“Guys, aren't you scared?”

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I would like to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared? One with such wealth on the “big European road” ... Do not lose that our grandfathers shared and multiplied?

I have repeatedly said and wrote that economic expediency, as well as logic and common sense, indicate the need for Ukraine to join the Customs Union.

And here is another confirmation of this. In the Association of Suppliers of the Customs Union compared the indicators of the production of main products per capita in 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the “independent” Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.

As we see, even in 90, before the collapse of the Union, in not the best times for the economy, Ukrainian industry had far better results than now, in the era of “European integration”. It also provides data on Belarus, which is part of the Customs Union. This country is much inferior to Ukraine in its territory and population. However, production figures in Belarus are much better than Ukrainian ones. As they say, feel the difference ...

Unfortunately, it is not yet for everyone in the leadership of Ukraine that the need for closest integration in the post-Soviet space is obvious. But the good news is that there are people in power in Ukraine who do not need to explain common truths. People who want to see their country strong and prosperous.

Our Ukrainian colleagues from the “Financial Accent” project on “First Business Channel” invited Viktor Suslov to the studio. In the past, he - Minister of Economy, and more recently, a representative of the Government of Ukraine in the Eurasian Economic Commission.

I recommend to watch this program. The conversation turned out quite interesting. I will cite a few quotes.

V. Suslov is convinced that Eurasian integration is much more profitable for Ukraine economically, because “within the framework of the former Soviet Union, someone likes it or not, but quite powerful cooperative ties have been developed. First of all, in industry, in high-tech industries ... And by themselves, these connections are, of course, worth hundreds of billions of dollars. You just can’t refuse it. ” He notes that the space industry, aviation, shipbuilding, the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and other industries cannot develop without Russia, since we are very interconnected. “The development of these relations could bring Ukraine closer to the level that it had once achieved. But today, Ukraine is one of very few countries and, probably, the only post-Soviet country that has reached only 70% of 1990 production. We have not even reached the level that was before independence, ”V. Suslov emphasizes.

He is convinced that our countries should be together. And as an example, leads Belarus, which he recently visited. “In Ukraine, we managed to introduce ideas of total, ill-conceived privatization, which led to a halt and destruction of a huge number of enterprises. Because the idea of ​​“private owner more efficiently” was being introduced. And President Alexander Lukashenko did not believe it. And they have not implemented large-scale privatization, and state-owned enterprises, as it turns out, work effectively. And the tractor "Belarus", heavy-duty dump trucks, many other high-tech products are still being produced ... We have been introduced for so many years the idea of ​​looking at Belarus - there is a dictatorship, a falling economy, etc. And when they began to count now, they again wept: the average salary and pension in Belarus are twice as high as in Ukraine. Roads there in perfect condition. Gasoline is much cheaper than ours. Absolutely natural food, because Soviet standards are left that do not allow any impurities, palm oil ... Reforms must be carried out. But - thoughtfully, and not in the same way as ours, ”said Viktor Suslov.

And here is the program itself: part of 1, part of 2.

What else do you want to say? When there are no numbers and arguments, then they beat on emotions. If there are no arguments, if there are no statistics on the benefits of “European integration”, then you have to do just that. That is why in Kiev hung leaflets, where the Customs Union is represented as a kind of prison. Emotions, facts zero.

The inhabitants of Ukraine, and indeed all the inhabitants of the USSR, were simply deceived, telling that it was the evil visitors who ate all the food. And as soon as we break apart our Homeland, we all will live better. Two decades have passed - the lie of these statements is obvious.

Here is a leaflet that was distributed in Ukraine before the destruction of the Soviet Union. Again beat only by emotions.

It says that "we are blessing that no nevilna". And "shchob bugs bagatymy - Treba booty nezalezhnymy. I think that any of us will understand the Ukrainian language. And here we are all from each other "Nezalezhni." All became from each other "vilny." So what? Who got better from this? What people began to live better than at the time when we were One?

But geopolitical upheavals are just beginning. Only strong and large associations of nations and countries have a chance to survive them.

Otherwise it may be so.

Chernivtsi region of Ukraine will require Romania. This is because “bloody Stalin and bloody Lenin” took Bukovina and Bessarabia from “democratic” Romania. Which she took from the "collapsed Russian Empire" in 1918 year. By the way, Odessa was occupied by the Romanians during the Great Patriotic War, because in tsarist times, Odessa was the capital of the Bessarabian province. So the Romanians will require Odessa.

I think it’s not necessary to say who will demand Lviv and several other regions of Ukraine — Poland. After all, as an institution, Ukrainian historians are ready, with foaming at the mouth, to prove the illegality of the non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR, which they call the Covenant. If it is illegal, return Lviv to its rightful owner. And not only him. Well, the Crimea must be returned to Turkey, in the extreme case, to the Crimean Tatars. After all, the “bloody regime of Catherine the Great” completely illegally took away the Crimea from the vassals of the Turkish Sultan, and Stalin completely evicted them.

So I want to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared?

One with such wealth on the “big European road” ...

Do not lose that our grandfathers shared and multiplied?
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  1. +34
    16 August 2013 12: 47
    Ukrainians obviously forgot that on their territory created "cultured and democratic" Europeans. I think it's not worth listing the countries .. ?? They have a different mentality, they will simply devour you ..
    1. Ruslan_F38
      +14
      16 August 2013 13: 03
      “So I would like to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you afraid?

      One with such wealth on the “big European road” ...

      You won't lose that our common grandfathers created and multiplied? "- what are you the author about, today's Ukrainian" figures "look like girls of easy virtue, they absolutely do not care about the aspirations of ordinary citizens, they only care about money and personal well-being. there is no other way (unless, of course, they want an economic catastrophe) other than to join the customs union and clearly orientate themselves in the economy towards Russia and the post-Soviet space, if they even understand that, they do not give a view, nevertheless, the golden calf is closer to their bodies.
    2. +10
      16 August 2013 13: 08
      The thing is that the Ukrainians are somewhere half-dressed + merge extra. money options. A new generation has grown, I doubt that they know their real history, the subsequent result is corresponding. The situation is much more complicated than it seems at first glance.
      1. +1
        16 August 2013 13: 13
        in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.


        Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
        Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.
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        2. +9
          16 August 2013 13: 44
          Quote: Kars
          Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
          Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.


          In Russia, please, "numbers", the rest take the trouble to find yourself.

          And in addition:

          Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs Leonid Slutsky said that the difficulties with Ukrainian goods passing through Russian customs are largely caused simply by the bureaucracy since Ukraine is not a member of the Customs Union.

          Azarov connects problems in trade relations with Russia with the formation and structuring of the Customs Union. "Now there are certain difficulties connected, first of all, in our opinion, with the formation, structuring and formalization of the Customs Union. Differences in our approaches appear."

          Clickable Image:

          Plus a link to:"initial macroeconomic indicators for the 2011 budget - 13yy"
          http://protown.ru/
        3. +47
          16 August 2013 13: 57
          Quote: Kars
          in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.


          Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
          Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.


          I do not understand the meaning of your ongoing disputes on the topic Russia-Ukraine

          for example, at the end of the 30’s, my father’s family was exiled from Ukraine to Siberia (Ukrainian Poles), my mother from the Far East
          Until the Soviet Union was destroyed, we traveled around the country in the summer: Kiev, Kislovodsk, Moscow, Svobodny, Blagoveshchensk, Arsenyev, Vladivostok.
          relatives constantly came to us in Krasnoyarsk.
          For me, a separate country of Ukraine never existed, Ukraine is just a part of my homeland where my relatives live today, and today already in Odessa and in the Krasnodar Territory, and I don’t understand why they should be abroad from me, why between us there should be a border, with what a fright ???
          And to be honest, on the drum, where will the capital of my country be in Kiev or Moscow, the main thing is that it be my one country, and not some euro-state that is alien to me. This is the main thing, everything else the ambitions of the rich elite transferred to you through the media, think what will be good for your descendants in 200 or 1000 years, for which they will thank you today.
          1. +1
            16 August 2013 14: 47
            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            I do not understand the meaning of your ongoing disputes on the topic Russia-Ukraine

            I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))
            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            This is the main, everything else, the ambitions of the rich elite transmitted to you through the media

            But do you mean that neo-imperial ambitions are not transferred? And your media are not paid or engaged.
            1. zmey_gadukin
              -30
              16 August 2013 15: 02
              Quote: Kars
              I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))

              + 100500!!!
              Most interesting
              1. -7
                17 August 2013 02: 30
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                Quote: Kars
                I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))

                + 100500!!!
                Most interesting

                politics, is it not clear? Create public opinion! This site has not been what it was for a long time. On the selection of articles take a look, one policy!
              2. +1
                17 August 2013 05: 01
                So read it if you are interested, otherwise everything is fine in your press.
            2. +12
              16 August 2013 15: 02
              Kars, well, we can’t even count the specks in our eyes, and articles are the usual bread of journalists. That's how people react - that's another question! In my hometown and not under Yeltsin, the aircraft factory was now irretrievably finished request and the degree of production degradation has only now started to decline a little. And then, thanks to the restoration of funding for the MO.
              1. +1
                17 August 2013 05: 25
                http://glavcom.ua/articles/13255.html

                here in this article everything is very simple and accessible about Ukraine and the FTA.



                Well, at the end of the article, the forecast with which I agree:

                ... But the same Glazyev, when he arrives, talks about billions of profits from the vehicle, and not that Russia will set up a military base here.

                Yes, you never know what he says. At the beginning of the 20 century, Americans said that the economy is up to a million dollars, and all that is above is politics. Given inflation, now in this phrase you can change a million to a billion. When it comes to billions of dollars, what kind of economy? Ukraine is important to Russia both in the political and spiritual spheres. Maybe I’ll express myself too radically, but let Ukraine descend to Europe, where it will ruin the remnants of the high-tech industry. The thing will end with the fact that over time Ukrainian migrant workers will oust Tajiks from our streets - and thank God that culturally close people will sweep our streets.

                1. -2
                  17 August 2013 05: 52
                  Thanks for the comment and link.
                2. -5
                  17 August 2013 07: 24
                  Quote: Generalissimus
                  that culturally close people will sweep our streets.


                  Good idea good Ukrainians take a broom and start cleaning the streets
                  1. slas
                    0
                    17 August 2013 09: 14
                    Quote: I am a Russian
                    Good idea good Ukrainians take a broom and start cleaning the streets

                    Make sure that the broomstick is not felt from behind by the "purity lover"
                    1. MG42
                      +2
                      17 August 2013 13: 36
                      Quote: slas
                      Make sure that the broomstick is not felt from behind by the "purity lover"

                      Good advice, I culturally tried to explain to him, but the person does not understand from Ukraine, suggests stupidly plowing on a party of regions, and even supports the statement of Azarov belay >> traditional Ukrainian values ​​= standing in a pose with a shovel in the garden, and now with a broom.
            3. +4
              17 August 2013 05: 45
              Quote: Kars
              I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))

              And you read the previous comment. And the questions will be removed. The review publishes articles that are interesting to most readers.
              The USSR was a state where, for various reasons, residents moved throughout the territory. Young people went to construction sites, to work after college, to the army .. And there they started families, took root. And many Ukrainians (sorry Russians) have roots native to Ukraine. So they are interested in what will happen to their relatives, what will happen to the country, which is their small homeland.
              The same thing happens in Ukraine itself. Read the biography, for example, of the Klitschko brothers.
            4. F117
              -1
              21 August 2013 22: 19
              What is meant by the phrase "neo-imperial ambitions" and to which country does this phrase apply?

              If the United States is meant, then everything is clear - the successor to colonial Britain. Like her parent, she managed to inherit in almost all countries of the world. He tries to rake the whole world under one comb with complete submission to Fashington.
              If Russia is meant, then here fool ... A country that has not destroyed a single people. Withstanding the constant attacks of "syphilized" Europe, it has shown more than once to the whole world where true goodness is. At the moment, it is the only country opposing global terrorism.
        4. Corneli
          -26
          16 August 2013 14: 03
          Quote: Kars
          Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
          Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.

          What's the point? In the stupid substitution of concepts article, Goebbels rests:
          “I have repeatedly said and wrote that economic expediency, as well as logic and common sense, speak of the need for Ukraine to join the customs union.
          And here's another one confirmation of this. The Association "Suppliers of the Customs Union" compared the production of the main types of products per capita in 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves... "- and what side should the vehicle be molded into? When was it created? Apparently, it's been 20 years already, everyone there got rich, but we don't know request
          The same thing is in "comparison" with Belarus ... Not privatized factories, good roads, etc. it appeared there a year ago? Or is it the policy of the daddy without long before the TS was?
          P.S. As for the dad ... Just a couple of years ago, on this site there were a lot of articles about Lukashenko, and for some reason no one admired his genius, but vice versa ... But he criticized the TS in a box, but then silence ... but about Ukraine, 5-6 articles per day)
          1. +11
            16 August 2013 14: 25
            Quote: Corneli
            What's the point? The article is a stupid substitution of concepts, Goebbels resting

            The point is to get into the "digital alignment" YOURSELF and try to, at least, THAT WOULD try to get into what you are offered.
            Going "blindly" in the wake of politicians - you don't need a lot of cleverness, and analysis and a balanced approach will do you honor ...
            1. +1
              16 August 2013 14: 48
              Quote: Corsair
              The point is to get into the "digital alignment" YOURSELF and try to, at least, THAT WOULD try to get into what you are offered.

              Well, in this article they do not offer anything and do not give a digital layout.
              1. +5
                16 August 2013 14: 59
                Quote: Kars
                Well, in this article they do not offer anything and do not give a digital layout.

                I PERSONALLY gave YOU "NUMBER" look carefully at the comments !
                1. +1
                  16 August 2013 15: 07
                  Quote: Corsair
                  I PERSONALLY gave YOU "NUMBER", look carefully at the comments!

                  WHAT FOR?
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Plus a link to: "initial macroeconomic indicators for the 2011 budget - 13yy"


                  Quote: Kars
                  in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.

                  Let's RFSSR 1990 and RF 2010
                  Well, attach Ukraine --- once you are scattered in numbers. Then we will take into account the inflation index, the dollar and so on.
                  1. +5
                    16 August 2013 15: 16
                    Quote: Kars
                    Let's RFSSR 1990 and RF 2010
                    Well, attach Ukraine --- once you are scattered in numbers. Then we will take into account the inflation index, the dollar and so on.


                    "Apply" Ukraine without me, maybe that will become clear for you.
                    And in general, the commercialism in the relations of fraternal peoples ... stop
                    1. +1
                      16 August 2013 15: 19
                      Quote: Corsair
                      "Apply" Ukraine without me, maybe that will become clear for you.

                      So why did you climb with numbers if you are not able to?
                      And in fact, the Russian Federation is especially proud of nothing.
                      1. +10
                        16 August 2013 15: 47
                        Quote: Kars
                        So why did you climb with numbers if you are not able to?
                        And in fact, the Russian Federation is especially proud of nothing.


                        And THIS is already the height of mentality! lol
                        Prepare for you, serve, and even chew.
                        Try to think on your own, in life does not interfere ...
                      2. +1
                        16 August 2013 16: 06
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Try to think for yourself

                        Well, you couldn’t prove it by your example. And you turned out to be just an unfounded demogog.
                        Quote: Kars
                        in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.

                        Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
                        Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.


                        Like the author modestly did not give the required numbers,
                      3. +8
                        16 August 2013 16: 33
                        Quote: Kars
                        Like the author modestly did not give the required numbers,

                        Why are you fixated on 90x? What are the numbers you require?
                        In the yard of 2013, I give you real numbers on the basis of which (with some effort, of course) you can (and again if you wish) make a conclusion about the situation in the Russian economic and financial sphere. And in a similar way to correlate the result with the indicators of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus.

                        P \ S:
                        Well, you couldn’t prove it by your example. And you turned out to be just an unfounded demogog.


                        And this is not my example personally, but the result of the work of a large country ...
                      4. +1
                        16 August 2013 16: 51
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Why are you fixated on 90x? What are the numbers you require?

                        I)))) are you kidding? This is the author of this article)))
                        Quote: Corsair
                        And this is not my example personally, but the result of the work of a large country ...

                        But are you sure that another equally large country will not show itself more efficiently? Everything is known in comparison.
                        Quote: Corsair
                        In the courtyard of 2013 I give you real numbers based on which

                        Well, you have oil, gas, so it is stupid to compare with Ukraine and Belarus.
                      5. Yarosvet
                        +4
                        16 August 2013 19: 32
                        Quote: Kars
                        And in fact, the Russian Federation is especially proud of nothing.
                        There is really nothing much to be proud of, but the fact is that although the increase in energy prices played a role in the growth of GDP, nevertheless it is not determining.
                      6. -1
                        17 August 2013 05: 06
                        Russia is currently the fifth economy in the world, if you are interested.
              2. Misantrop
                0
                17 August 2013 13: 07
                Quote: Kars
                in this article they do not offer anything and do not give a digital layout.

                Do not give. Since any numbers will immediately be declared fraudulent not objective. They propose to search for these numbers by ourselves; there will still be more trust for independently found trusts
                1. +1
                  17 August 2013 13: 36
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Since any numbers will immediately be declared fraudulent not objective

                  So is it possible to write from the very beginning that the author basically invented everything? The article is custom-made and, in principle, does not carry a semantic load except the TS is good, it’s good to join Russia, any other thoughts are bad.
            2. Corneli
              +1
              16 August 2013 16: 59
              Quote: Corsair
              The point is to get into the "digital alignment" YOURSELF and try to, at least, THAT WOULD try to get into what you are offered.
              Going "blindly" in the wake of politicians - you don't need a lot of cleverness, and analysis and a balanced approach will do you honor ...

              Uh-huh, I see how to relate here to both "numbers" and "analysis"))) In my post, NOT A SINGLE WORD OF TRUNK !!! NOT A SINGLE BROWNING OF FACTS !!! As a result, "-7" from the outraged public!) This is called - TRUE HITS EYES!
              1. Corneli
                -1
                17 August 2013 03: 13
                Quote: Corneli
                Uh-huh, I see how to relate here to both "numbers" and "analysis"))) In my post, NOT A SINGLE WORD OF TRUNK !!! NOT A SINGLE BROWNING OF FACTS !!! As a result, "-7" from the outraged public!) This is called - TRUE HITS EYES!

                LTD! already 20" ! Excellent result! And most importantly, no one can say anything to nothing ... just a minus!)
                1. -1
                  19 August 2013 10: 13
                  And sho stoby to argue ............ Your "analysis" belay and a penny is not worth it. The individualist and the capitalist think in small towns (I do not want to swear).
                  First, blur the label, and then crumble under it.
                  Have you served in the army !? Remember the principle of a broom. So in the current conditions (globalization, banking and financial institutions, multinational companies) small countries are not viable !!! They have no sovereignty! (If you don’t even understand this, then ... will reach through your legs)
                  And this is not my desire and not yours, but the rules of the game of the EUROPEAN federations. Where have we all been trying to enter our minds since 90, or have tried to dunk us there (everyone decides for himself).
                  Therefore, the Customs Union is an alternative to the European oligarchy and despotism, its identity, nationality, its roots. Nobody says that when you step in the TS there will be manna from heaven, it will be necessary to plow there and there (only the colonialists chew on it no matter what form they are: administrative, economic or banking), only in Europe you (Ukrainians) will be a European electorate a, i.e. in the vehicle proudly called AMI!
          2. albatross
            +6
            16 August 2013 17: 46
            Corneli UA Today, 14:03
            What's the point? In the stupid substitution of concepts article, Goebbels rests:

            What kind of substitution? The fact that the roads in Belarus are excellent? Personally, I heard from a Ukrainian: you enter the road at the border with Belarus and immediately feel like a human being. Or not? They all lie about the "Old Man"?
            And, Starikov generally well done, he is not a politician, a rare person.
            1. +3
              17 August 2013 01: 47
              Quote: albatross
              What kind of substitution? The fact that the roads in Belarus are excellent? Personally, I heard from a Ukrainian: you enter the road at the border with Belarus and immediately feel like a human being. Or not? They all lie about the "Old Man"?
              And, Starikov generally well done, he is not a politician, a rare person.

              A colleague with a business purpose traveled from the Rostov region to the Donetsk region. Ukraine and asked to advise the shortest way (on the way "there" he washed all my bones in absentia laughing Arriving at the place, the comrade "elicited" the route from the receiving side, albeit longer, but not so "ushatany", in response he heard a stunning advice:
              "Whichever way you arrived, so come back. The rest are EVEN worse! fellow "
            2. Corneli
              -2
              17 August 2013 22: 24
              Quote: albatross
              What kind of substitution? The fact that the roads in Belarus are excellent? Personally, I heard from a Ukrainian: you enter the road at the border with Belarus and immediately feel like a human being. Or not? They all lie about the "Old Man"?

              Have you read the article? I will explain: substitution - not that "the roads are good", but that this (and much more) is directly linked to the vehicle and, as it were, this vehicle is an achievement. And the whole article is saturated with such demagogy. But as I can see many commentators either think too lazy, or by default "all good" from TS (and any, even indirect criticism causes hysteria)
          3. Corneli
            0
            16 August 2013 17: 47
            Quote: Corneli
            What's the point? In the stupid substitution of concepts article, Goebbels rests:

            A kind of poll! Do me a favor, everyone who put the cons, argue why?) Can I briefly) Well, either Goebbels really REALLY rests!
            1. Misantrop
              +2
              17 August 2013 13: 24
              Quote: Corneli
              all who put the cons, argue why?) Can briefly)
              And for those who didn't minus, can I? Belarus has been ill with nationalism, though badly, but not for long. The time of Shushkevich, Grib, etc. In Ukraine, this process, unfortunately, has become chronic. And the main difference between these two former republics is that it is NOT LOST to work in Belarus now. And wages are more adequate to the expended efforts, allowing you to live without stealing at the same time. In Ukraine, such a worker, at least, looks like a dumb loser. And production, alas, is rapidly degrading. The same "Fiolent" has been purchasing rotors for its tools in China for several years already, its own production has been lost. And this is a plant that was a monopoly of the USSR in linear-rotating transformers (which are a couple of orders of magnitude more accurate and more complicated than the current elementary state). And this is everywhere ...
              1. Corneli
                -1
                17 August 2013 22: 37
                Quote: Misantrop
                And to the one who did not minus, is it possible? Byelorussia became ill with nationalism, although not very long.

                Hmm ... As I understand it, in Ukraine, nationalism, laziness and degradation of production (generally agree). In Belarus, this is not there and everyone wants to work there (I also believe)
                I don’t understand just how you correlated this with my request for argumentation on the topic of cons, to my particular comment "on propaganda"?
                If in the article: "What else do you want to say? When there are no numbers and arguments, then they beat on emotions. If there are no arguments, if there are no statistics of the advantages of" European integration "(only here it was possible to write a TS), you have to do just that. That is why in Kiev hung leaflets, where the Customs Union is presented as a kind of prison (There are other leaflets: Where some perverts live in the EU)). Emotions, facts, zero. " The author himself, about his own article, spoke in plain text that the numbers are zero, some emotions, distortion of facts, citing "examples" of achievements that are absolutely not related to the TS (like Lukashenka's activities in 90-2010). Actually, I wrote a comment on this topic, I saw a minus, there are NO arguments-answers! Conclusion: I wrote the truth, but certain people do not like it.
        5. SASCHAmIXEEW
          0
          16 August 2013 15: 16
          And this figure is about the same for everyone, they worked for the same collective farm, the USSR!
        6. +3
          16 August 2013 16: 47
          Kars, bro, and you type in Shcherbitsky in Google? Kars, and if you knew that Koreyvo, from Kolomenskoye already 907g, this engine in France was patented. it's about the T-64. Kars, but not that in the Arch region, in the 80s, the whole forest went to Ukraine, which was cut down and loaded by Ukrainians. Incidentally, it is not a fact that they did it themselves. My brother-and-so-old brother, is still leading a master class in Belarus, for loading timber into the cars of the MPS. Kars, I have a brother with GSVG, and on the shelf is a model T-64 in chrome! He is a driver. He loves this machine and hates it. Will you understand?
          1. +1
            16 August 2013 21: 08
            Quote: perepilka
            Kars, bro, and you type in Shcherbitsky in Google? Kars, and if you knew that Koreyvo, from Kolomenskoye already 907g, this engine in France was patented. it's about the T-64. Kars, but not that in the Arch region, in the 80s, the whole forest went to Ukraine, which was cut down and loaded by Ukrainians. Incidentally, it is not a fact that they did it themselves. My brother-and-so-old brother, is still leading a master class in Belarus, for loading timber into the cars of the MPS. Kars, I have a brother with GSVG, and on the shelf is a model T-64 in chrome! He is a driver. He loves this machine and hates it. Will you understand?


            I honestly didn’t understand everything. It’s too chaotic forest, Arkhangelsk, T-64, Belopus. The model is good.
            1. +4
              16 August 2013 23: 08
              Kars, under the USSR, under Shcherbitsky, the industry of Ukraine grew 5 times, agricultural, 2 times. Forest, Arkhangelsk, in the 80s, in the Arch region, Ukrainians chopped wood, there weren’t enough of their forest cuts, chopped on the condition that all the wood they chopped went to those enterprises, where did they come, plus their salary, piecework, from working out, with all the north and district. There were Belarus, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Moldova. 10 percent, so here they stayed, But you know, there are more Ukrainians. Add a percentage of 2-3 captured Germans, Hungarians and other Swedes, this is the center and south of the Arch region. Now they are all Russian, because the northerners are the most beautiful, and the skuas are the most intelligent (natural selection, you can’t argue against nature, especially since lately, the 80s, in view of genetics, the corrupt girl of imperialism, have worked their best. laughing Kars, look at the territory, Arch region and Ukraine. Kars, we are occupying you, gently and affectionately; you won’t even notice how you will become Russia.
              Well, Belarus, we are already taking it slowly feel
              1. +1
                16 August 2013 23: 11
                Quote: perepilka
                Kars, during the USSR

                And where does the communist USSR, to the modern capitalist-oligarchic Russian Federation?
                Quote: perepilka
                Kars, look at the territory, Arch region and Ukraine

                Territories are one thing, the population is different, here you are watching the main thing for the Chinese.
                1. +5
                  16 August 2013 23: 30
                  Quote: Kars
                  And where does the communist USSR, to the modern capitalist-oligarchic Russian Federation?

                  Kars, you know, with us, well, no difference

                  Territories are one thing, the population is another, here you are the main thing for the Chinese

                  Damn, these are gone what need to start, prolific say more people more quickly occupy laughing
                  1. +1
                    17 August 2013 09: 53
                    Quote: perepilka
                    Kars, you know, with us, well, no difference

                    You take a closer look.
              2. +1
                17 August 2013 00: 45
                Quote: perepilka
                the northerners, the most beautiful, and the skirts, the smartest

                Oh! Scribe, as I laughed then, that's all, this is no longer pouring! I’ll go, I’ll cry for the barn, but I’ll shoot myself, crying
                1. +2
                  17 August 2013 01: 41
                  Proudly coming out of the barn
                  Sorry, missed, God's providence. Now I insist all the more that the northerners are the most beautiful, and the skuas are the smartest! Here! good
        7. 755962
          +3
          16 August 2013 20: 41
          Quote: Kars
          And you can similar data on the Russian Federation

          Bear Revival: 18 Signs Russia Swiftly Catching U.S.
          Under the leadership of Vladimir Putin, the gross domestic product (GDP) doubled, rising from 22-th place to 11-th largest in the world. Economy gains began to be an average of 7 percent per year (1999: 6,5 percent, 2000: 10 percent, 2001: 5,7 percent, 2002: 4,9 percent, 2003: 7,3 percent, 2004: 7,2 percent, 2005: 6,4 percent, 2006: 8,2 percent , 2007: 8,5 percent, 2008: 5,2 percent), making Russia a country with the sixth most developed economy in the world in terms of GDP. In 2007, Russia's GDP exceeded the corresponding figures of 1990 of the year, which meant overcoming the devastating effects of the nineties recession.

          During the eight years of Putin's rule, industry has grown by 75 percent, investment has increased by 125 percent, and levels of agricultural production and construction have increased. Cash incomes more than doubled, and the average salary increased eightfold, from 80 to 640 dollars. Between 2000 and 2006, consumer loans increased 45 times, and in the same time period, the middle class grew from 8 to 55 million, which is a sevenfold increase. The number of people living below the poverty line has decreased from 30 percent in 2000 to 14 percent in 2008.

          http://mixednews.ru/archives/39996
          1. +1
            16 August 2013 21: 08
            I have already posted a chart of oil prices and GDP growth.
        8. -1
          17 August 2013 05: 00
          Yes, no comparison with Ukraine.
        9. wow
          +2
          17 August 2013 12: 28
          No "numbers" are needed here! I have a couple of gorlopanov at work - nezalezhnikiv, yelling, yelling: "... Russia has more girshe than nenke ...". Show me, I tell them, at least one "migrant worker" from Russia, Belarus or Kazakhstan in our "vilny that nezalezhnaya"! They shut up quickly. Nothing but a quick and sad end is in sight in Ukraine.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        16 August 2013 15: 13
        This is without a doubt, if we manage to get 100 history books a little extra, then there, which is not a village, then your dad with his own history, there is only one hope that the Slavs and GEN will not give out ....
    3. eplewke
      +16
      16 August 2013 14: 23
      Hold a referendum !!! Che torment people! Let the people choose! The government is simply afraid of the results of the referendum. After him, the path to the pederasts from the EU will close ...
      1. +7
        16 August 2013 15: 05
        Quote: eplewke
        Hold a referendum !!! Che torment people! Let the people choose!

        Eugene, when did we especially hear the top people?
        1. eplewke
          +2
          16 August 2013 16: 49
          I agree with you. But such a question should clearly be decided by the people. It's like choosing a constitution ...
      2. -1
        17 August 2013 04: 03
        Quote: eplewke
        Hold a referendum !!! Che torment people! Let the people choose! The government is simply afraid of the results of the referendum. After him, the path to the pederasts from the EU will close ...

        It will be 50 to 50 ... Fifty-fifty, plus or minus 5%. There is more in the southeast, less in the west. And the further into the forest, the more the percentage for unification with Russia will decrease. We cannot, “convince.” With such levers of pressure as oil and gas, with so much loyal to Russia population ... Yes, I also forgot Onishchenko. Small countries with him can be taken without a single shot.
      3. 755962
        -1
        17 August 2013 18: 35
        Quote: eplewke
        Hold a referendum !!!

        Ukraine is not Iceland. She will not be allowed to "jump" off the hook of world banks just for neither economic nor geopolitical reasons.
        http://russian.rt.com/article/13996
    4. +2
      16 August 2013 14: 40
      ... Not otherwise, moths - fly to the bright alluring flame of a candle! And the result is obvious!
    5. Vlad-32
      0
      16 August 2013 21: 46
      They (the Ukrainian authorities) drove themselves into such a corner that no clearance was visible. It’s like in the sea. Where the wind is, there’s a boat. And they row there and know where to go. And here, apparently, they do not know. Where is the President?
    6. -2
      17 August 2013 10: 58
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Ukrainians have clearly forgotten what the "cultural and democratic" Europeans did on their territory

      The Russians seem to have forgotten the same thing, and that is probably why they are selling gas to Germany much cheaper than the Ukrainians brothers?
      1. eplewke
        0
        19 August 2013 08: 32
        Write nonsense. Gas is sold to Ukrainians at a discount. And not higher than the German price. When you leave a comment, make sure of your legitimacy ...
  2. +16
    16 August 2013 12: 54
    About the old men appeared. Thanks for the article +! But they will not hear. Silverfish stuck in the ears of Xnumx.
  3. +21
    16 August 2013 13: 00
    here frankly tired of (if not to say rudely) all this Ukrainian epic. As the saying goes: you won’t be forcibly sweet - even though it’s not our business to go to the EU. But our business is to protect our markets, which is now happening.
    1. +20
      16 August 2013 13: 38
      Quote: Ragnarek
      As the saying goes: you won’t be forcibly sweet - even though it’s not our business to go to the EU. But our business is to protect our markets, which is now happening.

      + dear !!! finally, our authorities are acting as they should! finally realized that in interstate relations, the country must first protect itself!
      by the way, pay attention - Europeans and Americans who did not try to prove to Ukrainians that they are their brothers are there at a premium! and without giving huge discounts on gas, but only driving Ukrainians into unrealistic debts!
      hence the conclusion - there is nothing to try to rely on the intelligence of the Ukrainian leadership, it is necessary to act according to long-established schemes:
    2. +6
      16 August 2013 16: 20
      Quote: Ragnarek
      here frankly tired of (if not to say rudely) all this Ukrainian epic.

      It’s just that you probably don’t have relatives there.
      Therefore, all FSUs.
      Otherwise, how can you leave your relatives?
      1. zmey_gadukin
        -10
        16 August 2013 16: 52
        Quote: ATATA
        Otherwise, how can you leave your relatives?

        but relatives do not want to go to Russia?
        1. MG42
          +4
          17 August 2013 13: 47
          Quote: zmey_gadukin
          but relatives do not want to go to Russia?

          This is Svidomo's purely position disagree like wali << suitcase-station-Russia >> only here is not the right platform to move such slogans. We should not forget how many Russian-speaking citizens live in Ukraine and how many pro-Russian are minded.
  4. Seraph
    +17
    16 August 2013 13: 00
    Residents of Ukraine, change your mind, return to us - we will forgive and embrace everything as a returning prodigal son! Only do not take Galicia with you, let him continue to eat pork feed in the west)
    1. 0
      17 August 2013 11: 04
      Quote: Seraphim
      Residents of Ukraine, change your mind, return to us - we will forgive and embrace everything as a returning prodigal son!

      Forgive, the prodigal son ..... Maybe that's why they do not want to come back.
  5. avt
    +5
    16 August 2013 13: 02
    Not a horse feed, it's all the voice of one crying in the desert, the reaction will be the opposite - only a European choice.
    1. Tykta
      +8
      16 August 2013 13: 09
      yeah) stock up on popcorn, wait for the comments of Ukrainians) pure semantics of discourse to pee)))
      1. Corneli
        -15
        16 August 2013 13: 35
        Quote: Tykta
        yeah) stock up on popcorn, wait for the comments of Ukrainians) pure semantics of discourse to pee)))

        And what kind of semantics can we talk about here?) Here they are only politics, the economy does not smell ...
        As an example, slogans in the style - "If they (Ukraine) go to the EU, they will immediately be ruined and there will be no trade in the vehicle with them ..." As for ruin, the question is controversial ... ruin what? And what about trading with the TS, why can't we trade with them? If, for example, Russia needs pipes and we need gas, then we can trade without the EU (like right now), it will be more profitable for us to trade these goods in the CU, but we won't be able to do it in the EU?belay
        Russia is wonderfully trading with the same France, Germany, and for some reason there are fewer problems there than with Ukraine. So fairy tales do it all, but twist it ...
        P.S. I’m curious, are foreign (EU, China there) cargoes right now also with thousands of trucks and wagons at the border, like the Ukrainian ones? Or, in their attitude, the customs officers did not have a sudden brain collapse (and the excuses that the customs guys can’t read the new documents for several days and that’s why the zvezdozit is happening at the border .... I even xs what it looks like, such a mega-black PR trade )
        1. +7
          16 August 2013 13: 59
          I read this article yesterday, where a forum member wrote about the following: Russian customs officers want to show in advance how it will be after the signing of the agreement between Ukraine and the EU! laughing
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          +5
          16 August 2013 15: 57
          Personally, I am in favor of the vehicle with Ukraine, but no, there is no trial !!! The worst thing is that the dashing lads from the Jewish-Zionist NATO will play us off! You would have to hold a referendum on both the Customs Union and NATO, only honest !!! And do not forget that Europe, the whole of Europe, everyone worked for Hitler, in different ways, but they worked !! And that the "liberators" were doing EVERYWHERE and even now they are doing, in Syria you think the aliens are "working" - not the handiwork of NATO headed by "the main friend "S, A, S, W, ... so from m ..... hello to her, to the end ... WE ARE ALL RUSSIAN from the word RUS ... and Kievskaya is the same, first RUS
          1. +1
            17 August 2013 11: 18
            Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
            ! The worst thing is that dashing lads from the Jewish Zionist NATO pit us!

            And here are the Jews? Was 2 weeks ago in St. Petersburg and Kiev (probably pitted peoples wassat ) I liked it both there and there. I don’t understand what difference does Ukraine choose the CU or the EU, what is it that hinders living in peace and harmony and trading? Doesn't Russia trade with the EU? Or is the EU the enemies of Russia? Well, Ukraine will choose the path to the EU - it is its right, why start these trade wars, customs, before this years of problems with gas. In many ways, Russia itself, as it were, would push Ukraine to the west .. What is the difference between Russia in general (I do not understand), Ukraine in the CU or the EU? It sells gas all over the world at world prices; it does not give any preferences in trade; in general, it is treated like with any other foreign state.
            The policy of recent days, such nonsense, from the EU or the same States also slow down goods? - NO, why are Ukrainian yes? Well, yes, if the worst option is for Ukraine to leave for the EU, so treat them like EU countries, sell gas to them (which means cheaper), do not slow down goods at customs, do not obsolete trade wars.
            In general, you won’t be forcibly sweet, but such behavior is simply ridiculous. As if the people are stupid (Ukrainian) and do not understand where the ears grow from. In addition to antogonism and anti-Russian sentiment, this will not cause anything. Russia gives cards to all anti-Russian forces in Ukraine. An elephant in a china shop is Russia's policy towards all CIS countries. In general, which of the 15 republics of the former Soviet Union is a true ally of Russia? Give an example? No one wondered why?
        3. +5
          16 August 2013 16: 28
          Quote: Corneli
          If they (Ukraine) go to the EU, they will immediately be ruined and there will be no CU trading with them ... "As for ruin, a moot point ... ruin what? And about trade with the CU, why can't we trade with them? If, for example, Russia needs pipes and we need gas, then we can trade without the EU (like right now), it will be more profitable for us to trade these goods in the CU, but we won't be able to do it in the EU?

          Yes, from Russia, Russia will not buy your pipes!
          Don’t you understand that you will be in the camp of the enemy ?!
          Or do you still believe in a fair international partnership as a child?
          1. zmey_gadukin
            -13
            16 August 2013 16: 54
            Quote: ATATA
            Yes, from Russia, Russia will not buy your pipes!

            there are no principles in business - only money in business

            Quote: ATATA
            Don’t you understand that you will be in the camp of the enemy ?!

            who exactly is the enemy of Russia?


            Quote: ATATA
            still believe in international fair partnership?

            with your Onishchenko - no longer!
            1. +2
              16 August 2013 17: 18
              "The Russian government did not take decisions on the regulation of Ukrainian imports. This was reported by the press service and information department of the Russian government."

              “This is a decision of the customs authorities, and at the level of the government of the Russian Federation, no decisions were made to regulate imports from Ukraine,” the government told RBC. At the same time, the Cabinet expressed concern about the situation at Russian customs, which "affects the trade and economic relations between the two countries." The Federal Customs Service (FCS) of the Russian Federation has not yet officially commented on what is happening.

              Moscow, August 16. Russia has a list of claims against Ukraine in the area of ​​consumer protection, but it’s wrong to consider it a trade war, said Gennady Onishchenko, head of the Rospotrebnadzor, chief state sanitary officer of Russia, Interfax reports.

              “We are doing professional work. We have a specific long list of claims in the field of consumer protection legislation, ”Onishchenko said.

              As the head of Rospotrebnadzor clarified, we are talking about the compliance of products with the requirements of the legislation on consumer protection, and compliance with quality.
            2. +3
              17 August 2013 00: 39
              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              Quote: ATATA
              Yes, from Russia, Russia will not buy your pipes!

              there are no principles in business - only money in business

              Quote: ATATA
              Don’t you understand that you will be in the camp of the enemy ?!

              who exactly is the enemy of Russia?


              Quote: ATATA
              still believe in international fair partnership?

              with your Onishchenko - no longer!

              Sorry, but your naivety borders on stupidity. Well, probably for this and all in the cons.
              Litter if that.
              1. zmey_gadukin
                -1
                17 August 2013 13: 39
                and you listen to propaganda less)))
                Of course it’s easier to accuse a person of stupidity than to strain the brain and try to answer at least one question. Yes, Comrade Atat?
            3. 0
              17 August 2013 05: 12
              The flag is in your hands.
          2. Corneli
            -1
            16 August 2013 17: 10
            Quote: ATATA
            Yes, from Russia, Russia will not buy your pipes!

            Right! Russia will buy pipes from Germany or France, maybe 3 times more expensive, well, nothing, the first time you went? And Gays here will not become a problem) The main Schaub is not in Ukraine)
            Quote: ATATA
            Don’t you understand that you will be in the camp of the enemy ?!

            Not a drop! Doesn't prevent Russia from trading with NATO or Gayropes countries if it is profitable for Russia! Moreover, it is also BRAND about the turnover! request
            Quote: ATATA
            Or do you still believe in a fair international partnership as a child?

            Of course I don’t believe it! Who is stronger is the one and kvach! The "Geyropeans" wanted to revise the gas prices - nya - the prices in the contracts are reduced! They wanted to reprivatize the companies bought by the Russians - nya! re-privatized! and Russia quietly swallowed it and reports on increasing partnership with Geyropa!) And Mona put pressure on Ukraine, which is being done (and "brotherhood" or "debts" have nothing to do with it). Here's a banal TRUTH, you can try to challenge it)
            1. Misantrop
              +1
              17 August 2013 13: 34
              Quote: Corneli
              Russia will buy pipes from Germany or France, maybe 3 times more expensive, well, nothing, the first time you went? And Gays here will not become a problem) The main Schaub is not in Ukraine)

              Maybe we recall the story of the purchase of fuel assemblies at Ukrainian nuclear power plants? We got rubbish from Westinghouse at a crazy price, just not from the Russian Federation ...

              And what about the purchase of a battery for the Zaporozhye submarine submarine? So, after all, I rotted on the pier ...
        4. Luna
          +6
          16 August 2013 19: 18
          Corneli

          why can't we trade with them?

          Why can't you? You can, but according to the rules for all, and not as it is now a simplified customs passage and duty free.

          If, for example, Russia needs pipes

          Not needed, Pinchuk has already been given a turn from the goal for the second half of the year.

          Russia is wonderfully trading with the same France, Germany, and for some reason there are fewer problems there than with Ukraine.

          Because Russia does not require any preferences.

          the fact is that absolutely all products of Ukraine in the documents of the European Union are in the list of risky goods. Therefore, when Russia included the same products in a similar list, it merely repeated the practice of the EU. Paradoxical as it may sound, Moscow created huge problems for Ukraine in trade by simply moving to the civilized European rules of cooperation. A complete transshipment of all products to warehouses in terminals is carried out, product samples are taken, some of them are sent to laboratories in Moscow.

          However, Kiev does not express any concern in front of Brussels on this issue - it silently carries out all the necessary official regulations.

          http://svpressa.ru/society/article/72646/
          1. Corneli
            -2
            17 August 2013 03: 22
            Quote: Luna
            Why can't you? You can, but according to the rules for all, and not as it is now a simplified customs passage and duty free.

            Thank you for your answer, and if it's not a secret, for the former USSR countries (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan), that is, countries that are not "hostile", but not included in the Customs Union, are the same rules?
            P.S. And why "problems" when entering a vehicle across the border arose only in Russia?) But in Belarus, not! Does Old Man sabotage contracts?)
        5. maxvet
          0
          17 August 2013 22: 13
          there were American legs, Argentinean and Polish beef, only rabbit can be imported from China, etc.
  6. +9
    16 August 2013 13: 12
    We are waiting for November (or when will the agreement be signed there?), Then we count down the year and read what the European integrators and their sympathizers think about it in Ukraine (sorry I didn’t want to offend, it is written in Russian in Ukraine). Only after all this will we no longer need the desert. Only accept refugees.
  7. jet blackbird
    -4
    16 August 2013 13: 14
    On the one hand, Ukraine's accession to the CU is the preservation of its technosphere and a chance for its future, with a real increase in "jobs" and infrastructure. Personally, I am in the economic component - "FOR")) On the other hand, the CU states are authoritarian, not legal, humiliating the life of a "simple" person .... monarchies in which there is no legality at all. It is possible that "the signing of an FTA with the EU" will give Ukraine an opportunity to catch up with European legal standards ... and the government itself will constantly be under "pressure" from the EU in observing democratic legality, and this is very important. But the general situation is very contradictory ... due to the lack of "intelligible" politicians in Ukraine and Russia, who would put the interests of their countries "above all" and would be able to "agree" and not "dodge" any nonsense.
    1. +4
      16 August 2013 16: 32
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      On the one hand, Ukraine's accession to the CU is the preservation of its technosphere and a chance for its future, with a real increase in "jobs" and infrastructure.

      Surround dear!
      It’s already clear to everyone that so far the territory VUKRAINEN independent, you can’t throw in investments there.
      Is that not clear?
      1. jet blackbird
        +2
        16 August 2013 16: 43
        It is not about "independence", it is about the rule of law, the investment climate and political stability. If there were adequate people at the helm of Ukraine, the situation in the state would be different))
        1. Misantrop
          0
          17 August 2013 13: 39
          Quote: Jet blackbird
          If at the helm of Ukraine there were adequate people ...
          ... then it would be called differently ... request
      2. Corneli
        -1
        17 August 2013 03: 18
        Quote: ATATA
        Surround dear!
        It is already clear to everyone that while VUKRAINEN territory is independent, investments cannot be thrown in there.
        Is that not clear?

        Dear! Would you be so kind as to explain this gifted term of yours: "VUKRAINEN"? Where did you, smart guy, dug him up (there is no such word on the search engine)? And if this is your own fascist enclosure, then what kind of it can you use here?
    2. Wolverine67
      +1
      16 August 2013 17: 01
      ..... rightly there is nothing for such "simple" people as a "black bird" to do among our "totalitarian" states, forward to Free Europe, you look still teach us wits ...
    3. M. Peter
      +3
      16 August 2013 17: 48
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      On the other hand, the CU states are authoritarian, non-legal, humiliating the life of a "common" person .... monarchies

      Have you come to totalitarianism for a long time?
    4. +3
      16 August 2013 22: 59
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      and the government itself will be constantly under "pressure" from the EU in the observance of democratic legality, and this is very important.

      So far, the people will suffer and the entire economy of Ukraine. And until the power comes ....
      So far, according to the EU proposals for the signing of the association, it is necessary to change the railway tracks. How much will it cost? But Shell has already admitted that it is unprofitable to extract shale gas from us (and how much land they have destroyed and spoiled water sources !!!), but now they are demanding compensation for the damage. Well they spent the money on research - and nothing happened! And Ukraine has no money! So, instead of compensation, she was offered to start developing our gas deposits. But here, too, the "joke". Our pipes are not suitable for this company - only European ones! And we have not signed the association yet!
    5. +1
      17 August 2013 04: 18
      Aren't you funny yourself? Bees against honey))) Yanukovych for democracy wassat
  8. +9
    16 August 2013 13: 18
    Yes, let them fall on all four sides. no need to persuade them. They won’t go anywhere; they will crawl back. Only a conversation with them will be completely different. If there is no mind ...
    1. jet blackbird
      +7
      16 August 2013 13: 25
      Where did the Ukrainian powerful bandits get their "mind"? After all, they are mostly "criminal elements")) - their selfish interest "thinks" for them, which is controlled by the special services of "the most democratic state in the Galaxy"
      1. +11
        16 August 2013 14: 07
        Quote: Jet blackbird
        Where did the Ukrainian powerful bandits get their "mind"? After all, they are mostly "criminal elements")) - their selfish interest "thinks" for them, which is controlled by the special services of "the most democratic state in the Galaxy"


        Handbook "Master of the Universe" ...
      2. -2
        17 August 2013 07: 52
        Quote: Jet blackbird
        Where did the Ukrainian powerful bandits get their "mind"?


        What kind of people - such and boyars request
  9. +22
    16 August 2013 13: 24
    Brothers Ukrainians! Do not believe the sweet-voiced European sirens with a shark face!
    1. eplewke
      +5
      16 August 2013 14: 26
      haha !!! Well, a photo. Photoshop for them as a gift!
    2. +4
      16 August 2013 17: 03
      This is the real face of imperialism, pooh on him
    3. phantom359
      +3
      16 August 2013 23: 46
      Quote: polly
      Brothers Ukrainians! Do not believe the sweet-voiced European sirens with a shark face!

      Yes, no one believes them. For most (with whom I spoke) Russians are the most reliable allies. For the western 50 to 50, well, wuyki from time immemorial foolishly toiled.
  10. +28
    16 August 2013 13: 33
    Let them go for two reasons.

    1.If you hold it, then it will be said later that the "damned mosques" did not allow Ukraine to develop normally and find its own happiness.
    In the 90s it already happened, in Ukraine they claimed that they were feeding Russia. Separation has put everything in its place. Now dear Ukrainians can take "independence", smear "nezalezhnist" on it and so hawala. Any integration with Russia had to be a deliberate choice and not under pressure from outside.

    2. There must be some country by the example of which people can say "how good it is that I live in Russia" or "how good it is that my country is allied with Russia"
  11. +12
    16 August 2013 13: 34
    The engine of this European Union of yours is Germany, all the rest are hanging on the hook with the Germans and will never get off, all those France, Italy, Spain ... Poland, Romania ... all of them can already be said to have become part of the Reich, yes this is a different Reich, but still, everything has long been calculated and laid out on the shelves, the Germans and Spain will want to descend into the UG, the Germans want some Czech Republic to descend into the UG, and now a ragged beggar is knocking on this house, and asks to let him in, the whole world laughs and laughs at him, but he still humbly sits at the door and asks him to let him in, of course, sometimes a "German gentleman" comes out of the house and shoves a beggar a boot for a kiss, a beggar rushes and licks a boot for his master, and words "Gut, Slavic pig, gut!" throws scraps into the mud and laughing leaves, and the beggar throws himself into the mud for his handout, after which he returns to his place and begins to lament again: “Let me in please!” Which country is here as a supplicant, I think everyone understands.
    1. Corneli
      -20
      16 August 2013 13: 48
      Quote: Standard Oil
      and now a ragged beggar knocks on this house and asks him to let him in, the whole world laughs at him and makes fun of him, but he still humbly sits at the door and asks him to let him in, of course, sometimes a "German gentleman" comes out of the house and puts his boots on the beggar kiss, the beggar rushes and licks the boot for his master, and the master with the words "Gut, Slavic pig, gut!" throws scraps into the mud and laughing leaves, and the beggar throws himself into the mud for his handout, after which he returns to his place and begins to lament again: “Let me in please!” Which country is here as a supplicant, I think everyone understands.

      Yes, yes, we are humble and stupid "ragged beggars" all understood everything. Thank you for letting such close-minded little fellows fall to the light of your wisdom for a while what
      1. +9
        16 August 2013 14: 02
        Quote: Corneli
        Thank you for letting us briefly fall to the light of your wisdom, so small-minded

        Use it as long as there is time, soon it won't be, I thought that the country has nowhere to fall below, but it turns out that you can break through the floor and fly further. Of course, nobody likes the truth, but now they blame the "damned Russians who do not give Ukraine a normal life " will not work.
        1. Corneli
          -9
          16 August 2013 14: 12
          Quote: Standard Oil
          Use it as long as there is time, soon it won't be, I thought that the country has nowhere to fall below, but it turns out that you can break through the floor and fly further. Of course, nobody likes the truth, but now they blame the "damned Russians who do not give Ukraine a normal life " will not work.

          Well ... you can always go to this site at least and read such "wisdom")
        2. +18
          16 August 2013 14: 57
          Yes, I talked with one independent Ukrainian about this, asked whether the masters would leave, whether the Polish nobles or the German "herrs" would come. So? So! , then that freelancer that right now there will be no independent language, there will be no Ukrainian language, no culture .. Ukrainian will not have anything defining nationality, not immediately, but in 5-10 years for sure, first Latin, then legal and technical language, and everything about native culture forget, let alone the attitude of the gentry and burghers towards the local population, let the older generation take an interest in someone who is still alive and remembered. I tell him you sit with me and drink beer calmly, and with a German you will stand and a cap in your hands wrinkle words in German, picking up and faithfully looking into the eyes .. He was offended by me for some reason ...
      2. +15
        16 August 2013 14: 48
        That zeal worthy of another use, with which your fellow countrymen advocated an uncluttered appearance, is comparable to that ass in which the Ukrainian economy is located. Therefore, some members of the forum slips a bit of gloat over your street and tribune screamers, who are following the lead of Western democracy. For them, Ukraine is an instrument (one of the instruments) and no more, with the help of which one can somehow annoy Russia.
      3. Corneli
        +3
        16 August 2013 17: 22
        Quote: Corneli
        Yes, yes, we humble and stupid "ragged beggars" understood everything. Thank you for letting such close-minded little people fall to the light of your wisdom for a while.

        + 6 - to the commentator who called the Ukrainians "ragged beggars" licking boots "German master".
        -12 - to me, for the fact that it is very modest! commented out!))))
        What other questions can there be?)
        1. +2
          17 August 2013 04: 29
          Quote: Corneli
          Quote: Corneli
          Yes, yes, we humble and stupid "ragged beggars" understood everything. Thank you for letting such close-minded little people fall to the light of your wisdom for a while.

          + 6 - to the commentator who called the Ukrainians "ragged beggars" licking boots "German master".
          -12 - to me, for the fact that it is very modest! commented out!))))
          What other questions can there be?)

          If you want pluses, then agree ... And more Ur! Hooray! Hooray! Your point of view does not coincide with the opinion of the absolute majority. It’s just that someone makes good arguments and tries to analyze, and someone is stupidly rude.
          1. -1
            17 August 2013 07: 56
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            and someone is stupidly rude.


            20 years of degradation ... "left their mark"
  12. +11
    16 August 2013 13: 36
    Ukraine has already killed its sugar industry and partially processing industry by joining the WTO under bonded conditions. The EU will finish what is left. And it will be years through 10 Ukraine like Poland to buy used weapons in the EU.
  13. +19
    16 August 2013 13: 39
    The collapse of the Soviet Union and Russia did not strengthen, Ukraine is just a smaller cast of the problems of the collapse, with a greater share of political speculation. Otherwise, the Ukrainian powers that be, the twins and brothers of the oligarchs from Russia. Thanks to Belarus and personally to Lukashenko, if it weren't for Batka, with his little socialism, we would not have seen the allied Belarus, with the preserved agriculture and industry. You don't need to click your beak, you had to fight for Ukraine for a long time and seriously, right up to financing the necessary party and bribing the corrupt elite, and a sincere struggle for the minds of ordinary people, most of whom sympathize with Russia. How is it, Ukraine, is the historical core of Russia, Russian statehood, the beginning and center of Russian Orthodoxy, and we allowed all the crooks to convince the native Russians that they are not Russians? Any trash "genetically modified" by Poland and other "well-wishers" has contrived to slander history, erode memory, gain strength ... They diluted "dill", and, if desired, will come up with "hemp" in the evolution of Ukraine. Kiev is the ancient capital of Russia, and it should return there when the Russian lands are unified, and this union is worth it that we seriously fought for it, and not let everything go by itself, giving the initiative to the enemies of the rebirth of a strong Russia.
  14. Fedych
    -15
    16 August 2013 13: 49
    SW Nikolay! - But are you not afraid of the level of knowledge and understanding of you and Fedorov-supporting? Do you somehow enlighten your co-supporters, admonish, justify? And it turns out that M. Gorbachev dragged along a bunch of headless aunts and men, and now you too. What is your difference? - these from Nashintsy in Estonia have inherited both very disgustingly and wretchedly, the shame and shame of Russia! (About the bronze night). You and Fedorov are asked questions from the crowd !: - this is the squalor of thought, experience and reason. This stewed fruit can come to Estonia tomorrow to strangle us, to crush us and to lower us to zero. Not all of us need this here. Neither mind, nor experience, nor dragging from a stool to a bench is visible to them. And we! (Some of us) - both for Russia, and for Russians, and other citizens of Russia who understand its spirit, meaning and purpose. But they are these, the spirit, the meaning and the goal! - supra-Russian, supranational and superficially religious! (Orthodoxy, as truth and the Spirit, is higher than the so-called Russian understanding from the crowd of faith and knowledge and experience and purely Russian and other Russian Orthodox people) . Russian, Rusich, Russian, both on the territory of Russia and in Eicumen, is more than a nation, a language, and an outwardly understood faith that sometimes slides into paganism and old Judaism. This is new and new. And on this basis, neither the Baltic states, nor Central Asia, nor the Caucasian republics should be afraid of forced, unchristian Russification. If you are Orthodox? —Kindly know and respect all our local customs, traditions and faith. DO NOT impose our vodka on the Muslims! - poison us for our income. Well, everything else is as follows.
    1. +4
      16 August 2013 14: 50
      Well ... you bent .... Maybe you need to heal?
    2. 0
      17 August 2013 04: 36
      In how what Theme is not wrong? Yes, if we did, but in time we brought manure to the fields ... Eh, what crops we collected ...
  15. +4
    16 August 2013 13: 51
    I would like to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared? One with such wealth on the "big European road" ...

    Yes, not "robbers from the high road" should be feared with such wealth ... They are in their native country ... and in the "sister" is quite enough! ...
    The departure to Europe will be perceived differently in different parts of UKRAINE! At the same time, the points of view and arguments are so polar, extreme and tough that no compromise is foreseen!
    At the same time, the western regions, where there are more champions of "European integration", have nothing to lose ... they have only working hands. Most of the enterprises began ... the forest was cut down and taken out ... there is not enough raw materials ..
    Another thing is the eastern and southern parts of the country, which give more to the "common pot" of state revenue more than 2 times in comparison with the western regions. It is unlikely that the more or less economically developed EAST AND SOUTH OF UKRAINE will agree that they will be given by the "zapadentsy" from Lviv to slay the economy of Europe. And it will be so! The range of goods that will be competitive in the West both in quality ... and in price - you can count on your fingers ... and the road to the Russian market will be closed! This means that the result for many industries will be sad.
    It is this inappropriateness that can lead to the most terrible and major disaster - BREAKING ... DECAY OF UKRAINE !!! This will be a disaster ... so a disaster!
    You will involuntarily exclaim: are you not afraid?
  16. +3
    16 August 2013 14: 02
    A YELLOW-BLACK FLAG FLIES OVER AN INDEPENDENT UKRAINE!

    "The Orthodox philosopher AF Losev stated:" A symbol is a visible expression of an idea. Is the flag of the SS Galicia division that is raised over the Southwestern Territory of Russia the personification of an independent Ukraine? "

    Surely, unfortunately - YES ...
    THEREFORE SO THEY ARE SUCH ....
    1. Fedych
      +1
      16 August 2013 14: 27
      We do not simplify A.F. Losev to the level of a can and its contents. This is about different things. Yet, either, at the end of the 19th century, or, at the beginning of the 20th, on St. Mount Athos, among the monasteries there was a rule - do not put the economy of maloros (unspoken). So it is today! - Ukrainian, in the context and experience of the Russian-Russian Power, this is one thing. But he, in Ukraine, is different. It concerns everyone! - and everywhere
    2. +4
      16 August 2013 17: 32
      Since August 12, as reported in the FRU, the list of risky goods includes goods imported into Russia by more than 40 Ukrainian companies. Among them were PJSC "Ukrnafta", as well as a number of enterprises of businessman Dmitry Firtash, metallurgical, chemical and engineering companies, wrote the local press. Now all Ukrainian importers are on this list.

      The FRU sent a letter to the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov with a request at the intergovernmental level to convince the Russian leadership to resolve problems at Russian customs and to pass Ukrainian goods, as before.
      The Russian government said that at the cabinet level, orders to tighten import controls were not given.

      Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Viktor Yanukovych during a telephone conversation discussed issues related to customs clearance of goods at the border of the two countries.

      THINK, POLICIES OF NON-GRAVING UKRAINE. HINT SPECIFIC. JOIN THE EU - get the EU goods. And why do we need them in the TS? So there will be a dropout .... Nothing, you will get used to it if you don’t get your mind for the remaining time ....
  17. +1
    16 August 2013 14: 03
    Quote: polly
    Brothers Ukrainians! Do not believe the sweet-voiced European sirens with a shark face!

    Really shark muzzle. and you can add: reptilian mindset
  18. zmey_gadukin
    -17
    16 August 2013 14: 03
    Starikov - the court "historian" of the Kremlin ... and now he has turned into agitators ... pichal (
  19. 0
    16 August 2013 14: 06
    everyone is scared ... tomorrow we are scared tomorrow, and then the conditions are set for what needs to be done to avoid this ... goals are set. Today in Ukraine there is no single goal, but it’s still scary, because they cannot come up with other arguments ... the system is imprisoned for this fear ... and this is a question of attitude towards life in general ... here is a person (author) looking at it through this system, but ... there is such: “Whenever they say:“ Life is a difficult test, ”I want to ask:“ Compared to what? ” (c) (Sidney Harris).
  20. zemlyak
    +4
    16 August 2013 14: 06
    Quote: Kars
    in the 1990 year (when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union) and in the 2010 - after almost 20 years of its independence. The numbers speak for themselves - after the collapse of the USSR, the "independent" Ukrainian economy rapidly degraded.


    Can you have similar data for the Russian Federation, Belarus, Kazakhstan?
    Although the author modestly did not cite figures as such.
    Kazakhstan to the level of 1991 can’t get out, the pipe only saves
  21. +7
    16 August 2013 14: 08
    Quote: Corneli
    Quote: Tykta
    yeah) stock up on popcorn, wait for the comments of Ukrainians) pure semantics of discourse to pee)))

    And what kind of semantics can we talk about here?) Here they are only politics, the economy does not smell ...
    As an example, slogans in the style - "If they (Ukraine) go to the EU, they will immediately be ruined and there will be no trade in the vehicle with them ..." As for ruin, the question is controversial ... ruin what? And what about trading with the TS, why can't we trade with them? If, for example, Russia needs pipes and we need gas, then we can trade without the EU (like right now), it will be more profitable for us to trade these goods in the CU, but we won't be able to do it in the EU?belay
    Russia is wonderfully trading with the same France, Germany, and for some reason there are fewer problems there than with Ukraine. So fairy tales do it all, but twist it ...
    P.S. I’m curious, are foreign (EU, China there) cargoes right now also with thousands of trucks and wagons at the border, like the Ukrainian ones? Or, in their attitude, the customs officers did not have a sudden brain collapse (and the excuses that the customs guys can’t read the new documents for several days and that’s why the zvezdozit is happening at the border .... I even xs what it looks like, such a mega-black PR trade )

    and to you (in your person to all Ukrainians) my dear Ukrainian friend Russia owes nothing. As we consider it necessary, we do so. As they say, live richly and for a long time, but the relationship is only in terms of benefits for ours and yours.
    1. Corneli
      -1
      16 August 2013 14: 18
      Quote: Ragnarek
      and to you (in your person to all Ukrainians) my dear Ukrainian friend Russia owes nothing. As we consider it necessary, we do so. As they say, live richly and for a long time, but the relationship is only in terms of benefits for ours and yours.

      The prerogative to talk about "debts" is only Russian), where did you read there, what would I say about debts?) And what about the "Russian benefits" from such steps ... We did not think that those Ukrainian goods, rotting and rusting at the border, were ordered for some reason and were going to buy in Russia? And since they did not come, then something will be built later, less will be sold and, accordingly, the citizens of Russia will incur losses (they will not make a profit). but the main thing is to put the dust in your eyes.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        0
        16 August 2013 14: 28
        Quote: Corneli
        Russian citizens will suffer losses

        I said yesterday that everyone will suffer losses. But the broad Russian soul, believes that these losses are a drop in the bucket.
        Interestingly, does any of such commentators have their own business, tied to deliveries from Ukraine?
        1. +6
          16 August 2013 14: 52
          Yes, we are waiting for delivery. If we do not wait, we will buy accessories in China. Let's assemble it yourself. No problem.
          1. zmey_gadukin
            -2
            16 August 2013 14: 57
            Quote: a52333
            If you do not wait, buy in China.

            Is China better? Cheaper? In deferment?
            I'm not foolish, just interesting.
            For a long time he worked with Russian counterparts simply.
            1. +3
              16 August 2013 17: 37
              “The earth is round, and who runs after whom is not yet known!” M. Zhvanetsky
          2. Corneli
            0
            16 August 2013 17: 18
            Quote: a52333
            Yes, we are waiting for delivery. If we do not wait, we will buy accessories in China. Let's assemble it yourself. No problem.

            This is probably how profitable! Do not wait for supplies out of the blue, conclude a new contract with whom! And wait .... Well, the fact that you already have your contract broken due to stupid downtime) Well, Duc is the norm! The main thing Ukraine is "bent"
  22. Vtel
    +11
    16 August 2013 14: 22
    So not the topic.

    “Sema, this is a paradox!” When I lived in the USSR, Jews were to blame for everything. Then I lived in Russia, and again the Jews were to blame.
    “Well, where is the paradox, Monya?”
    “You didn’t finish listening, Sema!” Now I live in Israel. And you know who is to blame for everything ?!

    "If money can solve a problem, then it's not a problem, it's a cost."
    Jewish wisdom.

    - Rabinovich, what do you think is stronger: knowledge or feeling?
    - Feeling!
    - Why not?
    “I know that I owe Dodik a five-house, but I feel ... I will not give it up.”

    - Grandfather, grandfather, and today in the column "Nationality" I wrote sho
    I am Russian!
    - Granddaughters, how much did you get pocket money every day in school?
    - stolnik grandfather!
    - Here, and now you will receive a rupe., Like all Russian children

    A Jew pulls a goldfish out of the sea.
    Fish looks at him suspiciously.
    - Jew?
    - Yes.
    - Better fry ...
    1. +5
      16 August 2013 15: 25
      in addition to your jokes))

      a Jew caught a goldfish. a fish said to him: “Speak quickly of your two desires, I’m in a hurry. Hebrew, I need a Tel Aviv-New York. Fish bridge: why do you need this bridge.” let's consider the second desire! - Well then, make sure that we are not considered Jews mean. the fish looked at the Jew and answered him: -so, what bridge did you want? cable or simple?
  23. +12
    16 August 2013 14: 35
    I am sincerely sorry to lose the brothers. I am very sorry for the inevitable and irrevocable omission of the human potential of Ukraine.
    Integration into the EU market implies cutting out ANY of its production: intellectual, agricultural, industrial, etc. This process will lead to the degradation of higher specialized education and science. There will be the same state of clerks, waiters and prostitutes, so in the countries of Eastern Europe.
    But, strange, honestly, our struggle for unity with Ukraine looks like. She doesn’t need it. Inside her there are no forces capable of looking at least a quarter century ahead.
    So, you need to get used to the fact that this is not a fraternal state, but with a fraternal people request It’s hard how ...
    To pull the situation at the expense of Russia-nafig need. Only to fill the price and disorient them. It seems that from the sincere "Guys, aren't you scared?", They see only calculation and self-interest.
    Take a walk, brothers. Gather your mind, live as you want.
    With tough calculation and self-interest, you will very quickly get to know on the opposite side of a strange world.
  24. +1
    16 August 2013 14: 50
    Quote: Corneli
    Quote: Ragnarek
    and to you (in your person to all Ukrainians) my dear Ukrainian friend Russia owes nothing. As we consider it necessary, we do so. As they say, live richly and for a long time, but the relationship is only in terms of benefits for ours and yours.

    The prerogative to talk about "debts" is only Russian), where did you read there, what would I say about debts?) And what about the "Russian benefits" from such steps ... We did not think that those Ukrainian goods, rotting and rusting at the border, were ordered for some reason and were going to buy in Russia? And since they did not come, then something will be built later, less will be sold and, accordingly, the citizens of Russia will incur losses (they will not make a profit). but the main thing is to put the dust in your eyes.

    Here read what and why at customs http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_27351/
    1. Corneli
      0
      16 August 2013 17: 44
      Quote: Ragnarek
      Here read what and why at customs http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_27351/

      I read, a beautiful manipulation of words), for example corny, this:
      "So, the Ukrainian side is determined to sign an Association Agreement with the European Union. This means the automatic closure of the Eurasian markets." - With what fright ?! Russia trades (and reports an increase in trade with the same EU countries, already at a run). And then bam! and how cut off!)
      Think, maybe you will start yourself? And not "urya-report"!
      P.S. Here you are, clever Russian commentators, who are so rooting for Ukrainian brothers-relatives (it was not sarcasm! Our oligarchs have nothing to do with it). Think, think ... in Ukraine, everything seems to be bad, but our government (oligarchs) rattles off about the "reduced". And lose, a couple of inadequate (although you may think they are correct, you have your own oligarchs) steps and voila! There is a super otmaza - everything was normal, but the inadequate Kremlin screwed up everything out of the blue (and try to argue, after such numbers!) from the EU! And this is what ordinary Ukrainians will think, not the oligarchs (they have their own interests and their interests in the population ...)
      As an example: "Who do you think will be blamed 1 to the laid-off workers of" Roshen "1. Its owner, the oligarch Poroshenko?
      2. Russia - whose government, for the sake of its policy, "rejected" supplies to itself on a problem that was sucked from the finger?
      And if, on such "smart" moves of the Russian government, you can also skillfully play (and I think you know the "overseas specialists") ... then you will "have what you have" in the negative sense of the word.
      1. +6
        16 August 2013 23: 08
        Quote: Corneli
        And this means the automatic closure of the Eurasian markets. "- With what fright ?!

        But the EU has already warned that then - no trade "to the left", that is, with the Russian Federation. ONLY with the EU!
  25. +4
    16 August 2013 14: 52
    Who needs Lviv and several other regions of Ukraine, I think, there’s no need to speak - Poland. After all, Ukrainian historians, as established ones, are ready with foam at the mouth to prove the illegality of the Non-aggression Treaty between Germany and the USSR, which they call the Pact. Since it’s illegal, return Lviv to its rightful owner.
    Galicia is a cancerous tumor, if not cut off, the entire organism will die. Russia and Ukraine would still be together, without the "Bendera" it would be better.
  26. +4
    16 August 2013 14: 52
    I suppose that after the signing of the association agreement, the migration of Ukrainian enterprises to Russia will be planned, if possible, otherwise the EU will close the technical regulations, this will be a loss of business for someone
    1. zmey_gadukin
      +3
      16 August 2013 15: 00
      Quote: saag
      migration of Ukrainian enterprises to Russia

      Probably.
      Politics by politics, and business will agree.
  27. +2
    16 August 2013 15: 04
    In my opinion, Boguslaev already has a plant in Russia :-)
    1. fastblast
      +2
      16 August 2013 16: 41
      And Poroshenko also
  28. Valery Neonov
    +2
    16 August 2013 15: 08
    Quote: Kars
    I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))

    I will quote the statement of our "sworn friend", it seems to me that it fully answers your question: "It is impossible to overdo it, stressing that without Ukraine Russia ceases to be an empire, while with Ukraine ... Russia automatically becomes an empire. " And two years ago he spoke on the same topic: "If Ukraine does not survive, Russia will again turn into an empire."- no comments

    see http: //newsland.com/news/detail/id/809035/
    1. +2
      16 August 2013 15: 16
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      emphasizing that without Ukraine Russia ceases to be an empire

      C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and the Mighty cannot do without Ukraine)))
      Would leave us alone.
      1. +4
        16 August 2013 17: 47
        The actions of our customs officers on the Russian-Ukrainian border indicate that they decided to see where we have the most significant shortfalls in imports and plug these very holes. It seems that this is an attempt to solve the problem of filling the Russian budget.

        The damage will depend on the scale of the problem. If this story drags on and turns into queues at checkpoints, it will be a scandal. The situation will be quickly corrected. If the queues do not grow (for example, customs officers will transfer additional forces to the border), then control at the border will become better. Some part of the "gray" imports will become "white" or start traveling through Belarus.

        It is impossible to imagine that we will stop importing from Ukraine. Yes, and lengthy customs inspection - this does not mean the suspension of imports. This is just an increase in time loss.

        The cry raised in Ukraine is possibly related to the fact that someone was engaged in "gray" imports and now fears that tighter control will end this profitable business. "
      2. avt
        +1
        17 August 2013 12: 06
        Quote: Kars
        C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and the Mighty cannot do without Ukraine)))
        Would leave us alone.

        This is to Bzezhinsky in America. At the expense of peace, well, they leave, the EBN's covenant is already - got up in the morning and think what you did for Ukraine, removed. GDP, in the spirit of the European Union, sent you a customs "message", in the sense of showing how it will separate flies from cutlets. So everything is fine, without hysterics in the spirit - business and nothing personal, and warned more than once before. But this is again perceived as infringement of the square, well, there's nothing you can do about it - a clinic.
    2. +4
      16 August 2013 15: 30
      Quote: Valery Neon

      I will quote the statement of our "sworn friend", it seems to me that it fully answers your question: "It is impossible to overdo it, emphasizing that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, with Ukraine ... Russia automatically becomes an empire. " And two years ago he spoke on the same topic: "If Ukraine does not survive, Russia will again turn into an empire."- no comments

      Observing the events of recent years, I begin to establish myself in the thought that the well-known Mr. simply threw in the virus so that we could fight it and defeat it, spending time and resources on the unthinkable.
      Russia will not be an empire. She will be a regional Power. At first love
      With or without Ukraine.
      Brzezinski, in his statement, pulls the blanket too far on the axis: America-Europe-Russia. IMHO, this is very strange. I would consider my Russia as a hub between the Asia-Pacific and the Old World.
      There will be Ukraine in the Old World, or it will be part of the Hub - the Russian Federation, the second thing.
      This is not a strategic objective.
      What Brzezinski does and says, the old fox is a sabotage designed to divert time and resources to the secondary.
  29. georg737577
    +14
    16 August 2013 15: 09
    1: I think the Ukrainian "elite" should be afraid of their own people. Sooner or later, there will be a reaction.
    2: The same applies to all other countries of the former USSR, whose "elites" are mostly uncaught criminals.
    3: Each country must go its own way of becoming; Naturally, on this path there will be very difficult moments, both political and economic. Ukraine is now experiencing just such a situation.
    4: Neither the EU nor the CU will help the country get rid of the parasitic "pseudo-elites", and the replacement of some bandits with others does not fundamentally change anything. Neither Russia nor the European Union can give freedom and prosperity to Ukraine, because they themselves do not have it.
    Conclusion: until the people wake up and understand that they must take power into their own hands, no economic and political unions will save them from the position of slaves of the oligarchy. I understand that this process will take a lot of time, and the struggle will not be bloodless. But I see no other way.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      +3
      16 August 2013 15: 50
      nothing to add ... just +
  30. +7
    16 August 2013 15: 15
    to drive all Bendera to Lviv and Lviv region to give to Poland. Crimea of ​​Russia - for ours is rightfully. Romanians cookie. And what will remain and will be free Ukraine. Then peace and grace will come in Ukraine, because there will be no contradictions.

    In general, what is easily given is appreciated. It so happened from time immemorial that the lands must be conquered. But modern Ukraine got everything for free. That's why they lead like that.
  31. Valery Neonov
    0
    16 August 2013 15: 21
    Quote: Kars
    C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and Mighty cannot do without Ukraine))

    This is Brzezinski’s opinion, and not complexes of anyone’s, but you can’t call him a fool. hi
    1. +1
      16 August 2013 15: 47
      Quote: Valery Neon

      This is Brzezinski’s opinion, and not complexes of anyone’s, but you can’t call him a fool. hi

      Information campaign strategists (leaders of special propaganda), as a rule, are not fools feel
      Look at the Brzez with this TZ love
      1. +2
        16 August 2013 16: 07
        Quote: BigRiver
        Look at Brzez with this tz

        Well, when it’s profitable to look on the one hand, when it is not profitable on the other, it’s just charming.
        1. +3
          16 August 2013 16: 42
          Quote: Kars
          Quote: BigRiver
          Look at Brzez with this tz

          Well, when it’s profitable to look on the one hand, when it is not profitable on the other, it’s just charming.

          As a professional in my industry, I evaluate an adversary according to my qualifications.
          Judging by your opinion, you are either young or vicious by calling.
          On the subject of profitability - you have to go to the market of Kiev and Moscow. And there carefully study the QUESTION.
          I do not navigate there.
          There will be questions for the rest - please!
          Ches word, you upset me. It was thought that a person studying WAR acquires a lot of related knowledge.
          1. +2
            16 August 2013 16: 48
            Quote: BigRiver
            Judging by your opinion, you are either young or vicious by calling

            You can look at it from the side that suits you.
            Quote: BigRiver
            this you have to go to the market of Kiev and Moscow. And there carefully study the QUESTION.

            Is Brzezinski selling there, piece by piece or by weight?
            1. +6
              16 August 2013 17: 04
              Quote: Kars

              Is Brzezinski selling there, piece by piece or by weight?

              Kars, are you heading for self-deception?
              Why are you stupid with the Russian language? Does it promote you as a person?
              Okay, do not want respect for yourself, to hell with you!
              Now about Brzez fellow
              In my humble opinion, this POLYAK wants to play a cool game - the Slavs are against themselves.
              For this, a thesis, taken from the sky, was invented about the fact that: "Russia without Ukraine is NOT an Empire."
              If you take a sober look at the situation ... Such a ruling loads Ukraine with a nonexistent value, and Russia - an impossible task.
              Right? IMHO, super !!!
              1. +1
                16 August 2013 17: 11
                Quote: BigRiver
                Kars, are you heading for self-deception?

                Of course
                Quote: BigRiver
                Okay, do not want respect for yourself, to hell with you!

                Why do I need it? Respect for unfamiliar people?
                Quote: BigRiver
                For this, a thesis, taken from the sky, was invented about the fact that: "Russia without Ukraine is NOT an Empire."

                Quote: Kars
                C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and the Mighty cannot do without Ukraine)))
                Would leave us alone.
                1. +1
                  16 August 2013 17: 35
                  Quote: Kars
                  Quote: BigRiver
                  Kars, are you heading for self-deception?

                  Of course
                  Quote: BigRiver
                  Okay, do not want respect for yourself, to hell with you!

                  Why do I need it? Respect for unfamiliar people?
                  Quote: BigRiver
                  For this, a thesis, taken from the sky, was invented about the fact that: "Russia without Ukraine is NOT an Empire."

                  Quote: Kars
                  C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and the Mighty cannot do without Ukraine)))
                  Would leave us alone.
                  ...
                  It was a conversation between the "brothers".
                  1. +1
                    16 August 2013 20: 40
                    Quote: BigRiver
                    It was the conversation of the "brothers"

                    Neighbors
  32. essenger
    +4
    16 August 2013 15: 42
    I want to talk a little about the CU and trade wars. As we know, the Russians started a trade war against the Ukrainians and we were "invited" to take part in this, naturally on the side of the Russians. We are talking about Roshen sweets, which is estimated to occupy 20 percent of the confectionery market in KZ. In Kazakhstan, Ukrainians are loved, respected and considered a fraternal people. But I don't know whether it is mutual or not))) So, we refused to participate in this. Now it turned out that Onishchenko "found" something in Kazakh juices, the trade war is already starting against us. This may end with Kazakhstan's withdrawal from the Customs Union.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      +1
      16 August 2013 15: 51
      Seriously??? Suddenly...
      1. essenger
        +3
        16 August 2013 15: 57
        Quote: zmey_gadukin
        Seriously???

        Yes
        1. zmey_gadukin
          0
          16 August 2013 16: 19
          Here you have an ally ...
          It is strange, why then was the fence in the garden? And sing about the prospects of the Russian-Kazakh partnership.
    2. +1
      17 August 2013 05: 16
      Zadolbali, It turns out that Russia offends everyone and Ukraine and Kazakhstan and the Baltic states and the United States and Geyrop.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        0
        17 August 2013 13: 41
        for the Baltic states, usa, geyropov was there a conversation?
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  34. 12345
    +3
    16 August 2013 16: 02
    I would like to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared? One with such wealth ...


    Who told you that they are "alone"? Naive ...

    THEM have many "good friends" in Israel. Just those who gave money at one time to buy these very "places in the elite." Citizenship has already been prepared there.

    So, do not be so kind as to worry: Ukrainian "wealth" is in "reliable hands." Some people have a "good deal" on this. As they say in Odessa: "It was yours - it is ours!"
    We are waiting for the next walk of the company "in white tunics" from the "Ukrainian elite" through the Sinai desert, through the "holy places", "along the path of Moses".

    By analogy with the well-known walk along the same route in the same outfits of the "Russian elite".
  35. MG42
    +7
    16 August 2013 16: 10
    Yesterday I wrote on this topic that the policy of independence is impossible due to weakness, and was a mistake in itself, all countries around Ukraine are uniting, either in the EU or in the Customs Union >>> Euroazs. Ukraine stands still and is stuck in a crisis since 2008, there is no growth in the economy.
    So it should be determined soon.
    Independence is beneficial only to the top Ukrainian and oligarchs to enrich themselves and simultaneously increase the enormous stratification of the population. Someone is retiring 1000 UAH, and someone is registering 1 million UAH. legal income per month and is not shy .. Especially with dividends, which until recently have not been taxed ..
    The minimum pension in Ukraine from January 1, 2013 will be equal to 894 UAH. This was reported by the press service of the Pension Fund of Ukraine.

    Those. $ 111 At the same time, a pensioner will not live on utilities and buy just that money, but it is unrealistic to buy clothes unless he can afford a second-hand.
    Such a large stratification in theory can only lead to social upheaval and revolution, not just an orange quiet and controlled, but with blood and burning Lexuses and broken windows of expensive boutiques ..

    A country that is not in unions only receives duties on its hump ..
  36. +3
    16 August 2013 16: 23
    Hmm! It is sad, however, for the neighbors, the Slavs! And here - "Well, Crimea must be returned to Turkey, in extreme cases - to the Crimean Tatars." It would be right for Russia to return what Com. Khrushchev mischievous!
    1. MG42
      +4
      16 August 2013 16: 37
      Quote: taseka
      Hm! Sad however, for the neighbors, the Slavs!

      Here you also need to emphasize that we are not talking about joining the EU at all. They don’t see Ukraine there, they can’t digest their last expansion at the expense of Romania and Bulgaria .. Croatia really entered this year and that’s all ..
      An association agreement exists, for example, Turkey has several. decades ago, but the EU does not shine ..
      1. +4
        17 August 2013 03: 36
        Quote: MG42
        Here you also need to emphasize that we are not talking about joining the EU at all. Ukraine is not seen there


        So there’s a normal bargaining, stuffing up the price.
        And only the West benefits from this ...
        1. MG42
          +2
          17 August 2013 13: 59
          Wait and see .. autumn is just around the corner there everything will become clear ..

          Ukraine should develop the production of high-quality agricultural products with higher added value. This was told by the president of the American-Ukrainian Business Council (USUBC) Morgan Williams, according to Latifundist.com.

          Ukraine has already exported 22,4 million tons of grain

          Today, he says, the need for global food safety is growing in the world, because the population is growing, the production of biofuels.

          "All this means that people will buy more high-quality food. Therefore, ensuring food safety is very important," the American expert states.

          Will Ukraine be able to position itself so as to become a world leader in the agricultural sector? This is the main question today that they want to hear the answer from the Ukrainian government in the world, the president of the American-Ukrainian Business Council emphasizes. In his opinion, Ukraine can seriously answer this challenge. Moreover, the world is ready to buy a Ukrainian product.

          "Recently, the United States said that they are ready to buy everything that is produced in Ukraine at a high price. And Ukraine can make serious efforts to prevent a shortage of products on the world market," he says.

          However, what exactly to deliver is also important, the president of the American-Ukrainian Business Council places particular emphasis.

          "Traditionally, Ukraine is the world's food basket, supplying grain to foreign markets. However, I do not think that this is the future for Ukraine. Ukraine can and should export various types of food with a higher added value. The future of Ukraine is the export of high-quality food," he summed up Morgan Williams.

          http://ubr.ua/market/agricultural-market/-gotovy-pokupat-po-vysokoi-cene-vse-cht

          o-proizvoditsia-v-kraine-233525
          1. 0
            18 August 2013 05: 32
            Quote: MG42
            Wait and see .. autumn is just around the corner there everything will become clear ..

            "Fear the Danaans, who bring gifts" ...
  37. MG42
    +9
    16 August 2013 16: 25
    It is bad, of course, that such decisions are held without an all-Ukrainian referendum, then I think there would be fewer questions .. But they themselves reached it when already from Moscow and from Brussels ambiguous ultimatum statements began to be heard.
    But our prime minister clown allegedly does not hear everything and recently spoke out that we will sign an agreement with the EU, and at the same time we will be observers and in good relations with the CU .. As the saying goes fabulous .... lol
  38. Leon779
    +3
    16 August 2013 16: 27
    and the gentleman with the words "Gut, Slavic pig, gut!" throws scraps into the mud and laughing leaves, and the beggar throws himself into the mud for his handout, after which he returns to his place and begins to lament again: “Let me in please!” Which country is here as a supplicant, I think everyone understands.

    Oh fu, how beautifully written stop
    1. Corneli
      -1
      16 August 2013 18: 02
      Quote: Leon779
      Oh fu, it's not beautifully written stop

      Everything is beautiful there ... there are many advantages)
  39. +4
    16 August 2013 16: 27
    Quote: BigRiver
    I am sincerely sorry to lose the brothers. I am very sorry for the inevitable and irrevocable omission of the human potential of Ukraine.
    Integration into the EU market implies cutting out ANY of its production: intellectual, agricultural, industrial, etc. This process will lead to the degradation of higher specialized education and science. There will be the same state of clerks, waiters and prostitutes, so in the countries of Eastern Europe.
    But, strange, honestly, our struggle for unity with Ukraine looks like. She doesn’t need it. Inside her there are no forces capable of looking at least a quarter century ahead.
    So, you need to get used to the fact that this is not a fraternal state, but with a fraternal people request It’s hard how ...
    To pull the situation at the expense of Russia-nafig need. Only to fill the price and disorient them. It seems that from the sincere "Guys, aren't you scared?", They see only calculation and self-interest.
    Take a walk, brothers. Gather your mind, live as you want.
    With tough calculation and self-interest, you will very quickly get to know on the opposite side of a strange world.

    Hello dear "BigRiver"! Totally agree with you. good Not understanding the real situation and not looking forward, they believe in sweet promises and beautiful fairy-tale palaces for ALL EU citizens without exception.
    But after touching reality, Ukrainian citizens will realize that European Palaces exist, but only for the respected founding citizens of the EU. Citizens of the new East European countries could only be in them as servants and in shift work.

    Those couples of dozens of "Ukrainian sons of the people" (oligarchs, corrupt pan-European politicians) will also be able to temporarily stay there, but only while they will regularly share money with the "senior" / handcrafted godfathers and politicians will have some kind of polit. popularity.
    And the "beautiful laws" from the European Court of Justice will work for only those who have at least 60-100 thousand euros for lawyers in Brussels, in other words, again ONLY for compassionate and well-to-do people (1-2% ).
    The poor and the poor, without complaining, will be forced to crawl into the kennels ...

    On the other hand, the patriots of the Union donated to naive citizens of Ukraine, the benefits of living together in the Customs Union,
    until the gullible "Ukrainian scholars" fall right down to the very bottom of the "cesspool of the West," the current friendly advice from Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan - they will not understand.
    How does the old Ukrainian proverb say "for one beaten, two unbeaten give" !?

    I personally fear only one thing, as if after the beginning and in the very process of Ukraine's entry into the EU (it can be from 2 to 6 years), my native Ukraine did not recognize the "Caucasian path", i.e. would not fall apart into various small pieces, since it has plenty of "western friends" (Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Turkey).
    But in this case only an exact definition comes to mind / Ukrainian.
    "Do not hit the grim, do not cross the fool"! fool

    So if in Ukraine "awareness and enlightenment" itself comes with a delay, then the forces and blood of ordinary citizens will need much more,
    for the final turn of Ukraine to fraternal Slavic peoples, i.e. Russia and Belarus.
    1. +2
      16 August 2013 18: 22
      Quote: michajlo

      Hello dear "BigRiver" ..

      Good day! hi
      It seems that in Ukraine there is no such optimism.
      Everything goes to the fact that they want to feel SEPARATE people.
      I'm right, Kars?
  40. Martar
    +4
    16 August 2013 16: 30
    As soon as Ukraine enters the EU, they will start pumping up arms and a neo-fascist ideology, younger generations will nurture this, and will crowd the majority of the sane population with a mass grown on slogans and hatred for their own kind. The template by which Ukraine is being reformed is already there and tested, this is the template of Serbia. The tools and mechanisms may be different, but the essence is the same, the more pieces a country breaks up, the harder it will be to assemble afterwards and the weaker each piece individually will be - this is a fact, we all have seen this for ourselves.
    People, look more broadly at what is happening in the world, the task of Western civilization is to cut off Russia's access to the Black and Mediterranean Sea (by Russia, I mean not the Russian Federation, but the territory inhabited by Slavic peoples). Who does not believe in this, open the political map and see in which countries and in which territories wars and divisions have swept over the past 20 years, where are the conflicts and confrontations of some countries / peoples to others, and you will see that the ring around Russia is shrinking. The chain is clearly traced: Tunisia - Egypt - Libya - Syria - Iran - Russia - China - India (India - China), if you turn off Ukraine now, the link "Russia" will be much easier to break. By the way, not long before the start of the "Arab Spring" there were a lot of shouts from Ukrainian radicals and attempts to get rid of the Russian naval base in Sevastopol, but this did not work out. This is one of the reasons that the US Navy did not manage to build up its grouping in the Mediterranean to support the Syrian rebels and withdrew its ships from there.
    Finally open your eyes, look at what is happening around you not because of your fence, but from a bird's eye view, become free not in deeds, but free mind and you will see and understand everything, there is nothing hidden, everything is on the surface, you just need to find the strength in itself to drop something philistine and petty in itself, to rise above it and look around itself without the prisms of stereotypes, labels and conventions imposed on us by those who want to dictate to everyone how to live and what to do, for whom there is no difference between Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Chechens, Dagestanis, Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc.
  41. Serafim1983
    +4
    16 August 2013 16: 31
    Lawlessness is created by agents of influence, to them pkh.y national interests. Ukraine is likely to be fragmented due to the internal crisis and the decline in living standards, only then Russia and Belarus will be able to help the fraternal people .... The bitter fate of our brothers ....
  42. +7
    16 August 2013 16: 35
    Quote: eplewke
    haha !!! Well, a photo. Photoshop for them as a gift!

    This is after photoshop.
    Before him it was even worse.
    And the place of Ukraine in the European chicken coop will be lower than the lower pole.
    1. +2
      17 August 2013 03: 29
      Quote: Ulysses
      Quote: eplewke
      haha !!! Well, a photo. Photoshop for them as a gift!

      This is after photoshop.
      Before him it was even worse.
      And the place of Ukraine in the European chicken coop will be lower than the lower pole.


      A full-fledged chicken coop: "Climb higher, peck at the neighbor, shit the bottom!" (+)
  43. S_mirnov
    +4
    16 August 2013 16: 36
    I look and am moved by this picture. Russian losers teach the life of Ukrainian losers! And the situation in their countries does not depend on those and on others, they gave all the people's wealth to the oligarchs, they allowed the merchants to power, they sit naked and they point fingers at each other!
    I would like to ask Comrade Starikova - can we begin to restore order from our country? Or is it scary with her? You can also get the teeth from the authorities, but in Ukraine you can bark without fear.
    And so Ukrainian bastards bark at Russia, and Russian at Ukraine. a kind of verbal anonism, there is a movement, but the result is 0.
    1. fastblast
      +5
      16 August 2013 16: 52
      read, read comments, wanted to write something, reply ...
      and at the end right to the bull's eye!

      nothing to add)
    2. zmey_gadukin
      0
      16 August 2013 16: 58
      Quote: S_mirnov
      I would like to ask Comrade Starikova - can we begin to restore order from our country?

      I wrote there above that Starikov is a court "historian" of the Kremlin ... he will not write such a thing, because it is not ordered ...
      1. S_mirnov
        -1
        16 August 2013 19: 40
        Of course it won't! It was a rhetorical question. wink
    3. Su-9
      +1
      17 August 2013 02: 34
      S_mirnov, you answered exactly as I wanted. +
  44. +1
    16 August 2013 16: 47
    I support, let them honor Karl Marx. "Capital" is more economic than political labor, but everything is very well described there: from the initial accumulation of capital to oligarchic capitalism (concerns, trusts, etc.). Everything is the same in Russia, only in contrast to Ukraine there is stability. I mean the political, and economically we are also stable - in the same place.
  45. +8
    16 August 2013 16: 59
    Recently, by chance, I had a chance to chat with young guys from Ukraine. I bring their main points:
    -Russian since the time of Peter I and Catherine destroyed Ukraine;
    -Russian Stalin and Russian Jews staged genocide and famine;
    -Russian forced to fight with the Germans, but it was necessary to negotiate and now would live as in Germany;
    -Russian in Soviet times traveled around Ukraine;
    -Russians now do not want to go around Ukraine;
    -Russian in Russia are Tatars and Ugrians;
    -Russian are Ukrainians.
    The brain was poisoned, it wasn’t funny.
  46. +5
    16 August 2013 17: 00
    I would like to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared? One with such wealth on the “big European road” ... Do not lose that our grandfathers shared and multiplied?

    Russia and Ukraine are not independent states. The political elites of the countries are more or less controlled by the amers of their vassals. In order not to lose what our grandfathers created, we need to restore the sovereignty of Russia. Then the process of reunification of the state, Ukraine and Russia in particular will be launched. If this will not happen, Ukraine will collapse. Part will go to Poland, part of Romania, Crimea will be the second of Kosovo.
  47. +8
    16 August 2013 17: 08
    It seems so. They won’t think it over. There are those who are with Russia. There are those with prosrat. Gain strength, take it. All. Three countries to gather, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia in ONE, and you can dictate to everyone, even China. Butsku president, intelligence prime minister.
  48. +5
    16 August 2013 17: 10
    Quote: Kars
    And can similar data on the Russian Federation, Belarus


    I’m not talking about gas / oil ... but about metal smelting, a few years ago they said in boxes that in Russia they crossed the level of 90th or 91th ...
    ... Rosstat website is full of information
    1. +1
      16 August 2013 20: 47
      Quote: nod739
      I’m not talking about gas / oil ... but about metal smelting, several years ago they said in boxes that in Russia they crossed the level of 90th or 91

      Just a few years ago?
      Ukraine in June rose from tenth to eighth place among the world's largest steel producers. Steel production last month amounted to 3,060 million tons, which is almost 8% more than in June 2012.

      I don’t know how much it was in 1990
  49. +1
    16 August 2013 17: 23
    Quote: Kars
    ...

    Heard and documented.
  50. +2
    16 August 2013 17: 52
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    Is China better? Cheaper?

    But you will not believe it is better. Something I have not heard about Ukrainian components for computer technology, Ukrainian lasers and Ukrainian permanent magnets. But the Chinese are some of the best in the world. You already eat your pipes for main gas pipelines. But China will soon, with its pipes, go out (and already go out) to the whole world. Quality - not to compare with Harziz. Although I have a sin to complain about him. Your holey pipe feeds me well.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      0
      17 August 2013 22: 17
      hmm, so what?
      Well, if it’s better, then buy it.
      free will, not only Russia needs pipes
  51. val77
    -3
    16 August 2013 17: 53
    AGAIN the scribblers are completely fed up with whining. Every day some crap is published and I don’t even read it. The comments are especially funny: they are distracted, they all have a business, I feel sorry for them all, they all know about Ukraine :-)) they want to save the whole world, it’s funny.
    1. +4
      16 August 2013 18: 08
      I have already written about drug addicts. We won’t be able to convince you otherwise, but we have to warn you, otherwise things won’t turn out nicely.
    2. 0
      17 August 2013 05: 18
      Quote: val77
      AGAIN the scribblers are completely fed up with whining. Every day some crap is published and I don’t even read it. The comments are especially funny: they are distracted, they all have a business, I feel sorry for them all, they all know about Ukraine :-)) they want to save the whole world, it’s funny.

      It looks like you are ABSTRACT...Like an old man...
  52. +10
    16 August 2013 18: 03
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
    I do not understand the meaning of your ongoing disputes on the topic Russia-Ukraine

    I do not understand the permanent articles about Ukraine on Military Review)))
    Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
    This is the main, everything else, the ambitions of the rich elite transmitted to you through the media

    But do you mean that neo-imperial ambitions are not transferred? And your media are not paid or engaged.

    Well, it’s generally difficult for you to understand! For for you there is only one correct opinion (in all matters) - YOURS! Everything else is not even subject to consideration, but is subject to trolling! And by the way, the expression “imperial ambitions” towards Russia appeared only after England (the last of the countries that had a huge number of colonies, which gave it the right to be called an empire) lost its last colonies, which ended the imperial part of world history! Russia could be called an empire only because of its size (any other overseas territories did not allow this since there were practically none) Poland and Courland do not count - they themselves gave the title of prince to the Russian emperors - that was the time - they screwed up the war - put your ass up! Only Russia in its history has never exposed its ass to anyone, although there were a lot of people willing, and out of anger, the “harassment” began, including accusations of imperial ambitions! TOTALITARISM IN THE TIMES OF COMMUNISM is generally not a topic for discussion by Westerners - let them better look at their history (especially England, the USA and the Poles would do well to refresh their memory) And when in fraternal Ukraine politicians begin to pit two fraternal peoples against each other for the sake of momentary dividends - shame and disgrace! Always looks back into history - Russia is the only country that has managed to gather so many lands and peoples and not destroy their identity, culture, religion, etc.! No empire in the history of mankind has succeeded in this! The same “Americans” slaughtered up to 80 percent of the indigenous population of North America and drove the rest into reservations; a book about England is not enough to list its crimes in the colonies of Poland with its attempts to implant the Catholic faith on Russian soil (they came to us not only with a cross and a laurel branch) But it wouldn’t hurt for Ukrainians to stop and take another look at deep history and go through it to our time - otherwise they wouldn’t have to cry crocodile tears afterwards!
    1. +1
      16 August 2013 20: 48
      Quote: alexpro66
      Well, it’s generally difficult for you to understand! For for you there is only one correct opinion (in all matters) - YOURS!

      It’s not the same with you))) There is only your opinion and your fairy tales.
  53. fastblast
    +2
    16 August 2013 18: 06
    Indeed, what is more frightening and alarming is the rush of articles on the topic of Ukraine in the EU
    But even more fearful are the comments of some particularly excited citizens of the Russian Federation, who do not clearly hint that they know how to hold a weapon in their hands and call for a change in the state border of Ukraine.

    Guys, take it easy, especially regarding territorial integrity.

    Article 110. Encroachment on the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine

    1. Deliberate actions committed with the aim of changing the borders of the territory or state border of Ukraine to violate the procedure established by the Constitution of Ukraine, as well as public appeals or dissemination of materials with calls for such actions, -

    shall be punished by restraint of will for a term of up to three years or imprisonment for the same term.
    1. -1
      16 August 2013 19: 49
      Dear Yatsky is not a friend! The Russophobic undereducation of Ukraine exists only due to the stupid kindness (as always) of Russia. Denunciation of the so-called Great Treaty and there is no Ukraine and there is no way to call it.
      PS I repeat my position - Little Russians, Novorossians, etc., our brothers - Ukrainians - are enemies.

      And yet, it’s easy to suppress this undereducation - a week is enough. The main question is what to do with these Russophobes and parasites? After all, they blew their minds out with songs about 140000 history and so on. So hunger is just hunger.
      1. fastblast
        +5
        16 August 2013 20: 09
        this is of course a complete paragraph)))

        Sometimes it seems that patients from the department of borderline conditions are being released onto the forum to make a little row with words.
        1. zmey_gadukin
          0
          16 August 2013 21: 11
          Quote: Fastblast
          that patients from the department of borderline conditions are being released to the forum, to make a little row with words.

          this is not yet Eshka's cat, Avenher and boor...
    2. +4
      16 August 2013 20: 00
      Quote: Fastblast
      Indeed, what is more frightening and alarming is the rush of articles on the topic of Ukraine in the EU
      But even more fearful are the comments of some particularly excited citizens of the Russian Federation, who do not clearly hint that they know how to hold a weapon in their hands and call for a change in the state border of Ukraine.

      But don’t blame yourself, a soldier won’t hurt a child.

      Well, if you're serious. Russia, without Ukraine and Belarus, is, well, approximately like an armless, one-legged, deaf-blind disabled person. You stand too beautifully in Europe, that’s why you are needed, cynically, from the sovereign’s point of view, only, in Belarus, my brother, my niece, have two daughters, that is, I’m already a grandfather, consider it. And relatives in Ukraine, and Aunt Vera in Evpatoria.
      And this monument
      1. fastblast
        +2
        16 August 2013 20: 12
        All right, say it.
        But sometimes words from fraternal people cut the heart more powerfully than an enemy blade.

        If all these men have gathered here, where do so many emotions come from and why, for whom?
        1. zmey_gadukin
          +1
          16 August 2013 21: 12
          Quote: Fastblast
          If all these men have gathered here, where do so many emotions come from and why, for whom?

          I'm afraid that some of these "men" get 85 rubles per comment)))
          1. fastblast
            0
            16 August 2013 22: 25
            Unfortunately, my thoughts also occasionally slip through my mind.
            1. +1
              17 August 2013 02: 17
              I'm afraid that some of these "men" get 85 rubles per comment)))
              So. Admins, where are my money! I demand that it be transferred to the account of zmey_gadukin. Otherwise, a person strains in ways that are not childish, and for free, along the way.
              By the way, zmey_gadukin, where did you get the info about 85, no, well, I heard that it’s from half a hundred rubles to half a hundred dollars, but is Fdruk such an accurate number? Can you share the source? I promise, 25% of income. what I'm not greedy, bargaining is appropriate wink Oh, I’m making so many of these comments, I still have four more days on sick leave!
              1. zmey_gadukin
                0
                17 August 2013 13: 43
                seek and find
                There are plenty of freelancing sites, and these numbers are no longer a secret... but half a hundred bucks for a comment? Give me a link where to register, I’ll go get some money
          2. MG42
            +2
            17 August 2013 15: 16
            Quote: zmey_gadukin
            I'm afraid that some of these "men" get 85 rubles per comment))

            Where do these firewood come from? laughing How much is the Ukrainian brigade paid? lol
            1. zmey_gadukin
              0
              17 August 2013 22: 13
              and our ideological ones are crap for the idea
              I was shocked when I found out
              1. MG42
                +2
                18 August 2013 14: 32
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                and our ideological ones are crap for the idea

                Yes lol Yes, yes, that’s what I believed..
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                I was shocked when I found out

                85 rubles/comment, a bit fat for super trolls..
    3. +1
      17 August 2013 05: 30
      Please quote - who, where and when called for taking away the land from Ukraine with arms in hand? God forbid. This is what the Anglo-Saxons want.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        +1
        17 August 2013 13: 44
        Semyon Semenych...look for comments in articles about Ukraine by a certain Gecko. And there will be no questions.
        And not only him
  54. Peaceful military
    +2
    16 August 2013 20: 06
    So I want to ask the Ukrainian political elite: guys, aren't you scared?

    This?! HA, HA, HA! They are proud, ancient Ukrainians. They founded Kievan Rus. But out of kindness and naivety, out of pity, they let some foreign Russians feed on them and see how it turned out...
    And slaves, this is their job as slaves, because the fittest survives...
    Well, geyropa is all, well, they say so themselves, turn to us and that’s it...
    Oh brothers, brothers...
    1. +2
      16 August 2013 20: 23
      Quote: Peaceful military
      This?! HA, HA, HA! They are proud, ancient Ukrainians. They founded Kievan Rus. But out of kindness and naivety, out of pity, they let some foreign Russians feed on them and see how it turned out...
      And slaves, this is their job as slaves, because the fittest survives...
      Well, geyropa is all, well, they say so themselves, turn to us and that’s it...
      Oh brothers, brothers...

      There is such a thing called senseless and merciless. And it usually began in those parts. This is where the spring gradually contracts. But it’s not the Empire anymore, and they won’t calm you down.
      1. +3
        16 August 2013 20: 45
        what a modest guy, he hit the minus and ran away, however, the special forces came, they saw, they crap laughingMolodes. I respect you, sapper, all like me laughing
  55. +7
    16 August 2013 20: 34
    A parable about Russia's lifelong guilt before Ukraine

    Ukraine: We live badly because “bad Russians” (changed by censorship) live at our expense.
    Russia: Get independence.
    Time has passed ...
    Ukraine: We live poorly because “bad Russians” do not pay for gas transit at market prices.
    Russia: Well, we turn to market relations, then gas is also at market prices.
    Time has passed ...
    Ukraine: We live poorly because the “bad Russians” began to sell gas at high prices.
    Russia: If you want it cheaper, we can give a discount if you join the Customs Union.
    Time has passed ...
    Ukraine: We live poorly because the “bad Russians” stopped buying our candies and other goods.
    Russia: You want to trade with the EU.
    Time has passed ...
    Ukraine joined the EU.
    Ukraine: We live poorly because the “bad Russians” badly dissuaded us from the EU...
  56. +2
    16 August 2013 20: 47
    The article is imbued with begging, oh country Ukraine, our roots are with us. You feel good without us! They are independent when it comes to the dismemberment of Ukraine, God forbid, Russia needs to accept as many territories of industrial centers and agricultural lands as possible and that’s it, period. Let it be as it goes. I don’t understand all the fuss around this Ukraine, making decisions is up to them, each ship leads in the direction it wants. It’s unpleasant to read all this bullshit. Although I understand the author with his imperial views.
  57. +5
    16 August 2013 20: 53
    Quote: Fastblast
    But even more fearful are the comments of some particularly excited citizens of the Russian Federation, who do not clearly hint that they know how to hold a weapon in their hands and call for a change in the state border of Ukraine.

    Well, you don’t have to be afraid of these, Russia is not going to enter into an armed conflict with anyone at all (now this is more expensive anyway). And that Ukraine is now acting as an instrument against Russia is a fact, just remember about the buffer zone. And her government is trying with all its might to fulfill this role, regardless of the economy for the country. The future, looking at the Eastern European and Baltic countries, looks very vague (to put it mildly). The Russian government has apparently already decided that freedom is free. Well then, they must understand that it will do what it finds necessary, in its own interests. It looks like this is forever, if nothing changes in the internal situation of Ukraine(((.
    1. fastblast
      +5
      16 August 2013 22: 49
      I agree with you and especially support what you said about the internal situation!
      I have not yet fully understood the benefits that our “elites” will receive from joining the EU, but I am already sure that only they and the common people, as always, will benefit...
      From an economic point of view, I am more sympathetic to the CU, because even according to the State Statistics Committee, Ukraine’s exports with the CU countries in 2012 amounted to more than with Europe as a whole. I'm not even talking about the full revival and development of the military-industrial complex upon Ukraine's accession to the Customs Union.

      In short, unfortunately, you can’t cook porridge with our “house tormentors.”
      This is of course our problem and we have to fight it.
      1. Corneli
        0
        17 August 2013 03: 08
        Quote: Fastblast
        I have not yet fully understood the benefits that our “elites” will receive from joining the EU, but I am already sure that only they and the common people, as always, will benefit...

        Yes, nothing special, most likely they promised that they wouldn’t take it away. Actually, “our elites” are afraid to go to the Customs Union because they know that the “Russian elites” will “take over” them, because they are cooler and richer. That's all (And this is not humor, nor jokes... this is real life, for which we (the peoples of Russia, Ukraine) have to pay
  58. +1
    16 August 2013 21: 30
    Well done author! He said it briefly and precisely. Only now, I’m afraid, the political elite of Little Russia will not accept this call, since its interests are too far from the interests of the people.
  59. Stealth m
    +4
    16 August 2013 22: 02
    The author is right, but not everyone in Ukraine can use their own head, but like to play around with all sorts of gadgets, behind words and actions they do not see the reasons for what is happening, because of this they draw the wrong conclusions, we should enlighten them, but they are so carried away by themselves that you can't reach them. And the so-called “elite” is not even able to think about how and where their grandchildren will live, because in the West they did not like upstarts and always try to squeeze them out and throw them into the dustbin of time. But Russia is doing the right thing, no need to panic with your presumptuous brother, hunger will teach you to think.
  60. +3
    16 August 2013 22: 56
    In Ukraine they believe that the West will help them, as our rulers and romantics of the 90s naively thought.
    The Russian industry has not been able to recover from their “help” for more than 20 years and depends on the conditions of the oil and gas market.
    And on what will Ukraine depend, let the Slavic brothers think hard?
  61. sanych your division
    +1
    17 August 2013 01: 08
    As always. Ukrainian woodpeckers didn’t come to an agreement with our ghouls, but a simple worker gets hit on the head with a shovel
  62. +3
    17 August 2013 01: 25
    Quote: Kars
    I don’t know how much it was in 1990

    at one time, the USSR was ahead of the rest of the planet in the smelting of steel and cast iron, + all advanced smelting and welding technologies, or almost all were made in the USSR,
    a simple example - what kind of steel should be used to make the hatch of the Soyuz ship? if it must withstand a temperature difference of several hundred degrees, and ensure tightness....

    The essence of any industrial level is the average production of electricity. energy
    so here are the numbers:
    The level of current electricity generation in the Russian Federation is higher than in 90. not by much, but higher, having surpassed the 1990 (and not the best) level of the USSR about 5-6 years ago, while occupying 3rd place in the world, behind the USA and (not sure) China,
    The level of electricity production in Ukraine is currently two times less than the Russian Federation (per capita), and in general it is two times less than the USSR in 90.
    At the same time, half of all electricity is nuclear, part of it is exported (by the way, having joined the EU, you will have to take into account Bulgaria - some nuclear power plants will be closed. There can be no talk of exporting, because raw materials are small. And the raw materials are from abroad)
    the level of heavy industry - machine tools, machines, equipment in the Russian Federation from the level of 1990 is on average 1,5 times less (but growing) +/- slightly different for different industries, for primary materials (rolled products, raw materials, blanks...) - even a little higher level of 90 g, in Ukraine the same figure is 4 times less than the level of 90 (honestly, I don’t know if it’s growing or falling)
    The info is in the internet, scattered, with a bit of extrapolation... but overall the picture is clear
    in other words, we have screwed up the level of the USSR not badly, the Russian Federation as a whole has reached this level, where there is more where there is less, in Ukraine, however, this indicator is almost two times behind, .... in general, even before in the box one could hear that the collapse of industry in the 90s especially hit Ukraine...

    the fact that every 5th Balts is a state star worker, there is no rafa, no vef, there aren’t many kilek left either - and to hell with them. but my soul aches for Ukraine, my fellow Slavs are sitting in Kyiv (according to my passport, he is Ukrainian, and I am Russian... and have common ancestors)) )
    1. +2
      17 August 2013 05: 41
      How much does the guy have left?
      1. 0
        17 August 2013 06: 26
        Quote: Semen Semenych
        How much does the guy have left?


        "Joke-humor" - test good
  63. IGS
    +6
    17 August 2013 03: 05
    Everyone, good evening. I’m new here, or rather, I often read the forum, but I didn’t have to write. And I don’t particularly like it. But now, excuse me, it’s broken. I myself was somewhere on the sidelines of all these laws about banning adoption, protecting children from Western values, disputes with Ukrainians, Jews (in particular with the Professor, although he writes intelligently about tanks, but sometimes he is disingenuous), Georgians. I have never personally encountered anything like this in my life. In my story there are 3 characters: Russia, the European Union (represented by Greece) and Ukraine. There are specific people on each side, I won’t name names, because... This story is not even a month old, and you yourself will understand why.
    So, my Ukrainian friend married a Greek 10 years ago. For three years they could not have children, but God had mercy and they had twins, a boy and a girl, who are now 6 years old. They lived a comfortable life, neither poor nor rich, she stayed at home, her husband was categorically against her working, and this is not accepted among them, although she has 2 higher degrees and knows six languages, with the exception of her native Ukrainian and Russian. The crisis came, the Greeks almost began to travel to Africa as guest workers. He loses his business, poorly, poorly survives on some kind of income. But first reproaches began in her direction, then fists, the man began to break down out of powerlessness, one can understand him. I won’t go into these details, this is not the point. They are getting divorced. The children are automatically taken away from her, allowing her to see them 2 days a week, this is for the first year. The second court decision is due in a year. But it was clear from the very beginning that she would lose her children when court staff approached her lawyer and said: “You’re Greek! Why are you defending this b..?" By the way, it says a lot about what people in Europe think about Ukrainians...And how they are waiting for her there. I know this woman, and this could be said about anyone, but not about her. She decided to take her children to Ukraine no matter what, she had parents and relatives there, the children really liked it there. Because they had freemen there, in the good sense of the word. I’ll tell you why later. if it's interesting, somehow. This story really hurt my wife, she’s a Siberian, and who knows, he’ll understand, it’s better not to go against it, he’ll freeze you with his gaze. In general, the children were taken from Greece to Ukraine. And then the fun began... It turns out that my friend is not married at all, since there is no agreement between the countries and a marriage concluded in Greece is not considered valid in Ukraine. The children were listed in her Ukrainian passport, in general, it’s not a matter of legal subtleties, I lost my head in them. She seemed to sigh calmly, which means they won’t touch her here, she wasn’t going to set foot in Europe again, and she was beginning to face time there for taking her children out, and she breathed in this air of freedom for the most part. But Ukraine is integrating into Europe, they came to a friend, first a district police officer... In general, the kids were heading back to Greece, but the deadline was familiar. So they said, “Well, you came at the wrong time.” But now, I’ll tell you why I was childishly proud of my country for the first time, probably after I was accepted as a pioneer. The children and she left for Russia, where they thought they would have to live as illegal immigrants... but it turned out that here she received the right to live and work peacefully with the children, not without running around, and not without knocking on high doors. It was nice to know that she heard firmly: we will not give up either you or the children, and not only heard, but saw the actions of our officials, who can be watered down as long as you like, deserved it, but not in this case. So, fellow Ukrainian citizens, don’t poke me with numbers, Russia, not you, protects your mothers. And you can yell as much as you like, it’s her own fault, she should have married someone who was independent, etc. And if you want to go to Europe... Good riddance, after this incident my respect for you diminished. And this story ended quite happily, the husband turned out to be an adequate person, refused all pretensions, and simply said: “maybe it will be better for them there” ...
    1. +1
      17 August 2013 03: 23
      Quote: IGS
      But now, excuse me, it’s broken.


      M O L O D E C !(+)
      1. Corneli
        -2
        17 August 2013 03: 25
        Quote: Corsair
        M O L O D E C !(+)

        You would be better off answering questions..."well done")
        1. +2
          17 August 2013 05: 55
          Quote: Corneli
          Quote: Corsair
          M O L O D E C !(+)

          You would be better off answering questions..."well done")

          Ask smart questions, get smart answers. Well done. How little kids (KVN Pyatigorsk) laughing
        2. +1
          17 August 2013 06: 11
          Quote: Corneli
          You would be better off answering questions..."well done")


          Bring a question that you PERSONALLY adequately formulated and addressed to me, to which I did not answer!
          I won’t allow you to be RUDE out of the blue...
  64. DmitryMSK
    0
    17 August 2013 06: 41
    Do they want to join the EU? Let them go, at least there will be less eternal whining about evil and not good Russia. and yes, most likely there was an order from Vova about the goods. to make it clear to Ukrainian colleagues what awaits them in the future (or even worse) if they sign an association agreement with Europe. A kind of subtle hint. wink
  65. +1
    17 August 2013 07: 09
    This is how the Slavs communicated normally!!! I think not all is lost...
    1. +1
      17 August 2013 07: 22
      Quote: MIKHAN
      This is how the Slavs communicated normally!!! I think not all is lost...

      Ukraine has already begun to try to “smooth out the corners,” which is clearly visible in the appeals of Ukrainian business to Prime Minister Azarov, who, in turn, is making efforts to resolve...
      And for now there will still be “flowers” ​​and “berries” both on the Ukrainian side and on ours...
  66. 0
    17 August 2013 07: 21
    the one who printed the leaflets began to live better
  67. +1
    17 August 2013 07: 29
    Quote: Kohl
    the one who printed the leaflets began to live better

    Who? Which?
  68. +3
    17 August 2013 08: 23
    We will fight for the Ukrainian brothers as we did for Kyiv and Moscow in the Second World War..(remember Stalin’s words “Surrender Kiev, you’re crazy..”!!! Now there’s almost such a situation.. We’ll give up everything but we’ll defend Kyiv!!!!.. Moscow Kyiv are synonyms for Russia...the Anglo-Saxons know this..
  69. -2
    17 August 2013 10: 05
    And they surrendered Kyiv :-)
  70. Ivan Sirko
    0
    17 August 2013 10: 19
    The author smokes serious cigarettes. There is nothing to discuss other than letters.
    But the audience surprises me. Many people seem to be of sound mind, but they talk about what they do not understand and do not try to understand.
  71. +2
    17 August 2013 11: 32
    Russia is forced to build the same customs border on the border with Ukraine that it built with the EU.

    Deputy Director of the Institute of CIS Countries Vladimir Zharikhin said this in an interview with “Commander in Chief”.

    In his opinion, “Mr. Firtash is most nervous about this because they will especially carefully check the certificates of the country of origin.”

    “After all, if you look at his capital structure, it turns out that in recent years he bought a bunch of enterprises in Eastern Europe, and it is possible that he wanted to send the products of chemical enterprises of the European Union to Russia as Ukrainian,” he noted.

    “It has been said more than once that in order to preserve our Customs Union, created with such difficulty and contradictions (there are still scandals, why hide it), we will be forced to take self-defense measures. And our customs is preparing for this,” stated Zharikhin.

    “Khvilya” has already written that it was Dmitry Firtash’s structures that launched an information strike against Russia
  72. 0
    17 August 2013 13: 00
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: Valery Neonov
    emphasizing that without Ukraine Russia ceases to be an empire

    C'mon, these are complexes - the Great and the Mighty cannot do without Ukraine)))
    Would leave us alone.

    Good riddance, happy journey to the driver and passengers.
    But the road back will be much more difficult.
    1. +2
      17 August 2013 13: 37
      Quote: medwed1976
      But the road back will be much more difficult.

      There is no way back to the future. Only in American cinema.
      1. 0
        18 August 2013 05: 14
        Quote: Kars
        There is no turning back to the future.only in American cinema.


        Do you wish Ukraine to follow the scenario of the film “Brokeback Mountain”?
  73. Lukich
    0
    17 August 2013 13: 19
    ...scary. I really want to try Cheese in a European Mousetrap!!!...
  74. +2
    17 August 2013 14: 17
    This association has now come to mind - it’s like the Second World War, only without any bombings, tanks and guns, only the Baltic states are “captured” stretched out in time, as if in slow motion, Belarus stands here like one big Brest fortress, and now Ukraine is on queue, she has no strength to resist, and no desire either
  75. +1
    17 August 2013 17: 20
    The article is good, but let me make a reservation right away: this is a message to the elites and authorities.
    But reading the comments I associate with the movie Independence Day.
    The moment when the president is talking with an alien - We can cooperate, with benefit and so on. What do you want from us?
    Hoarse, choked voice - Dieeeee.....
    The depressing impression is not from the article, but from the comments.
    1. Fedych
      -1
      21 August 2013 18: 59
      I got -14 for my answer. And why? - I think because we Russians have long and irrevocably mixed and are mixing our earthly Russian culture and the new blessed faith given to us by all the Eastern Slavs, which we were able in our best minds to preserve and pass on to us, even if only through their texts. What is the confusion? All the Eastern Slavs, while they had living faith and experience, enjoyed support and guidance from God the Savior of all, just as all the Old Testament Jews once did. And while this was the case! - there was no division into three supposedly different, independent and independent peoples. Each principality of Rus' often had its own dialect, dialect, and customs; this was also true in clothing and the architecture of churches. But as soon as the earthly, specific principality began to win more and more, their collective faith was lost and the so-called climbed upward more and more. a national-pagan parochial factor claiming its exclusivity and universal obligatory nature. This ruined both Byzantium and Tsarist Rus', and today it prevents the authorities of the 3 Slavic Republics from listening and understanding each other normally and in a friendly, mutually respectful manner. And everyone has guilt. None of the Republics has its own spiritual and creative aristocracy that has the right to rule, which would have experience, right, intelligence and law. That’s why we see endless attacks on each other. If Russia had a president with the level of intonation, conversation, conversation and silence like the late Alexy II, maybe. They believed her and believed her and, cautiously, but trusted her. And so teach and call everyone into the unity of this unity itself, neither spirit, nor law, nor faith in itself, which has no fact, communication, or conviction - anyone can be lured, convinced. Hence the caution and mistrust of the best minds of Ukraine, I think so.
  76. 0
    17 August 2013 20: 33
    No, not scary.
  77. 0
    23 August 2013 14: 29
    Russia would be the most fun state if there were no Ukraine. But seriously, it’s a pity that we are now in different states. It’s even more unfortunate that Ukraine could not find itself either in politics or in economics or anywhere as an independent state. The only principle of today's statehood of Ukraine, “Shob x**vo bulo yam,” will lead it to a dead end. Here, too, everything is not going smoothly, but Europe with today’s soapy prosperity is also not the best choice. Brothers, think with your own and only your own heads, not yours, not your European ones, but your own. In general, an affectionate calf sucks two queens.