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Catch up and overtake the "Big Dog"

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Moscow. The Red Square. Military parade. Along with officers, cadets, sergeants and soldiers in the parade, a column of combat robots passes by the podium ...


While this is fantastic. Although today robots performing combat missions have become a reality. True, not yet with us, but mainly with overseas partners. For example, their robot Big Dog is able to move across rough terrain with a group of special forces, carrying a backpack of a fighter on its back and overcoming various obstacles. There are Americans and reconnaissance-impact robotic systems. In our Armed Forces, there are only a few robots.

Why is this? What can our designers and engineers offer to the Ministry of Defense today and what can they create in the near future? These and other questions of the "Red Star" are answered by the director of the Scientific-Training Center "Robotics" of the Moscow State Technical University. N.E. Bauman Alexei MAKSIMOV.

- Alexey Alekseevich, what kind of combat tasks in the armies of the most technologically advanced states today are capable of performing robots?

- The set of these functions is quite large. This is the reconnaissance of the theater of military operations, which is also carried out with the help of drone ...

- Are BLA's robots too?

- Yes, robots, if they can create a map of the area, become attached to the reference points. This and ground reconnaissance robots, which make it possible to determine the placement of optical tools, enemy manpower, using thermal imaging sensors scanning laser range finders.

There is also robotics, which allows, after reconnaissance, to destroy manpower and various types of enemy weapons. Basically now it is radio-controlled electromechanical and hydraulic platforms on different types of chassis.

- What are the general criteria for this or that technique attributed to robotics?

- This line is now blurred, and many are trying to call a remotely controlled object equipped with this or that attached equipment as a robot. In my opinion, robotics begin when the operator has software and hardware to help, for example, to automate the movements of a robot that automatically bypasses obstacles using vision systems, including laser scanners. A management tooling, including weaponsmay remain with the operator. Because in the same robot-tank It’s hard to combine control tasks with targets hitting targets. Even in a tank crew, the driver and gunner are not the same person.

Now cars that can move independently, without human intervention, are already entering the market (Google has made two cars based on the Toyota Prius).

We also have similar systems, where the movement is carried out on an electronic map. They have been tested, and some samples have already been adopted. Objects detected by the robot are automatically plotted on this map. There is also the possibility of returning to the point where the robot was sent from, with loss of communication with it.

- Of the robots you listed in our army, there are only a few ...

- As far as we know, the Ministry of Defense should now adopt a program for the development of robotics before 2025, which indicates the main directions of development of our robotics, the tasks that it must perform. The content of this program is brought to us.

“But after all, robotics has been on display at domestic security exhibitions for a long time, including those produced at the Bauman MGTU ...”

“This robotics has been used for a long time by other power structures in solving their counterterrorism tasks, for example, to clear non-standard ones, including improvised explosive devices, to conduct surveillance, to perform security functions.

- Let's go back to the robots that can be used in the Armed Forces. What can they be equipped with?

- We have developed good attachments. At one of the departments of Moscow State Technical University. Bauman’s Antisniper system was developed, which, together with our mobile robot, makes it possible to detect enemy optical-electronic systems and its living force and plot them on an electronic map.

- What is the name of our robot, which can go in exploration?

- For example, we have a mobile robot "Plastun". This is the fourth car we have created. It has an auto-movement system and definitions of all objects in the field of view.

What can you offer to the Armed Forces tomorrow, given that the program for creating robotics is designed for up to 2025 year?

- Naturally, we can not go past the development program of US drones, which is in full swing. Before 2032, they formed a “road map”, which indicates when and what should go to the troops.

First of all, there is an actual task of managing a group when all flying, crawling, floating robots are connected into a single information system.

Imagine: a group of machine-robots equipped with various types of weapons - grenade launchers, machine guns, laser optics damage vehicles - leaves. For different purposes you need to use different weapons, so the actions of these machines need to be coordinated. In addition, the failure of one or two units of robotics should not lead to the cessation of hostilities. It requires a reasonable distribution of power between the machines. For example, some build a trajectory of motion, exploring the terrain and quickly creating an 3D terrain model using unmanned aerial vehicles and ground vehicles. Other machines use this information for movement, already knowing where there are any obstacles, where is the enemy's living strength, where its technical means are located.

- Isn't it possible to build all 3D-models of all localities in advance - the Earth doesn’t change its relief, if you do not take into account areas of earthquakes?

- The tree fell - now a new obstacle appeared. And robots must build 3D models taking into account the smallest details, taking into account any enemy objects that have appeared in real time.

Otherwise, taking the map, which was compiled two weeks ago, as a basis, we will not get a real picture. It is important to clearly define what is happening and where, and immediately respond. This problem will be solved now.

In addition, new communication channels are needed ...

- Alexey Alekseevich, are you talking about the plans of your Robotics Center or what should be done in principle in the field of military robotics now?

- Our center is not engaged in communication channels. But we feel the need for such well-protected channels that cannot be disabled by jamming.

And our center is engaged in various areas. Robotics is a synthetic science, starting with control boards for hydraulic and electric drives and ending with artificial intelligence. We create automovement systems, stationary and mobile sapper machines, ranging from drive design to software tools that implement artificial intelligence.

- Can you also create reconnaissance and shock systems?

- In total, MSTU has four divisions that deal with different areas of robotics, including these issues. In addition, the scientific research institute of special mechanical engineering has tasks similar to ours (sapper robotics, reconnaissance-impact machines). We in the center create reconnaissance robots that move along the ground or even are able to penetrate into hard-to-reach cavities (the drone from above cannot see what is in the arch, in the tunnel). I repeat, coordination of ground and air robots is needed, so the task of controlling the group of robots is very important. Many are doing this now; I think that we will get results at the Moscow State Technical University in the coming year.

- And then robots will be able to fight without control from the operator?

- At the next stage, there will be a combined control, that is, the tasks at some top level are set by the operator to a unit from several machines. But to find manpower or enemy equipment and hit it, this group will be quite capable without a person. The main thing is to indicate to her the search area.

- And the robots will perform the task, clearly distinguishing our troops and the enemy using the "friend or foe" system?

- There are no such opportunities yet. A robot is a machine in which a program is laid by man. And, of course, you need to be very careful here, because any technique sometimes fails. It depends on many factors, including software and element base.

- By the way, do our robots have an element base?

- Unfortunately, yes - by 90 percent. There are components that are not just supplied to us (suitable for military products or dual technologies). For example, high-resolution thermal imagers, high-power on-board computer, gearboxes that are used for pan-tilt devices, etc. Everything is produced either in the USA or in Taiwan, in Europe.

- And how do you get out of the situation?

- You can purchase chips, power components, which are used to create them. Therefore, there is only one way out: to develop our own compact boards and create controllers based on them under tough military requirements (the ability to operate in a wide range of temperatures, under the influence of vibration, etc.).

- Where is Russia now in military robotics?

- Any new development should be based on frames, and here we have problems. The Bologna system makes it easier for talented university graduates to apply their knowledge and skills abroad, if in our country they do not find work with the level of remuneration that they consider worthy. While there is no funding normal, no salaries, work on the creation of robotics, we are more like a hobby. Significantly, signal samples are created that are poorly adapted to perform the tasks characteristic of the troops of the Ministry of Defense. 90 percent of robotics we do for the FSB and the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

Another advantage of the United States is that their army fights every day, which allows you to quickly determine which robotics are needed, order it and get the finished product. They realized that they needed a powerful marine reconnaissance robot "Triton", and they made it. We saw that the wheeled vehicles were not suitable for tracking units in the mountains - they immediately ordered the necessary defense robot DARPA to the agency of advanced defense research projects and received a Big Dog (“Big Dog”) - a four-legged robot capable of moving with the special forces and carrying backpacks of soldiers .

The combat situation allows the Pentagon to identify the shortcomings of the created technology, the robots are constantly being run-in ...

- You can also make such a “big dog”?

- I do not want to praise myself ... We will try now to help security forces in the creation of such machines. But the cycle of their creation - two or three years. There is one more problem: we do not have such hydraulic cylinders with a small moving pressure, light compact pressure distributors (Big Dog's legs are moved using hydraulics), compact hydraulic stations. It is to be developed and made. Although the elements of this "dog" we have. For example, a walking hydraulic robot created at the E-10 department (the head is Stanislav Semyonov). In our department of the Research Institute of Special Mechanical Engineering of Moscow State Technical University, headed by Vladimir Kudryashov, we use wheeled walking technique. The department of Victor Dementei works towards the creation of hydraulic manipulators. So we can not say that we do not keep abreast. Just such tasks from the military has not yet been.

In my opinion, the former leadership of the Ministry of Defense has suffered in this area. Robotics in the United States has been developing actively, and a whole line of UAVs is already being used. And in our recent years, 20 has been poorly developed, and it would have been necessary to “get on the fast and the furious” in recent years, but this has not been done.

Let us hope that with the arrival at the Ministry of Defense Sergey Kuzhugetovich Shoigu, who paid much attention to robotics in his previous position (there are many such machines in the Emergencies Ministry now), positive changes will also occur in our army.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 13 August 2013 15: 48 New
    10
    When will we stop doing companionship:
    restructuring, nano, now robotics. And mostly words, words, and a bunch of output fool
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    2. OTTO
      OTTO 13 August 2013 16: 03 New
      +2
      I agree, we grab onto everything at once, try to catch it everywhere, as a result, the dispersal of funds and the meager returns. Our country has had experience in eliminating the backlog in a short time. Maybe try again?
      1. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 13 August 2013 16: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: OTTO
        Maybe try again?

        You look at the root, only at the 37th year, and it will not work differently ....
        Liberalists have penetrated the government very deeply, and financial flows through their hands are coming. For this, they organized their revolution in the 91st ...
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 13 August 2013 18: 19 New
          +2
          When I look at what is happening in Russia today, I understand that if you start to really put things in order, then perhaps those who go to clear the forest will be much more today than in the 37th.
        2. OTTO
          OTTO 13 August 2013 18: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: ziqzaq
          You look at the root, only the first 37th year,

          Siberia, however, there is plenty of room for everyone, and not so much has passed through it, as some wrote about it. And the rest is according to the classics: strict accounting and control and, of course, personnel who decide everything. Otherwise, as Stalin said, they will crush us,
      2. Genry
        Genry 13 August 2013 18: 46 New
        0
        Quote: OTTO
        we grab onto everything at once, try to be in time everywhere, as a result of a dispersion of means and scanty return.

        We grab it because we are behind. Succeeding everywhere means not to be left with a bare ass. Spraying funds - go "to the ball" to work. Miserable returns - everything has been done before us, only rake in with a shovel.
      3. Airman
        Airman 14 August 2013 00: 14 New
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        Quote: OTTO
        I agree, we grab onto everything at once, try to catch it everywhere, as a result, the dispersal of funds and the meager returns. Our country has had experience in eliminating the backlog in a short time. Maybe try again?

        And where will you find the new Stalin so that everything stolen by the oligarchs could be returned to the treasury and with this money to sharply increase the level of technological development? And without this, it will not work.
    3. Day 11
      Day 11 13 August 2013 16: 04 New
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      Probably never !!! The mentality, you know, whether. There is no getting around it!
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 13 August 2013 16: 27 New
        +3
        Ordinary populism, the soldiers still can’t dress normally, and Shoigu already give robots, and urgently - take and give birth, there are grandmas! laughing There is one character with eternal modernization and innovation, now another with robotization has appeared.
        Robots are a good addition to a battle-worthy army, so make the army battle-worthy first! And then you can already get fashionable lotions!
        1. Genry
          Genry 13 August 2013 18: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Robots are a good addition to a battle-worthy army, so make the army battle-worthy first! And then you can already get fashionable lotions!


          You are like Budyonny: give horses with saddles, but tanks and planes are not needed.
          1. saveall
            saveall 13 August 2013 19: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Genry
            You are like Budyonny: give horses with saddles, but tanks and planes are not needed.

            And robots are also needed ... But most of all, it is necessary to educate people who are capable of extraordinary and, I would say, sometimes daring actions when managing all this electronic "property". Nobody canceled the Suvorov principle “win not by numbers, but by skill” ... For example, Fedor Ushakov defeated the Turkish fleet at the Battle of Kaliakria, although Russian sailors could envy the qualities of Turkish ships ... Turkish ships were faster and more maneuverable (because they were trained allies, primarily France), and plus to all of them there were more. With all this, Ushak Pasha managed not to lose a single ship while the commander of the Turkish fleet Seit-Ali reported to the Sultan: “Oh, great! Your fleet is gone! ”... After which, of course, he was arrested ... Subsequently, the tactics used by Ushakov were assiduously assimilated by the greatest naval commanders in the world.
            So that...
      2. Airman
        Airman 14 August 2013 00: 19 New
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        Quote: Den 11
        Probably never !!! The mentality, you know, whether. There is no getting around it!

        And the saddest thing is that the elemental base is 90% imported, and that’s it.
  2. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 13 August 2013 15: 48 New
    +4
    As they say, God forbid. Good luck
  3. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 13 August 2013 16: 09 New
    +5
    We’ll come to robots anyway, there’s no getting around it.
    Technique is not people, it is not a pity.
    And to us in this matter to lag neither as nizya.

    I’m almost sure that with the introduction of such monsters into the troops a new profession will appear: a military hacker.
    The eyed-eyed bespectacled people of different countries in their underpants at the computers will compete in who can take control of enemy equipment from anyone.
    The dispute of protection and hacking of remote control and communication systems will be at the forefront of military conflicts.

    But:
    The territory will be considered captured only when a fighter enters its land and presses the tank with a harp.
    So it was, it is, and it will be so, even on Mars.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 13 August 2013 16: 57 New
      +2
      For the sake of laughter:

      I remembered somewhere the discussion of how to deal with an aircraft carrier -
      Release from the submarine a mulen of combat and evil artificial flies, and the crew of the crew ...
      winked

      This armored one is 150 years old.
      Nanomotor required.
  4. 12345
    12345 13 August 2013 16: 15 New
    +8
    Robots are kaneshno, okay, BUT ...

    IMHO, abusive robots - this is another "trick" for the convenience of milking (or - milking?) Of local taxpayers.

    Remember how famously "the most modern Japanese robots in the world" danced?

    And when did you need to climb into the core at Fukushima?

    Huh? That's it ...

    And, in “backward Russia”, strangely enough, meanwhile, the NEEDED robots “suddenly” showed up!
  5. lucidlook
    lucidlook 13 August 2013 16: 25 New
    +4
    - And the robots will perform the task, clearly distinguishing our troops and the enemy using the "friend or foe" system?

    - There are no such opportunities yet. A robot is a machine in which a program is laid by man. And, of course, you need to be very careful here, because any technique sometimes fails. It depends on many factors, including software and element base.


    Reminded of "Sirens of the Titan" by Kurt Vonnegut:

    “They made one more discovery: they really didn’t even know how to exterminate each other. Then they entrusted the matter to the machines. And the machines did away with this business faster than you had time to say“ Tralfamador ””
    1. PPL
      PPL 13 August 2013 16: 57 New
      +2
      Reminded of "Sirens of the Titan" by Kurt Vonnegut:


      Here is a continuation from the same book, in my opinion now it is very important ...
      "It seems to me that someone up there treats me well."
  6. michajlo
    michajlo 13 August 2013 16: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: seasoned
    When will we stop doing companionship:
    restructuring, nano, now robotics. And mostly words, words, and a bunch of output fool

    Good afternoon, dear "experienced"! You have definitely noticed the essence of the events. good
    In addition, the BR (combat robots) will help reduce human casualties and perform individual (not all combat missions)they are all dangerous
    - as they create in the military, polit. management and military operators "false sense of impunity", which is fraught with an easy escalation of any conflict right up to the use of nuclear weapons (I’m not a military professional, just a civilian technician. specialist).

    And also on the battlefield, not one robot will accomplish a feat, will not show the wonders of endurance and fearlessness that invincible, fearless soldiers and officers who defeat the enemy, not only with weapons, knowledge, experience, but also with their VICTORY SPIRIT!

    And the victorious spirit of the DEFENDER of his Motherland and the consciousness of the RIGHT CASE, no software will install the robot!
    We see examples in the history of 1941-1945 and now 2011-present in Syria.
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    2. Day 11
      Day 11 13 August 2013 16: 31 New
      +1
      Wehrmacht soldiers also possessed these qualities
    3. gileon
      gileon 13 August 2013 16: 41 New
      0
      YES !!!! YOU are deeply right. What is the difference between a mosquito and a robot for me personally?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 13 August 2013 16: 44 New
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        We need to raise the rating of the article! Let's discuss my favorite topic! wink
  7. Alexey M
    Alexey M 13 August 2013 16: 27 New
    +3
    I don’t know about robots, but UAVs in reconnaissance are awesome. And no one has shock robots anyway. But it’s so good that the robot climbed first and then the person.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 13 August 2013 18: 50 New
      +1
      In addition, there is such a thing, reconnaissance in battle. Send the robot forward, let it rustle, even shoot aimlessly, detect firing points and urine. angry
  8. gileon
    gileon 13 August 2013 16: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: Peaceful military
    As they say, God forbid. Good luck

    Maybe you accidentally said this, but how much truth is there. Our YARILO farted once and ..... to robotics ...
  9. niecke
    niecke 13 August 2013 17: 00 New
    +9
    already zadolbali these cheers-articles !!! we have at the factory of domestic new equipment-ZERO !!! there is only junk-50 years ago !!! and the new one is all import (China) even SHOVELS !!! what are we talking about? what scientific breakthrough ?? in scientists, I just don’t doubt, but thieves from the authorities ... this is all PI-PI-PI !!! and try to convince me! maybe arguments in the form of homeless people in the trash? homeless kids ?? synebolov ??? garbage of the lawless? ships of the unjust ?? thieving church ...
    1. niecke
      niecke 13 August 2013 17: 09 New
      0
      but minus only the enemies of the people and the creatures paid for Sat!
    2. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 13 August 2013 17: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: niecke
      we have a factory of domestic new equipment-ZERO !!!

      Well, and whining?
      Everywhere so.

      We wouldn’t lose our Kulibins, but the Slavic spirit couldn’t err.
      But machines are a matter of gain.

      By the way, today is the day of Leshvi, seem to be worldwide. Among them are many talented.
      Happy Holidays, Kulibiny!
      drinks

      It’s better to be so humorous than to hear again about "delayed polymers, delayed !!!"
      Not minus, laziness is simple.
      1. niecke
        niecke 13 August 2013 17: 24 New
        +4
        your words, yes to God’s ears ... but for now we have kpica for him !!!
      2. lucidlook
        lucidlook 14 August 2013 23: 40 New
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        Quote: Aleks tv
        Everywhere so.

        Where is it everywhere? Where did you personally see it? Remember, I have managed to live a lot in which countries, and not for a week, so I know for sure.
    3. Airman
      Airman 14 August 2013 00: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: niecke
      already zadolbali these cheers-articles !!! we have at the factory of domestic new equipment-ZERO !!! there is only junk-50 years ago !!! and the new one is all import (China) even SHOVELS !!! what are we talking about? what scientific breakthrough ?? in scientists, I just don’t doubt, but thieves from the authorities ... this is all PI-PI-PI !!! and try to convince me! maybe arguments in the form of homeless people in the trash? homeless kids ?? synebolov ??? garbage of the lawless? ships of the unjust ?? thieving church ...

      No, I don’t trust the Chinese shovel. The best is BSL-110 Cheka.
  10. Manager
    Manager 13 August 2013 17: 17 New
    +7
    What can our designers and engineers offer the Ministry of Defense today and what are they capable of creating in the near future?

    And this is not because scientists are stupid, scientists are the best in the world. Just as always, all patents, etc., go to the west. I’m not saying by hearsay!
    1. Manager
      Manager 13 August 2013 17: 19 New
      0
      Forgot the most important thing. PROSRALIVE ALL POLYMERS !!!!!!
  11. clean water
    clean water 13 August 2013 17: 39 New
    +1
    I wonder if there is an alternative to our parade.
  12. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 August 2013 18: 10 New
    +1
    Yes, we are lagging behind in this direction (and some are mocking ..) but there is one such “small” plus sign .. Unlike the West (which invests hundreds of billions in the development and production of these machines), we always have problems with financing or steal or sloppiness .. but at the same time, in which case we can concentrate our scientific and production potential .. and give out such that their entire army of robots will turn out to be simple toys .. (and all this will be cheap and cheerful ..) .. That we are not just proved .. As they say wait and see .. play. repeat
  13. novobranets
    novobranets 13 August 2013 18: 35 New
    0
    Quote: michajlo
    In addition to the fact that BRs (combat robots) will help to reduce human losses and carry out individual (not all combat missions), they are all dangerous,
    At exactly belay
    Quote: MIKHAN
    As they say, wait and see .. play.

    As the saying goes, wait, see, play ... play out. laughing And traditional PROSRALIVSEMOLYMERS laughing
  14. kafa
    kafa 13 August 2013 22: 35 New
    0
    Do you have a terminator?
    Yes, almost ready!
    - why, it looks like a locomotive with a floor lamp ?!
    is a domestic prototype development ..... repeat
  15. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 13 August 2013 22: 41 New
    0
    Quote: OTTO
    I agree, we grab onto everything at once, try to catch it everywhere, as a result, the dispersal of funds and the meager returns. Our country has had experience in eliminating the backlog in a short time. Maybe try again?

    Well, it’s just the scientific companies in my opinion that should deal with pulling up various lags.
    Young brains, computerization, and even our youth in this and in mathematics are far from backward, so giving them directions and everything should work!
  16. Viacheslav
    Viacheslav 13 August 2013 23: 28 New
    +1
    I, as a recent graduate of Baumanka with a degree in Nanotechnology of Radio-Electronic Equipment, I can say that all talented students scatter in foreign companies (such as Johnson & Johnson, Unilever, audit and consulting companies operating in the field of finance). Personally, I went to work in SAP (a German IT company). The opportunity to work in the specialty is only in various research institutes, while receiving 20-30 tr for many years (if you are a visitor, then this is unrealistic). With experience of 3 years in IT, I’m already getting the amount with 5 zeros in my hands, and this doesn’t compare to working at a research institute.

    In Russian private companies, engineers can also get decent money, but, unfortunately, private organizations are not focused on innovative technologies, since investing in new ones is not profitable for them.
    1. lucidlook
      lucidlook 14 August 2013 23: 50 New
      0
      He said everything correctly. I AM personally I’m familiar with people whom foreign companies have written out of the country in whole issues from faculties of interest. But it used to be so - in the late 90s. Now it has become easier when these companies opened offices, affiliates and affiliated companies in the Russian Federation. Now, yesterday, smart students go to work in them, but in fact, again, on overseas capital. At the same time, the company is saving money - you don’t need to write anyone out, you don’t have to pay any fees or taxes, nor do you need to pay taxes. The student is also a plus, everything is nearby. The only question is, who is at the helm of these companies, who exactly tells whom and what to do there, for whose good?
  17. ty60
    ty60 13 August 2013 23: 38 New
    0
    Not only brains with fundamental developments to finance. Implementation technologies are far behind. We solve these problems in force majeure