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India “rebuild” and “reconfigure” Russian T-50

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India “rebuild” and “reconfigure” Russian T-50

The Indian version of the fifth-generation joint fighter will have less weight, will be more powerful and less noticeable for enemy radar, said the senior director of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, reports The Hindu Times 30 August.


As part of a joint project with Russia, the Indian version of FGFA will be “modified and reconfigured” to meet Indian requirements. "While the Russian version is all-metal, our version will have a wing and tail unit (keels and horizontal stabilizers) made of composite materials," said S. Subrahmanyan, managing director of the MiG complex at HAL. “The use of composites will reduce the weight of the aircraft and reduce radar visibility. Our version will also have more advanced Indian avionics. Thanks to these improvements, we will get a better and more powerful platform, ”he said at the MAKS-2013 air show. Subramanian led the Indian delegation at the exhibition.

FGFA is the largest and most ambitious Indian defense project and the largest joint military-technical cooperation program with Russia. Earlier this year, both sides completed the preliminary design of the FGFA and are now negotiating to create a detailed project. The contract can be signed before the end of this year.

Четыре российского прототипа Т-50 (или ПАК ФА) с января 2010 года выполнили более 200 испытательных полетов. ВВС России намерены принять первые машины на вооружение в 2015 году. Корпорация HAL намерена получить три переработанных прототипа Т-50 в 2015, 2016 и 2017 годах, самолет поступит на вооружение ВВС Индии в 2019 году, сообщил Субраманьян. Проект FGFA выведет индийский опыт в aviation технологиях на гораздо более высокий уровень. «Мы перешли от лицензионного производства и передачи технологий к совместному проектированию и разработке», отметил он. Индия поставляет авионику для самолетов Су-30, которые Россия строит для Малайзии и Индонезии. «Совместная разработка предполагает гораздо более широкие возможности для обмена знаниями по сравнению с лицензионным производством. При такой организации работы стороны имеют все права на интеллектуальную собственность», добавил он.

Currently, India is working with Russia on the second project - the creation of a multi-purpose transport aircraft, which is already at the stage of detailed design. With the West, India had only one joint design experience - the Dhruv light helicopter was developed with the assistance of the German company MVV.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 3 September 2013 10: 10 New
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    Well, yes, we recall how they tried to "reconfigure" their aircraft carrier wassat and instead of asbestos they asked for brickwork ... The "reconfigurators" are still those, the submarines probably also "reconfigured" and drowned.
    Our main thing is not to conduct provocations, what they must produce and transfer under the agreements, and then let them “reconfigure” themselves at their own peril and risk, and then claims will go: “We paid, but d ... oh got ... Return our money "
    And let him name “Swap” his great experience in “Perestroika” laughing
    1. Northerner
      Northerner 3 September 2013 10: 15 New
      +6
      It is interesting to look at more modern Indian equipment. laughing
      1. the polar
        the polar 3 September 2013 11: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Northerner
        It is interesting to look at more modern Indian equipment. laughing

        Yes, it’s really interesting what kind of “advanced Indian avionics” is, whether this means avionics or algorithms for an integrated aircraft control system.
      2. 76rtbr
        76rtbr 3 September 2013 19: 09 New
        +2
        three elephants and a sacred cow, instrumentation !!!!!
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 3 September 2013 10: 16 New
      +8
      How small children want to make out everything and see what the toy has inside, and after assembly there are always extra parts laughing
      1. Airman
        Airman 3 September 2013 18: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        How small children want to make out everything and see what the toy has inside, and after assembly there are always extra parts laughing

        Why are you all so fed up on the Indians? They just do not have enough high-quality metal, so they decided to reduce weight and size. The economy should be ECONOMIC.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 September 2013 10: 25 New
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      Quote: ...
      will have less weight, will be more powerful and less noticeable to enemy radars,


      The stump is clear. Already the first photos are
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 3 September 2013 17: 12 New
        0
        will have less weight, will be more powerful and less noticeable to enemy radars
        It will have less weight by reducing the cockpit by half, and the pilot they will be an as-yogi who can enter into a trance and reduce the weight of his body.
    4. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 3 September 2013 10: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      "Reconfigurators" are still those

      Yeah, you just said that ... The T-50 Indians will rebuild, this is not a problem for them, though he will stop flying, but this is not the main thing, is it ?? The main thing is YOURS !!!! Avionics is the best !!!! A fly ??? Yes, it’s not a question, we’ll smoke something and fly, and shoot ...
      PS
      Although maybe I'm too rude, and ??? Maybe that is bungled, although I doubt very much ......
    5. S-200
      S-200 3 September 2013 11: 55 New
      +4
      Indian pepper was "drawn" in front of the magazine, wiped off what is called a crimson-Russian nose ... tongue
      and our ignoramuses shawala - write, province, paper will endure even the Indian diarrhea of ​​aircraft designs ... wassat
      PS In my opinion, they have already worked out stealth technologies on their plastic cars for the poor, now they are inspired by success to tear up! belay
  2. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 3 September 2013 10: 15 New
    11
    Something smacks of populism and "cotton wool riding." This is when it became the fashion of India to make better avionics (better than on the T-50), and in the gliders they are more “smart”. What are you, what are you gentlemen Indians. Whistler's Day?
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 3 September 2013 10: 25 New
      +2
      and Indian hemp smells.
    2. Gur
      Gur 3 September 2013 10: 49 New
      +3
      Indeed, the phrase from the movie, “Why don’t you go so smart in a system,” begs you. If you don’t have a mind, you’ve developed it yourself, then you read the documentation and websites developed by Indians for office equipment service and wonder how deaf they came up with the deaf, but this is an airplane. Yes, to hell with their Indians like dirt, no significant sacrifices are not afraid of them, and money can also be seen.
  3. patsantre
    patsantre 3 September 2013 10: 19 New
    +1
    Their mother will not die of modesty. “More advanced Indian avionics” - I’m doubly accustomed from this phrase. On the one hand, we’ve gotten to buy electronics from India (at least for the Su-30, and it’s kind of like developing all kinds of BIOs and they also worked on electronics for the T-50). On the other, India openly declares its superiority in this area. And in the third, have they really decided that they can make, for example, a radar better than ours?
    And indeed, judging by what they said, the best plane will be with them, not ours. I don’t know whether to believe it or not, but that’s not the case.
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 3 September 2013 10: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: patsantre
      (at least for the Su-30, and it seems like they also worked on the development of all kinds of BIOS and electronics for the T-50)

      You believe these masters of art whistling more. For the Su-30, some of our development computers are assembled in India, well, such were their requirements initially, so that they could produce something. Well, when it came to buying a Su30 for the Russian Air Force (thank God, less than 20 years have passed), they simply did not begin to change cooperation because it’s not necessary. As for the T50, they don’t develop a nifig there, since they used to spit booty until the last moment and really fit into the program only when the first prototypes flew, and by that time there were already experienced radar stations and had already passed the tests.
      Well, as for the rest - these are the features of the mentality apparently. And T50 they have all-metal, and Indian avionics advanced and blah blah blah. In short, I hope ours will not go on about balabolok, otherwise they will turn this thing into Arjun with wings for about 30 years, but we don’t need it. We need FGFA to get into production with the T50, otherwise the economic effect of the larger series will be lost.
      1. ankh-andrej
        ankh-andrej 3 September 2013 11: 29 New
        +2
        Yes, about all-metal, he said it just like in a puddle of p .. l. Feels like a "Specialist." lol
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 3 September 2013 11: 29 New
        +1
        Well, yes, the most advanced tank of all time is certainly the “Arjun”, but for some reason they are in no hurry to refuse to purchase our tanks. what
    2. Gur
      Gur 3 September 2013 10: 51 New
      +5
      The advanced version is a plane, when it falls, it will perform Indian hits like - "Jimi Acha, Acha"))))
    3. koosss
      koosss 3 September 2013 14: 31 New
      0
      Quote: patsantre
      buy electronics from India (at least for the Su-30

      please note
      "for the Su-30 aircraft that Russia is building for Malaysia and Indonesia"
      that I think is very important)
      export is known to be not the best) wink
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 3 September 2013 10: 19 New
    +1
    So the Indians intend to clean the PAK FA chakras? Oh well. Bollywood and Hollywood will not be brought to good.
  5. avt
    avt 3 September 2013 10: 23 New
    +8
    Ponte in turkeys are not exterminated. laughing ,, Subramanyan led the Indian delegation at the exhibition. "----- The campaign decided that he was cooler than Poghosyan, he had more beeches in his surname, but since it ends in yang, the plane will be better. laughing
  6. Garrin
    Garrin 3 September 2013 10: 23 New
    +1
    India “rebuild” and “reconfigure” Russian T-50

    Well. Now begins to dance and sing.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 3 September 2013 14: 22 New
      +1
      India “rebuild” and “reconfigure” Russian T-50
      Swam, we know. Firstly, the Indians have nothing to do with the T-50: only to the FGFA - the commercial version. And secondly, when an Indian begins to "beat himself in the chest", like that gorilla, then there is a wild delay of development time. And the output is zero.
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 September 2013 10: 24 New
    0
    Let reconfigure and we take a look .... The main thing is that this mutually beneficial cooperation was!
  8. domokl
    domokl 3 September 2013 10: 25 New
    0
    Well, they have survived ... More advanced Indian avionics is already a reality. If this goes further, it is not the Indians who will work with us, but we if we agree ... winked
  9. KCC
    KCC 3 September 2013 10: 25 New
    0
    As I understand it, the Indians, by and large, will leave only our engines, let's see the result after the restructuring of the aircraft, as they understand it, they want to get a platform and then improve it. I hardly believe in a more advanced Indian aircraft. The main thing is to finance the creation of ours and then the flag in hand for experimentation.
  10. Veles25
    Veles25 3 September 2013 10: 28 New
    16
    A New Look
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 3 September 2013 11: 32 New
      +3
      Land motor-carrier. A purely Indian invention. Tremble, the Chinese !!! am
  11. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 3 September 2013 10: 28 New
    0
    Quote: patsantre
    Their mother will not die of modesty. “More advanced Indian avionics” - I’m doubly accustomed from this phrase. On the one hand, we’ve gotten to buy electronics from India (at least for the Su-30, and it’s kind of like developing all kinds of BIOs and they also worked on electronics for the T-50). On the other, India openly declares its superiority in this area. And in the third, have they really decided that they can make, for example, a radar better than ours?
    And indeed, judging by what they said, the best plane will be with them, not ours. I don’t know whether to believe it or not, but that’s not the case.

    It is possible that we are talking about the export version of the SU - 30 MKI (special modification for India).
  12. Sirs
    Sirs 3 September 2013 10: 29 New
    +1
    How to improve stealth due to composite materials, the architecture of the aircraft for this must be changed by the glider itself, and this is already a task for the developer's design bureau, but it’s clear that they will do everything themselves. but they won’t succeed, because they don’t have a school of designing such a class of equipment.
    And if they do this and get kakash.a well-wishers around the world will ring that Russia does not know how to make airplanes. And there, prove that the Indians themselves wanted to change the performance characteristics.
  13. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 3 September 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    "our version will have a wing and tail (keels and horizontal stabilizers) made of composite materials" "- as far as I know in Russia they refused this option because of a loss of strength. The Indian version will be less maneuverable apparently!
  14. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 3 September 2013 10: 33 New
    0
    Verbiage cannot be taken away from the Hindu, so let the joint development take off, disappear from the radar, and we will draw conclusions!
  15. basil200
    basil200 3 September 2013 10: 34 New
    +3
    Well, these are Indians, they have a hero in a movie on a tractor, they do such tricks from a springboard. On the T-50, fly backwards before spitting.
  16. dvvv
    dvvv 3 September 2013 10: 57 New
    +3
    As their MiG-21s fall, so the T-50 will be lowered to the flying coffin, and in the end the Russians will be to blame
    1. ankh-andrej
      ankh-andrej 3 September 2013 11: 37 New
      +1
      FGFA will be built in India and for India. Let him even plow the earth with his nose. If our T-50s fly normally, no one will be able to claim us.
  17. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 3 September 2013 11: 30 New
    0
    Something I do not believe that they will do better. This is not possible.
  18. ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 3 September 2013 11: 42 New
    +3
    Probably the Indians have their own Hindu Tsagi with a wind tunnel, into which they will blow the whole team to test the strength aerodynamic characteristics.
  19. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 3 September 2013 11: 42 New
    +1
    "The dog barks - the caravan goes." If only their financial share was paid on time - and in advance.
  20. Ulysses
    Ulysses 3 September 2013 11: 49 New
    +5
    The submarine has already been "reconfigured" by shoving its batteries there.
    Result.
  21. Rash
    Rash 3 September 2013 12: 40 New
    0
    The Su-30 was also the pinnacle of perfection, however, India requested the TTX even steeper and the Su-30-MKI with OBT, Thales suspensions, electronic warfare, LCD displays appeared. IMHO, the T-50 is waiting for the same fate.
  22. Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 3 September 2013 12: 44 New
    +4
    Regarding avionics, India has no problem purchasing components and even ready-made modules in Western countries. But where Russia takes the modern element base for its avionics is a mystery to me.



    By the way, the Indian self-developed AWACS:
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 September 2013 13: 16 New
      -1
      By the way, the Indian self-developed AWACS:

      What a terrible .... hung up, as if a drunken engineer glued it with glue and fixed it with tape.
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 3 September 2013 13: 46 New
        +1
        What a terrible .... hung up, as if a drunken engineer glued it with glue and fixed it with tape.


        All claims against Brazilians:
    2. Tektor
      Tektor 3 September 2013 14: 26 New
      +2
      But where Russia takes the modern element base for its avionics is a mystery to me.
      As where? In Belarus - the only fragment of the USSR, preserved in its original form. lol
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 3 September 2013 14: 45 New
        +4
        As where? In Belarus - the only fragment of the USSR, preserved in its original form.


        The keyword is "modern." About the Belarusian "silicone valley" somehow did not hear.
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 3 September 2013 17: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Tourist Breakfast
      it's a mystery to me

      We are all from the USSR!
      “The capitalists will not only sell us the rope on which we hang them, they will give it to us on credit.”

      Is that familiar?
      bully
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 3 September 2013 18: 34 New
        0
        “The capitalists will not only sell us the rope on which we hang them, they will give it to us on credit.”
        Is that familiar?


        So it really is. Only in the case of the element base there are all sorts of restrictions that, however, can be circumvented through front companies.
    4. ultra
      ultra 3 September 2013 17: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Tourist Breakfast
      But where Russia takes the modern element base for its avionics is a mystery to me.

      We do it yourself! It’s not strange that the lag in microelectronics from the time of the USSR has been reduced to a minimum. Despite the limitations, it is possible to purchase equipment (in particular lithographic) from leading world manufacturers. The main problem here is the organization of large volumes of production. hi
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 3 September 2013 18: 23 New
        +1
        We do it yourself! It’s not strange that the lag in microelectronics from the time of the USSR has been reduced to a minimum. Despite the limitations, it is possible to purchase equipment (in particular lithographic) from leading world manufacturers. The main problem here is the organization of large volumes of production. hi


        But the Russian media write differently:

        Prosecutors in the New York area of ​​Brooklyn on Wednesday indicted 11 suspects in the illegal export of military technology to Russia, for which they face up to 20 years in prison, American media report citing a statement from the Department of Justice.

        .....

        According to American investigators, through his company Arc Electronics, which he founded in Houston and his wife, Fishenko purchased dual-purpose electronics from American firms and delivered it to Russia, where it could be used for military purposes, in particular in radars, detonators, surveillance and guidance systems. The turnover of such electronics in the United States is legal, but its export requires a special license, which Arc Electronics did not have.


        Ibid:

        The lack of an element base in Russia for complex electronics is an open secret. At the presentation of the first Glonass civilian receivers in 2008, the director general of the Space Instrumentation Research Institute Yuri Korolev admitted: of all the details in the receiver, the Russian one had only an antenna - the rest was imported. “The Russian electronics industry does not produce the elements necessary for such devices,” he complained. “Our grandchildren will see this base at best, and even that is unlikely,” said the director of one of the companies working with Roscosmos. - Over 60% of electronic components in our satellites are foreign. ” According to him, the annual procurement of electronic component base for the industry is 10-12 billion rubles.

        Read on: http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/4605381/v_ssha_11_chelovek_obvinyayutsya_v

        _eksporte_voennyh # ixzz2dq7Mov14
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 3 September 2013 18: 30 New
        0
        Quote: ultra
        No riddles, we make ourselves!

        Unfortunately, only 90nm process technology
        hi
  23. Wedmak
    Wedmak 3 September 2013 12: 57 New
    +2
    Reconfigure ?? Hang over with flowers and learn to sing? Or will he dance before launching the rocket? The Indians, for their part ... can put anyone in the belt.
    Check out the shirt made of gold plates. Xs how much she weighs and how long this dude can walk in her ...
  24. NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa 3 September 2013 13: 04 New
    0
    How many ambitions are in them !!! They now believe that they made this plane, that they are smarter than the Russians, and they will have better flying.
  25. nemec55
    nemec55 3 September 2013 13: 10 New
    +1
    Our version will also have more advanced Indian avionics.

    Aircraft manufacturers, test pilots, and cosmonauts of the Soviet Union are just *** from such words in the sky.
  26. Petergut
    Petergut 3 September 2013 13: 34 New
    +7
    The tanks have already reconfigured. laughing
  27. ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 3 September 2013 13: 54 New
    +1
    For some reason, I have the impression that all the Indian tricks like diversifying the existing weapons with good for the Indians will not end. They will not have a combat-ready army with types of weapons from different countries of production.
  28. Jolla
    Jolla 3 September 2013 13: 58 New
    +2
    No, what's so complicated? they just take the plane and just improve it. it’s so simple, they won’t worsen, but improve.
    And, by the way, in the tradition of making a cockpit not for 2 pilots, but for 50 ty.
  29. Cynic
    Cynic 3 September 2013 17: 38 New
    +1
    So, the improvement of aircraft carriers has already been mastered, now it is up to aviation.
    Hmm, I remembered
    After a joint Soviet -... flight, an ... astronaut is interviewed:
    - Please tell me whether there was a friendly atmosphere and good mutual understanding on board?
    - Oh yes, I holoso understood the Soviet tovalis!
    - Tell me, well ... And so on. Suddenly, one of the journalists pays attention to the hands of an astronaut, and the question is immediately asked:
    - Tell me please, why do you have all blue hands? Was there some kind of accident?
    - No, this is the Lusian Tovalis, all the while I was beaten and screamed at the bows: "Do not touch the appliances, the chunk is uncouth!".

    In general, there will be something like
  30. voliador
    voliador 3 September 2013 21: 25 New
    +1
    I think that our engineers are also working on the problem of radio stealth.
  31. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 3 September 2013 23: 22 New
    0
    QUOTE: India will “rebuild” and “reconfigure” the Russian T-50 ... hi

    GOOD LUCK, but interested in the question, but for HOW MUCH? drinks
  32. Antokha
    Antokha 4 September 2013 00: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    But where Russia takes the modern element base for its avionics is a mystery to me.


    Closed Joint Stock Company “MCST” is developing universal high-performance Russian microprocessors and computer systems.
    The ICSTC R1000 microcircuit (in the design process was designated as the MCST-4R chip system) is the first development of the MCST, which has reached the gigahertz boundary.
    “МЦСТ R1000” contains 4 cores of the 64-bit architecture of SPARC V9, each core decodes and sends for execution up to 2 instructions per cycle.
    VIS1 and VIS2 vector extensions supported
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 4 September 2013 10: 33 New
      0
      Closed Joint Stock Company “MCST” is developing universal high-performance Russian microprocessors and computer systems.


      It's not about processors. And not even about digital circuits at all. We are talking about microcircuits used in avionics (communications, radars, etc.).
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 4 September 2013 17: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Tourist Breakfast
        It's about microcircuits used in avionics (communications, radars, etc.).

        And what?
        Two, three generations behind technological execution lag behind similar foreign ones.
        But, oddly enough to some, the equipment itself is up to standard.