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Empire in decline

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Empire in decline In the rise and fall of empires, regardless of which epoch they belong to, there are similar laws. One such pattern is the one that occurs once, and then the increasing disparity of imperial thinking with the changes taking place in the world. In this case, the lack of flexibility of consciousness does not at all indicate a weakening of the analytical abilities of the imperial elite, but its persistent unwillingness to admit that the design it has built must be radically revised.


Thus, Ancient Rome in its wars with the Goths gradually lost the advantage it once had until the Eternal City was once taken and plundered by barbarian tribes. After that, the collapse of the Roman Empire became unstoppable. The Romans failed to understand that the time of punitive expeditions was over and one had to learn to live in a new way with other nations.

The Roman Empire was crippled by false belief in the invincibility of its military legions. And do not the events of that era resemble something the actions of the Anglo-Saxon empire today? After all, the Anglo-Saxons surprisingly tenacious belief that they can “drive humanity into happiness with an iron hand” seems indestructible.

Over the past 12 years, the United States conceptually lost three wars - the Afghan, the Iraqi and the Libyan. In none of these countries as a result of the action of the “iron hand” the democratic order and the people's happiness did not appear and could not appear. It would seem that this should have prompted a revision of the basic principles for the formulation of US foreign policy. First of all, to the abandonment of the rocket-bomb "democratic missionary".

However, the pattern that had been in effect in ancient Rome still works today. The American elite does not want to see changes in the world.

Hearing in the US Congress about the proposal of Barack Obama to strike at Syria could not be held, since it is clear that Congress is not in a position to prohibit the president from this demonstration of military force. Apparently, more than one cruel lesson will have to be gained by American society in order for its political elite to break free from the complex of imperial superiority. Today, Obama is at the mercy of this complex, declaring that the US is ready to attack Syria without the approval of the UN Security Council. Washington has not demonstrated such contempt for the world organization for a long time ... The attack on Syria, if it takes place, will affect the entire system of modern international relations: this warning, issued on September 3 from Moscow, is not an empty phrase.

At the same time, it should be recognized that the crisis into which external forces plunged Syria cannot be overcome peacefully. Russia's calls to the Geneva-2 conference can really only serve one thing - to demonstrate that the terrorist international gathered in the Syrian Arab Republic is in principle not capable of any dialogue and that force should be used against it.

How far is the US administration from such an understanding? Infinitely far away!

In a blind and indefatigable desire to overthrow the existing political regime in Syria, Washington did not disdain to cooperate with cannibals devouring internal human organs. The more time passes after the events of 21 August, the more obvious that an attack using a chemical weapons in one of the suburbs of Damascus produced a hired rabble recruited in different countries, hated by the Syrian people. In an effort to protect these terrorists from total annihilation, the United States openly acted as an enemy of the people of Syria.

What will the planned strike of American “tomahawks” bring to Syria? The defeat of the gained combat experience of the Syrian army? Capture of Damascus "warriors of jihad"? Establishment of democracy in Syria? Not! Neither the first, nor the second, nor the third will not be! Everything will be different.

There will be a further rallying of the people of Syria around the government. A new wave of hatred for the United States in the Muslim world will rise. Gangs of foreign mercenaries, as crows flew to Syria, one way or another, but will be destroyed. In countries that have not yet been subjected to “coercion to democracy” with the help of bombs and rockets, but which tomorrow may become a victim of aggression, the will to resist will strengthen.

And all this will bring the end of the empire closer.
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  1. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 4 September 2013 07: 27
    +8

    In a blind and indefatigable desire to overthrow the existing political regime in Syria, Washington did not disdain to enter into cooperation with cannibals devouring internal human organs.

    No wonder. Cannibal did not disdain the cannibal.
    If the cannibal began to use a knife and a fork - is that progress?

    1. Tersky
      Tersky 4 September 2013 07: 37
      +7
      The author took Rome as an example of the fall of empires, but in vain. As you know, it lasted the longest and went through several eras, in fact, lasted from 27 BC until 1453 A.D. - a total of 1480 years. The USA cannot be a similar centenarian, with all of today's negative ambitions for the rest of the world.
      1. hommer
        hommer 4 September 2013 08: 17
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        Can't the US be like a centenarian


        And thank God. And then all of humanity is pulled into the abyss.
  2. Renat
    Renat 4 September 2013 07: 29
    +8
    The modern USA, of course, is somewhat similar to the Roman Empire, at least in terms of manners. Probably the fate of any empire is ultimately its collapse. With the help of external and internal (treacherous) forces. But ... In the modern world there is a weapon capable of destroying life itself on the planet. That’s the worst thing. That is the difference between the empires of the modern and ancient worlds.
    1. Veles25
      Veles25 4 September 2013 07: 34
      -9
      people in the USSR talked about the fall of the United States and now. what's the point? why lie to people?
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 4 September 2013 07: 40
        +4
        Quote: Veles25
        people in the USSR talked about the fall of the United States and now. what's the point? why lie to people?

        Really! Why talk? We live in the 21st century. SHOULD SHOW:



        1. Veles25
          Veles25 4 September 2013 07: 43
          -9
          you find homeless people so what?
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 4 September 2013 07: 45
            13
            Quote: Veles25
            you find homeless people so what?

            Hmm ...

            1. Veles25
              Veles25 4 September 2013 08: 58
              +2
              I can upload a lot of videos about homeless people in Russia, but what's the point?
              1. alex13-61
                alex13-61 4 September 2013 10: 49
                +4
                Quote: Veles25
                I can upload a lot of videos about homeless people in Russia, but what's the point?

                But the trouble is that this "a lot" appeared after Russia began to build a "capitalist paradise" in your likeness ...
                1. Veles25
                  Veles25 4 September 2013 11: 09
                  +1
                  You say that there were no homeless people in the USSR?
                  1. alex13-61
                    alex13-61 4 September 2013 11: 49
                    +3
                    Quote: Veles25
                    You say that there were no homeless people in the USSR?

                    There is no such quantity. Absolute zero, almost impossible.
                    Homeless people in the USSR are extremely rare.
                  2. Kite
                    Kite 4 September 2013 14: 17
                    +2
                    No, that's not what they want to tell you about! And the fact that you, living with an unlimited budget, are not able to provide the prosperity of your own population! Why, then, get in everywhere waving a club of democratization with fighting cries for human rights?
                    1. Rumata
                      Rumata 4 September 2013 14: 41
                      0
                      Quote: Kite
                      No, that's not what they want to tell you about! And the fact that you, living with an unlimited budget, are not able to provide the prosperity of your own population! Why, then, get in everywhere waving a club of democratization with fighting cries for human rights?

                      Unemployment is not an indicator. In the USA, it is only 2.5% percent higher than in the Scandinavian countries. And in Mexico, for example, unemployment is only 3%, is there that the standard of living is 3 times higher than in the US? Probably there medicine is better than in Europe twice.
                      Not so long ago I read an article about one such soldier. He served several years, received preferential admission to college. From there they kicked him out. He refuses to work in many places where the specialty of cleaning, construction, taxi drivers, truckers, etc. is not needed, but he constantly shines in the USA because there this topic is now popular. And what is such a person an indicator of the standard of living in the country? Should he be forced to work by force? Or pay him a frenzied pension all his life for having served 4 years already? And how many cases of divorce, where homeless people tell tales to cameras. I'm not saying that this is not, but it happens in any country.
          2. Valery Neonov
            4 September 2013 09: 15
            +1
            But because !!!! winked
          3. alex13-61
            alex13-61 4 September 2013 09: 30
            +4
            Quote: Veles25
            you find homeless people so what?

            And what, in general, is the percentage of homeowners in the US?
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 4 September 2013 13: 33
              +1
              Gee gee! Good question, do not wait for an answer ...
        2. hommer
          hommer 4 September 2013 08: 15
          +3
          Quote: GreatRussia
          Why talk? SHOULD SHOW:


          Thanks for the video.
          "Empire of Lies" - this is the softest thing that comes to mind.
          There is democracy - the right to yap at rulers. There is no sense.
          Particularly hit on the nerves of the scene of the beating of Iraqi children with a bunch of shit in American uniform. The soldiers are bad.
      2. alex13-61
        alex13-61 4 September 2013 10: 42
        +4
        Quote: Veles25
        people in the USSR talked about the fall of the United States and now. what's the point? why lie to people?

        Are you able to pay off your debt ???
        1. Veles25
          Veles25 4 September 2013 11: 10
          -5
          our duty is not yours.
          1. alex13-61
            alex13-61 4 September 2013 11: 52
            +2
            Quote: Veles25
            our duty is not yours.

            Yes, the trouble is that, thanks to your "green paper" imposed on the whole world - it concerns everyone ... and, of course, why should we ...
        2. Max otto
          Max otto 4 September 2013 11: 24
          +1
          Quote: alex13-61

          Are you able to pay off your debt ???

          It is unrealistic to repay such debts. Therefore, I feel that the debtor should soon disappear. Well, after all, in life, he either disappeared or was killed. So, following the logic, the US should disappear soon, the world government sentenced them. And the frame, like fools, leads them into the abyss.
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 September 2013 07: 35
    +1
    An attack on Syria, if it takes place, will affect the entire system of modern international relations: this warning, issued on September 3 from Moscow, is not an empty phrase.
    "utter nonsense" clearly does not understand this .. I'll have to learn!
    1. Veles25
      Veles25 4 September 2013 07: 41
      -2
      Have to learn?

      words are cheap
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 4 September 2013 09: 32
        +2
        Quote: Veles25
        words are cheap

        Never respected those who are not responsible for the words ....
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        2. Veles25
          Veles25 4 September 2013 09: 41
          -3
          most people on the site, Russia will play a role in the Syrian war as a result of US bombing. that's what i said words are cheap
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 4 September 2013 13: 38
        0
        And whiskey costs money, right? So America does not have MONEY! There are fakes, but no money. And there is no gold ... And there is no word, one lie. Did Lagererek keep an eye on himself? Review the story with the Japanese ... most of them didn’t know the Japanese language, they were Americans in the third generation. And then you ... maybe they won’t get to the concentration camp ...
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 4 September 2013 14: 25
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          And whiskey costs money, right? So America does not have MONEY! There are fakes, but no money. And there is no gold ...

          And why not words about what is? A strong industry, for example, untouched natural resources, science ... You can read the mantra about the external debt of the USA (mostly yourself) for as long as you want, but the system existing in the USA drives scientific progress. There will be no USA, will we all wait for Skolkovo or hope for Indians? Or like in the USSR, where almost all breakthrough technologies were connected with the military, and the civilian sphere was in the Stone Age, in comparison with the west. It is interesting how the loss of 80% of published scientific papers or, for example, 75% of the scientific laboratories of the planet, will affect the progress. This is a sign of zombie the masses when they are looking for only the bad, get hung up on it, and come up with excuses for everything positive.
          1. alex13-61
            alex13-61 4 September 2013 14: 44
            0
            Quote: Rumata
            Strong industry

            Moved to China ...
            Quote: Rumata
            You can read the mantra about the external debt of the United States as much as you like (mostly to yourself)

            And not China, Japan, Russia? ... And, I understand, the Fed .... so those guys, for the sake of profit, they eat their mother ....
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 4 September 2013 15: 07
              0
              Quote: alex13-61
              Moved to China ...

              Partially relocated light industry, which by the way is now returning. If we talk about heavy industry, then with this in the US everything is more or less normal. There are problems, the same aluminum has to be purchased in a furious amount, but not everything is so bad.
              Whatever they say about the service sector that affects GDP, things like industrial output (PP) give a normal indication of the level of industry in the country. The USA lags behind the EU and China, but not by much. In Russia, for example, industrial production is 6 times less than in China and the EU 4.5 times than in the USA 4 times. Japan and Germany take 5th and XNUMXth place (after the EU, China, USA), I think you will not deny that there is a sufficiently developed industry? Or are all these indicators true only when it applies to all countries except the United States?
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 4 September 2013 18: 31
            0
            Strong industry, for example

            Yeah .. here they already said, with a residence permit in China. And if you rustle specifically in the branches of industry, it turns out either it falls into decay, or these are transnational companies (which you can’t classify as national ones).
            untouched natural resources

            Tell that to people living near shale gas production areas ...
            the science...

            Yes, just like that ... by construction. ALL of your science is emigrants from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Europe, Asia. Example? All your rocket technology is based on the work of Werner von Braun ... remember who he is and where he came from.
            but the system existing in the USA is driven by scientific progress.

            What???? Moves Progress? Which part of it? What did the United States create to move humanity forward ???? Crumbs !!!! Ito, these crumbs were created by the same emigrants! Basically - weapons, conquests, intrigues, the overthrow of objectionable governments, the bombing of countries.
            There will be no USA, will we all wait for Skolkovo or hope for the Indians?

            There will be no USA, the world will become much calmer, and probably this same progress will not go to the military side at all.
            Or like in the USSR, where almost all breakthrough technologies were connected with the military commissar, and the civilian sphere was in the Stone Age, in comparison with the west.

            Do not lie! The USSR was not the first to use the atomic bomb for military purposes! And the USSR did not invent chemical and bacteriological weapons! Not the USSR invented a tank, a cruise missile, a bomb. Our weapon is just the answer to your efforts to wipe us off the face of the earth. But while creating weapons, we did not forget the peaceful direction - the first satellite, the first astronaut, the first nuclear reactor for energy and much more.
            I wonder how the loss of 80% of published scientific papers or, for example, 75% of the scientific laboratories of the planet, will affect the progress

            No way. Because these laboratories mainly work for the military.
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 5 September 2013 08: 14
              0
              Quote: Wedmak
              Yeah .. here they already said, with a residence permit in China. And if you rustle specifically in the branches of industry, it turns out either it falls into decay, or these are transnational companies (which you can’t classify as national ones).

              Well, make a noise. The American heavy industry with registration in China? Himself not funny? Look at the industrial production index in the United States to find out if it is declining or not, and then we'll talk.
              Quote: Wedmak
              Yes, just like that ... by construction. ALL of your science is emigrants from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Europe, Asia. Example? All your rocket technology is based on the work of Werner von Braun ... remember who he is and where he came from.

              Tell these tales to the grannies in the bazaar. Science is always based on the discoveries of its predecessors. Using your example, I can poke and say that there was no science in the USSR, they used the achievements of Newton and Kepler ...
              On this site, I have repeatedly listed the scientists born in the USA and their discoveries. 75% of professors, for example, Berkeley were born in the United States. Check out where the United States Nobel Laureates were born over the past 25 years, most of them again in the United States. Tales of scholars from Ukraine and Belarus with Russia that drive US science are suitable for patriotic hamsters
              Quote: Wedmak

              What???? Moves Progress? Which part of it? What did the United States create to move humanity forward ???? Crumbs !!!! Ito, these crumbs were created by the same emigrants! Basically - weapons, conquests, intrigues, the overthrow of objectionable governments, the bombing of countries.

              Read carefully, I wrote that the system that works there is driving progress. Many discoveries find application in the civilian sphere; many things initially do not even have military application. You have a cheer-patriotism of the brain, I will explain on the fingers. For example, before insulin was grown in pigs, it was very expensive. in the USA they created cheap and effective bioreactors and fermenters and now insulin costs a penny. There are dozens of such examples of progress in the civil sphere.
              Quote: Wedmak
              Do not lie! The USSR was not the first to use the atomic bomb for military purposes! And the USSR did not invent chemical and bacteriological weapons! Not the USSR invented a tank, a cruise missile, a bomb. Our weapon, just an answer to your efforts to wipe us off the face of the earth

              Double two ... Everything in which the USSR was ahead, either had military use or was the result of a race, for example space. As an example, lasers. The USSR at one time overtook everyone and everything in this area, but it was mega secret and no use in the civilian sphere. You should tell how much lasers accelerated progress when they began to be used in the civilian sphere in the USA? And it began to develop there back in the 80s, in parallel with military research on lasers
              Quote: Wedmak
              No way. Because these laboratories mainly work for the military.

              I won’t even answer this nonsense ... Of course, hundreds of laboratories in universities, MIT, Kaltek, Yale, Princeton, Cambridge, etc., etc., all work for the army. I haven’t read anything crazy before
  4. Tamerlanf1
    Tamerlanf1 4 September 2013 07: 38
    +5
    The conservative leaders are to blame for the fall of the "great empires", who remember the "good old days" and never want to look at the situation from a different angle.
  5. a52333
    a52333 4 September 2013 07: 38
    +3
    There will be a further rallying of the people of Syria around the government. A new wave of hatred for the United States in the Muslim world will rise.
    I hope that this will happen. "A just democratic world". Well, well, as they say, down with the masks.
  6. Quiet
    Quiet 4 September 2013 07: 41
    +4
    The United States has only one way out: to bend over and bite off "bells" out of anger !!!!! am wassat , so as not to leave such a vile offspring after his death !!! lol
  7. Revolver
    Revolver 4 September 2013 08: 10
    +7
    Over the past 12 years, the US has conceptually lost three wars - the Afghan, Iraqi and Libyan.

    I do not agree. America won the Afghan and Iraq wars easily, quickly, and beautifully. Just like the Soviet Union at one time Afghan. And in Libya, America was on the sidelines, losing leadership to Geyrope.
    What they lost in Afghanistan and Iraq is the post-war construction of Western-style shit democracy. About the same as the USSR lost the construction of socialism in Afghanistan. Well, it's time to understand that the Arab-Islamic countries, as long as Islam remains the dominant doctrine and ideology in them, do not accept any other ideology.
    The war in Syria, if any, will also be won easily, quickly, beautifully, and most likely inexpensively. But if the day after the war, America undertakes to build shit democracy there, it will be another loss. But Obama seems to have no alternative plans. Well, it's nice for him to step on the same rake that Bush has stepped on twice already. It’s just that Obama will get a rake with a virtual shaft in his forehead, and he will not fall under real bullets and roadside mines.
    1. GRDS
      GRDS 4 September 2013 08: 47
      +3
      In my opinion, one cannot win in any war (human life is priceless, and it can’t do without losses in any war), one can win.
    2. Gecko
      Gecko 4 September 2013 08: 58
      +4
      Are you sure that they are doing this for the sake of democracy?
      Domination is the true goal of all US wars.
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 4 September 2013 09: 38
        +2
        Quote: gecko
        Domination is the true goal of all US wars.

        I would say - maintaining (the status quo) of the existing situation ... but little by little ... And if you abandon the "green", it will work out quickly ...
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 4 September 2013 08: 44
    +7
    And if now Russia makes a move with a horse, and with the help of its fleet and aircraft, with the permission of Assad, will deliver targeted attacks on militants? How do you like this situation?
    In Washington, they get a little dumb, but they won’t be able to intervene, even if they want to, because it will not be just aggression against Syria, it will be aggression against two allied countries. One of which has nuclear weapons. And there you look and Iran will catch up. Then all the mongrel of the United States will quietly pray in the corner so that they will not be blown away by chance ...
    1. Veles25
      Veles25 4 September 2013 08: 49
      -6
      Wedmak
      what's the point of talking nonsense?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 4 September 2013 08: 50
        +3
        Wedmak
        what's the point of talking nonsense?

        Argument, why all of a sudden nonsense?
        1. Veles25
          Veles25 4 September 2013 09: 00
          -1
          because you know Russia will not go to war when the US attacks Syria
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 4 September 2013 09: 31
            +3
            Why to the war? Where is the war from?
            Technically, these attacks will have little effect, but politically it will be (in my opinion) a very strong move. This a) will show the Syrians that we fully support them and not only by talking and delivering weapons b) show the bandits what will be with them and morally suppress them c) show the USA and the henchmen that Russia can move from conversations to actions, and that such an angry Russian, everyone knows. d) Iran may move to more active actions. e) China may finally say its word
            And this is at least the result.
            1. Veles25
              Veles25 4 September 2013 09: 50
              0
              Technically, these strikes will do little? look at Libya
              1. Babon
                Babon 4 September 2013 09: 52
                +5
                Yes, a lot of what these blows will give.
              2. Wedmak
                Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 02
                +3
                Technically, these strikes will do little? look at Libya

                And what should I see there? It is one thing to hammer infrastructure, it is another to dig out militants from holes. Both here and there it is possible to apply the Kyrgyz Republic, but militarily it will be different results.
                1. Babon
                  Babon 4 September 2013 10: 13
                  +2
                  Well, in Yugoslavia in 1999 yielded nothing? The strikes are so precise that it didn’t stop them and called cluster bombs dotted. So, not only Tomahawks will bomb.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 28
                    0
                    Well, in Yugoslavia in 1999 did nothing?

                    And what has given? How much they ironed, and as a result, the air defense suffered so not so much that they managed to bring down the F-117. With the stupidity of the Americans, but still.
                    But I do not propose a mass raid, but only a dozen point strikes. So to say, a demonstration of intentions.
                    1. Babon
                      Babon 5 September 2013 00: 40
                      +1
                      What was the result? What do you need for the countries to stone in the Stone Age? So that only ruins remain around? They have achieved theirs, the Serbs have withdrawn troops from Kosovo.
                2. Veles25
                  Veles25 4 September 2013 10: 14
                  -3
                  Rebels will wage war after US bombing
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 29
                    +2
                    I understand you very poorly ... Either you communicate with the help of a translator, or you don’t know Russian well.
                    1. Veles25
                      Veles25 4 September 2013 10: 31
                      -1
                      with the help of a translator
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 46
                        +3
                        Clear.
                        Then answer the question: who are the rebels? And what to do with such rebels who shoot children, the elderly, eat the hearts of people, and force people to convert to Islam?
                      2. Veles25
                        Veles25 4 September 2013 11: 13
                        +4
                        You are right there are different groups of people. If you think that I am for the war, then I will tell you that I am against it
                      3. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 4 September 2013 11: 27
                        +1
                        Good. With this we agreed. As for my version, it is not at all fantastic. Theoretically, Assad may ask Russia for help, say, in the destruction of a particularly fortified area. And in general, nothing prevents Russia from providing this assistance in the form of a pair of Tu-95 with a full range of missiles. Next, official statements are made on behalf of the Foreign Ministries of Syria and Russia regarding the strike of Russian strategic bombers on the territory of Syria. Shaking hands, congratulations for a successful operation. Everything. The act of the play is over.
                        Yes, the operation is more indicative, but how will the United States respond? How will you behave?
                      4. Veles25
                        Veles25 4 September 2013 11: 36
                        -2
                        bomb Syria that's how it happens
                      5. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 4 September 2013 11: 52
                        +1
                        Syria? Reasons to bomb? Who exactly? The army of Syria, Assad, the militants, the country's infrastructure? Or will you just throw tomahawks across the fields?
                      6. Veles25
                        Veles25 4 September 2013 11: 59
                        0
                        how Libya will be special goals
                      7. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 4 September 2013 12: 21
                        +2
                        Yeah ... well done. The Bedouin Kadaffi did not even imagine what would be a special purpose. Like the thousands of people in Libya, which were bombed with blows for special purposes in the Stone Age. And now you stupidly row oil and gas from there.

                        Let's call everything in your own words? Libya is NATO's armed invasion of a sovereign country, with the goal of appropriating its oil and gas reserves, as well as with the aim of fueling a conflict in the Middle East.
                      8. Veles25
                        Veles25 4 September 2013 12: 46
                        -2
                        Russia voted yes for Libya
                      9. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 4 September 2013 13: 21
                        +2
                        No, Russia abstained in Libya.
                        And this is what your intervention led to - devastation, rampant democracy, Libya as a country actually ceased to exist.
    2. alex13-61
      alex13-61 4 September 2013 10: 36
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      Either you communicate with the help of a translator, or you don’t know Russian well.

      The impression is that he uses an Internet translator. In my opinion, this is not even our former compatriot, but a natural "gringo"
      1. Veles25
        Veles25 4 September 2013 10: 46
        0
        I expressed my opinion, you are your
  • alex13-61
    alex13-61 4 September 2013 10: 40
    +2
    Quote: Veles25
    look at Libya

    And why? After your democratization, you won’t look at it without tears ... or are there any positive changes ???
  • Babon
    Babon 4 September 2013 09: 51
    +2
    Do you know a lot of angry Russians? With whom I communicate every day, what about work, what after, what with relatives, everyone is not interested in knowing anything about Syria, everyone is interested in their everyday problems. I personally have not seen a single person pissed at the USA in everyday life. This year, the record for vacationing in Turkey among Russians, and my friends went there, but most of the drum that there Erdogan against Syria.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 04
      +5
      everyone is interested in their everyday problems.

      I will not even express thoughts about this.
      I personally have not seen a single person pissed at the USA in everyday life.

      I don’t know, nor know ... I meet people every day who don’t really like the USA. And they prefer to rest on the Black Sea and, in general, in Russia.
      1. Babon
        Babon 4 September 2013 10: 16
        0
        Not to love and be angry are different things, I also do not like the USA. But somewhere off the coast of Syria to see our angry military, this will not happen.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 30
          +3
          But somewhere off the coast of Syria to see our angry military, this will not happen.

          God forbid that it was not. In August 2008, everyone saw how the Georgians were draping themselves from the angry Russians ...
          1. Babon
            Babon 5 September 2013 00: 34
            0
            Do not confuse different things, where is Syria in the know? Take a look at the map. It’s definitely not going to work with Georgia.
  • Veles25
    Veles25 4 September 2013 10: 18
    0
    JDAM ........
  • Babon
    Babon 4 September 2013 09: 37
    +2
    Argument, why all of a sudden nonsense?

    Because it's utter nonsense.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 4 September 2013 09: 42
      +4
      Yes, a strong argument. In terms of significance, it is comparable to the phrase "And what?"
      1. Babon
        Babon 4 September 2013 09: 47
        0
        First, study international agreements on the supply of weapons, especially about restrictions, and then describe here, the angry Russians actually showed on their territory, and China will not tell anyone, they won’t manage without the United States, and what kind of joy do you have about Iran? So far, interests coincide, but it may happen that we will later dislike this very Iran very much.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 09
          +2
          Study first international arms supply agreements, especially about restrictions,

          Yes, here ... the United States wanted to spit on these agreements and restrictions and has already brought a considerable fleet to the Syrian coast.
          angry Russians actually showed on their territory

          What did they show when they showed?
          China won’t tell anyone, they won’t manage without the USA themselves,

          China without the USA will live well. They have a bunch of American factories, they have resources, they have an army, the economy is on the rise. Another 10-15 years, and China will travel to the United States.
          and what kind of joy do you have about Iran? So far, interests coincide, but it may happen that we will later dislike this very Iran very much.

          What a joy, where did you find it? I don’t mind that we are allies now, and tomorrow we will divide the Caspian Sea showing the power of our ships ... But at the moment, Iran realizes that it is the next ...
        2. hommer
          hommer 4 September 2013 10: 36
          +3
          Quote: Babon
          Angry Russians


          Do not anger Russians -
          28/08/2013, 07:45
          Two tourists from Chelyabinsk beat a brown bear during an excursion to the Polish Tatra National Park. Arriving at the site, the park's guard found an unconscious bear and two bloodied men nearby.
          The staff of the reserve admitted that at first they could not believe the words of the guide. During the trial, it turned out that the tourists got into the group by accident - they did not pay for the entrance ticket, and the bear that came out to them was mistaken for a disguised reserve employee. “We didn’t know it was a bear. We only wanted to kick him in the face once, so that he would unhook. Well, a fight began,” one of them explained.
          Why the residents of Chelyabinsk needed to beat the "reserve employee", they did not specify. After treating their wounds, the Russian tourists were released from the hospital. Meanwhile, according to Novye Izvestia, they face prosecution according to the law - veterinarians said that the bear was badly injured: he had many stitches (including nine on his head). In addition, the animal has a broken canine.


          Read more: http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20130828/212342422.html#ixzz2du2adzqj
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          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 47
            +2
            And the bear, as a citizen of Poland, also probably filed a lawsuit? laughing
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 4 September 2013 10: 16
    +3
    Quote: Wedmak
    Reason why suddenly bullshit

    Putin's interview to Channel One and the American agency AR. "Russia will agree to a military operation in Syria if Assad's guilt is proven." "We must wait for the conclusions of UN experts."
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 34
      +1
      Yeah, yes, like no one knows that Assad has nothing to do with it.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 4 September 2013 10: 08
    +3
    Quote: Wedmak
    And if now Russia will make a move with a horse, and with the help of its fleet and aircraft, with the permission of Assad, will deliver targeted attacks on militants

    Minus.
    We are not in a fiction club.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 37
      +2

      Minus.
      We are not in a fiction club.

      Minus ... but for God's sake ... at least ten. And where does the science fiction? I expressed my opinion, you are yours. Moreover, I argued that this would follow, and you covered yourself with Putin’s phrase about the expectation of the withdrawal of UN experts.
      Well, suppose the opposition’s guilt will be proved that the United States will roll back its AUG-gi and return home? Or will it hit the militants? Do not tell, huh?
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 4 September 2013 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        Well, suppose the opposition’s guilt will be proved that the United States will roll back its AUG-gi and return home? Or will it hit the militants? Do not tell, huh?

        Of course not.
        Quote: Wedmak
        And in general, nothing prevents Russia from providing this assistance in the form of a Tu-95 pair with a full range of missiles.

        But this is fantastic.
        Or just your dreams. But the AUG and destroyers are a reality. And the Tu-95 with missiles of a dream that will remain dreams. That's the whole difference.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 4 September 2013 12: 22
          +1
          But this is fantastic.

          But if such a request is actually received from Assad? What prevents to help?
  • Veles25
    Veles25 4 September 2013 10: 26
    -2
    War is scary
  • Veles25
    Veles25 4 September 2013 10: 29
    -2
    .................
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 49
      +2
      What are you trying to say? Use incendiary ammunition in the city, it is generally necessary to be the last bastard. What the United States is.
      1. Veles25
        Veles25 4 September 2013 11: 17
        +1
        I told you the war is bad and only brings suffering
        1. alean245
          alean245 4 September 2013 15: 00
          0
          Veles25, and you are not a bot for an hour?
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 4 September 2013 08: 57
    +3
    Quote: Veles25
    Wedmak
    what's the point of talking nonsense?

    Good morning! What does nonsense mean? This, by the way, will be a very strategic move - an advancing game! By the way, there is our base there, there are people - with the permission of Syria, we will defend them on its territory! There is no nonsense in such cases!
    1. Veles25
      Veles25 4 September 2013 09: 08
      -2

      Russia will not go to war
      1. Veles25
        Veles25 4 September 2013 09: 15
        -1
        Russia will not go to war Sergey Lavrov, he said in the video for 45 minutes
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 4 September 2013 09: 44
        +2
        Lavrov is a politician. And when he says "he will not go to war," this does not at all mean that Russia, if necessary, will not deliver preventive strikes.
        1. Veles25
          Veles25 4 September 2013 10: 00
          0
          Lavrov says Putin tells him
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 38
            +1
            AI ??? Putin is not a politician? Putin said that in no case will he use force? Even if you have to?
          2. Victor
            Victor 4 September 2013 11: 55
            +3
            Quote: Veles25
            Lavrov says Putin tells him

            Naturally, the Minister of Foreign Affairs says that he was approved by the President of Russia.
            But the President of the United States, says only that he approved the Bilderberg club of money bags, which urgently need a war to slap a few hundred thousand Tomahawks and fill their bottomless pockets.
      3. Victor
        Victor 4 September 2013 11: 33
        +2
        Quote: Veles25
        Russia will not go to war

        Veles25, I’ll tell you something. When it comes to Russia, you can never say anything. Learn better the history of Russia and its participation in wars of different historical periods. When your protege and pupil Saakashvili began to kill civilians in South Ossetia, your vaunted analysts also said that Russia would not intervene. Russia intervened, even with such a weak president as Medvedev was.
        The start of attacks on Assad’s troops by the United States, untying the hands of the Russian leadership to strike on militants who are not members of the US Army. Moreover, a huge part of the militants are Alkaida fighters, that is, terrorists of an organization banned throughout the world and subject to destruction. What does the war between the US and Russia have to do with it? Especially if UN experts do not confirm that chemical weapons were used by Assad’s troops. In this case, as the lawyers say, in this case there is no evidence, the word is against the word!
        Therefore, if Putin decides to attack the militants, it will be as legitimate as your attacks on Assad’s troops. After all, no one is encroaching on your aircraft carriers. Although, frankly, I would really like to. Well, still ahead. The world turned over 180 degrees. Now the United States is an evil empire, and Russia upholds the world’s right to freedom of people to live as they want. Now the United States is becoming a world concentration camp and Syria once again proves this.
  • waisson
    waisson 4 September 2013 09: 04
    +5
    how much I live as much and they say, but if it really happened, I would have drunk more than one glass of champagne or maybe stronger for the fall of the democratic regime of amers and the collapse of the rotten state
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 4 September 2013 09: 29
    +2
    I think that it can be considered proven that history moves in a circle, since ancient Egypt, the baton is passed from one empire to another, but the century of their existence was different, the Roman Empire existed in one form or another for one and a half thousand years, and the sun of the British the empire collapsed, roughly speaking, from 1815 to 1945, almost a hundred-odd years later, it just so happened that the dying British Empire transferred all the functions of the global hegemon to the United States and from 45, one way or another, the United States became a global leader, I think that the US empire will last about the same how much is the British Empire, i.e. until about 2050, maybe a little longer, maybe a little less, although having received a good "donor" which they will be able to uncommonly exploit India like the British, the United States can extend its agony for another 100-150 years, it is clear that only Russia can be such a "donor" , but the trouble is, "bloody tyrant and despot" Stalin, having exterminated one and a half billion Russians and keeping another one and a half billion in the Gulag according to Solozhenitsyn, apparently to save himself from the "just wrath" of the Russian people, of course, at gunpoint, it is not clear where Russian scientists were taken to create nuclear weapons which he tested on the Japanese in Hiroshima and Nagasaki using the identical American "super fortress" TU-4, and then threatening Truman and Churchill with nuclear attacks at the Potsdam conference forced them to divide "poor Germany", and immediately drove the entire German population of his half into the GULAG and the remaining billion shot while leaving for Berlin on a "safari." So the mere presence of nuclear weapons in the USSR / Russia cools the ardor of American hawks, who in another case, the entire European part of Russia was bombed out long ago and oil would be pumped from Siberia in full in order to somehow close the gigantic holes in the budget and once again act as "saviors" of Europe from "Russian tyranny and barbarism."
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 4 September 2013 10: 33
    +4
    I put a minus article. The author's expression is to blame: "The United States conceptually lost three wars — Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya."
    The war is won if the goal or goals are achieved. Afghanistan, drug trafficking under control, works for the States. Oil of Iraq and Libya is also under control. There are also three hot spots globally, which certainly will not fade in the coming years. So most likely won they are these three wars, and not lost.
    And in principle, in order to draw conclusions about victories and defeats in the war, you need to know the ultimate goals of those who started it. It may happen that Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya are nothing more than episodes of a big game about the goals of which the author even not guessing.
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 4 September 2013 10: 56
      +3
      Quote: baltika-18
      The author's expression is to blame: "The US conceptually lost three wars — Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya."

      The author had in mind that they did not achieve the goals that were declared at the beginning of the aggression ... Prosperity and democracy do not smell there ...
      Well, and goals about which they do not extend ... of course.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 4 September 2013 11: 48
        +2
        Quote: alex13-61
        The author had in mind that they did not achieve the goals that were stated at the beginning of the aggression ... Prosperity and democracy do not smell there.

        It is certain that the war is being waged for the prosperity of oneself, and not of the one with whom they are waging it. hi
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 4 September 2013 17: 02
        0
        Quote: alex13-61
        The author had in mind that they did not achieve the goals that were stated at the beginning of the aggression.

        Quote: Chernomyrdin
        We wanted the best, but it turned out as always
    2. GDP
      GDP 4 September 2013 14: 09
      +2
      According to statistics, the US invasion of Afghanistan, significantly increased drug exports, as gang leaders urgently needed additional funds to conduct military operations. The US Army in Afghanistan is bogged down. Their actions do not bring any result, all they are thinking about now is how to get out of there with their tail up, albeit with a broken face.
      In iraq they wanted to destroy chemical weapons (it didn’t exist) and establish democracy (It didn’t work, on the contrary, they provoked a civil war on religious grounds). Iran, thanks to the state, is gaining an increasing share of influence in Iraq.
      In Libyait seems like they wanted to plant their guys and establish democracy?
      The good guy - the American ambassador to Libya - was killed. Democracy did not work, in a country of chaos, devastation and blood is still pouring, much more than under Gaddafi
      In Syria wanted democracy in the end got hordes of heavily armed radical al-Qaeda terrorists. Which will kill the Syrian military with the same pleasure as the American.
      And where then did they actually win? Can this even be called a victory? For me it’s the same as if you accidentally enter into a cow’s flat cake, say that it’s warm and soft there ... well ... it smells a bit ...
  • basil200
    basil200 4 September 2013 10: 39
    +1
    In Syria, large large oil deposits have been found. That's why democracy comes to them.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 4 September 2013 17: 39
      0
      Learn the materiel. Just oil in Syria is small, in comparison with the same Saudis, consider that there is not. That is, of course, they are pumping, but after satisfying domestic needs for export, drops remain.
      But democracy does not come there. That is, of course, you can try, but first you need a complete de-Islamization of the country. And given how stubborn they are in this Islam, the population will not even have to be halved but quartered somewhere, which neither Obama nor anyone else will do.
      And Obama will likely go to the construction of shit democracy, as has already been observed in Afghanistan and Iraq. With approximately the same success, i.e. no way.
      The most reasonable option is to find there a smart and strong cykin son and agree that he will be our cykin son, and then let him clean up the traditional methods for these places, such as public executions, and for especially distinguished peeling skin or something else that is just as medieval . Although it looks wild, there will be more order, and there will be much less blood than in the 2 cases described above. And there is positive experience - after all, in 1953 the shah came to power in Iran, and Iran was stable until Jimmy Carter began to indicate the shah to respect human rights, as a result of which the ayatollahs came to power. By the way, even though the shah was also an American Cykin son, relations with the USSR were completely wow, I even remember how Brezhnev met him in Moscow.
  • nod739
    nod739 4 September 2013 10: 41
    +3
    It’s a sin to mention that the USA cares about the citizens of foreign countries, democracy or infringement of someone’s rights there
    what governs the us when attacking a country? the answer is simple - first of all, oil and resources, and then - not the loyalty of the country's leadership, as well as destabilization in the region - Yugoslavia — supersnat @ Slavs again or drug trafficking from Afghanistan — again, everything is close to Russia)

    What happened to Iraq after the war?
    the media is full of information, something like this:

    according to Reuters, on May 9 in Baghdad, a consortium of oil companies led by the US Exxon signed a contract with the American service company Schlumberger Ltd to drill 15 wells in the province of West Qurna. This contract is part of a 20-year contract signed by Exxon last year with the Iraqi government. In addition, on May 10, the Iraqi deputy oil minister announced that he was ready to sign a contract with Anglo-Dutch Royal Dutch Shell worth $ 12 billion for the use of associated petroleum gas from oil fields in southern Iraq. The process of agreeing on the terms of the contract was launched back in 2008.

    total: American ExxonMobil, Japanese Japex, British-Dutch Royal Dutch Shell, French Total, British BP .....
    and you think they care about the violation of the rights of the people / opposition / LGBT ??? ...
    they care only about oil and money
  • Renat
    Renat 4 September 2013 10: 48
    +5
    That's what it's all done for. This candy wrapper eats people, whole countries.
  • Kite
    Kite 4 September 2013 15: 39
    +1
    Quote: Rumata
    .... And what is such a person an indicator of the standard of living in the country?

    so, and I asked a question with the same meaning: in any country there are offended, and amers prefer strangers to justify their "philanthropy" as targets!
  • left-wing
    left-wing 4 September 2013 18: 21
    +2
    It has long been clear to everyone that they are bombing for chaos and destabilization, so it is premature to judge their victories and defeats. History will put everything in its place, though the winners will write it.