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Political analyst Vladimir Zharikhin: "The destruction of the Ukrainian economy may occur"

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Political analyst Vladimir Zharikhin: "The destruction of the Ukrainian economy may occur"
Ukraine stubbornly rushes to Europe, ignoring adverse economic forecasts. Paying for the front of the leaders of a neighboring country will be ordinary citizens, said Deputy Director of the Institute of CIS Countries Vladimir Zharikhin.



- The Ukrainian government has published a draft association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union. It includes the creation of a free trade zone with the EU.

Both Russian and some Ukrainian economists have repeatedly argued that the agreement is unprofitable for Ukraine. However, these arguments were not accepted. Assertiveness of the leading politicians and most of the legislators in lobbying the mentioned agreement is explained by some of them by their commitment to the “civilizational choice” of the country. Say, Ukraine confirms its intention to drift in the direction of "cultural Europe".
But what prevents the Verkhovna Rada itself from adopting “civilized” laws and striving for their implementation without creating some kind of “free trade zone with the European Union”? We are faced with a situation where they hide the true cause of a responsible political step and prefer to hide behind words. And the reason for this is the iron will of the real owners of the Ukrainian political class - local oligarchs, who benefit from such a run on the spot, but supposedly “towards the European Union”.

Note that every sane person understands: no one will accept Ukraine in the EU in the next decade. By the way, the above-mentioned agreement does not provide for its membership in the European Union. And it itself will come into force only when it is ratified by the parliaments of all EU member states. It will take several years. In addition, we cannot exclude situations when some “freedom-loving parliament” will condition its signing of the document with the consent of the Ukrainian leadership to release Yulia Tymoshenko or anyone else from prison.

How does Ukraine intend to build its economic policy in the coming years in anticipation of a “fateful” decision of the EU and refusal to join the Customs Union, in which it is only an observer? Apparently, he hopes to preserve the existing customs privileges in trading a wide range of goods with Russia.

What to do in this situation of the Russian Federation, other countries of the Customs Union? Of course, it is psychologically difficult to perceive oblivion by the closest neighbors of the traditions of our brotherhood. Moreover, the publication of the draft agreement with the EU was regarded by some “patriots of Ukraine” as a defeat for Russia. But for some reason these gentlemen forget that our country can also behave pragmatically.

A month ago, at a representative bilateral conference, the Ukrainian oligarch and Verkhovna Rada deputy Petro Poroshenko said something like this: do not build special illusions, anyway, the draft agreement with the European Union will be signed. There are all the documents necessary for this, and the agreement 80 percent of the deputies of parliament, including those representing the ruling Party of Regions. And soon the Roshen company, which belongs to Poroshenko and supplies confectionery products to Russia, had serious problems related to the claims of Rospotrebnadzor to the quality of sweets and chocolate. And if such scrupulousness will be presented in relation to other Ukrainian goods? Why do we have to turn a blind eye to the careless work of the enterprises of the oligarchs of the neighboring country, especially in a situation of unfriendly behavior on their part?

In the end, Russia is even profitable if Ukraine decides to unilaterally focus on the EU. After all, then entire high-tech sectors of the Ukrainian economy will begin to disappear - mechanical engineering, aviation industry, aerospace industry ... For the reason that there will be no customers. As for the Russian Federation, I believe that it has the right to decide not to use composite products of the country associated with our geopolitical rivals. The Russian Federation can switch to self-sufficiency, use the capabilities of the "assembly shop" both at home and in Belarus. Of course, such pragmatism will adversely affect the standard of living of ordinary Ukrainian citizens; but the "elite" of this country also broadcasts on their behalf. Voters are also responsible for the behavior of the politicians they have elected.

It is possible that the destruction of the Ukrainian economy may even occur, and this country will act in relation to Russia as just a supplier of labor. Well, it will be more profitable for our employers to recruit guest workers from Ukraine than from the countries of Central Asia.
So no one is going to unleash Ukrainian politicians. Do you guys like Europe? Well, go there - that is your choice. But keep in mind: you will be robbed there, as sticky, and you will come to us again - only in what capacity?
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  1. igorra
    igorra 16 August 2013 07: 39
    +6
    That you are still babysitting the Little Russians, wherever they want, let them stomp there. As my eldest son says: "I will learn from my mistakes, not yours."
    1. Canep
      Canep 16 August 2013 07: 47
      13
      In my opinion, the time has come to exponentially tighten the nuts in relation to Ukraine. In order to clearly show what awaits Ukraine after signing the agreement with the EU in Vilnius.
      1. Alez
        Alez 16 August 2013 09: 02
        10
        Not even screwing, but hammering in with a sledgehammer. Why should we buy products from countries with unfriendly policies. Russia should have a doctrine where it should be spelled out, in case of hostile actions of the Countries, expressed in ignoring, infringing on the interests of Russia, infringing on Russian citizens, language, culture, rewriting and denigrating the history of Russia, denying the role of Russia in the Second World War. Russia has the right to ban the import of goods from an unfriendly country, to release energy only at the market price, to declare politicians persona Non grata, etc. etc. Take a look at America, which just does not get up and embargo and seizure of accounts, a ban on working with companies.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 16 August 2013 12: 33
        -1
        Quote: Canep
        In my opinion, the time has come to exponentially tighten the nuts in relation to Ukraine. In order to clearly show what awaits Ukraine after signing the agreement with the EU in Vilnius.

        Minesweeper, ask how many wagons and trucks with Ukrainian goods are on the Russian border. They began to screw, in my opinion, from the wrong end.
        About 1000 wagons stand only near Bryansk.
    2. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 16 August 2013 08: 00
      +5
      "I will learn from my mistakes, not yours."
      If this is an agitation then it is not very successful, because the presence of brains suggests learning from the mistakes of others. what
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 16 August 2013 08: 06
        0
        I wonder who will win, reason or democracy in Ukraine? If Ukraine slumps out of the pit, it will certainly not come out!
        1. 30143
          30143 16 August 2013 10: 10
          +3
          Contrary to reason, democracy will prevail. This nation has degraded in 20 years. And eager for Europe ... to make pots. And the Russian Federation is also to blame, it has always relied on who and what is not clear.
          And now everyone shrugs their hands. How stupidly it all began, so stupidly everything will end ...
      2. agbykov
        agbykov 16 August 2013 21: 07
        -1
        Resolve a question? How often have you seen people who study / learned from the mistakes of others? I would call these wise ones already, and the smart ones to learn from their mistakes, while fools repeat their mistakes - a personal everyday observation.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 16 August 2013 08: 03
      +1
      Quote: igorra
      "I will learn from my mistakes, not yours."

      They say "not smart" (filter "swears" laughing ) to learn from his mistakes, and the clever one from strangers ... But through his “own” stuffed “bumps” it comes faster, and what is important, I don’t want to “repeat” ... request
      1. 755962
        755962 16 August 2013 11: 52
        -1
        zone creation free trade with the EU.

        Don’t tell, people! What kind of freedom are we talking about?
        That's about the "zone", it will definitely be ...
        And at the expense of "tightening the screws", after the ban on the products of the Ukrainian confectionery company "Roshen", the Russian side included all Ukrainian exporters without exception into the list of risky ones, according to the Federation of Employers of Ukraine (FRU)
        The organization notes that Russian customs officers have further strengthened risk prevention measures, and thus, Ukrainian exports to the Russian Federation are suspended for at least several weeks, or even months.
        http://www.aif.ru/money/article/66014
  2. krasin
    krasin 16 August 2013 07: 40
    +3
    Russia does not see an adequate partner for itself in Ukraine and, having finally become disillusioned with the ability of the regionals to think and at least defend their selfish interests, as well as realizing that the rest of the pretenders to power are even worse, took a position of expectation and accepted the fact that it will have to choose Ukraine when everything collapses, and then restore order here, establish life, restore the economy.
    1. Rosomaha67
      Rosomaha67 16 August 2013 10: 03
      0
      .... but they will be more accommodating, and they will sweep away the Western scum. we don’t have to get our hands dirty! am
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 16 August 2013 11: 24
        -1
        Quote: Rosomaha67
        .... but they will be more accommodating, and they will sweep away the Western scum. we don’t have to get our hands dirty! am


        More accommodating? Hardly, not that mentality ...

        "Western contagion" carefully handed down with your own hands, so easily, take and destroy?

        Quote from the movie:

        Nerd, you should not have stolen
        these bottles and smash them.
        - Smash it? - Smash it.
        - Half liter? - Half liter.
        - To smithereens?
        - Of course, to smithereens.
        - Yes, I am for this ...
  3. vitek1233
    vitek1233 16 August 2013 07: 42
    -1
    Abroad will help them
    1. fokino1980
      fokino1980 16 August 2013 08: 54
      -1
      This promise never worked !!! laughing Always made worse!
  4. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 16 August 2013 07: 50
    +2
    Ukraine nevertheless headed for Europe! What a drum around her neck and a flag in her hands! But we just need to firmly warn ... that if we "pay for their fun" in the form of purchases of second-rate products and the supply of certain types of raw materials on preferential terms (to support the Ukrainian people who are not indifferent to us!), And it will "dance" with Europe, then henceforth they will not have such a "good life"!
    Already "bells" have sounded - both with the reduction of quotas for pipes ... and with ROSHEN products ... and now with the introduction of the FCS status for Ukrainian goods "special risk"!
  5. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 16 August 2013 08: 00
    +5
    Are you guys attracted to Europe? Well, go there - that is your choice.

    Very correct words. You will not be forcibly sweet, and in general, everything is relative.
  6. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 16 August 2013 08: 02
    +6
    Is Ukraine torn? Yes, the people of Ukraine are not torn either in the EU or in the CU. And there is shitty, and there is shitty. They will have for a poor relative and for handouts forced to lick the hand, and maybe kiss the ass.
    Why did Yanukovych turn to the EU? Everything is very simple. Ahead of 2015. Vyuory. Flirting with the west of Ukraine. He even allowed a walk in Bandera’s homeland in Donetsk, under the protection of the police.
    If he loses the elections, which is more than 50 percent of the probability, if the "opposition" wakes up, they will "present" the new president with the plundered, plundered and sold with giblets, and he and his "family" will hide in the direction they know. The actions of the "guarantor" and "power" do not at all touch the interests of the people and do not represent the interests of Ukraine, therefore, we must call everything by its proper names.
    Not Ukraine, but Yanuovich and the "family" are torn. There is a bottomless abyss between Yanukovych and the people. Ukraine has been seized by criminals and turned into the territory of URKAINA controlled by criminal oligarchic clans.
  7. makst83
    makst83 16 August 2013 08: 14
    0
    The trouble is that in Ukraine there is no real, pro-Russian-minded president and unfortunately will not!
    1. kind
      kind 16 August 2013 08: 29
      +1
      How to know, how to know? !!
  8. Jarilo
    Jarilo 16 August 2013 08: 36
    0
    In fact, Ukraine needs to take a sober look at what is happening with those countries along which it wants to go. And the following happens: the closure of its own production and pumping money (loans). As a result, dependence on lenders. I’m afraid that de facto this has already happened to Ukraine, it remains to be consolidated de jure, so nothing can convince them anymore. It’s the same as convincing a drug addict.
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    1. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 16 August 2013 11: 45
      +4
      Of course, I am a fan of demotivators and I am convinced that Ukraine is getting quite deservedly!

      But the dear is compelled to ask you a question: will you recognize your grandfather in this column of your grandfather?
  10. Georges14
    Georges14 16 August 2013 08: 54
    +4
    Operation Compulsion to Friendship and Brotherhood began.
  11. fokino1980
    fokino1980 16 August 2013 09: 09
    +3
    The tightening of customs controls on Ukrainian goods has led to a surge of anti-Russian rhetoric among Ukrainians. MASS MEDIA. "Lonely beekeeper" Yushchenko, abruptly stopped drinking and began to play his favorite song written by his American wife "They want to deprive us of our nezalezhnosti oath moskali" and other politicians echo him! The people are being completely brainwashed. The main idea of ​​all these "squares" you (the people) feel bad because Russia is to blame, just look at how they treat us. And it boomed hawala! And I'm ready to go to the EU! There are no sane-minded politicians in Ukraine, and I'm afraid there won't be for a long time! And if so, then with all the brotherly feelings, etc. it is necessary to tighten the policy in relation to everything Ukrainian, from goods to culture. No matter how Russia acts, it will still be to blame, so why are they ashamed? You can't be cute! Tired of behaving like not even prostitutes (I will do everything for the money), but like, in the end, sluggish slut!
  12. PavelOPG
    PavelOPG 16 August 2013 09: 30
    -10 qualifying.
    we will be pigs. saloids wassat
    1. gura
      gura 16 August 2013 09: 59
      -6
      From Minsk. Yes, looking at the previous comm, I want to take junk, and run, from the "big brother"! Although, probably, there are not so many such idiots in Russia. And, seriously, if Ukraine is so determined, it means, at least, oral agreements with the EU already exist. And for Russia, this is not good. A normal neighbor is better than an offended relative. Even in a nightmare, your VVP and Shoigu will not see NATO missile defense missiles somewhere in Konotop, or Shepetovka!
      Or an airbase in Crimea, opposite the palaces of the GDP in Sochi! Putin and his government behave with post-Soviet countries like an elephant in a china shop. And this is not good. Therefore, our AHL does not "piss at the gums", especially now, with GDP. Keeps his nose downwind. And rightly so. "Demonstrative flogging" of Ukraine is before our eyes.
      1. fokino1980
        fokino1980 16 August 2013 10: 08
        +1
        What a fine fellow! And how beautiful everything is, and about missile defense and about Shoigu with Putin! Are you by any chance my friend not one of these? negative You can not answer! And so everything is clear!
        1. gura
          gura 16 August 2013 10: 21
          +1
          From Minsk. Yes, there are a lot of intelligible, much more than thinking, preferably - with your head!
    2. 30143
      30143 16 August 2013 10: 12
      0
      These are the sayings that scare away the saloids from drunks
  13. eplewke
    eplewke 16 August 2013 09: 39
    +1
    as if a split in Ukraine did not happen ... Let Putin, all Ukrainians who want to cross the border and live in Russia and see that half of Ukraine will fall ...
    1. 30143
      30143 16 August 2013 10: 14
      +6
      easier! it is necessary to simplify the procedure for issuing citizenship, like Romanians
    2. fokino1980
      fokino1980 16 August 2013 10: 20
      +2
      So they're on their way! Sobyanin generally said that we were evicting the Asians from Moscow and waiting for the Ukrainians, working hands are needed, but they are still "birds from our population" laughing
  14. vadson
    vadson 16 August 2013 09: 50
    0
    everything has long been calculated to the penny, Ukraine will quickly be allowed into the EU BUT on enslaving conditions. The oligarchs will get a bunch of candy wrappers in banks controlled by the West. Industry destroyed, Europe a new market and resources. Baltic States 2.0
  15. serioga
    serioga 16 August 2013 10: 03
    +7
    Quote: fokino1980
    The tightening of customs controls on Ukrainian goods has led to a surge of anti-Russian rhetoric among Ukrainians. MASS MEDIA. "Lonely beekeeper" Yushchenko, abruptly stopped drinking and began to play his favorite song written by his American wife "They want to deprive us of our nezalezhnosti oath moskali" and other politicians echo him! The people are being completely brainwashed. The main idea of ​​all these "squares" you (the people) feel bad because Russia is to blame, just look at how they treat us. And it boomed hawala! And I'm ready to go to the EU! There are no sane-minded politicians in Ukraine, and I'm afraid there won't be for a long time! And if so, then with all the brotherly feelings, etc. it is necessary to tighten the policy in relation to everything Ukrainian, from goods to culture. No matter how Russia acts, it will still be to blame, so why are they ashamed? You can't be cute! Tired of behaving like not even prostitutes (I will do everything for the money), but like, in the end, sluggish slut!

    I am Russian and live in Ukraine and everything that Russia makes worse for the people who live there because the people and the government are two opposite camps. the government with the aligarchs has already brought the people to such a state that everyone is no longer thinking about politics, but about how to survive in this impasse. One exit is an armed coup, but there is a dead end too. Ukraine has long sold all weapons. (my son was drafted into the Ukrainian army in Odessa district in 2006, there were 250 new recruits in the unit - and so the oath was detained for 4 hours due to the fact that they couldn’t be found on all machine guns, the first shireng was with machine guns and the next with wooden models,) so the Ukrainian people will not succeed in overthrowing our government scumbags without the participation of Russia. I do not speak for western Ukraine, these are 2 different nations and nothing in common between them.
    1. 30143
      30143 16 August 2013 10: 17
      +3
      I fully support. The feeling is that everyone rushes in the same train into the abyss ... Some are already expressing themselves that they would rather !!!
    2. saha471
      saha471 16 August 2013 16: 10
      0
      Yes, that's right! The government is filthy! And our people are good! And it is useless to offend him (the Ukrainian people)! What are we Russians? It will be worse for him! Yes Yeli-Pala! But what are we to do, do you think? Russia gave Ukraine a lot on the basis of "brotherhood". And the Ukrainian authorities took it all, raised the oltigarchs and barked at Russia. And we remember that the people are fraternal. We helped - the Ukrainian authorities "rolled" us over and over again. When something is needed, we are brothers! ”They shout. When it is not necessary, "ni? Mi samostiyni!" We must be respected! Our course - To Europe - forward! So the question is, WHAT IN THIS CASE DO WE DO ???? Do you want to be strangers? It's a pity ... But so be it. But then do not be surprised - the attitude as to strangers. You can't be half pregnant! It's clear!
      1. 30143
        30143 16 August 2013 16: 36
        0
        The following algorithm should work: give some money, report back, and then we'll see ... give or not.
        See how amers with the IMF. The conditions for granting loans are dictated, and the Ukrainian authorities are turned inside out to please.
        And everyone KNOW that Russia will always help!
        It should be tougher like amers!
  16. Imigrantt
    Imigrantt 16 August 2013 10: 17
    +9
    I have been living in Crimea for several years and come to the conclusion (there is an anecdote about Sherlock Holmes and Watson who, with the help of a smoking pipe and dipping the mouthpiece into his own point, weaned Holmes from smoking! But he himself is very used to the pipe!) when they put the audience in a knee-elbow position and began to moisten the "pipe", and everyone got used to dipping! And now a habit from above reasonable desire! Everyone is unhappy, but mooing like a flock of a rod where the shepherd will point! Some quit smoking while others got used to the pipe !!! And no-no tube! It is a fact! The ruling elite of Ukraine, long ago shit on the public, the country is practically artificially divided into two parts, and this is skillfully used by the vassals obeying the "families"! And families steal the latter, and take advantageous steps in their own interests, since the moo servants use the "pipe"! And they do not care what will happen to Ukraine tomorrow, they have everything and not in Ukraine! And the "Pans" are afraid of Russia, because in Russia there are "Pans" too, but more powerful, and there are more of them, who are very willing to add "lords" from Ukraine to the "pipe"! Output; skim the last cream, get a few more loans from the EU, cut them into your own pockets, and then leave this financial desert with colossal debts and slaves!
  17. Gecko
    Gecko 16 August 2013 10: 46
    +2
    My personal opinion is based on knowledge of history and my own life experience. It is necessary to take away from Ukraine all the territories donated by the Russian Empire, by the right of the fact that they hate this empire due to which they have grown territory and population, using all methods up to extreme measures and release the rest of the real Ukraine on all 4 sides and forget, tear out of the heart forever. It’s like with an unfaithful wife who takes away all the gifts given for all the years of marriage, when she goes to another. New Russia and Crimea were donated by Russia, and these are huge territories up to half of the territory of this state and the best because this is the entire Black Sea coast, a huge number of Russian and Russian-speaking population. Enough already to let the Russians spit in our faces while earning and making money on us, it is time to give everyone too much presumptuous teeth. It’s time to really become bad since all the same, for all of us we will not be good, but their expectations must be met. We always wanted everyone to like it, they gave us the territory and built the infrastructure, but they did not respect us and they will never respect us, but they will at least be afraid.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 17 August 2013 01: 10
      +1
      Quote: gecko
      We always wanted everyone to like it, they gave us the territory and built the infrastructure, but they did not respect us and they will never respect us, but they will at least be afraid.

      + 100 500. good
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 17 August 2013 13: 53
        -2
        we we we we ...
        and Ukrainians probably were sitting on the stove?
        Well, you have arrogance
  18. pa_nik
    pa_nik 16 August 2013 11: 02
    +4
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    The actions of the "guarantor" and "power" do not at all come into contact with the interests of the people and do not represent the interests of Ukraine, so we must call everything by its proper names.
    Not Ukraine, but Yanuovich and the "family" are torn. There is a bottomless abyss between Yanukovych and the people. Ukraine has been seized by criminals and turned into the territory of URKAINA controlled by criminal oligarchic clans.


    Yes! Yes!! and YES !!! good
  19. Jet blackbird
    Jet blackbird 16 August 2013 11: 15
    +2
    First, you need to ask yourself one question: Who owns the power in Ukraine? - power in Ukraine "belongs" to oligarchic clans, including the "Family" clan of President Yanukovych. These "oligarchic clans" keep their money in the areas of jurisdiction of Great Britain and the United States. In exchange for the anti-Russian and anti-Ukrainian policy, the authorities (oligarchs) of Ukraine received the right to "legality" of their assets in the West. The question is ?? : Where will Ukraine go? - where the "custodians of assets" will point her to))
    On the "other side" - Russia's policy towards Ukraine has always been die-hard, pompous (imperial) and idiotic)), probably just such a "policy" was beneficial to the corrupt Russian politicians who acted to please their "main geopolitical rival." It turns out that on the one hand, on the other hand, the interests of corruption "collided" and not the interests of two "fraternal" states.
    1. Begemot
      Begemot 16 August 2013 12: 28
      0
      Can you tell me what kind of policy should be implemented so that it is not stupid and not stubborn?
      1. Jet blackbird
        Jet blackbird 16 August 2013 12: 56
        0
        Russia needs to be shown an "example" in: respect for the rule of law, respect for human rights, respect for the territorial integrity of other states, effective economic policy and a real fight against corruption and not a complete profanation of all of the above ...
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 17 August 2013 01: 12
      +1
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      First you need to ask yourself one question: Who owns the power in Ukraine?

      Minus only for "in Ukraine"I did not read any further.
  20. pa_nik
    pa_nik 16 August 2013 11: 18
    +2
    Quote: fokino1980
    tighten the policy in relation to everything Ukrainian, from goods to culture.


    Divide and conquer in action. Unfortunately, not in our hands, but against us ..

    Quote: fokino1980
    And pipel it hawala!


    What about our brains? Are they not "flushed"?

    Quote: 30143
    The feeling is that everyone rushes in the same train into the abyss ... Some are already expressing themselves that they would rather !!!

    Quote: gura
    From Minsk. Yes, there are a lot of intelligent


    Brothers, hold on !!

    We pass the zone of turbulence, fasten everything to everyone winked

    grandfather was harder (probably recourse )..

    I am sure that everything will settle down and fall into place. The main thing is to survive and not break each other's throats until the arrival of universal agreement.

    drinks
  21. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 16 August 2013 11: 20
    -2
    Quote: gecko
    My personal opinion is based on knowledge of history and my own life experience. It is necessary to take away from Ukraine all the territories donated by the Russian Empire, by the right of the fact that they hate this empire due to which they have grown territory and population, using all methods up to extreme measures and release the rest of the real Ukraine on all 4 sides and forget, tear out of the heart forever. It’s like with an unfaithful wife who takes away all the gifts given for all the years of marriage, when she goes to another. New Russia and Crimea were donated by Russia, and these are huge territories up to half of the territory of this state and the best because this is the entire Black Sea coast, a huge number of Russian and Russian-speaking population. Enough already to let the Russians spit in our faces while earning and making money on us, it is time to give everyone too much presumptuous teeth. It’s time to really become bad since all the same, for all of us we will not be good, but their expectations must be met. We always wanted everyone to like it, they gave us the territory and built the infrastructure, but they did not respect us and they will never respect us, but they will at least be afraid.

    So it’s like that, only you don’t have to dissolve the snot; now we’ll pick it up, you’re talking about the nonsense. You yourself will come to pick it up and give it to you by the teeth? Who cares? This is war and enmity forever. Stop whining, who makes money on you, specifically? Not a post but a bunch in a puddle.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 16 August 2013 11: 32
      -2
      50% of the territory donated to you, is it not profit, it is real estate from real estate for centuries, and the factories built by the USSR that you all pissed off, I'm not talking about the gas that you received for 15 years at 40 UE, oil at prices below world prices, fuel for nuclear stations. You don’t poke me, and you whine a puppy, I have already come out of this age. And believe me, I can hold and use the AK-74 and RPG-7 for their intended purpose.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 14: 42
        0
        Quote: gecko
        I can hold and use as intended and AK-74 and RPG-7

        here it is ...
        then they were right
        it’s better to stay away from people like you. If in nete they start threatening with weapons ... I’m scared, the right word
      2. 30143
        30143 16 August 2013 16: 41
        -2
        These are the ones that spoil the whole attitude. After your statement, it is necessary to send all of Russia to hell.
        Personally, this attitude worries me, but do I need to deal and communicate with you now?
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 17 August 2013 01: 16
          -1
          Quote: 30143
          These are the ones that spoil the whole attitude. After your statement, it is necessary to send all of Russia to hell.
          Personally, this attitude worries me, but do I need to deal and communicate with you now?

          I think you are right. It is really better not to deal with people like you in Russia.
          But the gifts ALL pick up.
          And you can’t do anything except figs in your pocket.
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 17 August 2013 13: 49
            -1
            Quote: ATATA
            But we will pick up ALL the gifts. And you cannot do anything except figs in your pocket.

            don't hyster not to face those
  22. serioga
    serioga 16 August 2013 11: 23
    +2
    Quote: 30143
    easier! it is necessary to simplify the procedure for issuing citizenship, like Romanians

    Romanians have been sending their agitators to Bessarabia for 20 years so that the Moldavian population of Bessarabia supports them in returning Ishmael to the Romanians, but the Bessarabian Moldovans did not support them, so they went the other way, they offer the youth of Bessarabia to study in Bucharest on favorable terms, and many have already taken advantage of this. so that Russia would follow this path remembering its history and the Russian people living there. Ishmael is the glory of our great-grandfathers and the Russian SPIRIT
  23. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 16 August 2013 11: 48
    +3
    Kind! Taking into account the long history of the peoples of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, the common tribal roots of people, the neighborhood and, in the end, the imaginary brotherhood in one direction on the part of the Russian Federation, I think it's time to stop talking in a language of persuasion! Ukraine is clearly bored with various benefits! They have with us, but do not want to give anything in return! in the vehicle, they also do not want! I’m generally silent about gas! It’s time for the younger brother to show what it can be with him in case of integration into the EU because, making money mainly in the Russian Federation, their elites openly shout and strive with the EU, undermining our geopolitical influence in the region, to build bridges - not guys, do not sit on 2 chairs! Enough. Tired of your exhaust, it's time to decide or you will be determined! Thousands of railcars at the border are just flowers and you won’t get around Kazakhstan. Sincerely.
  24. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 16 August 2013 11: 49
    +1
    Quote: gecko
    50% of the territory donated to you, is it not profit, it is real estate from real estate for centuries, and the factories built by the USSR that you all pissed off, I'm not talking about the gas that you received for 15 years at 40 UE, oil at prices below world prices, fuel for nuclear stations. You don’t poke me, and you whine a puppy, I have already come out of this age. And believe me, I can hold and use the AK-74 and RPG-7 for their intended purpose.

    Well, who whines this and the hedgehog is understandable: we presented, and instead of standing in a knee-elbow pose, they are always a whore, they show off - they want to become a separate independent state, right now we will force them to peace and eternal friendship ... If we can keep the machine in your hand is where you were in 1991. when the state whose flag is decorated with your nickname collapsed, you and traitors like you betrayed the oath of allegiance to the USSR, generation 50-60gg.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 16 August 2013 11: 56
      +3
      Do not tell me, you want to become an independent state under the deep patronage of the EU, if you used to stand at least cancer (as you expressed by your own feelings), then now you will suck Brussels to the fullest (this is such a Kama Sutra). I’m saying, bring it to your masters in Poland, but return the presents, otherwise it somehow turns out ugly. And then you want to eat a fish and sit on xyz.
    2. 30143
      30143 16 August 2013 16: 44
      -1
      Well done! The words "If you know how to hold a machine gun in your hand, then where were you in 1991 when the state was destroyed"
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 16: 49
        -3
        Well, the gecko needs to forgive him cry for Yaroslavna's murdered union ...
        just now imperial ways are gnawing, they are eating away from the inside ...
        there was a union, there were fraternal republics, and now they are trying to do brothers with the help of AK ... sorry.
  25. Sineys
    Sineys 16 August 2013 11: 57
    -3
    Do not entertain yourself with illusions. Ukraine has its own interests, which, surprisingly, do not coincide with the wishes of the leaders of Russia. Hence all these gloomy horror stories and trade wars. But ... does not grow together. By the way, read http://yalta.kiev.ua/index.php/2013-07-09-19-00-15/14-2013-07-09-18-59-22/248-le
    ysenko
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 16 August 2013 12: 03
      +3
      I’ll tell you when in a few years you will join the EU and work somewhere in England, cleaning another toilet or taking out a duck, don’t cry, be strong, because it was your choice.
  26. Sineys
    Sineys 16 August 2013 12: 08
    -3
    Quote: gecko
    I’ll tell you when in a few years you will join the EU and work somewhere in England, cleaning another toilet or taking out a duck, don’t cry, be strong, because it was your choice.

    The time will come and see who, where and what will be done.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 16 August 2013 12: 14
      +2
      Believe me, what I have already achieved in this life, you can only dream about it ...
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 14: 45
        -4
        Quote: gecko
        what I have already achieved in this life, you can only dream about it ..


        Vladimir Vladimirovich? Did not recognize you. Excuse me generously.
  27. Jarilo
    Jarilo 16 August 2013 12: 23
    +3
    Wait, wait. What is the interest of Ukraine in association with the EU? An association is not even accession to the EU, it is an undertaking in the absence of obligations on the part of the EU, it is a voluntary transfer of part of the state functions to Brussels, it is opening its own market for foreign goods. Where are the interests of Ukraine and what do you want Russia to do?
  28. Sineys
    Sineys 16 August 2013 12: 26
    -3
    Do not "poke" me a stranger, I also do not play in the sandbox. And who is measured longer is the lot of youngsters.
  29. Kite
    Kite 16 August 2013 12: 32
    +2
    quote: "..... Say, Ukraine confirms its intention to drift towards" cultural Europe "." - I still don't understand where this "brand" - "cultural Europe" came from, in history there are only opposite facts. It cannot be argued that a short burst in the development of arts and science in Europe provided her with such recognition, and not the European politicians themselves appropriated this "title", puffing out their cheeks with their last strength. As if the "title" protects against claims for the Inquisition, colonialism / crusades, world wars, the ideology of tolerance (do not care) inside and interference in external affairs for personal gain. It is more appropriate to define this place as an incubator of mold (mold).
  30. saha471
    saha471 16 August 2013 12: 43
    +4
    Yes, we have to admit that it is impossible to keep Ukraine in Russia's orbit now. There have already been many persuasions. The arguments are like peas against the wall. And to force? Well, you can, probably! But how? Well, do not go to the brothers with a shovel !!! I will definitely not go and I will sharply oppose! So nothing will work. Therefore, even though this is "high politics", one must act as people do. Very often, a light fight (like in childhood - to slap each other on the sopatka!) Is the first step towards mutual understanding and true friendship. Not a fight, but a brawl! No serious injury. So let them do what they do. We will be in the role of a calm neighbor and in the "tobacco apart!" It is good for everyone. And we have less trouble. And let them learn for themselves. And the conclusions will be drawn by YOURSELF. And if there absolutely smells of something heavy (who will go to war against them (God forbid !!!) or something else), we will get involved. Well, where are we going? We rush to help out our relatives. We are brothers, why are we here ...
  31. Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 16 August 2013 12: 55
    -1
    Quote: gecko
    And believe me, I can hold and use the AK-74 and RPG-7 for their intended purpose.

    Well, we remember how to use it ... but what will it all lead to ... here in the west they will rejoice for the Slavs ...
  32. sop.ov
    sop.ov 16 August 2013 12: 59
    -2
    Strange people of Russia! In the comments to each article, pour out your bile, or even decomposition products on Ukraine (Kazakhstan, Belarus), wish all the "best" in the future to the citizens of these countries, call them cunning parasites, etc. etc. By tightening the screws and hammering in with a sledgehammer, Russia itself is squeezing Ukraine out of its sphere of influence, which will ultimately lead to the spread of the Galician infection throughout Ukraine and will have to forget about the friendly relations of our states for a long time.
    1. servant.
      servant. 16 August 2013 13: 50
      +5
      Quote: sop.ov
      By tightening the screws and driving a sledgehammer, Russia itself is squeezing Ukraine out of its sphere of influence, which in the end will lead to the spread of the Galician infection throughout Ukraine and one will have to forget about the friendly relations of our states for a long time.

      It turns out that Ukraine has an interesting friendship, wants to have privileges and preferences, but what in return? Assurances of eternal friendship? SS Marches? Constant speculation around the Black Sea Fleet?

      Will the Ukrainian economy collapse? What for us! The people chose the power that they have, what do we have to do with it? Change power, adopt laws friendly to Russia, we owe you nothing ...
  33. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 16 August 2013 13: 03
    -1
    Quote: gecko
    Do not tell me, you want to become an independent state under the deep patronage of the EU, if you used to stand at least cancer (as you expressed by your own feelings), then now you will suck Brussels to the fullest (this is such a Kama Sutra). I’m saying, bring it to your masters in Poland, but return the presents, otherwise it somehow turns out ugly. And then you want to eat a fish and sit on xyz.

    The cultural level of communication is already rushing from the inside, I just want to ask either military or Troll or just? Vali himself, as they say, slurp cabbage soup. On our land we are masters, and with such ghouls like you, there will never be any rapprochement, unification, friendship, understanding, respect, choke with envy and anger for gifts.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 16 August 2013 14: 20
      +1
      For these gifts, my ancestors perished, their blood and then this land is saturated. Having received a gift from the Russian Empire at the time, these lands, you decided that for such territories the EU would pay good money. But we remember where these lands came from, we don’t have to think that you found fools in the face of the Russians, who will once again swallow.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 14: 39
        -4
        Quote: gecko
        For these gifts my ancestors perished

        mine too
        Quote: gecko
        You received a gift in due time

        you didn’t give anything, we don’t need excursions from "modern" history

        Quote: gecko
        for such territories the EU will pay good money

        But what, land is already being sold to EU member states?
    2. 30143
      30143 16 August 2013 16: 48
      -3
      So him ... Well done! Their Tajiks and Uzbeks will be crushed.
  34. And raid
    And raid 16 August 2013 13: 31
    0
    I would also not marry one woman 2 times. Correctly Ukraine does not want what you are imposing everything on it, what’s the difference to you personally?
  35. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 14: 11
    -3
    I don’t even understand what kind of popol on Russian sites?
    Well, you threw Ukraine, well, she does not want to in the vehicle, well, to hell with her!
    What are you like young cockerels yelling the second day in a row?
    Take it easy.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 16 August 2013 14: 23
      +3
      Don't like don't read
      you’ll sleep better.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 14: 37
        -3
        I sleep well
        my affairs do not concern Russia
        And what are you doing?
    2. servant.
      servant. 16 August 2013 14: 23
      +3
      Yes, our Ukrainian brothers are cocking for what theirs is .... the geyrope is not needed for nothing, the damned m .... they don’t want to buy!

      Do you want to go to Europe? Yes on the way! Then when Russia really needed your defense industry, metallurgy, large-diameter pipes, you twisted your hands, and now call, swim in the geyropu! You just need to figure out the gifts ...
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 14: 36
        -2
        so all srach on RUSSIAN resources ...
        Why roll articles like these in bundles? For the sake of rating? So, in VO and without such a rating, everyone would have such a rating.
        And de we twisted our hands? Give examples, huh?
        And again ... "gifts" ... how greedy you are, and pay (we pay) for gas and give the gifts back ... oh oh oh ...
  36. servant.
    servant. 16 August 2013 14: 45
    +4
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    so all srach on RUSSIAN resources ...
    Why roll articles like these in bundles? For the sake of rating? So, in VO and without such a rating, everyone would have such a rating.
    And de we twisted our hands? Give examples, huh?
    And again ... "gifts" ... how greedy you are, and pay (we pay) for gas and give the gifts back ... oh oh oh ...

    Well, we do not want to buy your goods! Do not buy ours!
    And the gifts .... We do not mind, but you vseravno shade ... Not your ...
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  37. servant.
    servant. 16 August 2013 14: 59
    +4
    [quote = zmey_gadukin] [quote = servant.]
    Why Russian whine on all resources?
    [/ Quote]
    Not whining, the question with gifts, however much you would like to, is not closed! Yes, these lands are watered with blood of both Russians and Ukrainians and Ukrainians, too, can claim them, but can they keep them? Will insane and mediocre Ukrainian politicians drain what came from the drunken generosity of Boriska and by right has never been Ukrainian?
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 15: 35
      -4
      Quote: serviceman.
      what came from the drunken generosity of boriski

      I wonder what we got from drunken generosity Boriski?
      and haven't you voted for him with the whole world?
  38. servant.
    servant. 16 August 2013 15: 05
    +2
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    Quote: serviceman.
    Well, we do not want to buy your goods! Do not buy ours!

    All! Question resolved and closed!
    Why Russian whine on all resources?
    All news and okolonovostnye sites with the domain "ru", and only squeak about "corrupt" h.h.h.l.akh. etc.


    Ukrainian resource ... Read comments, funny ...



    http://www.segodnya.ua/economics/enews/Onishchenko-rasskazal-o-pretenziyah-k-Ukr
    aine-i-torgovoy-voyne-454455.html
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 15: 39
      -3
      I read it.
      Rudeness on the part of Russian users is noticeable.
      Ukrainian news resource announced the news. So what?
  39. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 16 August 2013 15: 22
    -2
    [quote = serving.] [quote = zmey_gadukin] [quote = serving.]
    Why Russian whine on all resources?
    [/ Quote]
    Not whining, the question with gifts, however much you would like to, is not closed! Yes, these lands are watered with blood of both Russians and Ukrainians and Ukrainians, too, can claim them, but can they keep them? Will insane and mediocre Ukrainian politicians get away from the drunken generosity of Boriska and by right it has never been Ukrainian? [ / quote]
    But I personally wonder how "gifts" became Ukraine? When the kings seized territories, how were these lands legally registered? What were they included in? It is clear to be a part of Ukraine, which in turn was part of the empire, but the transfer of Crimea was explained by purely economic reasons, well, the neighboring Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa regions did not want to. in 1954 share their modest resources, explaining that Crimea is the territory of the Russian Federation, so even if it conducts gas, water, electricity, building materials, etc. there, Khrushchev had to put pressure on the leadership of the Ukrainian SSR, so that Crimea would be accepted into Ukraine and started to develop it , then they lured people to the Crimea with benefits, but after the first year, when in a hot climate everything burned down in the fields and vegetable gardens, many left there. In the same Crimea, Catherine 2 drove the Nogai horde so that they would cut out the Tatar horde, the reward is the good of the Tatars, so what can the Crimea include in the eee too lazy to look for the Nogai ASSR ?? Why the Kuban, which was settled and mastered by the Zaporozhye Cossacks, would not be included in the structure of Ukraine, but there is no renegades about Tuzla in the Russian Federation ... Why Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk regions, where according to the 1920 census. the majority of residents were Ukrainians not included in Ukraine? Donbass turned on and these are not?
    Now about the ordinary politicians ... they can make a run of Ukraine as much as they can, everything goes to that, but if half of the Russians think that we should be together and the second thinks of us like uh hmm radishes, then there will be no sense to us of our zapadentsiv .
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 15: 41
      -4
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      but if Russia itself half of the Russians thinks that we should be together and the second thinks of us as about uh hmm radishes, then there will be enough sense for us of our zapadentsiv.

      Already for this phrase bold + !!!
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 17 August 2013 01: 30
      +1
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      Why Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk region., Where according to the census of 1920. most of the residents were Ukrainians not included in Ukraine?

      Yes, because there was no such nationality Ukrainian in the 20s of the last century.
      Ukrainian was a territorial concept.
      On the edge !!!!!
      Nationality was Little Russia.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 17 August 2013 13: 51
        -2
        poor atata ... everything will not calm down
        in the USSR was Ukrainian nationality, but the atat was not
        do you even change the flag or read the Soviet primer, there are just all nationalities on the cover
  40. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 16 August 2013 15: 22
    +2
    Zmey, don't be rude! You are too arrogant towards WE_YOU! no one squeaks for you, tired of persuading you from one side and "feeding" from the other!
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 15: 43
      -3
      where am I rude?
      and I'm not arrogant at all ... just why such articles on VO ???
      Quote: Dwarfik
      "feed" on the other!

      what feed? Gas? So for a long time not the cheapest ...
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  42. mihasik
    mihasik 16 August 2013 23: 49
    0
    Congratulations to ALL! All are good! Go on. Euro-Amer just delighted! Divide and conquer in action! As the saying goes: So be healthy, live richly (as much as your salary allows), and we leave for the house, to the hut .....
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 17 August 2013 17: 28
      0
      I support. Emotions are above the mind.
      I have always had clear evidence of the closeness of Ukrainians and Russians (not even scientific and historical, but purely psychological)
      only close ones get cruel graters, fights and other clashes. And we criticize our relatives more often, and we are more jealous of our loved ones than our neighbors.
      You can even cite an analogy that Ukraine is not a bride, but a long-time jealous wife ... who, perhaps, is not allowed to "go to the left, because it is thicker there" (once they were not allowed to go "left" to NATO)
      The problem of "thickness" is generally reciprocal.
      Sincerely.
  43. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 17 August 2013 02: 18
    -2
    Quote: ATATA
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    Why Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk region., Where according to the census of 1920. most of the residents were Ukrainians not included in Ukraine?

    Yes, because there was no such nationality Ukrainian in the 20s of the last century.
    Ukrainian was a territorial concept.
    On the edge !!!!!
    Nationality was Little Russia.

    That Toko is unwritten ... those Little Russia invented the Moscow rulers when they felt ashamed that they had stolen the name Rus for Muscovy ... stop
    1. SergBrNord
      SergBrNord 17 August 2013 16: 44
      0
      Well, when was it stolen?