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New Su-30CM and Yak-130 are coming to the troops

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The Russian Ministry of Defense and the Irkut Corporation signed a conclusion on the results of flight tests of the newest multi-purpose fighter Su-30CM. They were found to be satisfactory, which allows us to begin mass production and mass deliveries of fighters to the troops.


New Su-30CM and Yak-130 are coming to the troops

The plans of aircraft manufacturers - an increase in supply for the state defense order almost 2 times compared with 2012 year. Photo: Konstantin Zavrazhin / RG

It should be noted that the military department under the new minister not only finances defense contracts within a fixed time frame, but also keeps them under constant control. To check how the state defense order is being carried out, a delegation of the Ministry of Defense headed by Deputy Minister Yuri Borisov flew to the Irkutsk Aviation Plant. According to him, IAP is one of the most advanced in the country in terms of technical equipment, production organization, staffing and economic indicators. Borisov emphasized that 3,5 million rubles of average annual output per worker is "a very serious indicator."

According to the chief aviation - Deputy Commander in Chief of the Air Force for Aviation, Hero of Russia Colonel Sergei Kobylash, Su-30SM will significantly increase the combat capabilities of the Russian Air Force, as its ability to simultaneously detect and defeat several targets and super maneuverability are unique. Fighters will enter the Air Force as a whole squadron.

In 2012, the Russian Air Force transferred 17 aircraft. Borisoglebsky Training Center received the 15 combat training Yak-130. The design of the Yak-130 allows you to work out the piloting skills of all domestic 4-generation fighter jets, as well as the most popular foreign models. The creators claim that it is possible to master the piloting of fighters, even 5-th generation. It is planned to begin work on the creation of a full-fledged combat version of a light assault fighter based on a combat training aircraft.

The plans of aircraft manufacturers for this year - an increase in deliveries on state defense orders almost 2 times compared to 2012 year. In total, in the next 3, the Russian Defense Ministry will receive the 60 Su-30CM and 55 combat Yak-130.

Summing up, the head of the delegation said: “Over the coming 2-3 of the year, we have to fill in a guaranteed order quantity for the Irkutsk aircraft factory until the end of the“ State 2020 arms program. ”“ Companies such as Irkut should be taken seriously to could make plans until the end of the state program ", - said Yuri Borisov.
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  1. Constantine
    Constantine 5 August 2013 09: 08 New
    23
    This is good news! smile We are waiting for replenishment both among pilots and among the fleet soldier I wish the plant many years of life :) Pleased in general smile
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 5 August 2013 09: 43 New
      12
      Stop enough to ruin Russia! Stop building new planes!
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 5 August 2013 09: 58 New
        37
        Quote: klimpopov
        Stop enough to ruin Russia! Stop building new planes!


        In 1942, the Saratov Aviation Plant was practically destroyed after one of the bombings. It was even about stopping production. But the front was approaching Stalingrad, and Yakovlev's fighters were desperately needed. Therefore, the plant was restored as soon as possible. Now there is no war and no Hitler, but all production at this plant is completely destroyed. In 2009-2010, more than half of the plant’s territory was sold, together with buildings and equipment. As of 2011, the pit for the construction of the IKEA store is located on this territory (a sign of the “revival” of Russia: retail outlets and offices instead of factories!). Cases, the central entrance of the plant, warehouses were demolished, unique equipment was sold or scrapped. The remaining half of the plant is empty and cut off from communications. Equipment is sold or scrapped. The fuselages of unfinished aircraft are cut and scrapped as well. From the once 30-thousandth collective, about 200 people remained.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 5 August 2013 10: 05 New
          +8
          I agree! Sad This can be observed in many factories ... The economic war, in my opinion, although less noticeable, but more effective ... What we observe ...
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 5 August 2013 10: 34 New
            23
            The only trouble is that only one side is participating in this war - Russia. With myself.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 5 August 2013 10: 35 New
              +4
              In this war, everything is against everyone .. Something like this
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 5 August 2013 12: 26 New
                +8
                Quote: klimpopov
                In this war, everything is against everyone .. Something like this

                You are mistaken!
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 5 August 2013 13: 14 New
                  +3
                  You are mistaken!

                  Parry! If so!
                  But in this war it ultimately turns out that even individual citizens are against each other. The economic well-being of some directly leads to the ruin of others ... The individuality and “chosenness” of an individual is paramount. Remember the main thesis instilled in 20 years of youth.
                  Just get me right.
              2. bulvas
                bulvas 5 August 2013 15: 03 New
                +3
                Quote: klimpopov
                In this war, everything is against everyone .. Something like this


                more precisely, each for himself
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 5 August 2013 16: 19 New
                  0
                  Well, this is someone who sees it.
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 5 August 2013 10: 17 New
          24
          It is possible to wail indefinitely, but it is impossible to save the entire Great Heritage. The plant was actually destroyed in the 90's. Moreover, the equipment allowed to produce only those types of aircraft that were discontinued. Yak-42D - no one needs it, that's all. Plant bankrupt by 2002 year.

          Here you say we have the money to support the 3 factory of 9 operating. Which one do you support, a bankrupt without competitive products and prospects (they began to allocate money for re-equipment of production from the federal budget in the year that way, 2009, if we are talking about serious amounts) or a living plant, like NAPO or Irkut, which needs help to deploy mass-production of popular models ?
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 5 August 2013 10: 33 New
            14
            Quote: donavi49
            Let’s say that you have money to support 3 of the 9 operating plants. Which one do you support


            You ask Aeroflot that they have already decided who to support.

            There are 137 airliners on the balance of Aeroflot, for the most part aircraft of the A320, A330 and SSJ-100 families. In 2007, Aeroflot signed major contracts for the purchase of 22 Boeing B787 Dreamliner long-haul aircraft with deliveries starting in 2016 and 22 Airbus A350 airliners in 2018.

            Since the end of 2008, Aeroflot has been accepting new Airbus A330 long-haul airliners into its fleet. In 2011, contracts were signed with Boeing Corporation for 16 B777 aircraft, the main deliveries of which began in 2013.


            This allows the company to significantly expand its capabilities on long-distance routes, as well as introduce a qualitatively new level of service.

            Here is the wording. They also wanted to bleed the army.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 5 August 2013 10: 41 New
              12
              But, because the Yak-42 is not a competitor to Watermelon. And most importantly, the planned economy ended in 1991. It is necessary to get used to the fact that comrades buy exclusively what is beneficial, and not what the party orders them to.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 5 August 2013 10: 52 New
                14
                Quote: donavi49
                But, because the Yak-42D is not a competitor to Watermelon.


                Yes, but the thing is different, the main competitor of Watermelon - Tu-204 in Russia is present in quantity - 22 pieces. Foreign car companies tumble down our factories.
                1. cdrt
                  cdrt 5 August 2013 11: 52 New
                  +4
                  So, like the Tu-204, it’s worse at the cost of the passenger-kilometer of the Airbus and Boeing.

                  Actually, if you want Aeroflot to be competitive, it must have airplanes with a minimum cost of operation.

                  And state. support (in the case of a higher passenger-kilometer cost due to higher fuel consumption) can do little, especially given the limitations of WTO membership.
                  If only you fly in the “minus” and every year issue a new block of shares that the state will buy (this way Aeroflot will support).
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 5 August 2013 22: 50 New
                    +1
                    This is not only about the cost of the passenger-kilometer, the total cost is the sum of the time the aircraft lay outside the home port, number of passengers, weight of the aircraft, cost of parking, etc.
                  2. dustycat
                    dustycat 6 August 2013 20: 20 New
                    0
                    Quote: cdrt
                    So, like the Tu-204, it’s worse at the cost of the passenger-kilometer of the Airbus and Boeing.

                    Did Aeroflot “effective managers” tell you this?
                    The tale of the more gluttonous Tu154 against the A320 was also heard.
                    Only the Tu154 flew two hours faster.
                    However, at cruising speed the A320 Tu154 burns no more kerosene.
                2. arnulla
                  arnulla 5 August 2013 22: 44 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  Quote: donavi49
                  But, because the Yak-42D is not a competitor to Watermelon.


                  Yes, but the thing is different, the main competitor of Watermelon - Tu-204 in Russia is present in quantity - 22 pieces. Foreign car companies tumble down our factories.

                  We must finally admit to ourselves that Soviet civilian aircraft were less competitive in terms of fuel efficiency, repair costs, service, passenger comfort, and so on. As long as there was a Union, such “little things” didn’t really bother anyone — fuel flowed like water (enough army experience) , it cost a penny by today's standards, and the absence of a beautiful upholstery and uncomfortable seats was more than compensated by the queues at the ticket offices. And when it was necessary to fix all this, the "effective managers" took up the tearing up of everything created before them, and not them. Simply put, profited the moment. And it’s always harder to catch up ... But without state support the aviation industry can no longer be raised, it’s a very financially intensive industry. And you can’t even talk about the interaction and coordination of allies ...
                  1. dustycat
                    dustycat 6 August 2013 20: 24 New
                    +1
                    Quote: arnulla
                    Finally, we must already admit to ourselves that Soviet civilian aircraft were less competitive in terms of fuel efficiency, repair costs, service, passenger comfort, and more.

                    What are you !!!
                    And the men do not know at the airports!
                    Imported spare parts are certainly cheaper since they are produced in countries with higher wages.
                    If it weren’t for the state support of Airbas and Boeing (up to 30% of the cost of the aircraft and maintenance) - would our effective managers buy them?
                    What is the gluttony of the Tu154 against Airbus at airspeed speed?
            2. Regis
              Regis 5 August 2013 10: 43 New
              -10
              I would not blame Aeroflot for the purchase of modern passenger aircraft abroad.
              Simply, it will be difficult to explain to the relatives of those killed in the crash that the support of the domestic manufacturer is above all.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 5 August 2013 10: 57 New
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                Quote: Regis
                Simply, it will be difficult to explain to the relatives of those killed in the crash that the support of the domestic manufacturer is above all.


                Our cars are fighting due to the fact that they are mercilessly operated without maintenance, in terms of reliability they are steeper than foreign cars at times.

                Tu-204 never fell, unlike Watermelon, on whose account there are hundreds of corpses,
                1. Baron Wrangell
                  Baron Wrangell 5 August 2013 12: 02 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  Tu-204 never fell, unlike Watermelon, on whose account there are hundreds of corpses,


                  Do not distort VADIVAK cards, December 2012. Vnukovo Airport!
                  1. Vadivak
                    Vadivak 5 August 2013 14: 44 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Baron Wrangell
                    Do not distort VADIVAK cards, December 2012. Vnukovo Airport!


                    Baron spell what I wrote --- DID NOT FALL

                    Red Wings Airlines Tu-204 when landing It skidded off the runway. The plane fell into three parts and caught fire.

                    More closely ...
                2. black_eagle
                  black_eagle 5 August 2013 12: 41 New
                  +1
                  Airbus A320 5600 aircraft built, 10 fatal crashes for the entire period of operation since 1987 starting
                  Tu-204 73 built, one accident since 1996 with a fatal outcome, while statistics are not in our direction
                3. 11 black
                  11 black 5 August 2013 14: 22 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Vadivak

                  Our cars are fighting due to the fact that they are mercilessly operated without maintenance, in terms of reliability they are steeper than foreign cars at times.

                  Tu-204 never fell, unlike Watermelon, on whose account there are hundreds of corpses,

                  well, so 204 was developed only in 90, and had not really managed to fly yet, only 73 of the aircraft were made from which 1 already crashed in Vnukovo at 2012 - there were THOUSAND watermelons riveted, and only a few of them fell because of the human factor, reliability is one of the best airliners in the world - it is recognized by all, including Aeroflot, and by the way, our airlines use our machines and watermelons equally mercilessly, but for some reason ours fall ...
                  PS understand correctly - I am very bitter to write this, but the fact that an Airbus is at least no worse than 204 IS A FACT, but about the fact that
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  A watermelon that has hundreds of corpses

                  when 204 will produce as many watermelons (which in itself is unlikely), when they fly off as many hours, then, provided that 204 exceeds the watermelon in reliability, and you can write like that (I will be very glad if everything is since you wrote - but this is also unlikely) ... hi
                  1. 11 black
                    11 black 5 August 2013 14: 51 New
                    +1
                    and another request to comment on the minuses - after all, a minus without a comment on it is a powerless malice hi
                  2. Vadivak
                    Vadivak 5 August 2013 17: 12 New
                    +3
                    Quote: 11 black
                    that's when 204 will produce as much as watermelons


                    We have been waiting since 90, We just have to wait a bit ...
                  3. dustycat
                    dustycat 6 August 2013 20: 37 New
                    0
                    Quote: 11 black
                    including aeroflot, and by the way, our airlines of the same mercilessly exploit our machines and watermelons, but for some reason ours fall for some reason ...

                    Understand correctly ...
                    As soon as they begin to produce spare parts for us by airbus, they will begin to fall more often than ours.
                    The main cause of domestic aircraft crashes is counterfeit spare parts in the absence of a subsidy for spare parts - spare parts for the airbus are subsidized from the treasury and they are cheaper than spare parts for domestic ones.
                    The lack of subsidies makes factory parts too expensive for our "effective managers", so they buy updated junk. While factories for the production of spare parts could not make ends meet - there was no demand for spare parts with a huge number of repaired sides. Which then banged and burned.

                    The second part of the Marmaisonan ballet - a set of “pilots” from abroad - is not profitable for Russian flight schools to finance “effective managers”.
                    At the same time, it would be enough to force the airlines to redeem the graduates of our flying schools at auction.

                    If I was not afraid to fly to the USSR, now I definitely will not fly anywhere.
                    Better on the train along the dead paths - fall below. Although the probability of accidents on the railway is much higher.
                4. Regis
                  Regis 5 August 2013 18: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  Our cars are fighting due to the fact that they are mercilessly operated without maintenance, in terms of reliability they are steeper than foreign cars at times.


                  You did not quite understand me, below I answered the person that you wanted to say.

                  Quote: Vadivak
                  Tu-204 never fell, unlike Watermelon, on whose account there are hundreds of corpses,


                  But for such an example you should be ashamed. You yourself understand how many Airbases were built, and How many Tu-204. And with the Carcasses, too, everything happened.
              2. Suhov
                Suhov 5 August 2013 13: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Regis
                Just, it will be difficult to explain to the relatives of the victims in a plane crash of people

                This is too much!
                With security, everything is on par.
                But the cost of operation ... but this is another matter.
                1. Regis
                  Regis 5 August 2013 18: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Sukhov
                  This is too much!
                  With security, everything is on par.
                  But the cost of operation ... but this is another matter.

                  You do not understand me.
                  Our aviation industry, devastated in the 90s, simply physically could not satisfy the need of our air carriers for modern aircraft. That is, it would take a long time to wait for new aircraft and operate old ones, and this is an increased risk of emergency situations.
                  And at the enterprise for which the country "laid ***" for a decade, one simply cannot come with a bag of money and say: "build me airplanes!" They will start building, but what will be their quality?
                  You can destroy everything quickly, but it is already more difficult to revive.
                  1. Suhov
                    Suhov 5 August 2013 18: 56 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Regis
                    You can destroy everything quickly, but it is already more difficult to revive.

                    That's right!
                    hi
            3. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 5 August 2013 11: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadivak
              You ask Aeroflot that they have already decided who to support.

              And what is the production of competitive aircraft like the ones you described in Russia? MS-21 seems to be still no one produces.
            4. aksakal
              aksakal 5 August 2013 11: 22 New
              11
              Quote: Vadivak
              This allows the company to significantly expand its capabilities on long-distance routes, as well as introduce a qualitatively new level of service. This is the wording. They also wanted to bleed the army.

              - You can turn on emotions and start to saliva on Aeroflot. But if you think soberly ... Aeroflot needs stupidly aircraft, moreover, it is cost-effective, and here it is NOW - as a frequent passenger, I will tell you a secret that I will not wait until Aeroflot waits for the latest Russian economically EFFICIENT aircraft. I need to fly now, and preferably at human prices. And among the Russians, out of the ready-made solutions - only SuperJet, which often fails - they still can’t bring the air conditioning system to mind. Again, in secret - a downtime due to a buggy sensor in this air conditioning system amounts to millions. MS-21 and Frigate Ecojet will be ready, the devil knows when, and they will also have “childhood sores” for about five years. And what to do Aeroflot? TU-154 for the most part worked out their resources, they did not develop a new highly economical engine for them - somehow no one was puzzled by this, and only Embraer and some model from Airbus to replace the finished ones (of the same class). According to Air Astana pilots, I have friends there - alas, these are very good and truly cost-effective aircraft. And what about Aeroflot? Well, supporting domestic aircraft industry is not his function, he is just an air carrier. This is a function of the state.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 5 August 2013 14: 50 New
                +9
                Quote: aksakal
                as a frequent passenger, I’ll tell you a secret, I won’t wait until Aeroflot waits for the latest Russian economically EFFICIENT aircraft. I need to fly now, and preferably at human prices


                That's right for you once, they don’t need and nobody needs. And about money, ask how much a ticket on French airlines costs for the same types of aircraft (and not used ones with decent wear), many times lower, but pilots and service staff are many times more than ours, we just stopped Aeroflot from the time of Berezovsky to be a public office increasing the mark-up on tickets stupidly from the ceiling 4 times.
                1. Suhov
                  Suhov 5 August 2013 19: 05 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  it’s just that Aeroflot has ceased to be a national office since Berezovsky’s time, increasing the mark-up on tickets stupidly from the ceiling 4 times

                  Eat a lot, ccyku ...
            5. Wedmak
              Wedmak 5 August 2013 11: 56 New
              +1
              Yes, but really, we don’t have a production of long-range airliners now. One single IL-96-300 did not go into the series, in my opinion they did a couple.
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 5 August 2013 12: 09 New
                +2
                10 are operated by commercial companies, of which Aeroflot has 6.

                Here are the operating costs and efficiency - http://www.ato.ru/content/sravnenie-ekspluatacionnoy-ekonomiki-il-96-300-i-boein
                g-767-300-na-opyte-aeroflota
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 5 August 2013 13: 19 New
                  0
                  And, thanks, enlightened. Nevertheless, we need to invent something new.
            6. nycsson
              nycsson 5 August 2013 12: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadivak
              This allows the company to significantly expand its capabilities on long-distance routes, as well as introduce a qualitatively new level of service.

              All around are enemies!
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 5 August 2013 13: 24 New
                +2
                It is not sad, but it is.
            7. igor67
              igor67 5 August 2013 16: 50 New
              +3
              Petrovich:


              MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT
              RUSSIAN FEDERATION VT Ministry of Transport of Russia
              (MINTRANS OF RUSSIA)
              Executives
              STATE SERVICE organizations
              Civil Aviation Civil Aviation, controlled by the State Civil Aviation Administration
              Ministry of Transport of Russia
              11.07.02/24.6.30/375 No. XNUMX-XNUMX GA
              Na _________________

              The European Parliament and the Council by its Directive 2002/30 / EU from
              26.03.20002/XNUMX/XNUMX made adjustments to the EU policy regarding the application of
              operational restrictions on air noise at Community airports.
              This Directive repeals the validity of EU Regulation N 925/1999,
              providing for a ban on operation at EU airports
              civilian subsonic jet aircraft repeatedly
              Certified for compliance with the standards of Chapter 3 of Appendix 16
              (part 1), from 01.04.2002 year, under whose action fell
              Tu-154 and IL-62M aircraft.
              However, Directive 2002/30 / EC establishes a new
              category of aircraft to which
              operational restrictions on air noise, referred to as low
              compliance stock. "Subsonic
              jet aircraft meeting the requirements of Chapter 3, with a margin of
              compliance with Chapter 3 standards for the sum of the noise levels in three
              control points no more than 5ERNdb. Under this category of aircraft again
              re-certified Tu-154M and IL-62M planes fall, and
              also for the first time, a number of aircraft of Chapter 3 fall, including the IL-96-300
              (MVM 240t.), IL-96T, AN-124-100, AN-72/74, Yak-42D.
              According to the Sun Directive "with a small margin of compliance" is not
              allowed at "intracity" airports, which include:
              Berlin (Tempelgof), Stockholm (Broma), London City, Belfast City.
              Moreover, the compliance margin for these airports may
              be reviewed until the complete prohibition of the flights of Chapter 3 aircraft
              in general, and admission to flights exclusively of the aircraft of the Chapter
              4. The Directive also provides for the right of the EU to expand this
              list of "intracity" airports.
              The ability to carry out flights "with a small margin of
              compliance "to other major EU airports (the number of operations is not
              less than 50000 per year) is determined by the results of each
              airport specific "environmental impact assessment". In case of negative
              the results of the examination at the airport operational
              restrictions on air noise and 6 months after their introduction are not
              allowed flights "with a small margin of compliance" in excess
              volumes achieved over the same period of the past year. Moreover, from
              the operator may require a reduction in the number of flights of such
              Sun up to 20 percent per year. Member States introduce
              the provisions of the Directive shall be effective no later than September 28.09.2003, XNUMX.
              Belgium passed Royal Decree on the prohibition of operations
              subsonic jet civil aircraft with landing gear and
              flaps at night between 23.00 and 6.00 local
              time. Exemption from the ban applies to the aircraft of the Chapter
              3. For re-certified Chapter 3 aircraft with engines
              bypass less than 3,0, this exemption does not apply.
              Tu-154M and Il-62M planes fall under this prohibition. Decree
              enters into force on the territory of Belgium from 1.06.2003.
              I ask you to bring this information to the attention of all
              airline companies.



              Deputy
              Head V.I. Samokhin
              DPLG GVS and TR GA
            8. VAF
              VAF 5 August 2013 18: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Vadivak
              You ask Aeroflot that they have already decided who to support.


              Oh, Vadim, it’s not there that you need to ask, but ABOVE wassat (where .. DETERMINE bully what and to whom from whom lol

          2. Nick
            Nick 5 August 2013 18: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: donavi49
            Here you say we have the money to support the 3 factory of 9 operating. Which one do you support, a bankrupt without competitive products and prospects (they began to allocate money for re-equipment of production from the federal budget in the year that way, 2009, if we are talking about serious amounts) or a living plant, like NAPO or Irkut, which needs help to deploy mass-production of popular models ?

            To argue like that, you need to have an idea of ​​how the economy works, dear, but there are a lot of populists gaining points by cheap criticism of everything and everything, as well as yelling like "Lelik! Everything is lost ...!"
            Thanks for the sober comment.
          3. VAF
            VAF 5 August 2013 18: 34 New
            +7
            Quote: donavi49
            Moreover, the equipment allowed to produce only those types of aircraft that were discontinued. Yak-42D - no one needs, that's all.


            How is that all? belay And the Tu-95MS ??? And the wings to the Tu-204 and Tu-214 ????

            But nothing, that at the factory it was possible to collect any types of aircraft both civilian and military purposes ???

            And 30 of thousands of highly qualified employees ??????
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 5 August 2013 19: 37 New
              +4
              How is that all?


              So, I answered Yaroslavna’s crying about:
              In 1942 year Saratov aviation factory

              This is the estate of Yak, who, with rare exceptions, produced exclusively brand cars According to. At the time of the collapse of the USSR, these were the Yak-42D, Yak-42F and the developing Yak-54. Separately, they built a special site for the experimental vehicles "EKIP" gathering dust there. In the future, they planned to establish the Yak-141 through the MO line.

              After 30-92, I never saw my 93 factory of qualified employees. In 95, the contract for Gazprom was already dealt with with a creak, and the second on 6 aircraft were stretched out in long-term construction, a default struck and the money was not at the plant, not at the customer. Then there is agony. And yes it worked there at that time 1838 people.

              Tu-95MS ???


              They didn’t build in Saratov, they built in Samara. There, even now, if you really want to, the enclosures will be driven out with a bang, but there will be big problems with the filling because the modernization and repair is going on with a creak, precisely because of the lack of a bunch of names.

              And yes, Samara is busy and quite lives for itself. Aviakor is gradually selected from losses, has firm contracts and is increasing aircraft production. True milestone, in the form of the Tu-154M had to close, the last side RA-85042 bought MO (received in February 2013 year). More such aircraft will not do. Now there is a large combined order for An-140 (part of the MO ordered, part of the private trader). There are plans to expand the production and development of new aircraft models.

              Those who want more information about the plant can go to the MAX-2013, Aviakor will be presented there by a separate stand.

              Tu-204 and Tu-214?


              Similarly. Saratov from the last forces on the 1 aircraft issued a year, when the Tu-204 was only put into operation.

              But nothing, that at the factory it was possible to collect any types of aircraft both civilian and military purposes ???


              The trouble is that he could not. Equipment only for Yaki-38 and Yak-42. Even the light Yak-54 on the knee was collected. For there was already a collapse and there is no money, but the order is small and without special prospects. The only thing is the unique experience and equipment for assembling and testing VTOL.

              And 30 of thousands of highly qualified employees ??????


              1838 people.
              1. VAF
                VAF 5 August 2013 20: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: donavi49
                So, I answered Yaroslavna’s crying about:
                In 1942, the Saratov Aviation Plant


                Then the question is cleared hi I decided that you are talking about Samara drinks
                Only about crying, Yaroslavna..this is superfluous (on the rise ... ...

                Well then, they also "removed" the topic of the Tu-95MS, the hulls will be restored, but .. production and equipment ??????

                Well, about 30 people. I meant Samara.
                Oh, by the way, in some kind of comment, you were telling us about the revival of factories and mentioned Beriev’s factory ... wink , eh, you had to be invited to a recent meeting in the KLA ... you would know a lot and see how they have these unfortunate leaders and manufacturers, and visit the factory yourself and see ... the picture .. not far from oil, rainbow ! hi
                1. donavi49
                  donavi49 5 August 2013 20: 29 New
                  +4
                  picture .. not far from oil, rainbow!


                  Well, it’s clear that Beriev has a lot of problems. However, here you need to see what he does?
                  modernization of the A-50Y AWACS - the main jambs are the suppliers of the complex, not the plant.
                  Complex A-90 and A-100 - TANTK is foolish to blame.
                  Repair Tu-142 - 1 aircraft withstand a year, according to complaints you know better.
                  Repair and maintenance of the Tu-95MS - well, they owed one side, this year they gave it back, maybe they will catch up.
                  The Bu-200 series for the Ministry of Emergencies and the Be-200 for the Ministry of Defense - well, everything is going on hard and even at this stage, it is safe to say that the deadlines will be missed. The first Be-200 board in the photo must be transferred to the customer under the contract of 30 on June 2013 of the year. As we see him for another year, 1,5-2 is being built with life-giving n **** mi. But the development of a new aircraft is always difficult, and the TANTK did not build them.

                  However, in general, the plant is busy, slowly being modernized and people are gaining.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 5 August 2013 21: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: donavi49
                    However, in general, the plant is busy, slowly being modernized and people are gaining.


                    Okay, we’ll not be sad for everyone, but the fact that announcements are required are required .. that's for sure .. the turnover is big, from salaries it’s 12-15 thousand wink

                    And about A-90 and A-100, it is only a "theory" so far! bully Moreover, under 100-ku the plane was not allocated request
                    1. donavi49
                      donavi49 5 August 2013 21: 15 New
                      +1
                      with salaries then 12-15 thousand


                      This is a common misfortune. And the fashion trend for a young team when young people are inexperienced is taken for a year or two anyhow, as soon as the PR grows in labor and then leaves the factory for free bread.

                      And about A-90 and A-100, it is only a "theory" so far!


                      Yes, but the topic is assigned to Beriev and they also ask him wink .

                      Moreover, under 100-ku the plane was not allocated


                      It will not be soon, 2015 year optimistic board under the A-100. Now there is nothing to highlight, by the way.
                      1. VAF
                        VAF 5 August 2013 21: 49 New
                        0
                        Quote: donavi49
                        Now there is nothing to highlight, by the way.


                        How nothing? belay Do you want to say the flight number of the An-124th, which should have been given under the A-100 bully
                  2. Rakti-kali
                    Rakti-kali 5 August 2013 23: 24 New
                    +3
                    Quote: donavi49
                    However, in general, the plant is busy, slowly being modernized and people are gaining.

                    One problem is that people do not actively want to go there to work for their ridiculous salaries. negative
                    Actually, as in the 325th ARZ.
          4. dustycat
            dustycat 6 August 2013 20: 16 New
            0
            Quote: donavi49
            Moreover, the equipment allowed to produce only those types of aircraft that were discontinued. Yak-42D - no one needs, that's all. Bankrupt factory by 2002.

            And now we are financing the short-range aircraft program.
            Isn't it strange?
            And what does the rig have to do with it?
            It is universal.
            You might think Bombardier on a newer rivet.
        3. Mairos
          Mairos 5 August 2013 10: 39 New
          +6
          My friend, this is a sad example, but ... why, every time someone publishes positive news, the choir of voices starts to lament that all the same, "everything is gone and the cast is removed .." - well, it’s enough to fill everyone with negative !! otherwise the people’s spirit will generally fall below the baseboard. These are the basics of information warfare.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 5 August 2013 10: 43 New
            11
            Quote: Mairos
            but .. why, every time someone publishes positive news, then the choir of voices starts to lament that anyway "everything is gone and the cast is removed .."


            Yes, no one does not mind that the Irkutsk plant is inundated with orders. It’s just that the citizens of that great country have something to compare current achievements with.
        4. nycsson
          nycsson 5 August 2013 12: 25 New
          +4
          Quote: Vadivak
          From the once 30-thousandth collective, about 200 people remained.

          And so where do not look.
          Quote: klimpopov
          The economic war, in my opinion, although less noticeable, but more effective ... What we observe ...

          Interestingly, and who is waging this war against us? laughing
        5. Russ69
          Russ69 5 August 2013 13: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: Vadivak
          In 2009-2010, more than half of the territory was sold

          They are these workshops, how many years did not work? There was an article about this plant not so long ago, how and who destroyed it back in the early 90s.
          Although the plant is a pity, but do not put everything in one heap.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 5 August 2013 14: 54 New
            +6
            Quote: Russ69
            They are these workshops, how many years did not work? P


            What difference does it make, then what was the other power?
        6. 11 black
          11 black 5 August 2013 14: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          Stop enough to ruin Russia! Stop building new planes!


          In 1942, the Saratov Aviation Plant was practically destroyed after one of the bombings. It was even about stopping production. But the front was approaching Stalingrad, and Yakovlev's fighters were desperately needed. Therefore, the plant was restored as soon as possible. Now there is no war and no Hitler, but all production at this plant is completely destroyed. In 2009-2010, more than half of the plant’s territory was sold, together with buildings and equipment. As of 2011, the pit for the construction of the IKEA store is located on this territory (a sign of the “revival” of Russia: retail outlets and offices instead of factories!). Cases, the central entrance of the plant, warehouses were demolished, unique equipment was sold or scrapped. The remaining half of the plant is empty and cut off from communications. Equipment is sold or scrapped. The fuselages of unfinished aircraft are cut and scrapped as well. From the once 30-thousandth collective, about 200 people remained.


          say thanks to “Yeltsin and Co.”, who called Washington when making “especially important” decisions ... and the fact that finally it resumes production of military aircraft in our country on a scale for which it’s not a shame (60 su + 55 yak 130 for 3 of the year is at least not bad) this is certainly great news for which it is worth rejoicing, and not to blame the government - they nevertheless ensured these deliveries this is a FACT, and the FACT of a gradual but already noticeable revival of the Russian defense industry is evident !!!
          The fact that you wrote it is of course very sad, but it was inevitable after the reign of Yeltsin \ Gorbachev and their "team", and the fact that even after these times we managed to maintain the main plants and re-establish serial production is certainly +, so at least once respected ardent admirers of the USSR admit that not everything is so bad and gloomy !!! that news is beautiful, and you ... good - bad, but bad - even worse. good
        7. Manager
          Manager 5 August 2013 15: 44 New
          +7
          I will add that if in the military sphere Putin at least sometimes does something, then on a citizen oh and oh. You all know my attitude that I had before. Patriotism, etc. He stayed now. But no way he is connected with the name of the president.
        8. Nick
          Nick 5 August 2013 18: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Vadivak
          In 1942, after one of the bombings, the Saratov Aviation Plant was practically destroyed. It was even about stopping production. But the front was approaching Stalingrad, and Yakovlev's fighters were desperately needed. Therefore, the plant was restored as soon as possible. Now there is no war and no Hitler, but all production at this plant is completely destroyed

          The fact of the matter is that there is no war now, the current needs of the Air Force are being met by other plants. What do you suggest? Guns instead of oil ...?
          Thus, without any war, we will drive ourselves into economic, and as a result, political dead ends. No hitlers needed ...
        9. VAF
          VAF 5 August 2013 18: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Vadivak
          The fuselages of unfinished aircraft are cut and scrapped as well.


          One photo to confirm your words, Vadim! The rest I won’t ... actually .. sadness crying

      2. Krilion
        Krilion 5 August 2013 10: 13 New
        17
        The whole horror is that, on the one hand, Putin seems to be doing fine and doing some things right, and on the other, total corruption and robberies of Russians ... the collapse of industry, the army and the navy also occurred during his reign ... and although now that something is being done positively — much more damage is inflicted anyway .. How to treat Putin in this situation is everyone’s personal choice .. I personally have no great sympathy for this person ...
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 5 August 2013 10: 17 New
          16
          Just against the background of what happened before him, now of course it looks profitable, because really "something is being done." But this does not last forever and a qualitative transition is needed, and now I see it exclusively through the tearing of one place of the people, as it was already a little more than half a century ago ... Although, by the idea, the dough is inundated and everything is bought in the capitalist world ... A really dual situation. Stalin didn’t have money for industrialization, he had to find it inside the country - and after all they found it, although sadly and not everyone was happy with this research. Putin has in bulk (seemingly) money for industrialization, but nobody has a pace to find any comparison, he doesn’t need to wreck the people once again, hang out well-known personalities on birch trees ... Yes, apparently it’s not so simple, these personalities take for one place and who will give their capital overseas? At least take the red one, and the figure is not simple. But this I did not climb into those jungle.
          Summarizing. Really agree. The dual situation. On the one hand, Putin supports the idea that “something is being done,” on the other, everything that you wrote about is happening. Balancing? But after all, at one moment a breeze blows and you can fall into the abyss ...
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 5 August 2013 12: 51 New
            -4
            Stalin did not start work in a semi-occupied country, and the money that appeared only by 2003-2004 would not immediately restore everything.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 5 August 2013 13: 28 New
              +7
              In much worse conditions, Stalin began work. Almost in an occupied country, in the presence of foreign interventionists and American trusts and the like gangs, well, remember ...
              and the money that appeared only to 2003-2004 will not immediately restore everything.

              Spelled out. I think the opposite. if you spend money effectively, then ... put an ellipsis.
        2. Praetorian
          Praetorian 5 August 2013 10: 19 New
          +8
          +1? , there are no big sympathies, because it’s still not clear whether the country is being ruined in a grammatical way or restored in a grammatical way, of which I am a little less confident.
          About the factory. Very sorry. I can not imagine a similar situation in the United States.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 5 August 2013 10: 25 New
            +7
            Easy. Though not similar but similar. Take the same Detroit.
        3. DmitriRazumov
          DmitriRazumov 5 August 2013 10: 43 New
          10
          Quote: Krilion
          The whole horror is that, on the one hand, Putin seems to be doing fine and does some things correctly, and on the other hand, total corruption and robberies of Russians.

          No wonder. GDP strives to stay in power, balancing between the "new" aristocracy and the need to strengthen state potential. Almost all leaders (tsars) did this in the history of Russia. More or less successful or not. Many of them were killed during streltsy riots, guards coups, etc. The interests of the aristocracy often go as opposed to the interests of the head, the people. The art of the supreme leader is to prevent himself from overthrowing and at the same time crushing the aristocracy. Ivan the Terrible almost crushed the specific boyar aristocracy with the help of cruel methods of the oprichnina, but at the same time blew the people. The first Romanovs balanced as they could. Peter 3 was not helped even by the Decree on noble liberties. Pavel fought hard against the privileges of the nobility and the highest aristocracy, trying to ensure the priority of the supreme power, for which he was killed. Alexander was fishing. Nicholas 1 quite smartly and for a long time knocked out the soil from under the local nobility, gradually preparing peasant reform and putting the feudal lords in unfavorable economic conditions. So everything is not very simple. Power is never in the same hands ...
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 5 August 2013 12: 52 New
            -1
            How could the oprichnina bleed the people? Over the entire period of his reign, 3000 people were executed there.
        4. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 5 August 2013 11: 13 New
          +4
          Quote: Krilion
          ..personally I have no big sympathies for this person ...

          A similar case is on my collective farm, but here is what to choose from? Or Putin, or even then immediately again the revolution or death under the p-i-n-d-o-stanny proteges.
        5. Suhov
          Suhov 5 August 2013 13: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Krilion
          the collapse of industry, the army and the navy also occurred during his reign ...

          Order:
          Train, stop !!! One, two!
          Run unrealistic.
          The law of inertia has not been canceled.
          yes
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      4. gud123
        gud123 5 August 2013 23: 42 New
        0
        Stop building new planes!???????

        Maybe this is a typo or a reservation ???? request
    2. Siberian German
      Siberian German 5 August 2013 14: 37 New
      +2
      I agree to all 100000000 percent, but with one but that everything goes to the highest level and not like with protons or Ukrainian armored personnel carriers for Iraq
  2. Edward72
    Edward72 5 August 2013 09: 10 New
    +7
    It’s good that the plant was loaded to the eyeballs. The working potential will be preserved and it will be the one and by whom to transfer the experience.
  3. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 5 August 2013 09: 14 New
    +4
    In total, in the coming 3 years, the Russian Ministry of Defense will receive 60 Su-30СМ and 55 combat training Yak-130.
    This is something)))
    1. AVV
      AVV 5 August 2013 10: 18 New
      +4
      If the defense orders of Irkut are funded, then earlier MC 21 will go into the series !!! Success factory workers !!!
  4. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 5 August 2013 09: 16 New
    +6
    Great news, the loading of plants, including our No. 21, producing the Yak-130, will increase. Moreover, the question of replacing the Czechoslovak L-39 has long been overdue, and the Yak-130 is a modern combat training aircraft, allowing pilots to quickly switch to modern types of vehicles, the same Su-30. Yours faithfully! hi
    1. Alejandro
      Alejandro 5 August 2013 17: 01 New
      0
      The news, of course, is excellent, but one question remains - Why is the SU-30 and not the Su 35? As I understand it, the industry is not ready to quickly launch production of the SU-35, Su-35UB and these orders of the Su-30, Su-27SM are a necessary measure. And again it will be cheaper. And at the expense of the Yak-130 is really a joy without any questions fellow.
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 August 2013 17: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Alejandro
        Why SU-30 and not Su 35?
        Better a tit (Su30) in hand than a crane (Su35) in the sky, or rather, before putting on a stream of Su35, supply Su30, in exchange for the "old-tested" Su27 ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 August 2013 17: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          Better a tit (Su30) in hand than a crane (Su35) in the sky, or rather, before putting on a stream of Su35, supply Su30, in exchange for the "old-tested" Su27 ...

          What are you about??? Su 30 produces Irkut, and Su 35 Knapo. How many factories can really supply, so much is supplied. And soo 35 is not such a crane anymore
          1. Nick
            Nick 5 August 2013 18: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And soo 35 is not such a crane anymore

            And not a titmouse!
        2. Alejandro
          Alejandro 5 August 2013 17: 50 New
          +4
          svp67
          So I am about the same. Unfortunately, for now, the SU-35 is for us a crane in the sky. I am simply against the diversity of the same type of equipment in our troops and navy. It is also easier to operate and cheaper to maintain. As I understand it, the situation is like a naval one. Project 11356 frigates, which were tested and adjusted to production, are ordered there, since potentially more advanced Project 22350 turned into a long-term construction.
          1. VAF
            VAF 5 August 2013 19: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: Alejandro
            I am simply against the diversity of the same type of equipment in our troops and navy. It is also easier to operate and cheaper to maintain.


            I’ll try to explain in a simpler way about your expression of “motley”!
            The Su-30SM and Su-35S planes are completely different machines for fulfilling their intended purposes.
            This is the first and second ... quite "problematic" for electronic engineers to "sculpt" a locator that simultaneously works well both on the ground and in the air!
            1. Alejandro
              Alejandro 5 August 2013 21: 03 New
              +3
              Thanks for the answer. But then the question arises - Shouldn't the Su-34 work on the ground?
              1. VAF
                VAF 5 August 2013 21: 08 New
                +1
                Quote: Alejandro
                Shouldn't the Su-34 work on the ground?


                Yes, of course, but this is a front-line bomber, not a fighter-bomber or, as amers put it, tactical aircraft.

                By the way, the whole idea about renaming IA and FBA to TA is already hovering in our Headquarters, but they just can’t decide where to attack bully
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 5 August 2013 21: 18 New
                +3
                And you try to imagine everything in a complex.
                Airborne operation. At its different stages, the ratio between aircraft working on the ground and working on enemy aircraft in the air will naturally be different. And excessive enthusiasm for narrowly specialized machines will lead to inefficiency and cost overruns. Plus a question with pilots. Plus the question is where to keep these planes when they are not needed. Take far to the rear? And where is the guarantee that due to changes in the situation they will not be needed after 10 minutes?
                So we need "universals", even at the cost of some loss of combat effectiveness.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 5 August 2013 21: 33 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  And you try to imagine everything in a complex.
                  Well, now they’re already operating more - with a space-ground operation, well, we won’t find fault with the terms, especially since there are no devices working for a tactical commander from space ... But in the question “universal” - “specialist” you still need to have some balance . The "specialist" also has no disputable, or rather difficult to argue, advantages — relative cheapness, which allows them to be released in larger numbers, the narrow specialization of the aircraft implies the same specialization of the pilot, and again it’s easier and faster to prepare the pilot ...
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 5 August 2013 21: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    The "specialist" also has no disputable, or rather hard to argue, advantages — relative cheapness, which allows them to be released in large numbers

                    I would not say that. Especially in aviation. Rather, it turns out the opposite.

                    Quote: svp67
                    the narrow specialization of the aircraft implies the same specialization of the pilot, again it is easier and faster to prepare the pilot ...

                    And here, too, you are wrong.

                    The fact is that specialized aircraft are designed to perform those tasks that are difficult for "generalists", or even completely inaccessible.
                2. Alejandro
                  Alejandro 5 August 2013 22: 53 New
                  0
                  No doubt about it. If the plane works perfectly both in air and in land, the choice in its favor is obvious. However
                  Quote: vaf
                  it’s quite “problematic” for electronic engineers to “sculpt” a locator that simultaneously works well both on the ground and in the air!

                  For some reason, I think that one Su-34 with a Su-35S pair will work better both in air and on the ground than three Su-30s.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 5 August 2013 23: 21 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alejandro
                    For some reason, I think that one Su-34 with a pair of Su-35S

                    I do not think that such “unions” are possible in principle. Combat coordination plays a huge role. It is impossible to assemble several crews into some kind of consolidated unit and expect outstanding success from them.
                    In your version, three Su-30SM are likely to show themselves better. Not everything is decided by the capabilities of technology.
                    1. Alejandro
                      Alejandro 6 August 2013 02: 47 New
                      0
                      Lopatov
                      It seems that I have not correctly expressed my thought. This was not a combined squadron of different types of aircraft, but the Su-34 under the cover of the Su-35S. The number cited as an example, they may be a pair of 34 with a triple 35 or another ratio. The meaning of what is written is that with the same number of aircraft, you can achieve better results using more specialized machines. You will not deny that the Su-35 is better than the Su-30 to cope with the air enemy and the Su-34 will work much better and better on the ground? Despite the fact that if the Su-30 is sent to work on the ground, all the same, a significant part of the ammunition will have to be equipped to repel a likely air attack.
        3. VAF
          VAF 5 August 2013 19: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          or rather, before putting on the Su35 stream, supply Su30, in exchange for the "old-tested" Su27 ...


          Everything is correct, only with the exact opposite. wink

          It is the Su-35S to replace the su-27 P / PD / S, and the Su-30SM has its own niche, which has been completely "lost", though even before the stool, but also with the participation of ... VGK (current) soldier
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 5 August 2013 19: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            It is the Su-35S to replace the su-27 P / PD / S, and the Su-30SM has its own niche, which has been completely "lost"


            Greetings. If possible, in more detail, for general development. Just do not need about the technique itself, I still do not really understand this. About destination.
            One multi-purpose, second conquest of dominance?
            1. VAF
              VAF 5 August 2013 20: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              About destination.
              One multi-purpose, second conquest of dominance?


              Well, you yourself know everything and answer, so the extra “tech.comments” are unnecessary! drinks
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 5 August 2013 20: 15 New
                +1
                I made this conclusion from your phrase about radar. I thought, what else is there.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 5 August 2013 21: 12 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  I thought, what else is there.


                  The Su-30SM finally “piled” the container, so there will be no problems on the ground at all, like the Mig-35S.
                  And so far everything is going according to plan!
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 5 August 2013 21: 26 New
                    +1
                    The container is generally fine. There is an opportunity not to particularly limit the ability to work on an air opponent. After all, for this, the container can no longer be made
            2. Odysseus
              Odysseus 6 August 2013 00: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              About destination.
              One multi-purpose, second conquest of dominance?

              Su-30SM is primarily a drummer. And combat training. By air, like a second-line airplane. Or, in the case of the enemy, a la Georgia. The reason is a large EPR, the air locator is worse than the Su-35.
              Su-35-by air.
              1. eagle11
                eagle11 6 August 2013 01: 06 New
                +1
                In general, everything is transparent with the “thirty ms”:
                The super-maneuverable multi-purpose twin fighter Su-30SM is designed for:
                - mastering the skills of piloting, navigation and the basic principles of the use of multichannel weapons;
                - mastering the modes of super-maneuverability;
                - destruction of air targets in free space and on the background of the earth, day and night, in simple and difficult weather conditions, when active and passive interference is applied;
                - gaining superiority in the air;
                - long-range patrol and escort;
                - destruction of ground and surface targets in a complex jamming environment in the absence of support for ground-based control and guidance systems in group and solo air battles.
  5. Atenon
    Atenon 5 August 2013 09: 17 New
    +3
    Great news on Monday, I hope the pace will increase!
    1. Argon
      Argon 5 August 2013 11: 34 New
      +1
      Somewhat alarming is the fact that the quality of manufacturing is not mentioned, that would not have happened so that they wanted the best, it turned out as usual. The fact is that increasing production requires increasing jobs (which in general is a big plus) but those who came " workers "will not be highly qualified, even if they receive the highest education, because having knowledge, they do not have skills. Of course, there are factory programs for training / transferring experience in the team, but the reality is that the level of the general culture of production (labor, and most importantly technological discipline) decreased slightly (compared with the beginning of the 90s) for the sake of “profitability.” Given this, it should be recognized that there is a need to have a structure that carries out not only verification of the quality of the sample but also ALL STAGES OF ITS CREATION on the part of the customer — I'm talking about Military Acceptance. It is no secret that during Serdyukov the very need for military acceptance was in question, the staff was reduced. Moreover, the most experienced (over 40 years) engineers were reduced. In this situation (and I didn’t even mention the difficulties of mastering new equipment in the troops) it can very well turn out that the growth rate of production will only lead to an increase in the percentage of accidents and not to an increase in defense capability.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 5 August 2013 11: 48 New
        +4
        40 + aircraft has been producing fruit a year for a long time - this is a normal pace for him. It’s just that before they went to India, Algeria and other countries, and now to the Russian Air Force.
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 5 August 2013 09: 19 New
    +3
    The plans of aircraft manufacturers for this year are to increase the supply of state defense orders by almost 2 times compared to 2012. In total, in the next 3 years, the RF Ministry of Defense will receive 60 Su-30SM

    It's time, guys, it's time! My heart feels that they can be useful to us .......... oh how they can!
    Mattresses will not calmly go away - they need a kick
  7. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 5 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +3
    More good and new troops! Let the new pilots learn to fly, otherwise the enemy will not doze off !!!
  8. makst83
    makst83 5 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +8
    photo pleased, in the cockpit of the SU - 30 is an employee of the plant and spread his arms, like flew))
    1. Rus_87
      Rus_87 5 August 2013 09: 42 New
      +9
      No, he probably shows which pike he caught on the weekend wassat drinks
      1. AK-47
        AK-47 5 August 2013 10: 19 New
        +9
        Quote: Rus_87
        No, he probably shows what kind of pike he caught on the weekend.

        It shows which pike Putin caught.
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 5 August 2013 17: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: AK-47
          It shows which pike Putin caught.

          Well no! It shows what eye the pike that Putin caught.
          wassat
    2. mamba
      mamba 5 August 2013 15: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: makst83
      in the cockpit of SU - 30 there is an employee of the plant and spread his arms, such as flew))

      No, he shows the size of his salary. wink
  9. Apollo
    Apollo 5 August 2013 09: 40 New
    10
    Good morning everybody hi

    video footage in the topic

  10. donavi49
    donavi49 5 August 2013 10: 02 New
    +5
    In the 2012 year, the Russian Air Force transferred to 17 aircraft. Borisoglebsky training center received 15 combat training Yak-130. The design of the Yak-130 allows you to practice the skills of piloting all domestic fighters of the 4 generation, as well as the most popular foreign models. The creators claim that it is possible to master the aerobatics of fighters of even the 5 generation. It is supposed to begin work on creating a full-fledged combat version of a light attack fighter based on a combat training aircraft.


    It is only about Irkut - NAPO transferred 10 Su-34 in December 2012, Knaapo - 6 Su-35. Plus, Ana, L-410 and others. A total of last year's new 36 pieces were transferred.

    This year, Iruk has so far conveyed little, namely:
    Su-30CM b / n 54 is the first and so far the only delivered aircraft of this type. 6 is seen for the first time in May 2013 of the year in Akhtubinsk. The general contract from 23 is March 2012 of the year on 30 machines (3 is delivered) and there is a second contract for 30 machines from 19 of December 2012 of the year.

    Yak-130 transferred to the Borisoglebsky Training Center (air base) 2 party for three aircraft. The first batch of b / n 46, 47 and 48 was overtaken by 19 June 2013 of the year, the second in July 2013 of the year (50, 53 in the photo and one more did not get to the spotters). The contract from 8 December 2011 of the year for the supply of 55 aircraft (21 has already been delivered) is being executed.

    However, they promise to transfer the entire GOZ 2013 by November 2013 of the year (and not by December as last year) - we'll see.

    In general, since the beginning of the year:
    In total, at least 15 new aircraft for the Air Force have been built at the moment, at least 14 have been modernized or repaired (many of the firewood), at least 46 helicopters have been built, and 1 has undergone major repairs.
    1. eagle11
      eagle11 5 August 2013 12: 05 New
      0
      Poor Domna, already tired of waiting for thirty ...
      1. Ustin
        Ustin 5 August 2013 14: 17 New
        +2
        Not long left.
  11. Wedmak
    Wedmak 5 August 2013 10: 05 New
    +2
    In total, in the coming 3 years, the Russian Ministry of Defense will receive 60 Su-30СМ and 55 combat training Yak-130.

    It will not be enough. Irkutsk needs one or two assembly shops (and the rest will not hurt one more) to build urgently - then the pace of updating the Air Force will be good. Moreover, we still need to cover the Far East, it is almost empty.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 August 2013 10: 12 New
      11
      Irkut is doing well, now there are two contracts of 30 + 30 machines. There are no new contracts, export kits to India for 5 for another years, plus small orders, no mega-contracts yet. They are now developing in a civilian way, building an assembly line under the MS-21. Fixed assets go there.

      The Far East is covered relatively well, there 46 (48, but one lost and another presumably non-flying after the incident on the ground) Su-27СМ. Plus, the MiG-31BM will now go there en masse (CVO and ZVO have already been rearmament).

      And do not forget about the Su-35, which already ordered 96 pieces.

      By the way, in December 2012 of the year, it turns out they signed a contract for 16 Su-30MK2 at Knaapo. But they will most likely be pulled around the country as a replacement for the Su-27UB. As it was with the first 4 Su-30MK2.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 5 August 2013 11: 48 New
        +4
        Irkut is doing fine, now there are two contracts of 30 + 30 machines ....... They are now developing according to the citizen, they are building an assembly line for MS-21. Fixed assets go there.

        Very good.
        The Far East is covered relatively well, there 46 (48, but one lost and another presumably non-flying after the incident on the ground) Su-27СМ.

        46 boards to the entire Far East? This is not even funny. There should be at least a hundred, if not two. This is not considering flying, repair, etc.
        Plus, the MiG-31BM will now go there en masse (CVO and ZVO have already been rearmament).

        There are not too many flashes, there will be no new ones, but the old ones (and even BM) already have flight restrictions (I heard it out of the ear, I can’t say).
        By the way, in December 2012 of the year, it turns out they signed a contract for 16 Su-30MK2 at Knaapo. But they will most likely be pulled around the country as a replacement for the Su-27UB.

        Replace UB with 30МК2, will not it be too bold? Better let them go to the combat units, there will be more benefit. The same Yak-130 will come out cheaper.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 5 August 2013 15: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: Wedmak
          Replace UB with 30MK2, will not it be too bold?

          UB-shek’s resource is running out. They are being pulled for orphans for the sake of it. And without a pair, they won’t be fully prepared. So everything is right here.
      2. eagle11
        eagle11 5 August 2013 12: 03 New
        +3
        What does it mean "DV is covered relatively well ..."? Why and from what is well covered? TWO aviation groups to such a territory (Yelizovo I don’t count, but even in a place with it) Potential "friends" are deployed in the region of 5,7, 11 VA, plus naval and military aviation, plus the Japanese and South Korean national air forces. Developed airfield network allows you to quickly increase the group. And on the other hand, an even more peaceful "friend", China's Shenyang Air Force Air Force includes not a lot, not a little, three Iads (as expected, three regiments in each).
        What does it mean that “MiG-31BM will go en masse” if everything is in the 3 Com of the Air Force and Air Defense, henceforth on MiG-31? (again in Yelizovo MiG-31 at the sailors)
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 August 2013 12: 14 New
          +4
          What does it mean that “MiG-31BM will go en masse” if everything is in the 3 Com of the Air Force and Air Defense, henceforth on MiG-31? (again in Yelizovo MiG-31 at the sailors)


          There is a MiG-31Б, and there will be a MiG-31БМ. Mostly saturated with ZVO and in 2011-12 CVO, now the turn of modernization has reached the Far East.

          According to the Far East - 2 groups on one of the most modern aircraft in the Russian Air Force (12 SM3 in the south and MiG-29 SMT in Kursk - more modern), this is already not bad. You can not compete with all the neighbors in every corner of the world. If you raise the question of building up, so our country can drive aviation from the Central Military District and Central Military District.
          1. eagle11
            eagle11 5 August 2013 13: 06 New
            +3
            Yes, there are aviation, unmeasured (in the Central Military District and Central Military District). Especially in the CVO, also TWO TWO air groups, but on the MiG-31 (I mean fighters). In ZVO THREE air groups (plus the "Manchester" squadron on the "pigeons" MiG-31BM). God be with him, imagine that the probable one is being led, and they will unleash military operations in one air direction, and will not escalate the situation on other airplanes, and (well, absolutely imbeciles) will not build up the group, and we will send us with a whisker to the Far East, total what is looming over there? About 150 Su-27s (of course, they are all ready) about 50 MiG-29s (the hand doesn’t rise anymore, knowing their condition) about 120 MiG-31s ​​(added a little due to the pulp and paper industry and PLCs), and at the turnstile, there are 48 F-15C, 126 F-16C, 60 F-22A. Japanese Air Force 131 F-15J, 60 F-2A, 54 F-4EJ. Air Force SC 45 F-15K, 119 F-16C, 151 F-5E, 65 F-4E, 52 F-4D. Let the Navy have ONE AVMA "J. Washington" with a 60 F / A-18E Super Hornet. And suddenly MP will not be? And what is the result? Count yourself?
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 5 August 2013 13: 22 New
              +1
              And what is the result? Count yourself?


              In the described scenario - Fallout 2 / 3 wink .

              The US Air Force has four times more combat aircraft than the Russian Air Force - if you don’t rearrange the chairs, nothing good will come of it. Even the USSR could not achieve parity in the Air Force (excluding naval aviation), excluding other NATO countries. And now what i can do? Go surrender or throw all the forces and means to "catch up and overtake the US, Chinese and Japanese air forces combined?" No solution to this problem is possible.

              If you put one Japan, then the available forces to protect the base of the fleet and the minimum necessary cover for the islands are enough. Then there will be a buildup of forces by transferring aircraft from all over the country. If we take the PLA, then all of their air forces are approximately equal to ours (MiGi21 in 100500 modifications if you do not take into account and our strategists are also out of brackets).
              1. eagle11
                eagle11 5 August 2013 13: 57 New
                +2
                The fact of the matter is that it is necessary to create an adequate defense that takes into account the BSE of the opposing enemy, and we continue to self-reduce the Americans, we must take into account that they were registered in the ZTO zone half a century ago.
                Well, the PLA Air Force, 177 Su-27 (J-11), 96 J-10, 72 Su-30, and in general with MRAU, no matter what flies, or Su-30 or Jian-7M (MiG-21), which they have a lot of, plus Jian-8 (J-8)
                1. Odysseus
                  Odysseus 5 August 2013 15: 40 New
                  +4
                  Quote: eagle11
                  The fact of the matter is that it is necessary to create an adequate defense that takes into account the BSE of the opposing enemy, and we continue to reduce self-control of the Americans, we must take into account that they were registered in the ZTO zone half a century ago

                  In the conditions of a capitalist RF, this is impossible. You see what remains of the Air Force over the past 20 years. Against global opponents (USA + satellites, China) we only have nuclear weapons.
                  Quote: eagle11
                  Well, the PLA Air Force, 177 Su-27 (J-11), 96 J-10, 72 Su-30, and in general with MRAU, no matter what flies, or Su-30 or Jian-7M (MiG-21), which they have a lot of, plus Jian-8 (J-8)

                  That you are a PLA Air Force much more. Only the Su-27 (J-11) is more than 320.J-10 according to various estimates from 250 to 350.
                  1. eagle11
                    eagle11 6 August 2013 00: 52 New
                    +1
                    To our joy, the production of J-10 and J-11 is limited to the supply of AL-31F engines, which they have not yet learned to "Xerox" ... Your numbers are too high.
                    1. Odysseus
                      Odysseus 6 August 2013 01: 57 New
                      +1
                      Quote: eagle11
                      To our joy, the production of J-10 and J-11 is limited to the supply of AL-31F engines, which they have not yet learned to "Xerox" ... Your numbers are too high.

                      Rather underestimated.
                      AL-31F only for Su-27, J-11, J-11A. Originally bought 78 Su-27SK (two lost), made 95 J-11 under license. The number of J-11A is unknown, but most likely small.
                      And now the J-11B comes with Chinese engines. At least 4 regiments were known that year.
                      Under J-10A, AL-31FN was purchased. Single-engine aircraft - 399 engines purchased.
                      This year, the mass production of the J-10B began. According to the Chinese, its engines.
                      1. eagle11
                        eagle11 6 August 2013 06: 11 New
                        0
                        Honestly, in official documents, I did not see anything about the shelves on the J-11B, as well as about Chinese engines, from modern ones, only JH-7, in Chinese, the rest on ours. Here it can be added that repair kits were purchased (I don’t know the quantity), for AL-31F, but dtrd, have their own resource, engines and kits are also used to restore the AT.
                      2. Odysseus
                        Odysseus 6 August 2013 17: 38 New
                        0
                        Quote: eagle11
                        Honestly, in official documents, I saw nothing about the shelves on the J-11B

                        On Chinese engines
                        95th regiment 32nd IAD.
                        111th regiment of the 37th Air Force division
                        one of the regiments (88/89) of the 30th Air Force division
                        24th Regiment of the 8th Naval Aviation Division.
                        This is 2012.
                        Quote: eagle11
                        Here it can be added that repair kits were purchased (I don’t know the quantity), for AL-31F, but dtrd, have their own resource, engines and kits are also used to restore the AT.

                        AL-31F is also bought in large quantities. In addition to Su-27 / J-11, they also have Su-30 MK / MK2 (100 pieces).
                        In any case, this is a talk about particulars. In essence, I completely agree with you on the question of the balance of forces in the Far Eastern theater of operations.
            2. Odysseus
              Odysseus 5 August 2013 15: 44 New
              +5
              Quote: donavi49
              Even the USSR could not achieve parity in the Air Force (excluding naval aviation), excluding other NATO countries

              In 1988, the USSR (in Europe) -5955 military aircraft. US (in Europe) -1960 military aircraft.
              All NATO-7130 BS. All ATS-7876 BS.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 6 August 2013 02: 07 New
                +3
                China can send a man into space and send rockets to a near-moon orbit, but, paradoxically, its defense industry complex cannot create modern engines for airplanes and helicopters, tanks and surface ships.

                • In fairness, it should be said that China’s defense industry is capable of producing power plants for relatively simple military platforms — some types of transport aircraft, patrol boats, some types of main battle tanks and armored personnel carriers. But the creation of engines for high-tech combat aircraft, destroyers and other systems encounters serious difficulties. Only submarines are an exception to this rule, although it is not known for certain where the origins of these technologies originate from.

                Chinese paradox: space and aircraft engines

                • China's lag in the field of aircraft engines was once again confirmed by the purchase in Russia of 123 engines ALD-31FN turbofan engines with a total value of more than 500 million US dollars. Taking into account past deliveries (since 2001), the number of purchased engines of this type amounted to 930 units.

                • AL-31FN engines are equipped with J-10, J-11A / B fighters and the developed J-15 carrier-based fighter. Russian RD-93 engines are based on JF-17 fighters. Z-11 helicopters are equipped with French engines, and ARJ-21 civilian airliners are equipped with American ones.

                • Song type diesel-electric submarines are equipped with diesel engines manufactured by the German company MTU, Luhai class destroyers have Ukrainian gas turbines and German diesel engines. The eight-axle BMP ZBL-09 is equipped with a German Deutz engine, the Type 99 main battle tank has an engine developed based on German technology.

                • The fact is that only a few companies in the world have truly mastered the engineering tasks of developing high-performance engines, and China's dependence on foreign suppliers deeply affects Beijing. But American researchers Gabe Collins and associate professor Andrew Erickson, in their extensive report published on the China SignPost specialized website, write that China began to focus on developing factories for producing military engines.

                • “The development of the Chinese aerospace industry is driven by four strategic imperatives, as it aims to produce as many high-performance aircraft engines as possible:
                1. avoid dependence on foreign suppliers;
                2. unwillingness to have Russian engines;
                3. achieve independence in export sales of aircraft;
                4. say goodbye to unsatisfactory Russian after-sale engine maintenance. ”
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 6 August 2013 02: 08 New
                  +2
                  According to the researchers, China is faced with problems of quality control and reliability of aircraft engine turbine blades, is limited in the choice of materials, and does not have the most up-to-date system for designing, integrating and managing product development and production.

                  • Progress is uneven, the authors write. The dominant conglomerate of the Chinese aircraft industry - the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) with 10 branches and 400 thousand employees - is currently paying great attention to research and development of jet engines and intends to invest 10 billion in this direction over the next five years. RMB (1,5 billion US dollars).

                  • This is especially important because Russia is increasingly reluctant to play the role of engine supplier, in part because of increased domestic demand, and also because of China’s increased international competitiveness. Such a policy could seriously impede the modernization of the Chinese Air Force J-10, J-11, J-15 and J-20 fighters. The last of them is a fifth-generation fighter and is under development, but Moscow does not seem to dare to supply 117C engines for this aircraft, which are necessary for the J-20, since they have the required thrust.

                  • American researchers believe that China will need another two to three years to master the production of modern engines, it will take another five to ten years to organize serial production of "first-class turbofan engines for fifth-generation fighters."

                  • “If China can reach the level of the United States 20 years ago and master the production of fourth-generation engines, then this development will be vital for China as a regional military aviation power and deserves close attention from politicians,” the authors write.

                  • Collins and Erickson characterize China’s current inability to mass-produce advanced jet engines of the required quality as the “Achilles heel” of its aerospace industry. Nevertheless, the revitalization of AVIC Corporation in this direction can be successful, the results of these works can be applied to the development of engines for land and naval weapons systems.
          2. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 5 August 2013 16: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: eagle11
            And what is the result? Count yourself?

            Air defense fled or dissolved? For Japan, a large-scale war with the Russian Federation means only one thing - nuclear war against it, and the population density there is wow. RK - similarly - Seoul agglomeration is almost 1/3 of the population of Korea. USA - mutual unacceptable losses.
            Now the question is - what is the idea of ​​suicide with the help of MRAU on the territory of the Russian Federation?
            1. eagle11
              eagle11 6 August 2013 00: 55 New
              +1
              And who said that Japan will get involved in large-scale? And if for the Kuril Islands? Do you think that management will consider the use of nuclear weapons appropriate? Not to mention the fact that the world will be “prepared”, and in his eyes, we will not be in a pink light. So, Mrau, not suicide, but the usual form of aviation. About air defense, "smiled", I myself have a relationship with them, because I have a little idea, the ratio ...
              1. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 6 August 2013 12: 05 New
                -1
                Quote: eagle11
                And who said that Japan will get involved in large-scale? And if for the Kuril Islands?

                That is, the Kuril Islands for the Russian Federation are much less significant than South Ossetia?
                Quote: eagle11
                So, Mrau, not suicide, but the usual form of aviation.

                Only when the enemy is sure that they will not inflict MPNUs on him.
                Quote: eagle11
                About air defense, "smiled", I myself have a relationship with them, because I have a little idea, the ratio ...

                Do not count separately.
                1. eagle11
                  eagle11 6 August 2013 12: 44 New
                  +1
                  Did Russia threaten someone with the use of nuclear weapons? The enemy is confident that he will be able to strike faster and intercept enemy missiles ...
                  The decision even to use tactical nuclear weapons is not very simple, because it can cause an asymmetric response. America, unlike Russia, has always acted decisively ...
                  Now it’s not the USSR, other ideals, other leaders. Remind me, at least one case that the actions of Russia, caused economic damage to the United States?
                  1. Odysseus
                    Odysseus 6 August 2013 17: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: eagle11
                    Now it’s not the USSR, other ideals, other leaders. Remind me, at least one case that the actions of Russia, caused economic damage to the United States?

                    That's right, so Japan is even a more dangerous adversary than the PRC. It’s good that for the United States, China is the main adversary, so they direct the energy of their satellite mainly against the PRC.
                  2. Rakti-kali
                    Rakti-kali 6 August 2013 23: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: eagle11
                    Did Russia threaten someone with the use of nuclear weapons?

                    To everyone. Read the "military doctrine of the Russian Federation" on the network it is.
                    Quote: eagle11
                    The enemy is confident that he will be able to strike faster and intercept enemy missiles ...

                    belay Oh really!? And who is this madness ... uh-uh ... the enemy?
                    Quote: eagle11
                    The decision even to use tactical nuclear weapons is not very simple, because it can cause an asymmetric response.

                    Nonsense.
                    Quote: eagle11
                    America, unlike Russia, has always acted decisively ...

                    belay No, of course ... resolutely beat the weak. Heroes, Mlyn ... Please provide a list of countries that own nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles that the decisive United States attacked.
                    Quote: eagle11
                    Now it’s not the USSR, other ideals, other leaders.

                    Some situations have no alternatives.
                    Quote: eagle11
                    Remind me, at least one case that the actions of Russia, caused economic damage to the United States?

                    Do not find it - it's silly to consider wet when discussing green.
                    1. eagle11
                      eagle11 8 August 2013 13: 36 New
                      -1

                      To everyone. Read the "military doctrine of the Russian Federation" on the network it is.

                      Dear, besides documents on the network, are you familiar with documents related to the application of OPPO? Or maybe at the secondary school, were present at the decision on the PNA? You know, a very interesting action, if not to the public (or even from the "television" reports of the commanders, cramps of laughter).
                      Nonsense.

                      Tell us the algorithm for determining the development of a military conflict at the beginning of the use of nuclear weapons?
                      Please provide a list of countries that own nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles that the decisive United States has attacked.

                      If you need to be attacked, you probably are also familiar with the conclusions of analysts on military conflicts (not from the NETWORK!)
                      Some situations have no alternatives.

                      Here are just leaders who have "little" little money in circulation, outside the vast homeland.
                      Do not find it - it's silly to consider wet when discussing green.

                      In our world, war is the continuation of politics, politics is made with money from the economy. Do not find it a bit narrow, do not discuss where everything is going.
                    2. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 8 August 2013 20: 27 New
                      -1
                      Quote: eagle11
                      Dear, besides documents on the network, are you familiar with documents related to the application of OPPO? Or maybe at the secondary school, were present at the decision on the PNA? You know, a very interesting action, if not to the public (or even from the "television" reports of the commanders, cramps of laughter).

                      My dear, what is the connection between the abbreviations you saw somewhere and the military doctrine that establishes the fundamental possibility of using nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation, including against an enemy that does not possess nuclear weapons, including preventively?
                      Or have you seen enough of the kin about the war - only there the war lasts 1,5-2 hours from start to finish?
                      Quote: eagle11
                      Tell us the algorithm for determining the development of a military conflict at the beginning of the use of nuclear weapons?

                      But where am I, Comrade Commander, this is not my level, they take me from the battlefield from 5 minutes to an hour.
                      Quote: eagle11
                      If you need to be attacked, you probably are also familiar with the conclusions of analysts on military conflicts (not from the NETWORK!)

                      Yeah ... if you already have nothing to lose. His shirt, she, you know, dear, closer to the body.
                      Quote: eagle11
                      Here are just leaders who have "little" little money in circulation, outside the vast homeland.

                      Where??? Where is she??? Relationship where is she belay ??
                      Ahhhhh ... got it !!! Prosralivsepolymers !!! We are very happy !!! Commanders
                      I understand you correctly, so it was necessary to answer?
                      Quote: eagle11
                      In our world, war is the continuation of politics, politics is made with money from the economy. Do not find it a bit narrow, do not discuss where everything is going.

                      Well, the Yankees will not fight at all - the trillions of them will be spent on protecting the ridiculous Japanese people, and the exhaust from that zero oil is not there. tongue
                    3. eagle11
                      eagle11 9 August 2013 16: 12 New
                      -1
                      My dear, that's about what they take you to the battlefield, and write. They give me time to assess the situation and work out proposals for a solution (I’m not the commander, :). And, believe me, I don’t learn from nete. And if the generally accepted abbreviations do not know what then to shake the air about nuclear weapons. And the connection is that there are no references in military documents to military doctrine. Perhaps you have a special combat charter written on the basis of military doctrine on your battlefield? Where do I need five-minute fighters ... Success on the battlefield, and about the doctrine! Do not forget the doctrine!
                    4. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 9 August 2013 21: 24 New
                      -1
                      Quote: eagle11
                      My dear, this is about what is assigned to you on the battlefield, and write

                      Dear, enlighten - http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
                      I knew that the fish would bite on this hook, another pseudo-officer, undoubtedly endowed with great powers, but knowing only a set of myths, horror stories and tales.
                      Quote: eagle11
                      And the connection is that there are no references in military documents to military doctrine.

                      This does not mean that this document is an analogue of toilet paper, this document declares the state policy in the field of defense and military construction. And if you are suddenly not in the know, then all documents accepted after the adoption of the RF Airborne Forces must comply with its provisions.
                      Quote: eagle11
                      Perhaps you have a special combat charter written on the basis of military doctrine on your battlefield? Where do I need five-minute fighters ... Success on the battlefield, and about the doctrine! Do not forget the doctrine!

                      Ah, what a pity that you have run out of logical arguments and arguments, monsieur general, otherwise how could you not read your appeals to the documents, but you haven’t seen them in your eyes either. Although, perhaps I am mistaken, and the extracts from the internal service charter are familiar to you ...
                    5. eagle11
                      eagle11 10 August 2013 08: 50 New
                      0
                      Quote: Rakti-Kali
                      Ah, what a pity that you have run out of logical arguments and arguments, monsieur general, otherwise how could you not read your appeals to the documents, but you haven’t seen them in your eyes either. Although, perhaps I am mistaken, and the extracts from the internal service charter are familiar to you ...

                      What you, dear, did not even conduct classes in operational art! I'm a pseudo-officer! That's just something, military manuals (which I have not seen), have not changed at all, after changing the doctrine. Even more, since the times of the USSR, there have not been any changes in the field of warfare. If it’s about the doctrine that you (in the UCP) have carefully studied, it reads: “The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in case of aggression against the Russian Federation using conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
                      The decision to use nuclear weapons is made by the President of the Russian Federation. "
                      In general, seriously, the use of strategic nuclear weapons in a conflict with Japan is extremely unlikely; in response to America, you can get a full-fledged nuclear-powered ballistic missile system using one of 65 SIOP options. Do you know they also have contracts. Tactical YABs can be used, but ...
                      For your information, combat planning is carried out in peacetime, where the use of forces and means is determined, options are considered, including the use of nuclear weapons. That's just not at all how you imagine and write here.
                      By the way, I’m familiar with the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, I won’t conceal it, I went to school for two years in a row, you know, he was like that at that time, and they didn’t put anyone there.
                      About the conformity of documents, 10 years ago, when he was still serving in the "troops", it was very difficult to communicate with inspections from the Moscow Region and the General Staff, especially for them there were two sets of signs "KAZARMA" and "SOLDIER Dormitory". This is the difference between OVU and DGSh.
                    6. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 10 August 2013 10: 55 New
                      0
                      Quote: eagle11
                      In general, seriously, the use of strategic nuclear weapons in a conflict with Japan is extremely unlikely; in response to America, you can get a full-fledged nuclear-powered ballistic missile system using one of 65 SIOP options. Do you know they also have contracts. Tactical YABs can be used, but ...

                      Well, glory to Allah, finally constructive!
                      Naturally! Naturally, the use of nuclear weapons in a conflict with Japan is unlikely, but the fact is that a full-scale military conflict with Japan (yes, for the same islands), even an iota higher than the level of border “misunderstanding,” is even less likely. Ask why? It's simple - a large-scale conflict can lead to the use of nuclear weapons, the use of nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation will force the United States to use its nuclear weapons to protect an ally, the use of nuclear weapons of the United States will cause the reciprocal use of nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation across the United States - the result is the 3rd world ... because China has nuclear weapons and interests in the region and disagreements with all parties to the conflict ...
                      Conclusion: the US leadership will take all measures to prevent a large-scale military conflict between Japan and the Russian Federation.
                      Z.Y. I really hope that our little misunderstanding with phallometry and tapping the “device” on the table is a thing of the past.
  • VAF
    VAF 5 August 2013 20: 26 New
    0
    Quote: donavi49
    12 CM3 in the south


    They are not in the South, but in Morozovsk. In Krymsk, there is still a "reconstruction" of the air base, after the tragic events!
    Yes, and they "go", according to conversations in Lida.

    1. TSOOBER
      TSOOBER 5 August 2013 22: 40 New
      +1
      about Lida, heats the soul !!! good
  • Russ69
    Russ69 5 August 2013 13: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Wedmak
    It will not be enough.

    Do not forget that this year we will get another 10-12 Su-34 and Su-35, we have reached a very normal pace for today.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 August 2013 13: 33 New
      +2
      I do not forget. But 34, bombers, and talk about fighters. Although, of course, you cannot focus on one type, you need to let everyone out, albeit little by little.
  • Ustin
    Ustin 5 August 2013 14: 21 New
    +4
    There is quite enough space in Irkut for these plans, and the organization of the process is built well. The problem is not in the assembly plant, but in Pickers. They need to be embroidered.
  • indiggo
    indiggo 5 August 2013 10: 24 New
    0
    that is, the Su-30MK2 do combat training?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 August 2013 10: 31 New
      +2
      First 4 yes, 2 in SEE (exactly where 12 Su-27СМ3), 2 in FEO. However, against the background of a lack of UB and insufficient rates of their repairs, as well as the gradual saturation of the air force with airplanes with the new Su-27UB avionics, it is already becoming less relevant, but Su-30МК2 is what is needed.
      1. Argon
        Argon 5 August 2013 12: 38 New
        0
        It’s not at all clear what you are writing about, the Su-30MK2 is a “modernized commercial vehicle” that is, having foreign-made components as part of the avionics. What kind of entry into service can be discussed? If the machines were ordered, and not under specific contracts, then most likely they will be used to test promising weapon systems, or (in the most positive scenario), Russian Knights will be put on them due to the fact that such a board is easier to adapt to international standards of technical means of automation and flight safety.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 August 2013 12: 44 New
          +3
          The error is small, we are talking about the Su-30M2 (in fact, the MK2 board and the first 4 from the stock on the MK2 were assembled) - on December 29 of the year, Sukhoi Company OJSC signed a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the supply of 2012 Su-16M30 aircraft to 2 -2013 years.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 5 August 2013 10: 36 New
    +3
    Fighters will enter the Air Force as a whole squadron.

    + + + + + + + + + + + +
  • indiggo
    indiggo 5 August 2013 10: 37 New
    +1
    By the way, you don’t know how the modernization of Su 27 goes to the SM3 version, like everyone should before 2015 it turns out that the su-27UB will soon see a decommissioning well or a modernization))
  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 5 August 2013 10: 37 New
    +3
    "The design of the Yak-130 allows you to practice the skills of piloting all domestic 4th-generation fighters, as well as the most popular foreign models. The creators claim that it is possible to master the piloting of fighters even the 5th generation."
    Is this the same Yak-130 as super-maneuverable as fighter with UVT?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 August 2013 10: 45 New
      +5
      The maneuverability there is at a level, mainly due to the subsonic calculation of the airframe. It is possible to upload control restriction programs, thereby emulating various types of aircraft. However, one should not forget that “specially trained people” rather than combat pilots turn on an aerobatics aerobatics show. Combat pilots on UVT or without it do not enter such modes.

    2. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 5 August 2013 11: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Black Colonel
      Is this the same Yak-130 as super-maneuverable as fighter with UVT?

      No. Maneuvering techniques using the capabilities of air-to-air weapons are not supposed to be worked out on it - not the same level.
      1. Argon
        Argon 5 August 2013 13: 46 New
        0
        The Yak-130 is a machine of the "initial / middle" stage of training, when it was adopted for armament, the main role was played by the "cost of h / h" and the adaptable EMF (remember those times). In light of the appearance in service of vehicles with "cruising supersonic" and "super maneuverability "The 130th ceases to satisfy the Air Force as a training one, for pilots of aircraft of generations 4 ++ and 5. In this case, a supersonic TCB is needed. The unique design of the Yak-130 is that it can be used to create a supersonic machine of the" secondary / profile "training stage. ( Yes, in fact, it has already been created-Chinese L-15). Provided that engines with UVT are used, such a machine will allow to work out some elements of "super-maneuverability", while the cost of a flight hour will be at least 1,5 times lower than that of the T-50 more than the Su-35. I don’t know what this Yak will be called, perhaps (given our realities) the “second” UTS Russian Air Force will become one of the Su projects. However, I would like to remind you that piloting on an air show is just beautifully matched combination of combat elements, which each “pilot with a class” MUST fulfill individually. I mean fighters.
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 5 August 2013 15: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Argon
          In light of the advent of vehicles with "cruising supersonic" and "super maneuverability"
          130th ceases to satisfy the Air Force as a training one, for pilots of aircraft generation 4 ++ and 5

          Why's that? No need to sculpt a wunderwafle from a training aircraft.
          Quote: Argon
          In this case, a supersonic TCB is required.
          What for? can you justify?
          Quote: Argon
          The uniqueness of the design of the Yak-130 is that on its basis it is possible to create a supersonic machine at the stage of "secondary / profile" training. (
          Yes, in fact, it has already been created-Chinese L-15).
          Yeah, a cross between a hedgehog with a price of 4+ for a fighter, and not standing close to it in terms of performance
          Quote: Argon
          Provided that engines with UVT are used, such a machine will allow to work out some elements of "super-maneuverability", despite the fact that the cost of a flight hour will be at least 1,5 times lower than that of the T-50 and even more so than the Su-35
          Yeah, it remains only to increase the thrust-to-weight ratio, otherwise nothing will work. And by the way, saving 1,5 times is nothing at all.
          1. Argon
            Argon 5 August 2013 23: 19 New
            +1
            But I’m not afraid of hamsters even evil laughing Study the question before leaving frivolous comments: Firstly, in 91g, the S-130 Sukhoi supersonic UTS (by the way, which is a completely independent car) defeated the S-54 supersonic UTS in the competition for UTS projects (MiG-AT; Yak-54; S-346) class-supersonic TCB) .How would this be? Ask yourself why Israel is considering creating a super-sound TCB together with Italians on the M-130 platform (and in fact the same Yak-XNUMX). I will not allow justifying the need for the volume of commentary. To work out certain elements of over-maneuverability (just like that) for example: the basics of piloting with negative and near-zero linear speeds, the subsequent exit to normal modes, getting out of the corkscrew, the thrust ratio is not the main thing, the algorithms "EMF with the included component of the variable thrust vector" are much more important, or rather skill use them. For saving, I’ll say that it is directly dependent on the maximum take-off mass of the sample, draw your own conclusions. And yet, more thoughtfully read the comment With three opponents, half of the questions will disappear by itself.
    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 August 2013 12: 00 New
      +5
      Is this the same Yak-130 as super-maneuverable as fighter with UVT?

      Of course not. The yak is intended for pilot training. Plus emulation of various types of aircraft. Those. The "basic" experience is acquired and angrily acquired, and then on to the "original".
  • svp67
    svp67 5 August 2013 10: 49 New
    +4
    In total, in the coming 3 years, the Russian Ministry of Defense will receive 60 Su-30СМ and 55 combat training Yak-130.
    Most likely it’s important in this news, not only that our Air Force will receive two 30-ot squadrons, although this is certainly good, but that many new pilots will be trained on new, with excellent combat training Yak ...
  • Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 5 August 2013 11: 04 New
    +4
    good news!!! it’s high time to update our army with new equipment !!! and the military will feel more confident and we will be calmer))) and indeed we need to finally lift our defense from our knees!
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M 5 August 2013 12: 22 New
    +5
    Irkutsk alone can’t cope. It’s necessary to raise plants. The more the better. Enough to sit on oil and gas, we need technology to buy and raise production. We need to learn how to make machine tools ourselves, we need to train personnel from the school. Then we won’t be happy about 15 planes a year. And there will be hundreds of aircraft and not only different dryers.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 August 2013 12: 50 New
      +2
      This year there will be all kinds of 15 aircraft per year, because there are already so many of them, and the main deliveries have not yet passed.

      Irkut, NAPO, Knaapo, Aviakor, Aviastar, Beriev, Kazan, Ulan-Ude, Kumertau, Progress, Rostvertol are actively working. And these are only the largest.
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 5 August 2013 12: 42 New
    +4
    Of the new machines in the Air Force received:
    34 MiG-29 (28 MiG-29SMT and 6 MiG-29UBT) from the party that Algeria refused;
    29 Su-34, up to 2015 of the year it is planned to increase to 32, until 2020 of the year another 92 and bring their total number to 120, are based on Baltimore airport, near Voronezh,
    15 Su-35 (5 Su-35, 10 Su-35S), until 2015 they plan to purchase 48 aircraft, however, a further increase in the number of aircraft may be hindered by a contract with China;
    12 Su-30 (5 Su-30, 4 Su-30M2, 3 Su-30SM, 2016 units are planned to be purchased until 60. The machine was created on the basis of the well-known Su-27UB military, run-in in export contracts (India. China, Vietnam , Venezuela, Algeria, Indonesia), so there will be no problems with its production at KNAAPO, unless another export contract may interfere;
    32 Yak-130 (two lost in plane crashes in 2006 and 2010, respectively), it was planned to purchase until 2015 -55, by 2017 it was planned to have 65 units, but fortunately the plans changed upwards. Our Nizhny Novgorod 21st Sokol plant is focused on export deliveries of the Yak-130 (Algeria), and the Syrian contract for 36 Yak-130 is currently being implemented. Officials claim that the contract will be executed, so that it is likely that the Yak-130 will be “run-in” in combat conditions, especially since there is a project to use it as a light attack aircraft. In case of failure to fulfill the contract, all manufactured Yak-1300 will go to the Air Force. But there is one more problem, that the Yak-130 is equipped with the Ukrainian AI-222-25 engine, and how will relations with Ukraine develop further?
    66 Su-25s were upgraded to Su-25SM; 12 Su-27 to Su-27SM3, and all together with Su-27SM there will be 253; 24 MiG-31 to MiG-31BM (a total of 60 is planned); over 40 Su-24 to Su24M2; Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 are being modernized
    That is, recently the Air Force received 122 new combat aircraft and over 132 modernized ones. Which is very, very good. Of course I would like more. Moreover, mattresses and gay Europeans are unlikely to calm down. Yours faithfully! hi
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 August 2013 13: 14 New
      +8
      29 Su-34, up to 2015 of the year it is planned to increase to 32, until 2020 of the year another 92 and bring their total number to 120, are based on Baltimore airport, near Voronezh,


      24 to Baltimore, by the end of the year should close the contract for 32 aircraft. A new contract for 92 machines is being implemented.

      Experienced and Akhtuba sides are better not to consider.

      15 Su-35 (5 Su-35, 10 Su-35С


      Similarly, 10 Su-35С was transmitted (the first 4 in 2010-2011 and 6 in 2012). Dry sides (901, 902, 904 is better not to count).

      12 Su-30


      More correct will be 4 Su-30М2 and 3 Su-30СМ. The first and only old batch of Su-30 has long been non-flying firewood. Sadness, longing.

      According to the contracts:
      30 + 30 Su-30СМ - 3 delivered.
      16 Su-30M2

      32 Yak-130


      True, so much is delivered in parts. However, the order so far is 55 cars + 12 already delivered under the first contract with Sokol (by the way they are scolded, the quality is low, the Irkutsk sides are much better and have practically no problems, plus the factory teams solve everything).

      40 Su-24 to Su24М2;


      All Su-24 CVOs went through the modernization of Hephaestus.

      Tu-22M3


      At least 1 Tu-22М3М was last year.

      132 upgraded.


      Still need to add recovered. For example, IL-76MD registration of RA-76746 at 360 ARZ was restored from firewood in the crap and transferred this year. An-22 RA-09341 has a similar fate, but only a little less dramatic. IL-22VKP (the last board with the registration of the USSR) rotted for ten years, even extreme extremists climbed into it, pofotkat inside, but now, they were restored, significantly upgraded (compatible with the latest ACS Zarya, Metronom Constellation-25) and put into operation this year.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 5 August 2013 12: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: DmitriRazumov
    Quote: Krilion
    The whole horror is that, on the one hand, Putin seems to be doing fine and does some things correctly, and on the other hand, total corruption and robberies of Russians.

    No wonder. GDP strives to stay in power, balancing between the "new" aristocracy and the need to strengthen state potential. Almost all leaders (tsars) did this in the history of Russia. More or less successful or not. Many of them were killed during streltsy riots, guards coups, etc. The interests of the aristocracy often go as opposed to the interests of the head, the people. The art of the supreme leader is to prevent himself from overthrowing and at the same time crushing the aristocracy. Ivan the Terrible practically crushed the specific boyar aristocracy with the help of cruel methods of the oprichnina, but at the same time the people were bled. The first Romanovs balanced as they could. Peter 3 was not helped even by the Decree on noble liberties. Pavel fought hard against the privileges of the nobility and the highest aristocracy, trying to ensure the priority of the supreme power, for which he was killed. Alexander was fishing. Nicholas 1 quite smartly and for a long time knocked out the soil from under the local nobility, gradually preparing peasant reform and putting the feudal lords in unfavorable economic conditions. So everything is not very simple. Power is never in the same hands.

    Good day to all! Very accurately noticed! good
    We don’t know all the intricacies of the “Kremlin shusher”, someone will talk about them or brag about in 15-25 years, and even then the accuracy of the statements will be doubtful ...
    And what we see in recent years, I rightly do not know how to really evaluate:
    - whether sincere state impulses of the soul Comrade Putin good ,
    - whether a childhood desire everywhere to be the first and ride higher on a "lame toy horse" crying
    Of course, time will put everything in its place, but what price will still have to pay us ordinary citizens Russia and other CIS countries, for returning to a normal, safe life and perspective for children and grandchildren? fool
  • t-95
    t-95 5 August 2013 13: 16 New
    -1
    I can’t understand everyone who’s not happy, and over what period of time the situation in the country should change so drastically that everyone will be happy?
  • Diviz
    Diviz 5 August 2013 13: 38 New
    +2
    more new planes. the main thing is that prices are not inflated and high salaries are paid to employees.
  • Commander
    Commander 5 August 2013 14: 48 New
    -3
    Good news!!! And you can criticize this news at Navalny! Amers feed him !!! And for us - great news!
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 5 August 2013 15: 33 New
    +1
    VAF for some reason disappeared from the site. Options 3; or on the seas, or offended by us, or my wife hid the computer, (mine does this when I sit until morning). Well, the fourth option is in the order of delirium, probably he stands here under a different name (for example, donavi49, it is very similar in style and awareness), who also thought so raise their hands. smile
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 August 2013 16: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      VAF for some reason disappeared from the site.


      Yes, I didn’t “disappear” .. I periodically read about my wife almost correctly. The only reason for hiding is not that I sit behind him a lot, but because I constantly want to “bang”. read this nonsense, which is written in aviation topics .. already there is no power !!!

      Already departed on the seas and on business trips the same!

      Donavi49 "uses" the officially voiced "people noodle" 9 although some numbers are correct! So the style of publishing (he has a very correct one). but for me ... well, you know which one (rightly boorish), it's hard to confuse!

      Well, Kuznetsov1977- this is generally .. "the guy from the Party Congress of the Bucket" .. urya ... and we all of them ... what for the modernization of the Su-27's in SM3 ... grass got smoked ???? Su-24M2 is a "hussar", all in Khurba, they don’t upgrade this version much, only in Hephaestus.
      Su 25CM only 58 pieces today .. this is the most "extreme" 58 ... in the "new color"!
      The photo is clickable!

      1. TSOOBER
        TSOOBER 5 August 2013 18: 28 New
        +2
        Hello hello! For photo as always drinks !! Glad to read again good ! Maybe in the know that there is already MIGs like August, but silence? And another question, is there any progress in the work on the over-the-barrel MI-28 radar?
        1. VAF
          VAF 5 August 2013 19: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: TSOOBER
          Maybe in the know that there on MIGs is already like August, but silence?


          Official will be announced at MAX wink

          Quote: TSOOBER
          And another question, is there any progress in the work on the supra-muzzle radar MI-28?


          It seems to be, but it is necessary to go to Milevtsi, for a long time ... was not drinks

          At least right now they’re going without supra-muzzle ... even to Kenya they’re delivered without it, although 28NE goes in cipher

          1. TSOOBER
            TSOOBER 5 August 2013 19: 42 New
            0
            Thank you Sergey! With MI-28, everything is clear by 2020 lol ! But for the MIGs - we are waiting for the MAX!
          2. donavi49
            donavi49 5 August 2013 20: 03 New
            +5
            By the way, Rosoboron denies deliveries to Kenya, there are no pictures of spoters, or rather there are 3 Mi-171 delivered to Kenya and recognized by Rosoboron (by the way, Mi-171 do not sit there, but actively work in Somalia). Therefore, either this is a big, big secret, which is unlikely, because they would be lit up as an object of national pride (by analogy with the Ugandan Su-30MK), or a duck. The first official contract for Mi-28NE is Iraq and the face of the helicopters is truncated (without radar and other stray ed. 298). Algeria abandoned the helicopter before the introduction of the radar. But it is very interested in Mi-26Т2 (it is Т2, and not ready for the production of T).

            Milevtsy and Rostvertol for this year are loaded with the topic No. 1 creation of UB board. For already three-liter jars of petroleum jelly are not enough after the visits of competent persons. They vow promise to begin the test this year. With UB production, the most painful problem today will be solved - the training of pilots (in Mi-28H different cockpits and pilots can only be rolled out on simulators).

            As for the development, everything is best described in Mil's officialdom:
            Designed by RKD for the manufacture of prototype helicopters ed. “296” (Mi-28UB), “298” (Mi-28NE).
            Work was carried out to eliminate the shortcomings identified during the ICG.
            Resource testing of aggregates and systems ed. "294".
            Work was carried out to support the serial production of the helicopter at OJSC Rostvertol.
            In 2012, the Pilot Plant finalized the Mi-28Н No. 40201 helicopter according to the design bureau list as part of the production of the prototype helicopter ed. Xnumx
            Ergonomics comments in the cockpit have been fixed, work has been completed on an additional list of works for the ed. 294 No.40202 and installed PIC on the theme "Vanguard-3".

            LIC of the cost center in 2012, completed:
            preliminary tests (1 stage) of the Mi-28Н No. 35105 helicopter equipped with an airborne radar station and a PKV-M24A flight control system with a TLD.
            preliminary tests ed. "294" equipped with a complex of communication equipment KSS-28Н with radio stations "Prima" - DMV No. 1 and No. 2.
            special flight tests of a serial Mi-28Н №35104 helicopter under conditions of natural icing.
            1. VAF
              VAF 5 August 2013 21: 30 New
              0
              Quote: donavi49
              there are no pictures of spoters,


              And XTO said that there are no pictures ???? belay wink



              Torzhok, 3rd "Kenyan" (in Leapird-tiger color lol ) June 2013. bully
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 5 August 2013 23: 11 New
                +2
                Not simular wink . This is the usual yellow board (age - yellow numbers were the first in Torzhok) in the old color.
              2. donavi49
                donavi49 5 August 2013 23: 12 New
                +4
                Kenyan "war paint" of our Mi-171.
      2. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 5 August 2013 19: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        he has a very correct one). but for me ... well, you know which one (rightly boorish), it's hard to confuse!

        Of course it’s hard to confuse, but how did Sergey need to provoke you to “Saber Dance”. After your explanatory information, on the Su-27cm3, the 24th and 25th, which you incidentally mentioned more than once in your comments, it has become much clearer for everyone than we actually have. Thank! But nonsense, it is nonsense in Africa, it can be passed by nerves, but you need to regularly share your findings and information with your compatriots so that the "nonsense" disappears. Glad to see you again on the site. fellow
        1. VAF
          VAF 5 August 2013 19: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: cherkas.oe
          it was necessary to provoke, to "Saber Dance".


          Oleg, dear, I must admit ... the maneuver was a success drinks

          Quote: cherkas.oe
          After your explanatory information, according to Su-27cm3, the 24th and 25th,


          Just forum users, operating in their comments, rainbow numbers on the staffing and payroll, a little confuse the "concept" and of that declared number, unfortunately, God forbid, only half flies.

          Plus, give out an upgrade, for a new one ... somehow not seriously ... because there are 3 new SM-oks, 12s, and all the rest ... as if it were a little slower to put it .... the planes are already aged, including , by the way, and supposedly "new" MiG-29SMT (from Algerians)!

          I don’t want to go to an article about Indian Bramos and ours ..... "Wishlist" .. here is a photo .. our missile, or rather the MA-31 target already assembled by Boeing.

          not photoshop, but a real photo soldier

          1. TSOOBER
            TSOOBER 5 August 2013 20: 18 New
            +1
            Sergey-Ministry of Defense of Russia and the Irkut Corporation signed an opinion on the results of flight tests of the latest multi-purpose fighter Su-30SM. They are recognized as satisfactory, which allows us to start mass production and mass deliveries of fighters to the troops, this is a common practice (aircraft in the army, albeit in small quantities), and the results of flight tests are not yet and how things were in the USSR in this regard (this is global practice or homegrown solution)? Thanks in advance drinks
            1. VAF
              VAF 5 August 2013 21: 38 New
              0
              Quote: TSOOBER
              and there are no results of flight tests yet and how things were in the USSR in this regard (is this a global practice or a home-grown solution)


              Igor, this is an “event”, in principle, world practice, although ideally everything should be ready in a complex, because TTZ is issued to everyone at the same time, but ..... that’s why both engine drivers and gunsmiths and radio operators. And electronic engineers are late. d.
              Therefore, everything is normal here, especially since this news was purely in the LTVPS container.
              So here everything is exactly as you write .. a common practice.

  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 5 August 2013 20: 11 New
    +1
    Fuck, like that gingerbread from companions. belay
  • Submariner
    Submariner 5 August 2013 23: 53 New
    +2
    "We have invested too much money so that the Russians again take to the air on wide-body aircraft" (c) the State Department.
  • vanderhaas
    vanderhaas 6 August 2013 04: 26 New
    0
    And the deputy minister of defense will not boil over all the factories in order to track the implementation of the contract?
    In times not so distant, there was an institution of military acceptance. Not going to revive?
  • KononAV
    KononAV 6 August 2013 14: 52 New
    0
    need more weapons. It keeps the world!