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"Duck" named Yanukovych limped?

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18 September 2013 of the year, the Ukrainian government, in unison, expressed approval of the draft agreement, according to which Ukraine chooses the European vector of development, namely the association agreement with the EU. Now Viktor Yanukovych, who pushed the Cabinet to this decision, has only to endorse this document. At the next stage, Ukraine will wait for the decision of the European Union itself that it is ready to be associated with Ukraine. Apparently, such an EU decision will be made at the next EU summit, which will take place in a couple of months in Vilnius.


"Duck" named Yanukovych limped?


The European partners of Ukraine have already expressed their approval to the “outstanding” deed of Viktor Yanukovich and the Ukrainian government about their desire to join the Free Trade Zone with European “brothers”. The representative of the European Union in Ukraine Mr. Tombinsky was able to voice his approval literally in the “online” mode. He stated that the summit in Vilnius, the citation: "will be our common success." Promptly speaking about the decision of the Ukrainian parliament, Tombinsky was helped by the fact that he was at the meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine at the time of the decision. The case is remarkable. The presence at the meeting of the Ukrainian government of the EU representative in many respects resembles the presence of American “consultants” at the meetings of the Russian governments at the dawn of the nineties, as does the presence of foreign “assistants” at the meeting of the Georgian Cabinet of the “omnipotence” party of Mikhail Saakashvili in Georgia. Like, I understand that you are the ministers of an independent state, but I still sit side by side here so that the decisions are made right ... If the meeting goes in the wrong direction, then I will try to make some corrections ...

In addition to Jan Tombinsky, the idea of ​​signing an association agreement with the European Union was supported by such Mr. Alexander Vershbow, who is currently the Deputy Secretary General of NATO. At the government meeting, however, Vershbow was not present, otherwise it would be a complete set ...

It would seem, moreover, here is the opinion of Vershbow, and how it generally relates to the Free Trade Zone and the European Union institutions. Legally, of course, no. But did NATO ever stop legal restrictions ...
Alexander Vershbow decided to link his joy with Ukraine’s readiness to associate with the European Union with the Ukraine-NATO partnership:

The future of NATO-Ukraine cooperation looks promising. Ukraine probably will not look for opportunities to join the organization, but intensive cooperation with NATO demonstrates a sufficient level of support for Ukraine’s priorities in joining the EU. And we will do everything possible to help Ukraine to complete these tasks.


Thus, Vershbow, as it were, decided to remind official Kiev that although it positions itself as the capital of a non-bloc state, but time passes, the world changes ... What if? .. "Suddenly" means that as soon as Viktor Yanukovych decides (if after all, he will decide) to finally dive headlong into Western “democracy” and inadvertently declare that he can push Ukraine toward rapprochement with NATO, then the North Atlantic Alliance will spread into a friendly smile and will eventually take Ukraine under its wing.

In addition, Vershbow makes it clear that, by and large, even the declared non-aligned status of Ukraine is not a problem:

Despite this status of Ukraine, cooperation between NATO and Ukraine has recently become more efficient and productive. In particular, it was Ukraine that made a great contribution to the maintenance of peacekeeping missions and the resolution of crisis situations in Kosovo and Afghanistan.


They say that it’s not necessary to join “us”, the main thing is to be friends with us, and then the matter will be visible. In this traces a certain analogy with the anecdotal "he was not a homosexual himself, but he was inclined towards friendship with them."

So, it turns out that Viktor Yanukovych, already without five minutes, succeeded in something that the “orange” activists could not do in several years of their time at the helm of the Ukrainian authorities. It is noteworthy that after the announcement that the Ukrainian president chose a course for European integration, not just anyone, but Viktor Yushchenko himself expressed words of approval in his regard. The ex-president announced that if Ukraine signs an association agreement with the European Union, he will personally send Yanukovych a congratulatory telegram. And it turns out that Yushchenko’s case lives! ..

It’s only interesting what now remains for those Ukrainian citizens who voted for Mr. Yanukovich, who promised to integrate more closely with Russia, put an end to the talk about Ukraine’s accession to NATO, decide on raising the status of the Russian language, agree on lowering energy prices. It turns out that Yanukovych simply threw his voters, earning a temporary and, of course, false authority with the "orange". The fact that for politicians "kidalovo", especially after the elections, is often an ordinary matter, it is clear to everyone. But the highlight of the situation is that the world average level of the political “scammer” Yanukovych is far superior. The lion's share of his election promises turned out to be a lie, which already makes Viktor Fyodorovich a political corpse - after all, only a year and a half remains before the presidential elections in Ukraine. If Yanukovych seriously expects that now those who voted for Tymoshenko or Yushchenko will support him now, he is deeply mistaken. Yulia is languishing in the Kharkov dungeon in general, at the suggestion of the current president ... This point from the flank of supporters of the “woman with a scythe” does not exactly add to him. Yes, and by and large Yanukovych in general seriously got into a mess: it is obvious that he lost some of his trust, and he hardly has time to earn the trust of others. If not a “lame duck” to the full, then some kind of “coughing drake” ...

So, the Ukrainian authorities decided to start the path to the EU, while on the way of association and entry into the Free Trade Zone with the European Union. Well, knowing that this is by no means the choice of the majority of the Ukrainian people, it simply does not make sense to condemn it: “Yushchenko” and “Yanukovychs” come and go, but we still live next to it. Therefore, we will not move on to thinking about the fact that “we are brothers or not brothers” (especially since it is usually the twentieth deal for the authorities), but we will try to reflect on the topic of an exclusively economic future.

First you need to assume that Ukraine “pro-associates” and entered into the FTA (Free Trade Zone) with the European Union. As already mentioned by the advisor to the Russian president, this step of the Ukrainian leadership actually means that Ukraine will not be able to enter the Customs Union (CU) and the Common Economic Space (CES). Are there any advantages for Ukraine in joining the FTA? Supporters of the European Association claim that there is. They look like this: the average customs rate for Ukrainian goods entering the EU will fall from 7,6 to 0,5 percent (more than 15 times!) It seems that everything is great for Ukrainian manufacturers, and they need to proceed to the calculation of profits.
However, the same supporters of Ukrainian European integration forget (or simply do not know) that the European Union is ready to let in to itself goods only from those Ukrainian manufacturers that have switched to European standardization. Today, such manufacturers in Ukraine, as they say, the cat wept, because the overwhelming number of Ukrainian goods all this time went far in the western direction ...

For all, without exception, the existing enterprises of Ukraine to be standardized according to EU standards, it takes years and money. Will the EU wait for these years, and who will allocate the money? Why wait for the European Union? It will simply start to increase the flow of goods towards Ukraine, since the Ukrainian border for European goods will open, and no “Ukrainian standardization” is required for the EU (how could this very clever association agreement be written for the European Union itself ...). Ukraine will have to cut customs duties for goods from the EU more than twice (by the way, Ukrainian Prime Minister Azarov himself said this). That is, it turns out that while Ukrainian enterprises will standardize under the European GOST, Europeans will, firstly, quietly flood the Ukrainian market with their products, and, secondly, give Ukraine money in the form of loans for this very standardization. As a result, the Ukrainian manufacturer (who has not managed to standardize in a European way today) hangs on European loans, not being able to supply its goods to Europe in the course of several years of transition to a new standardization and losing the ability to deliver goods at the past (still current) tariffs to the Russian market (total of the Customs Union).

Experts at the Center for Economic Research say that in the medium term (minimum, 5-10 years), the growth of Ukrainian welfare in connection with the entry into the FTA will be 1,3%. This is what turns out, the welfare of Ukraine after entering the Free Trade Area in the EU will grow "as much" by 0,13-0,26% per year? I would like to look at the man who considers such growth impressive ...

By the way, one should not forget that the European economic principles concern increasing the tax burden on individual production sectors. Will the Ukrainian producers withstand even higher taxes? Someone will endure, and someone just orders to live long, unless he finally sits down on the European "fraternal" loans.

I wonder if Viktor Yanukovich himself is aware of such an economic “breakthrough” of Ukraine? Or the revealed desire to be liked by the West, having shown Moscow to “fucking mother”, is much more important than people's interests for Viktor Dolnedever.
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  1. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 20 September 2013 08: 28 New
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    I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 September 2013 08: 55 New
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      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people

      The people had nothing to do with it at all. The people, as they were, remained part of the Russian people. It’s another thing that the state itself was created artificially. A piece from one, a piece from the other, a little from the third. But a single people did not work out.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 20 September 2013 10: 14 New
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        Quote: domokl
        The people had nothing to do with it at all. The people, as they were, remained part of the Russian people. It’s another thing that the state itself was created artificially. A piece from one, a piece from the other, a little from the third. But a single people did not work out.

        And I'm sure someday the people will take everything into their own hands, it will be exactly when they get enough of this very free trade and "democracy" .... but for now, as it says ...
        join the free trade zone with European "brothers"

        ... yes, exactly, while they have new European "brothers" .... here.
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 20 September 2013 21: 53 New
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          Natalia (2) RU "I'm sure someday people will take everything into their own hands,"
          -------------------------------------------------- -----
          Your words, yes GOD in your ears! Only you yourself believe in what you say?
          The people themselves will not be able to do ANYTHING, unfortunately, and there is no need to harbor illusions. This incidentally applies not only to Ukraine, but to all other countries. Anything can be decided only by a MAN with a gun, and this is an ARMY! Here I am, for example, I would put the entire government and the Verkhovna Rada to the WALL, but what can I do here? NOTHING.
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 20 September 2013 11: 08 New
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        Quote: domokl
        The people have nothing to do with it.


        everything is relative
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 20 September 2013 11: 29 New
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          Quote: seller trucks
          everything is relative

          And in the photo it’s not the hours of Lviv (Lviv tobish) ... otherwise they are lovers of such events there ....
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 20 September 2013 11: 36 New
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            Quote: Natalia
            Quote: seller trucks
            everything is relative

            And in the photo it’s not the hours of Lviv (Lviv tobish) ... otherwise they are lovers of such events there ....


            so otozh
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 20 September 2013 11: 40 New
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              Quote: seller trucks
              so otozh

              Ha ... I thought so. Western Ukraine is more like a gentry. Well, nothing has fundamentally changed, they still want to be knights ....
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 20 September 2013 11: 43 New
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                Quote: Natalia
                Ha ... I thought so. Western Ukraine is more like a gentry.


                Natalia, many argue that we are brothers
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 20 September 2013 11: 53 New
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                  Quote: seller trucks
                  Natalia, many argue that we are brothers

                  Not with the knights, what kind of brothers (sisters) we are ...
                  There are just brothers (sisters) who want to be knights, but at the same time they are mistaken ... we have been knights since ancient times, and Ukrainians, by the way, are also Cossacks. Current, some prefer to forget about it. There Georgians also wanted to become rangers, under Mr. Sahak, the idea, as you remember, failed ... and did not find support in society.
                  So we need to be ourselves, and do not forget that we have a common history ... relatives are common to many.
                  So ..... here.
                  1. seller trucks
                    seller trucks 20 September 2013 12: 01 New
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                    Quote: Natalia
                    Not well with the knights, well what kind of brothers are we


                    little remark, they (the Cossacks) were called "litsars"

                    "In drunkenness and frivolity," says the Frenchman Beauplan, "the Cossacks tried to surpass each other, and there are hardly any in all Christian Europe such carefree heads as the Cossacks. There is no people in the world that could compare with the Cossacks in drunkenness: they will not have time to sleep and are already getting drunk again "
                    1. revnagan
                      revnagan 20 September 2013 12: 36 New
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                      Quote: seller trucks
                      little remark, they (the Cossacks) were called "litsars"

                      An even smaller remark - WHAT COSSACKS WERE IN GALITSAYSHCHIN? Hutsul Sich laughing ? Where are the Cossacks among the Galicians ?! Lviv is a city that received "privileges" (privileges) from the Polish crown for resisting the Cossacks! Galitsai the Cossack !? A submarine in the steppes of Ukraine died in an unequal air battle.
                2. revnagan
                  revnagan 20 September 2013 12: 31 New
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                  Quote: seller trucks
                  Natalia, many argue that we are brothers

                  The Galicians are not even Slavs. These are the descendants of the ancient wild Dacian tribes of carps. The same Romanians, and have nothing to do with Ukrainians at all. Galicians, Galician, mongrels of Europe, a wild mixture of Polish, Czech, Hungarian, Romanian genes. With the help of persistent brainwashing the rest of the inhabitants of Ukraine turned the concept of "Ukrainian" upside down. They are now Ukrainians: to fall, do not get up! And they teach us the Ukrainian language and culture! Customs! And the authorities support this (for the money of the Western diasporas, of course). And it already turns out, that primordial Ukraine is not Poltava, Chernihiv and Kharkiv, but Galicia! The world is going crazy.
                3. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 September 2013 12: 48 New
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                  Quote: seller trucks
                  many argue that we are brothers

                  They are not brothers to us, eSeS monkeys negative
                  1. seller trucks
                    seller trucks 20 September 2013 13: 10 New
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                    as I understand you yes
                4. Borz
                  Borz 20 September 2013 18: 28 New
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                  Zapadentsy is not even our brothers. We are the largest and most adequate part of the country's population. Grandfather Stalin was still slightly mistaken when he annexed Lemberg (current lions) to Soviet Ukraine. We would remain under the Poles, even if they had a headache. No, the late Chornovil was right when he said that only federalization would save Ukraine as a single state.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 September 2013 12: 47 New
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              So where does this emblem come from, but why do they not drag portraits of Hitler? The omission is exactly the same, you need to match the story. Ugh. U, P, O, D, Y
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            3. AndreyAB
              AndreyAB 20 September 2013 17: 44 New
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              It’s funny and annoying to look at these clowns how people can be fooled and reduced to the level of not nationalists, but to the level of sheep whose goat leads to the slaughterhouse and at the same time convinced that their wool and meat will benefit them.
        2. apostrophe
          apostrophe 20 September 2013 11: 52 New
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          And what does this picture prove? With the same success, you can remember the Vlasovites, do you think it will prove that the people of the USSR were against the Soviet regime? smile
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 20 September 2013 12: 03 New
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            Quote: Apostrophe
            And what does this picture prove? With the same success, you can remember the Vlasovites, do you think it will prove that the people of the USSR were against the Soviet regime?


            what proves? hmm, in Russia, Vlasov and the ROA are traitors, and in Ukraine are heroes. Something like this...
            1. apostrophe
              apostrophe 20 September 2013 15: 15 New
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              Do not confuse power and people, this is not the same thing. Otherwise, it turns out that the people in 91 really wanted the collapse of the USSR, but this is not so.
            2. Don
              Don 20 September 2013 17: 07 New
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              Quote: seller trucks
              Vlasov and the ROA are traitors in Russia, and heroes in Ukraine. Something like this.

              Not all of Ukraine. If some stupid people consider them heroes, it is not necessary for the whole people to sign up for it.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 September 2013 14: 03 New
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            Quote: Apostrophe
            And what does this picture prove?

            Personally, nothing to you, all God's dew fool
            1. apostrophe
              apostrophe 20 September 2013 14: 47 New
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              As always, damn meaningful answer, well done smile
        3. Val_y
          Val_y 20 September 2013 12: 28 New
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          Well, that was also the case.
        4. morpex
          morpex 20 September 2013 14: 52 New
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          Quote: seller trucks
          everything is relative

          And don’t say ....
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 20 September 2013 17: 37 New
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            This Mr. Vnyuk, with the tattoo of the fascist coat of arms "an eagle with a swastika", is to be tried for the spread of fascist symbols and sentenced to remove the "picture" from his back without painkillers. In another way, these do not understand.
            1. jasper
              jasper 20 September 2013 20: 43 New
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              Yes, this type is known, by the way it sits including 282 and 105
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 September 2013 12: 44 New
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        Quote: domokl

        The people have nothing to do with it

        Hi Sasha! And you read the comments of some Ukrainians, they are also part of the people. Part of this people is hated by Russia and very frankly.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 20 September 2013 13: 08 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Sasha! And you read the comments of some Ukrainians, they are also part of the people. Part of this people is hated by Russia and very frankly.


          I am not Sasha, the question is not for me, I will insert my "five cents", on VO this (comments) is within the bounds of decency, in any case, they (Ukrainians) are more or less, almost tame, if you read the comments on other forums (Ukrainian), it's just Russophobia in the cube, I spent two years at the Politforums (e), so this is, in general, the Ecumenical Cesspool, it's true not only Ukrainians, there are enough "our" obscurantists. So about the "friendship of peoples" and "brotherhood", while these same .... do not "eat up" Square, talk to them about what.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 September 2013 14: 04 New
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            Quote: seller trucks
            I'm not Sasha

            I wrote to Domoclu !!!!!
          2. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan 20 September 2013 18: 22 New
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            they (Ukrainians) are more or less, almost tame

            Well, who are you after that? The answer is a breeding ground for obscurantists. I’m not sure that someone didn’t drag this quote to the Natsyuk forum as proof that it’s impossible to be friends with the Russians, because they consider us not even their servants, but pets.
            Threat. He himself sat on the Natsyuk forum until he was banned for 735000 for years and I affirm that those who are bruised to death, as you say there 4-5 part of the maximum. Just stink more from them.
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 21 September 2013 11: 04 New
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              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              Well, who are you after that? The answer is a breeding ground for obscurantists.


              I'm not Wednesday, I'm Vital! repeat
              in essence: if you do not pull the quote out of context, my statement, "white and fluffy" and concerns specific people.

              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              Threat. He himself sat on the Natsyuk forum until he was banned for 735000 for years and I affirm that those who are bruised to death, as you say there 4-5 part of the maximum. Just stink more from them.


              give you links to forums? Phrase, Corr, UP. there are 2/3 of them. I would still remember NR2 mid-2000, where the real "tin" was
        2. apostrophe
          apostrophe 20 September 2013 15: 16 New
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          And better in Sevastopol or Odessa ask how they relate to Russia.
        3. kavkaz8888
          kavkaz8888 20 September 2013 23: 07 New
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          Most of these "some Ukrainians" are pure trolls. Jumping gallop.
      4. Genur
        Genur 20 September 2013 14: 16 New
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        Well, exactly according to the principle - "I will not eat, I will take a bite" ... and then whatever happens ...
      5. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 20 September 2013 17: 42 New
        +4
        Speaking about the outskirts, we are talking about ourselves, another piece of the Slavic world was split off by "civilians", and the fate of the outskirts (Ukraine) is sad, after the signing of these scribbles, the country will split in two, and that part that will strive for Russia will be mercilessly destroyed, with the hands of Western Judas , and Russia, as has recently become a tradition, will again adhere to "international principles and will betray the Russians from the outskirts, and then, if a miracle does not happen, it will be Russia's turn.
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 20 September 2013 17: 54 New
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          Speaking of the borderlands, we are talking about ourselves,

          Calling us Okraintsy, you yourself are breaking off no worse than the fool Yanukovych. Just do not blah blah blah about the ancient name of Ukraine. I will never call modern Russian Muscovite, motivating me that Russia was once called Muscovite. Just out of respect for the Russians.
          By the way, Ukraine-outskirts is just one of the versions. Enlighten:
          The name Ukraine first appears in the Ipatiev Chronicle in the 1187 year.
          There are several theories about the origin of the name "Ukraine".
          According to one of them, the name comes from the all-Slavic “Ukraine”, “border region”, which was first applied to the border territories of Kievan Rus - Pereyaslav principality and later subsequently extended to neighboring territories.
          In the future, the name "Ukraine" was also used to name the eastern lands of the Commonwealth, which is recorded in the maps of Ukraine by Guillaume de Beauplan XVII century.
          According to another version, the toponym “Ukraine” came from the old Slavic “steal” (that is, highlight, cut out part of the total).
          It is also possible that the name of Ukraine comes from the word "land", "country" that is simply "country", "land inhabited by its people", and "Ukrainian" meant "compatriot".
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 21 September 2013 11: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            The name Ukraine first appears in the Ipatiev Chronicle in the 1187 year.


            even if this is allowed, the Ipatiev Chronicle dates from about the middle of the 15 century, it is at least 250 later than your date

            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            There are several theories about the origin of the name "Ukraine".


            in Ukraine, yes, perhaps more, in any case, the official "outskirts" are not considered
      6. vjhbc
        vjhbc 20 September 2013 19: 04 New
        +3
        each nation is worthy of the leadership that they themselves have chosen, and if some did not go to the polls then this is their problem and one should not think that everything does not depend on the people, and if simplified the average layman does not go to the polls, then all extremists go to the polls elections and choose what is close to them
        Quote: domokl
        The people have nothing to do with it at all. The people, as they were, remained part of the Russian people
        1. 7ydmco
          7ydmco 20 September 2013 20: 34 New
          +4
          Believe in the election? In vain. Often, out of two or more candidates, there are no normal ones.
          1. ksan
            ksan 20 September 2013 23: 06 New
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            7ydmco RU Today, 20:34 ↑

            Believe in the election? In vain. Often, out of two or more candidates, there are no normal ones.
            No, in two or three, put forward "your", the one you believe, "normal" as you say. Well, if you don't want to, bear with the stubs.
      7. igorelo
        igorelo 21 September 2013 01: 22 New
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        Ukrainians have never been part of your 'great' people. And talk about your pieces that you occupied
    2. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 20 September 2013 09: 09 New
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      The duck limped ... it's time to let her in for soup.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 20 September 2013 10: 54 New
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        By the way, did you notice yes? As soon as Yanukovych became accommodating, the EU immediately forgot about Tymoshenko winked .... here it is real politics.
        I think that Yanukovych was afraid that if he would be an "inconvenient" partner for the EU, then the European "brothers" would force Yulia to be released, and Yulia would then put Viktor in prison.
        So I think that Eurointegr’s choice is based not so much on economic considerations as on fear of Viktor Fedorovich himself ... he was afraid that the EU would give Julia a chance, a chance to take revenge ... well, and put him in jail as an option.

        Yeahhhhh ... politics.
        1. MG42
          MG42 20 September 2013 12: 17 New
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          Quote: Natalia
          I think that Yanukovych was afraid that if he would be an "inconvenient" partner for the EU, then the European "brothers" would force Yulia to be released, and Yulia would then put Viktor in prison.


          What was he afraid of? The Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers fully approved yesterday >>
          The strategic course of Ukraine towards European integration has received support in parliament. This was made possible thanks to an absolute majority of the people who understood the correctness of Viktor Yanukovych’s choice of team regarding the country's development vector. Following the deputies, the Government also made its contribution to the process of Ukraine joining the Association with the EU. This is reported by "Details".

          At their meeting, the ministers approved a package of the European integration agreement. Now the process of preparing directly for the signing of the agreement at the Vilnius Summit of the Eastern Partnership will begin. Legislation, standards of the Ukrainian economy and other areas of life need to be harmonized with European ones. The standards of the Ukrainian market of alcohol and tobacco products in Ukraine do not yet correspond to European ones. But politicians and businessmen are already thinking about this. This topic was dedicated to a round table on which the news was reported: prices for alcohol and cigarettes in Ukraine will rise.


          http://34.ua/news/society/24364-magda-evrointegraciya.html

          1. Natalia
            Natalia 20 September 2013 12: 47 New
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            Quote: MG42
            What was he scared of? Yesterday the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers fully approved

            Well, this is also, as well as a guarantee that in the future Julia will not commit Vitya DesMach-Vendetta, unless Vitya bickers at the European integration at the request of the Russians ... here.
            1. MG42
              MG42 20 September 2013 12: 55 New
              +6
              Quote: Natalia
              Well, this is also, as well as a guarantee that in the future Julia will not commit Vitya DesMach-Vendetta

              I think that they decided to sacrifice Yulia despite all the squeals of the opposition for the sake of signing this agreement ... there was no such thing that "Blow", "Svoboda" and "BYuT" supported Yanukovych here, if you recall his past performance in the Rada under whistles and shouts and the present they say in Odessa = 2 big differences ..
              Here Lutsenko was released for compliance, apparently? now it doesn’t shout <gang GOT!> as it was before landing ..
        2. oaziss
          oaziss 20 September 2013 13: 57 New
          +6
          Quote: Natalia
          By the way, did you notice yes? As soon as Yanukovych became accommodating, the EU immediately forgot about Tymoshenko

          You are wrong, "Europe continues to insist on solving the Tymoshenko problem"
          http://glavnoe.ua/news/n149012
          and it pleases, as there is hope that Yanukovych will not decide on such a step (in this case he will take Yulka’s place himself) and the association will not be signed
          1. MG42
            MG42 20 September 2013 18: 36 New
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            Quote: oaziss
            You are wrong, "Europe continues to insist on solving the Tymoshenko problem"
            http://glavnoe.ua/news/n149012

            The trick is that Ukraine has its own information war, and in particular the opposition resources that are controlled by such irreconcilable byut-business oppositionists such as Avakov, therefore .. bully
            They still can’t print it .. there are also spheres of influence of the PR and BYuT on their ally parties in the European Parliament, but this is an undercover policy ..
            1. MG42
              MG42 20 September 2013 23: 20 New
              +3
              So that there is no doubt about what I said above in my post about the information war in Ukraine, here is Avakov's article from the same resource, just yesterday >>>
              Under the guise of European integration, the PR is trying to arrange a "***** wedding of marauders", - Avakov
              19 September 2013 08: 21

              http://glavnoe.ua/news/n148890
        3. bif
          bif 20 September 2013 20: 09 New
          +2
          By the way, did you notice yes? As soon as Yanukovych became accommodating, the EU immediately forgot about Tymoshenko
          “The answer here is simple: as soon as everything is legalized, Yanukovych will simply be forced to release Tymoshenko, and no one of his groans will be of interest to anyone. Now Tymoshenko is not important for the EU, now it is important to sign an agreement so as not to frighten away the suckers. as you please. " ARTICLE Ukraine's time is up. http://www.contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3342-vremya-ukrainy-vyshlo
        4. valerii41
          valerii41 21 September 2013 19: 33 New
          0
          Yulia will be elected president Yanukovych will go on vacation to that cell on that bed, where Yulia was gaining strength
    3. 8NEO8
      8NEO8 20 September 2013 09: 10 New
      52
      The people in Ukraine are not fraternal, but native. The brotherly people in Serbia live.
      1. transbiz-ka
        transbiz-ka 20 September 2013 11: 26 New
        +6
        True addition, fully support !!!
      2. georg737577
        georg737577 20 September 2013 20: 16 New
        +3
        Cool dude said! A huge plus!
    4. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 20 September 2013 09: 41 New
      30
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people


      ... hmm! I have relatives there and friends stayed there fool angry

      In the 17 years I lived there, not a single normal president, doing something for his country, because he was elected by the people - did not have! crying
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 20 September 2013 09: 48 New
        +5
        and for what minus? really eyes hurts?
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 September 2013 10: 35 New
          +8
          Quote: LaGlobal
          really eyes hurts?
          Naturally. But there are no arguments. Moreover, there is not even a brain to come up with an argument. That's minus ... request
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 September 2013 12: 52 New
          +5
          Quote: LaGlobal
          and for what minus? really eyes hurts?

          The one who set the minus to you, probably yes. I won’t be surprised if I find out that the person who minus you took part in the SS marches. I read his comments, many of which were deleted.
      2. Natalia
        Natalia 20 September 2013 10: 33 New
        +9
        Quote: LaGlobal
        ..mda! I have relatives there and friends stayed there
        In the 17 years I lived there, not a single normal president, doing something for his country, because he was elected by the people - was not!

        ... I sympathize, but in the end, they will not go anywhere, they are also nearby, next to Russia ... what so what is very upset ... request
        ... in this sense I’m more fortunate, I have all my relatives in Belarus winked
        1. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 20 September 2013 10: 44 New
          +8
          Quote: Natalia
          .. sympathize, but in the end, they won’t go anywhere, they’re also close by, next to Russia ... what so, why get upset ... request
          ... in this sense I was more fortunate, I have all my relatives in Belarus winked


          Greetings, Natalia! We can on "YOU" repeat ?
          Thanks for the sympathy.

          Yes, I agree that we will always be there, and will always help our brothers and friends!

          I remembered a quote from one Hollywood action movie: "DO NOT TURN FROM THE FAMILY, EVEN IF SHE TURNED FROM YOU" ...

          So, let's not turn away from our friends and relatives!
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 20 September 2013 11: 07 New
            +6
            Quote: LaGlobal
            Thanks for the sympathy.

            Yes, always please, but you know you can do it for YOU, I don’t mind that.
            Quote: LaGlobal
            I remembered a quote from one Hollywood action movie: "DO NOT TURN FROM THE FAMILY, EVEN IF SHE TURNED FROM YOU" ...

            Oooooh my husband is dragging himself from this film, this FORCING, I’ve been dragging around with him for the last part twice ...
            Quote: LaGlobal
            So, let's not turn away from our friends and relatives!

            But sho I am in favor, do I turn away (do we turn away) ... we will teach them, sometimes scold them, but that’s because we love them fellow , they are not indifferent to us ... smile they just got in touch with a bad gopkompashka, not even make peace wink
            1. LaGlobal
              LaGlobal 20 September 2013 13: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: Natalia
              they just got in touch with a bad gopkompashka, not even make peace


              This gopkompashka - to disperse as soon as lousy hyenas!

              And would rather be reconciled. And as they say (refer to the political figures of Ukraine and its leadership): do not chase two rabbits, it is already known that you will not catch a single one, and do not sit on two chairs, because again, do not sit on one!

              Brothers - UKRAINIANS, YOU DO NOT NEED WESTERN!
              The power of Ukraine - the frayer's greed ruined ... Think about it.
              1. ksan
                ksan 20 September 2013 23: 35 New
                +1
                LaGlobal SU Today, 13:22 ↑

                Quote: Natalia
                they just got in touch with a bad gopkompashka, not even make peace


                This gopkompashka - to disperse as soon as lousy hyenas!
                If Russia behaves more actively on the "Ukrainian field" may well lead to elections in 2015 about the Russian president.
                Brothers - UKRAINIANS, YOU DO NOT NEED WESTERN!
                The power of Ukraine - the frayer's greed ruined ... Think about it.
                The authorities and the oligarchs have already integrated into Europe, and many of ordinary Ukrainians sincerely believe the propaganda that there is Paradise in the "West", and until they feel all the "charms" on themselves, they will not believe hi
          2. xan
            xan 20 September 2013 13: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: LaGlobal
            I remembered a quote from one Hollywood action movie: "DO NOT TURN FROM THE FAMILY, EVEN IF SHE TURNED FROM YOU" ...

            "If the whole world has turned its back on you, this does not mean that the whole world is right" (Nietzsche)
        2. edge
          edge 20 September 2013 11: 54 New
          +6
          they won’t go anywhere, they’re also nearby, near Russia
          the Baltic states are also there all their lives, however ..... the constitution must be revised, which was painted by the crusaders at the request of the drunkard
    5. edge
      edge 20 September 2013 11: 47 New
      -4
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people

      there are no brothers there, just as there are none in Bulgaria, in Serbia, in Slovenia, Slovakia ..... each for himself: and the weak is used to giving.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 20 September 2013 12: 11 New
        18
        Quote: hert
        there are no brothers there, as there are none of them, and in Serbia

        Well, okay .... about Serbia, my dad flew there on a business trip two years ago, he was a military man, he told me, he says: "You can't even imagine with what hope the Serbs look at the revival of Russia." The Serbs themselves say: "Yes, we got into this mess, we are forced to live by their rules, but we remember who bombed us, and at the first opportunity we are eager to get up from our knees ..." and, as Pope said, Serbs do not see themselves in Europe , as he says: "the attitude towards Serbs in European society as a fragment of the Russian-Soviet Empire, on which one can now recoup" ...
        ... that’s why you say so, the Serbs feel themselves to be Slavs, and they have high hopes for the growing role of Russia in the world arena.

        PS My dad is very angry with Clinton because he bombed Yugoslavia. Dad believes that we simply must avenge Yugoslavia ... as it will not matter, but the fact itself should be.
        1. xan
          xan 20 September 2013 13: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Natalia
          PS My dad is very angry with Clinton because he bombed Yugoslavia. Dad believes that we simply must avenge Yugoslavia ... as it will not matter, but the fact itself should be.

          Nothing, we have a good memory
        2. Current 72
          Current 72 21 September 2013 00: 38 New
          +2
          Nataliya ! How right is your Father !!!
    6. Rink
      Rink 20 September 2013 11: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people

      The people’s perspective is just hopeless, we have to admit.

      The whole point is in the emerging shit, which in our Ukraine is called the "elite" - politicians, businessmen, clerks. The corruption behind the scenes welcomed by the West has allowed all these bastards to steal capital. And since the stolen (so as not to be taken away) is intensively transferred to foreign accounts in the same West, it turns out that the West holds all Ukrainian oligarchs by the testicles in the strongest way.
      Ukrainian "politicians" have just as much freedom as the American ambassador gives them. And any of them will instantly lose everything - money, real estate, enterprises both in Ukraine and abroad - as soon as they show signs of disobedience.
      Ukraine is occupied, and the American ambassador acts as a gauler.

      Therefore, Ukraine is being dragged into the EU regardless of the opinion of the people and the fucking "elite".

      However, it is enough for the elite to do what they say - and a quiet old age is provided for them. Each of them has prepared for themselves spare airfields in Europe and not only. At the first signs of personal danger, they will run away from the "reed nenki" on their private planes, like our ex-chief prosecutor Piskun, to Nice to their villa.

      He also boasts that he lives well, and even the children at the local school did not retake exams, because In Kiev, they studied at a school that, although it does not meet the standards of the Ministry of Education of Ukraine, but is fully consistent with the European education program. There is such a school in Kiev, stuffed with children of people's deputies, after which it’s unrealistic to enter a Ukrainian university, because her certificate does not comply with Ukrainian education laws.

      Tell me, if they teach their children at school, after which they have no way in Ukraine - do Ukrainian neo-feudal lords associate the future of their children (and theirs too) with the country they are stealing? ..

      The situation is out! And the people are silent ...
      Even the Romanians figured out their Ceausescu, and the Ukrainians do not seem to mind becoming slaves.

      :(
      1. xan
        xan 20 September 2013 14: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Skating rink
        The situation is out! And the people are silent ...

        the people are still silent
        and let all sorts of dumps, rats always run from a sinking ship.
        They will not take their land with them
        Other people will come to power
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    7. ATATA
      ATATA 20 September 2013 12: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      I can only regret this prospect of the fraternal people

      I can only regret that you consider the Russians the fraternal people of the Russians.
      We are one people!
      How much can this be explained?
    8. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 21 September 2013 15: 47 New
      0
      Congratulations, it should be so, It’s just another blow missed by our elite, For too long they mumbled for a long time shaking with all kinds of pieces of paper, The one who wins quickly proves that it is beneficial to the elite, I have been pragmatic about all these gifts for a long time, Why regret, I also regret regretting Georgians Well, they will once again remind you by the power of arms of what all sorts of beautiful words are worth, It’s time to just accept today's realities, That they didn’t know that they were going there they knew perfectly, And don’t have to make snot here the other day, some politician of the Government of Ukraine will bother to persuade Putin don’t put pressure on the unfortunate Ukraine and help to economically hold out, And that it will be iron, the main money comes from here, it’s necessary to put a fog in, It’s a logical and beautiful gesture, I have always been struck by the fact that our authorities have close policies that are rare and the reason is not always clear on which they gathered and one more moment in recent years some promises began to sound often or something like this and you carefully read a damn thing except the words, they’re definitely eating a dog here. You don’t understand whether our friend or not, the words often sound the same,
  2. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 20 September 2013 08: 29 New
    +6
    The law is not written to fools .. winked
    1. edge
      edge 20 September 2013 11: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Fools law is not written.

      law for all, exceptions for myself ...........
    2. Val_y
      Val_y 20 September 2013 12: 29 New
      0
      ... if it is written it is not understood, if it is understood it is not so fool
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 20 September 2013 12: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      The law is not written to fools ..

      Friends are everything, enemies are the law!
      Franco.
    4. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB 20 September 2013 17: 48 New
      +1
      Handsome, drags people into the BLUE community of European peoples, and this gesture reminds me of someone, I do not envy the peoples of the border with such leaders (Fuhrer).
    5. Corsair
      Corsair 21 September 2013 10: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Valery Neon
      The law is not written to fools .. winked

      "Air kiss" Judah.
  3. svskor80
    svskor80 20 September 2013 08: 33 New
    16
    We will witness another big lie of the West for the realization of our own goals and interests. It seems that Ukraine needs sympathy, but I don’t feel like it, let them cones get stuffed. You look and grow wiser.
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 20 September 2013 09: 13 New
      +5
      In any case, the example of Ukraine will be a lesson to us, regardless of the result.
    2. z-exit
      z-exit 20 September 2013 10: 05 New
      0
      Quote: svskor80
      We will witness another big lie of the West for the realization of our own goals and interests. It seems that Ukraine needs sympathy, but I don’t feel like it, let them cones get stuffed. You look and grow wiser.

      I think so too. +1. All the same, this state of affairs in Ukraine cannot but be the result of the low cohesion of the Ukrainian people. Part of the "blame" for Yanukovych's coming to power lies with the Ukrainian people. You don't need to be gullible. No need to swallow lies. You need to get smart.
      It is clear that saying that Ukrainians need to grow wiser, I do not mean the true patriots of Ukraine, of whom there are especially many registered on this site.
      1. ksan
        ksan 20 September 2013 23: 47 New
        0
        I think so too. +1. All the same, this state of affairs in Ukraine cannot but be the result of the low cohesion of the Ukrainian people. Part of the "blame" for Yanukovych's coming to power lies with the Ukrainian people. You don't need to be gullible. No need to swallow lies. You need to get smart.
        Yanukovych actually won the elections under the slogan "for closer rapprochement with Russia" and not without Russia's help. Only then did he turn in his back seat.
    3. Kolya
      Kolya 20 September 2013 10: 15 New
      +1
      This does not look like an association, but like playing a chess game, and we are all declared Slavs to all Slavs.
    4. etrusk
      etrusk 20 September 2013 10: 41 New
      +5
      Very cynically said, so as not to say offensively. Do you understand that the lumps will be filled not by the European integrators from the authorities, but by ordinary people who do not want this integration?
    5. edge
      edge 20 September 2013 11: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: svskor80
      It seems that Ukraine needs sympathy, but I don’t feel like it, let them fill up the bumps. You look and grow wiser.

      In tsarist times they were stupid, in the days of the USSR they did not grow wiser where now .........
  4. domokl
    domokl 20 September 2013 08: 35 New
    16
    Put a plus. But ...
    What is the article about? That Ukraine will feel bad in the free trade zone? And who doesn’t know? That Ukrainian enterprises will die? And this is not a secret ... That Ukrainians are deceived? Oh well...
    I think Yanukovych does this, understanding perfectly. What will happen next. And the situation is like this.
    1 We entered and received cheap goods from Europe-Ur ... Only now the money from people quickly ran out
    2 Enterprises have risen due to the translation of standards and a lack of a sales market. Unemployment is growing.
    3 Ukrainians of a pro-Russian orientation begin to blame Russia for their troubles (and this we already see) and will vote not only against Yanukovych) he will sit in his own castle in London and catch crucians), but also against Russia.
    Which was required.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. etrusk
      etrusk 20 September 2013 10: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: domokl

      1 We entered and received cheap goods from Europe-Ur ... Only now the money from people quickly ran out
      2 Enterprises have risen due to the translation of standards and a lack of a sales market. Unemployment is growing.
      3 Ukrainians of a pro-Russian orientation begin to blame Russia for their troubles (and this we already see) and will vote not only against Yanukovych) he will sit in his own castle in London and catch crucians), but also against Russia.
      Which was required.


      And how are 1-2 connected with 3 points? In my opinion, the relationship is the opposite. After the first two points, on the contrary, there is a reversal of doubting ordinary citizens of Ukraine towards Russia. Because Russia is the only country that honestly stated what the signing of the agreement with the EU will lead to.
      But for this, it would not hurt Russia’s participation in the activation of pro-Russian forces in Ukraine, propaganda of entry into the CU and further integration in the post-Soviet space.
    3. Gornfreed
      Gornfreed 20 September 2013 11: 58 New
      10
      Everything is harmonious and most likely it will be so. But not for the reason that normal people will turn their backs on Russia. And for the reason that the country will be bound by international obligations and debts ... The people in Ukraine are not much different from the Russian people ... Unfortunately, there are no more thinking people either. The information space is not on our side and people think as they are allowed to think. We have practically a "unipolar world" here. Pro-Russian leaders (to be honest) are almost absent, although there is a lot of waiting for their electorate. And here it is already possible to start a dispute - who did not support the situation in time? It just doesn't seem to make sense.
      1. sellrub
        sellrub 20 September 2013 12: 02 New
        +5
        I agree with your opinion and your anxiety. Trouble knocks on the door of both Ukraine and Russia. If an association agreement is signed, this will be the beginning of the collapse of Russia. I’m not saying that this will be the beginning of the collapse of the statehood of Ukraine itself.
      2. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 21 September 2013 08: 29 New
        +1
        the pros and cons will come first when the hangover comes, but without a severe headache it usually doesn’t come, it’ll be a little late, the economy is destroyed, politics are more and more BLOCKED and the ways of return are destroyed, for some reason I see just such a future, an example of freedom-loving Baltic republics, living only a haven to Russia. I am very sorry, but the EU has not helped any of the new members, it has only ruined the national economies.
    4. edge
      edge 20 September 2013 12: 03 New
      -1
      Quote: domokl
      Pro-Russian Ukrainians begin to blame Russia for their troubles

      Well, it's like zazadrasi, as far as I can remember, the Muscovites are always to blame for everything ... or are they to blame ....... and you call this bunch of fraternal people?
      1. Rink
        Rink 20 September 2013 12: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: hert
        Well, it's like zazadrasi, as far as I can remember, the Muscovites are always to blame for everything ... or are they to blame ....... and you call this bunch of fraternal people?

        You are not the one who is smart, but even quite the opposite.
        And your words prove it with all regrettable evidence ..
        1. xan
          xan 20 September 2013 14: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Skating rink
          Quote: hert
          Well, it's like zazadrasi, as far as I can remember, the Muscovites are always to blame for everything ... or are they to blame ....... and you call this bunch of fraternal people?

          You are not the one who is smart, but even quite the opposite.
          And your words prove it with all regrettable evidence ..

          smart ones are those who blame Russia for everything, so what?
          Ukrainians need to be treated like unconscious children, so what?
    5. ksan
      ksan 20 September 2013 23: 56 New
      0
      domokl RU Today, 08:35 AM

      Put a plus. But ...
      What is the article about? That Ukraine will feel bad in the free trade zone? And who doesn’t know? That Ukrainian enterprises will die? And this is not a secret ... That Ukrainians are deceived? Oh well...
      I think Yanukovych does this, understanding perfectly. What will happen next. And the situation is like this.
      1 We entered and received cheap goods from Europe-Ur ... Only now the money from people quickly ran out
      2 Enterprises have risen due to the translation of standards and a lack of a sales market. Unemployment is growing.
      3 Ukrainians of a pro-Russian orientation begin to blame Russia for their troubles (and this we already see) and will vote not only against Yanukovych) he will sit in his own castle in London and catch crucians), but also against Russia.
      Which is required
      I do not agree that 1 follows from paragraphs 2 and 3 hi If Russia will conduct a competent policy, propaganda of the advantages of the CU, stick out all the disadvantages of the FTA with the EU for Ukraine, support for Russian forces in Ukraine, then the situation can be reversed for the next election. hi
  5. kush62
    kush62 20 September 2013 08: 35 New
    +8
    We must learn from the mistakes of others, Ukraine decided to see on their own.
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 20 September 2013 08: 44 New
    15
    from the Don.
    : Congratulations: brotherly people with a historic choice! Janek is a monument during his lifetime, with the Washington Regional Committee honoring the Doc! And we need to prepare simplified laws on the reception of compatriots. You give an increase in the population of Russia !!!
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 20 September 2013 09: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      : Congratulations: brotherly people with a historic choice! Janek is a monument during his lifetime, with the Washington Regional Committee honoring the Doc! And we need to prepare simplified laws on the reception of compatriots. You give an increase in the population of Russia !!!

      It is better to pick up native Russian lands. Including Kiev and Crimea. And let the priodno-Ukrainian Naziolists priests vaseline, they will need them soon.
      1. Ulysses
        Ulysses 20 September 2013 09: 15 New
        +2
        Hand out, do not collect however.
        The process is long, I would like to see its results in my lifetime.
  7. a52333
    a52333 20 September 2013 08: 46 New
    +2
    Communist Party initiates a referendum (on accession of the CU / EU) is a chance. Then it will be more expensive and harder to get out of shit.
  8. Strashila
    Strashila 20 September 2013 08: 54 New
    11
    And who said that even enterprises standardized by the EU will be allowed to trade there ... not for that they would accept that they bring their goods to Europe, but rather that Ukraine open its market ... receive.
  9. Sega
    Sega 20 September 2013 08: 55 New
    13
    Sad picture. Moreover, the border (Ukraine - Russia) will be closed, and it will be "pleasant" for relatives to issue invitations and visas. I can't even imagine. How will I travel to close relatives on a visa. You need to do this all in advance, coordinate the trip (vacation) with the employer, etc. This is a complete akhtung. Someone's brains don't work at all. Is it not for the sake of money that you can put the people down? I generally keep quiet about conscience.
    Hold on to the brothers Ukrainians. My condolences. Get a second citizenship (it will be easier to move). Well, and if anything, Russia is big, there is enough room for everyone.
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 20 September 2013 13: 01 New
      +5
      In Ukraine, few will remain. Everyone has already gathered to go to Europe to stir up business.
  10. ksandr45
    ksandr45 20 September 2013 08: 57 New
    +9
    Good day to all hi
    Regarding the re-election of Yanukovych, I think this is the last term for him. He did what he wanted, and perhaps what he was paid for. Most likely there will be new faces and slogans in the next elections, but only the goals will remain old. At least I don’t think that something will change, but I really want to.
    1. HAM
      HAM 20 September 2013 09: 16 New
      +6
      I hope that the "term" for Yanukovych will not be the last. There is a lot of space near Yulka.
  11. Denga
    Denga 20 September 2013 08: 58 New
    +9
    Since the money of the Ukrainian political elite is in European and American banks, it has never been and never will be pro-Russian. To change the situation in Ukraine, laws must be adopted as in the Russian Federation, on the need for officials to transfer their money from Western accounts to national banks, as well as on the prohibition of owning property abroad. I think this will be a big step towards improving the political situation in Ukraine. Although I doubt that someone would transfer money, for example, from a Swiss bank to Ukrainian.
  12. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 September 2013 09: 02 New
    12
    Russia did not see any special friendship from Yanukovych ... In short, they threw everyone and rushed to the West. It is a pity the people who believed him before the election.
  13. major071
    major071 20 September 2013 09: 09 New
    15
    Bird can be seen by litter ...
    Nothing more to say.
  14. morpogr
    morpogr 20 September 2013 09: 09 New
    +9
    It seems that one has to prepare for the arrival of the brothers in search of work and the desire to stay and not return to Ukraine devastated by Europe and European concerns. A lesson from the Baltic countries where there is no longer their production, the destruction of Bulgaria where you can’t even grow bell pepper, planting it in a debt hole in Greece, which is also a good place for loans they gave it, and then just put it on the counter, it is not an example for Ukraine. It is regrettable but it is their choice. We wish them faster insights before they lose their country.
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 20 September 2013 09: 13 New
      -1
      Russia is not a mother and a garbage pit. This is not about work and arrival visas. Here we are talking about the civil war. Quiet, peaceful, partisan.
  15. Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 20 September 2013 09: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: borisjdin1957
    And we need to prepare simplified laws on the reception of compatriots. You give an increase in the population of Russia !!!

    I am glad to see Ukrainians, like Belarusians, as compatriots. There are no comrades from Middle Asia.
  16. alan_07
    alan_07 20 September 2013 09: 18 New
    +2
    Already tired of these leaders of Ukraine, they do not need people just to fill their pockets. Wherever you look, they stick their weapons, and Saakashvili is his "dear brother." They are lucky that Mr. Putin treats like a brotherly people, because he can take something seriously by the gills. Especially after South Ossetia.
    1. imrek_ua
      imrek_ua 20 September 2013 09: 47 New
      +7
      "These leaders of Ukraine are already fed up."
      And how tired they are to us, you would only know ...
  17. vvvvv
    vvvvv 20 September 2013 09: 24 New
    +4
    All Western elites have one feature - they are proxies of the United States and act not in the national interests and interests of their peoples, but in the geopolitical interests of the United States. In order to annoy Russia, through the sold-out elites, damage can be inflicted on the peoples of these elites, up to and including being drawn into a war. But, fools are needed to use them, and "Judas" is also involved here. Here, the example of Georgia is typical, and the example of the Baltic countries, as well as examples of service for US citizenship, their deaths and survivors - the path to American homelessness. All the "oppositions" like the Syrian are still dying for the ideals of fighting the "dictators" or for the successfully invented ideas of the world caliphates - slipped to the Islamists ... ...
    1. edge
      edge 20 September 2013 12: 16 New
      +1
      as the Britons said after the collapse of the USSR, thank God that they have so many traitors ....
  18. eplewke
    eplewke 20 September 2013 09: 28 New
    +3
    Ukraine to NATO ??? I think it will be a difficult question for the population .... It smells like a putsch ...
    1. a52333
      a52333 20 September 2013 10: 18 New
      +6
      three to five years of media work - any opinion can be broken.
  19. winkiller
    winkiller 20 September 2013 09: 28 New
    +7
    Well, we are waiting for the growth of unemployment, non-payment of pensions and the closure of Russian gas.
  20. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 20 September 2013 09: 31 New
    +5
    And I have relatives in the Odessa region, the next summer I was going on vacation to them. You see, you have to communicate via Skype (((((((
  21. wulf66
    wulf66 20 September 2013 09: 31 New
    15
    My condolences to the inhabitants of eastern Ukraine. Everywhere where the Vatican reached for the Slavs, we had and will have problems.
  22. darksoul
    darksoul 20 September 2013 09: 32 New
    +9
    Brotherly people, and puppeteers with western firmware. Ukraine made a choice ...... congratulations .... with what fright immediately after this choice do the Eurogays throw us with angry letters about Russia imposing protective sanctions against Ukraine? A hundred times already explained .... Because gladiolus, because it is necessary and go to the forest !!!!
  23. pa_nik
    pa_nik 20 September 2013 09: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Kibalchish
    The duck limped ... it's time to let her in for soup.


    That is yes. Well-known chefs in the West wink

    Quote: Ulysses
    In any case, the example of Ukraine will be a lesson to us.


    I would say that we have enough of our teacher lessons.

    Quote: borisjdin1957
    And we need to prepare simplified laws on the reception of compatriots.


    This is the case! I am for"!! good

    Quote: PROXOR
    .And let the priodnukrainskie Nazianolists priests vaseline, they will need them soon.


    What do you mean? repeat
  24. nirab
    nirab 20 September 2013 09: 50 New
    +1
    It's time to let this country go free swimming and forget ... How much can ... This is their choice. Here are just claims and groans that we are brothers - not to accept ... Died, so died!
    1. edge
      edge 20 September 2013 12: 20 New
      0
      Quote: nirab
      groans that we are brothers - not to accept ... Died, so died

      I agree, I’ll also throw off a birch cross with a German helmet.
  25. user
    user 20 September 2013 09: 55 New
    +2
    First Gorbachev, now Yanukovych. I wonder how it all ends.
  26. Sochi
    Sochi 20 September 2013 10: 16 New
    -1
    There is such a thing, it is inappropriately to blame everything on Yanukovych, the Ukrainians did NOTHING to drive him out, that is, he CUTS them. This is their choice, they will answer for him and reap the fruits of their decision. And now, as they say: the problems of the Indians (Ukraine) of the sheriff (Russia) do not care.
  27. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 20 September 2013 10: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Valery Neon
    The law is not written to fools .. winked

    Horses are finicky ....
  28. serge
    serge 20 September 2013 10: 23 New
    +6
    Yanukovych is an American agent. In pure form. He came to power on outright lies. In the fight with another American agent - Yushchenko. On the way, the third American agent - the Zionist Klitschko. It’s time for the people in Ukraine to have at least a little intelligence.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 20 September 2013 10: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: serge
      It’s time for the people in Ukraine to have at least a little intelligence.
      If. It seems that, stuck with pink dreams of European freebies, he lost his last brains. Why, "the last effort is left, now we'll push Moscow away - paradise will come ..." fellow
      1. El13
        El13 20 September 2013 17: 56 New
        +1
        Today at http://contrpost.com/en/ I read a fresh article and suddenly an epiphany came that Russia had decided not to interfere with Ukraine's withdrawal so that, having grabbed "happiness" in full, she would return by herself. Apparently, it is necessary to go through this stage of our life in order to reunite, apparently, otherwise the union will not be so strong. Very risky. But Kyrgyzstan has passed it, Georgia is passing, apparently, it is Ukraine's turn.
  29. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 20 September 2013 10: 23 New
    +2
    Is there an analysis of the prospects for the development of the Ukrainian economy, growth dynamics of the welfare of ordinary people in connection with the country's entry into the free trade zone with the European Union? Moreover, these analyzes should be carried out by independent experts. I’m trying to find similar work in the media. But alas - all around one euphoria and dreams of a "bright future" in the European Union. Serious, non-biased researchers (even in Ukraine) argue that great shocks await the country's economy. But the current champions of European integration already has its own ageless "argument" - Russia is to blame for everything. It is a pity that ordinary people of Ukraine will have to endure all these troubles.
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 20 September 2013 12: 15 New
      0
      Ivanovich, this is the same chess combination as the destruction of chemical weapons in Syria.
  30. Djozz
    Djozz 20 September 2013 10: 33 New
    0
    Tell me, on what article did this gopnik sit?
  31. Glory333
    Glory333 20 September 2013 10: 36 New
    +4
    Let me remind you that Mr. Yanukovych conducted the election campaign under the slogans of rapprochement with Russia, today it turns out that he simply lied to the people.
  32. Max
    Max 20 September 2013 10: 47 New
    -6
    By the way, most experts are inclined to believe that Russia itself will benefit the euro from Ukraine’s integration. Because millions of Russians will come to us and see what we need to strive for, sort out the best.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 20 September 2013 10: 56 New
      +5
      We have a titmouse up your sleeve, and you have a crane in the sky.
      And who said that they live poorly in Russia? Uncle on TV?
      By the time you reach the level of Poland,
      we will have the level of Germany.
      So the question is who will go to whom ...
      Nothing will change, only the sediment from betrayal will remain.
      1. Max
        Max 20 September 2013 11: 10 New
        -9
        I was in Russia and was in Europe. The difference is stunning ... Regarding order, compliance with laws, roads, comfort and quality of life .. ecology in the end. Not to mention the culture of people, which is seen in every little thing .. In truth, it’s already scary to become a gap between us and them. By the way, here is a rather interesting article to broaden your horizons: http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130920/213142566.html
        1. NORILCHANIN
          NORILCHANIN 20 September 2013 11: 38 New
          +1
          Ehai to live in EUROPE, what we have settled in RUSSIA, you are EXPECTING TO --- L. On the territory of RUSSIA your MATUS
          How much does a euro-ass fit?
          1. edge
            edge 20 September 2013 12: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: NORILCHAN
            Ehai in EUROPEAN live what we have settled in RUSSIA-WAITING

            how many canvasses of the Volga Germans spit on the onset of European reality ......
        2. ing
          ing 20 September 2013 12: 44 New
          +4
          Europe can be compared with Russia only relatively, if Moscow or other large cities (in the city center) then the difference is small and Europe is different, take Romania or Bulgaria, you were recently in the Netherlands, it’s worth moving away from the center and you’ll find better than ours
        3. artem772
          artem772 20 September 2013 13: 04 New
          -9
          Quote: max
          I was in Russia and was in Europe. The difference is stunning ..

          Who are you explaining to here? wink Opponents of European integration remind me of the mossy bearded men in Russia of the times of Peter I, who also resisted. wink
        4. Gecko
          Gecko 20 September 2013 14: 01 New
          +3
          I compare Russia and Ukraine.
          For 22 years we have made some progress after the devastation,
          and you have a degradation.
          Do not compare Europe and Russia,
          countries of Western Europe since 1945 have not seen shocks.
          There is nothing to build together
          and acting like a corrupt girl
          I saw the sparkles and ran.
          I do not understand what you are doing on this forum?
          Want to convince us that we are flawed?
          Go to the European forums
          trynd there about how you will feel good together.
        5. Sevastopol
          Sevastopol 20 September 2013 15: 37 New
          +7
          I live in Ukraine and visit Russia (Peter, Samara). The difference is not stunning, but significant. 110 bucks a pension in Ukraine, this is not funny, actually.
          Well, no need to say anything. Since in Europe, Ukraine will never be under any circumstances. It is simply disadvantageous to Europe itself. So do not hang noodles on your ears.
        6. wax
          wax 20 September 2013 16: 52 New
          +2
          max
          I didn’t even envy you out of jealousy: the other day, enter and order will immediately come to Ukraine, learn how to comply with the law, build roads for you, improve the quality of life, improve the environment, eventually - shale, gas-independent from the Russian Federation. And this is not all - because so many wonderful discoveries are being prepared by the spirit of Western enlightenment, the throat is already spiraling in the gut.
      2. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 20 September 2013 16: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: gecko
        Uncle on TV?

        what for? Uncle on Severstal, who fell under reduction.
        Cut back wherever possible and impossible. Cut in tens and hundreds.
        And Severstal is the nurse of the Vologda region.
    2. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 20 September 2013 15: 39 New
      +1
      What to strive for? Moreover, is corruption so common in Ukraine that no one even discusses it? Moreover, the salary on average in the country is 250 bucks, and the pension is 120? Oh well. Go drink Christmas trees, trollin.
    3. Garrin
      Garrin 20 September 2013 17: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: max
      By the way, most experts are inclined to believe that Russia itself will benefit the euro from Ukraine’s integration.

      I would also like to know from whom these experts get paid?
  33. tchack
    tchack 20 September 2013 10: 48 New
    +3
    Sorry for the Ukrainian people ...

    Over the past 20 years, Ukrainians have experienced so many difficult moments that they can not be envied. And now there are problems again. And just before winter. In November they will make a decision on European integration, Russia will immediately follow a symmetrical answer - an increase in gas prices; it will emerge that Ukraine has not paid for the supplied gas and, accordingly, the supply will cease; cancellation of certificates ST-1 and the need to pay fees; the need for visas, etc.

    And all this will affect not the Ukrainian president and officials, but ordinary people.

    For what makes Yanukovych it must be hung !!!
  34. Rusal
    Rusal 20 September 2013 10: 53 New
    +3
    Yanukovych seems to have just made a deal so as not to be on the bunk after the election.
  35. The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 20 September 2013 10: 53 New
    +8
    Quote: z-exit
    Part of the "blame" for Yanukovych's coming to power lies with the Ukrainian people. You don't need to be gullible. No need to swallow lies. You need to get smart.
    - yeah, it’s so easy for you to talk about this without being a resident of Ukraine! And what did we, the citizens of this unfortunate country have, when in the presidential election we had to choose between Yanukovych and Tymoshenko - at which the dollar almost doubled in price, at which prices jumped up, unemployment increased, which prohibited the Russian language in schools, and did not hide our nationalist mood? We had a choice between greater evil and lesser, which is why people chose Yanukovych. Although in reality the country has long had no choice ...
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 20 September 2013 10: 56 New
      +7
      Quote: Injun Joe
      when in the presidential election we had to choose between Yanukovych and Tymoshenko

      Not only that, in the absence of the "against all" column and the lower turnout threshold. And there is probably no need to explain HOW the votes are counted?

      In Simferopol, the day before yesterday on Kirov Ave., there was a hefty rally against association with the EU, has it been mentioned at least the WORD? Though there is something? Even in the local media on this topic silence is complete ... request
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 20 September 2013 17: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        In Simferopol, the day before yesterday, on Kirov Ave., there was a hefty rally against association with the EU, is this AT LEAST a WORD? At least somewhere? Even in the local media on this subject, silence is complete ... request

        Thanks for the information. hi
    2. edge
      edge 20 September 2013 12: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Injun Joe
      Although in reality the country has long had no choice ..

      there is always a choice, you just have to make it ......, but there are many ways. The only action that can be seen is, lazy as it is .... don't bother anyone.
    3. official
      official 20 September 2013 23: 11 New
      +1
      Remember the anecdote before the 2010 elections: If we choose Tymoshenko, it will be scary, if we choose Yanukovych, it will be a shame .... There was a "good" choice !!!
  36. Estray_
    Estray_ 20 September 2013 10: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Djozz
    Tell me, on what article did this gopnik sit?

    for gop he sat, he loved winter hats)))
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 20 September 2013 10: 59 New
      +1
      You can see the owl on the flight! Russian last Narcissistic and limited like a turkey. Hairstyle, like our Kasyanov’s, and the same manners.
  37. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 20 September 2013 10: 56 New
    -1
    Good riddance. Pretty soon, we will no longer distinguish between the news from the Baltic states and Ukraine - Russophobes will be everywhere under the flags of the SS legions and tridents. So gentlemen, we are waiting.
    1. Gornfreed
      Gornfreed 20 September 2013 11: 48 New
      +7
      It's hard to become a Russophobe if you were born before 1991. I was born before. And I feel sorry for Ukraine as my country and as a part of my Motherland. The pro-Russian "leaders" of Ukraine are hardly noticeable and are not supported by the shoulder of Russia, then there is little hope for the adequacy of the decisions of the authorities. I only hope that the place in which Ukraine will be dipped in the near future will wake the people up. And if not, then the Russian population will begin to grow from the Ukrainian emigration.
      1. DuraLexSedLex.
        DuraLexSedLex. 20 September 2013 12: 00 New
        +2
        Well, let it grow like that) We do not mind.
  38. Jarilo
    Jarilo 20 September 2013 11: 05 New
    +2
    Yanukovych - a lame duck? In my opinion decoy.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 20 September 2013 11: 09 New
      0
      Apparently in the bullpen "universities" passed, and got the hang of it.
  39. keddr
    keddr 20 September 2013 11: 07 New
    +1
    Yes.,. now you can talk, talk, but "Okrainu" is stale ... Presidents are changing. Where is Yushchenko now and who remembers him with a kind word? And the people who have lost faith in the people. And not "gnomes" your bones, and Russia.
    And this is the result of Russian politics. Little people came to power, the Great Country collapsed.
  40. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 20 September 2013 11: 09 New
    0
    Everything is described in sufficient detail.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp8deMlVHZc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3UG96Ny59Y
  41. true love
    true love 20 September 2013 11: 16 New
    +1
    A very difficult situation is unfolding for Putin ... Ukraine cannot be lost ... but it is not possible to leave ... What should I do? Maybe all the hype around Syria was just a diversion of attention? It also doesn’t seem to be ... Anglo-Saxons are strong, you cannot say anything. In the long run, they are still replaying their acting methods. What will Moscow answer?
    1. Cosmos-1869
      Cosmos-1869 20 September 2013 12: 21 New
      +4
      Putin’s silence on this issue also surprises me. How effective and quick a solution was found in Syria, how incomprehensible is the inactivity on the issue of Ukraine (the customs war does not count).
      In fact, the last days remain before serious decisions are made. If in November Yanukovych signs something in Vilnius (no matter what), turning back will be even more difficult than now (the country is full of idiots who believe in the legality of some decisions and other things, the 1991 referendum is a clear indicator of this).
      I hope that Putin has "an offer that cannot be refused" up his sleeve. Now is the time to use it.
      You won't be able to persuade Yanukovych, you won't be able to persuade him, he has a convict mentality and the more you press on him, the more he resists. Any Union with Russia is not beneficial to him - he himself will become a secondary prince, and his son will lose all his businesses. Europe will turn a blind eye to this for the sake of an anti-Russian foothold. Therefore, there will be no "soft decisions". I hope Putin understands this and is not just silent. Waiting for effective action by Putin.
      1. Sevastopol
        Sevastopol 20 September 2013 15: 26 New
        0
        I agree. Just not silence - but actions are needed in relation to Ukraine. Tough, fast and efficient.
        1. In the book
          In the book 20 September 2013 16: 49 New
          0
          It’s very interesting for me to know: what kind of "actions" would you like to see?
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 20 September 2013 17: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Sevastopolets
          I agree. Just not silence - but actions are needed in relation to Ukraine. Tough, fast and efficient.


          Well, this will only play into the hands of the Svidomo. What is their main argument? Imperial Russia is once again trying to enslave the next one. This is Putin and does not give them a chance to raise another howl. Here is his statement at the Valdai Forum.
          "Today Ukraine is an independent state and we treat it with respect. And, of course, the choice of priorities, the choice of allies is the national sovereign right of the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian leadership."


          Come on, guys, do you think you got into a fairy tale? Only this is not Andersen's fairy tale in "happy Denmark" but a native Russian with a stone at the crossroads - where you can't go everywhere .. you rake.
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 20 September 2013 17: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Cosmos-1869
        Any Union with Russia is not beneficial to him - he himself will become a minor prince, and his son will lose all his businesses.

        You would think that now he is the prince of paramount importance. Just as he was a snivel in life, he remained an Akhmetian snider. And the rest I agree.
      3. El13
        El13 20 September 2013 18: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Cosmos-1869
        Putin’s silence on this issue also surprises me.

        He was not silent, he said that this choice is the choice of the people of Ukraine. I think there will be almost complete inaction before signing, and then all that was promised. They will give me a sip of the full program, apparently, such is the strategy plan, if you think for decades, it may be beneficial, but it is very risky, because there is a chance to lose Ukraine completely. But if it works, then the union will be stronger than what it may be now.
        1. Glory333
          Glory333 20 September 2013 23: 23 New
          +1
          Where is the people’s choice? Nobody asks the people, the Communists tried to organize a referendum - they banned them in the courts, the authorities are afraid to learn the opinion of the people.
      4. Michael_59
        Michael_59 20 September 2013 22: 49 New
        0
        I gave you a "plus" as a whole for an adequate post, but in one thing you are wrong - this is not a customs war, all the problems that have arisen now at the border, at customs were previously outlined 1-3 years ago, clearly and clearly, including by Russian officials It's just that the current Ukrainian government, once again crap, is unable to admit its mistake or deliberate "mess", of course, does not give an adequate assessment of its sabotage actions in relation to the economy and the people, exposing the extreme RF.
  42. NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 20 September 2013 11: 27 New
    +2
    The brotherhood ended before it began! Let them live as they want but hope for
    reunification is not necessary. In the north there have always been more immigrants from Ukraine than Russians. There is a good saying: Ukrainians live in Ukraine and there
    WHERE THEY ARE BETTER. According to this saying, OB in RUSSIA is enough for both the authorities and the common people. My personal opinion is that the GDP in vain trusts the power to immigrants from Ukraine i.e.AM. This is the fifth column and potential traitors and lizuns.
  43. neon2003
    neon2003 20 September 2013 11: 49 New
    +1
    and yet, there is some hunch that after the FTZ zone with Europe Ukraine will begin to split into 2 zones ... I hope I'm mistaken ...
  44. NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 20 September 2013 11: 53 New
    +1
    Gentlemen, the Ukrainian people IS IS SVD-7,62 for 53 which is hesitating and waiting!
  45. MG42
    MG42 20 September 2013 12: 01 New
    +7
    "Duck" named Yanukovych limped?

    Wow. Today there are so many topics about Ukraine, I don’t directly know where to start .. fellow

    Let's start with Yanukovych ... In general, a "lame duck" in the language of the Americans in the political plane, the president who must leave when the new president is elected, Yanukovych is still 2 years old until the moment when he is replaced by Klitschko for example >>
    An excellent clip about Yanukovych is in harmony with the song >>
  46. Alligator_S
    Alligator_S 20 September 2013 12: 03 New
    +7
    Judas Yanukovych wants to break the rating drop record set by Yushchenko. Indeed, in western Ukraine he will not be accepted anyway, and in eastern Ukraine they will consider him a traitor. Gorbachev ver2.0
    1. MG42
      MG42 20 September 2013 12: 29 New
      +4
      What he is counting on is unclear >> earlier there were versions that he was preparing to transfer power to his son through presidential elections in parliament by changing the Constitution through the controlled Constitutional Court, but this version disappears because then it will contradict European values ​​in the European vector.
      It’s obvious to get a bigger one or have already replenished your bins so much, but you won’t take Mizhhirya with you ..
    2. MG42
      MG42 20 September 2013 12: 38 New
      +3
      But how his estate with an area of ​​140 hectares looks like from a helicopter was filmed by journalists >>
  47. edge
    edge 20 September 2013 12: 11 New
    +5
    Quote: morpogr
    It’s unfortunate, but it’s their choice. We wish them faster insights before they lose their country.

    They have already lost their country, they just temporarily live in the Polish-Turkish-Romanian territories. I wash my hands with soap hi
  48. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 20 September 2013 12: 15 New
    +2
    Another historical spiral for Ukraine ... to find out the future ... I probably need to take a closer look at the past ... and in the future I know ahead a very cold winter without Russian gas in the right volumes ... Forward, Ukrainian citizens to Europe!
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 20 September 2013 12: 45 New
      0
      http://regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/ukraina/1709112.html
  49. ROA
    ROA 20 September 2013 12: 25 New
    +3
    Yanukovych is the same Yushchenko, but unlike him, govopovy and vile.
  50. chushoj
    chushoj 20 September 2013 12: 48 New
    +1
    Europe is crazy about such a movement of Yanukovych, and now does not know what to do with Ukraine.