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Bitter victory of Sergei Sobyanin

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Formally, Sergei Sobyanin, gaining 51,37% of the vote, was elected mayor of Moscow with a big advantage, left A.Navalny (27,24%) who took second place far behind, but the quality of his victory has a very bitter aftertaste. Until the second round with Navalny, and the orange orgy in Moscow, only 1,37% remained ...


Our belolentochnaya (or orange, according to the Ukrainian classification) opposition protests by inertia, and does not recognize the results of the vote, but grins at the corners, realizing that it received a serious result as a gift for arrogance and rudeness.

Observers say that Navalny’s success is a consequence of the shortcomings of the Sobyanin headquarters, and the chosen strategy of playing up the radical opposition, bringing it to a vote in order to show its real weight in society, and demonstrate the most fair elections.

Probably, this is the case: they started to play, and they outplayed themselves. We trusted in sociological surveys, not understanding with what, and with whom they are dealing.
The very idea of ​​“bringing to a vote” had a rational grain, but the methods of its implementation were completely unsuitable: you can’t do it with an end in itself, go for it in the wake of a cad: it’s also a discredit of elections, just different! And you will never prove anything to either the boor or his masters, because for them you are obviously not honest, what they have said more than once, and repeated once again after the elections.

A new nonsense in this series: Sobyanin agreed to meet with Navalny - this means that Sobyanin headquarters, and he himself, are still in captivity of their good deeds, and continue to give Navalny gifts. What for? - after all, the elections have already passed ... What can you talk with your robber, who did not succeed this time: so that next time he doesn’t rob much, and it doesn't hurt?

Showing ostensibly their nobility, in fact, Sobyanin's strategists “throw beads in front of pigs”, apparently not knowing this biblical parable, for then “pigs turn” against them. They give Navalny a reason to continue blackmail, which he will definitely take advantage of. Not to mention that they can make him, an obvious demagogue, a political biography. This is a very big service.

Nevertheless, the past elections have shown a large stock of anti-orange strength of society, which, of course, has increased the preparation of the US Syrian aggression. Sometimes the West helps us in such an amazing way. This respite should be used, and figure out: what explains the success of Navalny? What explains the success of the Orange Revolutions, although everyone understands their true goals and driving forces?

There is a good proverb that “the courage of the city takes,” and in politics they sometimes take impudence with the so-called “charismatic personalities”. And even entire countries in times of crisis, war, or other instability — in due time Kerensky took Russia “for the summer and autumn” of the 1917 year, and Yeltsin for the 90-s, Yushchenko - Ukraine for the presidential term. To Navalny, she ensured tactical success in the past elections.

The audacity of the leaders, the creation of mass psychosis is the emotional background of all the "democratic campaigns" of demagogues, and the orange revolutions are the campaigns of demagogues. In general, the original meaning of "democracy" in Antiquity was demagogic, democracy was the power of demagogues (demagogue is the leading people, ancient Greek), but soon they so compromised themselves that their democracy became a dirty word (ohlos, crowd power) for all prominent philosophers, and "demagogue" was filled with a negative meaning.

The fact that today with admiration Aristotle called “ancient democracy” called “polity”, it contained only limited elements of democracy, but you can’t read about it in the manuals “on the development of democracy”.

In the era of the Enlightenment, the encyclopaedists revived “democracy” in the most superficial form, and filled it with a positive sense of the “power of the people” as opposed to the monarchies of Europe, keeping silent about its destructive elemental beginnings. You should be aware of this in order to understand where the energy of the element of “popular protest” comes from. This is serious weapon for the overthrow of not only monarchies, but of any regime, as evidenced today by the Orange Revolutions.

There is a well-known five-step Orange Revolution strategy for the notorious Professor Gene Sharp, but for it you must first prepare the appropriate ground. This is the foundation of the revolution, its orange foundation is created by the network technology, on which commercial network companies like Amway, Oriflame and others work.

Get to know how any network company works - and you will see that the political company Navalny works in the same way. Network technology is simple, and therefore it “works” in the most unfavorable conditions both in the commercial and political markets, under conditions of criticism from the “regime”. Because it is designed for simple instincts and emotions of people, especially young, not burdened with everyday experience.

A network company is a network that works for a certain product with the purpose of selling it to the public and receiving its members for it their dividends. In this case, such a product is Navalny, representing the best American democracy in the world. This is an American technology that works on a very simple ideology: we are the best! USA is the best democracy! Obama is the best president! Navalny is the best politician! (in Russia). From here, the only, in essence, argument is put up to vote for Navalny: he is simply the best! Therefore, he does not need any program! On the one hand, it is a kindergarten, on the other, not only Navalny, but also Obama works according to this scheme!

"You deserve a better life!" (as in the West) - this is the main slogan of Navalny to his flock, noting all political and economic logic, history countries, including recent, and generally common sense. Flatter the ego of man, and turn off his mind. Instead, slip the enemies that prevent him from getting the desired product, which is why everyone is dishonest and mired in corruption. Whoever does not believe in this myth is also an enemy. Experts also call it sectarian logic, which does not tolerate critical objections and doubts that it is right.

Let's say more: Western political life, and therefore the world, is also being built today according to the network principle: “Obama”, “Cameron” and so on - these are also, in fact, network companies selling relevant political products, and they operate according to commercial principles achieving success, and woe to competitors who do not understand this, taking for some "power of the people" ...

Some call it, and not without reason, this is a real American ideology, or a national idea, only covered by “human rights”. Therefore, the United States is so important not to drop the image: Obama, his democracy, etc. Otherwise their worldview will collapse! It is better to bomb Syria, but anyone, and no evidence is important.

These political speculations, unfortunately, are not stupid, but business is stupid, “business is in the cold”, one might say. And it is impossible to prohibit it under “democracy”, for it is its basis. He is successful, and will have it tomorrow, because it plays on the instincts not of the people, but of the crowd. The “market democracy” lies about the “people”: the people can be both great and small, and still can be “sharp iron”, said historian N.M. Karamzin.

Chekhov exclaimed a connoisseur of the human soul: “How people willingly deceive themselves, how they love prophets, broadcasters, what a herd is ... 1000 stupid rely on one intelligent, 1000 stupid rely on one clever word, and this thousand drowns out!” makes people a common faith, tradition, history, and today they are in much worse condition than in the days of Chekhov. And in the place of the people there is a crowd that is so easy to deceive demagogues, especially with the help of the media ...

The victory of S. Sobyanin was ensured, of course, by the overall stable situation in the country, that in Russia, strong, enjoying the confidence of the people, President V. Putin. Otherwise, these elections would have a chance to win Bulk, and then inevitably followed by destabilization of the country according to the 90 type. Therefore, Navalny and his sponsors want so much to remove V.Putin in order to clear the way for bulk.

We need to keep in mind that it is impossible to tame bulk: no matter how much a wolf you feed, it will still look into the forest. This is a whole breed in any society: “And for fun they blow a little hidden fire”. For this, Nero set fire to Rome, and a journalist in the Chekhov's “Lady with a Dog” lamented: boring, what a disgusting, disgusting scandal! This is their element - because it's fun! - and there though the grass does not grow! Then, when it burns, they will laugh in the eyes from somewhere in Paris: do not be so gullible.

If we happened to live in a democracy, then we need to know its true value: “Regarding a shameless person, generosity is excessive nonsense,” said the expert at the time of Ancient Rome Publius Sire.
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  1. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 11 September 2013 08: 01
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    New stupidity in this series: Sobyanin agreed to meet with Navalny - this means that Sobyanin’s headquarters, and he himself, are still captive of his stupidity, and continue to make gifts to Navalny.

    The most important gift from the authorities is a postponement of the sentence.
    They sentenced five years to freedom.
    Amazing such .... toys with "gifts". am

    In my opinion, Zyuganov gave the correct definition for Navalny and Co.

    From 0.56 min.
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 September 2013 08: 14
      20
      Zyuganov himself from the 1996 of the year on the panel, and not better than Navalny. About Navalny I can say what the country is and the leader of the opposition. Among this zoo, Putin looks like a director. Sobyanin like a hysterical, one thing or another, then you have to crush the whites, then you need to agree.
      Let’s see what else will happen in Ekat, Roizman in his time and at the ralmash was in authority.
      1. domokl
        domokl 11 September 2013 08: 37
        16
        Quote: Civil
        . Among this zoo, Putin looks like a director

        That's Putin’s weakness. The director at any enterprise is not at all the main one. The substitutes are much more important. They do the job. The strategist director. Navalny’s success largely determined the lack of choice. Who doubted Sobyanin’s victory? Almost nobody. Hence the appearance and protest , or for fun voting ...
        And the white coasters are organized. In one, the author of the right struggle continues to rest on his laurels early. However, to get these same laurels is posthumous, as is customary in Russia.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 11 September 2013 09: 16
          22
          As my dad says:
          Navalny is, first of all, a microbe in the body of Russia, from the same "democratic" hotbed.

          Those who voted for Navalny are either extreme or idiots. And I am very glad that the goat was not allowed into the garden.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 11 September 2013 09: 56
            +9
            Quote: Natalia
            Navalny is, first of all, a microbe in the body of Russia, from the same "democratic" hotbed.

            I hope your dad is right. And a healthy body can develop immunity to it.
            It is much worse if he is from the band of parasites. This time, radical treatment is indispensable.
            1. AVV
              AVV 11 September 2013 21: 41
              +1
              Navalny is America’s project and who voted for it is either idiots or enemies of Russia !!!
              1. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg 12 September 2013 02: 34
                +2
                Quote: AVV
                Navalny is America’s project and who voted for it is either idiots or enemies of Russia !!!



                Yes, just too much. Pupils usually perplexedly vote, but here consciously. I have a friendship from Moscow, which only does not piss with boiling water as it likes a bulk man. He speaks a lot and without meaning. Although there is no sense, there are all thieves, the captain of the sweetheart, the captain of the presidency. I explain to him on my fingers like a work pyramid and where his place is offended. I tell him - you will burn cars and cut down the forest in the kolyma, and your idol will be pawed and girls drink for the State Department money.

                I usually say this about this subject - what does not touch it turns into a guano. So the elections in Moscow turned into shit drilling.
          2. avt
            avt 11 September 2013 10: 28
            +5
            Quote: Natalia
            Navalny is, first of all, a microbe in the body of Russia, from the same "democratic" hotbed.

            Those who voted for Navalny are either extreme or idiots. And I am very glad that the goat was not allowed into the garden.

            There is no doubt, but the body is weakened, as the article does not particularly analyze the fact that 70% of voters simply did not come. And this is practically a vote against everyone with their feet, and for Anal not all, at the behest of the heart "electoral need they were sent to the urn, and no one counted which of the active protest. So the father, the founder of the front and the leader of the nation has something to think about at his leisure. To read Pushkin, well, or listen - "Boris Godunov" especially the dialogue between Basmanov and Pushkin - ,, ... But do you know how strong we are, Basmanov? Not by the army, no, not by the Polish help. But by the opinion of the people, Dimitri you remember the triumph and his peaceful conquests, when everywhere without a shot his obedient cities surrendered to him. stubborn rabble knitted? "
          3. RussianRu
            RussianRu 11 September 2013 11: 12
            +2
            If you will, a small clarification; Bulk is not a microbe, but a parasite in the body of Russia. For the rest, I completely agree with your father and you.
            1. Sergey_K
              Sergey_K 11 September 2013 14: 35
              +6
              And those who are already at the trough are not parasites?
              1. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg 12 September 2013 02: 39
                -1
                Quote: Sergey_K
                And those who are already at the trough are not parasites?



                And that also wants to the feeder? So the State Department accepts any Judah, you can find the address of the embassy on their website.
            2. Joker
              Joker 11 September 2013 21: 29
              +4
              If you allow, a small clarification; Bulk is not a microbe, but a parasite in the body of Russia.

              And who is not a parasite? Are ordinary citizens doing a lot for the country? Probably on the oven tongue a lot from side to side chatting, that's the use. Nobody needs anything, everything about the fish that rot from their heads is remembered, even though everything is already rotten there, the corpse itself is banal, they can't even break the traffic rules themselves, are they all talking to each other, is this also the fault of the head?
            3. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 12 September 2013 02: 37
              0
              Quote: Russian
              If you will, a small clarification; Bulk is not a microbe, but a parasite in the body of Russia. For the rest, I completely agree with your father and you.


              They would have turned his neck, it would have become easier for everyone. And then babysit with him as with a child ...
          4. Andrey312
            Andrey312 11 September 2013 12: 37
            +9
            Quote: Natalia
            As my dad says:
            Navalny is, first of all, a microbe in the body of Russia, from the same "democratic" hotbed.

            Those who voted for Navalny are either extreme or idiots. And I am very glad that the goat was not allowed into the garden.

            most likely they are extremals, somewhere, where, and in certain areas Navalny Sobyanin went around:
            PEC No. 335 131/130/128 98.46% - Psychoneurological boarding school No. 25
            PEC No. 1948 100/100/95 95% - Gerontopsychiatric Center
            PEC No. 1851 207/207/190 91.79% - Psychoneurological boarding school No. 16
            PEC No. 2047 285/285/257 90.18% - Psychoneurological boarding school No. 30
            PEC No. 2877 168/168/145 86.31% - Psychoneurological boarding school No. 4
            1. Hon
              Hon 11 September 2013 14: 18
              +7
              It's funny that Navalny was actively voted in the center, in the southwest and northwest of the capital. These are areas with the most expensive real estate. These are residents of new monolithic high-rise buildings. Active, well-earned people who recently bought an apartment in Moscow. And not the cheapest.
              In some areas, Navalny not only bypassed Sobyanin, but gained more than 50% of the vote.
              1. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg 12 September 2013 02: 42
                0
                Quote: Hon
                Active, well-earned people who recently bought an apartment in Moscow.


                These are just those who actively use the Internet. Actually, they are zombified through social networks.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 12 September 2013 09: 17
                  0
                  Everyone is using the Internet now
          5. albi77
            albi77 11 September 2013 12: 57
            -1
            Most likely this is a variant of protest for the column "against all." there would be such a graph, then I think she would be in second place (unless of course not in first), and Navalny ... so .... earlier, Zhirinovsky was also voted for (yes, in my opinion, it is still the same for fun or in protest vote)
            1. PiP
              PiP 11 September 2013 13: 51
              0
              Quote: albi77
              Most likely this is a variant of protest for the column "against all." if there was such a graph, then I think she would be in second place

              I agree. I myself did not vote (I went fishing), but a week before that I "sat" with a neighbor. So he said that "will be for Navalny because there is no other choice and the columns are against everyone." That is why such results are in the elections.
              1. igor12
                igor12 11 September 2013 16: 42
                -1
                Tell your neighbor that he’s a nerd, you’ll have the state of Moscow there, and if this revolutionary comes to us, we will leave the USA, Turkey, Germany, etc. And you will feed on your litter, as Moscow’s budget deficit is 228000000000 billion rubles and you live at the expense of us Russians, we pay for your good life ..
                1. Joker
                  Joker 11 September 2013 21: 32
                  0
                  and you live at the expense of us Russians, we pay for your good life ..

                  And how much do you pay the Muscovites? laughing you personally, probably a million a year? It seems that there they all scatter your money with a shovel, everyone works just like you, it is you who pay your power to Mercedes, cottages and so on.
                  1. chehywed
                    chehywed 11 September 2013 22: 05
                    +6
                    Quote: Joker
                    And how much do you pay Muscovites? you personally, probably a million a year?

                    Joker, the fact is that the lion's share of Russian enterprises is registered in Moscow. I was surprised to learn that Moscow gives almost 75% of GDP (not Putin). What does Moscow produce besides money? Here is the industry of the Murmansk region: non-ferrous metallurgy, mining (mining and processing of apatite-nepheline ores, mining and enrichment of copper-nickel and iron ores), chemical, fishing, ship repair, woodworking industries. Actively logging. Rich deposits of oil and gas are discovered on the shelf of the Barents Sea. Among the leading industrial enterprises: Apatit OJSC, Kandalaksha Aluminum Plant, LUKOIL-Arctic-Tanker OJSC, Nickel Association (Monchegorsk), Kovodorsky Mining and Processing Plant (iron ore concentrate), Murmanrybprom Production Association. Kola NPP. Kislogubskaya PES. Cascades of hydroelectric power stations on the rivers Niva, Tuloma, Paz, Kovda, Voronya.
                    As a result, we are a subsidized region, because. practically all of this has a Moscow "registration".
                    1. 31231
                      31231 11 September 2013 23: 14
                      +3
                      You are a little wrong. Moscow is not 75% of GDP, it is rather the majority of Russia's taxes. For most of the legal entities of holdings and large companies are registered in Moscow and accordingly pay taxes there.
                      1. chehywed
                        chehywed 11 September 2013 23: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: 31231
                        You are a little wrong.

                        Maybe, but some kind of a bloke said on television when he was told that all Russia was working for Moscow. Not yesterday, a couple of years ago.
                    2. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 11 September 2013 23: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: chehywed
                      I was surprised to learn that Moscow provides almost 75% of GDP
                      And they were rightly surprised - the GDP of Moscow = 20% of the country's GDP.

                      As a result, we are a subsidized region, because. practically all of this has a Moscow "registration".
                      The question is to the owners of enterprises and to who determines the economic policy of the country.
                      1. chehywed
                        chehywed 11 September 2013 23: 29
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Question to business owners

                        Yarosvet, sometimes there’s already no one to ask. A regional bourgeois who refused to sell the fish factory to Muscovites was simply stuffed with lead. 10 years ago. I don’t know who owns the plant ... It is unlikely that heirs.
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 11 September 2013 23: 37
                        0
                        Quote: chehywed
                        sometimes there’s no one to ask.
                      3. chehywed
                        chehywed 11 September 2013 23: 47
                        0
                        Yarosvet , if he will also deal with the "criminal", then why then the Prosecutor's Office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 12 September 2013 00: 05
                        +1
                        And where does the criminal?
                        He determines the direction of financial and economic policy, he is the guarantor of the Constitution, in fact it is he who forms the government.
                        If financial and economic policy leads to an imbalance - the question is to him.
                        If the government is working badly, the question is for him.
                        If the Constitution does not work - a question for him.
                        If the prosecutor’s office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs work through the ass, the question is for him.

                        Who built the power vertical? Who should claim that this vertical only works sporadically and only in manual mode?
                      5. chehywed
                        chehywed 12 September 2013 00: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Who should claim that this vertical only works sporadically and only in manual mode?

                        We, you and me, for choosing all shit in the regional legislative assemblies and State fool, (Pozner built, but I can. Democracy in action! laughing They write laws, and they write "for themselves", and the president is the executor. When in Murmansk Gordura changed the law on mayoral elections, people took to the streets? No, so there’s nothing to blame for the mirror.
                      6. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 12 September 2013 00: 34
                        +1
                        Is the president an executor? laughing
                        We open the Constitution and read from the 80th article ...

                        Moreover, not a single local law can contradict federal law, not a single federal law can contradict the Constitution, but - strangely enough - it contradicts.
                        And who signs the Federal Law contradicting the Constitution?
                      7. chehywed
                        chehywed 12 September 2013 00: 59
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And who signs the Federal Law contradicting the Constitution?

                        And who writes?
                      8. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 12 September 2013 01: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: chehywed
                        And who writes?
                        Anyone, but submitted to the consideration of either the faction or the president.
                        They accept or reject them by a majority vote, that is, EP does it - a party created under Putin, supported by Putin and nominating Putin for elections.

                        And the president, obliged not only to comply with the Constitution, but also to guarantee its observance by all public authorities, signs these unconstitutional Federal Laws.
                      9. chehywed
                        chehywed 12 September 2013 01: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        anti-constitutional Federal Law signs.

                        Yarosvet, for this there is the Constitutional Court. Well, understand, until we feel like a NATION, they will wipe their feet about us. And any president of any country is still a "president", if he relies only on the people, he will be killed tomorrow.
                      10. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 12 September 2013 01: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: chehywed
                        there is a constitutional court for this
                        Who makes a presentation to the judges to recall?

                        Well, understand, until we ourselves feel like a NATION, they will wipe their feet about us. And any president, of any country, is still a "president", if he relies only on the people, he will be killed tomorrow.
                        And if we feel like a nation it will not bang? laughing

                        Who about whom and thanks to whom he wipes his feet - the states, Europe - who?

                        If you are right (as I doubt it) and Vova, if he starts to rock the boat, bang - then this, brother, is such a job.
                        Only now it seems to me that the position of the ransacking president is much safer than the work of a miner in modern mines, and the likelihood of ending his days ahead of schedule is less than that of a brow who got into the cop.
                      11. chehywed
                        chehywed 12 September 2013 02: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        If you're right (which I doubt) and Vova, if he starts to rock the boat, bang

                        He does not rock the boat.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And if we feel like a nation it will not bang?

                        The task of the nation is not that.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        the ransacking president’s position is much safer than working as a miner in modern mines,

                        Yes.
                        Good night.
                      12. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 12 September 2013 02: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: chehywed
                        He does not rock the boat.
                        That is the point.
                2. erg
                  erg 12 September 2013 03: 54
                  +1
                  Laws are written not by anyone, but by professional lawyers. Deputies, factions, ministries, etc. have the right to legislative initiative. That is, they put forward a proposal to adopt such a law or an amendment to the current law. This is in the form of a proposal containing the wording of the text of the amendment or law. Moreover, the text is written by a professional lawyer. Next, a working group is created, which finds out whether it is legal from the point of view of the current legislation to make this proposal, finds out the opinion of other representatives of the State Duma, takes into account their comments and amendments to the text of the proposal. And if lawyers determine that the proposal is legal, then the final text of the law or amendment is formed and it is already submitted for consideration by the State Duma in the first and subsequent readings if necessary. In the process of consideration, amendments are made and, if the law is adopted, it goes to the Federation Council. Further, if it is accepted there, then to the president. Once again, the texts are written by lawyers. In fact, those who put forward a proposal make up only approximate provisions that the law or an amendment to the law should contain, and it is the lawyers who finalize it (this is actually their work). By the way, now the adoption of new laws, as well as the receipt of new proposals can be tracked on the website of the State Duma, at all stages. Everything is painted literally by the hour. Who, when and what contributed, accepted, etc. And not retroactively. Last year, I monitored an attempt to amend the police law to allow local authorities to finance internal affairs agencies. (known as mayor and governor bonuses, now prohibited). Rejected at the proposal stage. We considered that the proposal itself did not comply with federal law. In particular, on the financing of civil service.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 13 September 2013 01: 08
    +1
    Quote: chehywed
    the fact is that the lion's share of Russian enterprises is registered in Moscow. I was surprised to learn that Moscow produces almost 75% of GDP (not Putin). What does Moscow produce besides money? Here is the industry of the Murmansk region: non-ferrous metallurgy, mining (mining and processing of apatite-nepheline ores, mining and enrichment of copper-nickel and iron ores), chemical, fishing, ship repairing, woodworking industries. Actively logging. Rich deposits of oil and gas are discovered on the shelf of the Barents Sea. Among the leading industrial enterprises: Apatit OJSC, Kandalaksha Aluminum Plant, LUKOIL-Arctic-Tanker OJSC, Nickel Association (Monchegorsk), Kovodorsky Mining and Processing Plant (iron ore concentrate), Murmanrybprom Production Association. Kola NPP. Kislogubskaya PES. Cascades of hydroelectric power stations on the rivers Niva, Tuloma, Paz, Kovda, Voronya.
    As a result, we are a subsidized region, because. practically all of this has a Moscow "registration".

    Me, a resident of Kazakhstan, this is not surprising. In Soviet times, all the largest enterprises of the KazSSR were not attached to the republican ministries (and, accordingly, the republican budget), but belonged directly to the union ministries, which were located in Moscow. Everything that was produced by the flagships of the economy of Kazakhstan was recorded at the expense of Moscow organizations and did not appear in the budget of the Kazakh SSR. As a result, the republic that mined the entire periodic table, oil, gas, produced on a gigantic scale grain, meat, defense products - was considered formally subsidized (although in fact it was a republic-donor of the all-Union budget).
    In 1990, the American soldier Solzhenitsyn hammered into the heads of the Russians the thesis something like "Enough for the Russians to feed Kazakhstan!" and a year later, the Russians rejoiced like children that they separated the national provinces from themselves.
    Now the Russians are being hammered into the idea of ​​"Stop feeding the Caucasus" and incite regional separatism. They say that Moscow will live without the Caucasus and even without Siberia (Ingermanland residents of St. Petersburg have already been impressed by this, judging by my friends).
  • orient
    orient 11 September 2013 22: 38
    +4
    Don't be foolish ... During the Soviet stagnant times, I had a chance to go to Moscow for five days on a tour. The impressions were not the best, since the overwhelming number of Moscow sellers (after all, in addition to visiting museums, shops were also visited) were patronizing, allowing themselves to say to their face: "Because of you, visitors, it became impossible to buy anything for Muscovites!" And as you know, in those days the class of sellers was the most "creative". And then the whole Union provided Moscow with its standard of living. So now, not much has changed. In my opinion, this is an eternal syndrome of capital residents, tk. while studying at the Kyiv Polytechnic Institute, I saw exactly the same attitude of Kyivans towards "provincials". So behind the "Lesha" mountain stood nothing really producing "hamsters", yes Bozena Rynska - Kuritsyna with Ksyusha Sobchak.
  • xan
    xan 11 September 2013 13: 41
    +4
    Quote: Natalia
    Those who voted for Navalny are either extreme or idiots. And I am very glad that the goat was not allowed into the garden.

    or those who simply got tired of corruption and the inability of the authorities to solve the problems facing society
    the hypocrisy of power is especially enraging when an official becomes an oligarch, and the authorities have no complaints against him
    1. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 11 September 2013 14: 36
      -1
      Such komenty here do not like dear. The authorities gave a clear signal - this cannot go on any longer. Finish stealing.
  • valerei
    valerei 11 September 2013 16: 37
    +4
    Natalia, my daughter voted for Navalny, but she is not "extreme" and, if she could get a MGIMO diploma without money, she is far from "going". She voted not "for" but "against". Domokl correctly noted that there was no choice, just as there was no choice during all the elections of all our presidents. In general, the rest of Russia does not care deeply about the Moscow elections. Your problems are over your head.
    1. sedoj
      sedoj 11 September 2013 23: 00
      +2
      Quote: valerei
      my daughter voted for Navalny

      You guys are not friends with your head at all. A couple more such daughters - and Sobyanin would not have this one and a half percent. So, what is next? Round two? Raise Navalny's rating even higher? Have you forgotten about Luzhkov? Or, after all, Luzhkov was good: after all, he gave out the citizens' cards to Muscovites. What about Sobyanin? Well, I opened a couple of roundabouts so that the poor would not stand in traffic jams, well, I held a championship there - probably I took the dough off without measure. But he did at least something. What did Navalny do? Except, as in your blog everyone and everything to fire. Zilch. Watch "The Moment of Truth" - there, after each plot, cases are opened. Has Navalny brought at least something to the Investigative Committee with his idle talk? So let's all the camp for Navalny! He's against the government! He's a fighter! He is for us, for those offended by the authorities! And Navalny doesn’t need you. He would have gotten away from the slammer while the authorities were playing cat and mouse. So it turns out: Moscow is a city of the offended. And with the offended, you yourself know what they are doing. Their e..ut.
    2. 31231
      31231 11 September 2013 23: 17
      -1
      Your daughter fed the family in the 90s ?! Did she even see life ?! Or does she think that the times of EBN are a myth and they will not return ?!
    3. Andrey Skokovsky
      Andrey Skokovsky 12 September 2013 12: 30
      +1
      Quote: valerei
      Natalia, my daughter voted for Navalny, but she is not "extreme" and, if she could get a MGIMO diploma without money, she is far from "going". She voted not "for" but "against". Domokl correctly noted that there was no choice, just as there was no choice during all the elections of all our presidents. In general, the rest of Russia does not care deeply about the Moscow elections. Your problems are over your head.

      unfortunately your daughter is still a touchy and irresponsible child,
      an adult, realizing his responsibility for the people around him, will not vote in order to take revenge on someone, instead of helping the most worthy and capable, she takes revenge for her unfulfilled expectations by voting for a direct enemy,

      as well as our personal sympathies and antipathies to the authorities or direct bosses, as a rule, have nothing to do with the real capabilities of a given person in his post, people close to us may like it,
      the mayor is not an idol of variety art, it is hard and responsible work, and your daughter tried to hand it to a rogue with her own hands, not at all thinking about the consequences.
  • Andrey Skokovsky
    Andrey Skokovsky 11 September 2013 20: 00
    0
    Quote: Natalia
    As my dad says:
    Navalny is, first of all, a microbe in the body of Russia, from the same "democratic" hotbed.

    Those who voted for Navalny are either extreme or idiots. And I am very glad that the goat was not allowed into the garden.


    such a concentration of the demented in the capital is a little scary, which is why the essence of this street talker does not reach them in any way, if they had already landed it for 5 years.
    1. 7ydmco
      7ydmco 11 September 2013 23: 22
      +1
      The PEPSI generation has grown
  • NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 11 September 2013 23: 42
    0
    A third of the voters are idiots and extremists ,,,,,, how you respected with your dad live in this country? Poor .....
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 11 September 2013 09: 44
    +7
    Quote: domokl
    That's Putin’s weakness. The director at any enterprise is not at all the main one. The substitutes are much more important. It is they who do the job.


    What kind of deputies, what kind of tail is this that twists the dog? ? Write as there are owners. Any president has owners. Well, it’s not the Tsar Emperor, it’s a citizen chosen for someone’s money.
    1. matross
      matross 11 September 2013 10: 18
      -1
      Quote: Vadivak
      Write as there are owners. Any president has owners.

      Open our eyes to who these owners are. Who to thank for the president?
    2. domokl
      domokl 11 September 2013 10: 18
      -2
      Quote: Vadivak
      what is this tail that turns the dog

      It’s not twisting the tail ... I wrote about the enterprise. The director there is really a strategist. For each position, there is a specific deputy or department head. And about Putin’s owners ... I somehow believe more facts and not our conclusions. And I don’t have facts, means ...
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 11 September 2013 12: 03
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        ..I somehow believe the facts more


        Putin actually correctly put Yeltsin. Then I think everything is clear
        1. Prorox
          Prorox 11 September 2013 13: 43
          +3
          And Yeltsin, who runs Putin from the grave? References to the "family" and others are irrelevant without proof.
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 15 September 2013 21: 37
          0
          Quote: Vadivak
          Putin actually put Yeltsin. Then I think everything is clear


          I don’t put a minus on you, Vadivak, because in general I rarely minus, but this is your thoughtful "further, I think, everything is clear" - the simplest manipulation, designed for idiots. Only the stupid will nod profoundly in the absence of arguments. So why did you write? Are you looking for idiots or are you tired of posting? So rest.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 11 September 2013 10: 53
    +1
    The director is only the general manager, do not forget that there is also the owner of the "Boss", so I would like to know who is "Boss" in the Russian kingdom, otherwise I have seen many directors.
  • labendik
    labendik 11 September 2013 16: 36
    -1
    Get a must.
  • labendik
    labendik 11 September 2013 19: 32
    0
    Be sure to get one.
  • POBEDA
    POBEDA 11 September 2013 22: 05
    0
    Quite right! Those who are not against the current government simply stayed at home, realizing that Sobyanin would win. And the "oppositionists" ran in formation to vote for Navalny, about 600 thousand people voted for him. For Sobyanin 1,2 million. If the authorities were more cunning and did not give gifts to the opposition, it would be 75% versus 15% for Navalny. By the way, why is he not assigned back to the bunk by a court decision?
  • starshina78
    starshina78 11 September 2013 22: 18
    +3
    I didn't understand something: what kind of struggle, with whom? domokl is me about your comment. It turns out, if in your opinion, is there some kind of struggle going on in Russia, that the state is fighting with someone in the internal space? And these someone - this is the opposition (white tape, orange, or whatever you call them). They are part of the Russian people, and in your opinion, the state is fighting against a part of its people, and the fact that the opposition representative (I do not mean Navalny, let's take an abstract personality) gained a large percentage is bad. And why is it bad, and why does this percentage grow from election to election? They will minus me, the moderator will put my comment at the bottom, but I will speak out. I am a resident of the Moscow region, and therefore did not vote for the bulk, but if he was in the Moscow region, I would have voted for him. Not because of his theses, slogans, appeals, but for a banal reason called protest voting. Why? Yes, our reality got me! Lie everywhere and everywhere! According to VTsIOM, we live very well, we have inflation of 2-3%, GDP is growing, and so on. The main topics in our news are Syria and the floods in the Far East. All ! As for the rest, "... beautiful marquise! Everything is fine! ...". Where is it good from? The machine-building enterprises producing the main equipment for the country are not needed by the government. Left to their own devices. And slowly bend. For example: our plant, from 4.09 switched to a three-day period. No orders. The salary of a top-class specialist is 12-15000 rubles. That's why the general director flies by helicopter to work. The half-plant was infected with radiation, and no one is to blame! And it will not, because - because he is a friend of the country's top leaders. Complete chaos! In other factories (men go on business trips) the same nonsense. It got to the point that we no longer make bearings! Chinese bearings are being assembled! This is one of the reasons . The other is housing and communal services. How much more can you mock us? Tariffs are rising, but everything is crumbling, pipes are bursting, walls are crumbling. And what about medicine? The salaries of doctors were increased, so they began to take more now. They put them in the hospital, if there is no money then they will not be treated. it is worth paying and the medicines are found, and the doctor approaches. They say that you don't pay anything in schools, they say, extortion is illegal. try not to pay. The child will be pecked, and forced to pay, or transferred to another school. And that is not all . There are a lot of reasons. That is why Navalny got so many votes that there are many who do not trust anyone, not the deputies, not the president, or anyone.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 12 September 2013 02: 52
    0
    Quote: domokl
    The success of Navalny was largely determined by the lack of choice.


    Success, if one can speak of losing elections, was determined by the applied technologies. Poganets hit the most vulnerable place - the youth, which no longer wants to live at the direction of the elders, but still does not understand what is happening in life. And he didn’t miss it; everything was counted clearly.

    It was done gracefully and simply - people were not allowed to do what they had to do, they were trolled by all possible means, constantly hollowed in the brain in all the media that everything was bad, there was garbage all around, and the bulk of the democracy ... and that’s all. Note that no one promised that something would change.
  • kris
    kris 11 September 2013 09: 48
    10
    Quote: Civil
    Zyuganov himself from the 1996 of the year on the panel, and not better than Navalny. About Navalny I can say what the country is and the leader of the opposition. Among this zoo, Putin looks like a director. Sobyanin like a hysterical, one thing or another, then you have to crush the whites, then you need to agree.

    political circus.
    Putin did not lose, having blinded from the bulk leader of the opposition.
    using this puppet, as well as regular clowns (zyu, Zhirik and Miron), you can easily manipulate the rating and "win" any election.
    anal allows you to let off steam dissatisfied and thus the question of the opposition comes to naught.
    PS one thing is strange. on this forum like adults, but why so many of them "buy" for this performance?
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 11 September 2013 11: 40
      -1
      Quote: kris
      Putin did not lose, having blinded from the bulk leader of the opposition.

      The same thought was that he was a double agent, and before being recruited by the Americans he was already our employee, if so, then our special services work well, because while the Americans are the losers, they normally swell money into it, and the exhaust is still purely demonstrative ..
    2. vot-te-raz
      vot-te-raz 11 September 2013 19: 46
      0
      I completely agree with you Only a blind man does not see that bulk is a Kremlin project /
  • Vlad 1965
    Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 10: 02
    +1
    Civil
    Sometimes it would be nice to include logic instead of empty cries.
    You, in 93,96, grabbed a gun and ran to build barricades, defending your choice? NO? And why then breed nonsense, they say Zyuganov is bad?
    You yourself, finally your entourage, relatives, acquaintances, comrades and just citizens of a nodding acquaintance, how do you express your "WILL"?
    Or, under pressure, the directors run to vote for the party in power, and then, sitting in the kitchens, they howl, the housing and communal services are raised, the SCHOOL is killed, it’s not possible to live, the pay is small, or they don’t attend the elections at all - we all decided.
    So is it not better to turn yourself on KUMA, look what you yourself are, and do not throw accusations.
    People like you are ready to vote for Roizman without seeing, not understanding, not wanting to understand, we are fighting drugs with one hand, while sponsoring and encouraging it with the other, will you deny it?
    And this can in no way be a protest, since your Roizman takes an extreme position in liberal serpentarium, which, the more drunk and narcotized the people, the less literate they are, the easier it is to rule.
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 September 2013 12: 39
      +1
      Vlad 1965, in those years 93, 96 ... was still young to run to the barricades, but I know one thing in 96 Zyuganov won, but could not fight the seven-bankers, I know because he was an observer in the elections, and I clearly saw everything, and about turnout and about quality.
      At the moment, my will coincides with the election results. The policy of breaking society will sooner or later lead to renewal. Let me explain, the super-goal is nationalization, and without a cardinal change this will not happen. Under the mild scenario of the transfer of power, nothing fundamentally changes
  • DEfindER
    DEfindER 11 September 2013 10: 34
    +4
    Quote: Civil
    Zyuganov himself since 1996 on the panel, and not better than Navalny.

    Zyuganov always had a clear program of action in any historical period of the new Russia. And it is supported by real people - scientists, politicians, athletes, astronauts, heroes of the country. And what program does Navalny have? All to plant? For him, apparently, those who are not burdened with unnecessary intelligence .. have achieved little and want to destroy everything, so that not only would he feel bad in life ...
    Quote: Civil
    what a country is such and an opposition leader.

    The opposition is always needed, so that the government does not relax, for example, Stalin had such an opposition that his slightest mistake could even stand up to the wall, and as a result, he earned such confidence of the people with his own affairs that it came to the cult of personality. So our opposition is still white and fluffy, but you cannot let it out of your hands either, because they won’t stop at anything to achieve the goals set by the owners.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 11 September 2013 11: 50
      +2
      Zyuganov is an effective manager, in the literal sense, he trades in the most expensive, merging electorate discontent into a "locomotive whistle", remember his actions in 1993! And the surrender of victory in 1996.
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 11 September 2013 08: 45
    16
    Honestly, the percentage of those who voted for Navalny was surprised. Not everything means well in Moscow. Smart politicians would start by identifying the reasons for the discontent of the population, so they would visit the masses, interview common people, find out their problems, aspirations. Demagogues have been and will always be, whether bulk, bryntsalov, etc. It is important to identify the reason why people vote for them and play ahead of the curve.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 11 September 2013 09: 09
      12
      Hello, garage! 30% of 30% of Muscovites voted for Naval (more than half were scored in the elections), i.e. 9%, as predicted by "political scientists". Impudent face and stubborn appaziters are simply pathological liars. No one in Moscow needs a second Yeltsinok.
      That’s what landing such misunderstandings is, that’s bad.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 11 September 2013 09: 57
        -1
        Quote: fzr1000
        30% of 30% of Muscovites voted for Naval (more than half were scored in the elections), i.e. 9%, as predicted by "political scientists"

        True, it must be understood that it was the stubborn white puppies who were in the forefront of those who voted. And looking for them among 70% of those who ignored the elections is useless.
        The remaining 7 out of 10 Moscow voters would no doubt cast their votes in any way not for Navalny.
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 11 September 2013 11: 31
          -1
          I strongly doubt that among the people who chose on Sunday a dacha / binge in nature / fishing (underline as necessary), the percentage of the electorate of this patient is high. Just watch the video recording of the swamp or sahorov last year, the audience is typical.
      2. PiP
        PiP 11 September 2013 14: 05
        +2
        Quote: fzr1000
        30% of 30% of Muscovites voted for Nabal (more than half were scored for the election), i.e. 9%, like predka

        good I'm still wondering where Navalny got the funds for agitation. It was impossible to drive around Moscow that would not be looking at the sticker "for bulk". It follows from this that someone is very interested in the victory of the bulk. I have not seen such a tough PR company in other candidates.
    2. wax
      wax 11 September 2013 13: 02
      +1
      It seems to me that Sobyanin as a person is not an attractive figure and that votes were cast for him precisely from the understanding of the need for stability, not shocks. There was not a single competitive person among the candidate candidates. Navalny was admitted as a litmus test for assessing the situation in Moscow, while on the understanding that he had no chance of becoming mayor of the capital. I hope that at the very top stop building illusions about a stable and skillful manager at the head of Moscow. Indeed, in essence, he crawled out by voting in the new Moscow. He is still far from the scale of Luzhkov’s personality.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 11 September 2013 23: 55
        +1
        Muscovites Sobyanin's name is REINDEER BREEDER and nothing more !!!
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 11 September 2013 15: 45
      +5
      Quote: xetai9977
      Honestly, the percentage of those who voted for Navalny was surprised. Not everything means well in Moscow. Smart politicians would start by identifying the reasons for the discontent of the population, so to speak, among the masses, interviewing ordinary people, finding out their problems, aspirations




      representatives of the upper middle class, wealthy people, wealthy people mainly voted for Navalny free professions intelligentsia, specialists with higher education. No wonder that the protest movement was jokingly called the “revolution of mink coats.” The paradox is that these voters have something to lose in the event of any cataclysms, unlike most residents of the “sleeping areas”. These people, typical bourgeois and those who serve them and dream of becoming them, having risen from the environment of creative office plankton, naively believe that, having come to power, Navalny will give the business free money, remove the burden of social programs from it, remove the dominance of state control (bureaucratic bureaucracy) of the bureaucracy, which means and corruption. Those. the rotten in the West liberal ideas of a "free market" of "democracy" and a society of equal opportunities ", when more and more clearly the world is entering a tough phase of domination of supranational banking speculative and usurious capital in conjunction with transnational corporations that are building a new world order completely different from liberal capitalism, still sit in the heads of our homegrown bourgeois and who sniff the people about the liberal, free and honest oasis of capitalism that will be established in Russia.In short, they guarantee the freedom of indefatigable enrichment without any obligations to the state and the bulk of the working people again lack of pensions, wages, social benefits, increase the retirement age and an increase in the working day (all this was already in Prokhorov's program in the presidential elections, where he also collected a decent percentage of the votes 8% and almost 6 million votes)
      I think these people hardly imagine the consequences of coming Bulk to power
      And one more moment confirming all of the above. Sociologists have already drawn a voting map for the districts of Moscow. Amazing but the map of the Moscow elections almost completely coincides with the map that realtors draw, taking as a basis the cost of a square meter of housing. Where it is more expensive, the percentage of the opposition candidate is higher. And vice versa.
      The differences are approximately the same as between Moscow and the rest of Russia: in the provinces (read - in Kapotnya), candidates for power are trusted more than in the spoiled and capricious capital (read - in the elite Kutuzovsky). Only the concentration of liberal bourgeois and their slaves in Moscow an order of magnitude higher than outside the MKAD.

  • alex13-61
    alex13-61 11 September 2013 09: 09
    +8
    Quote: GreatRussia
    In my opinion, Zyuganov gave the correct definition for Navalny and Co.

    He just recalled the EBN’s coming to power ... And his speech at the 19th party conference. Where he declared the privilege of the party apparatus to be the main evil and he found popularity among the people ... If he knew the people, what bloodsuckers he fosters ... And now - nothing new . The scheme is the same.
  • TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 11 September 2013 09: 29
    +1
    If "Roly with a bucket of stolen nails" is elected somewhere and got a term, will he be allowed to vote? I will not comment on this story.
    Today I wrote, loyal, without violations, comments on Ukraine, it is impossible, and did not reach the moderators. Something this site has become for the "elite"!
    Yours faithfully! It’s a pity, but I need to leave, although I respected this site very much and, the only place I talked to was on this site!
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 11 September 2013 09: 59
      +2
      Quote: TehnarMAF
      It’s a pity, but I need to leave, although I respected this site very much and, the only place I talked to was on this site!

      Nikolay, this is some kind of mistake. Give admins the opportunity to rehabilitate themselves.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 11 September 2013 11: 28
    +3
    Navalny, Roizman, who is next - apparently the "honest Jew" Shulman Yitzhak? The people apparently completely "relaxed".
  • Farvil
    Farvil 11 September 2013 14: 47
    +3
    Zyuganov political whore, eternal secretary general damn.
    1. densh
      densh 11 September 2013 21: 06
      +1
      Yes, and with the collapse of the Union, Papa Zyu’s snout was hairy.
  • Joker
    Joker 11 September 2013 21: 25
    +5
    And I had no doubt that Sobyanin would win, it was clear even then when he himself withdrew from the post. But the bulk is a toy for fools, it is for those who voted and released, so that everyone ran for Sobyanin to vote, either he or a traitor, and in fact that one is the second the same. It's like with Putin, his opponents are dbili and against them, he looks like a completely nothing, but they would have betrayed normal people and hell would have won without juggling. In short, they play with might and main with public opinion, it’s like with the USA, it’s advantageous to blame them for all the troubles, because the views from those who have fiddled with 90 are going to the country beyond the ocean. The same Abramovich, is he also a US agent and stole for them? Yes, the hell with 2, derbanil for myself, like thousands of others.
  • artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 11 September 2013 08: 04
    +1
    Bulk in the elections, some kind of idiocy.
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 September 2013 08: 38
      +9
      Quote: artist-mamluk
      Bulk in the elections, some kind of idiocy.

      However, more than a quarter of Moscow voters voted for him. Very, you see, indicative idiocy.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 11 September 2013 08: 52
        11
        Quote: domokl
        However, more than a quarter of Moscow voters voted for him. Very, you see, indicative idiocy

        Well, in general, calling absolutely unfamiliar people i.Diots is also not very clever. A person’s actions are always caused by some reasons. It would be nice for those in power to know them and draw appropriate conclusions.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 11 September 2013 09: 05
          +8
          Quote: baltika-18
          It would be nice for those in power to know them and draw appropriate conclusions.

          Probably those in power know everything very well. This is dissatisfaction with domestic politics, social life, low wages, housing and communal services, visiting "comrades" who feel at home in Moscow - owners, etc. And the conclusions are to pretend that none of this is there. Well, those in power do not change! And the existence of such "opposition" is very beneficial to the authorities. (If they keep her on a short leash, so as not to really bring her to the Orange Revolution). Let the people let off steam. Better to let him shout for Navalny than "Give us a socialist revolution!"
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 11 September 2013 09: 29
            +5
            Quote: Egoza
            Better to let him shout for Navalny than "Give me a socialist revolution

            You’re right, Lena. A bulk of empty slabs, an outlet of a kind. I have no doubt that this is a project controlled by the authorities.
          2. Fin
            Fin 11 September 2013 09: 33
            +4
            If Navalny went deeper into housing and communal services and began working with pensioners, it is not a fact that Sobyanin would have gained more than 50%. Look at the photo at the beginning of the article, there are not only youth with protest for the sake of protest.
            In general, a single election day should be moved to the end of October, when they no longer go to summer cottages. They immediately talked about this, but our authorities are stubborn. Did Medvedev approve this day?
            1. polly
              polly 11 September 2013 11: 02
              +5
              I will never believe that this Fuhrer will harness for pensioners, creating paradise life for them! And confirmation of this is the behavior and words of his ardent supporter. Remember, “I am Bozena! Take me off, take off! ” To riot police, she promised to “break her mouth” and wanted to gouge out with an awl, but about pensioners who vote differently from what she needs: “Because of this undead generation who haws all the shit that defecates Putin’s TV, because of those humble mum our generation suffers - they bring monstrous, fateful interference into the electoral landscape. There is not so much left for them to survive, and our century is really stuck with our second vote. The outgoing nature should not influence the flowering and creating life ”.http: //www.ntv.ru/novosti/656439/
            2. evil hamster
              evil hamster 11 September 2013 11: 36
              +3
              And what would he correct in the housing and communal services? Does he even know how to okromya p ... Ms at rallies and waving funds through sawing schemes?
              1. Fin
                Fin 11 September 2013 17: 41
                +2
                I will never believe that this Fuhrer will harness for pensioners, creating paradise life for them!


                Quote: evil hamster
                And what would he correct in the housing and communal services? Does he even know how to okromya p ... Ms at rallies and waving funds through sawing schemes?


                And he would not harness, the main thing is to promise. And housing and communal services as well. What power does a lot? We have no one responsible for their words. Is this for you in the news?
          3. Vlad 1965
            Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 12: 31
            +1
            That's right, this is what the authorities do, in confirmation
            http://ttolk.ru/?p=11949
        2. Igor39
          Igor39 11 September 2013 11: 15
          +7
          Moscow, this is not Russia!
      2. Parabelum
        Parabelum 11 September 2013 09: 12
        +5
        It’s more correct to say a quarter of those who came to the polls, but this is not a quarter of the voters in Moscow, who were only 30%.
      3. RussianRu
        RussianRu 11 September 2013 09: 12
        +2
        More than a quarter is from 1 / 3 of all eligible voters. And this is the ceiling of Navalny’s supporters. If we count from all, then Navalny will get less than 10% of the vote.
      4. 31231
        31231 11 September 2013 09: 24
        +4
        However, more than a quarter of Moscow voters voted for him.


        I will correct a little. More than a quarter of the voters voted, or 8,9% of the total voters list.
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 11 September 2013 17: 39
          +1
          Quote: 31231
          However, more than a quarter of Moscow voters voted for him.


          I will correct a little. More than a quarter of the voters voted, or 8,9% of the total voters list.


          So this is too much for him and alarming, isn't it? Thus, a whole "layer" of people can be lost in his "gang".
      5. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 11 September 2013 11: 35
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: artist-mamluk
        Bulk in the elections, some kind of idiocy.

        However, more than a quarter of Moscow voters voted for him. Very, you see, indicative idiocy.


        Here, here - it is indicative. It is not clear how this could happen. Protest vote? Rather, the Kremlin’s project, but even this does not explain these 27 percent.
      6. Prorox
        Prorox 11 September 2013 17: 26
        +2
        domoki
        However, more than a quarter of Moscow voters voted for him.

        Is it such a game of tsiferki or what? Why do you ignore the turnout (33,23%) for the elections and attribute to the onal quarter of Muscovites.
        1. Hon
          Hon 11 September 2013 17: 37
          0
          Quote: Prorox
          Is it such a game of tsiferki or what? Why do you ignore the turnout (33,23%) for the elections and attribute to the onal quarter of Muscovites.

          I and many of my friends would vote for Navalny if they went to the polls. Why confidence that with a high turnout, Navalny would have gained less than a percent?
      7. Russ69
        Russ69 12 September 2013 00: 26
        -1
        Quote: domokl
        However, more than a quarter of Moscow voters voted for him. Very, you see, indicative idiocy.
        It would be more correct to say a quarter of a third ...
  • morpogr
    morpogr 11 September 2013 08: 08
    12
    Many who like Sobyanin were just too lazy to go to the polls, and bulk sectarians came with the whole herd and that’s the result. If everyone who sympathizes with Sobyanin voted for him, the result for bulk would be deadly.
    1. PPL
      PPL 11 September 2013 08: 44
      +3
      It’s not even a matter of sympathy for Sobyanin, but the usual common sense, which subconsciously resists the calls and slogans of those offended by the “bad” life (government, school, market seller, etc.).
      1. Hon
        Hon 11 September 2013 09: 08
        +3
        Quote: PPZ
        seller in the market

        It is precisely because of the markets that many sympathize with Sobyanin, with his arrival a "fun" life began at the markets)))
  • radio operator
    radio operator 11 September 2013 08: 09
    16
    Our belolentochnaya (or orange, according to the Ukrainian classification) opposition protests by inertia, and does not recognize the results of the vote, but grins at the corners, realizing that it received a serious result as a gift for arrogance and rudeness.
  • Micex
    Micex 11 September 2013 08: 12
    10
    Navalny, apparently, united around himself people who needed a protest for the sake of protest, and not for the sake of purpose or idea. as in a famous joke:
    - Who are we ???
    - Adherents of Navalny !!!
    - What do we want ???
    - We don’t know !!!
    - When do we want it ???
    - Right now!!!
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 11 September 2013 08: 22
      +9
      Quote: Micex
      - Adherents of Navalny !!!


      Exactly! laughing

  • igordok
    igordok 11 September 2013 08: 13
    +5
    Why did 33% participate? Why does everyone give a fuck? Are all sure that the "bad" ones will not pass? In vain. There are few “gays” in Europe, but they are mobilizing for their own interests. And the normal ones are asleep. And now we got "Rainbow Europe".
    For the new one, 27% out of 33% of those who voted, it turns out less than one percent. He would not have been noticed. "Navalists" voted unanimously. And the rest, sane, slept. Next time they will oversleep Russia.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 September 2013 09: 12
      +7
      Quote: igordok
      Why did 33% participate? Why does everyone care

      If it were only in Moscow. This is a general trend across the country. People do not believe in the elections, do not believe in their honesty. And this trend began after the elections to the State Duma.
      It is time for those in power to think about why and start working in the interests of the people, and not themselves, loved ones and friends with a fat wallet, otherwise “bloody boys in their eyes” may appear. a completely unexpected character.
      And judging by these elections and the general situation in the country, this very character will soon appear, the point of no return, the snickering guys have already passed and even did not notice it. Their whole trouble is that they believed in their infallibility and in a solid, unshakable position .Because the guarantor guaranteed. But the guarantor is only a man, not God, God .......
      1. igordok
        igordok 11 September 2013 09: 26
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        If it were only in Moscow. This is a general trend in the country.

        If only for the country. Worldwide. And calling it democracy, they advance their interests.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 11 September 2013 10: 02
        +7
        Quote: baltika-18
        If it were only in Moscow. This is a general trend across the country. People do not believe in the elections, do not believe in their honesty. And this trend began after the elections to the State Duma.

        Nikolay, I think the problem is not only this.
        People do not see among the candidates those who would undoubtedly represent their interests.
        You have to choose between hot and wet. And then sometimes blame yourself for making the wrong choice. This is too difficult for the layman, despite the fact that he will not have any influence on the chosen official in the future.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 11 September 2013 10: 33
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          People do not see among the candidates those who would undoubtedly represent their interests.
          You have to choose between hot and wet. And then sometimes blame yourself for making the wrong choice. This is too difficult for the layman, despite the fact that he will not have any influence on the chosen official in the future.

          You are right, Vladimir. Just wrote about this more than once and honestly did not want to repeat it.
    2. PiP
      PiP 11 September 2013 14: 33
      0
      Quote: igordok
      Why did 33% participate? Why does everyone give a fuck? Are all sure that the "bad" ones will not pass? In vain.

      In what century did they rattle the dock off the weekend to go fishing for two days. And here it is necessary for the election? I already work in Moscow six days a week from morning to night. And one day off should hammer on all the affairs and go to vote? It would be nice if there was a choice from whom, otherwise one of the candidates and the program didn’t really have one. At least they saw Sobakin in action (don’t say a little Luzhkov manure), the bulk screamer-truth-cutter (another lawyer) is full of such, others are generally dark horses.
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  • shark
    shark 11 September 2013 08: 24
    +5
    To negotiate with this swindler is of course a mistake of Sobyanin's headquarters. Although I read that Sobyanin still refused to start talking, he just sent Navalny to the ass. What else worries, I climbed a lot of white tape resources and constantly came across the following thoughts, why 1,87 % percent should decide who will be the mayor. For them, the simple majority is no longer an indicator, no longer a criterion. They are all so creative, educated and know better than us how to lead this "stupid Sobyakin herd, nibbling sunflower seeds and drinking beer on benches" (by the way quote) in a bright life ...
    Hence the conclusion 1. It is impossible to agree on a constructive dialogue with these people. They have nothing concrete to offer the authorities to improve their lives. All that they offer is empty words.
    2. Strictly respond to all violations of the law within the framework of existing laws. There are no derogations. If the law is inaudible in a controversial situation, adopt new, more stringent ones.
    3. The most important thing. Bodies must constantly monitor opposition leaders, prevent the emergence of new ones and discredit the old in every possible way. Just for a period of 5 years these people cannot be stopped. Some combinations are possible, discrediting in the eyes of followers, everything ... until physical elimination.
    It’s time for the GDP to stop flirting with the liberals and show their teeth. In essence, the majority of the people expect this from him.
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 11 September 2013 08: 24
    +9
    So what? The authorities decided to play fair elections. Played. The result, taking into account the resource that was used under Sobyanin, is fair for fair elections. A high percentage of Bulk? The logical result of low turnout, in which the winner is the one who brought his supporters to the polls. Sobyanin has more, Navalny has fewer. If the turnout were higher, the result of Navalny would be less.
    But Navalny, with his 27%, is a trifle. Moscow is no longer Russia. More indicative is that the real assessment of the current government, taking into account the "minus" of the administrative resource - 30-40%. This is exactly what the KOIBs showed during the vote in the State Duma for the United Russia - a pure result, almost without any admixture of "stuffing" (KOIBs were feared by everyone, including "political strategists", although even here they did little or no).
    Low turnout is the problem. But this is not the problem of power - it will take its 50% by force mobilization, but the problem of society. A total aversion to politics and politicians can very strongly come back to our leaders.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 11 September 2013 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: serge-68-68
      But Navalny with its 27% is a trifle. Moscow is no longer Russia.

      Ento for sure, every 20 km from Moscow, minus the percentage of support for Navalny ...
    2. Zopuhhh
      Zopuhhh 11 September 2013 11: 36
      -5
      Oh, how ... And what resource was involved? You are clearly not from Moscow ...
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 11 September 2013 15: 29
        +2
        Normal - administrative and informational.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 11 September 2013 08: 29
    +3
    Quote: Micex
    who need protest for the sake of protest, and not for the sake of purpose or idea.

    You are definitely right +++, because the owners probably did not explain the "program" to Navalny, the main thing for them is destabilization ... but in troubled waters ...
    1. Micex
      Micex 11 September 2013 08: 40
      +2
      rather, it is to keep this cohort of people under control. bulk - a very muddy person, on the one hand - his anti-power slogans, on the other - he has access to very delicate documents + escaped prison. Therefore, who steers them is still a big question.
      1. Syrdon
        Syrdon 11 September 2013 11: 33
        +1
        everything suggests that he is a product of the Kremlin itself. No one has ever received such carte blanche in Russia. Here and the release from prison and turning a blind eye to obvious violations during the agitation, here and the strange behavior of Sobyanin, who did not position himself at all and documents in the hands of Navalny, which he could get only from the hands of those in power. I think that here Volodya decided to replay everyone, take control of the protest movement, and, according to the old KGB habit, I use Navalny in the dark. I think he may not even know what is playing for the Kremlin))) well, or his supporters.
        1. Micex
          Micex 11 September 2013 15: 28
          0
          this is exactly what I had in mind)
  • eplewke
    eplewke 11 September 2013 08: 32
    0
    In the furnace of this Anal! The marsh jester! The highgitler shouted near the skins with his hands, and then he wanted power. Spread it yourself. Such a road to power must be immediately blocked!
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 September 2013 08: 39
    +2
    Neither Naval.yh should be allowed to power. And the fact that members of the forum do not say Sobyanin S. "played too much", I completely agree. Underestimated the teacher of Naval.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 11 September 2013 08: 45
    -2
    Bulk from the word heaped ???, and forgot to remove !!! This clown is under criminal prosecution what the x ..... election. Or does someone need Moscow, not France ????
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 11 September 2013 08: 47
    +2
    Another would have been imprisoned a long time ago, but behind the Navalny State. Dep. The USA and the CIA, "our oligarchs" and most of the bureaucratic "elite" have money overseas. That's all.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 11 September 2013 08: 53
    +5
    In fact, there is no real (socio-economic) difference between Sobyanin / Putin and Navalny and K. Both are supporters of "market reforms", and those and other proteges of the big bourgeoisie.
    The only difference is that Sobyanin / Putin are people of the "old" Yeltsin bureaucratic bourgeoisie, who come from the degenerated Soviet nomenklatura, while Navalny is oriented toward the class of "new owners" gravitating to bureaucratic tutelage, and plus has the support of the Western bourgeoisie.
    As for the elections, the regime of bourgeois dictatorship has been established in the Russian Federation since 1993, so that the outcome of all significant elections is absolutely a foregone conclusion. Even only the right people are allowed to reach them.
    The authorities in this case needed the legitimization of Sobyanin through Navalny’s participation in the elections. Plus, this is their gift to the West. Navalny had to not go to jail, and with the help of a competent campaign campaign try to personally create a base for support in Moscow.
    Everyone got what they wanted.
    1. optimist
      optimist 11 September 2013 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      In fact, there is no real (socio-economic) difference between Sobyanin / Putin and Navalny and K. Both are supporters of "market reforms", and those and other proteges of the big bourgeoisie.

      You are absolutely right. On my own I will add: while the snickering mascara is puffing up with bad dough, the authorities can play these "elective performances" for the lovers as much as they want. Let's wait until the "storage" runs out of "bread" - as it was in St. Petersburg in October 1917 and another Lenin climbs on the "armored car" ...
  • 31231
    31231 11 September 2013 08: 54
    +2
    Won Yanukovych in the first round of elections received 35,32% of the vote. And sho, does not grieve.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 11 September 2013 08: 55
    +8
    Thanks Victor! It also seems to me that bulk is not just a person striving to get into big politics. Bulk is a project. (By the way. Recently, the same feeling has been created for me from reading the statements of the esteemed Professor.) Here Victor noted well:
    Get to know how any network company works - and you will see that the political company Navalny works the same way.
    And we must fight not with him, the conventional "Navalny", but with the leaders of this project. Cut off funding channels, identify persons cooperating with foreign states with the aim of harming Russia, conduct open trials over them and convict them for significant periods, etc. Our media should finally feel the breath of the State behind their backs. I blurted out nasty things about my native country - to the answer! Insulted the President - to answer! But we must begin to act! 27% of the bulk is an indicator. An indicator that the "liberals" are gaining strength. We must stop this.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 September 2013 09: 11
      +5
      Quote: retired
      Our media should finally feel the breath of the State behind their backs. I blurted out nasty things about my native country - to the answer! Insulted the President - to answer! But we must begin to act! 27% of the bulk is an indicator. An indicator that the "liberals" are gaining strength. We must stop this.

      So after all "we are not 37th year!" And in vain! We must not wait for a round date - 2037, but act now. And then you can't wait for the anniversary!
      1. 31231
        31231 11 September 2013 09: 39
        +2
        You can breed for slander. Although the plaintiffs probably do not want to get dirty most likely. Lechaim has long received the fame of "the jester of the pea" and his chatter is only dull youngsters.
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 11 September 2013 09: 45
        +1
        Hello, Elena! Nobody bothers to celebrate 80 years ... repeat You have to wait, of course, but less, less ...
  • Ogogoshka
    Ogogoshka 11 September 2013 09: 01
    +1
    The mountain of Russia will come with all kinds of Oval, from the side you can clearly see the hungry beast rushing to the trough.
  • Victor Kamenev
    11 September 2013 09: 01
    +3
    The network technologies used by bulk in politics, in fact, sectarian technologies are very tenacious, especially since they are well fed by grants. "Vlast", and not only in Russia, does not know how to resist them, does not even understand what it is dealing with, society is more and more inert, which was demonstrated by the past elections. The mind's dream is to give birth to monsters, and it already shows us its orange head ...

    There is only one way out: to wake the people up, to talk about the danger of networked political technologies in the conditions of a mass society, disunited to atoms. Of these atoms, a "network" is made up, promising its adherents a bright future from Monday to Tuesday, seducing them by the fact that they are supposedly the best, better than others, and therefore I have the right in relation to others, "cattle" .... This is how fascism is born. in their heads: we are the best, and the rest ... woe to them!
    There is only one way out, to create from "atoms" - people, with memory, culture, history, the networkers are powerless against it!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 11 September 2013 09: 10
      +2
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      There is only one way out: to wake up the people, to talk about the dangers of network political technologies in a mass society divided into atoms.

      I agree to all 100! The policy of cultivating individualism will not bring to good! The country will not bring.
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 15 September 2013 21: 46
      0
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      "Vlast", and not only in Russia, does not know how to resist them, does not even understand what it is dealing with,


      Come on you. The authorities understand everything perfectly, so they threw Navalny to the hamsters. Canalized the protest. Please note that with the promotion of Navalny, all kinds of Bolotny began to separate, mass fell, and young hamsters began to show controlled political activity. So far, so good.
  • sashka
    sashka 11 September 2013 09: 02
    +9
    If we happened to live in a democracy, then we need to know its true value: “Regarding a shameless person, generosity is excessive nonsense,” said the expert at the time of Ancient Rome Publius Sire.
    Author Victor Kamenev
    -------------------------------------------------- -----------------
    If we had a chance .. But somehow it does not happen .. Around some liberals onf and united Russia ..
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 11 September 2013 09: 07
    +6
    But I’m wondering what happened to those five years that they soldered to him? Forgive me, or what? So then he is completely cut off. Why then was all this circus with a court and a sentence? Then it would be better if they gave him some very important position, the work in which he would have failed successfully, since he is only able to bawl on the squares, or abandoned it (which most likely would have been), which would have shown his unwillingness and inability to really work for the good of the country.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 11 September 2013 09: 18
    +1
    ... second place of A. Navalny (27,24%) ...
    Hey, Moscow, are you crazy there?
    Every fourth voter for a henchman of the West and corrupt balabol?

    democracy completely leaked into you? Maybe through the anus, as it is now fashionable in your beloved west?

    27,24% ...
    That I am in shock. Really.
    Maskva separately, Russia separately. And I didn’t summarize, it’s you, Muscovites, you are going that way yourself.
    The country does not live like that at all, it has no time to go to the swamp.

    I never believed in disinterested troublemakers calling for the overthrow of power for the benefit of the people.
    Well, SHCHAZZZ ...

    - How do you feel about democracy, liberalism and tolerance? - asked Ivan the Terrible.
    - On stake !
    1. sashka
      sashka 11 September 2013 09: 53
      +2
      Aleks tv
      -------------
      I don’t understand .. You President and Prime Minister are calling for democracy, liberalism and tolerance. And you .. This is not good))) Moreover, the appeal .. And this is an article.
  • stpv1
    stpv1 11 September 2013 09: 18
    -3
    Navalny was voted by people who want to change the course of affairs in our country, namely the prevalence of corruption, ineffective and inadequate leadership. Sobyanin is part of this corruption system. Expensive apartments for two daughters in the center of Moscow and St. Petersburg, as they say where the money came from! Navalny boldly shows and explains all this, the apartment of one daughter is illegally privatized, the second daughter has a company that works fulfilling orders of the Khanty Mansiysk mayor’s office, the Russian Ministry of Defense, and the Moscow city hall.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 11 September 2013 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: stpv1
      People who want to change the course of affairs in our country have voted for Navalny,

      That's just they put it on the wrong one.
      1. sashka
        sashka 11 September 2013 10: 02
        +5
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        That's just they put it on the wrong one.

        And who should you bet on ..? I would bet on "gray mare" if there is any use .. There is simply no difference .. Reds came to rob, White came to rob, well, that's where the peasant should go .. How many years have passed and the words are prophetic ..
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 11 September 2013 12: 07
          0
          Quote: Sasha
          And who should you bet on ..? I would bet on "gray mare" if there is any use

          Though on a gray mare. Unless she runs after consultations to the enemies of our country. (Or to partners, as they are now called)
      2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 12 September 2013 00: 04
        0
        And there’s nothing more to put on Quiche ....
    2. 31231
      31231 11 September 2013 12: 03
      0
      Change ?! These cheaters in 17 and 91 were. And whatoooooo ?!
    3. evil hamster
      evil hamster 11 September 2013 12: 27
      +1
      Quote: stpv1
      People voted for Navalny
      Which is bad with the head. And also the lack of logic and sound thinking. As a Muscovite, I don’t have too many how many daughters Sobyanin has, I don’t like how many daughters have apartments, how many rooms there are in apartments, etc. I’m interested in how the future measures intend to solve city problems, what the city budget will do. I completely ignored this election campaign (in terms of debate there and everything related), I saw only the first debate in Russia 24. So what immediately caught my eye, your sectarian leader generally scored the city’s problems there, he searched the apartment for a pindil about Sobyanin’s daughters about his the election company, how the hell of a time he met with the voters, how he struggles with corruption steeply, how everything will be cool and transparent with him and if he just picks up corruption so soon and housing and communal services tariffs become fair, and traffic jams resolve and the Metro is built, etc. etc. In short, there is nothing in the case, only water, he didn’t intend to take any measure, he clan from the bell tower to this Moscow and Muscovites with their problems, his whole election, this is part of the political promotion, he just took advantage of the moment and paired up to gain political weight, at the same time squinting from cameras. Tell me what prevents you from understanding this quite obvious thing, or do you seriously believe that Alyosha wanted to become a measure and harness himself to managing the 12 millionth city for 5 years, solve problems, negotiate with the federal center - that is, really work ???
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 11 September 2013 09: 20
    +4
    The chief of staff of the candidate Leonid Volkov has already taken his family to Luxembourg:

    “We will find Navalny in every courtyard and arrange a power bucket. And after the election, what will happen, I don’t care - I’m leaving for Europe to do IT business ”

    But it's not that. they are not jammed harshly and painfully because the GDP is positioning the country before the West as civilized (and Echo Matzi is working, and Navalny is being elected ...).

    but the elections have passed, it’s possible for Lyokh to go and drag him ... all honestly.
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  • Grbear
    Grbear 11 September 2013 09: 34
    +2
    These choices cause me conflicting feelings.

    On the one hand, alternative elections. But in contrast to the EP, there are potential people under investigation who, in a bad situation, simply go to jail. That means they are not afraid.

    On the other hand, by allowing them to get out and win, the government teaches the destructive forces the rules, rather techniques, of waging a political war. It is not a fact that those who voted for N and R will not consolidate and will not start working in the inter-election period. They have enough teachers. And this is something else. This can become a normal "fifth column". And the last decade suggests that local authorities do not draw conclusions and cannot be trained. Example, Yekaterinburg - intraparty and bureaucratic rat rat allowed the "man from the street" to win. And it doesn't matter that United Russia will block Roizman in parliament. The fact remains.

    Conclusion: politics becomes the business of the whole people and sit out, although it is possible, but fraught.
  • dizelniy
    dizelniy 11 September 2013 09: 41
    +3
    In general, the operation to localize and control the most frostbitten part of the spontaneous protests was successful.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 11 September 2013 09: 42
    +5
    "What explains the success of Navalny? What explains the success of the orange revolutions, although everyone understands their true goals and driving forces?"
    The explanation is simple not the trust of the people of power, there is no sense of justice, equality of rights, when one is not 37 years old, but the other is 8-13 years old. There are no clear rules. Estimates of the personalities of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Chubais are not given ... You can ignore problems within the country as much as you like, but they will not be resolved from this, and it is important to solve them.
    I fully support state policy in the international arena, but none the less pleasant is the sluggish and toothless internal. We must turn our faces to the people, we must solve problems, and not shift them to the population, raising prices and tariffs.
    We do not have an understanding of our own history, what was good and what was bad in it, how can we understand who is better than Navalny or Sobyanin?
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 11 September 2013 21: 24
      +2
      Quote: Alex66
      No ratings are given to the personalities of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Chubais ...
      Here you are mistaken - ratings for the indicated characters from the side of the current Power have long been given:

      Gorbachev - Order of St. Andrew

      Yeltsin - Order of Merit to the Fatherland

      Chubais - Order of Merit to the Fatherland
  • erased
    erased 11 September 2013 09: 46
    +6
    One faction outplayed another. And the money will be sawed by the old sawers. In the end, corruption won out anyway, only in the Sobyanin version, not Navalny. That's all. The people are not hot or cold because of this. Like news from another world.
    1. optimist
      optimist 11 September 2013 11: 23
      +2
      Quote: erased
      In the end, corruption won out anyway, only in the Sobyanin version, not Navalny. That's all. The people are not hot or cold because of this. Like news from another world.

      I think so too. Another performance for the ochs has been played. As they say: thank you all, everyone is free (for now). And the people on the forum argue to the point of hoarseness: "from which end to break the egg: from the blunt or the sharp?" laughing
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 11 September 2013 09: 52
    +2
    for people from the periphery, elections in Moskvabad are like elections in another state to me personally no matter who won there, just people vote for the future welfare of Sobyanin and Navalny, after all the fuss with Navalny, I got the impression that it was the people of one team who argued which of them will become mayor
  • pensioner
    pensioner 11 September 2013 09: 57
    +7
    Quote: Soldier's grandson
    Navalny was voted by people who want to change the course of affairs in our country, namely the prevalence of corruption, ineffective and inadequate leadership.

    Oh oh Navalny with his biography has proved that he is also not averse to underestimating what is not pinned. Voted for him those for whom real values ​​are beyond the hill (and not just about money), those whose seniority is in offices and shops, those who instead of theaters and museums go with children to shopping centers, those who study managers and lawyers and those who run around with diplomas of managers and lawyers in a circle, not where for a long time lingering. Those. rubbish. It’s necessary to tidy up the country. Yes, power will not go anywhere. Have to.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 11 September 2013 10: 15
      +4
      this is not my comment, look carefully
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 11 September 2013 10: 23
        +2
        Quote: Soldier's grandson
        this is not my comment, look carefully

        Excuse me hi It happened... repeat
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 10: 00
    10
    Somehow like this:

    Yours! hi
    1. sashka
      sashka 11 September 2013 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      Somehow like this:

      Continue the list is there an opportunity?
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 10: 20
        +3
        Well, here's another, dear Alexander:

        I hope it ends for them like this:

        Yours! hi
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 12: 53
          +4
          But what about the elections in Moscow, wrote a certain "socialite" Bozena Rynska, better known for the exclamations "I am Bozena!", When riot policemen, who did not understand anything in glamor, dragged her into the funnels ...
          Mostly retired people went to vote. I have always been good to old people. Unlike children, they never annoyed me, because they did not make vile sounds, but rather touched me. But today I suddenly felt a terrible uterine hatred for the stream of grandmothers-grandfathers - the first time in my life. I wanted almost all of them to go to the forefathers as soon as possible.

          Because of this undead generation, who hawks all the shit that defecates Putin’s TV set, our generation suffers because of these humble mumu — they bring monstrous, fateful interferences into the election landscape. There is not so much left for them to survive, and our century is really stuck with our second vote. The outgoing nature should not influence the flowering and creating life.
          Cruel, but still true.

          http://becky-sharpe.livejournal.com/1945730.html

          Take a look at this disgusting mug. The country should know its "heroes" by sight ...
          1. pahom54
            pahom54 11 September 2013 14: 12
            +4
            That is the question - why nobody will beat this suuuucharu ??? To speak about the old people is vile and mean. Bozena Rylsk - damn, like a curse ... Rylsk she is Rylsk ...
          2. Hon
            Hon 11 September 2013 14: 21
            +2
            But wasn’t she talking about people with disabilities? Yesterday I read something like that about the disabled. It seems the lady is completely not friends with the head.
          3. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 11 September 2013 14: 28
            +1
            "Secular lioness" is an interesting title - this is a profession or position. A lot of them divorced something
            1. Hon
              Hon 11 September 2013 14: 33
              0
              Quote: ivshubarin
              "Secular lioness" is an interesting title - this is a profession or position. A lot of them divorced something

              Hint at a sanitary shooting? laughing
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 11 September 2013 14: 44
                +1
                Milkmaids and weavers are not enough, why shoot
            2. AlNikolaich
              AlNikolaich 11 September 2013 18: 46
              0
              Quote: ivshubarin
              "Secular lioness" is an interesting title - this is a profession or position. A lot of them divorced something

              Apparently this is a new interpretation of the name of the oldest female profession. Like: "- Get out of here bl ..-oh, such a socialite! -". laughing
  • VladimS
    VladimS 11 September 2013 10: 00
    +3
    You’re right, Lena. A bulk of empty slabs, an outlet of a kind. I have no doubt that this is a project controlled by the authorities.

    That's right. The question is, whose control is the power of the Kremlin or the State Department.
    And here I strongly doubt that the first.
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  • little man
    little man 11 September 2013 10: 05
    +4
    And if you ask yourself what the opposition wants? The collapse of the country? Nonsense. We are all in the same boat. We live in the same cities, breathe the same air, our children go to the same schools. But you can not let the reptiles get away with the humiliation of the people and the collapse of Russia. It is impossible to leave these thieves, bandits, in power only because they seem to have no substitute, and there will never be one - they will not let anyone in! So personally, I will vote at least for a locksmith, at least for a janitor, but in defiance of these grabbers, womanizer, fishermen who do not care about the country.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 11 September 2013 10: 05
    +2
    it’s okay with a general turnout of a third and he scored his entire protest electorate, with a turnout of about 100% this will be 10% as political scientists said. But the white movement will not pick up anymore either. A game on the verge of a foul with the second round is a precisely calculated combination of the Kremlin.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 11 September 2013 10: 20
      +6
      greetings to all hi

      Vladimir Putin is a great grandmaster. The elections in Moscow were not just like that. Early resignation from the post of mayor of Sobyanin was clearly not without consultations with Vladimir Putin. More than sure that the early resignation was Putin’s own idea. Asks why. To knock out the trump cards from gaining popularity Navalny. "You wanted to get the elections." And at the same time, a warning to those governors and mayors. , a warning to the systemic opposition, which includes the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, etc. "You work poorly, the non-systemic opposition is on your heels, and in some places it has bypassed in popularity."
      Of course, these words, taken by me in quotation marks, do not mean that they were voiced by V.V. Putin, they just beg for themselves.


      infographics on a given topic.
      1. Manager
        Manager 11 September 2013 11: 03
        -4
        Quote: Apollon
        "You work poorly, non-systemic opposition is on your heels, and in some places it has bypassed in popularity."


        Somewhere? Yes, everyone voted for Navalny. If there were no fraud, Bulk would have 70% of the vote. I live in Moscow and hear what people are talking about. No one has voted for Sobyanin. And you say the Liberal Democratic Party, etc. do not work well. Yes, they are just ridiculous with their 2% of votes. Navalny had 24% according to official, but not official as 70% said.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 11 September 2013 12: 02
          0
          Quote: Manager
          Quote: Apollon
          "You work poorly, non-systemic opposition is on your heels, and in some places it has bypassed in popularity."


          Somewhere? Yes, everyone voted for Navalny. If there were no fraud, Bulk would have 70% of the vote. I live in Moscow and hear what people are talking about. No one has voted for Sobyanin. And you say the Liberal Democratic Party, etc. do not work well. Yes, they are just ridiculous with their 2% of votes. Navalny had 24% according to official, but not official as 70% said.

          C'mon, you take above 150% would have scored and if you still vote a couple of times then 250%. Boring, pissing type. He didn’t ask anyone, no one voted for him, and many who didn’t go said that if there would be a 2nd round they would definitely come to vote against Obvalniy. as his slogan said you want to betray Russia, start from Moscow.
          1. Manager
            Manager 11 September 2013 12: 27
            +2
            Quote: ed65b
            Come on you take above 150% would score

            Listen, I live in Moscow. And probably actively interested in past elections. So there is no need to exaggerate here. Out of place. By the way, I did not vote for Navalny. From that, I think the disadvantages are simply from the poor-minded people who just need to get along without soil.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 15 September 2013 21: 57
              0
              Quote: Manager
              And probably he was actively interested in past elections


              I do not live in Moscow, but I probably did a little these elections. And when someone says “I asked anyone - everything is for Navalny,” I get bored. You stand at the metro station and interview 50 people from 8-00 to 9-00, then from 11-00 to 12-00, then from 15-00 to 16-00. And you will see that even these polls differ significantly. For by 8-00 hard workers go from the metro, and by 15-00 hamsters who have gone crazy with boredom. And you asked people from your party for their opinion, and you are trumping them here. Relax. Try to get into some pre-election headquarters for an organizational meeting, and you will very quickly understand what reality is, and not the opinion of the guys from your party.
      2. evil hamster
        evil hamster 11 September 2013 12: 38
        +4
        Thank you very characteristic picture, as I thought my scarlet is dark blue, and most of them will live in the center, Th and it was necessary to prove.
  • dizelniy
    dizelniy 11 September 2013 10: 10
    +3
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    Today, 09: 46

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    One faction outplayed another. And the money will be sawed by the old sawers. In the end, corruption won out anyway, only in the Sobyanin version, not Navalny. That's all. The people are not hot or cold because of this. Like news from another world.

    I think this is the same group.
  • tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 11 September 2013 10: 18
    +2
    Muscovites did not go to vote because they did not consider themselves cattle and did not want to participate in this staging show. Sabyanin, Navalny and others, they all have one master, and everyone perfectly understands this. And, the main task of these elections in Moscow was to remove Prokhorov and they succeeded. It’s bitter and funny to look at all this. I can only be glad for Yekaterinburg.
    PS I am not a supporter of Prokhorov, but I am not a member of the "kardeballet" either.
    1. Manager
      Manager 11 September 2013 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: tverskoi77
      was to remove Prokhorov and they succeeded.

      Prokhorov was suspended before the election .... so by the way.
      1. tverskoi77
        tverskoi77 11 September 2013 12: 39
        +1
        Prokhorov was suspended before the election .... so by the way.
        this is what I had in mind by organizing elections ahead of schedule. There were no other reasons for the election in Moscow.
    2. wax
      wax 11 September 2013 13: 10
      +1
      Prokhorov is generally a political zero, while rotating zero it doesn’t matter at which turn he stops - there will still be zero.
      1. tverskoi77
        tverskoi77 11 September 2013 15: 53
        0
        Prokhorov - generally political zero

        The town governor should be a business executive manager first of all, even for our huge and politicized capital. Residents of any city will not care about the political views of their mayor, the main thing is warm in the houses and that the sewage system does not flow through the streets (so conditionally).
        Already sick of the sewer and politicians)))
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 11 September 2013 10: 23
    11
    People did not vote for Navalny; they voted against Putin. Considering how many people came to the polls, the victory of any candidate looks ridiculous.
    1. igor12
      igor12 11 September 2013 17: 01
      0
      And what do you dislike about Putin?
      1. Hon
        Hon 11 September 2013 17: 12
        +4
        Corruption, specifically Putin does not like Serdyukov, Chubais, Skrynik, as well as the Olympics for 40 billion, Kvachkov’s sentence, etc.
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 11 September 2013 20: 30
        +2
        if you list with what I don’t like, it will take too much time and place, and in short, I don’t like the fact that we don’t have the economy, we don’t have power, we have constant price increases, corruption is booming, people have been humiliated to full nobodies. is this not enough for you?
        1. 31231
          31231 11 September 2013 21: 40
          -2
          I hope they lived in the 90s ?! Well, compare with that negative list.
          "We have a high, we are losing, we are sorry." Who told you that the replacement would be better ?!
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 12 September 2013 05: 54
            +3
            What to compare with the 90s? that in our history there was no other time, we were embarrassed like that, so right away either the 37 year old or the 90th paranoia or something
          2. dizelniy
            dizelniy 17 September 2013 19: 55
            0
            Putin is not the center of attention, the lack of the concept of development, the country, science, the army, industry, regions. Everyone is waiting for investments, and trillions in rubles, lie in the west. We need to end with this, personnel policy, you don’t even need to comment.
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 12 September 2013 00: 49
          -1
          Quote: vladsolo56
          do not like the fact that we have no economy
          Becoming the fourth economy in the world, bypassing Germany to say that there is no economy is stupid ... The smallest external debt and after that to say that there is no economy ...
          we have a constant rise in prices,
          Inflation, there is always, it still has more than 2 times more geyropeyskoy. and before and over 100 # rolls over. The market economy itself, inflation is suspected ...
          man was humiliated to complete insignificance

          yeah, and this is the most insignificance, according to your words, all resorts were documented abroad. And the other day according to German data, Russia came out on the first place in sales of cars, again surpassing Germany, and so far no one has managed to get around in Europe.
          This, by the way, is one of the main indicators of well-being ...
          1. chehywed
            chehywed 12 September 2013 01: 08
            0
            Quote: Russ69
            Russia entered the 1 first place in sales of cars, again surpassing Germany, but so far no one has managed to get around in Europe.
            This, by the way, is one of the main indicators of well-being ...

            Wait a bit, now supporters "all requested polymers" they draw me down minuses, and they will explain to you about the dangers of loans and the general illusory nature of well-being. laughing
            1. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 12 September 2013 05: 57
              +2
              Yes, rejoice who is stopping you, only behind that screen of well-being there is an abyss growing into which we can fail. You can't see her behind your pink glasses. This alone does not mean that it does not exist at all.
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 12 September 2013 11: 42
                0
                Quote: vladsolo56
                Yes, rejoice who is stopping you, only behind that screen of well-being there is an abyss growing into which we can fall
                Uh ... In your opinion, I should rejoice in poverty, for nowhere to fail ..... smile
                The bourgeoisie came up with a good excuse

                And who is the bourgeois, if you mean me, then on what basis, at least ...
                Ah, your Navalny, what is the proletarian ...? smile
          2. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 12 September 2013 09: 02
            0
            The bourgeoisie came up with a good excuse
            Quote: Russ69
            Inflation, there is always, it still has more than 2 times more geyropeyskoy. and before and over 100 # rolls over. The market economy itself, inflation is suspected ...
            Inflation and that’s it, but the people hung their ears, nods, they seem to even understand what inflation is. And inflation is the elementary greed and gluttony of the bourgeoisie, they just have little and little, and so they raise prices.
  • S-200
    S-200 11 September 2013 10: 27
    +4
    For some reason it seems to me that at the Moscow elections of the central Russian government it was necessary to identify quantitatively the "protest electorate" of the capital ...
    Therefore, political strategists, psychologists, sociologists, having analyzed the populist election platform of Navalny, recommended not to press with isolation, but only to discredit them with “dirty deeds” - “letting off steam” in “fair” elections ...
    Let us recall the rise of Yeltsin in the wake of cheap populism at congresses of the CPSU and the Supreme Council of the USSR ... Oh, what a charismatic fighter with privileges and partocracy! (I wonder who would now give up the pleasure of putting him and a hunchbacked bullet in the scruff ?)
    It’s always useful for the authorities to know under what slogans it is possible to organize a protest movement in the capital and how many "electorate" will respond to it ...
    Sobyanin’s actions during the election campaign must be evaluated in terms of the execution of the Kremlin’s instructions, and of course, his personal qualities as a leader and person.
    1. S-200
      S-200 11 September 2013 10: 50
      +4
      while composing a replica ... colleagues ALREADY managed to express similar opinions ... hi
      in general, we (who are over 40) on the State Department chaff DO NOT ALREADY TAKE! stop
  • Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 11 September 2013 10: 34
    +3
    The whole problem of these elections in Moscow (and not only in Moscow) is a very low voter turnout.
    About 25% came to Moscow, of which about 50% came from Sobyanin, and about 30% came from Navalny.
    It turns out that for Sobyanin about 12% of the city’s inhabitants, about 6% for Navalny. And these little things decide for everyone ?! And the rest just doesn't care who and how will manage them!
  • Aney
    Aney 11 September 2013 10: 50
    0
    "Orange bacchanalia" ...
    Either the author has a hysteria, or psychological difficulties - aggravated phobias.
    Even if Navalny stole the entire forest and leads his supporters by the nose, you could see all this using the example of Moscow (after all, if he had been chosen, he would have been in such close attention both from the authorities and from society like no one else), if if he showed himself as the same Yushchenko, for the authorities it would be just a gift, they would show him in all his glory and for a long time discouraged those 27% from believing any opposition. What if not? Well, that's not Yushchenko and that's it .. Well, really would take up the order for the social sphere for crooks? THIS IS THIS and the existing "servants" are afraid, it would be the beginning of their end ...
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 11 September 2013 12: 50
      0
      Don’t let you choose it better as an experiment, but we’ll do something like that.
    2. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 11 September 2013 14: 39
      0
      You better look at the election results in general:

      Sobyanin - non-partisan
      Bulk - de facto self-nominated
      ----
      nominees from parliamentary parties with micro results. What is this talking about? That people this company in the Duma is already at the cross of the throat.
      1. Aney
        Aney 11 September 2013 14: 52
        -1
        Sobyanin - EP
        Navalny is not any kind of parnassus.
        But that doesn’t mean anything. There is no party politics in Russia. Well, people don’t believe such an education as PARTY. There were so many of them ... and in every crook ...
        Only a person is able to receive the support of society.
        1. Sergey_K
          Sergey_K 11 September 2013 15: 27
          +1
          Sobyanin - EP

          - SOBYAN SELF-PROMOTION!
          1. Aney
            Aney 11 September 2013 18: 11
            +1
            formally yes
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 12 September 2013 00: 58
          0
          Quote: Aney
          Navalny is not any kind of parnassus.

          In general, I won’t understand who ... was nominated by PARNAS, the EP gave him a vote, at the request of Sabyanin ...
          Clown, in a word ....
  • Sukharev
    Sukharev 11 September 2013 10: 52
    +6
    A striking example of what democracy leads to is well described in Shakespeare's tragedy "Coreolan"
    I’ll give an excerpt that very accurately characterizes the crowd
    "
    (Crowd.)
    Rebel rabble, why,
    Scabbling his intentions yielding,
    You combed the scabs?

    First citizen

    Forever
    You will find a good word for us!

    Marcius

    Who will say a good word to you
    That vile smoothie.
    (Crowd.)
    What do you mongrels need
    Neither peace nor war unhappy?
    War instills fear in you, arrogance is peace.
    Believe in you a little, so instead of foxes and lions
    You will find geese and hares. You are reliable
    Like hot coals on ice
    Ile gradients in the sun. Are you used to
    To punish the punished villains,
    The black law is punishing. Are you full
    Enmity to those who sought the friendship of glory.
    Your desires are the whims of the patient:
    What you can’t do is attract you.
    He who seeks support in you is floating
    Lead fin hitching, il chopping
    Cane oak. Madness - believe in you
    Changing every minute opinions,
    Exalting those who hate
    Was you yesterday, and vilifying
    Favorite of the past! Why curse
    Are you our noble senate everywhere?
    After all, don’t keep you and the gods in fear,
    You gobbled up each other b.
    "
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 11 September 2013 12: 27
      +1
      Quote: Sukharev
      A striking example of what democracy leads to is well described in Shakespeare's tragedy "Coreolan"
      I’ll give an excerpt that very accurately characterizes the crowd

      Strong! hi
  • 1536
    1536 11 September 2013 10: 54
    +6
    I want to tell you about the pre-election week, during which I was at the international book exhibition at VDNKh for several days. This exhibition was announced in advance as a "propaganda point" for the upcoming elections. And what? Of course, everything that can be poured out of the garbage cans on the country and its people are "writers" from large publishing houses, for some reason claiming to be oracles, as well as visitor politicians from different parties, who will soon be led by the arm, and just crazy with aggravation (autumn, you know), they poured out. An unpleasant aftertaste remained from everything heard and seen. But this is a book exhibition, and millions of people will read this advertised and replicated abomination presented as the latest achievements of Russian literature. I’m not for censorship, but I’m not for the fact that you can throw mud at your people and your country for money. Although, if you look closely, many already feel like such people of the world, and not citizens of "this" country, in which they only earn money on someone else's stupidity, and live like migratory birds. It seems to me that common sense will prevail among people, the sense of self-preservation will work. Only for this it is necessary to tell what happened to ordinary people during the years of "perestroika", who did not steal or deceive, but simply lived, worked and considered themselves citizens of the Great country, and put in place the presumptuous "custom hacks", parodists-humorists and etc. rabble, entrenched in the field of culture and media.
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  • Manager
    Manager 11 September 2013 10: 59
    -2
    As Moskvich say. Almost no one voted for Sobyanin. The reason is that he is more crap than doing good. All my friends voted who for whom but no one voted for Sobyanin. On Friday, 2 days before the elections, invitations to the rally in honor of the victory of the reindeer herder had already floated in the social networks.
    I will not disclose my political views, but my vote would not be for Sobyanin. The reason is that in fact I already didn’t care who, but not just another EP seedling. I wanted justice, simply put. But not fate. I will not even spray myself.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 11 September 2013 11: 03
      +2
      need to vote for the communists
      1. Manager
        Manager 11 September 2013 11: 10
        0
        Quote: Soldier's grandson
        need to vote for the communists

        You need to vote for strong leaders. Personalities with a capital letter. And not for clowns that he throws from the Communists to the Democrats, and then again to the Communists.
        1. dizelniy
          dizelniy 11 September 2013 19: 43
          0
          You need to vote for the concept of development, a strong personality without a concept is Yeltsin-Putin, and the country is given to feed close ones. It’s a shame to say that we have the most educated population, all natural resources, science, advanced technologies in organization and management since the times of the USSR, and we eke out a miserable existence in the rank of a semi-colony discussing the election of one person within the country without realizing where he will lead us, think that do with us.
          1. 31231
            31231 11 September 2013 21: 46
            +1
            Wow?! Hemisphere ?!
            Only Obama does not think so, and most Western countries. For some reason, they are afraid of a country with a 5th GDP and a 3rd military budget.
            1. dizelniy
              dizelniy 12 September 2013 12: 36
              0
              Our revenue from the sale of natural resources is located abroad and no one will return it to us, we simulate our currency for the receipt of currency in the Central Bank, this percentage is not determined in Russia. Import substitution is not carried out, the permitted portion of foreign exchange earnings is spent on the purchase of goods abroad. The value of GDP is determined by export deliveries of energy carriers by 40-45%, all of these are signs of a semi-colonial economy. Open the website of M. Khazin DEN, and Glazyev-assistant to the president.
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 11 September 2013 12: 57
      +3
      So what? I am also a Muscovite, and I personally know only one person who voted for Navalny and a bunch of those who voted for the reindeer herder, including myself. We will find out which of us is more Muscovite? Or do we agree that extrapolating our personal experience to 12 mil people is somewhat unscientific?
    3. arnulla
      arnulla 11 September 2013 13: 30
      +3
      Otkel know that "almost no one voted for Sobyanin"? Are you "Navalny's brother"?))) The style of riding over the ears is very similar ...
      1. Manager
        Manager 11 September 2013 14: 11
        -1
        Quote: arnulla
        Are you "Navalny's brother"?)))

        I am the brother of the eldest person who conducted independent surveys at the exit from the Isbercoms. (Well, of course he’s not the only one, but in general he has statistics)
        1. arnulla
          arnulla 11 September 2013 19: 38
          +1
          Independent polls?))) HA-HA ... Who did the surveys for? Well, the customer, in the sense of who? Who paid? To whom did the results of the survey go? Do you really believe that your bullshit, which you give us here, will impress someone? How old are you? Yes, and then, in my opinion, you messed up sites ...
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 15 September 2013 22: 01
          0
          Quote: Manager
          which conducted independent polls at the exit from the Isberkom.


          And what percentage of evaders? So, to test your phrase wink
    4. dizelniy
      dizelniy 11 September 2013 16: 38
      -4
      You are probably from the banks of the Hudson or the Potomac.
  • 787nkx
    787nkx 11 September 2013 11: 11
    +5
    It would be nice to find out where the money comes from Navalny, such promotion and PR are expensive. He has no specific merits and achievements for the good of the State, and accordingly rises into the political arena with someone's help. It was possible to foresee with 100% certainty that Navalny would not pass, but these guys were not embarrassed, they are working for a more distant future, and are ready to invest accordingly more than one election. I think that many Russians are surprised where Navalny got so many votes , because "Navalny" is practically a common noun curse.
    I think the authorities should be preoccupied with the organizers, sources, causes and consequences of this fact.
    The election of the mayor of Moscow showed that any extraordinary clown and rogue can come to power under certain conditions. Asking society for power - how has this become possible and what are you going to do about this ???
    1. Manager
      Manager 11 September 2013 11: 19
      0
      Quote: 787nkx
      It would be nice to find out where the money from Navalny is, such promotion and PR are expensive.


      I will answer. He employs more than 30 altruistic hamsters who are simply against the rule of EP. At the same time, many not only help him with PR, etc. (students), but many help with money (adults). So the answer is people's money. This is what scares that for him, unfortunately, the people.
      I will say as I said before. I just dream that Navalny would go through a lie detector. For if lying, it will open the eyes of the people. If he doesn’t lie, a new strong leader has appeared in Russia.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 11 September 2013 12: 15
        +1
        Quote: Manager
        . More than 30 altruistic hamsters work for him.

        You call them "people"?
        1. Manager
          Manager 11 September 2013 12: 32
          0
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          You call them "people"?

          Everyone has their own point of view. And this is good. This is better than being a herd of sheep. These people did not call for coups, etc. And they just worked for their idea. Especially since the lie detector was not Navalny will pass, people do not consider themselves deceived.
          Therefore, I call them people.
          1. arnulla
            arnulla 11 September 2013 13: 35
            +1
            So the bulk just has a herd. Baranov. Fuck ..x in the mouth. So their very Fuhrerk nicknamed them.
          2. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus 11 September 2013 13: 55
            +1
            But again, that does not work for that. And where did they get the idea from? I, too, do not like either corruption or bureaucratic lawlessness. But it infuriates me even more when those who seem to be fighting against this are running for consultations with McFaul. From this I conclude that this struggle is only a cover for true goals, far from the well-being of our country
          3. 31231
            31231 11 September 2013 14: 24
            +1
            Everyone has their own point of view.

            Everyone has what they have. And gulp about it on every corner is stupid.

            And they just worked for their idea.

            You have to work for money and in good conscience.

            Therefore, I call them people.

            The people in the Great Patriotic War defended the country, but these people don’t even draw on the nationality, so the Hamster Family.

            "To nurse, not to roll bags." An old saying, but only serious people honor it. Before you get into power somewhere, show yourself to be a sensible manager and business executive. And VILENIN pushed populist slogans.
          4. Botanologist
            Botanologist 15 September 2013 22: 04
            0
            Quote: Manager
            Especially since the lie detector was not Navalny will pass, people do not consider themselves deceived.


            Cool. If you were thrown on a drive, then without a detector you are not considered to be thrown. Logic, however ... belay
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 12 September 2013 01: 02
        0
        Quote: Manager
        If he doesn’t lie, a new strong leader has appeared in Russia.

        More precisely, another thief on the neck of the people ...
    2. Hon
      Hon 11 September 2013 17: 06
      +3
      Go to his website and you will find out everything, he is cunning collecting donations for e-wallets, he’s not running badly, he gives all the data and impressive amounts, recently Zhirik was crucified about this, convicted him.
  • onegin61
    onegin61 11 September 2013 11: 25
    0
    30% of the possible votes, of which 51%, a total of 15% in total and 1,37% for approval in the position without a second round is a flimsy "victory", especially since they are in such a hurry to take office on September 14. , without haste, let them recount the votes and not according to the protocols of precinct commissions, but real ballots, in the presence of representatives of all parties and immediately compare whether the protocols of precinct commissions in the territorial commissions were not rewritten when drawing up a consolidated protocol for districts. If so, the article is serious - change voting results and, as a result, the system of power in the constituent entity of the Russian Federation
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 11 September 2013 11: 36
    +4
    <<< While ostensibly showing their nobility, in reality Sobyanin's strategists “throw pearls before the pigs”, apparently not knowing this biblical parable, because then “the pigs will turn” against them. They give Navalny a reason to continue blackmailing, which he will definitely use. Not to mention what they can do to him, an obvious demagogue, a political biography. This is a very great service. >>>
    That's right! It’s completely incomprehensible for WHO or why we need this fuss with a frank dummy, why give it significance, and with it all this hand-shaking bohemian-party-girl belolentkoy glamor, which apart from myself beloved and Western LGBT values, in Russia REPRESENTS ANYTHING AND ANYTHING!
  • Ddhal
    Ddhal 11 September 2013 11: 37
    +2
    You are like the Polish press about Russia .... I read 5 paragraphs, then it became disgusting. All around are fools ... Yes, we should be glad that they have finally stopped manipulating and distorting ... Your anger is upsetting .. We have more important problems and inciting a civil war looks like an undermining of the integrity of the state. We have only "partners" around and beyond. There are still patriots in Russia, and little dogs bark at everyone ..
    1. Manager
      Manager 11 September 2013 11: 47
      0
      Quote: DDHAL
      that finally stopped juggling and distorting

      Not sure.
      Quote: DDHAL
      We have more important problems and inciting a civil war looks like undermining the integrity of the state.

      Here I agree. Only traitors are capable of this.
      Quote: DDHAL
      There are still patriots in Russia

      There were and will be.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 11 September 2013 11: 57
      0
      Quote: DDHAL
      little dogs bark at all.

      The barking of small dogs on the passers-by suggests that it was a pleasure for the owners and they did not teach their animals the correct behavior. Any dogs are trained and trained. The main thing is to want the owner.
      1. Manager
        Manager 11 September 2013 13: 21
        +1
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Any dogs are trained and trained. The main thing is to want the owner.

        It somehow sounds insulting to be honest. People in the elections make their choice. And if this choice differs from yours, this is not a reason to call people small dogs that need to be trained. IMHO.

        PS I repeat, I did not vote for Navalny, but I respect people who have their own point of view. At one time, Yeltsin also chose the people, so now what is the reason people call barking mongrel? Do not smack nonsense! She is in pain.