"Duck" named Yanukovych limped?

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18 September 2013 of the year, the Ukrainian government, in unison, expressed approval of the draft agreement, according to which Ukraine chooses the European vector of development, namely the association agreement with the EU. Now Viktor Yanukovych, who pushed the Cabinet to this decision, has only to endorse this document. At the next stage, Ukraine will wait for the decision of the European Union itself that it is ready to be associated with Ukraine. Apparently, such an EU decision will be made at the next EU summit, which will take place in a couple of months in Vilnius.

"Duck" named Yanukovych limped?


The European partners of Ukraine have already expressed their approval to the “outstanding” deed of Viktor Yanukovich and the Ukrainian government about their desire to join the Free Trade Zone with European “brothers”. The representative of the European Union in Ukraine Mr. Tombinsky was able to voice his approval literally in the “online” mode. He stated that the summit in Vilnius, the citation: "will be our common success." Promptly speaking about the decision of the Ukrainian parliament, Tombinsky was helped by the fact that he was at the meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine at the time of the decision. The case is remarkable. The presence at the meeting of the Ukrainian government of the EU representative in many respects resembles the presence of American “consultants” at the meetings of the Russian governments at the dawn of the nineties, as does the presence of foreign “assistants” at the meeting of the Georgian Cabinet of the “omnipotence” party of Mikhail Saakashvili in Georgia. Like, I understand that you are the ministers of an independent state, but I still sit side by side here so that the decisions are made right ... If the meeting goes in the wrong direction, then I will try to make some corrections ...

In addition to Jan Tombinsky, the idea of ​​signing an association agreement with the European Union was supported by such Mr. Alexander Vershbow, who is currently the Deputy Secretary General of NATO. At the government meeting, however, Vershbow was not present, otherwise it would be a complete set ...

It would seem, moreover, here is the opinion of Vershbow, and how it generally relates to the Free Trade Zone and the European Union institutions. Legally, of course, no. But did NATO ever stop legal restrictions ...
Alexander Vershbow decided to link his joy with Ukraine’s readiness to associate with the European Union with the Ukraine-NATO partnership:

The future of NATO-Ukraine cooperation looks promising. Ukraine probably will not look for opportunities to join the organization, but intensive cooperation with NATO demonstrates a sufficient level of support for Ukraine’s priorities in joining the EU. And we will do everything possible to help Ukraine to complete these tasks.


Thus, Vershbow, as it were, decided to remind official Kiev that although it positions itself as the capital of a non-bloc state, but time passes, the world changes ... What if? .. "Suddenly" means that as soon as Viktor Yanukovych decides (if after all, he will decide) to finally dive headlong into Western “democracy” and inadvertently declare that he can push Ukraine toward rapprochement with NATO, then the North Atlantic Alliance will spread into a friendly smile and will eventually take Ukraine under its wing.

In addition, Vershbow makes it clear that, by and large, even the declared non-aligned status of Ukraine is not a problem:

Despite this status of Ukraine, cooperation between NATO and Ukraine has recently become more efficient and productive. In particular, it was Ukraine that made a great contribution to the maintenance of peacekeeping missions and the resolution of crisis situations in Kosovo and Afghanistan.


They say that it’s not necessary to join “us”, the main thing is to be friends with us, and then the matter will be visible. In this traces a certain analogy with the anecdotal "he was not a homosexual himself, but he was inclined towards friendship with them."

So, it turns out that Viktor Yanukovych, already without five minutes, succeeded in something that the “orange” activists could not do in several years of their time at the helm of the Ukrainian authorities. It is noteworthy that after the announcement that the Ukrainian president chose a course for European integration, not just anyone, but Viktor Yushchenko himself expressed words of approval in his regard. The ex-president announced that if Ukraine signs an association agreement with the European Union, he will personally send Yanukovych a congratulatory telegram. And it turns out that Yushchenko’s case lives! ..

It’s only interesting what now remains for those Ukrainian citizens who voted for Mr. Yanukovich, who promised to integrate more closely with Russia, put an end to the talk about Ukraine’s accession to NATO, decide on raising the status of the Russian language, agree on lowering energy prices. It turns out that Yanukovych simply threw his voters, earning a temporary and, of course, false authority with the "orange". The fact that for politicians "kidalovo", especially after the elections, is often an ordinary matter, it is clear to everyone. But the highlight of the situation is that the world average level of the political “scammer” Yanukovych is far superior. The lion's share of his election promises turned out to be a lie, which already makes Viktor Fyodorovich a political corpse - after all, only a year and a half remains before the presidential elections in Ukraine. If Yanukovych seriously expects that now those who voted for Tymoshenko or Yushchenko will support him now, he is deeply mistaken. Yulia is languishing in the Kharkov dungeon in general, at the suggestion of the current president ... This point from the flank of supporters of the “woman with a scythe” does not exactly add to him. Yes, and by and large Yanukovych in general seriously got into a mess: it is obvious that he lost some of his trust, and he hardly has time to earn the trust of others. If not a “lame duck” to the full, then some kind of “coughing drake” ...

So, the Ukrainian authorities decided to start the path to the EU, while on the way of association and entry into the Free Trade Zone with the European Union. Well, knowing that this is by no means the choice of the majority of the Ukrainian people, it simply does not make sense to condemn it: “Yushchenko” and “Yanukovychs” come and go, but we still live next to it. Therefore, we will not move on to thinking about the fact that “we are brothers or not brothers” (especially since it is usually the twentieth deal for the authorities), but we will try to reflect on the topic of an exclusively economic future.

First you need to assume that Ukraine “pro-associates” and entered into the FTA (Free Trade Zone) with the European Union. As already mentioned by the advisor to the Russian president, this step of the Ukrainian leadership actually means that Ukraine will not be able to enter the Customs Union (CU) and the Common Economic Space (CES). Are there any advantages for Ukraine in joining the FTA? Supporters of the European Association claim that there is. They look like this: the average customs rate for Ukrainian goods entering the EU will fall from 7,6 to 0,5 percent (more than 15 times!) It seems that everything is great for Ukrainian manufacturers, and they need to proceed to the calculation of profits.
However, the same supporters of Ukrainian European integration forget (or simply do not know) that the European Union is ready to let in to itself goods only from those Ukrainian manufacturers that have switched to European standardization. Today, such manufacturers in Ukraine, as they say, the cat wept, because the overwhelming number of Ukrainian goods all this time went far in the western direction ...

For all, without exception, the existing enterprises of Ukraine to be standardized according to EU standards, it takes years and money. Will the EU wait for these years, and who will allocate the money? Why wait for the European Union? It will simply start to increase the flow of goods towards Ukraine, since the Ukrainian border for European goods will open, and no “Ukrainian standardization” is required for the EU (how could this very clever association agreement be written for the European Union itself ...). Ukraine will have to cut customs duties for goods from the EU more than twice (by the way, Ukrainian Prime Minister Azarov himself said this). That is, it turns out that while Ukrainian enterprises will standardize under the European GOST, Europeans will, firstly, quietly flood the Ukrainian market with their products, and, secondly, give Ukraine money in the form of loans for this very standardization. As a result, the Ukrainian manufacturer (who has not managed to standardize in a European way today) hangs on European loans, not being able to supply its goods to Europe in the course of several years of transition to a new standardization and losing the ability to deliver goods at the past (still current) tariffs to the Russian market (total of the Customs Union).

Experts at the Center for Economic Research say that in the medium term (minimum, 5-10 years), the growth of Ukrainian welfare in connection with the entry into the FTA will be 1,3%. This is what turns out, the welfare of Ukraine after entering the Free Trade Area in the EU will grow "as much" by 0,13-0,26% per year? I would like to look at the man who considers such growth impressive ...

By the way, one should not forget that the European economic principles concern increasing the tax burden on individual production sectors. Will the Ukrainian producers withstand even higher taxes? Someone will endure, and someone just orders to live long, unless he finally sits down on the European "fraternal" loans.

I wonder if Viktor Yanukovich himself is aware of such an economic “breakthrough” of Ukraine? Or the revealed desire to be liked by the West, having shown Moscow to “fucking mother”, is much more important than people's interests for Viktor Dolnedever.
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  1. Grigorich 1962
    +38
    20 September 2013 08: 28
    I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people
    1. +54
      20 September 2013 08: 55
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people

      The people had nothing to do with it at all. The people, as they were, remained part of the Russian people. It’s another thing that the state itself was created artificially. A piece from one, a piece from the other, a little from the third. But a single people did not work out.
      1. Natalia
        +5
        20 September 2013 10: 14
        Quote: domokl
        The people had nothing to do with it at all. The people, as they were, remained part of the Russian people. It’s another thing that the state itself was created artificially. A piece from one, a piece from the other, a little from the third. But a single people did not work out.

        And I'm sure someday the people will take everything into their own hands, it will be exactly when they get enough of this very free trade and "democracy" .... but for now, as it says ...
        join the free trade zone with European "brothers"

        ... yes, exactly, while they have new European "brothers" .... here.
        1. +5
          20 September 2013 21: 53
          Natalia (2) RU "I'm sure someday people will take everything into their own hands,"
          -------------------------------------------------- -----
          Your words, yes GOD in your ears! Only you yourself believe in what you say?
          The people themselves will not be able to do ANYTHING, unfortunately, and there is no need to harbor illusions. This incidentally applies not only to Ukraine, but to all other countries. Anything can be decided only by a MAN with a gun, and this is an ARMY! Here I am, for example, I would put the entire government and the Verkhovna Rada to the WALL, but what can I do here? NOTHING.
      2. +25
        20 September 2013 11: 08
        Quote: domokl
        The people have nothing to do with it.


        everything is relative
        1. Natalia
          +7
          20 September 2013 11: 29
          Quote: seller trucks
          everything is relative

          And in the photo it’s not the hours of Lviv (Lviv tobish) ... otherwise they are lovers of such events there ....
          1. +11
            20 September 2013 11: 36
            Quote: Natalia
            Quote: seller trucks
            everything is relative

            And in the photo it’s not the hours of Lviv (Lviv tobish) ... otherwise they are lovers of such events there ....


            so otozh
            1. Natalia
              +6
              20 September 2013 11: 40
              Quote: seller trucks
              so otozh

              Ha ... I thought so. Western Ukraine is more like a gentry. Well, nothing has fundamentally changed, they still want to be knights ....
              1. +9
                20 September 2013 11: 43
                Quote: Natalia
                Ha ... I thought so. Western Ukraine is more like a gentry.


                Natalia, many argue that we are brothers
                1. Natalia
                  +15
                  20 September 2013 11: 53
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  Natalia, many argue that we are brothers

                  Not with the knights, what kind of brothers (sisters) we are ...
                  There are just brothers (sisters) who want to be knights, but at the same time they are mistaken ... we have been knights since ancient times, and Ukrainians, by the way, are also Cossacks. Current, some prefer to forget about it. There Georgians also wanted to become rangers, under Mr. Sahak, the idea, as you remember, failed ... and did not find support in society.
                  So we need to be ourselves, and do not forget that we have a common history ... relatives are common to many.
                  So ..... here.
                  1. +3
                    20 September 2013 12: 01
                    Quote: Natalia
                    Not well with the knights, well what kind of brothers are we


                    little remark, they (the Cossacks) were called "litsars"

                    "In drunkenness and frivolity," says the Frenchman Beauplan, "the Cossacks tried to surpass each other, and there are hardly any in all Christian Europe such carefree heads as the Cossacks. There is no people in the world that could compare with the Cossacks in drunkenness: they will not have time to sleep and are already getting drunk again "
                    1. +12
                      20 September 2013 12: 36
                      Quote: seller trucks
                      little remark, they (the Cossacks) were called "litsars"

                      An even smaller remark - WHAT COSSACKS WERE IN GALITSAYSHCHIN? Hutsul Sich laughing ? Where are the Cossacks among the Galicians ?! Lviv is a city that received "privileges" (privileges) from the Polish crown for resisting the Cossacks! Galitsai the Cossack !? A submarine in the steppes of Ukraine died in an unequal air battle.
                2. +25
                  20 September 2013 12: 31
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  Natalia, many argue that we are brothers

                  The Galicians are not even Slavs. These are the descendants of the ancient wild Dacian tribes of carps. The same Romanians, and have nothing to do with Ukrainians at all. Galicians, Galician, mongrels of Europe, a wild mixture of Polish, Czech, Hungarian, Romanian genes. With the help of persistent brainwashing the rest of the inhabitants of Ukraine turned the concept of "Ukrainian" upside down. They are now Ukrainians: to fall, do not get up! And they teach us the Ukrainian language and culture! Customs! And the authorities support this (for the money of the Western diasporas, of course). And it already turns out, that primordial Ukraine is not Poltava, Chernihiv and Kharkiv, but Galicia! The world is going crazy.
                3. +10
                  20 September 2013 12: 48
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  many argue that we are brothers

                  They are not brothers to us, eSeS monkeys negative
                  1. +3
                    20 September 2013 13: 10
                    as I understand you Yes
                4. +6
                  20 September 2013 18: 28
                  Zapadentsy is not even our brothers. We are the largest and most adequate part of the country's population. Grandfather Stalin was still slightly mistaken when he annexed Lemberg (current lions) to Soviet Ukraine. We would remain under the Poles, even if they had a headache. No, the late Chornovil was right when he said that only federalization would save Ukraine as a single state.
            2. +15
              20 September 2013 12: 47
              So where does this emblem come from, but why do they not drag portraits of Hitler? The omission is exactly the same, you need to match the story. Ugh. U, P, O, D, Y
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            3. AndreyAB
              +2
              20 September 2013 17: 44
              It’s funny and annoying to look at these clowns how people can be fooled and reduced to the level of not nationalists, but to the level of sheep whose goat leads to the slaughterhouse and at the same time convinced that their wool and meat will benefit them.
        2. apostrophe
          -10
          20 September 2013 11: 52
          And what does this picture prove? With the same success, you can remember the Vlasovites, do you think it will prove that the people of the USSR were against the Soviet regime? smile
          1. +24
            20 September 2013 12: 03
            Quote: Apostrophe
            And what does this picture prove? With the same success, you can remember the Vlasovites, do you think it will prove that the people of the USSR were against the Soviet regime?


            what proves? hmm, in Russia, Vlasov and the ROA are traitors, and in Ukraine are heroes. Something like this...
            1. apostrophe
              +6
              20 September 2013 15: 15
              Do not confuse power and people, this is not the same thing. Otherwise, it turns out that the people in 91 really wanted the collapse of the USSR, but this is not so.
            2. Don
              +8
              20 September 2013 17: 07
              Quote: seller trucks
              Vlasov and the ROA are traitors in Russia, and heroes in Ukraine. Something like this.

              Not all of Ukraine. If some stupid people consider them heroes, it is not necessary for the whole people to sign up for it.
          2. +1
            20 September 2013 14: 03
            Quote: Apostrophe
            And what does this picture prove?

            Personally, nothing to you, all God's dew fool
            1. apostrophe
              +5
              20 September 2013 14: 47
              As always, damn meaningful answer, well done smile
        3. +16
          20 September 2013 12: 28
          Well, that was also the case.
        4. 0
          20 September 2013 14: 52
          Quote: seller trucks
          everything is relative

          And don’t say ....
          1. +11
            20 September 2013 17: 37
            This Mr. Vnyuk, with the tattoo of the fascist coat of arms "an eagle with a swastika", is to be tried for the spread of fascist symbols and sentenced to remove the "picture" from his back without painkillers. In another way, these do not understand.
            1. jasper
              +2
              20 September 2013 20: 43
              Yes, this type is known, by the way it sits including 282 and 105
      3. +7
        20 September 2013 12: 44
        Quote: domokl

        The people have nothing to do with it

        Hi Sasha! And you read the comments of some Ukrainians, they are also part of the people. Part of this people is hated by Russia and very frankly.
        1. +12
          20 September 2013 13: 08
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Sasha! And you read the comments of some Ukrainians, they are also part of the people. Part of this people is hated by Russia and very frankly.


          I am not Sasha, the question is not for me, I will insert my "five cents", on VO this (comments) is within the bounds of decency, in any case, they (Ukrainians) are more or less, almost tame, if you read the comments on other forums (Ukrainian), it's just Russophobia in the cube, I spent two years at the Politforums (e), so this is, in general, the Ecumenical Cesspool, it's true not only Ukrainians, there are enough "our" obscurantists. So about the "friendship of peoples" and "brotherhood", while these same .... do not "eat up" Square, talk to them about what.
          1. +3
            20 September 2013 14: 04
            Quote: seller trucks
            I'm not Sasha

            I wrote to Domoclu !!!!!
          2. +7
            20 September 2013 18: 22
            they (Ukrainians) are more or less, almost tame

            Well, who are you after that? The answer is a breeding ground for obscurantists. I’m not sure that someone didn’t drag this quote to the Natsyuk forum as proof that it’s impossible to be friends with the Russians, because they consider us not even their servants, but pets.
            Threat. He himself sat on the Natsyuk forum until he was banned for 735000 for years and I affirm that those who are bruised to death, as you say there 4-5 part of the maximum. Just stink more from them.
            1. +1
              21 September 2013 11: 04
              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              Well, who are you after that? The answer is a breeding ground for obscurantists.


              I'm not Wednesday, I'm Vital! feel
              in essence: if you do not pull the quote out of context, my statement, "white and fluffy" and concerns specific people.

              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              Threat. He himself sat on the Natsyuk forum until he was banned for 735000 for years and I affirm that those who are bruised to death, as you say there 4-5 part of the maximum. Just stink more from them.


              give you links to forums? Phrase, Corr, UP. there are 2/3 of them. I would still remember NR2 mid-2000, where the real "tin" was
        2. apostrophe
          +2
          20 September 2013 15: 16
          And better in Sevastopol or Odessa ask how they relate to Russia.
        3. kavkaz8888
          +1
          20 September 2013 23: 07
          Most of these "some Ukrainians" are pure trolls. Jumping gallop.
      4. +3
        20 September 2013 14: 16
        Well, exactly according to the principle - "I will not eat, I will take a bite" ... and then whatever happens ...
      5. AndreyAB
        +4
        20 September 2013 17: 42
        Speaking about the outskirts, we are talking about ourselves, another piece of the Slavic world was split off by "civilians", and the fate of the outskirts (Ukraine) is sad, after the signing of these scribbles, the country will split in two, and that part that will strive for Russia will be mercilessly destroyed, with the hands of Western Judas , and Russia, as has recently become a tradition, will again adhere to "international principles and will betray the Russians from the outskirts, and then, if a miracle does not happen, it will be Russia's turn.
        1. +7
          20 September 2013 17: 54
          Speaking of the borderlands, we are talking about ourselves,

          Calling us Okraintsy, you yourself are breaking off no worse than the fool Yanukovych. Just do not blah blah blah about the ancient name of Ukraine. I will never call modern Russian Muscovite, motivating me that Russia was once called Muscovite. Just out of respect for the Russians.
          By the way, Ukraine-outskirts is just one of the versions. Enlighten:
          The name Ukraine first appears in the Ipatiev Chronicle in the 1187 year.
          There are several theories about the origin of the name "Ukraine".
          According to one of them, the name comes from the all-Slavic “Ukraine”, “border region”, which was first applied to the border territories of Kievan Rus - Pereyaslav principality and later subsequently extended to neighboring territories.
          In the future, the name "Ukraine" was also used to name the eastern lands of the Commonwealth, which is recorded in the maps of Ukraine by Guillaume de Beauplan XVII century.
          According to another version, the toponym “Ukraine” came from the old Slavic “steal” (that is, highlight, cut out part of the total).
          It is also possible that the name of Ukraine comes from the word "land", "country" that is simply "country", "land inhabited by its people", and "Ukrainian" meant "compatriot".
          1. +1
            21 September 2013 11: 27
            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            The name Ukraine first appears in the Ipatiev Chronicle in the 1187 year.


            even if this is allowed, the Ipatiev Chronicle dates from about the middle of the 15 century, it is at least 250 later than your date

            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            There are several theories about the origin of the name "Ukraine".


            in Ukraine, yes, perhaps more, in any case, the official "outskirts" are not considered
      6. +3
        20 September 2013 19: 04
        each nation is worthy of the leadership that they themselves have chosen, and if some did not go to the polls then this is their problem and one should not think that everything does not depend on the people, and if simplified the average layman does not go to the polls, then all extremists go to the polls elections and choose what is close to them
        Quote: domokl
        The people have nothing to do with it at all. The people, as they were, remained part of the Russian people
        1. 7ydmco
          +4
          20 September 2013 20: 34
          Believe in the election? In vain. Often, out of two or more candidates, there are no normal ones.
          1. +1
            20 September 2013 23: 06
            7ydmco RU Today, 20:34 ↑

            Believe in the election? In vain. Often, out of two or more candidates, there are no normal ones.
            No, in two or three, put forward "your", the one you believe, "normal" as you say. Well, if you don't want to, bear with the stubs.
      7. igorelo
        -4
        21 September 2013 01: 22
        Ukrainians have never been part of your 'great' people. And talk about your pieces that you occupied
    2. +21
      20 September 2013 09: 09
      The duck limped ... it's time to let her in for soup.
      1. Natalia
        +18
        20 September 2013 10: 54
        By the way, did you notice yes? As soon as Yanukovych became accommodating, the EU immediately forgot about Tymoshenko winked .... here it is real politics.
        I think that Yanukovych was afraid that if he would be an "inconvenient" partner for the EU, then the European "brothers" would force Yulia to be released, and Yulia would then put Viktor in prison.
        So I think that Eurointegr’s choice is based not so much on economic considerations as on fear of Viktor Fedorovich himself ... he was afraid that the EU would give Julia a chance, a chance to take revenge ... well, and put him in jail as an option.

        Yeahhhhh ... politics.
        1. MG42
          +7
          20 September 2013 12: 17
          Quote: Natalia
          I think that Yanukovych was afraid that if he would be an "inconvenient" partner for the EU, then the European "brothers" would force Yulia to be released, and Yulia would then put Viktor in prison.


          What was he afraid of? The Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers fully approved yesterday >>
          The strategic course of Ukraine towards European integration has received support in parliament. This was made possible thanks to an absolute majority of the people who understood the correctness of Viktor Yanukovych’s choice of team regarding the country's development vector. Following the deputies, the Government also made its contribution to the process of Ukraine joining the Association with the EU. This is reported by "Details".

          At their meeting, the ministers approved a package of the European integration agreement. Now the process of preparing directly for the signing of the agreement at the Vilnius Summit of the Eastern Partnership will begin. Legislation, standards of the Ukrainian economy and other areas of life need to be harmonized with European ones. The standards of the Ukrainian market of alcohol and tobacco products in Ukraine do not yet correspond to European ones. But politicians and businessmen are already thinking about this. This topic was dedicated to a round table on which the news was reported: prices for alcohol and cigarettes in Ukraine will rise.


          http://34.ua/news/society/24364-magda-evrointegraciya.html

          1. Natalia
            +4
            20 September 2013 12: 47
            Quote: MG42
            What was he scared of? Yesterday the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers fully approved

            Well, this is also, as well as a guarantee that in the future Julia will not commit Vitya DesMach-Vendetta, unless Vitya bickers at the European integration at the request of the Russians ... here.
            1. MG42
              +6
              20 September 2013 12: 55
              Quote: Natalia
              Well, this is also, as well as a guarantee that in the future Julia will not commit Vitya DesMach-Vendetta

              I think that they decided to sacrifice Yulia despite all the squeals of the opposition for the sake of signing this agreement ... there was no such thing that "Blow", "Svoboda" and "BYuT" supported Yanukovych here, if you recall his past performance in the Rada under whistles and shouts and the present they say in Odessa = 2 big differences ..
              Here Lutsenko was released for compliance, apparently? now it doesn’t shout <gang GOT!> as it was before landing ..
        2. oazis
          +6
          20 September 2013 13: 57
          Quote: Natalia
          By the way, did you notice yes? As soon as Yanukovych became accommodating, the EU immediately forgot about Tymoshenko

          You are wrong, "Europe continues to insist on solving the Tymoshenko problem"
          http://glavnoe.ua/news/n149012
          and it pleases, as there is hope that Yanukovych will not decide on such a step (in this case he will take Yulka’s place himself) and the association will not be signed
          1. MG42
            +4
            20 September 2013 18: 36
            Quote: oaziss
            You are wrong, "Europe continues to insist on solving the Tymoshenko problem"
            http://glavnoe.ua/news/n149012

            The trick is that Ukraine has its own information war, and in particular the opposition resources that are controlled by such irreconcilable byut-business oppositionists such as Avakov, therefore .. bully
            They still can’t print it .. there are also spheres of influence of the PR and BYuT on their ally parties in the European Parliament, but this is an undercover policy ..
            1. MG42
              +3
              20 September 2013 23: 20
              So that there is no doubt about what I said above in my post about the information war in Ukraine, here is Avakov's article from the same resource, just yesterday >>>
              Under the guise of European integration, the PR is trying to arrange a "***** wedding of marauders", - Avakov
              19 September 2013 08: 21

              http://glavnoe.ua/news/n148890
        3. bif
          +2
          20 September 2013 20: 09
          By the way, did you notice yes? As soon as Yanukovych became accommodating, the EU immediately forgot about Tymoshenko
          “The answer here is simple: as soon as everything is legalized, Yanukovych will simply be forced to release Tymoshenko, and no one of his groans will be of interest to anyone. Now Tymoshenko is not important for the EU, now it is important to sign an agreement so as not to frighten away the suckers. as you please. " ARTICLE Ukraine's time is up. http://www.contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3342-vremya-ukrainy-vyshlo
        4. valerii41
          0
          21 September 2013 19: 33
          Yulia will be elected president Yanukovych will go on vacation to that cell on that bed, where Yulia was gaining strength
    3. 8NEO8
      +52
      20 September 2013 09: 10
      The people in Ukraine are not fraternal, but native. The brotherly people in Serbia live.
      1. transbiz-ka
        +6
        20 September 2013 11: 26
        True addition, fully support !!!
      2. georg737577
        +3
        20 September 2013 20: 16
        Cool dude said! A huge plus!
    4. +30
      20 September 2013 09: 41
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people


      ... hmm! I have relatives there and friends stayed there fool angry

      In the 17 years I lived there, not a single normal president, doing something for his country, because he was elected by the people - did not have! crying
      1. +5
        20 September 2013 09: 48
        and for what minus? really eyes hurts?
        1. Misantrop
          +8
          20 September 2013 10: 35
          Quote: LaGlobal
          really eyes hurts?
          Naturally. But there are no arguments. Moreover, there is not even a brain to come up with an argument. That's minus ... request
        2. +5
          20 September 2013 12: 52
          Quote: LaGlobal
          and for what minus? really eyes hurts?

          The one who set the minus to you, probably yes. I won’t be surprised if I find out that the person who minus you took part in the SS marches. I read his comments, many of which were deleted.
      2. Natalia
        +9
        20 September 2013 10: 33
        Quote: LaGlobal
        ..mda! I have relatives there and friends stayed there
        In the 17 years I lived there, not a single normal president, doing something for his country, because he was elected by the people - was not!

        ... I sympathize, but in the end, they will not go anywhere, they are also nearby, next to Russia ... what so what is very upset ... request
        ... in this sense I’m more fortunate, I have all my relatives in Belarus winked
        1. +8
          20 September 2013 10: 44
          Quote: Natalia
          .. sympathize, but in the end, they won’t go anywhere, they’re also close by, next to Russia ... what so, why get upset ... request
          ... in this sense I was more fortunate, I have all my relatives in Belarus winked


          Greetings, Natalia! We can on "YOU" feel ?
          Thanks for the sympathy.

          Yes, I agree that we will always be there, and will always help our brothers and friends!

          I remembered a quote from one Hollywood action movie: "DO NOT TURN FROM THE FAMILY, EVEN IF SHE TURNED FROM YOU" ...

          So, let's not turn away from our friends and relatives!
          1. Natalia
            +6
            20 September 2013 11: 07
            Quote: LaGlobal
            Thanks for the sympathy.

            Yes, always please, but you know you can do it for YOU, I don’t mind that.
            Quote: LaGlobal
            I remembered a quote from one Hollywood action movie: "DO NOT TURN FROM THE FAMILY, EVEN IF SHE TURNED FROM YOU" ...

            Oooooh my husband is dragging himself from this film, this FORCING, I’ve been dragging around with him for the last part twice ...
            Quote: LaGlobal
            So, let's not turn away from our friends and relatives!

            But sho I am in favor, do I turn away (do we turn away) ... we will teach them, sometimes scold them, but that’s because we love them fellow , they are not indifferent to us ... smile they just got in touch with a bad gopkompashka, not even make peace wink
            1. +1
              20 September 2013 13: 22
              Quote: Natalia
              they just got in touch with a bad gopkompashka, not even make peace


              This gopkompashka - to disperse as soon as lousy hyenas!

              And would rather be reconciled. And as they say (refer to the political figures of Ukraine and its leadership): do not chase two rabbits, it is already known that you will not catch a single one, and do not sit on two chairs, because again, do not sit on one!

              Brothers - UKRAINIANS, YOU DO NOT NEED WESTERN!
              The power of Ukraine - the frayer's greed ruined ... Think about it.
              1. +1
                20 September 2013 23: 35
                LaGlobal SU Today, 13:22 ↑

                Quote: Natalia
                they just got in touch with a bad gopkompashka, not even make peace


                This gopkompashka - to disperse as soon as lousy hyenas!
                If Russia behaves more actively on the "Ukrainian field" may well lead to elections in 2015 about the Russian president.
                Brothers - UKRAINIANS, YOU DO NOT NEED WESTERN!
                The power of Ukraine - the frayer's greed ruined ... Think about it.
                The authorities and the oligarchs have already integrated into Europe, and many of ordinary Ukrainians sincerely believe the propaganda that there is Paradise in the "West", and until they feel all the "charms" on themselves, they will not believe hi
          2. xan
            +2
            20 September 2013 13: 46
            Quote: LaGlobal
            I remembered a quote from one Hollywood action movie: "DO NOT TURN FROM THE FAMILY, EVEN IF SHE TURNED FROM YOU" ...

            "If the whole world has turned its back on you, this does not mean that the whole world is right" (Nietzsche)
        2. +6
          20 September 2013 11: 54
          they won’t go anywhere, they’re also nearby, near Russia
          the Baltic states are also there all their lives, however ..... the constitution must be revised, which was painted by the crusaders at the request of the drunkard
    5. -4
      20 September 2013 11: 47
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people

      there are no brothers there, just as there are none in Bulgaria, in Serbia, in Slovenia, Slovakia ..... each for himself: and the weak is used to giving.
      1. Natalia
        +18
        20 September 2013 12: 11
        Quote: hert
        there are no brothers there, as there are none of them, and in Serbia

        Well, okay .... about Serbia, my dad flew there on a business trip two years ago, he was a military man, he told me, he says: "You can't even imagine with what hope the Serbs look at the revival of Russia." The Serbs themselves say: "Yes, we got into this mess, we are forced to live by their rules, but we remember who bombed us, and at the first opportunity we are eager to get up from our knees ..." and, as Pope said, Serbs do not see themselves in Europe , as he says: "the attitude towards Serbs in European society as a fragment of the Russian-Soviet Empire, on which one can now recoup" ...
        ... that’s why you say so, the Serbs feel themselves to be Slavs, and they have high hopes for the growing role of Russia in the world arena.

        PS My dad is very angry with Clinton because he bombed Yugoslavia. Dad believes that we simply must avenge Yugoslavia ... as it will not matter, but the fact itself should be.
        1. xan
          +3
          20 September 2013 13: 50
          Quote: Natalia
          PS My dad is very angry with Clinton because he bombed Yugoslavia. Dad believes that we simply must avenge Yugoslavia ... as it will not matter, but the fact itself should be.

          Nothing, we have a good memory
        2. Current 72
          +2
          21 September 2013 00: 38
          Nataliya ! How right is your Father !!!
    6. +6
      20 September 2013 11: 55
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people

      The people’s perspective is just hopeless, we have to admit.

      The whole point is in the emerging shit, which in our Ukraine is called the "elite" - politicians, businessmen, clerks. The corruption behind the scenes welcomed by the West has allowed all these bastards to steal capital. And since the stolen (so as not to be taken away) is intensively transferred to foreign accounts in the same West, it turns out that the West holds all Ukrainian oligarchs by the testicles in the strongest way.
      Ukrainian "politicians" have just as much freedom as the American ambassador gives them. And any of them will instantly lose everything - money, real estate, enterprises both in Ukraine and abroad - as soon as they show signs of disobedience.
      Ukraine is occupied, and the American ambassador acts as a gauler.

      Therefore, Ukraine is being dragged into the EU regardless of the opinion of the people and the fucking "elite".

      However, it is enough for the elite to do what they say - and a quiet old age is provided for them. Each of them has prepared for themselves spare airfields in Europe and not only. At the first signs of personal danger, they will run away from the "reed nenki" on their private planes, like our ex-chief prosecutor Piskun, to Nice to their villa.

      He also boasts that he lives well, and even the children at the local school did not retake exams, because In Kiev, they studied at a school that, although it does not meet the standards of the Ministry of Education of Ukraine, but is fully consistent with the European education program. There is such a school in Kiev, stuffed with children of people's deputies, after which it’s unrealistic to enter a Ukrainian university, because her certificate does not comply with Ukrainian education laws.

      Tell me, if they teach their children at school, after which they have no way in Ukraine - do Ukrainian neo-feudal lords associate the future of their children (and theirs too) with the country they are stealing? ..

      The situation is out! And the people are silent ...
      Even the Romanians figured out their Ceausescu, and the Ukrainians do not seem to mind becoming slaves.

      :(
      1. xan
        +1
        20 September 2013 14: 26
        Quote: Skating rink
        The situation is out! And the people are silent ...

        the people are still silent
        and let all sorts of dumps, rats always run from a sinking ship.
        They will not take their land with them
        Other people will come to power
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    7. +6
      20 September 2013 12: 50
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people

      I can only regret that you consider the Russians the fraternal people of the Russians.
      We are one people!
      How much can this be explained?
    8. 0
      21 September 2013 15: 47
      Congratulations, it should be so, It’s just another blow missed by our elite, For too long they mumbled for a long time shaking with all kinds of pieces of paper, The one who wins quickly proves that it is beneficial to the elite, I have been pragmatic about all these gifts for a long time, Why regret, I also regret regretting Georgians Well, they will once again remind you by the power of arms of what all sorts of beautiful words are worth, It’s time to just accept today's realities, That they didn’t know that they were going there they knew perfectly, And don’t have to make snot here the other day, some politician of the Government of Ukraine will bother to persuade Putin don’t put pressure on the unfortunate Ukraine and help to economically hold out, And that it will be iron, the main money comes from here, it’s necessary to put a fog in, It’s a logical and beautiful gesture, I have always been struck by the fact that our authorities have close policies that are rare and the reason is not always clear on which they gathered and one more moment in recent years some promises began to sound often or something like this and you carefully read a damn thing except the words, they’re definitely eating a dog here. You don’t understand whether our friend or not, the words often sound the same,
  2. Valery Neonov
    +6
    20 September 2013 08: 29
    The law is not written to fools .. winked
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 11: 56
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Fools law is not written.

      law for all, exceptions for myself ...........
    2. 0
      20 September 2013 12: 29
      ... if it is written it is not understood, if it is understood it is not so fool
    3. +1
      20 September 2013 12: 38
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      The law is not written to fools ..

      Friends are everything, enemies are the law!
      Franco.
    4. AndreyAB
      +1
      20 September 2013 17: 48
      Handsome, drags people into the BLUE community of European peoples, and this gesture reminds me of someone, I do not envy the peoples of the border with such leaders (Fuhrer).
    5. -1
      21 September 2013 10: 39
      Quote: Valery Neon
      The law is not written to fools .. winked

      "Air kiss" Judah...
  3. +16
    20 September 2013 08: 33
    We will witness another big lie of the West for the realization of our own goals and interests. It seems that Ukraine needs sympathy, but I don’t feel like it, let them cones get stuffed. You look and grow wiser.
    1. +5
      20 September 2013 09: 13
      In any case, the example of Ukraine will be a lesson to us, regardless of the result.
    2. z-exit
      0
      20 September 2013 10: 05
      Quote: svskor80
      We will witness another big lie of the West for the realization of our own goals and interests. It seems that Ukraine needs sympathy, but I don’t feel like it, let them cones get stuffed. You look and grow wiser.

      I think so too. +1. All the same, this state of affairs in Ukraine cannot but be the result of the low cohesion of the Ukrainian people. Part of the "blame" for Yanukovych's coming to power lies with the Ukrainian people. You don't need to be gullible. No need to swallow lies. You need to get smart.
      It is clear that saying that Ukrainians need to grow wiser, I do not mean the true patriots of Ukraine, of whom there are especially many registered on this site.
      1. 0
        20 September 2013 23: 47
        I think so too. +1. All the same, this state of affairs in Ukraine cannot but be the result of the low cohesion of the Ukrainian people. Part of the "blame" for Yanukovych's coming to power lies with the Ukrainian people. You don't need to be gullible. No need to swallow lies. You need to get smart.
        Yanukovych actually won the elections under the slogan "for closer rapprochement with Russia" and not without Russia's help. Only then did he turn in his back seat.
    3. +1
      20 September 2013 10: 15
      This does not look like an association, but like playing a chess game, and we are all declared Slavs to all Slavs.
    4. +5
      20 September 2013 10: 41
      Very cynically said, so as not to say offensively. Do you understand that the lumps will be filled not by the European integrators from the authorities, but by ordinary people who do not want this integration?
    5. +1
      20 September 2013 11: 58
      Quote: svskor80
      It seems that Ukraine needs sympathy, but I don’t feel like it, let them fill up the bumps. You look and grow wiser.

      In tsarist times they were stupid, in the days of the USSR they did not grow wiser where now .........
  4. +16
    20 September 2013 08: 35
    Put a plus. But ...
    What is the article about? That Ukraine will feel bad in the free trade zone? And who doesn’t know? That Ukrainian enterprises will die? And this is not a secret ... That Ukrainians are deceived? Oh well...
    I think Yanukovych does this, understanding perfectly. What will happen next. And the situation is like this.
    1 We entered and received cheap goods from Europe-Ur ... Only now the money from people quickly ran out
    2 Enterprises have risen due to the translation of standards and a lack of a sales market. Unemployment is growing.
    3 Ukrainians of a pro-Russian orientation begin to blame Russia for their troubles (and this we already see) and will vote not only against Yanukovych) he will sit in his own castle in London and catch crucians), but also against Russia.
    Which was required.
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    2. +7
      20 September 2013 10: 49
      Quote: domokl

      1 We entered and received cheap goods from Europe-Ur ... Only now the money from people quickly ran out
      2 Enterprises have risen due to the translation of standards and a lack of a sales market. Unemployment is growing.
      3 Ukrainians of a pro-Russian orientation begin to blame Russia for their troubles (and this we already see) and will vote not only against Yanukovych) he will sit in his own castle in London and catch crucians), but also against Russia.
      Which was required.


      And how are 1-2 connected with 3 points? In my opinion, the relationship is the opposite. After the first two points, on the contrary, there is a reversal of doubting ordinary citizens of Ukraine towards Russia. Because Russia is the only country that honestly stated what the signing of the agreement with the EU will lead to.
      But for this, it would not hurt Russia’s participation in the activation of pro-Russian forces in Ukraine, propaganda of entry into the CU and further integration in the post-Soviet space.
    3. Gornfreed
      +10
      20 September 2013 11: 58
      Everything is harmonious and most likely it will be so. But not for the reason that normal people will turn their backs on Russia. And for the reason that the country will be bound by international obligations and debts ... The people in Ukraine are not much different from the Russian people ... Unfortunately, there are no more thinking people either. The information space is not on our side and people think as they are allowed to think. We have practically a "unipolar world" here. Pro-Russian leaders (to be honest) are almost absent, although there is a lot of waiting for their electorate. And here it is already possible to start a dispute - who did not support the situation in time? It just doesn't seem to make sense.
      1. +5
        20 September 2013 12: 02
        I agree with your opinion and your anxiety. Trouble knocks on the door of both Ukraine and Russia. If an association agreement is signed, this will be the beginning of the collapse of Russia. I’m not saying that this will be the beginning of the collapse of the statehood of Ukraine itself.
      2. AndreyAB
        +1
        21 September 2013 08: 29
        the pros and cons will come first when the hangover comes, but without a severe headache it usually doesn’t come, it’ll be a little late, the economy is destroyed, politics are more and more BLOCKED and the ways of return are destroyed, for some reason I see just such a future, an example of freedom-loving Baltic republics, living only a haven to Russia. I am very sorry, but the EU has not helped any of the new members, it has only ruined the national economies.
    4. -1
      20 September 2013 12: 03
      Quote: domokl
      Pro-Russian Ukrainians begin to blame Russia for their troubles

      Well, it's like zazadrasi, as far as I can remember, the Muscovites are always to blame for everything ... or are they to blame ....... and you call this bunch of fraternal people?
      1. +1
        20 September 2013 12: 28
        Quote: hert
        Well, it's like zazadrasi, as far as I can remember, the Muscovites are always to blame for everything ... or are they to blame ....... and you call this bunch of fraternal people?

        You are not the one who is smart, but even quite the opposite.
        And your words prove it with all regrettable evidence ..
        1. xan
          0
          20 September 2013 14: 37
          Quote: Skating rink
          Quote: hert
          Well, it's like zazadrasi, as far as I can remember, the Muscovites are always to blame for everything ... or are they to blame ....... and you call this bunch of fraternal people?

          You are not the one who is smart, but even quite the opposite.
          And your words prove it with all regrettable evidence ..

          smart ones are those who blame Russia for everything, so what?
          Ukrainians need to be treated like unconscious children, so what?
    5. 0
      20 September 2013 23: 56
      domokl RU Today, 08:35 AM

      Put a plus. But ...
      What is the article about? That Ukraine will feel bad in the free trade zone? And who doesn’t know? That Ukrainian enterprises will die? And this is not a secret ... That Ukrainians are deceived? Oh well...
      I think Yanukovych does this, understanding perfectly. What will happen next. And the situation is like this.
      1 We entered and received cheap goods from Europe-Ur ... Only now the money from people quickly ran out
      2 Enterprises have risen due to the translation of standards and a lack of a sales market. Unemployment is growing.
      3 Ukrainians of a pro-Russian orientation begin to blame Russia for their troubles (and this we already see) and will vote not only against Yanukovych) he will sit in his own castle in London and catch crucians), but also against Russia.
      Which is required
      I do not agree that 1 follows from paragraphs 2 and 3 hi If Russia will conduct a competent policy, propaganda of the advantages of the CU, stick out all the disadvantages of the FTA with the EU for Ukraine, support for Russian forces in Ukraine, then the situation can be reversed for the next election. hi
  5. +8
    20 September 2013 08: 35
    We must learn from the mistakes of others, Ukraine decided to see on their own.
  6. +15
    20 September 2013 08: 44
    from the Don.
    : Congratulations: brotherly people with a historic choice! Janek is a monument during his lifetime, with the Washington Regional Committee honoring the Doc! And we need to prepare simplified laws on the reception of compatriots. You give an increase in the population of Russia !!!
    1. +6
      20 September 2013 09: 07
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      : Congratulations: brotherly people with a historic choice! Janek is a monument during his lifetime, with the Washington Regional Committee honoring the Doc! And we need to prepare simplified laws on the reception of compatriots. You give an increase in the population of Russia !!!

      It is better to pick up native Russian lands. Including Kiev and Crimea. And let the priodno-Ukrainian Naziolists priests vaseline, they will need them soon.
      1. +2
        20 September 2013 09: 15
        Hand out, do not collect however.
        The process is long, I would like to see its results in my lifetime.
  7. +2
    20 September 2013 08: 46
    Communist Party initiates a referendum (on accession of the CU / EU) is a chance. Then it will be more expensive and harder to get out of shit.
  8. +11
    20 September 2013 08: 54
    And who said that even enterprises standardized by the EU will be allowed to trade there ... not for that they would accept that they bring their goods to Europe, but rather that Ukraine open its market ... receive.
  9. Sega
    +13
    20 September 2013 08: 55
    Sad picture. Moreover, the border (Ukraine - Russia) will be closed, and it will be "pleasant" for relatives to issue invitations and visas. I can't even imagine. How will I travel to close relatives on a visa. You need to do this all in advance, coordinate the trip (vacation) with the employer, etc. This is a complete akhtung. Someone's brains don't work at all. Is it not for the sake of money that you can put the people down? I generally keep quiet about conscience.
    Hold on to the brothers Ukrainians. My condolences. Get a second citizenship (it will be easier to move). Well, and if anything, Russia is big, there is enough room for everyone.
    1. chushoj
      +5
      20 September 2013 13: 01
      In Ukraine, few will remain. Everyone has already gathered to go to Europe to stir up business.
  10. ksandr45
    +9
    20 September 2013 08: 57
    Good day to all hi
    Regarding the re-election of Yanukovych, I think this is the last term for him. He did what he wanted, and perhaps what he was paid for. Most likely there will be new faces and slogans in the next elections, but only the goals will remain old. At least I don’t think that something will change, but I really want to.
    1. HAM
      +6
      20 September 2013 09: 16
      I hope that the "term" for Yanukovych will not be the last. There is a lot of space near Yulka.
  11. Dengue
    +9
    20 September 2013 08: 58
    Since the money of the Ukrainian political elite is in European and American banks, it has never been and never will be pro-Russian. To change the situation in Ukraine, laws must be adopted as in the Russian Federation, on the need for officials to transfer their money from Western accounts to national banks, as well as on the prohibition of owning property abroad. I think this will be a big step towards improving the political situation in Ukraine. Although I doubt that someone would transfer money, for example, from a Swiss bank to Ukrainian.
  12. +12
    20 September 2013 09: 02
    Russia did not see any special friendship from Yanukovych ... In short, they threw everyone and rushed to the West. It is a pity the people who believed him before the election.
  13. +15
    20 September 2013 09: 09
    Bird can be seen by litter ...
    Nothing more to say.
  14. +9
    20 September 2013 09: 09
    It seems that one has to prepare for the arrival of the brothers in search of work and the desire to stay and not return to Ukraine devastated by Europe and European concerns. A lesson from the Baltic countries where there is no longer their production, the destruction of Bulgaria where you can’t even grow bell pepper, planting it in a debt hole in Greece, which is also a good place for loans they gave it, and then just put it on the counter, it is not an example for Ukraine. It is regrettable but it is their choice. We wish them faster insights before they lose their country.
    1. chushoj
      -1
      20 September 2013 09: 13
      Russia is not a mother and a garbage pit. This is not about work and arrival visas. Here we are talking about the civil war. Quiet, peaceful, partisan.
  15. Vrungel78
    +4
    20 September 2013 09: 14
    Quote: borisjdin1957
    And we need to prepare simplified laws on the reception of compatriots. You give an increase in the population of Russia !!!

    I am glad to see Ukrainians, like Belarusians, as compatriots. There are no comrades from Middle Asia.
  16. field_07
    +2
    20 September 2013 09: 18
    Already tired of these leaders of Ukraine, they do not need people just to fill their pockets. Wherever you look, they stick their weapons, and Saakashvili is his "dear brother." They are lucky that Mr. Putin treats like a brotherly people, because he can take something seriously by the gills. Especially after South Ossetia.
    1. +7
      20 September 2013 09: 47
      "These leaders of Ukraine are already fed up."
      And how tired they are to us, you would only know ...
  17. +4
    20 September 2013 09: 24
    All Western elites have one feature - they are proxies of the United States and act not in the national interests and interests of their peoples, but in the geopolitical interests of the United States. In order to annoy Russia, through the sold-out elites, damage can be inflicted on the peoples of these elites, up to and including being drawn into a war. But, fools are needed to use them, and "Judas" is also involved here. Here, the example of Georgia is typical, and the example of the Baltic countries, as well as examples of service for US citizenship, their deaths and survivors - the path to American homelessness. All the "oppositions" like the Syrian are still dying for the ideals of fighting the "dictators" or for the successfully invented ideas of the world caliphates - slipped to the Islamists ... ...
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 12: 16
      as the Britons said after the collapse of the USSR, thank God that they have so many traitors ....
  18. eplewke
    +3
    20 September 2013 09: 28
    Ukraine to NATO ??? I think it will be a difficult question for the population .... It smells like a putsch ...
    1. +6
      20 September 2013 10: 18
      three to five years of media work - any opinion can be broken.
  19. +7
    20 September 2013 09: 28
    Well, we are waiting for the growth of unemployment, non-payment of pensions and the closure of Russian gas.
  20. +5
    20 September 2013 09: 31
    And I have relatives in the Odessa region, the next summer I was going on vacation to them. You see, you have to communicate via Skype (((((((
  21. +15
    20 September 2013 09: 31
    My condolences to the inhabitants of eastern Ukraine. Everywhere where the Vatican reached for the Slavs, we had and will have problems.
  22. +9
    20 September 2013 09: 32
    Brotherly people, and puppeteers with western firmware. Ukraine made a choice ...... congratulations .... with what fright immediately after this choice do the Eurogays throw us with angry letters about Russia imposing protective sanctions against Ukraine? A hundred times already explained .... Because gladiolus, because it is necessary and go to the forest !!!!
  23. pa_nik
    +1
    20 September 2013 09: 32
    Quote: Kibalchish
    The duck limped ... it's time to let her in for soup.


    That is yes. Well-known chefs in the West wink

    Quote: Ulysses
    In any case, the example of Ukraine will be a lesson to us.


    I would say that we have enough of our teacher lessons.

    Quote: borisjdin1957
    And we need to prepare simplified laws on the reception of compatriots.


    This is the case! I am for"!! good

    Quote: PROXOR
    .And let the priodnukrainskie Nazianolists priests vaseline, they will need them soon.


    What do you mean? feel
  24. nirab
    +1
    20 September 2013 09: 50
    It's time to let this country go free swimming and forget ... How much can ... This is their choice. Here are just claims and groans that we are brothers - not to accept ... Died, so died!
    1. 0
      20 September 2013 12: 20
      Quote: nirab
      groans that we are brothers - not to accept ... Died, so died

      I agree, I’ll also throw off a birch cross with a German helmet.
  25. +2
    20 September 2013 09: 55
    First Gorbachev, now Yanukovych. I wonder how it all ends.
  26. -1
    20 September 2013 10: 16
    There is such a thing, it is inappropriately to blame everything on Yanukovych, the Ukrainians did NOTHING to drive him out, that is, he CUTS them. This is their choice, they will answer for him and reap the fruits of their decision. And now, as they say: the problems of the Indians (Ukraine) of the sheriff (Russia) do not care.
  27. Valery Neonov
    0
    20 September 2013 10: 22
    Quote: Valery Neon
    The law is not written to fools .. winked

    Horses are finicky ....
  28. serge
    +6
    20 September 2013 10: 23
    Yanukovych is an American agent. In pure form. He came to power on outright lies. In the fight with another American agent - Yushchenko. On the way, the third American agent - the Zionist Klitschko. It’s time for the people in Ukraine to have at least a little intelligence.
    1. Misantrop
      +3
      20 September 2013 10: 32
      Quote: serge
      It’s time for the people in Ukraine to have at least a little intelligence.
      If. It seems that, stuck with pink dreams of European freebies, he lost his last brains. Why, "the last effort is left, now we'll push Moscow away - paradise will come ..." fellow
      1. +1
        20 September 2013 17: 56
        Today at http://contrpost.com/en/ I read a fresh article and suddenly an epiphany came that Russia had decided not to interfere with Ukraine's withdrawal so that, having grabbed "happiness" in full, she would return by herself. Apparently, it is necessary to go through this stage of our life in order to reunite, apparently, otherwise the union will not be so strong. Very risky. But Kyrgyzstan has passed it, Georgia is passing, apparently, it is Ukraine's turn.
  29. +2
    20 September 2013 10: 23
    Is there an analysis of the prospects for the development of the Ukrainian economy, growth dynamics of the welfare of ordinary people in connection with the country's entry into the free trade zone with the European Union? Moreover, these analyzes should be carried out by independent experts. I’m trying to find similar work in the media. But alas - all around one euphoria and dreams of a "bright future" in the European Union. Serious, non-biased researchers (even in Ukraine) argue that great shocks await the country's economy. But the current champions of European integration already has its own ageless "argument" - Russia is to blame for everything. It is a pity that ordinary people of Ukraine will have to endure all these troubles.
    1. chushoj
      0
      20 September 2013 12: 15
      Ivanovich, this is the same chess combination as the destruction of chemical weapons in Syria.
  30. 0
    20 September 2013 10: 33
    Tell me, on what article did this gopnik sit?
  31. Glory333
    +4
    20 September 2013 10: 36
    Let me remind you that Mr. Yanukovych conducted the election campaign under the slogans of rapprochement with Russia, today it turns out that he simply lied to the people.
  32. Max
    Max
    -6
    20 September 2013 10: 47
    By the way, most experts are inclined to believe that Russia itself will benefit the euro from Ukraine’s integration. Because millions of Russians will come to us and see what we need to strive for, sort out the best.
    1. +5
      20 September 2013 10: 56
      We have a titmouse up your sleeve, and you have a crane in the sky.
      And who said that they live poorly in Russia? Uncle on TV?
      By the time you reach the level of Poland,
      we will have the level of Germany.
      So the question is who will go to whom ...
      Nothing will change, only the sediment from betrayal will remain.
      1. Max
        Max
        -9
        20 September 2013 11: 10
        I was in Russia and was in Europe. The difference is stunning ... Regarding order, compliance with laws, roads, comfort and quality of life .. ecology in the end. Not to mention the culture of people, which is seen in every little thing .. In truth, it’s already scary to become a gap between us and them. By the way, here is a rather interesting article to broaden your horizons: http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130920/213142566.html
        1. +1
          20 September 2013 11: 38
          Ehai to live in EUROPE, what we have settled in RUSSIA, you are EXPECTING TO --- L. On the territory of RUSSIA your MATUS
          How much does a euro-ass fit?
          1. +2
            20 September 2013 12: 24
            Quote: NORILCHAN
            Ehai in EUROPEAN live what we have settled in RUSSIA-WAITING

            how many canvasses of the Volga Germans spit on the onset of European reality ......
        2. ing
          ing
          +4
          20 September 2013 12: 44
          Europe can be compared with Russia only relatively, if Moscow or other large cities (in the city center) then the difference is small and Europe is different, take Romania or Bulgaria, you were recently in the Netherlands, it’s worth moving away from the center and you’ll find better than ours
        3. -9
          20 September 2013 13: 04
          Quote: max
          I was in Russia and was in Europe. The difference is stunning ..

          Who are you explaining to here? wink Opponents of European integration remind me of the mossy bearded men in Russia of the times of Peter I, who also resisted. wink
        4. +3
          20 September 2013 14: 01
          I compare Russia and Ukraine.
          For 22 years we have made some progress after the devastation,
          and you have a degradation.
          Do not compare Europe and Russia,
          countries of Western Europe since 1945 have not seen shocks.
          There is nothing to build together
          and acting like a corrupt girl
          I saw the sparkles and ran.
          I do not understand what you are doing on this forum?
          Want to convince us that we are flawed?
          Go to the European forums
          trynd there about how you will feel good together.
        5. +7
          20 September 2013 15: 37
          I live in Ukraine and visit Russia (Peter, Samara). The difference is not stunning, but significant. 110 bucks a pension in Ukraine, this is not funny, actually.
          Well, no need to say anything. Since in Europe, Ukraine will never be under any circumstances. It is simply disadvantageous to Europe itself. So do not hang noodles on your ears.
        6. wax
          +2
          20 September 2013 16: 52
          max
          I didn’t even envy you out of jealousy: the other day, enter and order will immediately come to Ukraine, learn how to comply with the law, build roads for you, improve the quality of life, improve the environment, eventually - shale, gas-independent from the Russian Federation. And this is not all - because so many wonderful discoveries are being prepared by the spirit of Western enlightenment, the throat is already spiraling in the gut.
      2. zmey_gadukin
        +1
        20 September 2013 16: 53
        Quote: gecko
        Uncle on TV?

        what for? Uncle on Severstal, who fell under reduction.
        Cut back wherever possible and impossible. Cut in tens and hundreds.
        And Severstal is the nurse of the Vologda region.
    2. +1
      20 September 2013 15: 39
      What to strive for? Moreover, is corruption so common in Ukraine that no one even discusses it? Moreover, the salary on average in the country is 250 bucks, and the pension is 120? Oh well. Go drink Christmas trees, trollin.
    3. +1
      20 September 2013 17: 37
      Quote: max
      By the way, most experts are inclined to believe that Russia itself will benefit the euro from Ukraine’s integration.

      I would also like to know from whom these experts get paid?
  33. +3
    20 September 2013 10: 48
    Sorry for the Ukrainian people ...

    Over the past 20 years, Ukrainians have experienced so many difficult moments that they can not be envied. And now there are problems again. And just before winter. In November they will make a decision on European integration, Russia will immediately follow a symmetrical answer - an increase in gas prices; it will emerge that Ukraine has not paid for the supplied gas and, accordingly, the supply will cease; cancellation of certificates ST-1 and the need to pay fees; the need for visas, etc.

    And all this will affect not the Ukrainian president and officials, but ordinary people.

    For what makes Yanukovych it must be hung !!!
  34. +3
    20 September 2013 10: 53
    Yanukovych seems to have just made a deal so as not to be on the bunk after the election.
  35. The Indian Joe
    +8
    20 September 2013 10: 53
    Quote: z-exit
    Part of the "blame" for Yanukovych's coming to power lies with the Ukrainian people. You don't need to be gullible. No need to swallow lies. You need to get smart.
    - yeah, it’s so easy for you to talk about this without being a resident of Ukraine! And what did we, the citizens of this unfortunate country have, when in the presidential election we had to choose between Yanukovych and Tymoshenko - at which the dollar almost doubled in price, at which prices jumped up, unemployment increased, which prohibited the Russian language in schools, and did not hide our nationalist mood? We had a choice between greater evil and lesser, which is why people chose Yanukovych. Although in reality the country has long had no choice ...
    1. Misantrop
      +7
      20 September 2013 10: 56
      Quote: Injun Joe
      when in the presidential election we had to choose between Yanukovych and Tymoshenko

      Not only that, in the absence of the "against all" column and the lower turnout threshold. And there is probably no need to explain HOW the votes are counted?

      In Simferopol, the day before yesterday on Kirov Ave., there was a hefty rally against association with the EU, has it been mentioned at least the WORD? Though there is something? Even in the local media on this topic silence is complete ... request
      1. 0
        20 September 2013 17: 40
        Quote: Misantrop
        In Simferopol, the day before yesterday, on Kirov Ave., there was a hefty rally against association with the EU, is this AT LEAST a WORD? At least somewhere? Even in the local media on this subject, silence is complete ... request

        Thanks for the information. hi
    2. 0
      20 September 2013 12: 30
      Quote: Injun Joe
      Although in reality the country has long had no choice ..

      there is always a choice, you just have to make it ......, but there are many ways. The only action that can be seen is, lazy as it is .... don't bother anyone.
    3. official
      +1
      20 September 2013 23: 11
      Remember the anecdote before the 2010 elections: If we choose Tymoshenko, it will be scary, if we choose Yanukovych, it will be a shame .... There was a "good" choice !!!
  36. +1
    20 September 2013 10: 54
    Quote: Djozz
    Tell me, on what article did this gopnik sit?

    for gop he sat, he loved winter hats)))
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 10: 59
      You can see the owl on the flight! Russian last Narcissistic and limited like a turkey. Hairstyle, like our Kasyanov’s, and the same manners.
  37. DuraLexSedLex.
    -1
    20 September 2013 10: 56
    Good riddance. Pretty soon, we will no longer distinguish between the news from the Baltic states and Ukraine - Russophobes will be everywhere under the flags of the SS legions and tridents. So gentlemen, we are waiting.
    1. Gornfreed
      +7
      20 September 2013 11: 48
      It's hard to become a Russophobe if you were born before 1991. I was born before. And I feel sorry for Ukraine as my country and as a part of my Motherland. The pro-Russian "leaders" of Ukraine are hardly noticeable and are not supported by the shoulder of Russia, then there is little hope for the adequacy of the decisions of the authorities. I only hope that the place in which Ukraine will be dipped in the near future will wake the people up. And if not, then the Russian population will begin to grow from the Ukrainian emigration.
      1. DuraLexSedLex.
        +2
        20 September 2013 12: 00
        Well, let it grow like that) We do not mind.
  38. +2
    20 September 2013 11: 05
    Yanukovych - a lame duck? In my opinion decoy.
    1. 0
      20 September 2013 11: 09
      Apparently in the bullpen "universities" passed, and got the hang of it.
  39. keddr
    +1
    20 September 2013 11: 07
    Yes.,. now you can talk, talk, but "Okrainu" is stale ... Presidents are changing. Where is Yushchenko now and who remembers him with a kind word? And the people who have lost faith in the people. And not "gnomes" your bones, and Russia.
    And this is the result of Russian politics. Little people came to power, the Great Country collapsed.
  40. 0
    20 September 2013 11: 09
    Everything is described in sufficient detail.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp8deMlVHZc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3UG96Ny59Y
  41. true love
    +1
    20 September 2013 11: 16
    A very difficult situation is unfolding for Putin ... Ukraine cannot be lost ... but it is not possible to leave ... What should I do? Maybe all the hype around Syria was just a diversion of attention? It also doesn’t seem to be ... Anglo-Saxons are strong, you cannot say anything. In the long run, they are still replaying their acting methods. What will Moscow answer?
    1. +4
      20 September 2013 12: 21
      Putin’s silence on this issue also surprises me. How effective and quick a solution was found in Syria, how incomprehensible is the inactivity on the issue of Ukraine (the customs war does not count).
      In fact, the last days remain before serious decisions are made. If in November Yanukovych signs something in Vilnius (no matter what), turning back will be even more difficult than now (the country is full of idiots who believe in the legality of some decisions and other things, the 1991 referendum is a clear indicator of this).
      I hope that Putin has "an offer that cannot be refused" up his sleeve. Now is the time to use it.
      You won't be able to persuade Yanukovych, you won't be able to persuade him, he has a convict mentality and the more you press on him, the more he resists. Any Union with Russia is not beneficial to him - he himself will become a secondary prince, and his son will lose all his businesses. Europe will turn a blind eye to this for the sake of an anti-Russian foothold. Therefore, there will be no "soft decisions". I hope Putin understands this and is not just silent. Waiting for effective action by Putin.
      1. 0
        20 September 2013 15: 26
        I agree. Just not silence - but actions are needed in relation to Ukraine. Tough, fast and efficient.
        1. In the book
          0
          20 September 2013 16: 49
          It’s very interesting for me to know: what kind of "actions" would you like to see?
        2. +2
          20 September 2013 17: 14
          Quote: Sevastopolets
          I agree. Just not silence - but actions are needed in relation to Ukraine. Tough, fast and efficient.


          Well, this will only play into the hands of the Svidomo. What is their main argument? Imperial Russia is once again trying to enslave the next one. This is Putin and does not give them a chance to raise another howl. Here is his statement at the Valdai Forum.
          "Today Ukraine is an independent state and we treat it with respect. And, of course, the choice of priorities, the choice of allies is the national sovereign right of the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian leadership."


          Come on, guys, do you think you got into a fairy tale? Only this is not Andersen's fairy tale in "happy Denmark" but a native Russian with a stone at the crossroads - where you can't go everywhere .. you rake.
      2. +1
        20 September 2013 17: 44
        Quote: Cosmos-1869
        Any Union with Russia is not beneficial to him - he himself will become a minor prince, and his son will lose all his businesses.

        You would think that now he is the prince of paramount importance. Just as he was a snivel in life, he remained an Akhmetian snider. And the rest I agree.
      3. +1
        20 September 2013 18: 09
        Quote: Cosmos-1869
        Putin’s silence on this issue also surprises me.

        He was not silent, he said that this choice is the choice of the people of Ukraine. I think there will be almost complete inaction before signing, and then all that was promised. They will give me a sip of the full program, apparently, such is the strategy plan, if you think for decades, it may be beneficial, but it is very risky, because there is a chance to lose Ukraine completely. But if it works, then the union will be stronger than what it may be now.
        1. Glory333
          +1
          20 September 2013 23: 23
          Where is the people’s choice? Nobody asks the people, the Communists tried to organize a referendum - they banned them in the courts, the authorities are afraid to learn the opinion of the people.
      4. 0
        20 September 2013 22: 49
        I gave you a "plus" as a whole for an adequate post, but in one thing you are wrong - this is not a customs war, all the problems that have arisen now at the border, at customs were previously outlined 1-3 years ago, clearly and clearly, including by Russian officials It's just that the current Ukrainian government, once again crap, is unable to admit its mistake or deliberate "mess", of course, does not give an adequate assessment of its sabotage actions in relation to the economy and the people, exposing the extreme RF.
  42. +2
    20 September 2013 11: 27
    The brotherhood ended before it began! Let them live as they want but hope for
    reunification is not necessary. In the north there have always been more immigrants from Ukraine than Russians. There is a good saying: Ukrainians live in Ukraine and there
    WHERE THEY ARE BETTER. According to this saying, OB in RUSSIA is enough for both the authorities and the common people. My personal opinion is that the GDP in vain trusts the power to immigrants from Ukraine i.e.AM. This is the fifth column and potential traitors and lizuns.
  43. neon2003
    +1
    20 September 2013 11: 49
    and yet, there is some hunch that after the FTZ zone with Europe Ukraine will begin to split into 2 zones ... I hope I'm mistaken ...
  44. +1
    20 September 2013 11: 53
    Gentlemen, the Ukrainian people IS IS SVD-7,62 for 53 which is hesitating and waiting!
  45. MG42
    +7
    20 September 2013 12: 01
    "Duck" named Yanukovych limped?

    Wow. Today there are so many topics about Ukraine, I don’t directly know where to start .. fellow

    Let's start with Yanukovych ... In general, a "lame duck" in the language of the Americans in the political plane, the president who must leave when the new president is elected, Yanukovych is still 2 years old until the moment when he is replaced by Klitschko for example >>
    An excellent clip about Yanukovych is in harmony with the song >>
  46. +7
    20 September 2013 12: 03
    Judas Yanukovych wants to break the rating drop record set by Yushchenko. Indeed, in western Ukraine he will not be accepted anyway, and in eastern Ukraine they will consider him a traitor. Gorbachev ver2.0
    1. MG42
      +4
      20 September 2013 12: 29
      What he is counting on is unclear >> earlier there were versions that he was preparing to transfer power to his son through presidential elections in parliament by changing the Constitution through the controlled Constitutional Court, but this version disappears because then it will contradict European values ​​in the European vector.
      It’s obvious to get a bigger one or have already replenished your bins so much, but you won’t take Mizhhirya with you ..
    2. MG42
      +3
      20 September 2013 12: 38
      But how his estate with an area of ​​140 hectares looks like from a helicopter was filmed by journalists >>
  47. +5
    20 September 2013 12: 11
    Quote: morpogr
    It’s unfortunate, but it’s their choice. We wish them faster insights before they lose their country.

    They have already lost their country, they just temporarily live in the Polish-Turkish-Romanian territories. I wash my hands with soap hi
  48. +2
    20 September 2013 12: 15
    Another historical spiral for Ukraine ... to find out the future ... I probably need to take a closer look at the past ... and in the future I know ahead a very cold winter without Russian gas in the right volumes ... Forward, Ukrainian citizens to Europe!
    1. chushoj
      0
      20 September 2013 12: 45
      http://regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/ukraina/1709112.html
  49. ROA
    ROA
    +3
    20 September 2013 12: 25
    Yanukovych is the same Yushchenko, but unlike him, govopovy and vile.
  50. chushoj
    +1
    20 September 2013 12: 48
    Europe is crazy about such a movement of Yanukovych, and now does not know what to do with Ukraine.
  51. +12
    20 September 2013 13: 25
    Spiral history...
  52. +3
    20 September 2013 13: 29
    Even at the time when the Kremlin supported this changeling in the elections, the question hung in the air - except for the thief and criminal, there is no one else to “put” on?
    Why be surprised now?
    They promised “not to look” and leave the stolen money after the presidency, and “friendship” and messages to the people were lost.
  53. +3
    20 September 2013 13: 30
    He had a goal to receive forgiveness for the imprisonment of Tymoshenchikha and legal status. Everything has grown together, he is happy. Although even I understand that he will be pulled for a long time by this thread for any reason. In Europe, it’s like, you either constantly give, or come here and we’ll figure out why you don’t give.
  54. +1
    20 September 2013 13: 30
    We'll see what happens next...
  55. +1
    20 September 2013 13: 31
    Ian, this will come back to haunt you.
  56. cool.ya-nikola
    +2
    20 September 2013 13: 40
    Quote: Djozz
    You can see the owl in flight! Russian last

    Dear namesake, if we quote Russian proverbs, then let’s do it in full. And, in its full version, the proverb goes like this: “You can tell an owl by its flight, and a young man by his snot.” And since we touched upon the “bird” topic regarding Yanukovych, let me disagree with you, well, what kind of “turkey”, what kind of “duck”? So, just a prison “cockerel”...
    But, laughter and laughter, I feel sorry for the Ukrainians... And everything seems to be fine, and there is “independence” and a president, and an army and a navy, and a Rada, and everything seems to be like the big ones, but there is no happiness. In Soviet times, we went from Rostov to Donetsk and Mariupol (formerly Zhdanov) for sausage and butter, but now everything is exactly the opposite. I remember in the summer of 1991, I was in Odessa, and was very “pleasantly” surprised by a leaflet on Privoz - a huge ferocious bear, clearly of Russian origin, holding a frightened girl by the throat, and a “touching” caption: “Who is the axis who is squeezing our fat!” . Well, now, thank God, when we have freed ourselves from the Moscow yoke, welcome to the European Union, and you will be happy(?)...
  57. oazis
    +1
    20 September 2013 13: 48
    Quote: seller trucks
    this is just Russophobia in a cube, I spent two years on political forums, so in general, it’s a universal cesspool, it’s true that it’s not only Ukrainians, there are plenty of “our” obscurantists

    Unfortunately, this is indeed the case, YouTube bots have taken over all the sites, Russophobes have built a nest on this resource and feel at ease, throwing mud at brotherly Russia and the entire Russian people with all their might.
    Admire the most characteristic examples of these so-called creations
    http://blog.i.ua/user/4064623/1273004/
    http://blog.i.ua/community/3062/1278766/
    http://blog.i.ua/user/2675316/1278409/
  58. +1
    20 September 2013 13: 55
    “I am convinced that, and we are raising this question, that Russia will also follow the path of European standards. So in the near future there will be no contradictions or barriers that would prevent us from building our common future.” standardizer Yanukovych.

    Type- everything will be there...

    Well what can I say! A standardized Ukraine will be waiting for us.
  59. +5
    20 September 2013 14: 24
    Previously they shouted: “GARNA Ukraine”, but when they go to Europe, they will shout: “GAINA Ukraine”...
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 14: 32
      Quote: Agent 008
      Previously they shouted: “GARNA Ukraine”, but when they go to Europe, they will shout: “GAINA Ukraine”...

      Hahahahaha wassat without market to point+
  60. EGORKA
    +1
    20 September 2013 15: 04
    This topic has already set the teeth on edge; joining the EU is a fait accompli in less than five minutes. Geyropa and the West as a whole have once again turned a blind eye to the violation of gay European values ​​when they need it and are in a hurry to remove Ukraine from Russia as far as possible. Yanukovych seems to have been given guarantees. Russia can simply defend its market as necessary, to live at a loss to itself in Ukraine they kind of “loved” us more dearly to themselves.
  61. +4
    20 September 2013 15: 10
    If not a full-fledged lame duck, then some kind of “coughing drake”...
    More like a farting boar, a hundred devils in your ribs, shcheb yogo bugs zyily, that tsap sniffed
  62. +5
    20 September 2013 15: 21
    It turns out that Yanukovych simply cheated his voters, earning temporary and, naturally, false authority among the “orange”

    I wrote almost word for word here in the comments earlier. Stupid scammer.

    And it’s time for Russia to stop coddling Ukraine and treating it the same way as with Gzuzia in foreign policy. Only this approach will sober up the Ukrainian government (any government). Moreover, note that I myself live in this state, Ukraine. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks so, far from the only one.

    The EU is a bluff. The path to the EU is the same as the path to communism. He is eternal. Under no circumstances, even in 50 years, will Ukraine be taken there; this is a utopia designed for “lokhtorat” - nothing more. And the EU simply needs from Ukraine a market for products that no one in the world really needs. It is supplied to Africa free of charge as humanitarian aid. Of course, the EU needs to distance Ukraine from Russia as much as possible.

    And, of course, the EU will have leverage to prevent Ukraine from developing economically. Feeding by no means free loans from time to time, in order to bolster the Euro. That's all the schedule. That's all the EU is for Ukraine in practice.

    Well, you don’t just have to sign for all citizens of Ukraine. This is not a majority decision. Nobody asked them, they were stupidly abandoned. They promised one thing and did the opposite. No one will hold the referendum proposed by the communists.
  63. So_o_tozh
    +3
    20 September 2013 15: 58
    It’s time to raise KGB assets against Janek and start publishing them or blackmailing them with them, because they will drag us into the gay union stop
    Today I listened to N. Vitrenko’s speech on radio Era, it’s probably with the communists that the last one who is campaigning for an alliance with Russia sensibly tried to explain what was what, the leading truth constantly tried to interrupt her, it’s a pity that he used to consider her a political clown.
    It looks like Russia will have to pull Ukraine out of Europe again, as of old, damn it. request
  64. +1
    20 September 2013 15: 58
    I wonder if Viktor Yanukovych himself is aware of such an economic “breakthrough” in Ukraine?
    He is aware of the family economic BREAKTHROUGH! The entire southeast became an arena for the redistribution of property in favor of his family!
  65. -6
    20 September 2013 16: 09
    Swedish Foreign Minister: Joining the Customs Union will collapse the Ukrainian economy

    The head of the Swedish Foreign Ministry, Karl Bildt, who arrived at the 10th Yalta Summit of YES, spoke about the benefits that Ukraine will receive from joining the EU.

    As it became known, Bildt noted that the path to Europe seems longer than the path to the east, however, according to him, it is more advantageous, for example, from the economic side.

    The Swedish Foreign Minister also said that joining the Common Economic Space of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to the Customs Union will lead to a 40% drop in GDP in Ukraine, and the Free Trade Area with the EU will leave the country in positive territory: + 12%
    1. wax
      +2
      20 September 2013 17: 09
      And to the friendly Lisitsyna words
      The crow croaked its entire throat:
      Cheese fell out - with him was such a cheat.
      I.A. Krylov
    2. 0
      20 September 2013 18: 18
      Let's wait... not long left.
    3. 0
      20 September 2013 23: 02
      Then try to sue him for libel)))
  66. +2
    20 September 2013 16: 53
    The Ukrainian topic is so hackneyed that I want to shout: let them join wherever they want, what do we care? But, on the other hand, there are suspicions that the Yankees did not abandon their attempts to drag Ukraine into NATO. And if under Yushchenko Ukraine rushed headlong into this “monster corporation”, then, who initially seemed pro-Russian, they turned Yanukovych in the right direction for some time. And he steps west more carefully, but the vector of movement is clearly visible and this is regrettable
    1. +1
      20 September 2013 18: 20
      As soon as you step outside the threshold, the hill is already flooded and the frost has grabbed you...
  67. +1
    20 September 2013 17: 04
    I see: rapid breathing, redness of the skin, voluptuous movements - Ukraine is slowly ENTERING Europe...! Full orgasm!
  68. 0
    20 September 2013 17: 08
    8NEO8 SU
    The people in Ukraine are not fraternal, but native. Brotherly people live in Serbia

    Only some Ukrainians have no idea about this...
  69. zmey_gadukin
    +2
    20 September 2013 17: 08
    It’s strange, you communicate with Ukrainians from Lvov, Poltava, Odessa, Zhitomir, Ivano-Frankivsk, Donetsk...all normal people. If not fraternal, then a completely normal attitude towards Russia and Russians.
    You communicate with Russians from St. Petersburg, Cherepovets, Irkutsk, Saratov...The same normal attitude towards Ukrainians. But as soon as you go to the Internet, you are simply faced with the pathological hatred of Russians towards Ukrainians and, conversely, Ukrainians towards Russians. I don't understand this phenomenon! Can anyone explain?
    1. So_o_tozh
      +2
      20 September 2013 17: 35
      It’s just that either mostly young people or those who are not yet old sit on the Internet)). And young people are more suggestible and more radical, making a couple of statements about the wrong kind of candy, cheese, coal, etc. and so on. It's enough to hate you completely.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        +2
        20 September 2013 18: 48
        Quote: So_o_tozh
        It’s just that either mostly young people or those who are not yet old are on the Internet))

        Well, on this site there seem to be enough mature people... but sometimes they talk such nonsense...
    2. +2
      20 September 2013 22: 06
      Good evening dear "nick"! Sorry, I don’t know what to call you by name?

      Don’t blame me for my frankness, but judging by “your DESERVED virtual assessment”, you come here to the VO site to vent and quarrel with Russian forum members/and the site itself is Russian and not Ukrainian!? Or am I wrong?

      For example, I personally read different articles here, express my thoughts and judgments, when I agree and when I don’t. But here on the VO website, I’m looking for something that UNITES us all Soviet people!

      I don’t feel any joy from arguing with Russian, Kazakh, Azerbaijani or other people, even if I accidentally turn out to be right, or speak out better.

      On the contrary, I believe that our COMMON FRIENDS/sorry, “democratic friends-advisers” from the Council of Dep, Brussels, etc. REJOICE our quarrels and bickering and count the BIG WINS.

      Therefore, to you personally, I can only repeat the old one: “be simpler, and people will be drawn to you”!

      Best regards, Mikhailo (citizen of Ukraine, Slovakia).
      1. 0
        20 September 2013 23: 04
        Mikhail for President of Ukraine!!! soldier
    3. Glory333
      -1
      20 September 2013 23: 25
      Well, I heard some Russians came to the Caucasian forum and, on behalf of one Caucasian people, persecuted others...is the analogy clear?
  70. antonio
    +1
    20 September 2013 17: 27
    Yes, the Ukrainian brothers ended up in the Reich, Frau Müller, and now they will face the complete destruction of the remnants of the national economy and politics. The Europeans are pros in this matter, the example of Poland and the Baltic states did not teach Yanuca and his gang of dunces anything.
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  72. +2
    20 September 2013 19: 05
    Quote: svskor80
    We will witness another big lie of the West for the realization of our own goals and interests. It seems that Ukraine needs sympathy, but I don’t feel like it, let them cones get stuffed. You look and grow wiser.

    The youth will not grow wiser, they have rinsed their brains so much - they can’t set it back. I was at my grandmother’s in the Khmelnitsky region and talked to them. Here’s a dialogue with one girl: - I don’t even love Russia - I: why? she: - what about Stalin and the Holodomor? -me: do you love Georgians? - she: I love - me: so Stalin is Georgian. The conversation ended. Her brother, my friend, was drafted into the Soviet Army; he was discharged from the Russian Army; he was beaten in Kyiv for wearing a Russian Navy uniform; he went to his native village in civilian clothes.
  73. Hulk
    +1
    20 September 2013 19: 06
    Quote: domokl
    The people had nothing to do with it at all. The people, as they were, remained part of the Russian people. It’s another thing that the state itself was created artificially. A piece from one, a piece from the other, a little from the third. But a single people did not work out.


    So you will decide if there is a single people in Ukraine. Or there are several nations. Otherwise you have a pluralism of opinions in one head.
  74. +1
    20 September 2013 19: 14
    In betrayal, the first step is very important... how many of these steps were taken by the Slavs from the outskirts...
  75. stranik72
    +1
    20 September 2013 19: 17
    A purely “family” situation, they lived together in the same “apartment”, they decided to run away, they ran away, they live well, or rather not very well. Now answer your question: why try to be closer to each other if there are not many obvious advantages, for example Belarus, how much they try to be close, so what? Abundance has spilled, rather, on the contrary, our thieves are there hamstering the adults, and the GDP is flowing in such a way that let them go wherever they want, if we are destined to be together (and we will be, but not soon), we will be, but not with these faces from authorities.
  76. Andriasov
    +1
    20 September 2013 19: 27
    Perhaps I have the wrong opinion, but the European Union is on the verge of collapse, why go there at all?.. it is clear that the enemies (NATO) are planning to weaken Russia in this way - by neutralizing our ally (and in fact part of the people)... for example, you can compare this with Canada which I would suddenly want to join the Eurasian customs union :)
  77. go
    +6
    20 September 2013 19: 36
    It is unfortunate that many Ukrainians do not understand that from integration into the EU they will just cease to exist as an independent state. They are now selling it all in a beautiful European wrap, they will start up without a visa to study and work in Western European enterprises (as a rule, low-skilled truth). They think they will be considered equal there ... I recall in this sense the words of my Romanian acquaintance who tells that after joining the EU, they receive nothing more from the EU than directives on how they need to live and work. At the same time, these directives help Western companies to develop their business essno there. While she can’t buy herself a mob. a phone with a contract in Germany with your Romanian passport ... they just don’t sell it.

    The EU needs Ukraine within the framework of the old Roman principle - divide and conquer. The tendency to divide and govern Eastern European peoples has long been in use. More precisely, Ukraine is needed as a source of cheap labor for Western European companies, a source of natural resources and a duty-free and controlled sales market. If Ukraine enters the EU, it can be forgotten about its high-tech industries - do you think someone in Europe needs to create a competitor? For them, the main thing is jobs at home, i.e. orders and markets. No, of course, new technologies will come to Ukraine, and possibly also production, only under what brand? :) Yes, and ordinary production, for example, the food industry, in which Ukraine is strong and what no one needs to hope for there. No EU or WTO will help - they simply will not be allowed to enter the market and that’s it! And no one can blather. Then come Nestle and craft food and goodbye. A simple example: you will not find goods from neighboring Poland in Germany, although everything is cheaper there. Although they have long been in the EU. They are simply not there! I'm not talking about all sorts of Romania and Ukraine ... Now, of course, Ukraine will be rolled off money on credit, which it can never repay, that is. there will be a Greek scenario with complete subordination of the economy to Brussels. On the other hand, the oligarchs will earn on this, only if they care about the development of the country.

    Paradoxically, the only option for the development of Ukraine as an independent economy is eastward cooperation. In the EU, nobody needs ANs, Nikolaev shipyards or Crimean wines. But they are needed in the east. Ukrainians need to understand what they need - to live (maybe not bad) in the EU and work for companies from the EU or develop something of their own ... Russia healthy equal competition within the same space (for example, TS) will also benefit when at the top They will understand that creating Soviet semi-state holding giants and stifling competition is not economically possible.

    On the other hand, the policy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine is, of course, the policy of an elephant in a china shop. Apparently the oligarchs also rule and are looking for benefits. With such a policy, soon not only Ukrainians will flee from Russia, but also Belarusians and the Russians themselves. This is far from soft power, as DAM once said, this is some kind of hard core. You need to be smarter. While we were dealing with Syria, we wasted our campaign on Ukraine
  78. +2
    20 September 2013 19: 40
    Yanukovych doesn’t give a damn about Ukraine. He's already stolen so much that it's almost overwhelming. If something happens, get on a plane and go to your owners.
  79. +2
    20 September 2013 19: 48
    I gave the article a +. It's all EBN's fault, because... in pursuit of power he cheated everyone. Therefore, it turns out that Russia is “to blame.” And we Russians will be goats again. I repeat, unfortunately.
    Moreover, this smacks of the weakness of us - Russians on both sides of the border.
    And, dear GO, thank you.
    1. chushoj
      0
      21 September 2013 00: 43
      Before this, Putin gave you a chance to leave and obtain Russian citizenship. Moving losses are comparable to a fire. But Yanukovych will give you a second chance in a referendum, after Putin repeats to Yanukovych that in order to join the Customs Union you need to fulfill the conditions. And Ukraine will not dictate its dreams. Yanukovych, under the influence of the Baltics, will make the conditions of the referendum such that for you it will be a much more significant sacrifice than surviving a fire. The choice is yours.
  80. Hulk
    -1
    20 September 2013 20: 07
    Well, Ukraine has decided with whom it is more profitable to trade. You can wish her well. In the end, she will trade for her hryvnia. Just don’t throw dirt and spit in the back. She's a neighbor. And there are too many common other interests to spit in the back.
    And there is no need to spread speculation.
    As Russian President Vladimir Putin noted during a meeting of the Valdai Club on September 19, good quality and cheap European goods will pour into Ukraine. And Ukrainian goods will be squeezed out of the domestic market. “Guess where?” - asked the president.

    It’s like we, being underdeveloped here in Russia, will frantically buy expensive and low-quality Ukrainian goods. No need to worry. The people will take care of themselves. We will buy candy for ourselves without prompting.
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  82. 0
    20 September 2013 20: 37
    Flag in hand and fair wind, no pebbles!
  83. georg737577
    0
    20 September 2013 20: 37
    If we take the common point of view that Ukraine is “pr.sr.li”, then Putin and Medvedev did it first of all. Having spent so many years in power, they were unable to “win” Ukraine to their side, pursuing an absolutely incompetent foreign policy in this direction... It is not always possible to resolve issues from a position of strength. And with the loss of Ukraine, the task of restoring the “New Union” becomes impossible.
    But how much time it was!
    1. jasper
      +1
      20 September 2013 20: 54
      and not the Bolsheviks who cut the Ussr out of Russia and Ukrainized the Little Russians?
  84. 0
    20 September 2013 21: 13
    Calling us Okraintsy, you yourself are breaking off no worse than the fool Yanukovych. Just do not blah blah blah about the ancient name of Ukraine. I will never call modern Russian Muscovite, motivating me that Russia was once called Muscovite. Just out of respect for the Russians.
    By the way, Ukraine-outskirts is just one of the versions. Enlighten:
    The name Ukraine first appears in the Ipatiev Chronicle in the 1187 year.
    There are several theories about the origin of the name "Ukraine".
    According to one of them, the name comes from the all-Slavic “Ukraine”, “border region”, which was first applied to the border territories of Kievan Rus - Pereyaslav principality and later subsequently extended to neighboring territories.
    In the future, the name "Ukraine" was also used to name the eastern lands of the Commonwealth, which is recorded in the maps of Ukraine by Guillaume de Beauplan XVII century.
    According to another version, the toponym “Ukraine” came from the old Slavic “steal” (that is, highlight, cut out part of the total).
    It is also possible that the name of Ukraine comes from the word “edge”, “kraina” that is simply “country”, “land inhabited by its people”, and “Ukrainian” meant “compatriot”.[/quote]





    In the same chronicles, there were similar Ukraines in the east and south, so there is no need to overthink it; it can be translated from the Galician language as “country”, “region” (later on, the name “Ukraine” was also used to name the eastern lands of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth , which is recorded in the maps of Ukraine by Guillaume de Beauplan of the 17th century). If you don’t like the word Ukraine (because it’s the outskirts), call it Little Russia, which is historically true. Belarusians do not call their country Lithuania, although they have more rights than Lithuanians.
  85. Pavell
    0
    20 September 2013 21: 15
    We need to think together about how to find a way out of this situation. Ukraine's receipt of loans will inevitably lead it into debt bondage, and it is not difficult to guess what creditors will ask in return. From the complete destruction of one’s own industry, pumping out natural resources, to political concessions and voting for whoever is needed. Does Russia need this? I think not, but Ukraine?
    1. +3
      20 September 2013 21: 56
      The majority of Ukrainians want to join the CU, therefore they won’t allow a referendum to be held, Russia needs the support of precisely the majority that wants to be in the CU, how is another question, unfortunately, the authorities in Ukraine are all pro-Western, but also to catch a sparrow in the field (when the government comes to its senses or changes to the one we need ) to wait for a very long time or is not realistic at all, because we Ukrainians need a normal Ukraine and not an orange or LGBT one right now.
      What should ordinary Ukrainian citizens who understand what’s what do? go to the Maidan? There’s no point, believe me, the authorities don’t care, it doesn’t matter what happens to the people, the Ministry of Internal Affairs will use weapons against its own citizens.
      If Russians from Ukraine were given Russian citizenship, my family and I would go to explore and populate Siberia
      1. IT
        IT
        +1
        20 September 2013 22: 51
        So they give it! Contact the Russian Consulate!
  86. 0
    20 September 2013 22: 14
    The current rulers of Ukraine will steal, make them poor, mired in loans, corrupt the youth with hatred of Russia and leave everything behind, they will go abroad, and we will come to the rescue, just as in a war we will feed, warm, restore the economy of the fraternal people (there is no part of the same people) and that’s all we will be fine, I believe in it.
  87. IT
    IT
    -1
    20 September 2013 22: 47
    Yes, in Ukraine they don’t discuss this news as much as in Russia. Let us decide for ourselves how to live and what to choose. If this choice is a mistake, it will be our mistake!
    The behavior of the Russians towards Ukraine is similar to the behavior of the United States towards Syria. They also decide how it will be better for the Syrians. Let's everyone think for their own country, and not for the neighboring ones.
  88. IT
    IT
    0
    20 September 2013 22: 47
    Yes, in Ukraine they don’t discuss this news as much as in Russia. Let us decide for ourselves how to live and what to choose. If this choice is a mistake, it will be our mistake!
    The behavior of the Russians towards Ukraine is similar to the behavior of the United States towards Syria. They also decide how it will be better for the Syrians. Let's everyone think for their own country, and not for the neighboring ones.
  89. +1
    20 September 2013 22: 52
    Yanukovych doesn’t give a damn about Ukraine. He's already stolen so much that it's almost overwhelming. If something happens, get on a plane and go to your owners.

    Say hello to Berezovsky
  90. +2
    20 September 2013 22: 59
    The choice of Ukraine is a choice Ukraine, let the Ukrainians deal with their magician Yanukovych themselves. Russia should not, and does not have any right, to interfere with a Ukrainian monastery with its own charter. But if you secede, secede seriously: no benefits, no preferences to the detriment of the interests of Russia and the Russian people - no more tobacco! Russia is a completely self-sufficient country and can not only afford not to try to make friends with anyone, but also to sort out grub: which of those asking for friendship to accept as friends, and which to send to the forest.
  91. +1
    20 September 2013 23: 06
    Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev The last General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee. The last Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, then the first Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. The first and last President of the USSR.

    Viktor Yanukovych was a member of the Komsomol - in 1964-1978, and also a member of the CPSU - from 1980 to 1991. [source not specified 571 days]
    In August 1996, Yanukovych was appointed deputy chairman, and in September - first deputy chairman of the Donetsk Regional State Administration[8][21].
    In 2001, having secured the consent of Leonid Kuchma, he visited Moscow for the first time on an official visit[26]. Throughout his entire period of holding elected positions in Ukraine, he enjoyed the constant support of the “Community of Donbassites of Moscow”[27].
    From May 14, 1997 to November 2002 - Chairman of the Donetsk Regional State Administration and Deputy of the Donetsk Regional Council[8][21].
    From May 1999 to May 2001 - part-time chairman of the Donetsk Regional Council[8][21].
    From December 12, 2000 to February 1, 2004 - Head of the Department of Innovative Management of Don State University[28].
    Deputy of the Donetsk Regional Council of the III convocation. [source not specified 571 days]
    On November 21, 2002, Viktor Yanukovych was appointed to the post of Prime Minister of Ukraine (other possible candidates for the post were then also named Sergey Tigipko, Georgy Kirpa, Oleg Dubina)[21].
    On April 20, 2003 he was elected chairman of the Party of Regions[21].
    August 4, 2006 - December 18, 2007 - Prime Minister of Ukraine for the second time, member of the National Security and Defense Council.
    since February 25, 2010 - President of Ukraine, head of the National Security and Defense Council, Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    They voted for Mr. Yanukovych, who promised to integrate more closely with Russia, and as a result they ended up in the EU. We've already seen this somewhere.
  92. sanecc
    -6
    20 September 2013 23: 20
    PHOTO - UNACCEPTABLE - Ukrainians WILL PRINT PUTIN NEXT TO SARTIRE - LET'S BE MORE HUMBLE
  93. chushoj
    +1
    21 September 2013 00: 21
    Yanukovych will hold a referendum on the topic of either the EU or the Customs Union. He is delaying the referendum, ostensibly so that Russia will think about it and lower the price of gas. In this case, Ukraine will be supportive. With this action, Yanukovych is making a grave mistake.
  94. +2
    21 September 2013 00: 43
    Quote: Mikhail_59 Yesterday, 23:04, _130920/Fri
    Mikhail for President of Ukraine!!! soldier

    Good evening, dear namesake!

    Thank you for your rating and encouragement! smile
    But I do not consider myself personally capable of running a state, I simply exchange thoughts, information, links here, learn from others and express my judgments and assumptions here.
    Therefore, I will be very grateful to you, dear namesake, if you no longer nominate me, an older man, “even virtually” to high positions, I won’t become the next “political prostitute”, for any price.

    For the role of the PEOPLE'S PRESIDENT, I am sure that new people are already GROWING up among the Ukrainian people, true PATRIOTS OF UKRAINE AND THE USSR, whom we citizens simply need to notice, pay attention to THEIR DEEDS (not nice words and empty promises) and support them and help them.

    Frank support from the people (not false smiles and cries of sycophants) can overcome the POWER of any money and unravel and resist any meanness and fraud, the true SONS OF HIS PEOPLE. Well, sooner or later ALL “political prostitutes” who change every 4 years in the brothel into which they turned the “presidential post”, “government” and “People’s Rada” (Ukrainian parliament) budut are appreciated by their PEOPLE and history itself.

    I just, just like other people (unfortunately even in old age), do not believe in the “sweet promises” of politicians and deputies, but I just wonder what will happen tomorrow and how these new promises will end in 5, 10 or 15 years?

    For example, here in Slovakia back in 1994, 1998, 2002, etc., promises were made by prime ministers (Slovakia is a “prime state” and the president has only constitutional affairs), in 4-8 years to achieve a 2-3 times increase in salaries, that there will be a “SECOND Switzerland” and other sayings. A real things - BIG zilch, the treasury has been plundered, the country is in deep debt, industry and agriculture have been DESTROYED.
    True, there are “achievements”:
    - all the prime ministers, ministers and chairmen of the ruling parties from poor referents over the years of “steering in politics or near the helm” became indecently rich, or their young children, spouses, nephews and other related pack became sharply rich.

    And the Slovak people themselves don’t have enough to buy a piece of bread or pay for housing and communal services expenses; they travel to work throughout Europe, all over the world, etc. This is “real life on the eastern edge of the United Europe/EU”. Moreover, Slovakia itself is a very beautiful and small country with the Carpathians in the East, the High Tatras in the North, the White Carpathians in the West and the Great Danube in the South, with hard-working, pleasant and well-mannered people.

    Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    1. chushoj
      +2
      21 September 2013 00: 51
      Dear Mikhailo, putting your hand on the most precious place, name the name of a worthy son of the Ukrainian people who was among the rulers.
      Maybe this is where the secret lies, how easily skilled people make the Holodomor happen in Ukraine? Maybe you don't think so?
  95. +2
    21 September 2013 01: 09
    Yanukovych is Judas and a dunce. But what can you take from crime? When he surrenders Ukraine, he will be immediately abandoned - no one will need him after that. What is he hoping for? Run away to Israel with 30 pieces of silver?

    I am especially amazed by those who still continue to defend the idea of ​​European integration. "God's dew! God's dew!" - Is this how you should lament correctly when you piss in your eyes?
  96. Tex
    Tex
    0
    21 September 2013 01: 11
    soldier Well, some speakers went deeper into history stop , but the trouble is, the further into the depths of centuries, the more both sides are wrong. But in reality, the behavior of both countries since 90 can be described as a complete lack of strategic analysis of the situation and planning for further development, and the new lords and gentlemen had no time to steal away such an inheritance, this is a task for more than a dozen years, but as we see, they managed it, Baikanur , Mriya, Buran, Mir station, nuclear surface and underwater cruisers, the most reading and educated people, the concept of parasite and much more remained only in the pictures of old textbooks, and this year in my home village for the first time they did not celebrate Victory Day (officially) no money , gentlemen, comrades, this is the land, the starting point, in twenty years children will learn history from American films.
  97. igorelo
    -4
    21 September 2013 01: 28
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    So where does this emblem come from, but why do they not drag portraits of Hitler? The omission is exactly the same, you need to match the story. Ugh. U, P, O, D, Y

    U.R.O.D himself along with his Stalinist adviser Satan
  98. +1
    21 September 2013 01: 45
    Quote: chushoj Today, 00:51, _130920/Fri
    Dear Mikhailo, putting your hand on the most precious place, name the name of a worthy son of the Ukrainian people who was among the rulers.
    Maybe this is where the secret lies, how easily skilled people make the Holodomor happen in Ukraine? Maybe you don't think so?

    Good evening dear Dmitry! Sorry, I didn’t quite understand your question, do you mean that? who already HAS BEEN or the one who COULD BECOME one?

    All those who sat in Kiev on the chair of Vladimir the Great, starting from Kravchuk, in my personal opinion, are worth not state pensions but PRISONS, and not a “luxury cell with a daily routine filled with meetings with Western politicians” but an ordinary penal colony.
    The very fact that Ms. Tymoshenko is the first politician sent to prison is encouraging, although we all understand that there are probably more political arguments in her condemnation than the forces of the “LAW FOR ALL.”
    Because if the “Law for All” is applied, it would be necessary to start imprisoning all former presidents of Ukraine, their assistants, prime ministers, chairmen of the National Bank, ministers, heads and deputies of the People’s Rada of all convocations...
    I will tell you honestly that I do not closely follow the political arena in Kyiv and the regions, so I do not know the names of people known through the media or financial, criminal or political scandals or from “statements from below.”

    But for example, here on the VO website, yesterday there was a good article about a modest philanthropist http://topwar.ru/33537-pozhelavshiy-ostatsya-neizvestnym-mecenat-pomog-veteranu-
    invalidu.html.

    He gave his name simply as Valery, himself a former “Afghan”, who, with his own money (he’s a successful mid-caliber entrepreneur, perhaps?) bought a 3-room apartment for the family of a fire victim, a “disabled Chechen” with his wife and three children. This fire victim, Andrei Maslennikov, received group 2 disability at the age of 18 near Khankala in Chechnya. And to a veteran who lost his health defending Russia, officials offered him a room in a dormitory that burned out in front of this?!

    I don’t know all the details about this modest philanthropist, but forum users wrote about him that he is a modest person, does not flaunt his kindness and has already helped other soldiers, veterans and disabled people of Afghanistan, etc.

    So, during the discussion of this article, forum members made PROPOSALS that such a person should be PROMOTED to GOVERNOR!

    I am personally confident that similar, decent people (I especially appreciate Afghan and other military veterans, let the WWII veterans not be offended, they are already at a very mature age) will certainly do it in ANY “elected or government position” at the level of a village, district, city , region and country, MUCH more than any further “political-elite snickering bastard.”

    Sorry, I probably couldn’t give you a simple answer or immediately name the name of an honest man worthy of HIS PEOPLE.
    But all together, WE are ordinary ordinary people and citizens, who are worried about what will happen to our Ukraine and all the post-USSR tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, we will be able to name and support SUCH or even BETTER people with heart, faith and decency. And now all three of these TRAITS are in high demand due to their rarity. And I would like to live until such and other good traits become ORDINARY.

    Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    1. chushoj
      +1
      21 September 2013 13: 48
      Of course, we are ordinary people, but we are the ones who make up the country. Don't use Afghanistan as an example. For me, this is the grief of the whole family, this is the very dirt of a rotten society and mass betrayal. The consequences of this dirt are modern dirt, when a young man who has not served says that he can kill someone who served in the army with his left hand. These are modern officers who advised me to beat the young insolent warrant officer (from Ukraine, by the way), they did so. I'm talking about this.
  99. +1
    21 September 2013 01: 50
    Well, I already wrote how I talked with a young Ukrainian from Kyiv, using numbers I tried to get some clear ideas - why the EU choice is better - he, like any young man, simply compares where is better.
    \He knows that something he is proud of is being done jointly or for the Russian Federation, but he is ready to risk the death of the economy (I gave him this term) in order to take risks for the sake of European well-being.
    Young people, of course, tend to take risks and try new things. And my attempts fell apart after he answered “Yes” to the question - are you ready to accept the death of the economy?
    Well, almost all the young people are ready because they firmly believe in Europe. And what gives pennies... they forget where
    And the scenario for this campaign was developed both in the EU and in Moscow. EU+FJ+GDP operate according to a single scenario.
    FYA is just a good performer.... cowardly, but a performer.
    The country is struggling with information - Medvechuk Glazyev, Vitrenko and others - trying to convey information. At the same time, the EU mouthpiece loudly says that everything will be fine..
    What chance do we have if the vice is very strong? But the people are not unanimous. They asked why the GDP was not doing anything, but was doing it with Syria. So the script was arranged for him in advance. He even played the final act in it loudly, so that the electorate would finally not believe in the CU. Previously, I believed that it was a mistake, but now it is a clear scenario. Everything is there at the same time...
    You shouldn't give up. Everything depends on ourselves.
    PS and now about the good stuff. My girlfriend from Tver came to Koktebel and we are waiting for me there winked
    1. +2
      21 September 2013 02: 23
      Good evening dear "nick"!
      Sorry, I don’t understand the name “crystal,” although the photo of the lady in your name at first aroused slight concerns about your “mental orientation.” sad The love of a man for a woman is a good feeling and should be protected and cherished.

      Now to your important words. You shouldn’t be upset that it’s hard to explain to ordinary people the REAL BACKGROUND, plans and methods of psycho-manipulative warfare!!! You just need to realize that just a small number of us thinking and doubting everything, stands up to a well-oiled and VERY STRONG propaganda PACK (Media, TV, radio, Internet, etc.).

      I personally believe that even if everyone I talk or argue with immediately disagrees with me, but even if he just thinks, doubts, maybe I’m right and believing “beautiful fairy tales” will cost us ALL more?!, so uhthen it should be considered a POSITIVE result.

      And if more people, instead of having FUN and discussing where it’s better to relax and what cooler car to buy, there will be pay more attention to SPIRITUALITY, FAITHE, they begin to think about what is our MESSAGE on mortal earth?, then things will move from the “bottom dead center”. The artificial world of TV and media is dragging all of us into the swamp of entertainment, vulgarity and disgusting, and few of us understand this and begin to resist the ROLL OF DECEPTION and DAMAGE.

      But if we talk about this, it means that our ENEMIES have not achieved complete victory, and we have a chance to move from blind defense to a COUNTERATTACK.

      I wish you not to give up and continue to explain and show.

      By the way, if you are interested in examples with links and figures about how the life and well-being of the people in Slovakia “IMPROVED” after joining the EU and in general for all the years from 1989 to 2013, I can provide them to you and translate them into Russian.

      Good night, Michael.
      1. +1
        22 September 2013 13: 17
        If anything, my name is Oleg.
        But as for the answer, thank you. I understand a lot of things, but it didn’t come right away. Besides, I had 9 years of life under the USSR and I remember a lot. Over the course of 9 years, I’ve probably read more books than any 9-year-old Ukrainian news reader on the Internet.
        Nowadays people are easy to manipulate. Everywhere. Science is as old as time. Only the methods are becoming more and more perfect.
  100. Mikola
    -3
    21 September 2013 12: 26
    Another propaganda campaign. If the author and commentators were interested in Ukraine, they would have voiced the reasons for Ukraine’s decision in the direction of European integration. And the decision was made not only by Yanukovych, but by the entire society, all parties in Ukraine except the marginal communists (communists are a minority that is part of a coalition with the party in power, cool) supported European integration!!! In Ukraine, there is a published report by the da Vinci analytical group, here are its theses: In the Customs Union there is a decline in mutual trade, the resource orientation of the CU increases the risks for the economies of its members, Russia in the CU seeks to maintain a monopoly on the supply of energy resources, the transformation of the CU into a semi-closed market reduces the benefits Kazakhstan and Belarus, the Russian Federation resorts to external and internal trade wars as a way to protect the domestic market of Russia, Consolidation, absorption and squeezing out competitors from the market - a model for the development of non-resource industries within the CU, Discriminatory policies regarding manufacturers within the CU leads to the closure of enterprises, Ukraine should not expect the end of trade conflicts with Russia after joining the Customs Union, Russia wants to monopolize foreign trade with the EU in the post-Soviet space, the shadowing of trade flows in the Customs Union does not make it possible to estimate their real volumes, the functioning of the Customs Union worsens the situation with drug trafficking, a high increase in inflation is observed in the Customs Union. The report also indicates that joining the CU only in the first year will provide advantages, followed by the following disadvantages. It is strange that other guests did not mention this report... This study is dedicated to analyzing the effectiveness of the functioning of the Customs Union at the present stage. The latest operational report is designed to assess the dynamics of development of relations within the Customs Union over a 6-month period covering the second and third quarters of this year. The document is based on official CU (EEC) statistics, analysis of statements, comments and assessments of representatives of government, diplomatic and business circles of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus regarding the situation in the national economies and social sphere within the Customs Union.

    The results of the analysis demonstrated that the problems and risks identified in March 2013 not only deepened by September, but also formed stable negative trends, which allow us to come to the following conclusions.
    1. +2
      21 September 2013 14: 44
      The reasons were stated. Read above. They bought Yanyk, who stupidly cheated voters. Khan of your independence, now Ukrainian production will be curtailed as unnecessary. They won’t take it to the EU, they will only push all sorts of crap into this European Africa with a standard of living like in Tunisia. Ukraine is turning into a colony with European slaves who are ready to work for GMO food.
      If you are so sure that Ukrainians chose the EU and not the CU, then why not hold a referendum? Divorced because... This country was originally invented for nothing more than to scam suckers. It’s just that the cunning-assed Europeans played on the naivety and peasant stupidity of the Ukrainians.
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      23 September 2013 06: 30
      This is hysteria. The post is based on “how bad everything is in Russia.” And this is correct, since there is nothing else to build such writings on, there is little of our own, and soon there will be none at all.
      The supply of biomaterial and the gradually decreasing consumption of the results of other people’s labor, no more - that’s all independence.
      Western “partners” are already “abandoning” Ukraine and are not shy about it, so what can we expect next? You have to be a hireling or an idiot to support the current flawed path of political, economic, and state degradation of a country that has never managed to become even a little significant, let alone great. Unlike those who do not “lie down” to the fat-killers. Well, it’s clear, what importance does a servile servant have?