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Polish Air Force received the first upgraded MiG-29A fighter

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Polish Air Force received the first upgraded MiG-29A fighter

At the 23rd tactical base aviation The Polish Air Force (Minsk-Mazowiecki) on July 29 landed the first MiG-29A fighter with a modified avionics, Altair reports.


Delivery of the remaining upgraded 15 aircraft will be completed before the end of the 2014 year.

As TSAMTO had previously reported, the Armed Forces Inspectorate of the Ministry of National Defense of Poland signed a contract with the Aircraft Plant No. XXUMX (Wojskowe Zaklady Lotnicze 2) to carry out the 2 modernization of the 16 X fighter aircraft base in September 23. The agreement cost was 29 million zlotys (2011 million dollars).

As part of the agreement, the 13 single-seat MiG-29А fighters and three two-seater combat-fighting MiG-29UB will be upgraded.

The contract also provides for the supply of spare parts, aircraft maintenance, training of flight and technical staff. The goal of the upgrade is to extend the life of fighters, at least until 2028, to increase their combat capabilities and compatibility with the new F-16.

According to the requirements of the contract, the aircraft will be equipped with new avionics, including MDP on-board computers, MIL-Std-1553B data bus, INSB-29, AVB-29 and HDB-29 interfaces, a color multifunction display 127X102 mm, a navigation system with a module for protection from GPS interference signal SAASM (Selective Availability Anti-Spoofing Module).

As it is expected, the replacement of outdated analog equipment with modern systems will increase the reliability and reduce the weight of the aircraft, providing the possibility of increasing the bomb load and fuel reserves.

According to the Polish Air Force, the delivery of a second aircraft with modernized avionics is due to take place shortly. The overflight of the modified MiG-29 is scheduled for the fourth quarter of 2013.
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  1. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 30 July 2013 13: 06
    +5
    enhance their combat capabilities and compatibility with the new F-16.
    And what does "with new" mean?
    1. svp67
      svp67 30 July 2013 13: 27
      +4
      Quote: Black Colonel
      And what does "with new" mean?

      Read - recently acquired ...
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 30 July 2013 13: 42
        +7
        Quote: svp67
        Read - recently acquired ...


        Well, where did the rogue have a dazhenka for a new one, their sweet overseas dad for excelled language work in the region of half-pops to pshek, as the best performers of this action can only rubbish up for expensively.
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 30 July 2013 13: 46
          -3
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          Well, where did the rogue have a dazhenka for a new one, their sweet overseas dad for excelled language work in the region of half-pops to pshek, as the best performers of this action can only rubbish up for expensively.


          No need to confuse Poland with the Baltic states. Poles have one of the most advanced economies in the EU. wink
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 30 July 2013 14: 18
            12 th
            That is, we are arming our opponents? After all, Poland is very belligerent towards the Russian Federation.
            As they say nothing personal, just business fool
            1. Akim
              Akim 30 July 2013 14: 21
              11
              Quote: S_mirnov
              That is, we are arming our opponents?

              You have a USSR flag. In those days, they armed, and Poland, after 10 years, joined NATO
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 30 July 2013 18: 08
                +4
                "You have the flag of the USSR. At that time they were arming, and Poland joined NATO 10 years later." While the USSR was there, Poland did not even think of joining NATO! And Ukraine has not yet joined! The USSR is skillfully building its foreign policy!
                1. Akim
                  Akim 30 July 2013 20: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  Poland did not even think of joining any NATO! But Ukraine still has not entered!

                  Watch TV more often - we’ll suddenly enter. And then your zhurnalyugi are able to escalate information and make an elephant out of a fly.
                  1. S_mirnov
                    S_mirnov 30 July 2013 23: 31
                    +2
                    "Watch TV more often - suddenly we will join." - Your business. Then you look into the eyes of your grandfathers and parents.
                    "And then your zhurnalyugi know how to whip up information and make an elephant out of a fly." - I agree that our journalists are so unprofessional and corrupt that they can argue with the government.
                  2. dustycat
                    dustycat 3 August 2013 21: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    Watch TV more often - we’ll suddenly enter.

                    As part of Romania? lol
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 3 August 2013 21: 42
                      0
                      Quote: dustycat
                      As part of Romania?

                      Well, this is already in the dreams of Romanian science fiction writers. Never Odessa to be Romanian!
            2. Constantine
              Constantine 30 July 2013 14: 32
              11
              Quote: S_mirnov
              That is, we are arming our opponents? After all, Poland is very belligerent towards the Russian Federation.
              As they say nothing personal, just business


              And who said that we are arming them? These are planes left over from the time when Poland entered the Warsaw Pact. And they will upgrade them themselves. smile
              1. old man54
                old man54 30 July 2013 15: 40
                +5
                Quote: Constantine
                And they will upgrade them themselves. smile

                And who gave them permission to modernize? In fact, there are the rights of the developer, the MiG concern, I don’t think that he signs a permit for unauthorized modernization of his aircraft for everyone. It seemed to me strange that there was no word about the company, the place of odernization and even about the country!
                1. Constantine
                  Constantine 30 July 2013 19: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: old man54
                  And who gave them permission to modernize? In fact, there are the rights of the developer, the MiG concern, I don’t think that he signs a permit for unauthorized modernization of his aircraft for everyone. It seemed to me strange that there was no word about the company, the place of odernization and even about the country!


                  But this is another question. Perhaps they were given a license. You need to dig and understand. Hasty judgments are best avoided here. impressionable part of the audience smile
                2. sedoj
                  sedoj 30 July 2013 22: 30
                  +3
                  Quote: old man54
                  It seemed strange to me that there was no word about the company, the place of odnization, and even about the country!


                  Please read more closely:

                  As TSAMTO had previously reported, the Armed Forces Inspectorate of the Ministry of National Defense of Poland signed a contract with the Aircraft Plant No. XXUMX (Wojskowe Zaklady Lotnicze 2) to carry out the 2 modernization of the 16 X fighter aircraft base in September 23. The agreement cost was 29 million zlotys (2011 million dollars).

                  It says that the modernization is carried out by the Polish Aviation Plant No. 2.
                  1. old man54
                    old man54 31 July 2013 03: 36
                    0
                    Quote: sedoj
                    Please read more closely:

                    Thank you for pointing out, somehow I really did not give a mind to this paragraph! hi It is strange that the MiG concern is silent on this topic! Or maybe he is not silent, but we just do not know.
              2. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 30 July 2013 16: 35
                +5
                “Yes, and they modernize them themselves.” - if they themselves, then the question is removed. Figase, Poland can already modernize fighters itself, time does not stand still.
                1. Odysseus
                  Odysseus 30 July 2013 19: 25
                  +5
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  “Yes, and they modernize them themselves.” - if they themselves, then the question is removed. Figase, Poland can already modernize fighters itself, time does not stand still.

                  Capacity for the repair and construction of aircraft was still Socialist Poland. And modernization here is not too global.
                  With regard to the availability of aircraft, Migi-29 Poland collected from almost all East European countries of the Department of Internal Affairs, namely the GDR, Czechoslovakia, and its own Poland.
              3. Aryan
                Aryan 30 July 2013 16: 58
                0
                what are you cursing about here?
                it’s a shame that instantly in the service of NATO
                but not a single f16 in the service of the Russian Federation
                and abrams ... although he does not fly ... until he flies laughing
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 30 July 2013 18: 34
                  -2
                  Thanks for the support! I am here minus (usually no comment) as a threat to our pathetic "stability". So I don't pay much attention to the "wordless" minuses. As on pigeons - flew, shit, fly on! The earth is round ...
                  PS I note Ramanova - chopped with dignity, reasonedly!
                  1. queen
                    queen 30 July 2013 21: 46
                    -2
                    Quote: S_mirnov
                    as a threat to our pathetic "stability"

                    Yes, you can’t argue ... Litter Pu gathered a lot here)
                2. dustycat
                  dustycat 3 August 2013 21: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Aryan
                  . until it flies laughing

                  Flies and will fly ..
                  And to love - never (c) Anecdote.
            3. arnulla
              arnulla 30 July 2013 22: 46
              -4
              Quote: S_mirnov
              That is, we are arming our opponents? After all, Poland is very belligerent towards the Russian Federation.
              As they say nothing personal, just business fool

              Your motto is no day without delusional fasting?
            4. poquello
              poquello 31 July 2013 00: 31
              +1
              Quote: S_mirnov
              That is, we are arming our opponents? After all, Poland is very belligerent towards the Russian Federation.
              As they say nothing personal, just business fool


              That is, the Poles are raising the economy of their opponents.
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 30 July 2013 14: 19
            +3
            All the same, they can’t afford the new planes, but from 48 F-16s bought, it seems like a dumb sense.
            1. Akim
              Akim 30 July 2013 14: 26
              +3
              Quote: Avenger711
              and from 48 bought F-16 sense like dumb.

              This is not enough for such a country.
              1. Constantine
                Constantine 30 July 2013 14: 34
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                This is not enough for such a country.


                They have a simpler situation. Count the Luftwaffe at hand, and the US Air Force bases in Europe too. After all, Poland is more central than the same Baltic, for example smile
                1. piotr534
                  piotr534 30 July 2013 17: 05
                  +3
                  They have a simpler situation. Count the Luftwaffe at hand, and the US Air Force bases in Europe too. After all, Poland is more central than the same Baltic, for example
                  By the way, the Balts do not have a single aircraft at all; their airspace is guarded in turn by the air forces of other NATO countries. This is real poverty, and the Poles have enough money.
                  1. Constantine
                    Constantine 30 July 2013 19: 33
                    0
                    Quote: piotr534
                    By the way, the Balts do not have a single aircraft at all; their airspace is guarded in turn by the air forces of other NATO countries. This is real poverty, and the Poles have enough money.


                    So they also pay for their base in Šiauliai not badly and they let them hold on to the wing smile

                    Now the French are on duty there, and before that there were the Luftwaffe on the Phantoms. The Luftwaffe phantoms were written off, so maybe at least the Lithuanians will look at the Tornado smile
          3. ed65b
            ed65b 30 July 2013 14: 45
            +6
            Especially when you consider that half of Poland is in slavery abroad.
            1. Constantine
              Constantine 30 July 2013 19: 35
              +2
              Quote: ed65b
              Especially when you consider that half of Poland is in slavery abroad.


              And here I do not agree. The Poles who left to work have a completely different tactic on the ground. They even pretend to be slaves, but then they turn their masters into slaves. I happened to live and work for a year in Dublin. Seen enough of their pearls wink
          4. Sakhalininsk
            Sakhalininsk 31 July 2013 13: 25
            +1
            Quote: Constantine
            No need to confuse Poland with the Baltic states. Poles have one of the most advanced economies in the EU.


            Discover the secret of what is the forefront of the economy of Polyandia?
            In supplying cheap labor to leading economies such as Ireland?
        2. alone
          alone 3 August 2013 21: 23
          0
          it means that the Poles still appreciate the Mig-29, since it’s being modernized, and in some ways some simply write it off and turn it into scrap metal.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 3 August 2013 21: 35
            0
            The Americans rolled out an account for them to modernize their efoks more than their country's annual budget, so they stuck their pride in opera and modernize Mig.
          2. Akim
            Akim 3 August 2013 21: 46
            0
            Quote: lonely
            , but in some ways some simply write off and give up for scrap.

            They got most of them for nothing. Poles know how to count money. It would be foolish to write off, citing expensive operation.
      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled 30 July 2013 22: 21
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Read - recently acquired ...

        probably rather donated. request
  2. Edward72
    Edward72 30 July 2013 13: 07
    14
    It turns out that Russian planes are more reliable even after remodeling than phantoms
    1. Akim
      Akim 30 July 2013 13: 13
      +5
      Quote: Edward72
      than phantoms

      Well, you compared! "Phantom" is the same age as the MiG-21.
      1. Edward72
        Edward72 30 July 2013 13: 20
        0
        I mean F-15,16.
        1. Apologet.Ru
          Apologet.Ru 30 July 2013 13: 36
          +5
          hi
          It turns out that Russian planes are more reliable even after remodeling than phantoms

          Didn’t you know your colleague?
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 30 July 2013 13: 37
          0
          Quote: Edward72
          I mean F-15,16.

          So write it. And from what did you conclude that it is more reliable?
          1. Edward72
            Edward72 30 July 2013 13: 49
            +1
            I have two friends, one flyer, the second mechanic who serves his board and so I trust them
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 30 July 2013 15: 53
              +4
              Quote: Edward72
              I have two friends, one flyer, the second mechanic who serves his board and so I trust them

              And did they fly on F15-16, or do you have friends in the US Air Force?
              And how strange it is to have friends in the Air Force (by the way how old are you? The impression that you are a schoolboy), and you are asking here. request
              Quote: Edward72
              It turns out that Russian planes are more reliable even after remodeling than phantoms
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 30 July 2013 21: 55
            +4
            Quote: ATATA
            And from what did you conclude that it is more reliable?

            "Krasnaya Zvezda", after the unification of Germany, widely covered the fact of leaving the Luftwaffe in the service of the GDR's MiG-29. The conducted air battles with the pilots on the F-16 showed the full advantage of the MiGs. There was even a question about the advisability of developing Eurofighter.
            Well, the MiG’s modernization capabilities are evidenced by the fact that the MiG-35 was created. The glider underwent minor changes, installed new engines with a variable thrust vector, avionics and received aircraft with new performance characteristics and combat capabilities.
            Modernization is a way of maintaining BG for not very rich countries, such as the Republic of Poland.
  3. Akim
    Akim 30 July 2013 13: 10
    +8
    Here is the cockpit of this fighter with tail number 89.
    http://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=11042
  4. Evgeniy46
    Evgeniy46 30 July 2013 13: 15
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Here is the cockpit of this fighter with tail number 89.
    http://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=11042

    That is, the display and the HUD have changed externally?
    By the way, have new missiles been added to the armament?
    1. Akim
      Akim 30 July 2013 13: 28
      +4
      Quote: Eugene46
      By the way, have new missiles been added to the armament?

      No.
      Avionics changes include: installation of a MIL-Std-1553B data processing computing device, INSB-29 AVB-29 and HDB-29 interfaces for a color multifunction display with dimensions of 127 x 102 mm, an MDP operations computer, an EGI navigation laser platform (INS and GPS with built-in SAASM module) display UFCP, digital video recorder, and computer aerodynamic corrections with a TOT transmitter.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 30 July 2013 13: 16
    +7
    Poles modernize our aircraft, unlike the Baltic states, they simply got rid without thinking and did not buy a new one.
    1. AVV
      AVV 30 July 2013 13: 38
      -3
      But the Poles have pi rights to carry out modernization? MIG, you have to file a lawsuit, with a black sheep even a wool tuft !!!
      1. Akim
        Akim 30 July 2013 14: 13
        +6
        Quote: AVV
        Do the Poles have pi rights to carry out modernization?

        A change in avionics - why not? Moreover, this is for the domestic consumer. Just after that, Russia, as the assignee of the country of manufacture, is no longer liable.
        1. Nu daaaa ...
          Nu daaaa ... 30 July 2013 16: 04
          -3
          Eti samolety uže davno peredelali, v te vremena, kogda oni v sostave Luftwaffe leteli. Nemtsy za odnu evro ih poljakam prodavali i sami F-4 dalše ispolzovali.
          1. anger
            anger 30 July 2013 22: 16
            +3
            In Germany, they showed an interruption with a pilot who had been flying MIG 29 for several years. He was delighted with him and was upset that they decided to sell these planes to Poland. By the way, in the Luftwaffe advertising poster there were MIGs and even Tu 134 for a long time
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 30 July 2013 14: 22
        +2
        They have it, they bought what they want, then they do it, if this is not directly agreed upon by the terms of sale. Our support has not been provided to them for a long time. Nobody forbids you to remake your Ford Focus not for the first freshness.
        1. Zopuhhh
          Zopuhhh 30 July 2013 18: 08
          +1
          About how the Ford Focus turns out to be a weapon, can you tell me which button to press to start the rocket?
          1. Akim
            Akim 30 July 2013 20: 10
            0
            Quote: Zopuhhh
            About how the Ford Focus turns out to be a weapon, can you tell me which button to press

            To gas and directly to the crowded bus stop. Br-rr
        2. AVV
          AVV 30 July 2013 22: 18
          +1
          Changing the design of the aircraft, software, installing counterfeit spare parts is a violation of copyrights, therefore our Poles and Kalash copy the same, this is the second Chinese! Tear off, do everything in a row !!! Try it on Boeing or Airbus, make your changes in hardware, software, or install your spare part, what will come of it ??? And now minus if I'm wrong !!!
    2. Evgeniy46
      Evgeniy46 30 July 2013 17: 15
      +1
      Poles also seized the hands of the MiG-29, withdrawn from the Luftwaffe
  6. El13
    El13 30 July 2013 13: 17
    +2
    The news biconvex feeling causes ...
  7. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 13: 18
    -1
    And who will fly? LGBT people?
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 30 July 2013 13: 38
      +3
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      And who will fly? LGBT people?


      It may seem strange. But some experts suggest that some categories of LGBT people can be tougher, cruel and aggressive in the fight against representatives of traditional values, due to their anti-human nature, different psyche and desire to punish the "old" world. Of course, it's not about the Borya Moiseyevs, but about "people" with sadistic sexual and moral inclinations.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 13: 59
        +4
        Well, then it's time to reintroduce the article for sodomy, because judging by your comment, they are "potentially" dangerous, like psychos only in a state of remission.
        1. Nevsky
          Nevsky 30 July 2013 14: 10
          +7
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          Well, then it's time to reintroduce the article for sodomy, because judging by your comment, they are "potentially" dangerous, like psychos only in a state of remission.


          That's it. Until 1992, the WHO medical directory classified them as psychopaths, and today they can already be pilots of the Polish Air Force bully
      2. The comment was deleted.
  8. Edward72
    Edward72 30 July 2013 13: 29
    +3
    Quote: APASUS
    Poles modernize our aircraft, unlike the Baltic states, they simply got rid without thinking and did not buy a new one.


    So they got rid of 1 motorcycle, 2 scooters and 4 bicycles to the rescue, and that's enough. Remember their parade at the end of winter or at the beginning of spring was on topvar
  9. DmitriRazumov
    DmitriRazumov 30 July 2013 13: 34
    +4
    It looks like the "psheks" ate their fill with 48 F-16s, bought from the staff a few years ago. There has already been an article that the "new" Polish F-16s turned out to be much less reliable and difficult to operate than MIGs. In addition, the contract with overseas patrons pulled from the Polish treasury, as usual in these cases, much more funds than was originally envisaged. Now they will have to sit on 2 chairs (MIG and F-16), which is not very uplifting for such a frail economy as the Polish one ...
    1. Edward72
      Edward72 30 July 2013 13: 36
      0
      They’ll sell all the potatoes with cabbage, enough for a couple of new twigs
      1. sq
        sq 30 July 2013 15: 25
        0
        And who will sell them?
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 30 July 2013 19: 52
          0
          Quote: kvm
          And who will sell them?


          But did Moldova have no more?
    2. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 30 July 2013 14: 58
      +2
      Quote: DmitriRazumov
      It looks like the "psheks" ate their fill with 48 F-16s, bought from the staff a few years ago.


      Psheks howled almost immediately. First, for trifling repairs, mattress covers demanded a tidy sum from them, and then they also billed for retraining pilots.
  10. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 30 July 2013 13: 48
    +7
    Psheki "democratised" the big acupant MIG 29, now it will fly for another 14 (!!!!!) years.
    Damned Mordor and rusty tanks.

    LOL
  11. Nevsky
    Nevsky 30 July 2013 13: 51
    +3
    Let them buy more from Hungary, they kind of sell MIG-29. Then Poland can be blamed for the love of totalitarian toys and the legacy of a totalitarian past !!! am
  12. eplewke
    eplewke 30 July 2013 13: 51
    -2
    I would say twofold news. Only our concern Migulaya and the military-industrial complex as a whole are good. I wonder if our missiles will be put or NATO? The downside is that right now our modernized radars will be actively studied for their active counteraction. In general, you need to think twice before selling equipment to a potential enemy ...
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 30 July 2013 15: 02
      0
      And you read the news. All questions will disappear.
    2. Akim
      Akim 30 July 2013 15: 18
      -1
      Quote: eplewke
      I wonder if our missiles will be put or NATO?

      And no difference. She asks for the friend or foe callsign anyway.
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus 30 July 2013 19: 28
      +3
      Quote: eplewke
      I would say twofold news. Only our concern Migulaya and the military-industrial complex as a whole are good. I wonder if our missiles will be put or NATO? The downside is that right now our modernized radars will be actively studied for their active counteraction. In general, you need to think twice before selling equipment to a potential enemy ...

      You do not understand. This modernization has nothing to do with us at all.
  13. Nevsky
    Nevsky 30 July 2013 14: 08
    +3
    Now Poland will become a superpower from the sea to .... the Western Bug River))))
  14. rugor
    rugor 30 July 2013 14: 19
    +5
    Now Poland will become a superpower from the sea to .... the Western Bug River))))


    Chicken is not a bird, Poland is not a foreign country. laughing
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 30 July 2013 17: 03
      +3
      Quote: rugor
      Chicken is not a bird, Poland is not a foreign country.

      Now that the Psheks have supported European gay aspirations, it is better to go abroad, the ass will be more whole.
  15. Taurus
    Taurus 30 July 2013 21: 10
    0
    What is the difference 2 they have an airplane or three? Are they new or old? Well, suppose that they swelled the loot and bought as many as 5 pieces .... Then what? And what are they going to do with them? Wipe and photograph with a cloth? Apparently so. Or do they really hope they scare Russia? Bl, they’re doing bullshit. They used to make good shoes. Good leather shoes. Light, beautiful, comfortable foot. Lost forgot how. Do you not notice the trend? Countries that used to be able to produce something of high quality and usefulness ... after joining the EU or NATO completely lose this quality, as if they hit their head with shafts. But they have a brilliant plane and you can play with it. Went crazy.
  16. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 30 July 2013 22: 01
    +1
    I have already cited this article, I will repeat it again, for all fans of Polish F-16s and the slogan "Polska has not died yet." I apologize for such extensive copy-paste:
    "In 2003, Poland purchased 48 fighters. Their cost is $ 3,6 billion. The total amount of the transaction, including pilot training and investments in the development of the necessary infrastructure, is about $ 6 billion."
    One of the conditions for the acquisition of American fighters was the consent of the United States to invest in the Polish economy an amount equal to the cost of aircraft.
    But despite the statements of representatives of the Polish government that the country receives the latest aircraft, problems with them immediately began. The first two fighters could not, as planned, fly nonstop from the United States to Poland. Due to engine problems, they had to land in Iceland.
    Faults were later. Fighters were forced to emergency land several times at a military airfield in the vicinity of Warsaw. According to the representative of the Polish Air Force Weslaw Grzegorzewski, in 2007 alone, 1700 accidents happened to American fighters. A spokesman for the Air Force says they were not serious. However, according to the publication Polska, many serious damage is recorded. They mainly relate to engines, navigation equipment, combat systems and rescue systems. At the same time, in Poland these problems are explained by the novelty of the aircraft provided by the USA.
    According to Piotr Laskowski, an expert at the Military Poland survey, it is not surprising that equipment of this kind often breaks down. This, in his opinion, is typical for all modern equipment that depends on electronics.
    Due to the increased accident rate of the F-16, the Polish Air Force leadership restricts their flights or allows them to be carried out if the problems are not very serious. Under these conditions, Polish pilots have to fly even without weapons on board, which causes criticism from the pilots themselves.
    The main reason for the restrictions on F-16 flights is the high cost of their repair. To date, the Polish Ministry of Defense has already spent, according to Polish media, about 120-170 million dollars for spare parts for fighters.
    The Polish military, apparently, did not expect that the operation of American aircraft would be so costly. Although independent experts on the eve of concluding an agreement with the United States warned about the capriciousness of American cars.
    As for the promised investments, as representatives of the United States say, about $ XNUMX billion has already arrived in the framework of the agreements on the supply of fighter jets to the Polish economy.
    According to Obywatel observers, most of this money went to purchase a number of aviation enterprises in Poland that were put up for privatization by the state.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 30 July 2013 22: 09
      0
      I will continue
      After buying them by American companies, according to the publication, they gradually lose their ability to independently produce aircraft. The manufacturing process is often limited to screwdriver assembly.
      Also, the difficulty lies in the fact that new planes from the United States arrive in Poland faster than pilots trained in Poland who can lift them into the air. According to the Ministry of National Defense, the Polish Air Force will need at least 48 pilots and 16 technicians to pilot and service 72 F-1348 planes. To date, the Polish Air Force has managed to train only 20 pilots. Another 29 Polish pilots are trained in the United States, but only 12 of them are learning to fly the F-16. The rest are preparing for this while attending English courses.
      According to the original plans, in 2011 all 72 F-16 pilots should serve in the Polish Air Force. However, it is now becoming clear that this group of pilots will be fully staffed only at the end of 2012, and thus, for almost a year, some of the combat vehicles purchased from the United States will simply stand on the ground, since there will be no one to lift them into the air. "
      http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/airforce/159-f-16poland.html#.UeGL19
      So, the Poles bought used fighters, but there is no money for spare parts, and pilots fly them. So the Poles had to hide their noble pride in the dupa and repair the totalitarian MiG-29, which remained a legacy from the "damned communist past and Russian occupation." And then there will be nothing to cover the airspace of "Rzhech Pospolita".
      1. Akim
        Akim 30 July 2013 22: 27
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        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        and to repair the totalitarian MiG-29, a legacy from the "damned communist past and Russian occupation."

        Greetings. At the expense of MiGs - this is not a legacy, or rather only half of them. The second 41 tactical squadrons near Malbork are the German GDRs 29th (1 euro per unit) donated by Germany. Previously, MiG-21s made in Czechoslovakia were based there. And F-16s are based in 10 and 30 tactical squadrons.
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 30 July 2013 23: 27
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          Big buoys pan Akim. Yak on your right, health tie? We are here a little bit with your colleague Kars on a branch about the disposal of T-64 encroached, well, nothing, truth is born in disputes. Polish MiG-29 is a special song. In 1989-1990, the USSR supplied 12 airplanes to the Psheks (9 fighters and 3 combat trainers). In 1995, the Czech Republic 9 fighter jets transferred to Poland in exchange for helicopters W-3 Sokół. In 2003-2004, the Germans handed over to the Poles 22 MiG-29s, which they inherited from the NNA of the German Democratic Republic and went through modernization in Russia in the 90s. That is, in the end, 43 fighters, now the Poles have 32 of them
          1. Pułk Lotnictwa Myśliwskiego based at Mińsk Mazowiecki operated MiG-29 (9.12A) and MiG-29UB (9.51) between 1989 and 2000. Unit was reorganized to 1. ELT.
          1.eskadra lotnictwa taktycznego based at Mińsk Mazowiecki operates MiG-29 (9.12A) and MiG-29UB (9.51) from 2001.
          41. eskadra lotnictwa taktycznego based at Malbork operates MiG-29 (9.12A) and MiG-29UB (9.51) from 2005.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators
          .
          Where did the rest go 9. "Cannibalization". Yours faithfully! hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 31 July 2013 00: 41
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            Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
            Doravenka Bula Pan Akim.

            I perfectly speak my native language, as well as the state language and two others.
            Now, what about the MiGs. I rummaged in their press. At the beginning there were 12 (9 + 3) as already mentioned. In 95 from the Czech Republic, 10 MiG-29s (9 + 1) were received. In the 97th, three were transferred for temporary use to Israel. Only 14 flying aircraft were bought from Germany, the rest with accessories. May 5, 2011 the aircraft with tail number 77, made an emergency landing and was decommissioned. Here and count. One is not enough, but you can monitor.
            http://spoleczenstwo.newsweek.pl/koniec-fikcji--polskie-mig-i-29-beda-bardziej-b

            ojowe-, 81437,1,1.html
            1. smiths xnumx
              smiths xnumx 31 July 2013 15: 18
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              Thank you very much Akim, do not be offended, he is half Ukrainian by mother, mother in 1998 brought her grandmother from Ukraine, I try to indulge with her, but not always as you noticed. Yours faithfully! hi
              1. Akim
                Akim 31 July 2013 16: 51
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                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                Thank you very much Akim, do not be offended, he is half Ukrainian by mother

                And the thought was not offended. And in general, I am not Ukrainian - by nationality, I am a citizen of Ukraine, but after the USSR it is my small homeland. I was born in Ukraine in the Ukrainian SSR.
                1. smiths xnumx
                  smiths xnumx 31 July 2013 17: 00
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                  Well, so that our gentlemen do not swear and our "slaves" do not crack their forelocks. For Ukraine and Russia. drinks
      2. zennon
        zennon 31 July 2013 20: 39
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        So, the Poles bought used fighters, but there is no money for spare parts, and the pilots fly them.

        Not everything is so gloomy for pshek! From your post, I realized that
        One of the conditions for the acquisition of American fighters was the consent of the United States to invest in the Polish economy an amount equal to the cost of aircraft.

        No bad compensation to the contract!
  17. individual
    individual 31 July 2013 07: 14
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    The supply of MIGs for Poland is nothing new, only the expansion of Russia's business.
  18. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 31 July 2013 08: 24
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    Spotted Gorbi, during the withdrawal of Soviet troops, was obliged to remove or destroy all military equipment transferred to the ATS from the USSR, even if NATO armed them.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 26 September 2013 18: 42
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      Quote: Corsair5912
      Spotted Gorbi, during the withdrawal of Soviet troops, was obliged to remove or destroy all military equipment transferred to the ATS from the USSR, even if NATO armed them.

      Yes, this continued under the drinking president.
  19. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 31 July 2013 08: 30
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    Dear! Yes, after the decision to deploy our air base on the territory of the Republic of Belarus is just a rustle of nuts. And who seriously takes the capabilities of the Polish Air Force. Well, no matter what the child was amusing, if only .....! And in general there are more relevant topics!
  20. Martar
    Martar 31 July 2013 10: 15
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    And who is upgrading the MiG29 for Poland?
    1. Akim
      Akim 31 July 2013 10: 30
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      Quote: Martar
      And who is upgrading the MiG29 for Poland?

      The Poles themselves.
  21. eplewke
    eplewke 31 July 2013 10: 33
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    Quote: Odyssey
    relationship.

    then yes. A little stupid. I misunderstood the article. I apologize in public. repeat
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