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China began construction of an aircraft carrier on the basis of "own intellectual rights"

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China is planning to build the first aircraft carrier on the basis of its “own intellectual rights,” reports the shipbuilding group Jiangnan Shipyard Group.


According to him, this aircraft carrier will be much more powerful than the Japanese helicopter carrier (probably, the helicopter carrier DDH-7 Idzumo of the 183DDH project of 22 m length and displacement 248 thousand tons), demonstrated by 27 m, demonstrated by Military Parade.

The cost of the aircraft carrier will be 3 billion US dollars, and with all the equipment, air group and escort ships will reach 16 billion dollars.

Construction will be conducted at Changsin Island Shipyard (Shanghai), which was founded in 1865 year. This shipyard is one of the first large industrial enterprises in China.

1 August Google Earth published a satellite photo of the object, which is supposedly the hull of a new aircraft carrier.

A “large module” with a width of 51 m has been detected. This is probably a component of the modernized 001A project of the existing Liaoning aircraft carrier with a displacement of 55 ths. Tons.

Apparently, the propulsion system of the ship will be normal, X-NUMX-40 J-45 fighters (a copy of the Su-15K) can be based on its board.

The results of the analysis of satellite images show that the total production area of ​​the shipyard is 560 ha, it is about 3,6 km from the coastline.

On the territory of the shipyard there are three production lines, four dock stations, several covered and open moorings. The shipyard can build ships with a displacement of 80 thousand tons.

Earlier, representatives of the Chinese military authorities stated that the future of the PLA Navy is related to the development of aircraft carriers. It is reported that a production base has been created in the country for the construction of its own ships of this class, and a lot of preparatory work has been carried out.

“Jiangnan has all the capabilities to build an aircraft carrier with its own intellectual property rights,” said the head of the company.

Now only one aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, is listed in the PRC Navy. This is a former Soviet heavy aircraft carrying cruiser "Varyag", purchased from Ukraine and modernized by Chinese experts. Liaonin can accommodate up to 30 aircraft. On the aircraft carrier to date, successfully tested on the take-off and landing of deck fighters.

Recall that in the winter there was confirmation of the construction of nuclear aircraft carriers in China. In early May, it became known that the People's Liberation Army of China allocated a deck Aviation into the new formation of the Navy.
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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 2 October 2013 13: 48
    11
    Chatting is not tossing bags - while China itself has not built a single aircraft carrier. Wait and see, but take note.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 2 October 2013 14: 24
      18
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Chatting is not turning bags - until China has built a single aircraft carrier itself

      The phrase-based on "own intellectual rights" simply touches. lol
      1. honest jew
        honest jew 2 October 2013 14: 45
        -40 qualifying.
        The Russian mentality has not changed. There is no mention of it at all, but the achievements of others are always happy to get on !!! hi
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 2 October 2013 15: 03
          33
          Quote: honest Jew
          The Russian mentality has not changed. There is no mention of it at all, but the achievements of others are always happy to get on !!! hi

          What achievements do you call strangers? Chinese planes that are one in one DRY and MIGi? Or a Kalashnikov assault rifle, manufactured without a license by China without a license? Or the Chinese auto industry, most of which is banned for import into Europe? And it’s somehow ugly for you to speak so much about the people who saved you from Nazism. Or do you believe that the Americans saved you?
          1. 0255
            0255 2 October 2013 16: 17
            16
            Or do you believe that the Americans saved you?

            he believes that he was saved from Nazism by the Jews from "Inglorious Coves" led by Brad Peet, who set fire to the cinema with Hitler)))
            1. Shoma-1970
              Shoma-1970 2 October 2013 19: 55
              0
              They all forgot, a cycle of 100 years will pass and they will remember when some type of Bush comes to power in the USA and how Hitler purges, then they will remember those real saviors!
          2. IGS
            IGS 2 October 2013 19: 05
            11
            What did you attack him? Not worth it. No. He barked, and you were led. He sits now, etc. on the monitor, getting high from your reaction. Read it, spit .., sorry, put a "minus", and forgot.
            1. IGS
              IGS 2 October 2013 19: 35
              +2
              Then he thought ... maybe he’s not a pervert at all ... In the USA today all employees were left without attendants, so he wrote only one comment and wrote that it’s painful ... for no reason they’re used to working laughing I expect that other similar characters will subside on the forum winked They need to quickly solve the problem, otherwise the "human rights activists" will suddenly enter the EDRo wholesale laughing
            2. Shoma-1970
              Shoma-1970 2 October 2013 23: 04
              0
              It is truth too. He's not worth it!
          3. Shoma-1970
            Shoma-1970 2 October 2013 19: 48
            0
            that eccentric is always at the top, such anti-Russian makes statements! I think that he lives in Russia, receives our salary, unless of course he steals, speaks Russian, writes in Russian, and enjoys all the privileges to the maximum, and he still manages who would not comment on getting into a conversation and call us, normal lovers, their Great, powerful RUSSIA, and which can safely stand against the axis of evil (USA), say that they calm down! Let you (honest -... hat) earth rest in peace !!!
        2. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 2 October 2013 15: 25
          +2
          This is not a Russian mentality, now no one knows what the mentality of a Russian person should be, so you should not ascribe to something that most likely was not and is not. The behavior of even hundreds of representatives of a particular nationality cannot determine its mentality
        3. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 2 October 2013 15: 29
          11
          Comrade Shulman, isn’t your assumption too brave about the Russian mentality? No one would say anything if China didn’t behave absolutely shamelessly in terms of technology - copying everything insolently! Let it be so ... in the USSR technologies were also copied according to strategic necessity (otherwise we would have been destroyed immediately, literally), subsequently adding our own ideas, which often turned out to be a completely unique product, our own product! But you can’t forever !, in peacetime, copy (and only copy) other people's technologies, while brazenly violating copyrights. The Chinese never have their own ideas! This is what infuriates. For example, the Americans have even greater achievements, the Germans have, the French ... But mind you, nobody wants them. Do you feel the difference?
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 2 October 2013 22: 19
            +3
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            But you can’t forever !, in peacetime, copy (and only copy) other people's technologies, while brazenly violating copyrights. The Chinese never have their own ideas! This is what infuriates.

            The Chinese are copying everything, because they have no choice. I will say directly (if anyone is hurt, I apologize), so that original ideas appear in the country, you need to have smart people. And what do you want from the Chinese, when all of China, in the not distant (pre-communist) past, was sitting on opium without exception, for a certain number of years! Where did your brains come from ?? But they multiplied their nemery. And then the great helmsman wanted to quickly equip the aircraft with advanced weapons belay it doesn’t matter that there are no design schools at all!
            Therefore, there is nothing left for them but to copy and steal other people's military secrets hi
          2. Shoma-1970
            Shoma-1970 2 October 2013 23: 06
            0
            True said, zema.
          3. Shoma-1970
            Shoma-1970 2 October 2013 23: 11
            +1
            I want to note the magician why, China copies exactly everything Russian-USSR, for the USSR, as friendly countries at that time, allowed to copy everything except nuclear weapons. Although, perhaps they managed to steal the nuclear ones.
        4. Manager
          Manager 2 October 2013 15: 41
          +4
          Quote: Honest Jew
          but other people's achievements are always happy to crap !!!

          The thing is different. If we say that de France made a similar statement, it would have been believable. And from countries such as China it is hard to believe.
        5. Very old
          Very old 2 October 2013 16: 27
          10
          Itzik, would you recall how many Russian ideas go around the world, how many are plundered, stolen, how many your co-religionists have stolen ... You know it better than me
        6. Deniska
          Deniska 2 October 2013 16: 37
          +1
          Good afternoon? And why do you put the minuses to the article and JEW? Article as news !!! And about "crap" he is right If they say that they can build, then let them build not at our expense !!!
        7. Flooding
          Flooding 2 October 2013 17: 31
          0
          Quote: Honest Jew
          Russian mentality has not changed

          And what kind of mentality is this? Maybe Russian after all?
          Then I hasten to please you, the Jewish mentality has undergone enormous changes over the past centuries.
        8. Alexei
          Alexei 2 October 2013 17: 31
          +2
          Quote: Honest Jew
          There is no trace of it at home, but the achievements of others are always happy to get on !!!

          What are you talking about now? About something specific, or so, for a catchphrase? What an "honest" Jew turned up here, was rude and merged.
          1. Very old
            Very old 2 October 2013 18: 42
            +3
            Who knows where he got the cops from: from behind the bushes, from around the corner .. He made a byaku and back into the bushes, again around the corner
        9. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 2 October 2013 17: 54
          +1
          Quote: Honest Jew
          There is no trace of it at home, but the achievements of others are always happy to slip on

          With whom you will lead, from that you will be typed, you panim. And with your brother, the Russians had a lot to live.
          1. Shoma-1970
            Shoma-1970 2 October 2013 23: 16
            0
            for sure! with whom you will lead! good
        10. smirnov
          smirnov 2 October 2013 18: 25
          +1
          Honest Jew Do you know a proverb about a log in an eye that is not visible?
        11. Alex Danilov
          Alex Danilov 2 October 2013 18: 33
          +2
          Are you a brake? It's all Russian.
        12. Alex Danilov
          Alex Danilov 2 October 2013 18: 39
          +1
          This whole world enjoys Russim.
        13. Shoma-1970
          Shoma-1970 2 October 2013 19: 38
          +2
          Why should the Russian mentality be similar to your Jewish? hi
        14. Hauptam
          Hauptam 2 October 2013 20: 01
          0
          No thanks to you. But nothing the Chinese will cut off your eggs, too, do not run away - the dialectic.
        15. Vittt
          Vittt 2 October 2013 21: 07
          0
          The Jewish mentality has not changed either: Khai’s cucumbers are a bit immature, but they are late to the bazaar!
        16. Vittt
          Vittt 2 October 2013 21: 13
          0
          Or as my teacher said - it’s better to relax in the summer than to work in the winter.
        17. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 2 October 2013 23: 09
          0
          Quote: Honest Jew
          The ysky mentality has not changed. There is no mention of it at all, but the achievements of others are always happy to get on !!! hi

          I knew you were "just a Jew." By being an "honest Jew," this is the same as a Jew with a shovel.
      2. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 2 October 2013 16: 04
        +7
        How about the phrase "this aircraft carrier will be much more powerful than a Japanese helicopter carrier."?)
        It feels like this note was written by a drunk translator who had been drinking all night with the Chinese, and in the morning wrote this masterpiece.
      3. Alexei
        Alexei 2 October 2013 17: 25
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The phrase-based on "own intellectual rights" simply touches.

        They have "their own intellectual rights" only for noodles and sticks, tea, and some kind of kung fu.
        1. vahatak
          vahatak 2 October 2013 17: 54
          0
          but we don’t even remember such trifles as gunpowder and typography, right?
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 2 October 2013 22: 41
            0
            Quote: vahatak
            and little things like gunpowder and typography

            There was such a monk in ancient Europe, and his name was Bertold Schwartz. So you tell him that the Chinese invented gunpowder laughing He would love to give you anathema if he were alive now! As for typography, everything is also debatable. One indisputable thing remains is Chinese porcelain. In ancient Europe, they could not physically make it, since there were no raw materials for its production yes
            1. vahatak
              vahatak 4 October 2013 13: 27
              0
              Even the Pope cannot give me an anathema for the simple reason that I am not a Catholic. And China has had so many achievements in history that it’s simply impossible to list in one comment, and it makes no sense to do so. while everyone laughed at the Chinese, they overtook all their neighbors, including Russia, in all respects, except for the territory.
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 2 October 2013 22: 35
          -1
          Quote: Alexej
          They have "their own intellectual rights" only for noodles and sticks, tea, and some kind of kung fu.

          Japanese and Koreans can argue with you. The intellectual rights of the Chinese can only extend to the production of the Chinese themselves. Their number indicates (again) the large-capacity production of Chinese of dubious quality lol
      4. mcvdvlad
        mcvdvlad 2 October 2013 17: 41
        0
        oars forgot to include in the list
      5. Airman
        Airman 2 October 2013 19: 41
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72

        The phrase-based on "own intellectual rights" simply touches. lol

        What are you worried about in advance? Knowing the Chinese quality, this aircraft carrier will stand at the wall 90% of the time and "eliminate the identified" shortcomings. While they will be eliminated, the time for overhaul will come, etc.
      6. Quiet
        Quiet 2 October 2013 20: 04
        0
        40-45 J-15 fighters (copy of Su-27K) will be able to be based on its board.

        Everything was licked !!! Fighters are a copy, an aircraft carrier is also a copy. What the fuck are intellectual rights ??? What the fuck is the Chinese Leonov if the spacewalk is filmed in the hydroneviso pool !!!! am laughing negative
      7. starshina78
        starshina78 2 October 2013 20: 12
        +3
        Why not ? See how cars from China have changed. These are not the first ones that crumbled from a door strike at closing. Chinese cars are already sold in Europe and America, and this indicates increased quality. The statistics of recent days in Russia show that VAZ models began to lose to Chinese models. The people began to take the Chinese, preferring them to VAZ models. And this already says something. In China, the time of copying has ended, the time has come for reflection, that is, they began to produce not bad products on their own (not all of course). I saw this myself during a business trip from the factory.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 2 October 2013 22: 56
          -1
          Quote: starshina78
          In China, the time for copying has ended, the time has come for understanding,

          Buying Chinese goods is like playing Russian roulette! No confidence in quality or reliability. It would be nice not to be crippled in the treatment of this barozhl ..
        2. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 3 October 2013 01: 58
          +1
          Quote: starshina78
          Why not ? See how cars from China have changed. These are not the first ones that crumbled from a door strike at closing. Chinese cars are already sold in Europe and America, and this indicates increased quality. The statistics of recent days in Russia show that VAZ models began to lose to Chinese models. The people began to take the Chinese, preferring them to VAZ models. And this already says something. In China, the time of copying has ended, the time has come for reflection, that is, they began to produce not bad products on their own (not all of course). I saw this myself during a business trip from the factory.

          Qoros 3 is the first Chinese car to receive 5 stars for Euro NCAP safety.
      8. Siberian German
        Siberian German 3 October 2013 03: 50
        0
        YES HOW TO DRUM THE PHRASE IF IT'S FOR THE USE OF THE MOTHERLAND
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 2 October 2013 14: 31
      +7
      By trial and error, but moving forward ...
    3. Very old
      Very old 2 October 2013 16: 24
      +2
      But this is very interesting: "based on, etc." Even the title of the article is wonderful. They fought around the world, bought licenses here and there ... Mo-lo-d-tsy
    4. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 2 October 2013 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Chatting is not tossing bags - while China itself has not built a single aircraft carrier. Wait and see, but take note.

      Dear, China is not just “chatting”, but quietly buys up (where it is impossible to steal) technologies and arms itself at a pace that we never dreamed of. Believe me, they have enough perseverance and patience.
    5. Siberian German
      Siberian German 3 October 2013 03: 48
      0
      AND FORGET WHO WILL FAST BUILD THEY OR WE
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 3 October 2013 06: 40
        0
        It’s possible to score, they’re faster. Have you ever seen how the Chinese work? But I saw that they installed towers near our facility. So, when they started working 4 months later, they finished much earlier than us — although the scope of work was about the same
  2. fklj
    fklj 2 October 2013 13: 50
    14
    Chinese intellectual law - copying, theft of other people's ideas. I wonder how they invented gunpowder. Maybe they also copied from someone.
    1. vostok1982
      vostok1982 2 October 2013 15: 30
      0
      100% Of some small people that they conquered and turned into Han Chinese.
      1. rainufa
        rainufa 2 October 2013 16: 52
        +2
        Well then, they did not invent the compass, in your opinion, and they copy themselves ...
      2. vahatak
        vahatak 6 October 2013 13: 34
        0
        Are the Russians really?
  3. rugor
    rugor 2 October 2013 13: 51
    +5
    The cost of an aircraft carrier will be 3 billion US dollars,


    Judging by the price, he will not sail far. But this is not a reason for sarcasm. The Chinese can be congratulated on the initiative. It will only get better. sad
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 October 2013 23: 00
      +2
      Quote: rugor
      The Chinese can be congratulated on the initiative. It will only get better.

      The Chinese copied and studied world experience. This allowed them to save time for a decisive leap forward, to the second position in the world in industrial production, and the third in terms of shipbuilding. By the way, the information in the article about the shipyard is at variance with what the media give.
      “Under the new shipyard located in the Pudong area, an area of ​​2,1 million square meters was allocated. Of the 4 built, 2 large docks were created for ships with a displacement of over 300 thousand tons. The length and width of one of them are 480 and 106 m, respectively. It is currently the largest dock in China. Three production lines have capacities for the production of ships with a total tonnage of 4,5 mln tons per year, and by this indicator it now occupies the second place in the world, second only to the shipbuilding base of the South Korean Hyundai Corporation in Ulsan. China is currently the world's third largest shipbuilder after the Republic of Korea and Japan. The country, having in 2007 g. Capacities for the production of ships with a total tonnage of 19 million tons, produces 23 percent of the world's shipbuilding market. ”
      They, unlike us, have a production base, labor force and technology. Therefore, one can only envy and "begin to fear" such a neighbor.
  4. KCC
    KCC 2 October 2013 13: 51
    16
    I don’t feel happy about this. I would like to hear such news about our new aircraft carrier.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 2 October 2013 14: 16
      +7
      No one is happy. Just reasonable caution. China is definitely not our friend.
      Once again I remember Damansky, who became Chinese am .
      1. HollyGremlin
        HollyGremlin 2 October 2013 14: 56
        +3
        It is generally dangerous to be friends at the state level. But the Chinese aircraft carrier is unlikely to be directed against us, I am more worried about the land component. Most likely, he is just the answer to the new aircraft carrier component of Japan and the test of the pen to enter the "big" ocean, where the United States.
        If China really began to build a nuclear carrier, then there will be a dozen of them (China can afford it). Otherwise, money down the drain (In a single copy is always more expensive). So I really don’t want ours to be an aircraft carrier, it’s better to have a series of ships for the same price and faster (you can build at shipyards in different parts of the country).
      2. Nikaviz
        Nikaviz 2 October 2013 16: 55
        +2
        Fresh memory ...
      3. turan_up
        turan_up 2 October 2013 18: 41
        +3
        Damansky became Chinese due to the specifics of the border treaty - to divide in the middle of the border rivers. He used to be in our half. The course has changed - he has gone to the Chinese.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 October 2013 23: 42
      +1
      Quote: KCC
      I would like to hear such news about our new aircraft carrier.

      Unfortunately, there is nothing to please. But what a flood!
      "A model of a naval aircraft carrier complex with a displacement of about 80 thousand tons was presented at the International Maritime Defense Show, held in St. Petersburg in July 2013. The ship will receive two jumps and four catapults, and the aircraft carrier ship's air group will include up to 40 multipurpose combat aircraft: deck version of the T-50 fighter (PAK FA) and MiG-29K / KUB.The concept project provides for the installation of a non-nuclear power plant on an aircraft carrier, which
      will allow the ship to reach speeds of up to 30 knots, despite its large size and displacement. The design of a new aircraft carrier for the Russian Navy will be completed in 2018, four years later than the planned date. In the same year, it is planned to begin the construction of the ship, which will cost 400 billion rubles. It is expected that funding for this project will be included in the new arms program for the 2016-2025 years, which will be presented to the President of Russia in the 2015 year.
    3. vahatak
      vahatak 6 October 2013 13: 35
      0
      Somewhere by the end of the century you hear.
  5. ROA
    ROA 2 October 2013 13: 58
    +9
    China's own intellectual property rights ......
    This is at least ridiculous.
  6. andrei332809
    andrei332809 2 October 2013 14: 00
    +3
    Now the task will be "catch up and overtake China"?
    1. rainufa
      rainufa 2 October 2013 16: 56
      -1
      So Khrushchev knew that she would sell her mother, and ships, those powerful, father’s ...
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 October 2013 14: 01
    +1
    Well then let the well done build what can I say. (I hope he will not threaten Russia)
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 2 October 2013 14: 11
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I hope he will not threaten Russia

      Do not expect ...
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 2 October 2013 15: 34
        +7
        Quote: Chicot 1
        Do not expect ...

        And for those who doubt it, a quote from the commentary (from a colleague on the site Vitaly / nick "scientist"/ for 14:14) in the topic" Special forces battles. Secrets of battles near Lake Zhalanashkon "-
        What did not work in China during the Soviet era, they did in the late 90s. A section of the border with a length of almost 1000 km was shifted 50 km inland

        So think, dear admirers of the "great" China. And think with your head ...
        1. alone
          alone 2 October 2013 19: 22
          +4
          but it’s impossible to think with your head. The underestimation of everyone overshadows the mind. those Chinese who, under the leadership of Mao, fought sparrows, the whole world made fun of them, now they are the second economy in the world. yes, they copy ideas steal, but they work and raise the country. look at the modern Chinese army, they are arming their troops so fast. Aviation, Navy. Do you think they will trample against Japan? I don’t think. The United States is Japan. And the United States is a huge market for the Chinese economy. But they will not trample Russia either. The Strategic Missile Forces makes it impossible to think about it. But the stronger China is, the more they begin to speak from a dictatorship position. It’s an act of diplomacy. Tell me the area over the past 22 years that has moved away from China from China. I don’t think there is such a geographical name.

          P, S. I'm not trying to scare anyone here about China. But to be on the alert with them constantly. Painfully cunning
        2. vahatak
          vahatak 6 October 2013 13: 39
          0
          They adore not the great China, but the Communists. The USSR has disappeared from the political map, and in some minds it still exists, and here are amused by the achievements of China: there are none of them.
  8. Altona
    Altona 2 October 2013 14: 01
    +3
    If they want to build, they will build, they are stubborn in this regard ... One can argue about the fighting qualities of the ship, but the main thing is to start at least something, the shortcomings will be worked out over time ... But as for copying and intellectual rights, this is just that a case where, as they believe, the number of tested other people's ideas should go into the quality of their ...
  9. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 2 October 2013 14: 08
    +8
    No doubt. They will build it. Only on the basis of what such “Own intellectual rights” I honestly do not understand ...

    One would like to imagine this picture - a paper aircraft carrier under silk sails. On board are a compass, tea, a kite flying wing and an air defense system of fireworks ...
    Only in this case, the construction will be used exclusively and only Chinese "intellectual rights". But not more...
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 6 October 2013 13: 50
      0
      By your logic, the Russian aircraft carrier should be from a single piece of wood, cut down with an ax, painted in all sorts of bright colors and should be moved with the help of barge haulers. And on board there is a local conductor (I don’t have a compass), vodka (well, where can I go without it), no air wing, no air wing, and I don’t even know air defense ..... Maybe a balalaika?
  10. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 2 October 2013 14: 12
    +3
    Aircraft carrier construction?
    Does anyone still doubt China’s aggressive mood?
    They have already grabbed half of Africa. It is not otherwise that they will bring their interventionists to the coast to guard ...
    1. aleksandr1959
      aleksandr1959 2 October 2013 18: 08
      +3
      Half of Africa, this is YESTERDAY, and TODAY is an infusion and contract with all Wed Asia, investments in all projects related to transport, mining and processing of natural resources. and mechanical engineering - Uzbek, Turk ,, Kazakh., Kyrgyzstan. According to estimates, 60-75% more than Russian ....
      Weak spot of the Chinese, maintenance support. Frenzy over the past six months.

      Active exploration of the Arctic surpassed the efforts of everyone else combined. Plus trial investments in Ukraine. And not in anything, but in the agricultural sector and land rental. The volume is fantastic, even for China. And all this against the backdrop of the collapse of Russian-Ukrainian cooperation.
      If during the Second World War, the Urals were a reserve for the USSR, then where will the "Koshchei Immortal" egg be buried in the event of a Sino-Russian war? And the war will be 100%, not today or tomorrow, but it will be. Conflicts with India and Vietnam have shown that the game is not worth the candle and does not save for a long time.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 3 October 2013 11: 30
        +1
        Yes yes yes ... that's all true.
        plus, the Chinese are actively working in the IT field, and this is information, and information is a weapon worse than missiles sometimes ...
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man 2 October 2013 20: 18
      0
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      Does anyone still doubt China’s aggressive mood?

      China does not need aircraft carriers for aggression against Russia.
      So, let them build, if they decided, well done, America’s extra bolt in the ass.
      But will it turn out or not, we will see that Moscow was not built right away either
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 3 October 2013 11: 28
        0
        I didn’t mean specifically Russia.
        but America or not America, they will begin to screw the bolts, we don’t know
  11. Stiletto
    Stiletto 2 October 2013 14: 13
    +2
    Something I did not find in the article an answer to the question: and who the Chinese have communicated with "their own intellectual rights" ?! what
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 2 October 2013 14: 47
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      and the "own intellectual rights" the Chinese have communicated with ?!

      And all gradually and slowly ... wink As they say - with the world on a thread and a naked loop ... well, that is, a shirt ...
    2. Very old
      Very old 2 October 2013 16: 30
      +1
      White light is great. With the world, in theory, the Chinese aircraft carrier
      1. lilit.193
        lilit.193 2 October 2013 17: 27
        0
        Quote: Very old
        With the world in theory, the Chinese aircraft carrier

        Yes of course. We got the Soviet "Varyag", so they are trying to advertise everything from it as "their intellectual property".
  12. fero
    fero 2 October 2013 14: 14
    +2
    Apparently, the power plant of the ship will be ordinary, 40-45 J-15 fighters (copy of Su-27K) will be able to be based on its board.

    That is, there was not enough intellectual property rights for the NPP, as I understand it ... wassat
  13. intsurfer
    intsurfer 2 October 2013 14: 23
    +3
    Quote: andrei332809
    Now the task will be "catch up and overtake China"?

    have you already bypassed Portugal? What aircraft carriers, when ZOI-2014, World Cup-2018, VSM and other "grandiose" projects are not finished yet ?!
    1. HollyGremlin
      HollyGremlin 2 October 2013 15: 00
      +1
      By the way, ZOI-2014 costs about 1 aircraft carrier at a price, but you can cut it 10 times more, because ZOI-2014 does not float.
  14. kosopooz77
    kosopooz77 2 October 2013 14: 25
    0
    Quote: andrei332809
    Now the task will be "catch up and overtake China"?

    The President has long outlined a goal for "catching up and overtaking" -Portugal. Where are we to China ...
  15. specialist636
    specialist636 2 October 2013 14: 26
    +2
    There is no point in doubting that they will build. Moreover, I am sure that the aircraft carrier will meet its purpose.
    The question is different: why do they need it. It is clear that they have gained economic potential, geopolitical interests have arisen. In which region exactly? Taiwan? Disputed Islands? Africa? Persian Gulf Zone?
    It is clear that they are not in a position to threaten the United States and Russia over the next 15-20 years, but it is still important to know the vector of China’s military policy and how this will affect the alignment of international forces.
    Do not have time to develop strategic cooperation with the United States?
    1. Altona
      Altona 2 October 2013 17: 31
      +1
      How is this? What are these principles? Declare China a rogue state? Who will decide on this and whether it will be decided at all? (By morning, this Qatar will cease to exist at all) ... Second, ask the USA for landliz 2.0? So the United States is now in a financial ... stalemate situation ... Third, the United States will be asked no less than to build a military base in Khabarovsk, Chita or Blagoveshchensk ... Do we need it? And is such a reliable partner of the USA, with whom we have a bone in the throat?
  16. shitovmg
    shitovmg 2 October 2013 14: 28
    +1
    Let's see what direction we will go in this area ..? After the Mistral.
  17. Denis_Rossiya
    Denis_Rossiya 2 October 2013 14: 35
    +1
    The fact that they themselves began to build it may be good .... they will moderate the ardor of Japan and the United States in their region. That's when skills will be honed and a truly working platform will be made .... then it will be too late and fuss for our fleet ...
  18. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
    i_vam_ne_hvoratj 2 October 2013 14: 46
    +3
    Colleagues, I’m just thinking old-fashionedly tight ... Tell me, somebody name of a country that would not have sinned by copying technology !!! This is the lot of the country with Stone Age technologies (But even then there were exceptions.) One can argue endlessly about the capabilities of aircraft carrier groups. My opinion is that these opportunities are much worse than the capabilities of coast-based facilities.
  19. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 2 October 2013 15: 02
    -1
    Yes, India also type built its Aircraft Carrier and that ... Russia will finish building ... Let's see how it will turn out in China ???
  20. moremansf
    moremansf 2 October 2013 15: 51
    +6
    In the East Asian region, a maritime superpower is slowly emerging, which over time will begin to dictate its policy and this cannot be underestimated ... Chinese consumer goods are of course nonsense, but what is produced in factory conditions has long been of good quality ... yes, they copy, but who it hinders us ... we also suffered from this during the times of the USSR and nothing ... the Chinese fleet is developing and improving every day ... our Pacific fleet (surface) in its composition has RRC pr 1164 "Varyag" (1989, Flagship), TARKR pr 1144 "Admiral Lazarev" (1984, renovation), BOD "Admiral Panteleev" (1987), BOD "Marshal Shaposhnikov" (1983), BOD "Admiral Tributs" (1985), BOD "Admiral Vinogradov" (1988), Destroyers pr 956 - 4 pieces: "Bystry" (1989), "Burny" (1988, renovation), "Fearless" (1990, renovated), "Boevoy" (1986, conservation), BDK pr 775 - 5 pcs: " Peresvet "(1991)," BDK-98 "(1982)," Oslyabya "(1981)," Nikolay Vilkov "(1974, renovation)," Alexander Nikolaev "(1982, conservation), skr - 8 pcs., Minesweepers, combat boats and assistance body ships.
    The Chinese PLA Navy consists of: AV "Liaoning" (former "Varyag" pr 1143.5), EM URO - 28 units: "Shenzhen" (1999), "Guangzhou" (2004), "Wuhan" (2004), " Lanzhou "(2004)," Haikou "(2005)," Harbin "(1994)," Qingdao "(1996)," Shenyang "(2006)," Shijiazhuang "(2007)," Yinchuan "(1974)," Xining "(1974)," Nanjing "(1976)," Hefei "(1981)," Chongqing "(1973)," Zunyi "(1973)," Nanchang "(1975)," Guilin "(1985)," Changsha " (1982), "Nanking" (1974), "Kaifeng" (1980), "Dalian" (1980), "Zhanjiang" (1991), "Zhuhai" (1991), "Hangzhou" (1999), "Fuzhou" ( 2001), Taizhou (2005), Ningbo (2006 - the last 4 were built in the Russian Federation, project 965E and etc. 956EM), frigates - 52 units, minesweepers - 22 units, UDKV - 3 units 2007, 2011, 2012 buildings (1000 marines, 50 vehicles, 4 helicopters, 4 landing boats), landing ships - 84 pcs., missile boats - 83 pcs., patrol boats - 77 pcs. ... the numbers are unfortunately not in our favor, although they are already outdated ...
  21. moremansf
    moremansf 2 October 2013 15: 51
    +4
    The Chinese Navy is also showing interest in the Russian Project 1232.2 multi-purpose hovercraft (MDKVP). According to some sources, an order was planned for six to eight ships of this type in Ukraine. However, only four were actually ordered (two of them should be built in China). As a result, a small scandal arose between Moscow and Kiev due to copyright infringement. Some experts believe that the claims of Russia in this case are insolvent, since all the construction documentation for this MDKVP is at the Feodosiysky FPO More factory (where such ships were built and can be built) and after the collapse of the USSR became the property of Ukraine without any conditions. http://vpk-news.ru/articles/8918
    Russia has now ceased to be a strong maritime power, thanks to the policy pursued by the country's leadership in the 90s, then most of the surface fleet went under the knife, to please "our American friends" and, as always with us, no one will answer for this and now won't answer ...
    China knows how to work and the fight against corruption is going on much harder despite the ranks and ranks ... Undoubtedly, China's shipbuilding industry has mastered many technologies. Chinese shipbuilders are still completely unable to produce, even under a license, offshore gas turbines, large steam turbines and high-pressure boilers for AB class warships. But the most unpleasant for the Chinese - besides ballistic missiles, they do not have their own high-quality models of naval weapons and weapons. Those that are available are copies created with a lag of 10-15 years, with worse performance than the originals. The Chinese Navy, for example, lacks automatic artillery shells of all calibers, torpedoes and mines of its own design.
    Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/8918
    I think that soon China will also master these technologies and this fact cannot be underestimated in the current conditions ...
    1. Very old
      Very old 2 October 2013 16: 32
      +3
      Andrey, don’t tell, otherwise our hoopoes will sell it. How aluminum spoons were sold
    2. Altona
      Altona 2 October 2013 17: 41
      +1
      They will buy from the neutrals ... the Swiss of the same or the Swedes, and do not care for the frost ... Money is the sea ...
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 2 October 2013 16: 00
    +3
    How much percent of Chinese intellectual law will already be visible in a year, when the body contours appear.
    Create an aircraft carrier from scratch .......? .......... clearly got excited, although no one claims that this is Hummer
  23. Alikovo
    Alikovo 2 October 2013 16: 17
    +1
    funny sounds. all the current armament of China is a copy of Soviet and Russian weapons.
  24. Committee
    Committee 2 October 2013 16: 28
    0
    Rather, he will have "police" functions - either protecting economic interests or confronting Japan.
    1. vahatak
      vahatak 6 October 2013 14: 02
      0
      Quote: Committee
      Rather, he will have "police" functions - either protecting economic interests or confronting Japan.

      Police functions - this is when the priviva of its own population, and the protection of interests and opposition to Japan are just the most serious goals.
  25. tennis
    tennis 2 October 2013 16: 52
    0
    Quote: specialist636
    Do not have time to develop strategic cooperation with the United States?


    In the 90s it was already developed and developed. Nato overlaid on all sides like rabbits.
  26. intsurfer
    intsurfer 2 October 2013 17: 04
    +5
    Quote: Alikovo
    funny sounds. all the current armament of China is a copy of Soviet and Russian weapons.

    not so long ago they copied processors for servers, and now they are making their own.
  27. Algor73
    Algor73 2 October 2013 17: 24
    +4
    Maybe someone is funny about "their own intellectual rights", but China is building planes, and tanks, and ships, and has started to build an aircraft carrier. Russia is also building, but now India, then China, then Vietnam, then God knows who else. America is already slowly abandoning its status of the first superpower by its actions. Who will claim?
  28. polkownik1
    polkownik1 2 October 2013 17: 32
    +3
    The main result of the work of the defense complex of any state is victory in the war! And it makes no difference how and what kind of weapon this complex created, if this weapon contributed to the victory. In war, they do not throw patents at each other and do not sue each other ... But it would not hurt us to attend to an increase in the level of secrecy of our developments and stop selling new products. "Effective managers", of course, would not care if there was a profit. But where are the Ministry of Defense and the FSB ??? Where is the defense committee? Are they covering for "effective managers"?
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 2 October 2013 18: 41
      0
      You say correctly. Russia in general needs to calmly arm itself to the teeth and strengthen its military bases in Kakaz, in the east, and in front of NATO. And economically rise and put the whole country in order.
  29. Sergey47
    Sergey47 2 October 2013 18: 05
    0
    If they set a goal, do not hesitate to build it very quickly. Unlike our thieves in uniforms and without them. This is the difference between their state machine and ours. Apparently their managers are not so effective. And the pill in the form of the death penalty helps a lot.
  30. voliador
    voliador 2 October 2013 18: 39
    -1
    The Varangians were thoroughly studied, plus intelligence from scramers or paddlers which one hundred pounds were found out. It is much cheaper than carrying out your R&D.
  31. turan_up
    turan_up 2 October 2013 18: 44
    +1
    An aircraft carrier is definitely a stone in the United States vegetable garden. If China was preparing for a war with Russia, it would not have been engaged in this nonsense. An aircraft carrier is a sign of a global superpower. It seems to me that while we do not dispute this status with China, we will not have big problems with it. Let the Americans understand ..
  32. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 October 2013 19: 04
    0
    Quote: Chicot 1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I hope he will not threaten Russia

    Do not expect ...

    Well, dear, we don’t need to scare us with China .. (I just noticed that the Chinese are trying to turn the East to the Chinese, they will conquer you, pull the troops there, etc.)))) We know (at the genetic level) where the real threat comes from .. .. (and they will build an aircraft carrier if that helps Russia ...)
  33. spirit
    spirit 2 October 2013 19: 06
    0
    Yeah, the Europeans didn’t wash their hands before the Crusades)))) and the east was the center of the world! But everything changed upside down. The centers of power in the world are destined to change from time to time, so laugh on)
  34. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 2 October 2013 20: 01
    -2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The phrase-based on "own intellectual rights" simply touches.

    It should be understood as: they stole it all over the world, stole it there, and the result of "own intellectual rights" is just a polar fox ...
  35. andruha70
    andruha70 2 October 2013 20: 14
    -2
    China began construction of an aircraft carrier on the basis of "own intellectual rights"
    again, a new joke or something? laughing
  36. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 3 October 2013 01: 13
    +3
    I did not want to get involved, but apparently the level of sarcasm exceeded the critical level. So, in the military field patents for inventions are very rare: state secrets, however. It’s not about banners.
    With the help of the Rosenbergs, we saved years in creating our own bomb. BUT! We enriched uranium by gas diffusion using centrifuges, and not as amers, whose construction of the plant cost 9 billion of those post-war gold circulation dollars. Then, before the collapse, we had 80 technologies that we never even dreamed of striped. Everyone knows the story of the B-29 (Tu-4), which JV Stalin simply ordered to copy and that’s it. And Fow-2, Brown? But then Korolev was the first to launch a satellite and man into space. So China is not original in this regard. This is an international practice: to slam an idea and remake it for yourself. Apparently, therefore, our Tu-160 and B-1, F-22 and PAK FA are somehow suspiciously similar. But for the filling - it depends on the level of development of fundamental and applied science, as well as state technologies. Powder metallurgy, crystallography, etc. But, amers still can not grow blades of aircraft turbines from a solution of titanium salts. There is still much to be remembered, but the essence is the same: the country's defense does not know any prohibitions on other people's secrets that would not work to strengthen it. Therefore, the Chinese diaspora drags these secrets from where this is possible and impossible without a twinge of conscience. The copy path is also not the know-how of the Chinese. But recently, they have been walking this way very quickly for decades in the development of their science, R&D. In the same way, only buying up patents, Japan rushed forward in the 70 of the 20 century. Now it remains only to hope that the Celestial Empire will master for a long time what it did from other people's ideas without suffering them in the throes of creativity and sleepless nights of engineers and designers. For! Now the devils are hiding in technology: tenths, hundredths of a degree, millibars, the duration of the irradiation pulse during hardening, cutting, cold processing of the part. But nobody sells a sample of new equipment and weapons when they buy it. Therefore, they cannot build AL-31F in any way. Well, in general, somehow.
  37. Known who
    Known who 3 October 2013 03: 12
    0
    This is how a powerful army is slowly growing on most of the state border of Russia, capable of supplying without mobilizing troops more than the population of the Urals lives. And Russia has nothing to answer!
  38. intsurfer
    intsurfer 3 October 2013 04: 24
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    (And they will build an aircraft carrier if that helps Russia ...)

    It was in the press about China’s interest in the Arctic, which became navigable year-round. It is unlikely that Abramovich and other oligarchs will put their superyachts and fur coats across the aircraft carrier, which, as you know, is not sailing alone, but in company with submarines, etc.
  39. air wolf
    air wolf 3 October 2013 07: 43
    0
    An aircraft carrier, an aircraft carrier, but without a special aircraft it is a tin can. If there are aircraft with vertical take-off, it can be made from a tanker, container ship, etc. Airplanes with vertical take-off is the future. I am very sorry that they closed the Yak-141 program, because studied at the marine faculty of a helicopter school with the prospect of precisely this plane. We are all poher, sold and drunk ... Now I am building and launching commercial real estate. Shame on the country where the ready-made pilots are engaged in garbage.
    For information, the combat effectiveness of VTOL aircraft and conventional shipborne aircraft is 2-4 times higher and safer. Why do the Amerokos and F-35 get drunk, they understand this, but we Migi and Sushki adapted to the ship, and sold the Yak-141 to them ...
  40. i-gor63
    i-gor63 3 October 2013 16: 54
    -1
    Own intellectual rights, as in America in the first half of the 20th century, are either stolen, or taken out, or overbought, and not always for decent money.
  41. sergeymend
    sergeymend 4 October 2013 21: 45
    -1
    Quote: i-gor63
    Intellectual Property Rights

    based on the aircraft carrier "Liaoning"
  42. vahatak
    vahatak 6 October 2013 14: 13
    0
    The Chinese will build more than one aircraft carrier, and they don't care how some people understand the words "their own intellectual rights". It is better to build what you know how, and not to sit and shout "we do not want Mistrals, let our own something (I wonder what?) Do something."