Military Review

Decommissioning BZHRK was a mistake

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To justify this decision, the former command of the Strategic Missile Forces


In the 34 number of the weekly MIC, a message was published in which the opinion of Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, the former commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, regarding the prospects of combat railway missile systems (BZHRK returning, but they will be different) was published, where he pours crocodile tears about 90 destruction under US pressure Russian BZHRK.

The Americans, you see, first achieved from the Russian authorities that the BZHRK did not skate around the country, but stood on the joke, and then persuaded Russia to finally destroy these complexes. But after all, Solovtsov was the initiator and the main driving force of their withdrawal from the combat composition of the troops and gradual utilization.

The official reason for the removal of the BZhRK with weapons was the outdated design, the high cost of recreating the production of complexes in Russia (initially they were made in Ukraine) and the advantages of mobile launchers based on wheeled tractors.

Decommissioning BZHRK was a mistakeAccording to Nikolai Solovtsov, the withdrawal of the BZhRK from the Strategic Missile Forces was caused by the fact that the complex has developed its resource. “It is unacceptable to maintain armed missile systems with a developed resource. With nuclear weapons you can’t joke, otherwise you won’t get into trouble, ”the general stressed.

But the same could be attributed to the older missiles UR100H (PC-18B, SS-19 Stilleto) and P-36М (PC-20А, SS-18 Satan).

The “Good Worker” RT-23 UTHC (MB-22B and PC-22B, SS-24 Scalpel) ICBMs were tested in 1985 – 1987 and were put into service as part of the BZHRK in 1989. The PC-18B tests were carried out in 1977 – 1979 and they entered combat duty on 1980, that is, almost ten years earlier. According to the minimum estimate, by now, the “sotk”, as these missiles are called among the troops, was to remain in the Strategic Missile Forces of the order of 70 – 100 units.

PC-20A - no less old rocket. Her tests and combat duty were performed almost simultaneously with the PC-18B. It was made, as well as "Good work", in Ukraine. PC-20А was constantly being upgraded, its service life after combat training and commercial launches (conversion Dnepr "Dnepr") was repeatedly extended. Nevertheless, it can be assumed that the relatively new version of the PC-20В (Р-36М2 "Voevod") was adopted at the same time as the "Good fellow" and now amounts to half of the heavy Russian ICBM faction. The maximum extended life of all PC-20s will expire around the year of 2020, unless it is renewed again. Thus, "Well done" is no older than the "weave" and "Satan".

Solovtsov also stated that the refusal of the railway complexes would be compensated by the introduction of mine and mobile bases into the combat strength of the new Topol-M missile system.

Well, today the advantages of mine-based to the mobile at first glance are quite obvious. The survival rate of the first under conditions of a nuclear strike is much higher. For the destruction of one ICBM located in the depreciation system of the mine, at least two nuclear warheads will be required, and delivering to the target with high accuracy, and when defending a positional area with missile defense systems — even higher.

The mobility of mobile Topol-M is limited to a certain radius around their main base. It would be naive to think that with modern means of space reconnaissance, a metal object with a length of more than 24 meters, a diameter of about 3,5 and a height of almost 5 meters, besides emitting a large amount of heat and electromagnetic radiation, can be hidden.

The ramification of the railway network provides BZHRK in comparison with soil complexes greater secrecy. At one time, when the Americans planned to build their own railway complex, they conducted special studies. It turned out that when 25 dispersed trains, twice the number of complexes that Russia had in service, on the railway section 120 thousands of kilometers long (this is much less than the main route of the Russian railways), the probability of hitting the American BZHRK with 10 Russian ICBMs of the “Voevod” type.

If we take into account some weighty reason for the refusal of combat railway complexes by the Russian military leadership, then these are large financial costs for their operation.

From the announced plans for the production of Topol-M ICBMs, it is not difficult to assume that by 2015, only two missile divisions will be armed with 54 - 76 mobile launchers and XNUMX mine. Is a retaliatory strike possible after the raid of hundreds of “Minutemen” and is it not too wasteful that we unilaterally reduced our nuclear missile potential?

Preserving, even with upgrading and testing, 36 BZHRK launchers with missiles, each of which carried 10 warheads exceeding 25 – 27 power once dropped on Hiroshima, despite all possible collisions, would be far from worse (by criterion "Cost-effectiveness") option. At least he would not mean the destruction of some quite combat-ready missiles against the background of the need to accelerate the production of others.

Recall that BZHRK was accepted for trial operation in February 1983 of the year, that is, 30 years ago. Without a doubt, its creation was an impressive victory for the domestic defense industry. Nowadays, this weapon system would be far from superfluous.
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  1. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 25 September 2013 06: 58 New
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    Is it really recognized as a mistake the removal from service of a unique missile system, which delivered a real headache to the Amers?
    Wonderful things in the Fatherland ...
    Maybe some good shifts really started?

    And BZHRK mattresses were definitely afraid, otherwise they would not have scuttled with EBN on it.
    1. Civil
      Civil 25 September 2013 07: 45 New
      0
      Now how much should I invest .... as always with us
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 September 2013 09: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: Author Yuri Zaitsev
      Decommissioning BZHRK was a mistake


      A mistake? Spell things by their names

      The Americans were even more afraid of the BZHRK than Satan, and did everything possible to get them out of service

      BZHRK, due to its mobility, could almost guaranteed a retaliatory strike, breaking through any missile defense. The US withdrawal from the ABM Treaty automatically meant that Russia needed to respond adequately with something, for example, by demonstratively launching a BZHRK missile from the range in order to extend the life of the complex. Instead, Putin began the incredible: he began to DESTROY the BZHRK. The 52nd division, which was destroyed in the fall of 2002, was the first to go under the knife, forming in its place a base for storage of BZHRK elements, which they destroyed and abandoned in 2007. In 2003, the 36th division was banged, although its trains were the “freshest”, since 1992 they could easily serve until 2007, and then a new launch and a new extension, such as, for example, have repeatedly extended the life of the same 58 solid rocket complex "Topol". And in 2005 they destroyed the head division of the BZHRK in Kostroma. He did not require the destruction of the BZHRK and the 61st START-1 missiles, and the START-2, signed by Yeltsin, did not enter into force at all, and after the story with the missile defense they completely wiped it.
      Nevertheless, exactly after Bush’s announcement of withdrawal from the ABM Treaty, Russia, as if by someone else’s unknown command, destroyed all missile trains within 3-4 years, but this was not limited to this. He went even further and for some reason continued following the destruction of trains and destroying their bases, the so-called permanent deployment points (PPD) - the multi-billion dollar infrastructure of the BZHRK missile bases is now impossible to restore and all statements about it are false.
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    5. AVV
      AVV 25 September 2013 11: 07 New
      +3
      Some traitors to the Russian interests of Gorbi and EBNy did much more damage than all the secret services of the Anglo-Saxons combined !!!
  2. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 25 September 2013 07: 01 New
    +4
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Is it really recognized as a mistake the removal from service of a unique missile system, which delivered a real headache to the Amers?
    Wonderful things in the Fatherland ...

    Well, if you are thinking about reconstructing the complexes, then you definitely recognized it.


    Until 2020, the first prototypes of a new military railway missile complex (BZHRK) will be created in Russia. Development work under this project is already underway, RIA Novosti reported. Preliminarily, the first BZHRK will go into service with the Strategic Missile Forces after 2020.
    Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054050124051048048049054.html
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 September 2013 09: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: GreatRussia
      Well, if you are thinking about reconstructing the complexes, then you definitely recognized it.


      Who is thinking? The one who destroyed everything? Do you know who? Correctly the author writes crocodile tears
  3. Edward72
    Edward72 25 September 2013 07: 06 New
    +3
    Ours at Bor Blue killed a lot of things and BZHRK which has no analogues so far (mattresses have not been able to do), APRK class "Shark" also cut into needles, but a lot more that I don’t even know.
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 25 September 2013 07: 43 New
      +4
      Under Bora Sinem, the BZHRK were on duty, it was Putin when he became president, he came to the Duma and pushed for ratification of strategic offensive arms, this was one of the conditions for the lieutenant colonel to be in power, he removed them from combat duty by his decrees, and he also cut Satan (according to classification of NATO)) destroying mine installations and explosions ....
      Amers canned them))))
      EBNatic, although he was a drunkard, but not as disastrous as Vova,
      it was under him that the Americans destroyed the “Kursk” BZHRK, INDUSTRY, the Army and Navy degraded, and for the third term, he surrenders to Alros, to the Jews ......
      Rosneft privatizes a successful company that foreigners will buy along with production licenses .....

      Borya was an alcoholic, wrote on the wheel of an airplane at the airport, conducted an orchestra, but still was a man: .... with flaws and a crap leader of the country ...
      BUT, he was not a scoundrel ......
      1. Heccrbq .2
        Heccrbq .2 25 September 2013 09: 09 New
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        But Vova is not a scoundrel, just a business.
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 25 September 2013 07: 12 New
    +7
    With the length and ramification of railways in Russia, the removal of the BZHRK from service is not just a mistake, it is something more and more terrible, a word of betrayal to him ... hi
  5. Alikovo
    Alikovo 25 September 2013 07: 14 New
    +5
    the creation of 20-30 bzhrk will cause amers to boil their brains.
  6. Laserson
    Laserson 25 September 2013 07: 20 New
    -6
    What is the likelihood of using such complexes? Yes, and nuclear weapons in general? Are we too hung up on him? I do not believe in the possibility of any nuclear conflict.
    1. Sadikoff
      Sadikoff 25 September 2013 08: 22 New
      -3
      Indeed, times are changing, there is no talk of any nuclear war. We had one threat from the United States, but this is a corpse, it just comes to him slowly.
    2. rpek32
      rpek32 25 September 2013 08: 24 New
      +5
      these things are weapons not of offensive, but of deterrence. How many heroes will dare to meddle in a country that will subsequently turn the home of the heroes into a vigorous ashes?
    3. revers-trotil
      revers-trotil 25 September 2013 11: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Laserson
      What is the likelihood of using such complexes? Yes, and nuclear weapons in general? Are we too hung up on him? I do not believe in the possibility of any nuclear conflict.



      But do not believe in the possibility of a nuclear conflict. We must have such a weapon that no one’s hand rises to our homeland.
  7. predator.3
    predator.3 25 September 2013 07: 27 New
    +3
    The Americans, you see, first achieved from the Russian authorities that the BZHRK did not skate around the country, but stood on the joke, and then persuaded Russia to finally destroy these complexes. But after all, Solovtsov was the initiator and the main driving force of their withdrawal from the combat composition of the troops and gradual utilization.


    Hmm, I remember the dashing 90s, like a nightmare, as one movie hero used to say: “They sold everything from underpants to secret torpedoes and all at the same price!” Packs of needles cut the latest submarines, planes, armored vehicles exported from eastern Europe rusted in the vast expanses of Siberia, officers worked as loaders to feed their families.
  8. My address
    My address 25 September 2013 07: 32 New
    +1
    Quite rightly, the grave of the EBN in Moscow and the monument to him in Eburg are protected from the will of the people. He also did a lot to disarm before the enemy. And when another Judas, Gorbachev, dies, DAM easily and he organizes a funeral on the highest level and protection. It is interesting only, maybe the wiggles are unfastening the guard?
  9. Rash
    Rash 25 September 2013 07: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: Laserson
    I do not believe in the possibility of any nuclear conflict.

    Want peace, get ready for war
  10. andruha70
    andruha70 25 September 2013 07: 39 New
    +3
    If we take into account some weighty reason for the refusal of combat railway complexes by the Russian military leadership, then these are large financial costs for their operation.
    here, after all, the matter is simple ... either you are "financially spent" on your defense ... or else someone is "spending" you on your ... request
  11. awg75
    awg75 25 September 2013 07: 42 New
    +3
    definitely need to return and point
  12. mirag2
    mirag2 25 September 2013 07: 43 New
    +1
    What is there to be surprised at? Only some kind of independence in foreign policy began to manifest itself, naturally this independence went against the interests of ordinary puppeteers — the USA, Israel, and the EU. Naturally, they began to try to lead us to a “common denominator,” we have to defend ourselves, and when it comes to All means are good for protection (especially if there are no robots). How can you not remember the missile trains — which in the era of the satellite eye remained invisible? Ha! I think that we have already left this naive age, “Gorbachev’s childhood” (let it be better Ukraine, esl she wants pohavat-and quite!) with us.
    Here are just a glimpse of Kudrin’s goat — he bastered foreign banks with our oil money (providing goods with a dollar) —and didn’t give money to restore missile trains. The liberal fucked up ...
  13. koksalek
    koksalek 25 September 2013 07: 57 New
    +2
    So what? As always, they will forgive these traitors and give them new portfolios, they say they say go on daring further for the "good" of the country. Has anything changed since the 90s? They steal billions already without hesitation and without fear of any responsibility, publicly spitting on everyone and everything
  14. Nayhas
    Nayhas 25 September 2013 08: 25 New
    +1
    The author is not quite right comparing the life of silo-based ICBMs and mobile ICBMs. The fact is that the storage conditions are different. It’s one thing when the rocket is in the mine at a stable temperature and humidity in an upright position (that is, the loads on the structure are minimal), another thing is when the temperature changes regularly, and the rocket itself is in a horizontal position under transverse loads, and also when transporting the rocket is dynamic loads and vibrations.
    Also, the problem of the commercial plan is not affected. The fact is that due to the high mass of the BZHRK, not all railway tracks can be used, in addition, the MO will have to pay for increased track wear for the same reason. Plus, the issue of logistics, to enter the movement of the BZHRK in the train schedule is very difficult given the increased secrecy of movement. And if we take into account the fact that it is simply not possible to secure the entire path of the BZHRK movement, then there will be those who want to repeat the fate of the Nevsky Express on the BZHRK ...
  15. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 25 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +2
    To buy a small railway company in America, to equip a New York-Washington freight train and carry a couple of nuclear bombs there, cheaply and angrily.
    But seriously, that surname sounded, Mr. Zaitsev publicly accused Mr. Solovtsov of state. treason, whether there will be consequences for at least one of them.
    1. andruha70
      andruha70 25 September 2013 11: 51 New
      0
      To buy a small railway company in America, to equip a New York-Washington freight train and carry a couple of nuclear bombs there, cheaply and angrily.
      everything ingenious is simple ... not just, but very simple ... laughing taking off my hat hi
  16. Strashila
    Strashila 25 September 2013 08: 59 New
    +2
    It will not even be possible to restore ... the entire infrastructure of the BZHRK was destroyed ... yes, there is no need to talk about secrecy.
  17. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 25 September 2013 09: 44 New
    +1
    Shaw Borya, Shaw Vova, Shaw Dima, Shaw Kuzhugetych, Shaw and the entire surrounding cohort is one bunch.
  18. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 25 September 2013 10: 22 New
    +2
    So here it has already been said that the GDP personally had a hand in the liquidation of the BZHRK. In his reign, no doubt. And here many applaud him for the delay in the attack on Syria. And they do not want to notice that Putin is disarming Syria together with Obama. And when disarm-the end of Syria.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 25 September 2013 18: 03 New
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      Quote: Sergey Medvedev
      So here it has already been said that the GDP personally had a hand in the liquidation of the BZHRK. In his reign, no doubt. And here many applaud him for the delay in the attack on Syria. And they do not want to notice that Putin is disarming Syria together with Obama. And when disarm-the end of Syria.

      Putin disarming Syria from chemical weapons from which Syria is still no use, since Bashar Assad will never dare to use it, for the same reason that no one is using it. It will cost more, applied, and the end of Syria.
  19. Letnab
    Letnab 25 September 2013 10: 32 New
    +1
    for sure, if you look closely, you can see that there are still people in power who sold our country in the 90s .. and now many people, having caught new conditions, are beginning to yell, saying that Russia is in danger ..
  20. Mikhail Topor
    Mikhail Topor 25 September 2013 12: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Medvedev
    Putin is disarming Syria with Obama. And when disarm-the end of Syria.

    hehe all business is that chemical weapons, like nuclear ones, are deterrence weapons and no one will fight them. in case of its local application - no more than provocation. Modern non-nuclear and non-chemical weapons are no less effective in local wars, and maybe even more effective and safe for personnel and civilians.

    There is no de facto actual disarmament in Syria. There is only talk that, as I know, is tied to Israel, namely the elimination of all types of WMD in the Middle East. From this perspective, the GDP policy is understandable, consistent, and even in some part of it - revolutionary - no one was allowed to raise Israel’s nuclear status for discussion.
    The assertion that the GDP together with Obama want the “end of Syria” is absurd and devoid of any logic.
  21. Mikhail Topor
    Mikhail Topor 25 September 2013 12: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Strashila
    Yes, there’s no need to talk about secrecy. Russian Railways has become a private shop

    Are you aware of the existence in Russia of private military industrial enterprises that carry out a state contract? smile same first departments, same regimen, difference only in beneficiaries
  22. SAG
    SAG 25 September 2013 12: 38 New
    +1
    The title for the article was invented by CEP himself bully
  23. vedmeddd
    vedmeddd 25 September 2013 12: 39 New
    0
    For any difficulties, such complexes must be revived in as much as possible!
  24. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 25 September 2013 13: 04 New
    +1
    I’m not surprised that the slammers were destroyed, such a US hemorrhoid interfered strongly, and that it was squeezed out with the help of national traitors by the hands of the military is also not surprising, all decisions were made in the Washington regional committee, and then the EBN team clicked their buttocks and started execution, another thing is interesting, without shouting and noise, the actions of canceling and deactivating such decisions begin (by the way, who remembers what efforts and funds were spent on reducing coal production and closing coal mines in the Russian Federation).
  25. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 25 September 2013 13: 24 New
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  26. Arabist
    Arabist 25 September 2013 14: 01 New
    0
    It’s always that they first destroyed it, and then these same people pour oceans of fake tears, “Oh, it wasn’t necessary!”.
  27. Moore
    Moore 25 September 2013 16: 39 New
    +1
    The article is saturated with stretch marks and fraud for the desired result.
    Now in order.
    The Americans, you see, first achieved from the Russian authorities that the BZHRK did not skate around the country, but stood on the joke, and then persuaded Russia to finally destroy these complexes. But after all, Solovtsov was the initiator and the main driving force of their withdrawal from the combat composition of the troops and gradual utilization.

    When the newly-born fathers of the nation were “joking” at the BZHRK, General Solovtsov at best commanded a missile army. And since then, these terrible complexes, in fact, have been a stationary, not protected by anything but a probability theory launcher with a command post and all the rest of the "convoy". And they were on duty, driving sections inside the base ... Yes, I know - if tomorrow is war, if tomorrow is camping - Spit on the contracts and go on a cast iron to the adversary to catch up with horror. The author (how is he recommended - to the veteran of the Strategic Missile Forces) knows such a concept - survivability of the Republic of Kazakhstan? And how is it achieved in the BZHRK? Yeah, the uncertainty of its location. Undermining the exit routes in peacetime and guiding enemy aircraft in this case will have only random difficulties.
    Now about General Solovtsov’s problem in conditions of lack of money and a shortage of literally everything: what to reduce first of all in order to save on the rest — the formidable but motionless BZHRK with all the infrastructure (36 missiles all over the country), or the rest of the economy, which has at least some a chance to survive in a war?
    The mobility of mobile Topol-M is limited to a certain radius around their main base. It would be naive to think that with modern means of space reconnaissance, a metal object with a length of more than 24 meters, a diameter of about 3,5 and a height of almost 5 meters, besides emitting a large amount of heat and electromagnetic radiation, can be hidden.
    The branching of the railway network provides the BZHRK in comparison with soil complexes with greater secrecy.

    Regarding the "metal object", yes, it is. APU can be watched live in St. Petersburg at the Artillery Museum and check out, of which 50 percent of it is made.
    The author, carried away, forgot one more little thing: BZHRK had its own complex of unmasking factors:
    -non-electrified paths at the starting positions;
    - the same as ground, electromagnetic and thermal radiation;
    -specific construction of wagons and locomotives, etc.
    In other words, he was determined, only on the route he was not caught - he had time to leave. Although when transmitting information in real time from satellites to the strike component (Iraq showed that it was, yes) in the European part of the Russian Federation, an attack by our complex was not ruled out. The smart heads of NII-4 and Dzerzhinka at sunset of the BZHRK were well aware of this problem and tried to implement some developments.
    If we take into account some weighty reason for the refusal of combat railway complexes by the Russian military leadership, then these are large financial costs for their operation.

    Well, yes, we understand everything, but it’s a pity that we love our favorite toy. I served in those years and I remember how, by hook or by crook, missile defense problems were fixed. How Russian enterprises were rebuilt for repairs and then for the manufacture of components and devices that were previously made in Ukraine. There was no quality at first. Add to this still the brainchild of Yuzhmash?

    I believe that in the 90s (and at the beginning of the XNUMXs, Ivanov, another reformer, huh), the Strategic Missile Forces command, like all other troops, aviation and the navy, cut themselves alive, trying to sacrifice small things to save more. Small did not always succeed ...
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 September 2013 20: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Moore
      . I served in those years and I remember how, by hook or by crook, missile defense problems were fixed. How Russian enterprises were rebuilt for repairs and then for the manufacture of components and devices that were previously made in Ukraine. There was no quality at first. Add to this still the brainchild of Yuzhmash?


      Okay Yuzhmash. I remember elementary batteries for DG in MOBDs there was nothing to change. It was said at the top no more than 30% of the required quantity. Here and still alive banks were soldered and sculpted one or less working one from several batteries. But the batteries were not elementary barbed wire, not to mention completely zero positions in spare parts (the same DG-3009 were produced in Riga). I wonder how else the units were on the go and the tasks were performed ..
  28. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 25 September 2013 17: 53 New
    +1
    The mobility of mobile Topol-M is limited to a certain radius around their main base. It would be naive to think that with modern means of space reconnaissance, a metal object with a length of more than 24 meters, a diameter of about 3,5 and a height of almost 5 meters, besides emitting a large amount of heat and electromagnetic radiation, can be hidden.


    Mobility "Topol-M" is conditionally limited by the route of 6000 km, the main base is not one. It is naive to think that among the hundreds of thousands of caravans from outer space one can distinguish those that transport ICBMs, they are no different, all the trucks generate heat, most trailers have a metal floor and panels, the dimensions of the trailer with a tractor are 20-25 m, etc.:
    Refrigerator for sale Hyundai HD 65 2011
    The completed engines D4DC, diesel, 4-cylinder, 3568ss, 100hp
    Wheelbase 3375mm
    Truck dimensions 6150 * 2000 * 2950
    Sizes of the booth 4180 * 1850 * 1800
    Volume of the booth 13.9m3
    70mm panels, aluminum
    Floor Corrugated Stainless Steel (SUS430)
    Thermal insulation Polyfoam or polyurethane

    The intensity of any radiation decreases in proportion to the square of the distance. Even with aeromagnetic surveys, it is possible to distinguish radiation sources with dimensions of only hundreds of meters, with an error in determining their location up to 2 km, any geophysicist will say so.
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 September 2013 02: 02 New
    +1
    The fact that they cut it is not scary. Amer in those years, too, a lot of what was allowed under the knife. It’s bad that they didn’t develop it on the Russian production base. And the fact that Putin wrote off. so there the rocket is outdated and the complex itself. And do not forget. that all this was collected in Ukraine, so it is likely that the documentation for the complex was already in the hands of amers. That is the question. We need this complex in principle7. If yes, then we need to develop it and put it into service without particularly advertising.