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When will Turkey fall?

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In disputes about the use of chemical weapons in Syria, we must remember the main goal of US policy in the Middle East and in general in the world. Everyone knows it, although it is not discussed in the UN - it is the establishment of American domination, or at least control over the whole world. This is what the “national interests” of the United States are today, and Syria is only a step in this policy. Provocation with chemical weapons is just a way to step over the “Syrian step” by bombing it into the “Stone Age”. A similar provocation with “weapons of mass destruction” served as a pretext for the United States to bomb Iraq, so that the Iraqi scenario is commonplace in Syria.


In implementing their policies, the United States acts extremely pragmatically and cynically, according to the well-known formula: “the end justifies the means”. In this strategy, all means are good, and the lie is simply a military trick in the fight against obstacles on the way, and not the worst, there are worse things, for example, a perfidious attack without declaring war. This is the ultimate Hitler case, and since the United States inherits Hitler in the strategy of world domination, it must also be always remembered.

Most observers believe that the next US target will be Iran, but this is not the case. Vladimir Ilyich Lenin taught that there is nothing better than a good theory. And we have it - this is the theory of “controlled chaos”, which is used by the United States in its practical activities. But if the States follow this tactic, then Turkey will be their next target. And it is easy to show.

The chaos of war is as if natural, it can be given off as “natural”, and seeks to spread along the path of least resistance to places with large stocks of conflicting material. Having arisen in torn Syria, it will certainly roll to Turkey, where there is plenty of such material, especially if you help him a little.

What is Turkey? This is a true ally of the United States, however, this status is not at all a guarantee against betrayal: vassals exist to sacrifice them if necessary. Moor did his job - the moor can leave. And by the way, they understand this in Turkey.

Murat абabas in "Yeni Mesaj" (Turkey) from 02 / 09 / 2013 writes in his article
“Our allies repeatedly left Turkey alone, the allies of Syria, on the contrary, never left the UAR. At a time when Turkey was making major strategic concessions for its main US ally, the Americans, capturing Turkish soldiers in the Iraqi city of Suleymaniyah, put sacks on their heads. Despite the strategic alliance, co-chairmanship in the “Greater Middle East” project, and so on, the United States in front of the whole world covered Turkey with shame. It was obvious that by “strategic ally” the United States meant a whipping boy, just like “democracy” as slaughter and violence. Apparently, it is time for Turkish politicians to give up their blind stubbornness and learn from Assad, so hated by him, who and how to create an alliance. ”


What is Iran? It is a fortress, moreover prepared for defense, well armed and, most importantly, strong in spirit, and the United States does not like to take fortresses. The strategy of "controlled chaos" is designed to solve such problems at the expense of ... chaos. It should be created near the fortress and rolled up to it, as in the old days, siege towers were rolled up to the fortress walls.

Turkey, unlike Iran, is not a fortress at all. It is also well armed, but at the same time aggravated by a longstanding conflict with its Kurdish population, and more recently in Turkey a “democratic revolution” against the Islamist regime of Erdogan almost occurred, that is, it is also a politically split country.

Today, “the Turkish authorities are finishing off the army,” 3 “Kommersant” reports 2013 in September: “Turkey entered a new stage in the struggle between the country's Islamist authorities and the army, which is considered the guarantor of the secular system, yesterday. More than a hundred officers were brought to trial on charges of displacing the first government of Islamists led by N. Erbakan, the predecessor and mentor of incumbent Prime Minister R. Erdogan, in 1997, who had already initiated several demonstration trials of the military. ” In other words, the army in Turkey is experiencing our 1937 year today.

Turkey can become the very "siege tower" of the United States for the assault of Iran. For this, it is necessary to destroy Turkey, taking advantage of its political weakness and the Kurdish problem, and then throw the "Turkish-Kurdish chaos" on Iran. Orientalists know that the Kurds have long been a kind of “match” with which in the Middle East you can always set fire to a big fire, that is, the chaos that the former US national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski hinted at the other day: “... the solution to current problems is not limited Syria is, let's say, a potentially explosive state of the Middle East. ”



Recall that the Kurds are a big people who have long dreamed of creating their own state, living in Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran. Today, in the north of Iraq, they have practically created autonomy, it only remains for them to find a reason for declaring their formal independence from Baghdad. In Iraq, they have highly disciplined fighting units, and in Turkey the Kurdish rebels have become a headache for the government of the country: sluggish guerrilla war has been going on with them for a long time in its eastern regions near the borders with Iraq.

Syrian Kurds are already involved in hostilities, and on the side of Assad against the Islamist militants supported by Turkey. Thus, the Turkish-Kurdish conflict is already beginning to fester, it is his threat that keeps Turkey from active actions in Syria with its Kurdish population. But if Syria is plunged into the chaos of war, then with the help of the Kurds it can be easily transferred to Turkey.

And the United States again "will leave Turkey completely alone", for them it is more important that Turkey is the "key" not only to Iran through the Kurds, to Russia through the Caucasus, but also to Europe, which is becoming increasingly obstinate: NATO refused the US military assistance in Syria! Turkey is the shortest way for the penetration of “controlled chaos” to them ...
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  1. a52333
    a52333 6 September 2013 09: 16 New
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    It may very well be.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 6 September 2013 09: 38 New
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      Guys, I’m not the topic, but right now I’m looking, the new Sukhar 34th from the plant rose (15 minutes ago, in Novosibirsk time). In the soil-type yellow ... krasava, somersault, barrel and went far. Both --- x, the second raised !!!!!
      I add, I'm poppa, how they somersault !!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 September 2013 10: 16 New
        +9
        Quote: Sergh
        I add, I'm poppa, how they somersault !!

        Serge, have a bite wink
        Hi hi
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 6 September 2013 10: 28 New
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          Alexander, thank you, I ate a tomato ... ahhh, let's go! Hello to you!
          Of course, cut out, Sash.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 September 2013 10: 37 New
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            Quote: Sergh
            Of course, cut out, Sash.

            Who to cut belay entire US administration laughing
      2. Sergh
        Sergh 6 September 2013 10: 39 New
        +5
        flew, the second Rusk went up, went east 280 degrees.
      3. Hort
        Hort 6 September 2013 11: 45 New
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        Yes, they have been flying for a week. Run in new, apparently
      4. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 6 September 2013 18: 39 New
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        Quote: Sergh
        Guys, I'm not really talking

        "Guys" do not mind ...
    2. duke
      duke 6 September 2013 11: 32 New
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      there are a lot of questions to the author. Why right now ruin Turkey if it is a counterweight to Syria and Iran, and even Russia? Turkey is a member of NATO, there are military bases ... why was it pumped up with weapons, just to ruin it, without fulfilling the task? In addition, the Turks may be a counterweight to Saudi Arabia, which is building a caliphate, but the Turks are building Osmania-2 of the second flood, their interests will somehow clash with the Saudis, because Turks consider the Saudis their competitors and tributaries encroaching on the territory of the Ottoman Empire. And what was once part of Osmania-1 is considered the legal territory of Turkey, including by the way, Crimea and Armenia and Georgia and the entire Black Sea Novorossia, which now belongs to Ukraine, but which under the agreements was ceded to Potemkin / Russia, but not to Ukraine, which was not mentioned at all. I don’t think that everything is so simple that everything will be so fast.
    3. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 6 September 2013 18: 36 New
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      “Our allies have left Turkey all alone many times, Syria’s allies, on the contrary, have never left the Syrian Arab Republic. During the period when Turkey made the most important strategic concessions for its main ally, the United States, the Americans, having captured Turkish soldiers in the Iraqi city of Sulaimaniyah, put on bags on their heads. Despite the strategic alliance, co-chairmanship in the "Greater Middle East" project and so on, the United States covered Turkey with shame before the eyes of the whole world. It was obvious that by "strategic ally" the United States understood the whipping boy, exactly the same, as under "democracy" - massacre and violence. Apparently, it is time for Turkish politicians to abandon their blind stubbornness and learn from the so hated Assad about who and how to create an alliance. " - I hope there are a lot of adequate people in Turkey and the madman Erdogan will not have much time left. Only for a long time these adequate are going.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 7 September 2013 16: 36 New
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        So he sent all the generals to the bunks, until they come to their senses and they throw him off unknown.
    4. Sandov
      Sandov 7 September 2013 16: 33 New
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      There may well be such an option. Turks for amers the same bargaining chip as rats in Syria.
  2. avt
    avt 6 September 2013 09: 23 New
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    Ayayay! You quit catching up with it! Only our newly formed republics have convinced themselves of the presence and unshakable power of the "Turkic world" and here are the forecasts. laughing Moreover, with references to the Turks about the fact that human brothers are the poor natives are thrown. Amicably, let's say no and minus "a provocateur - a kindler of passions and an arsonist of pan-Turkist ideas" laughing
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 7 September 2013 14: 33 New
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      I don’t think that you are right, the Turks are next in line for the Arab spring. Just follow the direction of movement of these springs, the main direction Russia. I’ll think time will tell.
  3. Natalia
    Natalia 6 September 2013 09: 27 New
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    Most observers believe that Iran will become the next US target, Turkey will be their next target

    This is only possible theoretical, but practical if the United States engages in a Syrian adventure, then upon its completion it will be necessary not only to take a breath, but also for a long time to gather strength and thoughts until the next adventure ... until that moment a long time will pass, and what’s how then in the world it will be impossible to predict.
    And what is Iran? This is a fortress, moreover prepared for defense, well armed and, most importantly, strong in spirit, and the United States does not like to take fortresses.

    It is, and if this is so, then we have to connect the "fifth column" tighter, blow in people's ears, morally corrupt society ... but in Iran it will be extremely difficult.
    And in general, all sorts of topics like LGBT people in Muslim countries simply will not fail, rather the creation of all kinds of armed "opposition" forces on the territory of the country ... but again it is difficult to apply to Iran.
    Well, in Turkey ... yes, a kind of kipish is already being created

    The moral of the fable is this: no matter how beautiful a friend of the United States is, one thing should be remembered, the United States has no friends, only their interests. So friends should be chosen more carefully and thoughtfully.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 6 September 2013 09: 41 New
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      Quote: Natalia
      And what is Iran? This is a fortress, moreover prepared for defense, well armed and, most importantly, strong in spirit, and the United States does not like to take fortresses
      "There is no such fortress that a donkey laden with gold would not take" - Philip the Great, Alexander's father, once put it this way.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 6 September 2013 10: 06 New
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        Quote: Nagan
        "There is no such fortress that a donkey laden with gold would not take"

        All right! Powerful financial flows with the subsequent connection of brute force will wash any coast.
        Theory of controlled chaos?
        1. Hitrovan07
          Hitrovan07 6 September 2013 21: 25 New
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          This is probably why Sberbank bought itself a bank in Turkey. This means that not everything is so simple and the "party" is just beginning (the United States seems to be in the forefront - but alas - the puppeteers are somewhere higher).
    2. Arberes
      Arberes 6 September 2013 10: 02 New
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      Quote: Natalia
      It is, and if this is so, then we have to connect the "fifth column" tighter, blow in people's ears, morally corrupt society ... but in Iran it will be extremely difficult.

      Once Libya seemed to stand firmly on its feet, and Syria, but now the devil knows what’s going on with Egypt? Typically, the decomposition of the state begins from the inside with a powerful recharge from the outside! They will work out Syria and will also start with Iran and the time span will be short. The Saudis will pay for everything!
      That would bang in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, you look and immediately become calmer in the Middle East? It is comfortable for them under the powerful wing of the Anglo-Saxons, not to get to the main sponsors of terrorism!
      1. duke
        duke 6 September 2013 11: 39 New
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        in the near future they will not be banged, but everything has its time, then the US elite needs a powerful Turkey, but if necessary, they will again be friends with Iran, which they are trying, through the collapse, to bring back under their roof. Do not forget Iran during the Shah was about British and pro-American. As for the Anglo-Saxons, do not overdo it, in the elite of the Anglo-Saxons one-two and miscalculated ...
        Why would amers now violate the stability of supplies from Arabia? And if you offer us to bang on them, then all the same the Russian Federation is not the USSR, do not forget.
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 6 September 2013 12: 12 New
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          Quote: duke
          in the near future they will not be banged,

          Yes, from the beginning of Syria.

          Quote: duke
          As for the Anglo-Saxons, do not overdo it,

          Maybe you're right. This is my stereotype. If the Americans, then the Anglo-Saxons!

          Quote: duke
          And if you offer us to bang on them,

          This is of course a dream, but what if you try to destabilize the situation in the same way that they do?
          We need a lot of money and influence in this region, but where can I get both?
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 September 2013 10: 19 New
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      Quote: Natalia
      It is only possible theoretical

      Natasha hi Turkey itself puts on a noose and more successfully than it does Turkish butcher (Erdogan) no one can do.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 6 September 2013 11: 59 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Natasha Turkey puts on a noose and more successfully than it does. Turkish butcher (Erdogan) no one can do.

        With Erdogpn, everything is simple. The Americans unobtrusively showed him that if he "looks to the left" then the fate of his colleague Mursi awaits him. And given his contradictions with the Kemalist army elite, he simply has no choice but to punch hard to please the American masters. The war is essentially the only way out for him to save face. If the military operation succeeds, he will get all the laurels as a wise and invincible serdar, and if he fails, he can blame the military for everything and finally clean up the unwanted.
        And if we take historical facts, it is known that, at the beginning of the twentieth century, the Anglo-Saxons destroyed the Middle East region, setting the Arabs against the Turks. (An example of the uprising of Arab tribes from the filing of Lawrence of Arabia)
        At the beginning of the XNUMXst century, the Anglo-Saxons again destroyed the status quo in the Middle East: only now they set the Turks against the Arabs. Now, on the contrary, they promise the Turks help in creating the Ottoman Empire, which they themselves destroyed a hundred years ago.
        And the Anglo-Saxons themselves all the time in white. They are always “for freedom”. In 1915 they were for the freedom of the Arabs from Turkish rule. In 2013, they again for freedom: the freedom of the people of Syria from the "bloody tyranny" of Bashar al-Assad.
        However, historically, it has developed so that Turkey has always been a bargaining chip in the geopolitical interests of the Western world in the Middle East. The same role is reserved for it now.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 6 September 2013 12: 23 New
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          Quote: Ascetic
          The Americans unobtrusively showed him that if he "looks to the left" then the fate of his colleague Mursi awaits him.



          so the United States stood behind the army elite .. and what did Erdogan Kuzkin’s mother show .... fellow maybe they showed ... but I stayed on my own feet! although I am not for him, but most of the population supports him !!!!!! besides, nobody will be able to undermine the political system of Turkey! because the Turks created such a system, which, at the slightest loosening of the state system ... the whole army, the party ... population ... communists ... Islamists ... all stand under the banner of the State !!! there are many .... led by Lopatov predicted the fate of Turkey .. and minus us .... I want to ask them ... where are your predictions .... where are your revolutionary appeals !!!!! .... It’s clear that you think that Turkey is your enemy !!!! based on history .... look out the window .. in the courtyard of the 21st century .... right now you don’t know who you’ll fight with or make peace tomorrow !!!!! ! ,,,,,
          1. a52333
            a52333 6 September 2013 15: 30 New
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            besides, nobody will be able to undermine the political system of Turkey!
            This is powerfully pushed !!! lol
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 6 September 2013 17: 22 New
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              Quote: a52333
              This is powerfully pushed !!!



              Today - YES !!!! unlike Assad .. Erdogan carried out fundamental reforms .. strengthened his own power by political means ..... there are no longer fighting gas attacks .. and there are no 2 million refugees ..... and what will happen tomorrow --- no one Zanet .. only the will of the Almighty .... hi

              maybe you know ..... Nastrodamus you are our ...... fellow
              1. Berserk
                Berserk 7 September 2013 01: 26 New
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                This does not guarantee anything. In the Republic of Ingushetia in the year 14, 90% were also for the Tsar. Perhaps they lied just like the Turks (themselves), not all of course. There were faithful, many ... How did it end - remember? Your main argument is never, because it can never be. Look soberly. At the moment, there are simply absolutely no stable states.
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 6 September 2013 15: 47 New
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            Quote: smersh70
            besides, nobody will be able to undermine the political system of Turkey! because the Turks created such a system under which, with the slightest loosening of the state system ... the whole army, the parties ... the population ... communists ... Islamists ... everyone gets under banners of the State !!!


            18% of the population have a slightly different opinion on this. wassat
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 6 September 2013 17: 19 New
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              Quote: Karlsonn
              18% of the population have a slightly different opinion on this.



              in percentage terms, probably 18-makes up the majority in your opinion ... laughing
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 6 September 2013 18: 59 New
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                Quote: smersh70
                in percentage terms, probably 18-makes up the majority in your opinion ...


                Do not ascribe to me your thoughts, 18% do not constitute the majority, this was an answer to your reprise that the whole Turkish people as one deify the current Turkish government and are ready to rush under the tanks of the aggressor.
                I just hinted that at least 18% do not think so, and 18% is not enough.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 September 2013 13: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Ascetic
          With Erdogpn, everything is simple. The Americans unobtrusively showed him that if he "looks to the left" then the fate of his colleague Mursi awaits him

          Stanislas hi Erdogan’s problem is not in the amers, but in those whom he has fed on his territory. He will not be able to control the Islamists either by theirs or by a bullet.
    4. a52333
      a52333 6 September 2013 12: 37 New
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      Let's try to speculate:
      1) In terms of the United States and the destabilization of the east (the creation of controlled Hoas), Turkey may have
      a) a bridgehead for an attack on Iran. (and it seems to me that it is Turkey that will be the main striking force)
      b) a base for destabilizing the Caucasus. (training bases, weapons transfer points, hospitals for the treatment of the wounded)
      c) Turkey is a corridor for the passage of terrorists to Europe. They have already shown themselves (remember how a month ago the police caught the militants, and then they "disappeared." To reset its economy, the US will have to divert the attention of Europe. TE. In principle, something there too may soon "explode", like towers -twins.
      And if Turkey goes to ALL requirements (especially the first), then it will maintain integrity. If not angry IMHO, yes.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 6 September 2013 12: 43 New
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        Quote: a52333
        a foothold for an attack on Iran. (

        Turkey has not joined the embargo against Iran!

        Turkey and Iran increase trade and create a joint industrial city!
        1. a52333
          a52333 6 September 2013 14: 01 New
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          They will demand from them, if Erdogan refuses, the banana revolution is guaranteed to him.
        2. kotvov
          kotvov 7 September 2013 14: 43 New
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          amerikonos clink and this circulation will stop immediately. the United States above all. they will surrender and betray anyone for the sake of profit.
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 6 September 2013 13: 02 New
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        Quote: a52333
        b) the basis for the destabilization of the Caucasus. (


        Rave......
        Quote: a52333
        c) Turkey is a corridor for terrorists to enter Europe.

        Horror ...... well, thoughts .... at the level of the investigator of the NKVD sample 37 years ....
        1. a52333
          a52333 6 September 2013 14: 04 New
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          Rave......
          those. You want to say that this was not? And the militants did not appear in the North Caucasus? There was a corridor Turkey-Georgia-Condor Gorge-Chechnya.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 6 September 2013 14: 41 New
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            Quote: a52333
            those. You want to say that this was not? And the militants did not appear in the North Caucasus? There was a corridor Turkey-Georgia-Condor Gorge-Chechnya.


            Kamrad considers Turkey a ray of light in the dark kingdom, that's all.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 6 September 2013 17: 28 New
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              Quote: Karlsonn
              Amrad considers Turkey a ray of light in the dark kingdom, that's all.



              and for starters ............ wassat
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 6 September 2013 19: 00 New
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                Quote: smersh70
                and for starters ............


                What did you want to say?
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 6 September 2013 17: 27 New
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            Quote: a52333
            There was a corridor Turkey-Georgia-Condor Gorge-Chechnya.


            as the Russian proverb says --- Who remembers the old - that’s it, it was about the past ... and you talked about the future of relations ..... and I can then say ... that the USSR, in the person of special services, created the PKK and armed him .... here and the Turks recouped in the 90s .. but it was in the past .... right now 2 states think more about economic projects ... remember the South Stream ....
            1. a52333
              a52333 6 September 2013 17: 38 New
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              Kernel-madrite !!! Straight peace is friendship. South Stream was created against Gazprom.
        2. avt
          avt 6 September 2013 14: 47 New
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          Quote: smersh70
          Horror ...... well, thoughts .... at the level of the investigator of the NKVD sample 37 years ....

          Quote: a52333
          There was a corridor Turkey-Georgia-Condor Gorge-Chechnya.

          We passed there by a corridor and ended up with many seeming walls. laughing But what is interesting is that in Moscow at that time the cashiers had lists of series of dollar bills, they say, “fake.” And the box opened differently, amers to his agent, he used to work on Radio Liberty himself an ethnic Chechen, a citizen of Turkey, they gave a press and cliche dollars to print for the militants, but they distinguished it very simply, like all folk dollars for the aborigines with their own numbers and walking only over the hills of the United States of America, at home they have the Reichs dollar, and the banking system that comes across Folx dollars is withdrawn and sent on the way back. Well, here's another reason for you to boil with an angry cry - delirium and 37 years of the name of the NKVD. laughing
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 6 September 2013 17: 29 New
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            Quote: avt
            they gave the machine and cliche dollars to print for militants, but it was very simple to distinguish, like all folks dollars for Aboriginal people with their numbers and walking only over the hillocks of the United States of America, they have a Reichs dollar at home



            Chapman with the team is resting ........ laughing
            1. avt
              avt 6 September 2013 18: 30 New
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              Quote: smersh70
              Chapman with the team is resting.

              Yeah, along with wounded militants in the Crimea and Turkey. This uncle also printed Tugriks with Dudaev’s image of the top, which is typical - the dollar format is one-on-one, and the customer was liquidated, then his receiver, and many others, until they realized that it was better than Ramzan and his sponsor, comrade A ... x Vladimirovich no.
  4. smersh70
    smersh70 6 September 2013 09: 27 New
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    one thing! the map shows the territory of the settlement of Kurds in the Lachin region of Azerbaijan !!!
    there are no Kurds ... they became all refugees after the Armenians occupied Lachinsky and Kelbajar districts .... hi
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 6 September 2013 09: 39 New
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      It means to return, with such a batch I'm afraid nothing will remain of Armenia.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 6 September 2013 09: 41 New
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      Kurds are not monolithic. There are Yezidi Kurds numbering 1-1,5 million. They have a special religion. There are Sunnis, Shiites, Christians, and Alevites (not to be confused with the Alawites), which, according to some scholars, are the same Armenians. And at the expense of the title of the article, Turkey at the beginning of the 20th century stood against the combined forces of England, France and Greece, did not fall. Now, even more so, it will not fall.
      1. duke
        duke 6 September 2013 11: 48 New
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        in general, judging by the language, the Kurds belong to the group of Afghan tribes, but this is not the Armenians, since the Armenians do not give you peace ... in the 20s, Turkey Atatürk supported Lenin with the supply of weapons and planning military operations, which made a strategic mistake , but he did not care if only to annoy the British. In addition, Ataturk widely attracted the Kurds as a military force, hinting to their leaders about their relative independence within the framework of the new Turkey, and then naturally deceived. While Turkey is needed as a counterweight to a number of countries, primarily Iran, they will not touch it, but when the United States needs it, I assure you, it will fall as nice, as she will no longer have allies. If Syria collapses, why is Israel such a new neighbor instead of darling Assad?
    3. avt
      avt 6 September 2013 12: 18 New
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      Quote: smersh70
      one thing! the map shows the territory of the settlement of Kurds in the Lachin region of Azerbaijan !!!
      there are no Kurds ... they became all refugees after the Armenians occupied

      laughing And when did our common human brothers care about the same little things? Well, when were they interested in the opinions of others and the realities when cutting new borders for the states they were creating? Maybe the Angles did this when leaving India and creating Pakistan and the border with Afghanistan, under the name of the line of their next geostrateg, more successful than our geographic general Ivashov? If you want to know the future planned for you, look at the maps of the region drawn up by naglosaks and do not bother with near-scientific delights about impossibility, think about how to avoid it.
      Quote: xetai9977
      And at the expense of the title of the article, Turkey at the beginning of the 20th century stood against the combined forces of England, France and Greece, did not fall. Now, even more so, it will not fall.

      The empire was torn as a tusik by a heating pad and even the fez were taken off their heads, and with the help of Ataturk, the Soviet Union rendered laughing This is evidenced by the face of the Soviet resident of the Cheka, Baturin, in the bronze of one monument in Constantinople. The Turkish Falcon will behave badly - he will quickly be shortened in the framework of democratic revolutions, he already got a telling spanking when he decided from an excess of mind that he was a player in the Big Game of Real Politician.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 6 September 2013 13: 08 New
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        Quote: avt
        And when our common human brothers were worried about the same little things

        I agree!!
        Quote: avt
        one monument in Constantinople, the face of the Soviet resident of the Cheka Baturin

        Is it possible that during the time of Byzantium there was a resident of the Cheka wassat
        Quote: avt
        he is a player of the Big Game at Real Politician.

        So it works by the way .... and very good ..... smile
        1. avt
          avt 6 September 2013 14: 33 New
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          Quote: smersh70
          So it works by the way .... and very good.

          The fact that he had the opportunity to buy a goat, but wished to build a neo-Ottoman house without the opportunity? It would be better to drink for his wishes to coincide with his capabilities. In the meantime, he is balancing on the brink of war - he can still tighten the nuts inside, but in a large-scale conflict with Syria his resource will really fall below low and how he will keep the situation in the worsening economic situation and a rather interesting situation in the army, and then in case of failure, even local ones will remember a lot, it’s even very interesting. So for him the best option is not to cross the line, as in the case of the invasion of general people into Iraq, then the Turkish Sokol played his game well - it seems that he did not see any visible acquisitions, but his regime he strengthened quite concretely, this proves at least how he built the generals. Yes, as I said earlier - at the first failure, he will receive change in return {from his own}, then he will not see good luck. laughing
    4. genisis
      genisis 6 September 2013 16: 03 New
      0
      Ilham Aliyev is a Kurd. Mehdiyev, Eyubov and many others.
      Kurds rule Azerbaijan.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 6 September 2013 17: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: genisis
        Ilham Aliyev is a Kurd. Mehdiyev, Eyubov and many others. Kurds rule Azerbaijan.



        OOOO, comrades turned on the light and gave water. Pull up and checked ....... wassat .
        1. genisis
          genisis 6 September 2013 18: 41 New
          0
          In the Yaroslavl Regional Court, a trial has begun on the extradition of Ibrahim Musaev, a Nakhichevan special services officer who fears for his safety at home. Musaev claims that the authorities of Nakhichevan are engaged in the supply of weapons and food to the Kurdish workers' party in Turkey and reports that he received the assignment to kill the wife of Turaj Zeynalov, who was arrested on suspicion of spying for Iran and who died in the Ministry of National Security of the Nakhichevan autonomy.
          http://www.pukmedia.com/EN/RU_Direje.aspx?Jimare=10092
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 September 2013 08: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: genisis
        Ilham Aliyev is a Kurd. Mehdiyev, Eyubov and many others.
        Kurds rule Azerbaijan.

        Davidushka, we are waiting for the canyak you lost, pieces of the pot you eaten up and recognition that you are finished L O X)))))))))
        Who wouldn’t rule Azerbaijan, then what’s the matter?))))))))))))
  5. shinobi
    shinobi 6 September 2013 09: 31 New
    +2
    Well, it seems very true. Let's see.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 6 September 2013 09: 39 New
      +7
      Popcorn and beer?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 September 2013 10: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        Popcorn and beer?

        Machine gun and hard hat!
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 6 September 2013 15: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Machine gun and hard hat!


          Super! good

          in anticipation
  6. smersh70
    smersh70 6 September 2013 09: 32 New
    -2
    Turkey will never be the key to Iran !!!!! the one who talks about this does not know the East and the real state of things !!!

    even if there are ethnic ties between Turkic peoples on the territory of Russia or another state, this does not mean that it pursues expansion and a hostile policy towards neighboring countries !!!! On the above map there is only one state that pursues a policy of occupation and territorial claims against neighbors ... by the way, and willingly uses the Kurdish question as well ..... I hope everyone understood .... Th for the country ... smile
    1. ultra
      ultra 6 September 2013 10: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: smersh70
      I hope everyone understood .... Th for the country ...

      Her! Not everyone understood! Specify the country!
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 6 September 2013 10: 15 New
        +5
        Taki probably Israel, no one else laughing
        1. ultra
          ultra 6 September 2013 10: 51 New
          +5
          Knowing the gentlemen of the Turks, I would not be so simple! hi
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 6 September 2013 12: 31 New
            -1
            Quote: ultra
            Knowing the gentlemen of the Turks


            See Dear VADIM !!!!!!!! a typical example of defamation .... let's warn him! I am Azerbaijani !!!!! ...
            1. ultra
              ultra 6 September 2013 14: 01 New
              +2
              You have a very rich imagination. hi
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 6 September 2013 14: 45 New
              +3
              Quote: smersh70
              See Dear VADIM !!!!!!!! a typical example of defamation .... let's warn him! I am Azerbaijani !!!!! ...


              looks carefully, trying to find an insult
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 6 September 2013 17: 56 New
                -1
                Quote: Karlsonn
                looks carefully



                Lawyers increased ..... laughing
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 6 September 2013 19: 10 New
                  +4
                  Quote: smersh70
                  Lawyers increased ....


                  You over react sharply even to innocent comments.
                  Why hysteria like that? And rush to the attack?

                  And that, we ourselves are not advocates.
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 6 September 2013 20: 54 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    You over react sharply even to innocent comments.


                    it's hard for me to understand your English humor smile after a hard and nervous day smile
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 6 September 2013 22: 48 New
                      +1
                      Quote: smersh70
                      it's hard for me to understand your English humor


                      I think we'll figure it out over time drinks
                2. ultra
                  ultra 6 September 2013 22: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: smersh70
                  Lawyers increased ...

                  Yes, they didn’t seem to start a case on me? Although I’ll check with a friend from the prosecutor’s office! laughing
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 September 2013 08: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: ultra
            Knowing the gentlemen of the Turks, I would not be so simple!

            I am a Turk and what do you know about me ??
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 7 September 2013 22: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              I am a Turk and what do you know about me ??


              pulls a hand from the back of the desk

              I know!
        2. alone
          alone 6 September 2013 10: 51 New
          +3
          wassat and where did you see Israel on the map)))? bully
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 6 September 2013 11: 13 New
            +6
            Wow !! he is no longer on the map, well then you can finally sleep peacefully, the world is no longer threatened by "Profesor and KO"
            1. Dober
              Dober 6 September 2013 12: 57 New
              +3
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              he is no longer on the map

              It has long been "NOT" on the map.
              And all because in 1997 Congress passed the National Defense Appropriations Act, one of the sections of which is entitled “The Prohibition on Collecting and Publicizing Detailed Satellite Images Relating to Israel.” The amendment, known as the Kil-Binghaman Amendment, calls for control of the distribution of detailed images of Israel.
              When asked about regulation, a Google spokesperson said, “Images for Google Earth come from a variety of commercial and government sources. We take our images from US-based companies that are subject to US laws, including the Kil-Binghaman amendment to the 1997 National Defense Appropriations Act, which limits the quality of resolution for satellite imagery in Israel. ”

              However, the impact of the amendment may be limited; after all, it applies only to American corporations. Turkey has repeatedly announced that its satellite GokTurk will provide high-definition images of Israel when it is commissioned in 2013.
              But since they became friends, then "we will not see Israel."
              Israel is not very happy with such a turn: the representative of Israel told Al-Arabiya, "We try to make sure that we are not photographed in high resolution, and most countries agree with this." He also added: “Should we ask the Turks to do the same?” We will not ask for it. There is no one to talk to. ”

              1
      2. duke
        duke 6 September 2013 12: 27 New
        +6
        he seems to mean Armenia, but who then so robbed Armenia, to its present borders, who bit off the Nakhichevan region, large Ararat, its Black Sea and Caspian lands? By the way, tsarist Russia recreated greater Armenia in the war of 1914, precisely because of having a reliable ally there, and Lenin, in a sign of friendship with Atatürk, gave Armenian territory to the Turks in one fell swoop. And Azerbaijan itself under the Soviets was created as a republic of the future, where all peoples will be equal ... but it turned out as always ...
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 6 September 2013 13: 10 New
          0
          Quote: duke
          who bit off the Nakhichevan region, the big Ararat, its Black Sea and Caspian lands



          not that topic ...... to answer ..... we will wait for another topic. Then I will answer ... but in response I just .. I will say .. more precisely I’ll spoil it .... laughing laughing wassat
          1. Arminian power
            Arminian power 6 September 2013 20: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            but the answer is simple. I’ll say .. more precisely I’ll spoil it ....

            vashi atci rjali skoro i vam dostanetsya wassat
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 6 September 2013 21: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: Arminian power
              vashi atci rjali skoro i vam dostanetsya


              in the area of ​​Hrazdan stadium, they also turned on the light ... 2 also appeared .... wassat ..
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 6 September 2013 12: 34 New
        +5
        Quote: ultra
        ! Specify the country!


        ON THE CARD SHOWN IN THE ARTICLE, THERE IS ONLY ONE COUNTRY .. WHICH OCCUPIED THE FOREIGN LANDS .. AND SOME OF THE CONSTITUTIONS HAVE TERRITORIAL CLAIMS FOR NEIGHBORS - SPECIFIC TO GEORGIA ..U TURKEY .. AZERTAZENIA ... AZERBANIA .. ! BE AFRAID I WILL BE SOMETHING .... hi .....
        1. ultra
          ultra 6 September 2013 14: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: smersh70
          I WILL BE AFRAID OF THERE ....

          Did someone intimidate you?
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 6 September 2013 18: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: ultra
            Did someone intimidate you?



            ..that was still not enough))))) I left my "afraid" in the Murov mountains ... hi
            1. ultra
              ultra 6 September 2013 23: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: smersh70
              I left my "afraid" in the Murov mountains.

              Either write that you will not be afraid of someone, then you are not afraid of anyone for a long time! You will decide on this! hi
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 6 September 2013 14: 48 New
          +5
          Quote: smersh70
          ON THE MAP SHOWN IN THE ARTICLE THERE IS ONLY ONE COUNTRY


          Caps Lock stuck, or was the emotional impulse too expressive?
          1. ultra
            ultra 6 September 2013 16: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Caps Lock stuck, or was the emotional impulse too expressive?

            It seems everything has merged here! laughing
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 6 September 2013 17: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: ultra
              It seems everything has merged here!


              mixed in a bunch
              horses, people ... wassat
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 6 September 2013 18: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: ultra
              Everything seems to have merged here.


              how accurate you are in your predictions .... laughing I ... I say ... Nostradamus ..... smile
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 6 September 2013 19: 11 New
                0
                Quote: smersh70
                how accurate you are in your predictions ....


                There is a difference between predictions and assumptions.
              2. ultra
                ultra 6 September 2013 23: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: smersh70
                I ... I say ... Nostradamus.

                As Karlsonn just pointed out, predicting and guessing verbs have, in Russian, different meanings! hi
    2. duke
      duke 6 September 2013 11: 58 New
      +4
      you don’t understand, are you talking about the States and Britain or something? Only they are pursuing a real policy of occupation in the Middle East, and as for territorial claims, look at the new maps that Turkish newspapers print ... or read Erdogan’s calls for a full-scale war with Syria, about the readiness of the Sauds to pay for the US intervention in Syria and etc .... so that express yourself more precisely about what a speech ... And the fact that Turkey will not be the key to Iran, hmm, hmm - as they say - we will see, in the past, the war between Turks and Persians, for influencing In the east, it was constantly, as well as with the Arabs.
      1. Very old
        Very old 6 September 2013 15: 52 New
        +4
        And who of the Azerbaijanis said recently at the forum: Iran needs to be torn up, only 48% of the Persians live there (in reality, 62%, looked at Wikipedia) -? Did someone say: let us tear Turkey?
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 6 September 2013 17: 45 New
          +2
          I spoke about 48%, because it is true. Don't rely on wiki, in general there the classic of our literature Nizami Ganjavi was declared a Persian. And in Iran, the number of Azerbaijanis is indicated as 13%, but everyone there knows that this is nonsense. And at the expense of "tearing Turkey" - this is from the same opera as "tearing NATO", "putting China in its place." Do you really believe it yourself?
          1. genisis
            genisis 6 September 2013 18: 09 New
            +4
            The only classic of your literature is Akram Aylisli. Have you read "Stone Dreams", you, a descendant of Myryg Muzaffar? http://magazines.russ.ru/druzhba/2012/12/aa5.html

            By order of the Azerbaijani authorities, ornaments on the grave of the Iranian poet Nizami Ganjavi with an inscription in Farsi are destroyed. This is stated in an article published on the Iranian website azariha.org.

            An Iranian source notes that the ornaments on the walls of the grave of Nizami Ganjavi with the poet's poems in Farsi were dismantled for repair, but were not reinstalled.

            The author of the article, referring to the above fact, writes: “Over the past few years, Azerbaijan has massively distorted the nationality of the famous Iranian poet Nizami Ganjavi. In this regard, the Heydar Aliyev Foundation recently allocated 110 thousand euros to the City Hall of Rome to establish a monument to Nizami Ganjavi in ​​one of the local squares, but this should be a monument to an Azerbaijani writer. It should be noted that Italian researchers expressed their protest in this regard. ”

            “Over the past twenty years, Azerbaijan has betrayed Nizami Ganjavi, who worked in Farsi and did not write beit (couplet) in another language, in school books as an Azerbaijani poet. Moreover, over the years, Azerbaijan has also changed names with Persian suffixes, ”an Iranian source adds.

            According to the FARS Iranian news agency, Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Seyed Abbas Arakchi, commenting on the above statement at a meeting with reporters, said in particular: “Even if, through the efforts of Azerbaijan, poetic inscriptions in Farsi engraved on the grave of Nizami Ganjavi will suddenly appear written in Turkic language, it still will not be able to change the fact of the historical and cultural identity of the Farsi-speaking poet. ”
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 7 September 2013 08: 39 New
              +2
              A whole stream of nonsense, and not a single word in the case. If you compare Aylisli (whom no one reads) with Nizami, and repeat word for word the ravings of the Persians, then personally I am not surprised at anything. What to expect from the representative of hai, for whom plagiarism has become the main idea of ​​fix.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 September 2013 08: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: smersh70
      Turkey will never be the key to Iran!

      That's right!
      Who says this is a dilitant and completely off topic!
  7. tungus
    tungus 6 September 2013 09: 39 New
    +9
    Creating a chaos in the BV, and spreading it to more and more countries, the amers are either naive, believing that they can control this chaos, or, more likely, they were not going to control anything from the very beginning. They simply ignited the fire and the goal of this fire is permanent war of all with all. Destruction of the institution of states, civil wars, falling living standards and the level of development of countries, the collapse of countries into as small fragments as possible. That is the main goal. And this will happen on its own, without the need for corrections. Enough of the first step is the overthrow of legitimate authority.
    Interestingly, this is destined not only to the Middle East. This will affect everyone, including Europe. Otherwise, it would not be worth the fence. And in the end, on the planet there will be only one stable country, the United States, which will rise above the bubbling chaos of the rest of the world. Here is just one thing ... The more complex the system, the less predictable it is. And there is a high probability that the United States will not be able to isolate itself by the ocean from the fire that they set on fire.
    1. duke
      duke 6 September 2013 12: 29 New
      +3
      so you answered yourself, this is called geopolitics, only you were mistaken that the system will not be more complicated, because the main players will retain their strength, and the rest will be cut for bread and water, reducing their excessive and poorly managed population ...
  8. Forest
    Forest 6 September 2013 09: 47 New
    +3
    "Today our 1937 is going through." - at 37. Trotskyists were just cleaned up in our country, and in Turkey, on the contrary, "Trotskyists-intarnationalists" are judging the military.
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 September 2013 09: 52 New
    +1
    No guys, this is just a theory. The next war will be in another place.
    1. ultra
      ultra 6 September 2013 23: 05 New
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      . The next war will be in another place.

      And most likely with stone axes, if there is anyone to fight at all!
  10. VladimS
    VladimS 6 September 2013 10: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: xetai9977
    Kurds are not monolithic. There are Yezidi Kurds numbering 1-1,5 million. They have a special religion. There are Sunnis, Shiites, Christians, and Alevites (not to be confused with the Alawites), which, according to some scholars, are the same Armenians. And at the expense of the title of the article, Turkey at the beginning of the 20th century stood against the combined forces of England, France and Greece, did not fall. Now, even more so, it will not fall.


    At the beginning of the last century, there was a classic war in Turkey, and now, first of all, they do not abandon attempts to collapse the country from within. They find scoundrels and scum selling their homeland for "30 pieces of silver", from the top management
  11. morpogr
    morpogr 6 September 2013 10: 08 New
    +2
    Probably Turkey will be drawn into the conflict and it will definitely blaze on its territory if the Saudis join and pay again, there will be no countries, and it is clear to everyone that strong countries near the Saudi monarchy are dangerous and dangerous to everyone. Hence the conclusion that control chaos there will be monarchies under the control of the usa.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 6 September 2013 10: 45 New
      +1
      I do not believe that the United States is interested in the collapse of Turkey. For 50 years, they have been the outpost of NATO, so to speak, the most combat-ready after the Americans. And suddenly, at the instigation of the Qatari and Saudis, who are always on their minds, will ruin a tried and tested ally ....?
      1. Hort
        Hort 6 September 2013 11: 54 New
        +3
        the most combat-ready? And how many wars did the Turkish army participate in since Ataturk?
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 6 September 2013 11: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: hort
          And how many wars did the Turkish army participate in since Ataturk?


          In Korea, Cyprus and 30 years with the GAC!
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 6 September 2013 14: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: ayyildiz
            In Korea


            And what happened? Turkish army won?

            Quote: ayyildiz
            Cyprus


            good

            Quote: ayyildiz
            and 30 years with the PAC!


            30 years, a regular army is fighting with the partisans! good
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 6 September 2013 12: 35 New
          0
          Quote: hort
          And how many wars did the Turkish army participate in since Ataturk?


          read how completely defeated the army .. and besides a member of NATO .... then its economic and political situation was even worse than it is now !!!. were not afraid of anyone .....
          1. Hort
            Hort 6 September 2013 14: 26 New
            +3
            Greeks mean? Not the most combat-ready army, in my opinion)
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 6 September 2013 14: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: smersh70
            read how completely defeated the army .. and besides a member of NATO


            And how did NATO respond to the attack on one of its own? Did the US bring its aircraft carriers? NATO bombed Turkey?
      2. duke
        duke 6 September 2013 12: 04 New
        +4
        do not forget that the Saudis are building a caliphate, and the Turks Osmaniyah-2 and Saudi Arabia there are Turkish pashalyk, in addition, the Turks will never fall under the Saudis, who expelled the Hashemite dynasty and are considered not legitimate, so the confrontation is already beginning ... In addition, the US elite ALWAYS applies a system of checks and balances, and you deign to interpret that Turkey will not be the key to Iran.
      3. Very old
        Very old 6 September 2013 15: 55 New
        +1
        Turkey States need. It is painful for an ATLANTIC state to scatter such allies.
      4. a52333
        a52333 6 September 2013 17: 40 New
        +2
        I do not believe that the United States is interested in the collapse of Turkey. For 50 years, they were, so to speak, an outpost of NATO, moreover, the most combat-ready after the Americans.
        Hussein fought for them 8 years and Iran. The result, I’m sure, is not worth reminding.
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  13. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 6 September 2013 10: 10 New
    +1
    In Turkey, the Kurdish question is not urgent right now, and if it does arise, the Turks will quickly suppress it, there is experience, all protests against Erdogan will quickly subside, since the Turks are united on the Kurdish issue.
    1. duke
      duke 6 September 2013 12: 32 New
      +3
      they have been crushing quickly for many years ... do not forget that now every 5th in Turkey is a Kurd, because in Turkish families, there are 1-2 children each, as we have for example, and among Kurds 10-15 children in the family and this is a big problem ...
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 6 September 2013 13: 13 New
        0
        Quote: duke
        and Kurds have 10-15 children per family and this is a big problem ...



        maybe this problem is for your historical homeland. wassat But it’s not Turkey’s problem ... laughing ..
        1. duke
          duke 6 September 2013 17: 52 New
          +1
          Well, don’t tell me, just for Turkey this is an acute problem, just read the Turkish newspapers ...
  14. pinecone
    pinecone 6 September 2013 10: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: smersh70
    better mow under the Yezidis and here on the site !!! because of the biased attitude of some comrades towards us .. 50% have already been taken away .... So much for the attitude towards us and our country !!!!!!!!! even tear the truth the uterus on your vest or head ... still knock like a wall ....


    The map is old. The indications on it about the next "spring offensive" of Kurdish militants and the establishment of the so-called "no-fly zone" in northern Iraq suggests that it was painted before 2003.
    Apparently, the author of the article gives out wishful thinking.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 6 September 2013 10: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: pinecone
      Apparently, the author of the article gives out wishful thinking.

      That's right. In the west of Turkey there are more Kurds than in the southeast. How are things with them?
      3 million Turkish-Kurdish families eat. Actually in Turkey, Kurds from 8-10 million
  15. Next
    Next 6 September 2013 10: 28 New
    0
    No matter. Anyway, in such a scenario, Iran and Turkey will end. And will our ships plow the sea? I don’t think so. Syria is a step that no one has yet crossed, so we'll wait and see. It's not over yet .. .a article is written with doom.
  16. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 6 September 2013 10: 49 New
    +2
    US understands (Turkey) whipping boy What did the Turks want? No one ever treated mongrel well! laughing
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 6 September 2013 11: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      US understands (Turkey) whipping boy

      But where did the US beat Turkey?
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 6 September 2013 12: 52 New
        0
        I think the Turks know better how the US perceives them. And "whipping boy" doesn't mean
        Quote: ayyildiz
        USA beat Turkey
        .
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 6 September 2013 11: 01 New
    +5
    I just can’t understand one thing, the lack of it, as I read yesterday that Turkey is ready to join any coalition against Syria, even if it’s against the line. Is Erdogan ready to put his state at stake played by the Arab League monarchies? After all, he cannot know how things will turn out. The USA and Europe are far away and Syria is here. And how does Assad cornered in Turkey, Israel, with all its arsenal of chemical weapons, smell of? and suddenly, despite the patriots, heels of missiles will fly to Istanbul and Tel Aviv? and not just mustard gas, but slaughter complexes of the latest developments of the USSR.
    My dog ​​was a Pit Bull Terrier, and so the fighting instructors said that you can’t train fighting dogs on mongrels, since a fighting dog fights for pleasure, and a mongrel can do irreparable damage in his life. I think Erdogan if he feels like a fighting dog, and Assad is a mongrel, you should think about what Turkey will fight for and what Assad and the people of Syria are for.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 6 September 2013 11: 22 New
      -1
      If Turkey gets into Syria, then only against the brainchild of the RKK, DYP!
    2. duke
      duke 6 September 2013 12: 08 New
      +6
      Duc of Istanbul in the spring, little Erdogan was given to understand that you need to play by the rules that adult uncles set overseas, otherwise you can play it out ... he needs to send them a signal that he understood what he was doing ...
  18. biglow
    biglow 6 September 2013 11: 06 New
    +2
    Most of all, it is not clear why the rulers of Turkey refuse the legacy of Ataturk, who brought Turkey out of the Middle Ages. And Erdogan is trying to return the Turks back to wildness
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 6 September 2013 11: 18 New
      -3
      Quote: biglow
      .And Erdogan is trying to return the Turks back to wildness


      How does he do this please explain?
    2. duke
      duke 6 September 2013 12: 13 New
      +2
      Erdogan seems to be trying, given the activity of Saudi and Iran, to lead the Islamic project in the Middle East, using the power of Turkey, but how can this be done if he continues to position his country as a secular state? Here panimash all means are good, because under the guise you can bite off a piece of Syria for example, and there the appetite will come with a meal ...
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 6 September 2013 12: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: duke
        Erdogan seems to be trying, given the activity of Saudi and Iran, to lead the Islamic project in the Middle East, using the power of Turkey, but how can this be done if he continues to position his country as a secular state? Here panimash all means are good, because under the guise you can bite off a piece of Syria for example, and there the appetite will come with a meal ...

        Turkey already plays by the rules of the LAS monarchies today, so nothing shines for it except a party of coffins to its homeland.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 6 September 2013 12: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: ed65b
          Turkey already plays by the rules of the Arab League monarchies today

          No matter how he plays, the SA did not hold Mursi and Turkey turned around!
        2. duke
          duke 6 September 2013 17: 55 New
          0
          Well, it seems so to you, the Turks can make beautiful eyes and play tricks and play up, but they always play, unlike some, only for themselves ... as long as it is beneficial for them to have Saudis as friends, they will have them, and then they will have them ...
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 6 September 2013 20: 45 New
            +1
            I do not agree, the Turks are an inspired people. In the entire history of the Russian-Turkish wars, she always started them after listening to Western songs and being convinced of their full support. And then she was deceived and thrown under Russian regiments. Today's situation is tracing the past.
  19. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 6 September 2013 11: 12 New
    +1
    Today, “the Turkish authorities are finishing off the army,” 3 “Kommersant” reports 2013 in September: “Turkey entered a new stage in the struggle between the country's Islamist authorities and the army, which is considered the guarantor of the secular system, yesterday. More than a hundred officers were brought to trial on charges of displacing the first government of Islamists led by N. Erbakan, the predecessor and mentor of incumbent Prime Minister R. Erdogan, in 1997, who had already initiated several demonstration trials of the military. ” In other words, the army in Turkey is experiencing our 1937 year today.

    275 of those arrested, not all of them are military, some are military pensioners, Who thinks that TSK was holding on to them is deeply mistaken!
  20. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 6 September 2013 11: 14 New
    +1
    Once I wrote an article on VO "Kurdistan as Poland a century ago". Everything is the same here, only from a different angle.
  21. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 6 September 2013 11: 16 New
    +1
    Abamka then broke something.

    http://www.kommersant.ru/news/2272499
    1. alone
      alone 6 September 2013 11: 27 New
      +4
      it is about expanding the list of 50 Syrian sites, originally compiled by the military of France. Thus, a coalition of American and French troops can strike at those parts of the Syrian army that may be responsible for carrying out a chemical attack, at the headquarters units that planned it, and artillery and missile batteries that directly struck.


      100% is the 4th mechanized division, separate special forces regiments, armored units, brigades of the OTR, air bases and air defense units, and the entire combat elite of the Syrian army is on the fly. If they manage to fulfill their plans, the outcome of the battle will be decided.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 6 September 2013 11: 44 New
        +2
        It’s natural, of course, but here I agree with you 100%, I hope only for the unreliability of the source, all the same a comedian.
  22. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 6 September 2013 11: 25 New
    +6
    I feel that soon Turkey will have to recognize the Armenian Genocide. Not of my own free will, of course, but based on the results of climbing my dirty hands into Syria. Erdogan can look at Saakashvili’s friend and how friendship with the United States helped him. It’s a pity only the people through whose blood this will happen. am
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 6 September 2013 11: 32 New
      -1
      Quote: Yoon Klob
      I feel that Turkey will soon have to recognize the Armenian Genocide

      Turkey will never recognize what was not!

      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 6 September 2013 12: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: ayyildiz
        Turkey will never recognize what was not!


        What happened?
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 6 September 2013 12: 12 New
          -4
          Quote: Karlsonn
          What happened?

          Deportation, What Stalin did to his citizens hi
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 6 September 2013 12: 15 New
            +4
            Armenians have a slightly different point of view on this hi
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 6 September 2013 12: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              Armenians have a slightly different point of view on this

              But the Armenians have it, then the archives will be empty!

              We never said that there was nothing, but this is not "genocide"

              Eats 527000 more slain Turks and Kurds from the side of Armenians, but there is silence about them from them!
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 6 September 2013 15: 03 New
                +3
                Quote: ayyildiz
                We never said that there was nothing, but this is not "genocide"


                Mochilovo people on a national basis and there is genocide, by definition.
              2. Arminian power
                Arminian power 10 October 2013 10: 36 New
                0
                The reports of German military attaches, American missionaries, even in the Vatican archives there are many documents.
                Quote: ayyildiz
                then empty open archives
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 6 September 2013 13: 34 New
              -2
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              Armenians have a slightly different point of view on this



              to tear off a larger piece from the neighbors, including the Kurds ... of course there will be a different point of view ... but who looks at their point of view fellow always used them .. and then to the dump of history ........ hi
              1. Berserk
                Berserk 7 September 2013 01: 44 New
                -1
                Interesting girls are dancing. Do you even think before you write. Who is watching ... Come on, get Karabakh. What are you waiting for? Since they are so worthless that no one is looking at their point of view ... That's an honest word, I never thought that the relatives of my colleague were like that. Shame on you?
            3. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 6 September 2013 15: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              Armenians have a slightly different point of view on this


              Turks do not recognize war crimes and this is not news.
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 6 September 2013 15: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Deportation, What Stalin did to his citizens


            The massacre is somewhat different from deportation.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 6 September 2013 15: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Karlsonn
              Karlsonn


              Very few were cut and shot, and the Armenians know this! Therefore, the archives do not want to open hi

              But the Armenians massacred and shot 527.000 Turks and Kurds is a fact!
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 6 September 2013 15: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: ayyildiz
                Very few were cut and shot, and the Armenians know this! Therefore, the archives do not want to open


                what

                Quote: ayyildiz
                But the Armenians massacred and shot 527.000 Turks and Kurds is a fact!


                How is this confirmed?
                1. genisis
                  genisis 6 September 2013 16: 16 New
                  0
                  How is this confirmed?


                  Swears by mom laughing
                  1. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 6 September 2013 17: 04 New
                    0
                    Quote: genisis
                    Swears by mom

                    It’s not customary to swear with mom in Turkey, here it is customary for you! laughing
                2. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 6 September 2013 17: 01 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  How is this confirmed?


                  Do not worry confirmations! And soon they will be opened!
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 6 September 2013 17: 27 New
                    +1
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    Do not worry confirmations! And soon they will be opened!


                    And we finally find out the terrible Truth?

                    all in excitement teasing in hands of three
                    1. tilovaykrisa
                      tilovaykrisa 6 September 2013 17: 38 New
                      +3
                      Maybe she’s not so scary and stop fiddling with your tripe, at least it’s not decent to do it in public laughing
                      1. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn 6 September 2013 19: 15 New
                        0
                        Quote: tilovaykrisa
                        and stop fiddling with your tripe it is at least not decent to do in public


                        Since when?
                  2. tilovaykrisa
                    tilovaykrisa 6 September 2013 17: 36 New
                    +2
                    Open before the fight?
                  3. duke
                    duke 6 September 2013 17: 59 New
                    +1
                    and soon they will be opened - only it will not be on Tuesday and not this week ...
      2. duke
        duke 6 September 2013 17: 57 New
        +1
        here it is Turkish duplicity, all the dew of God, two million people were cut out and there was nothing wrong ... look gentlemen, how to deal with them ...
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 6 September 2013 18: 09 New
          -2
          Quote: duke
          , cut out two million people and there was nothing wrong


          And so it is clear where there is duplicity, after yesterday it was one, yesterday it became one and a half, and today it is already two million! And in the Ottoman Empire, 1.250.000 Armenians lived
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 6 September 2013 18: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: duke
          slaughtered two million people



          Yes, there lived about 1 million Armenians in total ... where the rest came from .... maybe someone suggested to you .... read more literature .... or look at this--
          1. genisis
            genisis 6 September 2013 18: 31 New
            0
            We will not object to the professor, get involved in an argument with him and reproach him for ignorance. Let us only note that "it is necessary to sort it out" - this is also a direct allusion to the favorite horse of the Turkish policy of denial - the notorious "commission of historians", the formation of which Ankara has long sought. But we are pleased to remind Mr. Meyer of his own interview seven years ago. It demonstrates so clearly the striking change in the position of the professor that it completely sweeps aside any doubt that this position has been very seriously affected. This is what M. Meyer said in March 2006, meeting with the Yerevan audience at the South Caucasus branch of the "Caucasian Institute for Democracy" Development Fund.

            "You can write an objective history of the events of 1915-1923 in Ottoman Turkey. But the point is not in the number of killed and deported Armenians, but in the fact that half of the population of Western Armenia was destroyed. The gene pool of the nation was destroyed," the scientist said. According to him, during the First World War there was no term "genocide", but nothing changed from this. "Turkey needs to reconsider its attitude to the Armenian Genocide. The delay in this process will lead to negative consequences for the country itself," the professor says, according to which Turkey is afraid not so much of the territorial claims from Armenia as compensation for material and moral damage. "No economy can withstand such compensation," Meyer emphasizes and adds: "I think that the EU will nevertheless put recognition of the fact of the Armenian Genocide as one of the conditions for accepting the country. EU representatives should be taken to the Genocide Museum to see what really happened. in 1915 ". (http://www.panarmenian.net/rus/society/news/17105/).

            So when were you sincere, Mikhail Serafimovich? What new "facts" have been dug up that "there was a massacre on both sides"? And why today do you put an emphasis on the number of exterminated Armenians, who in your interviews are getting smaller each time, if earlier they quite rightly shared the point of view of leading genocide scholars that "the point is not in the number of killed and deported Armenians", but in the fact that "the nation's gene pool has been destroyed"? And the damage done to the Armenian people is so great that "no economy can withstand such compensation" ...
      3. Very old
        Very old 6 September 2013 21: 03 New
        0
        Then we have to admit: the whole world, the whole of Europe, both Americas are in error. Like Asia and Australia.
  23. Druid
    Druid 6 September 2013 11: 32 New
    +5
    Quote: pinecone
    The indications on it about the next "spring offensive" of Kurdish militants and the establishment of the so-called "no-fly zone" in northern Iraq suggests that it was drawn before 2003.
    Apparently, the author of the article gives out wishful thinking.
    Wrong. Read the explanation on the left of the map, above 36 parallel. The author simply gives all the steps related to the Kurds. It didn’t occur to you to say that the map of the 45th year is only because the Kurdish republic is indicated which existed for a year on the territory of Iran.

    The Kurdish question is very complex, in it the devil himself will break his leg. The fact that the United States can use the Kurds to destabilize the situation in Iran is quite possible.

    At the moment, the Iraqi leadership is not able to control the Kurdish provinces in the north. For Turkey, the threat can be considered at least relatively serious only after the disintegration of Iraq into three parts: two Arab, Sunni and Shiite, and the third Kurdish. Following the collapse of Syria and the unification of the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds within the same borders. All this is unlikely. Only in these conditions can we talk about a certain Kurdish threat to Turkey.

    Separately regarding the comments of members of the forum.
    Turkey cannot play pan-Turkism and pan-Islam at the same time.
    Pan-Islamism. On the one hand, the Arabs historically do not like Turkey and it is not for her to play the first violin in the region, and they cannot compete with Saudi Arabia and other richest countries in the region, as well as US allies, especially since there are large Arab investments in the US economy and capital flows, which which simply nobody will let the Turks. On the other hand, the Ottoman Turks, like most of the Turks, belong to the Sunni trend in Islam, but between the Central Asian Turks Sunnis there is a religious barrier of Shiite Turks - Azerbaijanis. The arrival of Islamists in Shiite Azerbaijan to power, a nightmare for Turkey and its partners. The Turks in the North Caucasus and in the European part of Russia are practically "out of the access zone" for Turkey, relatively unhindered access only to the Crimean Tatars of Ukraine.
    Pan-Turkism Islamists in power in Turkey and even moderate Islamization of Turkey are foreign to the Turks, and are negatively perceived by the majority of the population and the authorities of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan.

    Well, and one more important circumstance. The Ottoman Turks, like the Russians, like the Persians, sorry for their frankness, but chauvinists, and also dream of "collecting lands" and empires, and this has gotten everyone to the point. In addition, all of the above Turkic states have rich resources, have long since recovered from the crisis of the collapse of the USSR, entered the world, took a certain place, themselves are important to many regional superpowers like Russia, China, Iran, powers outside the region - the USA, Great Britain, France and Germany, have formed a national policy and do not need a guide and another big brother, Turkey is more interesting as a partner and a source of experience, especially since almost everyone has a good attitude towards Turkey, the people, language and culture are quite close.
    The great misfortune and mistake of Turkey is the rise to power of the Islamists and an attempt to climb into the Arab region, once part of the Ottoman Empire. It was more correct and simpler to adhere to the previous course, correcting obvious excesses infringing on the rights of Muslims in Turkey in domestic politics and continuing to develop and strengthen relations with the Turkic countries of the former USSR in competition with Russia.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 6 September 2013 11: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Druid
      . The arrival of Islamists in Shiite Azerbaijan to power, the terrible dream of Turkey and its partners

      Where did you see that the Turks were against Shiites?

      Yes, eating cons only in the fact that Azerbaijan can come closer to Iran from which it does not shine anything good!
    2. duke
      duke 6 September 2013 18: 07 New
      +2
      commentary is all contradictory, difficult to discuss
  24. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 6 September 2013 11: 52 New
    +4
    The article is true about Turkey.

    I will answer the critics who say "why should the US ruin Turkey, a NATO member, etc.)?"

    Lord! Remember the Russian Empire, a member of the Entente in World War I!

    The Russian Empire is the only Entente state that fought "for its dismemberment and destruction."

    Critics, you argue, why did England and France want to ruin their deity with the then ally?
  25. Druid
    Druid 6 September 2013 11: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: ayyildiz
    Where did you see that the Turks were against Shiites?
    And where did you read about this in my post?
  26. Druid
    Druid 6 September 2013 11: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: ayyildiz
    eating cons only in the fact that Azerbaijan can come closer with Iran
    Well, if you consider the annexation of Northern Azerbaijan as a small minus ...
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 6 September 2013 12: 06 New
      +2
      You wrote that for us a nightmare "The arrival of Islamists in Shiite Azerbaijan to power, a nightmare of Turkey and its partners"
  27. Black
    Black 6 September 2013 12: 05 New
    +4
    It is true that Turkey really is the key to the region. Strong Turkey or unpredictable Kurds - what will the staples choose?
    The United States and Europe did everything to ensure that the Turks get stronger day by day. Reinforced to break apart? Turkey is currently strong, both financially and spiritually.
    The collapse of the armibirades is nocturnal, the desire of amers to ruin Turkey is the insinuations of a sick imagination.
  28. 416sd
    416sd 6 September 2013 12: 17 New
    +1
    Oheret, 80 people sit and seriously discuss an article of 12 paragraphs and one map, which describes why and how Turkey will break up ...

    laughing

    Of the twelve paragraphs, only a list of scientific workers who usually work on serious materials on this topic should consist of.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 6 September 2013 12: 23 New
      +6
      Quote: 416sd
      Oheret, 80 people sit and seriously discuss an article of 12 paragraphs and one map, which describes why and how Turkey will break up ...

      laughing

      Of the twelve paragraphs, only a list of scientific workers who usually work on serious materials on this topic should consist of.

      Get used to Heydar, here we can discuss one line for 2 days and how, smoke is worth it. laughing
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 6 September 2013 13: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: ed65b
        and how much, already smoke is



        laughing drinks and in conclusion, Hasharat and I will be guilty laughing wassat
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 6 September 2013 20: 39 New
          +1
          Well smersh, well give !!!! hi
  29. Sharingan
    Sharingan 6 September 2013 12: 18 New
    +1
    Hmm. The Roman Empire is now remembered, in general, positively, as a beacon of enlightenment, science, philosophy, art and culture, although a lot of people were massacred, they controlled vast territories, "sucked" the juices from other nations.
    S t.z. captured peoples - all this is sad, and, in general, they are bastards, with t.z. Stories - Rome has advanced their progress far ahead.
    And the founding fathers built America as the successor to the Roman Empire.
    So the countries now occupied by the United States would have estimated that what would have happened in a couple of decades like Germany, Japan or South Korea.

    PS As a detached, unemotional observation. And so, of course, they are bastards :)
  30. Victor Kamenev
    6 September 2013 12: 57 New
    +2
    All comments are very interesting, there will be a continuation of "The Fall of Turkey", in which I will try to answer some of the questions posed. The main circumstance that critics do not take into account is the US strategic line for world domination, which is mentioned at the beginning of the article. And also the fact that the United States has the resources to influence the development of the situation in this region. All BW subjects are needed by the United States insofar as they contribute to their main goal - the destabilization of Russia. Actually, therefore, the United States will not only donate Turkey, but also push ...
    1. alone
      alone 6 September 2013 13: 03 New
      +2
      Do you think the United States and NATO can sacrifice Turkey? Turkey is located in such a strategic place that losing her as an ally will destroy all the plans of the Americans in this direction. For their own interests, amers can easily arrange a second Iraq for the Kurds to keep Turkey close
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 6 September 2013 13: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      This is the strategic line of the United States for world domination.


      but we didn’t know ... from the mountains or from Mars laughing Yes, it’s for us from the first class ...
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      The US has the resources to influence the development of the situation in this region

      thanks for reminding ...... bully
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      their main goal is to destabilize Russia.

      Well, here is the main goal! I agree !!
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      therefore, the United States will not only donate Turkey, but also push it ...

      and here .. sorry ..... smile
  31. Zhenya
    Zhenya 6 September 2013 13: 17 New
    0
    With all hands and feet for the collapse of Turkey and for the return of Constantinople to the Greeks from Muslim oppression. I hope Russia will make every effort to break up the main enemy in the Black Sea region and destroy this state as such.
    Freedom to the Kurds !!! The death of Turkey!
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 6 September 2013 13: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: Marrying
      With all arms and legs for the collapse of Turkey

      forgot about the rest of the body wassat
      Quote: Marrying
      for the return of Constantinople to the Greeks from the oppression of Muslims.

      I didn’t know that they were rising from the past .... fellow
      Quote: Marrying
      I hope Russia will do its best

      Hope ..... hope ..... Thank God that you are not the President of the country .... smile
      Quote: Marrying
      Freedom to the Kurds

      ...... from the oppression of the KGB and other foreign intelligence services .... laughing
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 6 September 2013 13: 34 New
        +2
        smersh70
        1. Mustache and tail?)) There is a good cartoon.
        2. Moscow the third Rome, Constantinople the second? Did not know? Learn the story. One of the main shrines of the Orthodox can be said.
        3. If I were him, I would have made a lot of efforts to foment a civil war in this country, but formally everything goes to this.
        4. Kurds are the main enemy of current Turkey, whatever one may say.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 6 September 2013 13: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: Marrying
          Kurds are the main enemy of current Turkey, whatever one may say.


          And you see who feeds them in northern Iraq and where they all buy!
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 6 September 2013 14: 08 New
            0
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Quote: Marrying
            Kurds are the main enemy of current Turkey, whatever one may say.


            And you see who feeds them in northern Iraq and where they all buy!


            Enlighten, I'm interested.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 6 September 2013 15: 02 New
              +3
              Quote: Marrying
              Enlighten, I'm interested.

              The bulk of Kurdistan import of goods falls on Turkey - according to various data from 70 – 80%. In the largest Erbil mall Majidi Mall 60% of the space is occupied by Turkish companies, and the share of Turkish goods is about 70%.
          2. duke
            duke 6 September 2013 18: 17 New
            0
            Iraqi Kurdistan feeds them oil and the States and Britain, by right of occupation, as well as their beloved Turetchina hehe buy it. Where does everyone buy it from? From Turkey, of course ... you know the business ...
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 6 September 2013 13: 33 New
      -1
      Quote: Marrying
      With all arms and legs for the collapse of Turkey

      How many do you have?
      Quote: Marrying
      for the return of Constantinople to the Greeks from the oppression of Muslims.

      In a country where 18% Muslims are dangerous to write such things!
      Quote: Marrying
      the destruction of this state as such.

      So give it a try!
      Quote: Marrying
      Freedom to the Kurds

      Go and join the PAC, what's stopping you?
      Quote: Marrying
      The death of Turkey!

      Where do admins look?
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 6 September 2013 13: 41 New
        +4
        ayyildiz
        1. A lot.
        2. What? If you came to my country, this does not mean that I should listen to you. Of these, not 18, but 15%, 5% are newcomers, like you. 10% is a minority, and since when should the majority hear the minority?
        3. And what should I try?) Your comments are inadequate; go take a sedative.
        4. I have enough of my problems, and here am I and the geopolitical game of countries? This is not a pro-Turkish site and not Azerbaijani, know your place.
        5. And where should they look, this is a Russian site.
        ps
        Do not like do not read.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 6 September 2013 13: 56 New
          -1
          Quote: Marrying
          If you came to my country, this does not mean that I should listen to you

          Nobody forces you!

          Quote: Marrying
          What should I try?

          You offer all the Muslims exterminated in Istanbul!
          Quote: Marrying
          ) Your comments are inadequate, go sedative accept.

          My name means cold-blooded, and I correspond to it! But you certainly need to!
          Quote: Marrying
          I have my own problems, and here I am a geopolitical game
          nations

          Then deal with your problems and not with slogans!

          Quote: Marrying
          And where should they look, this is a Russian site.

          First of all, all Russian! And it includes a lot of nationality!
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 6 September 2013 14: 08 New
            +5
            ayyildiz
            1. You have a beautiful name, I have a noble translation from Greek, most of the names in Russia are from the Greeks, Russians are closely intertwined with the Greeks.
            2. I do not offer CUT OUT Muslims, do not lie, I propose to return the Orthodox relic to a country (Greece), whose city was not even a century old, and the Ottoman Empire took over this city and destroyed almost the entire culture for your information, you are our protector.
            3. I'm just calm, just sharp in expressions, that's all.
            4. So you are here with your "colleagues in the lobby", that's all you are doing.
            5. There is no Russian, there is Russian.
      2. Very old
        Very old 6 September 2013 21: 20 New
        0
        And really, WHERE? The site is openly propagating pan-Turkism: read the comments of Asan Ata. He blundered to such an extent that he declared the Turkic languages ​​divine, But we all have already gone through this, remember which languages ​​were declared exceptional (peoples, too)? Or are history lessons not good?
        1. Arminian power
          Arminian power 10 October 2013 10: 46 New
          0
          hi
          Quote: Very old
          The site is open propaganda of pan-Turkism
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 6 September 2013 17: 57 New
      +1
      Zhenya ... for the return of Constantinople ...
      To begin with, take valerian, they say soothing. As for Istanbul ... many tried to take it away from the Turks ... could not, overgrown with weeds.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 6 September 2013 19: 21 New
        0
        Quote: xetai9977
        As for Istanbul ... many tried to take it away from the Turks ... could not, overgrown with weeds.


        I'm not talking about many, they are parallel to me, but as for us, the "sick member of Europe" and the fate of the "sick" capital was saved only by the threat of England and France to start a big war.

        Quote: xetai9977
        ... could not, overgrown with weeds.


        Russian-Turkish wars mainly about how the Turks weaned fertilized wink
        1. Very old
          Very old 6 September 2013 21: 25 New
          +2
          Emperor of Russia stopped SKOBELEV; what would the situation be
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 6 September 2013 22: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Very old
            Emperor of Russia stopped SKOBELEV;


            And what was the emperor’s reason?
            1. Very old
              Very old 7 September 2013 08: 29 New
              0
              Chatted His Majesty. And who? Ostsee Barons
  32. individual
    individual 6 September 2013 13: 19 New
    +2
    The pendulum of the devastating rink moves through the Middle East.
    If you follow the author of the publication, then this fate will not pass the Saudis, Qatari and the faithful wing of the United States Adjutant - Israel?
    The question is, if the states create a precedent for the destruction of their vassal Turkey, a NATO member, then who will they rely on in their plans for global hegemony? After all, NATO was created to protect the interests of the United States, as a working tool to "rake in the heat" by someone else's hands.
    Is there enough striped resource to fight against the whole world alone?
    So, what about Turkey - the version is thrown,so that Erdogan lives and remembers who is dad over him and not particularly keen on Ottomanism.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 6 September 2013 13: 23 New
      0
      America is no longer able to hold everything in its hands and its sixes like Turkey, they can safely throw, as it is necessary to sacrifice someone.
    2. Very old
      Very old 7 September 2013 16: 50 New
      0
      Right. What am I talking about? While the dog is serving, you need
  33. wax
    wax 6 September 2013 13: 54 New
    +1
    Turkey is NATO, and inside NATO, in no case can serious turmoil be allowed. Therefore, all these speculations that the States can merge Turkey are pure fantasy.
    1. Very old
      Very old 6 September 2013 21: 27 New
      +1
      Dreamers allowed to cut CYPRUS in half (both countries in NATO)
  34. Druid
    Druid 6 September 2013 14: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: Wax
    Turkey is NATO, and inside NATO, in no case can serious turmoil be allowed. Therefore, all these speculations that the States can merge Turkey are pure fantasy.
    Well, glory to you, Lord, finally at least someone sober drinks

    Quote: Marrying
    2. What? If you came to my country, this does not mean that I should listen to you. Of these, not 18, but 15%, 5% are newcomers, like you. 10% is a minority, and since when should the majority hear the minority?
    Evgeny "Batkovich", went too far, Muslims or Muslim peoples by origin are the indigenous inhabitants of the Russian Federation and more often they came in large numbers, and not they to anyone, except Muslims, our religion, we are also Turks, in addition, due to greed and inclusion Derbent to Russia, for example, Azerbaijanis are an indigenous people for the Russian Federation.
    Well, for the general development, the number of Turkic peoples of Russia according to the 2002 census, thousand people, alphabetically: Azerbaijanis 621, Albanians 0,3, Altaians 67, Balkars 108, Bashkirs 1674, Nagaybaki 10, Nogais 91, Gagauz 17, Dolgans 7, Kabardins 520, Kazakhs 655, Karaites 0,4, Karakalpaks 2, Karachais 192, Kyrgyz 32, Kryashen 26, Tatars 5558, Siberian Tatars 10, Crimean Tatars 4, Teleuts 2, Tofalars 1, Tuvans 244, Tuvans-36 Todzhins , Turks 92, Meskhetian Turks 3, Turkmens 33, Uzbeks 123, Uigurs 3, Khakasses 76, Krymchaks 0,2, Kumyks 423, Chuvashs 1637, Chulyms 0,7, Shors 14, Yakuts 478.
    By the way, if you noticed the Turks, he is the current Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    In addition, I dare to assure you, after the invasion of the Tatar-Mongols, or rather the Tatars, as all the Turks in Russia were called and 200 years of "unity", you are also a relative of a pancake, albeit distant to the Turks.

    Quote: Marrying
    4. Kurds are the main enemy of current Turkey, whatever one may say.
    Not everything is so simple, on the one hand you seem to be right, but on the other hand, most of the big businessmen in Turkey are Kurds. The same situevina with Azerbaijanis in Iran seems to be squeezed, but many oligarchs, commanders, political leaders are Azerbaijanis, and even more than farces.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 6 September 2013 22: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Druid
      due to greed and the inclusion of Derbent in Russia

      Do not find it hard to translate the word Derbent from Turkic?
    2. Berserk
      Berserk 7 September 2013 01: 53 New
      -1
      Well now, plus all this - and what percentage of the population will you receive? Maybe 146 percent?
  35. washi
    washi 6 September 2013 14: 29 New
    0
    Why fall apart if it's easier to attach. Our Turkey - our all other Turks. More precisely, those who consider themselves to be them.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 6 September 2013 15: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Vasya
      Why fall apart if it's easier to attach.


      Apart from the straits, we do not need anything there.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 6 September 2013 15: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Karlsonn
        Apart from the straits, we do not need anything there.


        Try to pick it up! As if they were ready to meet you there with your flags!
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 6 September 2013 16: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Try to pick it up!


          Do not worry, we always take our own. soldier

          Quote: ayyildiz
          It is as if they are ready to meet you with your flags!


          And what are not ready?

          hastily dialing the number of MO ...
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 6 September 2013 16: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Do not worry, we always take our


            laughing
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 6 September 2013 17: 33 New
              +2
              So what about readiness?

              Quote: ayyildiz
              It is as if they are ready to meet you with your flags!


              If they do not wait for us, then we will tear the straits to select! wassat
              Maybe I’ll squeeze something under my dacha. winked
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 6 September 2013 17: 46 New
                -1
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Maybe I’ll squeeze something under my dacha.

                I remembered a letter from a German woman to her husband about a summer house in Poltava! fellow
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 6 September 2013 19: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  I remembered a letter from a German woman to her husband about a summer house in Poltava!


                  I remembered about another letter - "The Danube will sooner flow backwards and the sky will fall to the ground than Ishmael surrenders," but the Turks, as always, raked it out in full. laughing
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 6 September 2013 21: 02 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    than Ishmael will surrender ",


                    ... and all the same, he did not get YOU, but an independent Ukraine .... smile
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 6 September 2013 22: 55 New
                      +2
                      Quote: smersh70
                      ... and all the same, he did not get YOU, but an independent Ukraine ....


                      what lies in the next room is also mine - to go longer, that's all.

                      In fact, that the Turks quickly got used to raking from the Russians - is there no objection? bully
                      1. smersh70
                        smersh70 6 September 2013 23: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        what’s in the next room


                        ..... this one is in the next room ..... this one is in the next apartment laughing .. and then say why Square is so quickly leaving for Europe .... bully

                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        Turks quickly got used to raking from Russians


                        account there 2-4 ... fellow I won’t tell about speed .... smile
                      2. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn 7 September 2013 11: 57 New
                        +1
                        Quote: smersh70
                        ..... this one is in the next room ..... this one is in the next apartment


                        For you - yes, for us - no.

                        Quote: smersh70
                        account there 2-4 ...


                        Bet? You will lose. laughing
                      3. smersh70
                        smersh70 7 September 2013 12: 11 New
                        +1
                        Bet? You will lose. laughing[/ Quote]

                        Right now the beginning of the 2 time is coming)))) we will wait a long time))))))
                      4. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn 7 September 2013 15: 15 New
                        +1
                        Quote: smersh70
                        Right now the beginning of the 2 time is coming)))) we will wait a long time))))))


                        8 score: 2, one draw!
                        The drain is counted.
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              2. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 7 September 2013 00: 02 New
                +1
                laughing Karlsonn, Do not forget the Prut campaign!

                what’s in the next room is also mine -

                Ask Ukrainians yours or not yours! wassat
              3. Berserk
                Berserk 7 September 2013 12: 00 New
                0
                Remind your victories AFTER the Prut campaign. I want to hear your version.
              4. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 7 September 2013 15: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: Berserker
                Remind your victories AFTER the Prut campaign.


                The Crimean War 1853 — 1856, nominally considered a war in which Russia lost to Turkey.

                Although upon closer inspection:
                - the defeat of the Turkish Anatolian army in the battles of Akhaltsikh and Bashkadiklar;
                - Sinop battle where the Turkish squadron of Osman Pasha was destroyed;
                - capture of Kars and Bayazet;
                They show very clearly the military prowess of the Turks.

                But with all this, as a result of the peace treaty signed by 13 on February 1856 at the Paris Congress, Russia lost a lot, and this is why this war is considered to be won by Turkey.
              5. Berserk
                Berserk 7 September 2013 23: 52 New
                +1
                the comment was not for you, but for the Turk. Thank you for the thorough analysis of the Russian-Turkish "communication" smile
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 7 September 2013 12: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: ayyildiz
            Karlsonn, Do not forget the Prut campaign!


            There were 12 wars, 8 of our victories and 2 of defeat, one draw.

            And I remind you of the battle at Rymnik, where the 100 000 Turks managed to lose the battle of 25 000 to Russians and Austrians.
            Learn mat.part.
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 September 2013 14: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Karlsonn
            There were 12 wars, 8 of our victories and 2 of defeat, one draw.

            AND ONE CANCELED FROM WEATHER CONDITIONS)))))
          4. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 7 September 2013 15: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            AND ONE CANCELED FROM WEATHER CONDITIONS)))))


            Not at all, this is a World War One draw, as a result of which both the Russian and Ottoman empires disappeared, so there was no winner for this - it is believed that a draw.
        2. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 7 September 2013 17: 59 New
          -1
          And I will remind you of the battle in Dobuj 15 on May 1854, the Russian army 80.000 and the Ottoman 10.000, managed to win against you! So everyone has something to be proud of!

          Maybe all the same we are not with history, but in the future we will look and improve economic ties!
        3. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 7 September 2013 22: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: ayyildiz
          And I will remind you of the battle in Dobuj 15 on May 1854, the Russian army 80.000 and the Ottoman 10.000, managed to win against you! So everyone has something to be proud of!


          Expand.

          Quote: ayyildiz
          Maybe all the same we are not with history, but in the future we will look and improve economic ties!


          As I have already written many times, I am for peace with Turkey and mutually beneficial cooperation. Personally, I - Russian and figs do not need to flare up in Turkey.
        4. Berserk
          Berserk 8 September 2013 00: 23 New
          +1
          Interesting! judging by the date and scope, this is Paskevich’s army. And she means she was defeated by the Turks? Is it possible in more detail? Let's say the place of the battle. Dobrudja is huge.
        5. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 8 September 2013 00: 59 New
          -1
          South Doburja Silistra Musa Pasha! Siege of Silistra from 15 May to 25 June hi
        6. Berserk
          Berserk 8 September 2013 01: 38 New
          0
          Oh how! It turns out Paskevich was completely defeated in this siege? Did you run? Or can you name the real reasons for the Russian retreat? Maybe there was an ultimatum to Austria, or am I confusing something? Directly in open battle, the 10 thousandth garrison defeated (!) 80 thousand Russians? Some myths and legends. This in the language of the military is called failure, not defeat. If they are defeated, they lose their banners and are taken prisoner. Do you have in the museum the banners of the Russian regiments from that campaign?
  • duke
    duke 6 September 2013 18: 19 New
    +2
    for idea 5 with a plus, hehe
  • biglow
    biglow 6 September 2013 19: 32 New
    +1
    [quote = Karlsonn] [quote = ayyildiz] Try to pick it up! [/ quote]

    Do not worry, we always take our own. soldier

    Chechens have a good saying - Russians leave, but always return laughing
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 6 September 2013 20: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: biglow
      Chechens have a good saying - Russians leave, but always return


      I wonder if the Turks have something similar? We have harbored these longer and more. bully
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 6 September 2013 20: 34 New
        -4
        Survive the Crimea! laughing
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 6 September 2013 22: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Survive the Crimea!


          Why on earth? This is our military base in the Crimea and the Caucasus soldier .
          So you need to worry at this time. wink
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 6 September 2013 23: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Karlsonn
            So you need to worry at this time



            but to us something .... smile Ngas has no way out to the Black Sea))))) and we are not opponents)))))))
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 7 September 2013 12: 09 New
              0
              Quote: smersh70
              and we are not opponents)))))))


              I know! drinks
          2. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 6 September 2013 23: 55 New
            +1
            So many fought for the Crimea, but it didn’t go to you, tomorrow Ukraine can kick you out crying ! hi

            And to us the fact that we have the strongest fleet at the World Cup! wink
            1. Berserk
              Berserk 7 September 2013 12: 01 New
              +2
              He did not get it. He was handed over. And he will return.
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 7 September 2013 12: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: ayyildiz
              So many fought for the Crimea, but it didn’t go to you, tomorrow Ukraine can kick you out


              Imagine and continue.

              Quote: ayyildiz
              And to us the fact that we have the strongest fleet at the World Cup!


              Are you a Turkish citizen? What is the meaning of super fleet in a puddle?
              1. Berserk
                Berserk 7 September 2013 12: 35 New
                +2
                Less for what? For coming back? laughing You at least dodge, and the Crimea-he is Russian. History will show.
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 September 2013 14: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Berserker
                You at least dodge, and the Crimea-he is Russian. History will show.

                Crimea is Turkish, but we will share)))))
              3. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 7 September 2013 15: 38 New
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Crimea is Turkish, but we will share)))))


                Come on, we’ll agree that the Romans, Greeks, and the Huns with Tauri will make claims.
                Crimea - Russian, period.
              4. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 7 September 2013 16: 35 New
                0
                But for now, Ukrainian is unlikely to change anything in the near future!
              5. Berserk
                Berserk 8 September 2013 00: 35 New
                +2
                Will change.
                And Crimea is Russian. Even if all NATO crawls in there and you drive your vaunted submarines directly onto the embankments negative , we will kick you out of there as many times as we can. You look - the earth will become more fertile.
              6. smersh70
                smersh70 8 September 2013 00: 46 New
                -2
                Quote: Berserker
                Crimea is Russian. Even if all of NATO crawls in there and you drive your submarines directly onto the embankments, we will kick you out of there as many times as you can.


                So say it, and then wonder why Russia has a low level of trust .... laughing
              7. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 8 September 2013 01: 21 New
                0
                Dear, how would you not like to admit that Crimea belongs to Ukraine, where did you see me writing about NATO?

                Quote: Berserker
                we will kick you out of there as many times

                Kick out Ukraine then. What else can I say!

                And where did I write that we will attack the Crimea?
              8. Berserk
                Berserk 8 September 2013 01: 28 New
                +2
                Was there something about Turkish Crimea? There is a joke in every joke - the rest is all true. They boasted of their fleet? Are you a member of NATO? Or do you think we are at least a minute mistaken against whom this block is?
                And about the confidence in Russia of your comrade, remember -We don’t want someone else’s land, but we won’t give our land to anyone. And your trust we do not need.
                Regarding Ukraine’s affiliation, we’ll talk in five years. Ukraine is us. The fact that it is called that is a misunderstanding. This is Russia. We will unite back, there is no doubt about it. And then we'll see who will laugh. Traitors divided our people. Well then, we ourselves are to blame. They were rustic. Fix it. And you do not get sick. Live - you will see our single country.
              9. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 8 September 2013 02: 23 New
                0
                You are brothers, and you must correct the relationship!
              10. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 8 September 2013 12: 43 New
                +1
                In our relations, we will sort it out ourselves, but you decide with the Kurds.
          3. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 8 September 2013 12: 41 New
            0
            Why bother? She herself will soon return to fraternal embrace.
  • Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 15: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: Berserker
    Less for what? For coming back? You at least dodge, and the Crimea-he is Russian. History will show.


    Yes sir! soldier
  • Arminian power
    Arminian power 10 October 2013 11: 01 New
    +1
    Azeri consider themselves ethnic Turks and therefore Caucasian Turks are called.
  • left-wing
    left-wing 6 September 2013 17: 45 New
    +2
    An interesting, quite logical version, the United States has long proved that the Allies mean little to them. Betrayal and lies are their thing.
  • 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 6 September 2013 18: 04 New
    0
    Reading article after article on the Syrian problem and all the ensuing consequences, you understand - and there will certainly be a big boom in the Middle East, just as you don’t calculate the situation, but don’t take everything into account. World history has repeatedly proved this !! soldier
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 6 September 2013 19: 03 New
      0
      There will be a boom. So what?
  • Andrey77
    Andrey77 6 September 2013 19: 02 New
    -1
    Everyone knows her, although she is not discussed at the UN - this is the establishment of American domination, or at least control over the whole world.
    -
    The author is not a political worker? Sovdepiya smell.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 6 September 2013 22: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey77
      The author is not a political worker? Sovdepiya smell.


      Of the nobles or what? Al whiteguard uninhabited?
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 7 September 2013 01: 33 New
        0
        White Guard. And you, if I’m not mistaken, young Leninist?
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 7 September 2013 12: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Andrey77
          And you, if I’m not mistaken, young Leninist?


          He was a young Leninist in childhood, now a communist.
          Have you been an October october, a pioneer, a Komsomol member?
  • borys
    borys 6 September 2013 21: 22 New
    +1
    Here smersh led the Russian proverb, but only the first half. There are also
    the second - and whoever forgets, both of them (meaning both eyes).
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 6 September 2013 22: 01 New
      0
      Quote: borys
      and whoever forgets, both of them (meaning both eyes).


      it’s so that with optimism to look into the future ... so as not to fight anymore ..... smile
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 6 September 2013 23: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        it’s so that with optimism to look into the future ... so as not to fight anymore .....


        An efficient thought! good drinks
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 6 September 2013 22: 12 New
    +5
    when will turkey fall? apparently not soon. over the years of the republic, the Turks overcame their main weakness, which did not allow them to hold on to a huge empire - small numbers. for 5 centuries, the Ottomans ruled over much more numerous conquered peoples and overstrained themselves. having suffered defeat in the First World War and having lost "non-Turkish" territories, the Turks were able to defend theirs, and then over the years of the world proliferate to an incredible (for the Turks) number - 60 million, so now the Turks and Turkey are unlikely to be threatened, neither Kurds nor Arabs Neither the Persians are rivals to them (it always was), the former European imperial nations are slowly dying out. the only strong player is the states - an ally that needs (for the time being and in the coming decades) Turkey for a presence in the region.
    but Erdogan will be there or the Kemalists in power will be shown by the elections, there will be no civil war, it has never been there, the maximum number of foreigners is genocide.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 6 September 2013 23: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      when will turkey fall? apparently not soon.


      For all my desire to grab the straits and the cottage for cucumbers, the collapse of Turkey is not for us - and so on the borders of problem regions enough, so personally I am for peace-friendship-gum in Turkey.


      Quote: Alexandr0id
      so now it’s unlikely that the Turks and Turkey are threatened, neither the Kurds, nor the Arabs, nor the Persians are rivals (as always has been), the former European imperial nations are slowly dying out.


      You have a pure idyll; in reality, it’s different:
      - For 30 years the Turkish regular army is chasing after the Kurds, the result is --- ZERO;
      - if the Saudis and Qatari have problems with Turkey, the latter does not say hello;
      - Iran does not sew together and Turkey has to reckon with it;
      - The dying European nations liked nishtyaks in Libya and Mali, and where are these countries now?

      Quote: Alexandr0id
      the only strong player, the states, is an ally that needs (so far in the coming decades) Turkey to be present in the region.


      Firstly, you don’t need enemies with such an ally (Saddam confirms from the other world), and secondly, you never can guess the need of the USA as the mood of a market-maker in an army train.

      Quote: Alexandr0id
      but Erdogan will be there or the Kemalists in power will be shown by the elections, there will be no civil war, it has never been there, the maximum number of foreigners is genocide.


      Yeah, for the rebellions, coups, murders of the rulers it was so much that it is difficult to mention.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 6 September 2013 23: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        so personally I am for peace-friendship-chewing gum in Turkey.


        finally changed your mind good
        Quote: Karlsonn
        30 years, the Turkish regular army chasing the Kurds, the result is --- ZERO;

        the Kurds have already left .. almost 3 a month ago .... transferred the struggle to political footing ...
        Quote: Karlsonn
        for rebellions, coups, murders of rulers

        ..Well, the East is a delicate matter .. how can it be without blood ..... fellow
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 7 September 2013 12: 19 New
          0
          Quote: smersh70
          finally changed your mind


          Where did I speak out for the war with Turkey? I have always been for peace with her.

          Quote: smersh70
          the Kurds have already left .. almost 3 a month ago .... transferred the struggle to political footing ...


          Well, civil war is always a disaster.

          Quote: smersh70
          Well, the East is a delicate matter .. how can it be without blood .....


          sad
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 7 September 2013 00: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Karlsonn
        30 years the Turkish regular army is chasing the Kurds, the result is --- ZERO


        Not really, I myself participated in operations there and I know more than you!
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 7 September 2013 12: 22 New
          0
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Not really, I myself participated in operations there and I know more than you!


          So figured out - you are a Turkish citizen.
          Why are you embarrassed about your homeland? Why is the flag not Turkish?
          You probably have a better understanding of the situation there, but I think you will agree for so many years not to find either political or military ways to get out of the conflict, this very characterizes both the army and the Turkish government.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 September 2013 14: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Why are you embarrassed about your homeland? Why is the flag not Turkish?

            so he lives in Russia !!
            And they will tear for the Turkish flag!
            For me, the Turkish flag is as native as the Azerbaijani one!
            that's even Erdogan whom I’m not very, and he saw on the floor a photo of the flag of Turkey, was not too lazy, bent down and picked up and did the same in Moscow yesterday!

            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 7 September 2013 14: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Karlsonn
              So figured out - you are a Turkish citizen.



              turk bayraki burakmaz! (Turk flag will not leave anyone!)
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 7 September 2013 14: 54 New
              +1
              And here he raises the image of the flag, and all the others do not care that the image of their flags on the floor !!
            3. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 7 September 2013 15: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              so he lives in Russia !!


              And I live in Ukraine, but I have the flag of my homeland.

              Quote: Yarbay
              And they will tear for the Turkish flag!


              Who! No one is tearing the comrade, why is he afraid and shy?

              Quote: Yarbay
              that's even Erdogan whom I’m not very, and he saw on the floor a photo of the flag of Turkey, was not too lazy, bent down and picked up and did the same in Moscow yesterday!


              Well done! He acted as a real patriot and man.
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 7 September 2013 16: 55 New
                0
                Unlike you, I don’t have the current luxury to choose a flag on the site!

                Maybe you will not believe it, but in almost every house or apartment we have a Turkish flag in Turkey
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 7 September 2013 22: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  Unlike you, I don’t have the current luxury to choose a flag on the site!


                  Sincerely sorry.

                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  Maybe you will not believe it, but in almost every house or apartment we have a Turkish flag in Turkey


                  But why? I believe. I and my brothers also have flags and symbols of the USSR at home.
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 September 2013 22: 17 New
                0
                Quote: Karlsonn
                And I live in Ukraine, but I have the flag of my homeland.

                Yes, and I have the flag of my homeland!
                propose a choice to him and he will also take the flag of his homeland!
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Well done! He acted as a real patriot and man.

                They have been brought up like this since childhood!
                For which I respect them very much!
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 7 September 2013 22: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Yes, and I have the flag of my homeland!
                  propose a choice to him and he will also take the flag of his homeland!


                  This is his business, like all the patriots of Turkey, we were able to agree with the site administration on the option of the flag of the USSR, which prevents the Turks and the rest?

                  Quote: Yarbay
                  They have been brought up like this since childhood!
                  For which I respect them very much!


                  So they bring up in all normal families, in all normal countries of the world.
          2. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 7 September 2013 17: 08 New
            +3
            Why then I’ve never been shy from my Turkish origin and being a Turk! I have always been proud and proud of my country!
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 7 September 2013 22: 46 New
              0
              Quote: ayyildiz
              Why then I’ve never been shy from my Turkish origin and being a Turk! I have always been proud and proud of my country!


              I sincerely apologize, I did not want to offend you or offend your feelings. Sorry, using the comrade Yarbay I already figured it out. hi
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 7 September 2013 22: 52 New
                0
                Thank you! hi drinks
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 7 September 2013 23: 35 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  Thank you!


                  I am really sorry that I involuntarily insulted you, accepting the inability to symbolize the flag of my homeland - due to technical reasons for something else. The cost of communication on the network, which in fact does not justify me. hi
                  As an apology - raised the rating.
            2. Sandov
              Sandov 10 September 2013 17: 51 New
              0
              Quote: ayyildiz
              Why then I’ve never been shy from my Turkish origin and being a Turk! I have always been proud and proud of my country!


              Each patriot of his homeland is proud of his country.
      3. Alexandr0id
        Alexandr0id 7 September 2013 00: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Karlsonn
        30 years the Turkish regular army is chasing the Kurds, the result is --- ZERO

        in fact, now there is a withdrawal of rpk formations in adjacent territories, so the result is likely to be zero for rpk.
        The Saudis and Qatari people have a common business with Turkey in the coming years - a pipe to Europe, so that they will tolerate each other for now, and what can harm sa, and even more so Qatar, Turkey?
        Turkey has quite pragmatic relations with Iran - a conflict is hardly possible.

        Quote: Karlsonn
        endangered European nations liked nishtyaki in Libya and Mali and where now these countries

        Of course, it would be difficult for Turkey to stand against a whole coalition, but such a new holy league does not seem to be observed, and individually, neither France, nor Italy, nor the WB and Turkey will take a bite.

        there were enough revolts, coups, etc. in the history of all countries, only Turkey is the rare case when a country existed for hundreds of years without a civil (inter-Turkish) war and all kinds of peasant uprisings, it is still an indicator of intra-national stability.

        in fact, the general meaning of my previous post is that the Turks, having served a century away from world shocks, have restored themselves as a stable nation. in this state, even with a very strong desire it will be difficult to jam
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 7 September 2013 12: 26 New
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          Quote: Alexandr0id
          in fact, now there is a withdrawal of rpk formations in adjacent territories, so the result is likely to be zero for rpk.


          The fact that the PKK already exists is the result.

          Quote: Alexandr0id
          Of course, it would be difficult for Turkey to stand against a whole coalition,


          There is enough of the United States.

          Quote: Alexandr0id
          from only Turkey is that rare case when a country existed for hundreds of years without a civil (inter-Turkish) war and all peasant uprisings there


          There was only enough Janissaries for fun.
  • Cpa
    Cpa 6 September 2013 23: 18 New
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    Guys, read Brzezinski’s carefully! Turkey will be given the right to rule Central Asia and the Middle East under a new order after the USSR. Under these guarantees, Turkey will become the most loyal ally of the one who will provide it. All the problems described in the article are nothing but levers of pressure on the leadership Turkey; they say, do not forget about the projection of precisely the US forces on the regions you control. fool , we took into account the experience of the revolution in Russia and Germany, and decided that there are no unnecessary leverage, we are reinsured!
    Hence the desire to support the United States in everything, after all, they promise to "make old dreams come true." For the same reason, Turkey does not support Saud in Egypt. Most likely, Saudi Arabia was offered the same "legacy of the conquests of democracy." And who will "better behave" "he will inherit and enter.
    A similar situation existed before the Second World War between the USSR and Germany, the West decided who is stronger, that we will support. But apparently, they wanted the Germans to be stronger, so they were allowed so much in the 1939.
    Perhaps even now they want Turkey to be stronger, therefore such support is now being provided to them.
    If we continue the analogy, we can see: Germany and Russia had a common ideology - socialism, Turkey and Saudi Arabia - Islamism. What will happen next- request ? But we remember that the whole Western coalition fell upon the winner and has been crushing for almost a century!
    My opinion is that the author can be right only when the destroyed Middle East falls at the feet of Turkey, and she does not want to observe the interests of the United States in the region. In general, a distant and foggy prospect ..
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 7 September 2013 01: 31 New
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      Guys, read Bzezhinsky carefully!
      --
      Do you have your own opinion? Besides the distant and foggy perspective?
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 7 September 2013 02: 41 New
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        I have my own opinion on everything. What have you read, and there is mine, the author's. At least you saw one quote in the comment? And did you read Bzezhinsky’s concepts? There’s only general politics. You can tell you the enemy’s plans, and you ask about my opinion. fool
        In short, I claim rights to my speculation, is that clear ?,
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 7 September 2013 23: 36 New
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        Quote: Andrey77
        Do you have your own opinion? Besides the distant and foggy perspective?


        Do the White Guards have their own opinion? Amazing belay
        It remains a mystery - how did the little survivors survive in the red MORDOR?
  • Cpa
    Cpa 7 September 2013 03: 16 New
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    Quote: Andrey77
    Guys, read Bzezhinsky carefully! - Do you have your own opinion? Besides the distant and foggy perspective?

    If only the first and last sentence fits in your cat’s head, then you’ve made a mistake on the site, troll. Now I’ll read your comments, it’s interesting that your brain gives birth to grandiose things.
  • beifall
    beifall 7 September 2013 05: 06 New
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    Judging by the number of our tourists from Kemer to Bodrum, especially Natasha and others are clearly not coming soon!
  • voliador
    voliador 7 September 2013 19: 18 New
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    I don’t think that something will burn out among the Kurds in Iran. But if they will suck the Turks in their territory, then it will be good. Something the Turks have emboldened lately. They’re accessing the Azerbaijanis (although they themselves give them a hike, a point, already greased), now they have soaped themselves in Syria. I hope that Assad will give Turks their teeth if they climb into Syria.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 7 September 2013 20: 04 New
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      Quote: voliador
      I don’t think that something will burn out among the Kurds in Iran.

      You think so, but they also do operations against PJAK!
    2. Berserk
      Berserk 8 September 2013 00: 48 New
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      I agree +5)))
  • klim44
    klim44 8 September 2013 12: 30 New
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    "And what is Iran? It is a fortress, moreover, prepared for defense, well armed and, most importantly, strong in spirit, and the United States does not like to take fortresses. The strategy of" controlled chaos "is precisely designed to solve such problems at the expense of ... chaos. near the fortress and drive up to it, as in the old days siege towers were driven up to the fortress walls. "

    Such woeful observers also wrote about Iraq - the bastion fortress and what ??? It seems that the author forgot the immortal words of Philip of Macedos about the fortresses that surrender to a donkey loaded with gold. And yet, my personal opinion, to have a state with an atomic bomb on the borders of the Russian Federation is pure madness. So, after all, the Caspian will not be lost for long. And with the hands of the United States there is a chance to stay in the Caucasus and the Caspian.
  • igorelo
    igorelo 9 September 2013 22: 42 New
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    Quote: kotvov
    I don’t think that you are right, the Turks are next in line for the Arab spring. Just follow the direction of movement of these springs, the main direction Russia. I’ll think time will tell.

    Rather, it will be Iran.