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Israel becomes a little giant

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Israel becomes a little giant



Despite decades of Arab boycott and pressure on countries dealing with Israel, Israel’s military exports continue to grow. Last year, Israeli firms sold weapons worth $ 1.8 billion to America (mainly in the US, but a third of this was delivered to South America), $ 1.6 billion to European consumers and $ 200 million to African countries. About half of these sales accounted for by anti-aircraft systems.

Israel offers a wide range of anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems, many of which use successful Israeli air-to-air missiles in ground systems. Israeli air defense technologies have proven themselves in battle, renowned for their reliability and technical excellence and reasonable price. Israel is also a major exporter of military space satellites, night vision devices, surveillance systems and all kinds of military communications systems. Israel also ranks second after the United States as an exporter of UAVs and was the first to develop many of the key UAV technologies used by the United States. Israel is also a pioneer in the development of hinged armor for combat and non-combat vehicles. And also is one of the main developers of equipment for electronic warfare (for aircraft and ground vehicles). Among other things, Israel offers for export warships, the modernization of military aircraft and all sorts of technical services.

Thanks to all this, Israeli arms exports last year were again exceeding 7 billions of dollars. Four years ago, Israel became one of the four largest exporters of weapons on the planet, putting military equipment on $ 7.2 billion. The year before last, Israel exported billions of dollars to 6.9. The United States is the largest exporter of military equipment, followed by Russia and Germany. Israel holds the fourth position in the list of exporters despite its much smaller size than the countries in the top three (US population 310 million, Russia 142 and Germany 82 million, compared to 7.8 million in Israel). Israel’s defense exports account for about three percent of GDP, compared with 0.7 percent in Russia and even less than in the US and Germany.



Last year, half of the weapons exported throughout the world fell on the United States (mainly) and Russia. European countries have long taken the following three positions (Germany, France, and the United Kingdom). Recently, however, German and Israeli exports are gaining momentum. Other major exporters are Spain, China, the Netherlands and Italy. The top ten exporters account for more than 90 percent of total exports. The main importers are Middle Eastern Arab countries, India, South Korea, China and (until recently) Greece.

Israel and Germany increase their sales due to their reliability and quality. Israel has a major advantage over other exporters in that many of its weapons and military equipment have proven their effectiveness in battle. Often subjected to an arms embargo, Israel has learned how to design and build many of its own weapons systems and equipment. Thanks to a highly educated and motivated workforce, Israeli equipment is often world-class, and also cheaper and more reliable (and often tested in combat) than is similar to those made in the United States and in Europe.
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  1. xetai9977
    xetai9977 22 August 2013 07: 54 New
    18
    Indeed, the pace of development of Israel’s arms exports is astonishing. Without mineral resources, they relied on high technology and did not fail.
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 22 August 2013 09: 03 New
      11
      Quote: xetai9977
      Indeed, the pace of development of Israel’s arms exports is astonishing. Without mineral resources, they relied on high technology and did not fail.

      Israel generally well done, cancer throughout the Middle East put for 2 of their soldiers! And the air defense systems ... Russian (read Soviet) school is the best in the world, which Israeli designers who studied in the USSR proved once again.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 22 August 2013 12: 21 New
        +7
        There are relatively few Russian-speaking engineers in the Israeli military-industrial complex, to be honest - until recently there were only a few. Basically - a local technical school, which was initially quite strong.
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 22 August 2013 12: 44 New
          +4
          "Israel has a major advantage over other exporters in that many of its weapons and military equipment have proven their worth in battle." - apparently, we are also talking about the "highly efficient system" iron dome?
          "Experience in real use has confirmed the extremely low efficiency of the Iron Dome. Ineffective ... and too expensive to destroy pieces of flying pipes filled with sulfur ..."
          In the case of the massive use of real military missiles, Israel is completely helpless ... It is already obvious that no missile defense will help Israel now. No money is enough to cover the entire territory of the country from missiles.
          TEL AVIV, May 15 / Asian Reporter /. The Israeli Minister of Communications and Logistics has acknowledged the ineffectiveness of Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system, Mehr News reported.
          Gilad Erdan said that this system is unable to protect Israel from all missile attacks. Recall that Israel developed and deployed this system with generous financial support from the United States. The Israeli army claims that the Iron Dome intercepted 84% of the rockets launched by the Palestinian resistance from the Gaza Strip, but the Haaretz newspaper, citing Israeli intelligence, reports that this information is not accurate.
          The Iron Dome missile defense system actually intercepted only 5% of Palestinian missiles during the last war. “Well, who to believe?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 22 August 2013 14: 03 New
            +8
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            “Experience in actual use has confirmed the extremely low efficiency of the Iron Dome. Ineffective ... and too expensive to destroy pieces of flying pipes filled with sulfur ...

            Interestingly, for a long time they will quote nonsense from LJ?
            And mix it with a real and very intelligible statement by Erdan.

            Start over. What is an LCD? This is part of a missile defense system. It is clearly indicated, initially, that it does not shoot down ALL missiles. Moreover, it is indicated exactly which missiles he shoots, and under what circumstances.
            A) Missiles with a range of 4 to 70 km
            B) Flying to a strictly programmed residential area.

            What is the difference between LCDs and other systems?
            1) The reaction rate is less than one second
            2) Accuracy in the determination and selectivity of hitting a target in automatic mode
            3) The defeat of missiles by a missile defense with the formation of a minimum number of damaging elements
            4) Coverage area. Other systems are able to protect single buildings and complexes, LCD can protect the city.

            The effectiveness of the system is from 94 to 96% for missiles flying into the residential area. According to the experience of military operations, about 34% of missiles flew into the residential area. It was these missiles that were intercepted, and the system showed its high efficiency, and, at the moment, is very much in demand on the world market. She is interested in the USA, Singapore, South Korea (10 complexes - to protect Seoul), India.

            LCD is not a miracle system that can bring down ALL. This is not a fairy tale. This is a real military equipment. PART of a common air defense system, which consists of several defense levels. So stop writing nonsense.
            1. beard999
              beard999 22 August 2013 16: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: Pimply
              ) The reaction rate is less than one second
              2) Accuracy in the determination and selectivity of hitting a target in automatic mode
              3) The defeat of missiles by a missile defense with the formation of a minimum number of damaging elements
              4) Area of ​​coverage. Other systems are able to protect single buildings and complexes, LCD can protect the city

              1. And what is this “reaction rate"? Time from target detection to launch PR?
              2. Are you sure this is always a plus? And if the Hamas homemade will be with OV? It may not fall into the city limits (and therefore the Iron Dome will not bring it down programmatically), but there will be a lot of trouble from it anyway. You can’t hide from the OB in the basement ...
              3. And this, what kind of advantage, can you explain? "Tamir" has a non-contact fuse, i.e. for any lesion is applied by a fragmentation field. The bigger it is, the better. The “minimum amount" of PE works well against Hamas homemade products, but not the fact that it will work effectively against regular PCs and TRs.
              4. And what are these “other systems”? Battery "Iron Dome" according to the developer is able to defend the territory of approximately 150 km square. Absolutely nothing outstanding. For example, Buk-M2E with 9M117E, developed 20-25 years ago, provides defense on an area of ​​the same 150 km. sq.
              Quote: Pimply
              System efficiency from 94 to 96%

              Independent observers say smaller numbers. Jane's say 84%. Nikolsky on WiF, when preparing an article on "Iron Dome", wrote about 80%. Those. absolutely ordinary numbers for modern air defense / missile defense systems.
              Quote: Pimply
              She is interested in the USA, Singapore, South Korea (10 complexes - to protect Seoul), India.

              The Israelis have been repeating this mantra for the second year. But further, purely virtual "interest", the matter does not move. And will not move. It is clear that the Iron Dome can be, more or less effective, only in the specific conditions of Israel (not a large defense area, well-known launch areas, interception of improvised Hamas handicrafts). But for example, in the context of the South Caucasus, the Iron Dome will be completely ineffective. The Iron Dome battery is 60 Tamir OL on 3 trailed launchers. North Koreans for an ABSOLUTELY guaranteed penetration of one Israeli battery will need only 4 BM MLRS type "Grad". 2 BMs (80 RS) will fire a volley at the location of the Iron Dome launcher (even with a theoretical 100% interception of targets at the system, the PR will end), and 2 BMs (80 RSs) will cover the Iron Dome defended target. Bottom line - the Iron Dome battery is destroyed, the target is hit. And the North Koreans, armed with about 2600 BM MLRS ...
              1. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast 22 August 2013 17: 20 New
                +5
                We are talking about a missile defense system, which is sharpened for a specific task - intercepting short-range unguided missiles. What does the Buk have to do with it?
                Who should I believe - Nikolsky or with my own eyes, with which I daily watched the intercepts of Hamas missiles (BM-21 factory, and not homemade by the way) above my head?
                1. beard999
                  beard999 23 August 2013 15: 50 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  What does the Buk have to do with it?

                  You do not carefully read the discussion. Mr. Pupyrchaty wrote: “Other systems are able to protect individual buildings and complexes, LCD can protect the city.” SAM Buk, cited by me, solely as an example of the fact that this statement Pupyrchaty does not correspond to reality.
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  Who should I believe - Nikolsky or my own eyes

                  Nikolsky is a completely unbiased author, unlike you and Pimply. Moreover, Western independent experts call the figures close to Nikolsky, and not to what they compose on the crow's bark and then the Israelis replicate on Russian resources.
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  observed intercepts of Hamas missiles (factory BM-21s, and not improvised by the way) above his head

                  You might think that you are able to distinguish “above your head” a regular PC from the Grad system, from Hamas homemade products. Do not compose.
                  Say "factory BM-21"? Well, prove the presence of Hamas full-time MLRS. So far, in addition to idle chatter on your part, you have not presented any evidence.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 23 August 2013 21: 11 New
                    +2
                    Quote: beard999
                    You do not carefully read the discussion. Mr. Pupyrchaty wrote: “Other systems are able to protect individual buildings and complexes, LCD can protect the city.” SAM Buk, cited by me, solely as an example of the fact that this statement Pupyrchaty does not correspond to reality.

                    I recommend looking at the specifications of the Buk. It is intended to protect OBJECTS.

                    As for Nikolsky, do not tell, okay?


                    Quote: beard999
                    You might think that you are able to distinguish “above your head” a regular PC from the Grad system, from Hamas homemade products. Do not compose.

                    No overhead. On earth, yes.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 22 August 2013 18: 57 New
                +2
                Quote: beard999
                And what is this “reaction rate"? Time from target detection to launch PR?

                Less than one second elapses from the moment a target is detected to the launch of an interceptor missile. Target detection (in the conditions that are now) occurs within a few seconds.
                Quote: beard999
                2. Are you sure this is always a plus? And if the Hamas homemade will be with OV? It may not fall into the city limits (and therefore the Iron Dome will not bring it down programmatically), but there will be a lot of trouble from it anyway. You can’t hide from the OB in the basement ...

                Do you know anything about OB? Can you imagine the principle of action? Judging by the comment - not really.
                Quote: beard999
                And this, what an advantage, can you explain? "Tamir" has a non-contact fuse, i.e. for any lesion is applied by a fragmentation field. The bigger it is, the better. The “minimum amount" of PE works well against Hamas homemade products, but not the fact that it will work effectively against regular PCs and TRs.

                And what full-time RS do you mean? Or do you think that only Kasams are launched? As if Kasama had been a long time ago - this is the best of the options, mostly featured by factory-made Chinese and Iranian missiles.
                Quote: beard999
                4. And what are these “other systems”? Battery "Iron Dome" according to the developer is able to defend the territory of approximately 150 km square. Absolutely nothing outstanding. For example, Buk-M2E with 9M117E, developed 20-25 years ago, provides defense on an area of ​​the same 150 km. sq.

                And again you suffered the wrong steppe. Do you at least read what the Beech is for. It is designed to protect specific objects. OBJECTS. And not areas. That is the main difference.

                Quote: beard999

                Independent observers say smaller numbers. Jane's say 84%. Nikolsky on WiF, when preparing an article on "Iron Dome", wrote about 80%. Those. absolutely ordinary numbers for modern air defense / missile defense systems.

                Years look and dates. Now the third generation of Tamir missiles is coming, and there is a continuous improvement of the radar. And the initial numbers were even lower - 73%.


                Quote: beard999
                North Koreans for an ABSOLUTELY guaranteed penetration of one Israeli battery will need only 4 BM MLRS type "Grad".

                Tell it to South Koreans. What is the main charm - you do not look at the picture as a whole, but try to catch a piece. A piece was cut out of the overall picture - and there is nothing in the system except the LCD. The whole army has disappeared, only the dome is standing.
                1. beard999
                  beard999 22 August 2013 21: 47 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Target detection (in the conditions that are now) occurs within a few seconds

                  Something strange you wrote. I did not understand you. Let's make it simpler - give a link where you found out about “less than one second”, otherwise the developer’s site doesn’t say gu-gu, which is very strange why Rafael does not boast of such a small working time.
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Do you know anything about OB?

                  Oh, are you also a chemical weapons specialist? OK. Then my question will definitely not baffle you: what is the area of ​​damage (at a medium-fatal concentration) in a standard charge of 3,11 kg of sarin in RS 9M23.
                  Quote: Pimply
                  mainly featured by factory-made Chinese and Iranian missiles

                  Is it Hamas factory? We already had a conversation on this subject, remember? Then you could not give any evidence (photo / video) of the Hamas’s use of either “factory” missiles, or even more so, regular PUs for them. Self-propelled missiles "Qassam-1/2/3" and "Al-Quds-101" make up the vast majority of Hamas’s arsenal.
                  Quote: Pimply
                  OBJECTS. And not areas. This is the main difference

                  Already forgot what you wrote in your previous post? I remind you: "other systems are able to protect individual buildings and complexes, LCD can protect the city." So what are these “other systems”? Can you say specifically?
                  The defense of Buk-M2 "administrative-industrial facilities" is a full-time task http://www.niip.ru/index.php?ption=com_content&view=article&id=17:-q-2q-9317&cat
                  id=9:2011-07-06-06-33-50&Itemid=9 .
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Years look and dates

                  I was just looking. All these figures relate to the effectiveness of Iron Dome, according to the results of November 2012. Then there was a massive use of PR. There were no more fighting episodes of similar intensity. And where did you suck the numbers 94-96% BIG question. Even the Israeli side after the completion of the “Pillar of Fire” said that 84% of Hamas missiles were intercepted (from 100% defined (!!!) ID to intercept).
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Cut out a piece from the big picture - and there is nothing in the system except the LCD

                  You won’t understand that in Korea, it’s regular armies that are confronting each other, with full-time weapons, and not like in Israel, insurgents, self-made RS and PU. North Korean weapons are already constantly directed to South Korea. But the South Koreans can’t do anything. There are no open hostilities between the Koreans. And with a sudden blow by the North Koreans to Seoul or any other city, the ID will not protect against anything. 100 BM MLRS Grad is 4000 RS issued in 20 seconds. (i.e. 200 RS in 1 second). Hamas will not be able to achieve such a close-up density. Therefore, the Iron Dome is relevant only in Israeli conditions.
                2. nelson
                  nelson 22 August 2013 22: 03 New
                  +2
                  Do you know anything about OB? Can you imagine the principle of action? Judging by the comment - not really.
                  And what full-time RS do you mean?
                  And again you suffered the wrong steppe. There are relatively few Russian-speaking engineers in the Israeli military-industrial complex, to be honest - until recently there were only a few. But about the Izevskaya STEP they heard.
                  Tell it to South Koreans.
                  The main reasons given above are, so to speak, from the point of view of a very large science.
                  Anecdote on the topic: Euro-Arab war, from the Euro side ta-ta-ta, from the Arab side ta-ta, from the European side ta-ta-ta, from the Arab side ta-ta, from the European side ta-ta ta-ta, from the Arab ta-ta, from the Euro side, ta-ta-ta-ta, from the Arab silence, from the Euro side: why not shoot? Arab ammo ran out! So come here. I’ll sell you a couple!
                  1. Revolver
                    Revolver 31 August 2013 05: 53 New
                    0
                    Quote: nelson
                    on the Euro side, ta-ta-ta-ta, on the Arab side ta-ta-ta-ta, on the Euro side, ta-ta-ta-ta, on the Arab side, silence, on the European side: why not shoot? Arab ammo ran out! So come here. I’ll sell you a couple!

                    You forgot to mention that the conversation was in Russian, and this is absolutely necessary for understanding all the humor of this joke
            2. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 22 August 2013 18: 41 New
              0
              Pimply
              So stop writing nonsense.

              This "nonsense" according to you are your Israeli media. So all the claims are against them. I will answer even more specifically - I don't give a damn about your iron dome, its characteristics and other data, I just quoted your media. hi
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 22 August 2013 19: 05 New
                +3
                Well no. This nonsense is posted in LJ. Find the same phrase in the Israeli media - it will be fun. Erdan said specifically - LCD is not a panacea, and does not give one hundred percent protection.
          2. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 22 August 2013 14: 07 New
            +5
            The Iron Dome missile defense system actually intercepted only 5% of Palestinian missiles during the last war. “Well, who to believe?

            Rave. Already a hundred times discussed here. LCD calculates the flight path and intercepts only those missiles that should fall in populated areas.
            Efficiency during the last operation was above 90%.
            1. ruslan207
              ruslan207 23 August 2013 00: 48 New
              0
              Yes complete nonsense 90% oh this is Israeli boasting
          3. Dezzed
            Dezzed 22 August 2013 18: 11 New
            +3
            both numbers are correct, just writing slack it ...

            Of 100% of launched missiles, only 5% were supposed to fall in populated areas.

            84% of these 5% were beaten about "kipat barzel".

            I think a good result
          4. Revolver
            Revolver 31 August 2013 05: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            ... reports Mehr News ...
            Well, and whom to believe?

            And you think that you can trust Iranian sources, especially when it comes to Israel?
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 22 August 2013 22: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          There are relatively few Russian-speaking engineers in the Israeli military-industrial complex,

          There are not many talented engineers all over the world, so it’s quite natural that only a few work from the USSR in Israel.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 22 August 2013 23: 05 New
            +3
            No. This is not the case. The language and imigran barrier. In fact, true integration began relatively recently. The head of the Russian-speaking doctors' union appeared, along with several other large officials.
        3. ruslan207
          ruslan207 23 August 2013 00: 47 New
          -2
          Well, to Aliyah, something Israel did not draw on the space theme was it that specialists from the countries of the former Soviet Union developed this industry, but pimply and why are you in Russia and not in Israel like Russia and you have to root for?
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 23 August 2013 07: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: ruslan207
            Well, to Aliyah, something Israel did not draw on the space theme was it that specialists from the countries of the former Soviet Union developed this industry, but pimply and why are you in Russia and not in Israel like Russia and you have to root for?

            And as usual, you show that you have no idea what you're talking about, but keep it important for more confidence and aplomb, you can at least convince yourself.
            Aliya started in 91, the first Shavit with the Ofek satellite was launched in 88, development began in 82, what nafig Aliya? What are the specialists from the USSR?
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 23 August 2013 13: 07 New
            +5
            Apparently, the development of the space program since the late 70s and the launch in 1988 are engineers from the big aliyah that came in 1989?

            Can you tell me what nonsense about "hurting"?
      2. Rasan
        Rasan 6 June 2014 15: 50 New
        0
        Never a single Israeli designer - neither air defense, nor missiles, nor other equipment were trained in the USSR. If the family name is either local natives - sabra or repatriates from European countries or the USA
        In the USSR there were excellent air defense systems - at least formally - because starting from the 70s they did not participate in real battles, but Jews also created these systems in the USSR.
        The most outstanding, perhaps twice the Hero of Socialist Labor, the laureate of many Stalin, Lenin and State Prizes Lev Veniaminovich Lyulyev. It was Lyulyev who created almost all of the Soviet, and now - Russian - anti-aircraft - missile systems: "Circle", "Cube", "Buk", "S-300V",
        Anatoly Leonidovich Livshits. His name was kept secret, because it was Anatoly Lifshits who was the General Designer of the air defense and missile defense systems of the Soviet Union, with him and with his participation, defense belts were created for the cities of Moscow and Leningrad, the Far East, which still function today. Another Lifshits, but Mikhail Ilyich and his colleagues Loktev Lev Abramovich, Zalman Mikhailovich Benenson and others are the creators of not only anti-aircraft missile weapons, but also all the air defense and missile defense control systems of the Soviet Union.
        The Special Design Bureau team, led by Alexander Emmanuilovich Nudelman, designed almost all air guns - the main weapon of combat aircraft of the Soviet army. Most of the types of weapons developed by Nudelman consist in supplying the Russian army today. He is twice a Hero of Socialist Labor, twice a Stalinist laureate, three times a State laureate, a Lenin Prize laureate.
  2. svskor80
    svskor80 22 August 2013 08: 35 New
    13
    The Israelis squeeze the maximum out of their conditions of existence, one production of tanks is worth. But still, without the close support of the United States (this includes training specialists and directly technology, finance), I think success would be more modest.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 22 August 2013 09: 00 New
      15
      Quote: svskor80
      But still, without the close support of the United States (this is the training of specialists and technology itself


      The Soviet Union made the main gift to Israel - sent thousands of its specialists there, in turn, whose children also do not go to trade in the market or repair plumbing, but receive education and become specialists
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 22 August 2013 11: 03 New
        11
        Quote: bulvas
        whose children, too, do not go to trade in the market or repair plumbing, but receive education and become specialists

        By the way, among children of immigrants from the former USSR, there is a tendency to go to study as engineers or engage in exact sciences.
    2. Rumata
      Rumata 22 August 2013 09: 13 New
      0
      Quote: svskor80
      this is the training of specialists

      What kind of specialists?
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 22 August 2013 09: 46 New
        12
        What kind of specialists?

        It's probably still not about training specialists, but about the Soviet and post-Soviet Jews who left for their historical homeland.
        Considering that in the world rocket science is developed in 3 places (France-Germany-WB, RF, USA), the emergence of a strong school in Israel is probably a mix of developments introduced in the 90s by former Soviet engineers and the American school of rocket science.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 22 August 2013 13: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: svskor80
      But still, without the close support of the United States (this includes training specialists and directly technology, finance), I think success would be more modest.

      That's right!
      http://topwar.ru/32163-izrail-poprosil-ssha-ob-uvelichenii-voennoy-pomoschi.html
  3. Trailer
    Trailer 22 August 2013 08: 53 New
    +3
    Oh, touch it, so touch it. Well, recall the use of the most advanced weapons against irregular units of Lebanese volunteers in 2006:

    According to official figures, the Israel Defense Forces lost 121 people killed, including two killed after the ceasefire came into force. [32] 400 soldiers were injured. The greatest losses occurred on 12 of August, when 24 Israeli soldiers died. One transport helicopter was also shot down, all crew members were killed.

    According to V. Klyuchnikov, during the hostilities the Israeli army suffered the following losses in military equipment and weapons: damage requiring repair was received by 10 helicopters; in addition, according to various sources, from 60 to 150 units of armored vehicles (including up to 30 tanks) [2] were destroyed and damaged. According to O. Granovsky, about 60 units of armored vehicles received combat damage, including 48 — 52 tanks, of which 10 - irrevocably [33].
    1. Dezzed
      Dezzed 22 August 2013 10: 32 New
      +8
      Comrade!

      did you want shtob israel wetted the Arabs with the 0: 999 brush?
      we would like too, alas. when you learn yourself can share knowledge
      1. Trailer
        Trailer 22 August 2013 11: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: DezzeD
        did you want shtob israel wetted the Arabs with the 0: 999 brush?

        Well, it turned out with the account 5-1 in favor of Israel. But, just from above there is such a dispersion about Israeli technology that statistics for the war itself, which simply showed that Israeli technology dies in battle as often as it does not Israeli itself, simply asked for itself.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 22 August 2013 11: 35 New
          +5
          Quote: Karavan
          which clearly showed that the Israeli technique in battle perishes as often as non-Israeli.

          And what is written somewhere that Israel creates a magical, indestructible technique? The combination of good quality, reasonable price and, often, testing in real hostilities and no voodoo magic. Absolutely all tanks are burning, and the Second Lebanon War is not an example of poor Israeli technology or its crooked-handed operators, but to the fact that if a down driver is driving a well-functioning machine, it won’t go far.
          1. ruslan207
            ruslan207 23 August 2013 00: 54 New
            -3
            Rumata braggart Israel Binj Bay ate took where three houses are simply Arabs more happy than the Israelis would be rivals Rusak or the British here about victories and there can be no question just the American roof will always cover
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 22 August 2013 12: 24 New
          +5
          The Israeli army has serious restrictions on the use of its weapons. Israel cannot ignore international pressure like Russia. Therefore, where missiles could solve the matter, infantry was used.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 22 August 2013 13: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: Pimply
            Israel cannot ignore international pressure like Russia.

            Yes, you sho? Is Israel still under pressure?
            And who are these wicked?

            Quote: Pimply
            Therefore, where missiles could solve the matter, infantry was used.

            You are not talking about Syria ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 22 August 2013 14: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Flood
              Yes, you sho? Is Israel still under pressure?
              And who are these wicked?

              They danced a gypsy girl? Has it become easier? Have you become smarter from this? Clever? Maybe more beautiful. Bravo! Can you still jump?

              Quote: Flood
              You are not talking about Syria ...

              Tell me, can you hear anything clever from you? Well, for the sake of variety.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 22 August 2013 14: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                They danced a gypsy girl? Has it become easier?

                Why not dance. Only under such a compassionate melody of international pressure did the gypsy girl fail.

                Quote: Pimply
                Have you become smarter from this? Clever? Maybe more beautiful. Bravo! Can you still jump?

                After all, no one pulled your tongue. It must have been a rush of the soul. So I was drawn ...

                Quote: Pimply
                Tell me, can you hear anything clever from you? Well, for the sake of variety.

                I usually leave clever for clever interlocutors.
                You won’t even get a minus from me.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 22 August 2013 15: 16 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Flood
                  I usually leave clever for clever interlocutors.
                  You won’t even get a minus from me.

                  I'm smart. Confirmed by army tests, and IQ tests at psychology courses at the university. Give out something really reasonable. And then at the moment I see from you only hatred and ridicule, xenophobia and not the ability to lead a discussion. I also see a lack of real knowledge, attempts at trolling and rudeness. So, can you make up a reasonable post in which you could convince me and those around you that we have a smart person who understands the situation in the Middle East and knows how to conduct a discussion, and not a boorish xenophobic troll?
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 22 August 2013 15: 30 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Pimply
                    I'm smart. Confirmed by army tests, and IQ tests at psychology courses at the university. Give out something really reasonable

                    Bravo. But I, you know, let us down. Well, I did not pass the tests for i-c.
                    Therefore, I leave you in the unshakable confidence of your mental superiority. Not that you also stick a scan of the diploma, but I am not a boom-boom in Hebrew.

                    Quote: Pimply
                    And then at the moment I see from you only hatred and ridicule, xenophobia and not the ability to lead a discussion

                    Yornichanie - I accept. Is it punishable or censured? Everything has its place and time. And the place and time is the most successful.
                    Hatred? Nuka-nuka, where did you see her?
                    Inability to lead a discussion ... Give me time to think about what kind of meaning you could put into this phrase. It seems he was not rude and rude, unless in response, did not attract false information and did not draw unfounded conclusions.
                    Reveal the meaning to me, I myself will not think of it.

                    Quote: Pimply
                    I also see a lack of real knowledge, attempts to trolling and rudeness

                    Pimpled, this is the second time. True, the first time you explicitly stated that I was a troll. Now you are acting smarter and softer, which means that our communication is not in vain for you.
                    Rudeness ??? Tighten all your i-c and specify a line that would indicate this. Have you found? I dare to assume that this is a phrase about smart interlocutors.
                    And now, be careful, look what you wrote before the above. Help or master yourself?
                    Which of us is boor?
                    Real knowledge of what? The fact that Israel is one of the most aggressive states in the world, and guided only by its own benefits and not international standards? So I own them in the average volumes of the average citizen of Moldova. And this is enough for me for independent conclusions. I do not pretend to be more.
                  2. Flooding
                    Flooding 22 August 2013 15: 40 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Can you make up a reasonable post in which you could convince me and those around you that we have a smart person who understands the situation in the Middle East and knows how to conduct a discussion, and not a boorish xenophobic troll?

                    Who, other than your person, is sure that this is the case and not otherwise?
                    But I will not waste your time anymore. An empty lesson.
                    In my opinion, the phrase "boorish troll" characterizes you very well.
                    Moreover, a person who does not own a culture of communication. Otherwise, you would be anxious to confirm your ... accusations with any facts. But no, you are blindly convinced that for some reason I should convince you of my mental abilities.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 22 August 2013 15: 54 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Flood
                      Who, other than your person, is sure that this is the case and not otherwise?
                      But I will not waste your time anymore. An empty lesson.
                      In my opinion, the phrase "boorish troll" characterizes you very well.
                      Moreover, a person who does not own a culture of communication. Otherwise, you would be anxious to confirm your ... accusations with any facts. But no, you are blindly convinced that for some reason I should convince you of my mental abilities.


                      Bravo. Stream of consciousness, righteous anger, hitting attempts. Bravo! And only Again - zero on the topic, but only statements that try to offend me, but something there about Israel, which you strongly dislike. But something smart can never be seen. Sadness 8 (
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 22 August 2013 16: 18 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        And only Again - zero on the topic, but only statements that try to offend me, but something about Israel, which you strongly dislike

                        Pimpled, if you bothered to state your position reasonably, you would probably attend to correct form demand the same from interlocutors. Moreover, they would have the right to do so.
                        You demand too little from yourself, unreasonably raising the bar of requirements for opponents.

                        Quote: Pimply
                        The Israeli army has serious restrictions on the use of its weapons. Israel cannot ignore international pressure like Russia. Therefore, where missiles could solve the matter, infantry was used.

                        This is certainly not a stream of consciousness. This is a stream of facts.
                        Quote: Flood
                        You are not talking about Syria ...

                        But this is a completely unreasonable and unreasonable nonsense.

                        And yet, no matter how sorry I am to upset you, but for you to be considered a smart conversationalist, sometimes shaking with diplomas and IQ points is not enough.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 22 August 2013 16: 39 New
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        Pimpled, if you had bothered to state your position with reason, you would probably have bothered in the correct form to demand the same from your interlocutors. Moreover, they would have the right to do so.

                        And what correct form are you waiting for? Do you really think that leaving a meaningless commentary on a specific commentary, moreover, commenting boorish and stupid, you will have fun dancing here?


                        Quote: Flood
                        And yet, no matter how sorry I am to upset you, but for you to be considered a smart conversationalist, sometimes shaking with diplomas and IQ points is not enough.


                        Oh, yes, you so upset me that you just oh. Toucher. I fell. Died. Expired in blood. And now - well, you wanted a smart interlocutor. Mind is determined by intelligence level, right? You wanted specifics. So go ahead. You are building yourself a monument, trying to climb the ivory tower and look down on everyone from there. You see, the problem
                        a) do not know how to build
                        b) do not know how to climb
                        c) do not even know how to be rude normally, breaks down

                        So forward, I am still waiting for something other than trying to break off and the flows of consciousness.
                      3. Flooding
                        Flooding 22 August 2013 16: 43 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Do you really think that leaving a meaningless commentary on a specific commentary, moreover, commenting boorish and stupid, you will have fun dancing here?

                        All your babble about nothing. But these questions require your own comment.
                        What was the meaninglessness of my phrase? How did she seem to you boorish and stupid?
                        Let's get closer to the point. Do not smudge your highly intelligent snot.
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 22 August 2013 18: 57 New
                        +1
                        And blah blah blah again. Bravo! Bis!
                      5. Flooding
                        Flooding 22 August 2013 19: 18 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        And blah blah blah again. Bravo! Bis!

                        Is there really nothing more to answer my questions?
                        It seems that you really do not understand that you are acting badly insulting and blaming the interlocutor, without giving any explanation. Psychology course did not go for the future?
                      6. Pimply
                        Pimply 22 August 2013 19: 49 New
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        It seems that you really do not understand that you are acting badly insulting and blaming the interlocutor, without giving any explanation. Psychology course did not go for the future?

                        With wolves - like a wolf. And you haven’t shown yourself in any way except for mockery. Once again, compose a text that will show that you are more than a troll who only knows how to place letters incorrectly to imitate a Jewish accent. In the meantime, I see your reaction in the style of "kiso offended" Is it offended or is it capable of stepping over yourself and making something close to a comment on the topic of the conversation?
                      7. Flooding
                        Flooding 22 August 2013 20: 47 New
                        +2
                        Are you really so short-sighted?
                        I asked simple questions that you are not able to answer.
                        But your state of dumbness annoys you, and you begin to be rude.
                        Do you want me to start so that you are not bored?
                        Let me show you the development of events if you are a little blind, but what is required of you is to gather a handful of brains and attention.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Israel cannot ignore international pressure like Russia. Therefore, where missiles could solve the matter, infantry was used.

                        Quote: Flood
                        Yes, you sho? Is Israel still under pressure?
                        And who are these wicked?
                        You are not talking about Syria ...

                        Quote: Pimply
                        Tell me, can you hear anything clever from you? Well, for the sake of variety

                        Quote: Flood
                        I usually leave clever for clever interlocutors.
                        You won’t even get a minus from me.

                        Quote: Pimply
                        And then at the moment I see from you only hatred and ridicule, xenophobia and not the ability to lead a discussion. I also see a lack of real knowledge, attempts at trolling and rudeness. So, can you make up a reasonable post in which you could convince me and those around you that we have an intelligent person who understands the situation in the Middle East and knows how to conduct a discussion, and not a boorish xenophobic troll?

                        You see, a miracle is inadequate? You all the charges of trolling and rudeness pulled by the ears. Do you think coherently interferes with increased i-cue? So spit on him and start thinking easier.
                      8. Rumata
                        Rumata 22 August 2013 22: 10 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood
                        You see, a miracle is inadequate? You all the charges of trolling and rudeness pulled by the ears. Do you think coherently interferes with increased i-cue? So spit on him and start thinking easier.

                        Maybe stop doing graphomania. From your comments above, you can see that you are a classic troll, not a word on the topic of discussion, attempts to switch to a person or another topic that is more clear to you, for example, sheets of text with zero amount of useful information that cause cognitive dissonance. Pass by, there is still a lot of news and, accordingly, a lot of food for the troll ..
                      9. Pimply
                        Pimply 22 August 2013 23: 13 New
                        +3
                        And blah blah blah again, kiso?

                        Well, why aren't you a troll? In response to my comment, you climbed with the typical "yes you kill me" and other typical trolley gadgets. Kiso, don’t cry, is it really so offensive to receive yourself that you have saved for others?

                        Once again - try to write something on the topic. Maybe we respect you.

                        Instead of writing something, you are trying to prove how bad, stupid and rascal I am, in principle, how disgusting Israel is, and how good and righteous you are, who are unjustly offended by me.

                        But you still haven’t written anything intelligible on the topic. And why should we respect you, dear troll? Don't you like your own soup?
                      10. Flooding
                        Flooding 23 August 2013 12: 31 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Well, why aren't you a troll.

                        I already wrote everything to you. And I’m sure that you understand everything.
                        The specifics in my posts are no less than yours.
                        It started with a very specific example of Syria, and your "wow, you are a troll."
                        However, I had to stop earlier. You are a person for whom no one's argument is valid other than your own.

                        As for the troll, so you take full advantage of the troll vocabulary.

                        Quote: Rumata
                        Maybe stop doing graphomania

                        Rumata, you did not upset me with your "cognitive dissonance" well, not a drop. What are you, I already had the opportunity to understand. And I am very glad that Pimpled had just such a defender. This tells me a lot.

                        Quote: Pimply
                        And why should we respect you, dear troll?

                        Murzik, how cute am I to you? Your cute Rumata.
                        And what is your respect for me? Lay it at the door? Think what you write.

                        Quote: Pimply
                        And blah blah blah again, kiso?

                        Quote: Pimply
                        Don't you like your own soup?

                        Now both prove with foam at the mouth that this is not trolling.
                      11. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 August 2013 14: 23 New
                        0
                        Miracle, where in your words is specific? The fact that you are offended and puffed up?

                        Once again - write a text on the topic - and we'll see. Suddenly you are really worth something. There will be a surprise
                      12. Flooding
                        Flooding 23 August 2013 14: 57 New
                        -1
                        You do not know how to read, current confirmation of the insolvency of testing IQ? If the example of Syria is not specific for you, then what do you call specifics? your troll heaps?
                        I honestly tried to figure it out, confirmation of my many questions addressed to you. You seem to have nothing to answer except insults and self-praise.
                        I have not met a single smart person in my life who shouted "I am smart" out loud. You may be an exception.
                        Unfortunately, the format does not allow this protracted correspondence.
                        All further surprises in PM.
                      13. Pimply
                        Pimply 23 August 2013 21: 07 New
                        0
                        It all started with "Yes, you sho? Is Israel still under pressure?"
                        And who are these wicked ones? "
                        Amazing right

                        Then, when talking about a specific operation, for some reason you remembered Syria out of place. Why?

                        Then, "I usually leave the smart for smart interlocutors.
                        You won't even get a minus from me. "

                        So what, after that, do you wait for you to be treated with respect?
  • satellite
    satellite 22 August 2013 19: 47 New
    0
    For you, the aikyu test and any other tests are an indicator of development? I had a better opinion of you! ((
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 22 August 2013 19: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: satelite
      For you, the aikyu test and any other tests are an indicator of development?

      Yes, why? But the man here was outraged about himself, that type, he supposedly only talks to smart people. Formally, a smart person is above a certain level in certain tests. Formally. But then a man, trying to stand in the pose of my opponent, decided to show that he is smart here, and all the rest are fools. Well, as he himself, so am I with him. Is it shameful?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 22 August 2013 20: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        But the person here was hungry about himself, that type, he’s not only talking to smart people

        Fool, what I wrote can be re-read by everyone.
        And everyone will get the meaning of what I wrote except you.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 22 August 2013 23: 14 New
        +2
        Beat yourself in the chest with your fists. You're funny.
  • Mairos
    Mairos 22 August 2013 17: 39 New
    +4
    Yes, they press on them, they press. The same USA and the same Europe. As it is necessary to make friends with Arabs, so they press. Israel can be treated differently, but should be respected. Definitely.
    "Is there a place in the Universe where the words big politics and dru are not synonymous?" - Alexander Bushkov.
  • postman
    postman 22 August 2013 14: 07 New
    10
    Quote: Pimply
    The Israeli army has serious restrictions on the use of its weapons.

    Well, Eugene, you’ve certainly given a surplus here.
    Israel is famous for the fact that it "spits" on all international restrictions (I see nothing wrong with this, given its location and restrictions)
    The decisive role for Israel (apply / not apply) is still played by the domestic political situation (which is very true for Israel itself)
    Compare the "restrictions" that are carried out by the Russian Federation and Israel ....
    Did not meet (probably forgot):
    - capture of an airfield in a foreign country, with the aim of (noble) release of hostages
    -strokes on the bases and training camps of terrorists, chemical depots, poison. weapons in OTHER countries, at Nuclear Cents, NPPs ..
    (it wouldn’t be a bad thing to go through the Arabs of the Russian Federation so that all sorts of sheikhs do not appear in Chechnya and Dagestan)
    -The destruction of black-tagged (terrorists, Nazis) in foreign countries
    the abduction of criminals from other countries for justice
    well and so on
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 22 August 2013 15: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Postman

      Well, Eugene, you’ve certainly given a surplus here.
      Israel is famous for the fact that it "spits" on all international restrictions (I see nothing wrong with this, given its location and restrictions)

      I hasten to upset - this is not so. Israel is under a magnifying glass more than anyone else. For all the years of the Israeli-Arab conflict, less people died in it than in some serious mess in Africa, Chechnya, Afghanistan, and the noise from any operation - to the whole world.
      Therefore, Israel is compelled to act within the framework of extremely severe restrictions. Yes, he has support from the United States, for example - but it is strictly limited and regulated.
      I was once at an anti-Israeli demonstration in Brussels during Cast Lead (I came as an economic journalist). 50000 radical Muslims with fake Kasams.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 22 August 2013 17: 41 New
        +2
        Mdya .. 50000 Muslims in Brussels. Tolerance, tolerance .. Get fucked up. 500000 will be soon, however
      2. postman
        postman 22 August 2013 17: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        Israel is under a magnifying glass more than anyone else


        maybe
        But here he does (Israel), spitting on all restrictions, everything and as he wants (looking only at the internal reaction).
        Perhaps no longer anyone could (maybe).
        No, well, the US has larger-scale operations, but the number of Israel is a clear leader.
        (note I do not blame him strongly - try to live in such an environment)
        Quote: Pimply
        50000 radical Muslims with fake Kasams.

        Why are you surprised? 50? - what a trifle for the EEC (Kingdom of Belgium)
        Or what is in Brussels? So in what thread Paris for more would be.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 22 August 2013 18: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Postman
          No, well, the US has larger-scale operations, but the number of Israel is a clear leader.

          Are you kidding me? 8) No, the press may be so. I recommend that you start by exploring what is going on in, say, Africa or Asia.
          1. postman
            postman 22 August 2013 21: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            what is going on, say in Africa or Asia.

            Them (going on)?
            Well, I will give as an argument - PoluPot and rarekhmer ...
            It's about your remark about ISRAEL and its "law-abidingness" !!!
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 22 August 2013 23: 19 New
              +1
              Stop, which means - by them. Well, Israel is exactly the same country in the Middle East. For example, Sudan is massacre in Darfur or other provinces. Muslim Arabs massacred, slaughtered Christians and representatives of local religions. It caused indignation, but very quiet. So who are they? Or are you talking about mono-ethnic slaughter? Well it was Hutu and Tutsi. Negroes were cutting blacks. Massacre in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Recent massacre in Mali? Angola Yemen? In each of these conflicts - some of which continue to this day - hundreds, thousands of times more people are dying than in the Arab-Israeli conflict. And even more than in the Israeli-Palestinian.
              1. kurtz755
                kurtz755 23 August 2013 00: 21 New
                -4
                Israeli state - fiction
              2. postman
                postman 23 August 2013 01: 03 New
                0
                No, you wrote:
                [quote = Pupyrchaty] The Israeli army has serious restrictions on the use of its weapons.
                Israel cannot ignore international pressure like Russia
                [Quote]
                I ONLY ABOUT IT.
                Russia, compared with Israel, honey (And in vain!)
                By the way, I do not blame Israel for the policies and actions of Israel.
                The main thing is your people.
                They stepped on a corn (or just suggest) - ON THE TEETH
                And "international influence, control, etc."
                Israel signed NPT (NPT)? Nope. and nuclear weapons have ... Note. Whoever does not bomb Israel, and is not going to
                Israel signed (holds) the MTCR (MTCR) .. it seems not.
                and the RN has, I have not heard that they wanted to do with it, as with the DPRK. Yes, boh with this hungry country, REPUBLIC OF KOREA- from the USA you sew (Our angrau is being tested)
                ===========
                and those countries that you brought ..... well, not authoritative, it is outcasts (moral). Muammar Gaddafi, the unforgettable colonel, performed no "weaker" feats. WHAT to be equal to them then.
              3. Pimply
                Pimply 23 August 2013 13: 09 New
                +2
                Compare operations in Chechnya and Georgia and Lebanon and Gaza, for example. Honey - definitely.
              4. postman
                postman 28 August 2013 17: 40 New
                0
                Can.
                Silence about Chechnya, another time.
                What about Georgia?
                Airstrikes in Tbilisi Batumi and so on?
                Shelling them?
                Putting tanks in ??? To Adjara?
                Deportation of all Georgians from Russia
                Note.
                There wouldn’t be a Chechen one if (if only):
                - arrest of all "Chechen" money
                -Prohibition of any money transfers to / from (the same pension)
                - cancellation of passports (and Berezovsky then)
                -not transfer, but the removal of all weapons of the Ministry of Defense or its destruction
                deportation of all Chechens to Chechnya
                -blocking fuel and oil pipelines
                - no flights to / from
                - to take hostages, capture 10 hostages, destroy exciting
                Well, everything is like Israel (and rightly so, repeat)

                Tell me, did the Russian Federation bomb the warehouses and bases of Chechen fighters in Georgia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan?
  • Revolver
    Revolver 31 August 2013 06: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    50000 radical Muslims with fake Kasams.

    Eurabia ...
  • Rumata
    Rumata 22 August 2013 16: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Postman
    Israel is famous for the fact that it "spits" on the restrictions of all international

    Do you think Israel could not have turned Binj Bel into ruins where nothing alive could have survived? Why send troops there? It would be much easier to bomb everything to hell, and not lose your soldiers, but in this case the whole world will sing a song about genocide and the unjustified use of force for a year. That is why in Lebanon, in my opinion, there was a military operation, not a war, since during the war they use all available means. Israel is actually under the magnifying glass of the media, and every little thing has been procrastinating for weeks in newspapers and on television. During this time, another 100 civilians will be killed in Somalia, but everyone doesn’t care, because in Gaza a fragment, the child’s hand was scratched !!!
    1. postman
      postman 22 August 2013 18: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Rumata
      Do you think Israel could not have turned Binj Bel into ruins where nothing alive could have survived?

      But this is a rhetorical question.
      COULD NOT. everyone has in mind:
      Major Combat Malinkin received 17 years in prison, commander of the platoon Lieutenant Dakhan received 15 years, their subordinates received shorter sentences.
      Clause 125 of the Law on Military Proceedings of 1955-

      My answer was for E., regarding his statement:
      The Israeli army has serious restrictions on the use of its weapons. Israel cannot ignore international pressure like Russia ...
      1956 Sinai Preventive strike against Egypt (890th Airborne Battalion)
      ....
      "The wrath of God"
      .
      Operation Opera
      Well, and so on.
      I meant it.
      (Israel cannot .... ignore international pressure)

      ======
      I just did not understand about Russia.
      Where do we "ignore" it seems to me that the RF is too much "soft"
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 August 2013 09: 16 New
    +4
    And the United States is asking for money for arms ... Strange))))
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 22 August 2013 09: 25 New
      +2
      Why is it strange? Remember not that the Israeli lobby (this is a completed stage), but the actual fusion of this lobby and the ruling elite from the richest people in the country.
      1. wei
        wei 22 August 2013 14: 26 New
        -2
        agree financial background is equally important
        and yet yes they have good weapons do not take away this and as for the price, the author is disingenuous

        about FINANCE ideology mentally ignore
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 22 August 2013 09: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And the United States is asking for money for arms ... Strange))))


      Why strange? How is this money worse than others?
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 22 August 2013 12: 28 New
      +2
      And what is strange? Israel for this money gave a piece of land rich in hydrocarbons twice as much as its territory. A piece of land that could bring much more money.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 22 August 2013 12: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: Pimply
        And what is strange? Israel for this money gave a piece of land rich in hydrocarbons twice as much as its territory. A piece of land that could bring much more money.


        And it is not known how much more problems.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 22 August 2013 14: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: bulvas
          And it is not known how much more problems.

          Or how much less. Now Sinai is the domain of terrorists, and the flow of weapons through Gaza flows into Gaza.
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 22 August 2013 16: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: Pimply
        Israel for this money gave a piece of land rich in hydrocarbons twice as much as its territory. A piece of land that could bring much more money.

        An attraction of unprecedented generosity - give a piece of land that never belongs to the one who gives it! Wow! Frederick II turned over in his grave from envy !!!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 22 August 2013 16: 34 New
          0
          Give a piece of land, recaptured in the war. Are you ready, for example, to give Kaliningrad?
    4. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 22 August 2013 14: 17 New
      +4
      And the United States is asking for money for arms ... Strange))))

      I still offer to separate flies from cutlets. At the expense of American military assistance, Israel acquires American weapons from American companies.
      The article deals with Israeli arms exports. It is not necessary that the entire range of products for export is requested by AOI and vice versa.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 22 August 2013 10: 06 New
    +9
    "The author is translated by Professor" ... Professor, we could write an author's article about Israel ...
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 22 August 2013 11: 12 New
      0
      Yes, he translated himself - business something.
    2. Professor
      22 August 2013 16: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Native American Joe
      "The author is translated by Professor" ... Professor, we could write an author's article about Israel ...

      Do not tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go.
      1. The Indian Joe
        The Indian Joe 22 August 2013 22: 16 New
        -2
        Do not tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go
        - Tell me, Professor, are you all rude, or only to those who managed to adequately answer you? There is no answer, the question is rhetorical.

        And say, say, impotent, to make love, really tactless. It’s like asking someone to write something who has lost his literary gift a long time ago ...
        1. Professor
          22 August 2013 22: 29 New
          +2
          I already wrote to you that I do not feed the trolls. On a subject you can show off knowledge (a rhetorical question)?
          1. The Indian Joe
            The Indian Joe 23 August 2013 10: 25 New
            -1
            Everyone has an area in which he can show off knowledge, and so do I.

            But, interestingly, I asked you THREE questions that you have NEVER answered:
            1. Where is it written that a person’s mercenary can be considered only according to him only two or three signs?
            2. The original documents with the words "fight" and "reward" missing in them, as you said?
            3. How did you decide that the site of the lawyer's encyclopedia and all the others, from where I got my translations, are "leftist"?

            Although - I completely forgot that to all the inconvenient questions that you CANNOT answer, you answer with the words "I do not feed the trolls" - as in this case.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 23 August 2013 14: 21 New
              0
              You did not ask questions. You started with insults.

              Quote: Injun Joe
              1. Where is it written that a person’s mercenary can be considered only according to him only two or three signs?

              International law and protocols. There are quite clear and hard definitions.

              The definition of a mercenary was formulated in Art. 47 (2) of the First Additional Protocol [2] to the Geneva Conventions, which was signed in 1977. A person who is:
              specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in armed conflict;
              With „Р ° РєС‚РёС ‡ ески РїСЂРёРЅРёРјР ° ет непосредственное СѓС ЗЗ Р ° стие РІ РІРСРЅРЅР …РґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґР …РґРґР …РґР …РґРґРґР …РґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґР…
              takes part in hostilities, guided mainly by the desire to obtain personal gain, and which in fact was promised by the party or on behalf of the party to the conflict, material rewards significantly exceeding the rewards promised or paid to combatants of the same rank and functions included in personnel of the armed forces of a given party;
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              not included in the armed forces of a party to the conflict;
              not sent by a state that is not a party to the conflict to fulfill duties as a member of its armed forces.
              Based on this definition, neither the soldiers of the Foreign Legion of the French Army nor the soldiers of the Nepalese Gurkha units of the British Armed Forces are mercenaries, since, although these units are formed from foreigners, their remuneration corresponds to that of ordinary military personnel. Obtaining French citizenship is a "reward" in excess of the reward of ordinary military personnel.
              International humanitarian law (or the law of armed conflict) does not directly prohibit mercenaries, but merely means that mercenaries are not combatants and do not have the right to prisoner of war status. This means that a mercenary runs the risk of being prosecuted for participating in an armed conflict if captured.
              International treaties apply to those powers that have signed these treaties, unless the provisions of a treaty are recognized by customary law. By contrast with the Geneva Conventions, Additional Protocol I of 1977, by no means all countries, in particular, the USA did not ratify it. A recent study on the customary law of armed conflict, however, considers article 47 to be an established legal custom, that is, a norm that has become binding on all states.
            2. Professor
              23 August 2013 14: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: Injun Joe
              Everyone has an area in which he can show off knowledge, and so do I.

              I can’t wait until that bright day comes when you will sparkle with knowledge.

              As for the "Nemniks", I will post all the requested documents as soon as you show me the journalist's ID and Elena Gromova's accreditation.
              1. The Indian Joe
                The Indian Joe 23 August 2013 18: 20 New
                -4
                Professor, you yourself well know that Elena does not work as a journalist, and that she never claimed to be a journalist. She writes articles.
                But the fact that you blame the allegations alone does not give you the right to be unfounded yourself.
                Will you answer my questions?
                Of particular interest is, frankly, a nonexistent document, on the basis of which a person who corresponds to only two or three signs of a mercenary can be considered a mercenary, although he does not even take part in military operations or maintain military infrastructure, repair equipment, and so on.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 23 August 2013 21: 07 New
                  0
                  Elena is constantly positioning herself as a journalist.
                2. Professor
                  23 August 2013 21: 15 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Injun Joe
                  Professor, you yourself well know that Elena is not a journalist,

                  And who wrote this?
                  Quote: Native American Joe
                  Professor? You will forgive me that I was hooked on your mistake, but your point of view is diametrically different from those generally accepted in society, and I want to clarify just for myself - this whole society is not right, or you, spreading the term "mercenaries" to female journalist, which you are trying to discredit from, obviously, personal hostility (you can’t tell tales about lies).


                  Quote: Native American Joe
                  Well, you never had a sense of proportion, since you tried civil journalist (by the way, she's all right with accreditation, and even without it she would have been a journalist) put up a hired soldier - they also screwed in the propaganda term "information war")


                  Quote: Injun Joe
                  And your attempt to label Gromov as a "mercenary", identified by many narrow-minded people with the concept of "a mercenary soldier, a lawbreaker," is an ordinary pathetic trolling, which you do out of personal dislike for Elena Gromova, a brave journalist, and even if not a journalist, it’s just a writer who convicts the crimes of those whose successes you rejoice in - militant Islamists who cut off prisoners' heads, alive burning hostages and arranging terrorist attacks.

                  Split personality? It happens. wassat

                  Quote: Injun Joe
                  Will you answer my questions?

                  I repeat now for the last time:
                  http://topwar.ru/31717-prigovorennaya-strana-prodolzhaet-srazhatsya.html#comment

                  -id-1402245

                  13 August 2013 11:59 Now we are looking at the UN convention on mercenaries 44/34 of December 4, 1989, which came into force on October 20, 2001. Paragraph 1 defines a mercenary. Well, where are your fabrications? Where to "FIGHT", "weapons in hand", "reward received by a person ABOVE that ..."? But the most interesting thing is paragraph 1.2, according to which the mercenary does not even have to take a direct part in hostilities to be considered a mercenary. Match, dear, materiel.

                  Fed for the last (not last) time. request
                  1. Rumata
                    Rumata 23 August 2013 22: 05 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Professor
                    Split personality? It happens.

                    Face about the table with his own comments =))
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      2. Beck
        Beck 23 August 2013 01: 07 New
        +2
        Yeah. The military power of Israel at altitude.

        The extremist-minded Islamic neighbors of Israel must forget their 65-year-old slogans - Destroy Israel. Throw the Jews into the sea. At the moment, no one in the world, without consequences, Israel will not push.

        Jews will not allow the continuation of the 2000 summer persecution ending in the Holocaust of 1941 = 1945. And for this, the Jews have not only electronics, UAVs, ZhK, Tsahal. There is also something that the nuclear power experts are wary of.

        The Jews have a Jericho-3 rocket. With a range of over 6000 km, and this is the gradation of the Intercontinental Strategic Missile. And there are warheads for these missiles, and these are not watermelons. Jericho-3 guarantees any nuclear power unacceptable damage in the event of a catastrophic course of things.
        1. The Indian Joe
          The Indian Joe 23 August 2013 18: 22 New
          -3
          Blessed is he who believes, even if he is a child prodigy.
          Hitler at one time also considered himself the coolest on the continent.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 23 August 2013 21: 08 New
            +1
            And what does Hitler have to do with it?
            1. Beck
              Beck 23 August 2013 21: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: Pimply
              And what does Hitler have to do with it?


              I really did not respond to inadequate comments. After all, we can say that Napoleon considered himself cool. And where such a sew to the topic, one Indian Joe knows.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 22 August 2013 10: 08 New
    +3
    putting military equipment at $ 7.2 billion. The year before last, Israel exported $ 6.9 billion. The United States is the largest exporter of military equipment, followed by Russia and Germany. Israel holds the fourth position in the list of exporters despite its much smaller size than the countries in the top three (the population of the United States is 310 million people, Russia 142 and Germany 82 million people, compared with 7.8 million in Israel). Israel's defense exports account for about three percent of GDP, compared with 0.7 percent in Russia and even less than in the US and Germany.

    I do not believe Israeli propaganda!
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 22 August 2013 12: 30 New
      +1
      Several ratings confirm this. Usually give 4-6 places.
  • denson06
    denson06 22 August 2013 10: 15 New
    +4
    Well done, well, what can I say .. If the samples of this technique were bad - no one would take it ... it's a fact ..
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 22 August 2013 10: 17 New
    +5
    Professor, like this time you are weakly promoting the achievements of the Jewish VPK.
  • Roots
    Roots 22 August 2013 10: 33 New
    -2
    The fact that Israel is in 4th place in the export of weapons does not mean that Israel cannot be taken for the "soft spot", if anything ....
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 22 August 2013 11: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: Roots
      The fact that Israel is in 4th place in the export of weapons does not mean that Israel cannot be taken for the "soft spot", if anything ....

      The same logic can be applied to Russia, the USA or Germany ...
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 22 August 2013 10: 45 New
    0
    Well done Jews.
  • agbykov
    agbykov 22 August 2013 10: 56 New
    +4
    We must also take into account the fact that Israel is an almost continuously warring country (we will not mention the reasons).
  • rero
    rero 22 August 2013 11: 01 New
    +1
    This is due to the fact that it’s important to close such a bagaty of rinka brought down by the country as the Arab countries of the Gulf and China, it’s certainly more noticeable for the children to give Dizenia if you take into account that the lvinnaia of the Israel export is leaving the country very quickly
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 22 August 2013 11: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: rero
      ... UTB with uchiotam tovo that length Israelsk VPK close such ...


      judging by the language, the representative of a new generation of immigrants from the USSR wrote
      1. rero
        rero 22 August 2013 11: 53 New
        +1
        yes well .. like vi dagadalis ..
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 22 August 2013 12: 16 New
          +5
          I didn’t mean anything bad, on the contrary, it’s good that you don’t lose touch with Russia
          I have friends in Israel, they have to force their children to speak Russian
  • Semurg
    Semurg 22 August 2013 12: 00 New
    +1
    The fact that the article looks like an advertising booklet, well, such a style that everyone loves to boast of something bad, and if there is a basis under it, then, as they say, "God himself commanded." , either the Kazakhs forced the Jews to give a bribe, or by mutual consent). I hope with the next project, if there will be no such jambs. But their technology seems to be not bad and they know how to modernize the old well.
  • NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 22 August 2013 12: 25 New
    -2
    Something a lot of not happy Kazakhs, envy or what?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 22 August 2013 13: 28 New
      0
      Quote: NOBODY BUT US
      Something a lot of not happy Kazakhs, envy or what?

      No, not Kazakhs envy.
      More recently, the news was circulating that Ukraine was in fourth place at the end of 2012 with $ 1,34 billion. And here's the news for you: it turns out Israel is slightly ahead.

      http://topwar.ru/31430-eksport-ukrainskogo-oruzhiya-itogi-2012-goda.html
  • slaventi
    slaventi 22 August 2013 12: 48 New
    +2
    After reading the title, for some reason I remembered the film Little Giant ............, with Khazanov in the title role. Probably more suitable, Big achievements of a small country. But seriously. Among the Jews there are many talented scientists and engineers, many of whom worked in the military-industrial complex of Russia and other countries who left for Israel. There is the means to create new types of weapons and promote them on the world market, especially having such a "big brother" as America.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 22 August 2013 20: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: slaventi
      After reading the title, for some reason I remembered the film Little Giant ............, with Khazanov in the title role.

      Given the pace the population of Israel is growing - this analogy is appropriate.
  • dvvv
    dvvv 22 August 2013 13: 25 New
    0
    but I think that through Israel, American corporations, with the help of their co-religionists, turn over goods and trade ..
  • USNik
    USNik 22 August 2013 13: 39 New
    +3
    I mastered this article only because of the picture of two reconnaissance aircraft and electronic warfare in the picture. And I did not find anything except statement of facts in the style of KO. Although I liked the Russian tiger with the Israeli two-pipe KAZ on the roof. But because of the "lure" with airplanes, the article -.
    1. Grisha
      Grisha 22 August 2013 20: 20 New
      0
      100% agree!
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 22 August 2013 14: 01 New
    +4
    Weapon production and independence from foreign weapons is the only way Israel exists.
    Well, and as a by-product - the export of weapons for money. No one canceled my capital yo ...
  • Essenger
    Essenger 22 August 2013 14: 59 New
    +2
    Always treated with respect and respect for them.
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 22 August 2013 15: 56 New
    -1
    A Brief History of the Arab-Israeli Conflict
    [img] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cf5KBjOq2og [/ img]

    Yours! hi
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 22 August 2013 16: 31 New
    +1
    Something did not work, so I try again

    Translation: Primitive man: This earth is mine, God gave this earth
    Hananyi: ... to me, This marvelous and ancient land
    Egyptian: ... for me And when the morning sun
    Assyrian: ... reveals its hills and plains
    Israeli: Then I see a land where children can run freely
    Babylonian: So take my hand
    Macedonian: ... and go on this earth with me
    Greek: And walk on this beautiful land
    Descendant of Ptolemy: ... with me
    Seleucid: Although I am only a man,
    Jewish priest: ... when you are with me With God's help, I know that I can
    Roman: ... be strong

    (Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, Mamelukes, Turks succeed each other, again Arabs)

    British: Although I am only a man when you are with me
    Palestinians and Jews: With God's help, I know I can be strong
    Hamas and Hezbollah: To make this land our home
    Israeli soldier: If I have to fight, I will fight,
    Terrorists / Freedom Fighters: ... to make this land ours
    All together, in chorus: Until I die,
    Death, to the accompaniment of nuclear explosions: ... this land is mine
  • Rumata
    Rumata 22 August 2013 17: 58 New
    +2
    Meanwhile, a siren sounded in Naariya (a city in the north, not far from the border with Lebanon), residents heard a series of explosions belay
    1. Professor
      23 August 2013 08: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Rumata
      Meanwhile, a siren sounded in Naariya (a city in the north, not far from the border with Lebanon), residents heard a series of explosions belay

      Iron Dome shot down a missile fired from Lebanon
      The IDF has released information that the Iron Dome missile defense battery shot down a missile over Western Galilee.

      The rocket was fired from Lebanon.

      According to the information of the 2nd channel of Israeli TV, four Grad-type missiles were fired at Israel. One was hit by the Iron Dome, three fell in an open field. In at least one case, we are talking about a fall in the immediate vicinity of a small Israeli village.

      According to reports from Lebanon, two missile salvos were fired towards Israel.

      Missiles of the second salvo did not reach Israel and exploded in Lebanese territory.

      Lebanese media report that the village of Alma and the Rashidiya Palestinian refugee camps in southern Lebanon, on the border with Israel, are covered in black smoke. The origin of the smoke is not yet clear.
      1. Professor
        23 August 2013 16: 11 New
        +2
        however, there are failures ...
        IDF investigates the cause of the failure of the Iron Dome, which "missed" two missiles from Lebanon
        The Israel Defense Forces command set up a commission to investigate the Iron Dome missile defense system on August 22, when Israeli territory was shelled from southern Lebanon, Kol Israel radio reports.

        Recall that the Iron Dome shot down only one Grad missile, which could have fallen on a populated area. Two rockets exploded in the Western Galilee communities - at the kibbutz Gesher ha-Ziv in the vicinity of Nahariya and in the Shavei Zion moshav, between Nahariya and Akko, causing damage. The third rocket fell in an open area.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 23 August 2013 06: 44 New
    +2
    Not surprising! High-precision weapons, optical systems, avionics, etc. One can recall the Amerov F-15s after the Israeli upgrade, and also the Georgian T-72s which our tankers now grab, and even the old MiG-21s with Israeli avionics in the 3rd world countries. And all this is done by a country with almost no fossil resources, and even for little money. It becomes a little sad for the Russian Federation.
  • beifall
    beifall 24 August 2013 06: 49 New
    0
    Let us upgrade our cardboard T-72 tanks to at least chariot 3 !!!!!!!!!!! Well, drones will begin to collect + aviation is very useful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • labendik
    labendik 25 August 2013 17: 28 New
    0
    Whether someone likes it or not, but for what Jews do not undertake, they do it, practically, better than anyone else in the world. After all, never fought before !!!
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 25 August 2013 17: 36 New
      0
      Quote: labendik
      After all, never fought before !!!

      Are you sure about that?