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Russia arms the Caspian countries to maintain stability in the Caspian Sea

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After the collapse of the USSR, the legal status of the Caspian Sea has become and remains one of the main unresolved issues. The solution to this problem is greatly complicated by several factors:


1. The Caspian Sea has no direct connection with the world's oceans; therefore, the principles of the division of territorial waters, as for the “real” sea, cannot be applied to it.

2. The last treaty on the legal status of the Caspian Sea was signed in 1940 between the USSR and Iran. He established a fishing zone in 10-ti nautical miles from the coast of these states, and made it possible for unimpeded movement of merchant ships throughout the Caspian. In this case, nothing about the rules of exploration and extraction of natural resources and minerals in the contract was not. The situation was aggravated by the fact that after the collapse of the USSR, 5 states with access to the Caspian became Russia, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Iran.

3. Began active development of Caspian oil and gas resources. the location of oil and gas fields in the Caspian Sea began to influence the bottom demarcation schemes.

Russia, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan reached a certain compromise in the negotiations - the general sense is to delimit along the line of equal distance from the coast. Iran categorically disagrees with such an option of separation (in this case it gets about 14% of the Caspian area) and Turkmenistan. Iran offers an equal distribution of the area - by 20% of each of the countries, and Turkmenistan is a more complicated way - determining the coordinates of the median line by the method of equidistant points, by latitudes. The trick is that in this case, Turkmenistan will get some controversial oil and gas fields, in addition, the border will be markedly closer to the shores of Azerbaijan.

The diametrically opposed interests and the reluctance to go for compromises led in recent years to active militarization and build-up of the forces of the Navy of the Caspian states. This is especially true in the case of Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan, which have very tough disagreements over the development of three fields - Khazar (Azeri Azeri), Osman (Chirag) and Serdar (Kapaz) ). All these fields are located closer to the shores of Turkmenistan, but Azerbaijan appeals to the fact that Baku oilmen were involved in these fields in the USSR. It also makes sense to elaborate on the Iranian Navy, which could hypothetically clash with the forces of Azerbaijan if the territory of Azerbaijan is used as a springboard for the military campaign against Iran by Israel and the United States.

Now it is worthwhile to dwell in greater detail on the current state and prospects of development of the Navy of the Caspian countries, and also try to calculate the results of possible confrontations. The most likely now is the emergence of an armed clash between Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan because of the above disputed fields. For an objective comparison, you first need to dwell on the composition of the naval forces of Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan.

At present, the Azerbaijani Navy is in a rather deplorable state, although fleet and such ships as the patrol ship of project 159A (the flagship of the Azerbaijani fleet), 5 missile and torpedo boats of projects 205U and 205P enter. The main problem is that anti-ship missiles (RCC) and torpedo tubes were removed from all these ships. As a result, only artillery pieces remained on them, which means that these ships can easily be destroyed by ships that have anti-ship missiles, as they can open high-precision fire from a long distance. Also, the Azerbaijani Navy includes 3 obsolete Soviet patrol boats and 1 obsolete Turkish one. Some assistance was provided by the United States - an obsolete Point boat patrol boat was handed over. According to some reports, another such boat was recently received. In addition, two to three Silver Ship 48-foot patrol boats and smaller equipment were received from the United States. This is where the interaction with the United States, somewhat bloated by the media, ends.

4 minesweepers of projects 1256 and 1258 are more or less meeting modern requirements. In addition, the Azerbaijani marines are more or less well equipped - for it, the Navy has 3 small landing ships of projects 771A, 770 and 106K and 1 landing boat of project 1785. In total, up to 800 marines and up to 20 can be transferred simultaneously with the help of them. tanks. Even after the collapse of the USSR, Azerbaijan was left with ultra-small submarines (group carriers of combat swimmers) of the Triton-1M and Triton-2 types, but these machines are also outdated and also have a very low range.

The Azerbaijani Navy will be radically strengthened by deliveries of the Russian Ukr-E X-35 anti-ship missiles, with a target range of up to 130 km. The cost of the contract according to TSAMTO is $ 75 million, the implementation will begin in 2014 year. RCC will probably be installed on rocket boats and the flagship of the fleet "Qusar" - the patrol ship of the 159A project.

The Turkmen Navy, despite the fact that until recently they were the weakest in the Caspian, now occupy the 2-second place in terms of firepower, after the Russian Federation. Affects the rapid and high-quality gain, begun in recent years. Until recently, Turkmenistan located on the Caspian Sea was actually only a coast guard.

The Navy of Turkmenistan currently includes 5 patrol boats of the Grif type, a boat from the 14081 Saiga project, 4 boats from the Kalkan-M type, supplied by Ukraine, and the basic minesweeper of the 1252 Corundum project. Also, the United States was given a decommissioned boat type "Point". According to some rumors, including from Wikileaks, Turkmenistan wanted to establish serious cooperation with the United States, but so far nothing has been sufficiently large. The main striking force of the Navy of Turkmenistan was the 2011 2 missile boats delivered by the 12418 project set by the Russian Federation in 16. Each of them is armed with the 130 PKR Uran-E "with a firing range of up to 3 km. These ships are superior in power to the Iranian Sina missile boats. Contracts for the supply of more 2014-same ships were signed. Supplies will probably be implemented in the XNUMX year. As we can see, Turkmenistan does not have a large number of ships, but at the same time they are all qualitatively many times higher than the same ships that are in service with the Azerbaijani Navy.

If we imagine a hypothetical conflict between Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan over oil and gas fields, the result so far may turn out to be rather sad for Azerbaijan - its ships not equipped with anti-ship missiles can be destroyed by enemy ships located almost near their coast, from unattainable distances. Some help to Azerbaijan could be provided by its Air Force, however aviation the grouping of Turkmenistan, represented by 24 MiG-29 fighters and 43 modernized Su-25 attack aircraft, even slightly exceeds the Azerbaijani Air Force. So until the moment when Azerbaijan receives its “Uranus”, the balance of forces will be noticeably shifted towards Turkmenistan.

Iran has the second largest power in the Navy after the Russian Federation in the Caspian Sea, which could theoretically be drawn into a conflict with NATO and in the Caspian basin. A rather interesting feature of the Iranian fleet is the absence of large ships in its composition. The fleet consists of more than 90 boats.

The basis of the military power of the Iranian fleet in the Caspian Sea are rocket boats of Houdong Chinese-made, German Kaman and Sina projects. The main armament of all these boats is Chinese anti-ship missiles YJ-82, with a range of damage up to 120 km. The only disadvantage of these missiles compared with the X-35 - less accuracy. On the boat "Sina", Iran began to install its own anti-ship missiles - Noor, with a range of damage also up to 120 km. In addition, Iran is planning to build 1-2 large ships - corvettes equipped with Noor anti-ship missiles, as well as to build light rocket boats with short-range anti-ship missiles (X-75) made in China before 10. The range for the FL 701 is 10-15 km, and the warhead weight is about 20 kg. With such a composition of the Navy, and besides a sufficiently large air force, Iran is incomparably stronger and can sweep the fleet of any Caspian country, except the Russian Federation. So Iran has something to back up its claims on the 30% of the Caspian Sea basin.

Kazakhstan also participates in the arms race in the Caspian, despite its relatively neutral position on the division of the waters of the Caspian Sea, which almost completely coincides with the principles proposed by Russia. This is a rather far-sighted step, otherwise, in the near future, Kazakhstan’s interests could be neglected.

The flagship of the Kazakh flotilla is the only rocket boat "Kazakhstan" project 20971. The basis of the ship’s armament is eight X-35 anti-ship missiles. In the coming years, Kazakhstan will receive three rocket boats of the Yoon Young-ha type, ordered in South Korea. In 2006, three artillery boats of the Sea Dolphin type were received from South Korea. The rest of the fleet is represented mainly by patrol and patrol boats. Of these, 4 was donated to Kazakhstan by the United States in 2006. The navy of Kazakhstan may well stand up for themselves in case of any encroachment on the part of Azerbaijan or Turkmenistan.

The RF has the most powerful naval forces in the Caspian. The structure of the Caspian flotilla of the Russian Navy includes: 2 rocket ships of the 11661 project, such as "Cheetah" - are the most powerful surface ships located in the Caspian Sea. Armed with anti-ship missiles (ASM) X-35 "Uranus", with a range of destruction up to 130 km and cruise missiles "Caliber" with a range of destruction up to 300 km. 4 small artillery ship - 1 modernized ship project 12411 and 3 new ship project 21630, such as "Buyan".

5 artillery boats - 4 obsolete boats of the 1204 project and one 1400 project.

5 rocket boats - 3 obsolete boats of the 206-MP project, equipped with the Termite P-15M anti-ship missile system, with a range of damage to 80 km, 1 12411T launch boat, with the P-15М anti-ship missile system, and 1, the new 12421 project rocket, Molnie of the gun; P-270 "Mosquito", with a range of damage to 120 km.

6 landing craft projects 1176, 11770 and 21820.

5 Minesweeper projects 10750, 1258 and 12650.

The 3 new rocket ships of the 21631 project, which will be equipped with Onyx anti-ship missiles with a range of up to 300 km or Caliber cruise missiles, have already been laid. Also in plans is the decommissioning of outdated artillery boats and the construction of at least 7 artillery ships of the 21630 project.

Also a powerful argument in favor of the Russian Federation are also coastal complexes "Ball", equipped with anti-ship missiles X-35 "Uran" and deployed in Dagestan.

A large number of anti-ship missiles (many of which have an exceptional range), armed with the Caspian flotilla of the Russian Navy, will allow in the event of a conflict to destroy enemy ships from inaccessible distances. In addition, Russia can always pull powerful anti-ship aviation into the conflict zone, which will absolutely have nothing to oppose to other Caspian countries.

From all of the above, we can conclude that the legal status of the Caspian is unlikely to be determined in the foreseeable future. However, the likelihood of local conflicts will decrease from year to year, since the parties will already accumulate a huge amount of powerful anti-shipable means by the year of 2015-2016. In this situation, the price of a possible conflict becomes too great, and the result is unpredictable. You can also trace an important trend - Russia is arming all the Caspian countries, except Iran, with the same U-10 X-35 RCC. This will soon lead to the achievement of a sufficiently strong parity in the Caspian. Only the Russian Navy, which will be dominant, will stand out noticeably, which will help to maintain a stable situation in the Caspian Sea. Also apart is Iran in all of this, which will have to by all means try to get the desired 20% of the Caspian waters, no matter what.
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  1. alone
    alone 12 August 2013 16: 08
    10
    it's time to solve this problem of the Caspian division. too long is a problem that interferes with the development of relations between countries
    1. experienced
      experienced 12 August 2013 16: 54
      +6
      However, the likelihood of local conflicts will decrease year by year, since the parties will accumulate a huge amount of powerful anti-ship funds by 2015-2016. In this situation, the price of a possible conflict becomes too high, and the result is unpredictable.

      And I used to think that the likelihood of conflicts is decreasing when countries disarm and seek to resolve border issues through diplomatic means, but the Armenian analyst is the analyst ... recourse
      Diplomatic negotiations are impossible, everyone rested and "do not step back", they are not arming themselves in order to stun fish, which means they are preparing to defend their interests by all available means. I am glad that Russia, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are acting as "one front".
      PS Why do the Uran-E anti-ship missiles (export version) and the Uran anti-ship missiles have the same range of damage of 130 km? I believed that the export version is always with the worst characteristics.
      1. alone
        alone 12 August 2013 17: 02
        +4
        Why do the Uran-E anti-ship missile (export version) and the Uran anti-ship missile ship have the same hitting range of 130 km? I believed that the export version is always with the worst characteristics.

        it's all from the excess of knowledge of a political scientist.
        1. voliador
          voliador 13 August 2013 01: 58
          +3
          It's not just about range. The number of guidance channels, the availability of electronic warfare to overcome enemy air defense, etc. It will be enough to underestimate these (well, or some other) characteristics and for our ship's air defense systems it will already be an easier target.
      2. Su24
        Su24 12 August 2013 18: 32
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        And I used to think that the likelihood of conflicts is decreasing when countries disarm and seek to resolve border issues through diplomatic means, but the Armenian analyst is the analyst ..


        You are the "still the same analyst")) In the case of parity of armaments, the likelihood of conflict is also reduced. See the title of the article: "Russia Arms the Caspian Countries to Maintain Stability in the Caspian."
      3. xetai9977
        xetai9977 12 August 2013 20: 59
        +3
        In fact, the importance of the fleets for the Caspian is greatly exaggerated. It is just a lake, although the largest in the world. A small flotilla of boats is enough. God forbid in force majeure situations, the final word will be with aviation.
      4. tungus
        tungus 12 August 2013 22: 27
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        PS Why do the Uran-E anti-ship missiles (export version) and the Uran anti-ship missiles have the same range of damage of 130 km?

        Wikipedia broadcasts that the range of the Kh-35 missile in the Uran U complex is 260 km. "Uranium U" is exactly what goes for domestic consumption.
    2. Civil
      Civil 12 August 2013 20: 12
      +5
      how to say more diplomatic .... well, in general, Russia in this region dominates in terms of military force
  2. alone
    alone 12 August 2013 16: 10
    +6
    Azerbaijani territory will be used as a springboard for a military campaign against Iran by Israel and the United States.


    100 times they have already said about this. They still will not calm down. do not give your dreams for reality
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 12 August 2013 23: 38
      -1
      Quote: lonely
      as a bridgehead for a military campaign against Iran by Israel and the United States.


      100 times they have already said about this. They still will not calm down. do not give your dreams for reality

      Thanks to Putin and Russia, it has become dreams. Your dreams!
      1. alone
        alone 12 August 2013 23: 46
        +3
        you are not familiar with the constitution of Azerbaijan. it is clearly stated that no military bases of a third state should be on the territory of Azerbaijan. this has been accepted a long time before Putin. secondly, Azerbaijan consists in organizing the Non-Aligned Movement, i.e. we do not have the right to join any then military blocs. thirdly, an attack on Iran means an attack on the Azerbaijani population of Iran, of which there are tens of millions. Tell me, would Russia agree to use its territory to attack some state, knowing that tens of millions of Russians live there? We even sent amers further where should they be when they asked for the corridor for AWACS aircraft.
        so if you say something, say the facts, and not what all kinds of newspapers write.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 13 August 2013 01: 38
          +2
          The lone, I will say so, the idea of ​​some powerful in Az is about joining the northern territories of Iran. Az-en is an unfriendly country to Iran, territorially, economic. At the first opportunity, Az-an will bite off a piece of Iran, Russia simply stopped this process , in Syria. And non-alignment is only a document that will fly into the furnace at the first blood hi [
          1. alone
            alone 13 August 2013 11: 52
            0
            Do you know what powers Iran has? Even Iraq couldn’t chop off a piece from a country that, after the revolution, lacked qualified military specialists. Iran can put under arms 11 million! man. because some woes political scientists may star about claims to Iran does not mean the official policy of the authorities of Azerbaijan. and in Iran there are people who claim that Azerbaijan is part of Iran))) there was no process and there couldn’t be. how do you think how can the country , in which 20% of the territories are occupied, say this? Less believe those political scientists who talk about it. Political scientists are talkative people. They scratch their tongue better than any broom.
  3. Unknown
    Unknown 12 August 2013 16: 10
    -2
    The need for this fleet can be argued because the Russian Federation has good relations with all countries of the Caspian.
    1. rainufa
      rainufa 13 August 2013 02: 06
      +4
      If you have a strong army and navy, then everyone will go to you and try to smile, but if you are weak, you will not be paid attention to and they will take away a piece of land.

      Well what are you saying.
  4. smersh70
    smersh70 12 August 2013 16: 15
    +8
    I swear what you want, after the first lines I thought, the article was written again by an Armenian political scientist laughing and immediately looked at the name of the author, and hit the mark fellow
    there truly is no prophet in his own country --- our neighbors began to think about the Caspian already, as if to harm us and our neighbors with such libels)))))))

    and lastly, HOW MUCH IT IS POSSIBLE TO PUT ARMENIAN POLITICAL SCIENTISTS, WELL DELIVER AT LEAST ONE TIME OPINIONS OF POLITICAL SCIENTISTS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES .... fool
    1. alone
      alone 12 August 2013 16: 17
      +6
      Vurgun, what do you have with the flag?))
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 12 August 2013 16: 36
        +4
        Quote: lonely
        what do you have with the flag?))


        I myself was stunned)))))) this is probably due to the fact that I am visiting Uncle Misha)))))) more precisely, Uncle Bidzina)))))) by the way the situation is the same here)))) the truth also quieter))) they don’t take bribes, whatever you want, you can talk)))) the prices have risen))) by the way, based on the operational situation, I realized that Bedzina did not justify the high confidence placed in him laughing in the elections they will vote for the person Uncle Misha))))
        1. alone
          alone 12 August 2013 16: 43
          +4
          well this is their problemdrinks ))))))))
  5. Airman
    Airman 12 August 2013 16: 15
    0
    In the fight for oil, all means are good, especially since our flotilla alone can destroy all the navies of other countries. Asians respect strength.
    1. alone
      alone 12 August 2013 16: 34
      13
      )) Well, you have something to destroy))) but you can agree))) forgot how Russia and Azerbaijan bent down nabucco? it did not take anyone to destroy it))) just sat down and agreed on how to follow this so as not to harm each other))
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 12 August 2013 20: 42
        +3
        If the Union had not collapsed, then negotiating and bending would have been much easier ... Iran would have received a legitimate 14% and all things, and the whole conversation on this ...
        1. alone
          alone 12 August 2013 22: 34
          +7
          Victor, it was not us who ruined the USSR. We even said "yes" to the referendum. The cursed bear marked all sold with giblets.
  6. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 12 August 2013 16: 23
    +5
    Turkmenistan and Iran do not agree, and their options do not agree with each other either. Moreover, both options infringe not only each other, but also Azerbaijan.
    It is interesting that Turkmenistan is a non-aligned state, Iran in itself, Azerbaijan with NATO Turkey. And Russia and Kazakhstan are in the CSTO.
    For any 2 military bloc, they will agree and infringe on options for isolates and cosmopolitans.
  7. pa_nik
    pa_nik 12 August 2013 16: 25
    +7
    Quote: smersh70
    HOW MUCH CAN ARMENIAN POLITICAL SCIENTISTS BE PUT


    Who prevents you from "squeezing" your opinion or posting an article on a topic and point of view that is interesting to you and you agree with it !? hi
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 12 August 2013 16: 32
      +4
      Quote: pa_nik
      Who prevents you from "squeezing" your opinion or posting an article on the topic and point of view


      the title article is one thing, and the commentary is another thing ... and as soon as we begin to comment, a friend of shovels comes in and others like them - say, finish srach, Russia will come and put everyone in their place right away smile
      1. sashka
        sashka 12 August 2013 16: 47
        +1
        Putin was "personally" created a search engine "to track the" unreliable ""
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 13 August 2013 01: 48
      +1
      Quote: pa_nik
      Who prevents you from "squeezing" your opinion or posting an article on a topic and point of view that is interesting to you and you agree with it !?
      Sorry friend accidentally put a minus
  8. sashka
    sashka 12 August 2013 16: 40
    0
    Everything was already .. It is not necessary to invent and suck from the finger. Maybe the "fools" remained but did not disappear ..
  9. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 12 August 2013 16: 42
    +6
    But our "neighbors" do not value Russia. That would be amers instead of us, the Caspian would have long been under the striped flag. Democracy was established among neighbors. And the Russians, on the contrary, you know, want peace.
    1. alone
      alone 12 August 2013 16: 47
      +4
      look at the top who offers the Caspian divide, and then talk about the neighbors.
      1. sashka
        sashka 12 August 2013 16: 53
        0
        Regarding the Caspian .. I already wrote .. Last year ..
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 12 August 2013 17: 13
      +7
      Quote: Olegovi4
      But our "neighbors" do not value Russia. That would be amers instead of us, long ago the Caspian would have been under the striped flag ...

      The suppression strategy loses in the long run.
      She is good for those who want to live in chocolate now. And it brings global problems to future generations. What the states are now illustrating.
      The strength of Russia has always been in the pursuit of truth and justice. This is a worthy goal.
      And, in general, we have nowhere to rush. Time works for us in this region.
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 12 August 2013 17: 42
      +4
      Quote: Olegovi4
      There would be amers instead of us, the Caspian would have been under the striped flag a long time ago. The neighbors established democracy. But Russians, on the contrary, understand that they want peace.


      It’s not necessary to write in a conditional language, ah, if, oh, it would be. None of the Caspian littoral countries wants to see the United States in the Caspian region. Name at least one of them that would like to be present but only with facts and links. I won’t accept another answer.
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 12 August 2013 22: 46
        +4
        You absolutely did not understand the meaning of what was written. Did I write that any country wants to see Yusovites? And I wrote about the fact that the Americans, "adored" by some, would not even think about how to divide the Caspian. The sea would be theirs. And who does not agree - "then we fly to you!"
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 12 August 2013 23: 20
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        No need to write in conditional language ah if, oh here it was
        If you didn’t notice Apallon, then on this site 80% of articles and comments from the series if yes koby.
  10. sashka
    sashka 12 August 2013 16: 51
    +3
    "Only" for 40 Forty million .. Chubais drives with a medical officer .. And you say roads and weapons .. It's funny ..
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 12 August 2013 22: 30
      +1
      Quote: Sasha
      "Only" for 40 Forty million .. Chubais drives with a medical officer .. And you say roads and weapons .. It's funny ..


      by the way about roads, in order to somehow relieve a nervous discussion on a branch, a video about roads

      Rostov - Yaroslavl region 2013 July month
      belay
      1. phantom359
        phantom359 12 August 2013 23: 36
        -1
        Quote: Apollon
        Quote: Sasha
        "Only" for 40 Forty million .. Chubais drives with a medical officer .. And you say roads and weapons .. It's funny ..


        by the way about roads, in order to somehow relieve a nervous discussion on a branch, a video about roads

        Rostov - Yaroslavl region 2013 July month
        belay

        there, what, nuclear weapons tests conducted?
        1. alone
          alone 13 August 2013 00: 06
          +2
          no. this means that the money for the road was simply pocketed))
      2. rainufa
        rainufa 13 August 2013 02: 11
        +3
        Stones, sand, regretted the same marshland.
      3. Alex Nick
        Alex Nick 13 August 2013 03: 46
        0
        Rostov - Yaroslavl region 2013 July. Where is Rostov and where is the Yaroslavl region?
        1. Armata
          Armata 14 August 2013 01: 50
          -1
          I mean the city of Rostov the Great smile
  11. JonnyT
    JonnyT 12 August 2013 17: 20
    +6
    While everyone agrees and shares, Azerbaijan is already pumping
  12. Siberian
    Siberian 12 August 2013 17: 29
    +4
    Around the Caspian Sea several states are located. And people live in them. Only now, oil officials, rats, do not care if they lick their tower there, let the people even wrap bots. If you didn’t quite correctly say, correct it.
  13. Siberian
    Siberian 12 August 2013 17: 42
    0
    Quote: Sasha
    "Only" for 40 Forty million .. Chubais drives with a medical officer .. And you say roads and weapons .. It's funny ..
    good good
  14. sub307
    sub307 12 August 2013 17: 48
    +2
    "... the preservation of a stable situation in the Caspian Sea" would be helped most of all by preventing the loss of territories by Russia as a result of the collapse of the USSR.
  15. Tykta
    Tykta 12 August 2013 17: 56
    -5
    Armenians guard the interests of the United States ... arming only because the likelihood of a conflict between NATO countries and Iran in the Caspian zone is great. and this is World War 3, the Great Asian War.
  16. Siberian
    Siberian 12 August 2013 17: 59
    +1
    Quote: Tykta
    Armenians guard the interests of the United States ... arming only because the likelihood of a conflict between NATO countries and Iran in the Caspian zone is great. and this is World War 3, the Great Asian War.

    And in more detail you can?
    1. Tykta
      Tykta 12 August 2013 22: 14
      -6
      knowledge multiplies sorrows ... I’m not ready to share information with Downs; those who understand me do not ask those questions ...
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 13 August 2013 17: 55
        0
        What a fool?
        1. Tykta
          Tykta 15 August 2013 01: 02
          +1
          I can give the axis of confrontation of the Caspian countries - but why? you don’t give a damn about it, but for the sake of idle interest of the townsfolk, I’m not ready to abuse my opinion.
  17. Kiliny
    Kiliny 12 August 2013 18: 35
    +1
    the title article is one thing, and the commentary is another thing ... and as soon as we begin to comment, a friend of shovels comes in and others like them - say, finish srach, Russia will come and put everyone in their place right away smile[/ Quote]

    Hit the point. It will be so.
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  18. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 12 August 2013 18: 48
    +3
    In order to ensure stability in the region and peace of mind, you must first of all arm yourself ...
  19. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 August 2013 18: 51
    +4
    If it weren’t for the Anglo-Saxons (poking their nose everywhere ..) I think the Caspian was quietly divided, and even joint ventures would be created .. and the environment was protected .. As soon as in this (and any other region of the world) the constructive processes of rapprochement begin, they are right there .. .stsuki ...
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 12 August 2013 20: 52
      +1
      Do you think Iran and Turkmenistan are ruled by the Anglo-Saxons?
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  21. Siberian
    Siberian 12 August 2013 18: 54
    0
    [quote] [quote = KilinY] one thing is the heading article, and another thing is the commentary ... and as soon as we start to comment, a friend of shovels comes in and others like them - say, finish srach, Russia will come and put everyone in their place right away. smile[/ Quote]

    Hit the point. So it will be. [/ Quote] [/ quote]
    Sorry, minus accidentally.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 12 August 2013 19: 46
    +3
    The oil card is played mainly by the Americans, but here everything will most likely depend on relations with Russia.
    The countries of the region themselves are weak enough for truly decisive actions at sea.
  23. Lecha57
    Lecha57 12 August 2013 19: 54
    +3
    The sea cannot be divided, but the brains can, but who and how? - ...
  24. Revolver
    Revolver 12 August 2013 20: 42
    0
    Iran also stands apart in all of this, which will have to do everything in its power to get the desired 20% of the Caspian, no matter what.

    Well, well, as they say, give Allah to the Iranian calf of the wolves to eat. laughing
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    1. experienced
      experienced 12 August 2013 21: 05
      +2
      Quote: Ugra
      One thing I know for sure, Russia will always come to help Kazakhstan. And let these Turkmenbashi and Azerbaijanis fight to the victory. Maybe, even in Russia there will be less Azerbots-bandyukes, they will leave, they will go to fight and they will disappear without a trace.

      Yeah !!! Think cool ... Azerbaijan is playing with us in the Caspian Sea! Do you need to tell something else? Prioritize correctly! bully
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 August 2013 21: 13
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        Azerbaijan acts in the Caspian with us!

        Is not a fact. They are for his speedy section. But Russia and Iran are dragging this section as far as they can. So that pipelines are not built.
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 12 August 2013 23: 32
        -1
        Quote: seasoned
        about ... Azerbaijan acts in the Caspian with us
        Azerbaijan as an English flag, five years in one direction blows five years in the other, trust is not enough
        1. alone
          alone 12 August 2013 23: 38
          +2
          apparently you do not please.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 13 August 2013 01: 57
            0
            Quote: lonely
            apparently you do not please.
            I do not need to please, do it at least for yourself. It helps.
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 12 August 2013 21: 33
      +1
      Quote: Ugra
      One thing I know for sure, Russia will always come to help Kazakhstan.

      ATP of course, but Kazakhstan, in principle, has no problems in the Caspian.
      We don’t border on Iran (this is clearly visible on the exposed map), but everything has been coordinated with the others for a long time .. This dilemma is for Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and the Russian Federation ..
      Still, the Turkmens and Azerbaijanis somehow could not share the disputed oil field ..
      R.S .: A new oil field was discovered in Kazakhstan.
      http://www.zakon.kz/site_main_news/4570011-v-kazakhstane-obnaruzheno-novoe.html
  26. Siberian
    Siberian 12 August 2013 22: 40
    +2
    Quote: Tykta
    knowledge multiplies sorrows ... I’m not ready to share information with Downs; those who understand me do not ask those questions ...

    Looks like you saddened? And if you are not ready to share information with Downs, you just have nothing to say. A little bit more culturally in terms you need to be. This is an insult on your part.
  27. gerafak
    gerafak 12 August 2013 22: 57
    +5
    Quote: Unknown
    The need for this fleet can be argued because the Russian Federation has good relations with all countries of the Caspian.


    Within a 2-day canal system, ships from the Caspian can be transferred to the Black Sea. So this is our reserve and let it be!
  28. zollstab
    zollstab 12 August 2013 23: 15
    +3
    Russia will come and immediately put everyone in their place - a very true and pleasant to the hearing remark !!
  29. alone
    alone 12 August 2013 23: 35
    +3
    A detachment of ships of the Caspian flotilla of Russia arrived in Baku with a friendly visit. Welcome. Guests are welcome
  30. Druid
    Druid 13 August 2013 02: 06
    +5
    An article, or rather a burping of the next wise guy, an attempt to powder the brain and nothing more.
    Both Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan, and Azerbaijan have common interests. The shelf of the Caspian Sea is important, but even more important is the export of oil and gas, and discussions on an alternative route bypassing Russia are not completely frozen.
    The meaning of Turkmenistan is to produce more gas if it can’t realize the current volumes, since it sits on a Gazprom pipe, which has nowhere to put its gas under obligations to buy Turkmen? At the same time, the construction of a trans-Caspian gas pipeline will allow large volumes to be realized, but this is not beneficial for Russia.
    By virtue of geography, Iran received a small piece of the shelf, this does not upset him, but it will not go to the development of a military conflict at sea with the same Azerbaijan, so Domoklov’s sword, to give another reason for striking is not in his interests.
    Alas, I’m waiting for the cons, but the booze comes from Russia, which is pushing the Caspian countries in its interests, and at the same time pushing the armament, which is usually and understandably, any country would behave in a similar situation and with similar opportunities. An alternative route for the export of raw materials from the region will damage economic interests, and also deprive them of their influence on the vast region. The conflict in the Caspian will be initiated by Russia as soon as the plans for the construction of the trans-Caspian pipeline take on real shape and prospects.
    So the "hand of Moscow" lol talk about the United States, etc., is inappropriate and groundless here, it is not beneficial for the conflict between Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan, as well as the listed countries themselves. Well, Iran is not up to it now.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 13 August 2013 02: 37
      +5
      Absolutely accurately outlined the situation, plus you. The local people are used to seeing the ears of Americans everywhere that they don’t notice their own)))
  31. Siberian
    Siberian 13 August 2013 06: 43
    0
    Quote: phantom359
    Quote: Apollon
    Quote: Sasha
    "Only" for 40 Forty million .. Chubais drives with a medical officer .. And you say roads and weapons .. It's funny ..


    by the way about roads, in order to somehow relieve a nervous discussion on a branch, a video about roads

    Rostov - Yaroslavl region 2013 July month
    belay

    there, what, nuclear weapons tests conducted?

    Yeah, the asphalt paved specifically. sad Thanks to the road builders.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 13 August 2013 19: 55
      0
      Quote: Siberian
      Yeah, the asphalt paved specifically. Thanks to the road builders

      As I understand it, this piece of road was laid right across the field on alumina!
      1. alone
        alone 13 August 2013 23: 33
        -1
        and without any strengthening work
  32. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 13 August 2013 10: 15
    +1
    Quote: gerafak
    Within a 2-day canal system, ships from the Caspian can be transferred to the Black Sea. So this is our reserve and let it be!

    That is, it will turn out in the opposite direction! If necessary. And who will tell you which class ships can pass through the canals from the Black Sea to the Caspian?
  33. foxhound
    foxhound 13 August 2013 11: 24
    0
    why not just divide the sea equally? why grab more and more?
  34. gerafak
    gerafak 13 August 2013 12: 11
    +1
    Medvedev Sergey - and get back. Volgo-Don - Depth - not less than 3,5 m., Dimensions of lock chambers - 145 × 18 meters. So consider it. And if it’s real, nothing really large will probably go away, the frigate is maximum. Although in Soviet times, in Gorky, nuclear submarines were made and delivered through canals to the sea.
  35. xczszs
    xczszs 13 August 2013 12: 18
    0
    The other day, I accidentally stumbled upon a site for checking fines in the traffic police, and by the way there you can dispute and pay online. For example, for 2 days I challenged 3 fines for a total of about 17 rubles. try it yourself, here is the link to the service - http://krz.ch/mbaza