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Afghan - past and present



We are no longer in Afghanistan. There is not even a country that sent us there. There are Americans now instead of us.

I came to Kandahar as a representative of a neighboring state. Nothing has changed in twenty years. At first sight. In fact, people's attitude towards us has changed.

- How do you live? - I asked one of the former famous warlords.

“We fight,” he answered shortly.

- Well, as an opponent? - I asked.

“Ah,” he waved his hand. - These are not men. They only know - rockets. Men do not fight like that. First a hundred rockets, then one soldier appears. You go on the field! One on one! Like a man! Show the power! I will tell you history. It was during the war with the shuravi. There were a hundred and fifty of us. We had to go to the valley. At the height of the road sat shuravi. We knew for sure - there are five of them there. We first went directly. I stuck a machine gun. We are bypassing. There, too, we are greeted by a machine gun. We are on three sides to the height. So we are poured from three sides with machine-gun fire. And so six days! Six days we can not break into the valley. Lost a hundred people. Finally, on the seventh day at the height ended ammo. We get to the height. There are five young soldiers. Each of them is twenty yet. Hungry, they had food five days ago. They did not drink for two days. Barely hold on. And look - wolves! Ready to tear alive! I looked at them, said: “Everything, shuravi. Read the prayer! I swear to all the saints - we were ready to tear them to pieces! And all five of them closed, held hands, and stood in a row. Men! We fed them, gave them drink, put up wounds, the next day gave them into their hands weaponand I said: “Shuravi, I would like my sons to be the same as you. Now go. ” And they left. But none of them looked back all the time! Here is the enemy! And you ask - Americans ...

And I thought: - there was a great country that had such sons. Which even the enemy admired.

And I said: “Kumandon (commander), but I, too, was in the same ranks. I also shot at the Afghans. ” He stood up, bowed, though slightly, only with his head, and said: “A man is tempered in battle. I see in your eyes you are a warrior. Otherwise you would never say such words! And you still ask - who are we fighting with today? ”
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  1. Nomad
    Nomad 1 October 2013 08: 51 New
    49
    I believe in the courage of our soldiers. Not that I believe, I know. But the Mujahideen released them alive, it is hard to believe.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 1 October 2013 09: 55 New
      21
      Quote: Nomad
      I believe in the courage of our soldiers. Not that I believe, I know. But the Mujahideen released them alive, it is hard to believe.

      As a rule, they were sent away to jails, the Badaber camp in Pakistan, but there they also managed to show themselves. It was not for nothing that the army of Pakistan opposed them.
      1. T-100
        T-100 1 October 2013 22: 12 New
        +7



        That's how they fought)))))
    2. 0255
      0255 1 October 2013 10: 25 New
      14
      I believe in the courage of our soldiers. Not that I believe, I know. But the Mujahideen released them alive, it is hard to believe.

      and savage mujahideen have no clue about honor, unlike the Americans
      1. honest jew
        honest jew 1 October 2013 14: 13 New
        -14
        I also managed to visit Afghanistan in 2009 as a specialist in insuring the personnel of the French army. Memories of shurawi among Afghans only about free food, electricity, gas, cars and trucks. And for Afghans, all strangers are ENEMIES, it doesn’t matter or Russian, American or Chinese !!!
        1. ekzorsist
          ekzorsist 1 October 2013 19: 51 New
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          No offense ... but the first time I meet an "honest Jew" ...
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 1 October 2013 19: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: ekzorsist
            but the first time I meet an "honest Jew" ..


            that's why you quoted it ?! laughing
            1. Volkolak
              Volkolak 2 October 2013 10: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Apollon
              that's why you quoted it ?!

              Respected! Your sarcasm is inappropriate. This is a purely technical error.
          2. Andrey57
            Andrey57 1 October 2013 21: 08 New
            +8
            The concept of a Jew and the concept of honest are not compatible at all if you yourself are not a Jew, but just a goy.
        2. Volkolak
          Volkolak 1 October 2013 20: 06 New
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          Quote: honest Jew
          as a personnel insurance specialist

          lol Maladtsa !!! Damn, what do an honest Jew do ?! Amused itit-pound, amused. laughing
        3. Bykov.
          Bykov. 2 October 2013 05: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: honest Jew
          ... And so for the Afghans all the strangers are ENEMIES, it doesn’t matter either Russian, American or Chinese !!!

          I agree with you ...
          ... Afghans recall shurawi only about free food, electricity, gas, cars and trucks ...
          Let them now compare everything that the Shuravi have done for them with the "generosity" of the Americans and other differences. That is, for them, perhaps only ammo and not sorry.
      2. Heccrbq .2
        Heccrbq .2 1 October 2013 14: 23 New
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        Your koment reminded me of the last interview of Rokhlin, he spoke either to the field commander or to the elder Chechen. He says: “Wild uneducated dense Mujahideen never hid behind the backs of children and women, unlike you, proud and independent Chechens.” Interview in an open access on YouTube.
    3. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 1 October 2013 12: 15 New
      +1
      And do not doubt the bola, but just believe.
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. aleshka
      aleshka 1 October 2013 20: 22 New
      +5
      as a participant in those events, beautifully, but not true!
    6. air wolf
      air wolf 2 October 2013 15: 01 New
      +1
      Eternal memory to them
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 1 October 2013 08: 59 New
    24
    The fact that the attitude towards Shuravi in ​​Afghanistan has changed is a fact. Just now they have someone to compare ...
    1. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 01: 31 New
      0
      Not. It’s just that they don’t break off from Americans for free - you need to earn money ...
  3. ed65b
    ed65b 1 October 2013 09: 26 New
    +8
    Everything happened in that war. Afghans are courageous people and I think they had or have the honor. In any case, this particular Mujahideen.
  4. poccinin
    poccinin 1 October 2013 09: 29 New
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    Mujahideen say. The Russians did not bomb the villages. They did not rob. nobody closed in the villages for the night. The Russians were honest and brave warriors, not like the Americans. But we also built houses at the hospital. Roads. The patients were treated. In general, they have something to compare.
    1. 0255
      0255 1 October 2013 11: 01 New
      +8
      Mujahideen say. The Russians did not bomb the villages. They did not rob. nobody closed in the villages for the night. The Russians were honest and brave warriors, not like the Americans. But we also built houses at the hospital. Roads. The patients were treated. In general, they have something to compare.

      at first they killed ours, but now they remember how good it was under the USSR?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 1 October 2013 11: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: 0255
        at first they killed ours, but now they remember how good it was under the USSR?

        Everything is relative. Remember the joke about the black and white strip?
      2. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 1 October 2013 12: 17 New
        +2
        Everything is relative...
        1. Gari
          Gari 1 October 2013 16: 07 New
          +4
          Quote: Egor.nic
          Everything is relative...


          And I thought: - there was a great country that had such sons. Which even the enemy admired.

          I can’t add anything !!!
    2. aleshka
      aleshka 1 October 2013 20: 30 New
      +7
      they didn’t rob, but they took what they needed! and bombed, how! at night, shelling the outposts from the village, in the afternoon they went off, they warned! after night, shelling again !! they called helicopters in the morning, four Mi-8s and two Crocodiles arrived! eights dropped three barrels of gasoline-lit! then stood in a circle and worked NURSami! stopped burning went combed. Cleanly. that's what happened!
      1. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 22: 42 New
        0
        10
        They just talked about it
    3. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 22: 41 New
      0
      the Russians didn’t bomb the villages ... nobody closed in the villages for the night. the Russians were honest

      Yeah ... Did you tell anyone this now?
      1. 0255
        0255 1 October 2013 23: 18 New
        +2
        the Russians didn’t bomb the villages ... nobody closed in the villages for the night. the Russians were honest

        Yeah ... Did you tell anyone this now?

        Compared to Americans, they didn’t bomb
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 23: 58 New
          +2
          Now explain how this is so?
          Once don’t pee ... s? (sorry for being rude) And ten times is how? But do not bother to calculate the summaries, if you dig the archives? And plus the fact that the reports were not included and which were not indicated in the reports ...
          Do not hypocrisy and hypocrisy.
          1. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 2 October 2013 11: 58 New
            0
            Maybe so. But for information, I inform you, cases when the pilots of the Su-24 intentionally unloaded their birds "into the milk" instead of settlements took place.
            1. 0255
              0255 2 October 2013 16: 00 New
              0
              Now explain how this is so?
              Once don’t pee ... s? (sorry for being rude) And ten times is how? But do not bother to calculate the summaries, if you dig the archives? And plus the fact that the reports were not included and which were not indicated in the reports ...
              Do not hypocrisy and hypocrisy.

              Maybe so. But for information, I inform you, cases when the pilots of the Su-24 intentionally unloaded their birds "into the milk" instead of settlements took place.

              Soviet aviation also bombed the Mujahideen, I do not argue, but not on such a scale as the NATO.
              1. Sergeantpro
                Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 17: 22 New
                +1
                So this is bad! The more losses the enemy suffered without entering into direct contact with him, the less resistance he will have to infantry units, which will reduce personnel losses.
              2. mikkado31
                mikkado31 4 October 2013 19: 38 New
                0
                And on what scale? Read ka

                http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/afgan/da/ada.html
            2. aleshka
              aleshka 2 October 2013 17: 32 New
              +2
              Su-24s flew mainly from the Union from the Karshi airfield, well, perhaps a poor knowledge of the area, was mistakenly bombed not for the purpose !!! but that specially past the village is fantastic !!! there were no such altruists among them! and my information will be more precise, two childhood friends flew navigators precisely on the Su-24 and flew from Karshi to Afghanistan !!! HELLO!
    4. mikkado31
      mikkado31 4 October 2013 19: 34 New
      0
      Not true. And the villages were destroyed by Grads, and whole valleys were leveled with “strategists” by carpet bombing. What difference does what some former mujahideen say? The fact is that the USSR lost 10 people in less than 15000 years in Afghanistan, and the Americans in only 13 years, only 2,200.

      It is not necessary to tear the vest on the chest in the war, but just destroy the enemy, and the more effective the better.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 5 October 2013 14: 08 New
        +1
        When Russia and China begin to support those against whom you are fighting, supply equipment, ammunition, weapons, pay premiums for the destruction of military and technical equipment, send instructors, start training militants in Pakistan and start deliveries of MANPADS, what will be your losses? Manages to lose 2.200 with virtually no organized resistance, the fight against poorly equipped, poorly trained people, this does not mean your "effectiveness", but your practical non-combat effectiveness.
  5. Muadipus
    Muadipus 1 October 2013 09: 38 New
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    So Shuravi not only fought for honor ... We built schools, hospitals. The constructed infrastructure is still, in many places, the last bastion of civilization. Locals could always seek medical help. my IMHO might not have been that war if it had not been paid by the United States.
  6. selbrat
    selbrat 1 October 2013 09: 41 New
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    I bow to the courage of our guys. But I would like our ours to start fighting like that too, "first 100 missiles, then one soldier appears." For people need to be protected.
  7. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 1 October 2013 10: 31 New
    +4
    100 missiles and war at a distance do not allow the soldier to become hardened. Comfortable warriors then refuse to fight if they did not bring toilet paper.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 1 October 2013 17: 03 New
      10
      In order to learn how to beat your hand well in the face, you do not need to substitute your ...
    2. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 22: 45 New
      +3
      Here it is not necessary about toilet paper, Coca-Cola, etc. An ordinary soldier sits on blocks and outposts for months with imported water and crap, with a shortage of power supplies, also kneads dirt, climb mountains and green ... You all the garbage that you write where you get from?
      1. Slavs
        Slavs 3 October 2013 21: 30 New
        -1
        Is this amers fucking connection and a deficiency of BP? And without water? I linger ...)
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 4 October 2013 01: 10 New
          +1
          Yes, no doubt. You do not have the opportunity to see on the ground, but you can easily communicate with the fighters who have returned from Afghanistan.
        2. mikkado31
          mikkado31 4 October 2013 19: 41 New
          +3
          It happened like that. A 2 liter bottle of water per day in 45 degrees of heat. Fortunately, many camelbacks took.
    3. atalef
      atalef 4 October 2013 07: 42 New
      +3
      100 missiles and war at a distance do not allow the soldier to be tempered.
      .
      and often die, you confuse a little bit of the notion that war is generally to win (and preferably with less loss) and not to temper the soldier, to bookmark - the doctrine.
      Comfortable warriors then refuse to fight if they did not bring toilet paper.

      in general, if a soldier is fed, drunk, and there is paper in the toilet, this will in no way interfere with the performance of a combat mission. I remember a friend (who served) at KFOR (in my opinion, this is in Yugoslavia as part of the UN, Pskov Airborne Division) He told me they had a push - a closed pit. a grid, and nearby on the basis of Amerovskaya normal toilets. So the question was who was running to whom to visit on a push? Because nothing could be picked up in this pit except for infection and dysentery. Are human conditions important for a soldier or does rubbing a finger strengthen morale?
    4. mikkado31
      mikkado31 4 October 2013 19: 39 New
      +3
      I spent a year in Iraq in the desert. (4th US Infantry Division) Normally fought. No need to hang noodles.
  8. Proud.
    Proud. 1 October 2013 10: 39 New
    +2
    Afghans have someone to compare.
    1. Strong
      Strong 1 October 2013 19: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Be proud.
      Afghans have someone to compare.


      Tin !!! I was expecting this video in the comments on such news.

      Looking at him, shaking. What a capacious language is Pashtun. The bearded man measuredly speaks two words in the original, the translator simultaneously famously shoots all five words of the translation, and even a tongue twister. Hardly time to translate.

      Diva daeshsi. Or the translation is completely different. How many of you here know the original language and can guarantee that the bearded man says what they translate? :)
      1. Proud.
        Proud. 2 October 2013 08: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Fuerte
        Tin !!!

        What is it?
        Quote: Fuerte
        How many of you here know the original language and can guarantee that the bearded man says what they translate? :)

        If you know, enlighten. Suggest not to believe this video? Even if it’s an agitation, a fake, using the authority of Rush Tudey. In this case, I’m glad to be deceived.
        1. Strong
          Strong 3 October 2013 19: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Be proud.
          If you know, enlighten. Suggest not to believe this video?


          The fact of the matter is that I do not know. And seeing a sharp discrepancy between the number of words of the original and the translation, I strongly doubt it. So I would like someone competent to dispel doubts. Having said - is this true or not.

          Or is Pashtun really so capacious that two or three words on it is almost a sentence in a Russian translation? :)
  9. ZIS
    ZIS 1 October 2013 11: 08 New
    +3
    It looks like a beautiful fairy tale, the guys have five days as a ghost ended, seven storm them, and the connection? and the command of FSUs ...? Or did they finally represent the entire contingent?
    1. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 1 October 2013 12: 20 New
      +9
      You better chew than talk ....
      1. O_RUS
        O_RUS 1 October 2013 22: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Egor.nic
        You better chew than talk ....


        will not chew voluntarily ... call ... mail for the honor to provide assistance
  10. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 1 October 2013 11: 09 New
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    Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ll say anyway, if it’s possible to flare a hundred missiles at the enemy and then clean them up, then why not? the generals didn’t understand. We can’t understand in any way that the soldier’s task is not to “perish for their homeland, but to make sure that the enemy perishes for their homeland.” But in general, let's give up modern weapons, arm our soldiers as Roman legionnaires with shields and swords and they will probably be generally super courageous.
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 1 October 2013 12: 08 New
      +8
      It’s not a question if missiles and drones only “militants” and not the entire population of the village.
      1. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 21: 36 New
        +1
        And do not tell me how many civilians zafigachili ours in the villages of artillery and "Grad", followed by stripping? No need to talk about humane and good us ...
    2. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 22: 48 New
      +1
      And you try to convey this bright thought to the "cheers-patriots" :)
    3. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 00: 03 New
      0
      life of a Russian soldier is more expensive than the opinion of the mujahideen


      I have always had ... the fact that spirits think of me and my colleagues (albeit not Afghan, but in the Caucasus): they are afraid, respected, despised, laugh ... Life is more expensive, in the end we were the last to laugh regardless of their opinion :)
  11. Stiletto
    Stiletto 1 October 2013 11: 15 New
    +3
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Maybe it’s not right, but I’ll still say if it’s possible to flare a hundred missiles at the enemy and then clean them up, then why not? the generals did not understand. We cannot understand in any way that the task of a soldier is not "to die for his homeland, but to make sure that the enemy perishes for his homeland."

    I agree with that, that's a plus!

    In general, let's give up modern weapons, arm our soldiers as Roman legionnaires with shields and swords and they will probably be generally super courageous.


    ... But this item, perhaps, should not be included in the state armaments program bully
  12. Nikvan
    Nikvan 1 October 2013 11: 33 New
    0
    Bit by bit, the greatness of the Motherland is gathered together.
  13. kostik1301
    kostik1301 1 October 2013 12: 32 New
    0
    And everything is known over time ... when who and how it was .....
  14. pawel57
    pawel57 1 October 2013 12: 42 New
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    [quote = ZIS] It looks like a beautiful fairy tale, the guys have five days as a ghost, they’ve stormed seven, and the connection? and the command of FSUs ...? Or are they finally the whole contingent and represented? [/ Quo
    At the end of 80, in Moscow, the AZLKE Palace, the writer Prokhanov met with warders in Afghanistan. The agenda, the failure of the leadership of the country to release our prisoners from the hands of spirits. The hall is small and was still sitting nearby. Prokhanov with long hair was not restrained, jerked his leg and I didn’t like it terribly. He talked about entire camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and that no one, neither the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, nor the Defense Ministry did not carry out any movements to release the prisoners. We could not believe it. The paratrooper officers criticized him. But he turned out to be right. My friend, the company’s political officer, was standing somewhere on the block. They cut out the outpost, he remained alive because the spirits simply did not find him sleeping at night. He walked two days before his own, turned gray at 23 years. Nevertheless, I doubt that after such losses our people were left alive. Pease ... spirit, they lived well at our expense and still earned extra money by killing our soldiers.
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 1 October 2013 20: 51 New
      +4
      cut outpost? so your friend doesn’t deserve anything except the tribunal! he was an officer, his duty was to organize the defense so that the outpost wasn’t cut out !!! we had a similar incident in November 1985! but there the outpost got into a competent ambush, and the officers were alive not left !!! three survived! two lightly wounded carried a third-heavy! like this!
      1. pawel57
        pawel57 1 October 2013 22: 34 New
        +2
        Do not talk. This is war. We also took warm spirits, if quietly.
        1. aleshka
          aleshka 2 October 2013 17: 26 New
          +1
          I don’t talk! Who are peasant spirits basically, they can and should be taken quietly, warmly! And there must be organization and discipline in the army! So your muddy politician!
    2. aleshka
      aleshka 1 October 2013 20: 55 New
      +1
      I forgot to add! Two months later, there was an operation under the beautiful name "Retribution"
  15. Bykov.
    Bykov. 1 October 2013 14: 12 New
    -8
    ... There is not even a country that sent us there ...

    I don’t understand that Russia is no longer on the world map?
    author, buy a normal globe !!!.
    1. Delta
      Delta 1 October 2013 14: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Bulls.
      I don’t understand that Russia is no longer on the world map?
      author, buy a normal globe !!!.


      the author had in mind the USSR
      1. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 2 October 2013 01: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Delta
        Quote: Bulls.
        I don’t understand that Russia is no longer on the world map?
        author, buy a normal globe !!!.


        the author had in mind the USSR


        the author is on the subject of American propaganda, using the difference in names

        in 1991, Russia itself was destroyed, which at that time was called the USSR, and our enemies know this very well, but we repeat the tale they created.
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 2 October 2013 05: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
          ... well, we are repeating the tale they created ...

          Fortunately, not everyone repeats these filthy "fairy tales" and not everyone forgot their past, or rather did not learn, thanks to the "storytellers" you mentioned are embarrassed, but continue to be proud of their Country and its past and present, which I’m actually glad to , for you and your kind!
      2. Bykov.
        Bykov. 2 October 2013 05: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Delta
        the author had in mind the USSR

        Yes, I perfectly understood what country the author had in mind, I just, unlike him and others like him, do not understand the difference between the USSR and Russia.
  16. George
    George 1 October 2013 14: 43 New
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    I advise everyone who doubtfully accepts the story to find the author’s site.

    Baglan’s criminal investigator, a golden man named Akram, showed me in the mountains a “Soviet police school.” He took aim at the stone 50 meters from the new Smith Wesson and hit. Then he aimed again and hit the same point.
    “They don’t teach like that anymore,” Akram sighed.
    The Soviet empire pursued a brilliant policy in poor countries, inviting foreign students to get an education free of charge. The calculation was simple: the first glass of vodka, the first girl, the first fight and the first friendship are not betrayed. Those who lived in Soviet hostels will forever remain friends of an incomprehensible country called the USSR.

    The answer to the question:
    “Why are we former enemies still loved in Afghanistan?” - was received from an ordinary person named Ahmad in a guest house in the town of Puli-Khumri. The man of the outgoing generation, who still spoke a little Russian, but at least explained himself in English, explained to me simply:
    “You fought bravely, you killed us, and then you sat down at the same table with us and drank vodka.” You never disdained us.
    When I approach an American here in Afghanistan, the first thing he does is point a gun at me. He is afraid of me and despises me. He will never drink with me and will not share bread with me. Because for him I am a lower being.
    And the Russian was a brother. Even when he killed.

    "Afghan ...", however, like other things, first of all - this is a literary work. And like any other literary work, it does not claim to narrate a historical fact. But personally, I had heard something similar from the Afghan field commanders.Abdujabor Abdujalilov.
    I thank the author.
    1. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 22: 58 New
      +2
      Here again ... So what is written there ?!
      And marins, and landing and guys from specialists also sit down with them and drink (only viskar already), and treat each other. And to send weapons is normal in a war. Somehow, no one looked at the fact that the schools started working there again, and they teach literacy and medical support ... That ours, that the Americans, do not make a difference, it’s all served differently. Those specialists in psychological warfare are enough and analysts work for a reason. So a couple of populist stories and a crookedly translated video do not at all show what is really happening there ...
      An adult is the same. What is so naive?)))
      1. George
        George 2 October 2013 00: 38 New
        0
        As I understand it, you did not go in and read?
        Read at least the last paragraph of my post.
  17. zeksus
    zeksus 1 October 2013 18: 51 New
    +4
    GREAT RUSSIAN PEOPLE !!!! HE WAS, IS AND WILL BE SUCH !!!!
  18. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 1 October 2013 20: 15 New
    +2
    Article "+"! Pride takes for such our soldiers and bitterness stands up for the collapse of the country where such soldiers grew up !!!
  19. zinander
    zinander 1 October 2013 20: 23 New
    -1
    Americans will not fight without cola and rolls, what is there for two days without water ..
    1. bwo
      bwo 1 October 2013 21: 03 New
      -1
      Do not underestimate the potential enemy.
      Throw in hats. We will beat with little blood on foreign territory. Remember.
      And the Germans gave a rustle without a warm toilet.
    2. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 23: 01 New
      +2
      And do you personally know at least one of the American military ?!
      I myself will answer: No "And if" no ", then you don’t need to talk about what you don’t know.
    3. mikkado31
      mikkado31 4 October 2013 19: 45 New
      +1
      We fought and are fighting. We sat on dry rations for 3 months. Fine.
  20. Black
    Black 1 October 2013 20: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: GEORGE
    The Soviet empire pursued a brilliant policy in poor countries, inviting foreign students to get an education free of charge. The calculation was simple: the first glass of vodka, the first girl, the first fight and the first friendship are not betrayed. Those who lived in Soviet hostels will forever remain friends of an incomprehensible country called the USSR.


    Amazingly accurate words.
    I believe that the time will come and everything will return to their places.

    Good note.
    And spirits, they, and after 30 years, spirits! I see pakol - fists clench!
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 1 October 2013 20: 37 New
      +5
      I hear Tajik speech, it’s still enraging! And I didn’t see such furry Mujahideen for a year and a half, and so they put a hundred people in open attacks, I don’t believe. AUTHOR, no offense!
  21. specialist636
    specialist636 1 October 2013 21: 02 New
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    The article is somehow primitive. At the level of the Jewish "Professor." The people make fun of his articles, and here ours in the same vein. It should be a shame to go down to the Israelites.
    I fought in Afghanistan from 1985 to 1987 as a company commander, and, unlike many commentators, I have an idea of ​​real events in that period.
    Yes, some galoshes, fuel and food came from the USSR, but these were molecules in space. And there was no point in helping the gigolos.
    First of all, you need to understand why we were introduced there. No, I'm not talking about the Zapolitovskaya weighted cranberries and official propaganda about helping the fraternal people from the members of the Politburo who have survived from the mind.
    With mind, then they were all right. We REALLY walked to the oil fields of the Persian Gulf and Afghanistan was just a transit country.
    The second group was to enter through Iran. It's a secret? For whom? For Russians and all those who lived in the USSR, but not for the West.
    Oil is the blood of the Earth. The one who controls it and determines the world order. Then Gorbachev came and led us out of Afghanistan. Bush knocked out the Saudis to bring down the price of oil and .... the USSR fell apart. The economy could not stand it. What do you think would happen if we controlled the oil fields in Iran and the Persian Gulf?
    Did Afghans die in that war? Sure. No one killed specifically, but it’s hard for Grad or the air force to figure out who lives in the village.
    And what do you think, is there an opportunity to choose a target during a battle in a village? A little that moved - a grenade flew.
    You can not believe the spirits. It’s easy to respect them. Especially after what they did with our prisoners. I assure you, we also did not stand on ceremony with their prisoners. And when the spirits of their comrades fell, they respected us very much, because they were afraid of our immense imagination, next to which their savagery looked like an innocent children's game of a rat))))))))). We always paid them with hard currency, and not only militants got it. THIS IS A WAR! It has its own laws
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 2 October 2013 04: 42 New
      +3
      I read your comment. Sorry, but this is nonsense of a young dunce, a comrade who did not understand anything at that time, and did not understand, unfortunately, having lived half his life to this day.
      It is full of hope that as comrades, you were in your place.

      I will not describe the reasons for the entry of troops into Afghanistan - this is a long conversation that requires a lot of facts and documents - the format of comments simply does not allow this. But these reasons have nothing to do with the speculations you cited.

      As for whether the USSR helped Afghanistan or not, I don’t understand in which hole you spent the 2 of the year in Afghanistan if you did not see this help and do not know.
      Of course, they didn’t take food there to feed the Afghans (although there were isolated cases of such assistance on a large scale), but the aid went in a huge flow. Starting from building infrastructure and ending with training personnel in all areas of life, from teachers to engineers and doctors.
      A significant part of the Afghans in general received the first qualified medical aid in their lives precisely from Soviet physicians, both civilian and military.

      Finally, the rest of the commentators, admiring the nobility and military honor of Shuravi.
      I remember how senior officers from the Union discussed something in the module, then gave the task to the old man to bring an Afghan man who rode on a donkey three hundred meters from the location, at the bottom of the valley. Without thinking twice, the queue in front of the donkey attracted attention and yelled - go, they say, here, bobo ..
      A medical colonel (?) Came out from among those who arrived and gave the old man an ear: “How now do you order a conversation with him if you, bitch, call him like a dog?” And how do you want to calmly serve if you behave like that? If you are an officer, intelligence officer, how do you work with the population?

      So I don’t know who was drinking vodka with the brothers and they were drinking with a passion, but not with spirits. And even that - senior officers drank with their superiors. To maintain, so to speak, "the spirit of cooperation and combat fraternity"
      Helped, built, taught, and very many of the Soviet - sincerely worried!
      And at the same time they fought, hated, brutally and often meaninglessly suppressing the population ..
      Two sides of the same coin. "From the grateful Afghan people."
      1. specialist636
        specialist636 2 October 2013 07: 02 New
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        Of course, I'm sorry, because I’ve seen a lot of shnikov like you))))
        Clown, you yourself were in Afghanistan? And if he was in what position? Answer - I really want to have fun
        1. Generalissimus
          Generalissimus 2 October 2013 13: 46 New
          +2
          Hmm .. and your vocabulary has remained at the same level since those times - young boob.
          What to argue with you? You have one argument - the "clown". For more brains have not gained in almost 30 years. I think, and how comrades (if true) - this is your ceiling.

          It’s funny to read your theories about Iran and oil, as the reasons for entering Afghanistan ..
          Where I was and what I was doing - I have no desire to tell you - a priori the feed will not be in the horse. Komroty You pontoon battalion. From the word Ponte.
          Be healthy.
          1. specialist636
            specialist636 2 October 2013 13: 52 New
            -1
            Was there a secret mission?)))))))) Well, where do these come from on the forum?
            1. Generalissimus
              Generalissimus 2 October 2013 14: 00 New
              +2
              I think that you just started nonsense from spite. Indeed, where do such things come from?
              And what about secret missions? Where do your fantasies take you? I just don’t have the habit of wagging around like you, especially about my personal affairs. Who are you to pour out before you? Yes, and to prove my authority is incomprehensible to anyone and it is not clear why - I would have looked like an idiot.
              It seems to me more and more that you are an ordinary young asshole who has grown his age and is in awe of his past military affairs.
              Invented lines of what and it seems to you that you look solid - “We REALLY walked to the Persian Gulf oil fields and Afghanistan was just a transit country.
              The second group was to enter through Iran. It's a secret? For whom? For Russians and all those who lived in the USSR, but not for the West.
              Oil is the blood of the Earth. The one who controls it and determines the world order. Then Gorbachev came and led us out of Afghanistan. Bush knocked out the Saudis to bring down the price of oil and .... the USSR fell apart. The economy could not stand it. What do you think would happen if we controlled the oil fields in Iran and the Persian Gulf? "

              Where did the firewood come from? Rezun read?
              Madhouse. Look funny. That's all.
              1. specialist636
                specialist636 2 October 2013 14: 36 New
                -1
                Proletarian, go and sweep the street or rake manure)))))))
                1. Generalissimus
                  Generalissimus 2 October 2013 14: 39 New
                  +2
                  Not far you, young man. All that you have proven with your pearls.
                  Hmm ..
                  1. specialist636
                    specialist636 2 October 2013 14: 58 New
                    0
                    Of course))))) You imagined yourself a Generalissimo, and they showed you that your brains work at the level of a janitor. That’s all. You think primitively, but you want to feel like a man. Humble yourself
      2. aleshka
        aleshka 2 October 2013 15: 38 New
        0
        listen to "Kutuzov" and we are all here, from the ordinary to the comrade, who do not understand and do not drink modules with a plunger !!! You’re the one Generalissimo, most likely the political officer is disguised !! FUFLO!
        1. specialist636
          specialist636 2 October 2013 15: 58 New
          0
          And I also immediately thought that he was a political officer, but then I came to the conclusion that this is a banal freethinker (civilian).
          At the expense of assistance to the Afghans. My company controlled a section of the road from Kabul to the Bagram turn, and I knew very well what was being carried along the road. There was not all sorts of stuff for these freaks and could not be. Yes, the company Afghan-Soviet transport company was carrying something, but it was crumbs.
          To drink with a ceranda? Yes, I would be pulled out right away. Not a single normal officer will drink or eat with these macaques. It was just necessary to look at their unsanitary conditions.
          At the expense of mutual respect. Why respect them? For living like animals? For the fact that they wanted to break us with their bestial cruelty?
          Our task there was one: GO BACK. And the more Alphonse we put there, the sooner we will return.
          And I always hated the political leaders. Our brigade has drunk to delirium tremens from idleness
  22. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 21: 33 New
    +5
    Presumably, the author of a low opinion of the mental abilities of readers.
    The most warring army in the world does not know how to fight - absolute stupidity. Why should they show miracles of heroism and lose soldiers (as we often practiced) when they can achieve the same result without coming into direct contact. The heroism of some is determined by the illiteracy and incompetence of others. No need to pass off poverty as an ability to fight. With courage and courage, we compensate for the lack of competent commanders, the lack of new equipment, communications, the lack of equipment, the lack of logistics, etc. Two Caucasian campaigns I observed exactly this personally and experienced it myself.
    1. i.xxx-1971
      i.xxx-1971 17 November 2013 16: 33 New
      0
      The most warring country in the world in its entire history has not won a single war. I mean the military component. Their only achievement is His Majesty the dollar. The US personally did not communicate with the military, but communicated with non-military. Since the people and the army are one, we can conclude. The conclusion is disappointing: intellectual squalor, self-centeredness and hypertrophied megalomania. There is no core in the average American. These are not people, but humanoid creatures living only in order to eat and multiply. Their leaders, the founding fathers, freed them from such chimeras as conscience and compassion. And most importantly - they are, by definition, not capable of feat, even simply of risk, unless this happens by chance. Therefore, Hollywood hysterically stamps all kinds of superheroes, betmans and tough nuts, so in every yard, every sartier flies an American flag. To at least somehow fill the vacuum of patriotism in the society of total egoists. Woe to the country in need of heroes! Such a people and such an army can only defeat themselves, which I hope will happen soon.
      1. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 18 November 2013 03: 45 New
        0
        The empty blah blah blah. America is fighting not to win, but to control, hack and launder money. Whatever you would like to crap the former "probable enemy", but in fact the US Army is the most prepared and equipped. After serving 10 years, I am fully aware that today we are far behind. And your thread is an attempt to inflate a frog through a straw. We have many well-trained military men, but to the level of the US Army as a whole, we are still very, very far away.
  23. Glory333
    Glory333 1 October 2013 22: 07 New
    0
    The USSR war in Afghanistan was ideologically motivated, ours wanted to build socialism in a feudal society, this was possible if we recall the experience of the Central Asian republics and the fact that some Afghans were on our side, but because of strong opposition from the West, neighboring medieval states and of course Gorbi’s betrayal with accomplices - the Afghan campaign was lost.
    The US war in Afghanistan is a purely colonial war for resources, which is why Afghans see the big difference between the USSR and the USA.
    1. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 1 October 2013 22: 36 New
      +2
      Figs there are few resources, and those that are there will not pay back the production and logistics costs. But for us (Russia), the US presence in Afghanistan is very beneficial. A large number of active militants are drawn there, radical Islamists, extremists and others are now busy. With the departure of the coalition, all this will spread to Central Asia and Kyrgyzstan, and partially capture Kazakhstan. And these are our southern borders. Plus in the Caucasus, the number will increase ...
  24. Basarev
    Basarev 1 October 2013 22: 28 New
    0
    And yet we will not return. To return is the destiny of the weak
  25. Captain45
    Captain45 1 October 2013 22: 56 New
    +1
    Maybe not exactly in the subject of the article, but yesterday flew away from Domodedovo, went up to the second floor in the 2 exit area and was stunned - almost the entire second floor was occupied by bearded men in white shirts and harem pants and women, wrapped in shawls and trousers. I thought in Kuwait or the Emirates got there. Even a hand on a machine gun began to look for cabaret. Truly Maskvabad. It’s completely Mujahideen-Wahhabis. I don’t treat everyone like that, but in such quantity and clothing emphasizing national religious affiliation. No, fuck, fuck, better I to your tundra. At least zd Camping them yet, and I think there are not predviditsya.Hotya individual predposylki.no while coping here.
  26. Lissa
    Lissa 2 October 2013 00: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Fuerte
    Looking at him, shaking. What a capacious language is Pashtun. The bearded man measuredly speaks two words in the original, the translator simultaneously famously shoots all five words of the translation, and even a tongue twister. Hardly time to translate.

    Diva daeshsi. Or the translation is completely different. How many of you here know the original language and can guarantee that the bearded man says what they translate? :)



    It seems that their language is really capacious)) The Russian translation coincides with the English.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOPLnvEXTiU
  27. Olga.ru
    Olga.ru 2 October 2013 00: 29 New
    0
    Good story
  28. Generalissimus
    Generalissimus 2 October 2013 04: 41 New
    +1
    I read your comment. Sorry, but this is nonsense of a young bastard, a comrade who didn’t understand anything at that time and didn’t understand, having lived half his life to this day.
    It is full of hope that as comrades, you were in your place.

    I will not describe the reasons for the entry of troops into Afghanistan - this is a long conversation that requires a lot of facts and documents - the format of comments simply does not allow this. But these reasons have nothing to do with the speculations you cited.

    As for whether the USSR helped Afghanistan or not, I don’t understand in which hole you spent the 2 of the year in Afghanistan if you did not see this help and do not know.
    Of course, they didn’t take food there to feed the Afghans (although there were isolated cases of such assistance on a large scale), but the aid went in a huge flow. Starting from building infrastructure and ending with training personnel in all areas of life, from teachers to engineers and doctors.
    A significant part of the Afghans in general received the first qualified medical aid in their lives precisely from Soviet physicians, both civilian and military.

    Finally, the rest of the commentators, admiring the nobility and military honor of Shuravi.
    I remember how senior officers from the Union discussed something in the module, then gave the task to the old man to bring an Afghan man who rode on a donkey three hundred meters from the location, at the bottom of the valley. Without thinking twice, the queue in front of the donkey attracted attention and yelled - go, they say, here, bobo ..
    A medical colonel (?) Came out from among those who arrived and gave the old man an ear: “How now do you order a conversation with him if you, bitch, call him like a dog?” And how do you want to calmly serve if you behave like that?

    So I don’t know who was drinking vodka with the brothers and they were drinking with a passion, but not with spirits.
    Helped, built, taught, and very many of the Soviet - sincerely worried!
    And at the same time they fought, hated, brutally and often meaninglessly suppressing the population ..
    Two sides of the same coin.
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 2 October 2013 05: 03 New
      +1
      somehow duplicated the comment - he did not understand. sad Moderator, please delete this take, which turned out to be unaddressed.
  29. Dry66
    Dry66 2 October 2013 05: 53 New
    0
    The author of the article is Hans Christian Anderson ?!
  30. Forest
    Forest 2 October 2013 08: 46 New
    0
    It is strange that there are no resources in Afghanistan, but wars are ongoing there.
    1. specialist636
      specialist636 2 October 2013 09: 02 New
      0
      Well, there are more than resources !!! Our geologists have discovered a lot of things, including rare earth metals.
      Now the Chinese are picking them up for themselves - they want to be monopolists and dictate conditions on the world market.
      In addition, Afghanistan has an important geographical location. For us, this is a springboard for entering the Persian Gulf zone. For Americans - the opportunity to control the region, including Iran
      1. Forest
        Forest 2 October 2013 11: 02 New
        0
        It looks like it is, especially since information was passing on the depletion of rare-earth metals in China.
        1. specialist636
          specialist636 2 October 2013 11: 36 New
          +1
          The Chinese control the production of the rare-earth group in Africa and the world was surprised to find that almost all microelectronics depend on China !!!
          Yes, something else is in Russia (especially on the Kuril ridge) and Afghanistan.
          1. Forest
            Forest 2 October 2013 14: 48 New
            0
            Moreover, China has successfully "killed" our dumping of rare-earth metals by competent dumping.
      2. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 17: 34 New
        +2
        In fact, they can quite successfully press on Iran without bases in Afghanistan. Rare-earth metal deposits are not such that the Americans tried to “pick them up”, and their mining is difficult in those conditions. It will be easier for America to buy them at the market price. Afghanistan acts as a washing machine and a sawmill. After all, the United States did not start the war in Iraq at all because of oil. And for us, Afghanistan doesn’t need a nafig right now, and the presence of the Coalition there is very beneficial for us today.
        1. specialist636
          specialist636 2 October 2013 17: 51 New
          0
          Do you have data on the volume of natural resources in Afghanistan. Already by this thesis it is clear that it was written by an amateur. This is the first.
          The second one. "It will be easier for America to buy them already at the market price." - This is nonsense of a person who has never been involved in business. In other words - a FAILURE.
          The third. The war in Iraq is not because of oil? No comment.
          Question: Where did you crawl out into the white light, the dense collective farmer bydlyak?
          1. Sergeantpro
            Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 18: 02 New
            +2
            data on the volume of natural resources in Afghanistan

            No comment at all. Didn't go to school? )))

            The war in Iraq is not because of oil?

            Not. Not because of oil. It was awesome drank dough on military orders. Companies have earned so much on this that no cheap oil can justify it. In addition, None of the American companies received contracts for mining, transportation, etc. England, China, Germany, but the United States does not even have representative offices there. So that mat.chast steers))

            this is nonsense of a person who never engaged in business

            When doing business, you sometimes need to understand that Such production may not be profitable, but unprofitable. Take the calculator and remember the course of arithmetic. Costs of development, production, storage, logistics. Add here the content of the military contingent (if you can imagine what kind of money it is).

            So learn a young man. It's never too late;)
  31. robinson
    robinson 2 October 2013 23: 06 New
    0
    Finally, on the seventh day, ammunition ran out at altitude.

    Then he argued with a brow of silt, he was still surprised that our machine gunner took 1000 rounds with him. What are 6 days? Why the hell are you lying? What have we proved to so few? AND?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lICl_OboTz0
  32. honest jew
    honest jew 2 October 2013 23: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: 0255
    and savage mujahideen have no clue about honor, unlike the Americans



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxHCAzi1Jw8
  33. pvv113
    pvv113 2 October 2013 23: 29 New
    +6
    Quote: Nomad
    I believe in the courage of our soldiers. Not that I believe, I know. But the Mujahideen released them alive, it is hard to believe.

    AMONG DUSHMANS ALSO NOT ALL WERE BEAST FAN
  34. Penek
    Penek 3 October 2013 17: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Alesha
    Su-24s flew mainly from the Union from the Karshi airfield, well, perhaps a poor knowledge of the area, was mistakenly bombed not for the purpose !!! but that specially past the village is fantastic !!! there were no such altruists among them! and my information will be more precise, two childhood friends flew navigators precisely on the Su-24 and flew from Karshi to Afghanistan !!! HELLO!

    Well, yes, it was your friends who were bombed by the road-commandant brigade in the 85th, during the 3rd Pandcher.
    1. ekzorsist
      ekzorsist 4 October 2013 21: 43 New
      0
      Well, in war as in war ... alas!
  35. Strong
    Strong 3 October 2013 19: 40 New
    0
    Nevertheless, it would be better to collect and post a selection on the real work of OKSVA with the local population, aimed at cooperation and interaction. The population is not easy. For example, the Americans.

    Instead of once again publishing this copy-paste.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 4 October 2013 01: 14 New
      +1
      There is a book of journalists Guy and Morozov about the actions of the OKSVA called the Army. Invasion. There are many interesting interviews with participants, officers, civilian experts. And about mass campaigning with the population. It is also interesting to read materials from the military tribunals and sentences of the TurkMO from 1979 to 1989. .
  36. Const
    Const 4 October 2013 12: 09 New
    +1
    True said. Once caught a NATO instructor, he could not even die like a man. Took with a full BC - he didn’t even shoot. And around there are only dead bodies. After all, he came there to earn money (as if on a coven).
  37. Andrey160479
    Andrey160479 4 October 2013 15: 23 New
    0
    The story is beautiful. Anything can happen in a war.
  38. JETFLAG
    JETFLAG 4 October 2013 22: 24 New
    +2
    But this person believes that they are great and terrible.
  39. Vinny-buh
    Vinny-buh 5 October 2013 11: 39 New
    +3
    I have been working in Afghanistan for a long time. I can confirm: the attitude towards Russians is very good. Probably, everything bad is quickly forgotten by our peoples. The Afghans with whom I spoke understand well that we were driven into the war by uncles from the democratic west. They understand that the Union was not going to build socialism here, they just wanted to have a predictable good neighbor, without Islamic extremism. Russians can safely walk anywhere, respecting local customs and traditions. Kabul hucksters unmistakably identify a Russian on the street and offer good vodka from under the floor.
    He also worked at ISAF in Kandahar and Bastion. Everything is just like in any army of any country: the children of workers and peasants serve. His mess is enough, they sit for months at the points - worn out and dirty, on dry land. Someone can mess up about toilet paper and cola, well, it’s pindzhaks who think that soldier heroes do not like anything except for stew, and they wipe their ass only with a newspaper that they don’t throw away, but let them roll it over.
    Ours was easier, you could even drink sometimes. This is forbidden to drink.
    Nato takes care of his soldiers, one piece of equipment costs ... If something doesn’t suit you, please: go to the store, from laces to unloads and backpacks and all kinds of whales. Not to mention the purchase of cars and motorcycles at preferential prices, the delivery of which is carried out upon the return of a soldier from a business trip directly to his house.
    And the Afghans do not like them because there are practically no open clashes. Well, it’s also dishonest :) I left the house with a machine gun for war, and you bam! from the drone ... exaggerated, of course.
  40. Stasi
    Stasi 5 October 2013 20: 48 New
    +3
    My opinion is this-this war was not needed by the USSR, there was no need to send our guys to Afghanistan. The reason for the entry of our troops into Afghanistan is the hypothetical threat of the deployment of American medium-range missiles capable of hitting industrial areas of the Urals and Siberia. The Americans were bluffing about this, they really wanted the Kremlin to believe in this misinformation. And they believed in the Kremlin. They believed that the Americans would enter Afghanistan and install missiles, establish their own government. They decided to get ahead and entered the troops, the trap slammed shut. Already today, Brzezinski openly spoke about all this, telling the details of how he managed to lure the USSR into Afghanistan. The whole purpose of this trap was revenge on the part of the Americans for Vietnam, they lost almost 60.000 people in that war. And not without the help of the USSR. We supplied the Vietnamese with our weapons and instructors, a huge role in the defeat of the American army was played by our S-72 and S-125 air defense systems that inflicted huge losses on US aircraft. In Afghanistan, the Yankees began to act as well, supply weapons and instructors to the souls. True, they decided to supply their “Stingers” only in 1984, Reagan decided to do this under pressure from the CIA director William Casey. It is in 1984 that the peak of our losses falls. The main thing I want to say is that in this unnecessary war, our guys fought like heroes no matter what. The Soviet soldier proved himself steadfast and courageous, fully deserving of respect from the enemy.
  41. wolf1945
    wolf1945 6 October 2013 00: 37 New
    +1
    HOW NO OUR SOLDIERS FULFILLED THE ORDER OF THEIR HOMELAND!
    soldier
    1. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 18 November 2013 03: 48 New
      0
      I absolutely agree with this.
  42. FAO_48E
    FAO_48E 6 October 2013 06: 20 New
    0
    Quote: mikkado31
    I spent a year in Iraq in the desert. (4th US Infantry Division) Normally fought. No need to hang noodles.

    You ain't ever going to prove anything to them. Don't even try ...