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Redrawing the map of Central Asia: myth or reality?

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The Internet has bypassed an opinion about a possible split in Central Asia, expressed by analysts from the Center for Strategic Studies under the President of Tajikistan. It turns out that there is a danger of new frontiers on the political map of the region. Experts are sure: there are tendencies of unification of the Tajik and Afghan Badakhshan, as well as the creation of the Fergana Republic on the basis of the territories of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. In the matter of countering separatism and extremism, Tajikistan is ready to rely on Mother Russia, and at the same time on China - most likely, on the one who will respond first.




As pointed out by Marianna Ozhereleva ("Voice of Russia"), in fact, there are few prerequisites for the formation of new states in Central Asia. Despite the turbulent situation, the threat of full-scale destabilization of the region does not exist. So says Dmitry Alexandrov, Head of the Central Asia Sector at the Center for the Study of the Problems of the CIS Countries of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies.

In his opinion, the assessment of Tajik political scientists is "somewhat alarmist." There is no immediate full-scale threat of destabilization in Central Asia.

It should also be borne in mind that the population does not really support separatist ideas. In addition, the population of the Tajik, Uzbek and Kyrgyz parts of the Fergana Valley is very different in ethnic composition. The population of Afghan Badakhshan and the fact that it is part of Tajikistan (Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Region) is also different.

The variant of the state’s emergence, the expert believes, is possible only with the complete disintegration of the Central Asian region. But this is “a fantastic scenario for now”.

Nevertheless, the head of the Center for Strategic Studies under the President of Tajikistan, political scientist Saifullo Safarov, believes that new state formations in Central Asia may arise. The analyst shared his arguments with the correspondent. "Voices of Russia" Galim Faskhutdinov.

A political scientist sees the prerequisites for the creation of the Ferghana Republic through the merger of the regions of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan:

“There are several options. There are forces that want to recreate the Islamic caliphate. These are organizations such as Hizb-ut-Tahrir, Al-Qaida, and a number of other terrorist and extremist groups. And then there are nationalist groups that wish to take control of the Kyrgyz regions of Osh, Jalalabad, Batken, the Uzbek cities of Andijan, Namangan, Fergana, southern Kazakhstan and the northern Sughd region of Tajikistan. Thus, at once four countries of Central Asia are threatened by this project. And everyone is silent. You need to be vigilant. ”


As for the Pamirs, the scientist does not rule out attempts by certain forces to create the “Big Badakhshan” here based on the unification of the northern Afghan province and the Tajik region.

G. Faskhutdinov notes that extremist activists continue to be detained in the region. According to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Tajikistan, 2013 members of banned organizations (the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Ansarullah, Jundullah, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, etc.) were arrested in the republic for six months of 27.

As an hour “X” for Central Asia is the withdrawal of the ISAF contingent from Afghanistan.

Victoria Panfilova in the article for the portal "Afghanistan.Ru" notes that amid controversy with the Afghan president, Washington announced the possibility of a “zero option” - that is, a complete withdrawal of troops from the country. This statement gave the experts a reason to talk about the inevitable collapse of the situation in Afghanistan and then destabilization of the situation in neighboring countries.

Leonid Gusev, senior researcher at the Center for East Asian and SCO Studies at MGIMO, says:

“By itself, the coming to power in Afghanistan of the Taliban does not pose a military threat to the countries of Central Asia or Russia. But what about those radical Islamic movements that are under their auspices? These include al-Qaida, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), and dozens of other extremist groups that are active in northern Afghanistan. "


The threat that the groups will turn weapon against the Central Asian countries, according to Comrade Gusev, exists. At the end of 1990-x - the beginning of 2000-x, the IMU already tried to blow up the region.

There is, however, another opinion: the penetration of militants into Central Asia through the Afghan-Uzbek border is ruled out. Extremists can only go through Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

In the north of Afghanistan, there are also Kyrgyz, Kazakh, and Uygur terrorist groups, and immigrants from the Russian North Caucasus and the Volga region are also seen there.

Leonid Gusev believes that the situation in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan is under control, but there are internal contradictions that can be exacerbated before the presidential elections: in Tajikistan they will be held in the fall, and in Uzbekistan at the end of 2014.

Kyrgyzstan is also “in the zone of turbulence.” The analyst believes that Atambayev is unlikely "to succeed in sitting in his chair until the end of the presidential term (2017)."

In his opinion, the situation in Central Asia depends primarily on the internal stability of the countries. And in recent years they have repeatedly faced threats of extremism. This is especially characteristic of the Fergana Valley, along which the borders of Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan pass. Members of extremist religious movements in these three countries are becoming not only ordinary residents, but also officials. In the north of Tajikistan recently detained members of the movement "Jihadism", many of whom were ... traffic police officers.

In Kyrgyzstan, banned religious organizations, for example, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, are almost openly operating, which is precisely the goal of creating a caliphate in the Fergana Valley. Activization of extremists is connected with the tense political situation in Kyrgyzstan. According to experts, the processes of destabilization are interested individuals, organizations and even countries.

And Kazakhstan is no exception, V. Panfilova notes. A rather difficult situation has developed in the south of the country, in areas densely populated by the Uzbek and Uighur minorities. Representatives of these peoples, the author believes, “are mostly more Islamist-minded than the Kazakhs, among them there are more often carriers of fundamentalist ideology”.

Thus, if it is still too early to talk about redrawing the map of Central Asia, then it is necessary to be vigilant, as Saifullo Safarov advises. At the end of 2014, the ISAF troops will be finally withdrawn from Afghanistan, and the presidential election should be held in Uzbekistan. Both "events" are likely to attract the attention of separatist extremists.

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  1. svp67
    svp67 1 August 2013 12: 14
    +5
    Redrawing the map of Central Asia: myth or reality?
    It’s already clear that this is real, which will require, for it to take place or not, a lot and a lot of blood ...
    1. INTER
      INTER 1 August 2013 12: 36
      16
      Quote: svp67
      It’s already clear that this is real, which will require, for it to take place or not, a lot and a lot of blood ...

      That's right, and the West will constantly rekindle and radicalize it! Thereby, 2 geopolitical tasks are solved: 1 ousting Russia and increasing drug trafficking, creating a Central Asian pressure front; 2 pressure on China along the Uyghur track. Create controlled chaos!
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 1 August 2013 18: 02
      +6
      The fact that after 2014 the situation will escalate is unequivocal. All sides are already preparing for this. The West is dumping from there, having achieved nothing. The Taliban will most likely methodically finish off Karzai and K. The only question is where the gaze of the radicals will turn after this ... Of course, militarily Central Asians are not opponents of the radicals. They can survive only with the help of strong powers. And they have their own interests in the region. And it is not a fact that the interests of Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan coincide. The West should not be discounted. They will rather act through Pakistan, which in turn has its own interests.
      1. albai
        albai 1 August 2013 19: 10
        12
        Quote: xetai9977
        Of course, militarily Central Asians are not opponents of the radicals
        Well, I would not be so categorical. During the events in Batken, "the south of Kyrgyzstan", there were rumors that 50 bandits put on the ears of 5000 soldiers. But the fact is that the troops stood up, roughly speaking, in a cordon in the foothills, in order to prevent the militants from entering the valleys. And they were chased by reconnaissance search groups specially sharpened for this case. Guys who can run uphill in full gear, with climbing equipment and have climbing skills, and who know every pebble on their territory, especially every summer, and before and after they only go down from the mountains with the first snow. And all these militants were put down by these guys. And the losses, as always, were in the troops like that: careless handling of weapons, crossbows, they slept on guard and they were completely cut out, well, as always. Because it is not always possible to abruptly switch from a peaceful man to a military one. And I agree, we will not stand for a long war.
        1. yak69
          yak69 1 August 2013 20: 08
          +9
          The destabilization and creation of the Ferghana Republic is possible if the West makes persistent efforts. And he will undertake them!
          The only question is WHAT ACTION WILL WE TAKE WE-Russia ?! If we also sit and wait for now condom... uh, excuse me, the presidents of the Central Asian republics will be scared and will come running to ask Russia for protection, then we will wait for these republics to fall under the protectorate of the West.
          The population of all the republics is dissatisfied with the policy of their government and it is quite simple to overthrow them and put those who will pursue a policy loyal to Russia. But for some reason, this is not done by our leaders. The question is purely rhetorical, because the answer to it is given to a thoughtful person.
          It is quite obvious that we can now miss the historic chance to return all of Central Asia to our unconditional control. And this chance is as high as never before! And the whole situation favors this.
          But, contrary to common sense, Putin announced the simplification of all procedures for obtaining Russian citizenship from Central Asian republics. The people hastily rushed to Russia (many of my friends from the locals tell me about this). The most qualified are leaving.
          Is this a disguised evacuation of the remaining Russian-speaking population, before the surrender of the region? Legalization on the territory of Russia of all kinds of "zaslanets" from among the indigenous inhabitants of the republics?
          Instead of a comprehensive expansion, a massive retreat! These steps are not like cowardice or concern for compatriots. These steps remind me of well-thought-out concessions to the West (regular and numerous) and the weakening of our influence in the region. And if you recall the opening of various NATO transshipment points in the very heart of Russia, under the pretext of the withdrawal of troops and equipment, a completely bad picture is created.
          The withdrawal of NATO troops and equipment where?
          In this situation, the creeping occupation is very real. First, let's calm down public opinion - this is all help to our "American partners", this is a humanitarian aid, we are paid for it, and so on. Then they will say: NATO will make a nice apartment here with us, they pay us, these are their own, they will not touch us, etc.
          The fact that they pay us (our power), I have no doubt for a moment! But what do we all do ?! Wait until we wake up in the occupied territory?
          Once again I declare in plain text: Our leaders pursue anti-people and anti-state policies !! Foreign policy is sluggish and compliant. Internal, aimed at the destruction of potential and full-scale degradation.
          The policy regarding the Central Asian republics is a vivid confirmation of this.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 3 August 2013 10: 04
            -2
            Quote: yak69
            Our leaders pursue anti-people and anti-state policies !! Foreign policy is sluggish and compliant. Internal, aimed at the destruction of potential and full-scale degradation.

            We respect our Soviet past, but now our country is Russia, and the flag is Russian for the citizens of Russia. Therefore, I would like to clarify the leaders of which of "your" states did you mean. USA, Britain, Japan, Israel?
  2. il grand casino
    il grand casino 1 August 2013 12: 15
    +7
    Well, here, as always. The Americans and the Britons stirred up this hive (well, they created something to save us in the 80s), now they will dump white and fluffy from there. And who cares, and so it is clear ..
    1. ariy_t
      ariy_t 1 August 2013 14: 15
      0
      Here, by the way, is information about the fate of the agitator of the hives .. [media = http: // http: //isrageo.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/000sexjih/]
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 1 August 2013 14: 34
      +2
      Quote: il Oleg Chuvakin ..
      Tajikistan is already ready to rely on Mother Russia, and at the same time on China - most likely, on the first one to respond.


      And if together? How then to divide Tajikistan? There are certainly successful examples in History, such as the partition of Poland on October 24, 1795, but Poland was mainly divided among there by relatives, and here China. Truly Communistically Incorruptible and Tough
      1. воронов
        воронов 2 August 2013 23: 08
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        partition of Poland 24 October 1795 year,

        Why did you bring Poland here? A fundamentally different region, a completely different mentality of the population, a different religion, have you actually been in Central Asia, served there in Turk.VO, KSAVO or across the river? Judging by your comment further on "Arbat VO", you did not stick your nose out laughing
  3. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 1 August 2013 12: 27
    +6
    Badakhshan is quite possible, even in Soviet times, the connection between the Afghan Badakhshans and the Soviet did not break. Religion is one, language is one.

    But the Ferghana Republic is nonsense.
    Over the past 20 years, there have been 2 major clashes between Uzbek and Kyrgyz Ferghana, not to mention the mining between the Tajik-Uzbek border due to the same conflicts. Another thing is Uzbek separatism in relation to our people and the Tajik people. After the events in Yiddjan, the Kyrgyz Republic accepted 1 million refugees, plus its 4 million. Unless the Kosovo scenario will be.
    1. avt
      avt 1 August 2013 12: 49
      +5
      Quote: KG_patriot_last
      Badakhshan is quite possible, even in Soviet times, the connection between the Afghan Badakhshans and the Soviet did not break. Religion is one, language is one.

      And one people artificially divided. Actually, the border of the Russian Empire was somewhere in the tunnel area, Pansher was part of the Empire. And by the way, there was such an idea - to join the Afghan Bodokhshan to the USSR during the Karzai era, he thus solved the problem of Masoud. And their religion, yes, their own - Ismailis.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 1 August 2013 18: 07
        +2
        There is no such religion as "Ismailis". It is an offshoot of the Shi'ism movement in Islam.
        1. avt
          avt 1 August 2013 22: 10
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          There is no such religion as "Ismailis". It is an offshoot of the Shi'ism movement in Islam.

          Well, if you like - extreme Shiites, even there are probably karmat. And the branch is such that it pulls almost independently.
  4. Naval
    Naval 1 August 2013 12: 31
    +4
    We again return to the issue of strengthening the border, toughening the migration regime, introducing visa entry. And this must be decided now, otherwise, as they say: "it's too late to drink Borjomi ...."
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 August 2013 12: 51
    +6
    Fight off if that .. the experience is there! The best option, of course, is political. Amerov and Israel need to be crushed. I am sure that immediately all the conflicts that exist now will abruptly decline.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 2 August 2013 07: 36
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Amerov and Israel need to be crushed.

      Would you be so kind as to explain how Israel is involved in the Central Asian mess? Or as always "if there is no water in the tap, they drank the water> | <ides"? Well, I can also understand that you do not like the American forces in Afghanistan, but Israel is your kind of obsession.
      1. vel77
        vel77 2 August 2013 08: 37
        +3
        Dear, obsession is to deploy the Tricolor over the capitol, although it is also possible if with the Jews in conjunction ....)))
  6. falcon
    falcon 1 August 2013 12: 52
    +4
    We must always be vigilant, regardless of Seifullo Safarov’s advice. For the enemy is cunning
    and insidious! While this extremist riffraff is very effectively milled by the Syrians,
    the leaders of the Central Asian republics have time to prepare. Let them take an example from Bashar al-Assad.
    Forewarned is forearmed!
    1. open
      open 1 August 2013 17: 40
      0
      For example, Karimov is also good
  7. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 13: 14
    +5
    Strengthen the borders unambiguously, send all and introduce a visa regime, let illegal immigrants earn 2 years of labor for a ticket, for the use of illegal labor for 5 years, create and prepare a group capable of helping 201 during the day, be physically and mentally prepared apply vx. am
  8. alone
    alone 1 August 2013 13: 15
    +6
    definitely! West leaves Russia face to face against fanatics in Central Asia. as soon as the amers are the bearded men of the Islamic movement of Turkestan to go to Central Asia to establish their own laws, the fact that the amers are not sure of the current leadership of Afghanistan in the struggle of the Taliban proves that even the Americans have already destroyed 7 thousand tons of their equipment in Afghanistan, so that all this did not fall into the hands of the Taliban and their allies. I wish you good luck in this difficult struggle.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 1 August 2013 13: 54
      +1
      Amers have their problems in bulk. It will be dumped, it seems, from Afghanistan. We will have to introduce fierce border control with the republics bordering Afghanistan.
  9. ed65b
    ed65b 1 August 2013 13: 39
    +9
    the meaning of this bullshit is one. Russians make money. Tajik heroes will now trample under the auspices of the fight against Islamism and the Taliban to beg for money. But in fact, they are completely merged with the drug trade from Afghanistan. The Uzbeks control the situation completely, and therefore do not carry such nonsense. The same is the Kazakhs. And ever-starving Tajiks are asking ... all in their country are looking for a way to get funds for their loved ones. This is one of them.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 1 August 2013 13: 57
      +3
      There will be political will - we will strengthen the border regime and introduce visa entry. So do not the Russians, but Tajik-Uzbeks, prepare the money.
      1. alone
        alone 1 August 2013 14: 20
        +3
        Uzbeks have a small border compared to Tajiks, but the army is not bad either.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 1 August 2013 18: 19
      +6
      According to statistics, the Uzbeks have a strong army. But this is according to statistics. How it will actually fight is unknown. On the other hand, it is reliably known that the Uzbek radicals are almost the backbone of Hizb-ul-Tahrir, and they have vast experience in fighting against NATO troops and, to put it mildly, have shown themselves well. So not everything is as rosy as it seems. The Kazakhs most likely have nothing to fear. The radicals will not go out into the operational space, where they have no chance against heavy weapons and aviation.
      1. alone
        alone 1 August 2013 20: 32
        0
        militants are not stupid, experienced people command them. which is easier? will leak to uzbekistan
        through a stormy river at gunpoints of heavy machine guns, or will it seep through the mountains of Tajikistan?
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 20: 44
        +5
        Uzbekistan for us is the same as Egypt in the east, 80 million hungry, Uzbeks are currently the most numerous, but not the most aggressive of them all, but they’re worthless warriors.
        1. alone
          alone 1 August 2013 21: 41
          +1
          I wouldn’t say that the Uzbeks are worthless warriors. In Afghanistan, the Uzbeks have held back the Taliban for years. The Taliban had to bribe General Dostum’s entourage to take the Mazar-i-Sharif.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 21: 43
            +4
            Afghan Uzbeks is a separate song, do not compare.
            1. alone
              alone 1 August 2013 21: 58
              0
              Do not underestimate these guys! They know who they are fighting against, and what will happen to their families if fanatics establish their laws. will be beaten to death, doubt it.
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 22: 04
                0
                I have no doubt, I wrote above that Uzbekistan is the strongest country in the region.
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 2 August 2013 02: 39
                  +5
                  Quote: tilovaykrisa
                  I have no doubt, I wrote above that Uzbekistan is the strongest country in the region.

                  Strong in what? Fighters, as you said, they are not very, and even more so in the economy.
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 2 August 2013 10: 24
            +8
            Afghan Uzbeks and Uzbeks of Uzbekistan are two big differences. The first are the descendants of nomadic conquerors. The second are the sedentary Turkic inhabitants, who adopted the name "Uzbek" only in Soviet times. There are very few real historical Uzbeks among them, mostly Sarts (sedentary Turks, and mostly Turkic Tajiks).
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 2 August 2013 14: 31
              -6
              Marek Rozny

              Thank God that Kazakhs do not live in northern Afghanistan ...

              And that would be a long time ago, all of us with giblets would be sold, and the Taliban would be sitting all over Central Asia. I think there would be a new Chokan Valikhanov, but instead of helping Russia conquer Turkestan, he would help the southerners do it. This is the fate of the Kazakhs ...
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 3 August 2013 12: 24
                +4
                Freak, when did the steppes sell or betray someone? You were not our brothers today, either in the 19th century or during the horde.
                Turk Sart is not a friend.
                And do not stick to the Uzbeks. And in Afghanistan it is Uzbeks, not Sarts.
                In Afghanistan, the Kazakhs fought well, and the "Uzbeks" from the Uzbek SSR and the Tajiks showed their unsuitability even at the very first stage of the Afghan campaign. Therefore, the Muslim battalion, initially formed from Uzbeks and Tajiks, had to be replaced by Kazakhs.
                However, nothing surprising - eldashi from Uzbeks and Tajiks and during the Second World War have earned the "glory" of crap warriors. In contrast to the steppe people - Kazakhs, Tatars, Kyrgyz, Buryats, Tuvans and others.
                The victories of medieval Uzbeks have nothing to do with modern Uzbeks. They were nomadic Türks, and you received this ethnonym in 1924, having repainted from Tajiks and Sarts to Türks.

                ZY Not a single sart is worth even Valikhanov's little finger. Valikhanov is a courageous officer, principled, intelligent, fearless intelligence officer, "nagyz Cossack" (a real Kazakh). In his incomplete 30 years, he has done as much as no Sart has dreamed of.
                The "Uzbeks" have other bright types - like Vali Kayumov.

                And "buy and sell" is your "Uzbek" nature, not Kazakh. You misled something in the heat of the moment.
                How much does it cost to defeat the army of Uzbekistan? It will cost $ 50 per soldier to keep him from firing. And you can also throw twenty so that he shoots at his own. In short, 70 bucks and an "Uzbek" soldier with giblets will be sold to any enemy. Although it is possible to disperse the entire Uzbek army from the battlefield for free, the genes of the descendants of the "defenders" of Khiva and Kokand have not changed.
                1. FRIGATE2
                  FRIGATE2 6 August 2013 23: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: Marek Rozny
                  In their incomplete 30 years

                  Dear, how can we contact you, I need to urgently ask you and maybe you can even help me
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 1 August 2013 19: 54
      +5
      Quote: ed65b
      the meaning of this bullshit is one. Russians make money.

      We’ll give money and write off loans and accept guests for work. Another policy of Russia in relation to the CA countries in the last 10 years has not been observed. At the same time, Central Asians with pleasure flirt with the West, then with the Turks.
  10. ariy_t
    ariy_t 1 August 2013 13: 59
    +4
    Nuuu if you consider that war is already a craft in Afghanistan, then of course there is an alarm ... Well, what about the expansion of the anthill, the British have been doing this for more than a century .. I remember the Basmach movement, nothing changes in the world .. No.
  11. fedorovith
    fedorovith 1 August 2013 14: 06
    +5
    This is where the problems are for migrant workers from Tajikistan, thoughts about their homeland from which they sent many, and then went to Russia to the markets and bazaars. So let them go to defend their independence, and not earn money for their Rakhman "and this and that."
  12. eplewke
    eplewke 1 August 2013 14: 22
    +5
    and what does not live quietly to these Moslam? On the basis of religion, they’ll always stir up some garbage ...
  13. Crook
    Crook 1 August 2013 14: 26
    +2
    Hope for the best but get ready for the worst.
    If such a threat arises, we will counter it jointly within the framework of the CSTO.
  14. alone
    alone 1 August 2013 14: 27
    +3
    will have to strengthen the group of Russian troops in Tajikistan. What do you think to defend 1300km with one division and with border guards? The enemy then owns the art of warfare in the mountains
    1. ariy_t
      ariy_t 1 August 2013 14: 30
      +2
      It takes a little more than a day ... yes So each vegetable has its own hour ...
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 1 August 2013 18: 08
      +1
      An extreme audit showed that Russia could throw 2 armies over 7000 km. The task of the border service is to signal an attack, not to fight. In case of attack on the outpost (s) there is a maneuvering cover group (the same division).
      1. alone
        alone 1 August 2013 22: 27
        +2
        Russia has thrown 2 armies to 7000km on its territory. Which is completely familiar. Who will guarantee that the minions of fanatics who probably have already settled in the republics of Central Asia will not arrange sabotage during the transfer? I’m promptly thinking about sending them now, so as not to be sad after unnecessary losses
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 22: 37
          +2
          We’ll cross over by planes, we’ll start building Ruslans for nothing, don’t worry about us, due to the current situation in Syria, we will no longer strive to minimize civilian casualties, and other nonsense, read what Kornukov said about 1 Chechen company if an order is given our small but thank God already flown aircraft on but modern aircraft will be able to give so many interesting toys to the bearded men from the air that little will not seem to anyone. Once again I will repeat there is not our country, there is no need to look back, there is no more NTV that the terrorists called field commanders, no one will give up 201, many would like that they were like 90 but that time was gone, MISHIKO should put candles that the helm was in that time Dima and not WWII.
          1. Denis
            Denis 2 August 2013 01: 37
            +2
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            there is no longer an NTV which the terrorists called field commanders, no one will give up 201, many would like to be like 90 but that time was gone
            This hydra can’t be so easily taken out. This whole ...
            Education is a sad example
          2. Aldar kose
            Aldar kose 2 August 2013 11: 53
            0
            Do not approve!
  15. knn54
    knn54 1 August 2013 14: 31
    0
    The Eurasian Union is the only alternative to “controlled” chaos.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 1 August 2013 18: 16
      +1
      What kind of organization is this "Eurasian Union"? Whose interests is it pursuing? Close the southern borders - and no problem. Strict visa regime. At the same time, we will solve the problem with illegal migration.
  16. avt
    avt 1 August 2013 14: 31
    +3
    Quote: lonely
    What do you think to defend 1300km with one division and with border guards? The enemy then owns the art of warfare in the mountains

    ???? What kind of border guards ??? They have not been there for a long time and base 201ya is not for border protection.
    1. alone
      alone 1 August 2013 20: 33
      +1
      the worse! the main blow will take on the 201st. alone.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 20: 45
        +1
        You will not wait, you will be invited to help us, and then we will close our eyes on the Karabakh.
        1. alone
          alone 1 August 2013 21: 44
          0
          Well, Tada, I went to clean my RPK)))
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 21: 45
            0
            It’s a controversial thing, but it looks solid, here are the shops from it.
  17. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 1 August 2013 14: 32
    +2
    there are trends in the unification of Tajik and Afghan Badakhshan, as well as the creation of the Ferghana Republic on the basis of the territories of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan

    These statements by Tajik experts are a touchstone for the reaction of public opinion. Unification with Badakhshan can be seen aMers have promised (here Tajikistan is only "FOR!" ... and in opposition to the split of the three republics for the formation of the Fergana Republic, they will ask for Moscow's help (well, here they are categorically "AGAINST!") And immediately ask for money. ..a lot of money (both from America ... and from us) to resolve these issues.
    If anything can lead to a split Cf. East and the formation of new states - this is only an Islamic factor. The idea of ​​the ISLAMIC KHALIPHATE about sea to sea (from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic) has not been forgotten, on the contrary ... after the Islamists came to power in North. Africa is starting to gain momentum again. In addition to these destabilizing factors, the "local" nationalism of various clans and teips adds a significant share of instability ...
  18. ed65b
    ed65b 1 August 2013 14: 45
    +7
    Tajiks use the border in their small-town interests. Namely, for the transit of heroin. Remember how Rakhmon rested when he was offered to take her under guard by the forces of the Russian Federation. He is a typical noriega for Tajikistan. And so the mythical office is absolutely dead. The whole burden will have to be borne by Russia. During 08.08.08, the CST betrayed the Russian Federation. Although it was obliged to send troops along with Russia.
    1. alone
      alone 1 August 2013 22: 01
      +3
      this noriega took power just with the help of Russia. Now it drives heroin into the vastness of Russia, fearing thousands of lives. apparently thanks you for helping him
      1. alone
        alone 1 August 2013 22: 30
        0
        ruining - litter for a mistake
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  20. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 1 August 2013 17: 00
    0
    You can only sympathize. All the same, amers are ruthless comrades.
  21. Alexanderlaskov
    Alexanderlaskov 1 August 2013 17: 18
    0
    In Central Asia, everything is divided between criminal clans. They are on the brink of civil war for a long time. After the collapse of the USSR, war was already underway.
    1. alone
      alone 1 August 2013 20: 35
      0
      pour half a liter into the asphalt? for this they need to roll them into the asphalt)))))))
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 20: 46
        +1
        This is war. To destroy.
    2. Denis
      Denis 2 August 2013 01: 42
      +1
      Quote: Alexanderlaskov
      They are on the brink of civil war for a long time
      Let me disagree about the line. It’s been going on for a long time, do you think there’s fighting with the opposition?
      The families there share power, all in one ...
  22. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 August 2013 17: 43
    0
    Again Basmachi will have to drive .. As in the good old days (a joke)
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 17: 54
      +4
      But you can get red revolutionary pants as a reward.
      1. alone
        alone 1 August 2013 20: 35
        +3
        red harem pants)))
    2. poquello
      poquello 2 August 2013 01: 47
      +2
      "The Azerbaijani authorities issued an unspoken order prohibiting the showing of the film" White Sun of the Desert "on local TV channels, local media reported, citing their sources.
      1. alone
        alone 2 August 2013 22: 13
        0
        ))) and what does this have to do with this topic?
        1. poquello
          poquello 4 August 2013 14: 35
          +1
          )) "Shoot"
  23. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 1 August 2013 17: 50
    +1
    Redrawing the map of Central Asia: myth or reality?
    It would be interesting to know the opinion of our General Staff. hi
    1. alone
      alone 1 August 2013 22: 42
      -1
      Do you know what the head of the General Staff said after the BBO exercises? Russia has enough forces in the Far East and Siberia. I’ll think either he didn’t know how much force China gathered near the Russian border, which I strongly doubt, or he rubbed his glasses! Do you think he will say the original?
  24. mirror
    mirror 1 August 2013 18: 04
    +2
    Even before perestroika, I read a strange article by Iona Andronov in Lit. Gazeta at that time that the Islamist underground was active in Central Asia, that it was expanding and growing, and that its goal was to tear Central Asia from the USSR. I even cut it out in order to check it over time, because even then this could not have occurred to me. That time has come, now it is time to redraw the map of Central Asia. And it was cut, apparently, stupidly.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 1 August 2013 18: 21
      0
      Islamists acted in the USSR. But to speculate that they say our Tajikistan (in the sense of Soviet and Russian) is not worth it. These are artificially attached republics.
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 2 August 2013 14: 28
        0
        do you think the country is within Moscow, and it’s not necessary, separate suburbs must be separated
  25. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 August 2013 18: 13
    +1
    Quote: Gomunkul
    Redrawing the map of Central Asia: myth or reality?
    It would be interesting to know the opinion of our General Staff. hi

    And it has long been known ... If they become impudent we will be wet.! Proven tactics .. (if they don’t understand well) I would not want such a scenario. But the persuasion, and even more so the convening of UN sessions .. etc. Many people know how this ends for Russia ..
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 1 August 2013 18: 23
      +2
      Nobody will let you "wet" you, even if they are impudent.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 3 August 2013 10: 37
        +1
        Quote: Andrey77
        Nobody will let you "wet" you, even if they are impudent.

        And who will ask? And who will hinder Russia?
  26. Kashchei
    Kashchei 1 August 2013 18: 22
    +1
    Again Basmachi will have to drive .. As in the good old days (NOT a joke) History repeats itself ... and constantly as a tragedy Surely because it was poorly taught at school
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 1 August 2013 18: 27
      -4
      You can create the Russian Islamic Republic. Then the basmachi will serve us.
  27. albai
    albai 1 August 2013 18: 47
    +3
    As such, the division and formation of new states on the territory of Central Asia cannot be, since each khans of the Central Asian republics are holding tightly to their seats. At least some, but there are organized armed forces in every republic, in varying degrees of combat capability, and they can crush small gangs of 100-150 hp. if they run up more, they will have to unite, throwing aside aplomb. And what is most important from these pi.yuli a lot of husks can fly off the elites of the republics, there will remain those who can really think and lead. And in these republics there are healthy forces for which MOTHERLAND is not an empty phrase. And Russia, realizing the whole situevina, will not stand aside. Will help with weapons and ammunition. And there will be no full-fledged felling, for a prolonged period, so he jumped and if he got it, he will leave, wiping himself off, he will not get going with fire and sword along the Fergana valley and beyond. Moreover, other militants from all regions can catch up for free, especially if the amers are still pumped up with grandmothers. So only unification will help to thwart the plans of the Psi Doss on "controlled chaos" and give them good people.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 1 August 2013 19: 31
      +1
      And that the main thing from these pi.yuley many husks can fly off from the elites of the republics, there will remain those who can really think and lead.
      --
      You are so naive as a pioneer in the USSR. The husk will fly off, but instead there will be even more husk. This is briefly. The current rulers really think and lead, they should not be considered fools or demented. Geopolitically, Russia does not need the former southern republics to hell. Economically - even more so. We will not let starve to death, but no more.

      So that only the association will help disrupt the plans of the p.
      -
      The union is good, only it does not carry specifics. Who will unite with whom and for what? For the sake of world peace?
      1. albai
        albai 1 August 2013 19: 59
        0
        Quote: Andrey77
        You are so naive as a pioneer in the USSR.
        Not so simple. The fact is that discredited leaders are thrown off at once, even all accumulated wealth, houses, etc., are burned. And they no longer live at home. No matter how smart they are.
        Quote: Andrey77
        Geopolitically, Russia does not need the former southern republics to hell.
        I agree, but for some reason, Russia is increasing its presence in Central Asia (at least in Kyrgyzstan), bases, airfields, enterprises: Dastan, Kirgaz, Kadamzhaysky antimony plant, Miley-Says electric lamp plant, Tashkumyr semiconductor materials plant, cascades HES, everything worked and is working just with the collapse of the lost sales and really did not find a new one.
        Quote: Andrey77
        The union is good, only it does not carry specifics.
        I meant the unification of the republics of Central Asia. And nothing more.
  28. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 August 2013 19: 09
    +3
    "To wet" is a figurative expression .. which includes many methods .. And "carpet bombing" is the penultimate step .. Gradually "the former" will stop raging and destroying (everything has almost been destroyed and sold) It's time to create and produce .. schools hospitals ... etc From you comes a stream of illiterate hungry slaughtered migrants .. When your elite is fattening .. We will not feed them and provide for a long time .. and do not hope .. And it will be the "elite" that will be killed .. your clans .. And the Anglo = Saxons you are will save .. Here are the things .. The Russian bear is patient for the time being (this is me figuratively ..)
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 1 August 2013 19: 42
      +1
      I don’t care about the elite. The problem of illegal migrants must be solved. How they do it, I don’t care. Though they will drive them into the moat and shoot them.
      1. bear
        bear 1 August 2013 20: 41
        0
        God forbid it begins to boil our elite is shedding from the country, and even more so. It will be as always, ordinary people will be alarmed.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 20: 47
          +1
          They will not be in time, and nobody needs them.
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 20: 02
      0
      Only 1 question, who will water their elite and what?
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 1 August 2013 20: 31
        +2
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        Only 1 question, who will water their elite and what?

        Well, let's say politically economically And let's start with Moscow .. !! it's no secret that "all the golden elite of Asia and the Caucasus are sitting there ... well, and other" former "ones .. and they do not live badly .. ?? or am I wrong .. I'm talking about relatively law-abiding guests ... If, according to the Law, Russia is literally flooded with criminal elements .. They do not work, they do not produce .. (buy = sell, etc.) ... So they are running from their truly "independent states without Russian hegemony" again so that they are so free in Russia sheltered ... ?? All the markets are crammed with your second-hand dealers!! You cannot buy normal meat or tomatoes .. Our thuds are not allowed .. No offense !! Just got enough of everything !! The Horde somehow piled on Russia .. !!
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 20: 43
          0
          This is all clear, the question is who will go to "wet" them and how? Walking to apartments?
        2. alone
          alone 1 August 2013 22: 50
          0
          How do you imagine watering the elite in Moscow? if people are law-abiding, then surely this whole elite is already with Russian passports. The elite is like no other. And this is a civil war with ethnic shades. So they don’t solve the problems. But that's all I got, I agree. For this we must already shake the government and the power structures of Russia. Why let so many people into the country if no one is interested in this? What prevents the government from establishing a strict visa regime? doesn’t it turn out that all this is done for the sake of those in power who stuffed their pockets with bribes? there are many questions, but there are no answers to regret.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 22: 53
            0
            If there is a desire in power then it is possible, I think you do not need to translate an example.
            Your government is hindered by isolation from the people; they live in one Russia and we in another.
            1. alone
              alone 1 August 2013 23: 24
              0
              Well, wet their citizens indiscriminately just for the fact that they are swarthy, it is unlikely that anyone will go, even if this is a popular government
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 23: 26
                +2
                Again, miss, in our history this has happened more than once. You know the memory at the genetic level, an insidious thing. The Russian revolt is senseless and merciless and the first enemy is always foreigners, here it’s a boil, all foreigners have always been amazed at the tolerance of the Russian person, but when it comes to the edge, then hold on. At the moment, people are already on the edge, do an independent survey of how Russians relate to the Dagestanis, for example, the media here have been very hot for people lately.
                1. alone
                  alone 1 August 2013 23: 37
                  +1
                  or maybe it is specially warmed up so that in the end it creates the threat of the settlement of Russia as a multinational state? Maybe this is a plan so that Russia exclusively deals only with its internal problems? who will give a 100% guarantee that these media are not coddling by foreign uncles Semam? My dear, it’s not so simple. I do not argue there are Dagestanis who really got it. but there are others. over the past 10-15 years, 32 Dagestanis received the title of hero of Russia, moreover, many posthumously, but what to do with these people?
                  1. tilovaykrisa
                    tilovaykrisa 2 August 2013 10: 20
                    0
                    I wrote you such a big detailed answer .... I read it and erased it.
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  29. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 August 2013 20: 04
    +2
    Quote: Andrey77
    I don’t care about the elite. The problem of illegal migrants must be solved. How they do it, I don’t care. Though they will drive them into the moat and shoot them.

    It’s familiar .. will you personally drive ?? In Russia, this will never happen .. fascism we remember in the genes was postponed ..
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 20: 35
      +1
      Not necessarily, for the promised citizenship and among them there are those who wish to do this.
  30. Kasym
    Kasym 1 August 2013 20: 51
    +7
    The Afghans, in principle, the peace-loving people, never attacked anyone, did not commit military interventions. Threats are represented by ethnic Uzbeks and Tajiks and their movements such as IDY, Hizb-yt-Tahrir, etc. . Their strength is that they have support among certain citizens of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. Yes, and if we talk about the piety of the peoples of Central Asia, then just the Uzbeks and Tajiks are the most religious peoples of Central Asia. Extremist religious organizations are unlikely to dare to intervene directly; ter is more likely. acts and various provocations.
    For the first time I hear about some Kyrgyz and Kazakh terrorists in Afghanistan. And also about the threat from ethnic Uzbeks and Yugirs - citizens of Kazakhstan. I already wrote about the activities of the Assembly of Peoples of Kazakhstan. If such scumbags appear, then in the first place these diasporas themselves will worry them - such a situation is not beneficial for them. Our Uzbeks and Yugurs in their historical Homeland are called Kazakhs. And, for example, our yygras are very different from the Chinese yygurs (see the article on Chinese yygyra in a seg. Article on V.O.).
    By the way, the head of the Korean diaspora Roman Kim gives an interview in today's issue of the fat woman of the newspaper "Liter" in the article "Kazakhstan is our Motherland". At the moment, he is a member of the Mazhilis of the Parliament of the Republic of Kazakhstan from the Assembly of the People of Kazakhstan (9 seats in parliament are assigned to the ANC, rotation every 2 years). If now you find an electronic version of this article, then post it.
    1. romb
      romb 1 August 2013 21: 22
      +4
      Hello. Absolutely right. For the first time I hear that the Uzbeks living in our south dreamed of separating this region from the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan. What can be said at all if they are extremely sensitive to even the usual rumors about the supposedly possible joining of certain territories to Uzbekistan, and speculation on the topic of joining a new Central Asian state, in general, is perceived openly by them with hostility.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 2 August 2013 07: 48
      +1
      Quote: Kasym
      Afghans, in principle, a peace-loving people

      The trouble is that there is no such people - the Afghans. There are Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, and who else is there. And the country is a hodgepodge. So Afghanistan is a purely geographical concept, and perhaps a political one, but not an ethnic one.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 2 August 2013 10: 44
        +5
        Quote: Nagan
        The trouble is that there is no such people - the Afghans. There are Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, and who else is there. And the country is a hodgepodge. So Afghanistan is a purely geographical concept, and perhaps a political one, but not an ethnic one.

        No no no! Despite the division into Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras and others, Afghans clearly identify themselves as Afghans. They are ardent patriots of Afghanistan. Although Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras may dislike or distrust each other, nevertheless, an Afghan foreigner will always be closer to them than a foreigner.
        Afghans are very proud of their country, love it and "explode" at any hint of disrespect for Afghanistan.
        Afghans are a common ethnonym for the peoples living in this country, and they will tear anyone who offers them to divide the country on a national basis.
    3. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 2 August 2013 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: Kasym
      For the first time I hear about some Kyrgyz and Kazakh terrorists in Afghanistan.

      In fact, unfortunately, a whole battalion of Kazakhs (from Kazakhstan) in the Taliban is fighting in Afghanistan. The figures were 200 people, but according to the KNB, about 100 Kazakhs are definitely there. The authorities even know their names.
      This is all that the Islamists have managed to recruit for the war in Afghanistan over the years. Several more Kazakhs appeared in Russia in Dagestan. Young boys 19-20 years old. Thank God, most of them turned on their heads when they ended up there and surrendered without resistance to Russian law enforcement agencies, not wanting to kill and die for it is not clear what. But the fact nevertheless remains a fact - the recruitment of Kazakhs for "jihad" is under way. And although this process cannot be called successful on the part of recruiters, nevertheless, the presence of even one ethnic Kazakh in the ranks of religious fanatics is already sad. Moreover, the concept of "Kazakh" and "religious war" are generally incompatible. But there will always be a few people who, in order to feel like a cool pepper, will agree to any war in any country in the world. The most important thing is that they do not go boragoose in Kazakhstan.
      With all Kazakhstanis who are seen in the wrong moves with foreign "Islamists", the KNB is conducting targeted work. The overall situation is under control. Especially after the terrorist attacks in KZ in the recent past.

      I agree with everything else that you wrote.
      1. alone
        alone 2 August 2013 22: 16
        0
        Do not forget that, in Afghanistan, in addition to the Afghans, there are Taliban with their ideas of the caliphate. They will go to great lengths to turn the region into hell! This is a serious opponent.
  31. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 August 2013 21: 00
    -1
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    Not necessarily, for the promised citizenship and among them there are those who wish to do this.

    We know all these hints .. The topic is closed .. The butchers are waiting for their time to come .. The worst thing is that there are so many thirsty for a RUNNED HOUSE .. you can kill, rape, rob .. unpunished ... And there are many such people in Russia who want to ... under the screams hoo from the west .. And for this, such scum must be planted to shoot .. The fifth column in Russia has always been and does not act badly .. I hope in the near future the "fifth columns" will appear among the Anglo-Saxons .. We are learning well from our mistakes .. Soon we will act by your methods .. no offense later ..)))
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 21: 05
      +2
      As if I did not understand ........
      1. alone
        alone 2 August 2013 22: 18
        +2
        in fact, instead of wetting all indiscriminately, soak those who walk with the swastika through the streets. even if our grandfathers perished in heaven become calmer
  32. Denis
    Denis 1 August 2013 22: 25
    +1
    trends in the unification of Tajik and Afghan Badakhshan, as well as the creation of the Ferghana Republic on the basis of the territories of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan
    Rave! Have they even tried to watch a map?
    And these wretched analysts
    from the Center for Strategic Studies under the President of Tajikistan
    it’s more suitable to carry bricks and knead concrete
    Although there are plenty of such nominators of very clever ideas
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 1 August 2013 22: 39
      0
      Tajik analysts, Tajik political scientists, only after that I fell under the table.
  33. sashka
    sashka 2 August 2013 01: 56
    +1
    Karimov while "rules" nothing will happen. The dictator, of course, but without it there is no way ...
  34. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 2 August 2013 10: 11
    +5
    I think the Taliban’s aggression against the countries of Central Asia is not the task that they pose to their army. For them, control over Afghanistan is already an impossible task: there are enemies around. Another thing is the pro-Islamic groups of citizens from the SA: these will worry how once the Basmachi did not let our border guards fall asleep.
  35. Siberian
    Siberian 2 August 2013 20: 09
    +1
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    Strengthening borders clearly send everyone and introduce a visa regime, let the illegals earn 2 years of labor for a ticket, for the use of illegal labor for 5 years, create and prepare a group that can come to the rescue 201 within XNUMX hours, be ready to physically and mentally apply VX. am

    It is said and written Absolutely good hi But, only some of those who must fulfill and supervise it (or monitor all this illegitimacy) should be themselves for 2 and 5 years. Then it will be as it should.
    1. alone
      alone 2 August 2013 23: 17
      +1
      on 2 and 5? no more?)))
  36. individual
    individual 2 August 2013 21: 29
    +1
    The USA in Afghanistan alarmed the hornet's knot of contradictions and leaving at the end of 2014, they leave big problems in the Central Asian region.
    Russia again remains one on one with the Basmachi of all stripes, as in the 20s of the last century.
    Western "White Sun of the Desert" will acquire a new sound.
    Russia needs a new Red Army Sukhov.
    1. Denis
      Denis 2 August 2013 23: 35
      0
      Quote: individ
      Russia needs a new Red Army Sukhov.
      Risky games, rather, you need a new Stolypin
      You need great shocks, we need Great Russia
      From the “Speech on the Organization of the Life of Peasants and on the Right of Ownership,” which was delivered (May 10, 1907) by the Chairman of the Council of Ministers under Emperor Nicholas II Peter Arkadyevich Stolypin (1862-1911) in the State Duma.
  37. alone
    alone 2 August 2013 22: 27
    0
    when the "white sun of the desert" was created, people of different nationalities and confessions worked on the film. These people did not even imagine that today they would be called "black", "red-haired", "narrow-eyed" ((sorry, very sorry.

    remembered the words of Stalin when he became aware that the Germans took Minsk
    "Lenin left us a great legacy, and we, his heirs, pissed away all this ...
  38. Siberian
    Siberian 3 August 2013 01: 33
    0
    Quote: lonely
    on 2 and 5? no more?)))

    2 and 5 to combine, and more can be added.
  39. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 3 August 2013 12: 15
    -1
    Quote: yak69
    Our leaders pursue anti-people and anti-state policies !! Foreign policy is sluggish and compliant. Internal, aimed at the destruction of potential and full-scale degradation.

    Yeah, that is, they do not build communism, to remind what the previous attempt cost the Russian People ??? millions died of hunger, industry was almost completely destroyed, which was then restored at the expense of slave labor and poverty of "Soviet people". shot by tens of thousands of doctors, teachers, engineers, the so-called "gold diggers"
    and the problems with our "compatriots in the union" are from the same union, with its "internationalism" due to the robbery and dismemberment of the Russian People
  40. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 4 August 2013 11: 04
    -1
    In the 19th century, Russia annexed the khanates of Central Asia, because small Britain was going to get into it. And now I am only concerned about the intervention of third forces led by the Naglosaks. And let the inhabitants of CA themselves live as they want. They have every right. The main thing is that no threats come to us from their land. How from the Baltic.
    1. alone
      alone 4 August 2013 11: 39
      +1
      Do you think they will be allowed to live as they want?
      1. Atash
        Atash 5 August 2013 20: 01
        0
        Exactly. If Russia is on the drum, we will not be able to prevent NATO from deploying its air defense here.
  41. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 4 August 2013 11: 27
    0


    These extremists, potassium salt on their heads. As the piston site says: “History is written by people. For example, by Ferdinand Porsche who established an engineering office in Stuttgart in the 1930s, laying the foundation for the company. ” So as long as they set trends, little will change.

    Compare the UAZ logo, see the glacial operations of the Waffen Tsetse with landing in the rear of the enemy, and the NATO base - so you think that Russia missed the hit of the Tsetsev’s and the United States is at war with the Nazis who stole Hollywood, so expect from a little Uzbekistan, although yet they did not invent the apostles, but algebra, so they also conjured something so that all the kamikaze would scatter across their islands. Eh old man Hottabych would be here (approx. Neptuy people with animals).

    And Uzbekistan is very beautiful, and people are very hospitable and sensible in trade, I know from my own experience.
  42. Atash
    Atash 5 August 2013 20: 09
    0
    Yes, the amers are not going to leave Afghanistan, they didn’t get in there, not for that they had already knocked over two Kyrgyz leaders for trying to remove from Manas. Not for this, they are breaking through Rakhmon at the expense of a new air base already in Tajikistan. He seems to have already traveled to Moscow to talk about this, so the US ambassador did not forget to consult with him before a business trip.