“We are the only country after the USA developing the fifth generation in aviation”

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The other day the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2013 ended in Zhukovsky. It is one of the most famous air shows in the world. One of the testimonies of the high status of MAKS is that it is under the patronage of the president of our country.

The famous Russian TV journalist Mikhail Leontyev was a guest of this prestigious aviation forum, designed to demonstrate the achievements of the domestic industry in the field of aviation and space technology, and we asked him to share his views on the event that ended.

About the "MAX" only lazy did not say disgusting

I managed to fly the Yak-130 (combat training aircraft. - Approx. KM.RU). This is absolutely amazing machine in terms of building the entire line of pilot training from initial to combat use. This is a very plastic aircraft!

Only lazy people didn’t say anything disgusting about MAKS, and there were many reasons for them: the president didn’t come, although he had come all the time, and now he sent the prime minister; and the rain began to fall, and there were practically no serious new products. Yes, two prototypes of the T-50 flew, but everyone got used to it and this does not surprise anyone. This is not a finished aircraft, but an advanced prototype. We do it ourselves, this is a promising machine for our Air Force for the next generation. After the United States, we are the only country that is developing the fifth generation in aviation. From this we can conclude that in the near future, no more than two great aviation powers will remain in the world.

We have practically no problems with military aircraft. Yes, there are moments of a technical nature, but they are surmountable. And there is a problem in the “citizen”, but the first prototype of the MS-21 main-line aircraft is already being made. This is the most massive category of aircraft, the replacement of the Tu-154 and analogue A-320.

They say that everything is bad, that there are few foreigners, and the organizers were not ready for the rain. Although how can one prepare for it when the people are thrown from the site by the thousands and no amount of buses can take people out? .. But, nevertheless, the exhibition is very revealing and symptomatic.

Ten years ago, five years ago, they could not even dream of it.

At this exhibition, mass-produced aircraft purchased by domestic aviation actively flew and demonstrated. This is not only the Yak-130, but also the Su-30CM, which comes in quantities that are almost marginal for the capabilities of the Russian aircraft industry. We also have exports, which are declining, but, nevertheless, it is very significant. The fact that no one notices, the fact that behind grumbling it remained unchallenged is the most pleasant and the best. If it is, then everything else will be.

With all the problems and contradictions, despite the fact that it is very hard to resuscitate the civil aviation industry, despite the huge obstacles and costs, all this is alive! The main meaning of “MAKS” is a demonstration of the fact that now our aviation is much more alive than on the past “MAKS”, and it is on the order of life more alive than on the first “MAKS”. Then he looked like a breakthrough, an unprecedented aviation holiday. It was a feast during the plague, and now it is everyday life in a more or less improving life. When else could we quietly demonstrate production aircraft purchased by our own army ?!

Ten years ago, five years ago, they could not even dream about it, but now they fly, arrive in units of squadrons, master them. Production is increasing every year. I will give examples. The shown Su-30CM is a heavy fighter of the “four plus” generation, which will be the main one before the fifth generation appears. The Yak-130 is a combat training aircraft, the upgraded IL-76 is almost a new machine.
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  1. Quiet
    -16
    5 September 2013 07: 31
    “We are the only country after the USA developing the fifth generation in aviation”

    That's right! The rest choose what is better and buy. More profitable to buy than to develop !!!!
    1. +16
      5 September 2013 07: 33
      Quote: Quiet
      Cheaper to buy than to develop !!!!

      Well, this is how to say if you recall the f-35!
      1. -1
        5 September 2013 14: 33
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Quote: Quiet
        Cheaper to buy than to develop !!!!

        Well, this is how to say if you recall the f-35!


        10 years later he will be brought to a flying model laughing
    2. Horde
      +13
      5 September 2013 07: 40
      Quote: Quiet
      That's right! The rest choose what is better and buy. More profitable to buy than to develop !!!!

      Well, why is it more profitable to develop, then create, then sell ...
    3. +6
      5 September 2013 07: 51
      The Chinese have already 2 versions of flying prototypes ..
    4. 0
      5 September 2013 08: 07
      Why so? The 5th generation aircraft are already undergoing tests with the Chinese. Also, the Indians are going to start work.
      1. eplewke
        +21
        5 September 2013 08: 50
        Hindus buy from us T-50, namely FGFA marked. They have already invested money in our project. China has no engines! The fuselage can be cooked homegrown, and dviglo - a science-intensive thing. they don’t have such, and they won’t think of the next 10 years, that's why they are waiting for our SU-35 for purchase, to dismantle the rod to the screw. So the thesis is correct. The 5th generation is still in force only 2-mind powers.
        1. +6
          5 September 2013 14: 32
          Quote: eplewke
          So the thesis is correct. The 5th generation is still in force only 2-mind powers.

          And this, however, is correct! Therefore, we are building ourselves ... for no one will sell us the aircraft of tomorrow ... except perhaps a crude and not "cooked" American "flying ax" ... like the F-35!
          Let it turn out later, but not too late! And nobody needs to bow to the legs ...
          1. +1
            5 September 2013 16: 42
            Therefore, we are building ourselves ... for no one will sell us aircraft novelties of tomorrow ... except perhaps a crude and not "cooked" American "flying ax" ... like the F-35!

            The Americans will not sell us the F-35! And if they sell, then in a worse form, such that they fall every day. And at wild prices. The United States will not offer us anything good, although they themselves bought the Yak-141 technology for $ 500.
      2. +7
        5 September 2013 09: 44
        I think that the Chinese have it only on the fifth generation paper. Engines, then they will definitely not have the corresponding ones for a long time.
        1. 0
          5 September 2013 14: 40
          Quote: fzr1000
          I think that the Chinese have it only on the fifth generation paper. Engines, then they will definitely not have the corresponding ones for a long time.


          They need to sell the idea — to do the opposite, in pure Chinese — design the aircraft for the engine, design it so that it fits the requirements of the 5th generation laughing
      3. +4
        5 September 2013 10: 48
        The Chinese 5 generation aircraft is already being tested.
        A flying black plane does not mean the 5 generation at all. Theirs J-20 and J-21 are rather our C-37 / Su-47 "Golden Eagle", a technology demonstrator, or rather an experimental copy. They are up to the fifth generation, as we walk to them.
    5. +5
      5 September 2013 09: 06
      “We are the only country after the USA developing the fifth generation in aviation”

      What do you mean - "after the USA?" Such a wording is at least not patriotic ...
      1. +12
        5 September 2013 09: 16
        because the USA has already developed, built and managed to curtail production of the F-22, we are here in the role of catching up, a phrase that fully reflects reality.
        1. +2
          5 September 2013 10: 08
          it’s not so bad, such a situation was already when the Su-27 was created as an answer to the F-15 and in the design they already laid the superiority over the American by 10-15%
        2. 0
          5 September 2013 17: 05
          because the USA has already developed, built and managed to curtail production of the F-22, we are here in the role of catching up, the phrase is quite a reflection of reality

          In the USSR, simultaneously with the USA, the 5th generation MiG MFI was developed. If not for Gorbachev and Yeltsin, MFI would have entered the troops at least simultaneously with the Raptor. And then in the 1990s, many designers left the Mikoyan Design Bureau, and the project collapsed in 2000 after two flights. Although in the 1990s they wrote that the new MiG would soon be released and would break everyone.
          The United States was also in the role of catch-up - when the MiG-15s shot down the F-86 Sabers in Korea, the MiG-21 Phantoms in Vietnam, after the appearance of the Su-1980 and MiG-27 in the 29s. The Su-35 is superior to the F-22 and F-35, so the Americans are lagging behind Russia today. And the MFI was superior to the F-22, if RSK MiG does not lie. If it had not been for the collapse of the Union, then today there would have been many good planes flying.
          1. Alex 241
            +2
            5 September 2013 17: 15
            In early 1994, the IFI was delivered to Zhukovsky. In December of the same year, the IFI, managed by test pilot Roman Taskaev, made high-speed taxiing along the runway of the flight research center in Zhukovsky with the front landing gear being torn apart. However, due to the lack of financial resources, further work on project 1.42 was frozen. Even numerous appeals to various authorities did not help. The MFI is a heavy single-seat fighter designed according to the “duck” aerodynamic design with a fully rotated front horizontal tail (PGO), a mid-positioned triangular wing and a V-shaped tail. In our country, such an aerodynamic scheme when designing jet engines was implemented for the first time.
          2. +3
            5 September 2013 21: 29
            in fact, how many fifth-generation fighters are in our ranks and how many Americans do ??? We need to catch up in the amount of approximately 200 pcs, what is still not clear? how wonderful the MiG1.42 project would not be, and no matter how magnificent the PAK FA would be, they still need to be built in the right amount and brought to combat readiness, and talking about the superiority of development is all empty.
      2. +1
        5 September 2013 09: 20
        I’ve thought, selling the Su-35, ours, after all, the Chinese can quite make a feint, for example, without losing power, apply some simpler mechanism, copying which you will not push further during the development, you can also determine the alloys, the metal composition, of course, with the technology it’s much more complicated, but alloys for the Chinese, too, are for sure also made from completely different combinations of metals, in order to put on the wrong track, so to speak ...
      3. 0
        5 September 2013 14: 43
        Quote: Stiletto
        “We are the only country after the USA developing the fifth generation in aviation”

        What do you mean - "after the USA?" Such a wording is at least not patriotic ...


        Banal modesty. The man who said so just brought up - do not show off.
    6. +2
      5 September 2013 14: 33
      Quote: Quiet
      “We are the only country after the USA developing the fifth generation in aviation”

      That's right! The rest choose what is better and buy. More profitable to buy than to develop !!!!


      At one point, come to the store to buy a plane and they tell you that Papus will not sell high-precision weapons, simply because Papuan. In general, I agree correctly - let them buy ...

      Again, countries that do not create their fifth generation aircraft are guaranteed not to create the next and subsequent aircraft. It’s only for us.
      1. 0
        5 September 2013 19: 57
        actually something like that
        "We are the only country besides the USA
    7. luka095
      0
      5 September 2013 21: 36
      Quote: Quiet
      The rest choose what is better and buy. More profitable to buy than to develop !!!!

      If they sell! The buyer is always behind the manufacturer!
  2. +2
    5 September 2013 07: 42
    What about a 5th generation Chinese airplane? it can also be said that Indians will, on our T-50 platform, essentially sculpt their 5th generation aircraft. IMHO. But I think ours will not think of selling Indians the next generation engines under license that are being developed for the T-50.
    1. Trofimov174
      +2
      5 September 2013 10: 28
      The Chinese generally have a strange story with their aircraft, they seem to have one and at the same time they don’t exist, they say that they are more likely technology demonstrators or early prototypes, rather than ready-made aircraft for testing.
      India is generally overboard in this regard, they are not developing their own aircraft, they intend to fly on an export two-seat modification of the T-50 with the replacement of some local production equipment for the sake of cheapening.
  3. ed65b
    +7
    5 September 2013 08: 21
    I agree with the author, only us and the United States, China cannot do the 5th generation, it does not have engine technology. Glider dazzle is not the 5th generation.
    1. +2
      5 September 2013 08: 24
      Quote: ed65b
      Glider dazzle is not the 5 generation.


      - in agreement!
      1. +4
        5 September 2013 09: 14
        Yes, and somehow avionics and weapons should be tightened. And then the Chinese are ironic about the Russian radar with AFAR Zhuk, with Chinese microcircuits.
        1. +5
          5 September 2013 09: 59
          As the Americans themselves admitted, they also have problems due to the use of Chinese electronic components. And we have our own microprocessors. And the missiles are in no way inferior to the American ones, but some are superior in range.
      2. +3
        5 September 2013 09: 18
        To begin with, at the beginning of the 90x, the first take-off fighter of the 5 generation was considered Swedish Grippen. Rafali and Eurofaiters were also enrolled there, but now it turned out that they were all out of work.
  4. 0
    5 September 2013 09: 00
    Quote: LaGlobal
    “We are the only country after the USA developing the fifth generation in aviation”

    The Chinese actually say that they have already made the 5th generation and are testing it. The Turks promised to make a 5th generation fighter on their own and at the same time beat themselves on the head with a scimitar (in such cases it is usually customary for us to knock our hairdo on the floor or with the heel on the chest). The Iranians also said they would do it themselves. They have already made invisible. True, there is some kind of "dove of peace" turned out. But the desire to do it was indicated. And there was also information that the Japanese were going to develop their own 5th generation aircraft, and they had almost begun. True, they have no time for aviation now ...
    1. ed65b
      +2
      5 September 2013 10: 06
      Quote: retired
      Quote: LaGlobal
      “We are the only country after the USA developing the fifth generation in aviation”

      The Chinese actually say that they have already made the 5th generation and are testing it. The Turks promised to make a 5th generation fighter on their own and at the same time beat themselves on the head with a scimitar (in such cases it is usually customary for us to knock our hairdo on the floor or with the heel on the chest). The Iranians also said they would do it themselves. They have already made invisible. True, there is some kind of "dove of peace" turned out. But the desire to do it was indicated. And there was also information that the Japanese were going to develop their own 5th generation aircraft, and they had almost begun. True, they have no time for aviation now ...

      As they say now, a trend. The word fashionable and mysterious 5th generation. VAC.
    2. +1
      5 September 2013 12: 06
      Quote: retired
      And there was information that the Japanese were going to develop their own 5th generation aircraft, and almost started.

      They want it for sure ...
      The Japanese Ministry of Defense has requested funding from the government in the amount of 5,5 billion yen ($ 55,1 million), which is planned to be used to assemble and test the first flight model of the promising fifth-generation fighter ATD-X Shinshin.
      According to Jane's, the plane's first flight is scheduled for fiscal 2014, which will begin in Japan on April 1 next year.
    3. 0
      5 September 2013 14: 39
      Quote: retired
      the Japanese are going to develop their own 5th generation aircraft

      ... and allocated for this "well, just very" big money - 4,5 billion yen for the creation of a prototype, which means about 45,0-45,5 million dollars ... just to build a prototype of the aircraft of the 5th generations ... made of paper ...
  5. +2
    5 September 2013 09: 08
    You can say a lot, but the facts remain facts, we are really building a 5th generation fighter, and the Chinese do not yet understand that they will work in this direction for another 15-20 years to achieve the goal.
  6. Vtel
    +2
    5 September 2013 09: 29
    Despite all the sticks in the chassis - we flew - we fly and we will fly and shoot down. Our plywood is cooler, which I have also proved - U2. If the 5th column had not interfered yet, Chubais take them.
  7. Alexander borey
    +12
    5 September 2013 09: 47
    "Only the lazy didn't say nasty things about" MAX ".
    I didn’t say disgusting things about MAX. laughing
    Without exaggeration, Russian combat aircraft is the best in the world, and if we are now in such high positions, even greater successes and achievements await us in the future. Not every state can create a combat aircraft from scratch, which also has no analogues in many respects There are only a few such countries and they can be counted on fingers. Even the amers did their F-35 in cooperation with many countries. In short, there should be Russian aviation! And be the best! soldier
  8. +3
    5 September 2013 09: 50
    And why are we after America? Well, they started the first to produce the 5th generation, but as far as I know they are a bit expensive and in quality there are problems, and our fifty dollars at the completion stage can get around it very much, and the 4+ generation is not inferior to the raptors!
  9. ed65b
    +1
    5 September 2013 10: 04
    Quote: retired
    True, they are now not up to aviation ...

    This is true they have there Fukushima burns for the 10th generation.
  10. +3
    5 September 2013 10: 19
    We have practically no problems with military aircraft

    Here you go. Wait, finally. Another aviation specialist appeared - Mikhail Leontyev, a television journalist. "Yes, two T-50 prototypes flew." For some reason I counted three. Or was it a hallucination?
    1. Old skeptic
      +1
      5 September 2013 10: 46
      He did not notice the third.
      1. 0
        5 September 2013 12: 37
        "The main element of the flight program was the group flights of the fifth generation T-50 fighters. This aircraft can hardly be called a novelty, but at the same time it was previously demonstrated in a single copy and without the performance of aerobatic numbers. This time, the passage of the T-troika" 50, after which Sergei Bogdan, test pilot, Hero of the Russian Federation, demonstrated aerobatics program. " (lenty.ru)
    2. -2
      5 September 2013 16: 54
      divorced these unfortunate specialists, oh divorced. and most importantly, what a smart look they say.
  11. Captain
    +2
    5 September 2013 15: 17
    Quote: fzr1000
    Engines, then they will definitely not have corresponding ones for a long time.

    Sure?
    Could we have assumed five years ago that China could even create something like the J-20? Or try your own kinetic-intercepted anti-satellite missile?

    Do not forget that soon the PRC is likely to receive the Su-35, and the Chinese do not have to borrow copying skills.
    But I’ll tell you more ... It’s not the first year that China has been developing its own engine with a thrust vector. Moreover, the J-20 has already appeared with new engines.
    1. avg
      0
      5 September 2013 16: 29
      Development and copying Pts. Different things. A lot depends on the materials used, and with that they are a little taut. No wonder they buy our engines in hundreds.
  12. Druid
    0
    5 September 2013 17: 59
    Minus article.

    The 5th generation is also being developed by Japan (ATD-X), and their project is quite interesting, of course I'm not special, but according to voiced in various publications, I like it more than the Russian T-50 and F-22 / -35 according to many criteria . In addition, firstly, there is no longer borrowing US technology, it is supposed to be more independent, and secondly, it is initially supposed to work on it for the future 6th generation Japanese fighter.
    1. Alex 241
      +1
      5 September 2013 18: 08
      The Ministry of Defense of Japan sent a request to the country's government for the allocation of financing in the amount of 5,5 billion yen ($ 55,1 million) for the production and testing of the ATD-X Shinshin flight model.

      The promising fifth-generation fighter ATD-X Shinshin is preparing to take off in 2014. The funds requested by the Japanese military are planned to be used to test the engines of the prototype fighter aircraft, including their operation at high altitudes, strength tests of the ATF-X design and the first flight itself.

      In 2014, tests will be conducted by the Japanese company Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, which is engaged in the development of the aircraft. In fiscal year 2015, it is planned to transfer the prototype of the fighter for inspections to the Japanese Self-Defense Forces and the Department of Defense Research and Development. It was previously reported that the end of the development of the aircraft is scheduled for 2017.
    2. Arabist
      0
      5 September 2013 18: 12
      In addition to Japan, there are also India and South Korea.
  13. -9
    5 September 2013 18: 51
    I recognize Leontief, a Putin pug. The owner does not have time to open his mouth, as this one already on its hind legs already barks with spray of bile saliva.
    1. +5
      5 September 2013 21: 36
      But how can we then think about all of Israel with Nithanyahu ??? Obama didn’t have time to think yet, and Jews are already raising a bark of dogs in a right direction, like a flock of husky dogs, they know where the real owners live
  14. akreworpa
    0
    5 September 2013 20: 33
    And why Leontyev is a sweetie, in my opinion a very normal man. after all, he had disputes with Putin over shale technologies. just Vitold is another troll.
  15. 0
    5 September 2013 22: 42
    QUOTE: “We are the only country after the United States developing the fifth generation in aviation”

    I would like to correct Leontyev! RF, YES developing - it's CLASS !! good

    But the states are not only developing the F-35, but have already BUILT and OPERATING about 180 F-22 SERIES, by the way, the series has been launched since 2001 and the last was BUILT in 2011 !!! hi

    So there’s nothing to brag about here ... crying
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      0
      5 September 2013 22: 46
      I also want to fix it, the fifth generation plane is not only being developed by RUSSIA and the USA, there are also China comrades.
    2. 0
      5 September 2013 22: 58
      Quote: sergey158-29
      BUILT AND OPERATING ABOUT 180 SERIES F-22

      This crap, which is called the fifth generation exclusively for the authority of the state of the manufacturer?