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On the crisis of public health, the loss of national pride and the tools of dismantling the people

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When we have to meet with student youth, this strange question arises: do we have something that we can be proud of?


This question every time depresses me. This is what means, politicians of all stripes and journalists have muzzled ordinary people with their own reasoning! As they were not sensitive to what is happening in the soul of those who listen to them and read! They have inspired people that Russia, in its present state, has nothing to say to the world - we have neither business nor thoughts that are valuable to humanity.

What a damn thing is to destroy an important part of our national consciousness with a stream of momentary “dill”! This important side of the crisis of our national well-being completely thrown out of the public conversation. Someone else can say about the military prowess of Suvorov or Zhukov, about the veterans of the Great Patriotic War, about the genius of Pushkin or Yesenin, but it’s all about the past. And this past is so detached from the present that is perceived by young people as the light of an extinct star.

Really we can not be proud of our loved ones, people who live here and now? How can this be?

I will express my thoughts. First, it is necessary to separate "pride for" and "love for". It seems to me that many young people suffer because they have been taught to love only those who can be proud of, that is, to show their dignity to some external judge (God, humanity, neighbor). In other words, it is necessary to love the strong, the rich, the beautiful, the clever and others - those who win the competition.

This new phenomenon in our culture was observed from the end of the nineteenth century and, apparently, was inspired by European education, the influence of the “culture of success” that emerged in the “titanic” (Promethean) civilization of the West. There is a strong feeling that if a person did not succeed, then this is a sign of “rejection”, but it’s impossible to love those who are outcast. Philosopher V.V. Rozanov wrote to this that it is not difficult to love Russia when it is in the glory of glory and it is accompanied by success. Truly Russian is the one who loves Russia when she is “spit in the dirt by everyone”.

Many do not like the current Russia, because it "lies in the dirt." They become more favorable to it as GDP grows. With such talk about nothing, just to be loyal citizens. But this is not our concern, but law enforcement. Our conversation with those who love Russia in any of its condition, like a mother. They love, but they suffer because they cannot be proud at the same time. This is often the case. Love is a secret feeling, and pride is in people.

So, the difficult question is whether we have something to be proud of, being thrown into dust, when talented students try to get settled in the West ahead of time or beg for grants, when the rulers swear adherence to foreign values. People are confused and do not know what could be the subject of their national pride. People deprived of the coordinate system! It seems a trifle, but in fact a strong tool to dismantle the people.

I personally see it this way. We as a people are experiencing a severe crisis. Any crisis (including war) is a special, anomalous type of being of a people and a person. Bend, twist and even break all sides of life. Rises to the top and brazenly asserts the most vile and vile that is in the people. But at the same time, the brightest, the kindest, and the most intelligent gather and oppose meanness. Here is (or absent) what one can be proud of even in defeat.

At the moment of this national disaster, we must remember the words of the poet: "Blessed are those who visited this world in his fateful moments." I was struck by Tyutchev's insight. So it is, but you will not shout at every corner how happy you are at the moment of disaster. And sometimes they so persistently do not understand that, inevitably, they have to open up, say something that is customary to keep silent.

Once, in 1993, I gave a report on the doctrine of economic reform in Russia at a scholarly meeting in Spain. In remarks in different expressions, one thought sounded: what a strange failure in the culture of a great people, what a regression in thinking, what an unusual stupidity of reformers, what a shame to turn over a great country and ruin a great economy.

At first I turned to logic: one cannot make such generalizations on the basis of one lost campaign in the great war, all the more so without taking into account the balance of forces at that moment. Yes, because of the confluence historical circumstances, the Russians lost the "cold war", but the story does not end there. For 1941 it was 1943, and then 1945.

But, as it turned out, people find it difficult to navigate in time - they say, when this new 1945 still comes. What is happening now is the question! And I did not speak about logic, but about feelings, as a direct witness. He said that he had experienced two moments of great happiness and pride in his life - in childhood and now, in his declining years. Both times these were moments of national disaster, and I lived in it. And the happiness was because I continuously saw around me, next to me, the greatness, kindness and nobility of many people. It was in distress that my people turned out to be great and noble. As a child I, of course, did not understand this, but I felt very keenly. And now I feel, and I understand, and I am proud. Yes, this pride is not from victory, not from strength weapons or the Russian banking system. But then, both strength, and feats, and victories are different.

Then in Spain, too, there was a “crisis” - the decline in production of the 1 percentage, revenues do not grow. People were nervous, many behaved strangely, as if they turned off the conscience. And imagine, I say, that your production fell by 50 percent, and the income of the majority - three to four times. After all, society would simply crumble, people would become flocks of wolves. But this did not happen here. A woman in the subway can nap, putting his bag on the floor. And here their bags are wound on the arm, and still they are pulled out every now and then, almost with the hand together. A couple on a motorcycle will aim, will rush through - the back will jerk the bag. Watch a Hollywood movie prediction of what their cities will become after a big disaster.

At the end of 1991, a familiar Spanish sociologist, head of the department of sociology at the University of Zaragoza, asked me about such a thing. You, he says, will have price liberalization in January, the purchasing power of income will drop sharply. Try to get for us information about how many stray dogs will be caught in these months in Moscow. I was surprised, and he explained. They in the department invented a method for measuring the population’s response to the crisis — the number of dogs kicked out of the house. As the sociologist said, this turned out to be a very sensitive indicator. There are no formal economic signs of a crisis yet, but the middle class already has a gut feeling about its approach. And what? The prosperous townsfolk begin to drive their four-legged friends out of the apartments.

The sociologist anticipated that in Moscow they would receive sensational scientific material - still, a phenomenal instant impoverishment of millions of residents of the capital. It was interesting for me to listen to his arguments, but I warned that their method was hardly suitable in Moscow. Another nation, another culture.

I was right. It was not possible to get exact statistics - then in Moscow, not that dogs were caught, even the garbage was temporarily stopped to be taken out, they just burned it in the courtyards. But I watched myself and asked my friends to watch what happens to the dogs in their yards. Nothing has happened.

And remember the hard October 1993 of the year. The events of that October are not essentially political. The policy was in them, but as a shell, almost like a husk. They are important for everyone in Russia, whatever position he takes in politics today. It was an unexpected and unorganized response to the call of conscience. The fact that there were many such people who responded to this call with a risk to life, for the sake of almost stifled ideals - an amazing thing. Each of our people can be proud of her. Even he, I repeat, does not agree with those ideals and with the truth of those people.

Representing those events as a clash of political groups, the ideologues tried to erase from the everyday life the concepts of honor and conscience, pride and dedication. All this, they say, is not for "scoops." In Chile, President Allende remained in the palace and died, killed by officers of Pinochet. He became a hero for the West, recognized by all parties. The streets in western cities are named after him - be the mayor even the left one. But Allende died on duty, to surrender to him would be just a shame. None of the ordinary Chileans died at the Moneda Palace.

In Moscow, we saw something completely different - thousands of ordinary people came to die to the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR. Moreover, they despised both Rutsky and the deputies who had given Russia to be torn apart by the Yeltsin regime, which now threw these deputies as a ragged rag. What motivated these people? This is not talked about, even shy. And it was pure feelings, nobility that moved them. This rarely happens, and we had it before our eyes.

I am not a religious person, but there I understood what grace is. When people traveled, sometimes with great difficulty, to the courtyard of the House of Soviets, surrounded by riot police, they were embraced by a feeling of grace, as if this courtyard was lit with a special light, as if there was a window in the sky above it. This feeling was so strong that it was often possible to see people, even very elderly, running to this place from the Barrikadnaya metro station by running. And if it were not for decency, then almost everyone would have fled - at least a minute earlier to get there, inhale that air and that light.

I remember that on the evening of September 27 suddenly stopped letting people go to the House of Soviets. Leave - please, but there - no. Everyone was worried, especially those who were waiting for friends and relatives. Crowded in the cold rain at the cordon, quarrel, all soaked. Suddenly an important man passes through the cordon. Warmly dressed, with a bag - food, water. Women rushed to him: “How did you go? Where are they allowed? ”. And he with a proud look, down on them replies: “They are not allowed anywhere. And I have a pull. The officer with my son in Afghanistan served, he will always let me through. ” And they departed from him, with envy and ill will. And then blat!

Why did this old man use his privilege? To get through to where he will get wet all night without food or fire, at the risk of being soaked with clubs (oh tanks then did not think yet). This old man was above the very concept of "heroism", he was in another dimension. How can you not be proud of such an old man! But the authorities were proud of the bard Bulat Okudzhava, who said: "I watched the shooting of the White House as the ending of a fascinating detective story - with delight." Perhaps it was for these words of the “democrat” that they subsequently established the State Prize in his name ...

And yet noble, selfless people are in our majority, you just have to see them under the mud that caused the crisis. Thanks to their perseverance and heroism, which they themselves did not notice, Russia lasted in the turmoil of the 90s. Theoretically, everything had to crumble. This persistence is not only proud of, it must be studied. She still useful to us.
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  1. 10kAzAk01
    10kAzAk01 3 October 2013 15: 29 New
    +3
    about dogs smiled !!! in January in Russia no one will expel them !!! after the New Year's feast, it’s for the dogs that tons of food remain !!! wassat
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 3 October 2013 16: 57 New
      13
      The article has one common thought. The country needs VICTORIES, and with the current crooks and thieves, we have one FAILURE. So any nation can be driven into a dead end.
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 3 October 2013 17: 02 New
        +9
        A few years ago I wrote these lines:

        It's a shame. To tears. No, it’s not a defeatist mood, it’s all bad ... but the last year and a half from the television viewer - disaster, catastrophe, tragedy, terrorist attack, terrorist attack ... dozens, dozens, dozens, dozens of victims. And disappointments. With the World Cup, with the Olympics ... And the morale of the people must be maintained ... ours do not understand this. Otherwise, all sorts of liberals and sausage emigrants breed, and this is, at best, at worst, all sorts of Buryat Saids.
        Lust is not able to maintain morale, in almost all respects it does not stand up to criticism even in comparison with the scoop.
        For all this time - we were pleased only with the "Sukhoi" with PAK FA. They are great not only technically, they also organized an amazing PR ... remember these cool videos and photos ... aviation lovers around the world are still jerking off ... and just lovers of beautiful high-resolution photos. .. This really does a lot to raise the country's prestige abroad and patriotism within the country. And not at all UG-concerts with old women and old people singing the revolting and smelling of mothballs hurray-patriotic songs and no less popular pop singers who paid for their place at concerts ...
        Need a new idea. And this idea could be space and Mars.
        First you need to make a film, heroic, but not pathos, but serious ... About the flight to Mars. To pride pearl from every frame. Built by Vostochny Cosmodrome, training flights at the PAK FA, where laughing young pilots jokingly and chatting overtake each other on futuristic airplanes ...
        Then - the flight itself, camera flashes, a tricolor palisade on the way for astronauts going to the rocket, an epic take-off to epic music, close-ups, cool angles, a sea of ​​special effects ...
        Flight to Mars, the struggle with space, with loneliness, when one of the three astronauts recalls his girlfriend (wife) remaining on Earth, the other dreams of buying money from a flight in a beautiful place and buying back the family auto repair shop that once belonged to him father, and the third has a blog from space where he meets a beautiful and kind girl, whom he always dreamed of, but could not find before the flight. They've been texting all this time.
        Then a heroic landing on Mars and flying back.
        Return to Earth, landing like a comet, in a cloud of flame, then a parachute and - landing in the ocean. Immediately - planes, helicopters - "Admiral Kuznetsov" and "Peter the Great" are approaching. The descent capsule is lifted aboard, the hatch opens and the first cosmonaut appears with a raised hand and a triumphant cry. All the sailors, pilots and officials crowded on the deck applauded. Flowers, camera flashes, a huge flag behind the astronauts. One of them is immediately thrown on the neck by his girlfriend, another is given a certificate of ownership of the same house and family auto repair shop, and the third sees in the crowd the very girl with whom he corresponded all these years.
        Suddenly, everyone stops talking and turns to one side, an American intelligence officer is circling in the sky, but as if realizing that he is superfluous, he immediately turns shamefully and flies away ...

        If such a film comes out, then the only question people will ask the next day is "Why are we not on Mars yet?"
      2. starshina78
        starshina78 3 October 2013 20: 13 New
        +1
        I would like to add: one of the greats said: "We love the Motherland, but we hate the state." It turns out that we love Russia, but we cannot stand the authorities. And why love her - then?
        1. major071
          major071 3 October 2013 21: 09 New
          +8
          There is a state in whose territory we live. And there is a homeland that we love and are ready to defend. Our politicians have a country that can and should be robbed, and their homeland is in the west.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 3 October 2013 21: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: major071
            Our politicians have a country that can and should be robbed, and their homeland is in the west.

            This is not their homeland (in the west), it is rather Refuge.
  2. Stepnogorets
    Stepnogorets 3 October 2013 15: 47 New
    -19
    BLAH BLAH BLAH! BLAH BLAH BLAH!
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 October 2013 15: 48 New
    17
    Article plus! Special:
    it is not difficult to love Russia when it is in the splendor of fame and success is accompanied by it. Truly Russian is the one who loves Russia when it "spits in the mud by everyone."
    This probably is "mysterious Russian soul"!
    And most of us have such glory to God!
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 3 October 2013 15: 52 New
      16
      Vitaly, Motherland. A real son always takes care of his mother when she is sick. And waiting for her recovery, whoever says anything. Is not it? Here is the answer.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 3 October 2013 17: 00 New
        12
        Yes guys so ....
        We really do not scotch, therefore Asians and Caucasians are brought here ...
        Our character trait is benevolence coupled with justice - there is nothing to interrupt ....
        Quote: MIKHAN
        is the "mysterious Russian soul"!

        This is the soul of a man, the real ....
        We made a mistake raising people to the level of Human-Images, giving them education and culture, and they again build mosques on (with the Stolen Money)))
        and muzzle on the floor ..... 6 times a day ??? And also in our territory ....
        Probably enough already synagogues ????)))
        With suffrage We are rude, Well, it must be thought up so that psychiatric hospitals vote ????
        The right must be earned (any))
        therefore we will have to conquer - because "cattle" - human hybrids - just won't finish a well-fed life on our neck ....
        Ministers, government, bankers and security officials - finally, in the eyes of People, turned into "animals" who can talk (but not think)))

        Alas, the "slaughterhouse" seems to be inevitable. It will not be possible to solve everything by the world ..
        Unfortunately ... you have to "get dirty"))
        it's a pity.
        1. elmir15
          elmir15 4 October 2013 10: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          it is not difficult to love Russia when it is in the splendor of fame and success is accompanied by it. Truly Russian is the one who loves Russia when it "spits in the mud by everyone."
          This is probably the "mysterious Russian soul"!
          And most of us have such glory to God!

          Unfortunately, this majority is not in power, otherwise Russia would flourish and be powerful.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 3 October 2013 19: 47 New
        +1
        Somehow my soul felt warm after reading the article. Kara-Murza is handsome, with difficulty he mastered his "Manipulation of Consciousness", such a monumental work. I would like to wish him many more years.
    2. Manager
      Manager 3 October 2013 16: 50 New
      +9
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Article plus! Special:
      it is not difficult to love Russia when it is in the splendor of fame and success is accompanied by it. Truly Russian is the one who loves Russia when it "spits in the mud by everyone."
      This is probably the "mysterious Russian soul"!
      And most of us have such glory to God!


      There is no need to confuse the government and the Russian land. If we all love Russian land, then no one is the government. And this is the main difference. And what does it mean to spit? Rather put the question by whom? And the answer is simple! Swolty oil and gas.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 3 October 2013 20: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Manager
        There is no need to confuse the government and the Russian land. If we all love Russian land, then no one is the government. And this is the main difference. And what does it mean to spit? Rather put the question by whom? And the answer is simple! Swolty oil and gas

        Well, such slogans can be heard in almost every kitchen of drinking unlucky philosophers with ambition. Government is just a mirror of the society in which we live. Do you mind? If you do, I don’t know whether to envy you or sympathize with you. If you really do not see what is happening around you in everyday life, then I envy you. So either you are a kind of dreamer, grabbing at a straw, "they are to blame, because they are there, and I am here, where everyone is good, but have to suffer, because there are bad ones and it is more profitable for them there."
        Or the second option: you are the same as them, but you do everything on a much smaller scale, since you are here. But in order to whitewash yourself for yourself, you need to find a kind of "pattern of guilt in all troubles." If so, then I sympathize with you. For what we have, every more or less adult person is to blame to a greater or lesser extent.
      2. major071
        major071 3 October 2013 21: 11 New
        +6
        I would like that this bastard would turn from an oil and gas carrier simply into a sucking one. angry
    3. DJEIN8
      DJEIN8 3 October 2013 17: 49 New
      +3
      In fact ... HEALTHY ... when you are drunk wallowing in real or moral mud, or on the verge of it ... when you can beat anyone because you just didn’t like it, you should be lousy, rob, and the same “LOVE”, either directly or figuratively I mean, how to work, or even not, to produce bad cars (in a wide range of this concept), to produce products that can be called so HUGE, (if they poison more than they bring at least some benefit), manage to sell them for money, ... FALSE ... in the whole range of relationships, in the big and the small, which is most often hidden, the STUPIDness that you will never admit to yourself ... do not care what is going on around and in the World, ......., and you also .... LOVE ... .. !!! ... ??? Ah, yes ....... here we are approaching this ... and instructing ... "you will love the love of evil and the goat" ... .. "if you love for something ... well, for example, GOOD ... it's not LOVE ....", well, for MONEY , it really IS POSSIBLE, ....... It is SO JOYOUS that we have "SUCH LOVE", ............. .. but how many are SATISFACING ... .. SUCH .. And children grow up from such love .. BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ... ..? ?? ... DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS ALL AND UNDERSTAND .. ??? Life and the planet will force .... The question is WHAT PRICE ... .. ???
      And we have most of these ....? To know ..... How much everything would be simplified ...
      And that’s all HOPE ..... HOPE ...
    4. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 3 October 2013 18: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Article plus! Special:
      it is not difficult to love Russia when it is in the splendor of fame and success is accompanied by it. Truly Russian is the one who loves Russia when it "spits in the mud by everyone."
      This probably is "mysterious Russian soul"!
      And most of us have such glory to God!

      Vitaliy, not only Russians love their homeland. I am not Russian, but I love MOTHERLAND. And the same with my parents. They loved the Motherland at the zenith of its glory, and in the damn nineties, and now they love.
  4. avt
    avt 3 October 2013 15: 48 New
    +5
    Quote: 10kAzAk01
    about dogs smiled !!!

    But on Cherkizovskaya there are no stray dogs. Immediately, they disappeared right before the opening of network stalls at bus stops "Ivan San" and the population did not recover with the closure of Cherkizon. A sure sign of an increase in Chinese-Vietnamese migration. former industrial zones and out of the gates do not crawl out. And I don’t believe the Karamurz, how dashingly they have responsibilities in their clan - one patriot, the other younger - a libertarian.
  5. avt
    avt 3 October 2013 15: 49 New
    0
    Quote: 10kAzAk01
    about dogs smiled !!!

    But on Cherkizovskaya there are no stray dogs. Immediately, they disappeared right before the opening of network stalls at bus stops "Ivan San" and the population did not recover with the closure of Cherkizon. A sure sign of an increase in Chinese-Vietnamese migration. former industrial zones and out of the gates do not crawl out. And I don’t believe the Karamurz, how dashingly they have responsibilities in their clan - one patriot, the other younger - a libertarian.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 3 October 2013 16: 03 New
      +6
      I immediately noticed that today is a day rich in philosophical themes and morality. It is visible to the naked eye how the process of rethinking in society is going on. Once the former Union and its Soviet republics plunged into such a whirlpool of events and chaos that sometimes you are amazed, although with great losses On the whole, interstate and purely human relations have been preserved.

      quote-Thanks to their perseverance and heroism, which they themselves did not notice, Russia held out in the turmoil of the 90's. Theoretically, everything should have crumbled.

      but if this would happen, God forbid of course under the rubble we would all be, and not just the Russians.

      Article plus.
      1. GREAT RUSSIA
        GREAT RUSSIA 3 October 2013 18: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        I immediately noticed that today is a day rich in philosophical themes and morality. It is visible to the naked eye how the process of rethinking in society is going on. Once the former Union and its Soviet republics plunged into such a whirlpool of events and chaos that sometimes you are amazed, although with great losses On the whole, interstate and purely human relations have been preserved.

        quote-Thanks to their perseverance and heroism, which they themselves did not notice, Russia held out in the turmoil of the 90's. Theoretically, everything should have crumbled.

        but if this would happen, God forbid of course under the rubble we would all be, and not just the Russians.

        Article plus.

        I agree. Good day. There are a lot of good philosophical topics for today. In short, there is something to read.
  6. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 October 2013 15: 51 New
    +7
    In October, 1993 of the year repeatedly visited the White House. He was cordoned off by a police cordon. People were not allowed to the building. It was difficult for a simple person to figure out what was happening, who was right and who was to blame. People came up to the cordon, found out something and went on about their business. And the confrontation between supporters of Yeltsin and the Supreme Council grew. But this confrontation passed by the bulk of the people. The history of Russia was created without taking into account the opinions of the people ...
    1. avt
      avt 3 October 2013 16: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      People came up to the cordon, found out something and went on about their business. And the confrontation between supporters of Yeltsin and the Supreme Council grew. But this confrontation passed by the bulk of the people. The history of Russia was created without taking into account the opinions of the people ...

      There, during the shelling of onlookers, ordinary people were immeasurably on the bridge and on the roof of the house on New Arbat opposite. They watched it online. Even when the ambulance took away a wounded or killed person, they did not scatter. Something doubles began to pop up, maybe moderators will remove one of the pair?
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 3 October 2013 16: 17 New
        +2
        Well, my teacher in criminology also said, "We have a cool attitude towards death, if not cynical."
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 3 October 2013 19: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Arabist
          Our attitude to death is cool, if not cynical. "

          In times of great upheaval, death is not the only concern of us.
  7. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 October 2013 15: 51 New
    +8
    Everything that has happened in recent decades is a terrible defeat of the foundations of the Russian people. We must pay tribute to the Anglo-Saxons, they patiently and non-stop carried out and carry out the so-called. Dulles' plan and, by God, Russia still remains, well, just by some miracle. As Field Marshal Christopher Antonovich Minich (Count Burchard Christoph von Munnich) uttered: "Russia is ruled directly by the Lord God. Otherwise, it is impossible to imagine how this state still exists."
    And yet we have the majority of noble, selfless people, we just need to make out

    This is encouraging, that's just the question. And who will take a look and correctly dispose of this majority? WHO WILL PROTECT THIS MOST?
  8. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 3 October 2013 16: 18 New
    +1
    Well, in principle, I agree with the article. I don’t know how it is about heroism, otherwise, we just have to love America (exceptional) or China may be in the future. Love for one’s country is inherently characteristic of any nation, unless of course globalism with the help of the United States has covered it.
  9. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 3 October 2013 16: 30 New
    +1
    from the Don.
    most importantly, in all conditions, to remain human! You have to pay for everything. Not for us, so for our children, grandchildren! I observe this in the world around us!
  10. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 October 2013 16: 35 New
    +2
    for some reason I remembered filatovskoe-
    "and those who water the earth with sweat,
    in our country they consider an idiot.
    and if he is also a patriot
    then he's already a dangerous id-di0t " hi
  11. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 3 October 2013 16: 45 New
    +1
    Mind does not understand Russia,
    Yard common not to measure
    She has a special
    You can only believe in Russia!
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 3 October 2013 16: 47 New
      +2
      Naturally, that you are not, or are you thinking everything here even without school education?
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 3 October 2013 19: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Medvedev
      Mind does not understand Russia

      It’s time, mother edrena, to understand Russia wisely ...
  12. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 3 October 2013 16: 47 New
    +2
    Philosopher V.V. Rozanov wrote to this that it is not difficult to love Russia when it is in the splendor of fame and success is accompanied by it. Truly Russian is the one who loves Russia when she “spits in the mud”
    - ahh ... I see ... Probably, by definition, Russia can be loved only by Russians. Well, since I'm an Avar, I won’t interfere. I'm going to stand aside ...
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 3 October 2013 22: 43 New
      +2
      Russian is a state of mind if you wrote that you love Russia, no one would have caused a cognitive dissonance, just thanks. However, if you say that you love Dagestan, real Russians will understand you too. The Russian world is not a spot on the map, or the graph in the passport, it’s higher than nationality. It’s a state of breadth of soul. Nobody really remembers which nation was V. Tsoi, I. Stalin, I. Aivazovsky, P. Bagration. This state of mind cannot be fit into nationality. God forbid, Russians don’t lose this and do not exchange dignity for trifles.
  13. a52333
    a52333 3 October 2013 16: 53 New
    0
    In general, the Slavs are patriotic at the genetic level. And even now, when the kompadorskaya and liberal propaganda is just beginning to lose ground, look how many young guys brought up on "liberal" propaganda wear T-shirts Russia, I am Russian, read the stickers on the cars. Yes, for 20 years we have been pouring ***** liberal into our ears and eyes, and nothing survived. But- a national idea is needed. Now the Russians rallied around the fight against the United States (simplify), but look NATIONAL IDEA necessary.
    1. mark7
      mark7 3 October 2013 18: 20 New
      0
      Quote: a52333
      walks in t-shirts Russia, I am Russian,

      Yes, only for these T-shirts they took me to the police more than once and sewed nationalism, although the person just walked along the street. It seems like our state is multinational, but there are no Russians
      1. a52333
        a52333 3 October 2013 19: 51 New
        0
        I'm talking about a man who is wearing a T-shirt, pasted "Thank you grandfather" Do you read comments or "listen to voices in my head"
        1. mark7
          mark7 3 October 2013 21: 26 New
          0
          Quote: a52333
          listen to the voices in your head "

          dictated by these voices, you probably wrote your own set of beeches
  14. bddrus
    bddrus 3 October 2013 17: 08 New
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    I see nothing wrong with being proud of the past! I don’t see pride in other countries either. in other countries, too, have not heard of modern Shakespeare and Byron. as they say, without remembering the past, a worthy future cannot be built (approximately)
  15. kaktus
    kaktus 3 October 2013 17: 43 New
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    And yet noble, selfless people are in our majority, you just have to see them under the mud that caused the crisis. Thanks to their perseverance and heroism, which they themselves did not notice, Russia lasted in the turmoil of the 90s. Theoretically, everything had to crumble. This persistence is not only proud of, it must be studied. She still useful to us.

    May it be so!
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 3 October 2013 17: 44 New
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    In general, it is amazing how we survived as human beings at this time?
    After all, the state spins Zhmurki, Bratany, Blind, Brigade, Oblique, and Humpbacked children every day. How do they find reason to be proud of this country in this mud?
    1. DJEIN8
      DJEIN8 3 October 2013 18: 22 New
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      APASUS 17:44 ......
      Are you sure that you SAVED or YOU ARE CONVENIENT SO READ .........
      While everything will be present (possibly pleasant, soothing)
      ... FALSE ... while EVERYTHING or at least ... ABLE ... they will not understand that they will change the state of things that ... IT IS NEVER SO SO ...
      When the events taking place here and in the World ... FORCE ... call what is happening
      in their own names ...... maybe and most likely it will be LATE ...
      There cannot and will not be the one who should be ... HUMAN ..., losing their HUMAN qualities and values ​​... SUDDENLY begin to live better ... IF YOU DO NOT SUPPORT those who ... TRYING ... to change the situation .. Wait for the "uncle" who WILL DO EVERYTHING FOR YOU ...... WILL NOT PERFORM ...... DO NOT HOPE ..... BULK will come and "DO" everything for YOU ....
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 3 October 2013 21: 42 New
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        Quote: DJEIN8
        If you DO NOT SUPPORT those who ... are TRYING ... to change the situation ... Wait for the "uncle" who DOES EVERYTHING FOR YOU ...... WILL NOT PERFORM ...... DO NOT HOPE ..... Bulk will come and that's it YOU WILL "DO".

        Do not agitate me, I have lived enough to not be able to separate the grains from the chaff.
        You’ll name someone who can lead the real opposition, who people will follow. I just don’t need agitation from American embassy about Navalny.
        1. GREAT RUSSIA
          GREAT RUSSIA 3 October 2013 21: 51 New
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          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: DJEIN8
          If you DO NOT SUPPORT those who ... are TRYING ... to change the situation ... Wait for the "uncle" who DOES EVERYTHING FOR YOU ...... WILL NOT PERFORM ...... DO NOT HOPE ..... Bulk will come and that's it YOU WILL "DO".

          Do not agitate me, I have lived enough to not be able to separate the grains from the chaff.
          You’ll name someone who can lead the real opposition, who people will follow. I just don’t need agitation from American embassy about Navalny.

          That's it, I agree. Despite the Communists' still good condition, the opposition is still fragmented (And it’s not necessary to say that the Communists have missed everything, They have very good positions). Putin acts on the principle of divide and conquer. If there was a person able to unite the opposition, the days of Putin and the whole apparatus would be numbered. Whether we like it or not, Putin is the only and largest politician in the last 13 years in the post-Soviet history of RUSSIA.
  17. Icestar777
    Icestar777 3 October 2013 17: 48 New
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    If the holy war cry:
    "Throw you Rus, live in paradise!"
    I'll say: "Don't need heaven,
    Give my homeland "."
    (S. Yesenin)
  18. kosopooz77
    kosopooz77 3 October 2013 18: 03 New
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    [/ quote] - aah .. I see ... Probably, by definition, Russia can be loved only by Russians. Well, since I'm an Avar, I won’t interfere. I’ll go to stand aside ... [/ quote]
    In vain you, dear! Your fellow countryman, Magomed Omarovich Tolboev, in my opinion, is one of the greatest patriots of Russia. He is also an Avar, but always calls himself a Russian Officer
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 3 October 2013 18: 27 New
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      [quote = kosopooz77] [/ quote] - aa .. understandable ... Probably, by definition, Russia can be loved only by Russians. Well, since I'm an Avar, I won’t interfere. I’ll go to stand aside ... [/ quote]
      In vain you, dear! Your fellow countryman, Magomed Omarovich Tolboev, in my opinion, is one of the greatest patriots of Russia. He is also an Avar, but always calls himself a Russian Officer [/ quote]
      I agree. I am Karachay, and we also have a lot of patriots. I myself love my MOTHERLAND.
    2. mark7
      mark7 3 October 2013 19: 50 New
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      Quote: kosopooz77
      yourself a Russian officer

      If a patriot of Russia, then the Russian officer will probably be right
  19. Bort radist
    Bort radist 3 October 2013 18: 57 New
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    The heroes are leaving. Sergey Belov died. "Sergei Belov was a basketball player who did the incredible: for the first time in history with his team, he left the US team without an Olympic" gold "in Munich, that match is legendary. Few people know that the American team refused to receive silver awards and wrote a will so that these medals would never be given to their relatives. The winning goal was scored by Alexander Belov (namesake), but that match was not pulled by Sergei Belov.
    During his brilliant career, Sergey Belov became a multiple champion of the USSR, four times won the gold of the European championships and twice became the world champion. In 1972, together with partners in the national team, he won the Olympic Games. In the legendary final match against the American Dream Team, Belov became the most productive player in the fight, gaining 20 points. In 1980, Belov was entrusted to light the fire of the Moscow Olympics.

    Sergey Belov became the first European to enter the Basketball Hall of Fame. And the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) recognized Belov as the best player in Europe of the last century.

    Sergey Belov also achieved success in the coaching field, having won two Russian championships. Leading the national team, the mentor led the team twice to the silver medals of the World Cup and won the bronze of the European championship.
    [media = http: //vkainske.ru/video/sport/3-sekundy-yeto-nado-videt-02-16.html]
    1. alone
      alone 3 October 2013 19: 27 New
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      Quote: Bort Radist
      The heroes are leaving. Sergey Belov died.


      he was a living legend of soviet basketball. very sorry.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 3 October 2013 19: 53 New
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        Quote: lonely
        he was a living legend of Soviet basketball

        Explain this to those who believe that the Olympics is a public relations power and cut the dough am 3 seconds and the first match of the super series is what my conscious life began with and since then I’m not only a sports fan but also a patriot of my country. And when Canadian American and other stadiums come under our anthem, these are the brightest moments for me good Wife shares Daughter holier than Pope bully Now I’m introducing a grandson fellow laughing
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  21. bubla5
    bubla5 3 October 2013 19: 38 New
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    Yes, we have nowhere to go, and not hunting
  22. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 3 October 2013 19: 43 New
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    "We, as a people, are going through a difficult crisis" - it is quite tough to stop total theft and return the loot to the budget. Make the budget discussion public. They discussed the law on the police.
    1. Gato
      Gato 3 October 2013 22: 25 New
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      Quote: Alexander_
      They discussed the law on the police.

      And what, did the police immediately become exemplary servants?
      enough total theft to stop

      Who will stop? The thieves themselves? Even if you return the loot to the budget, immediately there are people who want to redistribute it again.
  23. Andrey57
    Andrey57 3 October 2013 21: 13 New
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    The homeland, Russia, is wonderful, but the state is very vile, unfortunately ...
  24. SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 3 October 2013 21: 27 New
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    How can one just throw our smaller brothers out of an unfavorable economic situation? I would starve, but I would give a piece of bread to my cat. This is like a brother to me.
    1. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 4 October 2013 09: 52 New
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      Happy you, you have a cat eating bread.
  25. bilgesez
    bilgesez 3 October 2013 21: 40 New
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    I will express an opinion; society divided into two classes-citizens and ordinary people or residents. Citizens can only be representatives of indigenous nationalities of Russia, they are granted basic rights, but also clearly defined responsibilities. Basically something like this.
    1. Gato
      Gato 3 October 2013 22: 22 New
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      Quote: bilgesez
      I will express an opinion; society divided into two classes-citizens and ordinary people or residents. Citizens can only be representatives of indigenous nationalities of Russia

      What nationalities will be considered indigenous?
      1. bilgesez
        bilgesez 3 October 2013 22: 47 New
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        Why is it incomprehensible
  26. KOH
    KOH 4 October 2013 05: 27 New
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    Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Article plus! Special:
    it is not difficult to love Russia when it is in the splendor of fame and success is accompanied by it. Truly Russian is the one who loves Russia when it "spits in the mud by everyone."
    This probably is "mysterious Russian soul"!
    And most of us have such glory to God!

    Vitaliy, not only Russians love their homeland. I am not Russian, but I love MOTHERLAND. And the same with my parents. They loved the Motherland at the zenith of its glory, and in the damn nineties, and now they love.


    In the USSR, all the failures (missile launches, boat fires, plane crashes, etc.) were hidden, and very little leaked into the media, and now there is simply more information, even the journalists are rating not on achievements, but on any negative ..., and gradually, especially young people, it struck my head that Russia was no good at all, and that everything would not be done badly in it, but I always argue with this ..., after the betrayal of the USSR by the tagged, after experiments on Yeltsin’s people with his henchmen, Russia lives, and will still show Kuzkin a mother ...
    1. Troy
      Troy 4 October 2013 06: 34 New
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      I believe that our task, the task of those who love their homeland, is to lay this love for their children. Love for the motherland, history, people and pride in it all. I, thank God, so far manage to win the war against the zombie man for my child, for his brains and soul. Although not easy.
  27. taseka
    taseka 4 October 2013 07: 05 New
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    This morning I read on the Internet - "The first arrested in the case of embezzlement of property of the Ministry of Defense, businessman Maxim Zakutailo will be released on October 31, because the investigation has not been completed in a year," Kommersant newspaper writes on Friday with reference to the main military investigation department of the TFR. " - So much for the crisis of well-being in the country !!!
  28. SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 4 October 2013 08: 53 New
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    I’m personally proud that I am Russian, I love my homeland, but I can’t be proud of our country under the control of that pack now, well, I’m sorry, sorry.

    We have already written above about the case of the Ministry of Defense, how they steal at Sochi facilities, and in general throughout the country. And no one is to blame, everything gets away with it. What to be proud of, that the country which takes the leading place in oil production since 2010 has raised the cost of gasoline by 2 times !? And the salary for everyone is at the same level. Medicine is at zero, education has been swamped with its reforms, only a few can afford an apartment, taxes are growing all the time. That we have a "BUY-SELL" country and there is no production as such, and that there is and that is finished. And I just ran over the tops ...

    Be proud of the country and the people who live in it are different things! I am proud of the people who survive in such conditions, I love my homeland, but for the country under the guidance of tyrants stuffing pockets - my heart hurts, there are no other feelings. Who understands, thanks!
  29. bilgesez
    bilgesez 4 October 2013 18: 27 New
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    In general, it's time for people to arm themselves