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Russia's interests in relation to Syria are not identical to the interests of Russia in the Syrian conflict. Moscow can quite afford to lose the Assad regime.


Путин РјРѕР¶РµС ‚сеР± Рµ РИРѕР · РІРѕР» ить потерять РЎРёСЂРёСЋ ("Р" РµРІСЏС‚С ‹Р№ РєР" Р ° РЅ Р ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅР ° РЅРЅ


In 2009, the trade turnover between Russia and Syria amounted to 702 million dollars, and this can be considered as a guideline of the "non-military" component of trade between the two countries. In the same 2009 year, according to customs statistics, Russia's foreign trade turnover amounted to 469,0 billion dollars - Syria occupied a little more than a tenth of a percent (0,14%).

Military contracts, widely discussed in the press, on closer examination, look insignificant. Today, Russia and Syria have existing contracts in the military-technical sphere for 3.5 billion dollars. At first glance, this is quite a bit - at the beginning of 2012, the entire order book of Rosoboronexport, which accounts for over 80% of all arms exports from Russia, was $ 33-35 billion dollars - a tenth of which is Syrian. But Damascus does not pay: since 2006, Syria paid Russia only 1 billion dollars from relying on contracts 5,5 billion. This is taking into account the fact that a year before, in 2005, Russia wrote off Syria to 10 billion dollars exactly exchange for guarantees of new orders for weapons. Experts of the authoritative Jane's Report go further and note that Russia incurs direct losses from military trade with Syria in the form of lost profits in solvent Arab arms markets.

Thus, Putin has no economic motives to fight for the Assad regime.

There are no political motives. President Assad is not President Maduro, President Morales or President Chavez. The regime in Damascus has never positioned itself as an ally of Russia, especially as an ally of Russia in the confrontation between the United States and the West.

Prior to 2011, Syria was much more focused on the Gulf Cooperation Council, a political superstructure uniting the “gulf monarchies” - Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Oman, Bahrain and Kuwait. The explanation for this is quite simple: the share of only two countries, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, in the linear foreign trade turnover of Syria is three times more than the share of Russia (15,1% to 4,9%). The monarchies provided an inflow of investments in the infrastructure and tourism of Syria, which was easy, given the amount of resources available to them.

As a result, in all Arab coups before 2011, the position of Syria was identical to the positions of the Council countries - and, therefore, diametrically opposed to the position of Putin and Russia.

With the onset of the Syrian conflict, of course, the situation has changed, but even an inexperienced observer may notice: Assad is very restrained in responding to Russia's efforts to save his regime: there are no significant expressions of appreciation or mass "friendship demonstrations" typical of Arab countries at the embassy. The Assad regime clearly puts more on the fact that it will be able to negotiate with the monarchies of the Gulf than on the fact that Russia will stop the military operation of the West. All this causes a growing disapproval in Moscow.

The military significance of the logistics point of the ships of the Russian Navy in Tartus is also greatly exaggerated. First of all, this is not a military base, as Tartus is mistakenly called. There is no online connection fleet. There are no airplanes based there, and generally there are no conditions for reception aviation. There are no military personnel - only civilian personnel. There is no hotel for sailors where they could rest - the crews remain on the ships at the port of call.

The “Russian” Tartus is two non-stationary 110-meter floating piers (some sources claim that one: the second is dismantled and decommissioned), several onshore warehouses and a fence.

"The point in Tartus is not of strategic importance. Ships of the Russian operational connection of the Navy in the Mediterranean Sea can replenish stocks in the port of Limassol," said Mikhail Bogdanov, deputy foreign minister of Russia, in an Arab press in late July. He confirmed that at the present time an agreement is in force, under which ships of the Russian Navy received the right to enter the Cyprus port to replenish stocks.

Russia left the same coastal supply points for the fleet, including in the region: the island of Socotra (Yemen), Split (former Yugoslavia), Sfax (Tunisia), Mersa Matruh (Egypt), Tobruk (Libya). African security centers are closed - Dakhlak (Ethiopia) and Conakry (Guinea). But this had no effect on the implementation of the concept of the global presence of the Navy in the world's oceans.

Back in 2001, at the very beginning of the first presidential term, Putin signed the “Maritime Doctrine of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2020”, which took into account the principle of complete autonomy of ship actions in any part of the world’s ocean, and in ten years the Russian fleet learned to do without coastal supply. This is the case in the North and South Atlantic, this is the case in the southern waters of the Pacific Ocean, this is the case in the Indian Ocean - there is no reason for this not to succeed in the Mediterranean Sea, which is much simpler to supply the fleet, especially considering the treaty with Cyprus.

All this allows us to make a reasonable conclusion - the rescue of the Assad regime is not a motive that determines the policies of Vladimir Putin in the Syrian crisis.

Considering the scope of efforts and the readiness of Putin to incur serious losses, this can only be domestic political motives - for any foreign policy motives the price would be too high.

There are no politicians who could afford to ignore their own ratings in the eyes of voters. But some politicians pay attention to this only during election campaigns, considering the period between elections as the time to implement plans without looking at the voters. And some politicians are always sensitive to rating fluctuations. The reasons for one or another pattern of behavior are always purely personal.

Vladimir Putin belongs to the second group. Even today, when the system created by him will withstand almost any fall in the level of trust without a crisis of power, he very carefully follows the fluctuations of trust in him and approval of his activities.

A successful, efficient foreign policy has always been the foundation for the country's approval of Vladimir Putin’s activities. Just two weeks after the election, Levada Center conducted a survey on 20-23 on April 2012 of the year, during which, in particular, it found out with what hopes the Russian population connects Vladimir Putin’s return to the Kremlin. Two thirds of the respondents (67%) hoped for a positive strengthening of Russia's foreign policy positions, and only 15% doubted this. That is, even those who did not vote for Putin hoped for his foreign policy. For example, only 45% of respondents hoped for improvements in the economy.

These numbers meant that the government recovered from a knockdown obtained in foreign policy in March 2011, when, during a vote in the Security Council's 1973 resolution on Libya, then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev ordered not to use the veto. Medvedev was trivially deceived by the United States when, during a visit to Moscow, Vice President Joe Biden verbally guaranteed that it was a matter of a no-fly zone in the air over Libya, and not of NATO bombing in support of Gadhafi’s opponents.

Gaddafi in 2011 was no closer for Putin than Assad was in 2013, but Putin learned the lesson well. For the first time in ten years, the trust ratings of the authorities (and in Russia this means personally Vladimir Putin) in March 2011 moved down because of the public’s perception of foreign policy as a failure and not in line with Russia's interests. “Gaddafi understood that Russia has no other role and function, except as a postman of the West,” said Alexander Rahr, a German political scientist and long-time Director of the Center for Russia and Eurasia at the German Council on Foreign Policy, in that March.

This was noticed not only by Rahr, but also by Putin’s voter. For the first time in three years, Putin was forced to dissociate himself from the foreign policy of the current President, calling the 1973 resolution "flawed" and compared it with a call for a crusade. This allowed Putin, to some extent, to withdraw from the discontent of the population, but questioned his own decision to refuse re-election in 2008-m in favor of Medvedev.

The Libyan slap turned into a crisis of confidence for Putin inside the country, and Medvedev was worth the nomination for a second presidential term.

Putin can afford to lose Syria. Even the weakening of the weight of the UN Security Council in world affairs can afford it - few people in Russia at least understand this; even fewer those who notice this, given the extensive propaganda machine in the hands of the Russian authorities.

But what a politician Putin cannot afford under any circumstances is to make his foreign policy look like Yeltsin’s or Gorbachev’s: in the eyes of the country: weak, ineffective, not independent. For him, this is a political catastrophe, zeroing in the results of twelve years of political leadership. For returning the status of a citizen of a great world power, the Russian voter forgave Putin a lot, almost everything - so great was the injury inflicted by Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Evaluating all twelve years of Putin’s rule, most of the country's inhabitants (45%) in a poll of VTsIOM of October last year noted the success of his foreign policy. Even peace in the North Caucasus was in the eyes of the population of the lower value of Putin’s rule (34%).

There is no return by Russia of the role of a great power as it is understood by the population of the country - there is no successful politician Vladimir Putin. The economy, the fight against corruption, peace in the Caucasus, overcoming the global crisis - all this is either not in favor of Putin, or only slightly so that he remains in the eyes of the nation as a politician who has revived the country.

This is the main driving belt of Russia's steps in the Syrian crisis.

The author of the article is Alexander Shpunt, director of the Institute for Political Analysis Tools (Moscow), professor at the Higher School of Economics, project manager for election campaigns of V.Putin (2000, 2004) and D.Medvedeva (2008), chief of the Eastern European Bureau of 9 channel.
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http://www.9tv.co.il/news/2013/08/30/157582.html
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  1. 31231
    31231 31 August 2013 07: 26
    +30
    Dowel about money. Trader from the 9th channel. About who he will not say anything.
    1. tomas.09
      tomas.09 31 August 2013 08: 19
      +38
      Jews, as always, are about money; they cannot understand that Russia, protecting Syria, is protecting itself, not investment or anything else !!!
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 31 August 2013 09: 44
        +15
        They can even understand. That's why we are very concerned about the design of the otmaza, with both arms and legs they honk - we will help! Assistants, edrena root ...
      2. bask
        bask 31 August 2013 09: 45
        +22
        Quote: tomas.09
        The author of the article is Alexander Shpunt, director of the Institute for Political Analysis Instruments (Moscow), professor at the Higher School of Economics, project manager in election campaigns of V. Putin (2000, 2004) and D. Medvedev (2008),

        He is a tongue and groove in Africa.
        But the fact is that such tongues are involved in PR companies, in the presidential elections in Russia, that’s the danger !!!!
        And that he writes complete nonsense .....
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 31 August 2013 10: 53
          +20
          It's hard for Israel to understand that not everything in the world revolves around money. This is where the article begins with the price list. It is strange that Channel XNUMX regularly forgets to mention its debts (the state of Israel) to the same USA and that America will eventually lose any economic interest in pulling Israel into a "bright life."
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 11: 04
            +22
            Quote: VASABI
            It is strange that Channel XNUMX regularly forgets to mention its debts (state of Israel) by the same USA

            Why mention, if the Germans pay another 10 billion for the Holocaust. And let them just try to refuse to pay laughing
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 31 August 2013 11: 59
              +9
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Why mention, if the Germans pay another 10 billion for the Holocaust. And let them just try to refuse to pay
              - but you remember and keep this in mind in case the German takes a break and declares that he does not want to feel guilty anymore laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 12: 03
                +7
                Quote: aksakal
                if a German takes a break and declares that he no longer wants to feel guilty

                Cho ??? Refuses to pay, but let him just try to think about this. Immediately blamed for all sins and called a Nazi.
          2. chief.matros
            chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 01
            +2
            The United States, by the way, is trying to get rid of Israel because of its debts to the States, which are not compensated by military and other help, and our fools, on the contrary, want to take them under their wing, and do not have to stick your head in the Jewish loop of Jerusalem
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 18
              +1
              Quote: chief.matros
              The United States, by the way, is trying to get rid of Israel because of its debts to the States, which are not compensated by military and other help, and our fools, on the contrary, want to take them under their wing, and do not have to stick your head in the Jewish loop of Jerusalem

              Stupid not tired of talking? Only recently they extended the aid package for 10 years, American companies are constantly buying Israeli startups and technologies, the United States receives various information and military technologies from Israel through various programs. What nonsense are you talking about, the right word, at least on the topic went through before commenting.
              1. chief.matros
                chief.matros 1 September 2013 03: 00
                +5
                You will also say that Israel has begun to make processors, and the market relations of several companies will still not recoup all the US investments in Israel. Yes, and you will also bring startups from DeSheli here
              2. chief.matros
                chief.matros 1 September 2013 04: 24
                +2
                so what from this, during the USSR, the us and canada massively bought our wood and metal processing machines, nevertheless we were their main enemy
        2. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 31 August 2013 13: 34
          +9
          I don’t know how anyone, but I have a strong conviction that in this HSE, the most sucks of the Russian haters have been collected.
          After all, what essentially did this Groovy suffer from? In fact, it simply denies the right to restoration to Russia
          , just as a SELF-SUFFICIENT, INDEPENDENT country, it would be better for him that Russia would weave in the USA train carrying out all their orders.
          It's probably time to disperse this "high-browed herd of" potential traitors "in Russia.
        3. vezunchik
          vezunchik 31 August 2013 14: 24
          +2
          We lost all our friends - and in those countries that were oriented towards socialism! Yemen, Ethiopia Angola Ghana Yugoslavia Iraq Libya, now Syria. And our rulers began to arrange graters with Belarus ... Are they preparing to surrender the Old Man ????
          1. 31231
            31231 31 August 2013 16: 06
            +2
            Still tirelessly shouting "Prosralipolymers!" ?
        4. chief.matros
          chief.matros 1 September 2013 00: 57
          -4
          I don’t quite agree that it’s complete nonsense, because if Syria really were dear to Moscow, then Putin would not be in the Far East (even an envoy could be sent there), but closer, in the same Moscow.
          1. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 1 September 2013 09: 01
            +4
            Strange conclusion.
            I was not at the Far East, they yell badly. I flew at the Far East, again badly.
            And what about modern communications?
            What is the difference where Putin is, that he does not have communication systems allowing him to contact any leader of countries that are somehow tied to the conflict in Syria?
            Yesterday, his statement about the cries of crazy America about the use of chemical weapons in Syria, allegedly by government forces, is that? It’s extremely clear America is a fool who screams all kinds of crap. What else is needed?
      3. skeptic
        skeptic 31 August 2013 20: 01
        +5
        Quote: tomas.09
        Jews, as always, are about money; they cannot understand that Russia, protecting Syria, is protecting itself, not investment or anything else !!!


        They understand everything, they "counted" everything. And then Putin does not need Syria, but they just didn’t hint at what the cost of the economic and political well-being of Russia would be the laying of a gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe. What will the hordes of Islamists "liberated" from the massacre in Syria cost, not to mention the authority of Russia as an independent state in the world?
        Oh, these "guardians" of the human race ...
        1. 31231
          31231 1 September 2013 07: 58
          -2
          And what will their gas pipeline cost Russia ?! You at least take a look at the map, there you can get a lot of routes outside Syria.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 31 August 2013 10: 35
      +18
      Israeli provocateurs (Channel XNUMX Israel) under the leadership of Shpunt in action. The information war is growing.
      Have a good day!
      1. bask
        bask 31 August 2013 11: 15
        +12
        Quote: Hedgehog
        The information war is growing.

        Greetings Eugene.
        Not only on Israeli television.
        But in all the world media controlled by the Zionists. There is a total INFA .. war against Syria and personally against Bashar al-Assad.
        The OWNER of these gentlemen is one. Therefore, the media are so coordinated attacks on Syria !!!
        AOL Time Warner
        Wycom
        NBC Universal
        Bertelsmann
        Murdoch News Corp
        So, only FIVE giants dictate what the masses should think about and how they should be entertained. Shouldn't this fact itself be alarming? "" "[media = http: //www.zerkalov.org/node/2524]
        Continued on this link (anyone interested).
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 31 August 2013 11: 24
          +9
          And to you, good afternoon, dear.
          Yes, not so long ago a similar article slipped with a wider list of similar companies, albeit smaller ones. And yes, they pursue a policy beneficial to one type of people, beneficial to them alone.
        2. wax
          wax 31 August 2013 12: 20
          +4
          On RT announced the blocking of the TV channel in the United States
          http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2013/08/30/na-rt-zajavili-o-blokirovke-telekanala-v-us

          a-22480.html
          ... but still he is powerless ... (not RT channel meant)
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 31 August 2013 12: 35
            +2
            Quote: Wax
            On RT announced the blocking of the TV channel in the United States

            The Pindoras leadership is active, trying, fighting for freedom of speech.
            http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2013/08/31/amerikanskie-evrei-podtalkivajut-obamu-k-vo
            jne-22483.html
        3. Dober
          Dober 31 August 2013 22: 00
          +5
          Quote: bask
          So, only FIVE giants dictate what the masses should think about and how they need to have fun. Should this fact not be alarming already?

          And what about you, dear Basque, such a list -

          Russian Jewish Congress,
          Jewish Charity Foundation "Mercy and Culture", Jewish Arts Center,
          Congress of Jewish Religious Communities and Organizations of Russia (KEROOR),
          Israeli film club in the Moscow cinema center,
          Tsayar Jewish Foundation for the Encouragement of Arts,
          Union of Disabled Jews and War Veterans (SEIVV), Moscow Jewish Association of Former Prisoners of Ghettos and Concentration Camps,
          Mark Blok Center at the Russian State University for the Humanities,
          Jewish Science Center at the Russian Academy of Sciences,
          Branch of the American Jewish Distribution Committee in Russia - "Joint",
          Jewish Journalists Association,
          Charity Fund "Bikur-Kholim"
          Jewish Marriage Agency,
          Moscow Jewish Community Center "Khasad-khama",
          Jewish religious community "Gineini" (community of progressive Judaism),
          Jewish Agency in Russia,
          Moscow Jewish Cultural and Educational Society (MEKPO),
          Jewish Charitable Foundation "Esther",
          Institute for Jewish Education,
          Student Jewish organization "Gelel",
          Organization "Hesed Abraham",
          Jewish Charitable Foundation "Eva",
          Jewish Community Center,
          Moscow Jewish Community Center "Chabad-Lubavich" ...

          All this is only in Moscow, in Russia - a multiple. A list of 5 (?) Years ago, now some have transformed, renamed, but have not closed.
          And all these organizations have one task - "a Jew in Russia must feel like a Jew."
          Not from here, whether dowels, dowels, dowels, pins and other kagtavy shkets hatch ...
    3. Che
      Che 31 August 2013 10: 51
      +7
      No, Russia can not afford to lose Syria, then all the policy on the BV then in one place. The only way out is to convince the amers that they are wrong. Offer them cooperation in the prosecution of terrorists around the world. Yes, and in other purely peaceful areas could find a common language.
      1. bask
        bask 31 August 2013 11: 00
        +8
        Quote: Che
        . Offer them cooperation in prosecuting terrorists around the world

        Che.
        How will they pursue the one themselves armed and trained !!!!
        Best regards hi
        1. chief.matros
          chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 21
          +2
          I completely agree that the same Basayev was trained first in the military camps of the KGB, and even before the collapse of the USSR, and then in Abkhazia, so why should Amers exterminate the Taliban and Alkaida (All Files), if they finance it themselves ?
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 31 August 2013 11: 19
        +6
        Quote: Che
        the prosecution of terrorists around the world

        If I am not mistaken, a similar program already exists and operates. Remember the Tsarnaevs and the notifications of the Russian side about them. And on the other hand, al-Qaeda is operating in Syria, but the Pindoras do not want to bomb them, they want to bomb Assad's palace. Or is al Qaeda not a terrorist organization? Correctly noticed Bask! You can’t beat your own!
      3. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 31 August 2013 13: 38
        +4
        Can you give a positive result of interaction with the Naglo-Saxons - not private, as, for example, the notorious Lend-Lease (about where the money was stuffed) but general, for Russia? ...
        EXCEPT one case, they are really grateful to Gorbachev and Yeltsin for the collapse of the USSR, because the gesheft was torn off, which has no precedent in history.
      4. chief.matros
        chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 14
        0
        tell me, and whom to protect in BV? After all, all the countries there are contrary to the policy of Russia (for example, name at least one state in the BV that adopted the sovereignty of the same Abkhazia or approved at least one Russian position?), This implies only one of none of the existing regimes in the BV not on the way from the Russian Federation, what they need from us is only good weapons, and even then they are unable to pay (except for Iran, of course, after writing off billions of dollars to him).
        1. svp67
          svp67 1 September 2013 01: 23
          +2
          Quote: chief.matros
          tell me, and whom to protect in BV?
          Our citizens living there and the interests of Russia ...
          1. chief.matros
            chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 02
            -2
            what interests, the Arabs need only our weapons, but thanks for them
          2. chief.matros
            chief.matros 1 September 2013 03: 07
            0
            what forgive interests? Our plants and factories are not there, and I think they are unlikely to be, there are no bases left (by the way, they demanded such loot that it was simply incomprehensible to the mind), but of course you need to evacuate citizens to Russia, I agree, you can’t leave them there
            1. 31231
              31231 1 September 2013 08: 02
              0
              Google who built many objects in Syria and laid pipelines.
    4. Rosomaha67
      Rosomaha67 31 August 2013 11: 01
      +8
      ..... another vyser of the "hotbed of liberalism" of the Higher School of Economics, I did not expect anything else from them, this is the "holy day" of misunderstood "freedom fighters" and invaluable "geniuses of economics" ......
      1. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 31 August 2013 13: 24
        0
        Quote: Rosomaha67
        ..... another vyser of the "hotbed of liberalism" of the Higher School of Economics, I did not expect anything else from them, this is the "holy day" of misunderstood "freedom fighters" and invaluable "geniuses of economics" ......


        And even so, 12 pluses have already been put to the article, but they are commenting on, it looks like those who put minuses, the site is growing ..., we still have our own "fifth column" appeared. Or is it personally Shpunt from 12 accounts promotes his article ...
        1. chief.matros
          chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 23
          +1
          so at neighboring computer workstations in the office and such dowels are sitting nearby
    5. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 31 August 2013 12: 11
      +9
      For some reason, the author focuses on Putin, and what does Putin have to do with it - the loss of Syria is a blow to the interests of Russia both under Putin and without him, under any president. Dowel - something small and shitty seems.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 31 August 2013 13: 18
        +3
        Very competently said!
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        For some reason, the author focuses on Putin, what does Putin have to do with it - the loss of Syria is a blow to Russia's interests

        +
      2. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 31 August 2013 21: 20
        +2
        The emphasis on Putin is clearly why he personifies the authorities in Russia. But you are right, the essence is not in Putin himself, the essence is Russia's refusal to soldier independent policy
        1. chief.matros
          chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 27
          -2
          for sure, Putin has nothing to do with it, even from his puppeteers (the same figures as the aforementioned sheet pile) to the Far East washed away in this situation
      3. chief.matros
        chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 24
        0
        ++++++++++++++
    6. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 1 September 2013 03: 31
      0
      Quote: 31231
      Dowel about money. Trader from the 9th channel. About who he will not say anything.


      Stopuda disa to Syrians brain eat.
    7. 123123123
      123123123 1 September 2013 13: 15
      0
      Bullshit - minus the article
  2. soldat1945
    soldat1945 31 August 2013 07: 27
    +24
    From Israeli analysts a little nauseous!
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 07: 28
    +20
    A bunch of numbers about money, profit, trade and not a word about people. I did not read further.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 31 August 2013 10: 39
      +14
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      A bunch of numbers about money, profit, trade and not a word about people

      According to the permanent residents of the site-Israelis, a similar conclusion could have been made long ago. And they talk about people when they talk about self-loved ones. The rest are not people.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 11: 07
        +3
        Quote: Hedgehog
        According to the permanent residents of the site-Israelis, a similar conclusion could have been made long ago.

        I did but made a mistake belay after learning that most of the representatives on the site, under the flags of Israel, are actually not Jews wassat
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 31 August 2013 11: 10
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          are not really Jews

          Amazing But it may well be a fact. Just once, soon after registration, I witnessed a meeting of fighters of the Israeli information front on the sidelines of a Russian site. Something like that.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 12: 06
            +2
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Amazing But it may well be a fact

            Turn it this way until you see one Jew. Yesterday I spoke on Skype with Igor67 and asked him to show me a real Jew, at least one wink He looked out the window, looked around recourse and says yes there are none here laughing And it's called Israel wassat
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 31 August 2013 12: 24
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              until I saw a single Jew.

              Alexander, but who should be considered a Jew? Orthodox, or someone else? You are aware that the Israeli policy is aimed at filling the country with Jews alone. No matter how. Until the passing of all polls giur and similar actions. Therefore, it is customary to call all Israelis Jews, probably.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 12: 38
                -1
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Alexander, but who should be considered a Jew? Orthodox, or someone else?

                Yes, at least some trace has caught a cold laughing
                Quote: Hedgehog
                You know that Israeli policy is aimed at filling the country with Jews alone
                Yes, I’m in the know, but so far I have seen Russians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians and even the hell knows who, but the Jews what no, I have not seen request
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 31 August 2013 12: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  and hell knows who, but I haven’t seen any Jews

                  Terrible bad luck! laughing
                2. chief.matros
                  chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 43
                  +2
                  he defends his people, I personally observed in 1991 in Estonia (served there) how they (representatives of the Israeli migration service) in Tallinn checked through the KGB all the pedigree of people leaving for permanent residence in Israel, and he claims not to have seen Jews, even among the Caucasian peoples such crosses are found, and not only among Ukrainians and Cossacks.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 1 September 2013 03: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: chief.matros
                    he defends his

                    Maybe you’ll go into skype and look at your own, with a characteristic shaw of SHO laughing
                    1. chief.matros
                      chief.matros 1 September 2013 04: 14
                      0
                      Sholem Alleykum. To my chagrin, I do not say SHO, but people like you have seen and sold Russia, so sit and puff in a rag
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          2. chief.matros
            chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 37
            0
            they want to topple from the promised land before the flood, that’s probing Russia on the essence of the Jewish question
        2. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 31 August 2013 12: 07
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Hedgehog
          According to the permanent residents of the site-Israelis, a similar conclusion could have been made long ago.

          I did but made a mistake belay after learning that most of the representatives on the site, under the flags of Israel, are actually not Jews wassat


          Of course, as I understand it, some even live in Russia, at the same time they praise the great Israel and reproach Russia.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 31 August 2013 12: 15
            +8
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            praise the great Israel and reproach Russia.

            Ruslan, if you pay attention to those who moved to permanent residence in the United States, then, having taken the oath of allegiance to the new country of residence, they begin to pour mud on the place in which they were born on any pretext. From dirt to Kings! A similar thing happens with those who live or have lived in Israel. Unfortunately, in Russia it is not customary to swear allegiance to the country. Even to those who once betrayed her and fled. From here and draw conclusions, gentlemen.
            1. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 31 August 2013 12: 34
              +5
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              praise the great Israel and reproach Russia.

              Ruslan, if you pay attention to those who moved to permanent residence in the United States, then, having taken the oath of allegiance to the new country of residence, they begin to pour mud on the place in which they were born on any pretext. From dirt to Kings! A similar thing happens with those who live or have lived in Israel. Unfortunately, in Russia it is not customary to swear allegiance to the country. Even to those who once betrayed her and fled. From here and draw conclusions, gentlemen.


              This is such a sort of people, they also say about them - "Homeland is where it is good", and they also say "neither the Motherland, nor the flag" you don't have to give in public - it's inside me.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 31 August 2013 12: 39
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan_F38
                I don’t have to swear an oath to this publicly - this is inside of me.

                Actually, this is a good thing and it was precisely it that had to be adopted from the states from the beginning of the 90s. Young people upon reaching a certain age and newly arrived for permanent residence in Russia. Returnees from countries in which they took such an oath for permanent residence are not allowed. A traitor is a traitor everywhere. An example you have, and not sickly.
                1. chief.matros
                  chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 56
                  +1
                  but in the United States, by the way, it doesn’t take an oath, but their tax, if you are a US citizen, pay taxes only there, and if you have lived your life somewhere far away (being a state citizen at the same time), returning to the states with you will be asked for a tax return, and if you are not able to pay it, go to jail
            2. chief.matros
              chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 51
              -1
              I took an oath to defend my homeland, the USSR, now it is gone, and they do not take an oath twice !!!
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 12: 41
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan_F38

            Of course, as I understand it, some even live in Russia,

            No, I mean those here on the site under the flags of Israel. But the Jews are Pupyrchaty, but he lives in Russia. If it goes at such a pace, then in ten years, Israel will join Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation laughing
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 31 August 2013 12: 47
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Israel joins Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation

              Dear your optimism, it seems, is slightly redundant. laughing Rather, they will become part of the United States with the rights of two states.
              Or they will try to formalize Russia with their appendage. Which already upsets me. laughing
          3. chief.matros
            chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 49
            +2
            not quite so, I studied with two at the institute, and worked with two others, some vilify Russia, others do not, in general fifty-fifty. In short, build in one line, count on the first-second and half to the wall (and which one to determine by "heads" or "tails"), if they continue to vilify Russia, who remained the same, for the first-second, in short, the priest had a dog ....
        3. chief.matros
          chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 33
          0
          Of course not Jews, well .. (wrote Well, but translated anyway, Jews)
      2. chief.matros
        chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 32
        -1
        goys (as the Jews call us), it’s good that they are not gay, I think that if they call it that, they can’t avoid another Bartholomew’s night
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 10
      -6
      Sasha, what kind of people? There is a civil war in Syria, a 50 to 50 ratio. Which of these people are we talking about? And why in this case you forget about the main people - residents of Russia.
      You’re saying - money is garbage. Tell me, do you have any idea what could be done for the lost $ 14.5 billion for people? For example, this is three years of support for agricultural producers who have suffered from WTO accession policies. Money is not paper, however many would like to believe otherwise. Politics is not done in defiance of the United States, or not to show - we are cool. Politics is done in the interests of the state. And the interests of the state are the creation of WIDE blocs of allies, dependent and / or countries interested in cooperation, as well as the strengthening of the economic and military component.

      In the case of Syria, the country only spends resources. Last time, such embezzlement ended with multi-billion debts and the collapse of the USSR: economics could not stand it. Do you know that this year’s budget is scarce?
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 31 August 2013 14: 50
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        In the case of Syria, the country only spends resources. Last time, such embezzlement ended with multi-billion debts and the collapse of the USSR: economics could not stand it. Do you know that this year’s budget is scarce?


        Don't you think you're exaggerating? It seems to me incorrect to compare the consequences of the Cold War, the arms race with the consequences of the struggle for Syria - the scale is not the same. Regarding the budget - do you think the budget deficit is associated with spending on Syria? Is this not a consequence of the global crisis? And you did not calculate the economic and geopolitical losses in the event of the surrender of Syria?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 15
          0
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          Regarding the budget - do you think the budget deficit is associated with spending on Syria?

          Syria currently owes $ 4.5 billion. Yes, the budget deficit is also associated with it. The federal budget of Russia for January-March 2013 was executed, according to preliminary estimates, with a deficit of 141,1 billion rubles, or 0,9% of GDP. That is, the Syrian current debt could cover the budget deficit for the quarter. And if you take into account decommissioned - then more than a year. And this is only for Syria alone. No, I would understand if Russia in Syria pursued an aggressive policy of integration, the construction of bases, would receive real benefits both in the political and economic sense. But this is not.

          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          And you did not calculate the economic and geopolitical losses in the event of the surrender of Syria?

          Counted. Like those that arise in the case of continued support. Russia has lost most of the richest Arab market. Syria is the last bastion in the Middle East, and it’s so hard to call it a bastion - 4 civilian specialists based in Tartus and a turnover of 700 lei (a litter, another 4.5 billion debt). With hostile Turkey, the turnover is 36 billion.
          1. 31231
            31231 31 August 2013 16: 50
            +3
            The USA spends on Egypt, Israel and others. And nothing, everyone is happy.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2013 16: 58
              -2
              The United States has a huge dividend from all of this. At the same time, the United States has a clear strategy and tactical flair. Russia’s strategy is “we will shit the States so that we don’t need it”. That is why Syria is the last bastion in the Middle East.
              1. Che
                Che 31 August 2013 17: 49
                +6
                Pimpy here I do not agree with you. No need to crap anyone. It is necessary to behave appropriately. Agree that amers suffered. Out of a sense of self-preservation, Israel must put pressure on its strategic friendship.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 August 2013 18: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Che
                  amers suffered.

                  Ah, if amers suffered, everything would be much simpler. Amer does not keep pace with events and their allies. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are extremely ambitious and very rich countries. Therefore, instead of revolutions, relatively small disturbances took place.
                  At the very beginning of all the troubles, that of Qatar, that the Saudis felt the opportunity to advance and create some kind of single Arab space - the caliphate, which they will head. And the guys rushed forward. Nearby rushed the Europeans, who felt the opportunity to advance, the Turks - who are now undergoing a wave of Neo-Ottomanism, and others. Here, the States did not play a role, they already dragged on to the last, look at all this debate in Congress. The states are well aware that if they do not shake, they will strike without them. But then they will already be in the backyards, and completely lose the situation, lose it from their hands.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 31 August 2013 21: 50
                    +5
                    Quote: Pimply
                    At the very beginning of all the turmoil, that of Qatar, that the Saudis felt the opportunity to advance and create some kind of single Arab space - the caliphate, which they will head. And the guys rushed forward.

                    At the very beginning, they made it clear to everyone how they see the "Arab Spring" - just like Gaddafi, like Assad Jr. Only the reaction of the "liberal-tolerant-advanced in everything-about everything" countries was absolutely opposite.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 1 September 2013 00: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Only the reaction of the "liberal-tolerant-advanced in everything-about everything" countries was absolutely opposite.

                      Apparently, therefore, Qatar actively incited what it could with the help of Al-Jazeera, and also trained fighters and financed along with Saudi Arabia. Wake up. These guys have their own very tough interests. And if you think that everyone loved Gaddafi - ask the Saudi king about this.
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 1 September 2013 00: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Wake up. These guys have their own very tough interests. And if you think that everyone loved Gaddafi - ask the Saudi king about this.

                        I did not go to bed yet, waiting for your answer.
                        I'm talking about "the reaction of the mezhdu-shit society" to the same phenomena in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Saud. Arabia and Qatar.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 01
                        0
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        I'm talking about "the reaction of the mezhdu-shit society" to the same phenomena in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Saud. Arabia and Qatar.

                        Well, what did you expect. For example, here the majority completely ignores what Assad guys do.
                        It is common for people to divide everything into black and white.
                      3. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 1 September 2013 01: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Pimply
                        It is common for people to divide everything into black and white.

                        And I'm one of those.
                        The neutral band is well shot on both sides. We have to occupy a place in the trenches of one of the sides.
                        For me, the war in Syria is an analogue of the events in Chechnya. Already posted, I repeat - the same scripts, the same directors and sponsors.
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 21
                        0
                        There is no analogue of the events in Chechnya. Two gangs fight with voracious. Or do you think the guys from the IRGC and Hezbollah are white and fluffy?
        2. 31231
          31231 31 August 2013 19: 52
          +2
          Og, has huge dividends, where do they go ?! The national debt is then more than 16 trillion.
          Does the USA have a clear strategy ?! Oh wey! They cannot decide "to bomb or not to bomb" and cannot sign their allies to this long-term cause. For those are just their grandmothers know how to count, the acre of the Saudis and Qatar.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 31 August 2013 19: 55
            0
            Quote: 31231
            Og, has huge dividends, where do they go ?! The national debt is then more than 16 trillion.
            Does the USA have a clear strategy ?! Oh wey! They cannot decide "to bomb or not to bomb" and cannot sign their allies to this long-term cause. For those are just their grandmothers know how to count, the acre of the Saudis and Qatar.

            Are you at least a little familiar with the modern economy?
            1. 31231
              31231 31 August 2013 20: 00
              +1
              Not. Tell me. If you are so savvy, can you publish the balance of the US budget?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 31 August 2013 20: 13
                0
                Not everything is measured in absolute figures, dear
                1. 31231
                  31231 31 August 2013 20: 32
                  0
                  Oh my god! Here I am naive, expecting a detailed answer from you. Well, okay, googol will always help in the search.
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 14
                  0
                  Quote: 31231
                  Oh my god! Here I am naive, expecting a detailed answer from you. Well, okay, googol will always help in the search.

                  You just ask a question in the spirit

                  - I said answer - yes or no! A simple question can always be answered with “yes” or “no”; in my opinion, this is not difficult.
                  “Imagine hard,” Carlson intervened. “I will ask you a simple question now, and you yourself will be convinced of this.” Here, listen! You stopped drinking brandy in the morning, answer - yes or no?
                  “Yes, yes, of course,” assured the Kid, who wanted to help Freken Bok so much. But then she was completely brutalized.
                  - No! She cried, completely losing her head. The kid blushed and picked up to support her:
                  - No, no, I haven't stopped!
                  “Sorry, sorry,” Carlson said. - Drinking does not lead to good

                  How do you command him to answer? The balance is now 50 billion. Figures without an understanding of the processes and the overall picture give zero.
                3. 31231
                  31231 31 August 2013 21: 21
                  +1
                  Perfectly. Finally, you brought the primary source about "thump in the morning". Thanks.
                  To be honest, the majority of everything that I ask you is in Google. I ask you these questions for one reason, so that those present would know your point of view on them. For it is very original with you.
                4. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: 31231
                  To be honest, the majority of everything that I ask you is in Google. I ask you these questions for one reason, so that those present would know your point of view on them. For it is very original with you.

                  Not at all original - just a little tackle the economy, and not read populist articles
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 31 August 2013 21: 51
            +4
            Quote: Pimply
            Not everything is measured in absolute figures, dear

            But this is your favorite "weapon".
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 1 September 2013 00: 24
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            But this is your favorite "weapon"

            My favorite weapon is knowledge, and ownership of information. And an attempt to pull out the numbers and scare them by size: this is ridiculous, the right word.
          4. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 1 September 2013 00: 37
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            And an attempt to pull out the numbers and scare them by size: this is ridiculous, the right word.

            Algebra does not check harmony ...
          5. Pimply
            Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 02
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Algebra does not check harmony ...

            Some mathematicians will argue with this
  • chief.matros
    chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 00
    +1
    in the USA for a long time they are not happy that they pay for Israel, as the doctor says
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 31 August 2013 21: 40
    +2
    Quote: Pimply
    Like those that arise in the case of continued support. Russia has lost most of the richest Arab market.


    Of course it lost, but not only thanks to its sluggish policy in support of Assad, but also thanks to the aggressive policy of Washington. But if we now surrender Syria as you propose, this region will be lost for us irretrievably. In this case, geopolitical dividends will bring economic dividends in the future, including the reimbursement of these 4.5 billion. What are you suggesting to go along with the Saudis and others and conclude a deal with them - oil in exchange for Assad? Then can we conclude an agreement with Israel and buy advanced technologies in exchange for Assad? Then we will hand over Iran - in exchange we will receive one more "carrot". Then who will we hand over - Belarus? There is no one further - that's all, the list is exhausted. And then they will take over for us and all the economic benefits will become zilch, or maybe we will get rich then, arm ourselves and fight with the whole world. You propose such a normal scenario. And the very bases that you are talking about, we are probably stumbling into Russia. Class! Well, is the death of Russia worth 4.5 billion? I don't think it's worth it - there is no such amount, because not everything is measured in dollars.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 51
      -1
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Of course I lost, but not only thanks to my sluggish policy in support of Assad, but also thanks to Washington's aggressive policy.

      Before Assad, there were many things. And confused mainly due to the slowness of Russian diplomats.
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      What do you propose to go about the Saudis and others and make a deal with them - oil in exchange for Assad? Then will we be able to conclude an agreement with Israel and purchase advanced technologies in exchange for Assad?

      I suggest first of all to act with your head. Assad will not be allowed to win - simply because he will have to cut out half the country to win. Now he had a chance not to lose, and to survive. I think the chance is missed.

      The less they say - to go on about and so on, the more chances there are to build a normal circuit.

      Iran, Belarus - how real is the serious benefit from these Russian countries? A gift to the father (who strives to plant a knife in the back at every opportunity) for three billion annually? Iran, which, sensing that it would not receive the complexes, abruptly reared up? Or will someone from these countries stand up for Russia? Does Russia have bases somewhere in these countries? Real trading interests? Positive balance? Most of all, Russia bargains with its opponents - Turkey, the States, Europe. That's amazing, huh?
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 1 September 2013 12: 00
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        I suggest first of all to act with your head. Assad will not be allowed to win - simply because he will have to cut out half the country to win. Now he had a chance not to lose, and to survive. I think the chance is missed.

        The less they say - to go on about and so on, the more chances there are to build a normal circuit.

        Iran, Belarus - how real is the serious benefit from these Russian countries? A gift to the father (who strives to plant a knife in the back at every opportunity) for three billion annually? Iran, which, sensing that it would not receive the complexes, abruptly reared up? Or will someone from these countries stand up for Russia? Does Russia have bases somewhere in these countries? Real trading interests? Positive balance? Most of all, Russia bargains with its opponents - Turkey, the States, Europe. That's amazing, huh?


        You propose that Russia abandon its allies, abandon them to the mercy of "fate" and the West, and integrate into the scheme of their economic relations. On what conditions and in the quality of whom? A raw material base, and in the future, suppliers of cheap labor? Using our proposed development option - Russia is finished, it will cease to exist as an independent state. We will never be an equal partner for the West.
        Assad will not be allowed to win - simply because he will have to cut out half the country to win. Now he had a chance not to lose, and to survive.
        Half the country of fighters - mercenaries from other countries? What do you think that the citizens of Syria are fighting with Assad? There are 7-10 percent of the total number of militants there, so this is not half the country. It is almost nothing. Maybe even say that the United States is going to bomb Syria saving civilians from Assad? Do not make me laugh. Regarding Assad himself, you apparently did not understand the logic of this person - he could have run away with his family and close circle for a long time leaving the country and people - but he did not do it because in addition to your schemes, economic benefits, the dough finally - there is such a thing as Homeland, which he the people whom he does not have the right as president to defend fate should also defend, probably because the truth is on his side and how he will live on, look into the eyes of his family and people if he abandons the country, but it is better to die. It is unlikely that you will understand this - the benefit is not the value for which it is worth living and dying.
  • Dober
    Dober 31 August 2013 23: 21
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    The federal budget of Russia for January-March 2013 was executed, according to preliminary estimates, with a deficit of 141,1 billion rubles, or 0,9% of GDP. That is, the Syrian current debt could cover the budget deficit for the quarter.

    "I tebe adyn is a clever thing to say, only you are not abyzhaisya" (c)
    4.5 and 141.1 is 3.2%
    Not for a quarter, but only for 27 days (less than a month).

    And with what a cross did the Jews begin to count Russian money? Using your method in a dispute I will ask.
    Can you provide such calculations for the "German gifts" to Israel? Percentage, of course, and always truthful (which is already nonsense) ...

    And here are the conditions under which the Jews robbed and rob the same Germany -
    communitarian.ru/publikacii/mirovaya_istoriya/germanskie_reperatsii_po_pervoy_i_

    vtoroy_mirovym_voynam /
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 10
      0
      Yeah. Only thing is that 4.5 is billions of dollars. And 141 billion rubles. Now count.
      1. Dober
        Dober 1 September 2013 01: 35
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        Now count.

        Yes, no problem. It’s easy.
        And what about "German handouts" ... It is possible in shekels and Mongolian tugriks ...

        In the mid-1980s, a train from Moscow crashed near Prague. The baggage of a senior Israeli diplomat on his way to Tel Aviv scattered across the land. Amazed Czech policemen began to raise old gold coins, jewelry illegally exported from Russia, that had no price. Only the net weight of gold smuggling amounted to 26 kilograms ... The crime helped to open the case, but it remained unpunished. And how many such robbers, under the guise of Israeli diplomats, annually and freely import stolen national wealth from other countries into Israel?
        And then we’ll regret a dozen mulyards to push the war from its borders?

        "My favorite weapon is knowledge, and possession of information. And an attempt to pull out numbers and scare them with their size: it's funny, right the word."
        / Pimply. famous satirist /

        We got it. Already laughing. Thanks for the concert!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 22
          0
          Quote: Dober
          In the mid-1980s, a train from Moscow crashed near Prague. The baggage of a senior Israeli diplomat on his way to Tel Aviv scattered across the land. Amazed Czech policemen began to raise old gold coins, jewelry illegally exported from Russia, that had no price. Only the net weight of gold smuggling amounted to 26 kilograms ... The crime helped to open the case, but it remained unpunished. And how many such robbers, under the guise of Israeli diplomats, annually and freely import stolen national wealth from other countries into Israel?
          And then we’ll regret a dozen mulyards to push the war from its borders?


          And I kept waiting for the next nonsense to climb. I just had no doubt.
  • 31231
    31231 31 August 2013 16: 46
    +3
    Hello, dear. Did you count these 50/50 in Syria?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 00
      -1
      And you? I focus on the figures of speakers at the initial stages, the number of Sunnis, Arab blogs, comments by Arabists. What do you focus on? On the reports of the SANA agency?
      1. 31231
        31231 31 August 2013 19: 57
        +1
        Well, SANA is at the epicenter of the conflict. Although on the side of Assad. Arab blogs and Arabs online ?! And many of them are howling in Syria ?! And how do you comment on the fact that representatives from Anna News claim that the SAR has a large number of Sunnis?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 20: 16
          -1
          Do you really perceive Anna News as something objective? Or Sana?
          1. 31231
            31231 31 August 2013 20: 37
            -1
            Well, I should not take your statements seriously ?! Do you really want to say that the correspondents of Anna-News are Yesdabol?
  • vladkavkaz
    vladkavkaz 31 August 2013 21: 25
    +1
    And what can be doneE by depriving illegally acquired, for example, of such a thief as Rybolovlev? At least 10 billion? And Roma Abramovich?
    And if you take Nevzlin for the zugunder, it’s true that yours in Israel have already nipped well for the glory of Zionism, but somewhere around 6-7 billion remain. And the Black brothers?
    If you dig around, then the housing and communal services and roads and in general the climate in Russia will change, if you tell someone am you want to live, bring everything back
    So there is no need to put a shadow on the fence here, telling a hundred years ago, the mossy tales of home-grown liberals that debts are the main reason that we live poorly, it's 90, you have passed such nonsense, time has passed soldier , time has become different.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 52
      -1
      For starters, you can take a closer look. For example, in North Ossetia.
      1. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 1 September 2013 12: 43
        +2
        Pimply (1
        Do not worry, everything is visible and clear.
        Responsible for yours before you dispel advice on what and how to do in Russia.
        The asked-answer question, apart from the obscene grumbling, in the best traditions of the Jewish answer to the question by the question I did not hear.
    2. 31231
      31231 31 August 2013 23: 00
      +1
      Do you offer surplus allocation ?! Then these very "Abramovichi-Berezovskiy" will immediately pull the loot offshore. And the desire to invest in the Russian economy will disappear from many. For on pain of being taken away this money is stupid to invest.
      1. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 1 September 2013 12: 45
        0
        What do you suggest?
        Impunity theft, and so from Russia all these Roma, dragged 10 trillion rubles a year, so what are you sorry about the Roma?
        1. 31231
          31231 1 September 2013 16: 37
          0
          So the next legarchs should be interested in investing in Russia.
          1. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 2 September 2013 15: 12
            0
            If only all these "legarchs" were to be invested in felling.
  • Docent1984
    Docent1984 5 September 2013 14: 52
    +1
    Civil war is an armed clash between the citizens of one country. And only between them. And in Syria, on the side of the cannibals of the Syrians - the sheep sneezed ...
  • chief.matros
    chief.matros 1 September 2013 01: 29
    +1
    and that people, we are all just statistics and the electorate
  • tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 31 August 2013 07: 29
    +14
    Strange Jews, even analyze neahti. Arms supply is not related to cash profit. We have an enemy on the far reaches, respectively, decisions are being made.
    1. a52333
      a52333 31 August 2013 08: 05
      +4
      I would also add for the money: the success of the Russian economy depends to a large extent on foreign policy. The sooner the United States "closes in", the more confident steps can be taken in the domestic economy. As these racketeers are blown away, the GDP will deoffshore enterprises, the Central Bank will stop pumping out, and our economy is in good order, only profits are pumped out of the country.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 12
        -4
        I recommend recalling what happened the last time when relatively small fluctuations went on in the US economic market.
        1. poquello
          poquello 31 August 2013 14: 46
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          I recommend recalling what happened the last time when relatively small fluctuations went on in the US economic market.


          Yes, everything is done with the conclusions sucks or imperceptibly. There are few steps to avoid the dollar turnover.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 01
            0
            It's not just about dollars. The US economy has an impact in all areas. Both in the real sector (supply of products, etc.), and in the scientific and financial.
            1. poquello
              poquello 31 August 2013 16: 02
              +2
              Quote: Pimply
              It's not just about dollars. The US economy has an impact in all areas. Both in the real sector (supply of products, etc.), and in the scientific and financial.

              At the level of transnational corporations, and this is not the same influence, the market is geographically large and, if anything, will switch to internal relations.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 03
                0
                Not only. In addition, TNCs affect almost all areas. But besides TNCs, these are finances, philosophy, the military sphere, science, food, etc. etc. This is a general direction of movement. Whatever they say, the States are now that power, whose ideas everyone is guided by. Take at least smartphones - like a trifle. But a trifle that turned the world upside down.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 31 August 2013 18: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Not only. In addition, TNCs affect almost all areas. But besides TNCs, these are finances, philosophy, the military sphere, science, food, etc. etc. This is a general direction of movement. Whatever they say, the States are now that power, whose ideas everyone is guided by. Take at least smartphones - like a trifle. But a trifle that turned the world upside down.

                  The role of the American economy is extremely high.
                  PDA I have a Chinese two-headed on the android.
                  What is there about android and the economy mentioned? Androyd is a modified ubuntu, ubuntu is a Linux version, frivolous.
                  What are the ideas of the states, all that they would have done without them would have done others. A holy place is never empty.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 31 August 2013 19: 15
                    0
                    Quote: poquello
                    Androyd is a modified ubuntu, ubuntu is a Linux version, frivolous.

                    But your phone is not on ubuntu, right? Because the android from the source has gone very far.
                    Where did the sims, cell phones, smartphones appear?

                    Quote: poquello
                    The role of the American economy is extremely high.

                    Rather, it is underestimated by you.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 31 August 2013 19: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Quote: poquello
                      Androyd is a modified ubuntu, ubuntu is a Linux version, frivolous.

                      But your phone is not on ubuntu, right? Because the android from the source has gone very far.
                      Where did the sims, cell phones, smartphones appear?

                      So now the ubuntu mobile is released and will be on ubuntu.
                      You want to say that SIM cards, cell phones, smartphones would not have appeared at all? )))
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 31 August 2013 19: 55
                        0
                        Will not be. They did not collect this on a mobile phone. Remind me what percentage of computers on Linux?
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 31 August 2013 20: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Will not be. They did not collect this on a mobile phone. Remind me what percentage of computers on Linux?


                        Oh well
                        "The two most famous open source platforms Firefox OS and Ubuntu Mobile are shaping ecosystems of telecom operators, hardware manufacturers and developers around them in the hope of entering the mobile market fully armed."
                        http://www.pcweek.ru/mobile/blog/mobile/5057.php

                        The percentage of computers on Linux is growing steadily, despite the lack of money for bribes for corporate clients.
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 31 August 2013 20: 19
                        0
                        How many years does it grow steadily? And in what tenths of a percent?

                        Distribution by region:
                        Europe 1.14%
                        South America 0.88%
                        North America 0.72%
                        Oceania 0.72%
                        Africa 0.45%
                        Asia 0.34%
                      4. poquello
                        poquello 31 August 2013 21: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        How many years does it grow steadily? And in what tenths of a percent?

                        your desktop and curve here on the servers is really old
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 53
                        0
                        The picture does not plow
                      6. poquello
                        poquello 1 September 2013 22: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        The picture does not plow

                        this fresher, it disappeared and I also disappeared.
                        http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/01/03/january-2012-web-server-survey.html
                2. chief.matros
                  chief.matros 1 September 2013 03: 54
                  +1
                  Linux is a constructor (he started using it in 2009 himself), but if you configure the machine, there will be Bull power (apt-get). Viruses to the bulb, whatever they write about it, it is a pity that there are no ready-made distributions at once (mandriva, etc., is not yet a complete distr). And if there were, I’ll immediately put the buggy Windu on the shelf
                3. poquello
                  poquello 1 September 2013 22: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: chief.matros
                  Linux is a constructor (he started using it in 2009 himself), but if you configure the machine, there will be Bull power (apt-get). Viruses to the bulb, whatever they write about it, it is a pity that there are no ready-made distributions at once (mandriva, etc., is not yet a complete distr). And if there were, I’ll immediately put the buggy Windu on the shelf

                  You lagged behind life, if not in toys (or for toys, the machine emulates the box normally holds), then with good Internet, the Windows just rests. I have PFR with gnome 3 costs with licensed 7vinda, Windows dusting.
        2. chief.matros
          chief.matros 1 September 2013 03: 39
          0
          the first prototype of the cell phone originated in the USSR, I do not argue about the rest
  • Che
    Che 31 August 2013 17: 54
    +3
    Pimply in the silicon valley our guys have enough, here you are right. With amers in science and high technology, cooperation will not hurt. But their green candy wrappers should be disposed of as quickly as possible. It will be better to buy on shekels, tugriks, yen, yuan and other lira.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 18: 47
      0
      Quote: Che
      But their green candy wrappers should be disposed of as quickly as possible. It will be better to buy on shekels, tugriks, yen, yuan and other lira.


      What is the alternative to green candy wrappers? Euro? With problems in half of the European countries? Yuan? With an artificially undervalued exchange rate, falling economic growth, and nervous attempts by the Chinese to reorient themselves to the domestic market? Yen - with their recession and stagnation, from which they are just getting out? Won - with the likelihood of a big war with the DPRK? Rupees - with an unstable situation on the border with Pakistan. Pounds? Rubles? Gold - just collapsed in price by 15%? What exactly will replace what you call "candy wrappers".
      1. chief.matros
        chief.matros 1 September 2013 03: 57
        +1
        pounds and Australian dollars, only you will not find them in exchangers
      2. Sandov
        Sandov 1 September 2013 12: 34
        +1
        Pimply, but the shekel's abilities were not evaluated. Settlements in national currencies. And all in chocolate.
  • chief.matros
    chief.matros 1 September 2013 03: 36
    0
    If you are talking about 2008, then remember what caused the crisis? You want for sure, but on energy carriers, and with what place he should have touched us, but no one. What in Russia nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations, thermal power plants, oil and gas production stopped? Just picked up in the desire to weld.
  • 31231
    31231 31 August 2013 16: 54
    +1
    here I agree with Pupyrchaty. If now comes the economic pestle of the United States, then it will not seem to everyone. All the same, their economy is the first in the world. Yes, if there was a fifth, still the whole world would shake violently.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 31 August 2013 08: 08
    +8
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Strange Jews, even analyze neahti. Arms supply is not related to cash profit. We have an enemy on the far reaches, respectively, decisions are being made.


    They "analyze" everything correctly ...

    Similar articles are written based on the Russian layman, not too sophisticated in politics, with the aim of creating in him uncertainty about the actions of our state
    1. chief.matros
      chief.matros 1 September 2013 05: 15
      +1
      But they are Jews, even those born in the USSR and Russia cannot understand that Moscow is not all of Russia
  • rolik
    rolik 31 August 2013 09: 32
    +11
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Strange Jews

    No, the ordinary ones are terry Jews. Missiles will fall on their heads, and at this time count how much money the enemy fired at them)))))
    There was one case, acquaintances told, they are engaged in the manufacture of monuments and other funeral services. Mom and daughter, Jewish women, came to their workshop. Monument only to the late father of the family to order. They stand and remember the dead dad with all sorts of good words, just buried. And then the daughter says to her mother:
    - Mom, remember, dad borrowed 2000 rubles from us. When will you give them to me ???
    Well, that's basically it. Comments are not required. Even over the fresh grave of the closest person, the father, Jewish nature takes its toll.
    1. Dober
      Dober 1 September 2013 00: 46
      +1
      Quote: rolik
      There was one case, acquaintances told

      And I read (on one of the forums) about this.
      One commerce in the synagogue approaches the rabbi. And this is in front of "witnesses" and says
      “I want to donate to the synagogue 1000 (whether shekels bucks, that’s not the point), but can you, rabbi, write me a check for 10?”
      I need to report to the tax authorities ...
      “Yes, of course, brother.” This is a God-pleasing business.

      Whom did they end up together? "Their own" state, and taxpayers and other "compatriots" consuming the budget ...
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 31 August 2013 10: 43
    +3
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Strange Jews, even analyze neahti.

    The main thing here is to show yourself smarter and more competent than the rest, to throw the listener with numbers and terms. Let them look for what and where it came from and understand the terms. The rest is the little things in life.
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 31 August 2013 21: 55
    +6
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    We have an enemy on the far reaches, respectively, decisions are being made.

    It’s better not to fight on your own land.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 1 September 2013 00: 27
      -2
      Resources needed for war
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 1 September 2013 00: 38
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        Resources needed for war

        If war is inevitable, it must be "moved" to someone else's territory.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 18
          0
          Yeah, only war on foreign territory requires resources. Think why the Yankees are not fighting alone?
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 1 September 2013 01: 32
            +5
            Quote: Pimply
            Yeah, only war on foreign territory requires resources. Think why the Yankees are not fighting alone?

            We move away from the topic ...
            I see the war in Syria as an attempt to postpone the inevitable, in the event of Assad's defeat, "Islamic Reconquista" in Russia.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 28
              -3
              What's in Russia now? Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Dagestan, Chechnya. The restructuring of the country, a tough fight against corruption, the return of confidence in the judiciary, and the construction of social elevators can really push back the "Islamic Reconquista". And when people see no way out, they look for a way out in Gd. And they often look for the most radical ways to express faith.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 1 September 2013 10: 07
                +4
                Quote: Pimply
                What is in Russia now? Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Dagestan, Chechnya. The restructuring of the country, a tough fight against corruption, the return of confidence in the judiciary, and the construction of social elevators can really push back the "Islamic Reconquista".

                Well, downright "April Theses" in the newest edition ...
                The more owners of thickets on the face with sacred lice that do not return to the republics you have listed, the more lives will be saved.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 31 August 2013 07: 33
    +25
    Article minus. We are not Israelis, we are Russians. Our friendship is not measured by profit.
    If we are attacked, we won’t consider whether we can afford to launch this rocket or fly that plane, we will fight to the last opportunity, and when the possibilities are exhausted, we will fight without any opportunities. And believe me, even having gone to a steep minus, we will continue to destroy the aggressor.
    Not everything in this world can be measured by profit.

    Sincerely.
    1. atalef
      31 August 2013 09: 44
      -15%
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Our friendship is not measured by profit

      Have the Syrians ever been allies of Russia? So, to understand. Can Syria ever positioned itself that way? I do not remember
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Arms supply not related to cash profit

      Well, debts have been written off to 100 billion (in general, Syria is only 15), and which of them remained at least as allies?
      Year 2000. Write-off of 11-billionth (in dollar equivalent) debt to Vietnam.
      Year 2003. Write-off of Iraqi debt in the amount of 12 billion dollars.
      Year 2007. Russia is writing off 4,7 billion debt to Algeria in exchange for assurances from the Algerian authorities that new contracts were signed with Russia in the military-industrial sphere.
      Year 2007. Mongolia debited debt in 11,1 billion dollars.
      Year 2007. Russia forgives Afghanistan the same (about 11 billion dollars) amount of debt.
      Year 2008. Russia, in exchange for lucrative contracts, is writing off 4,6 billions of dollars of debt to Libya. Contracts then had to be quickly curtailed due to known events.
      Year 2010. Mongolia again. Write-off of Russian (non-Soviet) debt in the amount of 168 millions (not billions) of dollars.
      Year 2012. The Russian Federation is writing off a number of African countries debt of about 20 billion dollars.
      Year 2012. Written off 11-billionth (some kind of magic number of debt) DPRK.
      Year 2012. Debt of Kyrgyzstan in the amount of about 0,5 billion was written off.
      Year 2013. The Cuban debt is being restructured, which, according to some sources, amounts to about 30 billion dollars.

      Of course, money does not play a role, there is apparently nothing to do with it in Russia, roads are built, pensions and healthcare are in order. You can scatter the dough receiving zero at the output.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 31 August 2013 10: 17
        +11
        Quote: atalef
        Have the Syrians ever been allies of Russia? So, to understand. Can Syria ever positioned itself that way? I do not remember


        The state, I repeat, the STATE of Israel, despite the abundance of our former compatriots in its composition, ALSO does not belong to our allies (for some reason request ). But this is not an obstacle to come to your aid when you really need it ... although your interests are more extended in the field of cooperation with the US aggressor and you count on their help.
        But then to each his own ...

        And again, the Jews-MONEY MONEY MONEY... and SO ad infinitum.
        1. igor67
          igor67 31 August 2013 14: 19
          -2
          [quote = Corsair] [quote = atalef] Have the Syrians ever been allies of Russia? So, to understand. Can Syria ever positioned itself that way? I do not remember [/ quote]

          The state, I repeat, the STATE of Israel, despite the abundance of our former compatriots in its composition, ALSO does not belong to the circle of our allies (for some reason
          Mosmetrostroy built a tunnel between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
          August 29, 2013, 19:14 Print version
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          Mosmetrostroy has completed the construction of a tunnel for the Tel Aviv-Jerusalem high-speed railway, company management officials said.


          The work was done far ahead of schedule. The length of the tunnel is 3,5 km, ITAR-TASS reports.
          “We have now successfully completed our part of the construction here a little earlier than the stipulated time,” said Evgeny Kashin, chairman of the board of directors of Mosmetrostroy. “Our Israeli partner, the well-known and powerful company Menrav, is pleased with this cooperation as much as we are,” he emphasized.
          Several dozen Russian and Israeli experts gathered in the Judean mountains near Latrun, where a tunneling shield emerged from the mountainside, completing the tunnel. Mosmetrostroy in cooperation with the Israeli company Menrav broke two parallel tunnels in the mountain range halfway between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem with a total length of 7 km - 3,5 km in each direction.
          At Baikonur, preparations have begun to launch the Zenit-2SB launch vehicle, which, together with the DM-SLB booster, will be required to launch the Israeli telecommunications spacecraft Amos-4 into orbit,

          The launch of the Zenit-2SB space rocket with the DM-SLB booster block and the Amos-4 Israeli telecommunication spacecraft is planned to be carried out on September 1, 2013. (Dozens of joint launches already) continue about how it is not in the circle of interests? Continue:
          The leading Israeli company ECI Telecom entered the Russian market back in 1996. Now about 50% of Russian fiber-optic networks are built using ECI equipment. The joint work of ECI and VimpelCom on the construction of the Beeline GSM network began in 1996, and as a result of the work it provides GSM services to 43 million subscribers in Russia. Now this network covers thousands of kilometers and hundreds of settlements throughout Russia. VimpelCom has implemented over 1 multiplexers XDM, Syncom and other innovative ECI solutions. It is not excluded that ECI's success will be supported by the transfer of part of the company's production facilities to Russian soil.

          The Israeli company Alvarion, a recognized leader in WiMAX technology, has supplied more than 150 wireless networks of the 802.16-2004 standard to Russia. The BreezeMAX 3500 system, developed by Alvarion, is designed to build carrier-grade wireless access networks with high quality services, such as Internet access, virtual private networks (VPNs), telephony, television services and video conferencing. mobile broadband radio access using smartphones, PDAs and laptops. As part of an agreement on military-technical cooperation in the interests of third countries, Russian and Israeli military-industrial complex enterprises took part in joint large-scale projects. TANTK named after Beriev and the Israeli firm "Elta" (IAI branch, Israel Airc-raft Industry) have shared the contract for the supply to India of three Israeli Phalcon early warning and control systems (AWACS) mounted on Russian Il- 76 for a total amount of 1,25 billion dollars. And in the end now again accuse that everything is in money, and the opening of a monument to Soviet soldiers liberators, and the family ties of people?
          1. poquello
            poquello 31 August 2013 15: 47
            +6
            Quote: igor67
            Quote: atalef
            Have the Syrians ever been allies of Russia? So, to understand. Can Syria ever positioned itself that way? I do not remember


            The state, I repeat, the STATE of Israel, despite the abundance of our former compatriots in its composition, ALSO does not belong to our allies (for some reason .......
            And in the end, now again blame that everything is in the money, and the opening of the monument to Soviet soldiers liberators, and family ties of people?


            This is generally not the case. Israel is a great friend of the United States, the United States are great friends of the Syrian revolutionary rabble, the Syrian revolutionary rabble is a gang of pedophiles and sadists. Tell who your friend is ...
            Our Syrian friends crush pedophiles and sadists. So far so.
            1. igor67
              igor67 31 August 2013 16: 03
              +1
              [quote = poquello] [It always amazes me that this is a geyropa and a blue USA, but what was the use of a criminal article in the Union for cheating and molestation of minors (pedophilia)? Enough to be goodies, look around you, how many people around Russia are around with gay people, they didn’t appear now, but far yesterday, I remember I was a kid and then I didn’t understand what kind of men they were standing under the fence of an RF, and they took the soldiers away somewhere, I saw it’s already with adult eyes, it’s horror, but it is present
              1. poquello
                poquello 31 August 2013 16: 49
                +1
                Quote: igor67
                It always amazes me that this is a geyropa and a blue USA, but what was the use of a criminal article in the Union for cheating and molestation of minors (pedophilia)? Stop being hypocrites, look around you, how many people around Russia are gay, they didn’t appear ..

                Blue is really full, but they live quietly and calmly if they do not show off with their blueness. The rapists are punished, there have been cases of the village gathering rose if doubts are not punished.
                And how can I support gangs of rapists of young children in my head does not fit, I think not one. Friends of Syrian pedophiles - USA, what's wrong?
                1. igor67
                  igor67 31 August 2013 16: 59
                  +1
                  [quote = poquello] [quote = igor67]
                  And how can I support gangs of rapists of young children in my head does not fit, I think not one. Friends of Syrian pedophiles - USA, what's wrong? [/ Quote]
                  Not that for example, in the same Gaza that Russia supports, they also marry little girls, in our understanding, this is pedophilia, more than 500 couples at the same time, what should I call it?
                  1. Che
                    Che 31 August 2013 18: 11
                    +2
                    Where the authorities look, it must be castrated. Pedophilia is disgusting everywhere.
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 31 August 2013 18: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: Che
                      Where the authorities look, it must be castrated. Pedophilia is disgusting everywhere.

                      Hamas authorities sponsored this massive wedding: http://majniagen.livejournal.com/119278.html
                    2. Pimply
                      Pimply 31 August 2013 18: 51
                      0
                      This is one of the sides of Islam. As, for example, Shiite "temporary" marriage, legalized prostitution. Have you heard of this?

                      However, it all depends on the traditions of a particular place or country.
                      1. Dober
                        Dober 1 September 2013 01: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Pimply
                        However, it all depends on the traditions of a particular place or country.

                        Much wider ...
                        Mohammed (54 years old) married a 12 year old girl.
                        Now it would fall under the article on "sexual abuse", but not everywhere in the world.
                        Therefore, the igor67 example is incorrect. A similar photo can be made (theoretically) in many parts of the world where Islam is practiced.
                        In countries "not supported" by Russia. What does Gaza have to do with it?
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 1 September 2013 01: 49
                        +3
                        Quote: Dober

                        Mohammed (54 years old) married a 12 year old girl.
                        Now it would fall under the article on "sexual abuse", but not everywhere in the world.
                        Therefore, the igor67 example is incorrect. A similar photo can be made (theoretically) in many parts of the world where Islam is practiced.
                        In countries "not supported" by Russia. What does Gaza have to do with it?

                        I’ll add on my own that they begin to sleep with them after the puberty of the wives, but rather early, but not at all in the age in the photo.
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 30
                        -3
                        We will be more exact - 6-year-old. And he sat with her when she was 9.

                        Quote: Dober
                        Strip?
                        Well, despite the fact that often the guys from Gaza are Assad's direct allies. It’s just a return to the topic of pedophiles.
                    3. alone
                      alone 1 September 2013 13: 53
                      0
                      I've heard about it. Iranians call it "sige". And the worst thing is that it is not accepted in Islam.
                2. poquello
                  poquello 31 August 2013 18: 54
                  +1
                  [quote = igor67] [quote = poquello] [quote = igor67]
                  And how can I support gangs of rapists of young children in my head does not fit, I think not one. Friends of Syrian pedophiles - USA, what's wrong? [/ Quote]
                  Not that for example, in the same Gaza that Russia supports, they also marry little girls, in our understanding, this is pedophilia, more than 500 couples at the same time, what should I call it? [/ Quote]

                  Che and straight to bed?
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 31 August 2013 19: 15
                    +1
                    In general - often. But this is more of a recent trend and the radicalization of Islam.
                3. Docent1984
                  Docent1984 5 September 2013 15: 00
                  +1
                  Dear, what is the "support" for Gaza? Is it that our Foreign Ministry is essentially the only organization with which they agree at least to communicate?
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 06
                -5
                Quote: poquello
                And how can I support gangs of rapists of young children in my head does not fit, I think not one. Friends of Syrian pedophiles - USA, what's wrong?

                Tell me, what have you read? In Syria there is a civil war, and the stigmas in the cannon of both those and others. Sunnis shoot teenagers who say something wrong, the Alawites of the same teenagers simply bomb. There is a civil war. Bloody and ugly everyday. Where did you get the gangs of pedophiles from?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 31 August 2013 18: 26
                  +3


                  correctly seen enough
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 31 August 2013 18: 53
                    -6
                    Work as a journalist for about a year - and then you will understand how such reports sculpt.
                    1. Dober
                      Dober 1 September 2013 01: 28
                      +8
                      Quote: Pimply
                      how such reports sculpt.

                      Well, you still ...
                      And you say that you fought ... You drive as always ...
                      Settled in Russia, you crap at her for the fact that she somehow supports the Syrians and still constantly knock on the admins for the "non-tolerant" attitude towards you.
                      Watch the movie. There, one says that there is a Jewish quarter in the city and those who hate the Syrians live normally there. Paradox? Not at all ... History is replete with similar facts.

                      For the future. Before someone from the members of the forum write "get ready to Syria", look for your relatives in that quarter and stay with them for a couple of months. Then you present us with the "truthful report". You look, people will respect it and there will be fewer reasons for crying for the modders ...
                    2. Pimply
                      Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 40
                      -6
                      Quote: Dober
                      Well, you still ...
                      And you say that you fought ... You drive as always ...

                      Well, of course, it's easier to explain everything.

                      The question is not the situation, the question is how propaganda is done. It may be true, it may be a lie. And the exact same story will be about a Sunni girl - only you will scream that this is a lie.

                      Quote: Dober
                      For the future. Before someone from the members of the forum write "get ready to Syria", look for your relatives in that quarter and stay with them for a couple of months. Then you present us with the "truthful report". You look, people will respect it and there will be fewer reasons for crying for the modders ...

                      My friend, if you think that at least something you say touches me, don’t make me laugh. I lived under the rockets sponsored by the Syrians, a month old. Unlike you, it was under rocket fire. I was blown up several times with money sent by the Syrians and Iran. I detained suicide bombers that Syria paid for. Boy, your attempts are ridiculous. Take a trip to Syria, say, in some of the Sunni areas, after we talk 8)
                    3. Dober
                      Dober 1 September 2013 21: 54
                      +4
                      Quote: Pimply
                      I lived under the rockets sponsored by the Syrians, a month old. Unlike you, it was under rocket fire. I was blown up several times with money sent by the Syrians and Iran. I detained suicide bombers

                      This is definitely a heroic act. In the spirit of the valiant division of "Tashkent Accountants" in the Second World War.
                      To get my pants dirty in a bomb shelter for a month, and then look through the scope at a stoned woman in a burqa ... And what is the reward for such "military actions"? A trip to Russia for permanent residence and the opportunity to stand in a deflection in front of Obama-mom on the VO website?
                      As for aid to Syria, I have already sent loot twice through the Russian Orthodox Church. And I will send more. I am glad to know that in 9 collected lyamas there is also my "Eurik". As the saying goes "how can I ..."
                      And I would like to specifically buy a truck
                      or a sight for a tank, a guidance head for a rocket, or even a barrel of fuel.
                      Thank God there are remedies and health. There is also a desire and the opportunity to go on your own, when there is an urgent need for me. 3-4 hours to the airport and 3 hours by plane - I'm already in Moscow or in Novorossiysk on board the BDK. Although I have nothing to do with the ground forces in the military academy, no one has deprived me of Russian citizenship and the military ID has not been taken away ...

                      Today I spoke with a German friend and he asked me to convey something like the following:
                      "From what arian huya I have to pay every month for you parts for submarines or pensions for such ghouls like you, who smack on the palais, who once" handed over the corner "to you. For this you will be answered."
                      To his words, and I will join!
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Boy, your attempts are ridiculous.

                      "Attempts" of my "friend" are not so funny, but PHYSIOLOGICAL.
                      Many, even on this site, are ready to turn to such a "pimply" like FRIEND? There are only a few of them, and even then, tribesmen.
                      Real people, living from Sweden to Croatia, and from Russia to Canada, call me that.
              3. Sandov
                Sandov 1 September 2013 12: 41
                +3
                Popov if I’m not mistaken. Good journalist.
            2. Docent1984
              Docent1984 5 September 2013 15: 04
              +1
              Not pedophiles, but cannibals. There is no civil war there, citizens among the "opposition" with a gulkin's nose ...
        2. Che
          Che 31 August 2013 17: 57
          +3
          That is why these pedros do not need to indulge. Although I was lucky during my childhood, I did not meet this fraternity. Although he lived in the Urals, there were many colonies there.
    2. Che
      Che 31 August 2013 18: 06
      +2
      Is Russia cooperating with Israel? I don’t see anything bad. It's good. But behind our back to arm bandiuk. This is bad. Remember Mayakovsky. What is good and what is bad.
      1. igor67
        igor67 31 August 2013 18: 12
        -3
        Quote: Che
        Is Russia cooperating with Israel? I don’t see anything bad. It's good. But behind our back to arm bandiuk. This is bad. Remember Mayakovsky. What is good and what is bad.

        Again, you are right to arm not well behind your back, this is how you think it was normal for Syria to arm the Lebanese hezbola (notice this is not a government army, but an organization) with missiles and anti-tank missiles, from which many citizens died, or are Israelis (I write Israelis, because rockets killed not only Jews, a lot of Arabs and Russians and Ukrainians)
        1. Che
          Che 31 August 2013 18: 21
          +2
          Well, liberation movements are always taking place. Che Guevara is a prime example. They can not even be closely compared with rats capturing Syria. The Rat King in Saudi Arabia? A persistent tin soldier wets rats.
          1. igor67
            igor67 31 August 2013 18: 38
            +2
            Quote: Che
            Well, liberation movements are always taking place. Che Guevara is a prime example. They can not even be closely compared with rats capturing Syria. The Rat King in Saudi Arabia? A persistent tin soldier wets rats.

            This liberation movement had already been written out and the King of Jordan kicked out in due time and really can’t be compared with Che, only for what they did to the Lebanese Christians, on whose lands they now live. Moreover, with all this, the rockets and anti-tank missiles were delivered illegally anyway , in an agreement with the Russian side, transferring PTC Cornet to other hands is prohibited
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 31 August 2013 19: 00
            -3
            Quote: Che
            Che Guevara is a prime example. They can’t even be closely compared with rats invading Syria.

            Why not? Murder of civilians and representatives of the authorities, rape, robbery, drug production, prostitution, racketeering - many "liberation" movements are involved in this.

            "Che Guevara instructed the judges:" You should not arrange red tape with trials. This is a revolution, the evidence is secondary. We must act on conviction. They are all a gang of criminals and murderers. In addition, it should be remembered that there is an appeal tribunal. " , whose chairman was Che himself, did not overturn a single sentence. "

            Che Guevara, the former commandant of the prison and the head of the appeals tribunal, personally administered the executions in the Havana prison fortress of La Cabania. After Castro’s supporters came to power in Cuba, more than eight thousand people were shot, many without trial or investigation.

            And about how Che burned villages with peasants, planting his policy, do you know?
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 1 September 2013 12: 48
              +3
              Pimpy. I read a lot of documents about Che Guevara. This is a trustworthy person, unlike his killers. With such a person, I would go into battle. And all this dregs you brought about about Che is complete crap. I still remember songs about Cuba. We then raved about her.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 31 August 2013 10: 51
    +6
    Quote: atalef
    Well, already for 100 billion debts written off

    I understand perfectly when the Israeli will cite similar figures about Amer’s material assistance to Israel. But counting money in someone else's wallet, phew, how disgusting. But not only the Israelis, but also those who remained in Russia, suffer greatly from this.
    Alexander, and tell all honest people how and how much Israel receives from the Pindoras. Including not only official, but also financial assistance hidden under any kind. Directly from the USA, from the Pentagon and others, and so on.
    1. atalef
      31 August 2013 15: 52
      -4
      Quote: Hedgehog
      I understand perfectly when the Israeli will cite similar figures about Amer’s material assistance to Israel. But counting money in someone else's wallet, phew, how disgusting.

      Well, when there is nothing to cover - this is the only thing that can be said. By the way, I am a citizen of Russia like you. request

      Quote: Hedgehog
      Alexander, and tell the whole honest people how and how much Israel receives from the Pindoras

      Exactly as much as Egypt receives (this is according to the Camp David accords) And all this is cashless for the purchase of exclusively American weapons (there is no real money there). Yes, 1000 has already been written about this.
      Quote: Hedgehog
      Including not only official, but also financial assistance hidden under any kind.

      Like what ? I did not understand what it was all about.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 31 August 2013 21: 12
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Like what ? I do not understand what it is about

        This is exactly what I expected. In addition to funds from the state, and we know this, there are "gifts @ from the Pentagon, information about which is carefully hidden and withheld. And how many favors are forgiven to Israel? And this is also a help!
  • Che
    Che 31 August 2013 10: 53
    +6
    Atalef cannot be destroyed Syria, that’s the whole point. Russia cannot afford such a luxury. Amer do not care, they will always buy 6-ku.
  • Far East
    Far East 31 August 2013 10: 58
    +7
    Quote: atalef
    Of course, money does not play a role, there is apparently nothing to do with it in Russia, roads are built, pensions and healthcare are in order. You can scatter the dough receiving zero at the output.

    respected! read better LN Andreev (1871-1919) here is a quote! "When one honest person is beaten, all honest people should experience pain, indignation, and torment of trampled human dignity." AS EXACTLY SAID! "money does not correct the injustices of nature, but deepens them." hi
    1. atalef
      31 August 2013 15: 53
      -4
      Quote: Far East
      respected! read better LN Andreev (1871-1919) here is a quote! "When one honest person is beaten, all honest persons must experience pain, indignation, and torment of trampled human dignity

      Assad is an honest person, well, do not distort. No need to make of it the conscience of the era.
      1. poquello
        poquello 31 August 2013 16: 15
        +9
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Far East
        respected! read better LN Andreev (1871-1919) here is a quote! "When one honest person is beaten, all honest persons must experience pain, indignation, and torment of trampled human dignity

        Assad is an honest person, well, do not distort. No need to make of it the conscience of the era.


        Assad’s army is doing the right thing - it kills pedophiles and other scumbags, there are no contradictions in my conscience. And the murdered Muammar in terms of conscience is more furious than a black miscarriage.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 13
          -5
          A child killed in a Syrian air raid on the city of Duma. There are many such photos. Do you think that Assad really cares about the Syrian children, and against him are evil cannibals? The cannibals there are now fighting on both sides. There are photos from the massacre of Sunnis in the vicinity of Damascus, or, for example, in the city of Banias. However, there are more than enough photographs of the atrocities of the rebels.
          1. poquello
            poquello 31 August 2013 18: 07
            +4
            Quote: Pimply
            A child killed in a Syrian air raid on the city of Duma. There are many such photos. Do you think that Assad really cares about the Syrian children, and against him are evil cannibals? The cannibals there are now fighting on both sides. There are photos from the massacre of Sunnis in the vicinity of Damascus, or, for example, in the city of Banias. However, there are more than enough photographs of the atrocities of the rebels.

            The child killed in the Air Force raid is an evil accident of the war, waiting for examples when the soldiers of Assad’s army rape and kill six-year-old children, cut out children from the stomachs of pregnant women. It is yours on either side.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2013 19: 10
              0
              Quote: poquello
              The child killed in the Air Force raid is an evil accident of the war, waiting for examples when the soldiers of Assad’s army rape and kill six-year-old children, cut out children from the stomachs of pregnant women. It is yours on either side.

              Something there are too many such accidents. When there is a tough bombing of residential areas.

              But you asked for examples - please. 116 people in the city of Hula. The guys from "Shabih" were having fun. At least 30 children killed. This was back when people were demonstrating.

              After the demonstration, the city came under artillery fire, and at that time the rebels did not yet have heavy weapons. UN monitors, who arrived in Hulu shortly after the massacre, came to the unequivocal conclusion: the city had just come under artillery fire - some of the ruins were still smoking. Even Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was forced to admit the use of heavy weapons, who blamed "both sides" for what had happened.

              And further on, the cleansing was done by the Assad guys.
              Well, the guys and the SSA also then began to try no less.

              You are not defending a pure and white ruler here. Grow up. Assad guys are exactly the same bloody killers.

              In Syria, there is a bloody, and, unfortunately, completely classic civil war. And civil war is always a massacre.
              1. poquello
                poquello 31 August 2013 20: 01
                +4
                Quote: Pimply
                Quote: poquello
                The child killed in the Air Force raid is an evil accident of the war, waiting for examples when the soldiers of Assad’s army rape and kill six-year-old children, cut out children from the stomachs of pregnant women. It is yours on either side.

                Something there are too many such accidents. When there is a tough bombing of residential areas.

                But you asked for examples - please. 116 people in the city of Hula. The guys from "Shabih" were having fun. At least 30 children killed. This was back when people were demonstrating.

                and where are the examples when Assad soldiers rape and kill six-year-old children, they slaughter children from the stomachs of pregnant women?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 August 2013 20: 21
                  -3
                  Quote: poquello
                  and where are the examples when the soldiers of Assad’s army rape and kill six-year-old children, cut children out of the stomachs of pregnant women?

                  Well, I generally had no doubt that you would have something like that. You are ready to unconditionally accept everything in Assad’s defense, and you will unconditionally listen to everything that his opponents will blame.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 1 September 2013 01: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Quote: poquello
                    and where are the examples when the soldiers of Assad’s army rape and kill six-year-old children, cut children out of the stomachs of pregnant women?

                    Well, I generally had no doubt that you would have something like that. You are ready to unconditionally accept everything in Assad’s defense, and you will unconditionally listen to everything that his opponents will blame.


                    As I understand it, there were no such terrible actions on the part of Assad's fighters, now the song "everyone is lying" has gone. Congratulations - you have joined the Snowden NSA Choir.
                  2. Pimply
                    Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 43
                    -1
                    Quote: poquello
                    As I understand it, there were no such terrible actions on the part of Assad's fighters, now the song "everyone is lying" has gone. Congratulations - you have joined the Snowden NSA Choir.

                    No, there’s dozens of videos and evidence. Only you are not ready to accept them. Assad for you will be a knight on a white horse, in shining armor. It will be funniest if you somehow accidentally break your pink glasses. A friend of mine did this when a rocket fell next to him. But man was a left-wing radical, organized Palestinian demonstrations, lived with an Arab woman.
                  3. poquello
                    poquello 1 September 2013 03: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Pimply

                    No, there’s dozens of videos and evidence.

                    so I’m a dozen and did not ask me a pair completely,
                    when Assad soldiers rape and kill six-year-old children, they slaughter children from the stomachs of pregnant women. Where?
          2. 31231
            31231 31 August 2013 20: 08
            +3
            Dada, remember. And ATS sew the use of chemistry.
            Photo of the corpses of children, where is the evidence that this is ATS ?!
            Eating entrails, thrashed, orders by minors to kill opponents of rebels, all this is on YouTube.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2013 20: 34
              -1
              Quote: 31231
              Eating entrails, thrashed, orders by minors to kill opponents of rebels, all this is on YouTube.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=buBXC2NQTm0&bpctr=1377968
              008

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEIs1uQMu2U

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8J24qkT6aM

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rhdYI8PO1A&bpctr=1377968366

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4X8S_LH0mM

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iduKnY32GhA

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPgyCVdff5Q

              Government troops are having fun

              By the way, here is Baniyas
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bUj7oN4Ef0

              Also a few killed and burned children.

              You can dig a lot there, dozens of videos. But this, apparently, is the invention of the Zionist propaganda. However, I repeat, the opposite side is no better.
              1. 31231
                31231 31 August 2013 21: 03
                +1
                By video:
                1. I didn’t even understand who it was or what it was. Some kind of masquerade.
                2. The second video is similar. People in camouflage beat civilians. The beaters are not visible.
                3. The victims. Whose?! I don’t know Arabic. I guess that whoever filmed this believes that Assad’s warriors. Or maybe he did it ?!
                4. A dead child is lying. Who killed is absolutely incomprehensible.
                5. A girl who came under shelling. It is possible that under the shelling of the SAR. For even drones of Americans are killed in Pakistan by mistake of civilians. And the warrior didn’t kill alone. This is war.
                6. Again the murdered child. The authors of the video claim to be Assad thugs.
                About Banias in the same vein, there are victims, killers of nemae. Only the authors of the video, like Ponti Pilates, determined that Assad's thugs.

                Can you find something like that?
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwq7zcFscBE
              2. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 31 August 2013 22: 06
                +6
                Quote: 31231
                About Banias in the same vein, there are victims, killers of nemae. Only the authors of the video, like Ponti Pilates, determined that Assad's thugs.

                Do you remember the video from the Chechen wars? The directors and producers are the same. Change operators and protagonists with extras.
              3. Pimply
                Pimply 1 September 2013 00: 38
                -4
                Well let's - all the masquerade and fake. Around the same place, they showed me here that he was made of plywood 8) The right word is ridiculous.
            2. Sandov
              Sandov 1 September 2013 12: 53
              +3
              Why rat offenses attributed to the Syrian apmiya. No need to dodge.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 31 August 2013 21: 42
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          Something there are too many such accidents. When there is a tough bombing of residential areas.

          The death of innocent people, let alone children, is a savage fact ...
          But who or what prevents potential victims from leaving the battlefield?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 54
            -1
            Quote: Corsair
            But who or what prevents potential victims from leaving the battlefield?

            As a rule - massive bombing. But often the militants. But for example, in the city of Hula, the massacre was before active hostilities began. There is a massacre, an ordinary civil war.
        3. Sandov
          Sandov 1 September 2013 12: 50
          +1
          Yes, these are victims of rats and not the Syrian Army. Why are you fooling the people?
    2. 31231
      31231 31 August 2013 20: 33
      +4
      Pimpled (1) RU Today, 18:53 ↑

      Work as a journalist for about a year - and then you will understand how such reports sculpt.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 15
        -3
        Quote: 31231
        Work as a journalist for about a year - and then you will understand how such reports sculpt.

        Well, as I expected. 8)
        Even if you poke you into reality with your face, you will deny it until the last second. Because it will diverge from what you invented.
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 31 August 2013 22: 04
      +6
      Quote: Pimply
      A child killed in a Syrian air raid on the city of Duma. There are many such photos. Do you think that Assad really cares about the Syrian children, and against him are evil cannibals?

      You, an hour not at Udugov’s, in the 1 Chechen’s, did you practice?
  • Far East
    Far East 1 September 2013 08: 39
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Assad is an honest person, well, do not distort. No need to make of it the conscience of the era.

    Yes, but I thought you were smarter hi you personally are useless, say something!
  • WASABI
    WASABI 31 August 2013 11: 07
    +8
    Quote: atalef
    Have the Syrians ever been allies of Russia?

    Quote: atalef
    I do not remember

    Just because you don’t remember this does not mean that it doesn’t or didn’t exist. The USSR and Syria have always had excellent relations, and whether you, as a citizen of Israel, do not know about this. However, then, which is not material, for you (Israel) it becomes insignificant.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 16
      +3
      Relations with Egypt were also super. So far, Egypt has not shown more candy. With Africa - until the USSR ran out of money. With Venezuela is also super - especially considering the fact that Russia gave Venezuela 4 billion loan. Belarus is just brilliance (unless it introduces blackmail on the eve of the issuance of the next tranche of several billion). Everyone is friends with Russia. I would be friends too, if I were charged 14.5 billion. But they are friends only as long as Russia gives money.
      1. WASABI
        WASABI 31 August 2013 13: 51
        +3
        Lending and distribution of debts is a common international practice. There is nothing criminal or reprehensible in this.
        But what about the American partners and "friends", of which there were especially many after the collapse of the USSR and where money from both the IMF and the USA practically poured (bypassing the IMF). Yes! And the most interesting - where is this "friendship" now and what has it resulted in for these countries?
        Somehow friendship comes to you for money ?! I know only one people who value money above all else. Apparently the breeze is blowing precisely from those parts.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 56
          +2
          Lending and cancellation of debts implies benefits for the state that deals with this. The USA does not write off debts from the bulldozer. China does not write them off. They get tremendous benefits at this expense. The way Russia writes off debts is perhaps the most illiterate approach I've seen.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 14: 00
            +1
            Let’s stop talking nonsense, write off debts to those countries that will never be able to repay them, you know, when you owe it to a person it’s not convenient to talk to him, you wait for everything when he asks for money, but you really decided to talk about serious things. Make a selection of cancellation of debts and further conclusion of contracts in different areas and you will see the reason.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2013 14: 21
              +1
              China, writing off debts to African countries, introduces there its companies, bases, firms. Africa repays by pumping resources into China.

              The United States, writing off debts, build military bases, pump oil for its own production, supply its products, and receive preferences in local markets.

              Russia is ineptly spending money. Talk to a couple of knowledgeable economists. I think they will chew you the difference.
              1. WASABI
                WASABI 31 August 2013 14: 39
                +5
                Quote: Pimply
                Russia is ineptly spending money. Talk to a couple of knowledgeable economists. I think they will chew you the difference.

                For all its mediocrity, Russia got rid of the bulk of its debts, and "knowledgeable economists" put the United States in a debt trap, from which, with all the versification of its (US) economy, they will never get out.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 August 2013 14: 43
                  0
                  Quote: VASABI
                  For all its mediocrity, Russia got rid of the bulk of its debts, and "knowledgeable economists" put the United States in a debt trap, from which, with all the versification of its (US) economy, they will never get out.

                  Remember what got rid of? Due to rising oil prices from $ 18 to 100 with a hook. And not at the expense of competent economic policy.
                  1. WASABI
                    WASABI 31 August 2013 15: 23
                    +4
                    Quote: Pimply
                    And not at the expense of competent economic policy.

                    And you think that almost 50 trillion. US Total Debt - Good Economic Policies?
                  2. chief.matros
                    chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 18
                    0
                    but for some reason, many of those here present stash all the same in $ or am I wrong?
                  3. Mature naturalist
                    Mature naturalist 1 September 2013 22: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: chief.matros
                    or am i wrong?

                    wrong.
                  4. poquello
                    poquello 1 September 2013 22: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: chief.matros
                    but for some reason, many of those here present stash all the same in $ or am I wrong?

                    You are from Russia?
                  5. Cynic
                    Cynic 2 September 2013 18: 14
                    0
                    Quote: chief.matros
                    still hold in $

                    Nope. And not in Hera identity.
                    laughing
                  6. Docent1984
                    Docent1984 5 September 2013 15: 26
                    0
                    Certainly not in them)
      2. Che
        Che 31 August 2013 18: 16
        +1
        Pimpy I hope you know which lads are closer to money, if this happens. it’s clear whose proteges near finance. Nothing will be here once the order.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 19: 11
          -2
          Quote: Che
          Pimpy I hope you know which lads are closer to money, if this happens. it’s clear whose proteges near finance. Nothing will be here once the order.

          I didn’t understand anything, excuse me.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 31 August 2013 11: 37
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    roads built, pensions and healthcare ok

    As I understand it, and in Israel, not everything is in chocolate
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 12: 11
      +1
      Quote: Hedgehog

      As I understand it, and in Israel, not everything is in chocolate

      Oh, yes, Karish has such a video on the drum, he has such a supply of alcohol that ..... wassat
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 1 September 2013 13: 00
      +2
      The hedgehog.
      Orthodox as leeches. In any religion. Yes, Jews need to restore order in their own countries, and not destroy other states.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 1 September 2013 13: 30
        +1
        Quote: Sandov
        Orthodox as leeches. In any religion

        And immediately the question. How do you feel about Orthodoxy? After all, Orthodoxy in translation into Aglitsky is also called the orthodox religion.
        By the way, the Jewish Orthodox, not all, but part, say:
        Neturei Karta considers existing Israel to be an artificial entity that contradicts the prophecies in the sacred texts. The sect believes that until this Jewish state is liquidated, the doors for the emergence of a “real” state will not open. Israel must revive and lead the Messiah, whose appearance is promised in the Torah. The members of the sect declare any other options contrary to the will of the Almighty.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 31 August 2013 11: 38
    +7
    Quote: atalef
    Well, debts have been written off to 100 billion (in general, Syria is only 15), and which of them remained at least as allies?

    Lord gentlemen, stop talking forever about debts written off. All these debts are still in the Soviet Union, and you can wait for their repayment forever, but at the same time they impede further cooperation. And all these charges are normal practice, and you, as fans of the golden calf, should be well aware.
    Europe has written off 350 billion euros in just one year, and now they have more problems.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 12: 11
      0
      Quote: Russ69

      Lord Jews

      Yes, he is not Jews laughing
      1. 31231
        31231 31 August 2013 20: 21
        0
        Is it really Onatole Wasserman ?!
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 18
      -4
      You noticed - now we are talking about 4.5 billion new debts.
    3. chief.matros
      chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 23
      0
      yes, I don’t argue with the debts of the USSR, but Russia became the successor and our teachers could get big salaries if it weren’t for these debts written off, and the European Union wrote them off within the union, they simply transferred money from one account of Europe to another account, but in fact they they didn’t leave anywhere for the hill
  • 31231
    31231 31 August 2013 16: 59
    +1
    And then a Jew, and this one, also counts money. Debts then the USSR as BE.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 31
      -1
      Quote: 31231
      And then a Jew, and this one, also counts money. Debts then the USSR as BE.

      What is your problem?
      1. 31231
        31231 31 August 2013 20: 11
        +1
        You didn’t notice that pixels with Russian flags and stateless Jews do not talk about Russia's monetary costs in the ATS ?! Why is that?! There are no underground millionaires Koreiko or Messrs. Kudrins in the chat ?!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 20: 36
          -1
          Quote: 31231
          You didn’t notice that pixels with Russian flags and stateless Jews do not talk about Russia's monetary costs in the ATS ?! Why is that?! There are no underground millionaires Koreiko or Messrs. Kudrins in the chat ?!

          For a start - Israeli citizenship. Secondly, if you take a closer look, they say. Thirdly, in a fit of cheer-patriotism they will also tell the entire Russian budget to give to the war. Only for some reason, none of those who really fought, does not adjoin the cheers-patriots.
          1. 31231
            31231 31 August 2013 21: 15
            0
            You will not help and do not copy-paste the comments of pixels with the flag of the Russian Federation, which say that Syria does not need to supply weapons, because this is a wrong investment. Five pieces of such comments are desirable. You know, for all the pixels of Topwar and follow the comments of those who fought on the topic of Russia's spending for Syria?
    2. chief.matros
      chief.matros 1 September 2013 03: 59
      0
      but we pay them like be
      1. 31231
        31231 1 September 2013 08: 28
        0
        When and where did you personally pay for them ?! Or would you "a la Bumpy" say "this money could have helped the Russian people" !? Firstly, Syria doesn’t have this money. Secondly, who told you that they would go to the people, not the Serdyukovs? Thirdly, ours needed to somehow keep the customers of the weapons in the lousy production situation in the country, they more or less kept them. Well, as an appendage, look above the amount of US aid to Israel only.
  • Dober
    Dober 1 September 2013 00: 57
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Have the Syrians ever been allies of Russia?

    And when did Germany have "brotherly" feelings for Israel? I'm not even talking about those who fought in the Second World War, but about their children, grandchildren, and already great-grandchildren.
    Now the question is the one that asked the "pimply". What percentage of German reparations "poured" into the Israeli economy?
    According to rough estimates, something is about 650 billion shares.
    How many rubles did Jews beg from Russia for retirement to non-Russian citizens?
    Of course, now the answer will follow that they "earned them". Let me remind you that we trained them for FREE. And now, education in Russia, through the efforts of the Jews, has become an "elite pleasure."

    Paraphrase Quote -
    Quote: atalef
    Money certainly does not play a role, there is apparently nothing to do with it in Germany, roads are built, pensions and healthcare are in order. You can scatter the loot, getting the same hatred and increasing greed from the recipients (leeches) at the exit.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 1 September 2013 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: Dober
      Jews begged from Russia on retirement to non-Russian citizens?

      Do not be offended, but even here I will defend pensioners. This is normal world practice. A person who has worked for a large number of years in one country is entitled to a pension from that country. Or he is paid a pension by another country of residence if there are appropriate agreements between them. There is no such agreement between Russia and Israel, and Russia pays pension to the elderly as the successor to the USSR. There is such an agreement between Azerbaijan and Russia and I receive a pension in Russia already. All that was required of me was to prove my labor activity there and to document my earnings.
      But there are no such agreements with the United States, but there is a provision obliging the country to pay a pension if the applicant has at least 5 years of experience in the United States.
      And please do not confuse, a person who was educated in the USSR and worked for at least 20 or 25 years. In the USSR, he has the right to a pension and it is believed that he worked for his education. Another thing is those who have learned and fled. That pension is not supposed! They did not work for the USSR or Russia.
  • atalef
    31 August 2013 10: 19
    -2
    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    . Our friendship is not measured by profit.

    How strange your statement sounds. Money in relation to Syria (Arab) does not play any role, but for some reason selling gas to brothers Ukrainians is more expensive than Germans, feelings of friendship and brotherhood fade into the background. Apparently Arabs and Germans are closer than Ukrainians.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 31 August 2013 10: 25
      +5
      More precisely, its rulers trade in our friendship.
      And this is precisely the reason for all the troubles of Ukraine.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 20
        +2
        And who isn’t? Belarus, for example, is actively involved in this. Syria is friends due to the fact that it is practically armed with an army for free. Well, where else will she find someone who will supply her with the latest weapons for free?
        1. 31231
          31231 31 August 2013 20: 24
          +1
          Could you tell us in more detail what is their latest ?! except the bastion.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 18
            +1
            For example, a contract for S-300, a contract for Migi - all to list, there at 5.5 billion at least.
            1. 31231
              31231 31 August 2013 21: 28
              0
              Have you seen these weapons in the land of Syria ?!
              My opinion is that the S-300 is no longer the latest. There is a S-400. Migi is also not the latest, because there are more recent serial Su-30 and Su-35. In general, of course, it is demagogy to consider what is new and what is not.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 57
                -1
                Yeah, and in the development of the S-500. Is S-400 supplied for export?
                ATGM "Cornet"?
                You know, it's like a circus with a kid with a jar of jam. Muzzle in jam, but "I didn't eat, you didn't see how I chewed!" The circus. Sorry, the rest is just silly and funny. Not interesting already.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 31 August 2013 22: 40
                  +3
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Yeah, and in the development of the S-500. Is S-400 supplied for export?
                  ATGM "Cornet"?
                  You know, it's like a circus with a kid with a jar of jam. Muzzle in jam, but "I didn't eat, you didn't see how I chewed!" The circus. Sorry, the rest is just silly and funny. Not interesting already.

                  Gy Cornet 20 years old will soon knock. Not an old man of course, but not a young man.
                  1. 31231
                    31231 31 August 2013 23: 08
                    0
                    Well, what are you, Jewish chariots can pierce only the latest weapons wink
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 21
                      0
                      Not. Only the cornet has different versions. T-90, for example, the version of T-72. How old is the tank going?
                    2. poquello
                      poquello 1 September 2013 02: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Not. Only the cornet has different versions. T-90, for example, the version of T-72. How old is the tank going?

                      And this is already according to the basic design decisions, then the bassoon was 80 years old, but the merkaba got it too.
                    3. Pimply
                      Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 51
                      0
                      Quote: poquello
                      And this is already according to the basic design decisions, then the bassoon was 80 years old, but the merkaba got it too.

                      Got it. Which, in general, is normal - there are no indestructible tanks. Losses were acceptable: 5 irretrievably lost. In other wars, much more died as a percentage.
                  2. 31231
                    31231 1 September 2013 08: 39
                    0
                    T-90 version of the T-72 ?! Wow. So you can consider Armata version of the T-72, or all your Carrots version of the first model.
                    Maybe the version is T-72B3 ?!
                    Although, what am I talking about ?! you have your own reality.
                  3. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 1 September 2013 09: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: 31231
                    Although, what am I talking about ?! you have your own reality.

                    That's it. The little man who swore allegiance to another country (Israel) and returned back to Russia cannot but be recognized as a member of the fifth column.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 20
              -1
              Yeah. Nevertheless, does Russia have something newer?
              1. chief.matros
                chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 35
                0
                Of course there is, developed at the sunset of the USSR and revision has begun in our days, that's just the whole question of finances
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 51
                0
                We are talking about serial.
              3. chief.matros
                chief.matros 1 September 2013 05: 16
                0
                and you do not work for the "Mossad" to talk about the serial?
          2. poquello
            poquello 1 September 2013 02: 41
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Yeah. Nevertheless, does Russia have something newer?

            Given the system of our military-industrial complex with a very high probability, if you certainly mean today. And I repeat the words of your opponent, far from the last cornets were delivered.
          3. 31231
            31231 1 September 2013 08: 46
            +1
            And that official Israel presented documentary evidence of the use of the Cornets in the 2006 war ?! When managed?! Or another chatter on the network ?!
      2. chief.matros
        chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 33
        0
        and the T-90 tank, note this is a modernized T-64 (I don’t remember the year of production, but about the beginning of the 60s), so what? The filling is changing, the shell is just the same
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 1 September 2013 02: 52
          +2
          T90 upgrade T72
        2. chief.matros
          chief.matros 1 September 2013 04: 04
          0
          if you don’t believe me, watch Ren-TV's "Military Secret" (repeat from 19.08.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX) and flip through the magazine "Military Review"
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 31 August 2013 10: 58
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Arabs and Germans are closer than Ukrainians

    So there are some reasons to do so. I would be very amazed if Israel demanded to lower the price of gas on the basis that about a million immigrants from the USSR are living there. In my opinion, there must be a different, more compelling reason. Accustomed to milk, do you panimi!
  • WASABI
    WASABI 31 August 2013 11: 16
    +3
    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    Our friendship is not measured by profit.

    Quote: atalef
    How strange your statement sounds.

    I would be surprised if this were not so. Even being in the Russian forum, you are trying to sow ethnic hatred. But among other things, this is also a violation of the rules of the site. Do you care about the rules set for all visitors?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 07
      -1
      Quote: VASABI
      I would be surprised if this were not so. Even being in the Russian forum, you are trying to sow ethnic hatred. But among other things, this is also a violation of the rules of the site. Do you care about the rules set for all visitors?


      You have a Swedish flag
      1. WASABI
        WASABI 31 August 2013 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        You have a Swedish flag

        Thanks I know!
    2. chief.matros
      chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 37
      0
      interesting, righteous one, your back does not itch, otherwise you can already look and by morning the wings will grow like an angel?
  • 31231
    31231 31 August 2013 20: 16
    0
    And what did not cite Belarus as an example ?!
    If the Ukrainian leadership does not care about its people, why should our leadership care about it? In Russia, so many citizens of Ukraine work and no one deportes them, but considers them brothers.
  • chief.matros
    chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 27
    0
    Contracts were concluded with the Germans once before, and secondly, for this the Germans agreed to open their branches with us (and these are factories + invest in new technologies), thereby creating jobs, and Ukraine only expects a big chunk from Russia fat, so let them buy our gas at market prices
  • bulvas
    bulvas 31 August 2013 17: 28
    +1
    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    Not everything in this world can be measured by profit.


    what nonsense are you talking about?
    Yes, for all.
    It’s understandable to fight for oneself. Well, why the hell is Syria needed, despite the fact that Russia does not need it?
    Money is needed, for pensioners, students, state employees, and everyone. And Arab Syria is not needed. Already threw billions and will throw at the first opportunity. It’s right that they stopped the supply of weapons.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 31 August 2013 17: 51
      +1
      If the main benefit for you, then your anger is understandable.
      I am writing for you: Read the posts carefully! Before you write something, think about what you want to write! If your head is nonsense, then do not write anything in your head while it is in your head.
      I didn’t write about pensioners (I’m myself), I didn’t write about students (I was him), I didn’t write about state employees (I was him), I didn’t write about Syria. I wrote about the endless love of money and their account.

      With disrespect.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 31 August 2013 07: 39
    +14
    Giving Syria to Russia is unacceptable, because this action poses a direct threat to the future security of RUSSIA as a whole. If the plague of the radical Islamism is defeated by the Syrian government, it will spread everywhere. AND RUSSIA WILL BE THE MAIN GOAL! If you want to direct this wave to the USA, you don’t think I am a cynic, but I really want the Capitol to feel with its FIFTH point what radical radicalism is:
  • vadson
    vadson 31 August 2013 07: 43
    -1
    Russia left the same coastal supply points for the fleet, including in the region: the island of Socotra (Yemen), Split (former Yugoslavia), Sfax (Tunisia), Mersa Matruh (Egypt), Tobruk (Libya). African security centers are closed - Dakhlak (Ethiopia) and Conakry (Guinea). But this had no effect on the implementation of the concept of the global presence of the Navy in the world's oceans.
    nude nude. had no effect? the fleet became coastal
    1. Che
      Che 31 August 2013 10: 56
      +10
      Wadson didn’t leave Russia, but left at EBN. Big difference.
      1. Maverick78
        Maverick78 31 August 2013 15: 15
        +1
        Of course, they left her, but with the direct assistance of Russia itself, or rather, those who determined its policy.
  • mishok
    mishok 31 August 2013 07: 48
    +1
    I do not understand anything
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 31 August 2013 08: 12
      +2
      Quote: mishok
      I do not understand anything

      Well, what's incomprehensible here: "Syria paid Russia only 1 billion dollars out of the 5,5 billion that had been relied on under the contracts ... a year before, in 2005, Russia wrote off Syria's debt for 10 billion dollars ...".
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 31 August 2013 11: 43
        0
        Quote: AK-47
        Quote: mishok
        I do not understand anything

        Well, what's incomprehensible here: "Syria paid Russia only 1 billion dollars out of the 5,5 billion that had been relied on under the contracts ... a year before, in 2005, Russia wrote off Syria's debt for 10 billion dollars ...".

        Just the other day, the Western press wrote that Syria made the next payments. Motivated by the fact that Assad shows Putin that everything is under his control.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 21
          -1
          Quote: Russ69
          Just the other day, the Western press wrote that Syria made the next payments. Motivated by the fact that Assad shows Putin that everything is under his control.

          Only these payments account for 10-15 percent of the real value of shipments.
          1. 31231
            31231 31 August 2013 20: 30
            +1
            Yes, I see you are not mathematicians as well ?! 1 lard from 5,5 lard is 18 percent.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 40
              0
              Yeah. Let's measure every penny.

              Russia, under a contract concluded in 2007, should supply Syria with 12 MiG-29M / M2 fighters. Initially, deliveries were delayed due to the fact that France refused to transfer the navigation system technology, which was planned to equip the machines. Then a pause arose due to the outbreak of military conflict in the country.

              Now financial problems have begun: after the receipt of three tranches of 10% each, made from the moment of the conclusion of the contract, to the account of the MiG corporation, payments stopped.

              In addition, Moscow does not have data on Syria's payment of the contract for the supply of Russian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems.

              This is beyond that amount.

              Yes, we still will not forget about another requested loan? Recently, it was discussed in Moscow. So it turns out 10-15%. And this is at best. You do not forget that the loan is given at interest. And here we are talking only about the return of part of the amount. So we are likely to exit at 7% at best.
              1. 31231
                31231 31 August 2013 23: 14
                -1
                Wow counted, wow counted. That I didn’t understand anything. Bravo! Aki Ostap Bender laid out everything.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 22
                  +1
                  Find a mistake - write 8)
                  1. 31231
                    31231 1 September 2013 08: 58
                    0
                    Well, the tax inspectors would immediately ask you for something nice for such bookkeeping.
  • apro
    apro 31 August 2013 07: 57
    +7
    The opinion of a Jew that Mr. Putin can afford is his personal opinion. Russia cannot afford to lose its position either in Syria or elsewhere. Money is generally the third power thing, the USSR in the war and the confrontation of Jews and Arabs in 1973 made good money on export oil than partially offset the investment in these countries.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 31 August 2013 12: 10
      +4
      Quote: apro
      The opinion of a Jew that Mr. Putin can afford is his personal opinion.

      It's just that the subconscious has worked in a person. "If I were the president of Russia ...." laughing
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 22
      -3
      Nevertheless, Russia is consistently losing these positions - it is because of politics that we put all our eggs in one basket.
  • a52333
    a52333 31 August 2013 07: 59
    +5
    Assad is very restrained in responding to Russia's efforts to save his regime: there are neither iconic expressions of gratitude nor mass "demonstrations of friendship" typical of Arab countries at the walls of the Russian embassy.
    It’s hard to disagree. Does this seem strange to you? There is something here. Need to think.
    1. a52333
      a52333 1 September 2013 21: 07
      +3
      I answer myself, who cares? So the opinion of Musin. Not Syria-Russia, but Russia Syria should bow at its feet. While Assad holds on and grinds the money of Qatar and the Saudis inside Syria, for which the whole rabble of northern Africa and the Middle East is hired, we can sleep peacefully. As soon as Assad is broken, all this shit will float to us, and Western bullshit will deal with Iran.
  • arkady149
    arkady149 31 August 2013 08: 06
    +11
    It is difficult for the Israelis to understand, but Russians think not only by the criteria for profit from gesheft, there is also fidelity to duty, moral obligations. Yes, and GREAT POWER ISRAEL was not and never will be, the level of thinking is not the same.
    1. The Indian Joe
      The Indian Joe 31 August 2013 10: 13
      +3
      Why wasn't he? Israel is now "the first guy in the village", whatever one may say.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 25
      -1
      We kind of talk about international politics, no? The USSR such an approach cost several hundred billion dollars and led to the collapse of the country's economy. You, as I understand it, want the collapse of Russia? I’m not so good.
      1. 31231
        31231 31 August 2013 21: 37
        0
        Strange, but here and in real life, many argue that these are the machinations of Humpbacked on the collapse of the USSR. And it’s like that. It turns out that these foreign counterparties brought the USSR to a white knee.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 58
          0
          Yeah. They also believe in the ZOG conspiracy. 8)
          1. 31231
            31231 31 August 2013 23: 18
            +2
            You won’t believe it, but I’m not anti-Semite. I am a peaceful Russian ......... atom .................
            in a multinational molecule of the Russian Federation.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 26
              -1
              Why, I believe. You have a completely different rhetoric. I didn’t say that you believe in the ZOG.
              1. 31231
                31231 1 September 2013 08: 52
                0
                By the way, you and about them in vain so. We have Jewish autonomy and people there do not complain about the prevalence of anti-Semites among Russians.
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 31 August 2013 08: 14
    +11
    It just so happened that everyone wants to teach us. Is it really incomprehensible that Russia is a kind of country. And the more it is "taught", the more often it acts in its own way. And what's interesting - SHE TURNS IN MOST RIGHT CASES !!
    God Almighty, bless me, my friends, the Russian people and grant us victory for adversaries.
    FOR ALL OTHERS- REMEMBER:
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 26
      -5
      Quote: AleksUkr
      And what's interesting - SHE turns out in most cases of law !!

      What exactly are the rights? Such a policy destroyed the economy of the USSR, and led to the collapse of the country. Is that right?
      1. SergBrNord
        SergBrNord 31 August 2013 15: 12
        +3
        Passed by. The Union of traitors from the top collapsed, among which Humpback was a simple pawn.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 17
          0
          Yeah. Apparently the collapse of the economy, the waste of hundreds of billions of dollars, the most severe deficit and internal unrest, as well as the fall in oil prices did not play a role. Only traitors. Respected. There is an axiom: Strong structures do not fall apart.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 31 August 2013 08: 41
    +7
    Who about what and lousy about the bath. Yes, our ancestors were right in the shaggy year when people found their last names, as you call the ship from and sail. The dowel is clearly not from a cruising breed, but rather a rat.
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 31 August 2013 08: 59
    +4
    The author of the article is Alexander Shpunt, director of the Institute for Political Analysis Tools (Moscow), professor at the Higher School of Economics, project manager for election campaigns of V.Putin (2000, 2004) and D.Medvedeva (2008), chief of the Eastern European Bureau of 9 channel.


    ... Galimnaya 5 column is broadcasting!
    The HSE is an ugly nest of reptilioids, which showed the complete incompetence of financial and economic theory and practice of the current moment, with all the consequences - to the dump of history!
  • Arkan
    Arkan 31 August 2013 09: 04
    +11
    One gesheft on the mind. Dying over the shekels.
  • russkymir
    russkymir 31 August 2013 09: 22
    +4
    Thus, Putin has no economic motives to fight for the Assad regime.

    There are no political motives


    What about the human ones?
  • Maverick78
    Maverick78 31 August 2013 09: 29
    +8
    Russia MUST stop bombing Syria. It should not be to someone, but first of all to herself. Do not listen to any advisers from behind the hill and their friends inside. The West has never conducted business with the Slavs honestly, and will not conduct it. You need to think with your own head, and not Zion-Anglo-Saxon.
  • olviko
    olviko 31 August 2013 09: 34
    +9
    "Thus, Putin has no economic motive to fight for the Assad regime."

    They are Jews and at the Institute of Political Analysis Instruments, Jews. Jesus also drove them out of the temple for love of money, Judas sold the same CHRIST for 30 !!!!! Srebryanikov, Rothschild probably can’t sleep peacefully, he would have welded himself on CHRIST! Dear Yehudim, they explained to you in good Russian more than once: Power is not in money, but in truth, but the truth is on the side of Russia!
    1. Maverick78
      Maverick78 31 August 2013 09: 41
      +4
      In GOOD Russian, they may not understand. Have you tried to burr?)
      But as for the power .... if you take the official version - it is in Newtons, and in the present world it is still in money, but in order for it to be true - you have to fight for it, even when it is not financially very profitable.
    2. atalef
      31 August 2013 09: 58
      -5
      Quote: olviko
      the truth is on the side of Russia!

      I somehow did not hear Russia's position on - armed conflicts on the rest of the planet - such as the extermination of Christians in Chad, Nigeria, wars in half the countries of Africa, Turkey - rotting Kurds, Kyrgyzstan, squeezing out Russians from Central Asian countries and the list goes on. If it’s true, then why is it somehow very selective.
      1. Che
        Che 31 August 2013 11: 00
        +5
        Atalef, well, you know that during EBN they kept quiet and ate the hunk. Now sobered glory to God.
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 31 August 2013 11: 08
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        The destruction of Christians in Chad, Nigeria, wars in half the countries of Africa

        Sasha, you’re a big boy, and you simply have to learn how to distinguish Catholics from Orthodox sectarians so hated by Jews. And how many other Christians in the world, neither in a fairy tale to say, nor a pen to describe!
        1. atalef
          31 August 2013 15: 56
          -1
          Quote: Hedgehog
          from Orthodox sectarians so hated by Jews.

          To say this to my Orthodox wife?
          1. chief.matros
            chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 48
            +2
            it is very difficult to believe that you will release her on Sundays to the Christian church
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 1 September 2013 09: 53
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            To say this to my Orthodox wife?

            No, dear, you tell this to your Jewish friends who complain that their ancestors were beaten and pulled out of the streets on Russian streets.
            Here is a recent example:
            Jerusalem's magistrates' court overturned the charge of violence against the monk of the Greek Orthodox Church, who answered with a blow to the face of a yeshiva student who spat in his direction as he passed. According to the ynet portal, the incident occurred in the Old City of Jerusalem.

            many religious Jews consider it their duty to spit on the cross. And of course, the government of Israel could stop treating Christianity as its enemy, stopping spending huge amounts of money to fight the Christian faith

            Here is the reference: http://stavroskrest.ru/content/israel-shamir-plyu-na-krest- and Judea-orthodoxy- sch
            have their religious duty
            You categorically refuse to understand at a glance, you as a naughty puppy need to poke your nose into a poop!
      3. WASABI
        WASABI 31 August 2013 11: 29
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        The extermination of Christians in Chad, Nigeria

        Quote: atalef
        squeezing out Russians from the countries of Central Asia

        At the place of administration, I (as a lawyer) would have looked at your statements, which smack of fascism !!!
        1. olviko
          olviko 31 August 2013 12: 20
          +3
          Well, what about fascism - you are too cool. By resolution of the 30th session of the UN General Assembly (1975), Zionism was qualified as a form of racism and racial discrimination, all in all.
          1. WASABI
            WASABI 31 August 2013 12: 58
            0
            Quote: olviko
            just.

            The resolution was too soft and that was in 1975.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 28
            +3
            And on December 16, 1991, this resolution was repealed by UN General Assembly resolution 46/86.
            1. WASABI
              WASABI 31 August 2013 13: 55
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              On December 16, 1991, this resolution was repealed.

              So I wrote that it was in 1975.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 31 August 2013 14: 12
                0
                AND? The resolution has been canceled. Moreover, a large number of countries. And if you are a lawyer, as you declare, you should at least partially imagine what the UN General Assembly is, what its real significance and influence is, what they can declare at what level, and what its place in the system of international relations.
                1. WASABI
                  WASABI 31 August 2013 14: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Pimply
                  should at least partially imagine what the UN General Assembly is, what its real significance and influence is, what they can declare at what level, and what its place in the system of international relations.

                  Unfortunately, I imagine what the UN General Assembly is and even better I see how this, generally respected, organization is cynically ignored by both the United States and Israel. And its importance in the system of international relations is remembered only when it is necessary to cover up your rotten affairs. And do not flatter yourself, the abolition of that resolution did not make Zionism white and fluffy, but moved it even more towards fascism.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: VASABI
                    Unfortunately, I imagine what the UN General Assembly is and even better I see how this, generally respected, organization is cynically ignored by both the United States and Israel. And its importance in the system of international relations is remembered only when it is necessary to cover up your rotten affairs. And do not flatter yourself, the abolition of that resolution did not make Zionism white and fluffy, but moved it even more towards fascism.

                    I think you have little idea what the UN is in principle. The UN is a deliberative body, no more. A quarter funded by the United States. His most influential body is the Security Council, because he declares the opinion of the most influential countries.

                    The UN is not a structure that either recognizes. The UN determines the opinion of specific states and unions. Moreover, the UN does not even determine who or what is a state. And here you are talking about terminology, and remember the canceled resolutions. And this is called a lawyer.
                    1. WASABI
                      WASABI 31 August 2013 15: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: Pimply
                      I think you have little idea what the UN is in principle.

                      Just what you are trying to think does not mean that it is so.
                      Quote: Pimply
                      you're talking about terminology

                      I am not "chatting", but (if you haven't noticed) I am writing.
                      Quote: Pimply
                      remember the canceled resolution.

                      I dare to remind you that I was not the first to recall this Resolution, but it was you who recalled its cancellation.
                      Quote: Pimply
                      And this is called a lawyer.

                      And very good!
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 47
                        0
                        Quote: VASABI
                        And very good!

                        Did it hurt you so much? Well right, not worth it. Not so bad.
                        Quote: VASABI
                        I dare to remind you that I was not the first to recall this Resolution, but it was you who recalled its cancellation.

                        If you did not pay attention, then write here not only you, and I answer not only to you. Do not take everything only at your own expense.
                        Quote: VASABI
                        Just what you are trying to think does not mean that it is so.

                        Have you tried to insult me? I have to shout "Touchet!" and fall picturesquely? Do not make me laugh.
                      2. WASABI
                        WASABI 31 August 2013 16: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Did it hurt you so much?

                        An equal can offend, but you’re not good for me! lol
                        Quote: Pimply
                        and I answer not only to you. Do not take everything only at your own expense.

                        Nevertheless, it was in a post addressed to me. Be so kind as to filter out your attempts not only to think but also to write.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Have you tried to insult me?

                        No, I just stated a fact.
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 15
                        -2
                        Quote: VASABI
                        An equal can offend, but you’re not good for me!

                        Well, for sure, yes, wounded, killed. I told the carcass, I fell. If necessary, I can pat. Well, well, don’t worry like that. 8)
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 38
                        0
                        Quote: VASABI
                        Nevertheless, it was in a post addressed to me. Be so kind as to filter out your attempts not only to think but also to write.

                        Who said that? If you took the answer to someone else as an answer to yourself - it is your egocentrism that says, forgive me submissively.
                        Quote: VASABI
                        No, I just stated a fact.

                        And one more time. The farther - the funnier 8)
              2. chief.matros
                chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 53
                0
                The US wants to get rid of Israel as soon as possible, and then we'll see how they sing. If only Russia did not get there
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 27
      -3
      A lawyer would not say such nonsense.
      1. WASABI
        WASABI 31 August 2013 13: 58
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        A lawyer would not say such nonsense.

        Reading your posts, I did not notice ANY "cleverness" in them, only verbiage and a hymn to money.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 14: 02
          0
          Quote: VASABI
          Reading your posts, I did not notice ANY "cleverness" in them, only verbiage and a hymn to money.

          Lawyer? 8)
    4. chief.matros
      chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 50
      +3
      but as the Jews begin to speak the truth, they are unanimous in the Nazis. But in addition to the Holocaust, there were thousands more !!! burned Belarusian villages and millions of ruined Russian souls !!!
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 31 August 2013 15: 59
    +2
    What nonsense about Kyrgyzstan? Do not confuse your fantasies with reality.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 31 August 2013 17: 55
      +2
      Quote: KG_patriot_last
      What nonsense about Kyrgyzstan? Do not confuse your fantasies with reality.

      Why nonsense? Was there genocide of Uzbeks in Kyrgyzstan or what do you call it?
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 31 August 2013 20: 52
        +2
        and not a single Kyrgyz was killed according to you? I’m talking nonsense.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 1 September 2013 03: 14
          +2
          Quote: KG_patriot_last
          and not a single Kyrgyz was killed according to you? I’m talking nonsense.

          Of course they were, but mostly the Uzbeks died admit it.
  • chief.matros
    chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 46
    0
    Well, let's get North American Indians here
  • pensioner
    pensioner 31 August 2013 09: 58
    +4
    Katz offers to give up!
  • andruha70
    andruha70 31 August 2013 10: 02
    +8
    Mr. lawyer nationality-only a debit with a loan in my head ... negative Can’t understand in any way, there are no pockets in the coffin ... tongue he writes
    Two thirds of the respondents (67%) counted on a positive strengthening of Russia's foreign policy positions, and only 15% doubted this. That is, even those who did not vote for Putin hoped for his foreign policy. For example, only 45% of respondents hoped for improvements in the economy.
    what does it mean? but that it doesn’t matter how much money you have in your pocket, it’s important how many PEOPLE RESPECT you. hi
    1. chief.matros
      chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 55
      -2
      yeah, she has a Russian mom and dad is also a lawyer
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 31 August 2013 10: 12
    +10
    Article minus for the unrealistically high content of delirium and the ignorance of AFFtor.

    Take at least his pearl
    "With the outbreak of the Syrian conflict, of course, the situation has changed, but even an inexperienced observer can notice: Assad is very restrained in responding to Russia's efforts to save his regime: there are neither symbolic expressions of gratitude, nor mass" demonstrations of friendship "characteristic of Arab countries at the walls of the Russian embassy . "
    - there is a shortage of the Russian flag in Syria, I myself saw photos of demonstrations with Russian flags in Syria - real, massive, and not staged from the SSA.
  • saag
    saag 31 August 2013 10: 24
    +6
    "... Putin can afford to lose Syria. He can even afford to weaken the weight of the UN Security Council in world affairs - few people in Russia understand anything about this; even fewer will notice this, given the deployed propaganda machine in their hands Russian authorities.

    But what the politician Putin cannot afford under any circumstances is that his foreign policy in the eyes of the country looks like Yeltsin's or Gorbachev's: weak, ineffective, dependent. "
    The comrade clearly contradicts himself, the first paragraph contradicts the second, but the logic is lame ...
  • SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 31 August 2013 10: 40
    +9
    The world is changing, and the Jews continue to measure friendship in bucks!
  • andreyurugvay
    andreyurugvay 31 August 2013 10: 48
    +2
    Hello! My first comment.
    The article is absolutely liberal, and nothing more.
    1. sashka
      sashka 31 August 2013 11: 30
      +2
      Quote: andreyurugvay
      The article is absolutely liberal, and nothing more.

      Answer yourself first. that THIS word means .. Ved and Great Pu and Medved liberals. What can you do. I called myself a load in the back of the truck. (Russian proverb).
      1. WASABI
        WASABI 31 August 2013 11: 38
        +3
        Quote: Sasha
        Great Pu and Bear Liberals

        Not certainly in that way. Is it possible to attribute Putin to liberal politicians and economists, but Medvedev is pure liberal and here you are right.
    2. chief.matros
      chief.matros 1 September 2013 02: 56
      0
      with liberals in 1991 it all started
  • ivachum
    ivachum 31 August 2013 10: 55
    +4
    The author of the article is Alexander Shpunt, director of the Institute for Political Analysis Tools (Moscow), professor at the Higher School of Economics, project manager for election campaigns of V.Putin (2000, 2004) and D.Medvedeva (2008), chief of the Eastern European Bureau of 9 channel.

    5th column in action ...
  • solomon
    solomon 31 August 2013 11: 09
    +3
    there is no successful politician Vladimir Putin.

    But everything says the opposite.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 31 August 2013 11: 13
    +3
    They wrote off a lot of money and what amounts were written off by the United States, this is probably practiced by all donor countries and world players, geopolitics is a very costly game, but it can also bring very large profits (it's like a knife, you can cut meat or you can hurt yourself) it all depends on the player himself and his umeniya.Siriya is the first "damn" rebuff to the interests of the United States in the world (the main thing that would not be lumpy) after the failed policy of Yeltsin in international otnosheniya.I here is the main difference between those who consider monetary losses and those who want to regain weight in international politics.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 30
      -1
      USA can afford it.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 13: 32
        0
        Naturally, after all, the wrapper printing press is with them.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 42
          +2
          They have a powerful economy, not closed on the sale abroad of irreplaceable resources alone. Many countries have a printing press. Here's an example of Zimbabwe. Turned on the printing press. AND? Hyperinflation.
          The United States can afford it, because it has the most developed economy in the world, which affects all countries. Phone, I think, in your pocket on android or windows or ayos? The Internet? Medication? Meat in stores?
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 31 August 2013 14: 24
            0
            No other powerful economy in the world can afford to print its money in such quantities as the United States. And if we make the "world currency" instead of the dollar, say the Zimbabwean tugrik, then Zimbabwe will be able, the United States will not. The US economy has recently become more financial-speculative than industrial-innovative.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2013 14: 33
              -2
              Quote: Maverick78
              industrial innovation.

              Oh oh That's all American technology uses. If we make the reserve currency the Zimbabwean dollar instead of the American dollar, then there will be no reaction. The dollar is a reserve currency due to confidence in the US economy, and not because someone has appointed it.
              1. Maverick78
                Maverick78 31 August 2013 15: 30
                +3
                This trust was "obtained" as a result of WWII, when the economies of the largest states lay in ruins, and there was no alternative. And after they were believed, it turned out as in that joke - "well, here I got a card and flooded" At the moment, the dollar is provided only by US aircraft carriers and the fact that if everyone suddenly decides to demand their debts from the United States, the dollar will simply collapse and debts will be worthless. What to do with this situation is not clear. And it is not for nothing that the United States is so opposed to the introduction of various alternative currencies for international settlements.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Maverick78
                  This trust was "obtained" as a result of WWII, when the economies of the largest states lay in ruins, and there was no alternative.

                  The US economy was one of the most powerful before the war. And after the war - strengthened.
                  It is provided, including aircraft carriers. But do you really think that everything rests only on them? What OS are you on? Do you use the Internet? You must drink the medicine. Look at the degree of influence of the American economy at your leisure.
          2. andruha70
            andruha70 31 August 2013 15: 14
            +4
            The United States can afford it, because it has the most developed economy in the world, which affects all countries. Phone, I think, in your pocket on android or windows or ayos? The Internet? Medication? Meat in stores?
            Greetings, Pimpled! hi and you don’t think about the fact that, after all these productions were withdrawn to Asian countries, in particular, to China ... request China will copy all this, and India will program ... what America remains to do (provided that American experts go there too ... tongue and not only from America ...) it’s printing green candy wrappers ... you must admit, sooner or later, the people (of the country) will see what’s the matter ... you can kick from the ears to a certain level wink but not forever ... I think so ... smile
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 26
              0
              A stream that does not require high qualifications is being brought to China and India. Talk to someone who has worked with one or the other.
              Major development centers remain in the States or states such as Israel, Ireland, etc.
              They reduce costs, while continuing to modernize their economies, and very successfully. So what kind of candy wrappers? Are you ready to burn let's say five bucks if they are taken from your pocket (well, since they are candy wrappers).
              1. andruha70
                andruha70 31 August 2013 19: 55
                0
                A stream that does not require high qualifications is being brought to China and India. Talk to someone who has worked with one or the other.
                I talked with both of them ... wink therefore, I write — that the country, in order to reduce costs, withdrawing its production to countries where highly skilled workers are not required, signs a death sentence for itself. request because, sooner or later, they’ll raise their qualifications ... tongue and they have both qualifications and production, and in the USA only qualifications (although what, to hell, qualifications, if there is nowhere to apply them ... what ) as a simple, exaggerated example: you came to an Indian of the Tumba Yumba tribe, and offered him the ability to make fire, in exchange for his pearl necklace laughing after he puffs for a while, hitting flint against flint, he no longer needs you ... smile that's what i mean ... repeat and about:
                Are you ready to burn let's say five bucks if they are taken from your pocket (well, since they are candy wrappers).
                why should I burn them? fool yes even though labels from matchboxes — if you can buy something on them — why should I burn them? request
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 August 2013 20: 01
                  0
                  They will raise. On the assembly, on the development of somehow modules, etc., etc. And the guys overseas will steer this. And the most important industries, as well as development centers, will remain there. Explore what exactly the guys from India develop on outsourcing, with what quality and what the guys from China produce, and what kind of production problems arise there.
                  1. andruha70
                    andruha70 31 August 2013 21: 53
                    +1
                    They will raise. On the assembly, on the development of somehow modules, etc., etc.
                    you all correctly say, but ... using this period of time. And in 10 years? 20 years? simple example from life ... wink my friend, in the 90 years he came up with equipment - mass-produces products that are in great demand. and instead of using it exclusively - he sells the equipment made by him (not without my participation ... repeat ) -to the right and to the left ... fool To my question, why the hell are you creating competitors for yourself? The answer is: if not me, then there will be someone else ... belay As a result, he taxes in Moscow ... and those to whom he sold equipment, they spread eggs directly on chocolate ... fellow theory is certainly good, but do not think that one individual can be smarter than everyone else ... smile sooner or later, and he will become wiser ... request It's a question of time...
                2. Tourist Breakfast
                  Tourist Breakfast 31 August 2013 21: 53
                  0
                  because, sooner or later, they’ll raise their qualifications ... tongue and they have both qualifications and production, and in the USA only qualifications (although what, to hell, qualifications, if there is nowhere to apply them ...


                  A simple example - here in Russia like Ford "Focus" has been assembled for many years. Do you think there will ever be a domestic model of a comparable or better level?
                  1. andruha70
                    andruha70 31 August 2013 22: 30
                    +2
                    A simple example - here in Russia like Ford "Focus" has been assembled for many years. Do you think there will ever be a domestic model of a comparable or better level?
                    however, you are strange ... firstly: why do you think that Ford focus should be for me a comparable or better level? By what criteria? I’m driving in a field ... tongue and I transfer cargo on it, you won’t believe-500-600kg (specifics of work) for 10 years of operation, 2 overhaul ... tongue Yes, there is no air conditioning, there is no climate control, but I don’t need them anymore ... tongue secondly: why make a model of a comparable level if Ford already does it? fool it’s better to produce a T-95 tank, its Ford can’t do ... laughing and thirdly: do you really think that if in Russia (I myself do not live in Russia) there will be a need for a car such as a Ford Focus, then they will not be able to build it? it’s like in a joke: why elusive joe? yes because nobody needs a fuck ... laughing
                    1. Tourist Breakfast
                      Tourist Breakfast 1 September 2013 11: 47
                      -1
                      however, you are strange ... firstly: why do you think that Ford focus should be for me a comparable or better level? By what criteria? I’m driving in a field ..


                      And which of us two is strange after this phrase?
                      1. Ezhaak
                        Ezhaak 1 September 2013 12: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                        And which of us two is strange after this phrase?

                        Well, in general, if you consider that andruha70 really supports its producer, and the Tourist Breakfast pushes American goods that have nothing to do with Israel, then for me, in this situation, the Tourist Breakfast seems more strange.
                        Unless he's a Ford salesman. laughing
                      2. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 1 September 2013 18: 14
                        -1
                        In fact, Ford is going to Russia in your country and, accordingly, is being sold at your place. Initially, the conversation was that the transfer of high-tech industries from the USA to third world countries would supposedly entail the development of their own alternative projects in these countries, which supposedly will squeeze Americans on the world market. As we see, in the example with the Russian Ford this does not happen.
                        The same does not happen in the case of Indian IT companies or Chinese fabs.
                      3. andruha70
                        andruha70 1 September 2013 18: 53
                        +2
                        the conversation was that the transfer of high-tech industries from the USA to third world countries would allegedly entail the development of their own alternative projects in these countries, which supposedly will squeeze Americans on the world market.
                        But what? Isn’t it? I don’t say that it will happen today or tomorrow, but the day after tomorrow it will certainly happen. yes as always, an example repeat : a neighbor came to you, says: I’ll put this equipment for you, pour this powder here, click on this red button laughing , on the other hand, take the finished product ... I will pay you $ 1000 wink you see that every day, from the "other side", 100 items come out, at a market price of $ 100 apiece ... belay and you want to say that you don’t take this equipment apart to make the same copy? and if you have a head on your shoulders and hands growing from the right place, don’t you try to improve it? and when you do all this, honestly say that you tell this neighbor? tongue
                      4. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 1 September 2013 19: 19
                        -1
                        This is not about copying production equipment, but about finished products. Can you imagine, say, what are microchips, and what is the difference between the process of their production and their development?
                      5. andruha70
                        andruha70 1 September 2013 21: 04
                        +2
                        You imagine, say, what are microchips,
                        represent wink I will say more, any microcircuit can be copied with the help of electronic tubes ... however, the size will be somewhat bulky ... it will be a macro ... laughing and now, on the merits: the equipment that produces microcircuits (finished products) is located in China, an enterprising Chinese man rivets a black batch of microcircuits during the night shift, his household members gather left iPhones from them in the backyard ... tongue in a year, he opens a small enterprise, in two, a factory, and in five years, he sends a profitable offer, which is not possible to refuse, to those guys who are developing these small circuits ... wink your problem, firstly, is that you have not encountered this, and secondly, there is a simple, popular wisdom: what one person can do, another can ... wink someone will need a day, someone a month, someone a year ... but he can ... do not have to consider yourself smarter than others. hi
                      6. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 2 September 2013 10: 36
                        0
                        a black batch of microcircuits, his household members from them collect left iPhones in the backyard.

                        So this is a simple fake, besides also illegal. To compete with Western companies, your Chinese must enter the market with something original, not an iPhone five years ago.

                        I imagine wink I’ll say more, any microcircuit can be copied with the help of electronic tubes ... however, the size will be somewhat bulky ... there will be a macro ...


                        This five! (C) Could you tell us briefly about the process of copying microcircuits "using vacuum tubes"?
                      7. andruha70
                        andruha70 2 September 2013 12: 12
                        0
                        This five! (C) Could you tell us briefly about the process of copying microcircuits "using vacuum tubes"?
                        however meticulous you are ... wink copied - not the microcircuit itself, but the "electrical circuit diagram" laughing if you’ve never built a radio yourself, you won’t understand it. request the principle of operation of the 60gg tube receiver and a modern gadget for receiving radio stations on one microchip (with the exception of small nuances) is exactly the same ... tongue the difference is only in size.
                      8. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 2 September 2013 13: 34
                        0
                        I have no more questions.
                      9. andruha70
                        andruha70 2 September 2013 16: 00
                        0
                        I have no more questions.
                        this makes me happy... wink
      2. andruha70
        andruha70 1 September 2013 13: 39
        0
        And which of us two is strange after this phrase?
        laughing no, well, what? Do you have four wheels? there is a steering wheel is there is is there a door is there is there is a motor too ... tongue repaired with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother ... good will pass there, where not every tank will pass ... laughing But seriously, I’ve written about the criteria for nothing ... winkSomeone needs a Bentley, and someone is happy pedaling a bicycle. yes as grandfather Einstein used to say: in the world, everything is relative. hi
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 1 September 2013 15: 59
        +4
        Quote: andruha70
        but seriously, I'm not in vain about the criteria I wrote ..

        Lada 4x4 is a good car for "my money". And he rides where many others, "sophisticated" sit on their belly.
        Not everyone can afford a "jeepar" for 1,5 lem and more.
      4. andruha70
        andruha70 1 September 2013 16: 21
        +1
        for "my own money" ... to allow "jeepar" for 1,5 lem and above.
        absolutely true ... hi it’s immediately obvious that everything is fine with you: the criterion for choosing a vehicle for transporting yourself, your beloved (and other loved ones and not so), to various geographical points on the ground. laughing but some individuals cannot understand such basic things. tongue
      5. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 1 September 2013 18: 22
        -1
        Well, here it tastes and color, as they say .... I still believe that the average citizen of the Russian Federation will prefer a foreign car to a domestic car industry as a family car. If the means allow, naturally.
      6. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 1 September 2013 20: 47
        +4
        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
        domestic auto industry as a family car

        And there is one. Budget, family, city-highway.
        What to go to the forest, to go fishing hunting?
      7. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 2 September 2013 10: 38
        0
        And there is one. Budget, family, city-highway.
        What to go to the forest, to go fishing hunting?


        As far as I understood from reading Russian automotive forums, your people are very fond of Subaru "Forrester" for this business.
  • 31231
    31231 31 August 2013 23: 33
    0
    The issue of price. How much does Focus from native Ford plants cost and how much from ours ?!
    Moreover, now, due to cheapness, the number of Chinese cars in our country has sharply increased. Despite the unimportant quality.
  • 31231
    31231 31 August 2013 22: 00
    0
    Alas, China has already seized part of the Western market with its purely products. And it's stupid not to realize it. And as a result, the "city of motors" and several other cities in the United States went bankrupt.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 1 September 2013 00: 38
      -1
      Detroit began to die in the 50s, and it fell in 1973 - the fuel crisis. The Chinese have nothing to do with it. Americans built too uneconomical cars. Read Lee Iacocca as he led Chrysler out of the crisis.
      Part of the volume of Western markets was seized primarily by Koreans and Japanese, the Chinese only go to this market.
      1. 31231
        31231 1 September 2013 09: 04
        +1
        Yes, I should get better. Not China, but the states of Southeast Asia. There you can mention both Taiwan and Singapore.
      2. andruha70
        andruha70 1 September 2013 21: 40
        +1
        Part of the volume of Western markets was seized primarily by Koreans and Japanese, the Chinese only go to this market.
        here, it’s the grain of truth. Korea and Japan were the same in China today, however, they managed to capture part of the market, and their innovative component was not too weak ... wink and you say, China ... yes, in about ... years, everyone will learn Chinese, and store the yuan in capsules ... laughing Nuuu, after they first learn Russian, and the yuan, they will store in the second capsule ... in the first, there will be rubles ... laughing
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 1 September 2013 14: 00
    +1
    Indian medications, the meat is Belarusian, the Internet is from a Russian operator, the operating system is Linux, the phone is not on the android but just on the buttons, all your most powerful economy is beautiful in China, the same Microsoft will never return to the states, the only thing that supports the buck is the American AUG and the fact that everyone in it is already sitting head over heels, so to speak, the world currency, I’m keeping silent about the US national debt.
  • WASABI
    WASABI 31 August 2013 14: 01
    +3
    Quote: Pimply
    USA can afford it.

    Than? Trillion-dollar debt? Although there is a certain logic in your words - what difference does it make how much is due to the whole world!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 14: 10
      -1
      Quote: VASABI
      Than? Trillion-dollar debt? Although there is a certain logic in your words - what difference does it make how much is due to the whole world!

      Do you know the basics of economics? Apparently - not really. The US economy is not only diversified, it also has an impact on ALL economies in the world. China's economic growth is tied to the US economy, the economy of most developing countries. And you have no idea how much the Russian economy is tied to the US economy.
      The Russian economy has its influence mainly through the sale of energy and natural resources - although in recent years they have been trying to change the situation. You recall that it was at a price of oil at $ 18 per barrel?
      1. WASABI
        WASABI 31 August 2013 14: 57
        +6
        Quote: Pimply
        Do you know the basics of economics? Apparently - not really.

        For that I see you they are familiar, like political science, the basics of government, tank building, aircraft manufacturing, small arms, rear support of troops, the basics of conducting covert (covert) operations (more than a dozen special services) ... Did you miss anything? Although I still forgot something. Yes, with such talents as you still find time on the site? You must be in demand and not just in demand, but must be in great demand ... What? Not?! I am shocked. belay
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 05
          -2
          Quote: VASABI
          You must be in demand and not just in demand, but must be in great demand ...

          And I am in demand. I just know how to correctly allocate time so that most of the current work for me to do others.
          1. WASABI
            WASABI 31 August 2013 15: 36
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            And I am in demand.

            Believe me, I'm just happy !!! lol
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 54
              0
              Quote: VASABI
              Believe me, I'm just happy !!!

              Well, then I'm glad, since you are pleased with such simple things hi
  • sashka
    sashka 31 August 2013 11: 16
    +5
    Immediately without reading the comments (unfortunately) So that someone's opinion does not change my ... We cannot afford such luxury. Then some tolerant non-humans will think that everything is allowed for them. We must stand to the end. Who can stop this and put it in the "right" place? Only Russia. There are no other options.
    1. berimor
      berimor 31 August 2013 12: 22
      +1
      Well, absolutely true !!!! If Russia gives slack in this matter, then all ... few will reckon with it. Of course, now it’s not the seventies in the yard, but 2013 (the forces are not the same yet), but there is an opportunity to prevent the presumptuous amers and their mongers from tearing Syria !!! The main thing here is to have political will and decisiveness and not look back at the machinations of your fifth column, which hangs like weights (these bastards have too many interests in the West)
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 13: 33
        0
        Your specific suggestions, please kindly voice.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 31 August 2013 11: 47
    +1
    The authors of the article have the same money on their mind. About conscience, elementary decency - not a word. Israeli traders cannot understand that friends are not for sale or bought. Here the Americans do what is beneficial for them. Yesterday's friend and ally can be sold with giblets. Russia is one of the few countries that acts in the international arena openly, honestly, relying on the principles laid down by the international community.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 12: 14
    0
    Jewish propaganda.
  • olviko
    olviko 31 August 2013 12: 26
    0
    atalef (2) IL
    "Well, now 100 billion have already been written off debts (in general, Syria is only 15) and which of them remained at least in allies?"

    Over the years, Israel has received hundreds of billions of dollars from the United States. At least they returned the cent, or did they work in kind?
    1. Artyom
      Artyom 31 August 2013 13: 24
      -1
      kind of course bully
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 13: 35
        0
        They themselves occupy why return to themselves? In the US Congress, 50%, if not more, are lobbyists of the interests of the state education of Israel with the corresponding names.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 32
      0
      Quote: olviko
      Over the years, Israel has received hundreds of billions of dollars from the United States. At least they returned the cent, or did they work in kind?

      The network has exact numbers - they are about 40 billion. Most of this money was received (relatively received, it can only be spent in the USA) for the transfer of the hydrocarbon-rich Sinai to Egypt, a piece of land that is twice the size of Israel.
    3. atalef
      31 August 2013 16: 03
      +2
      Quote: olviko
      Over the years, Israel has received hundreds of billions of dollars from the United States. At least they returned the cent, or did they work in kind?

      It’s good, at least not a trillion, but already worked with interest. The United States does not have a more reliable ally than Israel.
      1. 31231
        31231 31 August 2013 23: 20
        +1
        Can I copy your comment? and then some of your fellow citizens declare the independence of Israel’s foreign policy.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 44
          0
          Quote: 31231
          Can I copy your comment? and then some of your fellow citizens declare the independence of Israel’s foreign policy.

          The policy of Israel is completely independent. It may seem strange to you, but, nevertheless, it is.
          The United States has a definite influence on Israeli politics. But the reverse is also true. In addition, it is, although close to friendly, but it is allied relations. The United States has its considerable interest, including receiving a number of Israeli technologies. For example, Americans, paying for the production of LCDs, get access to all its technologies.
          1. 31231
            31231 1 September 2013 09: 06
            0
            You are sorry to bring such a comparison, but it is to the point. A prostitute in a brothel is also independent by law. But the customer is always right.
      2. olviko
        olviko 1 September 2013 14: 45
        0
        According to Washington's Middle East report, total aid at the end of fiscal 2000 was $ 91,82 billion. The report says that, according to research done for the US Congress, Israel receives about a billion dollars annually through charitable foundations (United Juish Apil), plus tax-free amounts. He receives about the same amount in the form of short-term and long-term trade loans, as well as about $ 500 million in profit from Israel securities.

        However, the actual amount of aid is much larger than that amount, since the interest that the United States must pay on the amounts paid to Israel must be taken into account. Richard Craitis (See Washington's report on the Middle East) estimates taxpayer costs at $ 134,8 billion, unadjusted for inflation. Kraitis further points out that American aid to Israel, with a population of only 5,8 million, exceeds aid to all sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined, which has a population of 1 million. ...
  • wax
    wax 31 August 2013 12: 32
    +3
    We cannot afford to help unleash a hot third world war; we can do the rest.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 31 August 2013 13: 08
    0
    Jews and the United States must be asked why Syria and Bashar al-Assad are needed. What is it about Syria that you are so eager to remove Assad?
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 31 August 2013 13: 14
      0
      Quote: bomg.77
      why do they need Syria and Bashar al-Assad

      To make life easier for Israel.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 31 August 2013 16: 26
        +1
        Quote: Hedgehog
        To make life easier for Israel

        They always strive for this, but why right now? Will the opposition be more favorable to Israel? I don’t think so. hi
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 16
          -2
          No. And if you think that this is the first time that power is changing in neighboring countries, but nothing is changing for Israel, then no. In the same Syria has changed several times. So Israel does not build hopes and just prepares for a new stage.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 52
      +2
      Israel does not seek to remove Assad. But if he is removed, he will not cry either. Assad and its adversaries are equally hostile to Israel.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 13: 56
        +2
        Israel in the near future (according to the plans of the arc of fire) will have many interesting events and not one son of Israel will think about why all this happened. You preferred Al-Qaeda to al-Qaeda with the expectation that you can control him, but this generation of darkness cannot be controlled. You were sacrificed 1 time in Europe to incite a world war, but as you can see, you did not learn lessons from this.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 59
          0
          Nobody preferred anyone. Clarity is war with Hezbollah? Or support for Hamas and Islamic Jihad? Strange such intelligibility. Israel is equally hostile to the guys who are fighting against Assad, and Assad himself. You would rather pay attention to real players - the Gulf monarchy.
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 31 August 2013 16: 16
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        Israel does not seek to remove Assad. But if he is removed, he will not cry either. Assad and its adversaries are equally hostile to Israel.

        Israel is hostile to everyone around it, this is an axiom, regardless of who controls these states. I asked what happened in these two years that the US and Israel have been trying so hard to remove Assad? Assad has ruled Syria for more than a year, however the question wasn’t so acute. I don’t think that the question is only about oil and gas from the Gulf, I think he would compromise and pass the pipeline through the country and receive money. To see something else is such that Assad does not accept, but to you (Israel and USA) it is very necessary.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 24
          0
          Quote: bomg.77
          Everyone around him is hostile to Israel, this is an axiom, regardless of who controls these states.

          Israel is happy to be friends with those who are ready to be friends. It is simply more profitable for surrounding countries to have the image of an enemy on whom economic or political problems can be blamed. Usually, Israeli attempts to establish a peaceful dialogue are cut off by Arab countries.

          Quote: bomg.77
          I asked what happened in these two years that the United States and Israel are trying so hard to remove Assad? Assad has ruled Syria for more than a year, but the question was not so acute.

          Firstly, why do you always take that this circus warms Israel. There are countries with their own interests - Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are building a caliphate, Turkey, the Neo-Ottoman Empire, and trying to gain leadership in the Islamic world, France. Even the same States jumped on the train on the bandwagon already.

          The question was acute, and if you think this is the first uprising, it is not. They tried to move Papa Assad in 1982. He put 40 thousand people. How sharp is it, in your opinion? In prosperous stable countries there are no revolutions. Revolution is a social request of society for change. Dictatorship, and even with an emphasis on religious affiliation, sooner or later causes outrage in society.

          Syria is a very poor country. In Lebanon, the Syrians were until recently in the position of Uzbeks and Tajiks in Russia. Plus, the main bread places were occupied by the Alawites and a very narrow layer of Sunnis. And the majority of Sunnis in the country.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 31 August 2013 20: 56
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            Israel is happy to be friends with those who are ready to be friends.
            Eugene, the problem is that your neighbors of the State of Israel do not recognize this as such and you are well aware of this. There are no points of contact, there are too many disagreements, plus territorial disputes.
            Quote: Pimply
            Firstly, why do you always take that this circus warms Israel. There are countries with their own interests - Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are building a caliphate, Turkey, the Neo-Ottoman Empire, and trying to gain leadership in the Islamic world, France. Even the same States jumped on the train on the bandwagon already.
            Without Israel, nothing happens in this region! Because of the environment, it must keep abreast and be ahead of all three or three moves forward. Regarding Turkey, with its pan-Islamism and pan-Turkism, it is a strong player in the region, but not independent. Qatar and Saudi Arabia just a raw materials appendage of the West and their ambitions can be realized if they coincide with the United States and others like them.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 31 August 2013 21: 02
              -1
              Quote: bomg.77
              Eugene, the problem is that your neighbors of the State of Israel do not recognize this as such and you are well aware of this. There are no points of contact, there are too many disagreements, plus territorial disputes.

              Indisputably. And the most convenient for most is not to recognize. Only Egypt and Jordan recognized. And then - there was no really good neighborly relations, it is enough to look at Egyptian films like "The Embassy". Valve too comfortable.

              Quote: bomg.77
              Without Israel, nothing happens in this region! Because of the environment, it must keep abreast and be ahead of all three or three moves forward. Regarding Turkey, with its pan-Islamism and pan-Turkism, it is a strong player in the region, but not independent. Qatar and Saudi Arabia just a raw materials appendage of the West and their ambitions can be realized if they coincide with the United States and others like them.

              The fact that nothing is happening does not mean that he is involved in everything and steers everything. Is there a first revolution in neighboring countries and a violent change of power? In Syria, there were two of them, in Egypt, a couple, Lebanon, except that Jordan resisted - but there was fun too, Black September had fun until it was smeared with tanks.
              And considering Qatar and Saudi Arabia only appendages of the West is not to understand the realities of the region. These are more than independent states, with their own ambitions, goals, and huge influence.
  • Proud.
    Proud. 31 August 2013 13: 19
    +1
    Moscow can quite afford to lose the Assad regime.
    O-la-la! Not correct, this conclusion is not based on analysis. Desire is heard.
    Thus, Putin has no economic motive to fight for the Assad regime
    Thus, the motives are not economic, the geopolitical motives.
    There are no political motives. President Assad is not President Maduro, President Morales or President Chavez. The regime in Damascus has never positioned itself as an ally of Russia, especially as an ally of Russia in the confrontation between the United States and the West.

    Prior to 2011, Syria was much more focused on the Gulf Cooperation Council, a political superstructure uniting the “gulf monarchies” - Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Oman, Bahrain and Kuwait. The explanation for this is quite simple: the share of only two countries, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, in the linear foreign trade turnover of Syria is three times more than the share of Russia (15,1% to 4,9%). The monarchies provided an inflow of investments in the infrastructure and tourism of Syria, which was easy, given the amount of resources available to them.
    Was it hooked up for subsequent slaughter? The "victim" did not consider herself as such.
    there are no iconic expressions of gratitude, nor mass "demonstrations of friendship" typical of Arab countries at the walls of the Russian embassy.
    Not all Arabs are the same. Not everyone loves to dance "Marlezon ballet", not everyone loves to contemplate it.
    (some sources claim that one: the second is dismantled and decommissioned)
    You don’t even know this, what kind of analysis are you talking about?
    the salvation of the Assad regime is not the motive that determines the policy of Vladimir Putin in the Syrian crisis.
    Already warmer.
    Medvedev was trivially deceived by the United States,
    A real promising politician is not kept.
    There is no return to Russia the role of a great power in the form in which the population of the country understands this
    Not a fact! This is your opinion, for me, as a citizen of Russia, it (your opinion) is secondary.
    The author of the article is Alexander Shpunt, director of the Institute for Political Analysis Tools (Moscow), professor at the Higher School of Economics, project manager for election campaigns of V.Putin (2000, 2004) and D.Medvedeva (2008), chief of the Eastern European Bureau of 9 channel.
    What an ubiquitous (with one "C") chef and director. A political strategist. But in general, such a perky one, only a little tricky, in appearance:
  • pensioner
    pensioner 31 August 2013 13: 38
    +2
    Alexander Shpunt, Director, Institute for Political Analysis Instruments (Moscow)
    How many institutions, centers, foundations, etc., have all the same spread! Horror! And all the money somewhere is found for their "research". With a clever look, they broadcast all sorts of nonsense on all kinds of resources. Somewhere I met a list of similar offices in the internet. It's a pity that I didn't copy it, but I couldn't find it again. What is there not! And this Institute of Political Analysis Instruments should be dispersed for one name, the building should be given to a kindergarten, the director, together with all the employees, should be removed to the collective farm. There they will be told about the tools of analysis and the party's politics ...
  • Pimply
    Pimply 31 August 2013 13: 38
    -2
    The big problem of Russia in international politics are three factors:
    1. Politics are often built not around direct or indirect benefits (well, what it is for in principle), but on the basis of the principle: "We must annoy the United States."
    2. All eggs are stacked in one basket. And if the basket breaks, Russia is left with nothing. The same States manage to maneuver, maneuvers China, France, etc. Therefore, these countries are firmly entrenched in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, and are building up their influence. In recent years, Russia has been losing influence.
    3. The policy of crazy spending. Russia lives as if it were still the USSR. But she is not. And writing off endless debts without getting any distinct benefits is insanity. Because China itself, writing off debts, gets access to politicians, resources, instruments of influence. The same goes for the USA. And Russia is simply writing off, writing off, writing off. And it just as well issues and gives out loans.
    Money is not endless.

    You can shout as much as you like about the benefits for Russia, about holding onto Syria. But pay attention. Syria is everywhere called the LAST Bastion of Russia in the Middle East. The last one. If the last bastion, then something is wrong with politics.
    1. Maverick78
      Maverick78 31 August 2013 14: 33
      +4
      1. Geopolitically, it so happened that the United States salt Russia, and therefore almost any defense by Russia of its interests turns into "salting the interests of the United States"
      2. Russia's foreign policy is far from ideal, but with whom did it increase its influence? Under Yeltsin or what?
      3. Here I agree. Even the Union did not pull such a policy. Instead of writing off debts from Syria, you need to get a REAL Navy in the Mediterranean, participation in some large-scale business projects in Syria, and you can come up with something else. Without dictatorship and pressure, but also for the benefit of yourself.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 August 2013 14: 38
        +1
        Quote: Maverick78
        1. Geopolitically, it so happened that the United States salt Russia, and therefore almost any defense by Russia of its interests turns into "salting the interests of the United States"

        They do not set this as an end in itself.

        Quote: Maverick78
        2. Russia's foreign policy is far from ideal, but with whom did it increase its influence? Under Yeltsin or what?

        And who said that under Yeltsin she was reasonable. Under Yeltsin, they began to lose; under Putin, they lost.
        Quote: Maverick78
        Instead of writing off debts from Syria, you need to get a REAL Navy in the Mediterranean, participation in some large-scale business projects in Syria, and you can think of something else.

        Exactly. About that and speech. I say that there must be a certain development strategy. Take a look at the same States. They cleverly maneuver between dictators and Islamists, trying to capture situations both there and there.
        The same with China - maximum pragmatism.

        Russia, on the other hand, is building a certain ideal of relations where it does not exist and cannot exist, and at the same time pays for it with its own money, and thinks that there will be a bed. Only the girl is actually a dynamo - she just wanted to have dinner for free.
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 31 August 2013 15: 13
          +1
          Given that we have similar opinions on this issue, it is impossible for Russia to build relations with MAXIMUM pragmatism. Politics is of course the art of maneuvering, but there must be principles. If you pursue a policy in the image of the United States, you can lose what the strength according to Bodrov Jr is. The truth. The Americans have already lost it.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 28
            -1
            Quote: Maverick78
            Politics is of course the art of maneuvering, but there must be principles. If you pursue a policy in the image of the United States, you can lose what the strength according to Bodrov Jr is. The truth.

            First you need to find this truth. Russia does not have a strategy for developing political relations. Now she convulsively grabs outsiders of world politics, and pays grandmothers.
            1. 31231
              31231 31 August 2013 23: 47
              0
              But now the Americans have snatched out only some leaders: the Baltic and Kosovo enclaves, and troubled Pashtuns.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 44
                -1
                They take what they have, because they have a lot of large allies. And small ones can be grown.
                1. 31231
                  31231 1 September 2013 09: 14
                  0
                  Latvia and Kosovo to grow in Israel?
                  Another beggar.
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 31 August 2013 13: 41
    0
    They think that RUSSIA will abandon Syria, only because Syria's share in the turnover is only 0,14 percent. They (Jews, the West, Amers) no longer surprise me with MONEY in their minds.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 13: 45
      0
      Jews always think from a position of profit, everything else is secondary.
    2. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 31 August 2013 14: 48
      +1
      Excuse me, who put the minus?
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 15: 26
        +1
        They are the most, who do you think?laughing
  • regdan
    regdan 31 August 2013 15: 10
    +2
    Citizens of Israel and amateurs of Israeli citizens, well, do not try to translate all conversations into money. All your arguments, who wrote off to whom, and so on and so stupid screeching. You are on the wrong site. Here people think wider. "Don't have a hundred rubles, but have a hundred friends" was not for nothing that smart people came up with. Citizens of Israel and amateurs of Israeli citizens, time does not stand still, I read your posts and the feeling that you are stuck in the last century. Finally start to develop, so soon you degrade to the level of barbarians.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 August 2013 15: 28
      0
      What is the meaning of international relations?
      1. regdan
        regdan 31 August 2013 16: 16
        +2
        The fact that you do not want to break the bomb without considering the consequences. For example, the United States is eager to bomb Syria without thinking about the consequences. The citizens of Israel chose Benjamin Netanyahu as the prime minister of the stupid person, without thinking about the consequences.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 25
          -3
          Quote: regdan
          The citizens of Israel chose Benjamin Netanyahu as the prime minister of the stupid person, without thinking about the consequences.

          What exactly is Bibi stupid?


          Quote: regdan
          The fact that you do not want to break the bomb without considering the consequences. For example, the United States is eager to bomb Syria without thinking about the consequences.


          The USA is just actively thinking. Because they do not bomb.
      2. WASABI
        WASABI 31 August 2013 16: 19
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        What is the meaning of international relations?

        I’ll try to predict your answer - in money (?).
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 26
          -2
          Quote: VASABI
          I’ll try to predict your answer - in money (?).


          Bravo! Are you already trying to answer a question with a question? 8)
    2. atalef
      31 August 2013 16: 05
      -1
      Quote: regdan
      Here people think more broadly. "Don't have a hundred rubles, but have a hundred friends" was not for nothing that smart people came up with

      It’s strange, why doesn’t Ukraine fit this proverb in any way?
      1. regdan
        regdan 31 August 2013 16: 13
        +5
        And who told you that Ukraine pushes Ukraine away from itself? Ordinary citizens of Ukraine want rapprochement with Russia, just as in Russia they want rapprochement with Ukraine. It’s not yet evening, soon corrupt Ukrainian politicians will run to the West and then time will put all the points on i. And you don’t need to attribute nonsense here about gases and greases.
        1. Anti
          Anti 31 August 2013 16: 27
          +4
          Quote: regdan
          Ordinary citizens of Ukraine want rapprochement with Russia


          et, for sure, read the lips of the Ukrainian gymnast !!!!! fellow

        2. Pimply
          Pimply 31 August 2013 17: 27
          -1
          Quote: regdan
          Ordinary citizens of Ukraine want rapprochement with Russia,

          Say it somewhere in the West of Ukraine 8)
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 31 August 2013 15: 17
    0
    Here is what Ivashov said:
    Leonid Ivashov: What is stopping them today? After all, apart from the musty speeches of the Foreign Ministry, Putin and others, we do absolutely nothing. After all, we were obliged, if there is a threat of armed aggression for a sovereign state, to do everything so that this state could defend itself - this is the principle of individual and collective defense. We had to, as a permanent member of the Security Council, promote this issue there. It does not work - it was necessary to convene the UN General Assembly - a threat to international peace, the shadow of the Third World War hangs. Humanity has entrusted us, one of the five states, with its security, I am talking about permanent members of the UN Security Council, why should we sit and wait - "will or will not"?
    We must attack them with political and diplomatic means, convene a permanent joint Russia-NATO alliance and warn: the first missile has flown, we are generally tearing up the fundamental act of partnership between Russia and NATO, withdrawing from all structures, recalling our representatives and declaring you "enemies of peace." Why can't we do this? Why don't we hold consultations within the SCO and BRICS, within the framework of the Arab League? And we don't do anything. Because the power is corrupt, they sold everything. Most Russian leaders have their own capital abroad, have their own real estate, etc. This is a stranglehold around the neck, and all the special services of Western countries are closely monitoring this and setting conditions: either you mumble something, express your protest and do nothing to prevent the aggression from happening - then your capital will remain safe. If you become too active, we will arrest your accounts, your property, as they have done more than once, showing us their readiness. And so we rent, we sell our friends, our people, our independence.
    http://anna-news.info/node/12279
  • Anti
    Anti 31 August 2013 15: 45
    +4
    Something in the tap water began to disappear .. what
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 31 August 2013 19: 23
      +1
      Quote: Anti
      Something in the tap water began to disappear ..

      Urgently need to bomb Israel! Well, or sprinkle chenid ​​over them, Schaub coughing for them ... Better yet, lose a vigorous bomb over them. By chance ... Somehow I see it ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 August 2013 19: 53
        -1
        There are one problems: the Israeli Air Force in size as the British Air Force and the French Air Force combined 8)
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 31 August 2013 23: 52
          0
          Well ... You can bomb from afar. A canopy ... it happened, like ... repeat By chance ... Who survived, you can sue the slammers against us ... In the case of the Zhirik, I do not exclude such a turn ...
        2. 31231
          31231 31 August 2013 23: 55
          +4
          Shaw is not allergic to "poplar fluff"?
          Ah, well done! Cyborgs, not people.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 1 September 2013 00: 09
            0
            Quote: 31231
            Shaw is not allergic to "poplar fluff"?

            !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ++++++++++++++ good hi Laughed well !!
            1. 31231
              31231 1 September 2013 09: 17
              0
              And I smiled at your Katz for a long time. On the Jewish theme, the most smiling forums.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 1 September 2013 01: 45
            +1
            Poplar fluff will not carry to Israel. The wind is not the same.
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 1 September 2013 10: 18
            +2
            Quote: 31231
            Shaw is not allergic to "poplar fluff"?

            They have a tool, "Tin Dome" is called!
  • 1st_user
    1st_user 31 August 2013 18: 05
    +2