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Who are you at all ?! National question

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Who are you at all ?! National questionEvery day I meet with a whole bunch of nationalists and freaks on this forum, some are fighting for Putin, others for all kinds of neoliberats, some simply don’t hide their contempt for the country where I live is Russia. It was always interesting for me to look into the face of those crocodiles who pretend to be patriots, begin to ascribe to me the word "rashka" or "share", while in my life I did not allow myself to express myself even in jest about my country or express an opinion Bender. I am also interested in the opinion of some oligophrenics trying to escalate relations on the national question, proving the superiority of the Slavic races over all "Churkistan", and seeking unity in the union of Ukrainians, Bulbash and Katsapov rejecting all other options that were organically formed even before the Soviet Union and perhaps even before the rise of Rus ...


I understand that in vain I am so harsh, but I try to maximize all the angles of those faces that hit adults in the mind, no matter how unpleasant it may sound. For me, there is no difference between races and nations, there is a different mentality between them and the conditions in which they grew. Therefore, the harshness of my words is directed to those of all idiots for whom the slogans “Glory to Russia” is about the same as for the leavened nationalist Sterligov, who in one wonderful post LJ rejoices at the death of a person, curses innovations and technologies that this person contributed to, and in the same post praises Christ. Who is this to be ?! This is not hypocrisy, this is a frontal lobotomy ...

I have always tried to understand the mentality of different people and different cultures. I will not hide, when I was young, being at the peak of youthful maximalism, I was rather anti-Semitic in my views, I read literature, but over time my views underwent a transformation and in adulthood, putting puzzles of the world outlook for me, an amazing picture began to open up, people are not like that they are, people are just the opinion of leaders and imposed opinions. Very few people with their uncomplicated clean eyes, not contaminated by someone else's imposed opinion, but a lot of those people who are obeying the herd instinct, not trying to understand the question and blindly following the stamps, begin to evaluate what is happening. There are very few sober, reasoned, reasoned attempts to refute the opinions of others, as usual, the hackneyed pattern and the first plus or minus marks prevail in the discussion, after which a crowd of sheep who do not have their own opinion begins to sculpt - either a hero or a pariah.
So, let's talk about patriotism, not about the forced patriotism that knocks in your dibil brains of the blood you got, if you are Russians or Tatars or whoever of our multi-ethnic brotherhood, let's talk about conscious patriotism, about understanding who YOU ​​are, and not what your grandfathers were, it is not YOUR merit, it is the merit of YOUR ancestors, you have nothing to do with them, if YOU ARE A NATIONALIST, you are just ungrateful descendants.

Let's remember stories those wars which were called Patriotic. Did you know that in addition to the Russian troops, partisans and Cossacks, the Wild Divisions as they were then called took part in that 1812 war of the year? Ethnic compositions of the Wild Divisions - Tatars, Bashkirs, Kalmyks, Nogais. The Wild Divisions were at that time extremely effective types of troops, the fact of the matter is that in the early era of the development of firearms weapons, more anachronistic bows had an indisputable advantage over the gunshot due to the higher rate of fire. The foot troops no longer had armored armor, and therefore a lunolic archery horseman having high maneuverability and high rate of fire became the force that repeatedly plunged Napoleon's soldiers into confusion. There are many examples and reviews of the actions of the Wild Divisions, including Denis Davydov, who openly despised his allies, despite this noted their amazing efficiency and unpretentiousness. That is, in that war, the Wild Divisions played their part and the fact that they stood up to defend the Fatherland only says that they defended the Fatherland together with the Russian and rightfully bear the title of compatriots.

Now let us touch on the Great Patriotic War, where many nations of the International Revolution have come together in one row shoulder to shoulder with them and have united in one united will the Nazis who have broken their backslides.

There were no peoples inhabiting Soviet Russia whose representatives would not participate in that Great War. I will not enumerate, all of Central Asia not only fought shoulder to shoulder with our grandfathers, but also extracted cotton (gunpowder component), weaved the silkworm for parachutes with bare hands in boiling water, accepted refugees and orphans as relatives. And then Perestroika happened, and this house built by our grandfathers was destroyed, communications between the peoples were lost, and from our former brothers we became enemies. The Russians were subjected to mass persecutions in all Central Asian republics, I know not from hearsay, according to their relatives who were forced to leave Kazakhstan under the pressure of local ethnic officials, this happened to the father’s sister and her children. Of course, they were accepted by all of their relatives, they gathered as much as they could, bought her an apartment, her younger son and his family moved to Magnitogorsk, the eldest stayed in Kazakhstan. These are very unpleasant moments that leave the same unpleasant aftertaste, the whole story and the background of the relationship to foreigners in KZ, I know not from hearsay, and therefore I don’t need to explain that we didn’t get along and so forth. I know, I will not speak, because the Kazakhs themselves also know at what level these issues were solved and to whom jobs were cleaned, for what nationality.

Around the same way, events developed in different republics in Central Asia and the Caucasus, where it is softer, where it is as tough as possible. First, Gorbachev, behind him Yeltsin, and after him, and Putin let the situation take its course, did not determine the strategy of preferences for their citizens by the will of the fate turned out to be hostages of the Epoch of Changes. And I don’t even know who turned out to be more disgusting in this situation - whether Gorbachev, who openly betrayed the interests of the once great country, ever drunk Yeltsin - allowed such a failed military company, or Putin - did not find the political will to suppress armed resistance and forcefully world and penitentiary measures to incite to change the worldview of militants. In my opinion, Putin’s policy eventually led to a “complex of winners” among all Caucasian nationalities, and the hopelessness of all Russians about “the government betrayed them”. Then the soldiers understood it, now everyone understands it. This is noticeable now, that is why Russians have such xenophobic sentiments, while Caucasian comrades have aggressive behavior and jubilation, this is all a direct continuation of that war. But after all, it was not the Russians who unleashed such sentiments, for we endure toleration .. and we will endure? We will endure, because it is our share. And nationalists already understand it in different ways inside Russia, the Tatars and Bashkirs, and their slogans and aggressive notes more and more often become louder and louder every year. Increasingly, they sound out of print about a change in the vector of Islamist movements within the country to more radical ones, all of which indicates that Russia is regressing as a state.

Of course, it is interesting to me to observe Putin’s geopolitical successes, about how he “boldly” upsets Obama, how Snowden gives shelter, but he will remember Vladimir Chamov’s demarche and how everything falls into place, and understanding who is the master of the globe. Well, then Medvedev was the President, have you really never heard of the expression of Zitz-chairman, and do you really believe that Putin was not aware of what followed after he did not block the UN decision ?! That and it is, that everyone understands which side is covered with butter ...

So, we must clearly understand that there is a past between us, as nations, and there are politicians who, to please their political conjuncture, begin to play nationalism and become national leaders. A typical example of Navalny, his only desire at this stage is to legalize himself in power, he has no other tasks, and therefore he is a nationalist in his confessions (a blue-eyed blond Aryan does everything), and he digs dirt with some kind of bestial instinct, and a charismatic leader, and studied at Yale, and just self-made men ... but there is no such faith ... Many people like me, after his statement that he was a nationalist, put an equal sign between him and the Hitlerite Nazis. Why? Quite simply, the Nazis were Nazis, which did not prevent them from seeing in their ranks and mihlinge and Jews (about 150 thousands) and even Gypsies! I remember a funny anecdote attributed to Goering, when he insisted in order to hide Erhard Milch’s “racial inferiority”, call the mother of the latter and persuade her son to incriminate herself and disgrace her husband about allegedly having a connection with the Aryan - Baron German von Beer. "Since we are going to take away from him the real father, then at least let the aristocrat in return." The present birth certificate was withdrawn and a new one was instilled in its place, indicating von Beer as his father. So it becomes clear that national slogans are nothing more than a profanation for xenophobic-minded masses, this is all agitation, whereas an understanding of what happens is in ourselves, we ourselves must be a measure and be able to distinguish lies from truth, grain from tares ... Therefore, a politician starting to put forward slogans as once Zhirik “Russia for Russians” is a political corpse for me ...

For this, I am with you my ideological, organically inferior enemies say goodbye, I hope I have clearly stated my position on the extent to which I am a nationalist. Most of the guests from the southern republics are not very sympathetic to me, but this is most likely due to the tiredness that I experience in communicating with them, from their intellect and subversiveness, but sometimes there are those who have received a decent education who practically speak Russian not distorting him, with such people, communication for me becomes joy. It is necessary to understand the level of carriers of a foreign culture in order to draw conclusions. And so, yes, these guests are convenient material, both economic and political ... Dumping labor for capitalists and exponential sweeping on occasion as a curtsy to the "people" for politicians ... How convenient! 2 to 1 !!!

A separate topic is Ukrainians and Kazakhs, but I don’t want to continue. Everyone understands that this is a hohlorach this is a war of shkoloty) by the way, proof on typical holivar
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 16 August 2013 08: 12 New
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    "Let's talk about patriotism, not about that tortured patriotism that knocks on your fucking brains"

    These are the things that set the reader up against the article in advance, regardless of the meaning of the article. In general, I did not understand the main idea of ​​what was written: that everyone has a right to exist and everyone has their own merits? A sane person does not deny this anyway. Everything else is chaotic, where horses, people and volleys of thousands of guns are mixed in a heap.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 08: 25 New
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      the main postulate of the article is to RELY on your experience and the experience of your ancestors, and not those clichés that are momentary and popular. I gave several examples from the history of both Russia and the USSR, and it physically hurts me to see the stupidity of the masses, not only in the media, but also in the comments, from people who sincerely consider themselves nationalists, forgetting the fact that this word is from the same row as and "Nazi". Nazis (nationalists) are too easily controlled due to the fact that they are, in their overwhelming majority, hopelessly mentally limited
      1. Rosomaha67
        Rosomaha67 16 August 2013 09: 05 New
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        ...... so state your experience, on which you need to rely, otherwise not a word about it, no ideas except empty slogans, and even they are not supported by anything other than your opinion. Zhirik's speeches and then argumentation!
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        1. Tykta
          16 August 2013 09: 23 New
          +4
          favorite "cartoon" of people like you is to attribute to the author what he did not say ... about religion, I did not say a single word, this is an indicator of your competence and deceit
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 16 August 2013 09: 46 New
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          Put a plus. Yes, at least for the picture - very accurate!
          The flourishing of interethnic strife in the Russian Federation was caused not by the bloodthirstiness of the Russians, but by the policy of the rulers who create different living conditions for different nationalities (for example, Russians and Chechens). A huge role is played by the inequality of citizens before the law, national diasporas flourishing in a stormy color, influencing the corrupt government. Again, the national governments of the former republics are interested in nationalism, incl. RF-ovskoe. The farther people move away from the outskirts, the tighter they press towards the center. Even if there are corrupt traders in the center.
          It is a pity that this is not reflected in the article. But to the author + because the process of awareness is clearly going in the right direction!
          1. Tykta
            16 August 2013 09: 53 New
            +5
            I have described my attitude about the rulers and candidates for the rulers - I have described enough; I consider it unnecessary to add something, since it will slide into the plane of special cases. enough that I noted, the rest of the cases are already on everyone's lips.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 16 August 2013 10: 40 New
              +5
              Well done, the article is good, there is a little lack of harmony in the presentation of thoughts to make it clearer. But writing an article yourself is already a job, all the more a useful article! And the fact that the minuses are molded are those who strain the brain laziness
              Quote: ziqzaq
              That's for sure, the author of the edge marked it so that my brain is cut to the limit and is bleeding ...

              some think it just hurts. wink
              1. matross
                matross 16 August 2013 12: 18 New
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                Quote: S_mirnov
                a little lack of harmony in the presentation of thoughts to make it clearer.

                Little? Well this is a tremendous advance! I would read the article to a good psychiatrist, I think many people would be interested in the preliminary diagnosis. And about the free interpretation of the rules of the Russian language and mention even awkward ... such trifles.
                1. Tykta
                  16 August 2013 12: 51 New
                  +2
                  Well, give it to me) I understand that you only have to get to the staff room)
          2. georg737577
            georg737577 16 August 2013 18: 03 New
            +1
            Dear S_mirnov, once again I am giving you a plus, and I want to say that your comments constantly seem to me the most adequate on the site. Thank!
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 16 August 2013 19: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: georg737577
              the most adequate on the site.

              Nice to hear it, thanks. drinks
      3. Joker
        Joker 16 August 2013 11: 22 New
        +5
        And I liked the article, its meaning is clear and simple, to think with your brains, and not to follow the slogans and about patriotism is correctly written, you first do something useful for yourself from the country, and then call yourself a patriot. Ancestors should be respected and proud of them, and not to ascribe to themselves their merits. The article is excellent, but due to inexperience it was written a little messy, I wish the author to write an article the next time on one particular problem, so that there was no such confusion, and so + could put 10 + hi
      4. 12345
        12345 16 August 2013 12: 05 New
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        Quote: Tykta
        ... the main postulate of the article is RELATE ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND THE EXPERIENCE OF ANCIENTS ...


        And, nevertheless, "your experience" is clearly in the first place for you than "the experience of ancestors."

        Incidentally, the "ancestors" divided each other, mainly on the basis of tribal characteristics. That way - you contradict yourself. Or to YOUR ANCESTORS, is it possible?

        Quote: Tykta
        ... it physically hurts me to see the stupidity of the masses ...


        Well, this is natural of you - Jewry has climbed, physically sensitive and with immense self-importance you are ours.

        And, here, the establishment of an equal sign between "nationalism" and "Nazism" is already a "Jewish cartoon" in its "purest form".

        Jewishness is based on the most terry, the most rabid Nazism: "Shackled by one chain - Tied by one goal ..." ©

        Therefore, the total prohibition of nationalism kills the last natural immunity of any nation before the invasion of a well-organized, religiously-nationalistically welded, well-paid from the outside, pathogenic Jewish infection.

        Quote: Tykta
        ... nationalists) are too easily controlled due to the fact that they, in their overwhelming majority, are hopelessly mentally limited ...


        A well-organized enemy can be fought ONLY by rallying in an organized manner. A loner against the kahal has no chance.

        Actually, due to this, Jewry rose to the level of world hegemony. Jewishness arose long before the emergence of anti-monopoly and antitrust legislation and systematically, one by one, handed over almost all of its enemies. Where economically - by the united Jewish capital, and sometimes also military-politically, by investing in freemasonry and overthrowing entire regimes. In the end, England came under the influence of Jewry, and then the United States.

        "Respect for others starts with respect for yourself." ©
        This fully applies to nations. To nations, but not to religions. Therefore, this does not apply to Jewry.


        Quote: Tykta
        ... I was rather an anti-Semite in my views, I read literature, but over time my views underwent a transformation ...


        Because of the "fig leaf", the thick, oiled sideways are still clearly visible.

        Conclusion: A-M, K-G.
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 16 August 2013 12: 27 New
          +4
          Therefore, the total prohibition of nationalism kills the last natural immunity of any nation before the invasion of a well-organized, religiously-nationalistically welded, well-paid from the outside, pathogenic Jewish infection.

          All revolutions were and are being carried out under their leadership and participation. 20th century - England, France, Germany, Russia. 21st century - the countries of the Maghreb and the BV.
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 16 August 2013 12: 28 New
          +1
          12345And, nevertheless, "your experience" is clearly in the first place for you than "the experience of ancestors."

          Incidentally, the "ancestors" divided each other, mainly on the basis of tribal characteristics. That way - you contradict yourself. Or YOUR ANCESTORS, after all - you can?

          Divide on the basis of tribal and tribal characteristics is just a sign, not of "Jewry", but just subordination to them)).
          Russians (warriors), always ACCEPTED ON the basis of CO-PARTICIPATION and jointly shed blood to protect the KIND.))
      5. CTEPX
        CTEPX 16 August 2013 12: 18 New
        -1
        I'll tell you right away)). I am very impressed by the author's infallibility when he talks about all of us, and his transitions to personal experience are depressing)).
      6. Sandov
        Sandov 16 August 2013 12: 22 New
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        Tukta.

        The penultimate paragraph says that all is not lost. Puppeteers strive to destroy Russia, any methods are good for this. Instead of disconnecting, we need to unite. And then degradation occurs everywhere, not only in Russia, by the way. A civilization released into space can return to the caves. I don't want to start all over again with monkeys.
      7. piotr534
        piotr534 16 August 2013 13: 00 New
        +1
        the main postulate of the article is to RELY on your experience and the experience of your ancestors, and not those clichés that are momentary and popular. I gave several examples from the history of both Russia and the USSR, and it physically hurts me to see the stupidity of the masses, not only in the media, but also in the comments, from people who sincerely consider themselves nationalists, forgetting the fact that this word is from the same row as and "Nazi". Nazis (nationalists) are too easily controlled due to the fact that they are, in their overwhelming majority, hopelessly mentally limited
        It would not be bad for you, dear one, to work on the Russian language. This is your excessive enthusiasm for special terms, not always out of place, especially since some of them you spell correctly and you cannot write them. And if we talk about style, then too much dirt splashes from under your pen and behind all this mess the essence is hard to discern. And finally, about fools and smart ones. As you know, the latter are only 20% of the total and, forgive me, you are unlikely to be one of them, with this your desire to poke everyone and everything in the muzzle. hi
        1. Tykta
          16 August 2013 17: 17 New
          0
          I don't like to argue with smart ones, I have colic from this
          1. 12345
            12345 16 August 2013 20: 20 New
            -1
            Quote: Tykta
            I have colic from this


            Shit ... crap?
      8. Flooding
        Flooding 16 August 2013 13: 02 New
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        Quote: Tykta
        the main postulate of the article is RELY on your experience and the experience of your ancestors, and not those cliches that are momentary and popular

        I saw something else. You are biased, but at the same time pretend to be objective.

        Quote: Tykta
        Events in different republics in Central Asia and the Caucasus developed in about the same vein, where it was softer, somewhere as harsh as possible.

        It would seem logical to pay tribute to the neighbors in a fit of justice. Add a fly in the ointment to the barrel of honey, poured out a little earlier due to involvement in the great victories of Russian weapons.
        But this is not for you. Who was to blame for the fact that the Russians were oppressed and expelled from the once fraternal republics?
        Quote: Tykta
        First, Gorbachev, then Yeltsin, and after him and Putin let the situation take its course, did not determine the strategy of preferences for their citizens, by the will of fate, who were held hostage to the Epoch of Changes.

        Again, the Russians?

        What is your over-national zalnoludska justice?
        I didn't see her. Neither supranational nor universal justice.
        Because for you
        Quote: Tykta
        people are not what they are, people are just the opinion of the leaders and the imposed opinion. Very few people with their unclouded, pure look, not defiled by someone else's imposed opinion

        I am not afraid to assume that you boldly attributed yourself to the latter. But the trouble is that your opponent may have a diametrically opposite point of view on this matter.
        Who will judge us?
        1. Tykta
          16 August 2013 13: 23 New
          -2
          maybe conscience? we have one for all, just as I can assume you don’t have it, but I do have it and I have spoken on my own behalf until now, and not on yours
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 16 August 2013 13: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: Tykta
            maybe conscience? we have one for all, just as I can assume you don’t have it, but I do have it and I have spoken on my own behalf until now, and not on yours

            Tykta, you are amazingly and brilliantly illiterate.
            First, according to your conscience, one for all. A sort of all-encompassing and impersonal.
            Then suddenly I don't have it, unlike, of course, you.
            Apparently, you are the only one that is one for all, appropriated to yourself as an expropriator.
            At this time, everything falls into place ...
            1. Tykta
              16 August 2013 14: 06 New
              -1
              Well, as soon as I appeal to decency - so at once everything fell into place))
              conscience is a measure, for everyone it has its own, but looking at some individuals living in our time - you understand that not everyone has a conscience), for example, take you - you attributed so much to me that I not only did not say, did not even think. you have perverted my thoughts - therefore I have every right to call you a shameless and dishonest person, moreover, you demand satisfaction from me for the thoughts attributed to me from you))) has my position become clearer to you?))
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 16 August 2013 14: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: Tykta
                Well, as soon as I appeal to decency - so at once everything fell into place))

                what do you call an appeal to decency? This?
                Quote: Tykta
                maybe conscience? we have one for all, just as I can assume you do not have it, I have it

                This, I assure you, is a sign of disrespect. Which automatically deprives you of the right to talk about decency.
                Quote: Tykta
                you have perverted my thoughts

                I absolutely honestly tried to find them. But you cannot pervert what is not. What you call thoughts is an indigestible mishmash, nothing more.
                Quote: Tykta
                therefore I have every right to call you a shameless and dishonest person

                First, prove that I have perverted your thoughts. Just one example.
                Or honestly admit that you don't know how to express them.
                Quote: Tykta
                you demand satisfaction from me for the thoughts attributed to me from you

                I demanded satisfaction ??? !!! Where??? Moderate your fantasies. Until now, this has not happened.
                But after a few insults, if you please. Yes, now I demand, sir, that you either shut up or explain yourself.
                You are inadequate, you are as annoying as a fly. Unfortunately, your phrases are as full of meaning as the buzzing of this insect.
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                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 16 August 2013 16: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Tykta
                    stop your demeanor) to descend to such a level of primacy as yours is not for me

                    That's your whole appeal to decency, you fool. Blown away like a soap bubble.
                    You start with insults, you end with them.
                    What you call pretense is a failed attempt to maintain decency in a conversation with a boor.
                    I'm sorry, but I admit that it was a fiasco.
                    On a boor, even appealing to decency, cultural conversion will not produce the proper effect.
                    All the more so for a boor who has a very vague idea of ​​a connected logical inference and is incapable of objective self-criticism.
                    I poked you several times into your heaps, which you call thoughts, and hinted at absurdities. In response, I see only screams. Try to strain and answer point by point. Failing? Then I repeat - shut up.
                    1. Tykta
                      16 August 2013 16: 49 New
                      -3
                      started for health and finished for the repose))) clear ... the mannerism of nafik)) everything is clear with you ... when do you have another parade of birds in St. Petersburg?)
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 16 August 2013 17: 24 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Tykta
                        started for health and finished for the repose))) clear ... the mannerism of nafik)) everything is clear with you ... when do you have another parade of birds in St. Petersburg?)

                        miracle, you yourself asked to end the manners.
                        Sorry, I took it at face value. But, apparently, this is not the case.
                        You think one thing, write another, answer out of place.
                        So Who are you at all ?!

                        I don't know about the parade in St. Petersburg. You, as I can see, are better acquainted. So tell me when and where and what kind of meeting.
      9. Manager
        Manager 16 August 2013 13: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Tykta
        the main postulate of the article is to RELY on your experience and the experience of your ancestors, and not those clichés that are momentary and popular. I gave several examples from the history of both Russia and the USSR, and it physically hurts me to see the stupidity of the masses, not only in the media, but also in the comments, from people who sincerely consider themselves nationalists, forgetting the fact that this word is from the same row as and "Nazi". Nazis (nationalists) are too easily controlled due to the fact that they are, in their overwhelming majority, hopelessly mentally limited




        UUUU minus you (you) Every normal person should be a patriot of his country. And it's not smart to equate nationalism with Nazism!
      10. Mhpv
        Mhpv 16 August 2013 15: 37 New
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        Quote: Tykta
        Nazis (nationalists)

        In fact, these are far from synonyms.
        1. "National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, abbreviated Nazism) is a form of social organization that combines socialism with pronounced nationalism and racism, as well as the name of an ideology that substantiates this kind of social order [1]. A typical example of the implementation of such an ideology is The Third Reich, where National Socialism was the official ideology of [1] [2], combining the various elements of socialism [3], nationalism, racism, fascism, and anti-Semitism [4]. National Socialism proclaimed its creation and approval a view on a fairly vast territory of a racially pure Aryan state, which has everything necessary for a prosperous existence for an indefinitely long time (the "millennium Reich") [1 "
        2. "Nationalism (French nationalisme) is an ideology and a policy direction, the fundamental principle of which is the thesis of the value of a nation as the highest form of social unity and its primacy in the state-building process. It is distinguished by a variety of currents, some of which contradict each other [1]. How political movement, nationalism seeks to defend the interests of the national community in relations with state power.

        At its core, nationalism preaches fidelity and devotion to its nation, political independence and work for the benefit of its own people, cultural and spiritual growth, the unification of national identity for the practical protection of the living conditions of the nation, its territory of residence, economic resources and spiritual values ​​[2]. It relies on a national feeling that is akin to patriotism. This ideology seeks to unite the various layers of society, despite the opposing class interests. It was able to ensure the mobilization of the population for common political goals during the transition to a capitalist economy.
        In modern Russian, the most commonly used meaning of the word “nationalism” differs from the ideology described in this article and, in terms of meaning, approaches chauvinism, ethnocracy and xenophobia [16]. It has a pronounced negative connotation and emphasizes the superiority of its nation, national antagonism and national isolation. The Russian linguist S. I. Ozhegov, the author and compiler of several dictionaries of the Russian language, defined nationalism as “an ideology and a policy based on the ideas of national superiority and contrasting one’s nation with another” [17]. Russian linguistic tradition also equates the concept of “nation” with ethnicity. According to historian A. Miller, this is due, on the one hand, to the fact that Russia as a whole is little familiar with the ideology of nationalism, and, on the other hand, to a deliberate distortion of the meaning of the term in the world in the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union [18] . The consequence was the practice of substitution of terms, which for their own purposes is used both by opponents of nationalism and supporters of national exclusivity. Vladimir Putin calls himself and Dmitry Medvedev "nationalists in the good sense of the word" [19].

        It should be noted that the negative use of the concept of "nationalist" is not only in Russia. So, German President J. Rau in his inaugural speech explained that a patriot is a man who loves his homeland, and a nationalist is a man who hates other nations and countries [20]. The American historian B. Scheifer gives the following meanings of the term "nationalism" [21]: "
        Now, everyone must determine for himself who he is a Nazi or nationalist.
      11. as2604
        as2604 22 August 2013 13: 37 New
        0
        Do not confuse nationalism (commitment to your people, homeland, culture, etc., which is closer in meaning to patriotism, because it is based primarily on service and love for your homeland and people without humiliation and destruction of other people who do not belong to of a given nation) and Nazism (this is a version of fascism mixed with racism)
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 16 August 2013 08: 53 New
      +7
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Everything else is chaotic, where horses, people and volleys of thousands of guns are mixed in a heap.

      That's for sure, the author of the edge marked it so that my brain is cut to the limit and is bleeding ...
      Less emotion and more healthy pragmatism ...
      Good morning everyone !!!!
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 16 August 2013 11: 08 New
        +7
        I don't know what to put this article plus or minus. It doesn't smell like a golden mean here, it turns out I can't put a dash. Evil, rude, in some places true, and in some places obscenely wrong. But the minority will definitely be indifferent to the article. "Typical holivar" - smiled and pissed off at the same time.
        "Very few people with their unclouded, pure look, not defiled by someone else's imposed opinion ..." - where could they be - will peck.
  2. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 16 August 2013 08: 12 New
    0
    It will always be! And idiocy on a national scale is and always will be everywhere. There is simply complete criticism, but there is a mild form of idiocy. From here and measures put this or that act of a person of one of the nationalities of the post-Soviet space.
  3. Warrawar
    Warrawar 16 August 2013 08: 21 New
    +5
    Dear forum users. Voting for the 10 main symbols of Russia is currently underway.
    Until recently, the first place in terms of the number of votes was taken by the Kolomna Kremlin.
    But On August 13, a "miracle" happened - the voting server was brought down and after it was raised, the A. Kadyrov mosque (remake of 2008) received, in a completely miraculous way (apparently through the prayers of Ramzan Kadyrov), 1 (more than in the previous month and a half of voting ) votes and climbed to the first place in the ranking.
    If you do not want the mosque to be the main symbol of Russia, vote for Kolomna!

    http://10russia.ru/object_61

    You can vote 3 times a day, for the same object. And by means of SMS voting in general without limiting the number of votes (apparently this is the nature of the manifested "miracle" of raising the mosque to the 1st place).
    Add. information here

    http://vk.com/club57110303
    1. reserve
      reserve 16 August 2013 08: 57 New
      10
      Collapse the server again and put Ramzanka (Kadyrov) back in place. Or do you have no hackers? Contact ours, and suddenly they will help.
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 16 August 2013 09: 18 New
      +3
      All this vote is nothing more than another trade in patriotism. Do not worry Motherland will win!
      Already wrote when.

      .
      In principle, everything develops within the framework of a concept that suits me quite well, so I’m just in a number of cases ready to applaud while standing, seeing simply virtuoso multi-portions.
      Well, for example, the brightest, in my opinion, example. Here is a vote.

      I personally don’t understand, for example - what is Kolomna doing in the first place there?
      Have you seen this "Kremlin"? There is NO Kremlin in Kolomna! Dilapidated wall and tower. EVERYTHING. What the fuck is the Kolomna Kremlin?

      Well, to hell with him. A completely neutral symbol. Not annoying Moscow with its very real Kremlin (and at the same time the State Duma, EPs, oligarchs and others). Such a normal, non-irritating, thoroughly Russian character. And next ... - to beat ... Takay splinter !!!

      And you’ll get tired of sending 3 posts a day. Need unlimited SMS to help ours !! But SMS is already for very real grandmas ... This is a lottery on patriotism in its purest form. Only instead of a material prize is even cooler. . A picture that, by clicking on the 1 button on your computer, you can move anywhere.

      I think that you don’t need to worry too much and really worry. The Grozny mosque will never win in the end. (Although, in fairness - a real global construction). Just so that people would be more willing to part with cash, they need a puffer. A terrible Chechen, creeping to his motherland. And only you, with your SMS, can stop the enemy.
      Manipulate you. And you are being fooled.
      Do not piss! I’m betting that Mamaev Kurgan will win by the end of the amusement. This is a concept.
      De-Stalinization is being actively turned back now. Preparation for the return of the historical name of Stalingrad to Volgograd (for which I am with all hands FOR) is being carefully conducted, in this concept Mamaev Kurgan should win. Another step in the right direction.
      This is not only money. This is also propaganda.

      True, he swore obscene language, otherwise they would send him to the bathhouse.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 36 New
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        True, he swore obscene language, otherwise they would send him to the bathhouse.

        Not some kind of "dilapidated" wall.
        http://www.kolomna-kreml.ru/
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 16 August 2013 09: 52 New
          +2
          This is the only thing in my opinion you can "cling to"? Believe me, people send sms in such a way that the beeline (well, everyone else) is awesome. And the mosque is still there, well, it's ridiculous! In general, I regard your post as spam, but to the court of modernization!
          Or do you deny that the project is commercial?
          Again Kolomna, Kolomna! Where did she come from? Motherland Motherland is famous in 500 milien times, but ...
          So a good try, but no ...
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 16 August 2013 10: 03 New
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            This is the only thing for which in my opinion you can "stick"?

            And I don’t stick, just why call a "destroyed wall" a perfectly preserved monument of Russian military glory.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 16 August 2013 10: 12 New
              0
              Ok, on that and we will solve. drinks Well, in every sense, a strange contest, agree?
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 16 August 2013 10: 19 New
                0
                Quote: klimpopov
                Ok, let's decide on that. Well, in every sense, a strange competition, agree?

                I agree. The very idea of ​​the competition is, of course, good, the performance is terrible. Firstly, because it seems to me that it was necessary not to allow "cult" buildings to participate in it - because it was already clear that the entire Caucasus would in principle vote for the Kadyrov mosque, and all Buddhists for the Assoc. Buddha.
                And secondly, because it was necessary to establish some kind of minimum permissible age of objects of voting (well, the remake of 2008 is generally nonsense).
                And in the third, so that no one would be offended, it was necessary to conduct voting separately by districts.
                Or not at all to engage in these stupid voting and recreate "mini" Russia in miniature, with key objects.
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 16 August 2013 10: 45 New
                  +1
                  The key here, paid SMS as it seems to me ...
                  1. Warrawar
                    Warrawar 16 August 2013 10: 48 New
                    0
                    Quote: klimpopov
                    The key here, paid SMS as it seems to me ...

                    Well, as always, everything came up against money, and not so much money.
                    1. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 16 August 2013 10: 55 New
                      +2
                      Well, actually big enough. I would say even very large. A zero investment! I applaud standing to the organizers! I wouldn’t think of it.
                      Can you imagine three rubles four times a day from the "ruble" ...?
        2. CTEPX
          CTEPX 16 August 2013 12: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Warrawar
          Not some kind of "dilapidated" wall.

          The "Chinese" wall is even steeper)).
      2. chehywed
        chehywed 16 August 2013 09: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: klimpopov
        Manipulate you. And you are being fooled.

        Yes, yes, and yes again!
    3. Basileus
      Basileus 16 August 2013 11: 16 New
      +2
      By the way, crazy voting. Kolomna Kremlin, Chechen mosque ... I have nothing against the buildings themselves, but who abroad has heard of the Kremlin in Kolomna? Why the hell has the newly-built mosque forgotten (this also concerns the Kazan Kul-Sharif) in the symbols of Russia? At the same time, real unique monuments - Motherland, Lake Baikal, the Valley of Geysers, many truly famous historical monuments are trailing far behind.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 16 August 2013 11: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Basileus
        Why the hell has the newly-built mosque forgotten (this also concerns the Kazan Kul-Sharif) in the symbols of Russia? At the same time, real unique monuments - Motherland, Lake Baikal, the Valley of Geysers, many truly famous historical monuments are trailing far behind.

        It also kills me that not the Hermitage, not Peterhof, not the Moscow Kremlin, not Kizhi (world-famous architectural monuments), but some kind of nameless mosque. Would put up for a vote "Cherkizovsky Market", it would probably also enter the top ten.
      2. CTEPX
        CTEPX 16 August 2013 12: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Basileus
        unique monuments - Motherland, Baikal, Valley of Geysers

        For Russia - all this is NOVODELS)). They are no more than 800 years old)).
        By the way, the Valley of Geysers is no longer there)).
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 16 August 2013 14: 59 New
          0
          That does not deprive them of their uniqueness. And the valley of geysers is there again, you just were not interested - after the mudflow, everything there, if not restored, then renewed.
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 16 August 2013 15: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Basileus
            That does not deprive them of their uniqueness.

            I agree)).
            Just symbols of Russia ... We are deprived of them)).
      3. grafrozow
        grafrozow 16 August 2013 13: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Basileus
        By the way, crazy voting. Kolomna Kremlin, Chechen mosque ... I have nothing against the buildings themselves, but who abroad has heard of the Kremlin in Kolomna? Why the hell has the newly-built mosque forgotten (this also concerns the Kazan Kul-Sharif) in the symbols of Russia?
        And laughter and sin, Balalaika, vodka, bear - that's what most foreigners know about Russia. In my opinion, the symbol of Russia is Y. GAGARIN. Whoever is against, throw stones at me.
        1. does it
          does it 16 August 2013 14: 20 New
          0
          Quote: grafrozow
          .In my opinion, the symbol of Russia is Y. GAGARIN. Whoever is against, throw stones at me.

          In this case, next to Yuri Gagarin, do not forget to mention S. Korolyov, and those people thanks to whom our country flies into space.
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 16 August 2013 22: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: kvirit
            In this case, next to Yuri Gagarin, do not forget to mention S. Korolyov, and those people thanks to whom our country flies into space.

            I agree, but imagine how it will look, builders, Baikonur personnel, medical workers ... everyone who was involved in this event deserves respect, but imagine what a list it will be. You agree that the mosque is our symbol. the fact that the Kremlin stars will change the crescent. How do you like that?
      4. does it
        does it 16 August 2013 14: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Basileus
        At the same time, real unique monuments - Motherland, Lake Baikal, the Valley of Geysers, many truly famous historical monuments are trailing far behind.

        I hear about the Valley of Geysers in the media only when something happens there! Such as earthquakes, landslides, and so on ...
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 16 August 2013 15: 01 New
          0
          That's the problem. We have beautiful nature, but to see it, especially the part that is located beyond the Urals, you need to spend more than in the case of a trip to some African reserve.
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 16 August 2013 22: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Basileus
            We have beautiful nature, but in order to see it, especially the part that is located beyond the Urals,
            Forest-tundra, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug. White is reindeer moss.
    4. CTEPX
      CTEPX 16 August 2013 12: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Warrawar
      But on August 13, a "miracle" happened

      Stand)).
    5. Mhpv
      Mhpv 16 August 2013 16: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Warrawar
      vote for Kolomna!

      [img] http://www.kolomna-kreml.ru/pic.php?iid=3847&w=1065&h=712 [/ img]

      Other attractions here: http: //autotravel.ru/excite.php/17/1
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 August 2013 08: 26 New
    +8
    A messy article .. I mixed everything and everyone in a heap (and even with insults ..) Like I'm against everyone and everything and everything.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 16 August 2013 14: 04 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      A messy article .. I mixed everything and everyone in a heap (and even with insults ..) Like I'm against everyone and everything and everything.
      Novikov, quote- "I am a poet, their name is Dunno. From me to you a balalaika." The topic is topical, the article is muddy.
  5. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 16 August 2013 08: 29 New
    10
    In principle, despite the unpretentious looping of thoughts in the article, the meaning of what was written is clear (1- meaning: I love everyone except those who do not love whom I love. Second meaning: guys, let's live together, otherwise I’m not responsible for myself.). Unfortunately, the author sometimes reminds of those "stoned" to whom he himself refers without piety.

    Sincerely.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 08: 31 New
      -7
      so don't refute me, but the history of the Great Patriotic War
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 16 August 2013 08: 35 New
        +6
        Russians 5756 66,56%
        Ukrainians 1377,4 15,93%
        Belarusians 252,9 2,92%

        Tatars 187,7 2,17%
        Jews 142,5 1,65%
        Kazakhs 125,5 1,45%
        Uzbeks 117,9 1,36%
        Armenians 83,7 0,97%
        Georgians 79,5 0,92%
        Mordovians 63,3 0,73%
        Chuvash 63,3 0,73%
        Azerbaijanis 58,4 0,68%
        Moldovans 53,9 0,62%
        Bashkirs 31,7 0,37%
        Kyrgyz 26,6 0,31%
        Udmurts 23,2 0,27%
        Tajiks 22,9 0,26%
        Turkmen 21,3 0,25%
        Estonians 21,2 0,25%
        Buryats 13 0,15%
        Komi 11,6 0,13%
        Latvians 11,6 0,13%
        Lithuanians 11,6 0,13%
        Nationalities of Dagestan 11,1 0,13%
        Ossetians 10,7 0,12%
        Poles 10,1 0,12%
        Karelians 9,5 0,11%
        Other nationalities 49,4 0,57%

        The loss of the Slavic peoples of the USSR is more than 85%. This says a lot, because we can say that besides the Slavs, only Tatars took part in the war.
        And Central Asians in general, by personal decree of Stalin (GOKO-4322ss of October 13, 1943), were not taken to the front.
        1. Tykta
          16 August 2013 08: 48 New
          -10
          proof for Stalin's personal order
          the next moment is an ugly substitution to generalize Russians as Slavs, mixing Russians and Ukrainians into a bunch of Belarusians. Let me remind you of one Ukrainian who, more than Mazepa, caused damage to Russia by chopping off Crimea? Those military realities and the current ones again confirm that if there were no internationalism, but if there were bickering at the borders, we would not have survived in that war. Hitler attack us now - we have zero chances due to the presence of idiots like you.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 16 August 2013 08: 52 New
            13
            The State Defense Committee decides:

            1. To oblige an NPO (i.e. Smorodinova) to call up to military service all the male citizens born in 15 (including those who are in the territory freed from the enemy) by November 1943, 1926, regardless of their place of work or positions, except working enterprises of the NK Ammunition, NK Armament, NK Mortar weapons, NK Aviation industry, NK Tank industry, NK Coal industry, NK Oil industry, NK Ferrous metallurgy, NK Non-ferrous metallurgy, NK Power plants, NK Electrical industry, NK T heavy machinery, NK Machine-tool industry, NK Railways, NK Sea Fleet, NK River Fleet and Glavsevmorput, with qualifications of 3 categories and above.

            Conscripts of local nationalities are not subject to draft: Uzbek, Tajik, Turkmen, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijani Soviet Socialist Republics, Dagestan, Chechen-Ingush, Kabardino-Balkarian, North Ossetian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republics and Adygea and Karachay, areas.
            http://www.soldat.ru/doc/gko/text/4322.html
            There were 50 million Asians in the USSR, but the total losses of the total number of deaths amount to just over 3%, while only Belarus alone suffered losses of 20% of its total population.
            1. Tykta
              16 August 2013 09: 02 New
              -7
              [email protected] the email of the author who posted this proof ... doesn't he seem suspicious enough?
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 03 New
                +6
                no, it does not seem, because if you know how to use Google you can find hundreds of other links to this document, which is "inconvenient" for adherents of Eurasianism.
                1. Tykta
                  16 August 2013 09: 26 New
                  -4
                  and everywhere the author's crooked soap) did not even really take a steam bath throwing misinformation
              2. Rosomaha67
                Rosomaha67 16 August 2013 09: 10 New
                +2
                .... people cho for crap, explain to the "illiterate", otherwise I do not use mails ?????
          2. Warrawar
            Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 01 New
            +8
            Quote: Tykta
            and if there were bickering at the borders, we would not have survived in that war

            And "bickering on the borders" was not there ???? Why not there were Chechen SS divisions, or Georgian SS divisions or Crimean Tatar divisions.
            And I don't need anything to remind. I'd rather remind you that the Central Asian republics played the role of collaborationists during World War I and Stalin knew very well about this fact and therefore did not trust them (absolutely deserved).
            1. alone
              alone 16 August 2013 09: 13 New
              +2
              you speak as if there weren't enough Russian divisions ss)))
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 26 New
                +4
                Quote: lonely
                you speak as if there weren't enough Russian divisions ss)))

                There were 120 thousand Vlasovites who were recruited from among the prisoners of war. And this is completely different from the collaborators who fought for the Reich of their own free will.
          3. Warrawar
            Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 02 New
            +8
            Quote: Tykta
            the next moment is an ugly substitution to generalize Russians as Slavs, mixing Russians and Ukrainians into a bunch of Belarusians.

            Some kind of stream of consciousness)
            To generalize Russians as Slavs * is how to understand it in general.
            1. Tykta
              16 August 2013 09: 13 New
              -9
              Yes, you yourself are funny to confuse the Ukrainians and Belarusians as Russians) let's talk about the Poles and Slovaks, who seem to be Slavs too
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 19 New
                +5
                Quote: Tykta
                Yes, you yourself are funny to confuse the Ukrainians and Belarusians as Russians) let's talk about the Poles and Slovaks, who seem to be Slavs too

                The Chukchi is not a reader - the Chukchi is a writer. At the very beginning I said that "THE LOSSES OF THE SLAVIC PEOPLES INCLUDING THE USSR (RUSSIAN BELARUSS UKRAINIANS) MORE THAN 85 %%"
                This is in contrast to the losses of the Asians (UZBEK TAJIK KIRGIZ TURKMEN KAZAKH), ​​WHO LOST A LITTLE MORE THAN 3%.
                THE SLAVIC PEOPLES BRINGED THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR ON THEIR SHOULDERS, LOSING MORE THAN 85 %% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VICTIMS. EVEN IF SPEAKING ONLY ABOUT RUSSIANS, THEY HAVE LOST 66 %% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VICTIMS.
                1. Tykta
                  16 August 2013 09: 34 New
                  0
                  why do you bypass the Bashkirs and Tatars? or are they not Russian peoples but rather Asian? so why do you so diligently ignore them? an interesting movie, just write that the Tatars and Bashkirs did not fight, just like in that "order" that you threw in, what an enviable insight of Stalin looking through the centuries and predicting that all union republics will break away from the USSR and only Bashkirs and Tatars will remain))) you just incredibly persistent)))
                  1. Warrawar
                    Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 43 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Tykta
                    why do you bypass the Bashkirs and Tatars?

                    Losses of Tatars 2,17%
                    Losses of the Bashkirs 0,37%
                    Quote: Tykta
                    or are they not Russian peoples but rather Asian?

                    No, of course, these are not Russian peoples.
                    The Russian people originated in the north of modern Russia, after the vocation of the Vikings of Rurik.
                    The Russian people included several Slavic and Finnish tribes, as well as the Scandinavian tribe Rus, from which Rurik himself originated and from the name of the people Rus and the name of the state RUS went.
                    Subsequently, the Russian people were divided into 3 main groups - Great Russians (modern Russians), Belarusians and Maloros (modern Ukrainians, except for western Ukraine). There are also several smaller Russian subgroups, for example Rusyns.
                    1. Tykta
                      16 August 2013 10: 14 New
                      -6
                      it is clear, that is, you deliberately repulse the residents of the Volga region from Russian self-identification ... everything is clear, the great Russians and national minorities who should sit in their Tatarstan and Bashkortostan and remain silent while people like you live in these very "camps", and using the fact that local minorities "Asian non-Asians, Russian non-Russian" they do not beat in the muzzle yelling about the Great Russians)))
                      I think the article applies to you
                      1. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 16 August 2013 10: 26 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Tykta
                        sleepy, that is, you are deliberately pushing the inhabitants of the Volga region away from Russian self-identification.

                        I'm not pushing anyone away from anyone, I'm just not going to pull crazy ideas "by the ears" and I'm not going to flog anti-scientific nonsense.
                        And the Tatars do not identify themselves with the Russian nation.
                      2. Tykta
                        16 August 2013 10: 42 New
                        -1
                        wow))) you decided to show off the encyclopedic knowledge! firstly, these are the Bashkirs closer to the Hungarians, not the Tatars, in ancient times it is believed that part of the Bashkirs migrated to Europe and there they became Hungarians, but this is prose ... so do not do, as you yourself said, "anti-scientific nonsense"
                      3. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 16 August 2013 10: 58 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tykta
                        wow))) you decided to show off the encyclopedic knowledge! firstly, these are the Bashkirs closer to the Hungarians, not the Tatars, in ancient times it is believed that part of the Bashkirs migrated to Europe and there they became Hungarians, but this is prose ... so do not do, as you yourself said, "anti-scientific nonsense"

                        Bashkirs are only one of the tribes that entered the Hungarian nation.
                        And the Hungarians are generally considered Fino-Ugric.
                        And this does not apply to Russians at all.
                      4. Tykta
                        16 August 2013 11: 07 New
                        -4
                        epppptttttttttttttt !!!!!!! do not continue !!!!))) and the Mari are probably purebred Semites from the Scandinavian Peninsula?) Give your huckster's phone number, I dream of meeting him)))
                      5. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 16 August 2013 11: 08 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Tykta
                        epppptttttttttttttt !!!!!!! do not continue !!!!))) and the Mari are probably purebred Semites from the Scandinavian Peninsula?) Give your huckster's phone number, I dream of meeting him)))

                        do not be mischievous, speak to the point. I don't really understand the Tatars and Bashkirs with the Hungarians, but I do know a lot about Russian ethnogenesis. And we are talking about the Russian nation, to which no Tatars, no Bashkirs do not belong. This is neither bad nor good, it just is.
                      6. Tykta
                        16 August 2013 11: 32 New
                        -4
                        so maybe let's find out who are essentially Russians?) Have you read at least one book by Yanychevsky, for example? Although he is a historian of artistic formation, but still, even in his novels, many nationalities inhabiting Batyevskaya, prebatyevskaya Rus are described ... Meshchera tsytskari chud ilmeni krivichi ... I'm not talking about the fact that you should read something more basic , without pictures ... in general, the huckster's phone is in the studio and I'm not walking anymore, I'm much more interested in your huckster))
                      7. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 16 August 2013 11: 39 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tykta
                        so maybe let's find out who are essentially Russians?) Have you read at least one book by Yanychevsky, for example? Although he is a historian of artistic formation, but still, even in his novels, many nationalities inhabiting Batyevskaya, prebatyevskaya Rus are described ... Meshchera tsytskari chud ilmeni krivichi ... I'm not talking about the fact that you should read something more basic , without pictures ... in general, the huckster's phone is in the studio and I'm not walking anymore, I'm much more interested in your huckster))

                        I have not read novels about "pagan" Russia and am not going to read them. The first lines from the Tale of Bygone Years are enough for everything to fall into place:
                        “In the year 6370 (862 according to modern chronology). ... And they went across the sea to the Varangians, to Russia. Those Varangians were called Rus, as others are called the Swedes, and some Normans and Angles, and still other Gotlandians - that's how these are. Chud, Slovenia, Krivichi and the rest of Russia said: “Our land is great and abundant, but there is no order in it. Come to reign and rule over us. " And three brothers with their families were elected, and they took all Russia with them, and came, and the elder, Rurik, sat in Novgorod, and the other, Sineus, - on Beloozero, and the third, Truvor, - in Izborsk. And from those Varangians the Russian land was nicknamed. The Novgorodians are those people from the Varangian family, and before they were Slovenes ... "
                        From here it becomes clear that the originally Russian nation was born from
                        Slovene (Ilmenian Slovene) - an East Slavic tribe that lived in the second half of the first millennium in the basin of Lake Ilmen and the upper reaches of the Mologa and constituted the bulk of the population of the Novgorod land

                        Krivichi - a union of East Slavic tribes, which in the VI-X centuries developed in the upper reaches of the Western Dvina, Dnieper and Volga

                        Chud - a collective Old Russian name for a number of Finno-Ugric tribes and peoples, as a rule, of the Baltic-Finnish group

                        All - a Baltic-Finnish tribe, from which the Vepsians and Karelians descend. The tribe occupied the territory from the eastern Ladoga area to Belozerye.

                        Russ - Varangians (presumably Scandinavians)

                        Subsequently, several more Slavic tribes joined "Rus". From them the Russian nation was formed.
                      8. Tykta
                        16 August 2013 11: 59 New
                        -3
                        clear ...) your education is wikipedia, like an external RAM or a device (?!) ... so what will you give the huckster's phone?)
                      9. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 16 August 2013 12: 02 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tykta
                        clear ...) your education is wikipedia, like an external RAM or a device (?!) ... so what will you give the huckster's phone?)

                        My education is classic history textbooks, and your education is the opus of "science fiction writers" about pagan Russia.
                        You have slipped into foolishness, this suggests that you are simply blown away and cannot oppose anything in essence.
                      10. Basileus
                        Basileus 16 August 2013 12: 30 New
                        +1
                        And in history textbooks, is it not about the glades, Drevlyans, Vyatichi and other tribal alliances of the Eastern Slavs? And then you somehow limited the ethnogenesis of the East Slavic peoples to northern Russia.
                      11. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 16 August 2013 12: 56 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Basileus
                        And in history textbooks, is it not about the glades, Drevlyans, Vyatichi and other tribal alliances of the Eastern Slavs? And then you somehow limited the ethnogenesis of the East Slavic peoples to northern Russia.

                        At the moment, I was talking about the initial stage of the birth of Russia, (at the time of the call of the Varangians) and it is limited to northern Russia. Glades, Drevlyans and Vyatichi were annexed after that (and no longer by Rurik).
                        But here the very meaning is simply important, that the Russians are mainly an East Slavic ethnos with Finno-Ugric (Baltic) admixtures, which got its name from the Varangian people of Rus.
                    2. Tykta
                      16 August 2013 12: 33 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Warrawar
                      Quote: Tykta
                      epppptttttttttttttt !!!!!!! do not continue !!!!))) and the Mari are probably purebred Semites from the Scandinavian Peninsula?) Give your huckster's phone number, I dream of meeting him)))

                      do not be mischievous, speak to the point. I don't really understand the Tatars and Bashkirs with the Hungarians, but I do know a lot about Russian ethnogenesis. And we are talking about the Russian nation, to which no Tatars, no Bashkirs do not belong. This is neither bad nor good, it just is.

                      you are probably, if not an academician, then certainly a doctor of Russian ethnogIneza)) believe !!!
                      "NOT TATARS NOT BASHKIRS")) if not them - then who?) Let me know about honors and excellent Russian language) you are funny ... and where did you get all the books from, you replaced all of them with the huckster, judging by your level education))
                    3. Basileus
                      Basileus 16 August 2013 13: 10 New
                      +1
                      It's still funny when all the Horde people of the steppe write in Russian better than purebred Russians, professional nationalists. Somehow this is wrong)
                    4. Tykta
                      16 August 2013 13: 30 New
                      0
                      to be honest, I am gnawed by terrible doubts that he is Russian)
                      but there is almost no doubt that he is a Horde))) they are always soaring on such banal things, for them "not" and "neither" are about the same
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                    6. Tykta
                      16 August 2013 14: 11 New
                      0
                      here it is the word that defines the status))) cattle bgg
                      Quote: Warrawar
                      Quote: Tykta
                      to be honest, I am gnawed by terrible doubts that he is Russian)
                      but there is almost no doubt that he is a Horde))) they are always soaring on such banal things, for them "not" and "neither" are about the same

                      you are just a cattle hamlo - merged into the main topic of the dispute, since you have nothing to answer, due to your own stupidity.
                    7. Warrawar
                      Warrawar 16 August 2013 14: 23 New
                      0
                      Quote: Tykta
                      here it is the word that defines the status))) cattle bgg

                      Again, not in essence. Because there is nothing to say about the case. There is only one thing left - to grimace and monkey. But the disadvantages speak for themselves, because from the outside it is better to know.
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  6. Essenger
    Essenger 17 August 2013 04: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Tykta
    firstly, these are the Bashkirs closer to the Hungarians, and not the Tatars, in ancient times it is believed that part of the Bashkirs migrated to Europe and there they became Hungarians

    Most likely we are talking about the Kipchaks. The Kipchaks became part of not only the Hungarians but also the Kazakhs. Hungarians have come to us very often lately. They even have the pan-Turkic Jobbik Party, which came in third in the last parliamentary elections.
  • piotr534
    piotr534 16 August 2013 13: 30 New
    +1
    why do you bypass the Bashkirs and Tatars? or are they not Russian peoples but rather Asian?
    Are you even aware of what you are writing? These peoples may be Russian, may be the peoples of the USSR or the Russian Empire, but not Russian. Russians are already a separate nation, formulate correctly.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 13: 41 New
      0
      I was waiting for this question! think for yourself, try to play with the concepts of Russian and Russian, and you yourself will answer all the questions. just for this you need to think) isn't it how everything is easily solved?
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 16 August 2013 12: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Tykta
    Yes, you yourself are funny to confuse the Ukrainians and Belarusians as Russians) let's talk about the Poles and Slovaks, who seem to be Slavs too

    The Slavs, let it be known to you, not a nationality, but an attitude towards religion - the first-praising Christ)). IMHO.
  • piotr534
    piotr534 16 August 2013 13: 20 New
    +1
    let's talk about the Poles and Slovaks, who seem to be Slavs too
    It seems that there are also much more Slavs, Czechs, Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, Slovenes ...
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    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 15: 54 New
      -4
      Where were you when God handed out brains? that is, all Russians are automatic, Orthodox, atheists in a gazenvagen?) Kuraev's laurels do not give you peace of mind))) sell what you do there, you do not drink opium for the people)
      1. Manager
        Manager 16 August 2013 16: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Tykta
        Where were you when God handed out brains?

        Clown!
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 17 August 2013 08: 59 New
      -1
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  • alone
    alone 16 August 2013 09: 12 New
    0
    sorry, this list reflects the entire period of the war, or some segment?
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 09: 21 New
      +1
      I already said that this is a fake, on the "soldier" they began to throw in disinformation
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 33 New
        +2
        “Muslims! The Caliph of Islam reigning over us - the Turkish Sultan is waging a war with Russia and her other allied states. Every Muslim must sympathize with this holy war of the Sultan and must immediately sacrifice for its needs and for the good of the war of all Muslims. And the one who is not able to sacrifice must himself join the ranks of those fighting against the infidels ... The time has come for the liberation from the power of the Giaur-Russians ... " Rumors spread about the defeats of the Russian troops, and the smallest successes of the German and, especially, Ottoman troops were uncontrollably praised.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 49 New
          +4
          ahahaha gorgeous minus, and most importantly for what ?? for the publication of the call of the Kyrgyz traitors, during World War I in 1?
        2. Basileus
          Basileus 16 August 2013 11: 19 New
          +1
          There were a lot of such propaganda materials. Everyone called for desertion and said that life was better behind the front. Or were there no Czech and Slovak divisions in the Russian army?
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 16 August 2013 08: 34 New
    +7
    About nothing. Half-thoughts, half-interjections. But aplomb and conceit.
  • chehywed
    chehywed 16 August 2013 08: 38 New
    +7
    -Sharikov, what are you reading?
    -Engels' correspondence with this ... as his ... Kautsky!
    -Well...
    -And I do not agree ...
    -With whom? Engels or Kautsky?
    -With both ...
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 08: 42 New
      +2
      interesting lunge, let me also let it be
      - Okay, - said Chapaev, squinting slyly, - about "who" we are
      we'll talk later. And now, dear friend, let's figure it out with "where". Tell me
      me, where does this manda live?
      - In my mind.
      - And where is your consciousness?
      “Right here,” I said, tapping myself on the head.
      - And where is your head?
      - On shoulders.
      - Where are your shoulders?
      - In the room.
      - Where is the room?
      - In home.
      - And the house?
      - In Russia.
      - And where is Russia?
      - In trouble, Vasily Ivanovich.
      “Drop it,” he shouted sternly. - You will joke when
      the commander will order. Speak.
      - Well, how where. On the ground.
      We clinked glasses and drank.
      - And where is the Earth?
      - In the Universe.
      - And where is the Universe?
      I thought for a second.
      - By itself.
      - And where is this in itself?
      - In my mind.
      - So, Petka, it turns out that your consciousness is in your consciousness?
      - It turns out like this.
      - So, - said Chapaev and straightened his mustache. - Now listen to me
      carefully. Where is it located?
      “I don’t understand, Vasily Ivanovich. The concept of a place is one of
      categories of consciousness, so ...
      - Where's the place? Where is the concept of place?
      - Well, let's say this is not a place at all. We can say that this is re ...
      I stopped short. Yes, I thought, this is where he's heading. If I use
      with the word "reality", he will again reduce everything to my thoughts. And then he will ask
      where they are. I'll say what's in my head, and ... Gambit. Can,
      of course, indulge in quotes, but after all any of the systems on which I can
      to refer, I suddenly thought with surprise, or bypasses this semantic gap
      side, or plugs it up with a pair of dubious Latinisms. Yes, Chapaev at all
      not easy. Of course, there is a win-win way to end any dispute,
      having classified the interlocutor, it costs nothing to declare that everything he wants
      tends, well known, is called so and so, and human
      thought has long gone ahead. But I was ashamed to be like smug
      student, in the interval between the caps, leafing through the philosophical
      textbook. And besides, was it not I myself who recently told Berdyaev, who
      drunken conversation about the Greek roots of Russian communism, that philosophy
      Would it be more correct to call it Sopholism?
      Chapaev chuckled.
      - And where can human thought go forward? - he asked.
      - AND? - I said in confusion.
      - Ahead of what? Where is this "ahead"?
      I decided that, out of absent-mindedness, I spoke out loud.
      - Come on, Vasily Ivanovich, let's talk about the sober. I'm not a philosopher.
      We'd better have a drink.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 16 August 2013 09: 30 New
        +5
        Dear Tykta, in continuation of the topic:
        -Can you don't write?
        -Can!
        -Do not write!
        1. Tykta
          16 August 2013 09: 42 New
          +2
          throw in the heading anikdod nideli)
          1. dmb
            dmb 16 August 2013 12: 01 New
            +3
            Agreeing with what was written in the article at the same time, I can not disagree with the comment. Regarding Engels and Kautsky. You and an opponent of Warrawar, in my opinion, did an absolutely ungrateful thing: measuring the percentage of the contribution of people of one or another nationality to the Victory. And they were primarily people. And they were equally scared to die. But they were dying for us, not knowing that we would calculate the interest.
            1. Tykta
              16 August 2013 12: 26 New
              -4
              Sorry, I not only did not start, I did not even go deep ... just that comrade interferes with a bunch of ALL Slavs AT ALL and opposes this as an argument, whereas in my opinion, this is not that ugly, it is dishonorable. I reproached him for this fact, so he begins to broadcast to me about the greatness of Russia ... I realized that this is not treated, only a lobotomy ... or a gas van ... he still thinks that Hitler would have benefited Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians ..
      2. Aryan
        Aryan 16 August 2013 11: 34 New
        +4

        Why do you smoke, Amigos? wassat

  • Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 16 August 2013 08: 49 New
    +6
    ..... did not understand the author, what is the main idea of ​​the article?
    ..... shit on Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin? - so not new ........
    .... to reveal foulbrood among the hurray patriots, so the same has long been clear ...
    ... and what the author is better than them, it is not explained, what is his patriotism and how it differs from the patriotism of "pseudo-patriots" is not clear. I would like to hear with pleasure the author's proposals on the solution of the Chechen problem, perhaps then we would have seen manifestations of fascism in general (I would not be surprised, there are some hints in the article).
    .... so that the article leaves an impression of the incompleteness and scope of the topic, pulls for a comment but not for an article ........
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 09: 56 New
      +1
      meaning of the article in the picture)
  • a52333
    a52333 16 August 2013 08: 51 New
    +3
    In general and in general, I agree with the author. But the national card is easily played. (whether you are smart or not, this weakly affects self-identification.) Realizing that you belong to a particular ethnic group, you begin to compare yourself (your group) with other ethnic groups and look for differences and similarities. And the level of mental development of an ethnos does not reduce this desire - Jews, British, Japanese, Kurds and Mongols, just as we subconsciously separate ourselves from the rest. Another point, is nationality tolerant of another?
    Russians are tolerant in my opinion. Well, we are angry, but more in everyday life: we chatted and that's it.
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  • Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf 16 August 2013 08: 54 New
    +1
    Ossetians in terms of population per hero of the USSR during the Second World War take 1st place, followed by the Kalmyks, although they fought until 1943. I don't remember any further.
  • nemec55
    nemec55 16 August 2013 09: 02 New
    +8
    Here is one of the former comments of this miracle of the author
    Tykta (2) RU July 9, 2013 13:38 p.m. ↑

    Was Hitler German for sure? or not? Are you definitely a German? and then one named German and by occupation, the Fuhrer has already radically solved troubles with our people ... you will be the same as I understand it - but you are not a fascist, you are enemies of the Russians, the history of world wars confirms this.


    I am German, my ancestors have been living in Russia since the time of Peter the Great, and this mushroom writes such comments.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 09: 08 New
      -1
      After Austria was annexed to Germany in 1938, the birthplace of Hitler's father became an object of pilgrimage, but this did not last long. A training ground was set up at this place. The cemetery, where his grandmother was buried from his father's side, disappeared, and the local population was dispersed to different districts. And this was not an accident. Hitler was fully aware of the need to keep his relatives out of public attention and history, but, above all, he had additional reasons.

      His grandfather was listed as unknown in his paternal birth documents. But after all, according to strict rules, in order to confirm the "Aryan" origin, it was necessary to present a pedigree up to 1750. Hitler could not do this.
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: nemec55
      I am German, my ancestors have been living in Russia since the time of Peter the Great, and this mushroom writes such comments.

      Don't listen to the foolish Asiopian - Russians are part of the European family of nations. And no matter what battles were between the Russians and the Germans and all other European peoples, they will always remain the closest relatives.
      And the Germans served Russia a lot, during the time of the Empire there was a proverb "There is no worse Russian than a Russified German." And this proverb is not accidental, for many Germans shed rivers of blood for Russia. But then the communist executioners came and decided everyone indiscriminately.
      1. Tykta
        16 August 2013 09: 16 New
        -1
        especially Hitler focused on this in Mein Kampf) you are so educated that you do not remember who was the aggressor 2 times in 2 world wars))) Probably they were Russians from your point of view, it is so convenient for you, the Germans are holy Russians themselves to blame that the Germans are 2 times the Russians threw the glove and received 2 meals
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 29 New
          -2
          Quote: Tykta
          especially on this Hitler emphasized in Mein Kampf)

          What exactly did he focus on?
          1. Tykta
            16 August 2013 10: 19 New
            -3
            “For centuries, Russia has lived at the expense of the German core in its upper layers of the population. Now this core has been completely destroyed. The Germans took the place of the Jews. But just as the Russians cannot throw off the yoke of the Jews with their own efforts, so many Jews cannot keep this vast state under their control for a long time. The Jews themselves are by no means an element of the organization, but rather an enzyme of disorganization. This giant eastern state is inevitably doomed to ruin. All the prerequisites are ripe for this. The end of Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state. Fate intended us to witness such a catastrophe, which, better than anything else, will confirm the absolute correctness of our racial theory. ”
            Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 16 August 2013 10: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Tykta
              For centuries, Russia has lived at the expense of the German core in its upper strata of the population.

              Well, yes, it really is. A very large part of the Russian-imperial intelligentsia and military command was German and this fact cannot be denied.
              But Russia, of course, lived not only at the expense of one "Hermian core", it's just that this Germanic core really was
              And then whether someone likes or dislikes this fact, it does not change anything. Because it is a fact.
              1. Tykta
                16 August 2013 10: 46 New
                -3
                clear - that is, you are for Hitler's ideas? you can not continue ... I understand you, you are not Russian
                1. Warrawar
                  Warrawar 16 August 2013 11: 21 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Tykta
                  clear - that is, you are for Hitler's ideas? you can not continue ... I understand you, you are not Russian

                  No, I’m not for Hitler’s ideas, and I’ve never said or mentioned it. And everything is squinting at him, apparently according to Freud. And yes I am Russian.
                  1. Tykta
                    16 August 2013 11: 44 New
                    -3
                    I don't even want to argue with you, I want to know the phone number of your huckster)
                2. Essenger
                  Essenger 17 August 2013 04: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Tykta
                  clear - that is, you are for Hitler's ideas? you can not continue ... I understand you, you are not Russian

                  It is a fact that before the revolution of 17, the Germans ruled Russia, after that power passed to the hands of the Jews.
            2. CTEPX
              CTEPX 16 August 2013 15: 51 New
              -1
              Quote: Tykta
              The place of the Germans was taken by the Jews.

              Note)). Hitler wanted the Germans to take the place of the Jews)).
              Quote: Tykta
              Jews are not able to keep this huge state under their control for a long time

              What are you arguing about? There is a given ... Russians, Jews, Arabs and Gypsies are nations)). All the rest are trying to become them)).
              1. Tykta
                16 August 2013 16: 04 New
                0
                minor correction of opinion for revisionists and others in anticipation of bright prospects for the Russians. don't sneeze !!
                "We had 3,9 million Russians at our disposal, of which only 1,1 million remained. From November 1941 to January 1942 alone, 500.000 Russians died."
                - Speech by the Ministerial Director Mansfeld in the Imperial Chamber of Commerce 19 February 1942 of the Year
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 16 August 2013 09: 09 New
    +5
    Small salary, pension, poor education, in the end there is no "hot water in the toilet" Putin is to blame, and who else. Bad attitude of Caucasians, bad attitude towards Caucasians Putin is to blame, who else. And so on to infinity, we have a lot of dogs that can be hung. And did the author think about what he personally did in order to prevent this from happening? Do Caucasians feel like winners? Rather, they feel like citizens of their state and behave the way they used to behave at home. Ask why we can’t behave like this in the Caucasus, but the answer is we are to blame. Many people write on the site about a tolerant Europe, not noticing that this tolerance has already made its way to us. Try to swing the right in my area in the village, so the locals swing, the Caucasians seem to be the best friends. And in general, the article smacks of fine discord.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 August 2013 09: 16 New
      0
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      Has the author thought about what he personally did in order to prevent this from happening? Do Caucasians feel like winners? Rather, they feel like citizens of their state and behave the way they used to behave at home. Ask why we can’t behave like this in the Caucasus, but the answer is we are to blame.

      I do not quite agree with you here. In our country, legal chaos is now going on, and it is this that allows Caucasians to behave the way they do. And the blame for this lies entirely with our authorities.
      But on the other hand, I also agree that we have given up the slack in recent years.
      1. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 16 August 2013 09: 56 New
        +1
        And this fault and weakness is precisely because of the notorious tolerance. No one from the authorities willingly allows Caucasians to behave as if they did not descend from the mountains. Either fear, or greed covered by tolerance.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 16 August 2013 10: 10 New
          0
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          And this fault and weakness is precisely because of the notorious tolerance. No one from the authorities willingly allows Caucasians to behave as if they did not descend from the mountains. Either fear, or greed covered by tolerance.

          They are furious with impunity. This is the fault of the authorities, they have created a completely ineffective law enforcement system, unable to protect citizens from bandit arbitrariness and lawlessness, which is mainly engaged in "protecting" vegetable markets and other near-criminal objects.
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 16 August 2013 13: 14 New
            -1
            Quote: Warrawar
            They are furious with impunity. This is the fault of the authorities, they created a completely incompetent law enforcement system.

            The fault of the authorities is that they are afraid of the system of Russian military-patriotic education)). Of course, the Angloskuns won't pat them on the head for this)). But how much can you say!
    2. Rosomaha67
      Rosomaha67 16 August 2013 09: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      And did the author think about what he personally did in order to prevent this from happening? ....... And in general, the article smacks of fine discord.



      ...... correctly noted, I completely agree with the author of the comment !!!
  • krpmlws
    krpmlws 16 August 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    The author of the article clearly suffers from delusions of grandeur, hence the excessive aggressiveness, intolerance to other opinions.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 09: 47 New
      -6
      how many orderlies!)
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 16 August 2013 13: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Tykta
        how many orderlies!)

        And what is more important to you - your own labido or the idea that you are trying to introduce to the masses?
        Little boy.
        1. Tykta
          16 August 2013 13: 52 New
          -2
          my libido is not so egocentric as that of someone who takes STERKH for himself) and cho not GLAVSTERH right away? otherwise I don't play these games with the labido of the masses due to the frustration of consciousness)
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 16 August 2013 14: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Tykta
            my libido is not as egocentric as that of someone who takes STERKH for himself) and cho not GLAVSTERKH

            You see - you answered)). It doesn't matter to you what I wrote, the important thing is POSITIONING)).
            1. Tykta
              16 August 2013 14: 46 New
              +1
              I am not interested in positioning, for me the root cause is more important
              1. CTEPX
                CTEPX 16 August 2013 15: 54 New
                -1
                Quote: Tykta
                positioning is not interesting, for me the root cause is more important

                wink
  • gura
    gura 16 August 2013 09: 39 New
    +6
    From Minsk. Reminiscent of the notes of a doctor observing a paranoid patient. Surprisingly, some conscientious readers of the site try to find a "pearl grain" in it, like a rooster from grandfather Krylov's fable - "Raking a pile of dung, the rooster found a pearl grain ...". There is no grain here, not even a coherent thought.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 11: 20 New
      +1
      that's right, these "patients" bother me the most)
      Quote: Warrawar
      Quote: Tykta
      For centuries, Russia has lived at the expense of the German core in its upper strata of the population.

      Well, yes, it really is. A very large part of the Russian-imperial intelligentsia and military command was German and this fact cannot be denied.
      But Russia, of course, lived not only at the expense of one "Hermian core", it's just that this Germanic core really was
      And then whether someone likes or dislikes this fact, it does not change anything. Because it is a fact.
  • Yura
    Yura 16 August 2013 09: 43 New
    +6
    I live in a relatively small village in which a lot of people came to live at one time (ninety-nine percent of them are Russians) from the republics of now independent countries, the motive in the article is described truthfully. Most of all in these people it was killing me, no, one thing was not so striking, in the conversation of most of them who lived almost all their conscious lives or were born there in general, one could often hear "but they have ..., but they ... ", and not a single kind word about them, and then there and then on about the Russians," but the Russians, and these are such ... "and in this spirit, Goebels is resting, and one day one of them, in principle, a good man whom we worked together and therefore communicated more, I say: - "Who are you? You define yourself! They did to you what you allowed to do", he told me: "So they are a crowd and often with weapons," I told him: - "And why were you without a weapon and why wasn’t you united, since all the same, leaving would have kneaded those who climbed down from the tree and shed from there, and now, not having done their peasant business there, you hay those with whom you sit at the same table and share the roof, with whom you are a couple you earn your bread. " He never returned to such conversations, at least in my presence. This example, I mean, well, a person does not have a position, everything that he had just given away, here came something that he does not just want to take, and everyone owes and owes him everything. Yes, for me any hurray is a patriot shouting: - "Russia forward" and "All the way Putin" but at the right time covering his back, better than the silent eternally chewing, silently watching as his compatriots spread rot. The position, that's the main thing to be understood, to be understandable to oneself, "the most difficult thing in this world is to be just a normal person", and not a broiler. In general, there is a lot to say about the article, with which I am in solidarity with something, there are many questions in one article, unequivocal approval or disapproval is not obtained.
  • alone
    alone 16 August 2013 09: 47 New
    +7
    people then shed blood, protected themselves and died for their HOMELAND. and no one asked what nationality he was. from one pot they ate porridge. It's a pity that today the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of these real people, sit and find out from which people how many died. everybody had traitors, traitors, and there is no need to label whole nations for this.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 10: 02 New
      +1
      I said everything correctly ... neither add nor subtract
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 16 August 2013 09: 49 New
    +2
    For me, all Slavs are brothers. (well, except for Bendera) laughing
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 16 August 2013 13: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      For me, all Slavs are brothers. (well, except for Bendera)

      Bandera are traitors to traitors)).
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 17 August 2013 00: 22 New
      0
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      For me, all Slavs are brothers. (well, except for Bendera)
      Do not confuse Bandera with Bender. BENDER is a city in Moldova, residents are offended, so you can fasten Ostap Bender to your enemies. hi
  • Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 16 August 2013 09: 53 New
    +3
    Every day I meet with a bunch of nationalists and freaks in this forum, some advocate for Putin, others for all neoliberalists, still others do not hide their contempt for the country where I live - this is Russia.

    I wonder what category the author considers himself in. Common thoughts slip in the article, but the presentation of the material, in the style of "you all .... sir, I am Dartanyan," dislikes both the article itself and the author thereof.
  • Hort
    Hort 16 August 2013 09: 54 New
    +3
    Navalny is the same nationalist as I am - a ballerina.
    As for the "syndrome of winners" among Caucasians, then, as has already been repeatedly noted in various topics, one way or another touching upon this issue, I will only note that we may have lost the battle, but not the war.
    And the point in this very bad situation has not yet been put.
    Why the situation is bad, I think, there is no need to explain.
    I agree with the author of the article that behind the geopolitical external successes, the government somehow forgets about the need for NORMAL governance within the country. Including in the field of migration, both internal and external. And what is somewhat surprising - they even kondopogi with Pugachev's - "God's dew".
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 10: 56 New
      +2
      but in his words he is a nationalist) so you can safely shout that you are a ballerina
      You understand that his statement is just an orientation towards a certain part of the electorate, which confirms the thesis about his venality, he at all costs needs to legalize himself in power ... and the most surprising thing is that he will be allowed to do it !!! even if not in the role of mayor of Moscow, but he will still receive some kind of post, they will throw a bone to the dog
      1. Hort
        Hort 16 August 2013 12: 33 New
        +2
        you can say anything. The main thing is to do it more convincingly. For example, I can begin to publicly admonish the population that I flew from the constellation of the Big Vedmed to my brothers in mind. The main thing is not to overplay, so as not to thunder into a fool.
        And Navalny in this regard has long outplayed, seriously his statements about belonging to the "right" are perceived only by stoned swamp national demos and other riffraffs from the same swamp, which does not even have an intelligible political program, unlike, for example, the nationalists of the "old spill" , like Sevastyanov when he was chairman of the NDPR. And all their slogans can be briefly summed up with Sharikov's phrase "take everything and share"
      2. Hort
        Hort 16 August 2013 12: 38 New
        +1
        of course I understand. All the more rejection and cause the so-called national democrats.
        As for the bone, I'm not sure if he can get anything. It's just that while it is beneficial to divert the attention of a certain part of the public from more serious problems and jambs of the authorities, they are allowed to "oppose". Then they will be thrown out like used material, or they will be imprisoned. But they will sit down later, when the attention to his person dies down, otherwise the crowd will make him a hero and unnecessary consequences will arise
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      3. CTEPX
        CTEPX 16 August 2013 13: 31 New
        -1
        Quote: Tykta
        even if not in the role of mayor of Moscow, but he will still receive some kind of post, they will throw a bone to the dog

        Why do they throw the bone? Well, if (Putin) has everything under control?
        I know: all the polymers are fucked up!
        Do you think that the enemy (let's say Gorbach) would not have figured out how to do it more correctly?
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          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 16 August 2013 14: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Tykta
            you will be GLAVSTERKH, Putin will need to check your account on the forum, take your old one - GLAVPITUH)))

            Apparently, you did not serve in the army, but UZHO to teach demobels))?
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 16 August 2013 09: 58 New
    0
    The impression is that the author is nostalgic for the USSR, the relations of national brotherhood that they tried to establish, such as a new community of the Soviet people. And this is a mirage. Maybe Russians, Belarusians, Eastern Ukrainians had something like that. And the rest have their own shirt closer to the body.
    1. Armata
      Armata 16 August 2013 10: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: sevtrash
      It seems that the author is nostalgic for the USSR, the relations of the national brotherhood that they tried to establish, such as the new community of the Soviet people.
      I am also nostalgic for those times. So what?
      Quote: sevtrash
      And this is a mirage. Maybe the Russians, Belarusians, Eastern Ukrainians had something like that. And the rest have their own shirt closer to the body.
      It’s interesting, but it’s a problem, we all lived in the same country and according to the same laws. and no one from their republic fled anywhere (only they sent by distribution).
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 16 August 2013 21: 55 New
        -2
        Quote: Mechanic
        I am also nostalgic for those times. So what?

        Never mind
        Quote: Mechanic
        only by distribution sent

        And this is what?
        1. SergBrNord
          SergBrNord 17 August 2013 17: 33 New
          0
          Quote: sevtrash
          Quote: Mechanic
          I am also nostalgic for those times. So what?

          Never mind
          Quote: Mechanic
          only by distribution sent

          And this is what?

          But this is what?
  • alebor
    alebor 16 August 2013 10: 07 New
    +4
    I don’t know why, but after reading the article, for some reason, a phrase of the Stalin era came up in my head: “rootless cosmopolitan”.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 10: 31 New
      +2
      a rootless cosmopolitan is one who has lost his homeland. moreover, on their own. we abandoned the USSR for the sake of the world conjuncture and a handful of traitors who continue to crush with Nazi slogans what we did not create. you are probably right - we have abandoned our homeland.
  • dmit-xnumx
    dmit-xnumx 16 August 2013 10: 38 New
    0
    I read the article and came to the conclusion: verbiage (some reproaches and no constructivism).
  • Jet blackbird
    Jet blackbird 16 August 2013 10: 49 New
    0
    If .... there is no legality in the state, if .... a low standard of living, if .... corruption reigns, if .... unemployment (and many other negativities), then nationalism flourishes as a "response" to not the consistency of the state itself. And this is used by politicians - corrupt officials of all stripes, using nationalism for their cheap popularity - among the illiterate population.
  • Anti
    Anti 16 August 2013 10: 58 New
    +1
    Article plus or minus. But why the president, do you know what country he received?
    I would like to know the author's opinion on this: “Now I know the difference between a call and an action, and I realized that those who call for a bloody battle most often expect sacrifice from others, but they themselves remain alive. But at seventeen, a boy is so easily infected with rebellious ideas! Those who have not yet learned to value their own life, very rarely can understand the real value of another person's life and easily learns to take it away. "
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 11: 08 New
      -2
      even for Libya, for me there is no doubt that he was involved ... why do I concern foreign interests? because it is an indicator of internal affairs.
      1. Anti
        Anti 16 August 2013 21: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Tykta
        even for Libya, for me there is no doubt that he was involved

        Libya was not our ally, despite the fact that we forgave her debts, they financed the creatures of the Chechen militants, Basayev and Khattab, Gelayev, Barayev and others, our guys died from these nits, Libya was not involved?
    2. Tykta
      16 August 2013 17: 03 New
      -1
      Quote: Anti

      I would like to know the author's opinion on this: “Now I know the difference between a call and an action, and I realized that those who call for a bloody battle most often expect sacrifice from others, but they themselves remain alive. But at seventeen, a boy is so easily infected with rebellious ideas! Those who have not yet learned to value their own life, very rarely can understand the real value of another person's life and easily learns to take it away. "

      I will start with the fact that I am not 17 years old for a long time, I will end with the fact that knowing what death is, understanding what death is - it fades into the background. when this understanding comes, I do not feel sorry for either my life or someone else's. the value of someone else's life falls sharply only when you realize that your own is worthless.
      1. Anti
        Anti 16 August 2013 23: 13 New
        +1
        So you are still young enough, and understanding will come, you will not go anywhere, wake up to regret not only about which of the people you did harm in life, but also from childhood, killed sparrows and frogs from a slingshot, and much more.
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius 16 August 2013 11: 20 New
    +5
    I read the article ... I wanted to approve. Changed my mind. Then I read it again. Doubts intensified. I started reading comments (first of all, the author’s thoughts and answers were interesting). As a result, I did not evaluate what honestly I admit to the author.
    The reasons. First, the author is overly emotional in his assessments. Competent journalism should be devoid of emotional coloring. The second - the material is not systematized and presented randomly. The fourth is language. This is a stone in the garden of not even the author (as I understand it, he is very young, because "proof", "proof", "proof" ...), but a person who lays out such an article.
    Just yesterday, there was a publication on the site about fierce, total illiteracy, and now, welcome! negative
    And finally, the last.
    Although the author wrote that, they say, he did not like Jews, but it was a young man and generally long ago, but I did not leave the feeling that the meaning of the article was a kind of cry of the soul, multiplied by a voice of conscience. To be honest, in my opinion, it didn’t work out very well. In fairness, I note that the main message in the article - nationalism - this is bad - is worthy of praise and support.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 11: 54 New
      +3
      I'm not young, I am familiar with the terms) no cry from the heart, rather think, realize the reasons for what is happening in our society ... this is wild ... what we fought with, with Nazism suddenly in some incomprehensible, unknown way sounds from everyone pages ... it's crazy ... last week I watched Armen Dzhikharganian's interview on YouTube ... it hurt so much, so ashamed ... he talked about Nagorno-Karabakh and the USSR, and he also did not understand what had happened. I spoke with my father like that, he has the same thoughts, the same bewilderment and misunderstanding ... how could they ?! how did we let this happen ?! people
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 16 August 2013 13: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Tykta
        how did we let this happen ?! people

        First, this is our common pain.
        Second: comment in a sober way.
        1. Tykta
          16 August 2013 14: 22 New
          -4
          hear the clown - did you pour?
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 16 August 2013 14: 35 New
            0
            Quote: Tykta
            ly clown - did you pour?

            If you are not drunk)). Then the problem)).
            Are you a provocateur?
            1. Tykta
              16 August 2013 15: 00 New
              0
              then a drunk then a provocateur (((why are such extremes then ah?)
  • optimist
    optimist 16 August 2013 11: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: Jet blackbird
    If .... there is no legality in the state, if .... a low standard of living, if .... corruption reigns, if .... unemployment (and many other negativities), then nationalism flourishes as a "response" to not the consistency of the state itself. And this is used by politicians - corrupt officials of all stripes, using nationalism for their cheap popularity - among the illiterate population.

    It was this postulate that I liked. The rest, as they say, is from the evil one. The current full-time government deliberately pushes people against their heads in order to distract from real everyday problems. Well, as for the "races" of Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia, the point has not yet been put on this issue. I am very afraid that it will have a bloody tint ... Nationalism, of course, is a bad thing. But in this situation, without a share of HEALTHY nationalism, Russians in 30-40 years may simply disappear as a nation. (Which is exactly what the current government and its overseas "curators" are trying to achieve).
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 16 August 2013 14: 08 New
      0
      Quote: optimist
      Russians in 30-40 years may simply disappear as a nation. (Which is exactly what the current government and its overseas "curators" are trying to achieve).

      Do you know what the problem is? Russians (as well as Jews, as well as Arabs + Gypsies) tried to DISAPPEAR tueva a lot of years))). Let's say - 2013)).
      This is impossible as long as civilization exists)). And even when civilization dies, we will be remembered as we remember the Aryans and Atlanteans)).
      But our problem is that today the Russians are WE. And ours, such pitiful (such GREAT) lives will try to take the Arabs at the instigation of the Jews)).
  • Vasilić
    Vasilić 16 August 2013 11: 44 New
    +2
    my "five cents" from Kazakhstan ..
    1 - I agree that we (Soviet people) were divided in all possible ways (from nationality to place of residence) were divided into "groups" ... and we, with our correct worldview, did not oppose anything ... we did nothing ...
    2 - about "the locals are pushing out":
    - firstly it is so everywhere ... in all countries of the world so ...
    - secondly (specifically in Kazakhstan) they were ousted mainly from the authorities and the state. structures (which is what is) ... in commercial and industrial. enterprises, it was only at first ... because nationality does not add experience or abilities and knowledge ...
    - thirdly, places in power and in any "sweet" place are frankly sold ... and it's no longer a matter of nationality or anything else ... it's a matter of human greed ... and greed, like any other vice - "common to all mankind" ... of course, "s in o and m" - "s to and d to and" ... but ... where there is money - nothing else affects ..
    3 - the losses of the Slavs in relation to Asia are naturally greater ... after all, the war came from the west ...
    and about who is more in numbers, etc., etc. - stop! ... every life is important ... any veteran deserves respect! be it a Kazakh, Uzbek, Tajik and everyone who took part in the Second World War ... everyone seized grief .. who did not fight on the front line - he was bent in the rear from hunger and work ... the war was everywhere ...

    the USSR defeated the Nazis !! ...... The USSR !!! .. Whether anyone likes it or not, it is so ... and all the republics took part in this victory!

    ... some fought ... others dressed ... fed ... armed ...
    ... it was one country ... and the war was one for all ...

    and it's enough to blame Gorbachev in the collapse of the USSR ... he made a lot of mistakes, it's stupid to argue ... but he didn't tear the country apart ... and after him they did so much harm that all Gorbachev's mistakes were just a puff of vegetable oil ...
    blaming Gorbachev alone for the collapse of the USSR is like blaming a gun for murder ... or a bullet ... or a trigger ...
    ... the country was destroyed by power-hungry little people and all those who believed them ... and all those who did not oppose this in any way ...
    ... alcoholism is to blame for both the drunk and the seller and the manufacturer ...
    you all are not tired of throwing off the blame?
    ..the spectators ...
    .. tear your veins in search of the truth, constantly dodging it ...
    ... you live by the law of "nay ... close your own", but you want something bright and pure ...
    ... you adore freebies .. but yourself, but just like that - "don't ... do I need it?"
    ... the Asians piss you off when they clean up after you ... by themselves, it's not hot ...
    ..hozza work only on Wednesdays ...

    ... where is the place where everything is ready at once? ...
    ... immediately built, adjusted, not fouled ...
    ... all neighbors are selected from the catalog ..
    ... and they all pray to one god ...
    ... not a hotzza of mosques..bones in the capital?
    .. let everyone go to the village ... frolic in the church ...
    ..and let her hunched over with humiliation ...
    ... that there is no investment in it ...
    ... let's start a stall with a foreign name ..
    ... because right now this is fashionable ... gabbans gathering ...
    ... let's finally give the veterans a hut ...
    ... and let's say kaneshna "deservedly! .. NATE!"
    ... we will sow the fields ... we will raise cattle ...
    ... nooo ... smells like work ...
    ... all the brothers ... leaving ...
    ... we run to monitors on the power of the mother ..
    ... and there - even a flood ...
    ... kind of like that ...
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 16 August 2013 14: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasilich
      and it's enough to blame Gorbachev in the collapse of the USSR ... he made a lot of mistakes, it's stupid to argue ... but he didn't tear the country apart ... and after him they did so much harm that all Gorbachev's mistakes were just a puff of vegetable oil ... blaming Gorbachev alone for the collapse of the USSR is like blaming a gun for murder ... or a bullet ... or a trigger ...

      Here you are wrong. Gorbachev has no mistakes. He is a traitor.
  • Makarov
    Makarov 16 August 2013 11: 52 New
    +4
    A dangerous topic brought up by an amateur is the famous monkey with a grenade ... A person who cannot distinguish and explain to the audience the everyday antisimetism of youth, cannot explain why this or that phenomenon in the national question is incorrect or true ... a very dangerous topic.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 12: 14 New
      -6
      I am interested in the term everyday anti-Semitism ... to be honest, I have not seen a single living Jew until the age of 18, only on TV) how did I independently undergo a transformation of my views? people grow up, absorb information, understand the world around them, get wiser in the end ... by the way, did I mention my fear of using stamps? Where have you seen a monkey with a grenade? I still think sho such monkeys will not harm anyone except themselves ...
      and another question about you - what do you think is larger in size - a billiard ball or a grenade?) to the topic about monkeys
      1. Tykta
        16 August 2013 14: 30 New
        -1
        judging by the cons of 4 bodies in the topic about a billiard ball and a grenade))
        1. Makarov
          Makarov 16 August 2013 15: 13 New
          +1
          and to whom I crucified ... "bodies in the subject" ... what year are you "billiard" ???
          1. Tykta
            16 August 2013 15: 37 New
            -1
            I managed to be a pioneer)
      2. Makarov
        Makarov 16 August 2013 15: 01 New
        +2
        Household - the level of communication. So everyday anti-Semitism begins with the fact that people try to copy the Odessa, southern specific dialect, which for them is a special tsimes, and I will even say more - a kind of feny that identifies them in this world ... if you will allow their particular position in this world. ..nobody needs them ... in Israel they are Russian, in Russia they are Jews.

        How have your views changed? I don’t know what they were and what they became ... I don’t know you and your actions, I cannot identify you with respect to my system of values, and therefore the next question is completely incomprehensible to me, I don’t understand the essence. And the use of stamps and your fear of using them - do not use. Your right

        And the answer to the last question, I answer: red, but only on Thursdays. Is the answer clear? Because the question is not clear to me at all ... which grenade, which billiard ball, why compare them, I imagine a monkey with an F1 grenade (lemon), and I know at least three sizes of billiard balls, if the parallel is not clear to you, then I will answer simpler - only high-class professionals should deal with the national issue - people who do not get confused in terminology and therefore can explain the essence of things. All other publications on this topic by non-professionals are a very wrong act, especially in a multinational country. I'm talking about the responsibility that the author of the article bears.

        For example: Politicians do not "play" nationalism ... you cannot say that, in Central Asia the situation was and remains very difficult - this is a very difficult topic even for professionals ... One author, quite roughly but very aptly summed up the cause of that conflict: “... they begin to kill their own only because some members were circumcised not under the prayer under which they were circumcised in others ... "(c) (Kunin" Russians at Marienplatz ") ... the author has the right to such a statement: he lived half a year in Central Asia life ...
        1. Tykta
          16 August 2013 15: 30 New
          +2
          about monkeys with a grenade and a billiard ball, these are characters of anecdotes, therefore, in the discussion, submitting hackneyed anecdotal cliches is a sign of contempt for the one to whom the message is addressed, you gave me a pass - I answered, I don't know - google it ..
          I have already said that for the first time I saw a Jew at the age of 18, about everyday anti-Semitism and tsimes, you confuse subculture and mimkry with this concept, how can there be everyday anti-Semitism if the bearer of the subculture openly presents himself as the bearer of this very, albeit a little non-standard, but still Semitic culture ... the concept of ANTI-Semitism in its deep understanding as a counterculture to the Semites, hatred and slogans such as "beat the Jews, save Russia", are the inhabitants of Odessa really double anti-Semites?) Don't be ridiculous, an obvious logical discrepancy
          about changing views ... at some point I realized that there are people smarter than me, there are more stupid than me, and I always tried to understand how we are different, which views on life are incompatible, and which, on the contrary, are similar. I myself, being an atheist, studied the dogmatic foundations of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism ... life itself seems to me differently than most people, for me all religions were a stage of evolution in the life of mankind, but now people must look for new ways of mutual understanding and mutual coexistence. religion is a vestige of history, and .. perhaps that's enough.
          politicians do not play nationalism))) do you yourself believe in it?) few people have not played these games, either on one side of the field, or on the other ... let's take two figures on the historical board - Hitler and Stalin. one was a pronounced nationalist, the other, on the contrary, was, as they said then, an internationalist, and I do not understand why this word is now replaced by the word multiculturalism.
          about the fact that only experts can talk about the national question ... here just without words ...
  • agbykov
    agbykov 16 August 2013 12: 01 New
    0
    One must hate sin, not people. It is necessary to hate Nazism, which infects people, but not these unfortunate "sick" themselves ...
  • taseka
    taseka 16 August 2013 12: 10 New
    +5
    I agree that in 1812, I agree that on the 41-45 front, though in 12 there was a rack, and in 43 there was the NKVD and GB, ALSO AGREED that certain forces of the Chechens, Kalmyk, Tatars had been cut by the Soviet troops and the "Wild" were created again divisions with SS Galicia! The Russian will say, “Hello,” and those with whom our leaders meet in the Caucasus will hold their hands to their hearts, and with a bow they will shake two and a brocade gold robe with a blade will be presented and called Batyr many times! People fall for flattery and are afraid of everything they offend their "brothers", they are afraid to the point of colic and the so-called national question, and therefore they are beating first of all their Vanka, Vanka is accustomed, Vanka will blow !!! And then suddenly on you! At the bazaar, our “brothers” suddenly got police while they were visiting us with cancer! Here is the embarrassment!
    1. Yura
      Yura 16 August 2013 13: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: taseka
      At the bazaar, our "brothers" suddenly, while visiting us with cancer, put the police! Here's the embarrassment!

      These are not "our brothers" dogs, greyhounds, these are very often policemen, our mongrels are rootless, feeding from anyone's hands, not dogs of the sovereign, not servants of the people, victims of their greed who do not respect themselves and do not think that their children will be proud of them or hide the fact that their father is a policeman. I know several militiamen, now policemen, excellent men and the right people, why is it a disgrace to them because of some ...
      1. taseka
        taseka 18 August 2013 12: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Jura
        I know a few policemen now police are excellent men and right people

        Agree YURA I am also sure that there are more honest men there, but how to "destroy" the reptiles in their ranks! drinks
  • skullcap
    skullcap 16 August 2013 13: 33 New
    +5
    After reading this article, I had, and then the thought got stronger that if I worked as a troll, I would strive to write such materials for the crowd.
    If you do not immediately rush headlong into controversy, what we see:
    - frankly intriguing and attractive name;
    - a burning and extremely painful subject raised, requiring a delicate and delicate approach;
    - A whole heap of the most diverse thoughts, none of which is brought to its logical conclusion, and therefore leaving a wide field for the everyone to think in the direction desired for him. Moreover, if they are thought out in the stream proposed by the author, many of them will conflict with each other, and some will turn out to be those against which the author’s perturbed mind seems to be directed;
    - all this is seasoned with a bunch of hysterical, claiming sincerity of a sore soul of expressions, many of which would not be called other than an insult to alleged opponents.
    ... In general, if the proposed material is viewed as a cry of the patriot’s tormented soul, then the article clearly failed. But if this is a troll's work, then it must be admitted that this is a product of aerobatics, designed to divert people to empty Internet chatter, killing the mass of their good time.
    I personally am inclined to the second option and the decision: do not return to this article.
    1. Yura
      Yura 16 August 2013 13: 52 New
      0
      Quote: kosopuz
      But if this is a work of a troll, then we must admit that this is a product of aerobatics, designed to distract people to empty Internet chatter, killing a lot of their useful time.

      I don't think so, though ..... ???
    2. Tykta
      16 August 2013 14: 26 New
      0
      everything is correct about dissonance, but who am I to give decisions on these issues? I advised to remember those with whom we went through the wars, and now we begin to blame them for our troubles, although in their homelands it is worse for them than for us, we are big, and they are small ... think with your head first of all and preferably yours ... Leave these secrets to the intrigues of the investigation
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 16 August 2013 16: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: Tykta
        I advised to remember those

        Do you remember the boy who shouted: Wolves, wolves !!! ?
        1. Tykta
          16 August 2013 16: 54 New
          0
          I don’t remember who ended up there, an elephant in a china shop or a bear from the edra?
    3. Makarov
      Makarov 16 August 2013 15: 06 New
      +1
      it's a pity that under this one cannot put two pluses or three)))
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 16 August 2013 14: 38 New
    +2
    I will also contribute to the discussion:

    As I understood from the article (not literally and guessing, because the truth is expressed not in words but between the lines)
    the author hates nationalism, the new Russian nationalists and the new nationalists, churkov, praises the grandfathers of the internationalists who fought side by side in two patriotic wars and defended the COMMON homeland together. Everything is correct.
    The author also complains that in the post-Soviet countries, including Russia, with the collapse of the union, nationalism has arisen, and the leaders of the countries are developing it with their erroneous policies. I want to say on this topic:

    This is not surprising! This is a natural process! Unfortunately! After rapid development, there is a collapse, after progress - regression, history develops in waves.
    Let me give you an example from history. He studied at the university the history of the Middle Ages, the topic is the Cordoba Caliphate. A brief excursion, the Arabs, after the arrival of Mohammed and his preaching, in the 6th century from an ordinary tribal ethnos inhabiting part of the Arab peninsula, turned into a large country, led conquest campaigns, in the east they reached China, and in the west they reached Morocco, Spain and the south of France ... After that, all the conquered land was divided into caliphates. So the Cordoba Caliphate was in Spain.

    Another thing to know is that the Prophet Mohammed did not keep records of his sermons during his lifetime, only under the 3rd Caliph Omar they wrote down the Koran (the holy book of Muslims) from the lips of people (whose words they trusted) close to the prophet who heard what he said ... That is why interpreters of the Koran began to appear, who were united in different ways (like sects in Christianity), there were then 4 kinds: Hanifi, Maliki, Hanbalist and Shafiist. The Cordoba Caliphate professed the Maliki sense.
    How is it different from the rest? mainly by the fact that, he did not forbid the study of science, development, on the contrary, encouraged them, tolerated other peoples, translated the Koran, developed culture.
    The Cordoba Caliphate developed rapidly, both Christians, Jews and Muslims lived in it peacefully. The Arabic language was the language of science, culture, the Arabs knew the history of ancient Rrim, Greece, there are many sources where it is said that Christians willingly learn Arabic. There are more than 40 thousand words from Arabic in Spanish, and now you can also see the architectural structures of the Arab culture, for example, the oval arches that the Spaniards brought to Latin America. Culturally and well, people lived like this for 6 centuries on the Iberian Peninsula ...
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 16 August 2013 16: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      after the arrival of Mohammed and his preaching, in the 6th century

      Add a thousand years, please, and ends meet)).
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 16 August 2013 14: 39 New
    +2
    Continued ...

    But one day, the chtoli time came, all the good cultured people of the East died out, that first in the 13th century some Almohad Moors came to power and to the country from Africa, then other Bedouin savages of the Almoravids, that the country was declining. The latter differed from the first Arabs who entered Spanish land in that they were absolute savages. who knew neither culture nor science. They understood the Quran literally. Just like modern radicalists who want to turn ordinary Muslims of different nations (Islam is, after all, professed by different nations with different cultures and customs) into a single copy of Arab society.
    It began with them, the mirror is forbidden, it is forbidden to read everything except the Koran, moreover, it is necessary to read purely in Arabic. the rest is a lie (as if God himself is an Arab, may Allah forgive me for the comparison), drawing is also forbidden, they say, Allah hates copies, and so on other nonsense of a narrow-minded person. In the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" it is said: "There is too much religion in the eyes of the killer."
    As soon as fanatics began to harshly oppress Christians, the famous "Reconquista" began, which led to the complete expulsion of Muslims from Spain. Then the Renaissance era began, you know the rest of the world discoveries.

    So, after cultural development, an era of stagnation always comes, at this time the savages rule the ball, and the intelligentsia is asleep. And in order for the era of savages to pass quickly, it is necessary to develop science, culture, and knowledge, the more literacy the population has, both in scientific and religious terms, it will be much easier to get out of the collapse and come to development. And then again there will be no nationalists, but there will be one peaceful society.
    As they say, the more illiterate the people are, the easier it is to manage it. And only a selfish person strives to rule the people. God does not rule the people, God grants them freedom, freedom of thought and deed, for which he will then require an answer.
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 14: 52 New
      +1
      for the Salafis, the very mention of Allah in vain is a sin, and how do you interpret the Qur'an so it is generally heresy) to burn you in hell))) and in general, as I understand it from Muslims to say that other Muslims are not Muslim enough, this is dhikr?)) ) and what about the fact that drawing is a sin so it seems to be interpreted as "what Allah has created is only allowed to him" ... something like that))) oh, these Muslims BGG
      but everything is correct, only this is not written between the lines, it just needs to be understood that nationalism is bad and the worst thing that can be in human history is prejudice on ethnic grounds ... usually ended in mutual destruction
  • falcon
    falcon 16 August 2013 15: 00 New
    +2
    This article, apparently, is an angry rebuff to the "unenlightened cattle" who, in the author's opinion, entrenched themselves on this
    website. You pour out day and night on us "gray and poor" a stream of sacred revelations, as if from a horn
    abundance pouring from your pure and unclouded mind, and we, unreasonable, all strive to
    flock go astray! And it doesn't matter that this stream pours out in a bad and clumsy language - you are
    not a nationalist, which means that you do not have to love and respect the Russian language, and you
    obviously didn't finish! And I would like to understand which category you deign to refer yourself to:
    "patriot" Are you an "internationalist" or maybe an "abstract humanist"? "For the red you, or for
    whites? "
    1. Tykta
      16 August 2013 15: 02 New
      -2
      overdo it ... I'm for legalize in general) so that you are not closed when you smoke
  • military
    military 16 August 2013 17: 10 New
    +5
    "... I am deeply unsympathetic to most of the guests from the southern republics, but this is most likely just because of the fatigue that I feel when I have to communicate with them, from their intelligence and stubbornness, but sometimes there are those who have received a decent education who say in Russian practically without distorting it, communication with such people becomes a joy for me ... "
    in 79th, an Azerbaijani newcomer from a mountain village came to our class in a school near Moscow ... he spoke with an accent ... experienced difficulties in almost all subjects ... in 83rd in Afghanistan, he blocked the commander from the machine gun fire with himself ... . Russian ...
    in 2002, a drunken Russian driver in a Kamaz, turning around on the site in front of the hostel, knocked down a three-year-old girl and, pressing the pedal, drove away ... the mother's fainting ... the child in a pool of blood ... the staring crowd ... the crowd Russians ... an Armenian passing by from a neighboring house instantly brakes and instantly puts the bloody child in the salon of his brand new "Ford", vomits from the spot in the BSMP ...
    I am Russian ... but I would prefer to have such "foreigners" covered my back, in which there is more of Russian than in many of my fellow tribesmen ...
    take my word for it that there is shit in any environment and it has no nationality ...
  • clean water
    clean water 21 August 2013 17: 57 New
    0
    Quote: sasha.28blaga
    And did the author think about what he personally did in order to prevent this from happening?

    Each of these questions asks themselves first of all. How can you answer it?