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Russian under the banner of the Rising Sun

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History This started from October 25 1922, when the Red forces occupied Vladivostok, and the White Primorye ceased to exist. Thousands of refugees poured across the border. Most of them, as well as the remnants of military units of generals Semenov, Diterikhs, Verzhbitsky, Molchanov, Sakharov left for Manchuria, which belonged to China at that time. Harbin has rightfully become the capital of Russian emigration. a major city on the Chinese Eastern Railway, later sung in a pseudo-émigré song. Even before the civil war, this city was a major trading, transport and cultural center of Asia. Most of the refugees from Russia settled in it, breathing a second wind into the city. A significant number of emigrants also settled at the station-settlements scattered along the entire CER line.


Russian under the banner of the Rising Sun

Entry of the People's Revolutionary Army of the FER in Vladivostok. 1922 year

The composition of this emigre wave was very mixed: Cossacks and soldiers, officers and railway workers, criminal elements and merchants.

Many of the white parts, crossing the border, retained their personal weapons. Constant fighting in China, the presence of a large number of Hunghuz gangs in Manchuria and, consequently, continuous violence, led to a large degree of criminalization of society. The presence of experienced White-Immigrant cadres allowed the Japanese military authorities to create and constantly maintain a warlike spirit in Russian White emigres, preparing a well-prepared “fifth column” for their aggressive objectives.

In 1925, the "Russian Fascist Organization" was formed, by 1931, it grew into a party. The party was led by a former Soviet student from Blagoveshchensk Konstantin Rodzaevsky. By the end of the 1930s, it had up to 23 thousands of members united in the 48 departments in the territory of 18 countries.


Russian Fascist Organization, Harbin

Under the party’s Supreme Council, there was a “Training Unit (team) of the WFTU” of 40 members. The squad had 67 rifles, 18 Mauser pistols, 4 machine guns and 6 light machine guns, 25 hand grenade crates. In 1938 year weapon It was seized by the Japanese, but then it was returned. The commander of the detachment, Colonel N.A. Martynov.
General Lieutenant G.M. Semenov.
The leader of the Far Eastern emigration was Ataman General Lieutenant G.M. Semenov. From the time of the Civil War, he had close contacts with Japanese military representatives, nurturing plans to create various buffer states on the territory of the Soviet Far East, Siberia and Transbaikalia. Some leaders of the Japanese command saw in Semenov a potential ruler of the state of Siberia-Go. puppet-like Manchukuo.



The ataman had at his disposal a permanent agent network on Soviet territory and his own military units from the Cossacks.

By the end of the thirties, the Ataman subordinated the following forces:
1. Mongol-Buryat brigade of three regiments under the command of Lieutenant-General Urzhin;
2. Two brigades of Transbaikalian Cossacks;
3. The personnel of the two military schools and the Cossacks in Harbin;
4. Border and police units, with a total of up to 2500 bayonets;
5. Security detachments on concessions;
6. The Tientsin Russian Volunteer Corps of General Glebov and military courses;
7. Personnel infantry and cavalry regiments and artillery batteries.

In January 1945, Semenov announced the subordination of his 60-thousandth army to General Vlasov and the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia. Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces of the KONR, Major General F.I. Trukhin claimed in his diary that he had sent several officers to Semenov in the Far East on a secret mission.

Lt. Col. Isimura. Chief of 2 (intelligence) department of the headquarters of the Kwantung Army. suggested gm Semenov begin training White emigre detachments.

At the trial, Semenov was blamed for writing letters to Hitler, but the mere fact of writing these messages cannot be regarded as a statement of loyal feelings. Semenov hated Hitler as well as Stalin and argued that the victory of Hitler would not be a defeat of the people, but the defeat of Stalin. Ataman perfectly understood that the brown ideology does not suit Russia for a number of reasons, and the first one. it is a multinational state.

After the occupation of Manchuria by Japan and the creation of the puppet state of Manzhou-Guo, contacts of the Russian military emigration with the Japanese command intensified. Small detachments were reduced to larger units. Thus, in the summer of 1932, General Kosmin created two formations of several hundred people each. The Japanese command promised to create on their base the White Army of Manzhou-Guo, but subsequently introduced them into the Kwantung Army.

In 1934, at the initiative of the Japanese military mission (JWM), a new governing body for the affairs of the Russian emigration appeared in Harbin, called the “Bureau of the Affairs of the Russian Emigrants” (BREM). The bureau consisted of five divisions:
1. Cultural and educational (led. S. Rodzaevsky);
2. Military educational. was in charge of military training of emigrants;
3. Registration. he was the one who was engaged in the selection of future cadres of intelligence and sabotage subunits from emigrants, the same department carried out the “coverage” of emigration for Japanese intelligence;
4. Economic and financial.

From the structure and tasks of the Bureau, it becomes clear that, creating it, the Japanese sought to establish full control over emigration. The leadership of the Bureau consisted of Rodzaevsky, whom we mentioned earlier, his right hand in the fascist organization MA. Matkovsky, generals A.P. Baksheev, V.A. Kislitsyn and others.

In 1931, after the Japanese occupation, the Keovakai Society was created to establish total police control over the local population. This “state” militant body set as its main goal the struggle against any manifestation of red propaganda and communism. The Russian department of this society collaborated with BREM. In 1940, Russian emigrants were admitted to the volunteer squad. These squads were in fact the prototype of the “Police of the Order”, created on the territory of Russia by the German occupiers. In addition to the squads, courses were opened for the preparation of the command personnel for Russian detachments and squads.

Control over the white immigrants was also established by the military gendarmerie of the Kwantung Army. Kempei. Kostya Nakamura, a gangster in the past, was assigned to the Nazis.

The role of the Japanese Abwehr and the SD in one person was carried out by the Tokumu Kikan special purpose body. It was a top secret unit at the 2 department of the General Staff of the Imperial Army. He was headed by Colonel Doihara Kenji, who had the title of "Manchu Lawrence."

For their purposes, the Japanese actively developed the Cossacks. Thus, during interrogation in 1945, the former head of the Union of Cossacks in the Far East, General Baksheev, captured by SMERSH, showed that: “For the purpose of military training of the White Cossacks for the upcoming armed struggle against the Soviet Union, I issued an order according to which all members of the Union Cossacks in the Far East "capable of carrying weapons, were enrolled in the regimental regiments ...

The Japanese Military Mission has always supported events related to the military training of white émigrés, and participated in the creation of white-guard units. ”

As mentioned above, in the summer of 1932, at the suggestion of Major General Komatsubara, General Kosmin began to create armed Russian formations, regarded as the future core of the Russian army in the upcoming Soviet-Japanese war. These two units of several hundred people each carried the guard of the Mukden railway lines. Shanhaiguan and Jilin. Lafachan. After some time, Komatsubara asked Kosmin to create additional units, and they were created by active Ketsmin and thrown into battle against Korean and Chinese partisans in the area of ​​Hailin and Mulin, along with detachments of Cossacks and monarchist-minded white emigrants.

Gradually, the Russian units began to decompose.

The reason for this was the work of Soviet agents and the growth of patriotic sentiment in the emigrant community. Not wanting to lose such valuable personnel, the Japanese adopted a law on military service for immigrants, as one of the indigenous peoples of Manzhou-Guo. The plan for this event was developed by Colonel of the Kwantung Army Makoto Asano.

At the end of 1936, at the suggestion of Colonel K. Torasiro, it was decided to take organizational measures to merge all the White Immigration units into one Russian part. By the beginning of 1938, such a formation began to be created in the village of Erchan, on the shores of Sungari, a hundred kilometers from Harbin. The Russians called this place “Sungari-2”. The unit was named after the Japanese adviser, Colonel Asano. During the formation, the stake was placed on the recruitment of local Russian (mostly fascist) and Cossack youth, whose commanders would be Japanese officers. Specialized schools for the squad were engaged in special schools at Henhaohezzi and at the Sungari 2 station. In May, 1938, another Asano-Boutai school was established in Harbin itself. The term of learning the tricks of military and subversive art was first set at three years, but then was reduced to one and a half years. With the release of the cadets received the rank of non-commissioned officers.

The schools studied Soviet regulations, weapons and tactics.

Lectures on Russian history were given once a week, and night classes were held twice a week. Much time was devoted to learning methods of guerrilla warfare. All these classes were conducted in conditions as close as possible to the real ones. Until September, 1939, the Asano detachment was called infantry, and was then renamed cavalry.

The armament of the detachment consisted of Japanese rifles "Arisaka" and Russian three-line, light and heavy machine guns, howitzers.

Initially, the detachment had 200 people, soon five companies were deployed at its base, and the total number of servicemen was 700 people. Colonel Asano Takashi directly submitted to the headquarters of the Kwantung Army, and the brigade was part of the Manzhou-Guo Army. This fact was strongly emphasized by propaganda as confirmation of the independence of the military ministry of puppet education. The financial support really came from the Manchu military ministry, and the Asanov soldiers wore Manchu military uniforms. At the same time in the warehouses lay sets of "native" Soviet military uniforms and weapons of the Red Army. in the case of special tasks. According to other information, the Asanovites wore a Japanese military uniform; their Russian officers also had Japanese katana swords, which indicates that the brigade belonged to the Kwantung Army.

The brigade commander of the Japanese put Gurgen Nagolyan (in some sources Nagolen), who had consistently served in the railway railway police, the Manzhou-Guo army, where he received the rank of major. Brigade Nagolyan commanded the rank of colonel. This appointment displeased the leader of all Russian fascists, Rodzaevsky, but the Japanese convinced him that everything was done for the good of the Russians and that stubbornness should not be exercised in this matter. According to other information, Nagolyan was only a brigade staff officer.

Responsible for recruiting volunteers at Asano, Rodzaevsky appointed his associate Lev Okhotin.

The commander of the cavalry unit of the brigade was Colonel Yakov Yakovlevich Smirnov, a careerist like Nagolyan. Major of the Manchu army N.A. commanded the infantry unit of the brigade. Gukaev.

According to the information of the English writer of the life of the Russian fascists D. Stefan, the command of the Kwantung Army entrusted the dangerous assignments to the Asanovites, the secret nature of which did not promise their participants posthumous glory. In the Red Army uniform, the fighters of the brigade made their way onto Soviet territory and studied the disposition of the Soviet troops.

Asanovtsy, dressed in the form of the Red Army, also organized provocative shelling of Manchu territory.

The main combat action of the brigade was participation in the Nomonkhan battle (in the USSR and in Russia this battle is better known by the name of the Khalkhin-Gol River) in 1939. The main role in this operation was played by the Japanese 23rd Infantry Division under the command of General Komatsubara. Many Asanovites served as scouts and translators in it. The Soviet command sent flamethrowers to this Japanese division and brigade. Tanks. The infantry entrenched in the flat steppe became easy prey for them. In ten days of hostilities, out of 15 people, 140 11 were killed.


Fighting on the Khalkhin-Gol River

An example of the successful use of Russian in the battles of Khalkhin Gol is given by A. Kaygorodov. The 5 squadron of Captain Tyrsin, who served in the Japanese gendarmerie before Asano, was on reconnaissance patrol when in the bare steppe he encountered the same number of troops of the Mongolian People's Republic.

The Mongols took the Cossacks for their own, for which they paid dearly. Cossacks hacked down all the red cavalrymen, two or three fled, and one officer was captured.

Had a team and his hero. It was Mikhail Natarov, an Asanovist radio operator, who was killed under the Soviet bombing. In Harbin, the 50 meter obelisk was erected on Cathedral Square with the urn walled in it.

After the German attack on the USSR, the Asanovists were ordered to take the side of Sakhalin. Separate groups in civilian clothes, 80 people each, traveled by train to the area of ​​the village Kumaer. Several three inches, light machine guns and 100 thousand rounds of ammunition were transferred there. However, something prevented the deployment of hostilities.

Subsequently, it turned out that the brigade commander, Colonel Gurgen Nagolyan, had been an agent of Soviet intelligence all this time. After the Soviet troops entered Harbin in 1945, the four-thousand brigade disbanded without firing a shot.

Another unit of the brigade was located in the village of Henkhohetstsi and was called "Russian military detachment." It was formed in January 1944 of the year on the basis of the Asaeko 1 company of the Asano Brigade. Personnel were recruited throughout Manzhou-Guo, and preference was given to the police.

Subsequently, young people between the ages of 16 and 35 years from the eastern districts of Manchuria and from Old Believer villages were recruited into the squadron.

The formation was shrouded in secrecy. The training was similar to asanovsky. sabotage and military training. The whole detachment, headed by the captain Gukayev, mentioned earlier, consisted of two companies: the 1-th company was commanded by Lieutenant Pleshko, 2-th. Lieutenant Lognenko. When the detachment was constantly Japanese military inspector. In January 1941, the squad was merged with the training team of the mountain forest police.

Classes in the detachment were held according to the old regulations of the Russian army, great attention was paid to the training of hand-to-hand combat. In addition, they studied the history of Russia, geography.

The detachment had its own radio station from 26 signalers. Conducted workshops on the radio business.

In the period from 1941 to 1944, the year “Asaeko” prepared and conducted three issues of agent saboteurs (over 150 people), the training team of the squad prepared 130 graduates.

When Mudanzyanskoy Japanese military mission also existed its units:
1. Diversionary detachment of the mountain forest police. in 22 km from the station Hehnhohehetszy, commander. Lieutenant Ilinsky.
2. Subversive and police squad. in the village of Erdaohetszy, commander. captain Trofimov.
3. Subversive and police detachment on the Mulinsky mines. formed at the end of 1944, the commander. Pavlov.
4. Subversive squad of reservists. formed at the end of 1944 at the station of Lishuchen, commander. Lieutenant Lozhenkov.

All of these units consisted of approximately 40 people each.

With the direct participation of the Russian fascists and the Sakhalyan Japanese military mission, another squad was formed in April 1939. It includes Russian youth from 14 to 24 years, the total number did not exceed 20 people. The leader of the detachment and the teacher of military training was GS Naumov, who had the rank of Feldwebel in the WWF. From 1940 to 1941, the squad was engaged in military training and camp camps. At the same time, the Sakhalyan Nuclear Weapons Division attracted the entire Russian male population of Sakhalin from 18 to 40 to the squadron’s participation, with the result that the number of the squad doubled. With the beginning of the war between the USSR and Germany, the charges became more frequent and the detachment fell under the care of Japanese instructors. In 1943, the squad was reduced to 22 people. The second deputy assistant to the head of the JWM, Captain Nagai (Mori), became his actual leader.

Detachment officers were trained in intelligence, propaganda, communications, and sabotage techniques. Instructors-cavalrymen came to the detachment from Harbin.

At the end of 1943 of the year and at the beginning of 1944, the entire composition of the detachment was transported along the Amur River and in its upper reaches it was transferred to the territory of the USSR in groups of 3.5 people. Scouts photographed military and civilian objects, tapped phone conversations. After this work and until the autumn of 1944, the detachment worked in agricultural work under the Sakhalyan nuclear weapons. After this, the detachment was engaged in hunting and preparing for guerrilla warfare.

From 1 in March 1945, the detachment was staffed by Russian reservists at Henhaohezzi station. At the beginning of the summer of the same year, the Japanese command planned to transfer the detachment to the Soviet territory, along with several Russian employees from the propaganda department of the Sakhalyan YaVM, but it was never implemented.

Another formation similar to the Asano brigade in terms of combat training was the Cossack cavalry detachments under the command of Colonel Ivan Aleksandrovich Peshkov, united in the Peshkovsky Detachment subunit. It was formed in Hailar in 1939.1940.

The basis of the personnel was the Transbaikalian Cossacks and the Russian youth. Cossack uniform was kept. harem pants with stripes, checkers and carbines. The system of military ranks was also old. At first, the detachment lacked Cossack saddles and bridles, but everyone was rescued by the Hailar saddler Mylnikov, who started manufacturing them.

The appeals to the Peshkov detachment took place annually, and besides, the Peszkivtsi exchanged personnel with the Asanovites, so an accurate record of the number of servicemen in these two formations is difficult.

The end of this formation is tragic. In August 1945, the Japanese loaded the Cossacks into wagons with Japanese and Manchurian soldiers. During breakfast at the station Buchad squad made weapons in the pyramid. On both sides, the Japanese and the Manchus entered the village. Deputy Peshkov Boris Zimin advised to urgently disassemble the weapon, but the commander only laughed, saying that there was nothing to fear from his allies. Time has been lost. The cossacks were knitted by several people, pinned up with bayonets and shot. Already dead Peshkovu Japanese officer chopped off his head. Only five Cossacks survived, who left before the massacre of the Japanese train.

After the atrocities, the corpses and the seriously wounded were left to lie, and the local Manchus began to engage in looting. The surviving Cossacks, together with the Japanese, were captured by the advanced units of the Red Army, and were sentenced to long terms of imprisonment.

The Japanese command also created anti-partisan detachments of Nanai and Orochen. From the materials of the State Unitary Administration of the NKVD of the USSR and the NKVD across the Khabarovsk Territory it is clear that Japanese intelligence in the Xinjiang province formed four “Taiga detachments”, four more groups were created in Heihe province, in each of the detachments there were 100-200 people. In addition to fighting the guerrillas, they were given the task of conducting subversive activities against the USSR. These units consisted of congenital hunters, hunters, leading a nomadic way of life. Until that time, they were forbidden to have firearms, since many of them had previously lived on the territory of the USSR. Being in charge of special police departments, they were supplied with weapons, ammunition and food. The police held military training camps with them. During the 1941 year, charges were held repeatedly in the provinces of Xinjiang and Heihe. During the month, training sessions on fire, drill and tactical training were held at the training camp. In addition to the hunting weapons, the personnel of the detachments were armed with Japanese rifles and partly with Mauser pistols with a sufficient amount of ammunition. Each detachment, in addition, was equipped with a light machine gun and riding horses. The order of notification and urgent collection of units, if necessary, was developed and defined.

On the part of Japanese intelligence, there was a promise to resettle families in the frontier zone at the points of deployment of detachments, to provide land for processing at the construction site.

In order to conceal the true purpose of the detachments, the Japanese spread information that the detachments were created to hunt fur animals and assist in guarding the border.

In February, 1942, a large detachment of Nanais participated in a punitive expedition against a Chinese partisan detachment, Wang Mingui, with a number of 110 people who operated on the territory of Manchuria in Heihe Province.

In response to the creation by the Japanese of national combat units, the USSR State Security agencies began to create on the Soviet contiguous territory their "volunteer" detachments from local residents, hunters, fishermen, forest guard workers, beekeepers, fishermen, and a similar contingent with firearms. The creation of our detachments was also intended to use them as partisans in the event of the outbreak of hostilities by Japan.

In the service of the Japanese military authorities consisted of many immigrants. Ukrainians, Tatars, Armenians, Georgians, Jews, Buryats, Nanai and Yakuts.

In addition to fighting groups and detachments, the Japanese conducted training for servicemen-defectors of the Buryats and the Mongols. For this purpose, Kogain, Kooan, and Hoanokio camps have been established. All of these camps were highly classified, and even the employees of the Harbin NRA were forbidden to appear in them without special passes.

The reconnaissance and sabotage special squad number 377 or Cloud-900 was created in 1944 on the basis of the training structures of the Harbin NRA. The detachment consisted of three companies and seven battle groups. Two companies were Japanese kamikazes who had undergone airborne training and were preparing to commit sabotage acts in the Soviet rear. Combat groups were mixed. Japanese-Russian and Japanese-Chinese. Each of them included from 12 to 20 people of saboteurs, radio operators, medics and translators. In 1944, the Cloud was merged with the Harbin Intelligence School.

The Harbin Intelligence School itself, established in 1937, recruited its listeners from the Russian emigration. The most capable cadres were included in the composition of Japanese intelligence, the rest of the students after individual training were cast into the USSR. The school curriculum was 1 year, the total number of cadets was approximately 70 people.

The end of the cooperation of immigrants with the Japanese military authorities put the victory of the Red Army. Most of the Russian colony of Harbin and other cities welcomed her every military success. Pro-Soviet public and youth organizations gained more and more authority.

Allied hostilities also undermined the authority of the Japanese authorities. It was gradually becoming obvious to everyone that Japan had lost the war. Decomposition has affected all, without exception, Russian parts and divisions. Soviet propaganda and Soviet intelligence activities played a big role in this. The Soviet state security organs knew all the details of the military life of one or another formation and its potential capabilities.

The Second World War ended differently for the individuals mentioned in this chapter. Ataman G.M. Semenov was captured by the SMERSH group of 19 on August 1945 of the year at his dacha in Kahakashi. There is information that during this arrest, the Chekists discredited his daughter. According to another version, the ataman himself, with full dress uniform, invited the Smerzens to the laid table and proclaimed a toast to the victory of the Russian weapon. Anyway, the ataman Semenov ended his life on the gallows by the verdict of the military tribunal. A similar story happened with the head of the Russian fascists K. Rodzaevsky, despite the fact that he declared himself in front of his tragic end to be an adherent of the teachings of I.V. Stalin. A talented Russian poet, a member of the WFTU, Arseny Nesmelov (Mitropolsky), died in a transfer prison.

In general, the actions of the Soviet authorities did not differ in diversity, and the Far Eastern collaborators expected the same fate as the Russians who served in the ROA or in the XV Cavalry Cossack Corps of General von Pannwitz. All the surviving ranks of the Asano brigade, the Cossacks — the Peshkivtsi, the policemen, the working peasants, and the CER employees joined the ranks of the GULAG prisoners. Many were shot.

The apocryphal story that Colonel Asano made himself hara-kiri at the Sungari-2 station came to us, having learned about the fate of his soldiers and officers. Allegedly, in the suicide note was the phrase "I will redeem my guilt before death."

There were also people who met the Soviet government with open arms, although they had previously held significant posts in the leadership of anti-Soviet organizations. Thus, the right hand of the head of the fascist party, M. Matkovsky, the son of a Kolchak general, brought lists of all BREM employees to the Soviet authorities. One of the founders of the Russian fascist organization B. Rumyantsev became the head of the Association of Soviet Citizens.

All monuments of Russian architecture and culture were destroyed and destroyed. They were destroyed by both Chinese and Soviet authorities.

A huge stream of Russian refugees poured from Manchuria and China, not waiting for the arrival of the "liberators". This emigration from emigration was continued when the refugees were able to be accommodated on the island of Tubabao in the Pacific ...
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  1. Andy
    Andy 19 July 2013 10: 30 New
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    the actions of the Soviet authorities were not diverse, and the Far Eastern collaborators expected the same fate as the Russians who served in the ROA or in the XV Cavalry Cossack Corps of General von Pannwitz. All the surviving ranks of the Asano brigade, Cossack “peshkovets”, policemen, peasant toilers and employees of the CER have joined the ranks of Gulag prisoners. Many were shot.
    The apocryphal story came to us that Colonel Asano made himself hara-kiri at the Sungari-2 station,
    ---

    DOGS AND THE DEATH OF DOGS. And there is no need for fairy tales that Hitler’s victory is just a defeat for Stalin. Remember the people who were burnt with the inhabitants of the village and who died in the siege of Leningrad. in that war or death or victory.
  2. dmb
    dmb 19 July 2013 12: 36 New
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    Well, charm, not the author. For two decades, saboteurs being transferred to our territory harmed us as much as they could, and then a tragedy happened in their life. They were sent to the Gulag. Ah-yay, how badly the bloody Bolsheviks did.
  3. omsbon
    omsbon 19 July 2013 12: 40 New
    +6
    Ataman Semenov ended his life on the gallows by the verdict of a military tribunal. A similar story happened with the head of the Russian fascists K. Rodzaevsky,

    For that fought for it and ran!
    There could be no other end!
    1. Aryan
      Aryan 19 July 2013 16: 07 New
      +5
      Was recently in Vladivostok
      HELLO TO A GLORIOUS CITY !!!
      my grandfather’s brother told an interesting story
      firstly, Russians did not take away personal weapons from Japanese captured officers
      unlike the Americans, who rolled home in heaps as he brought a trophy
      therefore I saw only one katana in the museums of Vladivostok in the Arseniev Museum
      but something else struck me more in my grandfather’s story
      after the war, Japanese prisoners go, their officers with katanas, and everyone sings in chorus
      OUR Proud VARYAG DOES NOT GIVE AN ENEMY TO THE ENEMY
      that's it...
  4. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 19 July 2013 13: 01 New
    +2
    The fate of the Russians in Manchuria is one of the little-studied (so far I hope) pages of history. In Soviet times, this topic was not so much hushed up - it was not welcomed. Meanwhile, those events directly influenced the whole situation in Russia. In my opinion, after the Second World War the problem of emigrants was not completely resolved. Then, in the wake of the VICTORY, there was a chance to return to the country's benefit a large number of specialists who would greatly help in rebuilding the country. But history has no subjunctive mood. To the author +.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 19 July 2013 14: 02 New
      +2
      Specialists of what ?! Destruction?
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 19 July 2013 17: 17 New
      +2
      All who wanted to return to their homeland in the USSR, returned from Manchuria.
      I myself spoke with a man who was a compartment neighbor on the Moscow-Beijing train. The road to Harbin was long and we talked a lot. He rode places of childhood and youth to see the city of Harbin where he was born, from which he returned to the USSR with his whole family. As he said, all the families of immigrants were previously determined places of residence, their family where his father and uncle were Harbin railroad workers, a collective farm was appointed near Krasnoyarsk. For a year, the collective farm chairman “tormented” with the townspeople trying to accustom them to rural life, and then said: “Guys go to Krasnoyarsk and get settled there by profession.” “So we have been living in Krasnoyarsk ever since,” the compartment neighbor said.
      As, he said, the Russian population of Manchuria was divided into 3 groups: part went to Australia, part to Latin America and part to the USSR. By the mid-50s, there were almost no Russians in Manchuria.
  5. w.barc
    w.barc 19 July 2013 13: 35 New
    +3
    I think you should not judge, do not justify those people .... the time was strange then) how did the professional military betray the oath to the Reds and merged the First World War ... and built not the Russian state, but the Soviet one and considered themselves not Russian, but Soviet people
    but also spreads under the Japanese and become a collaborator, too, does not honor)))
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 19 July 2013 14: 07 New
      +2
      And what is the difference between “Russian” and “Soviet”?
      1. Alew
        Alew 19 July 2013 16: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: sergey72
        And what is the difference between “Russian” and “Soviet”?

        Interest Ask. And what is the difference between "Russian" and "Russian" ???
  6. w.barc
    w.barc 19 July 2013 14: 36 New
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    Quote: sergey72
    And what is the difference between “Russian” and “Soviet”?

    unfortunately I was not deeply interested in this issue,
    but from the recollection of the participants in those events and logic, the following conclusions can be drawn:
    1) since they called themselves Soviet (often saw the phrases "I'm not Russian, I’m Soviet people"), then they refused Russian values
    2) the official ideology of the USSR and the class struggle were replaced. With the Soviet system of values ​​(Stalinism, socialism, communism, Trotskyism, etc.)
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 19 July 2013 14: 49 New
      +4
      Samoilo Alexander Alexandrovich (1869-1963) major general of the tsarist army, lieutenant general of the Soviet .... "I consider myself a Russian, Soviet man ..."
  7. w.barc
    w.barc 19 July 2013 15: 58 New
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    Quote: sergey72
    Samoilo Alexander Alexandrovich (1869-1963) major general of the tsarist army, lieutenant general of the Soviet .... "I consider myself a Russian, Soviet man ..."

    he has a good biography)


    remembered whose position coincided with mine)))

    1. About Soviet patriotism.


    We were not the first to pronounce this phrase: it was invented and launched by the Communists themselves and the foreigners seduced by them. They themselves called themselves Soviet patriots and this determined their political nature and their place in the history of Russia. We can only reveal the meaning of this name and indicate to them its place.

    From the usual, legally correct and politically competent point of view, this name is simply ignorant. The word "Soviet" means a form of government, no more. We know the monarchical form of the state and the republican. The Soviet state considers itself a republic: they say that this is a new kind of republican system - not a parliamentary republic, but just a Soviet one. Developing this idea, the hasty and talkative Young Russians (not of good memory) have long been proposing to establish a Soviet monarchy: to take the Soviet form of state and head it as a revolutionary "king" ...

    With a legally correct understanding, the idea of ​​Soviet patriotism turns out to be outright absurd.

    The Patriot is devoted to his country, his people, his spiritual culture, his national prosperity, his organic prosperity; he wants his international independence, he serves his strong and valiant self-defense ... But a monarchist and a republican can be a patriot. In Switzerland and in the United States you will find many patriots, but you will not find monarchists. You will find no less patriots in England and in Holland, but the “republicans” there constitute a huge minority. The motherland is one, the fatherland is one; but the state form of their country, people can think differently. This means that the issue of state form determines not a patriotic, but a party affiliation of a person. In the bosom of patriotic fidelity, both monarchists and republicans can remain. And they both love their national fatherland first of all (Holland, England, the United States, Switzerland, France): they are faithful Dutch, devoted English, proud Americans, persistent and brave Swiss, fiery French, and then, precisely because of this, national they demand patriotism for their country of one or another state form - some want a monarchy, others want a republic.
  8. w.barc
    w.barc 19 July 2013 15: 59 New
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    But "Soviet patriotism" is something perverted and ridiculous. This is patriotism of the state form. The "Soviet patriot" is not devoted to his real Fatherland (Russia) and not to his people (Russian people). He is devoted to the Soviet form in which Russia has suffered and humiliated for thirty years now; he is devoted to that party-communist "Soviet Union", which oppresses and extincts the Russian people from the very beginning of the revolution. Ask these people why they do not call themselves simply Russian patriots? Why do not they name their supposedly beloved state - Russia? Why do they provide this precious advantage to us, who openly call their Fatherland - Russia, and themselves - Russian? Where and why are they embarrassedly hiding their national nature? Why did they proclaim themselves not as the sons of their historically great homeland, but as adherents of the internationally communist party that took control of it and Soviet-shaped it?

    We ask ourselves again: what does the expression “I am a monarchist patriot” mean? This means nothing; it is politically ignorant babble.

    It is meaningful to say: “I am a French patriot and, moreover, a republican”; then we know what kind of people the son is in front of us, for what national interest will he go into battle and what state form does he consider the best for his France ... But invite the Frenchman to love not France, but non-national, international, and therefore from the right point of view of the French patriot - the treacherous “Soviet”, - and he will look at you as a madman and will be right.

    What do the words “I am a Soviet patriot” mean? They mean that I am devoted to the Soviet Union - the Soviet state, the Soviet government, the Soviet system - no matter what it is hidden or whatever policy is pursued: Russian, non-Russian or anti-state, perhaps disastrous for Russia, enslaving the Russian people and extinction, hunger and terror.

    The "Soviet patriot" is devoted to power, not to his homeland; regime, not the people; party, not the fatherland. He is devoted to the international dictatorship, which enslaved his people with fear and hunger, openly abolished his real Russianness and forbade the people to be called by their glorious historical name. .. For Russia has long been away from the Soviet Union, its name has been officially deleted by the Communists from history, and their state itself is called internationally and anti-nationally: “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics” (see, for example, the text of the Stalinist Constitution of 1936).

    And so the Soviet patriot, by his very name, renounces Russia and the Russian people and declares his commitment and loyalty - not to him. He is a patriot of the international party: he serves her, he fights for her, he undertakes to obey her. Its very name contains an open, public renunciation of Russia and the voluntary self-enslavement of its non-Russian and anti-Russian dictatorship. If this is “love,” then love is not for Russia, but for international communism; if it is a struggle, then the struggle to consolidate Soviet slavery in Russia is a struggle to destroy the Russian people in the name of the international communist revolution; if it is “fidelity,” then fidelity to the Soviet Union and betrayal of national Russia!

    For the Soviet state is not Russia, and the Russian state is not the Soviet Union.
    (c) Ivan Aleksandrovich Ilyin
    1. Pehmore
      Pehmore 28 August 2013 20: 16 New
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      If I am Ukrainian And here the Russian people, as well as Kazakhs, Turkmens, etc. It was Soviet patriotism, it was bigger. Moreover, there is love for Russia in a multinational state. Patriotism is love for the Motherland, and then it was not Russia.
  9. Alew
    Alew 19 July 2013 16: 24 New
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    At the end of the 80s, Harbin Russian fascists were very much scolded in the magazine “Little Light” and all the Soviet time of “stagnation” was disgraced. (Later I sent all these “lights” to the stove in the country) From this I concluded that our people were in Harbin , they were even used by the USSR for the needs of the CER and for their beliefs and deeds were paid cruelly. The topic is rather slippery after the war, many of them wanted to return to their homeland. but failed. How it relates to them, well, probably not as much as to the German fascists. And if we are in their place in Harbin, then it is necessary for each of us to decide for whom he is for white or for red even after so many years.
  10. Djozz
    Djozz 19 July 2013 17: 22 New
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    Count Ignatiev, one of the real Russian patriots, did not "paint over" millions of francs in his accounts at the Bank of France and did not support white emigration, whose leaders demanded to give them the money. All millions of lieutenant general Ignatiev returned to the USSR.