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“Guys, aren't you scared?”

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I would like to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared? One with such wealth on the “big European road” ... Do not lose that our grandfathers shared and multiplied?


I have repeatedly said and wrote that economic expediency, as well as logic and common sense, indicate the need for Ukraine to join the Customs Union.

And here is another confirmation of this. In the Association of Suppliers of the Customs Union compared the indicators of the production of main products per capita in 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the “independent” Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.

As we see, even in 90, before the collapse of the Union, in not the best times for the economy, Ukrainian industry had far better results than now, in the era of “European integration”. It also provides data on Belarus, which is part of the Customs Union. This country is much inferior to Ukraine in its territory and population. However, production figures in Belarus are much better than Ukrainian ones. As they say, feel the difference ...

Unfortunately, it is not yet for everyone in the leadership of Ukraine that the need for closest integration in the post-Soviet space is obvious. But the good news is that there are people in power in Ukraine who do not need to explain common truths. People who want to see their country strong and prosperous.

Our Ukrainian colleagues from the “Financial Accent” project on “First Business Channel” invited Viktor Suslov to the studio. In the past, he - Minister of Economy, and more recently, a representative of the Government of Ukraine in the Eurasian Economic Commission.

I recommend to watch this program. The conversation turned out quite interesting. I will cite a few quotes.

V. Suslov is convinced that Eurasian integration is much more profitable for Ukraine economically, because “within the framework of the former Soviet Union, someone likes it or not, but quite powerful cooperative ties have been developed. First of all, in industry, in high-tech industries ... And by themselves, these connections are, of course, worth hundreds of billions of dollars. You just can’t refuse it. ” He notes that the space industry, aviation, shipbuilding, the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and other industries cannot develop without Russia, since we are very interconnected. “The development of these relations could bring Ukraine closer to the level that it had once achieved. But today, Ukraine is one of very few countries and, probably, the only post-Soviet country that has reached only 70% of 1990 production. We have not even reached the level that was before independence, ”V. Suslov emphasizes.

He is convinced that our countries should be together. And as an example, leads Belarus, which he recently visited. “In Ukraine, we managed to introduce ideas of total, ill-conceived privatization, which led to a halt and destruction of a huge number of enterprises. Because the idea of ​​“private owner more efficiently” was being introduced. And President Alexander Lukashenko did not believe it. And they have not implemented large-scale privatization, and state-owned enterprises, as it turns out, work effectively. And the tractor "Belarus", heavy-duty dump trucks, many other high-tech products are still being produced ... We have been introduced for so many years the idea of ​​looking at Belarus - there is a dictatorship, a falling economy, etc. And when they began to count now, they again wept: the average salary and pension in Belarus are twice as high as in Ukraine. Roads there in perfect condition. Gasoline is much cheaper than ours. Absolutely natural food, because Soviet standards are left that do not allow any impurities, palm oil ... Reforms must be carried out. But - thoughtfully, and not in the same way as ours, ”said Viktor Suslov.

And here is the program itself: part of 1, part of 2.

What else do you want to say? When there are no numbers and arguments, then they beat on emotions. If there are no arguments, if there are no statistics on the benefits of “European integration”, then you have to do just that. That is why in Kiev hung leaflets, where the Customs Union is represented as a kind of prison. Emotions, facts zero.

The inhabitants of Ukraine, and indeed all the inhabitants of the USSR, were simply deceived, telling that it was the evil visitors who ate all the food. And as soon as we break apart our Homeland, we all will live better. Two decades have passed - the lie of these statements is obvious.

Here is a leaflet that was distributed in Ukraine before the destruction of the Soviet Union. Again beat only by emotions.

It says that "we are blessing that no nevilna". And "shchob bugs bagatymy - Treba booty nezalezhnymy. I think that any of us will understand the Ukrainian language. And here we are all from each other "Nezalezhni." All became from each other "vilny." So what? Who got better from this? What people began to live better than at the time when we were One?

But geopolitical upheavals are just beginning. Only strong and large associations of nations and countries have a chance to survive them.

Otherwise it may be so.

Chernivtsi region of Ukraine will require Romania. This is because “bloody Stalin and bloody Lenin” took Bukovina and Bessarabia from “democratic” Romania. Which she took from the "collapsed Russian Empire" in 1918 year. By the way, Odessa was occupied by the Romanians during the Great Patriotic War, because in tsarist times, Odessa was the capital of the Bessarabian province. So the Romanians will require Odessa.

I think it’s not necessary to say who will demand Lviv and several other regions of Ukraine — Poland. After all, as an institution, Ukrainian historians are ready, with foaming at the mouth, to prove the illegality of the non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR, which they call the Covenant. If it is illegal, return Lviv to its rightful owner. And not only him. Well, the Crimea must be returned to Turkey, in the extreme case, to the Crimean Tatars. After all, the “bloody regime of Catherine the Great” completely illegally took away the Crimea from the vassals of the Turkish Sultan, and Stalin completely evicted them.

So I want to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared?

One with such wealth on the “big European road” ...

Do not lose that our grandfathers shared and multiplied?
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  1. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 August 2013 12: 47 New
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    Ukrainians obviously forgot that on their territory created "культурные и демократичные" европейцы . Страны думаю перечислять не стоит..?? У них менталитет другой они вас просто сожрут..
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 16 August 2013 13: 03 New
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      "Вот и хочется спросить украинскую политическую элиту: ребята, а вам не страшно?

      One with such wealth on the “big European road” ...

      Не потеряете, что деды наши общие создавали и приумножали?" - о чем вы автор, нынешние украинские "деятели" похожи на девиц легкого поведения, их абсолютно не волнуют чаяния рядовых граждан, волнуют только деньги и личное благополучие. А то что у Украины нет другого пути (если конечно не хотят экономической катастрофы) кроме как вступить в таможенный союз и четко ориентироваться в экономике на Россию и постсоветское пространство, они если и понимают то вида не подают, все же золотой телец для них ближе к телу.
    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 16 August 2013 13: 08 New
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      The thing is that the Ukrainians are somewhere half-dressed + merge extra. money options. A new generation has grown, I doubt that they know their real history, the subsequent result is corresponding. The situation is much more complicated than it seems at first glance.
      1. Kars
        Kars 16 August 2013 13: 13 New
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        in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.


        Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
        Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.
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        2. Corsair
          Corsair 16 August 2013 13: 44 New
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          Quote: Kars
          Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
          Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.


          По России "цифры" пожалуйста,остальные потрудитесь найти самостоятельно.

          And in addition:

          Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs Leonid Slutsky said that the difficulties with Ukrainian goods passing through Russian customs are largely caused simply by the bureaucracy since Ukraine is not a member of the Customs Union.

          Азаров связывает проблемы в торговых отношениях с Россией с образованием и структурированием Таможенного союза. "Сейчас есть определенные сложности, связанные, прежде всего, как мы считаем, с образованием, структурированием и формализацией Таможенного союза. У нас появляются отличия в подходах".

          Clickable Image:

          Plus a link to:"исходные макр.эконом. показатели для бюджета 2011 - 13гг"
          http://protown.ru/
        3. Andrey Skokovsky
          Andrey Skokovsky 16 August 2013 13: 57 New
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          Quote: Kars
          in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.


          Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
          Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.


          I do not understand the meaning of your ongoing disputes on the topic Russia-Ukraine

          for example, at the end of the 30’s, my father’s family was exiled from Ukraine to Siberia (Ukrainian Poles), my mother from the Far East
          Until the Soviet Union was destroyed, we traveled around the country in the summer: Kiev, Kislovodsk, Moscow, Svobodny, Blagoveshchensk, Arsenyev, Vladivostok.
          relatives constantly came to us in Krasnoyarsk.
          For me, a separate country of Ukraine never existed, Ukraine is just a part of my homeland where my relatives live today, and today already in Odessa and in the Krasnodar Territory, and I don’t understand why they should be abroad from me, why between us there should be a border, with what a fright ???
          And to be honest, on the drum, where will the capital of my country be in Kiev or Moscow, the main thing is that it be my one country, and not some euro-state that is alien to me. This is the main thing, everything else the ambitions of the rich elite transferred to you through the media, think what will be good for your descendants in 200 or 1000 years, for which they will thank you today.
          1. Kars
            Kars 16 August 2013 14: 47 New
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            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            I do not understand the meaning of your ongoing disputes on the topic Russia-Ukraine

            I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))
            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            This is the main, everything else, the ambitions of the rich elite transmitted to you through the media

            But do you mean that neo-imperial ambitions are not transferred? And your media are not paid or engaged.
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 15: 02 New
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              Quote: Kars
              I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))

              + 100500!!!
              Most interesting
              1. old man54
                old man54 17 August 2013 02: 30 New
                -7
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                Quote: Kars
                I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))

                + 100500!!!
                Most interesting

                politics, is it not clear? Create public opinion! This site has not been what it was for a long time. On the selection of articles take a look, one policy!
              2. dmitrich
                dmitrich 17 August 2013 05: 01 New
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                So read it if you are interested, otherwise everything is fine in your press.
            2. Drednout
              Drednout 16 August 2013 15: 02 New
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              Kars, well, we can’t even count the specks in our eyes, and articles are the usual bread of journalists. That's how people react - that's another question! In my hometown and not under Yeltsin, the aircraft factory was now irretrievably finished request and the degree of production degradation has only now started to decline a little. And then, thanks to the restoration of funding for the MO.
              1. Generalissimus
                Generalissimus 17 August 2013 05: 25 New
                +1
                http://glavcom.ua/articles/13255.html

                here in this article everything is very simple and accessible about Ukraine and the FTA.



                Well, at the end of the article, the forecast with which I agree:

                ... But the same Glazyev, when he arrives, talks about billions of profits from the vehicle, and not that Russia will set up a military base here.

                Yes, you never know what he says. At the beginning of the 20 century, Americans said that the economy is up to a million dollars, and all that is above is politics. Given inflation, now in this phrase you can change a million to a billion. When it comes to billions of dollars, what kind of economy? Ukraine is important to Russia both in the political and spiritual spheres. Maybe I’ll express myself too radically, but let Ukraine descend to Europe, where it will ruin the remnants of the high-tech industry. The thing will end with the fact that over time Ukrainian migrant workers will oust Tajiks from our streets - and thank God that culturally close people will sweep our streets.

                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 17 August 2013 05: 52 New
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                  Thanks for the comment and link.
                2. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 17 August 2013 07: 24 New
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                  Quote: Generalissimus
                  that culturally close people will sweep our streets.


                  Good idea good Ukrainians take a broom and start cleaning the streets
                  1. slas
                    slas 17 August 2013 09: 14 New
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                    Quote: I am a Russian
                    Good idea good Ukrainians take a broom and start cleaning the streets

                    Смотри чтоб древко от метлы не почувствовал сзади "любитель чистоты"
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 17 August 2013 13: 36 New
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                      Quote: slas
                      Смотри чтоб древко от метлы не почувствовал сзади "любитель чистоты"

                      Good advice, I culturally tried to explain to him, but the person does not understand from Ukraine, suggests stupidly plowing on a party of regions, and even supports the statement of Azarov belay >> традиционные украинские ценности = это стоять в позе с лопатой в огороде, а теперь с метлой.
            3. domokl
              domokl 17 August 2013 05: 45 New
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              Quote: Kars
              I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))

              And you read the previous comment. And the questions will be removed. The review publishes articles that are interesting to most readers.
              The USSR was a state where, for various reasons, residents moved throughout the territory. Young people went to construction sites, to work after college, to the army .. And there they started families, took root. And many Ukrainians (sorry Russians) have roots native to Ukraine. So they are interested in what will happen to their relatives, what will happen to the country, which is their small homeland.
              The same thing happens in Ukraine itself. Read the biography, for example, of the Klitschko brothers.
            4. F117
              F117 21 August 2013 22: 19 New
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              Что имеется ввиду под фразой "неоимперские амбиции" и к какой стране эта фраза применима?

              If the United States is meant, then everything is clear - the successor to colonial Britain. Like her parent, she managed to inherit in almost all countries of the world. He tries to rake the whole world under one comb with complete submission to Fashington.
              If Russia is meant, then here fool . Страна, не уничтожившая ни одного народа. Выдерживая постоянные нападки "сифилизованной" Европы, она показывала не раз всему миру, где находится истинное добро. На текущий момент единственная страна, противостоящая мировому терроризму.
        4. Corneli
          Corneli 16 August 2013 14: 03 New
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          Quote: Kars
          Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
          Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.

          What's the point? In the stupid substitution of concepts article, Goebbels rests:
          "Я неоднократно говорил и писал о том, что экономическая целесообразность, а также логика и здравый смысл говорят о необходимости вступления Украины в таможенный союз.
          And here's another one confirmation of this. The Association "Suppliers of the Customs Union" compared the production of the main types of products per capita in 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves..." - и каким боком сюда лепиться ТС? Он когда создан? Видимо уже 20 лет как, там все богатели, а мы и не в курсе request
          Тож самое и в "сравнении" с Беларусью... Не приватизированные заводы, хорошие дороги и проч. это год назад там появилось? Или это политика батьки без задолго до ТС была?
          P.S. As for the dad ... Just a couple of years ago, on this site there were a lot of articles about Lukashenko, and for some reason no one admired his genius, but vice versa ... But he criticized the TS in a box, but then silence ... but about Ukraine, 5-6 articles per day)
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 16 August 2013 14: 25 New
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            Quote: Corneli
            What's the point? The article is a stupid substitution of concepts, Goebbels resting

            Смысл в том чтобы САМОМУ вникнуть в "циферный расклад" и попытаться,вот именно ХОТЯ-БЫ попытаться вникнуть в то что Вам предлагают.
            Идти" вслепую" на поводу у политиков - много ума не надо,а анализ и взвешенный подход сделает Вам честь...
            1. Kars
              Kars 16 August 2013 14: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Corsair
              Смысл в том чтобы САМОМУ вникнуть в "циферный расклад" и попытаться,вот именно ХОТЯ-БЫ попытаться вникнуть в то что Вам предлагают.

              Well, in this article they do not offer anything and do not give a digital layout.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 16 August 2013 14: 59 New
                +5
                Quote: Kars
                Well, in this article they do not offer anything and do not give a digital layout.

                Я ВАМ ЛИЧНО предоставил "ЦИФИРЬ" look carefully at the comments !
                1. Kars
                  Kars 16 August 2013 15: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Я ВАМ ЛИЧНО предоставил "ЦИФИРЬ" смотрите внимательно комменты !

                  WHAT FOR?
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Плюс ссылка на :"исходные макр.эконом. показатели для бюджета 2011 - 13гг"


                  Quote: Kars
                  in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.

                  Let's RFSSR 1990 and RF 2010
                  Well, attach Ukraine --- once you are scattered in numbers. Then we will take into account the inflation index, the dollar and so on.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 16 August 2013 15: 16 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Kars
                    Let's RFSSR 1990 and RF 2010
                    Well, attach Ukraine --- once you are scattered in numbers. Then we will take into account the inflation index, the dollar and so on.


                    Украину без меня "прикладывайте",может что для Вас и прояснится.
                    And in general, the commercialism in the relations of fraternal peoples ... stop
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 16 August 2013 15: 19 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Corsair
                      Украину без меня "прикладывайте",может что для Вас и прояснится.

                      So why did you climb with numbers if you are not able to?
                      And in fact, the Russian Federation is especially proud of nothing.
                      1. Corsair
                        Corsair 16 August 2013 15: 47 New
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                        Quote: Kars
                        So why did you climb with numbers if you are not able to?
                        And in fact, the Russian Federation is especially proud of nothing.


                        And THIS is already the height of mentality! lol
                        Prepare for you, serve, and even chew.
                        Try to think on your own, in life does not interfere ...
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 16 August 2013 16: 06 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Try to think for yourself

                        Well, you couldn’t prove it by your example. And you turned out to be just an unfounded demogog.
                        Quote: Kars
                        in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.

                        Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
                        Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.


                        Like the author modestly did not give the required numbers,
                      3. Corsair
                        Corsair 16 August 2013 16: 33 New
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                        Quote: Kars
                        Like the author modestly did not give the required numbers,

                        Why are you fixated on 90x? What are the numbers you require?
                        In the yard of 2013, I give you real numbers on the basis of which (with some effort, of course) you can (and again if you wish) make a conclusion about the situation in the Russian economic and financial sphere. And in a similar way to correlate the result with the indicators of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus.

                        P \ S:
                        Well, you couldn’t prove it by your example. And you turned out to be just an unfounded demogog.


                        And this is not my example personally, but the result of the work of a large country ...
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 16 August 2013 16: 51 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Why are you fixated on 90x? What are the numbers you require?

                        I)))) are you kidding? This is the author of this article)))
                        Quote: Corsair
                        And this is not my example personally, but the result of the work of a large country ...

                        But are you sure that another equally large country will not show itself more efficiently? Everything is known in comparison.
                        Quote: Corsair
                        In the courtyard of 2013 I give you real numbers based on which

                        Well, you have oil, gas, so it is stupid to compare with Ukraine and Belarus.
                2. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 16 August 2013 19: 32 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Kars
                  And in fact, the Russian Federation is especially proud of nothing.
                  There is really nothing much to be proud of, but the fact is that although the increase in energy prices played a role in the growth of GDP, nevertheless it is not determining.
                3. dmitrich
                  dmitrich 17 August 2013 05: 06 New
                  -1
                  Russia is currently the fifth economy in the world, if you are interested.
        5. Misantrop
          Misantrop 17 August 2013 13: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Kars
          in this article they do not offer anything and do not give a digital layout.

          Do not give. Since any numbers will immediately be declared fraudulent not objective. They propose to search for these numbers by ourselves; there will still be more trust for independently found trusts
          1. Kars
            Kars 17 August 2013 13: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            Since any numbers will immediately be declared fraudulent not objective

            So is it possible to write from the very beginning that the author basically invented everything? The article is custom-made and, in principle, does not carry a semantic load except the TS is good, it’s good to join Russia, any other thoughts are bad.
      2. Corneli
        Corneli 16 August 2013 16: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Corsair
        Смысл в том чтобы САМОМУ вникнуть в "циферный расклад" и попытаться,вот именно ХОТЯ-БЫ попытаться вникнуть в то что Вам предлагают.
        Идти" вслепую" на поводу у политиков - много ума не надо,а анализ и взвешенный подход сделает Вам честь...

        Угу, я вижу как тут относяться и к "цифрам" и к "анализу"))) В моем посте НИ ЕДИНОГО СЛОВА БРЕХНИ!!! НИ ЕДИНОГО ПЕРЕКРУЧИВАНИЯ ФАКТОВ!!! Как результат "-7" от возмущенной общественности!) Эт называеться - ПРАВДА ГЛАЗКИ КОЛЕТ!
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 17 August 2013 03: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: Corneli
          Угу, я вижу как тут относяться и к "цифрам" и к "анализу"))) В моем посте НИ ЕДИНОГО СЛОВА БРЕХНИ!!! НИ ЕДИНОГО ПЕРЕКРУЧИВАНИЯ ФАКТОВ!!! Как результат "-7" от возмущенной общественности!) Эт называеться - ПРАВДА ГЛАЗКИ КОЛЕТ!

          ООО! уже "-20" ! Отличный результат! И главное никто сказать то ниче не может...просто минус!)
          1. Lomikus
            Lomikus 19 August 2013 10: 13 New
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            А шо стобой спорить ............ Ваш "анализ" belay and a penny is not worth it. The individualist and the capitalist think in small towns (I do not want to swear).
            First, blur the label, and then crumble under it.
            Have you served in the army !? Remember the principle of a broom. So in the current conditions (globalization, banking and financial institutions, multinational companies) small countries are not viable !!! They have no sovereignty! (If you don’t even understand this, then ... will reach through your legs)
            And this is not my desire and not yours, but the rules of the game of the EUROPEAN federations. Where have we all been trying to enter our minds since 90, or have tried to dunk us there (everyone decides for himself).
            Therefore, the Customs Union is an alternative to the European oligarchy and despotism, its identity, nationality, its roots. Nobody says that when you step in the TS there will be manna from heaven, it will be necessary to plow there and there (only the colonialists chew on it no matter what form they are: administrative, economic or banking), only in Europe you (Ukrainians) will be a European electorate a, i.e. in the vehicle proudly called AMI!
    3. albatross
      albatross 16 August 2013 17: 46 New
      +6
      Corneli UA Today, 14:03
      What's the point? In the stupid substitution of concepts article, Goebbels rests:

      Какая подмена-то? То, что в Беларуссии дороги отличные? Лично от украинца слышал: въезжаешь на границе с Беларуссией на дорогу и сразу чувствуешь себя человеком. Или не так? Врут всё про "Батьку"?
      And, Starikov generally well done, he is not a politician, a rare person.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 17 August 2013 01: 47 New
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        Quote: albatross
        Какая подмена-то? То, что в Беларуссии дороги отличные? Лично от украинца слышал: въезжаешь на границе с Беларуссией на дорогу и сразу чувствуешь себя человеком. Или не так? Врут всё про "Батьку"?
        And, Starikov generally well done, he is not a politician, a rare person.

        Коллега с деловой целью ездил из Ростовской обл в Донецкую обл. Украины и попросил посоветовать самую короткую дорогу(по дороге "туда" он заочно перемыл мне все кости laughing ).Прибыв на место товарищ "выпытывал" у принимающей стороны маршрут пусть длиннее но не такой "ушатаный",в ответ услышал сногсшибательный совет:
        "Какой дорогой приехали,такой и возвращайтесь. Остальные ЕЩЁ хуже! fellow "
      2. Corneli
        Corneli 17 August 2013 22: 24 New
        -2
        Quote: albatross
        Какая подмена-то? То, что в Беларуссии дороги отличные? Лично от украинца слышал: въезжаешь на границе с Беларуссией на дорогу и сразу чувствуешь себя человеком. Или не так? Врут всё про "Батьку"?

        Have you read the article? I will explain: substitution - не в том что "дороги хорошие", а том что это (и многое другое) прямо увязываеют с ТС и типо это ТС достижение. И подобной демагогией вся статья пропитанна. Но как я погляжу многим коментаторам либо задуматься лень, либо по умолчание "все хорошое" от ТС (и любая, даже косвенная критика истерику вызывает)
    4. Corneli
      Corneli 16 August 2013 17: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Corneli
      What's the point? In the stupid substitution of concepts article, Goebbels rests:

      A kind of poll! Do me a favor, everyone who put the cons, argue why?) Can I briefly) Well, either Goebbels really REALLY rests!
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 17 August 2013 13: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Corneli
        all who put the cons, argue why?) Can briefly)
        А тому, кто не минусовал, можно? Белоруссия национализмом переболела хоть и сильно, но не долго. Время Шушкевича, Гриба и т.п. На Украине этот процесс, к великому сожалению, принял хронический характер. И основная разница этих двух бывших республик в том, что в Белоруссии сейчас работать НЕ ЗАПАДЛО. Да и оплата труда более адекватная затраченным усилиям, позволяющая прожить, не подворовывая при этом. На Украине же подобный труженик, как минимум, выглядит туповатым неудачником. А производство, увы, стремительно деградирует. Тот же "Фиолент" уже несколько лет закупает в Китае роторы на свой инструмент, собственное производство утрачено. И это - завод, который являлся монополистом СССР по линейно-вращающимся трансформаторам (которые на пару порядков точнее и сложнее нынешней элементарщины). И такое - повсюду...
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 17 August 2013 22: 37 New
          -1
          Quote: Misantrop
          And to the one who did not minus, is it possible? Byelorussia became ill with nationalism, although not very long.

          Hmm ... As I understand it, in Ukraine, nationalism, laziness and degradation of production (generally agree). In Belarus, this is not there and everyone wants to work there (I also believe)
          Не понял только как вы это соотнесли с моей просьбой аргументации на тему минусов, к конктретному моему коментарию "о пропаганде"?
          Если в статье: "Что еще хочется сказать? Когда нет цифр и аргументов, тогда бьют по эмоциям. Если нет аргументов, если нет статистики преимущества «евроинтеграции»(только тут можна было ТС написать), приходится поступать именно так. Именно поэтому в Киеве развешивали листовки, где Таможенный союз представляется как некая тюрьма (Есть другие листовки: Где в ЕС одни извращенцы живут)). Эмоции, фактов ноль." Автор сам о своей же статье прямым текстом высказался именно что цифр ноль, одни эмоции, передергивание фактов, приведение "примеров" о достижениях абсолютно к ТС не относящихся (вроде деятельности Лукашенко в 90-2010гг). Собственно комент и написал на эту тему, минуса увидел, ответов-аргументов НЕТ! Вывод: написал правду, но она определенным людям не нравиться.
  2. SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 16 August 2013 15: 16 New
    0
    And this figure is about the same for everyone, they worked for the same collective farm, the USSR!
  3. family tree
    family tree 16 August 2013 16: 47 New
    +3
    Kars, bro, and you type in Shcherbitsky in Google? Kars, and if you knew that Koreyvo, from Kolomenskoye already 907g, this engine in France was patented. it's about the T-64. Kars, but not that in the Arch region, in the 80s, the whole forest went to Ukraine, which was cut down and loaded by Ukrainians. Incidentally, it is not a fact that they did it themselves. My brother-and-so-old brother, is still leading a master class in Belarus, for loading timber into the cars of the MPS. Kars, I have a brother with GSVG, and on the shelf is a model T-64 in chrome! He is a driver. He loves this machine and hates it. Will you understand?
    1. Kars
      Kars 16 August 2013 21: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: perepilka
      Kars, bro, and you type in Shcherbitsky in Google? Kars, and if you knew that Koreyvo, from Kolomenskoye already 907g, this engine in France was patented. it's about the T-64. Kars, but not that in the Arch region, in the 80s, the whole forest went to Ukraine, which was cut down and loaded by Ukrainians. Incidentally, it is not a fact that they did it themselves. My brother-and-so-old brother, is still leading a master class in Belarus, for loading timber into the cars of the MPS. Kars, I have a brother with GSVG, and on the shelf is a model T-64 in chrome! He is a driver. He loves this machine and hates it. Will you understand?


      I honestly didn’t understand everything. It’s too chaotic forest, Arkhangelsk, T-64, Belopus. The model is good.
      1. family tree
        family tree 16 August 2013 23: 08 New
        +4
        Kars, under the USSR, under Shcherbitsky, the industry of Ukraine grew 5 times, agricultural, 2 times. Forest, Arkhangelsk, in the 80s, in the Arch region, Ukrainians chopped wood, there weren’t enough of their forest cuts, chopped on the condition that all the wood they chopped went to those enterprises, where did they come, plus their salary, piecework, from working out, with all the north and district. There were Belarus, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Moldova. 10 percent, so here they stayed, But you know, there are more Ukrainians. Add a percentage of 2-3 captured Germans, Hungarians and other Swedes, this is the center and south of the Arch region. Now they are all Russian, because the northerners are the most beautiful, and the skuas are the most intelligent (natural selection, you can’t argue against nature, especially since lately, the 80s, in view of genetics, the corrupt girl of imperialism, have worked their best. laughing Kars, look at the territory, Arch region and Ukraine. Kars, we are occupying you, gently and affectionately; you won’t even notice how you will become Russia.
        Well, Belarus, we are already taking it slowly repeat
        1. Kars
          Kars 16 August 2013 23: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: perepilka
          Kars, during the USSR

          And where does the communist USSR, to the modern capitalist-oligarchic Russian Federation?
          Quote: perepilka
          Kars, look at the territory, Arch region and Ukraine

          Territories are one thing, the population is different, here you are watching the main thing for the Chinese.
          1. family tree
            family tree 16 August 2013 23: 30 New
            +5
            Quote: Kars
            And where does the communist USSR, to the modern capitalist-oligarchic Russian Federation?

            Kars, you know, with us, well, no difference

            Territories are one thing, the population is another, here you are the main thing for the Chinese

            Damn, these are gone what need to start, prolific say more people more quickly occupy laughing
            1. Kars
              Kars 17 August 2013 09: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: perepilka
              Kars, you know, with us, well, no difference

              You take a closer look.
        2. family tree
          family tree 17 August 2013 00: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: perepilka
          the northerners, the most beautiful, and the skirts, the smartest

          Oh! Scribe, as I laughed then, that's all, this is no longer pouring! I’ll go, I’ll cry for the barn, but I’ll shoot myself, crying
          1. family tree
            family tree 17 August 2013 01: 41 New
            +2
            Proudly coming out of the barn
            Sorry, missed, God's providence. Now I insist all the more that the northerners are the most beautiful, and the skuas are the smartest! Here! good
  4. 755962
    755962 16 August 2013 20: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    And you can similar data on the Russian Federation

    Bear Revival: 18 Signs Russia Swiftly Catching U.S.
    Under the leadership of Vladimir Putin, the gross domestic product (GDP) doubled, rising from 22-th place to 11-th largest in the world. Economy gains began to be an average of 7 percent per year (1999: 6,5 percent, 2000: 10 percent, 2001: 5,7 percent, 2002: 4,9 percent, 2003: 7,3 percent, 2004: 7,2 percent, 2005: 6,4 percent, 2006: 8,2 percent , 2007: 8,5 percent, 2008: 5,2 percent), making Russia a country with the sixth most developed economy in the world in terms of GDP. In 2007, Russia's GDP exceeded the corresponding figures of 1990 of the year, which meant overcoming the devastating effects of the nineties recession.

    During the eight years of Putin's rule, industry has grown by 75 percent, investment has increased by 125 percent, and levels of agricultural production and construction have increased. Cash incomes more than doubled, and the average salary increased eightfold, from 80 to 640 dollars. Between 2000 and 2006, consumer loans increased 45 times, and in the same time period, the middle class grew from 8 to 55 million, which is a sevenfold increase. The number of people living below the poverty line has decreased from 30 percent in 2000 to 14 percent in 2008.

    http://mixednews.ru/archives/39996
    1. Kars
      Kars 16 August 2013 21: 08 New
      +1
      I have already posted a chart of oil prices and GDP growth.
  5. dmitrich
    dmitrich 17 August 2013 05: 00 New
    -1
    Yes, no comparison with Ukraine.
  6. wow
    wow 17 August 2013 12: 28 New
    +2
    Не надо тут никаких "цифр" ! Есть у меня на работе пара горлопанов - незалэжникив, орали, орали : "... у россии ще гирше чем на нэньке ... ". Покажите мне, говорю им, хоть одного "заробитчанина" из России, Белоруссии или Казахстана у нас на "вильной та незалэжной" ! Что-то они быстро заткнулись. Ничего,кроме скорого и печального конца на украине не просматривается.
  • SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 16 August 2013 15: 13 New
    0
    This is without a doubt, if we manage to get 100 history books a little extra, then there, which is not a village, then your dad with his own history, there is only one hope that the Slavs and GEN will not give out ....
  • eplewke
    eplewke 16 August 2013 14: 23 New
    16
    Hold a referendum !!! Che torment people! Let the people choose! The government is simply afraid of the results of the referendum. After him, the path to the pederasts from the EU will close ...
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 16 August 2013 15: 05 New
      +7
      Quote: eplewke
      Hold a referendum !!! Che torment people! Let the people choose!

      Eugene, when did we especially hear the top people?
      1. eplewke
        eplewke 16 August 2013 16: 49 New
        +2
        I agree with you. But such a question should clearly be decided by the people. It's like choosing a constitution ...
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 17 August 2013 04: 03 New
      -1
      Quote: eplewke
      Hold a referendum !!! Che torment people! Let the people choose! The government is simply afraid of the results of the referendum. After him, the path to the pederasts from the EU will close ...

      Будет 50 на 50...Фифти-фифти,плюс минус 5%. На юго-востоке больше, на западе меньше.И чем дальше в лес,тем больше процент за объединение с Россией будет уменьшаться.Не можем мы ,,убеждать". С такими рычагами давления,как нефть и газ,с таким количеством лояльного к России населения...Да,еще Онищенко забыл.Небольшие страны с ним можно без единого выстрела взять.
    3. 755962
      755962 17 August 2013 18: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: eplewke
      Hold a referendum !!!

      Украина - не Исландия. Просто так "соскочить" с крючка мировых банков ей не дадут не по экономическим, ни по геополитическим причинам
      http://russian.rt.com/article/13996
  • KILLAvolt
    KILLAvolt 16 August 2013 14: 40 New
    +2
    ... Not otherwise, moths - fly to the bright alluring flame of a candle! And the result is obvious!
  • Vlad-32
    Vlad-32 16 August 2013 21: 46 New
    0
    They (the Ukrainian authorities) drove themselves into such a corner that no clearance was visible. It’s like in the sea. Where the wind is, there’s a boat. And they row there and know where to go. And here, apparently, they do not know. Where is the President?
  • atalef
    atalef 17 August 2013 10: 58 New
    -2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Украинцы явно подзабыли что на их территории творили "культурные и демократичные" европейцы

    The Russians seem to have forgotten the same thing, and that is probably why they are selling gas to Germany much cheaper than the Ukrainians brothers?
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 19 August 2013 08: 32 New
      0
      Write nonsense. Gas is sold to Ukrainians at a discount. And not higher than the German price. When you leave a comment, make sure of your legitimacy ...
  • a52333
    a52333 16 August 2013 12: 54 New
    16
    About the old men appeared. Thanks for the article +! But they will not hear. Silverfish stuck in the ears of Xnumx.
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 16 August 2013 13: 00 New
    21
    here frankly tired of (if not to say rudely) all this Ukrainian epic. As the saying goes: you won’t be forcibly sweet - even though it’s not our business to go to the EU. But our business is to protect our markets, which is now happening.
    1. dirty trick
      dirty trick 16 August 2013 13: 38 New
      20
      Quote: Ragnarek
      As the saying goes: you won’t be forcibly sweet - even though it’s not our business to go to the EU. But our business is to protect our markets, which is now happening.

      + dear !!! finally, our authorities are acting as they should! finally realized that in interstate relations, the country must first protect itself!
      by the way, pay attention - Europeans and Americans who did not try to prove to Ukrainians that they are their brothers are there at a premium! and without giving huge discounts on gas, but only driving Ukrainians into unrealistic debts!
      hence the conclusion - there is nothing to try to rely on the intelligence of the Ukrainian leadership, it is necessary to act according to long-established schemes:
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 16 August 2013 16: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: Ragnarek
      here frankly tired of (if not to say rudely) all this Ukrainian epic.

      It’s just that you probably don’t have relatives there.
      Therefore, all FSUs.
      Otherwise, how can you leave your relatives?
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 16: 52 New
        -10
        Quote: ATATA
        Otherwise, how can you leave your relatives?

        but relatives do not want to go to Russia?
        1. MG42
          MG42 17 August 2013 13: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: zmey_gadukin
          but relatives do not want to go to Russia?

          Вот это свидомая чисто позиция не согласен типа вали <<чемодан - вокзал - Россия>> только тут не та площадка чтобы такие лозунги двигать. Не нужно забывать сколько русскоязычных граждан на территории Украины проживает и сколько пророссийки настроеных.
  • Seraph
    Seraph 16 August 2013 13: 00 New
    17
    Residents of Ukraine, change your mind, return to us - we will forgive and embrace everything as a returning prodigal son! Only do not take Galicia with you, let him continue to eat pork feed in the west)
    1. atalef
      atalef 17 August 2013 11: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Seraphim
      Residents of Ukraine, change your mind, return to us - we will forgive and embrace everything as a returning prodigal son!

      Forgive, the prodigal son ..... Maybe that's why they do not want to come back.
  • avt
    avt 16 August 2013 13: 02 New
    +5
    Not a horse feed, it's all the voice of one crying in the desert, the reaction will be the opposite - only a European choice.
    1. Tykta
      Tykta 16 August 2013 13: 09 New
      +8
      yeah) stock up on popcorn, wait for the comments of Ukrainians) pure semantics of discourse to pee)))
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 16 August 2013 13: 35 New
        -15
        Quote: Tykta
        yeah) stock up on popcorn, wait for the comments of Ukrainians) pure semantics of discourse to pee)))

        And what kind of semantics can we talk about here?) Here they are only politics, the economy does not smell ...
        Как пример лозунги в стиле - "Если они (Украина) пойдут в ЕС их сразу разорят и торговать ТС с ними не будет..." Насчет разорят, вопрос спорный...разорять то что? А насчет торговли с ТС, а почему мы не сможем с ними торговать то? Если, например ,России нужны трубы а нам газ то без ЕС мы можем торговать (типо как щас), в ТС этими товарами нам будет торговать выгоднее, а в ЕС не сможем ?belay
        Russia is wonderfully trading with the same France, Germany, and for some reason there are fewer problems there than with Ukraine. So fairy tales do it all, but twist it ...
        P.S. I’m curious, are foreign (EU, China there) cargoes right now also with thousands of trucks and wagons at the border, like the Ukrainian ones? Or, in their attitude, the customs officers did not have a sudden brain collapse (and the excuses that the customs guys can’t read the new documents for several days and that’s why the zvezdozit is happening at the border .... I even xs what it looks like, such a mega-black PR trade )
        1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 16 August 2013 13: 59 New
          +7
          I read this article yesterday, where a forum member wrote about the following: Russian customs officers want to show in advance how it will be after the signing of the agreement between Ukraine and the EU! laughing
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 16 August 2013 15: 57 New
          +5
          Лично я за ТС с Украиной,но на нет, нет и суда!!!Самое страшное, что лихие хлопцы из еврейскосионистского нато стравят нас! Вам бы и по ТС и по нато референдум бы провести, только честный!!! И не забывать что европа,вся европа,все на гитлера работали,по разному, но работали!!И что "освободители" творили ВЕЗДЕ да и сейчас творят,в Сирии думаете инопланетяне "работают"-нет дело рук нато во главе с"главного друга" С,А,С,Ш,...так что от м.....ей привет,до побаченья...МЫ ВСЕ РУССКИЕ от слова РУСЬ..и Киевская то же,сначало РУСЬ
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 August 2013 11: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            ! The worst thing is that dashing lads from the Jewish Zionist NATO pit us!

            And here are the Jews? Was 2 weeks ago in St. Petersburg and Kiev (probably pitted peoples wassat ) I liked it both there and there. I don’t understand what difference does Ukraine choose the CU or the EU, what is it that hinders living in peace and harmony and trading? Doesn't Russia trade with the EU? Or is the EU the enemies of Russia? Well, Ukraine will choose the path to the EU - it is its right, why start these trade wars, customs, before this years of problems with gas. In many ways, Russia itself, as it were, would push Ukraine to the west .. What is the difference between Russia in general (I do not understand), Ukraine in the CU or the EU? It sells gas all over the world at world prices; it does not give any preferences in trade; in general, it is treated like with any other foreign state.
            The policy of recent days, such nonsense, from the EU or the same States also slow down goods? - NO, why are Ukrainian yes? Well, yes, if the worst option is for Ukraine to leave for the EU, so treat them like EU countries, sell gas to them (which means cheaper), do not slow down goods at customs, do not obsolete trade wars.
            In general, you won’t be forcibly sweet, but such behavior is simply ridiculous. As if the people are stupid (Ukrainian) and do not understand where the ears grow from. In addition to antogonism and anti-Russian sentiment, this will not cause anything. Russia gives cards to all anti-Russian forces in Ukraine. An elephant in a china shop is Russia's policy towards all CIS countries. In general, which of the 15 republics of the former Soviet Union is a true ally of Russia? Give an example? No one wondered why?
        3. ATATA
          ATATA 16 August 2013 16: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: Corneli
          Если они (Украина) пойдут в ЕС их сразу разорят и торговать ТС с ними не будет..." Насчет разорят, вопрос спорный...разорять то что? А насчет торговли с ТС, а почему мы не сможем с ними торговать то? Если, например ,России нужны трубы а нам газ то без ЕС мы можем торговать (типо как щас), в ТС этими товарами нам будет торговать выгоднее, а в ЕС не сможем ?

          Yes, from Russia, Russia will not buy your pipes!
          Don’t you understand that you will be in the camp of the enemy ?!
          Or do you still believe in a fair international partnership as a child?
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 16: 54 New
            -13
            Quote: ATATA
            Yes, from Russia, Russia will not buy your pipes!

            there are no principles in business - only money in business

            Quote: ATATA
            Don’t you understand that you will be in the camp of the enemy ?!

            who exactly is the enemy of Russia?


            Quote: ATATA
            still believe in international fair partnership?

            with your Onishchenko - no longer!
            1. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 16 August 2013 17: 18 New
              +2
              "Российское правительство не принимало решений по регулированию украинского импорта. Об этом сообщили в департаменте пресс-службы и информации правительства РФ."

              “This is a decision of the customs authorities, and at the level of the government of the Russian Federation, no decisions were made to regulate imports from Ukraine,” the government told RBC. At the same time, the Cabinet expressed concern about the situation at Russian customs, which "affects the trade and economic relations between the two countries." The Federal Customs Service (FCS) of the Russian Federation has not yet officially commented on what is happening.

              Moscow, August 16. Russia has a list of claims against Ukraine in the area of ​​consumer protection, but it’s wrong to consider it a trade war, said Gennady Onishchenko, head of the Rospotrebnadzor, chief state sanitary officer of Russia, Interfax reports.

              “We are doing professional work. We have a specific long list of claims in the field of consumer protection legislation, ”Onishchenko said.

              As the head of Rospotrebnadzor clarified, we are talking about the compliance of products with the requirements of the legislation on consumer protection, and compliance with quality.
            2. ATATA
              ATATA 17 August 2013 00: 39 New
              +3
              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              Quote: ATATA
              Yes, from Russia, Russia will not buy your pipes!

              there are no principles in business - only money in business

              Quote: ATATA
              Don’t you understand that you will be in the camp of the enemy ?!

              who exactly is the enemy of Russia?


              Quote: ATATA
              still believe in international fair partnership?

              with your Onishchenko - no longer!

              Sorry, but your naivety borders on stupidity. Well, probably for this and all in the cons.
              Litter if that.
              1. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 17 August 2013 13: 39 New
                -1
                and you listen to propaganda less)))
                Of course it’s easier to accuse a person of stupidity than to strain the brain and try to answer at least one question. Yes, Comrade Atat?
            3. dmitrich
              dmitrich 17 August 2013 05: 12 New
              0
              The flag is in your hands.
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 16 August 2013 17: 10 New
            -1
            Quote: ATATA
            Yes, from Russia, Russia will not buy your pipes!

            Right! Russia will buy pipes from Germany or France, maybe 3 times more expensive, well, nothing, the first time you went? And Gays here will not become a problem) The main Schaub is not in Ukraine)
            Quote: ATATA
            Don’t you understand that you will be in the camp of the enemy ?!

            Аж НИ КАПЕЛЬКИ!!! Не мешает России торговать со странами НАТО или "Гейропы" если России это выгодно! Более того, еще и ХВАЛИТЬСЯ о товарообороте! request
            Quote: ATATA
            Or do you still believe in a fair international partnership as a child?

            Канечно не верю! Кто сильнее-тот и квач! Захотели "Гейропейцы" пересмотреть цены на газ - ня - цены в контрактах сниженны! Захотели реприватизировать купленные россиянами компании - ня! реприхватизировали! и Россия это спокойненько проглотила и рапортует о увеличении партнерствао с Гейропой!) А на Украину мона надавить, попресовать, что и делаеться(и "братство" или "долги" тут не причем). Вот вам банальная ПРАВДА, можете попытаться ее оспорить)
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 17 August 2013 13: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Corneli
              Russia will buy pipes from Germany or France, maybe 3 times more expensive, well, nothing, the first time you went? And Gays here will not become a problem) The main Schaub is not in Ukraine)

              Maybe we recall the story of the purchase of fuel assemblies at Ukrainian nuclear power plants? We got rubbish from Westinghouse at a crazy price, just not from the Russian Federation ...

              А покупка аккумуляторной батареи для ДПЛ "Запорожье"? Так ведь и сгнила на пирсе...
        4. Moon
          Moon 16 August 2013 19: 18 New
          +6
          Corneli

          why can't we trade with them?

          Why can't you? You can, but according to the rules for all, and not as it is now a simplified customs passage and duty free.

          If, for example, Russia needs pipes

          Not needed, Pinchuk has already been given a turn from the goal for the second half of the year.

          Russia is wonderfully trading with the same France, Germany, and for some reason there are fewer problems there than with Ukraine.

          Because Russia does not require any preferences.

          the fact is that absolutely all products of Ukraine in the documents of the European Union are in the list of risky goods. Therefore, when Russia included the same products in a similar list, it merely repeated the practice of the EU. Paradoxical as it may sound, Moscow created huge problems for Ukraine in trade by simply moving to the civilized European rules of cooperation. A complete transshipment of all products to warehouses in terminals is carried out, product samples are taken, some of them are sent to laboratories in Moscow.

          However, Kiev does not express any concern in front of Brussels on this issue - it silently carries out all the necessary official regulations.

          http://svpressa.ru/society/article/72646/
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 17 August 2013 03: 22 New
            -2
            Quote: Luna
            Why can't you? You can, but according to the rules for all, and not as it is now a simplified customs passage and duty free.

            Благодарю за ответ, а если не секрет, для бывших стран СССР (Армения, Азербайджан, Узбекистан, Киргистан, Таджикистан, Туркменистан), то есть стран вроде не "враждебных", но и не входящих в ТС такие же правила?
            П.С. И почему "проблемы" при вьезде через границу ТС возникли только в России?) А в Белоруси нет! Батька саботирует договора?)
        5. maxvet
          maxvet 17 August 2013 22: 13 New
          0
          there were American legs, Argentinean and Polish beef, only rabbit can be imported from China, etc.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 16 August 2013 13: 12 New
    +9
    We are waiting for November (or when will the agreement be signed there?), Then we count down the year and read what the European integrators and their sympathizers think about it in Ukraine (sorry I didn’t want to offend, it is written in Russian in Ukraine). Only after all this will we no longer need the desert. Only accept refugees.
  • Jet blackbird
    Jet blackbird 16 August 2013 13: 14 New
    -4
    С одной стороны вступление Украины в ТС - это сохранение её техносферы и шанс на её перспективу , с реальным увеличением "рабочих мест" и инфраструктуры . Лично я в экономической составляющей - "ЗА" )) С другой стороны - государства ТС , это авторитарные , не правовые , унижающие жизнь "простого" человека....монархии в которых напрочь отсутствует законность. Возможно , что "подписание договора о ЗСТ с ЕС" - даст возможность подтянуться Украине к европейским правовым стандартам...и сама власть будет постоянно находиться под "прессом" , со стороны ЕС в соблюдении демократической законности и это очень важно. Но общая ситуация - очень противоречива...по причине отсутствия в Украине и России "внятных" политиков , какие бы ставили интересы своих стран "превыше всего" и смогли бы "договориться" а не "петлять языком" всякую дурь.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 16 August 2013 16: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      С одной стороны вступление Украины в ТС - это сохранение её техносферы и шанс на её перспективу , с реальным увеличением "рабочих мест" и инфраструктуры .

      Surround dear!
      It’s already clear to everyone that so far the territory VUKRAINEN independent, you can’t throw in investments there.
      Is that not clear?
      1. Jet blackbird
        Jet blackbird 16 August 2013 16: 43 New
        +2
        Дело не в "самостийности" , дело в соблюдении законности , инвестиционном климате и политической стабильности. Если бы у руля Украины - находились адекватные люди - ситуация в государстве была бы иной ))
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 17 August 2013 13: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Jet blackbird
          If at the helm of Ukraine there were adequate people ...
          ... then it would be called differently ... request
      2. Corneli
        Corneli 17 August 2013 03: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: ATATA
        Surround dear!
        It is already clear to everyone that while VUKRAINEN territory is independent, investments cannot be thrown in there.
        Is that not clear?

        Дорогой! Будьте так любезны, поясните этот ваш особо одаренный термин : "VUKRAINEN"? Где вы его, умник, откопали (на поисковике нету такого слова)? А если это лично ваш фашистский загон, так какого его тут можна употреблять?
    2. Rosomaha67
      Rosomaha67 16 August 2013 17: 01 New
      +1
      .....правильно нечего таким "простым" людям, как "чёрная птица", делать среди наших "тоталитарных" государств, вперёд в Свободную Европу, глядишь ещё нас уму-разуму научите.....
    3. M. Peter
      M. Peter 16 August 2013 17: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      С другой стороны - государства ТС , это авторитарные , не правовые , унижающие жизнь "простого" человека....монархии

      Have you come to totalitarianism for a long time?
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 16 August 2013 22: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      и сама власть будет постоянно находиться под "прессом" , со стороны ЕС в соблюдении демократической законности и это очень важно.

      So far, the people will suffer and the entire economy of Ukraine. And until the power comes ....
      Пока что по предложениям ЕС для подписания ассоциации нужно поменять ж/д пути. Это сколько будет стоить? А вот компания Шелл уже признала, что сланцевый газ у нас добывать нерентабельно (а сколько они земли разворотили и перепортили источников воды!!!), но теперь требует возместить ей ущерб.Ну как же! Они ж средства затратили на исследования - и пшик получился! А у Украины денег нет! Так ей уже предложили вместо компенсации заняться разработкой наших газовых залежей. Но и тут "прикол". Этой компании наши трубы не подходят - только европейские подавай! И это мы еще не подписали ассоциацию!
    5. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 17 August 2013 04: 18 New
      +1
      Aren't you funny yourself? Bees against honey))) Yanukovych for democracy wassat
  • Raptor75
    Raptor75 16 August 2013 13: 18 New
    +9
    Yes, let them fall on all four sides. no need to persuade them. They won’t go anywhere; they will crawl back. Only a conversation with them will be completely different. If there is no mind ...
    1. Jet blackbird
      Jet blackbird 16 August 2013 13: 25 New
      +7
      Откуда у украинских властных бандитов "ум" ? Они ведь в большинстве "криминальные элементы" )) - за них "думает" их шкурный интерес , который контролируется спецслужбами "самого демократического государства в Галактике"
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 16 August 2013 14: 07 New
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        Quote: Jet blackbird
        Откуда у украинских властных бандитов "ум" ? Они ведь в большинстве "криминальные элементы" )) - за них "думает" их шкурный интерес , который контролируется спецслужбами "самого демократического государства в Галактике"


        Настольная книга "Властителя Вселенной"...
      2. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 17 August 2013 07: 52 New
        -2
        Quote: Jet blackbird
        Откуда у украинских властных бандитов "ум" ?


        What kind of people - such and boyars request
  • polly
    polly 16 August 2013 13: 24 New
    22
    Brothers Ukrainians! Do not believe the sweet-voiced European sirens with a shark face!
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 16 August 2013 14: 26 New
      +5
      haha !!! Well, a photo. Photoshop for them as a gift!
    2. Anatolich
      Anatolich 16 August 2013 17: 03 New
      +4
      This is the real face of imperialism, pooh on him
    3. phantom359
      phantom359 16 August 2013 23: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: polly
      Brothers Ukrainians! Do not believe the sweet-voiced European sirens with a shark face!

      Yes, no one believes them. For most (with whom I spoke) Russians are the most reliable allies. For the western 50 to 50, well, wuyki from time immemorial foolishly toiled.
  • Straus_zloy
    Straus_zloy 16 August 2013 13: 33 New
    28
    Let them go for two reasons.

    1.Если удерживать, то потом будет сказано, что "клятые мoскали" не дали Украине нормально развиться и обрести свое счастье.
    В 90х это уже было, на Украине утверждали, что кормят Россию. Разъединение расставило всё по местам.Теперь дорогие украинцы могут брать "самостийность", мазать на нее "незалежнисть" и так хавать. Любая интеграция с Россией должа была быть сознательным выбором, а не под давлением извне.

    2.Должна быть какая-то страна, на примере которой люди смогут сказать "как хорошо, что я живу в России" или "как хорошо, что моя страна в союзе с Россией"
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 16 August 2013 13: 34 New
    12
    Двигателем этого вашего Европейского Союза,является Германия,все остальные повисли у немцев на крючке и никогда уже не слезут,все эти Франции,Италии,Испании....Польши,Румынии...все они уже можно сказать вошли в состав Рейха,да это другой Рейх,но все же,там уже все давно просчитано и разложено по полочкам,захотят немцы и Испания опустится в УГ,захотят немцы в УГ опустится какая-нибудь Чехия,а теперь в этот дом стучится нищий оборванец,и просит его впустить,над ним ржет и потешается весь мир,но он все равно смиренно сидит у порога и просит его впустить,конечно может иногда из дома выходит "Немецкий господин" и сует нищему сапог для поцелуя,нищий бросается и вылизывает сапог для своего господина,и господин со словами "Гут,словянский свинья,гут!" бросает в грязь объедки и смеясь уходит,а нищий бросается в грязь за своей подачкой,после чего возвращается на свое место и начинает причитать заново:"Впустите меня пожалуйста!".Какая страна сдесь выступает в качестве просителя я думаю всем понятно.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 16 August 2013 13: 48 New
      -20
      Quote: Standard Oil
      а теперь в этот дом стучится нищий оборванец,и просит его впустить,над ним ржет и потешается весь мир,но он все равно смиренно сидит у порога и просит его впустить,конечно может иногда из дома выходит "Немецкий господин" и сует нищему сапог для поцелуя,нищий бросается и вылизывает сапог для своего господина,и господин со словами "Гут,словянский свинья,гут!" бросает в грязь объедки и смеясь уходит,а нищий бросается в грязь за своей подачкой,после чего возвращается на свое место и начинает причитать заново:"Впустите меня пожалуйста!".Какая страна сдесь выступает в качестве просителя я думаю всем понятно.

      Да, да, мы смиренные и тупые "нищие оборванцы" все всё поняли. Спасибо, что дали ненадолго припасть к светочу Вашей мудрости, таким недалеким малоросам what
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 16 August 2013 14: 02 New
        +9
        Quote: Corneli
        Thank you for letting us briefly fall to the light of your wisdom, so small-minded

        Пользуйтесь,пока есть время,скоро и его не будет,я думал,что ниже стране уже падать некуда,но оказывается можно прошибить пол и улететь дальше.Конечно правда никому не нравится,но теперь и обвинить "проклятых русских,не дающих Украине нормально жить" не получится.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 16 August 2013 14: 12 New
          -9
          Quote: Standard Oil
          Пользуйтесь,пока есть время,скоро и его не будет,я думал,что ниже стране уже падать некуда,но оказывается можно прошибить пол и улететь дальше.Конечно правда никому не нравится,но теперь и обвинить "проклятых русских,не дающих Украине нормально жить" не получится.

          Ну...всегда ж можна зайти на этот сайт как минимум и почитать подобные "премудрости")
        2. max702
          max702 16 August 2013 14: 57 New
          18
          Да, разговаривал с одним незалежным украинцем по этому поводу, спрашивал уйдут м.а.с.кали придут либо польские паны либо германские "герры" Так ? Так! , то той вольницы что щас в самостийной не будет, не будет не украинского языка не культуры.. ничего определяющего национальность украинец не будет, не сразу но лет за 5-10 точно, сначала латиница потом юридический и технический язык,и все о культуре родной забудьте, а уж про отношение к местному населению панов и бюргеров пусть поинтересуются у старшего поколения кое кто еще жив и помнит.Это говорю ему ты со мной сидишь и пиво спокойно пьешь, а с немцем будешь стоять и картуз в руках мять слова на немецком подбирая и преданно в глаза глядючи.. Обиделся он на меня почему то...
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 16 August 2013 14: 48 New
        15
        That zeal worthy of another use, with which your fellow countrymen advocated an uncluttered appearance, is comparable to that ass in which the Ukrainian economy is located. Therefore, some members of the forum slips a bit of gloat over your street and tribune screamers, who are following the lead of Western democracy. For them, Ukraine is an instrument (one of the instruments) and no more, with the help of which one can somehow annoy Russia.
      3. Corneli
        Corneli 16 August 2013 17: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Corneli
        Да, да, мы смиренные и тупые "нищие оборванцы" все всё поняли. Спасибо, что дали ненадолго припасть к светочу Вашей мудрости, таким недалеким малоросам what

        + 6 - коментатору обозвавшему украинцев "нищими оборванцами" вылизывающему сапог "Немецкому господину".
        -12 - to me, for the fact that it is very modest! commented out!))))
        What other questions can there be?)
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 17 August 2013 04: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Corneli
          Quote: Corneli
          Да, да, мы смиренные и тупые "нищие оборванцы" все всё поняли. Спасибо, что дали ненадолго припасть к светочу Вашей мудрости, таким недалеким малоросам what

          + 6 - коментатору обозвавшему украинцев "нищими оборванцами" вылизывающему сапог "Немецкому господину".
          -12 - to me, for the fact that it is very modest! commented out!))))
          What other questions can there be?)

          If you want pluses, then agree ... And more Ur! Hooray! Hooray! Your point of view does not coincide with the opinion of the absolute majority. It’s just that someone makes good arguments and tries to analyze, and someone is stupidly rude.
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 17 August 2013 07: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            and someone is stupidly rude.


            20 лет деградации... "оставили свой след"
  • Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 16 August 2013 13: 36 New
    11
    Ukraine has already killed its sugar industry and partially processing industry by joining the WTO under bonded conditions. The EU will finish what is left. And it will be years through 10 Ukraine like Poland to buy used weapons in the EU.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 16 August 2013 13: 39 New
    19
    Распад Советского Союза и Россию не усилил, Украина лишь меньший слепок проблем распада, с большей долей политических спекуляций. В остальном, украинские власть имущие, близнецы и братья олигархов из России. Спасибо Белоруссии и лично Лукашенко, не будь Батьки, с его маленьким социализмом, не видать бы нам и союзной Беларуси, с сохранившимся сельским хозяйством и промышленностью. Клювом не надо щёлкать, за Украину надо было давно и серьёзно бороться, вплоть до финансирования нужной партии и подкупа продажной верхушки, и искренней борьбы за умы простых людей, в большинстве своём симпатизирующих России. Как так, Украина, - историческая сердцевина Руси, русской державности, начало и центр русского православия, а мы позволили всяким проходимцам убедить коренных русских, что они не русские? Всякая шваль, "генномодифицированная" Польшей, и прочими "доброжелателями", ухитрилась оболгать историю, выветрить память, набрать силу... Развели "укропов", а при желании, придумают и "коноплей" в эволюции Украины. Киев, - древняя столица Руси, туда она и должна вернуться при объединении русских земель, и это объдинение стоит того, чтобы мы за него серьёзно боролись, а не пускали всё на самотёк, отдавая инициативу врагам возрождения сильной России.
  • Fedych
    Fedych 16 August 2013 13: 49 New
    -15
    SW Nikolay! - But are you not afraid of the level of knowledge and understanding of you and Fedorov-supporting? Do you somehow enlighten your co-supporters, admonish, justify? And it turns out that M. Gorbachev dragged along a bunch of headless aunts and men, and now you too. What is your difference? - these from Nashintsy in Estonia have inherited both very disgustingly and wretchedly, the shame and shame of Russia! (About the bronze night). You and Fedorov are asked questions from the crowd !: - this is the squalor of thought, experience and reason. This stewed fruit can come to Estonia tomorrow to strangle us, to crush us and to lower us to zero. Not all of us need this here. Neither mind, nor experience, nor dragging from a stool to a bench is visible to them. And we! (Some of us) - both for Russia, and for Russians, and other citizens of Russia who understand its spirit, meaning and purpose. But they are these, the spirit, the meaning and the goal! - supra-Russian, supranational and superficially religious! (Orthodoxy, as truth and the Spirit, is higher than the so-called Russian understanding from the crowd of faith and knowledge and experience and purely Russian and other Russian Orthodox people) . Russian, Rusich, Russian, both on the territory of Russia and in Eicumen, is more than a nation, a language, and an outwardly understood faith that sometimes slides into paganism and old Judaism. This is new and new. And on this basis, neither the Baltic states, nor Central Asia, nor the Caucasian republics should be afraid of forced, unchristian Russification. If you are Orthodox? —Kindly know and respect all our local customs, traditions and faith. DO NOT impose our vodka on the Muslims! - poison us for our income. Well, everything else is as follows.
    1. evgenm55
      evgenm55 16 August 2013 14: 50 New
      +4
      Well ... you bent .... Maybe you need to heal?
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 17 August 2013 04: 36 New
      0
      In how what Theme is not wrong? Yes, if we did, but in time we brought manure to the fields ... Eh, what crops we collected ...
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 16 August 2013 13: 51 New
    +4
    I would like to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared? One with such wealth on the "big European road" ...

    Да не "разбойников с большой дороги" нужно бояться с таким богатством...Их и в родной стране ...и в у "сестрички" вполне достаточно!...
    The departure to Europe will be perceived differently in different parts of UKRAINE! At the same time, the points of view and arguments are so polar, extreme and tough that no compromise is foreseen!
    При этом западным областям, где поборников "евроинтеграции" больше, терять нечего...у них остались только рабочие руки. Предприятия в основном стали...лес вырубили и вывезли... сырья маловато..
    Другое дело восточная и южная часть страны, дающие больше в "общий котёл" дохода государства больше чем 2 раза в сравнении с западными областями. Вряд ли, более-менее экономически развитый ВОСТОК И ЮГ УКРАИНЫ согласятся на то, что их отдадут "западенцы" со Львова на закланье экономике Европы. А это так и будет! Номенклатуру товаров, которые будут конкурентноспособны на западе и по качеству.. и по цене -- можно на пальцах пересчитать... а дорога на рынок России будет закрыт! Значит итог для многих производств будет печален.
    It is this inappropriateness that can lead to the most terrible and major disaster - BREAKING ... DECAY OF UKRAINE !!! This will be a disaster ... so a disaster!
    You will involuntarily exclaim: are you not afraid?
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 16 August 2013 14: 02 New
    +3
    A YELLOW-BLACK FLAG FLIES OVER AN INDEPENDENT UKRAINE!

    "Православный философ А.Ф. Лосев утверждал: «Символ есть зримое выражение идеи». Неужели флаг дивизии СС «Галичина», что поднят над Юго-Западным краем России, есть олицетворение независимой Украины?"

    Surely, unfortunately - YES ...
    THEREFORE SO THEY ARE SUCH ....
    1. Fedych
      Fedych 16 August 2013 14: 27 New
      +1
      We do not simplify A.F. Losev to the level of a can and its contents. This is about different things. Yet, either, at the end of the 19th century, or, at the beginning of the 20th, on St. Mount Athos, among the monasteries there was a rule - do not put the economy of maloros (unspoken). So it is today! - Ukrainian, in the context and experience of the Russian-Russian Power, this is one thing. But he, in Ukraine, is different. It concerns everyone! - and everywhere
    2. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 16 August 2013 17: 32 New
      +4
      Since August 12, as reported in the FRU, the list of risky goods includes goods imported into Russia by more than 40 Ukrainian companies. Among them were PJSC "Ukrnafta", as well as a number of enterprises of businessman Dmitry Firtash, metallurgical, chemical and engineering companies, wrote the local press. Now all Ukrainian importers are on this list.

      The FRU sent a letter to the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov with a request at the intergovernmental level to convince the Russian leadership to resolve problems at Russian customs and to pass Ukrainian goods, as before.
      The Russian government said that at the cabinet level, orders to tighten import controls were not given.

      Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Viktor Yanukovych during a telephone conversation discussed issues related to customs clearance of goods at the border of the two countries.

      THINK, POLICIES OF NON-GRAVING UKRAINE. HINT SPECIFIC. JOIN THE EU - get the EU goods. And why do we need them in the TS? So there will be a dropout .... Nothing, you will get used to it if you don’t get your mind for the remaining time ....
  • serioga
    serioga 16 August 2013 14: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: polly
    Brothers Ukrainians! Do not believe the sweet-voiced European sirens with a shark face!

    Really shark muzzle. and you can add: reptilian mindset
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 14: 03 New
    -17
    Стариков - придворный "историк" кремля...а теперь уже и в агитаторы подался...пичаль (
  • Makarov
    Makarov 16 August 2013 14: 06 New
    0
    everyone is scared ... tomorrow we are scared tomorrow, and then the conditions are set for what needs to be done to avoid this ... goals are set. Today in Ukraine there is no single goal, but it’s still scary, because they cannot come up with other arguments ... the system is imprisoned for this fear ... and this is a question of attitude towards life in general ... here is a person (author) looking at it through this system, but ... there is such: “Whenever they say:“ Life is a difficult test, ”I want to ask:“ Compared to what? ” (c) (Sidney Harris).
  • zemlyak
    zemlyak 16 August 2013 14: 06 New
    +4
    Quote: Kars
    in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.


    Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
    Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.
    Kazakhstan to the level of 1991 can’t get out, the pipe only saves
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 16 August 2013 14: 08 New
    +7
    Quote: Corneli
    Quote: Tykta
    yeah) stock up on popcorn, wait for the comments of Ukrainians) pure semantics of discourse to pee)))

    And what kind of semantics can we talk about here?) Here they are only politics, the economy does not smell ...
    Как пример лозунги в стиле - "Если они (Украина) пойдут в ЕС их сразу разорят и торговать ТС с ними не будет..." Насчет разорят, вопрос спорный...разорять то что? А насчет торговли с ТС, а почему мы не сможем с ними торговать то? Если, например ,России нужны трубы а нам газ то без ЕС мы можем торговать (типо как щас), в ТС этими товарами нам будет торговать выгоднее, а в ЕС не сможем ?belay
    Russia is wonderfully trading with the same France, Germany, and for some reason there are fewer problems there than with Ukraine. So fairy tales do it all, but twist it ...
    P.S. I’m curious, are foreign (EU, China there) cargoes right now also with thousands of trucks and wagons at the border, like the Ukrainian ones? Or, in their attitude, the customs officers did not have a sudden brain collapse (and the excuses that the customs guys can’t read the new documents for several days and that’s why the zvezdozit is happening at the border .... I even xs what it looks like, such a mega-black PR trade )

    and to you (in your person to all Ukrainians) my dear Ukrainian friend Russia owes nothing. As we consider it necessary, we do so. As they say, live richly and for a long time, but the relationship is only in terms of benefits for ours and yours.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 16 August 2013 14: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Ragnarek
      and to you (in your person to all Ukrainians) my dear Ukrainian friend Russia owes nothing. As we consider it necessary, we do so. As they say, live richly and for a long time, but the relationship is only in terms of benefits for ours and yours.

      Прерогатива говорить о "долгах" онли Российская), где вы там вычитали, что б я долгах говорил?) А насчет "российских выгод" от подобных шагов...Не задумывались, что те украинские товары, гниющие и ржавеющие на границе зачем то заказывали и собирались купить в России? А раз они не приехали, то что то позже построиться, меньше продастся и соответственно граждане России понесут убытки (не получат прибыль). но главное ж пыль в глаза пустить.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 14: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Corneli
        Russian citizens will suffer losses

        I said yesterday that everyone will suffer losses. But the broad Russian soul, believes that these losses are a drop in the bucket.
        Interestingly, does any of such commentators have their own business, tied to deliveries from Ukraine?
        1. a52333
          a52333 16 August 2013 14: 52 New
          +6
          Yes, we are waiting for delivery. If we do not wait, we will buy accessories in China. Let's assemble it yourself. No problem.
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 14: 57 New
            -2
            Quote: a52333
            If you do not wait, buy in China.

            Is China better? Cheaper? In deferment?
            I'm not foolish, just interesting.
            For a long time he worked with Russian counterparts simply.
            1. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 16 August 2013 17: 37 New
              +3
              “The earth is round, and who runs after whom is not yet known!” M. Zhvanetsky
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 16 August 2013 17: 18 New
            0
            Quote: a52333
            Yes, we are waiting for delivery. If we do not wait, we will buy accessories in China. Let's assemble it yourself. No problem.

            Этож наверно как выгодно! Не дождаться поставок на ровном месте, заключить новый контракт хз с кем! И ждать.... Ну а то что уже у вас сорветься ваш контракт 9из-за тупого простоя) ну дык это норм! Главное Украину "нагнули"
  • Vtel
    Vtel 16 August 2013 14: 22 New
    11
    So not the topic.

    “Sema, this is a paradox!” When I lived in the USSR, Jews were to blame for everything. Then I lived in Russia, and again the Jews were to blame.
    “Well, where is the paradox, Monya?”
    “You didn’t finish listening, Sema!” Now I live in Israel. And you know who is to blame for everything ?!

    "Если проблему можно решить за деньги, то это не проблема, это расходы".
    Jewish wisdom.

    - Rabinovich, what do you think is stronger: knowledge or feeling?
    - Feeling!
    - Why not?
    “I know that I owe Dodik a five-house, but I feel ... I will not give it up.”

    - Дедушка, дедушка, а я сегодня в графе "Национальность" написал шо
    I am Russian!
    - Granddaughters, how much did you get pocket money every day in school?
    - stolnik grandfather!
    - Here, and now you will receive a rupe., Like all Russian children

    A Jew pulls a goldfish out of the sea.
    Fish looks at him suspiciously.
    - Jew?
    - Yes.
    - Better fry ...
    1. alone
      alone 16 August 2013 15: 25 New
      +5
      in addition to your jokes))

      a Jew caught a goldfish. a fish said to him: “Speak quickly of your two desires, I’m in a hurry. Hebrew, I need a Tel Aviv-New York. Fish bridge: why do you need this bridge.” let's consider the second desire! - Well then, make sure that we are not considered Jews mean. the fish looked at the Jew and answered him: -so, what bridge did you want? cable or simple?
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 16 August 2013 14: 35 New
    12
    I am sincerely sorry to lose the brothers. I am very sorry for the inevitable and irrevocable omission of the human potential of Ukraine.
    Integration into the EU market implies cutting out ANY of its production: intellectual, agricultural, industrial, etc. This process will lead to the degradation of higher specialized education and science. There will be the same state of clerks, waiters and prostitutes, so in the countries of Eastern Europe.
    But, strange, honestly, our struggle for unity with Ukraine looks like. She doesn’t need it. Inside her there are no forces capable of looking at least a quarter century ahead.
    So, you need to get used to the fact that this is not a fraternal state, but with a fraternal people request It’s hard how ...
    Тянуть ситуацию засчет России - нафиг надо. Только им цену набивать и дезориентировать. Похоже, из искренного "Ребята, а вам не страшно?", они видят только расчет и корысть.
    Take a walk, brothers. Gather your mind, live as you want.
    With tough calculation and self-interest, you will very quickly get to know on the opposite side of a strange world.
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 16 August 2013 14: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Corneli
    Quote: Ragnarek
    and to you (in your person to all Ukrainians) my dear Ukrainian friend Russia owes nothing. As we consider it necessary, we do so. As they say, live richly and for a long time, but the relationship is only in terms of benefits for ours and yours.

    Прерогатива говорить о "долгах" онли Российская), где вы там вычитали, что б я долгах говорил?) А насчет "российских выгод" от подобных шагов...Не задумывались, что те украинские товары, гниющие и ржавеющие на границе зачем то заказывали и собирались купить в России? А раз они не приехали, то что то позже построиться, меньше продастся и соответственно граждане России понесут убытки (не получат прибыль). но главное ж пыль в глаза пустить.

    Here read what and why at customs http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_27351/
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 16 August 2013 17: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Ragnarek
      Here read what and why at customs http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_27351/

      I read, a beautiful manipulation of words), for example corny, this:
      "Итак, украинская сторона твёрдо намерена подписать договор об ассоциации с Европейским союзом. А это означает автоматическое закрытие евразийских рынков." - С какого перепуга?! Россия торгует (и рапортует об увеличении торговли с теми же странами ЕС, аж бегом). А тут бац! и как отрезало!)
      Думать, может, начнете сами? А не "уря-рапортовать"!
      П.С. Вот Вы, умные Российские коментаторы, так болеющие за украинских братьев-родственников(это был не сарказам! наши олигархи тут не причем). Подумайте, прикиньте...в Украине вроде все плохо, но наше правительство (олигархи) рапуртает о "покращенни". А терь, пару неадекватных (хотя вы может их и правильными считаете, у вас свои олигархи) шагов и вуаля! Есть супер отмаза - все было норм, но неадекватный Кремль все испоганил на ровном месте (и попробуй поспорь, после таких номеров!) Предполагаемый результат - усиление негатива в сторону России (АБСОЛЮТНО ЛОГИЧНОЕ, на фоне таких детских выходок) приближение к "добрым дядям" из ЕС! И это то, что будут думать обычные украинцы, а не олигархи (у них свои и нтересы и им на население ...)
      В качестве примера: "кого по вашему будут винить 1 к сокращенных работников "Рошен" 1. Своего хозяина, олигарха Порошенко ?
      2. Россию - правительство которой, в угоду своей политике, "забраковало" к себе поставки по высосанной из пальца проблемы?
      А если, на таких "умных" ходах Российского правительства еще и умело играть(а вам думаю известны "заокеанские спецы")...то вот и будете "иметь, то что имеете" в негативном смысле этого слова.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 16 August 2013 23: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Corneli
        А это означает автоматическое закрытие евразийских рынков." - С какого перепуга?!

        Так ведь это в ЕС уже предупредили, что тогда - никакой торговли "налево", то бишь с РФ. ТОЛЬКО с ЕС!
  • slaventi
    slaventi 16 August 2013 14: 52 New
    +4
    Who needs Lviv and several other regions of Ukraine, I think, there’s no need to speak - Poland. After all, Ukrainian historians, as established ones, are ready with foam at the mouth to prove the illegality of the Non-aggression Treaty between Germany and the USSR, which they call the Pact. Since it’s illegal, return Lviv to its rightful owner.
    Галичина это раковая опухоль если не отрезать погибнет весь организм.России и Украине все равно быть вместе,без "бендеровцев"было бы лучше.
  • saag
    saag 16 August 2013 14: 52 New
    +4
    I suppose that after the signing of the association agreement, the migration of Ukrainian enterprises to Russia will be planned, if possible, otherwise the EU will close the technical regulations, this will be a loss of business for someone
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 15: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: saag
      migration of Ukrainian enterprises to Russia

      Probably.
      Politics by politics, and business will agree.
  • saag
    saag 16 August 2013 15: 04 New
    +2
    In my opinion, Boguslaev already has a plant in Russia :-)
    1. Fastblast
      Fastblast 16 August 2013 16: 41 New
      +2
      And Poroshenko also
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 16 August 2013 15: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: Kars
    I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))

    Приведу высказывание нашего "заклятого друга", мне кажется в полной мере отвечает на Ваш вопрос:"Невозможно переусердствовать, подчеркивая, что без Украины Россия перестает быть империей, с Украиной же... Россия автоматически становится империей». И два года назад он высказался по той же теме: «Если Украина не выстоит, Россия снова превратится в империю»."- no comments

    see http: //newsland.com/news/detail/id/809035/
    1. Kars
      Kars 16 August 2013 15: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      emphasizing that without Ukraine Russia ceases to be an empire

      C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and the Mighty cannot do without Ukraine)))
      Would leave us alone.
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 16 August 2013 17: 47 New
        +4
        The actions of our customs officers on the Russian-Ukrainian border indicate that they decided to see where we have the most significant shortfalls in imports and plug these very holes. It seems that this is an attempt to solve the problem of filling the Russian budget.

        Ущерб будет зависеть от масштабов проблемы. Если эта история затянется и превратится в очереди на пропускных пунктах, то это будет скандалом. Ситуация будет быстро исправлена. Если очереди нарастать не будут (например, таможенники перебросят на границу дополнительные силы), то контроль на границе станет более качественным. Какая-то часть "серого" импорта станет "белым" или начнет путешествовать через Белоруссию.

        It is impossible to imagine that we will stop importing from Ukraine. Yes, and lengthy customs inspection - this does not mean the suspension of imports. This is just an increase in time loss.

        Крик, поднятый на Украине, возможно, связан с тем, что кто-то занимался "серым" импортом и теперь опасается, что более жесткий контроль прекратит этот выгодный бизнес".
      2. avt
        avt 17 August 2013 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and the Mighty cannot do without Ukraine)))
        Would leave us alone.

        Это к Бзежинскому в америку .На счет покоя ,ну вот ,оставляют ,уже завет ЕБН - встал утром и думай ,что ты сделал для Украины ,снят . ВВП вот в духе Евросоюза прислал вам таможенный ,,месеж" ,в смысле показал как будет отделять мух от котлет .Так что все нормально ,без истерик в духе - бизнес и ничего личного ,причем предупредил не раз перед этим .Но это опять воспринимается как ущемление незалежности ,ну тут уже ничего не поделаешь - клиника .
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 16 August 2013 15: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Valery Neon

      Приведу высказывание нашего "заклятого друга", мне кажется в полной мере отвечает на Ваш вопрос:"It is impossible to overdo it, emphasizing that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, с Украиной же... Россия автоматически становится империей». И два года назад он высказался по той же теме: «Если Украина не выстоит, Россия снова превратится в империю»."- no comments

      Observing the events of recent years, I begin to establish myself in the thought that the well-known Mr. simply threw in the virus so that we could fight it and defeat it, spending time and resources on the unthinkable.
      Russia will not be an empire. She will be a regional Power. At first love
      With or without Ukraine.
      Brzezinski, in his statement, pulls the blanket too far on the axis: America-Europe-Russia. IMHO, this is very strange. I would consider my Russia as a hub between the Asia-Pacific and the Old World.
      There will be Ukraine in the Old World, or it will be part of the Hub - the Russian Federation, the second thing.
      This is not a strategic objective.
      What Brzezinski does and says, the old fox is a sabotage designed to divert time and resources to the secondary.
  • georg737577
    georg737577 16 August 2013 15: 09 New
    14
    1:Думаю украинской "элите" бояться следует собственного народа. Рано или поздно - но реакция будет.
    2:То же касается и всех других стран бывшего СССР, "элиты" которых в большинстве состоят из непойманных преступников.
    3: Each country must go its own way of becoming; Naturally, on this path there will be very difficult moments, both political and economic. Ukraine is now experiencing just such a situation.
    4:Ни ЕС,ни ТС не помогут стране избавиться от паразитирующих "псевдоэлит", а замена одних бандитов на других ничего принципиально не меняет. Ни Россия ,ни Евросоюз свободы и процветания Украине дать не могут,ибо сами ее не имеют.
    Conclusion: until the people wake up and understand that they must take power into their own hands, no economic and political unions will save them from the position of slaves of the oligarchy. I understand that this process will take a lot of time, and the struggle will not be bloodless. But I see no other way.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 15: 50 New
      +3
      nothing to add ... just +
  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 16 August 2013 15: 15 New
    +7
    to drive all Bendera to Lviv and Lviv region to give to Poland. Crimea of ​​Russia - for ours is rightfully. Romanians cookie. And what will remain and will be free Ukraine. Then peace and grace will come in Ukraine, because there will be no contradictions.

    In general, what is easily given is appreciated. It so happened from time immemorial that the lands must be conquered. But modern Ukraine got everything for free. That's why they lead like that.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 16 August 2013 15: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and Mighty cannot do without Ukraine))

    This is Brzezinski’s opinion, and not complexes of anyone’s, but you can’t call him a fool. hi
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 16 August 2013 15: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neon

      This is Brzezinski’s opinion, and not complexes of anyone’s, but you can’t call him a fool. hi

      Information campaign strategists (leaders of special propaganda), as a rule, are not fools repeat
      Look at the Brzez with this TZ love
      1. Kars
        Kars 16 August 2013 16: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: BigRiver
        Look at Brzez with this tz

        Well, when it’s profitable to look on the one hand, when it is not profitable on the other, it’s just charming.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 16 August 2013 16: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          Quote: BigRiver
          Look at Brzez with this tz

          Well, when it’s profitable to look on the one hand, when it is not profitable on the other, it’s just charming.

          As a professional in my industry, I evaluate an adversary according to my qualifications.
          Judging by your opinion, you are either young or vicious by calling.
          On the subject of profitability - you have to go to the market of Kiev and Moscow. And there carefully study the QUESTION.
          I do not navigate there.
          There will be questions for the rest - please!
          Ches word, you upset me. It was thought that a person studying WAR acquires a lot of related knowledge.
          1. Kars
            Kars 16 August 2013 16: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: BigRiver
            Judging by your opinion, you are either young or vicious by calling

            You can look at it from the side that suits you.
            Quote: BigRiver
            this you have to go to the market of Kiev and Moscow. And there carefully study the QUESTION.

            Is Brzezinski selling there, piece by piece or by weight?
            1. Bigriver
              Bigriver 16 August 2013 17: 04 New
              +6
              Quote: Kars

              Is Brzezinski selling there, piece by piece or by weight?

              Kars, are you heading for self-deception?
              Why are you stupid with the Russian language? Does it promote you as a person?
              Okay, do not want respect for yourself, to hell with you!
              Now about Brzez fellow
              In my humble opinion, this POLYAK wants to play a cool game - the Slavs are against themselves.
              Для этого, придуман тезис, взятый с неба, насчет того, что: "Россия без Украины - НЕ Империя".
              If you take a sober look at the situation ... Such a ruling loads Ukraine with a nonexistent value, and Russia - an impossible task.
              Right? IMHO, super !!!
              1. Kars
                Kars 16 August 2013 17: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: BigRiver
                Kars, are you heading for self-deception?

                Of course
                Quote: BigRiver
                Okay, do not want respect for yourself, to hell with you!

                Why do I need it? Respect for unfamiliar people?
                Quote: BigRiver
                Для этого, придуман тезис, взятый с неба, насчет того, что: "Россия без Украины - НЕ Империя".

                Quote: Kars
                C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and the Mighty cannot do without Ukraine)))
                Would leave us alone.
                1. Bigriver
                  Bigriver 16 August 2013 17: 35 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  Quote: BigRiver
                  Kars, are you heading for self-deception?

                  Of course
                  Quote: BigRiver
                  Okay, do not want respect for yourself, to hell with you!

                  Why do I need it? Respect for unfamiliar people?
                  Quote: BigRiver
                  Для этого, придуман тезис, взятый с неба, насчет того, что: "Россия без Украины - НЕ Империя".

                  Quote: Kars
                  C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and the Mighty cannot do without Ukraine)))
                  Would leave us alone.
                  .
                  Это был разговор "братьев".
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 16 August 2013 20: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: BigRiver
                    Это был разговор "братьев"

                    Neighbors
  • Essenger
    Essenger 16 August 2013 15: 42 New
    +4
    Я немножко хочу поговорить по поводу ТС и торговых войн. Как мы знаем россияне начали торговую войну против украинцев и нас "пригласили" поучаствовать в этом, естественно на стороне россиян. Речь идет о конфетах "Рошен", который по подсчетам занимает 20 процентов кондитерского рынка в КЗ. В Казахстане украинцев любят, уважают и считают братским народом. Но не знаю взаимно это или нет))) Так вот, мы отказались участвовать в этом. Теперь оказалось Онищенко что-то "нашел" в казахских соках, торговая война начинается уже против нас. Это может кончиться выходом Казахстана из ТС.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 15: 51 New
      +1
      Seriously??? Suddenly...
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 16 August 2013 15: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: zmey_gadukin
        Seriously???

        Yes
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 16: 19 New
          0
          Here you have an ally ...
          It is strange, why then was the fence in the garden? And sing about the prospects of the Russian-Kazakh partnership.
    2. dmitrich
      dmitrich 17 August 2013 05: 16 New
      +1
      Zadolbali, It turns out that Russia offends everyone and Ukraine and Kazakhstan and the Baltic states and the United States and Geyrop.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 17 August 2013 13: 41 New
        0
        for the Baltic states, usa, geyropov was there a conversation?
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  • 12345
    12345 16 August 2013 16: 02 New
    +3
    I would like to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared? One with such wealth ...


    А, кто вам сказал, что они - "одни"? Наивныя...

    У НИХ - много "хороших друзей" в Израиле. Как раз тех, кто дал в своё время денег на покупку этих самых "мест в элите". Там же уже заготовлено и гражданство.

    Так, что, не извольте беспокоиться: украинское "богатство" - в "надёжных руках". Кое-кто имеет на этом "хороший гешефт". Как говорят в Одессе: "Было ваше - стало наше!"
    Ждём очередной прогулки компании "в белых хитонах" из "украинской элиты" по синайской пустыне, по "святым местам", "тропой Моисея".

    По аналогии известной прогулки тем же маршрутом в тех же нарядах "российской элиты".
  • MG42
    MG42 16 August 2013 16: 10 New
    +7
    Вчера уже писал на эту тему что политика самостийности невозможна из-за слабости, и была сама по себе ошибкой, все страны вокруг Украины объединяются, или в ЕС или в ТС >>> Евроазс. Украина стоит на месте и увязла в кризисе ещё с 2008 года нет прироста в экономике.
    So it should be determined soon.
    Independence is beneficial only to the top Ukrainian and oligarchs to enrich themselves and simultaneously increase the enormous stratification of the population. Someone is retiring 1000 UAH, and someone is registering 1 million UAH. legal income per month and is not shy .. Especially with dividends, which until recently have not been taxed ..
    The minimum pension in Ukraine from January 1, 2013 will be equal to 894 UAH. This was reported by the press service of the Pension Fund of Ukraine.

    Those. $ 111 At the same time, a pensioner will not live on utilities and buy just that money, but it is unrealistic to buy clothes unless he can afford a second-hand.
    Such a large stratification in theory can only lead to social upheaval and revolution, not just an orange quiet and controlled, but with blood and burning Lexuses and broken windows of expensive boutiques ..

    A country that is not in unions only receives duties on its hump ..
  • taseka
    taseka 16 August 2013 16: 23 New
    +3
    Мда! Грустно однако за соседей, славян! А вот тут - "Ну а Крым нужно вернуть Турции, в крайнем случае – крымским татарам." Было бы правильно России вернуть то, что Тов. Хрущёв набедокурил!
    1. MG42
      MG42 16 August 2013 16: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: taseka
      Hm! Sad however, for the neighbors, the Slavs!

      Here you also need to emphasize that we are not talking about joining the EU at all. They don’t see Ukraine there, they can’t digest their last expansion at the expense of Romania and Bulgaria .. Croatia really entered this year and that’s all ..
      An association agreement exists, for example, Turkey has several. decades ago, but the EU does not shine ..
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 17 August 2013 03: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: MG42
        Here you also need to emphasize that we are not talking about joining the EU at all. Ukraine is not seen there


        So there’s a normal bargaining, stuffing up the price.
        And only the West benefits from this ...
        1. MG42
          MG42 17 August 2013 13: 59 New
          +2
          Wait and see .. autumn is just around the corner there everything will become clear ..

          Ukraine should develop the production of high-quality agricultural products with higher added value. This was told by the president of the American-Ukrainian Business Council (USUBC) Morgan Williams, according to Latifundist.com.

          Ukraine has already exported 22,4 million tons of grain

          Today, he says, the need for global food safety is growing in the world, because the population is growing, the production of biofuels.

          "Все это означает, что люди будут покупать больше высококачественного продовольствия. Поэтому обеспечение безопасности продовольствия – это очень важно", — констатирует американский эксперт.

          Will Ukraine be able to position itself so as to become a world leader in the agricultural sector? This is the main question today that they want to hear the answer from the Ukrainian government in the world, the president of the American-Ukrainian Business Council emphasizes. In his opinion, Ukraine can seriously answer this challenge. Moreover, the world is ready to buy a Ukrainian product.

          "Недавно в США сказали, что готовы покупать по высокой цене все, что производится в Украине. И Украина может приложить серьезные усилия, чтобы не допустить дефицит продукции на мировом рынке", — говорит он.

          However, what exactly to deliver is also important, the president of the American-Ukrainian Business Council places particular emphasis.

          "Традиционно Украина является продовольственной корзиной мира, поставляя на внешние рынки зерно. Однако, я не думаю, что для Украины это будущее. Украина может и должна экспортировать разные виды продовольствия с более высокой добавленной стоимостью. Будущее Украины – экспорт продовольствия высококачественного", — подытожил Морган Вильямс.

          http://ubr.ua/market/agricultural-market/-gotovy-pokupat-po-vysokoi-cene-vse-cht

          o-proizvoditsia-v-kraine-233525
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 18 August 2013 05: 32 New
            0
            Quote: MG42
            Wait and see .. autumn is just around the corner there everything will become clear ..

            "Бойся Данайцев,дары приносящих"...
  • MG42
    MG42 16 August 2013 16: 25 New
    +9
    It is bad, of course, that such decisions are held without an all-Ukrainian referendum, then I think there would be fewer questions .. But they themselves reached it when already from Moscow and from Brussels ambiguous ultimatum statements began to be heard.
    But our prime minister clown allegedly does not hear everything and recently spoke out that we will sign an agreement with the EU, and at the same time we will be observers and in good relations with the CU .. As the saying goes fabulous .... lol
  • Leon779
    Leon779 16 August 2013 16: 27 New
    +3
    и господин со словами "Гут,словянский свинья,гут!" бросает в грязь объедки и смеясь уходит,а нищий бросается в грязь за своей подачкой,после чего возвращается на свое место и начинает причитать заново:"Впустите меня пожалуйста!".Какая страна сдесь выступает в качестве просителя я думаю всем понятно.

    Oh fu, how beautifully written stop
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 16 August 2013 18: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Leon779
      Oh fu, it's not beautifully written stop

      Everything is beautiful there ... there are many advantages)
  • michajlo
    michajlo 16 August 2013 16: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: BigRiver
    I am sincerely sorry to lose the brothers. I am very sorry for the inevitable and irrevocable omission of the human potential of Ukraine.
    Integration into the EU market implies cutting out ANY of its production: intellectual, agricultural, industrial, etc. This process will lead to the degradation of higher specialized education and science. There will be the same state of clerks, waiters and prostitutes, so in the countries of Eastern Europe.
    But, strange, honestly, our struggle for unity with Ukraine looks like. She doesn’t need it. Inside her there are no forces capable of looking at least a quarter century ahead.
    So, you need to get used to the fact that this is not a fraternal state, but with a fraternal people request It’s hard how ...
    Тянуть ситуацию засчет России - нафиг надо. Только им цену набивать и дезориентировать. Похоже, из искренного "Ребята, а вам не страшно?", они видят только расчет и корысть.
    Take a walk, brothers. Gather your mind, live as you want.
    With tough calculation and self-interest, you will very quickly get to know on the opposite side of a strange world.

    Добрый день уважаемый "BigRiver"! Полностью с вами согласен. good Not understanding the real situation and not looking forward, they believe in sweet promises and beautiful fairy-tale palaces for ALL EU citizens without exception.
    But after touching reality, Ukrainian citizens will realize that European Palaces exist, but only for the respected founding citizens of the EU. Citizens of the new East European countries could only be in them as servants and in shift work.

    Тех пар десятков "украинских сынов народа" (олигархов, продажных пан-европских политиков) там тоже смогут временно побыть, но лишь пока будут исправно делиться деньгами со "старшими"/рукододяшими паханами а политики будут иметь какою-то полит. популярность.
    А "красивые законы" из Еропейского судного двора будут работать на лишь на тех, у кого будет хотя бы минимум 60-100 тыс.евро на адвокатов в Брюселе, другими словами, опять же ТОЛЬКО для состсятельных и хорошо обеспеченных людей (1-2%).
    The poor and the poor, without complaining, will be forced to crawl into the kennels ...

    On the other hand, the patriots of the Union donated to naive citizens of Ukraine, the benefits of living together in the Customs Union,
    пока доверчивые "щирі українці" не упадут аж на самое дно "выгребной ямы Запада", теперешние дружеские советы из России, Беларуси, Казахстана - они не поймут.
    Как горовит старая украинская пословица "за одного битого, двох небитих дають"!?

    Я лично опасаюсь лишь одного, как бы после начала и в самом процессе вхождения Украины в ЕС (это может быть от 2-х до 6-лет), моя родная Украина не узнала "кавказкую тропу", т.е. не распалась бы на разные мелкие куски, поскольку "западных щирих друзів"(Польша, Венгрия,Словакия, Румыния, Турция), она имеет в достатке.
    But in this case only an exact definition comes to mind / Ukrainian.
    "Поки грім не вдарить, дурний не перехреститься"! fool

    Так что в случае если на Украине само "осознание и просветление" придут с опозданием, то и сил а и кровушки простых граждан понадобится намного больше,
    for the final turn of Ukraine to fraternal Slavic peoples, i.e. Russia and Belarus.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 16 August 2013 18: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: michajlo

      Добрый день уважаемый "BigRiver"..

      Good day! hi
      It seems that in Ukraine there is no such optimism.
      Everything goes to the fact that they want to feel SEPARATE people.
      I'm right, Kars?
  • Martar
    Martar 16 August 2013 16: 30 New
    +4
    As soon as Ukraine enters the EU, they will start pumping up arms and a neo-fascist ideology, younger generations will nurture this, and will crowd the majority of the sane population with a mass grown on slogans and hatred for their own kind. The template by which Ukraine is being reformed is already there and tested, this is the template of Serbia. The tools and mechanisms may be different, but the essence is the same, the more pieces a country breaks up, the harder it will be to assemble afterwards and the weaker each piece individually will be - this is a fact, we all have seen this for ourselves.
    Люди, смотрите шире на происходящее в мире, задача Западной цивилизации отрезать доступ России к черному и средиземному морю (под Россией я имею ввиду не Российскую Федерацию, а территорию, заселенную славянскими народами). Кто в это не верит, откройте политическую карту и посмотрите, по каким странам и по каким территориям прокатились войны и разделения за последние 20 лет, где какие конфликты и противостояния одних стран\народов другим, и вы увидите, что сжимается кольцо вокруг России. Явно прослеживается цепочка: Тунис - Египет - Ливия - Сирия - Иран - Россия - Китай - Индия (Индия - Китай), если выключить Украину сейчас, то звено "Россия" будет разбить гораздо легче. Кстати, не за долго до начала "арабской весны" было очень много криков со стороны украинских радикалов и попыток избавиться от российской базы ВМФ в Севастополе, это не получилось. Это одна из причин того, что ВМФ США не успели нарастить свою группировку в средиземном море для поддержки сирийских мятежников и вывели свои корабли оттуда.
    Finally open your eyes, look at what is happening around you not because of your fence, but from a bird's eye view, become free not in deeds, but free mind and you will see and understand everything, there is nothing hidden, everything is on the surface, you just need to find the strength in itself to drop something philistine and petty in itself, to rise above it and look around itself without the prisms of stereotypes, labels and conventions imposed on us by those who want to dictate to everyone how to live and what to do, for whom there is no difference between Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Chechens, Dagestanis, Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc.
  • Serafim1983
    Serafim1983 16 August 2013 16: 31 New
    +4
    Lawlessness is created by agents of influence, to them pkh.y national interests. Ukraine is likely to be fragmented due to the internal crisis and the decline in living standards, only then Russia and Belarus will be able to help the fraternal people .... The bitter fate of our brothers ....
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 16 August 2013 16: 35 New
    +7
    Quote: eplewke
    haha !!! Well, a photo. Photoshop for them as a gift!

    This is after photoshop.
    Before him it was even worse.
    And the place of Ukraine in the European chicken coop will be lower than the lower pole.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 17 August 2013 03: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Ulysses
      Quote: eplewke
      haha !!! Well, a photo. Photoshop for them as a gift!

      This is after photoshop.
      Before him it was even worse.
      And the place of Ukraine in the European chicken coop will be lower than the lower pole.


      Полноценный курятник:"Залезть повыше,клюнуть ближнего,обгадить нижнего!" (+)
  • S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 16 August 2013 16: 36 New
    +4
    I look and am moved by this picture. Russian losers teach the life of Ukrainian losers! And the situation in their countries does not depend on those and on others, they gave all the people's wealth to the oligarchs, they allowed the merchants to power, they sit naked and they point fingers at each other!
    I would like to ask Comrade Starikova - can we begin to restore order from our country? Or is it scary with her? You can also get the teeth from the authorities, but in Ukraine you can bark without fear.
    And so Ukrainian bastards bark at Russia, and Russian at Ukraine. a kind of verbal anonism, there is a movement, but the result is 0.
    1. Fastblast
      Fastblast 16 August 2013 16: 52 New
      +5
      read, read comments, wanted to write something, reply ...
      and at the end right to the bull's eye!

      nothing to add)
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 16 August 2013 16: 58 New
      0
      Quote: S_mirnov
      I would like to ask Comrade Starikova - can we begin to restore order from our country?

      я там выше писал, что Стариков - придворный "историк" кремля...не будет он такого писать, ибо не велено...
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 16 August 2013 19: 40 New
        -1
        Of course it won't! It was a rhetorical question. wink
    3. Su-9
      Su-9 17 August 2013 02: 34 New
      +1
      S_mirnov, you answered exactly as I wanted. +
  • egsp
    egsp 16 August 2013 16: 47 New
    +1
    Поддерживаю, пусть почитают К.Маркса. "Капитал"- труд больше экономический, чем политический, однако там все очень хорошо расписано: от первоначального накопления капитала до олигархического капитализма(концерны, тресты и т.д.). У нас в России все тоже самое, только в отличии от Украины есть стабильность. Имею в виду политическую, да и экономически мы тоже стабильны - на том же месте.
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 16 August 2013 16: 59 New
    +8
    Recently, by chance, I had a chance to chat with young guys from Ukraine. I bring their main points:
    -Russian since the time of Peter I and Catherine destroyed Ukraine;
    -Russian Stalin and Russian Jews staged genocide and famine;
    -Russian forced to fight with the Germans, but it was necessary to negotiate and now would live as in Germany;
    -Russian in Soviet times traveled around Ukraine;
    -Russians now do not want to go around Ukraine;
    -Russian in Russia are Tatars and Ugrians;
    -Russian are Ukrainians.
    The brain was poisoned, it wasn’t funny.
  • slaventi
    slaventi 16 August 2013 17: 00 New
    +5
    I would like to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared? One with such wealth on the “big European road” ... Do not lose that our grandfathers shared and multiplied?

    Russia and Ukraine are not independent states. The political elites of the countries are more or less controlled by the amers of their vassals. In order not to lose what our grandfathers created, we need to restore the sovereignty of Russia. Then the process of reunification of the state, Ukraine and Russia in particular will be launched. If this will not happen, Ukraine will collapse. Part will go to Poland, part of Romania, Crimea will be the second of Kosovo.
  • family tree
    family tree 16 August 2013 17: 08 New
    +8
    It seems so. They won’t think it over. There are those who are with Russia. There are those with prosrat. Gain strength, take it. All. Three countries to gather, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia in ONE, and you can dictate to everyone, even China. Butsku president, intelligence prime minister.
  • nod739
    nod739 16 August 2013 17: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: Kars
    And can similar data on the Russian Federation, Belarus


    I’m not talking about gas / oil ... but about metal smelting, a few years ago they said in boxes that in Russia they crossed the level of 90th or 91th ...
    ... Rosstat website is full of information
    1. Kars
      Kars 16 August 2013 20: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: nod739
      I’m not talking about gas / oil ... but about metal smelting, several years ago they said in boxes that in Russia they crossed the level of 90th or 91

      Just a few years ago?
      Ukraine in June rose from tenth to eighth place among the world's largest steel producers. Steel production last month amounted to 3,060 million tons, which is almost 8% more than in June 2012.

      I don’t know how much it was in 1990
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 16 August 2013 17: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    .

    Heard and documented.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 16 August 2013 17: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    Is China better? Cheaper?

    But you will not believe it is better. Something I have not heard about Ukrainian components for computer technology, Ukrainian lasers and Ukrainian permanent magnets. But the Chinese are some of the best in the world. You already eat your pipes for main gas pipelines. But China will soon, with its pipes, go out (and already go out) to the whole world. Quality - not to compare with Harziz. Although I have a sin to complain about him. Your holey pipe feeds me well.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 17 August 2013 22: 17 New
      0
      hmm, so what?
      Well, if it’s better, then buy it.
      free will, not only Russia needs pipes