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Managed chaos is approaching Russia

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Managed chaos is approaching Russia

Revolutionary writers rely on a well-developed theory of the use of powerful ideological weapons


An analysis of the geopolitical transformations of the end of the 20th and the beginning of the 21st centuries shows that the internal upheavals of states of different scale lay at their core. The collapse of the Warsaw Pact was preceded by a series of revolutions in several countries of the socialist camp. Similar in nature were the events in the Soviet Union. After a series of inspired large-scale protests of the population against the existing government, the inept attempt of the Emergency Committee to prevent the destruction of the USSR became only a catalyst for its collapse. Subsequently, a series of “color and flower revolutions” took place in the post-Soviet space, somewhere successful (for example, in Georgia), and somewhere not. Yugoslavia collapsed in a similar scenario. Finally, the Arab Spring struck, which has already clearly demonstrated: external directors are behind these formally spontaneous revolutionary events.

All these events, which radically redrew the geopolitical picture of the world over the past 30 years, have a lot of similarities. The first of them - they all began in formally prosperous countries with stable regimes, either suddenly, from the most insignificant cause, or after a relatively short “threatened period”, unlike the revolutionary events of the beginning of the 20th century, which took place against the background of the most severe trials of the First World War, this was preceded by an increase in social tensions.

The second distinctive feature is a lightning positive reaction to these events from the leading Western countries, expressing full support for the revolutionary forces and demands to the current government to stop the violence, in some cases accompanied by threats to use military force.

The third important feature is the practical uniformity of the scenario, which consists in the fact that the reason for the mass demonstrations was incomparably insignificant events against them against the background of a generally stable situation in the country and often a very high standard of living of the population. Previously, to initiate such events, larger prepositions were required.

All this suggests that the organizers of such coups in modern conditions rely on a well-developed theory that has effectively proved itself in practice.

This is the theory of controlled chaos.

Essence of the theory

A key role in the development of the theory of controlled chaos was played by Gene Sharp, who created the work “From Dictatorship to Democracy. 198 ways to fight ", which became a textbook for" color revolutionaries. "

The most actively managed chaos theory began to be developed in the USA from the beginning of the 80s of the 20th century, where the Santa Fe Institute of Interdisciplinary Research, specializing in its development, was created in 1984. Already in 1992, Steve Mann spoke at the conference of this institute with the report “Chaos Theory and Strategic Thought”, in which he outlined the initial positions of the new geopolitical concept of conquering supremacy, based on the methods of randomizing the opposing state.

The methodological basis of this theory consists of the most intensively developing at present such mathematical disciplines as the theory of nonlinear dynamic systems, the theory of catastrophes, theories describing various random processes and the mathematical theory of chaos itself.

These theories investigate the behavior of complex non-linear dynamical systems that have a higher dimension and that have at least one point of unstable equilibrium. Moreover, the system should be sensitive to the initial conditions. This means the possibility of significant changes in the trajectories of the development of the system with small changes in the initial conditions.

A smooth change in the state of a social system under the influence of external and internal factors, even accompanied by a change in its structure, corresponds to the evolutionary development of this system.

The bifurcation transition, inevitably accompanied by a radical change in the structure of the social system, is a revolution.

The theory of controlled chaos explores how to bring the system to a bifurcation point and make this bifurcation transition in the desired direction, that is, to manage the chaotic process of such a transition.

How to create chaos

In order to form a bifurcation state and make a controlled bifurcation transition, it is necessary to fulfill certain conditions.

First, to know, with a high degree of detail, the initial and current state of the social system in the process of its development under the controlling influence at the stage of the evolutionary leading of this system to the bifurcation point.

Secondly, to have enough time and opportunities to bring the system into a bifurcation state.

Thirdly, to be able to accurately identify possible variants of stable states at the bifurcation point.

Fourth, to reveal, at least in a general form, the mechanisms for resolving bifurcation, effective mechanisms, methods and means of influencing this system during this period.

Fifth, to have available in sufficient quantity the means of controlling the development of the system for the realization of control actions.

Sixth, to be able to predict with sufficient accuracy the results of the control of bifurcation.

Realization of all these conditions, with the exception of the second and the fifth, is possible only if there is a highly efficient system for collecting information on the state of the social system, which allows updating the information with sufficient to control the process of completeness and accuracy in real time.

Conditions for revolution

An analysis of the nature of the revolutionary events in the countries of the socialist camp, the Middle East and North Africa suggests that at least the first four conditions for organizing a successful revolutionary explosion were fulfilled.

The preparation of revolutions in almost all countries had a relatively standard character. At the same time, special attention was paid to ideological and organizational issues.

The ideological core almost everywhere was the idea of ​​creating a liberal democracy and the development of market relations and reforms while simultaneously supplanting traditional values ​​and de-ideologizing society. At the same time, much attention was paid to raising the living standards of the population and especially the elites, which generated, on the one hand, increased social demands from the population, and on the other, the desire of the elites to further enrich themselves at the expense of the country's inhabitants.

In organizational terms, the key tasks were uniting at a critical moment separate political forces opposing the existing government, undermining the leadership’s confidence in the forces and loyalty of the security forces, direct destabilization of the situation in the country, spreading protest moods, attracting criminal elements, creating and developing panic moods mistrust of the population to power structures at all levels, the actual organization of the change of power through democratic elections or with using force, including military insurrection.

However, as experience has shown, in particular the “Arab spring”, after the overthrow of the current government, the organizers of the revolution did not always succeed in launching a bifurcation in the desired direction.

Very often, as a result of a revolution, it was not those who the organizers wanted that that came to power.

Reasons for failure

After mass revolutionary actions with an active and sometimes decisive participation of the population in them, a radical reorganization of the entire social structure of society took place.

The system of social contradictions was changing due to the elimination of previous clans from power, a partial change in the system of social relations, a change in the spiritual foundations of society, and a slight decrease in the level of property inequality. The structure of the new government turned out to come from those sections of the population who had previously been removed from power, as a rule, independent of the West.

The agency of influence that was previously introduced lost its ability to control the development of events, in particular, due to the fact that its part that was introduced into the structures of overthrown power lost both influence and authority.

Finally, the pace of development of the situation with the existing methods of collecting information on the state of the social environment practically excluded the possibility of tracking it in real time, which led to the adoption of wrong decisions.

Under these conditions, it becomes almost impossible to provide precise control in the bifurcation zone and events are already developing outside the scenario of the organizers of the revolution.

An exception can be only in the case when a third force intervenes in the events, in potential exceeding all the players of the “revolutionary field”. Then this force determines the outcome of the revolutionary process. However, after the termination of its participation in it, the likelihood of a resumption of post-revolutionary chaos with the occurrence of unpredictable outcomes is high. For example, this was the case in Libya, when NATO intervention allowed the overthrow of the regime of Muammar Gaddafi. But with the withdrawal of alliance troops from Libya, the opposition of Western liberals and Islamists resumed, which could be resolved in favor of the latter in the near future.

An analysis of the essence of the chaos control mechanism shows that more or less reliable management of social changes in society is possible only in the case of top coups, when the masses of the population do not participate in them or their participation is limited to the role of statisticians.

Examples of such options are the revolutionary events in Georgia (bringing Saakashvili to power) and Ukraine (Yushchenko’s rise to power).

Russia in the bifurcation zone

The current situation in Russia can be described as favorable for controlling chaos. In fact, we are already near the point of social bifurcation. For this, we have almost all of the above set of conditions.

The situation is aggravated by the fact that our business elite, who have created their fortunes overwhelmingly by criminal means, are perceived by an absolute majority of the country's population as a purely hostile community, both to an individual and to the country as a whole.

However, even the majority of the country's population has little sympathy for the “swamp” opposition advertised in the media - it is based on Western liberals, those who destroyed the state in 90.

Therefore, it will be very risky for organizers of revolutions to arrange another bifurcation in Russia. The current government will not leave without a fight. It is obvious. The risks of losing everything are too high. Suffice it to recall the threats voiced against Vladimir Putin by some US senators are highly influential.

Liberal opposition without mass support does not do anything.

The inclusion of the masses of the Russian population in the revolutionary process will immediately translate it into an uncontrollable phase for its organizers. As a result, those who they would like to see will come to power.

However, taking into account the criticality of the global situation for the West, it must be assumed that the search for a way to organize a liberal revolution in Russia with the aim of changing the government will continue.

Therefore, the leaders of our country need to take urgent measures to prevent it - moving away from the point of social bifurcation.

Among some priority measures in this direction are the following:

  • nationalization of resources, land and infrastructure;
  • public completion of corruption cases, in particular, the most notorious ones, for example, the Oboronservis case, with the transfer of all really guilty to justice, regardless of their personal connections with persons from the country's leadership, former merits, etc .;
  • stopping without any special talk the activities of all organizations controlled by foreign government agencies;
  • the exclusion of the possibility of influencing the policy of Russia not only organizations that have foreign financing, but also individuals who have significant foreign assets and deposits in foreign banks;
  • refusal to introduce electronic systems that would create favorable conditions for collecting information about the state of Russian society by foreign special services. As an example, it is possible to cite universal electronic cards, the introduction of which will greatly simplify this task for the American special services. Suffice it to recall the information of Edward Snowden.


    If you implement at least this incomplete list, the risk of chaos in Russia will practically disappear.
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    1. Garrin
      Garrin 14 August 2013 06: 18 New
      20
      If you implement at least this incomplete list, the risk of chaos in Russia will practically disappear.

      For some reason, those in power stubbornly ignore, and sometimes even openly oppose, the above measures.
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 14 August 2013 07: 20 New
        14
        because your shirt is closer to the body ...

        Nationalization will isolate their wealth abroad
        If they put Serdyukov and KO information about other abuses of someone higher will come up ...
        The ban on all NGOs will entail a response from the West in the form of a freeze on the offshore accounting of your dear oligarchs ...
        But electronic systems need to be introduced, but only of their own production and standard so that there are no break-ins, but only again the capitalist power can only buy someone else's and not create his own ...
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 14 August 2013 09: 32 New
        14
        Why those in power stubbornly ignore, and sometimes even openly oppose, events:
        - on the nationalization of resources, land and infrastructure;
        - on the public completion of corruption cases;
        - to suppress the activities of all organizations controlled by foreign state structures;
        - to exclude the influence on the policy of Russia of organizations with foreign financing, of individuals who have significant foreign assets and deposits in foreign banks?
        Yes, because those in power themselves are tied to activities related:
        - with corruption,
        - with the privatization of state property,
        - storage of stolen wealth in the West and the USA,
        - the destruction of statehood in Russia and the USSR,
        - the destruction of a centrally planned economy and the orientation of the fragments of a decentralized economy in the US and the West.
        So, it’s useless to expect that the current government will decide on the prevention of “controlled chaos”, and essentially the destruction of Russia. They will not do this, it is not in their "pocket interests", beyond "they don’t see their own nose."
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 14 August 2013 06: 20 New
      +3
      Picks up picks up no matter how picks up can’t
    3. vvvvv
      vvvvv 14 August 2013 06: 20 New
      25
      I am almost daily in the social. networks I am conducting an ideological struggle with different muddy water on different soils. This is my contribution, I do what I can.
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 16 August 2013 06: 20 New
        0
        Tonight, I convinced Odnoklassniki admins to remove profiles promoting fascism and a couple of provocative topics where the Russians were obsessed. Everyone would do at least once as well - already something ...
    4. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 14 August 2013 06: 29 New
      +3
      It is unlikely that there is someone (or something) capable of calculating the consequences of Russia's chaotization.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 14 August 2013 06: 40 New
        10
        Quote: serge-68-68
        It is unlikely that there is someone (or something) capable of calculating the consequences of Russia's chaotization.

        And what is there to calculate?
        Russian revolt - senseless and merciless
      2. alexng
        alexng 14 August 2013 08: 38 New
        +5
        There is a Big Game and while the USscale is losing it, especially recently and moreover, they are already in a critical zone for themselves. They got too carried away, not noticing the consequences for themselves, and now they are reaping the fruits of their self-confidence.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 14 August 2013 15: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: alexneg
          There is a Big Game and while the USscale is losing it, especially recently and moreover, they are already in a critical zone for themselves. They got too carried away, not noticing the consequences for themselves, and now they are reaping the fruits of their self-confidence.

          Where do they play it? What are the consequences for them? request
    5. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 14 August 2013 06: 37 New
      +8
      However, taking into account the criticality of the global situation for the West, it must be assumed that the search for a way to organize a liberal revolution in Russia with the aim of changing the government will continue.

      Yes, this search by the West did not stop even for a minute, in the 20th century two revolutions took place in our country in the collapse of the country, and gullible people with big ears in the 21st century did not become smaller in Russia. request
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 August 2013 07: 01 New
        10
        A revolution is a revolution, there is nothing more to be done for the people than to arrange revolutions. In Moscow, all shushara is muddied with water, and in the regions they should be put to them hi
        1. Sibiryak
          Sibiryak 14 August 2013 07: 06 New
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          there’s nothing more to be done for people than to arrange revolutions

          Good thought comes afterwards! hi
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In Moscow, all Shushara is muddied by water, and in the regions they are under their control

          Do you propose organizing a trip to Moscow in order to clean it of unwanted elements? wink
        2. SHOCK.
          SHOCK. 14 August 2013 08: 57 New
          10
          It is very correctly said. Moscow lives its own life separate from Russia, and its periphery.
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 14 August 2013 15: 37 New
          -3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          and in the regions they put them on

          Of course. They were almost drunk there and chopped. They generally do everything.
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 14 August 2013 15: 51 New
            0
            Quote: nycsson
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            and in the regions they put them on

            Of course. They were almost drunk there and chopped. They generally do everything.

            Where are you sticking yourself, Moscow pepper ??

            About "them" -about us, it’s better not to shake the air with idle talk, otherwise it (the air) around you will deteriorate on its own due to resonance, without methane compounds ...)))
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 14 August 2013 21: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Tartary
              Where are you sticking yourself, Moscow pepper ??

              I’ve been smoking for 13 years. I do not drink alcohol. I go in for sports: running + weights. I am silent about injecting drugs. This is for me.
              As for the population of Russia, according to the most conservative estimates, we have 8 million drug addicts. About alcoholics and say nothing.
              Quote: Tartary
              About "them" -about us, it’s better not to shake the air with idle talk, otherwise it (the air) around you will deteriorate on its own due to resonance, without methane compounds ...)))

              In my opinion you need to filter your bazaar. negative
              1. Tartary
                Tartary 15 August 2013 03: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: nycsson
                In my opinion you need to filter your bazaar.


                Well, it turned out that with the "Feney" everything is much easier, sportsmen ...)))
                Well, about running it’s clear - it’s useful on occasion, but how much is a kilogram?
                Or all the same dumbbells ??)))

                And do not advise me anything, then there will be no prompts from me on the route ...
        4. nycsson
          nycsson 14 August 2013 15: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Revolution-revolution, there is nothing more to do

          So what to do? Sit and watch the country die?
    6. Volkhov
      Volkhov 14 August 2013 07: 00 New
      +5
      A revolution of any type is being made to change the power of one system to another. In the Russian Federation, absolute Zionism, i.e. the color revolution for the establishment of Zionism along the lines of the "Arab Spring" is impossible - it already exists.
      A revolution is possible to overthrow Zionism as in Egypt - then only Nazism can be the organizer, because Russian patriotism is completely suppressed and does not represent a system. But for this, the Zionists must convincingly ask the Nazis to overthrow themselves - the Germans will not work for the Russians unless absolutely necessary ... The Zionists are now busy with this — they “strengthen the army” and carry out military provocations against the Nazis regardless of the losses of the Russians - perseverance and labor are all peretrut ... on the one hand, the Germans will be forced to defend themselves and knock out the Russian club from biblical hands, on the other hand, the Russians will get tired of the situation of the fines on ships or in a terrorist war and they will support the change.
      But what does chaos have to do with it - atomic warfare and a different order, albeit coming through a political paradox.
    7. treskoed
      treskoed 14 August 2013 07: 03 New
      25
      An analysis of the geopolitical transformations of the late XX - early XXI centuries shows that their fundamental principle was the internal upheaval of states of various sizes.

      If the minimum wage is less than the cost of living, and the same cost of living is almost entirely spent on utilities, and at the same time, the country is the leader in the production of billionaires ... What are the prerequisites for chaos?
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 14 August 2013 08: 47 New
        -3
        Quote: treskoed
        If the minimum wage is less than the cost of living, and the same cost of living is almost entirely spent on utilities, and at the same time, the country is the leader in the production of billionaires ... What are the prerequisites for chaos?
        It’s easier to blame the Zionists and some external forces for all sins, the old song. Again our government consists of spies, that's the explanation of our troubles.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 14 August 2013 15: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: grafrozow
          It’s easier to blame the Zionists and some external forces for all sins, the old song. Again our government consists of spies, that's the explanation of our troubles.

          The people themselves put a hand to our troubles with their indifference to what was happening.
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 14 August 2013 15: 57 New
            -2
            Quote: nycsson
            Quote: grafrozow
            It’s easier to blame the Zionists and some external forces for all sins, the old song. Again our government consists of spies, that's the explanation of our troubles.

            The people themselves put a hand to our troubles with their indifference to what was happening.


            With such quiet glanders, cautious (about anything) words put into sentences, supposedly sensible thoughts are born on the Internet, right from the dining table of our American "friends" ...
            Which are then picked up by half-dumb bloggers, imagining themselves oppositionists.
            However, opposition-quieters ...)))

            What hand did the people have and what, my dear ??

            What kind of indifference is it about?

            The people, day and night, discuss the stuffing of distorted information by different z..s. ra ... tsami from the geyrop who are bothered by taking care of the Russian people ...

            Ugh, obscenities!
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 14 August 2013 21: 37 New
              +3
              Quote: Tartary
              What hand did the people have and what, my dear ??

              I will explain to you now. The people have the power that they deserve. Since the power leaves the people. And our people have long forgotten what the word Motherland means. Everyone pursued money and Western false values: alcohol, drugs, cigarettes and all other immorality. Everyone thinks only of themselves. How to make more money and no matter which way. And nobody thinks about her, about the Motherland. That it needs to be protected, i.e. serve in the army, pay taxes, etc.
              Quote: Tartary
              What kind of indifference is it about?

              When our girls "eat" cocktails and other swipes in taverns, night clubs, etc. they do not think that they still have children for their homeland. Healthy children. Can you explain why they should not drink alcohol before birth?
              This is what kind of indifference it is. You need to think with your head. Yes, on television there is propaganda of this immorality, but by force no one pours and does not inject into a vein. And then we wonder why only 30% of absolutely healthy children are born in Russia.
              Quote: Tartary
              The people, day and night, discuss the stuffing of distorted information by different z..s. ra ... tsami from the geyrop who are bothered by taking care of the Russian people ...

              To discuss a little. Everyone needs to start with himself.
              1. Tartary
                Tartary 15 August 2013 03: 38 New
                0
                Quote: nycsson
                To discuss a little. Everyone needs to start with himself.


                The first two paragraphs are the pessimist's subjective opinion, based on false statistical studies of pro-liberal types ...

                So you have to start with yourself ...
                And then - dumbbells, running, 13 years without nicotine and "tops" ...)))

                If you have the ability to convince non-solid people on websites, then apparently there may exist the ability to convince personally, by example, not hard willpower in the doorways and porches ...

                Why not work for the good of the motherland ??

                And on the "clave", and even with the material incentive "on the road" - every m .. duck can ...
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 14 August 2013 15: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: treskoed
        If the minimum wage is less than the cost of living, and the same cost of living is almost entirely spent on utilities, and at the same time, the country is the leader in the production of billionaires ... What are the prerequisites for chaos?

        Exactly! And this is in a country with unlimited resources.
        Only not chaos, but the popular opposition of this stealing power.
    8. Bigriver
      Bigriver 14 August 2013 07: 23 New
      +4
      "... the organizers of the revolution to arrange another bifurcation in Russia will be very risky.
      However, given the criticality of the global situation for the West, it must be assumed that the search for a way to organize a liberal revolution in Russia in order to change power will continue. "


      Better, of course, to overdo it than to overdo it.
      But, my word, someone I do not see promising leaders of the liberal revolution.
      "Swamp" publicly merged, having managed both intellectually and organizationally and ideologically.
      As grandfather Lenin said: "They are terribly far from the people."
      Plus, our people traditionally have immunity from pro-Western expansion, including at the level of ideas. But to lay down the liberal efforts of their local leaders and the interest of the West, a lot of intelligence is not necessary. Neither the countries of Eastern Europe, nor the Baltic states, nor Georgia, nor Ukraine, nor the countries of the Middle East and Africa possessed this immunity. This is a fundamental difference.
      God forbid, of course, but we will go out into the streets and then open our little heads.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 14 August 2013 08: 12 New
        +6
        yeah we have, and 91g. they also made up their minds, they thought a century of justice had come. but it turned out you yourself know that. But the current government digs its own grave, more and more setting people against itself. One I don’t understand, they do it on purpose or by stupidity .
    9. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 14 August 2013 07: 34 New
      +2
      refusal to introduce electronic systems that would create favorable conditions for the collection of information on the state of Russian society by foreign intelligence services. An example is universal electronic cards, the implementation of which will greatly simplify this task for the American intelligence services.

      Rather, it is a project of our special services, which also need to monitor the situation. Information leakage is their own concern. Process control - well, our Amerov specialists are not dumber. And our information is needed even more than anyone else.
    10. a52333
      a52333 14 August 2013 07: 43 New
      +6
      By the way, I recently looked for a photo of Navalny for comment, a second later a letter arrives in the mail: your like-minded person invites you to a page on Twitter, is it worth repeating who the “like-minded person” is?
    11. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 14 August 2013 07: 47 New
      +3
      God forbid to survive the Russian merciless rebellion. It will not seem to anyone and it will be a redistribution on a planetary scale.
    12. Jet blackbird
      Jet blackbird 14 August 2013 07: 49 New
      +8
      “Everything that is not being done is for the better”)) If you believe that the Duma deputy Eugene Fedorov is saying that all the troubles of Russia are stamped on the banks of the river — the stinky Potomac)) Like, everything is “bought - overbought” by cunning foreign agents "and even the sun-faced Putin only fulfills his duties" within the framework of the Constitution "and cannot take decisive action .... because of the" international scandal "?? )) Maybe Comrade Rogozin will be more determined ?? and throw off the "occupying yoke" from the Racean open spaces ?? )) ... including a long landing on the "Siberian airfields" of the very rich with "foreign jurisdiction" as well as various officials who steal in the "nano" dimensions of universal scale .... Then all kinds of "color revolute" there will bypass Russia - "tenth road "- because the people need the politicians of the patriots and not the thieves daily spewing out of their mouths - the heinous lie about reforms" for the good of the people "))
      1. shapkin14
        shapkin14 14 August 2013 08: 55 New
        +3
        Rogozin is like a clown
    13. MuadDib
      MuadDib 14 August 2013 07: 54 New
      10
      For a long time it is time to adapt billionaires for the development of infrastructure, medicine and education. And what would they do it for free. A small but successful example is the city of Khabarovsk. There, large businessmen made a gift to the city and its inhabitants - they built a square with fountains where you can just walk. In return, the patrons received a memorial tablet on which are written the names of businessmen who participated in the financing of the project.
    14. alone
      alone 14 August 2013 08: 15 New
      +4
      It is unlikely that there will be a complete completion of corruption cases. Too everything is interconnected.
    15. kudma
      kudma 14 August 2013 08: 19 New
      +6
      The author writes correctly, but it is not possible to quickly implement it. Remember when they adopted the list of Magnitsky Put under the guise of dragged the law banning the possession of real estate abroad to our deputies. Only gradually it can be done, and not just once, otherwise Putin will be swept away.
    16. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 14 August 2013 08: 21 New
      +2
      Enough of revolutions, the limit is over.
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 14 August 2013 08: 37 New
        +4
        how wrong you are
    17. darksoul
      darksoul 14 August 2013 08: 28 New
      +5
      Chaos is picking up, things are not going so smoothly, Syria is skidding, it didn’t work out with Georgia ... the army needs to be strengthened and its southern borders are now but in general the Chinese wall must be built with all the unstable ones ... like the Americans set up a fence with Mexico, fences with cameras with thermal imagers ... maybe it’s time for us to spend money even southward?
    18. matross
      matross 14 August 2013 08: 49 New
      +1
      We need total control of the information space. To respond in time to the onset of this very chaos. Amer is not such fools as someone thinks, they spend billions on control, Snowden confirms. And it’s not in vain that they spend money, they are trained to count grandmas ...
    19. Xroft
      Xroft 14 August 2013 09: 05 New
      +3
      Why does everyone say that nothing is being done? They introduced a law banning the availability of foreign accounts / real estate for officials / deputies. Organizations with Western funding are closed, American capital (there was a schedule somewhere on the website) was reduced from 467 million (in the early 2000s) to 90. Even the case was opened against the Minister of Defense (yes not to the end) It is clear that this is not happening at a fast pace, but this is undercover wars and the scale of the bureaucratic system. No need to believe that the "Old Man" will come and put everything in its place. And the nationalization of oil, alas, is fantastic for our country :(
      Ps If they go further in this vein (prohibition of homosexuals), they can completely throw all the trash out of the country.
    20. smart ass
      smart ass 14 August 2013 09: 27 New
      +2
      I think that our special services are asleep too ... and they don’t sit down there at all .. In general, it seems to me that NAVALNY from the same opera ... is called upon to the West to destroy RUSSIA ... I am for stability
      1. tverskoi77
        tverskoi77 14 August 2013 15: 22 New
        +3
        If you include logic, the bulk is more like an opposition regulated by the Kremlin, which is very reasonable.
    21. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 14 August 2013 09: 30 New
      +6
      Pile bulk, remove Udaltsov
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    23. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 14 August 2013 09: 36 New
      +4
      The trouble of Russia - offshore
    24. Poppy
      Poppy 14 August 2013 09: 47 New
      11
      Quote: Sibiryak

      Do you propose organizing a trip to Moscow in order to clean it of unwanted elements? wink

      so Kutuzov also determined: to save Russia it is necessary to burn Moscow
    25. individual
      individual 14 August 2013 09: 51 New
      +3
      In 1982, President Ronald Reagan approved the CIA’s plan to sabotage the Soviet Union’s economy through secret technology transfer, which contained hidden defects. In particular, it included a computer program, which subsequently provoked the explosion of the Siberian gas pipeline in 1982. The gas pipeline explosion was just one example of a "cold-blooded economic war" against the USSR led by the CIA.
      Time will pass and other CIA sabotage against modern Russia will be voiced.
      What would happen if our special services did similar sabotage in the United States?
    26. Roman_999
      Roman_999 14 August 2013 09: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: MuadDib
      In return, the patrons received a memorial tablet on which are written the names of businessmen who participated in the financing of the project.

      Patrons rightly judged that a nameplate in a city square is better than the same name in a criminal case.
    27. pa_nik
      pa_nik 14 August 2013 10: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: darksoul
      army must be strengthened


      Turn to the numbers .. fellow

      At the beginning of 2013, the number of the Russian army was 1 million 200 thousand people (for comparison: the number of the Red Army on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX was 4,8 million, June 1941 - May 1945 was called 29 million, the population of the USSR (including the current Baltic countries and Western Ukraine) - about 195 million, i.e. 17% of the population is called to the front (in Germany the figure is 20%)).

      But can modern Russia boast a 30 millionth reserve? Question.. recourse

      A small digression: Currently, the power of the Russian army is largely determined by the country's nuclear potential, the Russian Federation has at its disposal about 11 thousand warheads, as well as advanced means of delivery. Russia's defense budget is $ 56 billion (the United States spends 692 billion, China - 100 billion).

      TOTAL: In the case of a serious riffraff, the number of RAs of 1,2 million is not enough to solve the emerging problems. A reserve called up may not be sufficiently combat-ready. (We say thanks to the liberals and democrats who destroyed the system of the NVP, the reserve, and closed dozens of military universities).

      The solution is seen in restoring the poorer institutions created by the Great Country. (I recall a saying: safety instructions are written in blood).

      And military training was conducted all over the country for a reason ... hi
    28. nycsson
      nycsson 14 August 2013 10: 09 New
      +5
      Among some priority measures in this direction are the following:
      All is correct. Only our government will not do this. Since she herself is the cause of all our troubles. And here is the business elite? request
    29. gregor6549
      gregor6549 14 August 2013 10: 14 New
      +7
      Why is it being selected? It has long been the place to be, and from the very moment when Gorbachev and his comrades collapsed, albeit not the ideal, but still the SYSTEM of governing the country, not bothering to create a new system instead of a ruined one.
      And all the so-called control systems created later, including the current vertical of power, are not at all oriented towards eliminating chaos. They are oriented towards maintaining it at a certain level safe for the system, because in chaos, i.e. in muddy water, and a goldfish is easier to catch, and its catchers are more difficult to bring to clean water and put to the wall.
      And compared with domestic chaos managers, all their foreign clones are just a miserable parody of domestic managers. But to blame on them, on clones, all your sins was always convenient. It is convenient now.
      Therefore, articles like this appear. Like, atu them, foreign creators of domestic chaos.
      But even Julius Fuchek wrote on the eve of the 2 World "People, be careful!" I’ll add “And don’t let yourself on the chaff”
    30. nycsson
      nycsson 14 August 2013 10: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Garrin
      If you implement at least this incomplete list, the risk of chaos in Russia will practically disappear.

      For some reason, those in power stubbornly ignore, and sometimes even openly oppose, the above measures.

      Interesting girls are dancing. I can quote and add comments, but I can not answer. request
      The fact of the matter is that they are openly opposed. am
    31. Odysseus
      Odysseus 14 August 2013 10: 30 New
      -2
      The author of this opus is a dull du..k (trying to hide it by constantly using “smart” words). He mixes literally everything in a row-geopolitics with ideology, anti-socialist revolutions of the late 80s with the Arab spring, and draws here the theory of systems. .td etc.
      Well, at least he left the big bang theory alone smile
      At the same time, he naturally contradicts himself in almost every phrase.
      “The ideological core almost everywhere was the idea of ​​creating liberal democracy and the development of market relations and reforms with the simultaneous crowding out of traditional values ​​and the de-ideologization of society” - how can the creation of a new ideology (liberal democracy) be accompanied by a “de-ideologization” of society? And then the development of market relations and liberal ideology is the basis bourgeois revolution. One can understand when such values ​​are propagated in socialist countries, but how can bourgeois values ​​be the basis for a "revolution" in a bourgeois country? (e.g. Egypt, Tunisia, etc.)
      But his "proposal" to the existing system of bourgeois dictatorship in Russia to carry out the "nationalization of resources and land" and causes a homeric laughter.
      With the same success, you can offer bees to start fighting against honey.
    32. Druid
      Druid 14 August 2013 10: 30 New
      +6
      "nationalization of resources, land and infrastructure;
      public completion of corruption cases, in particular, the most notorious ones, for example, the Oboronservis case, with the transfer of all really guilty to justice, regardless of their personal connections with persons from the country's leadership, former merits, etc .;
      stopping without any special talk the activities of all organizations controlled by foreign government agencies;
      the exclusion of the possibility of influencing the policy of Russia not only organizations that have foreign financing, but also individuals who have significant foreign assets and deposits in foreign banks;
      refusal to introduce electronic systems that would create favorable conditions for the collection of information on the state of Russian society by foreign intelligence services. An example is universal electronic cards, the implementation of which will greatly simplify this task for the American intelligence services. Enough to recall the information of Edward Snowden. "


      That is, the current authorities to plant themselves and take everything away from themselves ... nonsense. This is possible formally only as a result of actions beyond the scope of the Constitution that the authorities wrote for themselves, for example in the event of a military coup, but in the case of Russia there is simply no one to do it.
    33. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 August 2013 10: 31 New
      +6
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      If you believe that the Duma deputy Eugene Fedorov speaks, then all the troubles of Russia are stamped on the banks of the river - the stinkers of the Potomac)) Like, everything is "bought - overbought by" cunning "foreign agents" and even sun-faced Putin only fulfills his duties "within the framework of the Constitution "
      And if, instead of faith, he is puzzled by reading the Constitution, it immediately becomes clear what kind of breeze this Chubais pimple carries. laughing
    34. eplewke
      eplewke 14 August 2013 10: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: serge-68-68
      It is unlikely that there is someone (or something) capable of calculating the consequences of Russia's chaotization.

      I agree with you. It is impossible to calculate the entire social sphere in principle! So many nationalities, nationalities and different social classes! Even creating just a House is a beyond task. It is necessary to take into account the mentality of the Russian people. If in the 90s they didn’t disappear from the world map, and weren’t mired in a bloody civil war, now by some external forces this is simply impossible. It should be borne in mind that the holders of mentality in Russia are not a bunch of wealthy gentlemen, but the people of Russia as a whole. The driving force in Russia has always been, will be and will remain the people! A people who love their land (and we have such an overwhelming majority) whoever is in power, and he will not let the Russian state disappear ...
    35. Normal
      Normal 14 August 2013 11: 42 New
      +4

      Russia in the bifurcation zone

      The current situation in Russia can be described as favorable for controlling chaos. In fact, we are already near the point of social bifurcation. For this, we have almost all of the above set of conditions.

      Questions as always, "who is to blame?" and "what to do?"
      Well, the West and the fifth column are to blame, as usual, that they use the fact that:

      The ideological core almost everywhere was the idea of ​​creating a liberal democracy and the development of market relations and reforms while simultaneously supplanting traditional values ​​and de-ideologizing society. At the same time, much attention was paid to raising the living standards of the population and especially the elites, which generated, on the one hand, increased social demands from the population, and on the other, the desire of the elites to further enrich themselves at the expense of the country's inhabitants.

      But the West is “using it," and who is pursuing this policy? Who runs the country? West? Fifth column? No country ruled for many years
      our business elite, which created its fortunes in the vast majority of criminal methods, is perceived by the absolute majority of the country's population as a purely hostile community - both to the individual and to the country as a whole.
      and leads this pseudo-elite The Uncontested Leader of the People's Liberation Movement V.V. Putin? Paradox? laughing

      Without a fight, the current government will not leave. It is obvious. The risks are too high to lose everything. It is enough to recall the threats expressed by Vladimir Putin by some American senators, very influential.
      It is precisely in this that the reasons for the contradictions between the Russian leadership and the West lie. Since the days of Gorbachev and the EBN, the West has become accustomed to the fact that the leadership of Russia is figures on a chessboard and do not have their political will. GDP does not suit such a function. Putin wants to be by player, not a figure
      But the fact is that players have actors of a completely different scale. There are financial and priestly dynasties with centuries-old history, management traditions and experience in waging wars in their own interests. They do not accept upstarts there.
    36. Normal
      Normal 14 August 2013 11: 44 New
      +5
      However, taking into account the criticality of the global situation for the West, it must be assumed that the search for a way to organize a liberal revolution in Russia with the aim of changing the government will continue.

      Therefore, the leaders of our country need to take urgent measures to prevent it - moving away from the point of social bifurcation.

      Among some priority measures in this direction are the following:

      nationalization of resources, land and infrastructure;


      Here, as "Experienced" writes BU-GA-GA!

      public completion of corruption cases, in particular, the most notorious ones, for example, the Oboronservis case, with the transfer of all really guilty to justice, regardless of their personal connections with persons from the country's leadership, former merits, etc .;

      "no son, it's fantastic"

      the exclusion of the possibility of influencing the policy of Russia not only organizations that have foreign financing, but also individuals who have significant foreign assets and deposits in foreign banks;
      "but also individuals ...." And then who will Putin work with? Is it with me? laughing
    37. bask
      bask 14 August 2013 11: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Normal
      but also individuals .... "And who will Putin work with then? With me or what?

      We were all sold to world Zionism with a bang.
      What remains to be done, to wait when there is still hu..she and hu ... sher.
      Managed chaos is approaching Russia

      He is not selected. ,, controlled chaos, ”in Russia since 1985 (since the year the hunchback entered the post of general secretary ...)
    38. Captain45
      Captain45 14 August 2013 12: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: BigRiver
      As grandfather Lenin said: "They are terribly far from the people."

      I apologize, but A.I. Herzen said about the Decembrists, by the way, the popposition began to rebel in December, so it's about her, to the very point or point, how they (liberals and other sucking shit-democrats) love.
    39. Normal
      Normal 14 August 2013 12: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: bask
      We were all sold to world Zionism with a bang.

      Great bask! Glad to see you on the site, buddy! I really thought you rolled off ... Welcome back!
      About the fact that "sold", I agree. Sold for the opportunity to die of old age in the presidency. Yes, only with the Jews can you negotiate, but you can’t trust them. Sell ​​- buy - and sell again, but already more expensive. laughing
      Quote: bask
      What remains to be done, to wait when there is still hu..she and hu ... sher.

      We must be prepared for this ...
    40. bask
      bask 14 August 2013 12: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      Great bask! Glad to see you on the site, buddy! I really thought you rolled off ... Welcome back!

      Hello Vladimir. And my friend is glad to see you !!!!!
      Depressiac was, he buried a friend yesterday, he only retired at the age of 60 (the song was, not a person, a prankster).
      Young people, die like flies, drink too much, that's what crap.
      And not of any clearance, this is most of all depressing ... The hopelessness of the situation in the country ...
    41. 1536
      1536 14 August 2013 12: 29 New
      +1
      It is not necessary to divide the Russian people into the elite, officials, the people themselves, the liberal-minded, etc. citizens. This only obscures the processes taking place in the country. And they are such that the Russian state can now tear apart only one thing - interethnic and interethnic relations, or rather, their aggravation and putting it on the agenda. Oil, gas, and other minerals are extracted from us on the outskirts of the country — in national republics, autonomous regions, etc. formations. The indigenous people living there, often a minority, strive by hook or by crook to take control of the extraction and sale of natural resources, and in the capital redirect financial flows to their side. Already no one wonders who and when discovered these deposits and that the proceeds from the sale always went to the common good. In Russia throughout its history, there have been no ethnic conflicts, as in other countries. Now, national relations are artificially aggravating. Who benefits from this? And what may follow, in my opinion, in the article this is reflected quite fully.
    42. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 August 2013 12: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: bask
      He is not selected. ,, controlled chaos, ”in Russia since 1985 (since the year the hunchback entered the post of general secretary ...)


      In general, this instrument or ideology of the emerging transnational elites in the era of transition from imperialism to globalism (the New World Order) did not appear yesterday. Then I agree with you, my friend. As far back as the 70s of the last century, the Club of Rome was the main ideologist of this process, and later the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Club, thought corporations of the Rand Corporation type, the Santa Fe Institute and others. The general principles they developed were specified in the work of the IMF, the World Bank, WTO, etc.
      link
      With virtually no announcement and wide publicity was organized new type of world warin which the means of creating controlled chaos in national economies and the social sphere were used. This paradoxical concept assumes that the economic and social life of countries that fell victim to this war turned into chaos. And the aggressors themselves, who were sitting at the control panel of these weapons, kept chaos in the camp of the enemy under control, for them he was purposefully created a special order.


      There was such a famous expert and ideologist Steve Mann, who personally participated in the creation of many centers of controlled chaos in different parts of the world (including the USSR). So he directly identified and outlined the means of creating controlled chaos in the territory of the enemy. In short and understandable language, then this
      -promoting liberal democracy;
      -support for market reforms;
      -improving living standards among the population, especially in the elites
      - crowding out traditional values ​​and ideology
    43. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 August 2013 12: 41 New
      +2
      All of this is being implemented with varying degrees of success in our post-Soviet space. The main goal of all this is to dismantle the existing national states, traditional cultures and civilizations. In their place, according to the plan of the globalists, something completely new should come, namely, a society consisting of people with an erased historical memory. And for this a world information-psychological war is being waged against us
      In the course of which our culture should be destroyed and instead the cult of money and the universal values ​​of a civilized consumer society are everywhere introduced. This is especially active through "our TelAvidinie." As a result, an amorphous society is created, incapable for its mass of self-organization and resistance (as we observe in the geyropa).
      What tasks does the world elite of global capitalists solve?
      First task reduction in the population of no interest to the organizers of the new world order. Neoliberal reforms lead to a demographic disaster, reducing fertility and causing a jump in mortality. Sexual revolution, propaganda of hedonism and consumerism, individualism sharply reduce the birth rate. Social Darwinism and indifference to the distress of others deprive people of their will to live and spur mortality.
      Secondly, the task the weakening or destruction of nation-states, with the seizure of control of these states by transnational corporations, transnational crime syndicates, supranational bodies and organizations controlled by the initiators of the launch of controlled chaos technologies. In solving this problem, there was a combination of “soft forms” of controlled chaos technology with barbaric military aggressions (for example, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria). As a result, these processes should lead to a concentration of control over the financial, military and information resources of the world community on the part of the organizers of controlled chaos.

      In fact, the "concept of controlled chaos" is a new form of colonial policy, the transformation of a number of countries into a serving appendage of "chosen" states or communities. At the same time, inequitable, predatory relations of commodity exchange and appropriation of property of the “colonies” are assumed and realized (example of the WTO) ...
    44. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 14 August 2013 12: 48 New
      +2
      “The implementation of all these conditions, except perhaps the second and fifth, is possible only if there is a highly efficient system for collecting information about the state of the social system, which allows updating information with sufficient completeness and reliability in real time to manage the process."
      Well yes. And what kind of system is this? This is the internet, of course. So far, the algorithms for working with giant data sets are imperfect and lagging behind. In addition, it is difficult to analyze something that you do not understand at all, and when compiling the algorithm, you need to take into account the actual state of affairs and not theories that are fashionable in your circle. But all these problems are surmountable. The pressure will be radically increased, it’s worth even reading some comments on the article and it can be seen that in some heads there is already a radioactive desert ...
      It is necessary to repulse the attack, and not in the field where the enemy is waiting for him. It makes no sense to us to measure computing power ...
    45. babur2005
      babur2005 14 August 2013 12: 48 New
      +2
      Rulers have always been far from the people under any political regimes, but people in different ways "remember" leaders, this can be said about Leonid Ilyich, Stalin, Yeltsin. This people perceives the word "democracy" in different ways, unlike newspaper democracy and Democrats imposed by money and other reasons. The same people support power in different ways, sometimes for free. And all this is an indicator of the rulers 'work efficiency. People’s practical experience is a great denominator of all political affairs in the state, which doesn’t forgive rulers' mistakes. - The “rebellion of the opposition” in Russia for money will not be decisive - the people understand the real successes of the rulers, even small ones, and given the Soviet-perestroika-post-perestroika practical experience, it will be active inert to foreign influence and fully active for small but long-lasting improvements in the country. There is something to compare, compare the situation of the same people in the territory of the former 15 Soviet res The public. Yes, and the people in Russia are different: many religions, nationalities — everyone in Russia finds a common language, or at least tries. To split apart these people is without a doubt in the zone of interests of opponents of Russian reality.
    46. creak
      creak 14 August 2013 12: 52 New
      +3
      Rather, Russia can be torn apart by an ever-increasing social stratification, and one of the first places in the world that we hold in terms of the number of dollar millionaires and billionaires is proof of this. And officials and so-called the elite already divided the people into the population and their beloved ones, without denying anything to themselves and have long lived their separate lives and they do not see the point of no ordinary people. This division into boyars and slaves is the main threat to the country, from this in Russia it all started even when such an abstruse word as bifurcation was not known ...
    47. bask
      bask 14 August 2013 12: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Ascetic
      In fact, the "concept of controlled chaos" is a new form of colonial policy, the transformation of a number of countries into a serving appendage of "chosen" states or communities. At the same time, unequal, predatory relations of commodity exchange and appropriation of property of the "colonies" are assumed and realized.

      Hi Ascetic. hi Do you still believe that under the current liberal regime, something will change for the better ???? When a society is so severely divided according to social and national, religious grounds, it is difficult for Russia to resist any external threats of any type.
      Now on the topic: there is nothing new, everything was invented and put into practice 100 years ago, by the chain dog of the Rothschilds, Cecile Rhodes.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 14 August 2013 20: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: bask
        Hi Ascetic. Do you still believe that under the current liberal regime, something will change for the better ????


        Hi Basque! Like any normal man, I always keep a fig in my pocket ... under any authority ... since you can’t really hope for the best, in any case I’m sure that our enemies will not see good luck and it’s still unknown to anyone after all this it’s better ... We’ll break through somehow, but the objective laws of history and economics suggest that all these figures ultimately will drown themselves in their own shit, but we hope we will help, and not the first time to rake ...
        1. bask
          bask 14 August 2013 22: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          ..We will somehow break through, but the objective laws of history and economics

          Yours (Yours) b Words - yes to God In my ears ...
          And I, so I think, that we will break through in the end. And rake, actively left by oligarchs and embezzlers of all stripes, crap ** o
          But how much blood, it will all cost.
          Wahhabis, how many thousands of young Muslims have zombied their brains? And these are potential militants.
          The social divide between rich and poor continues to grow.
          Everyone lives one day, because planning is simply not possible (they can be fired at any time).
          The pumping of Russia by migrants and so on ....
          I want to be optimistic, like you, but for some reason it does not work out.
          You see the code every day, poor unfortunate people ...... Although we treat for free, it’s good ....
        2. Normal
          Normal 14 August 2013 22: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          I, like any normal ...

          Uh, dear ... stop I will ask without plagiarism. Everyone on the site knows that I'm normal! laughing And my fig is the most normal and FIG fig of all the figs! wink
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 14 August 2013 22: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Normal
            Everyone on the site knows that I'm normal! And my fig is the most normal and FIG fig of all the figs!


            Well, everyone else ..... who ?! winked
            1. Normal
              Normal 14 August 2013 22: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Apollon
              well, everyone else


              "In the queue! In the queue, sir sons!"
              (P.P. Sharikov)

              what Well, so be it .... You’ll follow me .... But anyway, my fig is the most FIG wassat
    48. Normal
      Normal 14 August 2013 13: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: bask
      , buried a comrade yesterday, only retired at 60

      My condolences...
      When I visit any of the three in the cemetery district, I see that I have more acquaintances there than among the living. And most are already younger than me ...
      But! Noticed such a tendency; if earlier the pictures on the graves were with a serious expression on their faces, now more and more often smiling faces are looking from the gravestones. I think they are better off there than they were here ...

      Quote: bask
      Depressiac was .... And not what clearance, this is most depressing ... Hopelessness of the situation in the country ...

      And give it up. The sin of despondency.

      "When trouble knocks on the house - do not cry.
      You and I are not here forever ...
      Whatever happened, never cry
      Play, and woe is not a disaster! "
    49. bask
      bask 14 August 2013 13: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Normal

      And give it up. The sin of despondency.
      "When trouble knocks on the house - do not cry.
      You and I are not here forever ...
      Whatever happened, never cry
      Play, and woe is not a disaster! "

      Good poems Vladimir !!!
      You talked about sins good . Lately, I talked a lot with people LABOR. There is no one who has despondency, although the situations (they have) are hopeless from my point of view. People live by the principle, they have lived the day, and there will be whatever happens.
    50. Betahon
      Betahon 14 August 2013 13: 40 New
      +2
      You know, the concept of our business elite is somehow more associated with some kind of dwarf bald nouveau riche with sweaty clumsy hands and small eyes with a “metal look free from thought” (Saltykov-Shchedrin).
      As for the urgent measures outlined at the end, then, of course, these are the most necessary, taking into account the historical features of the traditional "Russian rebellion", the bloody results of which are used by outsiders ...
      One must still bear in mind that pushing us, albeit very smart and thoughtful in appearance, to a social cataclysm in any case will be disastrous for the country and it must not be allowed!
      Modern leaders just need to understand! If they completely shut themselves off from the people by the judicial police and military forces (which may refuse, as usual, to perform punitive anti-people functions) and go to secret surrender, they will suffer a personal disaster for everyone, such as, for example, Kerensky or Trotsky ...