Hi Klim! You speak fool wink If this fool also has separable warheads, then you can drive on their own laughing
    4. Very old
      Very old 3 October 2013 11: 27 New
      21
      I was 100% sure that war could not be avoided. Well, a wolf cannot eat a lamb. Fortunately, for now it has worked out. How long? The United States continues to draw more and more forces into the Blast Vostok zone - the transfer of fighters, etc. - all this over the past week. The alarm still remains ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 3 October 2013 11: 42 New
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        Quote: Old very
        I was 100% sure that war cannot be avoided.

        Now you need to wait from the pendos for a trick in another place. I doubt that they just wash themselves.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 3 October 2013 13: 12 New
          10
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Now you need to wait from the pendos for a trick in another place. I doubt that they just wash themselves.

          Strongly true.
          "Dvizhuha" continues, just turned off the media.
        2. VEKT
          VEKT 3 October 2013 14: 04 New
          +2
          Well, "transparent" hints are being made, a mine has arrived at the Embassy of Damascus in China, an attack on the embassy in Libya.
        3. alone
          alone 3 October 2013 20: 57 New
          +1
          I suppose that even if there is no invasion, all the same, the Americans and their accomplices will do everything to change the power in Syria.

          P.S. the degree of probability of an invasion is still quite high. You should not calm down about this. In order to bungle another plausible provocation, now all the enemies of the Assad at the head of the CIA are working hard.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 3 October 2013 13: 34 New
        +5
        it seems that on the contrary, part of the destroyers was driven away for the Atlantic.
        while they themselves have problems with the budget, while they are trying to delve into their own shit there, I think it’s not worth the wait. In addition, they decently discredited themselves in the face of the world community. Although this “community” is also driving itself into an impasse more and more every day, scoring international law and licking the fifth point on its sovereign.
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 3 October 2013 15: 20 New
          +3
          budget problems
          But interestingly, the military, too, will not pay money as well as employees? So it’s not far from the riot!
    5. mirag2
      mirag2 3 October 2013 11: 55 New
      +5
      This is so. The article, of course, may be a Lebanese duck, but in reality everything happens very confusing, and the fact that there is only an inverted small fraction of truth on the surface.
      For example, our hasty piracy law is primarily needed by the United States, because Hollywood brings 7-8% of revenue, these are crazy numbers.
      1. GDP
        GDP 3 October 2013 12: 43 New
        17
        Pirates need to put a monument on Red Square. Without them, we would be in the Stone Age in the field of information technology. China has not passed the law on pirated software copying and did it right, because it protects only its interests. Therefore, the cost of software there is an order of magnitude lower than in Russia, but we feed movies to America is a trifle, but tough laws obliging everyone to buy licensed software, even the smallest organization, this is fantastic money! These are billions of dollars that sail abroad every year in payment actually for air. Well, the same Windows doesn’t cost such money 10000p apiece (we multiply this amount by half a billion), an analogue of the same Linux program was generally developed by a group of enthusiasts.
        America generally knows how to make money from the air, one dollar is worth :)
        1. HollyGremlin
          HollyGremlin 3 October 2013 13: 51 New
          +9
          A huge plus. Pirates have helped raise China (and are now helping). England used pirates at sea many times. For example: a young developer - wants to do 3D, if you calculate the price of different packages and add-ons, your head is spinning. Not that a loner, a large company will not pull. But this is half the trouble: you can copy-paste not only software, but also machines, machines. It's a shame that for this you just need to adopt a couple of laws, and we do it exactly the opposite.
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 4 October 2013 10: 42 New
            0
            could ------- put a hundred pluses
            Quote: HollyGremlin
            wants to do 3D,

            here I "felt" the whole "buzz" .......
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 3 October 2013 15: 24 New
          +5
          I’ll show you to the Americans: you pay for the issue of AK (Herods do not pay the same) and other Soviet (Russian stuff), and we (Russia) - for licensed programs. All for garlic! yes
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 4 October 2013 10: 44 New
            0
            they are a hunchbacked Misha (if I remember correctly) the whole factory gave Schaub Kalash stamp ............
        3. DJEIN8
          DJEIN8 3 October 2013 15: 37 New
          +4
          GDP 12:43 They say that we have ..... ONE OF THE BEST PROGRAMMERS .....
          For a long time, we could have made our "Windows" COMPATIBLE with that ....... WHAT prevents ...?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 3 October 2013 16: 44 New
            +3
            For a long time, we could have made our "Windows" COMPATIBLE with that ....... WHAT prevents ...?

            Sales market.
            1. HollyGremlin
              HollyGremlin 4 October 2013 00: 00 New
              +2
              1. Games are written under Windows, programs under Windows, so they have a monopoly. No one will write software under an unknown OS, no one will put an OS without software - a vicious circle.
              2. Collusion with iron producers. We do not do iron.
              3. Compatibility policy: if you have a large company and you work with third-party partners abroad, no one will standardize their software for your self-written ones.
              4. Patents: an insidious move when a license is issued for the smallest parts of the program (example: "unlocking the phone with a swipe of the finger")
              5. Lack of order (we do not have firms that invest in theoretical development, even Gazprom orders products from third-party, and even different, developers).
              This is already enough, but there are still 15 points.
        4. Ramadan
          Ramadan 3 October 2013 22: 30 New
          +1
          China itself can not come up with anything and therefore they will never adopt such a law!
          Do not compare us with the Chinese! And Russia has always been rich in talents. Then you yourself will whine that they again copied something from us!
        5. nerd.su
          nerd.su 4 October 2013 01: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: GDP
          but tough laws requiring everyone to buy licensed software, even the smallest organization, are fantastic money!

          Yes, through the Ipatiev method small organizations saw these tough laws. Who will go check them? What to take from them? No fame, no money. So they use pirated software ...
    6. Col.
      Col. 3 October 2013 12: 01 New
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I don’t know whether our missiles were shot down or not, turned to the side or simply scared

      Firstly, as far as I know, there are no American ballistic missiles in Spain, and their SSBNs have not patrolled in the Mediterranean for a long time (their former base in Rota is closed).
      Secondly, it is impossible to “divert the course” of a ballistic target, unless by falling into it with something.
      Thirdly, to shoot down these missiles (was there a boy at all?) Is extremely difficult even with stationary missile defense systems, and the existing armament of our ships does not allow this.

      Conclusion (IMHO): the "source" mentioned in the article was invented by journalists (by a paid order of some interested "office") or its information is a crude misinformation designed for the average man.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 3 October 2013 13: 16 New
        +7
        Quote: Colonel
        Firstly, as far as I know, there are no American ballistic missiles in Spain,


        There are probably Spanish ones. Further on the text on the boats are missiles with nuclear warheads, the tasks there are slightly different - not to drive gopniks in the desert, but to remove countries from the world map. They could shoot even with perching with a regular warhead; from this, perching will not cease to be a ballistic missile.

        Quote: Colonel
        Secondly, it is impossible to “divert the course” of a ballistic target, unless by falling into it with something.


        Where does the data come from that is impossible to get? And why then are the interceptors building ballistic goals? For reference - they shoot and hit with something (heavy).

        Quote: Colonel
        Thirdly, to shoot down these missiles (was there a boy at all?) Is extremely difficult even with stationary missile defense systems, and the existing armament of our ships does not allow this.


        And how does a hospital differ from a mobile ?? The ammunition itself is the same. So what is the S-300F from the S-300PMU2, other than the obvious?

        Quote: Colonel
        Conclusion (IMHO): the "source" mentioned in the article was invented by journalists (by a paid order of some interested "office") or its information is a crude misinformation designed for the average man.


        Brother, thirty need to work out efficiently.
        1. Col.
          Col. 3 October 2013 13: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Geisenberg
          There are probably Spanish ones.

          What?

          Quote: Geisenberg
          missiles with nuclear warheads are on boats,

          If we are talking about ALCM ("Tomahawk"), then they are not ballistic, but winged.

          Quote: Geisenberg
          They could shoot even with perching with a regular warhead; from this, perching will not cease to be a ballistic missile.

          Pershing - BR, but they were removed from the 24 database years ago! Wake up!

          Quote: Geisenberg
          And why then are the interceptors building ballistic goals?

          They build a house in the village, and deploy missile defense systems. But we do not have them in the Mediterranean Sea.

          Quote: Geisenberg
          And how does a hospital differ from a mobile ??

          Efficiency.

          Quote: Geisenberg
          Brother, thirty need to work out efficiently.

          I don’t have such "brothers" and I don’t accept toilet humor with an inadequate subtitle.
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            1. Col.
              Col. 3 October 2013 14: 44 New
              +5
              Quote: Geisenberg
              That's just such "brothers" have you ... you accept it or not.

              Can you just think with your head?


              1. If we are on "you", then first learn the Russian language.
              2. If you are talking about Pershing who were removed from combat duty in 1989 as a version, then what can I argue with you?
              3. If you consider it a norm to be rude to a professional with a higher military education, then the dialogue is over.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 13: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Colonel
        Conclusion (IMHO): the "source" mentioned in the article was invented by journalists (by a paid order of some interested "office") or its information is a crude misinformation designed for the average man.

        Desa-desoi, the question is that the US has retreated. The question is why? this is the essence of what I wrote.
        1. Col.
          Col. 3 October 2013 14: 07 New
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Desa-desoi, the question is that the US has retreated. The question is why? this is the essence of what I wrote.


          The fact that the Americans have temporarily retreated is good, no doubt. Why is another question, but it seems to me that it is beneficial for our side to catch this duck (or launch it ourselves?) In order to strategically bluff! And what? Do not allow such a version?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 14: 17 New
            +5
            Quote: Colonel
            . Why is another question, but it seems to me that it is beneficial for our side to catch this duck (or launch it ourselves?) In order to strategically bluff!

            And what is the point, the USA knows what, how and why it was with missiles. Such a disinformation can only affect the brains of those in the United States who said that Russian air defense shot down a meteorite
            1. Col.
              Col. 3 October 2013 14: 32 New
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And what is the point, the USA knows what, how and why it was with missiles.


              To paraphrase the famous phrase by A.A. Gromyko when he was his Minister for Foreign Affairs of the USSR, I’ll say: what do we know about what the United States knows about what happened to missiles? Most of us trustingly believe everything that we read, but in vain! The information war is a long-standing invention, and for a long time there have been talented generals in this war working out the order of the owners. We, mere mortals, are not given the opportunity to penetrate the ideas of secret strategists, and only certain specialists in this or that sphere can sometimes reveal individual mistakes or mistakes in thrown publications ...
          2. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 3 October 2013 15: 29 New
            +3
            The result is important, and not what it is achieved in this case.
      3. yur
        yur 3 October 2013 20: 42 New
        +1
        So what? Why is this bad for us? Yes, if this "source" didn’t really exist, then it had to be invented. You know perfectly well that the war is in full swing, the information war. And in the war, all means are good: and missile defense , and the Lebanese media and the "kraynyak" crowbar heavier.
    7. Gari
      Gari 3 October 2013 12: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I don’t know whether our missiles were shot down or not, turned to the side or simply scared

      proposed by the influential Lebanese newspaper Al Safir, citing diplomatic sources, according to which the Americans managed to launch two missiles in Syria from their base in Spain, and the missiles were shot down by Russian anti-aircraft gunners based on Russian warships.
      According to the newspaper, the Russian special services offered the Americans a deal - we will shut up this fact, and you will stop the operation. The Americans agreed, forced Israel to say that the fallen missiles were Israeli probes, and halted the operation.
      1. Gari
        Gari 3 October 2013 12: 08 New
        25
        The Russian side is firmly on Putin’s condition - disarmament only if the Americans abandon plans for aggression.
        Meanwhile, the leaders of the SCO countries met in Bishkek and supported the Russian initiative. Behind them - billions of people, including China, Russia, Iran - therefore it is ridiculous when American leaders say that "Russia is isolated." They are isolated - not only from other humanity, but also from their own people. Indeed, most Americans support Putin’s ideas about the priority of international law and the rejection of aggressive wars.

        http://www.kp.ru/daily/26133.7/3024014/
      2. nerd.su
        nerd.su 3 October 2013 12: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Gari
        the Americans managed to launch two missiles in Syria from their base in Spain, and the missiles were shot down by Russian anti-aircraft gunners based on Russian warships.
        According to the newspaper, the Russian special services offered the Americans a deal - we will shut up this fact, and you will stop the operation.


        And what is it that the Americans only fired two rockets? Why not 50? They fired two rockets, waited until they were shot down, then waited until the Russian intelligence contacted them ... Is this the USA that starts the war now? Two rockets?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 3 October 2013 13: 05 New
          14
          Is the US starting a war like this today? Two rockets?

          Given that our ships were standing between them and Syria, it is entirely possible. As a test reaction ... The reaction was instant! Therefore, they held horses.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 3 October 2013 14: 13 New
            +4
            Quote: Wedmak
            As a test reaction ... The reaction was instant! Therefore, they held horses.

            You can, of course, admit. Ours could have justified themselves, because they didn’t protect Syria, but Russia, they didn’t warn about launches, and the calculation of the trajectory showed that they were flying to Moscow, the personnel of our missile defense were mistaken, and put a comma in the calculations. And the anti-aircraft crew was not mistaken laughing

            But such details as “one rocket was shot down, and the trajectory of the other directed at sea” make one doubt. How did you change the trajectory? This is a fairy tale for Arabs to believe in the power of Russia. It's nice, of course, but we should not believe in it. Until our minister of harrow or the chief of general staff officially confirms ...
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 3 October 2013 15: 30 New
              0
              one rocket was shot down, and the trajectory of the other directed at sea

              It is these details that make one doubt these .. details. To prove this phrase, means of objective control are needed. Radio, visual, telemetric, etc. Which one is there? There are only facts: rockets soared and fell. Everything.
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 3 October 2013 15: 54 New
                -6
                Quote: Wedmak
                There are only facts: rockets soared and fell. All.

                I think this fact has a simple explanation. Just need the appropriate knowledge and experience. I don’t have these, all I know about missiles - the mace does not fly sad
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 3 October 2013 16: 45 New
                  +6
                  all I know about rockets - the mace does not fly

                  It depends on how you plant it.
                  And the "Mace" flies. Single failures in the development of new technology always happen.
                  1. nerd.su
                    nerd.su 3 October 2013 18: 24 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    Single failures in the development of new technology always happen.

                    Single? Percent 40 is not a single failure. But this is tolerable in trials. But even after the adoption of “unit failures” continue, that’s the problem.
                    But here this topic for comments is not a topic, call for a tautology ... I started it simply because I heard it, and not in order to tear down a tired corn.
            2. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 3 October 2013 15: 36 New
              +3
              And why should the defense minister or chief of staff have to confirm it? And to whom?
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 3 October 2013 15: 47 New
                -1
                No way. And figs to whom. But if they confirm it, then yes, the fact is on the face. And so - another duck.
        2. alone
          alone 3 October 2013 21: 08 New
          +1
          al safir is a Hezbollah-controlled newspaper. Do you really want them to write something else? You don’t really have to trust such newspapers. Such newspapers are just misinformed.

          and more. rockets were launched by Israel towards the sea. This was confirmed by both Israel and Russian sources.
          .Why launch a rocket from Spain to Syria if the air distance between the Spanish coast and Damascus is approximately 4000 km. If there were whole groups of destroyers and submarines with tomahawks 500 km from the coast.
    8. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 3 October 2013 12: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Something made the United States abandon the warriors when everyone in the world was confident that it would be. There was only a question when.

      Exactly “something”, but this “something” is clearly not diplomacy. the United States does not give a damn about ours, and indeed anybody’s diplomatic attempts. the usa was specifically scared, that's just what, obviously not an "aspen stake."
    9. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 3 October 2013 13: 02 New
      10
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What Putin suganul Obama we do not know for a very long time


      More precisely, never. We will never know for certain how the Russian Federation scared the United States.
      1. alone
        alone 3 October 2013 21: 12 New
        +1
        Putin threatened Obama to send other liberals to the states of Chubais. Chubais was supposed to advise the Americans on how to boost their economy. Obama stopped military preparations in return for not sending liberals to America wassat
    10. IRBIS
      IRBIS 3 October 2013 13: 05 New
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What Putin shuganul Obama we do not know for a very long time, but most importantly, there are no warriors.

      Hi Sanya! For me, this article is from the category of "ducks." True, it is in our favor, but too fantastic. Okay, discovered. Shot down (rejected) by what? The terrible face of our President? You are right, the fact remains that the States did not start the war, but the reasons for this are far from the content of the article.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 14: 03 New
        +5
        Quote: IRBIS
        For me, this article is from the category of "ducks."

        Great San! More likely not a duck, but an assumption that made Obama give the back one. There will be many more assumptions and versions
        hi
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 3 October 2013 14: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There will be many more assumptions and versions.

          I agree. As always - the truth is somewhere nearby!
    11. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 3 October 2013 13: 55 New
      +6
      And if you think about it. Who trusts a glass jar, who overseas or offshore. Well ... "my roll is where my pennies are." Who will roar to their "homeland". Will leave without an inheritance and with bare backside.
      1. VADIMKRSK
        VADIMKRSK 3 October 2013 16: 03 New
        +5
        Zbigniew is an honest and frank enemy. His statements are a pleasure to read. Simple and clear ...
      2. Ziksura
        Ziksura 3 October 2013 19: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Will leave without an inheritance and with bare backside.

        Believing unconditionally the words of the adversary is something new in military affairs. After “resort to your nuclear potential,” any currency is simply rubbish. And without nuclear weapons, the rule applies: The winner receives ALL (except when he voluntarily refuses). And it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue with this. And for the sake of victory, you need to sacrifice something at the very beginning. Can you imagine a war without enormous financial losses? (“Oh warhead dear, dear! We won’t shoot! We’ll save.” So chtoli?) All the big-time guys are not just tough, but cruel. You can’t take away their "denyuzhka", because they try to take a lot of people from them a lot of money 24 hours a day, and they themselves took it from someone in most cases. Business is cruel, and war is a super profitable business for them. Will you argue? This statement by Brzezinski is an information war shell directed at our brain.
    12. Sotnik77s
      Sotnik77s 3 October 2013 14: 46 New
      +2
      Probably the very weapon based on new physical principles, but we still don’t know what it is, but it’s most likely already been tested, and in real life, so to speak, in practice, now the new must be tested quickly, which was done, these are not the times when there were “dear Leonid Ilyich” and “so it is right, with new thinking” now there is one leader and he gives orders clearly and they most likely were clearly executed, but this is my opinion !!!!
    13. rolik
      rolik 3 October 2013 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I don’t know whether our missiles were shot down or not, turned to the side or simply scared

      So you can agree on the intervention of aliens who arrived from Aldebaran. Moreover, RenTV constantly broadcasts something about reptilians, then about gray dudes with huge eyes))))) Involuntarily, thoughts turn to the thought of the intervention of the star brothers)))) But I would like to believe that these guys did a test, so to speak, in kind some new complex. Moreover, it is said that they launched ballistic missiles. Or maybe it was not ballistic missiles, but cruise ones. The guys were mistaken with the appearance of rockets, with whom it does not happen. If you take the launch from the Bolear Islands, in a straight line over the sea, the distance for Tomahawk is the most. So they could splash ours.
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 3 October 2013 10: 45 New
    +3
    If so ... That would be quite nice. what
    1. Zopuhhh
      Zopuhhh 3 October 2013 11: 00 New
      +2
      That would be very good.
  4. olegff68
    olegff68 3 October 2013 10: 51 New
    19
    Whatever anyone says, this situation is a vivid example of the brilliant work of the Russian leadership in foreign policy, in upholding the interests of the state !!!
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 3 October 2013 12: 01 New
      12
      I will say more: I again began to have a positive attitude towards Putin. Almost like 08.08.08. He believed that we are not abandoning our own. Well, Bashar al-Assad - man, there is someone to harness for.
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 3 October 2013 12: 13 New
        -1
        and on the contrary, I began to feel worse, and I have been like that from the very beginning of his reign, but about Syria the point is not that Assad is there, but that there’s nowhere to retreat further and our base is
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 October 2013 10: 55 New
    12
    As they say, the first battle is the most difficult! This crisis will go down in history as a brilliant victory for Russia and the beginning of the collapse of the hegemony of the Anglo-Saxons in the world.
    1. Canep
      Canep 3 October 2013 11: 45 New
      +4
      That he will go down in history (has already entered), and this is indisputable in textbooks. But the article is full of speculation in my opinion.
      Obama made a mistake by drawing a red line. Victims of a chemical attack, including on his conscience, there would be no red line, then most likely there would be no chemical attack.
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 3 October 2013 12: 09 New
      +9
      This fight is not the first. 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. We then did not grapple with a nutty tie eater. And with the whole Western world. What then did George W. Bush Ml tell Putin in Beijing? "There must be no war." But PUTIN either scored it or “forgot” to transfer Medvedev. If you didn’t enter the war then there would not be this, not yet final, but success.
    3. alone
      alone 3 October 2013 21: 17 New
      +2
      in general, if you think about it, Israel won. Without any pressure, it ensured the destruction of WMD of its most implacable enemy. As they say more in the region, there is nothing that could threaten the security of Israel.
  6. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 3 October 2013 10: 56 New
    +9
    Everything can be. At the moment, a small number of people actually know what happened. Maybe the truth will be revealed to our grandchildren! hi
  7. Russ69
    Russ69 3 October 2013 10: 58 New
    +5
    It was not unknown. And if it was, we will find out in a few years.
    If this incident happened, then officially it still will not be confirmed. To increase tension, with the use of weapons no one needs. It is much easier and safer to make political statements.
    Despite our graters from the USA, no one will cross a certain line when it will be more difficult to brake.
  8. nemec55
    nemec55 3 October 2013 11: 00 New
    +7
    Now another question arises. How will the US come out of the crisis (debt hole)? And whether it was decided to use our Russian potential to help overcome the crisis. It was not for nothing that DAM began to push such speeches.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 3 October 2013 11: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: nemec55
      Now another question arises. How will the US come out of the crisis (debt hole)?

      Generally these are their problems ...
      But, something will be. Now, most likely in their own territory. Like 9 / 11, or something out of the ordinary ...
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 3 October 2013 11: 38 New
        +4
        I’m with both hands FOR. But over the past 100 years, these mushrooms have been looking for someone's hump and have taken it as a pleasure. You see, if the Germans are famous for their cultural technology and so on. Russians are victorious for their steadfastness and so on. Gentlemen, Americans are famous for their lies cynicism for greed and so on. Well, it’s the hardest to fight.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 14: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: nemec55
          But over the past 100 years, these mushrooms have been looking for someone's hump and perl in pleasure

          Everything sooner or later comes to an end!
    2. military
      military 3 October 2013 12: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: nemec55
      Now another question arises. How will the US come out of the crisis (debt hole)? And whether it was decided to use our Russian potential to help overcome the crisis.

      the choice is small ... or war (which, as usual, deducts everything) ... or someone’s economic potential (which will eventually be blown away) ... that's just whose? ... we’ll see soon ...
    3. olviko
      olviko 3 October 2013 13: 02 New
      0
      "Now another question arises. How will the US come out of the crisis (debt hole)?"

      It may be like in the well-known conspiracy theological scheme: "The world elite plans to bring down the dollar, there is a plan for a single global currency, one world economy. The goal is to create a new global economic and energy structure by removing the US dollar as a reserve currency in the world. By subordinating the US to the global structure of power. And with it comes one world power structure to control this new world financial order. Thanks to the policy of the Federal Reserve System and this regime of economic psychopaths, the United States is in a very deep financial difficulty. The collapse of the dollar and wreak havoc in the United States. more bankruptcies in municipalities, like Detroit. New York could go bankrupt after Detroit, said Mayor Michael Bloomberg. He’s already embarked on a financial apocalypse. " The United States will simply be donated, there is no country, no debts. As they say, nothing personal, only business.
      http://imperiya.by/news.html?id=117193
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 14: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: nemec55
      So how will the US come out of the crisis (debt hole)? And whether it was decided to use our Russian potential to help overcome the crisis

      Can you imagine the possibilities of Russia and the debt of the USA? Putin is not a sucker, that would be stupid to buy the world for loot. Medvedev is not at all involved here.
  9. major071
    major071 3 October 2013 11: 01 New
    +6
    This is the source! All laid out on shelves. Hope that plays on our side. wink
  10. SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 3 October 2013 11: 02 New
    +3
    My opinion on the article, as everything is idealized, was that our missiles were shot down, and the head of intelligence contacted the intelligence of America, and victory at the political level and everything turned out very well, just like in a fairy tale. There are doubts about this right away. In my opinion, this is a release of information in the Internet media, so that we are proud of our government and nothing more.
    But there’s nothing to be proud of, the state is not trying for its people, and no social improvement is expected on the horizon, it’s more likely that everything will get worse.
    1. kostyan77708
      kostyan77708 3 October 2013 12: 05 New
      +3
      I set - for if all efforts and resources are directed to the social network, there will be neither one nor the other, the article may not be true, but in light of recent events, the government, or rather the work of the President and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has something to be proud of
      1. Dima67
        Dima67 3 October 2013 12: 55 New
        +3
        He is very proud of nothing, for so many years they decided to hammer a bolt on mattresses and mattress covers. It is his duty to protect the interests of Russia. And if we started to snap back being cornered, then it’s just nowhere else to go. In short, long live the mind, let the insanity disappear.
  11. Ihrek
    Ihrek 3 October 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    If this is true, then we should be proud of our army and its supreme commander.
    1. military
      military 3 October 2013 11: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Jamal
      If this is true, then we should be proud of our army and its supreme commander.

      and who will tell us the truth? ... however, even if we hear a completely different version, we now will not believe the adversaries ... these will be the machinations of imperialism ... anyway, there is only one way out - to be proud, proud and proud .. . our chief commander ...
  12. Neighbor
    Neighbor 3 October 2013 11: 06 New
    0
    And if the USA wanted to scare Assad only? ...
    1. HAM
      HAM 3 October 2013 11: 42 New
      +8
      Yes, they have already “scared” Hussein, Gaddafi, Milosevic.
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor 3 October 2013 12: 41 New
        +2
        Yes, it doesn’t “climate” with another aggression, so the Russian military presence in the Mediterranean does not look like a confrontation to me, but as an excuse to leave the game with a good expression.
  13. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 October 2013 11: 07 New
    +5
    No matter how intermediate events develop, the result determines Russia's position as the most acceptable in the current situation. only rabid hawks from the Pentagon can oppose this.
  14. Scoun
    Scoun 3 October 2013 11: 07 New
    +2
    The head of the Russian intelligence service contacted American intelligence and said that “a strike on Damascus means a strike on Moscow, and we removed the term “shot down two missiles” from the statement in order to maintain bilateral relations and avoid escalation.

    Sounds straight soul warms for a fundamentally firm position.
    from a NATO base in Spain, they were instantly spotted by Russian radars and collided with the defense systems of Russia - so one of them exploded in the air, and the second course was deviated towards the sea».

    It’s embarrassing just from a base from Spain, although it was probably handy from the same base in Italy, well, the dedicated one is happy that we have such systems that disable missiles and knock off course but about the second missile ... it flew over the sea and it turns out that they did not take her to the side of the sea but drowned in the sea before letting them reach Syria.
    In general, it’s muddy ... but then something really happened and it happens, it’s a fact, but will we find out?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 3 October 2013 11: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Scoun
      It’s embarrassing just from a base from Spain, although it was probably handy from the same base in Italy, well, the highlighted one is happy that we have such systems that disable missiles and knock off course but about the second missile

      Arabs are raving, but you believe everything, which is nice?
      How old are you?
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 3 October 2013 12: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: ATATA
        Do you believe everything

        If I wrote that "heats my soul" and embarrassed, I did not put it in quotes, this does not mean that I believe everything
        PS. There is just no faith in my post, but there are doubts, on the other hand there were missile launches and the missile launch situation was muddy, and only then Israel took over and after a while it was announced that together with the USA they had gathered into the “mouth of water” before .
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 3 October 2013 22: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Scoun
          and only then did Israel take over and after a while it was announced that, together with the United States, which had previously been gathered into the "mouth of the water".

          So what?
          Most Arabs know how to write only Allahu Akbar!
          That's why they write and read nonsense, but what are you?
  15. Strashila
    Strashila 3 October 2013 11: 08 New
    10
    The first and main ... launches were recorded. Second, when striking Syria, there are not so many calculated missile trajectories ... and at key points they will have to intersect with the ships of the Russian Navy outside the territorial waters of Syria ... naturally there will be no chance to shoot at them ... and warn Syria about launching a missile strike.
  16. Double major
    Double major 3 October 2013 11: 08 New
    +1
    The news is not new, but pleasant ...
  17. Wedmak
    Wedmak 3 October 2013 11: 11 New
    +8
    Everything is very simple. The question immediately arises: purely theoretically, WHAT could we bring down two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean Sea?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 3 October 2013 11: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      How could we bring down two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean?

      A perfectly legitimate question. hi
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 3 October 2013 11: 44 New
        +6
        forced to self-destruct, this is our hackers tried
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 3 October 2013 12: 06 New
          +3
          Yeah, yeah ... they must have laughed out loud and the rockets from a fright flopped into the water.
          1. alone
            alone 3 October 2013 21: 20 New
            +1
            in truth, the Russian mat has great power)) laughing
    2. military
      military 3 October 2013 11: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      Everything is very simple. The question immediately arises: purely theoretically, WHAT could we bring down two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean Sea?

      it doesn’t matter anymore ... only the serving and the sauce are important ... wink
    3. Gari
      Gari 3 October 2013 12: 02 New
      10
      Quote: Wedmak
      Everything is very simple. The question immediately arises: purely theoretically, WHAT could we bring down two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean Sea?


      Retired Air Force Lt. Col. Rick Francon recently appeared on CNN. This retired officer said that there are two Russian reconnaissance ships in the Mediterranean Sea, stuffed with the latest electronic equipment. According to the lieutenant colonel, Russian intelligence officers calmly record not only missile launches of any type, but even the preparation of the Tomahawks for launch, which is being carried out inside the ship.

      http://www.rg.ru/2013/09/05/tsel.html
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 3 October 2013 12: 19 New
        +3
        if they record the launch and preparation of missiles, then they must also make adjustments for the target, which in this case happened, it is not necessary to shoot them down with missiles
      2. military
        military 3 October 2013 12: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: Gari
        According to the lieutenant colonel, Russian intelligence officers calmly record not only missile launches of any type, but even the preparation of the Tomahawks for launch, which is being carried out inside the ship.

        and then what? ... form a powerful focused telepathic rapport to undermine a warhead? ...
        what is the hidden meaning of such an interview and what audience is it intended for? ... a story about the “global Russian cap” that covered the world? ...
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 3 October 2013 13: 07 New
          +2
          bike about the "global Russian cap" that covered the world?

          Well, at least something new ... otherwise Russians with hand bears, nuclear-pumped balalaikas ... laughing
          And then all of a sudden! belay
    4. Genry
      Genry 3 October 2013 12: 04 New
      +1
      An analogue of the S-300 sea-based (if not close).
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 October 2013 12: 23 New
        +2
        And can he intercept ballistic targets? In my opinion, no.
        1. alone
          alone 3 October 2013 21: 22 New
          +1
          a stupid provocative newspaper has launched a duck that even the Arabs themselves (adequate) do not
          believed, and here we are wondering how we could bring her down)))) fellow
  18. Senya Gorbunkov
    Senya Gorbunkov 3 October 2013 11: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: olegff68
    Whatever anyone says, this situation is a vivid example of the brilliant work of the Russian leadership in foreign policy, in upholding the interests of the state !!!

    And I would remind you of how various kinds of "triumphs" broke loose, with foam at the mouth or with a cute smile, they proved that the time of GDP has passed and "fresh blood" is needed, people thinking with different patterns ..
    It’s clear, because the further fate of mankind painted, but without Russia, more precisely due to the resources and territories of Russia, a further circus of "dialectical materialism" could develop for about 300-400 years, and then, to the suckers from "anthill No. 13" it will be announced that they are suckers of a planetary scale, which their with our own hands we destroyed our own space house .. we are to blame, we informed you in 3-D films, you knew the truth, or rather you guessed what seemed like the truth, and now forgive me, there are a couple more planets with suckers in addition ..

    By the way, the logic brought to "perfection", as an indisputable pattern of thinking, is also "their" notion.
  19. TRex
    TRex 3 October 2013 11: 17 New
    -1
    Rather, I believe that the aliens shot down these missiles, like a Chelyabinsk meteorite. Ballistic targets ... did our missile defense appear and cover the Mediterranean Sea? Dreamers, these - http://mixednews.ru/
  20. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 3 October 2013 11: 18 New
    +3
    Yes, we took the first round of the Syrian confrontation between the USA and Russia .....
    What these nits will come up with in the second round is still unclear .... but the fact that everything has not ended is clear. At hand now we have this hitch with the financing of the US Government ..... very much at hand .... maybe due to this the Americans will leave the Syrian coast and there will be no second round ... although ..... I watched RenTV yesterday ... and the program "We never dreamed" ... the words of Wangi were once again confirmed .... ".. the world will stand until Syria fell" .... believe it or not ... it's hard .... time will tell
    1. olviko
      olviko 3 October 2013 13: 48 New
      +1
      If you want another portion of conspiracy theories:
      From the author: "Over the past 24 hours, I have had two separate conversations with two different sources, each saying almost the same thing: Be prepared for the unexpected. You need to wake up. Understand that everything we said is a lie. We are at the very epicenter of the “perfect storm.” The first words coming from my source inside the intelligence community say a lot. “These people [Obama’s regime and his mentors]“ pissed. ”They didn’t get what they wanted with Syria because we were ahead them by organizing them “Benghazi.” Alternative media also “made them”, but that doesn’t mean that they gave up. It’s far from it. What does it mean? And the fact that they have the same goal, but changed their plans " . To make it clear, I asked about the ultimate goals of their game. "America's degradation as a viable global power, economically and militarily. They reckon that people's attention is focused on political theater, and that’s exactly what’s happening right now with a failed budget. But no one is looking through the eyes of someone behind the curtains and if they are there, and if they are, very few who have noticed understand what they see. The goal is to create a new global economic and energy structure by removing the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. By subordinating the US to the global structure authorities. Why is no one in the media talking about it? Because they are accomplices. Why aren't most of those who work in the "alternative media" talking about it? Because they don't look at the big picture. The lie is so big that they’re not able to understand. "
      People should understand that China and Russia are clearly aware of our economic and military vulnerabilities and exploit these vulnerabilities. China is positioning its economy as dominant in the world. In addition, they increased their military power to surpass the United States, "he added.
      “At present, the Russians are teaming up with the Chinese and conducting military exercises. Remember that in 2008, a military situation was simulated with the participation of the American United strike forces when the F-35 fighters were against Russian Su-35 heavy fighters. It was clear that the Russians the US defeated them as children. With a single minute I have no doubt that the Chinese and Russians are positioning themselves dominating the United States militarily. Due to the fact that Russia has pushed the United States in the situation with Syria, this the moment is very important, "- this is what the financial insider said. Along with the information I received from my intelligence source, V added that the clock of the US dollar, which plays the role of the reserve currency in the world, is ticking in the form of a time bomb.
      Another source, a financial insider who uses the pseudonym “V, The Guerrilla Economist” on the Internet, said the current US liquidity crisis. "We broke down, became bankrupt, and not by chance, but by design. He also added that, obviously, there is a plan for a single global currency, one world economy. And with it comes one world power structure to control this new world financial order." http://imperiya.by/news.html?id=117193

      .. believe it or not ... it's hard .... time will tell





      .
    2. 1536
      1536 3 October 2013 22: 08 New
      +1
      Already come up with. Today our diplomatic mission in Libya has been evacuated to Tunisia. And yesterday, a treacherous attack was committed on our diplomats and the embassy in Libya. So, still to come.
  21. varov14
    varov14 3 October 2013 11: 19 New
    +5
    Sometimes it’s just useful to play crazy ready for anything, confusing those around you. Kuzkina’s mother is also not a bad weapon in certain circumstances.
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  23. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 3 October 2013 11: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Xroft
    I copied this article 3 weeks ago, but the admins apparently considered it not interesting ........ how things change when Russia wins political victories :)

    Not the fact that the disposal of chemical weapons in Syria will be a political victory for Russia! Today may be yes, but tomorrow ... who knows. Another provocation, and Assad has no deterrent to external aggression.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 3 October 2013 12: 30 New
      +3
      When these initiatives began, in chemical. weapons, I somehow did not like it. Immediately somehow suspiciously all this Western scum calmed down! Gaddafi let journalists into his military facilities, so what? (!). HOPE, Assad will show and give only part of his "chemical" shield.
  24. shitovmg
    shitovmg 3 October 2013 11: 27 New
    +6
    Such information is caressing eyes and ears, but !!! Why only 2 rockets, and not a massive strike ??? Why so far??? There are a lot of questions, but that day there were disruptions with mobile communications, honestly speaking, I thought that “Putin ZhPS turned off” - a lesson with Georgia went for the future!
  25. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 3 October 2013 11: 28 New
    +3
    it’s good that NATO made it clear that we control not only our skies, about the downing of a rocket and the avoidance of another, I think that we did it sooner, but what is the point of the Jews and Amers throwing rockets between themselves and knocking them together?
  26. ando_bor
    ando_bor 3 October 2013 11: 29 New
    +3
    Honestly, I doubt that our two missiles were shot down.
    All the same, I think it was a check.
    But the fact that Russia is ready to bring them down both technically and politically
    no one had any doubts.
  27. Altona
    Altona 3 October 2013 11: 41 New
    +6
    A beautiful version that the diplomatic dialogue was confirmed by technical capabilities and a tough military position ... The rest, just guess ...
  28. Kubatai
    Kubatai 3 October 2013 11: 45 New
    +6
    The story is muddy with these launches. And I more willingly believe that ours shot them down in international waters and indicated to the NATO that the missiles would go astray and that information on the launches would be transmitted to the Syrians, but about the ultimatum “a missile in Damascus is a missile in Moscow” - it’s somehow I can’t believe it.
    Around the same time, the Americans lost Ф22 and 4th cr in Jordan. Jordanians confirmed through mass media that the Americans lost F22 (made reconnaissance flight near the borders of Syria). True, there was no comment from the American, nor from the Syrian, nor from our authorities on this matter.
    1. alone
      alone 3 October 2013 21: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Kubatai
      Around the same time, the Americans lost Ф22 and 4th cr in Jordan. Jordanians confirmed through mass media that the Americans lost F22 (made reconnaissance flight near the borders of Syria). True, there was no comment from the American, nor from the Syrian, nor from our authorities on this matter.


      also turned out to be a duck. in that issue of the los angeles times there wasn’t such information at all, but as for the other newspaper (I forgot the name of the newspaper), it turned out that there wasn’t such a newspaper at all))
  29. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 3 October 2013 11: 47 New
    +7
    Everything can be ... As one of the versions of events - it has the right to exist. Over time, maybe we'll find out the truth ... what
    With rare exceptions, Russian diplomacy has always been at its best. Unlike pi.ndos who are used to resolving conflicts either by force or by arrogance. Even according to the historical "age" of the countries, an analogy can be drawn: the USA is a pimpled and cocky youth overgrown with increased hormonal pressure on the brain gyrus, who has cut out large brass knuckles from a piece of iron and is eager to prove his superiority by rubbing yard boys, and Russia is a fighter wise in life and experience having spent many fights, having won many victories with his own blood, and therefore especially appreciates peace and tranquility.
    Well do not compete with the pi.ndosam with Russia! tongue Even - with a big brass knuckles, if the Russians stubborn ... IMHO hi
  30. Alikovo
    Alikovo 3 October 2013 12: 10 New
    +1
    Yes, he doesn’t. always want to play war games. hunting hunt them.
  31. honest jew
    honest jew 3 October 2013 12: 13 New
    -6
    Quote: BigLexey
    I really want to believe in the revival of our military power, I want to believe that our elites realized that they can exist safely only in prosperous Russia.

    In another article, Medvedev clearly said that he would have to tighten his belts for many years, so that one can only dream of a revival of Russia's military power hi
    1. polly
      polly 3 October 2013 15: 33 New
      +6
      You are still dreaming, my native defense plant is working to its fullest! laughing laughing laughing
  32. pahom54
    pahom54 3 October 2013 12: 18 New
    +7
    Honestly, I want to BELIEVE that our influences on missile launches, I really want to! And in the negotiations between the heads of intelligence and the Foreign Ministry - too. Now, reasons for being proud of one’s country so rarely began to appear (even hockey players do not give the same joy), that for me any reason is a holiday! Eh, they would have lived to such times when Russia said the USA and the hangers-on didn’t even dare to yap ... But these are all dreams, dreams ... I hope they will come true in a year ...
  33. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 3 October 2013 12: 35 New
    +5
    One fact. Recently it was announced without a pump that a space object, about the size of a Chelyabinsk meteorite, flew past the earth. Passed in 11 thousands of kilometers from the atmosphere, almost literally struck by space standards. What is the salt? He was spotted and accompanied by the Russian detection system! It turns out that we have a certain system consisting of telescopes operating on various physical principles, which can detect and accompany even cosmic objects moving at orbital speeds. That literally yesterday was considered fundamentally impossible .... But you can shoot down anything if you have time for a proportionate reaction.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 October 2013 13: 09 New
      +1
      Attribute to the fact: they found out at the last moment when it would be too late to grab the trigger, if there was one.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 3 October 2013 15: 18 New
        +2
        Right. That is - it may be true how last was the moment ... with the Chelyabinsk meteorite, which precisely aimed at Ufa, is also a lot of obscure. But no one except our last meteorite has not noticed at all! And this testifies - our early warning systems made a qualitative leap.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 3 October 2013 15: 42 New
          +1
          with the Chelyabinsk meteorite, which precisely threw in Ufa, also a lot of obscure.

          If methyl, then would get. Do not doubt. None of the air defense systems today is capable of shooting down a ballistic target with a speed greater than 7 km / s.
    2. alone
      alone 3 October 2013 21: 25 New
      +1
      why then the Chelyabinsk meteorite was not shot down?))
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 3 October 2013 21: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        why then the Chelyabinsk meteorite was not shot down?))

        if you read the forums, then shot down.
        1. alone
          alone 3 October 2013 22: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Cynic
          if you read the forums, then shot down.


          Well, if you read the forums .to Tula and Pskov paratroopers are already fighting in Washington itself and Obama is going to run to Africa to his grandmother))
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 4 October 2013 10: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            then the Tula and Pskov paratroopers are already fighting in Washington itself and Obama is going to run to Africa to his grandmother))

            Do you think that is unrealistic?
            And about Hussein Obama, it is very likely that he was repeatedly visited by the thought
            Damn that day when I sat behind the steering wheel of this vacuum cleaner!
    3. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 3 October 2013 21: 38 New
      +1
      All telescopes monitor the skies: the satellites, first of all, everything that moves, secondly. What the Russian saw, it just so happened. Then this byak flew at a distance of a million kilometers.
  34. military
    military 3 October 2013 12: 44 New
    -2
    Quote: Altona
    A beautiful version that the diplomatic dialogue was confirmed by technical capabilities and a tough military position ... The rest, just guess ...

    well-roasted and seasoned ducklings ... winked
  35. DPN
    DPN 3 October 2013 12: 48 New
    +2
    If this is true, then this is pride in your country and its strength, and it seems like the truth - there are NO WARs yet!
    and God forbid that it was not.
  36. samoletil18
    samoletil18 3 October 2013 12: 50 New
    +2
    Everything painfully beautiful and tasty. Only when the economy is in ... opera, is the army and navy there, along with the entire population (without oligarchs and thieving officials). But still I want it to be like in the article. BECAUSE THE F-22 BANGED SOMEONE.
  37. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 3 October 2013 12: 59 New
    +1
    Kind! Be that as it may, the victory is won! There were facts of shooting down - they were not, but one fact is exact - there are no Americans in Syria!
  38. VadimSt
    VadimSt 3 October 2013 13: 04 New
    +1
    No matter how, the result is important! Sometimes a word, stronger than weapons and Russia, uttered this "Word". This is what made it possible to form the international public opinion of the majority, and those in power could only "listen" - they had no other choice. Unfortunately, not only advertising, the engine of trade, but also war, so there is no reason to hope that the issue of aggression has not been completely resolved - the US financial system feels really bad.


    Quote: Senya Gorbunkov
    And I would remind you of how various "patriots" got off the chain, with foam at the mouth or with a cute smile, they proved that the time for GDP has passed and "fresh blood" is needed, people thinking with different patterns ..
    Interesting! What didn’t like so much in Senya’s statement is true. After all, this is obvious - some simply adjust to the general mood, managing to curse and blame GDP for all the sins in one topic, defend the swamp army, and in the other, it’s “fun to twist the tail” and almost shout “Glory to the GDP”.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 3 October 2013 15: 27 New
      +1
      In the beginning was the word. And the word was - horn! Do you seriously, responsibly believe that Westerners can be stopped by chatter ?! Since the times of Adam and Eve, this has never worked. Already Cain began to defend his point of view with ketmen ... yes. And Adam and Eve yourself know who they did not perceive by ear. I don’t believe in a purely verbal victory. Kill him ...
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 3 October 2013 19: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Do you seriously, responsibly believe that Westerners can be stopped by chatter ?!

        And you, it seems, think that it was not diplomacy in Russia that brought, albeit short-term, success in the Syrian issue?
  39. dimon-media
    dimon-media 3 October 2013 13: 08 New
    0
    All the same, they did not merge Syria. They didn’t allow the battle. And all this is by the power of the word. not a weapon. No wonder they say a word can hurt more than a knife. Could diplomats save Syria, well done! And if what happens, we will help you by force. Although hardly war ALREADY will not.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 3 October 2013 14: 09 New
      +2
      Although it is unlikely, there will NOT be a war.

      Dear Dmitry!
      Why such confidence?soldier
  40. pl675
    pl675 3 October 2013 13: 09 New
    0
    rave.
    not pit.
    article is nonsense.
  41. Sharingan
    Sharingan 3 October 2013 13: 16 New
    0
    Source who? A cleaning lady Baba Klava from a nearby entrance?
  42. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 October 2013 13: 17 New
    +3
    source noted ...

    This is from the OBS area (one grandmother said). Maybe yes, maybe not ... how to check? Although it sounds nice.smile
    followed by European statements of principle

    Well, not really like that. The luminaries of democracy and the main NATO force, the Estonian presidents, the foreign minister, and the defense minister clearly stated that they had to be bombed (they would have bombed themselves, but nothing).wassat
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  44. fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 3 October 2013 14: 29 New
    +4
    Duck with apples! (WITH)
  45. samoletil18
    samoletil18 3 October 2013 14: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Neighbor
    Yes, it doesn’t “climate” with another aggression, so the Russian military presence in the Mediterranean does not look like a confrontation to me, but as an excuse to leave the game with a good expression.

    Absolutely right point of view. After all, 5 years ago Russia stood up for an “ally,” and suddenly here. But the Western world is peaceful for why confrontation. Do not admit that the money for aggression is rotten.
    1. alone
      alone 3 October 2013 21: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: samoletil18
      . After all, 5 years ago, Russia stood up for an "ally",


      Sorry, of course, but Russia stood up not for the "ally", but for its peacekeepers and for those people who had Russian passports in their pockets.
  46. Navigator2013
    Navigator2013 3 October 2013 14: 35 New
    +1
    Was there a boy? Yes, of course it was, and it is. A boy sits somewhere on the outskirts of London and throws ideas on the site of military experts. And suddenly, one of the colonels and generals will merge the next comma, or maybe tell me the version. Why not check. The analytical sieve will sift through everything.
    What is the difference now from where the missiles started and where they fell. Heads of intelligence contacted - that's a fact. After the death of KURSK, the CIA chief also came to Moscow.
    History repeats itself. Missiles did not fly and the conflict did not receive tragic development. This is the main thing. At least partial revenge for KURSK.
  47. bulvas
    bulvas 3 October 2013 15: 04 New
    +2
    Maybe all these landing ships were loaded with something?
    For example, containers with a "club"?
  48. oapvokin
    oapvokin 3 October 2013 15: 13 New
    +1
    Or maybe Russia promised to remove all its money from American banks? In this economic situation, this is a powerful blow.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 4 October 2013 11: 02 New
      0
      Quote: oapvokin
      promised to remove all her money from American banks?
      it’s not necessary to fall into whim at all ............ I think this will never happen, unfortunately ..........
  49. DimYang
    DimYang 3 October 2013 15: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    And if you think about it. Who trusts a glass jar, who overseas or offshore. Well ... "my roll is where my pennies are." Who will roar to their "homeland". Will leave without an inheritance and with bare backside.


    As for the picture of a Polish Jew: the "so-called" elite "has never been ours. Just look at the faces of most of them. The elite are our scientists, outstanding thinkers, destroyed nobles, officers of the tsarist army, and this is ordinary scum, which I personally would wipe off the face of the earth, along with all their fellow tribesmen.
  50. Cat
    Cat 3 October 2013 15: 27 New
    +4
    What can I say on this article ...
    Well-informed diplomatic source

    - It can be considered as such solely because at one time I had the opportunity to repeatedly drink with an assistant plumber of the American embassy in Honduras. Accordingly, confusing a ballistic missile and a missile launcher is not much more difficult for him than confusing an anti-ship missile and MANPADS. Moreover, examples of such "competence" are dofig and a little more, including on this site.
    On the other hand - in any state, regardless of the level of "democracy", there are secrets - for the disclosure of which they clearly rely on imprisonment in a 2x1 m chamber, located, respectively, at a depth of 2 m from the soil surface. So even if the source knew something like that, it could consciously distort information, away from sin.

    In reality, the following is known: something started from somewhere, flew, but did not fly and fell into the sea, and Russia was involved in the fact of a shortage somehow. After which, (or by a strange coincidence?) Obama suddenly changed his mind about bombing Damascus. And all - no more specifics, just idle speculation.
    And even if one of the parties suddenly decides to voice the details of this event - most likely, 99 percent of the explanation will consist of diplomatic verbiage, but our descendants will know the truth only after three hundred years. Unless, of course, humanity until then dies to the appropriate mother - because of how to chase away a cataclysm such as global warming, the 4th World War, or there invasion of green men.