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Tank that really need

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Once again, there is criticism of promising examples of armored vehicles being developed in Russia, in this case, the Armata tank, - and why that’s understandable! It was already so in the USSR, when, contrary to logic and common sense, there were three tank T-64, T-72 and T-80 (not counting the stock of old T-55 and T-62!) Are different from each other. And again I do not want to step on the same rake, that is, to deploy a completely new combat vehicle in conditions when oil revenues are almost completely lacking. But which tank is really needed and will be in demand, this will be discussed now.


Tank that really need
Tank emitter, a frame from the movie "Inhabited Island"


The fact is, what should be a promising Russian tank depends on "against whom we are friends." If against terrorists on the borders of Russia and former "friends" who have become enemies, then this is one tank; against the tanks of NATO countries - the other, on the Far Eastern border - the third. In reality, it is unattainable to have three types of tanks in a poor country. But to create a universal tank, and most importantly - to use it in peacetime is also a problem. "Anti-NATO tank" will be too expensive to operate in peacetime. “Antiterrorist” may be extremely cheap in all respects, but its shortcomings will have to be compensated by something. Well, and so on: the tail stretched out, the nose stuck.

Yes, our modern tanks and infantry fighting vehicles are exported and sold quite well, but which countries are buying them? And how much do we get on this, not to mention the fact that the same China is coming on our heels?

The designers tried to reanimate the old T-55 and create on its basis a combat tank support vehicle (BMPT) with two automatic guns, ATGM complexes, grenade launchers at once, but again nobody buys this car. At the beginning of 2013, Rosoboronexport proposed BMPT as a version of the conversion of obsolete T-55 tanks from Peru. But again, why is it Peru in their Peruvian mountains, where weapon fit to carry on the llamas ?! And besides, why two guns? For such a machine, this is clearly redundant, although, of course, people from distant military equipment should be impressed.

Meanwhile, a much stronger impression, for that matter, must be made at all by a reckless tank, armed with a stock of heavy kinetic rockets with a throwing start: “first up and immediately ahead”! At a certain weight and speed, the impact force of such a rocket will be so great that it will take down the turret of any tank that has it, because the laws of physics ... these are the laws of physics! The most important thing here is not to miss, and even there, neither the Arena system's grenades remotely undermined in the way, nor the interference to the guidance system will play any role: the mass multiplied by the speed will do its job even without explosives.

Well, and if the enemy’s tanks are not foreseen, then a high-explosive warhead missiles can be loaded. And then not a single house, not a single fortified basement will stand before them.

We are now strong in missiles, and we should put them on tanks, and take them precisely by the masses, because "there is no reception against scrap." However, this is one of the directions and, by the way, speaking, it is clearly no worse than all the others, although it is clearly cheaper. But the following article may be a clear breakthrough, although in the field of small-scale production. What is meant? And here is what: “a tank for journalists” and a whole series of cars based on it.

The fact is that the role of information wars on the globe is constantly growing and the number of dead journalists is also increasing in proportion to their growth. It is known that during the “War in the Gulf” special services of the US Army organized trips for journalists to places of recent battles, where they even picked up warm fragments of shells and took photographs against the backdrop of smoking Iraqi tanks. However, later it became known that often everything — and burning tanks, shell fragments, and even uncleared corpses — were specially organized solely for the sake of “impression” - impressions! Well, the journalists, of course, seeing all this with their own eyes, tried with might and main, and their reports acquired both authenticity and rare emotionality. Although in this case it would be more correct to simply say: “Lying as an eyewitness!”

Recall one of the most popular songs of the Great Patriotic War Konstantin Simonov's “The Correspondent Drinking Table”, which tells about the difficult work of war correspondents:

"Where we have been
We were not given tanks,
But we never lost.
On pickup truck
And with one Nagant
The first to enter the city "

Indicative attitude in that era to people in general and to journalists in particular, is not it? But think about it, what would happen if they gave it? If these tanks were equipped with effective means of communication, surveillance devices and would allow journalists no longer on the pickup truck, but on a high-speed car with covered armor to be the first to appear on the battlefield and promptly provide information? How many lives it would save, not to mention how much increased the effectiveness of propaganda based on such truly "fast news"! Such a machine would also be useful as a control center, well, let's say, by the same drones or EW systems.

"You are alive, or dead,
The main thing is that in the room
You managed to pass on the material ... ”

Yes, this is how the military journalists of the Great Patriotic War did their work, but who said that the information that was promptly transferred to the “right place” became less important today than it was important in the past?

Such a “tank” seems to be, first of all, a wheeled-tracked vehicle capable of moving, both on wheels and on tracks, in order to move quickly along the highway and at the same time be able to move after tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. Of course, not in the first rows, but so that the first after them enter the liberated or captured city and transmit the latest information from there. The color is bright yellow so that it would immediately be seen that the “press” is moving and to exclude, accordingly, all types of fire. Well, to protect against random bullets and shell fragments - armor! Surveillance devices should provide the ability to shoot directly out of the car, without leaving it, and even interview! Upstairs, a radar to communicate with the satellite, to conduct live reporting from the scene of the fighting, and of maximum comfort inside, up to the built-in bio-toilet. Weight - allowing you to deliver such a machine to the "hot spots" by plane.

Well, now about why, in addition to the “journalistic needs,” one should make such a tank. And this is an indicator of the country's power, public relations of its technical capabilities and good advertising for the military industrial complex. “This is what we can see!” There will be something to show at international exhibitions, what to talk about in terms of caring for “people of the pen” and people in general, and, of course, the democratic right of the masses for information and the widest public awareness. All these are advantages of information warfare and informational influence on society, and this is precisely this that cannot be underestimated today! In short, a whole bunch of benefits, not to mention the fact that several such machines can be used, first of all, in our country, which will give them the appropriate advertising. Well, and then, you see, others will start buying them. After all, it is not for nothing that it is said that “the bird pecks on the grain, but it can be full”.
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  1. Nayhas
    Nayhas 2 September 2013 08: 19 New
    23
    No, well, not the first of April in the yard ...
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 2 September 2013 08: 31 New
      +8
      Not credible, however.
      1. afire
        afire 2 September 2013 09: 08 New
        +8
        and below is a list of achievements ... for trust?
        The first paragraph and the author’s attitude to what is described immediately manifests itself in a bad light and with elements of anti-statehood, moreover, it is biased.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 2 September 2013 09: 30 New
          19
          The authors of the article obviously smoked something forbidden.
          ""
          The point is what a promising Russian tank should be like depending on who it’s against whom we are friends. ""
          The only correctly posed question in the article.
          Under what concept and for which future wars is created MBT.
          1.global war?
          2.local.
          3 anti-terrorism.
          1. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 14: 52 New
            +6
            The cosmos
            To the author of the article on the drum, what kind of tank is there and where is he needed there, he should blurt out anyway.
            WHAT DO THOUGHTS FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TERMINATOR, and, in addition, about wheeled-caterpillar crap, which has not justified itself once.
            At the end of 60, we had attempts to reincarnate such a mover, refused, what is he talking about?
            Even this is “Under what concept and for which future wars MBT is created.
            1.global war?
            2.local.
            3 antiterrorist. "Upon closer examination, a complete crap, it’s not the tank itself, but the decision to use it in combination with support equipment, tasks, terrain and conditions.
            It would probably make sense, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs (BB), the National Guard, Reservists, whatever you like, write off second-tier vehicles, and give the Army everything new.
            Otherwise, nonsense and a waste of time and money is obtained.
          2. Selevc
            Selevc 2 September 2013 15: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: cosmos111
            3 anti-terrorism.

            And what are anti-terrorism wars? Are you serious?
            1. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon 2 September 2013 20: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Selevc
              And what are anti-terrorism wars? Are you serious?


              There are comrades. Since the 19th century they are also called "Police". Only they are all strange. Here are vivid examples of the "police war" - the Opium Wars, the Crimean War, the bombing of Yugoslavia, the Wars in Iraq and Libya.

              In general, in my opinion, we need a normal, well-protected tank, superior in its effectiveness to Abrams and Chinese Type 99.
              1. Hon
                Hon 2 September 2013 22: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Blackgrifon
                In general, in my opinion, we need a normal, well-protected tank, superior in its effectiveness to Abrams and Chinese Type 99.

                Do we really need a T-90?
                1. Blackgrifon
                  Blackgrifon 3 September 2013 20: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: Hon
                  Do we really need a T-90?


                  The T-90 is, with all its advantages, obsolete BM, which is a deep modification of the T-72.
              2. Selevc
                Selevc 2 September 2013 23: 31 New
                +1
                Do you think the wars you listed are police? Then you need to consider the Russian war against Napoleon as a police one, since Russia fought in the Great Coalition of Reactionary Regimes against Progressive France ... All the wars you listed are Unequal Wars - Coalition wars against one country ... Specifically, in the case of the Crimean War, such a coalition formed and against Russia - why not?

                But what’s most interesting is that in the wars you have listed, it’s clear who is your own and who is your enemy — but what exactly are anti-terrorism wars and who should be called terrorists and who are your own?
                1. Blackgrifon
                  Blackgrifon 3 September 2013 20: 35 New
                  0
                  Quote: Selevc
                  Do you think the wars you listed are police?


                  To begin with, all police wars are conducted solely on a plausible pretext - "defense of trade", "defense of democracy", "defense of the weak side, which was subjected to aggression", etc. And these wars never aim to capture and annex large territories. The Napoleonic Wars were fought for supremacy not over any particular region and not for the sake of the interests of trade, but for global domination - this is completely different. Regarding the Crimean War, one of the main reasons that prompted the British to declare war on Russia in 1853, was the tax policy of the government of Emperor Nicholas II.
            2. Current 72
              Current 72 3 September 2013 00: 58 New
              0
              And what about Assad, doesn’t he fight against terrorist bandits, tanks, and he seems to be doing well.
              1. Selevc
                Selevc 3 September 2013 08: 59 New
                0
                In the case of Assad, it’s very interesting how this war started there - how a huge number of armed mercenaries penetrated the territory of Syria ??? If they freely entered there, Assad did not completely or completely control the entire perimeter of his borders !!!

                Assad’s war is again a war of one country against coalition forces - which in this case are fighting with the hands of mercenaries !!! Although it seems to me that there the question of open external aggression is only a matter of time !!!
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 2 September 2013 09: 57 New
          +9
          Quote: afire
          The first paragraph and the author’s attitude to the described immediately manifests itself in a bad light

          Even more comrades.
          Every time (now it has become the norm) when I see at the end of the article a lot, a lot, a lot about the merits and well-deserved scientific regalia of the authors, I expect nonsense in the article.
          Well, he does not slow down manifested.
          Scoundrel. angry
      2. ksan
        ksan 2 September 2013 20: 08 New
        +1
        xetai9977 (2) AZ Today, 08:31 ↑

        Not credible, however.
        Yes, what trust !!! A man either smoked or drunk something drunk. Tomorrow he will read and be stunned fool
    2. Dimonanet
      Dimonanet 2 September 2013 11: 14 New
      -4
      Armata ... Simplified version of the T-95
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 2 September 2013 20: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Dimonanet
        Armata ... Simplified version of the T-95


        People! And what are the disadvantages, if so? The T-95 was declared a stool and its whim of the NGS Makarov, as a tank with "excessive firepower."
        1. Hon
          Hon 2 September 2013 22: 21 New
          +1
          Taburetkin, an experienced tanker, he knows better
    3. Tartary
      Tartary 2 September 2013 14: 52 New
      +4
      However, he rolled a pretty peasant, but still did not lose his sense of humor ... wassat drinks
    4. Army1
      Army1 2 September 2013 16: 05 New
      +5
      I don’t understand how you can criticize what you didn’t even see and do not really know, I'm talking about the tank - this is the time.
      The author does not like that we have 72, 80, 90, etc. He apparently does not know that 72 can be upgraded to "Vladimir." Well, God be with him. And the idea of ​​having some tanks against terrorists, others against NATO, the third still against China, is probably not considered stupid to say the least, by the way this is not the first time I meet her. T 90 of the latest modifications EXCELLENTly established itself in Dagestan in military operations against terrorists. And I have no doubt that he will show himself worthy against an abrams or a leopard or a type or a challenger or a lecler. -This is 2
      And once again I personally became convinced that all sorts of “titles” of experts, and unfortunately the ranks of retired military personnel, did not correspond to their knowledge in a particular field.
    5. Hon
      Hon 2 September 2013 16: 12 New
      +4
      author kill up wall !!!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 2 September 2013 19: 39 New
        +2
        Antiterrorist tank, democratic shells, yellow - it looks scary ........ and so on ad infinitum.
        It seems they haven’t moved away from the weekend?
    6. avdkrd
      avdkrd 2 September 2013 19: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Nayhas
      No, well, not the first of April in the yard ...

      and smoke that horrible is not necessary ....
    7. Hauptmann emil
      Hauptmann emil 2 September 2013 22: 42 New
      0
      To be honest, the article with a slight hint of analytic. Chel simply decided to "slightly" try himself on the role of a military analyst.
  2. sergey72
    sergey72 2 September 2013 08: 41 New
    13
    Well, Shpakovsky is still that original. Above his "illustrated encyclopedia" called "Tanks are universal and paradoxical" - he neighing half a half, crying half ... Delusions of a graphomaniac .. He’s not published here, but on the “Alternative History”, they like it there ... wassat
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 2 September 2013 10: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: sergey72
      Well, Shpakovsky is still that original.

      Kazan took Astrakhan took Shpaka ??? No Shpaka did not take .....
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 2 September 2013 13: 13 New
        +4
        The main thing is that his works should not be included in the school curriculum, but instead of Petrosyan, it will do.
  3. Akim
    Akim 2 September 2013 08: 51 New
    +7
    Polish "Armata" (PL-01)
    1. Regis
      Regis 2 September 2013 09: 15 New
      17
      The Polish "armata" sounds and looks like a fifth-generation Iranian fighter))
      1. Akim
        Akim 2 September 2013 09: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Regis
        Polish "armata" sounds and looks

        It sounds - because I called her that. And it looks - not bad. The base for it is the Anders platform. Of course, this is just a concept.
        1. Regis
          Regis 2 September 2013 09: 57 New
          +3
          The fact of the matter is that it only looks, for the concept)) Like Lada Hrey))
          I categorically dislike the vertical aiming angles, the gun mask, and the nonexistent gun so far)

          By the way, I almost forgot. Andres is a kind of light platform (I don’t remember exactly), so the mass of this miracle is about 35 tons. That is, there will not be much armor there either.
          1. Akim
            Akim 2 September 2013 11: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Regis
            I categorically do not like

            We’ll find out more precisely today, but at first sight, it’s a drone tower.
            1. Yemelya
              Yemelya 2 September 2013 22: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              but at first sight, this is a drone tower.


              If the tower is uninhabited, why is there only one sunroof and one set of surveillance devices in the roof of the hull?
              1. Akim
                Akim 3 September 2013 01: 07 New
                0
                Quote: Emelya
                why is there only one sunroof and one set of surveillance devices in the roof of the case?

                And who inferred the dogma that the crew should be in front. The commander and gunner can be placed on the module.
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 2 September 2013 11: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          Latform "Anders". Of course this is just a concept.

          Rather, it will not be a tank (PL-01- Polish first?), But an infantry fighting vehicle armed with a 120 mm cannon.
          1. Akim
            Akim 2 September 2013 11: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: cosmos111
            not a tank, but a BMP

            This is not a BMP, but a BBM - i.e. platform (where the mass is from 23-40 tons).
            1. cosmos111
              cosmos111 2 September 2013 11: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: Akim
              and BBM - i.e. platform (where the mass is from 23-40 tons).

              BBM, but booking at this Polish pipelac is at the Puma BMP level. And according to the technical characteristics of the BBM Anders, it is also at the CV-90 BMP level (120).
              1. Akim
                Akim 2 September 2013 12: 26 New
                +2
                Quote: cosmos111
                BMP Puma

                By the way for general development. Puma - this is just the first model, created on the basis of the new armored platform Neue Gepanzerte Plattform (NGP). Tank / MBT on this base will be presented in 2017. Self-propelled guns a little later.
            2. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN 2 September 2013 22: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              This is not a BMP, but a BBM - i.e. platform (where the mass is from 23-40 tons).


              Yesterday I read on this topic, if they do not lie, then:

              Presumably the tank will have a mass of 45-50 tons, the turret of the tank will presumably be uninhabited with the deployment of ammunition in an isolated aft compartment. The development was announced on February 14 this year, for a fairly short period of time, the industrial group Bumar Sp Ltd., along with other companies created the concept of a promising Polish tank. A prototype will be manufactured over the next three years. It should be ready in 2016, this is the time when the customer expects it. The modernization of the armed forces, the cost of which amounts to tens of billions of zlotys, will be completed in 2022. The delivery of the first production car is expected to begin in 2018. - http://www.armouredvehicle.info/?p=1132
              It’s not how the politicians decided to create their own super tank, it is not clear what they are showing off with this plywood prodigy, we will see what happens, want this one, and create not a demonstrator but a real tank, quite another.
        3. svp67
          svp67 3 September 2013 01: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          And it looks - not bad
          Yes, how to say it, especially - the tower’s lure suggests all kinds of "interesting" thoughts ...
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 3 September 2013 01: 16 New
            0
            Serezha, I’m sorry for the next amateurish question, why do they even make the lure in the tower? After all, the shell can be reflected in the case from above, where the armor is thinner, as I understand it.
            1. svp67
              svp67 3 September 2013 01: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              Serezha, I'm sorry for the next amateurish question, why do they even make the lure in the tower
              Well, usually this is done so that when you rotate the tower (cap), something does not break or tear off, like a sticking head "on the camp" of the driver, and if these are not "modules" of additional booking, then of course it would be better to do without " zamana "... And the view of the tower suggests that it nevertheless wakes up" inhabited ".
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 3 September 2013 01: 25 New
                0
                Thanks Seryozha good
                1. svp67
                  svp67 3 September 2013 01: 27 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Thanks Seryozha good
                  Yes, it would be for what. Nonetheless - PLEASE.
          2. Akim
            Akim 3 September 2013 07: 34 New
            0
            Quote: svp67
            especially - the tower’s lure suggests all kinds of "interesting" thoughts ...

            Designers are not suckers. Surely they take into account many circumstances. We judge by an ordinary tank. The BMPT-64 module also has ZAMAN. Maybe someone knows why this is? I do not know. And then we are all remote specialists here.
          3. Akim
            Akim 3 September 2013 07: 44 New
            0
            Quote: svp67
            zaman towers

            I understand why he is. Rather read. This is a stealth tank and angles for distorting radio waves.
      2. svp67
        svp67 2 September 2013 09: 37 New
        +6
        Quote: Regis
        The Polish "armata" sounds and looks like a fifth-generation Iranian fighter))

        It may sound different for you, but the fact that this "look into the future" by Polish tank builders deserves attention at least is not worth mentioning, there is something in it that would not hurt to see on our new tank .. .
        1. tttttt
          tttttt 2 September 2013 09: 50 New
          +3
          It seems that the tank is plastic! fool laughing
          1. svp67
            svp67 2 September 2013 10: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: tttttt
            What an impression that the tank is plastic!
            It may well be, since this is a CONCEPT, that is, a look into the future, to ordinary inhabitants show what their money is being spent and will be spent, it is a pity that we still do not fully understand it, and if the T-50 and new ships show , then the appearance of a promising tank is a mystery behind the “seven seals”. But everything is much simpler. The “Concept” may never come to metal, or it will be embodied, but in a different guise, but the “nation is calm”, the country's security is in good hands and there is reason to “crack” discussing such a “toy”. But here we have .... well, it seems that there’s simply nothing to show, although it’s not so, these “concepts” could have been shown at least a whole company and let the analysts break their brains about what’s true and what’s fantasy engineers ...
            1. mejik
              mejik 2 September 2013 10: 50 New
              +4
              Well, what are you so worried that ours has nothing to show. More than sure that the work is going hard. It’s not for you to assemble a tank from Lego. Just think, the legislators of tank fashion, the Poles, have assembled a cardboard fool. Spit and grind ...
              1. svp67
                svp67 2 September 2013 11: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: mejik
                Spit and grind ...

                This is definitely not necessary. But you need to carefully study all that is and is offered in the world, in order to see “healthy grain” in time to “grow” at home ...
                1. mejik
                  mejik 2 September 2013 13: 40 New
                  +4
                  [quote = svp67] [quote = mejik] "healthy grain" "grow" at home ... [/ quote]
                  Healthy grain is armor for the trunk, I suppose. Sarcasm. I’m a peaceful person, a builder, a military specialty-communications, but even it seems to me that this can be seen in any science-fiction film, such as Star Troops, or Alien. And health does not smell here. Paphos, yes! And cardboard. Another prodigy. Now, Polish! It looks like a beautifully tailored, but unsuitable in everyday wear suit. Haute couture.
                  Someone will agree with me that the external data is good at the Detroit auto show. And for the tank this is the third matter, after attacking and defensive characteristics. Yes escho cross, so all the same, the fourth thing ...
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 2 September 2013 13: 46 New
                    +2
                    Quote: mejik
                    Healthy grain is armor for the trunk, I suppose
                    This "armor for the barrel" has a purely scientific and technical name - "heat shield" and it, although in a somewhat simpler form, is now used on modern tanks, in particular on tanks of the "Soviet tank school" and with its help the problem is solved increasing accuracy of firing at long ranges .... Continue further or you already realized that there are no "trifles" on military equipment ...
                    1. mejik
                      mejik 2 September 2013 14: 00 New
                      +7
                      Quote: svp67
                      "thermal shroud" and it, although somewhat somewhat simpler, is now used on modern tanks,
                      there are no "trifles" on military equipment ...

                      I suppose our cramps of losses are trying to stick the casing to Armata. Not, well, the Poles have it.
                      I respect your attempt to read me an educational program, but I want to note that I’m not at all a daurak, or not at all a dourak, as you please, in order to understand that there is nothing from the cardboard Polish tank school of Nizhny Tagil to take, all the more, as you have noticed, the thermal cover has been used for a long time. Well, perhaps the faceting of a thermal casing, instead of a technological cylindrical one. Well then what design. But I suppose this is because the Poles could not bend the plywood with such a radius of curvature. Or it’s just that there wasn’t enough time, they hastened to show themselves before Armata in order to convict us of plagiarism. Again sarcasm.
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 2 September 2013 14: 12 New
                        +1
                        Quote: mejik
                        I suppose

                        Vitaliy Anatolyevich ...
                        Well, I didn’t understand anything from your comment ...
                        request
                        About "armor for the barrel" - it was more interesting to read.
                      2. bask
                        bask 2 September 2013 17: 48 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        About "armor for the barrel" - it was more interesting to read.

                        Quote: mejik
                        I suppose our convulsions are trying to stick the casing to Armata. Not, well, the Poles eat

                        BMP Marder, upgrade "Close Combat".
                        The main attention is paid to the security of the crew and the landing. From modern threats, RPGs, IEDs.
                        TTX; equivalent characteristics from BMP "Marder".
                        PM "Lance RC" "consisting of 30 mm guns and a 7.62 mm machine gun.
                        Weight - 35 tons, Close Combat modifications.
                        The landing party is 10 man.
                        Length 6.8 meters;
                        Width 3.2 meters;
                        Height 2.95 m
                        Speed ​​up to 75-80 km / h.
                        1500 hp diesel
                        Cruising range 520 C.
                        This is according to our fellow in German yes There is something to adopt.

                        But probably it won’t pass through the Russian chernozem. what
                      3. builder
                        builder 2 September 2013 20: 05 New
                        +2
                        Like a Matilda tank:
                        On a flat hard surface, she behaved excellently, while on the road she quickly failed. In Russia, another specific drawback was revealed: in autumn and spring, dirt that clogged during the day between the bulwark and the hull froze at night when the temperature dropped and deprived the tank of the ability to move.
                    2. mejik
                      mejik 2 September 2013 22: 28 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv

                      Vitaliy Anatolyevich ...
                      Well, I didn’t understand anything from your comment ...
                      .

                      The point is that we have nothing to take from this exhibition of Pszekov's uniqueness. It is also because it is entirely borrowed.
                      Summary-spit and grind. And then the teacher ... Sorry for verbiage ...
                    3. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 2 September 2013 22: 34 New
                      +2
                      Quote: mejik
                      The point is that we have nothing to take from this exhibition of Pszekow Uin.
                      Summary-spit and grind.

                      "Take" something interesting is never shameful.
                      By concepts, the direction of "thought" is clearly visible.

                      Quote: mejik
                      And then the teacher ...

                      Sergey (svp67) tanker with experience ...
                      Me, too, "armor on the trunk" smiled.
                      It seems everyone was correct.
                    4. mejik
                      mejik 2 September 2013 22: 48 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv

                      It seems everyone was correct.

                      I did my best wink and the grotesque situation the experienced tanker did not seem to feel. Well, the evidence, such as trifles does not happen, pleased. Directly on the title CAPTAIN pulls. lol
                    5. bask
                      bask 2 September 2013 22: 50 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      Take "something interesting is never shameful.
                      By concepts, the direction of "thought" is clearly visible.

                      Quote: Mechanic
                      We are trying to make a new, strong, maintainable car.

                      I agree. Studying, not when it’s not too early and not when it’s not too late.
                      In my opinion, Alexei, Zhenya is right. Surprising with something new in the promising MBT will be difficult.
                      But we hope that all the same, Armata will have no analogues in the world.
                    6. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 2 September 2013 22: 59 New
                      +1
                      Quote: bask
                      But we hope that all the same, Armata will have no analogues in the world.

                      Yeah, Andrew.
                      If they create a good, new BASIS, with a giant opportunity for modernization, honor and praise be to them.
            2. svp67
              svp67 2 September 2013 16: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: mejik
              Or it’s just that there wasn’t enough time, in a hurry before Almaty seemed to be caught in plagiarism.
              by the way, a thought is not without health ... A move is also likely and often used.
              Quote: mejik
              Well, perhaps the faceting of a thermal casing, instead of a technological cylindrical one.
              The fact is that you can still “cram” such a casing, such as sensors, in order to obtain more complete data for shooting. But again, this is a concept - that is, a flight of thought, realistically, a significant landing ...
            3. svp67
              svp67 2 September 2013 16: 44 New
              0
              Quote: mejik
              I suppose our in convulsions are trying to stick the casing to Armata
              As far as I know, they now have another "headache" - an exhibition of weapons on the nose ...
            4. lewerlin53rus
              lewerlin53rus 2 September 2013 18: 22 New
              0
              Quote: mejik
              Poles could not bend plywood with such a radius of curvature.
              Yeah, apparently, they took drywall. wink
            5. svp67
              svp67 2 September 2013 18: 24 New
              0
              Quote: mejik
              But I suppose this is because the Poles could not bend the plywood with such a radius of curvature.
              And the fact that they are trying this way, in particular, to solve the problem of protection from blows from the top, did not occur to you?
            6. mejik
              mejik 2 September 2013 22: 39 New
              0
              Quote: svp67
              protection from blows from above, did not occur to you?

              Duc first came to the brain-armor, wrote the same ... and there and from above and from the side ... from accidentally dropped on the trunk of the PTAB. laughing
        2. berimor
          berimor 2 September 2013 15: 59 New
          +2
          I’m not a tanker, I served the entire air defense service (more than 30 years), but I think that this is not just a thermal jacket, but under it there is an active system of controlled thermal protection. But can such a system be able to work reliably in the most difficult conditions of modern combined arms combat ?! With modern technology, you can hang and cram such a thing. But can the field and front-line re-divisions be able to restore all these "toys" in time ?!
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 2 September 2013 17: 31 New
            0
            Quote: berimor
            I’m not a tanker, I served the entire air defense service (more than 30 years), but I think that this is not just a thermal jacket, but under it there is an active system of controlled thermal protection.

            This is a layout, and there is no system under the hood.
          2. bask
            bask 2 September 2013 18: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: berimor
            an active system of controlled thermal protection is placed

            Tank destroyer CV90 (120).
            In 1998, the Swedish company BAE Systems Hagglunds (BAE Systems) introduced the tank fighter tank CV90 (120), created on the basis of a modified chassis BMP CV90. The turret from the Swedish tank destroyer Ikv-91, armed with a 120 mm 120 mm L50 gun, manufactured by the Swiss company RUAG Land Systems. This gun was developed by a Swiss company specifically for the installation of lightweight tracked chassis. In order to reduce the return it is equipped with a muzzle brake. To increase accuracy, the gun barrel is placed in a special heat-insulating casing.

            SUSHA, the promising light tank MCS XM1202 was developed as part of the Future Combat System program. Until July 2009, the Future Combat System (FCS). Is now suspended.
            The XM360 gun has a modular scheme, which increases maintainability, in the future, increasing the caliber by replacing some modules. Most of the gun parts are made of high-strength grades of steel, titanium and composite materials (a composite tape is welded onto a metal billet). The barrel cover is also made of composite materials. XM360 weighs 1.8 tons, versus 3.02 tons, M256, installed on MBT ,, Abrams ,,.
    2. bask
      bask 2 September 2013 17: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      in time to see the "healthy grain" to "grow" at home ...

      Good evening. hi
      The modular tracked platform ,, Anders ,, is nothing new and breakthrough. The Poles have collected all the best that was developed by Western manufacturers of armored vehicles.
      Still in the early 90s, it was introduced on the Austrian-Spanish-ASCOD, SV-90, on Marder versions.
      ASCOD modular tracked platform includes: light tank LT105, chassis for air defense systems, ZSU, 81-mm or 120-mm self-propelled mortar AMC120, BREM, BRM, control and communication machine, ambulance.

      Marder - a tank weighing 32 tons. The German Marder infantry fighting vehicle, on which a new turret with a 105-mm cannon was installed. Strengthened booking.
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 September 2013 17: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: bask
        Modular tracked platform ,, Anders ,, not something new and breakthrough. The Poles have collected all the best, h
        But for this you need to choose it from the many available options. Also a job.
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 2 September 2013 18: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Choose from the many options available. Also a job.

          And it turns out stupid copying. Nothing new. You cannot copy design experience. It is produced by one’s own head and hands. By trial and error. And so this is the level of the mosfilm.
      2. Yemelya
        Yemelya 2 September 2013 21: 55 New
        +2
        The idea was stolen, bastards
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 22: 00 New
          +1
          This is if I’m not mistaken BT-SV “Turtle"? It seems very similar.
        2. bask
          bask 2 September 2013 22: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          I’m not mistaken BT-SV “Turtle"? It seems very similar.

          Quote: Emelya
          The idea was stolen, bastards

          Yemelya good Exactly, they say, everything has already been invented before us.
          Make a medium tank out of a light tank.
          The coincidence of ideas and execution, but at a new technological level.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 02 New
            +5
            Hi Andrey, they say there’s no soul in the tank, look what the Russian tank does with people laughing
          2. bask
            bask 2 September 2013 23: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: Alex 241
            Hi Andrey, they say there’s no soul in the tank, look that the Russian tank has

            Good evening Sasha. Excellent photo good
            Our tanks, even from *****, MAKE PEOPLE !!! drinks
            Yes, even with a Russian accordion. soldier
            Do you really stop those !!!!
          3. Alex 241
            Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 10 New
            +1
            Well, then, normal guys, they only reappeared, probably they were sitting close to the exhaust laughing drinks
          4. bask
            bask 2 September 2013 23: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Alex 241
            probably sitting close to the exhaust

            Everything is clear, but what African songs they sang to harmonica laughing
            They say exactly where the Russians appear, everyone begins to speak Russian.
          5. Alex 241
            Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 25 New
            +2
            Andryukh I think Three tankers sang, not otherwise laughing
          6. igor67
            igor67 2 September 2013 23: 30 New
            +2
            Sasha, they probably trained in Kharkov laughing
          7. Apollo
            Apollo 2 September 2013 23: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: igor67
            they probably trained in Kharkov


            and what does this have to do with the topic ?! winked
          8. igor67
            igor67 2 September 2013 23: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Apollon
            Quote: igor67
            they probably trained in Kharkov


            and what does this have to do with the topic ?! winked

            they’re sitting on the tank, cadets thought belay
  4. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 2 September 2013 23: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: Alex 241
    look what a Russian tank does to people

    Yeah, Sanya, test photo. How is it without Soul that ...
    laughing
  5. Yemelya
    Yemelya 3 September 2013 00: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Alex 241
    look what a Russian tank does to people


    This is Chinese Type 62
  • Suhov
    Suhov 2 September 2013 14: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: tttttt
    It seems that the tank is plastic!

    I wonder what it works on batteries or accumulators?
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 2 September 2013 18: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: tttttt
    It seems that the tank is plastic!

    T-s-s-s! This is the most important chip and military secret! It is really plastic ...
  • AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 2 September 2013 20: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: tttttt
    It seems that the tank is plastic!

    Rather, plywood! wink
  • Regis
    Regis 2 September 2013 10: 20 New
    +1
    So far, this is the same look into the future as the yellow emitter tank in the picture from the article.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 2 September 2013 12: 07 New
    +1
    This is a "look into the past." Despite the loud statements about the "renaissance of medium tanks" they are dying out as a species.
    1. Genry
      Genry 2 September 2013 12: 45 New
      +1
      In your opinion, then BMD, armored personnel carriers, amphibious and wheeled tanks die out.
      The main tank is the medium tank (maneuverable battle tank), simply, thanks to technological progress, it added weight. In addition, he needs a heavy tank for an assault in urban conditions.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 2 September 2013 09: 42 New
    +3
    Interesting! The tower’s concept is very similar to the German one, how will it get through the mud with such side protection? And it looks very futuristic
    1. mejik
      mejik 2 September 2013 10: 45 New
      +4
      in the museum not to stand in the woods to fight, let the same protection be. It seems to me the Poles want to capture France. It will reach the lamb on the autobahn. Well, there are no Susanins.
  • duke
    duke 2 September 2013 13: 54 New
    +1
    cool design, did not expect from the Poles, without too much hype, made a beautiful car, I would like to know the performance characteristics ...
    1. Hon
      Hon 2 September 2013 16: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: duke
      cool design, did not expect from the Poles, without too much hype, made a beautiful car, I would like to know the performance characteristics ...

      Yes, any design can be slept. The tank is clearly pachyderm. What kind of armor? Even if ceramic, with such a thickness, the mass should exceed 70 tons. Truckee is almost invisible. How does he ride? Moats, Avragi, swamps, etc. patency like a Ferrari probably.
      1. Hon
        Hon 2 September 2013 16: 56 New
        +1
        ditches .............................
      2. svp67
        svp67 2 September 2013 16: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Hon
        The tank is clearly pachyderm. What kind of armor? Even if ceramics, with such a thickness, the mass should exceed tons beyond 70. Truckee is almost invisible. How does he ride
        Not only that, with this arrangement, it is clearly with the FRONT MTO ...
  • Hon
    Hon 2 September 2013 16: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Polish "Armata" (PL-01)

    Of papier mache blinded?
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 2 September 2013 18: 13 New
    +1
    It's time for the Poles to tie up with Tanki Online laughing
  • densh
    densh 2 September 2013 21: 40 New
    0
    Cool, even Star Wars, at least in Warhammer. Again, the amers slept, an ally about ,, Abrams, ”forgot. lol
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 2 September 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    "The bright yellow journalistic tank." Something completely demolished the tower.
  • 311ove
    311ove 2 September 2013 09: 03 New
    +1
    Then it’s even safer for each correspondent on a drone .... and you’ll look into the troops wink Until April, it’s far like wassat
  • ed65b
    ed65b 2 September 2013 09: 17 New
    +1
    The original thought of the author.
  • svp67
    svp67 2 September 2013 09: 33 New
    +1
    If against terrorists on the borders of Russia and former "friends" who became enemies, then this is one tank; against tanks of NATO countries - another, on the Far Eastern border - the third. It’s really unattainable to have three types of tanks in a poor country
    It seems like you can start arguing ... And who said that it’s impossible to create some kind of universal base chassis on which, if necessary, to install the modules we need at that moment - armaments, reservations, equipment ... Now if we can make such a universal " chassis "and the corresponding" modules "can be woken up and not bother - we really wake up to have one type of tank, but with different capabilities ...
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 14: 59 New
      +3
      Once I remember one “military genius” Tukhachevsky also suffered from the idea of ​​universalization-weapons, and tanks and planes and infantry, still satellites and complete futurism, but the trouble is, they did not appreciate his “genius” in futurism, but they demolished bad head.
      And the result of futurism was the lack in the troops of the necessary tools, both anti-aircraft and anti-aircraft guns.
      So here, those who pursue the devil are the same, but the troops are still the same, the states of the time of the king of peas
      , adjusted for a fool-Serdyuk, so what are we preparing for?
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 2 September 2013 09: 47 New
    +9
    BOMZH - journalist’s fighting vehicle.
  • GDP
    GDP 2 September 2013 09: 50 New
    +2
    The tank is painted in bright yellow color so that it is not shot at :) Pat has become ... Isn’t it easier just to attach a camera to the tower on a regular battle tank ...
    I remembered how the Americans demanded that we draw red circles, it seems on missile systems, so that it would be easier to take into account ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 September 2013 11: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: GDP
      The tank is painted in bright yellow so that it is not fired at :)

      Like seeing such a tank, I don’t feel like smiling anymore ..



  • _KM_
    _KM_ 2 September 2013 10: 44 New
    +7
    Strange article. I’m still thinking about what she ... It seems about nothing.
  • AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 2 September 2013 10: 52 New
    +2
    The article is incomprehensible. Sam saw a combat training comparison of one of the latest versions of the T-64, T-80 and T-72. There was nothing like this in the world. Moreover, the development of engines based on the classic diesel engine, gas turbine engine and 5TDF was promising. This was precisely the reason for the existence of 3 species for almost 20 years. So, for example, it frustrates me that there is no MBT with a gas turbine engine.
    Another thing is that some products, for example, with a gas turbine engine or 5TDF, had to be created in order to test new systems, platforms, etc., and to produce the simplest one. As a result, it turned out with t-72. Although the experience of the T-80 is simply not forgotten.
    And then the author mentions the T-54 (55) and the T-62. Nothing wrong. This is a car with conservation. This is the 2 echelon, so to speak. Our own one fresh regiment T-34-85 or IS-8 (both were almost in service before 93) can dramatically change the situation. Moreover, cars of previous generations are actually consumables.
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 September 2013 11: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: AK-74-1
      So, for example, it frustrates me that there is no MBT with a gas turbine engine.

      But T80 and Abrams will not reassure you?
  • Armata
    Armata 2 September 2013 11: 20 New
    +9
    The article is crazy nonsense. negative fool
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 September 2013 11: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Mechanic
      Article ravings of a madman
      Why is it so categorical, the person “got sick”, so he decided to speak out, but somewhat messy, and this says that he didn’t think everything through, but nevertheless the question “What tank do we need?” I personally exist, with great impatience I look forward to hearing from UVZ and personally from you in particular ...
      1. Hon
        Hon 2 September 2013 16: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Why is it so categorical, the person “got sick”, so he decided to speak out, but somewhat messy, and this says that he didn’t think everything through, but nevertheless the question “What tank do we need?” I personally exist, with great impatience I look forward to hearing from UVZ and personally from you in particular ...

        Yes, the article is utter nonsense! What are kinetic missiles with a throw start? !!! In Amer’s films for the underdeveloped, this happens. Information for the author BMPT was created on the basis of 72 and not T-55. Probably not fate to look at the UVZ website.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 2 September 2013 17: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Hon
          Probably not fate to look at the UVZ website.

          Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer!
        2. svp67
          svp67 2 September 2013 17: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Hon
          Yes, the article is utter nonsense! What are kinetic missiles with a throw start? !!! In Amer’s films for the underdeveloped, this happens. Information for the author BMPT was created on the basis of 72 and not T-55. Probably not fate to look at the UVZ website.

          Well, judging by the regalia
          The author is Vyacheslav Shpakovsky, Candidate of Historical Sciences, Associate Professor of Penza State University, author of 35 books in the USSR, Russia, England and Germany, creator and editor of the magazine TANKOMASTER, which has become an appendix to the Technique-Youth
          honored man ...
          Therefore, he appeals not only with materials from UVZ, but also from other developers ... and most likely he had in mind BTR-T Omsk
          1. Hon
            Hon 2 September 2013 18: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            honored man ...
            Therefore, he appeals not only with materials from UVZ, but also from other developers ... and most likely he had in mind BTR-T Omsk

            I’ll buy such regalia in the subway. Is he a developer or a tanker?
            The author appeals only with his imagination.
            QUOTE
            "The designers tried to reanimate the old T-55 and create on its basis a tank support combat vehicle (BMPT) with two automatic guns, ATGM complexes, and rocket launchers at once"
            And where did you see the APC?
            About journalistic so this is a masterpiece wassat
            1. svp67
              svp67 2 September 2013 18: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Hon
              And where did you see the APC?
              Well, as they say in Odessa - I apologize wildly ... hi
          2. Kars
            Kars 2 September 2013 18: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            honored man ...

            He wrote a rather interesting book - but his views are peculiar. But it’s difficult for him to refuse to know the mat parts.
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 2 September 2013 18: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              I wrote a rather interesting book-

              Duc for only one TANKOMASTER many thanks to him.
              But here, in the article, he simply “burned” ...
              I wonder where it is located?
              1. svp67
                svp67 2 September 2013 18: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: Aleks tv
                I wonder where it is located?
                Strange, usually a link is given, but here ... as I wrote specifically for this site.
              2. Hon
                Hon 2 September 2013 18: 37 New
                +1
                I read his article about PP STEN here. Everything seems to be nothing, only the statement that one of the reasons for Hitler’s non-aggression against Britain is the fact that the Britons have their own production of submachine guns. To put it mildly, a strange conclusion.
              3. sergey72
                sergey72 2 September 2013 18: 54 New
                +3
                Sorry to interfere in your discussion, but this opus is from the "... pretty interesting book ..." (in Kars’s post) chapter "Conclusion".
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 2 September 2013 19: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: sergey72
                  chapter "Conclusion".

                  Kabzdets ...
                  laughing

                  Thank you, Sergey, for the info.
                  1. sergey72
                    sergey72 2 September 2013 19: 16 New
                    +1
                    Yes, it’s not necessary, contact ... By the way, it is posted on the Internet, where I do not remember, but I saw it for sure.
          3. Yemelya
            Yemelya 2 September 2013 22: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            ... and most likely he meant BTR-T Omsk


            In the picture BMO-T based on the T-72.

            BTR-T:

    2. Tersky
      Tersky 2 September 2013 12: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Mechanic
      The article is crazy nonsense.

      Zhenya, hello missing! I am interested in afffftar at least once in a tank? Or, as the saying goes, “What we need to build a house, we will draw, we will live!”
      1. Armata
        Armata 2 September 2013 13: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        I personally exist, with great impatience I look forward to hearing from UVZ and personally from you in particular ...
        Personally, I can say that I do not indulge in illusions. I can say that nothing breakthrough in tank building is worth the wait. We are trying to make a new, strong, maintainable car. The main task is to lay in it the potential for modernization for at least another 10 years.
        Hello Victor. Duck, as always, with our imagination is good. And disappeared before the 25 exhibition. We plow like wedding horses (head in flowers, and back in soap)
        1. svp67
          svp67 2 September 2013 14: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Mechanic
          Personally, I can say that I do not indulge in illusions.
          Thanks for the answer. We definitely don’t need any illusions - we need a tank, and what kind of “breakthrough” or “dead-end” one is there, you give, and we will see ... maybe we’ll fix it what you look and we will be again "ahead of the rest ..."
  • antonio
    antonio 2 September 2013 11: 41 New
    +1
    The article is of course extravagant! And since when has Russia become a poor country? With the largest hydrocarbon exports in the world?
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 2 September 2013 11: 54 New
    +3
    Eat pound fat then what
    Against NATO and China Armata
    Against the backdrop of kurgan and boomerang, why would you invent a bicycle?
    And hedgehog pull urcaines on the globe
  • TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 2 September 2013 12: 04 New
    +2
    funny article. "+" for a good mood.
  • RBLip
    RBLip 2 September 2013 12: 05 New
    0
    Quote: AK-74-1
    Nashichi one fresh regiment T-34-85 or IS-8 (both almost to 93 were in service) can dramatically change the situation. Moreover, cars of previous generations are actually consumables.

    and the people behind the leverage? how much tanker do you need to learn? How much does it cost? tanks - glands, people are the main material.
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 15: 03 New
      +3
      And what is easier-T34-85 or Armata, in a major conflict, everything new and the first line will burn up in the moment, so to learn on t34-85, t55, t62, simpler, not to mention maintainability?
      Tanks, of course, glands, people are the main thing, that’s what the Kremlin commanders would understand ....
      1. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 18: 38 New
        +2
        You always expect that in response to the opinion expressed, they will answer, the BIGGEST minus, and silence, the position of a wimp and a generally stupid person.
        I can defend my position, why do I think so, but such quiet people, what are they counting on?
  • Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 2 September 2013 12: 15 New
    +1
    I imagined what a remote interview with a tank would look like.

    Like, such a tank is standing in front of a rebel, lowering a giant microphone like a cannon, and it’s impossible to connect the rebels, having crap one’s pants with fear.))))))
  • Kostya77
    Kostya77 2 September 2013 12: 23 New
    0
    ... The designers tried to reanimate the old T-55 and create on its basis a tank support combat vehicle (BMPT) ... that the author clearly missed this statement
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 2 September 2013 12: 29 New
    15
    I did not understand anything from the article ...
    About the fact that the author knows about the presence of T-64, T-72 and T-80 - this is understandable.
    About the fact that he knows on what basis BMPT is made - the same is clear, his right to think his own way.
    About the fact that we are "poor" - it happened and worse.
    About the fact that he knows which tank the aircraft needs?
    Is he special in missile tanks with a "high explosive" warhead and "kinetic" missiles?
    Oh well. It was precisely the “kinetic rocket” that alerted ...
    The poor "crowbar", as soon as it was not called, and here they also want to "disperse" the rocket to the speed of the tower collapse.

    But it turns out that everything written above is just a cover.
    The main goal is a story about the MOST REQUIRED WEAPON - THE JOURNALISTIC TANK.
    And I marveled at my military illiteracy ...
    I've got ashamed.
    It turns out everything on the battlefield is decided by the journalist.
    - He should be the first to break into the captured city on the spoke yellow "journalist" tank (you can’t kill his opponent, convention).
    - He boldly takes photographs of enemy objects through observation devices, takes an interview without leaving the tank and transmits the latest operational information to the headquarters, saving the lives of soldiers (to feed reconnaissance is cooler),
    - He manages the UAV from his tank (there are finally commanders when the journalist himself is in the tank). His car is generally an "EW center."
    - He immediately places this information in the newspaper, showing everyone what we are “the fastest” (tries all the concepts of secrecy of the operational-tactical situation).

    In short:
    All that used to be bullshit, yesterday. The control of the soldiers must be given to the journalist, all branches and types of troops should be abolished. A journalist needs to create a special journalistic tank on a wheeled-tracked track with a dry closet. Do I quote everything correctly?

    And also, it turns out, the journalistic tank will raise the image of a country with such a technique and ... it’s even possible to earn by selling such a popular car to other countries !!!
    Parade to all opponents, give up, Martians.
    ...................

    Am I beguiling anything? Did you understand everything correctly?
    Then it is much cooler than the coolest eggs.

    ps Bravo for the highest humor, KVN is resting.
    1. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 2 September 2013 12: 37 New
      +3
      This is what, bloggers will ask such tanks for an open sale, saying "we are bloggers, the salt of mankind, we have every right to have a tank that you can instantly post to Facebook. Tweet to a friend that he wouldn’t go around the corner ... well, youtube to post a new vidyuha. Do not forget you need to stick the same instagram. Call it iTank. "
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 September 2013 12: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Oh well. It was precisely the “kinetic rocket” that alerted ...

      There are such. For example, CKEM (Compact Kinetic Energy Missile) 6 sound speeds are not jokes.

      http://rnd.cnews.ru/news/top/index_science.shtml?2007/02/21/236994
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 2 September 2013 13: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        There are such. For example, CKEM (Compact Kinetic Energy Missile) 6 sound speeds are not jokes.

        Yes, there is.
        These are serious developments.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 2 September 2013 13: 05 New
          +7
          But in general, Vyacheslav Shpakovsky thinks narrowly, not in a journalistic way.
          Here is what they need:
          1. svp67
            svp67 2 September 2013 15: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Here is what they need:
            Not enough and why in the smudges, WHO on this "vessel" the boatswain ... and the old man? And what is this pipe sticking out from below? Of latrine, or what? And more of them are needed, more
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 2 September 2013 17: 08 New
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              And more of them are needed, more

              Yes Yes.
              Each newspaper and magazine has its own flying battleship!
              Give the fight against ossification!
              On the sides in capital letters write the name of the periodical, for example: "Women's Passion" - it sounds proud and modern!
              wink

              But still, what kind of weed is Shpakovsky smoking?
              I want to dream up the same thing.
              yes
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 September 2013 13: 24 New
          +1
          Only Americans are not in a hurry with them, considering at the moment redundant. LOSATs of 12 installations riveted, and calmed down.
  • Chumich
    Chumich 2 September 2013 12: 46 New
    +1
    BMPT, I think the thought is in the right direction, if only because there is a large number of T-55s that need to be put somewhere. Let BMPT raises questions, this is the search for the right solution.
    And as for the article, it’s hard to say anything about it, they said it right above, today is not April 1st ... Why is it not clear here
    1. Hon
      Hon 2 September 2013 16: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Chumich
      BMPT, I think the thought is in the right direction, if only because there is a large number of T-55s that need to be put somewhere. Let BMPT raises questions, this is the search for the right solution.

      BMPT on the basis of the T-72 was created, it was assumed that the old 72s will be redesigned, and in their place more modern tanks. But the car is still controversial, let the professionals decide whether they need it or not, I hope they will make the right decision.
      1. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 18: 50 New
        +1
        They called the BMPT, for me it would be better if the BMPP was to support the infantry, which in turn does not interfere with tank support equally.
        For flamethrowers created a car, such as in the photo a little higher?
        They created and successfully used, in fact, a heavy armored personnel carrier based on 72, why is it the same for infantry in heavy brigades and BMP-Ts or is it better not to contain BMP-Ps there?
        Professionals ... just the question, in the Union, they were testing a new staff, methods and methods of application on any military unit, and now, mobile law, the staff of the king of peas will be taken, or by digging a little into his nose he will invent something that is not entirely digestible and manageable, like ROOP ... and everything on this all will calm down.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 2 September 2013 19: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          For flamethrowers created a car, such as in the photo a little higher?
          They created and successfully used, in fact, a heavy armored personnel carrier based on 72, why is it the same for infantry in heavy brigades and BMP-Ts or is it better not to contain BMP-Ps there?

          Good question, just tired of asking him already.
          The wall is blank.

          Everyone is waiting for the Armata line.
          Just what will we “work on” until this novie is put into the troops in the required volumes?
          That's right, but that, on what before.
          1. bask
            bask 2 September 2013 19: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Good question, just tired of asking him already.

            Exactly Alexey. From the number of our comments, nothing changes in the MO. Reinforced concrete wall. am
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Everyone is waiting for the Armata line.

            It is a pity only, the bodies go to cast iron, T-55,62,72,80. Excellent quality, Soviet armor. At the price of scrap metal.
            The Israelis understand, they thought of the BTR-T from the Soviet T-55 to do.
            But the Arabs (Jordanians), their Centurions, are not in a hurry to send them to the re-party.
            A lean economical OWNER, not in the country. Some liberalists and embezzlers *****.
            BTR-T "Thames" ".
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 2 September 2013 19: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: bask
              From the number of our comments, nothing changes in the MO.

              Greetings to Andrew.
              And not only in comments ...
              Chemists are already openly escorting Pinocchio to BMO-T, using them as BMP-T.
              To live, then, as you know, I want a little.
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 2 September 2013 19: 37 New
                +2
                The Hindus also caught fire ...

                quote:
                ...India
                Heavy armored personnel carrier TBHA
                In India, which also has a large number of Soviet-built T-55 tanks, they also decided to turn to the experience of creating heavy armored personnel carriers. Not without the influence of Israel, they also took the good old T-55 tank, removed the tower, welded the “saloon” from thick multi-layer armor onto the hull, and it was done.
                I must say, the "salon" is equipped comfortably, you can stand at full height, covered with carpet.
                So it turned out the Indian heavy armored personnel carrier TBHA - T-55 Based Heavy APC (APC - armored personnel carrier - an armored personnel carrier in our opinion) ...


                Hindus are not bored, take a look at the photo:
                1. svp67
                  svp67 2 September 2013 19: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  With the Hindus not with a bunch

                  Now it’s clear why their “Ajun” doesn’t come out, well, they thought of building up their frontal armor, already “+”, but the rest is ... False board, well, at least rubber .. Where are the corners? Well, the sides are straight, so make loopholes, well, it’s not difficult, I don’t think there’s thick armor, the T55 suspension will not pull much, and the exit is from behind, on top of the MTO. Mortar "Clouds" are rigidly fixed, although it would be better if they were placed on some kind of carriage, you never have to put smoke in which direction ... And is there a view from the inside?
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 2 September 2013 20: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    And is there a view from the inside?

                    Nope, Sergey.
                    And the barn is big: 11 + 2 crew.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 2 September 2013 20: 09 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      And the barn is big: 11 + 2 crew.
                      Well for the infantry squad. Interesting place for prayer is provided in it? The Jordanian looks better even though they don’t have an Indian ambassador ...
                      1. bask
                        bask 2 September 2013 22: 13 New
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        . Interesting place for prayer in it

                        There are probably.
                        The first version of the BTR-T in Jordanian. ,, TEMSAH ,, 1

                        Our delegation went camping and got acquainted that the Jordanians had stolen.
                2. bask
                  bask 2 September 2013 21: 49 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  The Hindus also caught fire ...

                  We sit with a friend cognac (already finished) as a tanker in Hungary served 84-86g. He said everything is good, our tanks are the most pi **** e (excellent). soldier
                  Well, the Indians. The whole structure is like a cart on an elephant. wassat

                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  growth, inside trimmed with carpet.

                  This is the same for Hindus, which would burn better yes
                  Ah, well done. Throwing it into the tank shell scrap is at least criminal negligence.
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 2 September 2013 22: 00 New
                    +1
                    Quote: bask
                    We sit with a friend cognac drink (already finished) tanker

                    Bon appetit, Andrey!

                    Soon all the armor in the trash will be, The main holiday on the nose ...
                    Not wait long.

                    drinks
                    1. bask
                      bask 2 September 2013 23: 00 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv

                      Soon all the armor in the trash will be, The main holiday on the nose ...
                      Not wait long.

                      Thanks, I already spent all.
                      And what kind of holiday is Aleksey? If it’s not a secret. (It sounds like something pessimistic).
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 2 September 2013 23: 05 New
                        +1
                        Quote: bask
                        sounds pessimistic

                        Nooooooooo ...
                        Very optimistic.
                        yes
                        Andrew, Day of the Tankman on the nose, 8-go!
                        Second Sunday of September!

                        We have already had two ... colleagues "trainings" with our colleagues, we are preparing, so to speak.
                        wink
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 07 New
                        +1
                        Oh Leh, I’ll go to congratulate Dad, liver cranks! laughing
                      3. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 2 September 2013 23: 17 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        I’ll go to congratulate Dad, liver cranks!

                        yes
                        Sanya, there is such a difficult word - it is NECESSARY. Nowhere to go liver ...
                        laughing
                    2. bask
                      bask 2 September 2013 23: 32 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      Tankman Day on the nose, 8th!

                      EXACTLY good sclerosis. repeat
                      Here reptile Valerian (drugan) did not even say a word.
                      And, I think that it loads me on the nature of 8 to leave.
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      x Lech, I’ll go to congratulate Dad, liver cranks!

                      After the holiday, only kefir. laughing
                    3. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 2 September 2013 23: 36 New
                      +2
                      Quote: bask
                      And, I think that it loads me on the nature of 8 to leave.

                      laughing
                      Andrey, you got ...
                      lol drinks
                    4. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 36 New
                      +2
                      Andryukh, my super task is just to survive laughing
                    5. bask
                      bask 2 September 2013 23: 48 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Andryukh, my super task is just to survive

                      I also have Sasha. Drugan said BAB, we don’t take it, otherwise we can lose it. love
                      And the songs, though with a guitar porem, on the Volga. fellow
                    6. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 53 New
                      +2
                      Andrei, my friend says: the stage when pulling on women should be crushed with a glass poured to the brim. laughing I'm in the country under a barbecue.
                    7. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 2 September 2013 23: 57 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      a glass poured to the brim.

                      And so 3mm from the edge of the glass!
                      ... above the edge ...
                      yes
                    8. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 59 New
                      +1
                      Lesh I call it: at the second risk laughing
                    9. bask
                      bask 3 September 2013 00: 02 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      barbecue cottage.

                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      And so 3mm from the edge of the glass!

                      I cut everything down. It was nice to talk. good Good night everybody.
                    10. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 3 September 2013 00: 03 New
                      +1
                      Bye Andrew. See you soldier
                    11. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 3 September 2013 00: 05 New
                      0
                      Quote: bask
                      It was nice to talk.

                      good
  • densh
    densh 2 September 2013 22: 03 New
    +1
    Can the crew choose the color of the carpet? And the other question is, is the Indian carpet very combustible or not?
  • vladkavkaz
    vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 19: 31 New
    +3
    Do you know such a NGBTU, Mr. Shevchenko?
    Are you still surprised that everything is like this, through, hell knows what?
    I am not at all surprised.

    BABLO, here is the Idol to which such generals serve.
    They would offer a LARGE and more, you see, and the infantry would have a cover in the form of heavy armored personnel carriers and support vehicles on a tank base.
    You look, and the states would change, as officers with military experience need it, and not so much as it is beneficial to the parade parade of the Arbat semi-colonels and degenerate generals.
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 September 2013 19: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: vladkavkaz
      You are familiar with such a NGBTU, Mr Shevchenko
      Well, the names of the "heroes" already sound ...
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 2 September 2013 19: 49 New
        +3
        And here is the face, is he?
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 21: 34 New
          +2
          We did not sag yet, but he, for sure.
      2. bask
        bask 2 September 2013 23: 57 New
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Well, the names of the "heroes" already sound ...

        Maybe it will reach them.
        In such a position, it’s just to be an official, you won’t break anything.
        You have to be a FAN, then maybe everything will move.
        Quote: sergey72
        And here is the face, is he?

        Just an official ...
  • svp67
    svp67 2 September 2013 19: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: bask
    From the number of our comments, nothing changes in the MO.
    Yes, how to say, before there was an order what was possible and who wasn’t allowed in net .. as far as I know, it has already been canceled. Well, not for nothing ...
  • Petergut
    Petergut 2 September 2013 12: 51 New
    +3
    Journalistic tank is strong. laughing

    affffor write
  • evil hamster
    evil hamster 2 September 2013 13: 07 New
    +1
    Uncle definitely knows a lot about "substances", and not theoretically, but in practice.
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 2 September 2013 13: 11 New
    +2
    I can give respected Mr. Vyacheslav Shpakovsky an even more progressive idea: install replaceable boosters on the tank and make an intercontinental combat module that can not only operate on hypersound, but also carry tactical laser weapons!
  • Des10
    Des10 2 September 2013 13: 34 New
    +1
    Such an article should not have been skipped. Inconsistency between the regalia of the author and the article. Chatterbox.
  • Hort
    Hort 2 September 2013 13: 44 New
    +3
    journalist tank .... instead of a gun - a huge camera, to EVERYTHING !! take off
  • p-159
    p-159 2 September 2013 13: 45 New
    -2
    what a whore she wrote
  • Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 2 September 2013 13: 46 New
    +2
    The author apparently has a lot of regalia and posts, but!
  • Suhov
    Suhov 2 September 2013 13: 56 New
    +5
    The most important thing here is not to miss, and even there, neither the Arena system’s remotely blown up on the way of it, nor interference with the guidance system will play any role: mass times speed, will do his job even without explosives.

    mass multiplied square speeds .
    That's right.
    ... because the laws of physics ... these are the laws of physics!

    laughing
  • maklaut007
    maklaut007 2 September 2013 14: 41 New
    +2
    Urgent order sets of cardboard yellow tanks (glue it myself), for our paper fighters.)))
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 2 September 2013 15: 49 New
    +2
    "Such a" tank "seems, first of all, a wheeled-tracked vehicle ...."
    For some reason, the author did not mention wings.
  • sergunec
    sergunec 2 September 2013 15: 58 New
    +1
    I am very glad that no one took this hundred seriously!
  • nikcris
    nikcris 2 September 2013 16: 35 New
    +1
    Yes, he pinned himself on Simonov’s song about how "the first photographers (journalists) to break into the cities in Willis.
    Like children, by golly bully
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 2 September 2013 18: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: sergey72
    Well, Shpakovsky is still that original. Above his "illustrated encyclopedia" called "Tanks are universal and paradoxical" - he neighing half a half, crying half ... Delusions of a graphomaniac .. He’s not published here, but on the “Alternative History”, they like it there ... wassat

    In my opinion, the purpose of tanks for various types of situations can only be determined by the crew that has visited these situations, and not some kind of horseradish from the mountain who wanted to philosophize on the topic of tanks!
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 2 September 2013 18: 49 New
    +4
    By the way, at the expense of journalists, it’s necessary to crush them, in most cases of war, remember the first Chechen one, according to journalists, our soldiers were either occupiers or pissed, cowardly children, and terrorists were defenders of the faith and homeland, and how many reconnaissance groups died because that the helicopters were under journalists and how many such cases of journalist's anti-denunciation!
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 2 September 2013 19: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      according to journalists

      good
      Sergey, I once saw a technician paint a mug for a journalist for a picture of a Crocodile before departure.
      It was a beautiful picture ...
      yes
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 September 2013 20: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Sergey, I once saw a technician paint a munch on a journalist for a shot
        So you need to know where you came and honor traditions ...
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 2 September 2013 20: 23 New
          +2
          Lesh, Sergei, welcome, in aviation it’s strict, you can easily “snatch” it, especially for the question: Is this your last flight?
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 2 September 2013 20: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            Is this your last flight?

            Pah-pah ...

            Greetings, Sasha.
          2. svp67
            svp67 2 September 2013 20: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Alex 241
            Lesh, Sergei, welcome, in aviation it’s strict, you can easily “snatch” it, especially for the question: Is this your last flight?
            Yes, how can I say, at the expense of severity ... I remember how Dad was indignant that earlier !!!!! earlier, babs !!!!!, they were not allowed to go to the airfield for a cannon shot, but here the nurse is sitting on the KDP and in shish-bysh cuts with the flight manager ... I mean, that "rigor" is subject to change ...
            1. densh
              densh 2 September 2013 22: 11 New
              0
              I may not be very expert, but a woman playing shish-besh on KDP deserves respect. soldier
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 2 September 2013 22: 13 New
                +1
                A woman playing CDP in shish besh deserves reprimand, and RP strictly penalized!
                1. densh
                  densh 2 September 2013 22: 40 New
                  +1
                  Do you have many friends of women playing shish-besh? I only meant it.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 2 September 2013 22: 51 New
                    +1
                    Enough, in our regiment, it was a craze, like snoring, but if you were forced to “planer” on flights at least for this activity. So, you were only involved in flights.
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 2 September 2013 23: 46 New
      0
      Journalists at war is the 5th column in action ... Can you imagine a journalist on the Kursk Bulge during a tank battle? What is there to investigate? What war crimes are there if everything around is littered with corpses? There were ours and Fritz - and journalists usually sat in the rear and wrote their articles and poems about the war there !!!
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 50 New
        0
        All under one comb is not necessary.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 3 September 2013 08: 52 New
          0
          So this is not a journalist - this is a cameraman - and most likely from his own part ... On one such accounted for 20 rear scribblers of gunpowder not sniffed !!!
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 23: 50 New
        +2
        Look ANNA NEWS, these guys are always at the forefront and have injuries, so journalists from the USA and Europe are sitting in the rear on a warm stove, or even in their offices and dictating what the people pick them up. And about World War 2, you look of interest for the sake of how many cameramen and journalists have died, with just one science film studio more than 30 people, they all hang on the foyer of honor.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 54 New
          0
          Well done good drinks soldier you can’t say better!
        2. Selevc
          Selevc 3 September 2013 20: 25 New
          0
          Then it is strange why for almost 20 years in documentaries about the war they have shown a very small limited number of videos from the front line? Well, there is very little Soviet film material on WWII - much more German ...

          If so many cameramen died, then where are their films?
  • Matematos
    Matematos 2 September 2013 20: 05 New
    0
    I read this article - I lost a few minutes in vain
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 2 September 2013 20: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Matematos
      lost a few minutes wasted

      Well don't tell ...
      A neighing?
      The most on Monday.
      lol
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 2 September 2013 20: 12 New
    +1
    The border of the USSR with neighboring countries is almost entirely tank dangerous. Only along the Arctic Ocean there were no tank armies. I needed a lot of tanks, good !!!!! Therefore, there were several tank factories! There was competition between tank factories! In my opinion, the tanks are approximately similar ... the hodovka is slightly different. but the main difference is in the engines. T 72 engine ... modernized B 2. C T 34. 1935 Sample Engine. or 1938 I don’t remember exactly. Cool engine !!!! For 1940 !!! Yes, they are on the T90 !!! T 80 modernized helicopter engine. Tight !! powerful!!! easy !!! But fuel consumption ... and therefore air for fuel combustion. Therefore, air filtration causes many problems. T 64 ... two-stroke diesel ... 5 cylinder roofing felts ... 10 cylinder roofing felts. but there’s a lot of screech. I don’t want to go at low speeds. ON OUR TANKS THE PROBLEM ENGINE. !!!!! Can you see the documentation for the desel of the aircraft IL 2 ????
  • svp67
    svp67 2 September 2013 20: 56 New
    +1
    By the way, for journalists, the Soviet development is also perfect, on the basis of the T80 - the Ladoga tank ...
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 2 September 2013 21: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      "Ladoga".

      Eheh, the very thing is to go "mushroom" on it ...
      Infa passed that it will be modernized.
      1. bask
        bask 2 September 2013 22: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Eheh, the very thing is to go "mushroom" on it ...
        Infa passed that it will be modernized.

        Great car, good group lift.
        Increase the size of the armored tank and the finished BTR-T.
        A GTD-1250 gas turbine engine with a capacity of 1200 l / s was used as a power plant.

        Mass, 42 tons.
        Crew 6
        Autonomy, hour 48
        Maximum speed, 75 cells / h
        Power reserve, km 330
        1. Yemelya
          Yemelya 2 September 2013 22: 43 New
          +1
          A ladder for Brezhnev, or what?
        2. svp67
          svp67 2 September 2013 23: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: bask
          A GTD-1250 gas turbine engine with a capacity of 1200 l / s was used as a power plant.
          They say that Klimovtsy have developed such engines, up to 2000 hp, but I honestly see our future tank with such a DIESEL “heart”
          1. bask
            bask 2 September 2013 23: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            a tank with such a DIESEL "heart"

            Is this the same X-shaped diesel?
            "" Experimental X-shaped turbocharged diesel A-85-2 (photo by Alexei Khlopotov,) "" http: // otvaga20
          2. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 2 September 2013 23: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            with such a DIESEL "heart"

            Just Krasyava dvig ...
            yes
            I wonder how they will "marry" him ... without a "guitar"?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 32 New
              +3
              The experimental tank "Object 187" was tested. "Object 187", sample No. 4, sample No. 5, sample No. 6 - experimental X-shaped turbocharged diesel A-85-2 with a capacity of 1200 liters. with. Design Bureau of ChTZ engines (Chelyabinsk), located longitudinally in the MTO.
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 2 September 2013 21: 01 New
      +4
      Earrings, there are no options, you have to blame laughing good
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 21: 12 New
      +1
      In fact, it’s not a tank, this machine is designed to work in conditions of high contamination of the terrain, it’s rather a scout, by the way it was used to liquidate the Chernobyl accident,
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 2 September 2013 21: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        This is actually not a tank, this machine is designed

        I scratch my forehead and don’t know how to answer this ...
        Uh ...
        Thank you for opening ALL eyes to this.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 21: 26 New
          0
          I am always happy to fill your education gaps. laughing
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 2 September 2013 21: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            your spaces

            I hope this is humor, not a mockery.
            I tried to be correct.
            Ladoga is a well-known unit, albeit rare.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 21: 41 New
              +1
              Naturally, humor would be a mockery would put another emoticon, and I see no reason for mockery.
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 2 September 2013 21: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: tilovaykrisa
                Naturally humor

                wink

                About Chernobyl, since they remembered:
                Himself, of course, was not.
                The sappers said that they left a bunch of figs of their equipment there, and helicopters and ... IMR became the true laborers.

                This is so, by the way, I’m not clever, I just remembered ...
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 2 September 2013 21: 59 New
                  +3
                  Eternal memory to the guys.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 2 September 2013 22: 01 New
                    +2
                    Technological cemetery in Chernobyl.
                    1. tilovaykrisa
                      tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 22: 19 New
                      +1
                      While writing a picture already hemmed laughing
                2. igor67
                  igor67 2 September 2013 22: 01 New
                  +3
                  [quote = Aleks tv] [quote = tilovaykrisa] Naturally humor, [/ quote]
                  wink

                  About Chernobyl, since they remembered:
                  Himself, of course, was not.
                  The sappers said that they left a bunch of figs of their equipment there, and helicopters and ... IMR became the true laborers. FIRST secured to us for repair MI6E, Chernobyl, mistimed machines of the first, PTSANY firebox WENT KEROS merge, ONE lost consciousness have LVOIH Bloody nose has gone, then we Protective Suits WHITE DALY in the heat, then said VODKA removes radionuclides OU and went HEAT,

                3. tilovaykrisa
                  tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 22: 05 New
                  +1
                  There were also a lot of turntables there, they were forced to go directly to the molten zone to dump the sand lead.
      2. svp67
        svp67 2 September 2013 23: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        In fact, it’s not a tank, this machine is designed to work in conditions of high contamination of the terrain, it’s rather a scout, by the way it was used to liquidate the Chernobyl accident,

        But if to be completely frank, then initially it is a Highly Protected Vehicle (VZTS), in particular for evacuating and moving members of the government and the Central Committee under the conditions of the use of weapons of mass destruction ... and everything else is secondary.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 23: 32 New
          +2
          My kament belonged to the only real use of this apparatus, namely to the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. I’ve heard about the evacuation of the government for the first time, but this does not mean that you are wrong.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 2 September 2013 23: 35 New
            +2
            Sergey is right, I'm sorry, I can’t say where I saw them, but I saw them. They stand in a ready state.
  • Privat
    Privat 4 September 2013 06: 02 New
    +2
    Y-yes ...
    Insanity grew stronger, the schizometer went off scale.
    That is, it’s not enough now for the crazy journalistic to simply raise the ratings of their TV channels on someone else’s blood, they already need a tank to do this live.
    And I naively thought that the live killings described by Robert Sheckley were fantastic. But no! The liberal show business is trying to get to the hot spots. But with comfort.
    It’s just that they will have to carry out another reform in the army - in the course of a young soldier, to train soldiers to die beautifully and aesthetically on a television camera.
    As for the yellow color, I categorically support it. And earlier crazy houses painted this color, and for the current yellow press, this color is generally status. Only the paint should be fluorescent, so that day and night both their own and the enemy clearly see who to wet first.
    Although, to save money, one could also learn from foreign colleagues. They shot half of the "Arab spring" in low-budget Kuwaiti scenery. And cheaply, and all the same, all the channels drove this shnyag.

    PS The writing does not apply to real reporters, such as on the ANNA channel. Therefore, as they do their job professionally and selflessly, for some reason they do not require personal tanks.