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How we “mocked” AKS-74, but we could not break it!

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This история On 100% true, who does not believe - let him try it himself.


These events took place in 1985, in MMG, in one northern province of DRA. The subunits of the PF, the moto-manguns in those years were in constant combat readiness or in constant hostilities - I don’t know what to call it when the base of the mongroup is under constant shelling from rifle weaponsand sometimes from heavy machine guns and mortars, in any case, we had this. Therefore, we did not have lockable weapons rooms. And since the mongroup could at any moment throw a “K to the battle”, the weapons and ammunition were always attached to the fighters. I, for example, have an automatic machine gun, a BK, a bullet-proof vest and other sapper personal belongings hung on nails on the wall above the bed. That is, a fighter walking along a mongroup with a gun in sneakers, shorts and panama didn’t cause any questions. Any dangerous, stupid games with weapons and ammunition no one was up to. If such attempts were made, they were harshly suppressed by the fighters themselves, the game would forever discourage indulgence. Apparently, therefore, there were not a single wound in the mongroup of wounds related to the careless handling of weapons and ammunition!

So. There was one fun in the mongroup. She was called shooting "bulking" cartridges. The dump cartridge was made quite simply: - the bullet was carefully removed from the cartridge case, usually the front sight of the automaton or the muzzle brake compensator was used for this, about half or 2 / 3 powder was poured, then the cartridge was ready. He was needed for silent shooting. The sound of a shot with such a cartridge is approximately the same as that of a small-caliber rifle, and perhaps even quieter. And if you still shoot in the direction of the minefields, then in the monogroup the shot is not audible at all. It was with this that the fighters were amused during the service of the protection of the mongroup, they shot at the banks, birds, gophers, jackals.

On that day, I and my friend and fellow countryman Yuri, served in one of the remote posts of the mongroup. It was an early summer morning. Nature was just beginning to wake up. I really wanted to eat! We would soon have to change from the service, but before breakfast it was another four hours. Therefore, the Yurets decided, after the change, to cook breakfast in person, and not from the hardened stew, but the roast of gophers! And if the Yurets decided something, then it is useless to dissuade him. Yes, and gophers have already woken up and swarming right there beside. Yurets and decided to shoot a couple of AKS-74 (caliber 5,45х39mm). Dumped the cartridge, drove it into the chamber of the machine, crawled onto the trench parapet, cured game and ... PSSSYK. This dog meant that the bullet was stuck in the barrel. This happened all the time, because it is not always to the eye to determine the dose of gunpowder. So Yurets poured too much powder, so the bullet did not have enough kinetic energy to leave the barrel. Generally, the bullet in the barrel is not a problem, and it is simply treated, depending on the closer to which edge of the barrel the bullet is stuck, it is knocked back into the chamber, or through the muzzle and all the cases. So Yurets did.

Attempt #1

He discharged the gun, took off the ramrod, stuffed it into the barrel from the side of the muzzle and determined that the bullet was stuck closer to the chamber, right under the aiming bar. Without thinking twice, the Yurets knocked on the head of the ramrod first with a hand - it did not go. I took an F-1 grenade from the box (by the way, the F-1 case is a great hammer), tapped once and again - with difficulty, but the ramrod began to sink into the barrel, and then something fell out of the barrel. We look, and this is not a bullet at all, but a lead shirt and a steel core from a bullet. So the steel shell from the bullet remained in the barrel. - Fuck ..., stated Yurets and looked into the barrel. And there is. The damn hull glittered with ragged edges.

Guys, we are technically educated, and damn sharp-witted, I even studied the technical support in techie! Therefore, having pledged the situation, we diagnosed that the shell was opened up in the barrel channel and she firmly clung to the barrel rifles, that the ACS ramrod was too thin and could not catch the shell, and the ramrod from the 7,62 mm caliber could save the situation, moreover, to enhance the effect pushing the casing out of the barrel, I suggested using a 5,45mm wipe, but turning it backwards in front. That is, the rub has one edge with a slit for rags, and there is a second edge in the form of a threaded tube with which it is screwed onto the ramrod. We will pick up the shell from the barrel walls with these sharp ends along the tubular end, and since we don’t have AKMs of 7,62mm caliber, we take a piece of PCT ramrod (this 7,62mm machine gun is mounted on the BMP and BTR), the barrel is long and The cleaning rod is assembled from pieces. So we will have a snood sham.

Attempt #2

About breakfast and roast was forgotten. We changed from service and immediately began to execute the plan. From the muzzle of the barrel, the rubbing tube was pushed forward into the barrel, a piece of ramrod from the PCT was inserted from above. The ramrod was hit pretty hard even with a sledgehammer. Carry for quite some time. As a result, we got a tubular part of the rubbing wedged in the barrel. The rubbing part with a slit for rag broke off from the tubular part and was removed from the barrel without problems. Now there was a shell and rubbing in the barrel ...

Attempt #3

We sat down, smoked, scratched our turnips and decided to go to the master intake of Serge to a locksmith, he had all sorts of tools, and he was also a locksmith from God.
Seryoga looked, shone a flashlight in the barrel and wrapped up such a theory that we didn’t listen to him until the end, but offered to act. In his opinion, in order for the rubbing to move and not deform, a sharp, hard blow is necessary. This stiffness will provide the ball from the bearing is equal to the diameter of the barrel. I don’t know what technical calculations this ball came from, well, a ball, so a ball, if only it would help. They found a ball in the workshop, drove it into the barrel, a ramrod on top, a sledge hammer on top. After several blows with a sledgehammer, - the upper tip of the ramrod bent, and rubbing from a place! Suddenly, a brilliant locksmith dawned. Everything is really simple. It is necessary to heat the barrel, the metal will expand, and the entire contents of the barrel will fly out.

They kindled a blowtorch, warmed up a part of the barrel, where it was rubbed to yellow, the barrel became transparent and even the rifling in the barrel and stuck rubbing were visible. Again on top of the ball, ramrod, sledgehammer. I was warming with a blowtorch, Seryoga in the mittens was holding the machine gun with the barrel up, Yurets thrashed the sledge hammer on the ramrod ... - it is useless !!! When the barrel cooled, it turned out that the aiming bar, which was just above the heating point, also warmed up and gradually cooled, and the spring that fixes the aiming device was released, that is, it lost its elasticity, and now the aim bar was hanging up and down as it pleased. . But it was nonsense compared to what assumption I came to. Assumptions were sad and consisted in the fact that with a strong heating of the barrel, the metal in it became softer and when struck with a sledge hammer on the ramrod, and the ramrod in turn on the ball, and the ball on the rubbing, could deform inside, as if to swell! Yurets, after listening to my assumptions, concluded: "That's all, ass!". I took the gun and silently left the workshop.

Attempt #4 - Last

While walking from the workshop to our smoking room (they used to clean the weapon there), they rolled a couple of alternative solutions to the problem.

The first option, which we didn’t like at once, suggested irreversible damage to weapons, i.e. automatic machine for write-off. And it was as follows: tomorrow it was planned to leave for the night ambush, there was clearly no cost without shooting, so you could “accidentally leave” the machine gun on the entrenchment of the trench, and the BMP gunner would “accidentally” get out of the FCT using the automatic gun receiver or “accidentally drop” automatic under the BMP, exactly the receiver across the goose.

The second option involved the surrender of Yurts to the mercy of the zampolit of our outpost, since the head of the outpost was in the Union. But the change must be accurate, with the provision of metered information. Namely: not about what shell in the trunk not to speak, but to try to drive the political officer over the ears about the fact that during cleaning of the trunk, rubbing broke off and was tightly stuck in the trunk. He, of course, will not believe, but also will not check.

The second option was the most preferable, since the decision to write off the machine seemed to be shifted onto the shoulders of the political officer. But! Yurtsu, and most likely I, as an accomplice, still have to serve hard labor and do not yet know which one!

We decided to postpone the surrender of Yurts to after dinner, because after dinner everything is kinder and more appeasable. And, to kill before lunch time, they took up putting the machine in order. First of all, it was necessary to remove traces of automatic heating under the aiming bar. A simple wiping machine with a rag with gun oil destroyed all traces, to which we were pretty surprised. Burning the trunk did not suffer at all! Then the machine was carefully cleaned and assembled.

After lunch, Yurets went to surrender to the political officer. The conversation was not long, the political officer jumped out of the cockpit with a machine gun and headed straight for Nachman (the head of the MMG is a respected and revered, indisputable authority among the soldiers, shook his third term in the DRA). Zampolit was, though young, but cunning. Do they teach this in military schools? He instantly turned the arrows to solve the problem on the shoulders of Nachman, - everything ingenious is simple.

A few minutes later, the political officer with Nachman appeared in our smoking room. Nachman once again asked Yurts what was really in the trunk. Yurets stood his ground - rubbing! Nachman with the words: "Give the cartridge, now let's see what's there." With the skill of a conjurer, he took a bullet from a cartridge case (who tried to confirm that it was not easy to do it), drove the cartridge case into the chamber, raised the machine gun over his head and fired. We squinted, expecting the worst - the rupture of the trunk. But there was an ordinary regular shot, only rubbing, moving away along the mortar trajectory in the direction of the next village, squealing like a ballistic missile on takeoff! Nachman dismantled the machine gun, looked into the trunk: “Son! Shot fired? Give patron. He took a bullet from the cartridge case, but this time in a sleeve cartridge he hammered a piece of the stick tightly. She drove the sleeve in the chamber. He picked up the gun and fired. The shell with a howl went to the sky after the rub. Nachman dismantled the machine gun, looked into the barrel and, giving the machine gun to Yurtsu, said: “On, fine. Once again you get caught, I tell you ... ..! ”Nachman has always been a master of strong expressions! But for some reason I paid attention to the word "... get caught ...".

When the curious had dispersed from the smoking-room, Yurets grabbed a ramrod and wiped the barrel several times, looked into it and gave me an automatic with square eyes: “Look at it”. I looked at the trunk and ofigel. The barrel in the place of heating was pristine polished! No scratches, no dents!

Spring under the sighting bar, we then replaced. With this machine, Yurets served up to demob, 100 can shoot out of it, and maybe more shops and no problems! Glory to the Russian gunsmiths !!!

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  1. Asgard
    Asgard 1 October 2013 09: 02 New
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    M16 - Under the magnifying glass, the butt melts
    AK47 - Under the magnifying glass you can see the Vietnamese mud still working instead of grease
    Three-line - Under the magnifying glass you can see the impregnated tree BLOOD

    M16 - Wedges when dirty
    AK47 - Works when dirty
    Three-line - Has not been clean since being redeployed in 1932

    M16 - Hundreds of moving parts held together by dozens of bolts and screws
    AK47 - A pair of dozens of moving parts held by a handful of rivets and ugly seams of a drunk Russian welder
    Three-line - three moving parts, two screws.

    M16 - You're more likely to die than smash your expensive rifle in hand-to-hand combat
    AK47 - your submachine gun can beat off well in hand-to-hand combat (until the cartridges are brought up)))
    Three-ruler - Your rifle is a cool spear with the ability to shoot))

    M16 - if the firing pin breaks, you send the rifle to the factory under warranty
    AK47 - if the striker breaks, you put the nail in and continue to shoot))
    Three-line - If the hammer breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the shutter

    M16 - More difficult to manufacture than many aircraft
    AK47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes
    Three-line - Aircraft shot down from it

    Owner's favorite drink
    M16 - Cognac
    AK47 - Vodka
    Three-line - Brake fluid drained from a frozen crowbar


    M16 - Makes a small hole, everything is neat, in accordance with the Geneva Convention
    AK47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention
    Three-line - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention

    M16 - perfectly shoots small rodents
    AK47 - perfectly shoots the enemies of the revolution
    Trehlineyka - perfectly shoots light equipment

    M16 - once in the river, it stops working
    AK47 - hitting a river, still shoots
    Three-ruler - once in the river, usually used as a paddle

    M16 - Weapons for defense
    AK47 - Assault Weapons
    Three-line - Victory Arms!

    M16 - The grenade launcher is heavy, but can put a grenade in a window 200 meters away
    AK47 - If anything, the grenade from the grenade launcher can be thrown into the window with your hand
    Three-line - Grenade out the window? Hit through the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick

    M16 - You can put a silencer, a small cartridge does not give a lot of sound
    AK47 - In principle, you can put a silencer, but it’s better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire
    Three-line - Why a silencer, when after the first shot everything will go deaf in any way?
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 1 October 2013 09: 17 New
      37
      laughing is there any continuation really liked
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 1 October 2013 09: 25 New
        62
        We must take cognac and think)))))))
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto 1 October 2013 14: 21 New
          23
          We must take cognac and think)))))))

          Owner's favorite drink:
          M16 - Cognac

          Ay-yy-yay, Vladimir, we caught you! laughing
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 1 October 2013 14: 39 New
            82
            Sybarite)))
            And the brake is not the same as in Soviet times. Does not sneak))))
            But the collection is present ...
            1. Stiletto
              Stiletto 1 October 2013 14: 50 New
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              That’s what, friends, comrades. For the most beautiful instruction-comparison of weapons samples, which everyone liked so much, I have an offer to prematurely produce the respected Vladimir Asgard as army general. It is not difficult to do this, if we get together well, he has very little left before that. I have already made my contribution, upgraded the rating of Vladimir, as I could, join in! good
              1. nov_tech.vrn
                nov_tech.vrn 4 October 2013 09: 46 New
                +3
                tried it, I think it’ll work out
              2. VladimirD
                VladimirD 2 December 2013 23: 07 New
                0
                I am wildly sorry. And then what? I can’t argue with Kalashnikov ....
            2. Rider
              Rider 1 October 2013 15: 21 New
              +8
              Quote: Asgard
              But the collection is present ...


              DIIIIIIKO envy!

              wink
            3. novobranets
              novobranets 1 October 2013 15: 30 New
              +4
              And what is seen on the right? Thompson, chi sho?
              1. pasha1713
                pasha1713 1 October 2013 19: 05 New
                +5
                Yeah, only without a forearm
            4. NOMAD
              NOMAD 1 October 2013 17: 18 New
              +5
              Rumor has it that non-alcoholic brakes began to be released !!!!
              1. German
                German 2 October 2013 02: 16 New
                +1
                Nah ... people go crazy! This cannot be!
        2. waisson
          waisson 1 October 2013 14: 35 New
          +3
          well done have talent good
        3. German
          German 2 October 2013 02: 14 New
          +1
          .... and half a liter does not help. at least 1,5!
        4. 225chay
          225chay 2 October 2013 15: 28 New
          +4
          Quote: Asgard
          We must take cognac and think)))))))

          Vladimir, you’ll definitely become Marshall after this article))) +++++
        5. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 6 October 2013 20: 24 New
          +4
          I personally observed how, during the landing on the airfield of the Brand garrison in the GSVG, in 1983 the guys literally carved a sheaf of sparks from the take-off in the gale, falling on the concrete, I don’t know what kind of unit it was, and there was no time to ask, but practicing the capture the airdrome, they kindly sternly said: quietly ... you hand over, we take ... (but how not to hand over?) their guys are so stubborn that they don’t give up, they’ll take it ... after the exercises they refused to sleep on " point "well, that is, in the shield house, where we cordially invited them (well, our guys) and the demons climbed into a coal pile, who he served in the GSVG, he remembers these briquettes ... and sniffed there until the morning, only snored .... but it was in December. it was - 10. I’m not lying to her, it felt like I’m in a sanatorium, and the guys are really working, they even looked at us ... condescendingly ... they say type - infantry ... what about to take you ... and it was not offensive! by golly! the guys were somehow older than us, although they were younger, what was in them ... peasant, and heroic ... and we felt that we were protected! not that country!
      2. kazssr
        kazssr 1 October 2013 09: 46 New
        +6
        I would definitely like
        1. George
          George 1 October 2013 13: 58 New
          34
          AK47 - It works even if you never cleaned it. Is always.
          M16 - Every week you spend 9 $ on special synthetic detergents.
          Three-line - The last time it was cleaned in 1945, near Berlin.

          AK47 - You can get into the wall of the barn, being inside it.
          M16 - You can get into the wall of the barn from a distance of 600 meters.
          Three-line - You can get into the barn in two countries from it.

          AK47 - A replacement store costs like a bottle of beer.
          M16 - Looking at the price tag of a new store, you convince yourself that you do not need it.
          Three Line - What is a Store?

          AK47 - The fuse click is audible 300 meters away from you.
          M16 - You can quietly remove the rifle from the fuse with one finger.
          Three-line - What is a fuse?

          AK47 - Your machine comes with a belt for 2 dollars.
          M16 - Your machine comes with a nine-point subtle tactical system with silencer
          Three Line - Your rifle comes with a dog collar.

          AK47 - The bayonet can be used for close combat.
          M16 - The bayonet can be used to open canned food.
          Three-line - You can chop wood with a bayonet.

          AK47 - You can make a two-centimeter hole in a fifty-centimeter oak if you can get into it.
          M16 - You can make one hole in a sheet of paper at 100 meters by using a clip.
          Three-line - You can hit any other target with the shock wave of your bullet without hitting the target itself.

          AK47 - If you run out of ammo, you can use an assault rifle like a club.
          M16 - If you run out of ammo, you can use the machine as a golf club.
          Three-ruler - If you run out of ammo, you can use the rifle as an excellent combat club, or paddle, or tent support.
          1. George
            George 1 October 2013 14: 01 New
            27
            AK47 - Your assault rifle is used by the most untrained fighters of the backward countries to fight with the elite special services of the whole world.
            M16 - Your machine is used by elite intelligence agencies around the world to fight the most untrained fighters of backward countries.
            Three-ruler - Your rifle is used to fight against itself and wins every time.
            AK47 - You are buying the cheapest ammo.
            M16 - You buy handmade cartridges on special order.
            Three-line - You use cartridges dug in the fields of old battles.

            AK47 - Your enemy may die from one hit of your bayonet.
            M16 - Your enemy may laugh to death at the sight of your bayonet.
            Three-line - You can kill the enemy with one blow of your bayonet on the opposite side of the river, without getting up from the hammock.

            AK47 - The service life of 60 years.
            M16 - Lifetime 40 years.
            Three-line - 100 years of service and countdown continues.

            AK47 - It's easier to buy a new rifle than to change the caliber on an existing one.
            M16 - You can change the caliber of a rifle by pressing a couple of buttons.
            Three-line - No one in the world will dare to tell you that there are any other cartridges, except 7.62x54r.

            AK47 - You can fix a rifle with a hammer and kick.
            M16 - It’s easier to buy a new rifle than to fix an old one.
            Three-line - What is a breakdown?

            good Russian savvy is the most savvy.
            1. waisson
              waisson 1 October 2013 14: 38 New
              12
              it's not that hi
              1. Ded_smerch
                Ded_smerch 2 October 2013 12: 18 New
                +1
                This is Amer’s comparison option.
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      3. Canep
        Canep 1 October 2013 09: 49 New
        +4
        Search in the search engine. Comparison of M-16 and AK-47. About half is here.
      4. victor gordeev68
        victor gordeev68 1 October 2013 21: 06 New
        +4
        everything is completely true. I myself was in a similar situation. got off the barrel heating
    2. kazssr
      kazssr 1 October 2013 09: 46 New
      +5
      class, that's right, but I haven’t met with 3 rulers)))) hi laughing drinks
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 1 October 2013 16: 50 New
        24
        A friend was retiring (an avid hunter - he kept almost everything - Tiger, wild boar, saiga, Chez, Bars - stopped on SCS, shouted cooler no and treated us constantly about this) we all took a quiet service and through Vovanov ordered a storage answer Mosinka. She got 34 years old. At the gathering they handed him his first reaction: how am I going to walk with this howitzer-after two trips to the SCS forest I was SOLD !!! The only minus is VERY LOUD SHOT- and still do not buy the trunks 41 -43 g. In consumer goods (quick wear and disgusting manufacture)
    3. UVB
      UVB 1 October 2013 09: 52 New
      +8
      +++ There are no words ... A masterpiece !!!
    4. ramin_serg
      ramin_serg 1 October 2013 10: 31 New
      +6
      Cheered pancake for a long time so did not have fun continued, come on if there is of course
    5. labendik
      labendik 1 October 2013 12: 22 New
      +1
      In words, of course it’s beautiful, but at times it’s not so funny.
    6. shkil2010
      shkil2010 1 October 2013 13: 43 New
      +2
      And do you happen to tell me where to get the three-ruler? No, I'm serious ...
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 1 October 2013 14: 17 New
        42
        At diggers)))
        Or myself
        I bought a mine detector and to us on the Karelian Isthmus, Kalevala and Louhi region .... but not in Turkey and Egypt)))))
        Nature, Forests, rocks, lakes, Red Fish, Southern White Sea coast, Mosquitoes ...
        When you put the small ammunition on the table, cover with something-mosquitoes are pulled apart))))
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 3 October 2013 12: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: Asgard
          to the Karelian Isthmus, Kalevala and Loukhsky district.

          EEEEE! Good swag places to take !!! laughing
      2. Heccrbq .2
        Heccrbq .2 1 October 2013 15: 00 New
        +4
        In a store with 18 ty optics, in America 200 dollars with delivery, how to explain this paradox?
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 1 October 2013 16: 54 New
          +1
          Subtract the cost of optics. In the states and camarro stlit 16 tugriks in total
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 1 October 2013 19: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: shkil2010
        And do you happen to tell me where to get the three-ruler? No, I'm serious ...

        Well, at least here:
        http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411540201
        Just $ 143.17 when paying by card, $ 139.00 by postal order. I don’t know if they are sent to the Russian Federation, and if so, how much. You yourself call them or write off, take an interest. Address and telephone number are indicated on the page.
        1. biznaw
          biznaw 1 October 2013 22: 48 New
          +2
          They do not send to Russia ... even optics.
        2. Slavs69
          Slavs69 1 October 2013 23: 14 New
          +2
          And to hell in P and n dosii take? Through the hunting store KO-91. Revival, so to speak legends. True, the barrel is already chrome plated.
      4. vanaheym
        vanaheym 1 October 2013 19: 41 New
        +3
        What's the problem? It is available for sale under the names KO-91/30 or MP-143
      5. Captain45
        Captain45 1 October 2013 21: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: shkil2010
        And do you happen to tell me where to get the three-ruler? No, I'm serious ...

        In our North, indigenous people still still use trilinears for hunting, although it’s already rare, but you can still find them on the tundra. They shoot, my mother doesn’t cry, on 400-500 meters without optics a deer is hit in the head. Hunters, however lol
        1. biznaw
          biznaw 1 October 2013 22: 53 New
          +4
          Not true. It is impossible to heal the head from 500 meters, at such a distance the fly completely covers the deer, then it will be accidental in the carcass. "cut the bream"
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 2 October 2013 10: 04 New
            +8
            "... the fly completely covers the deer"
            And didn’t try to shoot for aiming "under the edge" (under the bull's eye)? And the fly will not cover the deer. hi
          2. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 20: 07 New
            +2
            In fact, the designer Brauninig was a cool shooter before the creation of the wholesale. sights from 600 meters hit the man’s head, but was also distinguished by the understanding that he was not the only one, and at the very first sounds of the battle disappeared into the rear faster than a bullet. It is also known that the “Boers" (people, not rifles) were hunters of the shroud and most of them fell into a running jackal 600 meters away.
    7. waisson
      waisson 1 October 2013 14: 34 New
      +3
      I would put as many pluses as it is now but they won’t give it, I wrote it myself or who suggested I didn’t read it before good good good
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 20: 23 New
        +4
        You can read about it in the book “Captain Grab your Head”, though the editors screwed up it and instead of Mauser rifles painted Mauser pistols of 1911, the book was repeatedly reprinted, but the first version was published when the optics were miraculously inaccessible, but there was a shot from 500 yards in the head was a matter of almost ordinary. There is no doubt that the book is fiction, but it was written before our revolution. The only legend about snipers that is even in the play and in the movie of the same name “Front”, when the third one does not light: “the first lights up - a sniper takes a rifle, the second lights up - a sniper aims, the third lights up - a sniper shoots”, - so it says, but this can only work if you light a cigarette in a trench that a sniper shoots in range, if you move 50 meters deep, you can smoke as you sit, since shooting minus 50 meters, that is, through a trench, bullets will lie in front of a smoker. And in the dark it is not possible to determine the distance to the light and it is easy to make a mistake of a hundred or two hundred meters, because a cigarette is visible with a simple eye up to 800 meters. The writer might not have known that for firing a kilometer a bullet should fly above the telegraph pole at the highest point.
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 4 October 2013 20: 44 New
          0
          Quote: shasherin_pavel
          The writer might not have known that for firing at a kilometer a bullet should fly above the telegraph pole at the highest point

          7.62x54 when shooting at 800 meters cartridge "Extra" give a fall of 850cm.
          For half a kilometer, the error is almost penny, only ~ 210cm.
          That is why Simo Hyayuha from a three-ruler with an open sight mainly shot at distances of 250-350 meters.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 5 October 2013 05: 47 New
            +1
            Another speculation super-shoot? In the process, ballistic tables were verified and calculated by your personal enemies ... Dear, I repeat once again, learn the materiel!





            Or is outright lying an indicator of your competence?
            1. vanaheym
              vanaheym 5 October 2013 10: 01 New
              0
              Well, that is, if in the video below the drop when shooting at 915 meters with a Hornady bullet with a significantly better ballistic coefficient is 32 feet (9.7 meters) - is this a lie and a provocation, but should it be like in the table below?
              Nothing that using a ballistic calculator with LPS bullet data, which is almost the same as the Hornady pool used by the shooter, gives an almost identical result? Ballistic calculators of course lie?
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 5 October 2013 11: 43 New
                0
                Firstly, you talked about “Extra,” its performance is 2 times that of the 7,62x54R P, so even my tables are not true in anything.
                Secondly, the data from the tables provided by me when shooting at a maximum of 10% and was not derived by a mathematical method, but by a practical one!
                Thirdly, these tables are driven into the sniper dead!
                Fourth, the brand of cartridge is not indicated in the table. Only the company and that the LPC bullet is not a caliber, not a weight. Another cotton wool. Rub this information to people who do not understand anything in shooting.
                1. Timeout
                  Timeout 5 October 2013 12: 19 New
                  +1
                  Here is the usual calculation of standard LPC!

                  1. vanaheym
                    vanaheym 5 October 2013 12: 48 New
                    0
                    Well, that is, in my simplified calculation table, the correction for 1050 meters is 52.9MOA, taking into account the fact that I took into account the sight on a high mount, in the ada.ru calculator - 52.32 by 1100. What else do you want to tell me? What does this have to do with the tables that you posted
                2. vanaheym
                  vanaheym 5 October 2013 12: 28 New
                  0
                  Quote: Timeout
                  Secondly, the data from the tables provided by me when shooting at a maximum of 10% and was not derived by a mathematical method, but by a practical one!

                  The video below with a fall of 9.7 meters at 900 meters shows that the calculation of the fall by the Hornady calculator for a bullet of this weight and speed is correct. And do not puff out cheeks.

                  Quote: Timeout
                  Only a company and that the LPC bullet is not caliber nor weight

                  Well, yes, if you look in a book and see a fig - then yes, cotton.
                  The table in black and white shows the calculations of the drop in the LPS cartridge bullet with a bullet weighing 9.6 grams (148 grains), a ballistic coefficient of 0.42 and an initial speed of 850 meters per second, according to the manufacturer.
                  If we talk about Extra cartridges, then using the manufacturer’s data (Novosib, bullet weight - 13g (200grains), BC - 0.47, bullet speed - 750m / s), a drop of 800 meters turns out just like I said. This concludes the conversation with the main Internet warrior.
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 5 October 2013 13: 29 New
                    +2
                    The weight of the bullet according to your table is 75 gran. AND GENERALLY I HAVE A CLAIM TO THIS POST!
                    Quote: vanaheym
                    Mosin rifle with a good cartridge "Extra" at 1100 meters gives a fall of 22 meters. At 1000 - about 19 meters.
                    In the case of manual equipment of cartridges with high-class bullets, these parameters can be improved, but still not everyone is given the dao of mortar firing from a rifle.

                    That you answered shasherin_pavel?
                    And which of us is a clown? At first I thought up and then remembered the calculator ... Watch your posts or do you think I got attached just like that? It turns out that the sniper we have on VO is forgetful. And he doesn’t even look at the tables I laid out, especially at a distance after 800 meters. Thousands of centimeters are indicated there. So you need to at least answer a little what I wrote.
                    1. vanaheym
                      vanaheym 5 October 2013 13: 40 New
                      0
                      I agree, dumb with weight. But, in the case of "Extra" even ada.ru agrees with me
                      1. Timeout
                        Timeout 5 October 2013 13: 52 New
                        +2
                        Now look at the post with Borisov’s calculator, with LPS data. You will be very surprised!

                        And this is a chart from the cartridge manufacturer:


                        So even 308Win, showing results is not better ...
          2. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 5 October 2013 21: 50 New
            0
            Spruce determined the distance accurately enough, but the error in setting the rear sight at 50-100 meters is too large. In the Kalashnikov magazine there was a whole selection of sniper shooting and examples of proper shooting were given. There, a veteran recalls how they repelled an attack by enemy scouts from a cell. The sights were not three hundred meters away, and there was no time to rearrange the pillars, since the scouts crept up almost to throw a grenade. The writer of this story made a remark that he himself was still quite “young” and did not know, but the veteran who was with him in the cell gave the command “aim on your knees!” and everything worked out, the bullets hit the Germans chest. I wrote about night shooting, when the correct distance to the light of a cigarette cannot be determined.
    8. Petrovich-2
      Petrovich-2 1 October 2013 16: 05 New
      13
      and the ugly seams of a drunk Russian welder
      Here, I fundamentally disagree with this. Though ban.

      No need to disgrace our gunsmiths, and then write "Glory to the Russian gunsmiths."
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 2 October 2013 10: 06 New
        +6
        I agree. A weld seam is formed only during arc welding, which on AK is not in principle. There is only spot welding.
        1. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 20: 30 New
          +2
          I bet $ 100 that you can’t distinguish a spot weld seam from a good carbon wire seam, or even a good welder seam. When the first welders worked with spot welding, none of them understood why welding is called spot welding, and when they asked the inventor, he suggested that he listen to the current transformer when working, only listening did they hear the transformer automaton knock something like a dash in Morse code. And with a seam ... never. Moreover, the welding of weapons is carried out automatically.
          1. staltech
            staltech 5 October 2013 10: 33 New
            +5
            let's bet $ 1000 that I distinguish them blindfolded? I’m sure you’ve never seen a spot welding seam. I’ve never seen it either. This just doesn’t happen)) There is spot welding, the device is a spring-loaded pliers, the jaws of which are electrodes made in the form of cones. Thin sheets of metals are inserted between the electrodes, press the button, the pliers converge with force to compress the workpiece, at this moment the discharge is metal it is melted, the compression force remains for a fraction of a second, diffusion - voila, welding is done. Pluses - speed, the ability to cook a thin sheet (automotive), minus - poorly held, the point is the point (tack) I myself am certified welded, cook automatically, n oluavtomat, handbrake, non-consumable electrode (argon). I do not drink at work))) Tack holds a ton)))
            1. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 5 October 2013 22: 05 New
              +1
              You are already describing the latest spot welding technologies, and the remark was not to you, but to the Black Colonel, and not to the professional. Quote: "when the first welders worked with spot welding," taken from the memoirs of the inventor of the spot welding machine.
              1. staltech
                staltech 13 October 2013 08: 59 New
                0
                Complete nonsense
    9. eplewke
      eplewke 1 October 2013 16: 23 New
      +3
      Great article and great post! Russian AK - it is immortal!
    10. pasha1713
      pasha1713 1 October 2013 19: 02 New
      +3
      About the spear with the ability to shoot the very topic good
    11. max702
      max702 1 October 2013 20: 13 New
      +9
      that's all .. http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/112/wxsi326.jpg
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 2 October 2013 03: 11 New
        +4
        Any questions.
        1. What crank letter M brought the weapon to such a state?
        2. How many out-of-order outfits would the aforementioned eccentric have if he had been caught by a normal ensign?
        3. How many and what kind of cleaning products will be required to bring this machine into a divine form, and how long will it take?
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 2 October 2013 10: 10 New
          +5
          Apparently this eccentric did not have a normal sergeant (foreman) in his mentors or dug up this device somewhere after a certain amount of time holding it in a dunghill.
          1. Sergeantpro
            Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 16: 37 New
            +4
            This is what they removed from the Somali pirates. They have all the weapons in this state. Sea air and salt water very quickly turn weapons into such. Moreover, it is very difficult to prevent, and even more so the monkeys. In cats, AKMSs in the pyramids at the training base are also covered with rye. Although not to such an extent)))
        2. Passer
          Passer 2 October 2013 22: 37 New
          +2
          In my opinion this is the sample that was captured from Somali pirates.
      2. kenig1
        kenig1 2 October 2013 11: 17 New
        +3
        Judging by the forensic line, this AK was dug up from the caches, or seized after any power operation from any Osama bin Obama.
      3. Bum
        Bum 2 October 2013 19: 43 New
        +3
        It seems to be Chinese! Hinged bayonet.
      4. REZMovec
        REZMovec 2 October 2013 22: 51 New
        +1
        China, however! ..
      5. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 20: 32 New
        +2
        Even Chinese, with a trihedral bayonet. Such are often found in chronicles of the Arab wars.
    12. ded10041948
      ded10041948 1 October 2013 21: 24 New
      +1
      Class! Itself invented or is there a source?
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 6 October 2013 13: 19 New
        0
        If the question is for me, I’ll say that for the first time I saw the three-sided bayonet in Kalash in the news about the war in Syria when I was at school, which means it’s 74 years old. Only later did I see the Chinese armed with Kalash with a trihedral bayonet. Although I also noticed that most of them have a classic bayonet. I have no other details.
    13. Current 72
      Current 72 2 October 2013 02: 09 New
      +1
      He laughed heartily !!! THANKSOOOOOOOOOO !!!! And put you +!
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    15. Passer
      Passer 2 October 2013 22: 29 New
      +2
      Thank. Written with all my heart and knowledge of the subject.
    16. PerchikII
      PerchikII 3 October 2013 10: 15 New
      +2
      Laughed.
    17. VladimirD
      VladimirD 4 October 2013 17: 48 New
      +2
      Well defined and pluses and (minuses). Respect and respect, as they say young !!!
  2. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 1 October 2013 09: 09 New
    10
    an acquaintance served in a military service in the Far East, told that they were given a sample of Chinese Kalash, so after using one store, the machine can be thrown out, that is, the barrel wears out cleanly just spits
    1. Gato
      Gato 1 October 2013 10: 28 New
      13
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      after using one store, the machine can be thrown out, that is, the barrel wears out cleanly just spits

      Exaggeration.
      In Chinese replicas, the resource is indeed approximately an order of magnitude smaller than the original. And he spits because of the low quality of steel, which has too large a temperature coefficient of expansion.
      By the way, Kalash also spits if 4-5 stores are landed without a break, but after a few minutes it comes back to normal.
      1. Rider
        Rider 1 October 2013 15: 28 New
        +8
        Quote: Gato
        By the way, Kalash also spits if you drop 4-5 stores without a break


        nonsense!

        not less than 10.

        verified.

        fired until the cartridge was delivered to the barrel due to soot.
        I had to push my foot.
        however, the temperature spread is possible due to climate.
        then it was cold around -5
        1. pasha1713
          pasha1713 1 October 2013 19: 13 New
          +3
          In the magazine "Kalashnikov" it was written about 18 stores at AKM against 4 at the Bulgarian AK
        2. aleshka
          aleshka 1 October 2013 20: 07 New
          +3
          Do not whistle, if 5,45, then six stores maximum !!! Then you can catch with a panama until it cools !! from eight AKM stores and cool too! think in vain on the PKS interchangeable trunks ??? shot a 250 box, changed the trunk! and your minus five to the machine in the drum! does not cool!
          1. aleshka
            aleshka 1 October 2013 20: 09 New
            +3
            and the bullet in front of my eyes was knocked out by NSh of the Eastern DShMG Ushkalov PD bright memory!!!
            1. 225chay
              225chay 3 October 2013 08: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Alesha
              and the bullet in front of my eyes was knocked out by NSh of the Eastern DShMG Ushkalov PD bright memory!!!

              "Bright memory" happened because of this very bullet that he knocked out?
          2. Rider
            Rider 1 October 2013 21: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Alesha
            Do not whistle, if 5,45, then six stores maximum !!! Then you can catch with a panama until it cools !!


            you personally can whistle as much as you like.
            but more than 6, it’s for sure, certainly not continuous shooting, but at a fairly intense pace.

            maybe you mean Ksyusha, she, they say, has a short resource.
            1. ildar335
              ildar335 2 October 2013 00: 03 New
              0
              most likely Ksenia, personally shot 74 boutiques from the new ak-11m, from 9-10!
      2. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 00: 27 New
        +5
        if you drop 4-5 stores without a break

        Actually, the AKM continues to shoot quite confidently even when the fore-end comes on from an overheated barrel. And it will shoot until it jam. 25-30 stores for 30 rounds is not the limit.
        1. Passer
          Passer 2 October 2013 22: 43 New
          +5
          I completely agree with you, out of three AKMs a little more than 3000 rounds were shot at a time, I earned a burn of my left hand, but somehow I didn’t notice that the AKM spit.
          1. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 20: 48 New
            +2
            Weapon designers have a table that says that one shot heats the barrel by 3 degrees. I remember, during the Vietnam War, a photograph of a Vietnamese machine gunner lying on a pile of shells was not widespread, next to which lay a DP with a bent barrel, and he himself shot from a PC.
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 20: 41 New
      +2
      In Afghanistan, the guys learned to distinguish the Chinese by the sound of a shot, but about the insecurity ... they shot like ours to kill the Chinese, we also have to try. Indeed, in itself this is a Kalashnikov design, even without a license, that is, without production process technology it is not killed. After all, partisans from rifle barrels regrind under 7.62 * 23 created PPSh and they fought. But they created it in the forge.
  3. ed65b
    ed65b 1 October 2013 09: 15 New
    13
    well written, plus to the author. Glory to Kalashnikov.
  4. Aeneas
    Aeneas 1 October 2013 09: 24 New
    +8
    well, the invention fiction is cunning. The soldier-rivals crowded with the whole crowd, and the casket, it turns out, just opened!
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 1 October 2013 13: 07 New
      +4
      and the casket, it turns out, just opened!

      Experience is a gain! Many thanks to the author !!!! good drinks hi
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 1 October 2013 14: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Quiet
        Many thanks to the author !!!!

        But annoying mistakes)).
        MotomAngroup is hereinafter referred to as mOngroup)).
        The shell of the 5,45 bullet (except for BS since 1998) is copper, not steel)).
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 2 October 2013 03: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: ctepx
          The shell of the 5,45 bullet (except for BS since 1998) is copper, not steel)).

          It is not copper, it is bimetallic.
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 2 October 2013 20: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: vanaheym
            It is not copper, it is bimetallic.

            Bullet, yes - bi)). consists of a shell (copper) and a core (there are options, but, as a rule, steel).
            And the shell is 5,45, all the same - copper)).
            1. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 21: 00 New
              +2
              5,45 bullet copper-coated, in the head of the bullet a tapered steel core, for breaking through a helmet or body armor, behind a lead insert, for weight. It was believed, in popular rumor, that the bullet changed the center of gravity in order to tumble in the body, because of the lead insert: supposedly the sock is light and the butt is heavy, so it carries it when it hits a hard surface. But the Germans spent several million to keep the small-caliber bullet from tumbling in the body. Small caliber forces designers to reduce the pitch of the barrel, the bullet in flight makes fewer revolutions and becomes less stable, which makes it tumble in the body. Why did the Germans spend such money so that the bullet would not tumble? He is dead and dead, but one wounded requires from one to four fighters to take him out of the battle to the medical center. So one hit can take out of the battle up to five people: the wounded and carrying it.
              1. vanaheym
                vanaheym 4 October 2013 21: 41 New
                0
                Quote: shasherin_pavel
                5,45 bullet copper-coated, in the head of the bullet a tapered steel core, for breaking through a helmet or body armor, behind a lead insert, for weight.

                On the contrary, first lead, then the core.
                1. shasherin_pavel
                  shasherin_pavel 5 October 2013 22: 39 New
                  +1
                  Magazine "Master Shotgun" No. 18 for 1987, p. 25 Bullet 5.7 by 28. with a displaced center of gravity in the context. True, there is not lead, but aluminum, but in the head there is a steel core. And you describe the caliber projectile of the times of the war, since after the war it became a reel type. And the head part made of soft metal was intended to eliminate the ricochet of the tungsten core, the soft metal adhered to the armor and violated its surface structure, such penetration of armor is clearly visible in photographs of the war, when penetration is surrounded by a larger dent.
  5. time112
    time112 1 October 2013 09: 26 New
    +6
    Do not stop wondering)))
  6. Chukcha
    Chukcha 1 October 2013 09: 48 New
    12
    Notable story. But Nachman only confirmed his authority.
    Good for you!
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 1 October 2013 17: 22 New
      +6
      For more to the Army of such Nachmanov !!! A stool to the wall for betrayal !!!
      1. aleshka
        aleshka 1 October 2013 20: 18 New
        +3
        there were no others in the border troops !!!
  7. The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 1 October 2013 10: 02 New
    +8
    And some Kashcheev (the inventor of the new super-duper bullet) had the audacity to write about the unreliability of Kalash (though he meant the AK-47, but in my opinion the difference is not big!) Let him read these memories!
    1. Taoist
      Taoist 1 October 2013 14: 33 New
      11
      Well there is still funnier ...

      "There is an enchanting character, Vasily Ivanovich Kacheev, who, having crossed a badminton shuttlecock, a pneumatic bullet and a sperm, received a unique bullet: http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2484416 http://militaryrussia.ru/forum/viewtopic. php? f = 840 & t = 2500

      everything would be fine, such a clown pond ponds, but punched our Vasily Ivanovich into the epistolary genre hard, and our writer began to write everywhere, what he is ingenious, and what everyone is around, because there is no way to give money just for any nonsense, so no, make a genius mess up with tests and examinations, that is, a patent? There is! Give me money! Everything is as simple as feces. "(C)

      True, there’s an ambush ... Kacheev’s bullet as a result of mat modeling showed (in comparison with a conventional bullet) aerodynamics in 3.5 times worse, in gyroscopic stability in 60 times! and a tendency to self-destruction due to form. "(c)

      http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/83/1212808.html

      But what does Kalashnikov have to do with it?
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 1 October 2013 14: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Native American Joe
      about the unreliability of Kalash (however, he meant AK-47

      AK-47 is the Americanized name for the WHOLE Kalash family)).
      1. Kunar
        Kunar April 29 2015 06: 57 New
        0
        There is no such automatic carbine)))) There are AK, AKM, AK-74. Estesseno with modifications
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 1 October 2013 21: 54 New
      +2
      AK-47 - the so-called small batch of pre-production prototypes was called. And they were actually very unreliable. But the Kalashnikov assault rifle of the 1949 model - he has no right to fool about it like that
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 1 October 2013 22: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Basarev
        AK-47 - the so-called small batch of pre-production prototypes.

        There was no such name for Kalashnikov)).
        From the Americans, it went, and much later)).
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 00: 32 New
          +2
          Kalashnikov didn’t have such a name


          Yes, torment on every resource to explain it)))
      2. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 21: 07 New
        +2
        Kalashnikov himself said that the tests of the pre-production party when tested in the troops received good reviews from the soldiers, but all in one voice said that “it beats very loudly, it rings in your ears!” It turned out that the gunpowder does not have time to burn out when fired and part of the gunpowder burns out after the bullet leaves the barrel, then the barrel was lengthened and the sound became quieter. They also lightened the weight of some parts: for example, the front sight was lightened by 1 gram.
  8. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 1 October 2013 10: 12 New
    +6
    Quote: Aeneas
    well, the invention fiction is cunning. The soldier-rivals crowded with the whole crowd, and the casket, it turns out, just opened!

    Experience, as you know, is not drunk! wink
  9. 0255
    0255 1 October 2013 10: 15 New
    +3
    it’s good that the heroes of this story were not attacked by spirits while they were trying to extract a bullet from Kalash laughing
  10. intsurfer
    intsurfer 1 October 2013 10: 38 New
    +9
    Quote: kazssr
    class, that's right, but I haven’t met with 3 rulers)))) hi laughing drinks

    on my userpic just a photo while shooting in a dash from a mosquito! ;) of 5 shots with optics (and before that 5 shots without optics) - 3 exactly in the top ten. But I was the first to hold it in my hands. Lies, of course, not weak. My shoulder then hurt for 2 days after 10 shots.
    1. Gato
      Gato 1 October 2013 11: 05 New
      23
      Quote: intsurfer
      Lies, of course, not weak. My shoulder then hurt for 2 days after 10 shots.

      hi
      In adolescence, "lucky" to shoot a sawn-off shotgun of the "mosquito" with one hand. I got off with a dislocation of the brush, a hefty bruise on my side ... and a whipping ass recourse
      An unforgettable experience.
      1. O_RUS
        O_RUS 1 October 2013 14: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Gato
        An unforgettable experience.


        wink remember with awe
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 1 October 2013 13: 04 New
      +4
      So it ... serious people and now use the Mosin rifle as a sniper. Well, those in whom there are fewer show-offs and more skill ...
      1. Slavs69
        Slavs69 1 October 2013 23: 23 New
        +2
        My first hunting carbine was the Mosin, 44 years old, but already as a hunting KO. Unforgettably.
      2. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 00: 36 New
        +6
        Those in whom mastery no longer uses the "mosquito" as a sniper, because the class of the rifle is much lower than the class of the shooters themselves and limits their capabilities (shooters). In addition, it is already technically and morally obsolete. If the officials somewhere and lay around then it is only for beggars and use. In addition, the ballistics of cartridges under it are lower than the plinth and even inferior to the .308 caliber.
        For amateurs and hunters - this is it, but for a professional sniper - firewood.
    3. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 21: 11 New
      +1
      The answer to the question: why did the Japanese have a caliber of 6,5 rather than 7 or 8 mm? There was no Japanese who could shoot more than 10 shots from Mosinki or Mauser. This is from the Japanese test of our rifle in 1904.
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 6 October 2013 10: 27 New
        0
        rather, the Japanese saved this way, although maybe you're right
  11. bistrov.
    bistrov. 1 October 2013 11: 21 New
    +6
    I read an article and recalled an incident from my service. Once I entered the guard, the missile part was reformatted (8K63 missiles and warheads were already surrendered, there were no personnel, but some equipment was still in the buildings), stood in a dense forest, (RSD- missile strategic division). There was nothing to do and I foolishly decided to go "hunt." He took a machine gun from a fighter of a resting shift and went to roam the forest, his cartridges. Wandered, wandered, I see time is running out, I decided to shoot at forty. I don’t know why, either the cartridge was defective, or else, for what reason, it was heard, the very “ps-ss-sh”. He came to the guard neither alive nor dead and threshed the ramrod until the end of the day, pushing out the jammed bullet. Yes, I then pulled the "point", the times were still quite strict, and for such a thing you could easily fly out of the army. It’s good that everything ended happily.
  12. Alexey M
    Alexey M 1 October 2013 12: 05 New
    +9
    Translate somebody into English and send to amers.
    Let them be afraid of the Russian soldier.
  13. kostik1301
    kostik1301 1 October 2013 12: 44 New
    +5
    Here it is, "Russian ingenuity," fear the NATO soldiers ................
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 1 October 2013 17: 37 New
      +3
      They are already ... with thighs ... Otherwise, we Slavs would not exist long ago ...
  14. nelson
    nelson 1 October 2013 13: 23 New
    16
    Not only dirt is not afraid of Kalash! In the cadet years we went to the test shooting. By the beginning of the shooting, the head inspector arrived, the company commander in the first shift appointed those who better shoot to appease the inspector. I shot well, so I got into this shift. In short, I put the translator on the machine, send the cartridge, press the trigger, the target is hit, a single shot! I distort the shutter (at the same time the live cartridge flies out), I press the trigger, the target is hit, a single shot! The company flies up, hissing with obscene rules of firing in short bursts. I explain that the translator is on the machine. The company requires show! I distort the shutter (at the same time the live cartridge flies out), I press the trigger, the target is hit, a single shot! The company officer pulls the machine gun out of my hands, throws it aside, commands it, give me another one. I distort the shutter I press the shutter, the targets are hit by short bursts, the incident is over! Upon leaving, the company commander orders to report to the foreman upon his return so that he can hand him over to the weapons workshop. Since I was shot among the first, I start picking the machine, interesting though. As it turned out, the next time I cleaned, I stuffed a piece of a rag soaked in oil in the gas chamber to eat away the soot and forgot to remove it. And this piece of charred rag, dressed on a gas piston, I found during disassembly. The shooting ended, the company commander forgot about the incident, but I did not remind. But, in principle, the machine gun even with such a “twist” retained the possibility of shooting!
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 1 October 2013 17: 40 New
      +3
      Glory to Kalashnikov !!!! This car was created ...
    2. Tartary
      Tartary 2 October 2013 03: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: nelson
      In short, I put the translator on the machine, send the cartridge, press the trigger, the target is hit, a single shot! I distort the shutter (while the live cartridge flies)I press the trigger, the target is hit, a single shot!


      If the cloth completely blocked the flue or jammed the piston, how could the live cartridge be in the barrel?
      Is it possible that the bolt frame did not reach to cock the percussion mechanism?
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 2 October 2013 10: 20 New
        +1
        So after all, the shutter was manually jerking. Everything is fine.
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 3 October 2013 03: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: Black Colonel
          So after all, the shutter was manually jerking. Everything is fine.

          So after all, he writes that a live cartridge flew out of the barrel, and not a sleeve ...
          The combat is already in the barrel, but the next shot didn’t happen in automatic mode.

          I remember that when shooting in single-fire mode, so as not to jerk the frame over and over again, you must immediately release the trigger after a shot ...
          Something there ensign explained about the mechanism of platoon striking during single fire, but now I can not repeat it.
    3. Realist58
      Realist58 3 October 2013 00: 57 New
      +4
      I remember in the training of the old Termez specially shot one shot at automatic fire, stretched out pleasure)) So no one scolded, even praised the head of the outpost.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 3 October 2013 03: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: Realist58
        I remember in the training of the old Termez specially shot one shot at automatic fire, stretched out pleasure)) So no one scolded, even praised the head of the outpost.

        The shooting exercise during the autumn / spring inspections included the defeat of three targets with 12 rounds - a “growth figure” - 150 m, a “half” –250 m, a “machine gun nest” - 350 m. (Maybe a distance of confused a little)

        I was taught to peel with doubles, and they chided me for a single shot.

        With six rounds managed, however ...
        1. Realist58
          Realist58 3 October 2013 18: 09 New
          +2
          It is this exercise. Two growth and a machine gun.
          A couple of shots all the same were double.
          Well, scolding with a three-time exercise without a single miss, apparently considered wrong laughing
          And after the test, there was one more from the special course (a present to the outpost for excellent results). Two growth engines 500-600 m. He shot already short, and was one of the very few that performed this exercise.
        2. SlavaP
          SlavaP 6 October 2013 00: 37 New
          0
          In my opinion, Comrade General, there should be two growths - 300 and 800 m and a machine gun - exactly 350m. By the way, I also paid them with 6 charges.
          1. Lau friend
            Lau friend 6 October 2013 13: 07 New
            0
            Rostov 300 - advancing enemy infantry, Rostov 800 - retreating. It was allowed during the exercise to make no more than one single shot.
          2. Realist58
            Realist58 6 October 2013 21: 12 New
            +1
            More precisely, the standard is this:
            1UKS 5,45 mm AK74,
            Target number 10a
            250-300
            Target number 8
            250-300 At the far frontier
            150-200 Near Range

            But another exercise, two growth moving targets (along the front) is not included in the standard list, so I can’t even tell the exact distance (it was 20+ years ago). But whether 800 lie, although xs ...
            1. Lau friend
              Lau friend 6 October 2013 21: 49 New
              +1
              It seems I’ve "gotten it" ... :-( It’s been a long time, more than 20 years have passed. There was no range of 800. There were probably 200, 250 and 300 .. Sorry.
  15. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 1 October 2013 13: 31 New
    +3
    Century live and study.
  16. deman73
    deman73 1 October 2013 13: 44 New
    +4
    An excellent article and comparisons of the M-16 Kalash and the three-ruler just to suit, better than the Kalash they haven’t come up with yet and the three-ruler is good especially as a sniper at long distances and the American tried to shoot it completely, maybe in a dash and ideal conditions it’s good but in field full
    1. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 02: 42 New
      0
      As a sniper at long distances, the Mosin Rifle today is Garbage. At 150 meters, you can shoot without aiming. For with that ballistics it will be necessary to aim high in the sky.
      And about what "American" talk that she is shit? He worked with the M-16A3 (A4) - no complaints. Inconvenient in disassembly, assembly, but it can be treated in 20 minutes. 10 times slowly dismantled, assembled and all. Clean-lubricate is not a problem. On failure, the operating time is about 1 failure per 1000 shots. Somewhere like that. What is the problem?
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 2 October 2013 03: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Sergeantpro
        Inconvenient in disassembly, assembly, but it can be treated in 20 minutes.

        And why is it inconvenient in disassembly-assembly? He squeezed out the pin, pulled out the cocking handle, took out the shutter with the shutter frame, removed the shutter, disconnected the apper. No more difficult to disassemble the AK. I can agree that removing the soot while cleaning the shutter is still a pleasure, but not fatal, it is quite possible to shoot two or three ammunition before it starts to shut up.
        Quote: Sergeantpro
        As a sniper at long distances, the Mosin Rifle today is Garbage.

        I can’t agree - if you buy a mosquito with a preliminary caliber gauge, as in principle of any conversion barrel, then it shoots pretty well. The only thing is that it is limited by its sights and the skill of the shooter. The Americans quite successfully shoot from the mosquito for almost a kilometer, though with manually equipped cartridges.
        And given its price, there is simply nothing to compete with it. Having spent about $ 250 on it on a new box from Boyd laminate, bedding, a base for optics and a Timney trigger - a pretty good rifle for accurate shooting will come out.
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 11: 50 New
          +1
          And why is it inconvenient in disassembly-assembly?

          I was uncomfortable when I first took it. Cured for several cycles of "disassemble-assemble"))) By the way, the pin was replaced with a custom one and even the punch-out cartridge did not need steel during this procedure. The only inconvenience is the disassembly of the shutter, but it was comforting that this can be done on the base and not in the fields ...

          quite a good rifle will come out for accurate shooting

          But I did not say that she can’t shoot accurately, mind you))) I said that long distances are bad. This is due to objective reasons. It’s just that the rifle itself and the PSU are outdated to it and do not meet the objectives. Great for accurate shooting at a shooting range or hunting, but for the BZ - there are others.
          1. vanaheym
            vanaheym 2 October 2013 12: 44 New
            +1
            When firing not with a TulAmmo machine-gun cartridge, but with a high-quality, independently equipped one, with a high-quality bullet like Sierra 2315, with a high-quality cartridge case - it shoots beautifully.
            For example, the Americans quite normally shoot at 900 meters handload.
      2. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 2 October 2013 08: 16 New
        +2
        At 150 meters, you can shoot without aiming. For with that ballistics it will be necessary to aim high in the sky.

        Tell it to WWII snipers, expert.
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 11: 41 New
          0
          Show me at least one who, from 1,5 kilometers, has got somewhere except emptiness. Look at the ballistics and everything will become clear.

          There was an error in the original message: not 150, but 1500 meters.
          1. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 21: 43 New
            -1
            But the anti-sniper caliber 12,7 is also complete nonsense, for four kilometers you can’t even get into the head of a ram (like you)! Think what you are talking about! The Mosin rifle was initially designed for a human figure of 600 meters, because without optics, which then could not get into a person for 1000 meters, you can only burst from Maxim, firing 20-30 bullets. They shot at a kilometer, in tests at home, but even in their heads no one could shoot at 800 meters or more on the “human figure”. With a rifle firing at 1500 meters you will die on a march, since such a rifle makes the barrel equal in weight to the entire Mosinka, and the rifle weighs up to 9 kg. without cartridges. To enter the weight parameter of the mass rifle for the army, the SVT made the barrel so thin that in slow motion it is clear that the flame arrester hits when fired, like a whip. A bullet revolving in the barrel along rifles sways the barrel due to its rotation. But the tanks were able to make the trunks thinner, because there are no rifling, and the projectile has a reclining plumage of flight stabilization. But in comparison with the “Leopard” rifled gun, the accuracy of the hit was reduced, but at a distance of more than 3 kilometers. There is no difference closer. To extinguish the buildup of the barrel when the bullet moves along the barrel, you need to make the barrel much thicker. Having left the barrel, the bullet itself begins to “cast” the bottom of the bullet in rotation, that is, the bullet nose is held in the directional direction of the firing direction, and the bottom makes a circular motion with a deviation of 1.5 mm. With a small caliber, the steepness of the cutting decreases, the bullet makes less rotational movements per second, and because of this, the bullet’s bottom deviates from the shooting director to 3 mm, which causes the bullet to tumble when it hits an obstacle, and the more the bullet’s speed drops when it hits the body, the more unstable it becomes, and the greater the drift of the bottom of the bullet, only then the lead insert in the bottom already affects, which can increase the drift of the bottom and thereby increase the outlet. To make such a claim to Mosinka is like blaming her for the absence of explosives in the pool.
            1. vanaheym
              vanaheym 4 October 2013 22: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: shasherin_pavel
              They shot at a kilometer, in tests at home, but even in their heads no one could shoot at 800 meters or more on the “human figure”.

              Literally three posts higher, a man shoots a kilometer in a video from a mosquito.
              Quote: shasherin_pavel
              With a rifle firing at 1500 meters you will die on a march, since such a rifle makes the barrel equal in weight to the entire Mosinka, and the rifle weighs up to 9 kg. without cartridges.

              The Zbroyar Z-008 rifle in the .338LM caliber weighs about 6 kilograms and shoots itself at half a kilometer. AI AW ​​weighs 6.8 kilograms.
              Quote: shasherin_pavel
              With a small caliber, the steepness of the cut decreases,

              The 4 M5.56 automatic rifle has a 1: 9 "cutting pitch, while the 110 M7.62 sniper rifle has a 1:11" cutting pitch. This is if we talk about reducing the steepness of cutting on small calibers.

              In general, in addition to hysterical posts, weapons are familiar to you mainly from the news of this forum.
            2. Sergeantpro
              Sergeantpro 5 October 2013 02: 35 New
              0
              Rifle ORSIS T-5000 (Promtekhnologii), in caliber 338LM they shoot themselves at 1200-1500, especially gifted and much further. Weight less than 6 kg.

              Learn materiel, young man. Nothing out there is a bullet to the “ass”. The trunk cut is cut and if you didn’t kill the cut on the cut, the bullet comes out without a “kookid”, otherwise you won’t even get 300 meters into the chest.
              Regarding the caliber ... Barret 0.50 normally shoots at manpower up to 1200. Barrel processing + sniper PSU. It’s very difficult to shoot further because of the ballistics. There the 408th taxis.
              And it would not hurt you to learn manners.
      3. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 2 October 2013 10: 26 New
        +2
        And what, interestingly, the Red Army snipers laid the Fritz stacks?
        Apparently, the mosquito, which you happened to shoot, at least twenty times worked out its resource.
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 11: 43 New
          0
          The Mosin rifle was good in the early to mid-last century. Now the distance of sniper fire has grown significantly. Ballistics of a cartridge and a barrel do not allow to shoot at such distances.
          1. Slavs69
            Slavs69 2 October 2013 19: 45 New
            +2
            Tell me, and how much has the sniper fire distance grown now? Especially at times? Example: the majority of competitions of sniper pairs of special forces of the Moscow Region, FSB, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are held under the conditions: weapon caliber of not more than 9 mm., The maximum range of offset shooting is most often 500 m. (sometimes, rarely, up to 800m.) Duck, where are the times of increasing range? Comparison with competitions is quite correct, because conducted on the basis of practical tasks. Well, the mountainous and wooded area is generally “its own song” (the distance is 150 meters at best).
            1. Rider
              Rider 2 October 2013 19: 53 New
              0
              Quote: Slavs69
              Tell me, and how much has the sniper fire distance grown now?


              up to 1,5-2km
              thanks to powerful rifles and ammunition.
              I hope we will have such systems.
              1. Slavs69
                Slavs69 2 October 2013 21: 28 New
                +1
                I agree. We have such systems: B-94, OSV-96, KSVK. But these are not massive cases of firing at such ranges.
                1. Rider
                  Rider 2 October 2013 21: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Slavs69
                  But these are not massive cases of firing at such ranges.


                  it is possible, but there is a record of hitting a target (read in a magazine) at a distance of 2,8 km.
                  carried out by a sniper CorpMorPech USA somewhere in Iraq.
                  this technique is put on stream.
                  1. shasherin_pavel
                    shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 22: 15 New
                    0
                    One Fritzevsky tankman in Leningrad stated that in one battle he destroyed 11 T-34s in one battle. Only one trouble, on our part there were swamps, and nothing could be used there heavier than the T-60. On that day, our troops in the attack used 7 T-60 and 2 T-70. At a distance of 2,8 km, only tanks from the Ferdinand cannon could be hit. But it’s one trouble to shoot at such distances at tanks only one barrel weighed 4 tons, our 100 mm anti-tank gun of 1944 weighed so much with an ammunition that hit the Tigers for 2 km in the forehead. Therefore, they could only install it on the Ferdinand platform. But even at Ferdinand, at a distance of a kilometer, the horizontal deviation was 70 mm, and vertically 85 mm with a caliber of 88, per dvkm 200 mm. but you can still shoot at tanks with such a deviation, but at least killing me, at 2.8 km we need to use our 14.5 at least. The book "Conarmia" describes a case when a soldier at night by the fire says to his comrades: Today they will kill me. He came up to the horse and he sniffed me and pinched my ears. "And suddenly he falls. The bullet hit his mouth, although no one even heard the shot. At night, at the maximum range, put it into the Guinness Book of Records in the mouth.
                  2. Slavs69
                    Slavs69 5 October 2013 22: 29 New
                    0
                    And what is the target at a distance of 2,8 km? And on which stream?
                2. Sergeantpro
                  Sergeantpro 3 October 2013 01: 41 New
                  +2
                  Unfortunately, these rifles are not suitable for high-precision shooting at long distances, if only as antimaterial. To defeat manpower over long ranges, they use imported rifles in .338 Lapua Magnum, .300 Win Mag, 0.408, and so on. At the moment, the Russian ORSIS has launched the production of high-precision rifles in all leading calibres, and the quality of their rifles is at the level of the best world.
            2. Lau friend
              Lau friend 6 October 2013 14: 03 New
              0
              There is such a competition - varminting. There are all kinds of rodents. Wort (main target) is very strong on the wound of the beast. And according to the conditions of the competition, even if the target is hit but not represented (there was enough strength in the hole to get in touch), there is a setback. The last record belongs to Gleb Svatikov - 980 meters. In the next competitions I don’t remember the winner, but the distance was about 1600 meters, and he hit the target twice at that distance. Here are YOU and ranges.
          2. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 21: 58 New
            +1
            Even in mathematics, complete illiteracy: at times it is when the distance increases by a degree, that is, (more simply, for the illiterate) a “zero” is attributed to the back. If in 1923 when they began to put their first sights on Mosinka, stopping at the PU: they took a German sight, improved it - upgraded it, and installed a three-line sniper version on it. By the way, the Germans got the PU in 41 and they began to install it on their sniper options, and the Finns after 39 took the PU sight without any changes and used it long after the war. Distracted, with a sniper version they began to hit freestanding figures at 1100 meters ... so now assign to 1100 meters one “Nulik” and get 11 meters, and you write at times! No modern directory has a military rifle hitting a target more than 000 meters. Of course, if you weight the barrel by three kg. use a 1300 mm Magnum bullet and a 9 mm sleeve, and not 70 as ours or 54 as in the German Mauser, then of course! And you can compare the anti-sniper with a small thing 57.
            1. vanaheym
              vanaheym 4 October 2013 22: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: shasherin_pavel
              By the way, the Germans got the PU in 41 and they began to install it on their sniper options

              The Germans, and so it was, that installing on their sniper rifles - the same Zeiss ZF39 or Jena Zielsechs significantly surpassed PU in their qualities.
              Quote: shasherin_pavel
              Distracted, with a sniper version they began to hit freestanding figures at 1100 meters

              Mosin rifle with a good cartridge "Extra" at 1100 meters gives a fall of 22 meters. At 1000 - about 19 meters.
              In the case of manual equipment of cartridges with high-class bullets, these parameters can be improved, but still not everyone is given the dao of mortar firing from a rifle.
              no military rifle hitting a target more than 1300 meters

              Well, yes, the same L96A1 / BT APR338 / Mini-Hecate / Zbroyar Z-008 / Blaser R93 is not the kind of rifle that can shoot 1300 meters.
              1. shasherin_pavel
                shasherin_pavel 5 October 2013 22: 47 New
                0
                more than 1300 is written, so why should I write about 1300 meters. More!
                1. vanaheym
                  vanaheym 6 October 2013 09: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: shasherin_pavel
                  so why should I write about 1300 meters. More!

                  Jim gilliland - 1250M shot from an M24 rifle with a standard cartridge 7.62x51NATO (2005)
                  Cristopher reynolds - a shot at 1853m from the rifle AI L115A3 cartridge .338LM (2009)
                  Craig Harrison - a shot at 2475m from the AI ​​L115A3 .338LM caliber screw (2009)
                  All these are standard NATO sniper rifles
                  1. shasherin_pavel
                    shasherin_pavel 6 October 2013 14: 17 New
                    0
                    "Sniper Rifles" by Jan Hogg p. 19. Sniper rifle Stern. ... with a 6-fold increase calculated for a distance of up to 800 m. At this distance, ten bullets fired from the SSG-69 (in the case of using the RWS Match cartridge) fall into a circle with a diameter of 400 mm.
                    Although the usual Hekler & Koch sniper rifles are reasonably satisfactory for medium-range operations, sometimes it becomes necessary to hit a target that is 800 meters or more, and this requires extremely accurate weapons. That's why the PSG-1 rifle was developed ... the weight of the rifle is 8,1 kg without a sight and bipod. When using selected ammunition, it is normal to hit at a distance of 300 meters of a test group of bullets in a circle with a radius of 80 mm.
                    p. 51. Mauser SR-93. The CP-93 rifle ... when using high-quality ammunition at a distance of 100 meters, puts five bullets in a circle with a diameter of 25 mm.
                    p. 58. The rifle "Galil". The military demanded that when using standard ammunition at a distance of 300 meters, all bullets lay in a circle with a diameter of 12 to 15 cm, at a distance of 600 meters in a circle with a diameter of 30 cm, and the Galil sniper rifle undoubtedly satisfies these requirements. Weight 6 kg with a bipod.
                    p. 88. “Super Magnum” cartridge “Lapua Magnum” 338 (with a designation of 8.6 by 70) (should I focus on the length of the sleeve of 70 mm as opposed to 54 mm of our sleeve.) a bullet weighing 250 grains is inserted, which maintains supersonic speed and after 1200 meters, at a distance of 1000 meters, it has a kinetic energy of 1770 J. and page 122. the Mauser cartridge is 7.92 by 57.
                    Even at a distance of 1000 yards, the bullet conserves energy of the order of 250 Joules, four times more than necessary for a stunning blow.
                    p. "Parker-Hetzl" model 82. In general, a solid rifle is obtained, which according to the manufacturer, with a probability of 99% in good light will hit the target from the first shot at a distance of up to 400 meters.
                    I draw your attention to the fact that this is data for post-war generation rifles, most often store-mounted and not automatic, but even single-shot ones to reduce weight. And not a word about 1500 meters.
            2. Sergeantpro
              Sergeantpro 5 October 2013 02: 45 New
              +1
              Boy, when you attribute "0" - this means in ORDER, and not at times. A textbook for 6th grade to help you.
              1. shasherin_pavel
                shasherin_pavel 5 October 2013 23: 12 New
                0
                Mosin rifle with PU hit the Germans at 1000 meters, Dragunov at 1300 m.
                means "at times" is a difference of 3 times. Once = one hundred meters? In the Sniper Rifles manual, Jan Hogg gives a description of cartridge 7.62 on 54 on page 122, I quote: “but as a powerful rifle ammunition with a long range in his caliber, he does not give way to anyone and the Russians knew what they did when they developed for it his Dragunov rifle. "
                This is a cartridge of 1891 which, for 300 meters, retained the energy of 2167 J. primarch. speeds of 804 m / s., and Mauser 7.92 at 57 - 1972 J. at the beginning. sk. 737 m / s.
                1. vanaheym
                  vanaheym 6 October 2013 10: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: shasherin_pavel
                  Dragunova at 1300 m.

                  At 1300 meters from the SVD, with all its advantages, as a branch support weapon, which at least 20 years ahead of the Americans in this matter, you can shoot only at squares or conduct harassing fire.
                  At a distance of 1300 meters, the speed of approach of the bullet will be about 220m / s, while the time of approach of the bullet will be about 3 seconds.
                  Quote: shasherin_pavel
                  This is a cartridge of 1891 which, for 300 meters, retained the energy of 2167 J. primarch. speeds of 804 m / s., and Mauser 7.92 at 57 - 1972 J. at the beginning. sk. 737 m / s.

                  Expressing such statements, it is necessary to indicate the data of the used cartridge 7.62x54 as well as 7.92x57.
                  If we compare the Extra cartridge 7.62x54 with a bullet weighing 13g and the cartridge 7.92x57 with a bullet weighing 12.6g then the energy of the bullet at 300 meters will be about 2100J for the Extra, with the energy of the 7.92x57 bullet at this distance being about 2146 (+ -50 joules for errors). Something like this.
      4. Gur
        Gur 2 October 2013 14: 00 New
        0
        Probably your rifle and cartridges were dug from the battlefields ...
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 16: 39 New
          +1
          In the comment a typo: not 150, but 1500 meters. There are even no options.
  17. Eugene
    Eugene 1 October 2013 13: 51 New
    +2
    They fired overloaded cartridges. From the "mosquitoes". Nobody remembers what they crammed for gunpowder. In short, the breech, along with the military protrusions in one direction, the barrel in the other. A similar thing could happen in this case. It worked out. True Soviet quality .. .
  18. Taoist
    Taoist 1 October 2013 14: 27 New
    +1
    Remember here not so long ago http://topwar.ru/33627-mify-ob-oruzhii-ak-47-i-ak-74.html
    one "unrecognized genius" tried to prove that "Kalash" is supposedly an "unreliable weapon" wassat
  19. major071
    major071 1 October 2013 14: 53 New
    14
    Here is the translation into English of the first part, you can send to amers, but I think our humor will not reach them.
    M16 - Under a magnifying glass to melt the butt
    AK47 - Under a magnifying glass it is possible to consider still the Vietnamese dirt working instead of greasing
    Three-ruler - Under a magnifying glass it is possible to see KROVIShchU which has impregnated a tree
    M16 - Under a magnifying glass to melt the butt
    AK47 - Under a magnifying glass it is possible to consider still the Vietnamese dirt working instead of greasing
    Three-ruler - Under a magnifying glass it is possible to see KROVIShchU which has impregnated a tree

    M16 - brak when the dirty
    AK47 - Works when the dirty
    The three-ruler - wasn't pure from the moment of delivery in armies in the 1932nd

    M16 - Hundred moving details fastened by tens bolts and screws
    AK47 - Couple of tens moving details withheld by a handful of rivets and ugly seams of the drunk Russian welder
    Three-ruler - three moving details, two screws.

    M16 - You will die rather than you will break the very expensive rifle in the hand-to-hand
    AK47 - Your machine gun it is possible to beat off not bad in hand-to-hand (yet won't bring cartridges)))
    The three-ruler - your rifle is a cool spear with opportunity to do some shooting))

    M16 - if will break baizes, you put in order a rifle on a guarantee plant
    AK47 - if breaks baizes, you stick a nail and continue to shoot))
    The three-ruler - If breaks baizes, you twist it couple turns farther in a lock

    M16 - More difficult in production than many planes
    AK47 - It is used by the countries which have no money for planes
    Three-ruler - From it forced down planes

    Favorite drink of the owner
    M16 - Cognac
    AK47 - Vodka
    Three-ruler - the Brake fluid merged on frozen scrap


    M16 - Does a small hole, everything is accurate, according to the Geneva convention
    AK47 - Does a big hole, sometimes tears off extremities, doesn't correspond to the Geneva convention
    Three-ruler - One of the reasons for creation of the Geneva convention

    M16 - perfectly shoots small rodents
    AK47 - perfectly shoots enemies of revolution
    The three-ruler - perfectly shoots easy equipment

    M16 - having got to the river, ceases to work
    AK47 - having got to the river, all the same shoots
    Three-ruler - having got to the river, it is usually used as an oar

    M16 - The weapon for defense
    AK47 - The weapon for attack
    Three-ruler - the Victory Weapon!

    M16 - Podstvolnik is heavy, but can put the grenade in a window for 200 meters
    AK47 - If that, the grenade from a podstvolnik can be thrown in a window a hand
    Three-ruler - to the Grenade in a window? Beat through a wall, the boss punches brick nearly a meter

    M16 - It is possible to put the muffler, the small boss doesn't give a lot of sound
    AK47 - In principle it is possible to put the muffler, but it is better to press simply enemies to the earth continuous fire
    Three-ruler - Why the muffler when after the first shot all anyway will become deaf?
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 1 October 2013 16: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: major071
      Podstvolnik

      Well, I understood what it was about. Will foreigners understand ???
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 1 October 2013 18: 58 New
        +1
        No, they don’t understand, because they translate with a dictionary.
    2. vanaheym
      vanaheym 1 October 2013 18: 58 New
      +3
      They don’t understand, because the Russian translation is different from what is accepted in the arms conversation with the Americans.
      Quote: major071
      M16 - It is possible to put the muffler, the small boss doesn't give a lot of sound

      1.muffler = / = silencer / suppressor / can
      2. small boss = / = here generally Google has deceived you. Okay, cartridge / shell / charge / case / round.
      Anyway, hardly a man who shot from .223 would laugh at the fact that it was quiet.
      1. major071
        major071 1 October 2013 19: 10 New
        +9
        Do not judge strictly, the translator lied, in general, I only spree in German. Just looked what happens. wassat Then he neighing when my son translated that Google translated. laughing
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 2 October 2013 00: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: vanaheym
        They don’t understand, because the Russian translation is different from what is accepted in the arms conversation with the Americans.
        Quote: major071
        M16 - It is possible to put the muffler, the small boss doesn't give a lot of sound

        1.muffler = / = silencer / suppressor / can
        2. small boss = / = here generally Google has deceived you. Okay, cartridge / shell / charge / case / round.
        Anyway, hardly a man who shot from .223 would laugh at the fact that it was quiet.

        Bold plus, sorry I can’t deliver 100500 pluses.
      3. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 2 October 2013 10: 28 New
        +2
        The problem is that in the Russian language there is often a subtext that is missing in other languages
    3. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 1 October 2013 22: 00 New
      0
      Quote: major071
      Three-ruler

      wahaha))))
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 2 October 2013 00: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: major071
      Here is the translation into English of the first part, you can send to amers, but I think our humor will not reach them.

      With a normal translation, humor would have reached. But computer translation, let’s say so because of the impossibility of using profanity, leaves much to be desired. I could hardly make out - this is with fluency in Russian and after reading the original.
    5. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 2 October 2013 12: 25 New
      +1
      The list presented by Georges is the Amerov version. Other comparisons there were purely with Amer’s humor.
  20. MASTER
    MASTER (MPS) 1 October 2013 15: 18 New
    +2
    I heartily laughed thanks.
  21. duchy
    duchy 1 October 2013 16: 04 New
    +2
    Class good +. major071 send this to Voice of America (http://www.golos-ameriki.ru/russian/news). Can read. lol
  22. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 1 October 2013 16: 11 New
    +5
    Three-line - You can chop wood with a bayonet.
    And how to chop wood with a triangular bayonet? Tell me the know-how.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 1 October 2013 16: 41 New
      +9

      something like that))))
      I have a house with stoves, so I have to chop wood with a motor and a cleaver, in the cold, a trihedral bayonet will easily pass for a cleaver))))
      Burning wood in a stove - a microclimate is created in the house, the healthiest for the human body, there is practically no dust, children do not get sick (I judge from my own experience)) you feel good yourself and housework trains both body and spirit)))
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 1 October 2013 17: 45 New
        +1
        Live and learn!!! He invented or spied where? No offense! Great !!!
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 2 October 2013 10: 31 New
        +1
        Man, is the cone smooth or knurled?
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 6 October 2013 18: 36 New
      0
      [how to chop firewood with a triangular bayonet? Tell me the know-how. [/ Quote]
      For your information, the bayonet of the Mosin treinear rifle was tetrahedral.
  23. Stalingrad
    Stalingrad 1 October 2013 16: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: Gato
    By the way, Kalash also spits if 4-5 stores are landed without a break, but after a few minutes it comes back to normal.

    At one time, at a company check, shot from two AK-74US. He began to spit when the company shot and the inspector began to shoot. A simple calculation of 12X100: 30: 2 = 20 stores. Taking into account the time to change the tested - an excellent result for the machine.
    1. Gato
      Gato 1 October 2013 18: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Stalingrad
      Taking into account the time to change the tested - an excellent result for the machine.

      Yes, especially for Ksenia.
      I meant shooting 4-5 stores in one line each. They shot from three AKS-74s: one started spitting at 5 stores, the second at 6, the third at 7.
  24. zavesa01
    zavesa01 1 October 2013 16: 28 New
    +2
    They didn’t try it themselves, but in the “soldier of fortune” they read that to increase the penetration ability of a 5.45 bullet when shooting single-handedly behind a brickwork (in the absence of SVD), the following was used. One end of the knitting wire was tightly screwed to the trunk; on the other, a loop was made. The cartridge was sent to the chamber, a loop was thrown on the handle of the slide frame so that the sleeve would not be ejected and produce a single shot. (Recharging is accordingly manual.) It was written that it is very effective. Something to try at the training ground somehow does not reach the hands.
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 1 October 2013 22: 43 New
      0
      And what is the deep meaning of this magical event, given the fact that the bolt frame begins to retreat almost when the bullet leaves the barrel?
      1. Sergeantpro
        Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 00: 40 New
        0
        Yes, a pointless exercise. When the cat has nothing to do ...))
      2. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 4 October 2013 22: 21 New
        0
        In this case, less gas enters the gas chamber. the piston does not move back. But you can ruin a weapon.
  25. NOMAD
    NOMAD 1 October 2013 17: 30 New
    +6
    All the same, AKA is the property of the engineering mind of mankind! In Afghanistan, the Americans are carrying their M16 in plastic bags! And in between, smart racers have their own AKA in reserve, it's like a lifeline! As they say on the M16, hope, but have your AKA! Because M16 in the sand wedges! But AKA, the Mujahideen take out their sand, shake it, and they’re ready for battle, clean their shoes with shoelaces! Cheaper and cheerful! Designer General Kalashnikov should be given a Nobel Prize for an automatic, otherwise they’ll give anyone any different !!!
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 1 October 2013 23: 11 New
      0
      Quote: NOMAD
      In Afghanistan, the Americans are carrying their M16 in plastic bags! And in between, smart racers have their own AKA in reserve, it's like a life buoy!

      Do not read Soviet newspapers at night, they spoil digestion. Nobody wears an AK stock either in Afghanistan or in Iraq. Even if we consider the battle for Vanat, in which from 200 to 500 Taliban were annealed against 48 Americans, and which is one example of the unreliability of American weapons, then these guys began to refuse M4 after shooting from 600 to 900 rounds of ammunition for half an hour.
      Hardly anything else would show much better results.
      Well, a little video about the unreliability of the M4, even with a standard DI system.
      1. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 2 October 2013 13: 11 New
        +3
        But did you look carefully at the fact that in all experiments the muzzle was constantly closed by a protective cap, is it known that the parts of the AR-15 are fitted tightly and the shutter also closes with a shutter? In fact, experiments with burying and drowning are just bullshit.
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 2 October 2013 14: 11 New
          -2
          It’s probably closed because no one is interested in shooting both AK and AR-15 with their barrel covered with sand for their salary. And the lid - well, it’s in all Arches, they won’t break it off specially to show it to someone.
          Well, although, by the way, there is without a stub and even without a fore-end.


      2. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 2 October 2013 13: 20 New
        +2
        with the explosion, too, it was somehow far-fetched, the column did not lose its virgin whiteness and did not peel off, and why did they blow it up if the trunk was covered with something? Throwing on a concrete floor and earth from a man’s height is generally ridiculous, my Galaxy-s1 didn’t crash under such conditions, and if a military weapon broke like that it would be a complete kapets. Throwing from a vert, too, bullshit here will depend on how the weapon falls (if flat then any weapon will not care). So I rephrase you - Do not watch American advertising at night, it spoils the perception of the world.
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 2 October 2013 14: 25 New
          0
          An explosion in which the Aimpoint Micro T-1 sight collapses, with which you can safely dive up to 20 meters - guaranteed would not leave the shooter a chance to fire further.
          And about advertising - I own a Ukrainian-made Zbroyar Z-15 rifle (and a Rem700 bolt mount) and roughly represent the reliability of this platform, assembled from the right quality components.
          1. Ded_smerch
            Ded_smerch 2 October 2013 15: 49 New
            +1
            “An explosion in which the Aimpoint Micro T-1 sight collapses, with which you can safely dive up to 20 meters - it would be guaranteed that you wouldn’t leave a chance to shoot further” if you have evidence that he was standing there or you believe in everything that they showed then what are you better than those who believe that Amer’s weapon is a glass vase that is good only on the table at home? I’ll repeat from the video that it’s special. advertising, advertising allows hanging noodles on the ears (even if light). Not the number of attempts (takes), the number of trunks that they brought to the shooting are not known to you, but how amers know how to embellish is no longer a military secret.
      3. Timeout
        Timeout 2 October 2013 14: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: vanaheym
        then these guys their M4 began to fail after shooting from 600 to 900 rounds of ammunition for half an hour.

        You dear again about what you even suspect? I remember your koment to my post about SuperTack ... 600 rounds of 20 rounds, this time. The standard Koltovo store has a weak spring, so you can’t keep them equipped for more than 2 two days, it is fraught with one big delay and according to US ARMY instructions it is simply forbidden. So the ammunition in the warehouse is clearly just for equipment. The following is a translation of an article from "NY times":
        The death of nine soldiers in Afghanistan explained by the unreliability of American weapons

        An independent study showed that the failure of American weapons was one of the reasons why the US Army suffered significant losses during the battle in the Wanat village of Afghanistan in the summer of 2008, the Associated Press reports. The report, compiled by Douglas Kubbison (Douglas Cubbison) of the Combat Studies Institute of the US Army (Combat Studies Institute, CSI), is not available for public access, but some journalists have already been able to get a copy of it.

        The battle in the area of ​​the village of Vanat occurred on July 13, 2008. Nine American soldiers died in a shootout with gunmen. Another 27 soldiers were injured. The attack involved about 200 people. They were armed with AK-47 assault rifles and hand grenade launchers.

        Douglas Kabbison interrogated the participants of the battle, and found out that American rifles often failed, especially when they were in fully automatic mode. According to one of the military Eric Phillips (Erich Phillips), when the rebels surrounded the base, his automatic carbine M4 stopped shooting. He tried to shoot back with a machine gun, but he also failed.

        Chris McKaig, who also took part in the shootout, noted that his M4 overheated about half an hour after the start of the battle. Because of this, he could not reload the rifle and had to drop it.

        In addition, the military complained about the unreliability of the M249 light machine guns, which have a rate of fire up to 750 rounds per minute. Corporal Jason Bogar managed to fire about 600 shots, after which his weapon went out of order due to overheating. Bogar died during the shootout, however, as noted in the report, no one saw what caused his death.

        The M4 carbine is based on the M16A2 rifle. It has a shortened barrel and a telescopic butt. The carbine was adopted by the U.S. Army in 1994. Currently in operation is approximately 500 thousand M4.

        In recent years, the rifle is often criticized for its low reliability. In particular, the M4 is inferior in the number of total failures to the XM8, HK416, and SCAR machines. In May 2008, representatives of the US Congress, the Pentagon and defense companies called for a refusal to purchase these carbines on a non-competitive basis. It is assumed that this will make it possible to choose the best automatic rifle currently best for the American army.

        So dear, do not distort!
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 2 October 2013 14: 49 New
          -1
          Quote: Timeout
          So dear, do not distort!

          Unlike you, dear, I used the open source in English issued by the US Army CALL, and not from Wikipedia texts.
          This document describes in detail who, where, where and how many shots.
          It is to the credit of the Chosen soldiers that they maintained at least fire parity from the COP. To achieve this, the 2nd Platoon soldiers were firing their weapons “cyclic,” on full automatic at the highest possible rates of fire. As a result, numerous soldiers experienced weapons malfunctions, just as Staff Sergeant Phillips had faced at the mortar pit.


          started laying down about 800-1,000 rounds at the bazaar and wood line around the mosque. Specialist ... then fired a SMAW-D and AT-4 at the same time at the bazaar


          “My weapon was overheating. I had shot about 12 magazines by this point already and it had only been about a half hour or so into the fight. I couldn't charge my weapon and put another round in because it was too hot, so I got mad and threw my weapon down. ” McKaig reached for Ayers' rifle, only to discover that it was also out of service, as it had taken an AK-47 round directly through the receiver.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 2 October 2013 15: 17 New
            0
            Dear, two times "Ha ha." Especially this one:
            As a result, numerous soldiers experienced weapons malfunctions

            Looks like you are in English, as I am in Congolese. And what happened to all the fighters? And who is there in the grave? And do not say that this is your quote. How many stores did the fighter release when the weapon failed?
            I had shot about 12 magazines

            Learn English and materiel, dear.
            1. vanaheym
              vanaheym 2 October 2013 17: 01 New
              -2
              I just know the materiel. Or do you, dear, want to say that after shooting 12 stores within half an hour from AK, nothing will happen to him?
    2. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 00: 48 New
      +5
      In Afghanistan, the Americans are carrying their M16 in plastic bags! And in between, smart racers have their own AKA in reserve, it's like a life buoy!


      The US Army soldiers are forbidden by the charter to use non-standard weapons, as well as to store them. All cases of violation of these paragraphs are investigated and awesome penalties are imposed. Fur seals, berets and all sorts of deltas also do not bother, but rather they work with M-4, H&K, SCAR, etc. For they do not need all this nafig. There are exceptions for specialists, but it is extremely rare. Numerous photos with AKM, etc. - just ape on camera.
      1. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 2 October 2013 13: 23 New
        +1
        but this is true, and all the talk that they wear in their underwear is a fantasy.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 6 October 2013 02: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Sergeantpro
        The US Army soldiers are forbidden by the charter to use non-standard weapons, as well as to store them. All cases of violation of these paragraphs are investigated and awesome penalties are imposed.

        Do you say penalties? ...
        And if LIFE depends on whether or not a weapon fires at a critical moment ???
        No circulars or prescriptions can overturn realities.
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 6 October 2013 10: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          And if LIFE depends on whether or not a weapon fires at a critical moment ???
          No circulars or prescriptions can overturn realities.

          I was specifically interested in the direct participants of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan on the AR-15.COM website - absolutely everyone told me that the only people who used AK were special groups who worked in local clothes (And they preferred to work with with your weapon, not with AK). The M4 has sufficient reliability for warfare, and certainly it is enough for the firing of ammunition. It is quite different from the XM16E1, which was used in Vietnam.
          The bulk of the people who use AK / Tabuk / Vz58 in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighters of all PMCs.
  26. zub46
    zub46 1 October 2013 17: 34 New
    0
    From my own experience about Kalashnikov: in March 1970, in less than a day in a firing range, I shot a box (two zinc) of cartridges from my AKM. For some reason, after firing, he did not pour grease into the bolt, the gas chamber and the barrel, and did nothing to service the weapons at all. The automatic machine lay for another two days in a warm carriage. A nimble conductor, around whom (I repent!) Performed some ritual dances, she stuck: "Let me shoot!" In the vestibule, an attempt to divert the mash frame by hand failed. Under the force of the sole of the boot she succumbed and she returned to her place. Further, without any delays, the machine worked in queues as new. Kalashnikov, however!
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  28. Des10
    Des10 1 October 2013 17: 45 New
    +3
    “We look, and this is not a bullet at all, but a lead shirt and a steel core from a bullet. So the steel shell from the bullet remained in the barrel. - In <! - filter: -> damn <! - / filter -> ... "
    Isn't the shell made of copper alloy? And the rest is cool. Article + :)
    1. Kolovrat77
      Kolovrat77 1 October 2013 18: 08 New
      +1
      We precisely made steel tracers from them. Crosses were made of them, and I didn’t make out the usual ones (reds) in the pit either from the blue, I don’t know.
    2. vanaheym
      vanaheym 1 October 2013 22: 37 New
      +1
      Copper-plated steel
  29. Technologist
    Technologist 1 October 2013 17: 46 New
    +1
    Informative and funny, well done author.
  30. Gato
    Gato 1 October 2013 17: 48 New
    +7
    From my own experience I know that our inquisitive and inquisitive l / s (to whom "the mind gave crooked hands, hooks") is able to break even the Kalash.
    He (the staff) is interested in what will happen if:
    - shoot in the water;
    - shoot with a ramrod;
    - cram into the chamber AK-47 rifle cartridge 7.62x54
    - whether the AK-47 can shoot a 5.45 cartridge or a pistol 7.62 from a TT
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 1 October 2013 20: 10 New
      +1
      after the polegon, Erik idle (so as not to pour boiling water) the normal phenomenon, the main thing is that the foreman does not burn at this time
    2. PiP
      PiP 1 October 2013 23: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Gato
      I know from my own experience that our inquisitive and inquisitive l / s (to whom "the mind gave crooked hands-hooks") is able to break even the Kalash. He (the staff) is interested in what happens if: - shoot in the water; - shoot ramrod; - shove a rifle cartridge 47x7.62 into the chamber of the AK-54; will the AK-47 be able to fire a 5.45 cartridge or a pistol 7.62 from the TT

      So that this would not be, there are "fathers commanders" who clearly show what will happen (without bringing to the absurdity of "personal experiments"). Example: blank cartridge 5,45 (white bullet 7x3). So that the “sailors” wouldn’t want to point at each other the “Avtik” with the equipped (albeit single) store (EVERYONE THINKS THOUGHT TEACHING IS A WAR PLAY GAME in the yard). KomVzvoda, collected drugs in a "circle" and showed what would happen if between the cut of the barrel and the muzzle brake compensator put 15 kopek coin. The result is a “tag” pierced through, and when shooting idle, I personally shot a machine gun to the sky. wink
  31. Admiral 013
    Admiral 013 1 October 2013 18: 06 New
    +1
    Respect to the author for the article! Very interesting and informative! Glory to the Russian gunsmiths !!!
  32. snaip15
    snaip15 1 October 2013 18: 28 New
    11
    Hello everyone. Something similar happened on SVD. A long time ago, colleagues from France came from RAID. We went with them to the quarry to shoot, talk, share experience. Weapons, at that time, we had SVD and my MC 13, converted into a sniper. I strained with ammunition, found a 7,62x53 half shell (civilian version for hunting), it is not known where it was stored, what year. We started shooting ... MTs-13 eats any cartridge (I know from practice) and in this the case was all right. And the SVDs didn’t digest these cartridges very much, they didn’t eject the cartridge case after one or two shots. The problem was solved simply .Disconnect the store, pull the shutter .... click ... The shutter is closed, you manually distort and the sleeve flies out. And one of the LEDs jammed after the shot. The shutter didn’t open .... What we didn’t do ... The French our eyes climbed and the lower jaw drooped .... We tried to open the shutter with our foot (heel), and with small cobblestones, removed the optics (sorry) and tried to touch the shutter with our butt on the ground. No way! Then I took off the shutter lid and pulled out the shutter spring and cobblestone through a piece of wood somehow opened the shutter, which threw the sleeve. Thank God, it turned out. instinctively looking into the barrel, I didn’t see the gap ... A bullet in the barrel! And the translator translates everything that we do. The French, having learned that the bullet in the barrel, they say, all this rifle shot its own, and you supposedly almost raped it ... Well, yes, yes ... SCHCHSCHAAASSS, it’s not like that. We, who were born in the USSR and served in the Soviet Army! I take a cartridge, I take out a bullet with a multitool knife, I make a plug from a piece of paper, I put it into a sleeve on Gunpowder. I squeeze it carefully with pliers, I drive it into the trunk .... Bang-bang .... The check showed the barrel is clean .... That's how the problem was defeated. The French said they knew, they say, Soviet ie weapons not killed, but so to solve the problem .... And when they learned that my MP-13, 55-year manufacturing and runs like clockwork, all were stunned.
    That's the story.
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 1 October 2013 22: 29 New
      0
      Well, what is this indicator? Americans, too, are sweeping out over SCS and trilinear. This says only one thing - that they cost about like a bottle of good whiskey, you can kill. The French would have really gone nuts if this attitude would have been to some kind of trunk like TRG-42 for his money.
    2. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 01: 16 New
      0
      Well ... The whole story only speaks of the lack of a weapon handling culture.
      And it's not a rifle, but a cartridge. If that cartridge had been hit not in the SVD, but in the MC, the bullet in the barrel would also have remained if the barrel had not been shot to the hollow there, and would have been delayed with the sleeve.
    3. avia12005
      avia12005 2 October 2013 04: 35 New
      0
      I also had about the TT 1939 Guards. He took a bullet from the barrel with a hammer and ramrod from AKM. and after that from three - 29 !!!
  33. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 1 October 2013 20: 30 New
    +3
    I felt that this would end, but I did not believe. Kapets! Respect !!!
  34. akm8226
    akm8226 1 October 2013 20: 42 New
    +4
    The first thought, after reading the first part of the article - why not shoot a bullet? Take out a bullet, plug a cartridge with a piece of paper, send it and bang - and that's all. Then the chef did so.
    Then I read the article ... it turns out I'm not the only one so smart.)))
  35. akm8226
    akm8226 1 October 2013 20: 44 New
    +1
    Yes - many years to Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 2 October 2013 11: 50 New
      +1
      ... and the entire weapons team he led
  36. Captain45
    Captain45 1 October 2013 21: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Knizhnik
    M16 - Under the magnifying glass, the butt melts
    AK47 - Under the magnifying glass you can see the Vietnamese mud still working instead of grease
    Three-line - Under the magnifying glass you can see the impregnated tree BLOOD

    I do not want to belittle the dignity of the respected Asgard, but this post was cited by me last year when discussing an article about AK, unfortunately I just can’t give the article and date, but I pointed out that the post was not mine and was copied from the InosMI website. Link to unfortunately, he didn’t save it. Therefore, Asgard can fill up with cognac, even brakish, but he won’t come up with a sequel. This is, by the way, for historical justice.
  37. vanaheym
    vanaheym 1 October 2013 23: 37 New
    -1
    In general, this article seems to me a few from a series of tales about sturgeon, as a friend and I tried three years ago to shoot subsonic cartridges (having dispensed gunpowder) from the Ukrainian Vulkan-T carbine (Naked - AKS-74). Already at a half charge of gunpowder, automation ceases to work for him, and a light bullet from about 10 meters enters the target sideways, ceasing to stabilize. In general, the experience was recognized as failed.
    And I don’t believe in this:
    We look, and this is not a bullet at all, but a lead shirt and a steel core from a bullet

    since I know how the 5N7 bullet works, I don’t believe that it can be beaten out like that.
    1. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 01: 19 New
      0
      Just written to be written. The fact that this is a "plop" will understand only a knowledgeable person)))
  38. cstorf
    cstorf 1 October 2013 23: 46 New
    -20
    Every Friday we hold a mini tournament for skins. In order not to miss it - join our groups in social networks.
    Our game server is installed on a powerful machine that allows you to play without any delays, lags or twitches.
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  39. Slavs69
    Slavs69 1 October 2013 23: 51 New
    +7
    Unpleasant memories. But relate to the strength of AK. August 2001 Kurchaloevsky district. Change l \ s from the block, in the Urals. Exploding a landmine, the capsule from the side, as a dumping bucket, capsized, the frame reared under the tank, there was no roof on the capsule. The guys scattered. From the green stuff "boil" began. Zhenya (the former Airborne Forces) in the heat of battle shoots the store for green, then they dragged the wounded behind the car. Help came up from the commandant’s office. Zhenya comes up, shows AKMS, I have a nervous laugh - the frame butt is in an arc, there is no pistol grip, the aim bar is trying to show the distance to the left. Seryoga “Long” fits, or rather podshkandybal, shows his own: there is no receiver cover and the butt of the zyuzy is also turned out, he was shot too. So ....
    1. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 01: 28 New
      0
      The framework butt began to be done only on the AKS-74.

      And the damage after the explosion and the coup ... In fact, you need to be more sane in assessing the strength of weapons. I can easily turn the range bar with my fingers, and the AKMS butt from two rods is designed mainly for longitudinal load. He had AKMS as the 2nd weapon (until he changed it to AKSU) for several years. There were no failures or failures.
      1. Slavs69
        Slavs69 2 October 2013 20: 19 New
        +2
        "In fact, you have to be more sane in assessing the strength of weapons." -This is what other sanity should be for a given strength assessment? I gave an example of only two out of ten weapons involved in that “space flight” (two more units were in a deplorable state). The conversation was not about what can be rolled up with fingers on the AKMS, but about the fact that, given the conditions that led to the damage, he did not fail.
        "There were no breakdowns or failures." -and what kind of breakdowns should be with the regular use of serviceable weapons?
        1. Sergeantpro
          Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 20: 28 New
          +1
          Heh ... I apparently read inattentively. Thought "offended" that AKMS mutilated))). Actually, he himself sometimes saw how the fighters had to fight with "mutilated weapons. And where to go."
          1. Slavs69
            Slavs69 2 October 2013 21: 34 New
            +1
            What grudges are there? Opinion exchange.....
  40. ran nearby
    ran nearby 2 October 2013 00: 57 New
    +1
    I wonder why when heated to yellow, the metal did not "let go"
  41. Konsmo
    Konsmo 2 October 2013 01: 18 New
    +2
    All this is garbage.
    Somehow, on Saturday, after studying Kalashnikov, urgently needed to move forward to unload the machines.
    Collected Kalash left to install a ramrod.

    I didn’t succeed badly, he was a little skewed and he was sticking out strongly for the trunk.
    Without hesitation, his palm hammered it all the way as much as possible.
    Hand over the weapon.
    The deputy politician inquired who collected Kalashnikov, well, I confessed.
    The deputy politician called Komroty together, they tried for a long time to pull out the ramrod. In parallel, telling who I am. I’m not really practicing hard, otherwise I would crossword puzzles with those who were on duty on duty then, I got into crosswords before this school .. I couldn’t, dragged to the headquarters to look for some kind of instrument.
    Then they said that they gave somewhere where with the help of a workbench the ramrod was pulled out.
    I’m from the palm of my hand.
    And in general, why is the building machine automatic. When it is full of shovels.
    Pampering it. fellow
  42. vanaheym
    vanaheym 2 October 2013 03: 26 New
    0
    By the way, this is what the “unreliable" AR-15 (semi-automatic M-16) looks like after firing 15000 rounds without cleaning. After that, as many shots were fired from it without cleaning.
    All delays during the shooting occurred due to the fault of Wolf cartridges with which she was tortured.



    1. Sergeantpro
      Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 11: 59 New
      +1
      Probably still not 15000, maybe you wrote the wrong number, but you can see that a lot of it. In addition, the AR-15 still differs from the M-16 and for failure works much longer, because it has not acquired those sores that are characteristic of army rifles.
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 2 October 2013 12: 53 New
        0
        This is a rifle after 15000 thousand shots during the "Filthy-14" test.
        The Americans shot the rifle for slaughter with Wolf ammunition in order to understand how long it will live.
        A total of 31165 rounds were shot. The bolt was wiped after 6450 shots. The ejector spring was changed after 13010 shots. Two bolt hooks broke after 16400 shots. The ejector and the ejector spring were changed after 24450 shots. The rifle was cleaned after 28905 shots.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 2 October 2013 14: 55 New
          +7
          Again, another fake, for 4000 after being shot by the gross Remington, the gas outlet channel in the knee area is completely clogged up, the pipe just has to be changed! And 100% sure after Wolf it should happen in 1 thousand! Everything shown in the photo occurs after the shooting by 3 hundred Wolfs. Do not mislead the people, you are clearly crippled by the books of Cruise. And yet, Russian-made cartridges are currently swept from the shelves of the US ormagas within a day after they go on sale, and buyers do not complain. After trying to tighten the law on the sale and possession of weapons, the prices on the market thoroughly rose ... You should not promote the “big black rifle” where everyone thoroughly knows that they haven’t come up with a better AK!

          Shutter after shooting of one store of 20 "Remington"!
          1. vanaheym
            vanaheym 2 October 2013 15: 03 New
            -4
            Quote: Timeout
            And 100% sure after Wolf it should happen in 1 thousand! Everything shown in the photo occurs after the shooting by 3 hundred Wolf

            As a serial owner, first Norinka, then Z-15, I guarantee that with a wolf for 1000 it does not litter to death. At three hundred Wolf, she begins the formation of black garbage on the shutter.
            Well, and of course it is, yes, a fake documented by SWAT Magazine, one of the main sources of fakes.

            Quote: Timeout
            After trying to tighten the law on the sale and possession of weapons, market prices rose substantially

            Retail prices, taking into account the increase in prices, are still lower than in retail in Russia or Ukraine, I posted below.
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 2 October 2013 15: 37 New
              +3
              Dear, you can put cotton in the ears of anyone, but not me. I am 100% sure that you do not shoot more than 150 rounds at a time and spend at least 500 hryvnias on it. And clean the barrel every time after the shooting, otherwise everyone will think that you have a wife, the daughter of a millionaire.
              I do not need to guarantee anything, you still didn’t shoot more than me. And I understand US prices much better than you, because I regularly fly through Chicago. And I don’t think SWAT Magazine is anything special, Knezek is much closer and more authoritative to me.
              1. vanaheym
                vanaheym 2 October 2013 17: 01 New
                -1
                Quote: Timeout
                you never shot me anymore

                The main warrior of the entire Internet?
                1. Timeout
                  Timeout 3 October 2013 13: 14 New
                  +1
                  You showed your knowledge of the subject quite clearly. It’s immediately obvious that you simply don’t even try to read your opponent’s posts and simply delve into. For me, you are a real Google-warrior who constantly relies on Old information drawn from an Internet. Attempts to post quotes from the USA Army Calls even without trying to translate in any translator and claim that it was read in the original, at least looks stupid. And if you are the owner of an emka, try to drip a drop of a drop of grease in a gas chamber and try to shoot at least 100 rounds and then aim your show off.
                  1. lucidlook
                    lucidlook 4 October 2013 01: 00 New
                    0
                    Count stores:

                    1. Timeout
                      Timeout 5 October 2013 06: 23 New
                      +2
                      Upload this video to the video editor, and look at the gaps in the video sequence, 1 and 5 stores complete replay at 10 and 12 store the frame breaks, and after another counted 8 inserts. So, stupid installation.
                      1. lucidlook
                        lucidlook 6 October 2013 02: 18 New
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                        Maybe you say that they poured kerosene on this occasion? You can compare only one way - along the path of the cartridges. You, I hope, did just that, right?
                    2. SlavaP
                      SlavaP 6 October 2013 00: 41 New
                      0
                      In my opinion, a colleague, this is M4 and not AR-15.
                      1. lucidlook
                        lucidlook 6 October 2013 02: 26 New
                        0
                        Quite rightly noted, this is really an M4. Moreover, as it seems to me - this is not anyhow any, but previously very well prepared for just such a video. Therefore, I believe that both those who say that the M4 / AR-15 are wedging at the 10th store and those who say that this does not happen are right. The main thing is to try to refrain from using words such as "always" and "never" in such statements. wink
                      2. vanaheym
                        vanaheym 6 October 2013 10: 55 New
                        0
                        Moreover, the M4 with the installed piston mechanism loses all the shortcomings of the standard DI system (clogging of the shutter box, the possibility of melting the gas tube under intense automatic fire, the possibility of kabum). Although - for civilian semi-automatic machines this is absolutely not critical.
      2. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 6 October 2013 14: 31 New
        0
        And what is the minus? Do not understand! You are only to blame for what I want to eat! Normal information, useful when you consider that SVT did not experience 27 shots without lubrication, it’s hard to imagine that owls. the rifle will be broken after 000. I remove the minutes of vanaheym, as not deserved.
  • Vinchenso
    Vinchenso 2 October 2013 04: 28 New
    -13
    Honestly - it was funny to read about the reliability of Kalashnikov and the allegedly unreliability of American weapons.
    It seems that people reflecting on this topic have never held weapons in their hands.
    :)

    The universal does not exist by definition .. For example, some Swiss militia for defense in the conditions of tight infrastructure - nafig didn’t drink AK-47, but for waging a civil war in Siberia, a showdown of the Colombian drug mafia or tribal massacre in Zaire is better than cheap stamping AKM for 50 primitive countries - nothing. The honorable role of weapons of mass murder of civilians - Kalashnikov has traditionally been ahead since the time of the Rwanda genocide, where types like Bout - successfully brought these stocks of Soviet times.
    Someone accelerates for pride with a life of 60 years. Someone who probably clearly does not plan to live a maximum of 60 minutes in a global conflict.
    Someone spoke about sand in M4. Pffff.
    What the hell is it for an American soldier who has a shower, Internet and a coffee maker in combat conditions to keep his machine gun in the sand? In terms of accuracy, accuracy of fire and other qualities important in real use in conditions of limited combat operations, Kalash loses to most modern Western models. And among the militants and all kinds of African and Chechen thugs - yes, of course, Kalash is beyond competition. If they sharpened it under it, then the designer did well.
    :)
    In general, modern Russian weapons have one very, very significant drawback. Intelligent defense engineers - have long been dumped to the West. Only pensioners remained in the country, to whom the demon was already undermining somewhere. And those that remained - they are trying to endow the weapon with all the qualities possible. Trying to create an almost sniper rifle, carbine and machine gun - all in one weapon. While the Americans are using what is more suitable for combat. I'm not talking about the individualization of weapons, alluding to the fact that in the hands of Valuev and in the hands of Plushenko some - the same gun will shoot absolutely differently. And then all sorts of Picatinny railings are already entering into battle, completely fitting the weapon under even the most curved-armed fighter.
    1. Vinchenso
      Vinchenso 2 October 2013 04: 29 New
      -10
      Moreover, unlike Russia, the United States does not look at the country of production of weapons, but at its characteristics. That is why the US Army, instead of shouting about patriotic pride for the best American weapons, is not shy about purchasing Italian pistols, Belgian machine guns, etc. In the United States, the Secretary of Defense is not forcing to support a domestic manufacturer, but forcing him to extract maximum efficiency from weapons. Even if you have to buy imported samples.
      So far, in Russia this has been turned almost into clowning. I happened to be at the Super SWAT International Round-Up in Florida. I saw your Alpha. I will not comment on the fact how shamefully Russia acted - by sending the best POLICE special forces - the security forces of ELITE SPECIAL SERVICES (already God be with you - if you cannot compete honestly, you did the same with the Universiade - apparently you had no chance to compete honestly Yes, and the competition was focusing on police special forces - because no country in the world would have driven their elite fighters to the US Embassy - merge their personal information upon receipt of a visa, revealing their identities. But P ssia - I guessed And instead of that would compete with the French legion, Delta Force, etc. -. competed with Miami Police Department riot police and special forces of the French Parisian gendarmes and the soldiers looked at the Alpha and twisted his finger to his temple).. But it was simply ridiculous to watch how before the photo shoot - the soldiers quickly threw their AR-15, took Kalashi in their arms - and posed with them in front of the television cameras.
      I also remember Alpha in Belarus when Putin flew in, when I drove for the cordon along the Grodno-Minsk highway, and every 100 meters through one - there were employees of Diamond and Alpha - even without a gram of Russian. Neither equip, nor weapons.
      Kalashnikov is a good weapon. But he is very far from western models.
      1. Ferocious Bambra
        Ferocious Bambra 2 October 2013 07: 48 New
        +2
        "... but for the civil war in Siberia ..."
        WHERE YOU WERE BORN
        1. Vinchenso
          Vinchenso 2 October 2013 21: 15 New
          0
          In Belarus.
          :)
          1. Ferocious Bambra
            Ferocious Bambra 3 October 2013 02: 39 New
            +2
            Clearly, the nationalist fled to the usa. You sleep and see Russia in a fire of fire.
            Judging by the amount of text you wrote, you obviously have nothing to do ... or maybe it's your job.
            And if so, then we will communicate under other circumstances, and there we will check that it is more reliable: AK or a coffee maker with Internet access;)
      2. kenig1
        kenig1 2 October 2013 11: 13 New
        +4
        Super SWAT International Round-Up and what to send there? Although you can Sp. GRU to send the same ass tore your ovskie clowns, your rotten Delta Force failed all operations)).
        1. Vinchenso
          Vinchenso 2 October 2013 21: 24 New
          -1
          If yes if only.
          It was necessary to send, not to disgrace.
          And then I remember a similar situation - when the amateur hockey team of Lukashenko played a friendly match in Sochi with Russia. And when on the Belarusian side - professional hockey players from the major league began to wear amateur shirts and go out on the ice - not only did the media stink for a month about how Belarusians dishonestly play, it also disqualified the team.
          And this despite the fact that Russia itself is cheating in the same way. Now at the SWAT Championship, then at the Universiade. It is ugly simple.
          Further. Do not expose yourself yap please, comrade. Delta Force failed only Operation Eagle Claw.
          For comparison - GRU officers failed at one time to throw on Pristina. I talked with a man once who participated in this operation. She says that she is ashamed of her. In fact, he says, not only was our presence there useless (what was the use of taking a position - and praying that tanks would not open fire at us, because an airfield is the worst reinforcement position you can imagine). They only created the illusion that Russian troops could protect the Serbs. Which, instead of evacuation, experienced a false sense of security, and they paid with their lives for the fact that the Russian troops could not even stick their nose out of the perimeter, not to protect the fraternal people.
          :)
          1. Rider
            Rider 2 October 2013 22: 07 New
            +2
            ............... do not mess with your speculation
            what is GRU in pristina?
            a 620-kilometer throw was made there, a reinforced company of airborne forces of 200 people (or a combined battalion group)
            and their task was to seize the aerodrome in Slatina.
            and the reinforcements approach occurred much later.
            This topic was recently discussed on Topvar:http://topwar.ru/33775-brosok-na-kosovo.html
            and how could they protect the Serbs if the troops of your new homeland literally fed Albanian fighters, just as the Syrian thugs are being fed.

            and now, on you for acquaintance

            What a death is for a foreigner, then a norm for a Russian
            For the Russian military, this is a complex but familiar norm. For Europeans - the hardest test for which the special commission selects the best and trains them for six months. The second hour at rest, the Americans rest. They complain about the inhuman conditions of the competition, in which the main thing is to get there. Show each other scuffs, sunbathe, sleep.

            http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/201124-chto-inostrancu-smert-to-russkomu

            -normativ-triumf-pskovskogo-vdv-na-marshe-mira.html



            well, there you go



            and do not disgrace anymore.
            1. Vinchenso
              Vinchenso 2 October 2013 22: 53 New
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              ................................................
              Did American soldiers stop you from protecting friendly people?
              Good, that's all I wanted to know, thanks.
              :)
              PS As for the comparison of standards - they would be appropriate if in the long term military operations - the soldiers would arrange gladiatorial battles, and not make the efforts of a two-month-old child in any 1 microjoule - that would pull the trigger.
              :)
              1. Rider
                Rider 2 October 2013 23: 09 New
                +2
                Quote: Vinchenso
                Did American soldiers stop you from protecting friendly people?
                Good, that's all I wanted to know, thanks.


                and that’s all you can problem ... uh say?
                you probably don’t know who actively supported the Albanian fighters?
                who were so worried about the peaceful Albanian thugs.
                Well, yeah, they don’t show you either.
                do you know anything about that war besides the stupid conjectures of the "source from GRU" which was not there?
                Quote: Vinchenso
                PS As for the comparison of standards, they would be appropriate if, in the future, military operations

                Yes, we are aware that your soldiers have now been replaced with physical training by shooting simulators, and being overweight has become a serious problem.


                poor American army.
                1. Vinchenso
                  Vinchenso 2 October 2013 23: 45 New
                  -1
                  This is all I want to state.
                  Namely - that the Americans were capable, and most importantly - did what prevented the Russian troops from appearing in defense of the fraternal people.
                  Your allies must bear in mind your inability.
                  I know very well who supported the Albanians. But how does this justify you? Mi-mi-mi-mi, the Americans are not allowed to intercede? Okay, we will consider this an excuse, as you say.
                  :)
                  About GRU - it was my mistake. The fact is that my friend is from the GRU, and I knew that he was involved in that operation. I asked him on Skype today - it turns out that at that time he had not yet entered the service in the GRU, but really was a paratrooper, so I made a mistake in this, I apologize for deciding that the Grushniki lost the conflict morally, although in reality they were ordinary paratroopers.
                  :)

                  Excess weight in the American army is peculiar only to Americans. You forget that there are enough other representatives of different nationalities and races, including Russians. Or, in the American army, the weak and weak Russians serve for money, and in the Russian army - tall and strong for free?
                  :)

                  Poor army, in material terms - just the same, probably Russian. You won’t earn much - plowing for the return of the so-called “Debt to the Homeland” - as permission for the country to come of age in Russia.
                  Another thing is the American army. Green Card, salary, benefits, pension, benefits, dozens of federal programs - such as free tuition at the best American universities in the world. And in Russia, what?
                  :)
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 3 October 2013 00: 13 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Vinchenso
                    This is all I want to state.

                    poor Vincenzo, you don’t even imagine how you substitute publishing your speculation.
                    and how easy it is to kick you on your own fabrications
                    so, let's begin.
                    Quote: Vinchenso
                    Namely - that the Americans were capable, and most importantly - did what prevented the Russian troops from appearing in defense of the fraternal people.

                    i.e. you want to say that the Albanians who cut off prisoners from organs selling drugs throughout Europe appear to you as fraternal people?
                    or at least US allies 7
                    this shine, now it’s clear where Al Qaeda’s legs grow.
                    Quote: Vinchenso
                    so I was mistaken in this, I apologize for deciding that the GRU morally lost that conflict, although in reality they were ordinary paratroopers.

                    Yes, you are mistaken in everything, considering that 200 paratroopers were supposed to protect the Serbs, their task was to seize the airfield, with which the British broke off and the adoption of the Russian group.
                    Well, can Russia defend its allies with the war on 08.08.08, as well as Syria.
                    which the great-mighty USA, without the permission of Russia, was afraid to bomb.
                    Quote: Vinchenso
                    You forget that there are enough other representatives of different nationalities and races,

                    that is, you are proud of the fact that more and more Mercenaries are fighting on you ?!
                    and the Americans themselves cannot be wrung out a couple of times.
                    but I will lower you a little to the ground.
                    if you don’t know, then your budget sequestration is planned, and very soon the mercenaries will run away due to lack of money.
                    Quote: Vinchenso
                    Another thing is the American army. Green Card, salary, benefits, pension, benefits, dozens of federal programs - like free tuition at the best American universities in the world.

                    Have you watched the movie provided by me?
                    it says in Russian and English that FOUR ALL ALL THE HOMELESS IN THE USA - THE VETERANS
                    what benefits, pensions and training?

                    to you some more information about the "coolest army in the world"

                    Our Army Today: Bandits, Nazis, and the Mentally Ill ("The American Conservative")
                    http://warfiles.ru/show-28404-nasha-segodnyashnyaya-armiya-bandity-nacisty-i-dus
                    hevnobolnye-the-american-conservative.html


                    Mexican drug dealers hire US military to crack down on rivals
                    http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/203856-meksikanskie-narkotorgovcy-nanimayut
                    -amerikanskih-voennyh-dlya-rasprav-nad-konkurentami.html


                    the last vaabsche mortality - so who serves whom? !!!

                    laughing

                    if you do, I’ll be happy to study with you.
                    otherwise you are in pink illusions.
                    1. Vinchenso
                      Vinchenso 3 October 2013 02: 53 New
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                      1) When you will receive more than $ 30 per hour for your work - then you will call me poor. And so, it becomes rather funny when some poor beggar tries to assess my financial situation.
                      2) You (since YOU insist so) - say that I write speculations and fabrications. But at the same time, he did not refute a single word of mine. Balabol?
                      3) Have Americans ever called Albanians a fraternal people? No. But the Russians called the Serbs brothers. And I don’t need to tell about the horrors that the Albanians were doing against the Serbs, who thought that the Russians came to protect them - but in reality they just sat down at the airport and seemed to climb out of the perimeter of the airport. The more horrors you tell me, the more worthless and cowardly the passivity of the Russian paratroopers in Pristna will seem. I would not be able to sit like that, knowing that somewhere 200 meters maybe an Albanian is raping a girl who is counting on my help. But the Russians could. That's right, the sense of self-preservation is more precious to you than whose lives, right?
                      4) 08.08.08 showed the real number of allies of Russia. Including 4 countries of the world that recognized the independence of South Ossetia. Of these, 3 are generally Third World countries. Two of which - received financial assistance for six months. I'm not talking about how Lukashenko shamed and dishonored you all over the world, saying that you offered him money for recognizing South Ossetia. Pff. A miserable sight, honestly.
                      5) Syria. It is ridiculous to look like what Russia denied a year ago that it considered unacceptable - today it suits her. Honestly, this is ridiculous. A year ago, Russia was offered to organize chemical disarmament in Syria. To which Russian diplomats responded with a categorical disagreement. When the American and European fleet sailed to Syria, and John Kerry re-proposed what the United States offered a year ago, saying that this was the ONLY opportunity to avoid intervention - and Lavrov and Assad immediately agreed. Pffff. And why did they break before? Did not think that the United States would put a bolt on the UN? Thought that you could resist one veto? Are you scared? But not even this is the funniest. And the most - that Russia after this began to declare that it was Her idea - to offer the chemical disarmament of Syria. And to exhibit this is almost like a triumph of Russian diplomacy. And what is the merit? In agreement with the US proposal? Bravo, what can I say. Especially in light of disagreement with the same proposal a year ago. The fact that three aircraft carriers aimed at Syria and hundreds of cruise missiles.
                      6) I am proud that the United States can adequately thank its soldiers. And not with pathetic stupid speeches about patriotism (this is the prerogative of the Russian army) - but with real things. All soldiers are mercenaries. All serve for something. In Russia, the soldiers repay some mystical duty to the state institution for allowing the citizen to come of age. In the USA, soldiers fight not for permission, but for money, pension and federal programs. You know, I flew in June.
                      And wait, the message is great. I will continue as follows.
                      1. Rider
                        Rider 3 October 2013 03: 29 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Vinchenso
                        ) When you will receive more than $ 30 per hour for your work - then you will call me poor.


                        ohh, so I speak with the highest paid attorney, or deputy director of a marketing firm.
                        what did you lose Mr. Millionaire here, is it boring in the Bahamas?
                        Quote: Vinchenso
                        You say that I write speculations and fabrications.

                        Oban, you argued about pesiya and nishtyak for veterans, and you referred to homeless people, that the privileges helped them, you bleated about the BEST WEAPON, but your “cool trunks” refuse at the right time, you talked about GRU in a pristine that has never been there.
                        which of us is a balabol?
                        Quote: Vinchenso
                        Have Americans ever called Albanians a fraternal people? No. But the Russians called the Serbs brothers. And I don’t need to tell about the horrors that the Albanians were doing against the Serbs, who thought that the Russians came to protect them - but in reality they just sat down at the airport and seemed to climb out of the perimeter of the airport.

                        Vinchenso US Yesterday, 23:45 p.m. ↑
                        This is all I want to state.
                        Namely - that the Americans were capable, and most importantly - did what prevented the Russian troops from appearing in defense of the fraternal people.

                        so whose people are you standing up for?
                        for thugs and drug dealers?
                        liar - again.
                        and on the "sitting" at the base, in the movie I quoted, it is clearly shown how our paratroopers go on patrol and even pull YOUR "peacekeepers" out of the priests.
                        liar again.
                        Quote: Vinchenso
                        08.08.08 showed the real number of allies of Russia
                        but all the “true democracies” recognized thugs and drug dealers
                        but about Ossetia itself. I once again convicted you of a lie that Russia does not help friends
                        Quote: Vinchenso
                        A year ago Russia was offered to organize chemical disarmament in Syria

                        please provide evidence, not blah blah blah.
                        and didn’t your president bang a hoof on his chest that they would bomb if Assad would use chemical weapons.
                        they used weapons (no one knows who) but your fleet was frightened of Russian ships in the Mid-Sea,
                        and Putin has publicly carved Western politicians that they are going to help the PEOPLE.
                        however, you do not get used to it.
                        Quote: Vinchenso
                        I am proud that the United States can adequately thank its soldiers. And not pathetic stupid speeches about patriotism (

                        Ale balez ... uh especially gifted, did you look at the link?
                        I brought someone a film about homeless people.

                        However, I can still throw.

                        enlighten:YOU NEED UNCLE SAM! ... DEAD. http://www.namakon.ru/articles.php?id=81&p=1

                        DELFINews abroad
                        US Army tragedy: 25 times more suicides than dead on battlefield
                        http://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/abroad/tragediya-amerikanskoj-armii-samoubijc-v-2
                        5-raz-bolshe-chem-pogibshih-na-pole-boya.d? Id = 42285664


                        while I think it’s enough, if you don’t tell me enough, I’ll be laying out about the above-mentioned SWAT exercises tomorrow and I’ll add, do not be shy.
                      2. Vinchenso
                        Vinchenso 3 October 2013 05: 11 New
                        0
                        :)
                        * The ability to book a ticket for Monday, the hotel - too. If you order for half a year, it will be% 20 and then it will be cheaper *
                        Seriously? Are Bahamas a luxury only for millionaires?
                        You are not even able to find 500 dollars a week to rest?
                        Sadness. And this man calls me poor.
                        And no - I'm not a millionaire. The value of my assets with bank debt will be more than a million, if you count real estate, cars, etc. But finances on hand in electronic form and cache - I will have less. I am the vice president of a high-tech IT company + instructor at NRA (but the latter is more of a hobby, not a job). Also - the latter allows me to have access to about 120 types of small arms, out of a little more than half of which I had fun and 30 of which I know ideally. And among them - such Soviet and Russian weapons as Saiga, Stechkin, PM and 3 Kalashnikov models. And all I can say is good guns. But the M4 is somehow more convenient and handy of any Kalash. I don’t know what to compare it with, what would you understand. It is like an ordinary knife with a wooden handle and a hunting knife with an ergonomic handle. M4 is a more comfortable weapon. And it’s not even a matter of combat characteristics, such as recoil, etc. When you hold Kalash - you feel that you are shooting from a weapon. M4 are other sensations. The weapon merges with you, up to a comfortable soft cheek lining on the handle, you know? With Kalash in your hands - you just want to run and without stopping - shoot at targets with a cry of "Waaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!". With M4, you just want to clearly and slowly hit targets. Kalash is more insane. A kind of uncontrolled bad joy. And the M4 is more pathetic, cold and crisp.
                        You kind of tell Kalash:
                        - Hit the target.
                        And he replies:
                        - Yes, I’m happy. Here I’ll put live live in a radius of 5 miles, Mochiiiiiiiii !!
                        And the M4 simply answers:
                        - Yes, master.
                        ... and does his job ...
                        Those. how to say. More fun weapon - of course Kalash. But since the war is not up to fun, I would choose the M4.
                        Do you understand what I want to say?
                  2. Vinchenso
                    Vinchenso 3 October 2013 03: 36 New
                    0
                    So, I flew to Belarus at the beginning of summer. Well, given that the O'Hare airport in the United States is one of the largest in the world, there are 5 terminals connected by many sleeves, but there is also a bus from the airport between them. And I go out, that means, to the street from car parking and I want to drive up to the international terminal. Floppy booty on the seat and wait until the bus starts. A young guy comes into the salon with a large backpack, in jeans and a T-shirt, in the cap of a US Army soldier. About 25 years, probably. He enters with the girl, passes into the salon and sits on the seat. When it comes time to drive off, the driver closes the door, gets up, goes through the entire bus, approaches this guy and says:
                    - Hello. Excuse me, where did you serve?
                    The guy replies:
                    - US Marine Corps, sir.
                    To which the driver reaches out to shake and says:
                    - Sir, on behalf of our company, me personally and my family - I thank you for fighting for our country, for all US citizens, including those who are here now. I am happy that you returned home safe and sound. I wish you a happy future and healthy children. God bless you.
                    Bows and goes back to the driver's seat.
                    I want to ask what. Have you ever been a beggar veteran - even threw a ruble? I’m not saying now that you would thank someone for something, etc., I’m almost sure that this did not happen. And don’t bother, I never did that either, I repent. I met such an attitude towards veterans in the USA that I couldn’t even suggest what could be. I realized that all this time in Belarus - I did not respect veterans. Because respect is not putting a St. George ribbon on a hand or a car. Here is what respect is:

                    Or that:

                    Respect - this is when the veteran union - is building a new house for a guy who lost his legs in the war, while you are accelerating on a forum about the pseudo-greatness of Russia, and legless Afghans are driving carts along the traffic jams in Moscow and begging for trifles. When the dead are buried with greater honors than your governors and mayors. Of course, you can now write "Ohoho, Americans are stupid - the whole city has gathered for a funeral procession, the police of the city, county, state, relatives and friends, neighbors and colleagues, the FBI, the CIA, firefighters, the city hall, the state congressman, etc. "that there would be no officer to bury, as it is with us, they would leave the dogs to eat up, as in Chechnya, and then they would simply send relatives an empty brewed zinc coffin." Mercenaries, says. In the United States, the death of “mercenaries” is treated with great sorrow than your dead soldiers. At least one skin from a municipality in Russia has ever been present at the funeral of a Russian soldier? You yourself - paid tribute? No, you’re better on forums to talk about the greatness of Russia at that time.
                    And about the US budget - don’t worry so much. Today and yesterday have clearly shown that the United States, even in a state of almost technical default and with the government turned off, is still a more prosperous country than Russia.
                    :)
                    1. Rider
                      Rider 3 October 2013 03: 49 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Vinchenso
                      Respect - this is when the veteran union - is building a new house for a guy who lost his legs in the war, while you are accelerating on a forum about the pseudo-greatness of Russia, and legless Afghans are driving carts along the traffic jams in Moscow and begging for trifles.


                      poor thing, and how can YOU PROVE that everything that you got here is true?
                      a couple of videos from the parade?
                      a little weak for a homeless and suicidal army, and how your drug dealers hire hi ah, it's a song.
                      By the way, do you know what is going on in your army SIXTY RIPES DAY ?!
                      Here are the New York Times that, according to the Pentagon, in 2011 22800 violent crimes of a sexual nature were committed. Again, not harassment. That is, for clarity, 62 per day!
                      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/175286-ssha-iznasilovannaya-armiya.html

                      and someone else is broadcasting about the "honor of valor and pride"?
                      poor boy

                      By the way, and not a weak video lead about beatings of veterans in Russia?
                      preferably fresh, and so it was clear that the former combatant?
                    2. Vinchenso
                      Vinchenso 3 October 2013 05: 38 New
                      0
                      Listen, Russian soldiers in Georgia and Chechnya - stole bicycles, tremors and dumplings from people. But I’m not saying that the entire Russian army is a bunch of some looters.
                      This is not a parade, this was a funeral procession on video.
                      About legless Afghans and Chechens - watch the movie The Chechen Cradle, since you can’t earn a ticket to Moscow and see for yourself.
                      About the fact that in the United States veterans can build a good guy, brother in arms. Well, for example.

                      All the people in the video in construction form are veterans who, after the army, weaned off for free engineers, electricians, etc. - and now they make normal money. For example, a guy did a faucet to me yesterday in the kitchen, 2 hours of work - $ 60. Those. earns a little less than me. The only difference is that he needs to work with his hands, and most of the time I just have to control people and pick my nose. And who didn’t unlearn after the army - joked on the street to live. To pose for the stories of Rush Tudey and become an argument for you - how badly he lives in America. Say after serving in the army of the Russian Federation - people for the rest of their lives live safely. No, you yourself know what not. You are a good example of this, a person for whom a week in the Bahamas for $ 500 a week is an inadmissible luxury.
                      About the suicidal and homeless army. You know, you think like a little and stupid kid.
                      Example.
                      Here is the article. It is called "The Russian army has become a hotbed of homosexual prostitution and violence"
                      http://www.newsru.com/russia/04oct2005/russian_army.html
                      What am I, now how are you to scream that the Russian army is a bunch of homosexuals? But a valid argument by your standards, which you immediately raise to the category of truth. So, do you agree that some gay prostitutes serve in the Russian army? So it turns out?
                      :)
                2. Vinchenso
                  Vinchenso 3 October 2013 03: 44 New
                  0
                  I didn’t watch your film, forgive me, but too many offended and wounded patriots unsubscribed to me, your link was apparently lost.
                  Throw off in drugs or something, since it’s important for you that I see something there.

                  Further, regarding homeless veterans. US Army service is not a ticket to the future. This is a pass to benefits that the average layman did not even dream of. How a person to manage this pass is his concern. Nobody says in the USA, "Serve 2-4 years and live your whole life without doing anything." This is not true. But if you want, unlike ordinary Americans, to receive tax benefits, if you want the government to pay for your training in absolutely any profession, you are welcome. After the army, no one forces students to study for free. Only provide an opportunity. To take advantage or not is the soldier’s own business. And what do they offer for military service in Russia? Thank? Well, if you think that is enough - let it be so.
                  Our Army Today: Bandits, Nazis, and the Mentally Ill ("The American Conservative")
                  http://warfiles.ru
                  Do you have bandits, Nazis and insane people in Russia today in the Aria? Sadness. Apparently decent people do not want 2 years free parade ground for revenge.
                  What training will you do? Throwing trash to me from the Internet? With the same success, I can dig up a link that in the Russian army soldiers are fed expired canned food (google) - and claim that the entire Russian army is eating dog food.
                  Enlightener.
                  :)
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 3 October 2013 04: 00 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Vinchenso
                    I didn’t watch your film, forgive me, but too many offended and wounded patriots unsubscribed to me, your link was apparently lost.
                    Throw off in drugs or something, since it’s important for you that I see something there.

                    so why are you spilling about honor and duty?
                    and the video hangs below, the last video in comments.
                    Quote: Vinchenso
                    Do you have bandits, Nazis and insane people in Russia today in the Aria? Sadness. Apparently decent people do not want 2 years free parade ground for revenge.

                    here eo I understand the model of democratic thinking, if the facts contradict the theory - all the worse for the facts.
                    but what are you so frivolously dismissing - Review of the book by Matt Kennard "Irregular Army: How the US military took to the war on terror neo-Nazis, members of bandit groups and criminals"
                    Clark Stooksbury


                    Vinchenso US Today, 02:53 ↑
                    6) I am proud that the United States can adequately thank its soldiers. And not pathetic stupid speeches about patriotism

                    what kid, break the pattern?
                  2. Vinchenso
                    Vinchenso 3 October 2013 05: 41 New
                    0
                    Bastards, or as the Ministry of Defense calls war criminals - black sheep, are everywhere. Looters, rapists, killers. Even in the Russian army. Not a single war in the world, including with the participation of Russia, could do without war crimes. Even the Great Patriotic War. You are naive and stupid - if you don’t know.
                    :)
                    Facts? So I expect from you a recognition that the Russian army is a hotbed of gay prostitutes. I gave you the link, for you any link is a fact.
                    Does the template tear?
                    :)
  • aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 2 October 2013 11: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: Vinchenso
    So far, in Russia this has been turned almost into clowning. I happened to be at the Super SWAT International Round-Up in Florida. I saw your Alpha. I will not comment on the fact how shamefully Russia acted - by sending the best POLICE special forces - the security forces of ELITE SPECIAL SERVICES (already God be with you - if you cannot compete honestly, you did the same with the Universiade - apparently you had no chance to compete honestly would win.


    The organizers shamefully acted constantly cheating with refereeing. http://alfafilatov.livejournal.com/53937.html
    Fair competition is not for Americans. In almost all sports competitions, judges are organized pressure, accusing them of having connections with the Russian mafia and other nonsense. Such here they are exceptional, that the rules are not written to them. And Obama is constantly talking about it. There is an analogy with a well-known historical character who also insisted on the superiority of his nation. So he finished very badly. yes
    1. Vinchenso
      Vinchenso 2 October 2013 21: 27 New
      -2
      So cheated with refereeing - that they gave the first place to Alpha?
      Wow. It is as if Putin said in the last election that Churov was cheating with the vote count.
      :)
      Do you agree with my thesis that Russia was obliged to send the best OMON unit (Moscow, or, more likely, from the Caucasus, because the latter will probably have more experience and endurance)? Or are you arguing with him?
      Further. About the superiority of their nation. Aren't you trying to prove this in comments? Or do you still deny the superiority of the Russian nation over anyone?
      :D
  • Rider
    Rider 2 October 2013 14: 03 New
    +6
    this is what I understand qualitatively in the United States, brainwashing, mind - no, no experience - but at least catch the ambition and mentor tone.

    Now baby, we will dissect you, stock up with Vaseline.

    so your first pearl:
    to some Swiss militia for defense in the conditions of the most dense infrastructure - nafig did not revel in AK-47

    do you even know that Switzerland is a mountainous country, and they will NOT fight in the cities ONLY, and they are armed either with German or Belgian rifles (machine guns), respectively, which allow firing at a distance of half a kilometer, and not bullet each other from a slingshot from neighboring houses.
    move on:
    What the hell is it for an American soldier who has a shower, Internet and a coffee maker in combat conditions to keep his machine gun in the sand?

    I will give you a quote from the book of your same marine N. Fick (which is also called - Marines)
    quote is not verbatim:Arriving at Bagram base, I began to prepare my group for going to the mountains, accordingly to find out the situation in the area of ​​responsibility, one of the local sergeants, having learned that the mission would last more than a week, advised me to take a few AKs, since there was always ammunition for them, and I’ll definitely one PC that is lighter and more powerful than a regular one.

    By the way, and you vkurse that your light machine guns were developed by the Belgians?
    ask what you have in service under the name M249
    and you decided to save the "curvature" of your gunsmiths with pecotini slats?
    just brilliance and not logic, whose trunk is “more tuned-in” and steeper.
    That is why the US Army, instead of shouting about patriotic pride for the best American weapons, is not shy about purchasing Italian pistols, Belgian machine guns, etc.

    Well, actually, he himself admitted that themselves to make a normal weapon is not in a state.
    and when you consider that you recently purchased SEVERAL MILLIONS of Russian ammunition. it becomes clear WHAT are you going to fight.

    But as for the Universiade and the teachings, it’s clear that you, as a descendant of sausage emigrants, are unpleasant when you were made as babies.


    think next time before pouring out your complexes on a site.
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 2 October 2013 14: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Rider
      and when you consider that you recently purchased SEVERAL MILLIONS of Russian ammunition.

      Americans buy surplus in bulk both for sale to the population and for the same Afghan warriors - cheaply and cheerfully.
      Tula Ammo 7.62x39 122 Gr FMJ 1000rds - $ 249.99
      Wolf Ammo 1,000 rounds 7.62x39mm 124 grain FMJ Ammo - $ 292.99
      Wolf Ammo 7.62 x 54R mm FMJ 147 grn. 880 rd / case - $ 194.99

      They would sell them at such retail prices :(
      And a few million - this is quite a bit, this is the level of sales of one Walmart in America.
      1. Rider
        Rider 2 October 2013 14: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: vanaheym
        Americans buy surplus in bulk both for sale to the population and for the same Afghan warriors - cheaply and cheerfully.

        then there is demand - do you agree?

        Quote: vanaheym
        They would sell them at such retail prices :(

        you are joking ?
        to sell live ammunition.
        still spears break on a short barrel.

        Or did you mean the price for MO?
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 2 October 2013 15: 05 New
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          Quote: Rider
          you are joking ?
          to sell live ammunition.

          These are not live ammunition - they are the same standard FMJ ammunition sold in arms stores in Russia and Ukraine, only at a price twice as expensive. In America, even taking into account delivery, it’s still cheaper :(
          1. Rider
            Rider 2 October 2013 16: 20 New
            0
            Quote: vanaheym
            These are not live ammunition - these are the same standard FMJ ammunition


            honestly speaking, I didn’t understand how the machine-gun cartridge (7,62x39) became non-combat.
            and what is FMJ ammo?
            1. vanaheym
              vanaheym 2 October 2013 17: 03 New
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              In Russia, Ukraine and the same Kazakhstan - 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 it’s quite ammo for civilian weapons like the same "Tiger" or "Saiga"
              1. Rider
                Rider 2 October 2013 17: 53 New
                0
                Quote: vanaheym
                In Russia, Ukraine and the same Kazakhstan - 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 it’s quite ammo for civilian weapons like the same "Tiger" or "Saiga"


                that does not cease to make them combat.
                or are there any differences?
                different bullet material, or different gunpowder.
                I’m not asking to find fault, I’m just wondering.
                1. Sergeantpro
                  Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 20: 47 New
                  +1
                  Lead core only bullet
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 2 October 2013 20: 48 New
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                    Quote: Sergeantpro
                    Lead core only bullet


                    soft pistol?
                    it explains a lot.

                    pasibki
            2. Sergeantpro
              Sergeantpro 2 October 2013 20: 49 New
              +1
              how an assault rifle cartridge (7,62x39) became non-combat


              Very simple - he became a hunting one, i.e. with lead core.
              FMJ (Full metal jacket) - an all-metal sheath. Shell bullets.
    2. Vinchenso
      Vinchenso 2 October 2013 22: 02 New
      -3
      Umm .. Do you know what they say in American political forums a la "You have been brainwashed" or "Yes, you are bought / are an agent of the FSB"?
      Americans call this the "weakling argument."
      I explain. A person’s motivation - whether he is an employee hired for propaganda and agitation, sitting on a salary or whatever - speaks only about his bias. Bias can be built on a person’s prejudices, on a person’s interest in having a certain point of view, etc. But this is never the canon of his wrong. Do you understand? In other words, I can just mock at you, having pinned that I was brainwashed, that I left a comment for the money, etc. It will not mean that I am wrong, it will mean that I am engaged. Do you understand? So be kind, do not use the weakling's arguments.
      Further. About the mind. It’s not for you to evaluate someone’s mind while living in a country whose best university is one hundred and something out there in the ranking of the best. And not the person who graduated from the one that is in the top 10 in the world, ladlets? Because I’ll now invite you to take the IQ test on Eysenck with me - you realize how far you are to me, both in terms of mind, both in terms of reason, and intelligence in general .. Okay? Moreover, now we are not measuring our minds, but right.
      And leave your homosexual deviations with a mention of Vaseline too, good? They didn’t fall in public, I heard in Russia it’s normal that people like you are being pressed.
      And so, let's go.
      1) There is no such word - pearl. You invented it yourself. There is the word pearl (Pearl is a small typographic font, the size of which is 5 typographic points, approx. Wikipedia). Returning to the mind - is it not shameful for you to realize that I, a Belarusian living in the USA, know YOUR language - is better than you, an intellectual patriot?
      :)
      But I digress.
      I know the topography of Switzerland absolutely well. And I absolutely perfectly possess good logic - to understand that the militia will not be like Caucasians - to fight in the mountains. And if it does, then it’s in the mountain villages, all with the same - excellent and dense infrastructure (from mountain villages to winter skiing tracks with buildings of hotels, canteens and entertainment venues that have existed there for a long time). In contrast to the Caucasus, where settlements are based mainly on the rare plains between mountain ranges, and mountain tourist sites there are miserable.
      Go ahead.
      Do not bring me anyone's OPINIONS. I also have an opinion. And quite competent as an NRA instructor. And then I will begin to give you the views of the Head of the General Staff and the ex-Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation in relation to Kalashnikov. I'm not interested in opinions; I'm interested in facts. You can build your opinion as much as you like - on opinions. For me, they are not quoted not only as a rotten argument, but also as an argument in general. If you do not have personal experience and you can only refer to other people's opinions - I am sorry for you. Because then - there’s nothing to talk about with you. For in this case - you are just a layman and amateur in a subject.
      Further. You begin to try to refute me - without having read my message. And after reading - you already agree with my thesis. What, I want to refute something, but does not work out? I understand, probably a shame.
    3. Vinchenso
      Vinchenso 2 October 2013 22: 02 New
      0
      Yes, the barrel is cooler. If the "tuning" is individually sharpened under the "driver". And I'm glad that you spoke of such an allegory. Factory Lada Kalina - worse Lada Kalina with a chip engine, turbine, zero air filter, stretch marks, racing slicks, etc. Yes, it is less reliable at the factory, otherwise it would have been milked to the factory to the maximum. Yes, she has a shorter resource. But at racing competitions - it is precisely the “tuned” models that are used, and not the factory ones. Because its best quality - the car should show on the track (read as in hostilities), and not lying 40 years in warehouses. The Kalashnikov assault rifle is as reliable as the factory Kalina is reliable, compared to the racing tuned version. Because when you are on the battlefield, you need the effectiveness of a weapon, not its reliability. You don’t care how many years your weapon can last - 40 or 60, because if you have an ineffective weapon - 40-60 seconds will be enough for you to drop your hooves, understand? You can certainly die with the realization that your weapon, chosen by your comrades, will serve another 59 years, 11 months, 30 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes. But it seems to me that at this time you will be thinking about something completely different.
      Yes, weapons should not wedge 9 seconds after the start of contact. But this is not what is being discussed now. It is about how 2 Kulibins tried to deliberately break Kalashnikov. So you sort of prioritize - are you going to break weapons on the battlefield or shoot at him from the enemy? And based on this, draw conclusions already. And with the same success we can say that a tablespoon is better than T-90 - because it is more convenient to eat ice cream. And everyone poke it in the face as an argument.
      You guy talk funny.
      :)
      1. Rider
        Rider 2 October 2013 22: 24 New
        +2
        poor child, why so many words, if the case of the volume of a maximum of 10%
        suffer from graphomania?
        Quote: Vinchenso
        I know the topography of Switzerland absolutely well. And I absolutely perfectly possess good logic - to understand that the militia will not be like Caucasians - to fight in the mountains.

        Yes, yes, they will sit in their towns, where they will be leveled by aviation and artillery.
        Quote: Vinchenso
        Do not bring me anyone's OPINIONS. I also have an opinion

        that you don’t like the opinion of YOUR same Marine about YOUR SAME WEAPON?
        and that your gunsmiths are not able to produce anything expedient and are forced to purchase foreign samples?
        well, you love facts, here they are.
        Quote: Vinchenso
        Yes, the barrel is cooler. If the "tuning" is individually sharpened under the "driver". And I'm glad you talked about such an allegory

        Ale comrade from parallel reality, here is an example of how your tuned trunks refused in the midst of a battle, because of which your JI ah raped a bunch of 200-300x
        well and helped them picatini?
        Quote: Vinchenso
        Because when you are on the battlefield, you need the effectiveness of a weapon, not its reliability.

        tell this to the mothers of the soldier who died at Vanat in Agan.
        Quote: Vinchenso
        You guy talk funny.
        :)

        and here I completely agree with you, reading your speculation, not to resist the laughter.

        Don’t get lost, I’ll be happy to get rid of nonsense from your head.

        next time write shorter and on business.
        otherwise it’s hard to look for grains of meaning in your allegories.
        1. Vinchenso
          Vinchenso 3 October 2013 00: 58 New
          -2
          Man, you don’t need to insult me. I understand that you struggle to show that you are a descendant of cattle, brought up by shoemakers. That intelligence is an unfamiliar word from the category of "diraya" for you. But do you somehow try not to advertise your bad education, at least in public, goodies?
          :)

          Further. What does it mean to sit in towns? Have you ever been to Switzerland? This is an ongoing terrain of one-story houses, more than half of which are built on slopes. It's like the west coast of the USA. Where you drive in one city, drive up to the usual intersection, cross it - and you are already in another. Because no one divides the city with some fields or forests. The land is occupied by residential areas - on the basis of the high cost of land. And the most expensive land is by the ocean. Therefore, cities primarily spread along the coast - by downtowns, office buildings, hotels, and then more mediocre residential areas for the middle class go inland. Also in Switzerland, with the only difference being that the function of the ocean in terms of the high cost of land is performed by tourist sites and natural monuments. Around them and spread out settlements. As a result, it turns out that untouched nature remains only there - where the terrain is impassable absolutely. And as Vanka Susanin - you will not be able to fight there by definition. Is it really hard to understand? You would be less likely to sit on thematic forums - and work more, and earn more, respectively - then you would have an idea of ​​how countries look like you have never been to, but you could be able to travel there.
          :)
          And here like or dislike? I tell you again - I do not use, as an argument, the OPINION of your ex-Minister of Defense and the Head of the General Staff about the Kalashnikovs, as if it would not confirm or refute my position. Opinions are not an argument. This is a unit point of view in the statistics of OPINIONS, and nothing more.
          Further. What does it mean they cannot produce a trip? They produce NORMAL weapons - but are armed with GOOD. In Russia - they produce NORMAL and are armed with NORMAL. That’s the whole difference. What do you want to prove, I don’t understand? What Kalashnikov - the best weapon in the world? So it is. This is an elementary weapon that any country in the world can produce, either by preserving its name or by sticking its own label. The fact that they are not engaged in the production of these weapons in the United States suggests that they do not need them.
          Next, about the episode in Vanat. Excuse me, American soldiers were blocked 4 times their number - the Taliban. And they fought for 4 hours continuously. Do you know this concept of "overheating"? Here's your homework, schoolboy. What is the likelihood that your Kalashnikov will jam - if you need to fire for 4 hours, provided that 4-5 horns shot in a row are guaranteed overheating? I understand that at shooting at a time in miserable exercises you only shot a maximum of 1 horn, and even then in 40-60 minutes. But purely hypothetically - cut your imagination, m?
          :)
          1. Rider
            Rider 3 October 2013 01: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: Vinchenso
            Man, you don’t need to insult me. I understand that you struggle to show that you are a descendant of cattle, brought up by shoemakers. That intelligence is an unfamiliar word from the category of "diraya" for you. But do you somehow try not to advertise your bad education, at least in public, goodies?

            all this, I understand, the highly spiritual speech of an intellectual in the third generation?
            by the way about the very concept of "intellectual"
            Here is what I somehow found:At the end of the XNUMXth century, the writer P. Boborykin came up with the so-beloved word “intelligentsia”, but he didn’t mean it at all “intellectual workers with education and knowledge in various fields of science, technology and culture”
            According to him, the "intellectuals" are poorly educated, but competent clerks, clerks, artisans, petty officials and employees.

            so whose descendant are you clerk or clerk?

            about Switzerland, and who claimed that the Swiss would NOT fight in the mountains?
            and where, then, should they fight? in an area built up with one-story houses?
            which will simply be bombarded saving an infantry resource.
            you think of something more convincing.
            Quote: Vinchenso
            Here's your homework, schoolboy. What is the likelihood that your Kalashnikov will jam - if you need to fire for 4 hours, provided that 4-5 horns shot in a row are guaranteed overheating?


            beeedenky, do you even read the branch where I was going to comment, here people are smarter than you (and I among them) said that for AK 4-5 and even 10 horns there is no limit, and shoots and does not refuse, even if you have to press the shutter frame with your foot.
            and if your weapon wedges from 4-5 horns, well then, such is the fate of Ji Ai
            , die from the squint of their armourers.

            and by the way. you pyzhysh here proving the armament of the US Army GOOD (not the best) weapons, so where it was this "good" weapon, in stock, or those poor fellows didn’t have enough
            But what about the "tuning"
            to see few planks of rivets riveted.

            Ah ah ah
            Quote: Vinchenso
            What do you want to prove, I don’t understand? What Kalashnikov - the best weapon in the world?
            it is proved without me, I just dunk you into your mistakes and ignorance of the subject.

            by the way, I dig here about the SWAT teachings you mentioned, well, well, you didn’t do it in vain, because you are unlikely to succeed in substituting your new compatriots.

            I’ll publish it tomorrow, don’t get lost, come and see how the guys will laugh at you.
            1. Vinchenso
              Vinchenso 3 October 2013 03: 57 New
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              No, the fact that you are a statement of fact. You begin to insult me ​​out of the blue - although I did not say a bad word to you. I ventured to suggest that the matter is in your upbringing. An intelligent and well-mannered person - as you do not. Conclusion? You are a descendant of cattle. If you want others to not think so - behave with dignity, not how.
              And I don’t need bearded interpretations from the past - to throw up the generally accepted concepts. Blasphemers, too, used to be called apostates, not prostitutes. Well this does not mean that you should now load the Slavic prostitutes with opuses "Why did you leave Christianity?"
              Don’t be dumb, I beg.
              What does it mean who claimed? Logic claims. See how the Syrian rebels are fighting. You can use YouTube, I understand that you don’t have enough money for a ticket, and you won’t live there for a long time. No one rushes to the embrasure as in Stalingrad. A fighter takes a position, he sat for a day, simultaneously firing off security services from the nearest settlements, waits a couple of hours and makes a march to the next settlement with brothers in arms. No one is fighting in the deserts - this is suicide for both sides by all standards. They are looking for where you can get lost, where you can retreat, drop weapons and merge with the crowd just a little. Where aviation and artillery are less likely to hammer you. For example in residential areas. In the same way as Gaddafi, for example, he hid military equipment among residential areas so that they would bomb less, fearing collateral losses. This is by the way a separate topic. Nowhere in the West are military units located closer than 10 miles to residential areas. What if they start to bomb - the peaceful suffered. And in the CIS - pfff, almost in the center of the city maybe. And officials believe that this is the norm. After all, it will then be possible to send NTV reporters - that they would take off the scum of the elderly, women and children, as related victims - and tell how NATO bombed the civilian population. There is nothing more to do with the NATO show-off - how to spend expensive supplies on those who pose no danger. Well, Rossiyshka is not sorry for any civilians-for agitation and propaganda.
              Further, here is yours, "where do they fight then? In an area built up with one-story houses?
              which will simply be bombarded saving an infantry resource.
              you think of something more convincing. "
              ... should I interpret it as an admission that the Soviet troops were first in Afghanistan and then in Chechnya - cities were leveled with the earth? Correctly?
              1. Rider
                Rider 3 October 2013 04: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Vinchenso
                No, the fact that you are a statement of fact. You begin to insult me ​​out of the blue - although I did not say a bad word to you. I ventured to suggest that the matter is in your upbringing. An intelligent and well-mannered person - as you do not. Conclusion? You are a descendant of cattle. If you want others to not think so - behave with dignity, not how

                Vinchenso US Today, 01:07 ↑

                Your one message has already been deleted, where you allowed yourself to insult me ​​by calling it a "boyboy".
                I will not communicate with the haml and cattle in your face.
                Tell your parents that next time they would conceive someone more intelligent who would not dishonor the fruits of their upbringing.
                Farewell.
                :)

                this is what I understand an intelligent conversation.
                that again lied "respected"?
                Quote: Vinchenso
                Don’t be dumb, I beg.
                See how the Syrian rebels are fighting. No one rushes to the embrasure as in Stalingrad. The fighter takes a position, he sat for a day, simultaneously firing off security services from the nearest settlements, waits a couple of hours and makes a march to the next settlement with his brothers in arms.

                but at the same time he cuts his head and is engaged in CANYBALISM, here you brought an example, brave, professionalism is off the scale.
                and how they take off into the air from inability to handle weapons you also recommend to see?
                Quote: Vinchenso
                ... should I interpret it as an admission that the Soviet troops were first in Afghanistan and then in Chechnya - cities were leveled with the earth? Correctly?

                But in Serbia, Iraq and Avgan, didn’t the army of Maiden Yu EU do and do the same?
                someone shoots journalists from turntables, someone bombes weddings with hospitals.
                and please give the name of the cities in Agan which we have razed to the ground.
            2. Vinchenso
              Vinchenso 3 October 2013 04: 08 New
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              Poor thing again? Compare my and your assets? Weak? Or will the reap point begin?
              Compare the cost of my and your cars, real estate, income per hour (or a month - how convenient will it be for you), compare the costs of tourism and holidays?
              :)
              What is your competence in a subject? Do not be shy, speak. 2 years in the army, or did he at least go through Chechnya?
              Further. "People spoke" is your argument? Are you sure? Well, let's put the phrase “AK overheating” up and see what people say, since this is a competent source of information for you, and not your own experience (you’ll get into trouble here).
              Well, here is the first link.
              In the first comment - 2-3 horns.
              The second is 6-8.
              The third is 6-7.
              Fourth - 5 horns.
              Well, plus all the opinions and divide by count, for justice? So what are you soaring about 10 horns here, shamefully referring to other people's opinions?
              :)
              I am glad that you recognized the squint of Russian arms manufacturers. From now on, we have nothing to argue about.
              And you do not cry. Everything will be fine, do not hysteria.
              :)
              1. Rider
                Rider 3 October 2013 04: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Vinchenso
                Poor thing again? Compare my and your assets? Weak? Or will the reap point begin?
                Compare the cost of my and your cars, real estate, income per hour (or a month - how convenient will it be for you), compare the costs of tourism and holidays?

                will you send me a fax by fax?
                or do you post invoices?
                virtual millionaire
                Quote: Vinchenso
                Further. "People spoke" is your argument? Are you sure? Well, let's put the phrase “AK overheating” up and see what people say, since this is a competent source of information for you, and not your own experience (you’ll get into trouble here).


                let's give examples of how AK wedges from 4-5 stores, and if the majority opinion (you’ll obviously ignore mine) is not interesting to you, then what is credibility for you?
                You yourself shot 5-6-7 stores to AK 7
                so I’m saying - you’re a balabol who didn’t hang FOR ALL THE TIME OF OUR “DISCUSSION” NOT ONE EVIDENCE AT LEAST WHAT TO APPROVE ABOUT WHAT.
                Quote: Vinchenso
                I am glad that you recognized the squint of Russian arms manufacturers. From now on, we have nothing to argue about.

                poor thing (once again) you are not impressed that many experts recognize AK as one of the most reliable automatic machines in the world, then who is your authority then?
                Eugene Stonner, whose weapons was your army planning to abandon?
                and by the way, don’t disappear, I’ll be posting an article about the SWAT competition tomorrow.
                I will continue your execution.
            3. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 6 October 2013 15: 00 New
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              The word intelligentsia was introduced into the Russian dictionary by the great Russian writer A.P. Chekhov, which he was very proud of. And in the Political Dictionary of 1928 it is written.
              The intelligentsia is a public group of people engaged in mental work, the so-called free professions (doctors, lawyers, writers) and organizational and technical work in production. In capitalist society, the majority belongs to the petty and middle bourgeoisie and for the most part shares the views of these classes ...
              1. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 17 October 2013 21: 01 New
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                intelligentsia - In the modern world - a laying between the so-called "oligarchs" and those whom everyone mentioned in this comment is called "cattle." Timur Shaov is right: Intelligence and power, the task is very difficult: is it to bite a boot, or is it to lick? Bastard shorter, with dandruff in the brain from narcissism and other complexes, with calluses from masturbation.
    4. Vinchenso
      Vinchenso 2 October 2013 22: 16 New
      -1
      Pff .. What does it mean not able to make normal weapons?
      Do you need to teach a lesson of the Russian language and define the concept of NORM?
      The Americans learned to make NORMAL weapons. And the Russians learned to make NORMAL weapons.
      The problem is that the US is arming the army with GOOD, not NORMAL.
      Because the fulfillment of the combat mission and the lives of the fighters depend on this.
      Instead of practicing ura-patriotism in the USA and feeling sorry for everyone to tell you that their NORMAL, as you put it, is better than someone else's GOOD - there the soldier gets GOOD weapons and a point. Even if it is imported.
      An inferiority complex - in my opinion, if you are so wounded and touchy. In the US, no one will ever prove that Ford is better than BMW. The latest Bavarian is better than the latest American. And that’s it. Americans are not soared to admit that something imported is better than domestic. It is your complexes that make you yell about the exclusivity and wonderfulness of what you, apparently, didn’t even deal with. You are talking about Switzerland and machine guns. Assault rifles are needed where mobile weapons with characteristics close to a good machine gun are needed. In a situation where you need to hold a position and conduct most of the time, fire to suppress and anticipate - machines are drained. Because their main advantage is mobility. When you need to move often. If this is not necessary - a person simply places the bipod at the machine gun and causes a lead horizontal rain. I tried to explain this to you, saying that the ideal weapon does not exist. Depending on the circumstances and priorities, different weapons will have different efficiency.
      The fact that someone bought several million ammunition does not necessarily mean that someone was going to fight with something. There is a possibility that the soldiers will simply be introduced to the features of the small arms of a potential enemy. And by the way - this may not necessarily be Russia. The world is full of squalid armies armed with the Kalashnikovs. And so that the soldier had an idea of ​​what this weapon is capable of, had the opportunity to fight with captured weapons, if for some reason he has to escape from captivity or his own weapon refuses. I understand that you do not allow this option. It is unlikely that this is taught in the Soviet or Russian army. But do not worry so, but the Russian soldier is much better at peeling potatoes and cleaning up the parade ground.
      :)
      1. MVS
        MVS 2 October 2013 22: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Vinchenso
        The world is full of squalid armies armed with the Kalashnikovs. And so that the soldier had an idea of ​​what this weapon is capable of, had the opportunity to fight with captured weapons, if for some reason he has to escape from captivity or his own weapon refuses. I understand that you do not allow this option. It is unlikely that this is taught in the Soviet or Russian army. But do not worry so, but the Russian soldier is much better at peeling potatoes and cleaning up the parade ground.
        :)

        As for the squalid armies: then, why did such superpower USA with overwhelming superiority in all types of weapons fail to bring democracy to Afghanistan?
        1. Vinchenso
          Vinchenso 3 October 2013 01: 03 New
          -3
          Do not worry, please.
          Either show me the statement of any high-ranking and competent official in the United States - declaring that the army had a task to bring democracy to the country, or admit that you are now balabol.
          The task was to overthrow the Taliban regime. The combat mission is completed. The one with which the Soviet troops could not cope.
          :)
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 3 October 2013 01: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Vinchenso
            The task was to overthrow the Taliban regime. The combat mission is completed.

            And what? Taliban no more? And coffins are regularly sent to the United States and not only, then who?
            1. Vinchenso
              Vinchenso 3 October 2013 04: 11 New
              0
              Bad reading?
              Come on in syllables. Boevaya za-da-cha co-hundred-yala in the over-state of the regime of ta libs. Do you want to overthrow the chickpeas? Mission accomplished.
              :)
              The task of destroying all the existing Taliban in Afghanistan was not posed, and therefore not fulfilled.
              :)
              Russian education does not even teach to read?
          2. Rider
            Rider 3 October 2013 01: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Vinchenso
            The task was to overthrow the Taliban regime. The combat mission is completed. The one with which the Soviet troops could not cope.


            poor thing, you don’t even know that the Soviet troops did not fight the Taliban, since the movement was founded after their withdrawal.

            and by the way, what are you going to withdraw troops from?
            have you won?
            1. Vinchenso
              Vinchenso 3 October 2013 04: 16 New
              -1
              Here is what you blurted out now, you can compare with the opus that in Russia until 2011 there was no police at all.
              An intelligent person - will understand that before that, there were law enforcement agencies in the country that performed the functions of the police. They were called the police.
              Dumb man - he will think that in Russia until 2011 there were no law enforcement officers at all.
              So are you. You know who mutated into the Taliban, but you prefer to make a fool of yourself for the amusement of the public.
              :)
              But is it worth the Americans to stay there? The combat mission is completed, Osama is dead, the September 11 attacks will not be repeated. The point is to linger there, even in spite of the whining of Russia that she will sue for the fact that there is no final order in Afghanistan. Who climbed there to restore order at all? Who promised this to anyone, what kind of crazy claims? The US has killed its own enemies and is returning home. The rest is your concern. Well you are such cool warriors with such cool guns. Forward to the mines.
              :)
              1. Rider
                Rider 3 October 2013 04: 31 New
                +2
                Quote: Vinchenso
                So are you. You know who mutated into the Taliban, but you prefer to make a fool of yourself for the amusement of the public.


                then you didn’t know that there was no toliban before 95g, of course, you weren’t given this.
                Quote: Vinchenso
                But is it worth the Americans to stay there? The combat mission is completed, the US has killed its own enemies and is returning home

                It turns out that you are negotiating with the dead about the future of Afghanistan
                US negotiates with Taliban

                http://interfax.ru/news.asp?id=294661
                have you made a steady connection with the spirit world?
                Do you even understand that you are talking nonsense?
                however, unsure.
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 04: 48 New
                +2
                Quote: Vinchenso
                The combat mission is completed

                In another country, chaos and prosperity of terrorism good
                Quote: Vinchenso
                Forward to the mines.

                Your soldiers will still be undermined for a very long time. laughing
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 04: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Vinchenso
            The combat mission is completed. The one with which the Soviet troops could not cope.

            hahaha, and that America won sitting at the bases huh? And then what are the coffins lined with flags in the United States flowing. How many soldiers of the US Army have been bogged down this year? Again more than in the past good
        2. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 6 October 2013 15: 04 New
          0
          Because for Muslims, the word demo root is demon, that is, the devil. Try them also to impute women's equality in consciousness. For one this head will be cut off. We didn’t build socialism there, but we drowned our socialism in Afghan hash.
      2. Rider
        Rider 2 October 2013 22: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Vinchenso
        Pff .. What does it mean not able to make normal weapons?


        when you respond, put a quote in the heading, then it will be clear to WHO your thoughts are intended.
        Quote: Vinchenso
        The problem is that the US is arming the army with GOOD, not NORMAL.
        Because the fulfillment of the combat mission and the lives of the fighters depend on this.

        why didn’t the NORMAL weapons exist among those killed at Vanat?
        I understand that everyone is missing, sequestration.
        pichalka.
        Quote: Vinchenso
        In a situation where you need to hold a position and conduct most of the time, fire to suppress and anticipate - machines are drained. Because their main advantage is mobility. When you need to move often. If this is not necessary - a person simply places the bipod at the machine gun and causes a lead horizontal rain.

        here it’s not necessary to crawl through the tree with thought, we are now talking about machines.
        and at such a pace we will soon begin to discuss F 22.
        Quote: Vinchenso
        The fact that someone bought several million ammunition does not necessarily mean that someone was going to fight with something. There is a possibility that the soldiers will simply be introduced to the features of the small arms of a potential enemy. And by the way - this may not necessarily be Russia. The world is full of squalid armies armed with the Kalashnikovs.

        KAKOOOOE conceit!
        baby, these "wretched" armies threw you out of Vietnam and will soon be thrown out of Afghanistan.
        and you can continue to sing "mighty and invincible"
        Quote: Vinchenso
        But do not worry so, but the Russian soldier is much better at peeling potatoes and cleaning up the parade ground.

        beeedenky, after takiz news, I believe that cleaning the bowls and cleaning the parade ground - is preferable.
        Enlighten yourself!
        your zombie won't talk about it.

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          1. Rider
            Rider 3 October 2013 01: 36 New
            +3
            Quote: Vinchenso
            Your one message has already been deleted, where you allowed yourself to insult me ​​by calling it a "boyboy".
            I will not communicate with the haml and cattle in your face.


            this is a nooomer.
            my vi for vi, was offended that I called him a "loafer" but without hesitation applies such words as "ham and b_yt_lo"
            Yes, and hooked my parents.

            this is what i understand as an "intellectual"
            Ale, my esteemed opponent, do you even understand that you yourself just violated the scope and decency of commenting?

            and still had the audacity to complain to the moderator (I received an email notification)

            this is American, slander, and mock.
            Quote: Vinchenso
            Farewell.


            no, you don’t leave, I take great pleasure in dipping you into your mistakes and stupid things.
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 3 October 2013 01: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Rider
              my vi for vi, was offended that I called him a "loafer"

              Rider, if he had added "exceptional", he would be happy .... laughing
            2. Vinchenso
              Vinchenso 3 October 2013 04: 25 New
              0
              I didn’t hook your parents, you hooked your parents yourself. If you don’t want to dishonor them, let your interlocutor understand that you have a decent upbringing, and not that you have been brought up from birth. In his own image and likeness. Or do you think that I will gallantly turn to you while you insult me? Or do you think that the moderators will leave your insults and overwrite mine? Quickly, you deflate, turn on the ball and the back.
              :)
              I violated the limits of decency? So sue me. Let's exchange contacts and meet in court. And let’s see who is the “young man”. Or are you just an internet warrior?
              :)
              I did not slander the moderator. Your message sagged freaking 40 minutes and was deleted when I answered you in the same tone. Mine, by the way - sagged less than 10. And if he deleted only mine without touching yours - this would be the other day within the framework of a statement on the protection of honor and dignity between me and him. Therefore, he had to remove yours, however much he would like to. So be kind, not like a little girl that you are being discredited and infringed. So homosexuals love to do. Be a man.
              Are you having fun? You know, your insults out of the blue - this is a clear aid to the fact that I still crush your balls, and not you to me. So go ahead, don't be shy. I will refer it to your bad education until you apologize.
              :)
              1. Rider
                Rider 3 October 2013 04: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Vinchenso
                I didn’t hook your parents, you hooked your parents yourself.

                I understand this to shift from a sick head to a healthy one, it offends him, and it is my fault.
                you didn’t get the causal relationship
                Quote: Vinchenso
                I did not slander the moderator. Your message sagged freaking 40 minutes and was deleted when I answered you in the same tone. Mine, by the way - sagged less than 10.

                open your eyes Internet warrior, your message still weighs so
                Vinchenso US Today, 01:07 ↑

                Your one message has already been deleted, where you allowed yourself to insult me ​​by calling it a "boyboy".
                Quote: Vinchenso
                So be kind, not like a little girl that you are discredited and infringed

                this is a pearl, he complains to modernity and threatens with lawsuits, he whines someone else
                Quote: Vinchenso
                I will refer it to your bad education until you apologize.

                until I get an apology about my parents, you should not wait.

                By the way, are you going to answer questions 7
                or refer to the lawyer again?
  • Slon1978
    Slon1978 2 October 2013 07: 57 New
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    Ivan, although you claim to be a certain intellectuality, it’s much easier to split you than you imagine. I’ll only go through the tops of your theses; there is no time to analyze in detail. The US Army - due to the geographical location of its country - represents an expeditionary force. In other words, it is practically impossible to imagine a war on the territory of the United States and the United States is conducting a war then, there, and at a time when it is convenient for them - when the training is complete, logistics and so on and so forth are established. For this reason, the US Army soldiers (here you are absolutely right) in most cases really have a shower, Internet, a coffee maker and the full opportunity to return to the base, fenced by minefields, to lift one's legs and drink Coca-Cola calmly and leisurely to service their weapons and yourself beloved. In Russia, the situation is radically different - the defense doctrine (due to the vastness of territories, resources and neighbors), the war is mainly considered on its territory, which means that in conditions of destroyed infrastructure, disruption of logistics, communications, supplies, etc. Accordingly, the emphasis is on the reliability of weapons, their reliability in conditions of poor service, lack of spare parts, etc. How this principle can be implemented in each particular type of weapon is a separate issue, but in terms of small arms this principle has been fully implemented. Next - weapons of our own design, remember the doctrine and think - to negotiate with and depend on it in a foreign supplier of weapons in an attack on your country, is it reasonable or not, is there time or not? Here you, Ivan, I dare to assume, have already begun to think with your Americanized brain about the whole depth of your delusions and the manifested teenage ardor. We go further, a purely practical aspect - many Western models (this hardly applies to the M16 ersatz under the name M4) - are really more accurate and more heaping the AK series (we do not consider the new AK-12 and AEK-971 models, because they are not yet taken to supply the army). But hand weapons are a priori melee weapons, do you seriously believe that when spirits are twisted from the bushes, is the advantage in the average radius of deviation of a series of hits of 1-2 cm so important, and not reliability? I agree that if you “wage a war” without going beyond bases and “green zones” and also go to operations only as part of large convoys, as the US Army does with rare exceptions, then reliability can be neglected in favor of other qualities weapons.
    At the expense of Alpha - judging by your tone - they performed well, wiped their nose and it pleases.
    And in the end - at the expense of our designers and gunsmiths - you're well, not at all right. I won’t give even examples - there are too many of them. Here is the inertia of the thinking of our officials from the defense industry regarding the adoption of various kinds of new products - yes, there is something to ponder and lament.
    1. Vinchenso
      Vinchenso 2 October 2013 22: 43 New
      0
      I like it so much when Russian patriots try to treat me with leniency. And even just with insults. No, honestly - it makes me happy.
      :)
      Yes, I saw your defensive doctrine. It just so happened that I come from the glorious city of Grodno, in Western Belarus. And it just so happened that it was precisely 10 km from my city that the West 2013 exercises were conducted. And it’s already quite glorious - that probably dozens of my friends and acquaintances - were among those military men who were mobilized to conduct this exercise. Please tell me, the inability to supply soldiers with drinking water for a week after the PLANNED exercises (to hell with it - with Coca-Cola, people would have some water) - is this the famous Russian defensive doctrine? You can read a description of one of the participants in these exercises.
      http://s13.ru/archives/66841
      As you can see - a soldier, even in conditions of INTEGRITY of the infrastructure, cannot provide drinking water. What can I say about combat conditions? Do you know what such an army will get in a serious situation? Thousands of deserters, which some Poles will kindly receive in their refugee camps, along with the civilian population.
      Further. About reliability. Reliability of a slingshot is much higher than Kalashnikov's reliability. Does this mean that a slingshot is better than Kalashnikov? Kalashnikov's reliability - is based on the elementary nature of its assembly. Almost any metallurgical enterprise, having received a couple of copies of a Kalashnikov assault rifle, can easily organize its production in a short time. Because there is nothing extraordinary in it. But why do civilized countries not do this? Because, as you correctly put it, the priorities are different. Other canons of effectiveness.
      And this is not what I begin to understand with my Americanized brain as the fallacy in evaluating the performance characteristics of weapons. It is in Russia that the Russified brain is beginning to understand this fallacy - refusing to take the last Kalashnikov into service.
      Further. Did you even take part in the war in Afghanistan? What are the perfumes from the bushes? What do you grind at all? Any participant in the conflict in Afghanistan will tell you that not one, I repeat - not a single soldier knows who and when he killed for the first time in the war. Because 95% of probably all skirmishes are shooting in response from cover not to the enemy, but towards the enemy. In an invisible adversary, as they say. You just know that he is there, because they shoot at you from there. You hear bullets tracing past, you hear ricochets from stones and buildings, and the sounds of bullets burrowing into the ground. That's all. In the best case, everything subsides after a long heavy fire. In an even better case, they work out aviation in a square or artillery, or even in tandem. In the ideal case, you advance to the alleged position of the enemy - and you see ONLY the corpses of armed people and dead cattle there. At worst - you see a woman or a child who did not have time to retire from the line of fire. And then self-hypnosis depends on conscience. Everyone is trying to believe that this is not his business. This is war. This is a routine. Someone out of the bushes - you probably outplayed the computer shooters. Not one in the steppe hides in the bushes. Because bushes - every 50 meters come across. And they are always shot first, as the most likely enemy base. Perimeters of boulders and bushes. Do not make of perfume. They are savages, but far from fools. Fighting is all that they knew how to do, and we must pay tribute to that - they knew how to do it well, since the Soviet troops could not overthrow the Taliban regime. By the way, to do what the Americans managed to do.

      I am glad that you are speaking somewhere else - you measure according to my tone. If they were qualified enough, they would be measured by facts, not by the tone of someone.
      And finally, “You are wrong, but I will not prove it to you - because there is a lot of evidence” - this is of course an “argument”.
      I have no choice but to count your sink, I'm sorry.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 2 October 2013 23: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Vinchenso
        (to hell with it - with Coca-Cola, people would have some well water) - is this the famous Russian defensive doctrine?

        You see, in this phrase of yours, the essence of Russian invincibility was revealed)).
        Quote: Vinchenso
        As you can see - a soldier, even in conditions of INTEGRITY of the infrastructure, cannot provide drinking water.

        Perhaps I am wrong (((.
        Right now! Here in this your phrase, the essence of Russian invincibility was revealed!)).
        You see)). Respected)).
        According to our evil .... she has a Russian mentality - a soldier will not remain without water)). Never)). He just needs to be a soldier for this)). And all the great Russian commanders proudly called and call themselves Russian soldiers)).
        And about water - elementary)). If a soldier (temporarily) was left without water ... He:
        - 1. or in enemy territory
        - 2. or not a Russian soldier)).
        Yes, by the way, the Amer special forces are a miserable imitation of the Russian construction battalion)). By the methodology of preparation, of course)).
        1. Vinchenso
          Vinchenso 3 October 2013 01: 14 New
          -1
          Maybe it's not invincibility, but pickiness?
          And it’s not necessary to be proud of it, but to fight it?
          Think for yourself, you have all the problems due to lack of propriety. "What? Falsified elections? Pff. Or maybe it should be?", "What? Serdyukov stole billions and is not sitting? Pff. Yes, on the drum." Etc.
          Perhaps if your lack of privacy was absent - you would have long ago become a democratic, modern, civilized country with a set of the best from the USSR and the best from the West - and you would have no problems either with Europe or with the USA? And then there would be no reason to arrange squabbles a la "Shaw is better than Kalashnikau or M-sysnatsat ?!"
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    1. Vinchenso
      Vinchenso 2 October 2013 04: 53 New
      -11
      Sorry, but what is the greatness of Russia? In the size of the territories?
      :)
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 2 October 2013 12: 09 New
        +4
        Read the story, dear.
        1. Rider
          Rider 2 October 2013 13: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Black Colonel
          Read the story, dear.


          I think the word <respected> should be quoted
      2. MVS
        MVS 2 October 2013 22: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Vinchenso
        Sorry, but what is the greatness of Russia? In the size of the territories?
        :)

        Counter-question: what is the greatness of the United States?
        1. Rider
          Rider 2 October 2013 23: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: MVS
          and what is the greatness of the United States?


          in the printing press.
          1. Vinchenso
            Vinchenso 3 October 2013 01: 17 New
            -2
            Does Russia have a printing press?
            :)
            Russia does not increase monthly money supply by a trillion?
            1. Rider
              Rider 3 October 2013 01: 45 New
              +4
              Quote: Vinchenso
              Russia does not have a printing press?


              dollars - notes, but as I understand it, he will soon stop helping you, you already have a government sitting without money.
              Hurry up to receive food stamps while they give.
              1. Vinchenso
                Vinchenso 3 October 2013 04: 30 New
                0
                The dollar is just a currency. Like the Russian ruble.
                Or can the Russian ruble be printed in an unlimited amount, but the American dollar cannot?
                :)
                I am against socialism. This is utopia. If a person in the country of opportunities cannot earn his own insurance and food, let him die of hunger or get sick and die of illness. Why should taxpayers like me support loafers?
                If it were my will, I would have canceled unemployment benefits. The US is full of jobs. Official unemployment consists of the fact that everyone is missing. But if you were a little more educated, you would know that these EVERYTHING are people from 10 to 72. There are no 10-year-olds working in the USA, therefore all unemployment falls on that share of the population - which, in general, either does not want or cannot work. In Russia, this was generally tricky. You have unemployment counted from the age of 14, not from 10. You can take the last census in the Russian Federation, see how many people in Russia are from 10 to 13 years old, calculate their% - to the total number and add unemployment to the official statistics. And to see that she is in Russia - more than in the USA.
                :)
                As for food stamps. Are you aware that they are put even to pilots of airliners? If we apply the formula for calculating the poor in the USA to Russia, it turns out that in Russia more than 90% of people are poor.
                :)
                1. Rider
                  Rider 3 October 2013 04: 36 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vinchenso
                  I am against socialism. This is utopia. If a person in the country of opportunities cannot earn his own insurance and food, let him die of hunger or get sick and die of illness. Why should taxpayers like me support loafers?


                  it's all blah blah blah (like all your other fabrications)
                  but the FACT is that your government cannot pay salaries 800 civil servants
                  Well, and something else about the largest public debt in the world
                  Quote: Vinchenso
                  As for food stamps. Are you aware that they are put even to pilots of airliners?

                  No, I don’t know, but I don’t need them, but you just need to know where they are given.
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 05: 00 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vinchenso
                  Or can the Russian ruble be printed in an unlimited amount, but the American dollar cannot?

                  The ruble is not printed in unlimited quantities, unlike the dollar!
                  Quote: Vinchenso
                  I am against socialism. This is utopia.

                  You are for capitalism - 17 billion state debt is not a utopia wassat
                  Quote: Vinchenso
                  If a person in the country of opportunities cannot earn his own insurance and food, let him die of hunger or get sick and die of illness. Why should taxpayers like me support loafers?

                  It’s like you showed mercy to your neighbor, as it is in American good
                  Quote: Vinchenso
                  If you apply the formula

                  You already got your food stamps this month wassat Ciao, Millionaire fool
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 05: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: Vinchenso
              Russia does not increase monthly money supply by a trillion?

              No, Russia is just getting richer and that’s all. Stupidly, we don’t print money, unlike the USA.
        2. Vinchenso
          Vinchenso 3 October 2013 01: 16 New
          0
          And where did I say about the greatness of the United States?
          :)
          The man called Russia great - I asked him in what, they say, plan.
          He could not find what to answer.
          I got 1 insult, 1 bickering, 1 leniency - and now you ask me 1 counter-question. A complete set - and 0 answers to the question. Is it really so complicated?
          :D
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 October 2013 05: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: MVS
          Counter-question: what is the greatness of the United States?

          The only country that destroyed the indigenous population of the country.
          The only country to use nuclear weapons against civilians.
          The only country to use massive chemical weapons against civilians.
          The list of greatness can be continued indefinitely.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 3 October 2013 05: 05 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The only country that destroyed the indigenous population of the country.

            Small clarification request The British completely exhausted the natives of Tasmania
            1. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 6 October 2013 15: 11 New
              0
              The British destroyed in Tasmania, but not their indigenous population. They tried on their indigenous people so far, although they recently fought no worse than the Americans in Afghanistan.
              1. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 17 October 2013 21: 14 New
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                The guys taught bad history, it was time in England when "the sheep ate people." The fencing was called. They drove the peasants from the land on which the sheep grazed ... Wool, cloth, pounds sterling (pounds! Panimaashsh) Nothing personal! Only business!
  • Ship DV
    Ship DV 2 October 2013 06: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: Vinchenso
    Sorry, but what is the greatness of Russia? In the size of the territories?
    :)

    With such judgments, you have no place in this forum. It’s a pity that the name is originally Russian, Ivan, shame ..
    1. Docklishin
      Docklishin 2 October 2013 08: 12 New
      +4
      He’s not Ivan, but Ivan (Amer’s transcription)
    2. Vinchenso
      Vinchenso 2 October 2013 22: 44 New
      0
      I asked an elementary question, to which I received 1 altercation, 1 insult and 1 message of a condescending tone.
      Apparently this is the answer, thanks.
      :)
      1. MVS
        MVS 2 October 2013 22: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Vinchenso
        I asked an elementary question, to which I received 1 altercation, 1 insult and 1 message of a condescending tone.
        Apparently this is the answer, thanks.
        :)

        Well, for that matter, not everyone managed to retain such territory for such a long time. This time.
        Russia has given the world many great minds. These are two.
        You can write a lot of things on this topic, but, I hope, the above will be enough. And I never saw an answer to my question from you.
        PS Regarding American weapons: "An independent study showed that the failure of American weapons was one of the reasons why the US Army suffered significant losses during the battle in the Vanat village of Afghanistan in the summer of 2008," the Associated Press reports. Accuracy and lightness are important, but as practice shows, reliability is often more important.
        1. Vinchenso
          Vinchenso 3 October 2013 01: 41 New
          -2
          1) You never thought that if the USSR did not try to measure with the West, I apologize for the expression, in letters, would the USSR not fall apart?
          I lived in the USSR. To be more precise-in the BSSR. So that's how I saw it. Now in Russia you like to talk, they say, corruption began in the Russian Federation. There was nothing like this in the USSR. So here is the first corruption in my life - I remember even before the collapse of the USSR. When the leadership of the Soviets - instead of throwing the country's resources, with tremendous potential - to the standard of living of people, right? He threw them at arms races, at evidence of some incomprehensible greatness, etc. And people .. well, what about people? To people, this was before the lantern, actually. People realized that they CAN and, most importantly, DESERVE to live better than they live. And just before the collapse - Russian corruption was born. It is not like anything, there are no analogues to it in the world. That is why I call her Russian.
          Russian corruption - this is when my neighbor, a bakery worker, brought home an honestly lowered bag with 20 loaves, and exchanged at the rate a couple of loaves per kilogram of sausages from another neighbor, a meat factory worker. My mother at that time worked as an inspector of Energy Supervision. She went away to "check" objects - and returned with groceries. He is going to check the confectionery - he returns with a bag of custard cakes, etc. And .. Well .. That's how it worked .. And it works to this day. This is fun, I agree. But this is ... food, agree. Especially when a fire safety inspector "checks" like a nightclub. Let's come up with a hypothetical name for him. Let's name for example - Lame Horse. Stupid name, I know. But let it be. You understand, huh?
          III. Actually, this is how things are today in Russia. Yes, this is invincibility and savvy. Noooh. You need to do something with this.
          If it were not for the race with the Americans, maybe the USSR would still be alive, maybe I would not have left to live from the USA from Belarus, where today the salary per month is $ 300, i.e. mine for 10 hours of work in the USA. Perhaps then there was no such Americanophobia in Russia. I would not be offended to read attacks on the United States here, to respond with veiled insults to Russia, defending a country where people treat Russians well. In fact, this is the most offensive. If the Americans treated Russians as badly as the Russians did toward Americans, that would be normal. And so - it’s very unpleasant to read so much shit about the USA, despite the fact that the Americans treat Russians quite well.
          The problem is that PERSONALLY I - when confronted with such frenzied nationalism in Russia, which develops into visual Nazism - I begin to feel worse about Russians.
          If earlier I remember that in my youth I experienced every nuisance of Russia, be it Beslan, Nord-Ost, Kursk, etc. He experienced as his own tragedy. Now, I'm just grinning at something like that. Sometimes, when you look at RuNet during the evening and read Russian Nazism, I can generally turn into an inhuman monster when I see the next morning that a passenger plane crashes in Russia and blurt out “Pff. They deserve it” out loud. Your Russian Nazism-gradually turns me into an immoral being. Lowers to the level of these your ape-like Russian Nazis.
          These are the pies.
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 17 October 2013 21: 16 New
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      Johann, John, etc. Everything from the Holocaust ...
  • Docklishin
    Docklishin 2 October 2013 08: 11 New
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    I want to argue c. Vincenzo. Of course, I understand his disappointment, apparently it’s a shame when you support one team, and your competitor wins the competition. I'm talking about the first and second places in Super SWAT, silver in "Remington super sniper". And the title of "Best International Team" (Super SWAT International Round-Up). Guess who won :) Group "A".
    And the second - about the Universiade. Personally, I am pleased with the 1st place in the number of medals won. Why? And because no one forbade the same America, Europe to bring their athletes under the age of 25 years. And nobody looked at the regalia. Therefore, I think I deserve it.
    And finally, the third point about weapons — naturally, no one doubts the reliability of Amer’s small arms — it would be strange to believe that a developed country would do anything for its army. However, the same people from third countries are pretty good at shooting Kalash from the pigeons of freedom and democracy hi
    1. Vinchenso
      Vinchenso 2 October 2013 23: 01 New
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      No, disappointment - measured by the number of minuses to my posts.
      But I am not at all expressing disappointment, I am simply stating a fact, with which, as I see, no one is arguing.
      Second, the United States has not banned anyone - to cheat? Those. hang out their athletes at universities - and send them to competitions?
      What for?
      This youth competition was a competition of amateurs, not professionals. Competitions of professionals - at the Olympic Games are held.
      And they showed who is worth what.
      1 США 46 29 29 104
      4 Россия 24 26 32 82
      Do you like to think that the Russian Olympic medalists are better than the athletes of the youth university teams of the United States - please, that is.
      I like to think that your elite power units are slightly better than ordinary police officers in the USA - for God's sake.
      I think that you would be glad even if the Russian Olympic champions beat five-year-old children, members of some Detroit swimming team.
      :)
      Solemn victory, what can I say.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 2 October 2013 23: 24 New
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        Quote: Vinchenso
        Competitions of professionals - at the Olympic Games are held.

        Aby var!
        What are you taught in America ?!
        According to the Olympic Charter, PROFESSIONALS can not participate in the Olympics, that is, athletes who receive money for participating in sports competitions)).
        And if you, suddenly, for big bribes, managed to temporarily kill the Olympics, then hitting you in the back of your own bullet only confirms the thesis that the earth is round)).
        1. Vinchenso
          Vinchenso 3 October 2013 01: 44 New
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          Yes Yes Yes.
          As Russians win, everything is fair and just.
          As someone else wins - everything is dishonest, everything is bought, the Russian person is offended.
          http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A0%D0%9B%D0%9E
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 2 October 2013 09: 16 New
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    I enjoyed reading it! Excellent written, interesting, good language! Thank!!!
  • kenig1
    kenig1 2 October 2013 11: 08 New
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    The tale is incredible, although give the soldier 2 steel balls: one will break, the second will lose. The bullet stuck in the bore, insert the second loose cartridge without a bullet with any wad and shoot, that's all.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 2 October 2013 13: 11 New
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    Quote: Asgard
    M16 - Wedges when dirty
    AK47 - Works when dirty

    At the time of my reading, Vladimir had 201+ and 4 total 206 votes. Administrators and old-timers, are there any records of one post? Congratulations to Vladimir, hit the nail on the head! I would assign the title - SNIPER.
  • shosha
    shosha 2 October 2013 14: 32 New
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    Here, in my opinion, everything is clear without words.
    1. Rider
      Rider 2 October 2013 14: 39 New
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      the guy has a couple with coordination, isn't he drunk?
      1. shosha
        shosha 3 October 2013 00: 57 New
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        Yes, she’s probably baking pens.