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An alternative to Armenia’s entry into the Eurasian Union is war

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An alternative to Armenia’s entry into the Eurasian Union is warThe Istanbul Annual Twenty-Second Session of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly ended. The Istanbul Declaration and Resolution on topical issues of security and co-operation in the OSCE region have been adopted. Reading into these documents, you do not leave the feeling of some kind of uncertainty, a twofold perception of the world around us. After all, quite recently, 18 June this year. G8 leaders (the G-8) in the UK have adopted an unprecedented Lough Erne Communique. It differs from all previous depth analysis of global problems of our time, imbued with a sense of the highest responsibility of the leaders of G-8 for the fate of the world. It contains a comprehensive reflection of the global economy, international politics and security.


It seemed that the Istanbul session of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly, held under the “Helsinki plus 40” motto, was to analyze in detail the tasks of the OSCE member states and in the spirit of the Final Act of the Helsinki Agreement on Security and Co-operation in Europe to come up with concrete solutions to global problems of concern OSCE area. An - no. My worst fears expressed in the article “Artashes Geghamyan: The False Agenda of the OSCE PA and the Ignored Communion of Leaders of G-8” published by 26.06.2013 of the REGNUM news Agency, alas, were fully justified. Moreover, throughout the session, it was necessary to fix several times that the spirit and content of the draft resolutions submitted for discussion were contrary not only to the conclusions and recommendations of the Lough Erne Communiqué, but also to the key provisions of the Helsinki Final Act.

It is deeply disturbing that such ignoring of the above documents was not due to the political illiteracy of the heads of the individual committees of the OSCE PA, but because of their bias. Not to be unfounded, I will give a few specific examples. Thus, when discussing the issue of developing peaceful and viable solutions to unresolved conflicts, for some reason only the need to respect the principle of sovereignty and territorial integrity was emphasized (the question of Georgia).

In my statement, I had to remind delegates that the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Co-operation in Europe explicitly stated its determination to respect and apply to each of the participating States, regardless of their political, economic and social systems, as well as their size, geographical position and level of economic development, ten principles, which are all of paramount importance and which they will be guided in mutual relations. So, the majority of OSCE PA delegates, blatantly violating the provision that all 10 principles of the Final Act are of paramount importance, for some reason focused on three principles: sovereignty, territorial integrity and inviolability of internationally recognized borders of the participating States. Apparently, such fundamental principles as "non-use of force or threat of force", or "peaceful settlement of disputes", or "non-interference in internal affairs", or "equality of rights and the right of peoples to decide their own fate", etc. were not so relevant for the head of the General Committee on Political Affairs and Security (hereinafter the First Committee) Ms. Lindestam. And this is despite the fact that the Istanbul Declaration is entitled "Helsinki plus 40".

The resolution “The Humanitarian Crisis in Syria”, presented by the head of the Turkish delegation to the OSCE PA, Emmin Onen, also brought sad thoughts. In fact, if the submitted resolution were adopted, the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly would nullify, canceling out the approaches of the G-8 leaders set out in the Lough-Ern Communique, which gave a clear assessment of the events in Syria.

Recall that in paragraph 7 of the communique it is written: "We strongly support the proposal to convene a conference in order to reach a political solution to the dramatic conflict in Syria through the full implementation of the 2012 Geneva communique of the year. We strongly condemn any use of chemical weapons and any human rights violations in Syria. We are ready to take a leading role in matters of international support for ensuring the security of Syria, its transition to democracy, and to work energetically in the interests of a lasting peace in the Middle East. "

This deeply balanced OSCE PA document in the draft resolution put forward unilateral accusations against the president and the armed forces of Syria. It might have seemed that in the ranks of the armed opposition only angels who are fighting against demons. And the fact that government terrorists are also opposed by excellent terrorists and cannibals is not counted for parliamentarians in a number of countries. Only the tough, principled, but at the same time constructive position of the head of the Russian delegation to the OSCE PA, Nikolai Kovalev, as well as the tough performance of your humble servant Artashes Geghamyan, had their effect.

British parliamentarian Lord Alf Dubs made compromise proposals with which the author of the draft resolution, the head of the Turkish delegation to the OSCE PA, Emin Onen, basically agreed. At the same time, the remarks by the head of the Russian delegation, Nikolai Kovalev, played a decisive role in the final wording of the draft resolution on Syria, from which unilateral assessments were made to the Syrian government forces. I would like to note that during the discussion of the issue “The Humanitarian Crisis in Syria”, I was not disappointed. It was due to the realization of the indisputable fact that in the Istanbul Congress Hall I once again witnessed not a desire for equal and mutually beneficial cooperation in such an authoritative organization as the OSCE PA, but was personally convinced of the continuous use of double standards. Thus, the head of the Turkish delegation in his speech manipulated the slogans about the need to respect human rights in Syria, sticking out the exclusive role of Turkey in saving Syrian refugees, told sentimental stories about providing them with food and shelter. But at the same time, he completely bypassed the fact that the opposition’s weapons, to a large extent falling into the hands of terrorist groups, enter Syria through Turkey. In my speech on this issue, I had to inform the delegates of the OSCE PA that over 10 thousand Armenians from Syria had found their salvation in Armenia at the present time. According to the order of the President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan, the issues of their arrangement are being resolved, conditions are created for the children of Syrian Armenian refugees to continue their studies. And all this is being done at the expense of the state budget of Armenia, which, alas, due to the fact that the Republic of Armenia has been under blockade by Turkey and Azerbaijan for more than 20 years, is not so great. It was also necessary to note that this work is carried out without unnecessary advertising and protrusion of the huge expenses produced, that is, in the spirit of the Christian commandment, the virtue spoken about aloud ceases to be.

The fact that the OSCE PA, one of the main functions of which is to develop democratic institutions and monitor elections in OSCE member states, directly at the meeting of the First Committee with the direct participation and conduction of its chairman (fortunately the now former ), the deputy of the Swedish Riksdag Asa Lindestam revealed to the honest world a classic example of complete disregard for elementary democratic norms in the election of the leadership of the OSCE PA First Committee, if not to say about the feeling uncovering the obvious engagement of her actions. Thus, two candidates were proposed for election to the vacant position as vice-chairman of this committee - member of the Azerbaijani delegation Azay Guliyev and representative of the Russian delegation Vladimir Kulakov. So, in violation of the Rules of Procedure of the OSCE PA, the chairperson of this meeting, Asa Lindestam, rudely interrupted my speech, in which I urged my colleagues to refrain not only from voting on the candidature of the Azerbaijani parliamentarian, but to completely remove this candidature from consideration for the post of Vice-Chairman of the First Committee, referring to the fact that the said parliamentarian was the most active PR man in charge of Ramil Safarov, the murderer, who in 2005 was sentenced to life by a Hungarian court to life imprisonment for the brutal murder of an Armenian officer in the armed forces Gurgen Margaryan, with whom he was trained under the NATO Partnership for Peace program in Budapest. 31 August 2012, he was transferred to Azerbaijan for further punishment, however, on the same day he was pardoned by the decree of Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, while receiving an apartment as a gift and was promoted to the rank of major officer for eight years held in custody. Further, a cynical and vile campaign to glorify the killer began in Azerbaijan. It should be noted that Azai Guliyev was one of the most zealous participants in this heinous farce. What was the reason for such a zealous, rabid screening of the killer’s propagandist by the Swedish deputy? Maybe Ms. Lindestam was in the dark about these facts? Far from it. Already during the recess, when I presented photos and video footage of the iPad, indicating, to put it mildly, unworthy behavior of the Azerbaijani deputy, to my bewilderment, Mrs. Riksdag’s deputy calmly replied that she was aware of this. Involuntarily, the well-known saying of 32 US President Franklin Delano Roosevelt about the Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Samos Sr. came: “This is a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch.” Azay Guliyev found himself in this unseemly role perhaps because he put forward his candidacy against Vladimir Nikolayevich Kulakov, a representative of the Russian delegation - a party, military and state leader who, through his life experience, directly participated in peacekeeping operations in the most dangerous hot spots of the planet, I am objectively in demand for being elected deputy chairman of the OSCE PA First Committee, and in this position, I am sure, would increase the political weight of this committee.

Here two circumstances are alarming. The first is the striking desire at all costs to prevent representatives of the Russian delegation from going to the leadership of the OSCE PA, while the representatives of individual delegations do not stop at any unworthy means, even to a frank violation of the OSCE PA Rules of Procedure. The second observation boils down to what seems to be a good tone for the OSCE PA to take actions that discredit the statements of the leaders of the United States, Russia, the EU, and reputable international organizations. Thus, the US administration condemned the Azerbaijani authorities and expressed disappointment over the decision to pardon Safarov, saying that "this action runs counter to ongoing efforts to reduce regional tensions and promote reconciliation." Moreover, 21 September 2012, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip Gordon, said that the United States was shocked by the glorification of Safarov and was not satisfied with the explanations of Hungary and Azerbaijan.

September 3 of the Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement on the extradition of Hungary Safarov: "In Russia, the co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group on the Nagorno-Karabakh settlement, with great concern took the message of Baku’s pardon of Azerbaijani soldier R. Safarov convicted by a Hungarian court for life imprisonment for In Hungary, in the 2004, the murder with particular cruelty of an Armenian officer, as well as on the decision of the Hungarian authorities preceding this decision to extradite him to Azerbaijan. The fact is that these actions of the Azerbaijani, as well as the Hungarian authorities, are contrary to the efforts agreed at the international level, primarily through the OSCE Minsk Group, and aimed at reducing tensions in the region. "

A spokeswoman for the European Union’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton, Maya Koçijancic, said the same day that the European Union is concerned about the decision of the President of Azerbaijan to pardon Safarov. She also expressed the opinion that Azerbaijan had deceived Hungary and demanded explanations from the Azerbaijani authorities in connection with the release of Safarov. The OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chairs expressed deep concern and regret for the damage that clemency and any attempts to exalt the crime could inflict on the peace process and trust between the parties to the conflict. The Secretary General of the Council of Europe, Thorbjørn Jagland, said that the glorification of the crime committed by Safarov is unacceptable. Also, the decision on the release and glorification of Safarov, the permanent EU chairman Herman Van Rompuy and the president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe Jean-Claude Mignon, were condemned. 7 September, speaking at the Azerbaijan Diplomatic Academy, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen expressed concern about Azerbaijan’s decision to pardon Ramil Safarov and said that praising the crime undermines confidence. CSTO Secretary General Nikolai Bordyuzha said that "this step, obviously made for the sake of opportunistic political goals, cannot be justified by anything. Moreover, the heroization of the criminal will only contribute to the growth of already high regional tensions."

It was no coincidence that I gave such a detailed account of the reaction of representatives of the centers of power of world politics to the fact of early release and the glorification of the killer. Against the background of their statements, the scornful attitude, and even direct encouragement by a majority of the OSCE PA delegates of one of the main killers' PR men, eloquently testifies to the moral principles prevailing in some European parliamentarians, about double standards that are increasingly becoming the norm when making decisions.

And against the background of these reflections, having arrived in Yerevan, I involuntarily plunged into the turbulent whirlpool of political debates and disputes over the European or Eurasian choice of Armenia. It is noteworthy that rather authoritative Russian experts considered it their duty to express themselves: Fedor Lukyanov, Vigen Akopyan, Alexander Krylov, Konstantin Zatulin, Alexander Tarasov and others, who, unlike Alexander Dugin (who is a close friend and associate the famous Armenian phobia-Islamist Heydar Jemal), it is difficult to suspect engagement and Armenian phobia, rather the opposite.

The first thing I would like to say is to express gratitude for the honest presentation of their own vision of the Armenian-Russian relations and the situation in the South Caucasus region, in the light of possible initialling in November of this year. Armenia Association Agreement and the Treaty on a deep and comprehensive free trade zone between Armenia and the EU. The thoughts they expressed, I think, allow us to catch new shades and nuances in the final choice of the geopolitical vector of development of Armenia. At the same time, it is regrettable that a respected expert community, expressing its opinion on the essence of the problem, draws its far-reaching conclusions without a deep analysis of the situation in which Armenia has been in 20 years now. In the conditions of blockade by Azerbaijan and Turkey, Armenia resolves not only national security issues, the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, but also economic survival.

It should be noted that Armenia is an import-dependent country, not having access to the sea. At the same time, we note that 70% of goods necessary for the sustenance of the republic are imported to Armenia through Georgia and 30% through the Islamic Republic of Iran. These are peculiar ways of life. We in Armenia felt the exceptional vital importance of these routes in August 2008 during the Georgian-South Ossetian war. Let us remind readers that 17 August 2008 of the year, as reported by news agencies, referring to evidence of local residents, people in camouflage came to the bridge near Kaspi town (45 kilometers from Tbilisi and 40 kilometers from Gori), laid an explosive under the bridge and blew it up . As a result of the explosion, part of the bridge collapsed into the river, and traffic along the highway connecting the east and west of Georgia was interrupted, and communication between Georgia and Armenia was also interrupted. By the time of the explosion, 72 wagons of goods imported to Armenia remained on the damaged section. Georgia accused Russian troops of undermining the bridge. The General Staff of the Russian army categorically rejected information about the involvement of the military in the explosion.

Even before the explosion of the bridge, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a plan for a peaceful settlement in the zone of the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict. I remember that on the same days, the press passed information that the explosion of a vital bridge was aimed at making it clear to the strategic ally of Russia - Armenia, so that at this time of troubles the separatist sentiments in Armenian-populated Javakhetia would not suddenly come to life. After all, 10 days after the explosion of the railway bridge, stocks of essential goods in Armenia came to a critical level. Here, of course, we have the right to see the competent actions of the Turkish and Azerbaijani special services and not to forget about it. It is in this vein that perhaps respected experts should consider the fact of awarding the President of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili with the Order of Honor of Armenia. In the decree of 24 June 2009, President Serzh Sargsyan of Armenia noted that the award of the Georgian President was for strengthening centuries-old friendship, as well as for activities aimed at strengthening cooperation between Armenia and Georgia. The decree of the President of Armenia was a kind of message both for the politicians of Armenia concerned about the difficult socio-economic and humanitarian conditions of our compatriots living in Javakheti and for all kinds of instigators. In particular, this decree knocked the ground out from under the feet of those political forces who, in favor of advancing Turkish-Azerbaijani interests, did their best to drive a wedge into Armenian-Georgian relations.

As for the Armenian-Iranian relations, to the credit of the centers of power of world politics, it should be noted that they understand with understanding that in the current extremely difficult situation for Armenia caused by the blockade, the establishment of good-neighborly and friendly relations between Armenia and Iran is extremely important.

Now about the relations between Armenia and the USA, Armenia and the European Union, Armenia and the Russian Federation. In modern Armenia, it can be said without exaggeration that the national conviction has emerged that the existence of a sovereign Republic of Armenia is possible only in conjunction with the independent Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. An unshakable national consensus has been established on this issue. Therefore, without going into dozens of weighty arguments in favor of establishing the closest relations of Armenia with the United States, Russia and the countries of the European Union, we note that today the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs are entrusted with the mission of facilitating a peaceful settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. This imposes on the political leadership of the country a special responsibility in establishing the most benevolent relations both with the United States and with France (the European Union), and in fully strengthening economic, humanitarian and political ties with them. It seems that in this case it will not be very easy for our American and European partners to explain to their people why, in resolving the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, they prefer the non-sovereign and democratic Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, which with the Republic of Armenia fully brought its legal framework into line with requirements of the Association Agreement with the EU. Moreover, 20 has been living for years in a democratic society, democratically elected authorities, and are leaning towards Azerbaijan, whose state organization is increasingly acquiring the features of a classical sultanate.

It is under these conditions that the further strengthening of the allied relations between Armenia and Russia acquires special significance and fatefulness. It is important to consider the relations of the two states against the background of the global geopolitical processes that will dominate the world in the coming decades. It is also necessary to avoid clichés that have already started to grind, the goal of which is to minimize in every way the possibilities of a sovereign Armenian state to make its own geopolitical development choice. This is initially counterproductive, at least in terms of the future of Armenian-Russian relations. We should not forget that Armenia has always lived in the world with its own faith and civilizational choice. And apparently there is a divine destiny from above, which has become a test for our people, that in 301, my country was the first in the world to adopt Christianity as the state religion. As for the geopolitical choice, the Armenian people made it from the time of Israel Ori (one of the most prominent organizers of the liberation movement of the Armenian people against the Turkish and Persian yoke), who traveled throughout Europe in the late seventeenth century and appealed to their royal courts assistance in the struggle for the liberation of the Armenian people from the alien yoke, convinced that the real ally of Armenia can only be Russia gaining power. The history of political relations between Armenia and Russia essentially begins in the summer of 1701, when Israel Ori arrived in Russia and presented to Tsar Peter I a project for the liberation of Armenia with the participation of Russia. Peter the Great assured Israel Ori that he would deal with the issue of the liberation of Armenia after the end of the Northern War, which was waged between Russia and Sweden. To study the situation in Iran and the Transcaucasus, Peter I decided to send an embassy to Iran, headed by Israel Ori, who received the rank of colonel of the Russian Army. It is noteworthy that Israel Ori, in order to avoid suspicion regarding the embassy, ​​went to Europe, where he received a letter from the Pope of Rome addressed to the Shah of Iran, asking not to persecute Christians of Iran. In the 1711 year, following an important mission to Armenia from St. Petersburg, Israel Ori made a stop in Astrakhan, where he died suddenly. The case begun by Israel Ori and his associates was crowned with success in February 1828, when the Turkmenchay peace treaty was concluded, by which the territories of Eastern Armenia — the Erivan and Nakhchivan Khanates — were withdrawn to Russia. Over the past 185 years, Russia and Armenia, our people have been subjected to severe tests, but it always seemed to come out of hopeless situations prepared for us by fate: the Russian-Turkish wars, the first and second world wars strengthened the bonds of the brotherhood of the peoples of Russia and Armenia . And today, our countries are faced with the extremely difficult tasks of choosing the path to building the future, tasks that are completely new, the solution of which requires the maximum concentration of all the intellectual forces of the peoples of Russia and Armenia, our allies in the CSTO.

For example, in February at the forty-ninth Munich Security Conference, Vice President of the United States of America Joe Biden, in his speech, proposed the creation of a transatlantic free trade zone, which would include the United States and the European Union. This idea was immediately picked up by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and expressed hope for an early start of negotiations. In the future, this idea was developed 2013 June this year. at the G-18 summit in Lough Erne. US President Barack Obama at a joint press conference with European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and British Prime Minister David Cameron said that negotiations on the creation of a free trade zone will begin in July. The authors of this project believe that it will open a new era in the global economy. David Cameron called the project "the largest bilateral agreement in history," which will bring participants (and not only) countries to tens of billions of pounds, and also help create millions of new jobs and lower prices for many products. In this regard, it is difficult to disagree with the conclusion of authoritative Russian experts who believe that after the collapse of the USSR a motive arose for the consolidation of the West - not against a specific threat, but to restore its own domination in the world, somewhat shaken after the global financial and economic crisis of 8-2008. .

EU approval of the idea of ​​creating a transatlantic free trade zone essentially means that Europe abandoned plans to become an independent center of power, objectively agreeing with the primacy of the United States. In the case of plans, this zone will account for approximately 50% of world GDP (in addition to the USA and EU countries, Canada and Mexico, which are now members of the North American free trade zone) will also be included in it. Naturally, under these conditions, the trade and economic consolidation of the Golden Billion will occur, which will inevitably complicate the possibilities of economic development, and first of all the BRICS countries. At the same time, we recall that the European "friends" politely refused the proposal of Russia to create a "single economic space" from Lisbon to Vladivostok. At first glance, the creation of a transatlantic free trade zone, opening up prospects for the EU, may have a positive impact on the economies of the Eastern Partnership countries, which, by initialing the Association Agreement with the EU and the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area Agreement, will receive additional incentives for the development of their economies and new markets. However, it is only at first glance.

It is no secret that the current US policy is aimed at reviving its own industry. And, as experts rightly point out, the issues of production care and job creation in Asia are among the most pressing political topics in the United States. There is no doubt that with the creation of a single Euro-Atlantic trade and economic space, the internal competition between the US and the EU will escalate and the United States will ultimately benefit. In turn, the EU will not go down the path of winding up its production capacity and will look for new markets. The adoption by the Eastern Partnership countries of the Associative Agreement and the Agreement on a Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area with the EU will open for the European Union new markets for its products in countries with a population of more than 75 million people. And this is not an exaggeration. Indeed, in essence, the Eastern Partnership program is based on a political formula put forward by the President of the European Commission, Romano Prodi. So, in 2003, Romano Prodi, when he was the chairman of the European Commission, formed the principle of relations between the expanding European Union and countries that “are almost in Europe,” but are not considered as candidate countries. The essence of the doctrine of Romano Prodi "the unification of everything except institutions" means the economic, political and legal rapprochement of the neighboring countries with the European Union, the mutual opening of markets and their perception of EU legal norms. With the exception, however, of participation in common institutions of a united Europe (European Commission, Council of the European Union, Court of Justice, European Parliament and working bodies), which makes it possible to influence the process of elaboration and content of these norms. Since 10 years have passed, but the essence of the EU’s approaches to the neighboring countries has remained the same and it seems that no one can have doubts about what decisions the European Commission will take, being well aware of the problems within the EU itself. It is enough to note that in the first quarter of 2013, the external debt of 5 of the EU countries (Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, Belgium) exceeded 100% of the GDP of these countries. And this is in conditions when unemployment in some European countries exceeds 25%. And youth unemployment in Italy and Portugal - over 40%, in Spain - 56%, in Greece - more than 60%.

Under these conditions, it would be risky to talk about the prospects for economic development for countries that have signed the Association Agreement with the EU in the framework of the Eastern Partnership. Not to be unsubstantiated, I will cite a specific example. So, Armenia and the European Union 24 July this year. successfully completed the negotiations on the Agreement on a Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area, which, as is known, is part of the Association Agreement with the EU. As reported by the press service of the European Commission, during the seventh round of talks, which was held in Yerevan, the parties reached agreement on key issues, which will open a new stage in trade relations between Armenia and the EU. "The agreement will contribute to economic integration with the European Union, creating a more accessible market for Armenian and European goods and services. It will also allow Armenia to modernize its trade and economic relations and develop the economy based on the harmonization of laws and regulations in various areas of trade. Key sectors of the economy countries will be aligned with European standards. "

I deliberately, without cuts, cited this excerpt from the statement of the press service of the European Commission. So, the result of these innovations, according to the press service, will be that, thanks to this agreement, the incomes of the Armenian economy will grow by 146 million euros per year, which is 2,3% of the country's GDP. The agreement on a deep and comprehensive free trade zone will increase the country's exports by 15,2% and imports by 8,2%, which will improve the trade balance in the future. It is appropriate to say that the mountain gave birth to a mouse. And all this universal noise around the Associative Agreement is expressed by the estimated growth in GDP by an amount comparable to the amount of the proposed Russian grant to subsidize part of the cost of gas supplied to Armenia from Russia. Here it is not at all necessary to speak about an incorrect conclusion of specialists regarding the improvement of indicators of the trade balance. So, given that in 2012, the volume of imports to Armenia in 3,1 times exceeded the volume of exports, an increase in exports by 15,2%, and imports by 8,2% while maintaining the import / export ratio will lead to a further increase in the trade deficit, i.e. its deterioration. It seems that an unbiased analysis of the foregoing will not leave any doubt that artificially forcing information in the media about the allegedly increasing tension in relations between Russia and Armenia pursues quite specific goals. After all, it is no secret that the successful completion of negotiations between the Russian company Rosneft and the Armenian government on the purchase of the Nairit Plant Joint Stock Company and the further modernization of this enterprise, as well as related industries, may increase GDP growth in comparison with 146 million euros. factor of. At the same time thousands of new jobs will be created.

It will not be difficult to make sure that the anti-Russian hysteria unfolding in Armenia, accompanied by harsh criticism of the Armenian leadership, which is supposedly responsible for the deterioration of Russian-Armenian relations, is guided from one center. It is indicative that precisely those Armenian border writers who literally six months ago were noticed more than once by their Russophobic articles were dressed up in earnest of zealous supporters of strengthening the Russian-Armenian strategic partnership. At the same time, in their publications they refer to not always accurate expressions and assessments of Russian political scientists and experts, who criticize the authorities of Armenia, at the same time admit expressions that offend the sense of national dignity. This Jesuit policy is clearly calculated: in the minds of the inexperienced reader of this political mora, there remains no criticism at all of the Armenian authorities, but unseemly assessments of our country and our people. Apparently the re-election of Serzh Sargsyan to the second presidential term, his first visit to Russia, the warm welcome extended to him by Russian President Vladimir Putin, has painfully upset the plans of overseas strategists who set themselves the task: to tear Armenia away from Russia at any price. The whole hope of this biased company is based on the fact that you can drown sign statements by the President of Armenia, Serzh Sargsyan, that give unequivocal answers about the true priorities of the foreign policy of the Republic of Armenia.

So, 25 June this year. Serzh Sargsyan, answering journalists ’questions during a press conference with Polish President Brosislav Komarovski, said how Armenia is related to integration processes:“ The strategic nature of relations between Armenia and Russia is no secret for anyone. We have lived for many years next door, for a long time in a common state. And over the centuries, good, friendly relations based on mutual respect have been formed. We are friendly nations, we have a common history and we are proud of this story. Armenia and Russia are member states of the CSTO, we have very extensive military technical and deep economic relations with Russia. The largest Armenian community lives in Russia and members of this community are very respected people. And we have never taken steps that would be directed against Russia, and we do not have any complex that can push us to such a step.We are peoples who are carriers of European values, and our goal is to develop our society on the basis of these values. Armenia is one of those countries that has achieved the greatest progress in the framework of the Eastern Partnership of the European Union. We do not build our partnership on the principle of "or-or", but on the principle of "and-and." And here I see no contradiction. "

Such is the clear position of the President of Armenia, which among professional diplomats, especially among statesmen, cannot leave any doubts about how the leadership of our country sees the main foreign policy priority of the Republic of Armenia. Serzh Sargsyan’s words are that: “And we have never taken steps that would be directed against Russia, and we don’t have any complex that can push us to take such a step,” you see, they are expensive. And if we add to this the excerpt from the speech of Serzh Sargsyan at the summit of the leaders of the Eastern Partnership of the European People's Party, which was held on 10-11 in July this year. in Kishenev: “In our view, the Eastern Partnership is by its nature an initiative aimed at creating cooperation, not contradictions, it is not directed against any state or group of states. This partnership is aimed at finally overcoming the dividing lines. Within” Eastern Partnership "is extremely important for Armenia to put an end to the practice of closed borders. The agreement on a deep and comprehensive free trade zone, which is currently being negotiated with After the entry into force, the Union cannot fully act if the Armenia-Turkey border remains closed, as it is now. We think that the European Union should seriously address the issue of closed borders, since, in the conditions of their existence, trade with the EU Customs Union ( of which Turkey is also AG -) "cannot be spectacular. It seems that for people who are well-versed in diplomacy and in politics, the words of the President of Armenia do not give grounds for discrepancies, especially considering the current realities with the self-proclaimed Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

The entire political fuss, due to the possible initiation by Armenia of the Associative Agreement and the Agreement on a Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area, has one single goal: to drive a wedge into strategic, allied relations between Russia and Armenia at any price, to impose a sense of mutual distrust on our peoples. The speeches and statements of the official representatives of Turkey and Azerbaijan are aimed at this. So, 18 July this year. The President of Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev, speaking at the cabinet meeting on the results of socio-economic development in the first half of 2013 and the upcoming tasks, said: "Along with all political and diplomatic efforts, our military power will play a key role in solving the the Karabakh issue ... As you know, with the acquisition of this technology (talking about modern weapons acquired by Azerbaijan from Israel and Russia - AG) there are no problems. We buy equipment from various countries At the same time, we are producing it in Azerbaijan. There are a growing number of countries willing to cooperate with us in the military sphere. The press reports that Azerbaijan bought weapons from 1 billion dollars from some countries and 1,6 billion dollars from others. that these figures do not reflect reality. In fact, our military-technical cooperation is measured by figures that are many times larger than the figures given. We just do not disclose these figures. We only comment on information that appears from time to time in the foreign press. But we can disclose all the information, since our state budget is transparent, and all our expenses are open. "

The words of President Aliyev about the purchase of weapons from Russia in the amount of 1 billion dollars, of course, addressed to the citizens of Armenia and unquestionably all sorts of Russophobes, dug in our country, generously funded from abroad. And by and large, the words of the President of Azerbaijan are nothing but psychological preparation of the population of Azerbaijan and the international community for the possibility of a military resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh issue. We have the right to make such a conclusion by analyzing also the statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey, Ahmed Davutoglu. So, 17 July 2013 in Baku, he said: "Azerbaijan and Turkey closely cooperate in the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. If the OSCE Minsk Group could not do anything for 20 years, the international community should ask itself why 20% Are Azerbaijani lands still under occupation? " According to him, the OSCE Minsk Group member states should take an active part in this process: "As you know, Turkey is also a member of the OSCE Minsk Group and is ready to support the Minsk process. The main thing is that the conflict should be resolved soon within the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan ".

Otherwise, than a provocation, this statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey is impossible to perceive. He is certainly aware of the content of the Joint Statement on the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict by President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, President of the United States of America Barack Obama and President of the French Republic François Hollande of 18 June 2013 of the Year, which, in particular, says: "We strongly call leaders all countries reaffirm their commitment to the Helsinki principles, in particular, the principles of non-use of force or threat of use, territorial integrity, equality and the right of peoples to "Definition. We also urge them to refrain from actions or statements that may increase tension in the region and lead to an escalation of the conflict. Leaders must prepare the nations for peace, not war."

What are the goals pursued by the Azerbaijani leader and his Turkish patrons, defiantly ignoring the appeals of the leaders of the centers of power of world politics, clearly stated in the Joint Statement. The course of their thoughts is quite predictable: to create an atmosphere of distrust around the OSCE Minsk Group, to indicate its inability to peacefully resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, and later to provoke a resumption of hostilities by Azerbaijan. The Absheron hawks, seeing the inaction on the part of the centers of power of world politics towards their belligerent statements, hope to use the multi-billion weapons acquired from Israel, Russia and Turkey, with the aim of implementing a blitzkrieg, a fleeting war. Apparently, according to the calculations of the Turkish-Azerbaijani strategists, a military victory will be achieved in a matter of days.

Awareness of the possibility of such a development of events highlights the need for a deep awareness of contemporary political realities, in accordance with which a peaceful settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is possible only with the simultaneous entry of Armenia and Azerbaijan into the Customs Union of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus with further unification in the Common Economic Space and the Eurasian Union. An alternative to Armenia’s entry into the Eurasian Union is ultimately the unleashing of war by Azerbaijan with all the disastrous consequences for our countries and peoples. For the implementation of such a plan, the Azerbaijani-Turkish strategists are extremely important in any way to neutralize the work of the OSCE Minsk Group. And the first step towards this should be the re-introduction of the agenda to be held in Budva in October of this year. Session of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly of the next call of parliamentarians of the OSCE PA to the co-chairs of the Minsk Group: "Urgently convene a meeting of the Minsk Group in full and at the highest level to assess the negotiations within the Minsk process and continue the way to achieve tangible results." And in order to actualize the need to convene this meeting, there is no doubt that Azerbaijan will provoke military clashes in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

Artashes Geghamian - Member of Parliament of the Republican Party of Armenia, Head of the Armenian Parliamentary Delegation to the OSCE PA, Chairman of the National Unity Party and the Northern Perspective public organization
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  1. biglow
    biglow 30 July 2013 09: 12 New
    +8
    better a bad world than a good war
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 30 July 2013 17: 14 New
      -7
      In the words of Caesar from “Cleopatra” “there are too many words.” The article is completely stupid and clearly provocative. The author is trying hard to squeeze a tear from an unsuspecting public. And why not repeat the article from the ARMENIAN SITES? Topics- "Why in USA the USA loves more than Russia" (armenianreport.com/pubs/64707)where they brazenly require money from Russia (they apparently have few billion dollars in subsidies for Armenia annually, not counting free military equipment) "Russian blackmail: today Ukraine, tomorrow Armenia "(armenianreport.com/pubs/64835)" Putin's law "(ibid. / 64496), which states" Armenia will manage without Russia, Russia without Armenia, no. "Russia can do anything" (ibid / 62392), which refers to "the insidious policy of Moscow, the execution of Polish officers, about the strange plane crash of the Polish president." THIS IS PUBLICATIONS FROM 1 GO SITE. If you wish, you can find hundreds of such publications. But all this under the accompaniment of "eternal Armenian-Russian friendship"
      1. Gari
        Gari 30 July 2013 17: 30 New
        16
        Quote: xetai9977
        .And why not repeat the articles from the SAME SITES OF ARMENIA?

        What sites? -Grantososov from the West
        And you don’t have such ones - “Putin’s visit does not bode well for Azerbaijan,” political analyst V. Guluzade said in an interview with modern.az. According to him, "if Azerbaijan joins the game between Russia and the United States, it will be under great blow, as Russia is trying to use Azerbaijan as a factor in its struggle against the United States."
        “Russia is an entity that thinks fantastically about its internal resources and cannot give up its imperialist thinking, as a result of which it is doomed to be dismembered. At the same time, it still continues to be a source of threat to the surrounding systems surrounding it, ”said Seymour Azi (Azadlig).
        According to the analyst of the newspaper Zerkalo R. Mirkadyrov, “Putin may come to visit us. But only in order to try to scare us with the consequences of refusing an alliance with the Iranian-Russian tandem. ”
        Then we will continue to continue srach again ???
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 30 July 2013 17: 38 New
          -5
          And where is “srach?” God sees, we did not start this war. And we did not occupy your land. We just want to live a normal life, within our borders, in harmony with all our neighbors. We don’t swear on “eternal friendship "to someone, and then we write nasty things about them. And you, and we know perfectly well what’s the matter. Let’s finish the conversation. Everything has already been said.
          1. Gari
            Gari 30 July 2013 17: 45 New
            14
            Only God doesn’t need, okay, now I’ll give so many reasons that you started, don’t, you need to think how to live peacefully in the neighborhood
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 30 July 2013 17: 51 New
              -4
              Who is against it, just return the earth.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 30 July 2013 17: 55 New
                +1
                This is from an unrealizable area. I love history and reading, I was convinced that for 3000 years of the written history of mankind nothing has changed.

                There was such a Camille. He said everything a long time ago. Since then, nothing has changed.
            2. Bakht
              Bakht 30 July 2013 17: 54 New
              -5
              Do not bring. :-(
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  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 15: 17 New
    18
    Oh Armenia laughing Now all the interested parties on the site are already pouring a seagull and waiting for the next "debate" wassat
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      1. ed65b
        ed65b 30 July 2013 16: 37 New
        +6
        [quote = Apollon] [quote = Alexander Romanov] Now all the interested parties are on the site, I am pouring tea and waiting for the next "debate [/ quote]

        I also drink tea, well, gentlemen, we will bet ...
        this "article will break the record for comments. wassat[/ Quote]
        Definitely a hit today. especially if you scroll.
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 30 July 2013 15: 26 New
      10
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Now all the interested parties on the site are already pouring a seagull and waiting for the next "debate"



      I also drink tea.

      Well, gentlemen, will we bet ?!
      this "article" on attendance and comments will break today's record wassat
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 15: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Apollon

        Well, gentlemen, will we bet ?!

        Apollo, bored today, now the people will catch my breath laughing
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 30 July 2013 15: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          bored today, now the people



          I would unsubscribe yes modesty does not allow laughing
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 30 July 2013 18: 06 New
            +6
            Quote: Apollon
            I would unsubscribe yes modesty does not allow

            And you put your modesty out of the room that would not interfere and write calmly laughing
        2. Gari
          Gari 31 July 2013 01: 08 New
          +8
          [quote = Apollon] [quote = Alexander Romanov] Now all the interested parties are on the site, I am pouring tea and waiting for the next "debate [/ quote]

          I also drink tea, well, gentlemen, we will bet ...
          this "article will break the record for comments. wassat [/ quote]
          [quote = Alexander Romanov] Apollo, it’s boring today, now the people will come to my senses [/ quote]

          Good evening colleagues it seems evening failed
          You were bored.
          Everything went within the bounds of respect and ethical standards, and in general the topic went to women, fishing and drinking, and by the way, perhaps in real life together, but only to the Black Sea
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 30 July 2013 15: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Now all the interested parties on the site are already pouring a seagull and waiting for the next "debate"



      I’m just amazed at those who make such interviews, articles ...... well, how many Armenian pseudo-political scientists can be put on ...... well, their opinion must also be respected .... but at least a couple of times put the Azerbaijani articles political scientists ...... hi as one ancient said - I will give life, if only to hear the words of the enemy ....
      and all the same, Ilham Aliyev was right, after the parade he said that panic and hysteria in Yerevan !!! smile give one more tank brigade from T-90SA fellow
      1. Gato
        Gato 30 July 2013 15: 42 New
        15
        Quote: smersh70
        after the parade, he said that panic and hysteria in Yerevan !!! give one more tank brigade from T-90SA

        Like children, honestly. Really not fought?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 30 July 2013 15: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: Gato
          Really not fought?



          You tell this to 1 million refugees ..... who have lost their homeland ......
          and draw an analogy with part of the Kuril Islands .... you don’t want to give away some stones from the islands (you’re doing it right) ..... and then you immediately became a peacemaker ... who wants to fight .... though there is a good Russian proverb -fight fire with fire...... hi
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 15: 45 New
        +7
        Quote: smersh70
        give one more tank brigade from T-90SA

        Or maybe we’ll talk about football laughing
        1. alone
          alone 30 July 2013 15: 48 New
          +1
          I think football is much more interesting than a discussion of Armenia’s foreign policy
        2. Gato
          Gato 30 July 2013 15: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Or maybe we’ll talk about football

          OK. The Russian national football team is a world leader in this exciting sport.
          Compared with them, the Argentines are a yard team of Paralympics, completely dependent on the salary of their coach.
          Let’s strengthen our national team with the “Pinocchio” division and hold a parade - all sorts of tiffosy fellow
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 16: 02 New
            +7
            Quote: Gato
            OK. The Russian national football team is a world leader in this exciting sport.

            Huh what Maybe then about the women repeat
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 30 July 2013 16: 23 New
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Maybe then about the women



              hit the mark .... drinks By the way, there are very few articles here about women))))) although most people here are from the military environment, who like to talk about their “exploits” at the time of revelation ... fellow
              1. Gari
                Gari 30 July 2013 16: 54 New
                10
                Quote: smersh70
                By the way, there are very few articles here about women))))

                In the very near future, the scandalous Indian actress Sunny Leone, a former model of Penthouse and Hustler magazines, famous for filming in candid erotic scenes, will visit Baku, reports 1news.az.
                Oh, what a beauty I honestly envy you
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 17: 02 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Gari
                  Oh, what a beauty I honestly envy you

                  She is going to visit him laughing
                  1. Gari
                    Gari 30 July 2013 17: 04 New
                    +9
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    She is going to visit him

                    Well, if I’m very jealous of Vurgun.
                    1. xetai9977
                      xetai9977 30 July 2013 17: 18 New
                      10
                      Please do not worry. I WILL MEET HIMSELF AND TAKE WHERE I NEED !! bully
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 30 July 2013 17: 16 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    She is going to visit him



                    to me, Alexander, to me .......... laughing laughing
                    1. Gari
                      Gari 30 July 2013 17: 33 New
                      +2
                      Quote: smersh70
                      to me, Alexander, to me ..........

                      Vurgun, bring it to Dmanisi - I promise I will bring good cognac
                      1. smersh70
                        smersh70 30 July 2013 17: 39 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Gari
                        Vurgun, bring it to Dmanisi - I promise I will bring good cognac



                        I'm afraid there, parts of Georgia turn off the light, we won’t figure it out in the dark laughing plus Uncle Misha will intercept ..on special. on these matters ....... laughing
                      2. Gari
                        Gari 30 July 2013 17: 48 New
                        +3
                        Quote: smersh70
                        I'm afraid there, parts of Georgia turn off the light, we won’t figure it out in the dark

                        Well, about the light, there is no longer a problem, but in the dark it is also possible, although it is better to see such a beauty
                        Quote: smersh70
                        plus Uncle Misha will intercept ..on special. on these matters .......

                        I’ll intercept him like that, it’s not enough.
                        We ourselves are somehow without him, if you don’t want to go to Dmanisi, let’s go to Batumi, I’ll organize everything by the sea, I know all the places in Batumi
                      3. smersh70
                        smersh70 30 July 2013 17: 57 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Gari
                        come on in Batumi, I will organize everything near the seashore, I know all the places well in Batumi



                        just in the beginning of August I’m going to kabulets ... drinks ..prepare a better place for fishing ... last time I did not find)))))) everything went in degrees))))))).
                      4. Gari
                        Gari 30 July 2013 23: 21 New
                        +1
                        Quote: smersh70
                        just in the beginning of August I’m going to kabulets ...

                        Good evening, sorry there was a topic of women, so I could not stand it, I went
                        While I do not advise bad rains in Kobuleti, I don’t know about fishing in Kobuleti, but in Batumi they catch fish at the seaport, but now there are few fish, summer
                        Quote: smersh70
                        everything went under a degree))))))).

                        Well, that’s right, then by the end of August I’ll come and arrange a cool fishing - As in ,, Peculiarities of national fishing ,, - I don’t know how to fish, but what to do - pour and drink
          2. Essenger
            Essenger 30 July 2013 17: 23 New
            +3
            Quote: Gari
            the famous Indian actress Sunny Leone, a former model of Penthouse and Hustler magazines, famous for filming in candid erotic scenes,

            Googled, she is a Canadian porn actress;)
            1. Gari
              Gari 30 July 2013 17: 33 New
              +3
              Quote: Essenger
              Googled, she is a Canadian porn actress;)

              According to the passport, and rooted in India, although what's the difference
              1. Arkan
                Arkan 31 July 2013 01: 32 New
                +6
                Quote: Gari
                Quote: Essenger
                Googled, she is a Canadian porn actress;)

                According to the passport, and rooted in India, although what's the difference

                good That's it! The main thing is that the person is good - you can immediately see from the photo ... smile
                1. Gari
                  Gari 31 July 2013 08: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Arkan
                  That's it! The main thing is that the person is good - you can immediately see from the photo ...

                  Yeah friend you kind eyes are immediately visible
              2. kush62
                kush62 31 July 2013 04: 43 New
                0
                According to the passport, and rooted in India, although what's the difference

                What are the roots?
  3. seller trucks
    seller trucks 30 July 2013 15: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Or maybe we’ll talk about football



    let's as usual about buggers, not a day without them
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 30 July 2013 16: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: seller trucks
      let's as usual about buggers, not a day without them



      think laugh or cry ........ laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 17: 04 New
        +8
        Quote: smersh70

        think laugh or cry

        Well, who is about the women, and who is ****, who is closer to anyone laughing
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 30 July 2013 17: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well who


          clean the mail.
    2. Gari
      Gari 30 July 2013 16: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: seller trucks
      let's as usual about buggers, not a day without them

      Let's not, better about women
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 30 July 2013 16: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Gari
        Let's not, better about women



        what am I? in my opinion, besides “these very” other problems, there’s not, however, you’ll look in any thread so that someone doesn’t insert their “five cents” about LGBT people.
  4. smersh70
    smersh70 30 July 2013 16: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Or maybe we’ll talk about football



    Alexander, Comrade Semin is already in Gabala for us ..... laughing By the way, it shows up quite well in friendly matches so far))))))))))
    1. Gari
      Gari 30 July 2013 17: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: smersh70
      Alexander, Comrade Semin already speaks for us in Gabala ..... by the way, he shows up quite well in friendly matches so far)))))))))

      Vurgun ,, Neftchi ,, flew our ,, Shirak ,, and ,, Pyunik ,, too
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 30 July 2013 17: 19 New
        0
        [quote = Gari] Vurgun ,, Neftchi ,, flew our ,, Shirak ,, and ,, Pyunik ,, too [/ quote

        that's for sure, but as always, Karabakh pleases !!!!!!!!! fellow just on August 1, he plays .... as always, Karabakh is the best in the Caucasus !!!!!! drinks
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 17: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: smersh70
      By the way, it shows up quite well in friendly matches so far))))))))))

      You’re only there, you don’t play with the Brazilians, you are frostbitten wassat Last weekend, a football match in Brazil ended in a double tragedy - the murder of a judge and one of the players. This was reported by the Associated Press.

      The incident occurred in the state of Maranhao. Judge Otavio da Silva presented a red card and removed the player Josénir Abreu from the field. A fight broke out between them, during which the judge inflicted a fatal stab wound on the player: J. Abreu died on the way to the hospital.

      After that, the angry friends and relatives of the athlete, who were rooting for him in the stands, ran out onto the field and stoned O. Silva to death with stones. Then they quartered the body, decapitated it, and put the judge’s head on a stake, setting it in the middle of the field.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 30 July 2013 17: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Then they quartered the body, decapitated it, and put the judge’s head on a stake, setting it in the middle of the field.



        Well, it doesn’t threaten us !!!!!!!!!!! we still have the Caucasus !!!!! guests honor and respect !!!!!!!!! drinks
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 17: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: smersh70
          !!! guests honor and respect !!!!!

          Such guests are worse than the most bloodthirsty Tatar wassat
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 30 July 2013 17: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Such guests are worse than the most bloodthirsty Tatar


            laughing drinks
  • Gari
    Gari 30 July 2013 16: 09 New
    10
    Quote: smersh70
    and all the same, Ilham Aliyev was right, after the parade he said that panic and hysteria in Yerevan !!! d

    You can believe it, but you can not, but not that there is no panic, and even complete indifference, everyone does not care.
    People are more concerned about pressing issues, but where to go on vacation, of course, opportunities
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 30 July 2013 16: 22 New
      -4
      Quote: Gari
      People are more concerned about pressing issues, but where to go on vacation, of course, opportunities


      here is Gari, to quickly carry away the legs from impoverished Armenia.
      Armenian realities
      Armenians flee from their country. According to the results of a study conducted by the Gallup sociological service, 40% of the residents of Armenia do not mind leaving their homeland forever. And in the case of the Armenians, the word is not at odds: in the 2011 year, almost 43 thousand people left the republic, last year - 42 thousand. affects the emigration mood of the population. The problem of emigration has already become a top topic in the republic’s mass media, eclipsing even the dilemma of the country's foreign policy choice. Populists say that the reason for the flight of citizens is in the absence of justice, realists say that emigration leads to the loss of statehood. The depopulation of Armenia has already become a tillage field for the PR of political parties. So show politics triumphed again, pushing into the background not only economic problems, but also a gas dispute with Russia. Meanwhile, the economic crisis threatens the collapse of the national economy.
      http://www.voltairenet.org/article179625.html

      Well...........?!
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 30 July 2013 17: 49 New
        +2
        “You need to feed better, they won’t fly away” - Alexander the Second. From the advertisements of the Imperial Bank (though the bank went bankrupt)
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      1. Gari
        Gari 30 July 2013 17: 51 New
        +6
        I don’t think about your Aliyev Pashayev clans
  • ed65b
    ed65b 30 July 2013 17: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: smersh70
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Now all the interested parties on the site are already pouring a seagull and waiting for the next "debate"



    I’m just amazed at those who make such interviews, articles ...... well, how many Armenian pseudo-political scientists can be put on ...... well, their opinion must also be respected .... but at least a couple of times put the Azerbaijani articles political scientists ...... hi as one ancient said - I will give life, if only to hear the words of the enemy ....
    and all the same, Ilham Aliyev was right, after the parade he said that panic and hysteria in Yerevan !!! smile give one more tank brigade from T-90SA fellow

    I already read with enviable constancy publications and a look at the problem of the Armenian side, I would like to read the opinion of the Azerbaijani side.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 18: 00 New
      +2
      We have our own problems. At the bazaar, we have no equal. But they did not study PR.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 31 July 2013 09: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Bakht
        At the bazaar, we have no equal. But they did not study PR.



        You won’t learn to promote with you ...... fool maybe you’ll return to the bazaar smile
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 31 July 2013 01: 06 New
    -1
    Luce Su 34 2-3 squadrons! That would surely be a shock!
  • nokki
    nokki 30 July 2013 16: 15 New
    +5
    I will not say anything about Armenia or Azerbaijan. I will say one thing: it’s time for Russia to hell with noise and bang from these 3,14derast organizations, like the OSCE. It is time to behave, as befits an EMPIRE, and send all who are trying to teach us, loudly and publicly. Stop biting and barking these pro-American jackal-henchmen. Diplomacy (to paraphrase the Soviet poet Stanislav Kunyaev) must be with his fists!
  • alone
    alone 30 July 2013 15: 25 New
    +3
    Oh yeah !! now it starts oh mom do not worry))))
  • Apollo
    Apollo 30 July 2013 15: 28 New
    +4
    Quote: lonely
    Oh yeah !! now it starts oh mom do not worry))))


    who will take the first word ?! wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 15: 33 New
      16
      Quote: Apollon
      who will take the first word ?!

      With your permission Lord Hm winked
      Armenia is an independent state, with a powerful economy and army.
      Azerbaijan is a occupied country with a backward economy and a ruined army, completely dependent on its Turkish masters.
      Well, it started wassat
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 30 July 2013 15: 44 New
        +5
        Almost exactly :-)

        Boring. Nothing will happen. What to discuss?

        Question to all connoisseurs (lovers) of geopolitics. From a textbook on political science for the first grade.

        What is the purpose of war?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 15: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Bakht

          What is the purpose of war?

          Well, a little shoot, something to blow up, well, that's all winked
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 30 July 2013 15: 51 New
            +1
            I guess, yes. But from a political point of view - no :-)
        2. Gari
          Gari 30 July 2013 16: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Bakht
          What is the purpose of war?

          The one who started the war-earn money through human lives and suffering
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 30 July 2013 17: 01 New
            0
            This is all philosophy. The state (leader) starts a war. What is the purpose? This was written by Sun Tzu, Lidder Garth and a bunch of people.

            It's that simple.

            And it is directly related to the subject of our conversation.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 30 July 2013 22: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              . What is the purpose? This was written by Sun Tzu, Lidder Garth and a bunch of people.

              Destroy enemy plans!
              Well, why did you ask that! ??
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 34 New
                +2
                Axiom of Geopolitics

                "The aim of war is always PEACE. Better than pre-war." Otherwise, the war is lost.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 30 July 2013 22: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: Bakht
                  "The aim of war is always PEACE. Better than pre-war." Otherwise, the war is lost.

                  I didn’t excuse you, these are the old local Armenian tricks !!))))

                  Well, I didn’t understand what the question was ??
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 51 New
                    +3
                    If there is war, then what is our goal?

                    Example 20 years ago, Armenia won the war, but lost the world. Can Armenia enjoy the fruits of her victory? No. And now it’s in the corner. Political economic social. I don `t care. Let it be there. But we must not win the war. We need to win the world.

                    Second axiom of geopolitics "The best victory is achieved without war"
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 30 July 2013 22: 53 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Bakht
                      Second axiom of geopolitics "The best victory is achieved without war"

                      This is the axiom of life, not only geopolitics, I think!
                    2. smersh70
                      smersh70 31 July 2013 09: 52 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Bakht
                      Example 20 years ago, Armenia won the war, but lost the world.



                      Armenia won one of the battles, and also the initial one ..... and the war consists of the same battles, you speak like Halder and at the beginning of the war --- the USSR fell on clay feet .....
                      and lose the peace treaty, which the truth has not yet been signed ....... so that the states are at war .....
                      1. Bakht
                        Bakht 31 July 2013 10: 25 New
                        +3
                        So to speak. Won the 1st war. That the war is not over is true.

                        But let’s say this: flies separately, cutlets separately. Azerbaijan is not at war with any state. From a legal point of view, no one has declared war on Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan itself is not officially fighting with anyone.

                        I’ve been trying for the second day to prove that our mistake is to bring Armenia to this issue. This creates tension. Remove Armenia from the negotiation process and everything will become clear. Karabakh Armenians want independence? This can be discussed at the level of autonomy or even (scary to say :-)) of the federation. But (paradox!), Armenia does not want the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh in the first place.

                        Therefore, the second day I ask obscure questions. Armenia has a very selective attitude towards Azerbaijanis for one simple reason. Armenia has territorial claims to Turkey and Azerbaijan. Hence their hatred of these countries. For some reason, Armenia is very friendly with the Kurds, although it was the Kurds who cut them in the 15th year. For some reason, Armenia willingly accepts Azerbaijanis from Iran (here it is our solidarity. There would be no Iranian Azerbaijanis to declare a boycott).

                        This is not an ethnic conflict. This is a conflict based on territorial claims. And with such manners is this state eager for Europe? This is all nonsense of the politicians of Armenia. Nobody will take them there because of territorial seizures. For the same reason, Turkey is denied EU membership (Cyprus issue). What hangover Europe will refuse Turkey and accept Armenia?
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 30 July 2013 15: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        With your permission Lord Hm



        Europe will offer Armenia to join NATO
        author Naira Hayrumyan
        Europe has two options - either convene the Eastern Partnership summit not in November, but, say, in August, or invite the Eastern Partnership countries to NATO. Otherwise, not only Armenia, but also Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia may very soon become observers in the Customs Union and the CSTO.
        Yesterday, the Foreign Minister of Lithuania hinted about this, who said at the meeting of the Council of Ministers of the EU Foreign Affairs that it is necessary to determine the Eastern Partnership and do everything so that in November Ukraine signs the Association Agreement, and Armenia, Moldova and Georgia initialed it. In practice, the minister signals that the initialing of the agreement is in jeopardy, and something needs to be done.
        Armenia is clearly making recent efforts to resist Russian pressure. And not only Armenia. Yesterday, for example, Sergei Naryshkin said that Ukraine is offered observer status in the CSTO.
        The West all the time speaks of the need for diversification as a way to abolish the monopoly of Russia and open the post-Soviet countries to the world. However, diversification is only spoken about in terms of economy. But most likely it's time to talk about security diversification. And it is possible that post-Soviet countries will be offered some format of association with NATO.
        Europe and the USA, after signing the global economic agreement on the creation of the Euro-Atlantic free trade zone, will become a single space. The security of this space is provided by the NATO bloc. And if Armenia, having signed a free trade agreement with the EU, becomes a member of the Euro-Atlantic economic zone, the question will arise of her membership in the CSTO.
        http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/comments/view/31033
        attention so that they would not accuse me of bias, the source is Armenian and photos are not photoshop.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 15: 50 New
          +6
          Quote: Apollon

          Europe will offer Armenia to join NATO

          Apollo, as you know, I don’t want to ask why Armenia doesn’t join the CU. If they want to go to NATO, it’s the road. Probably Europe has always saved Armenia, if such a thing.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 30 July 2013 16: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , and you know, I don’t want to ask why Armenia doesn’t join the CU. If they want to go to NATO, it’s the road. Probably Europe has always saved Armenia, if such a thing.


            Azerbaijan has honestly and unequivocally stated that it is not going to enter into any blocs clearly and unambiguously. Moreover, the republic is a non-aligned movement.
            Azerbaijan: Making a choice between NATO and the Non-Aligned Movement?
            Azerbaijan’s interaction with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is not progressing very fast, and the country's accession to the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) last month puts the future of Azerbaijan’s integration into the Euro-Atlantic space an even bigger question, a number of local analysts said.

            On May 25, Baku joined the Non-Aligned Movement created in the year 1955 as a counteraction to the "dominance" of world powers and all manifestations of colonialism. Belarus, Uzbekistan, and Azerbaijan are the only former Soviet republics to join this left-wing organization, more associated with the Cold War era.
            http://russian.eurasianet.org/node/58748

            The Non-Aligned Movement, which includes Azerbaijan, condemned the actions of the European Union

            Non-Aligned Movement member countries condemned the actions of EU countries that refused to fly Bolivian President Evo Morales’s plane over their territory, and consider this a “violation of human rights,” the text of a document published on Tuesday said.
            http://n-idea.am/ru/news.php?id=33183 attention source is armenian
            1. Essenger
              Essenger 30 July 2013 16: 17 New
              +7
              Quote: Apollon
              Belarus, Uzbekistan, and Azerbaijan are the only former Soviet republics to join this left-wing organization, more associated with the Cold War era.

              I wonder what the Belarusians do there? being members of the CSTO.
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 30 July 2013 16: 31 New
                +6
                Quote: Essenger
                I wonder what the Belarusians do there? being members of the CSTO.


                The question is not for me but for the comrades from Belarus.
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 30 July 2013 16: 43 New
                  +4
                  Yes, of course, this is a rhetorical question.
      3. Gari
        Gari 30 July 2013 16: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, it started

        All the political fuss caused by the possible initiation by Armenia of the Association Agreement and the Agreement on the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Zone, has one single goal: to drive a wedge into strategic, allied relations between Russia and Armenia at any cost, to impose a feeling of mutual distrust on our peoples.
        I would pay attention to this, in my opinion this is the main thing in this article, right now when it comes to the Eurasian Economic Union, the West is doing everything to prevent this.
        The words of Serzh Sargsyan that: “And we never took steps that would be directed against Russia, and we don’t have any complex that can push us to such a step,” you must admit, they are worth a lot.
      4. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 30 July 2013 18: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Armenia is an independent state, with a powerful economy and army.

        On this evening of humor, you can end and move on to more serious problems, for example, about the dominance of buggers wassat
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    3. alone
      alone 30 July 2013 15: 37 New
      +2
      well gentlemen !! the Nth part of the Marlezon ballet begins !! well, let’s say in brief, what is happening in Armenia is solely the fault of the citizens of Armenia. do not choose a citizen of Azerbaijan as president. lol
      1. alone
        alone 30 July 2013 15: 38 New
        +5
        novels today in shock)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
      2. Gari
        Gari 30 July 2013 16: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        do not choose a citizen of Azerbaijan as president.

        But already provoking it seems - why?
        1. alone
          alone 30 July 2013 23: 13 New
          +4
          this is not a provocation! it is a fact
  • alone
    alone 30 July 2013 15: 43 New
    -1
    “We strongly urge the leaders of all countries to reaffirm their commitment to the Helsinki principles, in particular, the principles of the non-use of force or threat of use, territorial integrity, equality and the right of peoples to self-determination, this has been said for 20 years
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 July 2013 15: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      "We strongly urge the leaders of all countries to reaffirm their commitment to the Helsinki principles,

      Quote: lonely
      they say it for 20 years

      Well, the main thing is to confirm wink
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 30 July 2013 15: 53 New
      +2
      By increasing gas prices, Putin punishes the Armenian authorities for "flirting" with NATO and the EU? ("Aravot", Armenia)

      This opinion was expressed by political scientist Gagik Hambaryan in an interview with “Aravot”
      Nune Arevshatyan (Նունե Արեվշատյան)

      quote-According to him, this is not the first time that the Russians have openly anti-Armenian policies. “It is absurd that, in accordance with the debt agreement in exchange for property signed by the Armenian side, the Russians received quite a few objects in Armenia, which are still inactive. The question arises: why did they acquire these enterprises if all these 7-8 years were not supposed to use them? It is also absurd that a few months ago - in November-December of 2012, they signed an agreement with the Georgians to reduce the cost of electricity by 25%, but at the same time raised the gas price for the Armenian side. I should note that for Gazprom the Armenian market is very small and does not provide significant financial and material profit. This is due to the fact that there are few industrial complexes in Armenia, and gas brings big profits in large industrial centers. I believe that this is more of a political decision, another anti-Armenian step by the Russian side, which has been undertaken for quite some time. By this, Russia wants to show Armenia its discontent its warm relations with the European Union and NATO. In addition, the Russian side is also trying to force Armenians to join Putin's Eurasian program, because that our authorities have not yet specifically said what they think of the Eurasian Union, which became Putin’s most important program during his second term as president, ”said Gagik Hambaryan.
      http://www.inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130523/209274063.html
  • smersh70
    smersh70 30 July 2013 15: 49 New
    +3
    In Armenia, over and over again, they continue to experience the bitterness of defeat in the international arena, which obscures all thoughts, feelings and minds of Armenians. The Armenians suffered another defeat at the Istanbul annual twenty-second session of the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly held on June 29 - July 3. Despite the fact that 26 days have passed since the session ended, nonetheless, the Armenian society continues to analyze (and at the same time criticize) the disappointing results of Istanbul for Armenia. Artashes Geghamyan, the deputy of the Armenian parliament from the ruling Republican Party and the head of the Armenian parliamentary delegation to the OSCE PA, decided to share his brain calculations regarding the results of the Istanbul session.
    1. Respect for sovereignty;
    2. Non-use of the armed forces;
    3. The inviolability of borders;
    4. The territorial integrity of states;
    But didn’t Armenia, having occupied Nagorno-Karabakh (note the internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan), show its disrespect for all of the above principles?
    Article IV of the 1975 Helsinki Final Act states: “The participating States will respect the territorial integrity of each of the participating States. Accordingly, they will refrain from any action incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, against the territorial integrity, political independence or unity of any State party and, in particular, from any such actions constituting the use of force or the threat of force
  • Natalia
    Natalia 30 July 2013 15: 50 New
    13
    The alternative to Armenia’s joining the Eurasian Union in the end is the outbreak of war by Azerbaijan with all the destructive consequences for our countries and peoples.

    But that's for sure, no one needs a war. What I would like to say ... is that if there is still a war then there will be no winners ... or rather, there will be one winner and this is the United States - their task is to destabilize the Caucasus by any means and intrigue, and then dance on bones - this is their favorite tactic (they did the same during World War II, they just watched from high, deciding who to help Hitler or Stalin with).
    We all (Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan) need peace, in spite of our real enemies who are sleeping and seeing us start killing each other.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 30 July 2013 16: 03 New
      -3
      Quote: Natalia
      We all (Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan) need peace, in spite of our real enemies who are sleeping and seeing us start killing each other.



      Well then, let the GDP click on its outpost ... to reason it ...... and we will all happily live in peace and good neighborliness !!!!!!!! it’s not good to get into the neighbor’s garden ....... smile
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 30 July 2013 16: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: smersh70
        Well then, let the GDP click on its outpost ... to reason it ...... and we will all happily live in peace and good neighborliness !!!!!!!! it’s not good to get into the neighbor’s garden .....

        a neighbor? which neighbor lol ? Is it a neighboring garden wink )))
        1. alone
          alone 30 July 2013 16: 33 New
          +1
          no. this is not a garden. it is an internationally recognized alien territory.
      2. Gari
        Gari 30 July 2013 16: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: smersh70
        Well then, let the GDP click on its outpost ... to reason it ...... and we will all happily live in peace and good neighborliness !!!!!!!! it’s not good to get into the neighbor’s garden .......

        The first provoke again, and Turkey pushed on his own Davitoglu arrived
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 30 July 2013 16: 48 New
      +8
      "We all (Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan) need peace, in spite of our real enemies who are sleeping and seeing us start killing each other." Well done Natalia! +
      The West very clearly understands who is in power in the Russian Federation and the master plays on the contradictions "People - Power" in Russia. To eliminate this contradiction, it is necessary to change the Government (but this is extremism) or to change the People (this is the migration policy of the Government).
      And despite the fact that the Constitution of the Russian Federation stipulates that the People is the only source of power in the Russian Federation, everyone understands that this is not so! And while there is this slack - our enemies will hit this weak spot!
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 30 July 2013 17: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: S_mirnov
        "We all (Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan) need peace, in spite of our real enemies who are sleeping and seeing us start killing each other." Well done Natalia! +


        Alexander! Yes, we all seem to be for peace, with the occupation of 20% of the lands of Azerbaijan, what do you want to do?
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 30 July 2013 17: 27 New
          +2
          "with the occupation of 20% of the lands of Azerbaijan, what do you want to do ?!" - First of all, ask the Armenian government - What do they want to do? If you are ready to win, support with weapons! And if the government does not want to conquer, but the people want. So let the people of Armenia secure a government that protects the interests of the people, and then help! By the way, about the people and the government is applicable to Russia.
          1. alone
            alone 30 July 2013 20: 54 New
            +2
            Azerbaijani territories occupied, not Armenian
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 31 July 2013 00: 09 New
              +1
              Oops, the error came out. But this does not change the essence.
              1. kush62
                kush62 31 July 2013 04: 53 New
                +1
                Oops, the error came out. But this does not change the essence.

                Yes it’s not a mistake. This is, as always, "Baba Yaga Against" in the stamp. It is only necessary to insert any country and is always right. Trotsky, for the world revolution.
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 31 July 2013 16: 51 New
                  0
                  This is the principle of foreign policy, my opinion is so to speak. The principle applies to any country. I do not see any contradictions here.
    3. Gari
      Gari 30 July 2013 17: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Natalia
      The USA is their task by any means and intrigue to destabilize the Caucasus to an explosive situation, and then dance on the bones - this is their favorite tactic (they did this during the Second World War, they just watched from high, deciding who to help Hitler or Stalin

      The USA lost only 405 thousand people, but it won the economic recovery in the USA after the Second World War, also known as the post-war economic boom, the long boom, the Keynes era or the golden age of capitalism, was the period of prosperity that was observed in the USA in the middle of the 1970th century and continued until the economic crisis of the XNUMXs
      1. P-15
        P-15 30 July 2013 17: 47 New
        +3
        And why wouldn’t they prosper, so many weapons that the USSR gave to leasing and paid in gold. And did they pay completely for that weapon? that's another question
        1. Gari
          Gari 30 July 2013 17: 49 New
          +4
          for this, plus the USA has always done very profitable business in the wars of other countries
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 30 July 2013 21: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: P-15
          And why wouldn’t they prosper, so many weapons that the USSR gave to leasing and paid in gold. And did they pay completely for that weapon? that's another question

          Not at all like that. read the history of leasing.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 30 July 2013 15: 50 New
    +4
    In the document, not a word about the right of the region to separate from the state or the right of national minorities to unilaterally declare their independence from the state. According to international law, self-determination of peoples is possible only taking into account the inviolability of borders and without violating the territorial integrity of the state. And what do we see in the case of the Karabakh conflict? The national minority, in this case, the Armenians, who lived in the autonomous region of Azerbaijan, unilaterally, with the use of force, declared its independence from the state. In this case, we are also dealing with the active intervention of the neighboring republic - Armenia - in the internal affairs of Azerbaijan.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 30 July 2013 16: 13 New
      +8
      Quote: smersh70
      . And what do we see in the case of the Karabakh conflict? The national minority, in this case, the Armenians, who lived in the autonomous region of Azerbaijan, unilaterally, with the use of force, declared its independence from the state.


      Azerbaijan, like Russia at one time, has every right to carry out a counter-terrorist operation in Nagorno-Karabakh to restore constitutional order.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 30 July 2013 15: 50 New
    +7
    If I’m not mistaken in order to enter there, it is necessary to border the CU member state.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 15: 57 New
      +1
      Maybe. But there is one more criterion. We must not have conflicts with our neighbors. And even in NATO Azerbaijan and in Armenia. In principle, not bad. Let them fight among themselves. :-)
  • MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 30 July 2013 15: 54 New
    +4
    An alternative to Armenia’s entry into the Eurasian Union is war

    How can Armenia join the Eurasian Union if it does not have a common border not with Russia, not with other applicants for participation in it?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 30 July 2013 16: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Milafon
      How can Armenia join the Eurasian Union if it does not have a common border not with Russia, not with other applicants for participation in it?


      No need to dissemble Michael, they forgot about Georgia .......?!
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 30 July 2013 16: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: Apollon
        No need to dissemble Michael, they forgot about Georgia .......?!

        Take it away. Georgia to the Eurasian Union? belay
        Through Georgia, Armenia can enter only into the Association Agreement with the European Union.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 30 July 2013 16: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: Milafon
          Take it away. Georgia to the Eurasian Union?
          Through Georgia, Armenia can enter only into the Association Agreement with the European Union.


          Well, Georgia seeks to Europe or will you deny such an obvious fact ?!
          1. Hairy Siberian
            Hairy Siberian 30 July 2013 18: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: Apollon
            Well, Georgia seeks to Europe or will you deny such an obvious fact ?!

            Well, after all, he (MILAFON) tells you (Apollon) about this !!!

            P.S. The Eurasian Economic Union is a project of a union of sovereign states with a single economic, military and customs space, which is supposed to be created on the basis of the union of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus and the corresponding close industrial integration structures of the CIS - EurAsEC, EEA, CSTO, Customs Union.

            An association agreement with the European Union is an agreement between the European Union (EU) and a non-EU state that creates a framework for cooperation between the parties. Areas of cooperation typically involve the development of political, commercial, social, cultural ties and the strengthening of security.
  • alone
    alone 30 July 2013 15: 56 New
    +6
    Well, they will lay a tunnel)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 16: 01 New
      +3
      The CSTO has already been laid.

      But seriously. How does joining or not joining somewhere relate to war?
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 15: 59 New
    -1
    Is this the truth about the Turkish rulers of Ayzerbajan?
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 16: 09 New
      +3
      The article is not true. The arsonists are completely different forces.

      By the way, Azerbaijan acquired and is acquiring weapons: in Russia, Turkey, Israel, Belarus, Ukraine, China, a part was purchased in Bosnia. And some other countries. Plus, factories for the repair of armored vehicles, the release of ammunition, and something else were built under license. It seems they want Israeli drones to release. Also licensed, of course. We are here rotting from the abundance of petrodollars. Completely fat. Sultans all became. Not like Armenia, which is eager for Europe. According to rumors, half of Armenia is already in Europe.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 16: 04 New
    +4
    But in general, the Armenians driven into a corner can win again from despair, there is no choice.
    1. alone
      alone 30 July 2013 16: 07 New
      -2
      driven into a corner, Armenia is likely to lose the population, which, in search of a normal life, will rush off to Russia in full steam)))
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 16: 09 New
        +5
        If you collect them all over the world and then more of your brother will be typed, we will also send them all to Armenia to defend their homeland, the states will send, Israelis from all over the world will go to defend their homeland. One G.Kasparov will beat your entire General Staff.
        1. alone
          alone 30 July 2013 16: 15 New
          +1
          Azerbaijanis around the world 60 million no less. in one Iran, 18% of the population are Azerbaijanis. and this is only according to Iran, which reduces the number of ours in its statistics))
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 30 July 2013 17: 28 New
            +6
            Already started to correct statistics. Now they have raised to 27%.
          2. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 19: 37 New
            0
            Iran will not give you its own, they are needed there, in addition, you already have spying on Iran.
  • sq
    sq 30 July 2013 16: 05 New
    +4
    For the seed.
    let us recall the old story of the times of perestroika (for those who are not aware of the second half of the 80s, the times of the labeled bear) about how Gorbachev asked Stalin for advice on government. It was there about the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, I do not remember verbatim. Something like: which capital Nagorno-Karabakh needs - Baku or Yerevan, and the answer is "Capital - Magadan" and from there "Do not disconnect, but unite."
    My opinion is this: to build an amphitheater like a Roman circus in Karabakh, to gather everyone who wants to fight for Karabakh from both sides, to close tightly, they will find the stones themselves and after they leave only decaying organic matter, fill this place and plant it in a forest, Armenia and Azerbaijan unite and build the capital in Nagorno-Karabakh.
    Utopia. Truth?
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 16: 13 New
      +4
      No, it's not true. :-)

      There was another joke. Conversation in the Moscow metro.

      - Vasya, you don’t know what are the Armenians and Azerbaijanis sharing our land with?
      1. sq
        sq 30 July 2013 16: 27 New
        +1
        It was. I read it myself in the late 80s. Handwritten copybook where this story took pages 6.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 30 July 2013 16: 30 New
          +2
          I do not argue. But the joke should be short. :-) To be remembered.
          1. sq
            sq 30 July 2013 16: 43 New
            0
            So it’s not a joke. There were also poems, and a whole poem.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 30 July 2013 16: 51 New
              +4
              here is evidence of the participation of the President of Armenia
              Armenian President attends Summit of Eastern Partnership Leaders
              Published by 12.07.2013
              On July 11, during a working visit to Moldova, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan participated in the summit of the heads of state and government of the Eastern Partnership countries, members of the European People’s Party, where the agenda of the program and preparatory work for the November Vilnius Summit were discussed.



              pay attention to the president of Azerbaijan is not there.
            2. Bakht
              Bakht 30 July 2013 16: 53 New
              +3
              Oh, and a poem ... It changes the matter a lot.

              So, you need to restore the Trans-Federation? Too late, it seems to me
  • P-15
    P-15 30 July 2013 17: 16 New
    +2
    I’ll tell you what, in the event of a peaceful settlement of the Karabakh conflict in favor of Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan will begin to invest heavily in this region. Armenians (those who remain) as they are citizens of Azerbaijan will create all the conditions for normal living (and not the existence on which they are today) Naturally, the borders with Armenia will open and the Armenians will come from Armenia. Now imagine their reaction after they see how their fellow tribesmen live a normal life. I want you all to understand that the solution to this conflict is not beneficial: the Karabakh clan, which has been in power for so many years, has been leading the whole world, its foreign diaspora and its people, among others.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 19: 39 New
      +3
      The most dumb in your words (those who remain), and if at all, I would be worried about this in the place of Armenia.
      1. P-15
        P-15 30 July 2013 20: 54 New
        +2
        And what dumb did you see in these words, those who want to stay and will remain, and who do not want the tablecloth to him. They can go to Armenia (which I doubt very much) in the best case, Russia and, in extreme cases, to the states (there will be few ,)
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 July 2013 17: 18 New
    -1
    Well, what will the "former" fraternal peoples fight for Karabakh again ??? Everyone seems to be armed .. When do we start ?? For fun around the world ..
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 17: 25 New
      +3
      Everything is fine, but I didn’t like it “for fun”. I'm sorry.

      I can say for sure that there will be no repetition of the first war. Have you seen the last parade in Baku? If the site is military, then tell me what will happen if the Tornado system gives a salvo? Or Sunflower?

      The Azerbaijani army today is not self-defense units 20 years ago. These are already established organizational structures. Which will fight under a single command. They won’t let you win. This is clear even to a hedgehog. But the losses of the parties will be huge. So the "fun" will not work.
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 21: 54 New
      0
      MIKHAN and his on x ... eh? better football or women? And then God forbid, they will call again under oath, let them agree themselves.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 30 July 2013 17: 32 New
    +6
    There is no normal life in Nagorno-Karabakh - Lukashenko

    President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko believes that there is “no normal life” in Nagorno-Karabakh, and Azerbaijan and Armenia must join forces to resolve the Karabakh conflict.


    “This requires the political will of both presidents. And the Minsk group of the mighty of this world can act as a guarantor, ”he said in an interview with Izvestia in Ukraine.

    “I am distant from Transnistria, from what is happening in Georgia, Abkhazia, Ossetia, but once I was struck by a plunge into this problem. I once arrived at the invitation of my friends in the mountains to them, showed them to me, I started a topic with a purely Belarusian approach. Nagorno-Karabakh, what it represents, how people live there, where they work. There is no normal life there. I realized this problem needs to be addressed. I talked with one president, with another. He explained that the situation could not be this long. Armenians agreed with me, I talked with Ilham Aliyev, he said that he also did not mind. Although I hate the role of mediator. I offered Ukraine for this role, but they didn’t want to, ”he said.
    http://www.tert.am/ru/news/2013/06/18/lukashenko/

    Well, who will question Lukashenko’s words, doubt ?! There are those ?!
    incidentally, the source is also Armenian
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 July 2013 17: 37 New
    +7
    Quote: Bakht
    I can say for sure that there will be no repetition of the first war. Have you seen the last parade in Baku? If the site is military, then tell me what will happen if the Tornado system gives a salvo? Or Sunflower?

    The Azerbaijani army today is not self-defense units 20 years ago. These are already established organizational structures. Which will fight under a single command. They won’t let you win. This is clear even to a hedgehog. But the losses of the parties will be huge. So the "fun" will not work.

    This is what worries me .. Azerbaijan is very belligerent (judging by many forums) Especially after the last major purchase of weapons .. Parades and even very modern equipment in the modern world are not a guarantee of a quick and lightning war (a lot of blood will be shed again) Karabakh problem with weapons not decide .. I'm 100% sure ..
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 17: 45 New
      -1
      Azerbaijan is not militant. This is all enemy propaganda. Tell yourself: having bought weapons worth billions of dollars and not using it, is it very belligerent?

      So far I see only pressure on the neighbor. In order to think it over. Azerbaijan still has strong moves on the political field. Without any declaration of war. For example, just exit the "ceasefire" mode. This does not mean that war is beginning. Just the neighbors will have to strain a lot. Maybe the belly button to untie.

      Or Exit the negotiation process. The so-called Minsk Group. These are all political steps aimed at "forcing peace." There are more options.

      And finally, "restoring constitutional order on its territory." I am not even talking about Nagorno-Karabakh. Local operation to fire the border areas. And no CSTO will help.
  • Qasimov.71
    Qasimov.71 30 July 2013 17: 38 New
    +3
    Azerbaijan is undoubtedly a profitable partner for Russia in the economic issue, unlike Armenia. But I can’t say this on the political issue. Even if the economy collapses in Armenia, the majority of the population leaves it for Russia it doesn’t matter. In Armenia, they understand this well. But what should be done Armenia is at an impasse. A quarrel with neighbors that it has a great historical connection with than Russia. We and the Armenians understand that the conflict between our peoples is not ethnic. It all started with the advent of the Russian Empire in the Caucasus. For some reason, the Armenian politicians are silent about this. Maybe they’re afraid of their patrons. We have a good saying, and the Armenians also have a good one. A good neighbor is better than a distant relative.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 17: 49 New
      +3
      The conflict is not ethnic. It is right. But Russia's arrival in the South Caucasus has nothing to do with it. It is you V. Guluzade who read it. That one else (but this is my opinion).

      Tell me why a mosque remained in Yerevan? And even acts, as far as I heard. Because Azerbaijanis from Iran often go to Armenia. That is, Armenia has a very selective attitude towards Azerbaijanis. They are welcome guests from Iran, and mortal enemies from Azerbaijan. Why is this?
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 30 July 2013 17: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Bakht
        They are welcome guests from Iran, and mortal enemies from Azerbaijan. Why is this?


        They trade with Iran, which is why they get almost everything from oil products to consumer goods.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 30 July 2013 18: 02 New
          +2
          What prevents trade with Azerbaijan or Turkey? And to receive everything "from oil products to consumer goods."
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 30 July 2013 19: 33 New
            -2
            Quote: Bakht
            What prevents trade with Azerbaijan or Turkey? And to receive everything "from oil products to consumer goods."

            Do you hope to joke or do not really know why ??
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 30 July 2013 19: 52 New
              +1
              I know. But it seems that no one else knows this except me. :-(
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 30 July 2013 18: 11 New
        +3
        Without Iran, they would have long been bent.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 30 July 2013 18: 16 New
          0
          It's right. But Armenia could easily trade with Azerbaijan. Have 300 Armenians in Baku. But they did not want this. Why?

          "See the root" - said K. Prutkov
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 30 July 2013 22: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Bakht
            It's right. But Armenia could easily trade with Azerbaijan. Have 300 Armenians in Baku. But they did not want this. Why?

            "See the root" - said K. Prutkov

            Did political scientists from Azerbaijan appear here?)))
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 40 New
              +2
              Well, what are you ... I am a simple layman.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 30 July 2013 22: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Bakht
                Well, what are you ... I am a simple layman.

                I do not believe))))))))
                I am a simple layman)))
                And you speak meaningfully, ask meaningful questions)))
                Usually this is what political scientists do, those who constantly engage in politics))
                This is no offense to you, I say, I just feel the scent)) The writing style is not just a layman))
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 57 New
                  +2
                  Common man. Honest words. Just very lazy. Therefore, I read a lot. :-)
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 30 July 2013 23: 08 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Bakht
                    Common man. Honest words. Just very lazy. Therefore, I read a lot.

                    Well, I will not insist, honestly for me it is of great importance !!
                    But you can easily become a political scientist)))
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 July 2013 18: 05 New
    0
    The topic is very sensitive .. I hope to solve it without blood .. The war and the victory of either side will not solve the problem .. (remember 08.08.08.)
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 18: 11 New
      +1
      We want to decide without blood. And they tell us that we are warlike. If that were so, we would have long released the entire ammunition load on Stepanakert and turned it into a lunar landscape.

      But this is not. What is this talking about?
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 19: 42 New
        0
        They would have let out all the ammunition for Stepanakert long ago and turned it into a lunar landscape.

        It sounds like something somewhat militant.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 30 July 2013 19: 53 New
          0
          On the contrary. There is a prefix "would."

          Nobody does it.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 19: 58 New
            -1
            The finger on the button may also flinch; people, too, you know, are prone to emotions, regardless of nationality. It’s just the fact that one side has this opportunity and the other doesn’t.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 30 July 2013 20: 01 New
              +2
              Who doesn’t?

              Armenia boasts that it has the most combat-ready army in the South Caucasus.
    2. Qasimov.71
      Qasimov.71 30 July 2013 18: 21 New
      +1
      I don’t think that the war will be five-day as if you recall. If it happens. Then it will go on a larger scale than in the regional one. Not far Syria will wait for Iran to take into account. This can accelerate the large-scale War. In which everyone will participate.
  • Qasimov.71
    Qasimov.71 30 July 2013 18: 06 New
    -2
    It is this Russian policy that is indisputable. And the second one is also Iranian policy, but what exactly is Azerbaijanis going to go there? Maybe. But what do you say they don’t believe in. We are surrounded by three empires, the fourth one is coming that no one will be in the future can say. It is a pity that others decide for us. And what will happen in the future will show. But the main thing is that our peoples will suffer. And not those who are outside.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 30 July 2013 18: 19 New
      +7
      Quote: Qasimov. 71
      We are surrounded by three empires of the fourth on the way that no one can say in the future

      Three empires, as I understand it, Russia, Turkey and Iran. And what is the fourth? which is on the way
      1. Qasimov.71
        Qasimov.71 30 July 2013 18: 46 New
        +2
        IS IT NOT AN EMPIRE?
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 30 July 2013 18: 53 New
          +5
          Quote: Qasimov. 71
          IS IT NOT AN EMPIRE?

          Geographically, the United States does not surround Azerbaijan.
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 30 July 2013 18: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Essenger
        Quote: Qasimov. 71
        We are surrounded by three empires of the fourth on the way that no one can say in the future

        Three empires, as I understand it, Russia, Turkey and Iran. And what is the fourth? which is on the way

        Good question !! I'm also interested .... maybe this is the whole point ...
      3. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 30 July 2013 18: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Essenger
        Quote: Qasimov. 71
        We are surrounded by three empires of the fourth on the way that no one can say in the future

        Three empires, as I understand it, Russia, Turkey and Iran. And what is the fourth? which is on the way

        Good question !! I'm also interested .... maybe this is the whole point ...
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 30 July 2013 19: 41 New
    +6
    Well, an article from a series of blah blah .. Here Azerbaijanis won this post in the OSCE, why ?? only declarations on the integrity of the state were adopted, well, why continue whining further.
    Yes, damn it is necessary to solve the problem while there is an old generation, the new one is completely different (although there are young people in Russia who are in contact, the trick is that Azerbaijan is strongly influenced by the radically-minded North Caucasian youth every day under Islamic slogans) And if you take for those who go to fight with the Armenians this 70-80% will remain 20-30% will go, then the Azerbaijanis will have 50-50 and moreover, those who want to go to the screams of Allah Akbar are becoming more and more, their nationalism is minimal, but their religiosity is off scale.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 19: 51 New
      +1
      Plus, because it seems too true.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 19: 46 New
    +1
    Add a comment from the Azerbaijanis,
    1. How long will it take you to return the occupied territories by military means.
    2. Whether your troops go further or stop.
    3. What will happen to the Armenians who do not have time or do not want to escape from the liberated territories.
    4. Is your victory possible and what are its chances in%.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 19: 59 New
      +2
      On this site there is no one from the environment of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. And from the planning department of the General Staff. So it’s impossible to answer your questions.

      I can only say my opinion on the 2nd and 4th issues.

      Azerbaijani troops will never go to the territory of Armenia.
      The possibility of victory is very high. The firepower of the Azerbaijan Army is very high. Morale is not weak either.
    2. alone
      alone 30 July 2013 20: 44 New
      -1
      I’ll answer you about the third point. Those Armenians who remain in the territories under our control if they want to receive Azerbaijani citizenship, subject to full compliance with our laws, will return to their homes and will live like all citizens of Azerbaijan under state protection. and those who do not want to obey the laws, well, excuse me, good riddance. and as for the first, it’s hard to say it can be within a few days (depending on the circumstances) or maybe several months. better ask the commander in chief. plans for him)))))))
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 30 July 2013 21: 04 New
      0
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Add a comment from the Azerbaijanis,
      1. How long will it take you to return the occupied territories by military means.
      2. Whether your troops go further or stop.
      3. What will happen to the Armenians who do not have time or do not want to escape from the liberated territories.
      4. Is your victory possible and what are its chances in%.

      on the second point, I can say everything will rest against the political situation, the desire will certainly be a bit on the other side to go over.
      according to the third, the ARMENIANS will not stay. The level of hatred goes off scale and everyone will cut each other, and the Armenians seem to be not suicides.
      on 4 points, do not be a XNUMX% victory in Russia.
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay 1 August 2013 17: 07 New
      +1
      Well, since no one wants to answer the first question, then I will try to answer!
      According to my calculations, three and a half weeks, and I still give a head start, taking into account that the army of Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh is * the best * in the world)))
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 July 2013 19: 51 New
    +2
    If they cling, then there will be a stranglehold .. I read the forums Armenia Azerbaijan scare they accuse each other cling to the moderators they’ll immediately wet them .. (it’s useless to reassure ..) ... And if in real life .. ?? .. hatred is how much they have accumulated .. .How do you guys think if it starts what we will do ??? Who has any opinion .. the problem is serious ..
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 19: 59 New
      +6
      Do not climb if they do not go further than the acupunated territories, these are not our dismantling and not our soldiers to solve other people's problems.
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 30 July 2013 20: 06 New
        0
        That's right. The CSTO Treaty guarantees the safety of signatories only within national borders. So the borders of Armenia will not be violated in any case. Likewise, the base in Gyumri will remain outside the conflict. There is more that Russia delivered C300 complexes to Azerbaijan (they were also shown at the parade). And teaches our national calculations.

        But you can walk through the occupied areas (there are 6 of them) with a clear conscience. Moreover, in the south there is flat terrain. Span for a tank strike in the direction of the border. If this blow succeeds, the possibilities of Armenia’s connection with Iran will sharply decrease.
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 30 July 2013 20: 22 New
    +4
    Armenia has few chances, Azerbaijan will crush.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 July 2013 20: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Kazbek
    Armenia has few chances, Azerbaijan will crush.

    South Ossetia also had little chance to survive .. bully
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    2. alone
      alone 30 July 2013 20: 46 New
      +4
      survived how? ran after your soldiers, if not for Russia, would not have survived
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 20: 51 New
        +8
        Here we have a stupid habit of helping all the weak, offended and oppressed, even to the detriment of our interests. laughing
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 30 July 2013 21: 15 New
          +4
          True noticed ..))) the mysterious Russian soul ..
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  • Druid
    Druid 30 July 2013 20: 35 New
    +2
    "I had to inform the OSCE PA delegates that more than 10 thousand Armenian refugees from Syria have found their salvation at present. That by order of the President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan the issues of their arrangement are being resolved, conditions are being created for the children of the Syrian refugee-Armenians to continue their studies. And all this is done at the expense of the state budget of Armenia, which, alas, due to the fact that the Republic of Armenia has been blockaded by Turkey and Azerbaijan for more than 20 years, is not so great. It was also necessary to note that this work is carried out without undue advertising and bulging out the enormous costs incurred, that is, in the spirit of the Christian commandment - the virtue that is spoken out loud ceases to be."- among this verbal diarrhea, as one classic put it, the author forgot to mention that the refugees from Syria were not placed in Armenia, the outflow of residents from which is catastrophic and not even in the territory of the formerly part of Nagorno-Karabakh autonomy, but in the territories of occupied Azerbaijan districts, this is not a verbal statement, and anyone can watch the footage of the Armenian television on YouTube.
    Why resettle people in the occupied Azerbaijani regions, especially refugees, that is, those who have fled from the war and have already left their settled places, why spend the scarce resources of Armenia to settle them in these territories, if the Armenians, including this genius, say they want peace and peaceful coexistence, and accordingly, in the best of circumstances, will they have to leave at least the territory of the occupied Azerbaijani regions, NEVER included in the NKAR and where the Armenians did not live compactly? ...
    "territories of Eastern Armenia - Erivan and Nakhichevan Khanates"- it’s strange, did this author even understand that he wrote or is so sure as other writers of his impunity or the exclusive right of the Armenians to historical lies? And it’s strange why the Armenians can’t come up with any name for our khanates, otherwise they stumble over it like in any way the Azerbaijanis had khans, the Armenians had princes, but kings. Suppose I am an Azerbaijani, a native of Nakhichevan, I don’t touch it G, and it begins to turn my land into the next territory of Armenia, I’ll give it to the head, they will condemn, extradite to Azerbaijan, and there they will have mercy again s dressed underwear on your head and lift op for the whole world - a killer "innocent Armenians," released Ie you can rip, humiliate offend with impunity No guys, not this time, perfectly understand that sitting in a frying pan and begin to butt roast.?.
    I will not say anything about how I burst into loyalty to Russia, let the Russians draw their own conclusions, and not even from some Russophobic articles, but just take a closer look and especially listen to the “brothers” in everyday life and understand the attitude of both the people and the country, about “Northern Armenia” is Staropol, and “Western” is Kuban I will not say anything, all the more so in the last, as far as I read, they have already received from the trunk, as well as a history lesson.
    A funny incident in life, one Russian, proved to me for a long time about historical brotherhood, about Christian brothers, everything about Armenians, as you know, when a guy of his daughter, an Armenian by nationality, brought her home to meet his own, on his return, the daughter told her father that her mother and the guy’s aunt greeted her with one expression, that is, with a question: “Are you a shameless dragged Russian prostitute into the house ?!”. More from my friend about the "eternal friendship" I have not heard.
  • Druid
    Druid 30 July 2013 20: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    South Ossetia also had little chance to survive .. bully
    Ossetians? :))) men, well, we won’t make each other laugh, where was Kokoit and his guard I hope we all know :) Where will the parts of the Armenian army also be?

    In principle, Azerbaijan does not need to fight, it is necessary to declare a mobilization and wait until the Armenians, declaring it in response, eat each other from hunger :)
    1. alone
      alone 30 July 2013 20: 56 New
      +3
      druid, Mikhan knows everything perfectly himself, my friend the Russian participant in this war told me how they returned the Ossetians with kicks towards Tskhinval))) Mikhan is just malevolently joking))))
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 21: 27 New
        +3
        You shouldn’t talk about Ossetians in vain, you won’t call them sheep for slaughter, you don’t need to crack the peaceful city defended by the "police", but note that they put up armed resistance, and the Ukrainian tanks were burning and fighting, they did the main thing ... stupid to demand more, with Kalash against tanks and planes you will not get much war. And according to the situation ... I talked with a participant in these events and heard from him the following: "I don’t understand why you Russians came to help us, because it was we in 90 who soldered your country with left alcohol and vodka"
        1. alone
          alone 30 July 2013 21: 53 New
          +4
          but the fact is that they were already holding at the Rocky tunnel, surrendering almost everything. if it weren’t for the 58th, they couldn’t hold out. let’s look at things objectively. and I don’t call them sheep for slaughter. The forces were unequal, and the firepower was on the side of the Georgians
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 22: 17 New
            -2
            sorry correct, "Rodents"
            1. alone
              alone 31 July 2013 21: 04 New
              +4
              but amuse themselves over the name of the people is not beautiful. Georgia is not only Saakashvili and his team. You have a big minus for this)))
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 21: 23 New
                -1
                I bet you deserve it, but the people choose the ruler, the people also support its decisions, and the people also bear responsibility for its actions, I was in Georgia shortly before the August war, and each of them told me that soon they ..... understand? They were almost completely for (one of the reasons why I leave my stupid kament in this thread), although they knew that our peacekeepers were standing there and they didn’t kill my fellow citizens, they killed his people and not 1 person did it, that's why for me they are now RODENTS, we can conflict, argue, even wave our fists for example with Ukraine, but their president, whatever he was wrong in my opinion, did not give an order to kill sailors in the Crimea .... That's why for me they are Ukrainians.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 31 July 2013 21: 31 New
                  +6
                  Quote: tilovaykrisa
                  Bet you deserve it, but the people are choosing the ruler, the people are also supporting in its decisions, and the people are also responsible for its actions, I was in Georgia shortly before the August war, and each of them told me that they would be soon.

                  You correctly noted this!
                  But you must admit that after the collapse of the USSR, the leadership of Russia did everything possible to further spoil relations with Georgia and not only Georgia !!
                  Here some write that they should have done something in favor of us, they said we would have done later!
                  This is ridiculous!!
                  Everything was done so that in some republics Russia does not remain sympathetic!
                  What they wanted, they got it!
                  1. tilovaykrisa
                    tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 21: 37 New
                    +2
                    It doesn’t sound patriotic, and I personally think that I didn’t deserve such a ruler who was at that moment like a million of my fellow citizens who were ready to tear him to pieces, but as I wrote above, apparently we deserved him and at the moment of history we’re dissolving it ... but . THERE was one sensible comment here, a person wants to solve the problem by any methods so that it does not pass on to his children, and so I think the same.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 31 July 2013 21: 58 New
                      +5
                      Quote: tilovaykrisa
                      a person wants to solve the problem by any method so that it does not pass on to his children, and so I think the same.

                      I agree again!
                      But here’s what I mean, I remember at the beginning of the 90s a conversation of one general when he said that Georgia and Shevarnadze would pay for Germany !!
                      I just think that a policy hostile to Russia was conducted in Russia!
                      Having so many opportunities to influence neighboring republics in order to attract them, everything was done to alienate them!
                      Look at the referendum on the preservation of the USSR in Azerbaijan, the majority of the population spoke in favor, by the way the only republic in Transcaucasia!
                      A little over 20 years have passed, let's conduct a survey again and it is unlikely that 5 percent will also speak out now !!
                      I think why do you understand!
                      1. tilovaykrisa
                        tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 22: 10 New
                        +1
                        What do you want? you don’t be offended, but remember your story, the Russian people were the cement that kept all the other nations at rest, but the shitty manager who destroyed this cement came up, and the question arose of whether this cement is needed at all or if it should be removed as unfit material, we got into such trouble that we don’t just care about relationships in the long run, we had to think about survival, we tried to remove this cement, without exception, that's all! Your fled to Baku they were given at least some compensation, but where did my relatives run to? in the Volga steppe? or to Moscow? Where are we going to lose millions of my Russian brothers? It was not up to you, we needed to save ourselves. And about 5%, so if the steering wheel is not stupid, then you can catch up to 50%.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 July 2013 21: 38 New
    +5
    Okay hot Azerbaijani guys .. I don’t want to argue with you .. Think for yourself .. decide for yourself .. (The main thing is that it wouldn’t work out “We wanted the best .. it turned out as always ...))) No offense !!!
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 01 New
      +2
      The most interesting thing is that the "hot Azerbaijani guys" do not want to fight. Throughout this discussion, there are no calls for war. Aggressive Azerbaijan exists in the imagination of some journalists and politicians.

      How did it all start? In the article, the horror story "Do not accept us into the Eurasian Union - there will be a war." Why this is not clear. The author has a wild fantasy. Or blackmail.

      The reason and reason for the war has been around for 20 years. And only because of the peacefulness of Azerbaijan, there is no war yet. By the way, my opinion is that political methods have not yet been exhausted. But they are not endless. 20 years is a long time.

      Russia has absolutely no incentive to get into our affairs. If the Russians believe that Armenia is their ally, then let them take an interest in how many Russian schools in Armenia and how many in Azerbaijan.

      Quote from K. Myalo "Russia and the last wars of the twentieth century"

      “In Armenia, the purity of the experiment was aggravated by the fact that in this, the most mononational of all the republics of the former USSR, there was, accordingly, no ground for real contradictions between the Russian-speaking and, so to speak,“ titular-speaking ”(which took place in the Baltic states, Moldova, Central Asia, Ukraine), and the persecution of the Russian language was carried out, so to speak, from the principle. The newspaper "Voice of Armenia", describing the situation, wrote on March 29, 1991: "..." Persecution of the language ", - so paraphrasing the words of Griboedov, one can obviously determine the relation recently, the attitude towards the Russian language in our republic ... More and more indignant voices of other deputies are heard: why do we have so many monuments to Russian writers? "

      And in another place: "... The measure of patriotic feelings is the degree of rejection of all Russian: that is, the more I hate the Russian language, Russian books, Russian broadcasts, Russian newspapers, etc., the greater I am a patriot" ("Republic of Armenia ", 1991, No. 32).

      The Russian edition in the leading state publishing house of the republic was liquidated, and the first politically colored act of vandalism regarding the monument to Pushkin was committed in Armenia; almost simultaneously, a monument to Chekhov was demolished.

      And after gaining independence, nowhere else, even in the Baltic States, did Russian schools close as massively and unconditionally as in Armenia (Western Ukraine is the only analogy). "


      Azerbaijan also had persecution of the Russian language, but not so much. It is enough to say that the Russian language has been preserved even in some government agencies. For example, at the Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan, Russian is used more often than Azerbaijani.

      This is just an indicator of attitude towards Russia. You can find negative reviews. But not at the official level. Just as always, Russia is not quite right in choosing its allies.

      No offense !!!!!
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 22: 38 New
        +3
        I live in a multinational country, for a number of reasons I communicate with 3 Ayzerbadzhan families, neighbors, work, and at home (the owner of the Ayzerbadzhan parking lot), so this is what catches the eye right away, for those over 40 already have something behind them and fight for apparently it’s not against, but not only by themselves and not their children, as well, of course, Armenians should be punished, and with a mass buoy, they will reluctantly creak their hearts, but only if the children stay at home. Their children from 16 to 23-26, on the contrary, are waiting for a war with some kind of impatience, they say we will even get even for everything, and look at the questions for what exactly in response to the genocide, without looking at the type of wiki. And radicalism is also present, I asked them many times, well, will you enter the lands taken from you and then what? The answer is also what they did to us .... but they don’t even know what they were doing .. Wiki certainly drags but not in such matters. I ask you not to be offended by Aiserbatzhentsev, but personally my opinion is that you have a lot of money in the country and they have all been distributed for a long time but several generations of young people are growing up who are far from your 40 year olds, who are able to think objectively, capable of dialogue, who have a good education and remembering, besides hatred, the grief of war, and this young generation threatens to redistribute your power pie that no one needs, steam in the boiler must be lowered otherwise the boiler will break, here is your power and trying to kill 2 hares, it will turn out well (let the young 50000-100000 will die) it doesn’t matter, after all, it’s not the elite’s children who will be at the forefront (you won’t go from everywhere to Armenians), you won’t be able to win back, well, then another problem will be removed from the agenda + another charge of young airborne hatred.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 47 New
          +3
          3 families are not an indicator. And 30 too. Although I must admit that somewhere you are right. Unfortunately, the level of hatred goes off scale. And now it makes no sense to justify ourselves by the fact that we did not start. We have what we have.

          I wrote that the fighting spirit of the Azerbaijani army is quite high. And they mow down from the army and lawlessness in the army happens. Just like everyone else. But in general, the combat efficiency of the Army is up to standard. Technical equipment too.

          The country's leadership is not looking for war. But this cannot go on endlessly. Would you agree to 20 years of occupation, say, of the Far East? The country's leadership is oppressed by public opinion. And time is running out. It is high time for Armenia to draw conclusions. Here it will turn out so that no leadership can keep the officers. Ceasefire violations occur almost daily.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 23: 06 New
            0
            Well then, be prepared to fully experience the principle of “he who seeks war finds it”. Not a single country in the world has been able to resolve its territorial claims forever through war, not one. You have no choice, or all under the knife or the situation, on the contrary, is another 20-30 years. I already wrote above about why in due time the army of the SA helped exactly the Armenians (bad PR). They will not fall under you as if you did not want it, just as you did not lie under them, but they thought about the same.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 30 July 2013 23: 15 New
              0
              Well, if no country was able to solve their problems by war, then I am calm. Sooner or later, Armenia will lose.

              You somehow forget that in addition to Nagorno-Karabakh, there are 6 more purely Azerbaijani plains that Armenia occupies. I am talking only about them so far. We are not looking for war. They imposed it on us. And we are suffering.

              Unfortunately, I did not read what you wrote about SA. But I know that from time to time the CA also helped Baku. By direct order from Moscow. As always, politicians turned the generals. We do not need them to lie under us. There is a normal settlement plan. Armenia does not recognize him. A few more years and the spring will burst. Is Azerbaijan to blame?

              And the war, if it is, will be fleeting. Nobody will allow to mess around for a long time. Neither America nor Russia. But in 3-4 days it will be possible to grind a lot of things. You must have seen Pinocchio or Solntsepek on commercials.
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 23: 21 New
                +2
                Do you know why Baku helped? The answer is simple, do not blame yourself for being blunt: you were considered "thugs", but as soon as the situation went in favor of Armenia, it became clear that your abstruse Muslim stiffness was greatly exaggerated and Christians were quite capable of creating chaos, and it was at that moment that they realized that they had entered into such g ... that my mother is not grieving, and I’ll say even more frankly, without mediation and frank military assistance from Baku, the acupuncture zone would not be 20 km but much more, only the conflict would have flared up a long time ago. We found an acceptable "at that time" compromise.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 30 July 2013 23: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: tilovaykrisa
                  You were considered "thugs" but as soon as the situation went

                  why on earth ???
                  What equipment ??
                  You are completely off topic !!
                  This is the first time you have come to this topic on this site !! ??
                  Territories were occupied precisely with the help of Russia!
                  If Russia didn’t intervene, it would have been the same way that, from time immemorial, Armenia had been losing memory of the friendship of peoples! Peoples !!))
                2. Bakht
                  Bakht 30 July 2013 23: 35 New
                  0
                  You are mistaken here.

                  Don’t blame me if I don’t say everything to myself. But I know the reason why the SA troops stopped. I know firsthand. No thugs. This is all the horror stories of journalists. Cruelties were on both sides. I don’t know if you can find on the Internet the book of Karakaplan (Altaf Gyulakhmedov) "One-eyed owl is more expensive to Hell." A terrible book. But 100% true.

                  And there could be no enlarged zone of occupation. There are laws of war. Armenia overcame by then. Density of troops fell to a minimum. Bitterly write about that time. But they did not win. We lost it. And this is more of a politics than a military side of things.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 30 July 2013 23: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Bakht
                    Ugly book

                    Have you fought ???
                    I know Altaf!
                    I read a couple of pages and then threw the book away !!
                    There is not 100 percent true!
                    many took for fashion to belittle our soldiers!
                    I’ve never seen better than our soldiers !!!!
                    I assure you very often he writes unapproachably mildly to say unchecked things !!
                    He is a good fighter, philosopher, poet, but to describe the war is not his !!
                    Quote: Bakht
                    And there could be no enlarged zone of occupation.

                    Just a couple of months and we would tear apart the Armenian fascists to shreds !!
                    What kind of cruelty were on our part ??
                    Do not write nonsense!
                    1. Bakht
                      Bakht 30 July 2013 23: 44 New
                      -1
                      I don’t know Altaf personally. He had correspondence with him at the request of his colleague. If you fought with him, then we will find mutual friends.

                      But I believe him. And I like his book.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 31 July 2013 00: 03 New
                        0
                        Quote: Bakht
                        I don’t know Altaf personally. He had correspondence with him at the request of his colleague. If you fought with him, then we will find mutual friends.

                        I personally did not fight with him, but we know each other!
                        You do not confuse atrocities over civilians that the Armenian fascists loved to do and cut the throat of an armed soldier of an enemy !!
                        As for books, everyone has their own taste, but you should not take fiction for memoirs!
                      2. Bakht
                        Bakht 31 July 2013 00: 19 New
                        0
                        I did not mean the case that Altaf described.

                        Let us leave this topic for now. I do not think his book is documentary. I just like his book. By emotions, intensity and patriotism. I hope this is in his book.
              2. Gari
                Gari 31 July 2013 00: 01 New
                0
                Quote: tilovaykrisa
                the abstraction of Muslim rigidity is greatly exaggerated, and Christians are quite capable of creating chaos,

                Dear cruelty breeds cruelty
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 31 July 2013 00: 20 New
                  +3
                  How are you right. This is what we must always remember.
              3. alone
                alone 31 July 2013 00: 15 New
                +1
                they helped Baku only once. After the referendum on the preservation of the USSR that was held on March 5, 1991, they didn’t do it all the way. Otherwise, they helped only the Armenian side.
                1. Gari
                  Gari 31 July 2013 00: 46 New
                  -1
                  Quote: lonely
                  and the rest only helped the Armenian side.

                  Even the sad, famous Operation Ring helped the 328th Airborne Regiment (in 1993 the regiment was relocated from Kirovabad to Ulyanovsk). In 1992, he fought in the Karabakh conflict on the side of Azerbaijan. Participated in the summer offensive of Azerbaijani troops, and the commander was, oddly enough, the current Airborne Commander-General Shamanov
                  1. alone
                    alone 31 July 2013 15: 52 New
                    +5
                    I’m a participant in the summer offensive and I didn’t see any paratroopers with a shaman there. The operation was controlled by the Soviet troops, notice on the territory of the USSR, and how many weapons and ammunition were captured from the “peaceful” Armenian population? Russian participation in the Karabakh conflict on the side of Azerbaijan is a fiction of your propagandists to explain the large losses of the Armenian forces during the summer offensive in 1992
                    1. Gari
                      Gari 31 July 2013 16: 02 New
                      -2
                      Quote: lonely
                      Russian participation in the Karabakh conflict on the side of Azerbaijan is a fiction of your propagandists,

                      Vladimir Anatolievich Shamanov from 1991 to 1994 - commander of the 328th regiment (in 1993 the regiment was relocated from Kirovabad to Ulyanovsk). In 1992, he fought in the Karabakh conflict on the side of Azerbaijan. Participated in the summer offensive of Azerbaijani troops
                      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Шаманов,_Владимир_Анатольевич
                      In 1991, he was promoted to Ganja (Azerbaijan), to the 104th Airborne Division, where he received the 328th Airborne Regiment under the command. The division, before its withdrawal in 1993, “pacified” Karabakh, working on the side of the Azerbaijanis - of course, this was the installation of Moscow. So our hero has the first combat experience, although specific, - the sweep experience. And in the summer of 1992, the paratroopers broke into the Armenian defense, ensuring the advance of the Azerbaijani forces. A number of division officers then showed off with high Azerbaijani orders on their chests, including Shamans.
                      http://www.compromat.ru/page_27980.htm
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                    3. alone
                      alone 31 July 2013 21: 10 New
                      +2
                      the 703rd, 701th, 708th brigades of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan participated in the operation, there were no paratroopers there. name the name of the order of Azerbaijan which was awarded to shamans, and I will publicly apologize to you. and the Russian awarded officers were Russian living in azerbaijan. a citizen of azerbaijan. azerbaijan a multinational country. dozens of peoples live here, unlike mono-ethnic Armenia
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                    5. alone
                      alone 31 July 2013 21: 23 New
                      +4
                      after that, Russian officers from the division could not show off the orders of Azerbaijan. A decree regarding the creation of orders was issued on November 10, 1992.
                      years, the division left mine in May 1993, the first awards began to be issued in 1994. all that is connected with the shaman is a pure fiction.
                    6. tilovaykrisa
                      tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 21: 40 New
                      +1
                      Throw it to you, dear, such always and in all armies wagon and cart, betrayal of politicians is not news.
                    7. alone
                      alone 31 July 2013 23: 29 New
                      +2
                      I tell you this as a direct participant in the offensive. The Russians were not denying local. Citizens of Azerbaijan.
              4. Yarbay
                Yarbay 31 July 2013 19: 28 New
                +3
                Quote: lonely
                I am a participant in the summer offensive and have not seen any paratroopers with a shaman there.

                That's right!
                Quote: lonely
                The operation of the ring was led by the operation of the Soviet troops, notice in the USSR, and how many weapons and ammunition were captured from the "peaceful" Armenian population?

                In addition, the civilian population thanked the soldiers and officers that they saved them from bandits!
                During the passport regime check, dozens of bandits from Armenia were identified on the ground !! And the operation was carried out by the Soviet units of the explosives with the support of the local riot police!
                No crimes were committed !!
                Quote: lonely
                Russian participation in the Karabakh conflict on the side of Azerbaijan is a fiction of your propagandists to explain the large losses of the Armenian forces during the summer offensive in 1992

                It's even funny to discuss!
                You are absolutely right!
  • Apollo
    Apollo 30 July 2013 23: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    I live in a multinational country, for several reasons I communicate with 3 Iserbadzhan families


    I’m looking through all your comments and everywhere the same mistake ....... Are you intentionally distorting the name of my state ?!
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 23: 27 New
      -1
      3 ka at the school of geography, excuse me, but there was 5 for NVP.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 July 2013 23: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        3 ka at the school of geography, excuse me, but there was 5 for NVP.

        This is not an indicator of knowledge not in the first or in the second subject)))
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 30 July 2013 22: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Bakht
    The most interesting thing is that the "hot Azerbaijani guys" do not want to fight.

    Why do I want to !!
    I guess I'm not enough * hot *!
    Definitely and war !!
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 22: 49 New
      +2
      Your symptoms will be cured faster than the flu, and D. House will not be needed, the treatment in your case is the same and true.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 July 2013 22: 54 New
        -2
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        Your symptoms will cure faster than the flu, and you won’t need D

        Well try to cure))))))))))
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 23: 09 New
          +1
          What for? I am not your doctor, there will be specialized (regional) specialists for your ailment.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 30 July 2013 23: 34 New
            0
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            What for? I am not your doctor, there will be specialized (regional) specialists for your ailment.

            When to find then and talk about it)))))
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 13: 30 New
              0
              I’d better write something short, sentimental, like it was a good person .......
    2. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 53 New
      0
      I dare not interfere. :-)
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 31 July 2013 00: 24 New
    -1
    Quote: Bakht
    The most interesting thing is that the "hot Azerbaijani guys" do not want to fight.

    Well, I wouldn’t say it so confidently for everyone. I clearly decided for myself that I would go, although I live in Russia and that's it, but I won’t be able to look into the eyes of my countrymen and call myself an Azerbaijani eraz. these are natural peyseri. I know a lot of guys who will definitely go, but also those who will not go and now I remember the last ones better for the future.
    Quote: Bakht
    Throughout this discussion, there are no calls for war.

    Because there is a factor in Russia and everyone understands this and there is no sense in calling for a suicide war, if there weren’t this factor, the people would speak differently with the authorities, which are delaying the release.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 30 July 2013 21: 44 New
    +5
    Yes, sracha did not work and it pleases. hi
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 21: 51 New
      -1
      There are no subscribers, everyone hid.
    2. alone
      alone 30 July 2013 21: 54 New
      +3
      Well, yes. It always turned out in any way)))
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 July 2013 22: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Bakht
    This is just an indicator of attitude towards Russia. You can find negative reviews. But not at the official level. Simple as always Russia does not quite rightly choose its allies.

    No offense !!!!!

    We are not offended .. We are just watching the “former” .... Now Russia is increasing its military, political and economic power .. And most importantly, our Allies are always the same at all times Army Fleet Strategic Missile Forces!And it always works without fail .. Here we have things .. hehe
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 20 New
      0
      Alexander III is right, as always.

      Things are getting better with you, but there are microseisms that do not allow an unambiguous conclusion. But personally, I will sleep calmer if my northern neighbor regains its former power.

      So I wish you every success. But today you have lost the South Caucasus. Maybe someone will say that it’s not scary. But I think that without a North-South link you will find it difficult.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 22: 47 New
        -2
        As they gave it back and will return, there is no problem to get hold of empty land for development.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 53 New
          +1
          Empty land has long been gone. :-(
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 23: 11 New
            -6
            While there is a Strategic Missile Forces there is an opportunity for the development of empty land.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 30 July 2013 23: 20 New
              +1
              You can’t learn a lot in OZK :-). I know, I did a 10 km march in it. Then he poured water from boots. No exaggeration.
  • Black
    Black 30 July 2013 22: 20 New
    +3
    A peaceful settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is possible only with the simultaneous entry of Armenia and Azerbaijan into the Customs Union of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus with further unification in the Common Economic Space and the Eurasian Union.

    Yes Yes. Gop to the heap !!! All this is the USSR. All-prokali! Everyone wanted independence. Bay, padishahi ...
    Okay, the Baltic states, they will catch their sprats, there is nothing to share, they are up to Russia.
    And Central Asia, the Caucasus shed blood, .. and it’s evident that they will shed a lot of things ... For what?
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well, what will the "former" fraternal peoples fight for Karabakh again ???

    This is unlikely ... Now, if only the Americans will be honed to study ...
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 24 New
      +1
      This is nonsense by the author.

      Azerbaijan believes otherwise. Something like this

      "A peaceful solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is possible only with the immediate and buzulny (that is, without conditions) liberation of the 6 occupied regions of Azerbaijan. And only after that political consultations with the Armenian community of Nagorno-Karabakh on a peaceful resolution of the conflict."
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 July 2013 22: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Bakht
        A peaceful solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is possible only with the immediate and buzuslovny (that is, without conditions) release of 6 occupied regions of Azerbaijan.

        So all the same * hot * guys want to fight under certain conditions or not anyway ??
        You write ambiguously and your personal position is not clear to me!
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 30 July 2013 22: 55 New
          -2
          And what, in my proposal is a call to war?

          My opinion is that diplomatic methods are not exhausted. Even a way out of the cessation of war is not war itself.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 30 July 2013 23: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Bakht
            And what, in my proposal is a call to war?

            No, it is clearly written here that a PEACEFUL resolution of the conflict is possible only with the immediate and unconditional release of the occupied territories!
            If this is the position of my country, then in my opinion it means that * hot guys * are ready to fight or not ??
            You wrote a little Above a little differently or I did not understand you correctly ??
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 30 July 2013 23: 27 New
              +2
              I can’t talk about all the Azerbaijani guys. Moreover, in at least one case, I was mistaken :-)

              Peaceful liberation of 6 lowland areas is an unconditional demand of the Azerbaijan side. Is the conflict connected with Nagorno-Karabakh? This is what needs to be discussed.

              And then some "hot Armenian guys" claim that we won’t refund what was won by the sword. Then, of course, you have to fight. And since the war will be fought on Azerbaijani territory, there should be no reason for CSTO intervention. So there is no need to violate the border of Armenia.

              Do not misunderstand me. I am a dove. But pigeons sometimes fight violently. Already feathers are flying.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 30 July 2013 23: 52 New
                +2
                Quote: Bakht
                Do not misunderstand me. I am a dove. But pigeons sometimes fight violently. Already feathers are flying.

                So I am a dove)))
                But never does this concern an attack on my country or its occupation !!
                I nevermind who will try to attack, America, Mongolia, China !! I will be in the forefront !!
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 22: 52 New
      -1
      Yes, let them hear, let them bomb, and in frenzied rage we beat a dozen 2 pulses, and then we change them for all received. Political. in the UK, at the same time we’ll check with s400 versus f 35, and the submarines can be run in quiet against their augs, because the submarines, that is, Armenia and Ayzerbajan and Turkey with Iran, can’t tell where the torpedo came from with yao.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 July 2013 23: 16 New
        +2
        Minus deserve to acknowledge laughing
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 30 July 2013 23: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          Minus deserve to acknowledge

          This is a plus for recognition)))))))
          minus was mine too)))
          1. Odessitka
            Odessitka 30 July 2013 23: 56 New
            +3
            Alibek, changed her avatar, did not recognize laughing
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 31 July 2013 00: 08 New
              +4
              Quote: Odessitka
              Alibek, changed her avatar, did not recognize

              Hi Esther !!!!
              How glad I am to see you)))))
              Avatar turned out to be plagiarized)))))
              The man I respected turned out to be the same, or rather, he had it before !!
      2. alone
        alone 30 July 2013 23: 19 New
        +1
        which boats, which c400. click on the buttons and all over. Do you think the war between Russia and the United States will be similar to the Second World War?))))
  • Selevc
    Selevc 30 July 2013 23: 06 New
    +5
    An alternative to Armenia’s entry into the Eurasian Union is war

    A very interesting title of the article - although the article itself is quite boring, sophisticated and official !!!
    But how will Armenia enter the Eurasian Union with or without Karabakh? And if he enters there together with Azerbaijan, then someone naively thinks that Azerbaijan will put up with a huge "hole" in the center of its own state?

    The article does not give any answers at all to the main question - How to solve the Karabakh puzzle?
    Under Stalin, they would have decided simply - the discontented would simply be evicted from their territories and drawn a new border between Armenia and Azerbaijan - this, by the way, is the most PEACEFUL way !!!
    And the war threatens to drag out if for years or maybe decades - as a result of at least a thousand dead on both sides and the UN Blue Helmets in Karabakh (Yugoslav version) ... And most importantly, the conflict will not be resolved, but only frozen for an indefinite period and this is already threatens to turn into The war of generations !!!
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 31 July 2013 11: 09 New
      +8
      Quote: Selevc
      Under Stalin, they would have decided simply - those who were displeased would simply be evicted from their territories and drawn a new border between Armenia and Azerbaijan - this, by the way, is the PEACEFUL way !!!



      under Stalin in 1948, the leadership of Armenia raised this question ... and Stalin answered - if you want Nagorno-Karabakh, where the Armenians mainly live, then I will return to Azerbaijan all those regions of Armenia where Azerbaijanis primarily live ..... smile the question was resolved by itself .... laughing
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 31 July 2013 11: 26 New
        +1
        And after that he evicted hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. My aunt is one of those same immigrants 48-49 years.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 31 July 2013 04: 21 New
    +4
    Maybe Azerbaijan will not have to fight for Karabakh, the Armenians themselves will leave from there to earn money in our HOLY RUSSIA MATUS, the Karabakh will be depopulated and it will be populated by Azerbaijanis.
    and GREATLY ARMENIA disappeared slowly until it was completely blown away. laughing
    1. Gari
      Gari 31 July 2013 09: 11 New
      -2
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      Armenians themselves will leave from there to earn money in our HOLY RUSSIA MATUSHA

      Well, Azerbaijanis also left for Russia, so what will happen to Karabakh in your opinion
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 31 July 2013 09: 08 New
    +3
    It’s sad to read such comments on the very painful problem of two once friendly nations. And these references to the OSCE are simply naive. Because the OSCE PA has become the most ardent conductor of Western ideas for dismembering the USSR, and the representatives of the Helsinki group, headed by Alexeyeva, who has lost her mind, are just doing that they’re spoiling us. Yes, and in general, the whole idea with the Helsinki agreements was slipped to the leadership of the USSR with one purpose in order to do their tricks behind this "smoke screen". It is time to get out of this "club of absurdity" - bring only harm to us all from it.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 31 July 2013 14: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      It is sad to read such comments on the very painful problem of two once friendly nations

      Yes, our peoples have never been friendly !!
      As soon as the Armenians felt the weakness, they began to slaughter civilians, as soon as they got the teeth remembered the friendship of peoples !!
  • individual
    individual 31 July 2013 10: 11 New
    +7
    The author does not recall how Armenia was among the first republics to leave the USSR.
    Now rushing between Russia, the EU and the United States in search of dividends for survival.
    What about Russia? Well, Russia, as always, has helped and will help Armenia, swallowing grievances from the unrighteous awarding of the Order of Honor to Saakashvili, which is the highest state award of Armenia.
    1. alone
      alone 31 July 2013 10: 15 New
      +1
      Well, do not help, who and what makes you?
  • воронов
    воронов 31 July 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    In the comments I look gathered “great specialists” in the Caucasus, but I’m sure that most of these figures did not serve, did not fight, and if it was only as tourists in Abkhazia, Nalchik, Kislovodsk, Pyatigorsk, Minvody laughing
  • ed65b
    ed65b 31 July 2013 10: 23 New
    0
    Or maybe you will lease us Karabakh for rent? we will quickly relocate Armenians to their historical homeland, return the lands around Karabakh, transfer the base from Gyumri and live on living and gain good. wink
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 31 July 2013 10: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: ed65b
      Or maybe you will lease us Karabakh for rent?



      no really smile if something gets close to you, then you will return the FIGs back ......... laughing
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 31 July 2013 11: 30 New
        +1
        We will return the honest word wink I swear by the neighboring piglet.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 31 July 2013 12: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: ed65b
          I swear by the neighboring piglet.


          laughing it seems we’ll eat it all the same ............ drinks
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 31 July 2013 13: 36 New
            +2
            Who is it with minuses climbs to us at a social party? Gentlemen, only with cognac, we ask for the table. drinks
            1. alone
              alone 31 July 2013 14: 04 New
              +3
              mmm, there’s a feast with a piglet, and the third one will not bother you with your bottle?)))))) drinks
              1. ed65b
                ed65b 31 July 2013 14: 20 New
                +1
                Always welcome guests, join. hi
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 31 July 2013 14: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: ed65b
              Who is it with minuses creeps to us at a social party



              this is Harry .... smile he is angry because we started to master the pig at the beginning of the August, and he will arrive at the party only at the end of August .... laughing
              By the way, right now, I would also have a can of Armenian cognac, which I lost to the Stoic drinks ... the truth is long gone, probably still he is in the RDG behind our troops ... fellow ..
              1. Gari
                Gari 31 July 2013 15: 33 New
                -3
                Quote: smersh70
                this is harry

                Good afternoon, guys, I just came what a minus, someone myself slapped a minus why I don’t know who really doesn’t like that we find a common language no matter what
                Quote: smersh70
                because we started to master the pig at the beginning of the August, and he will arrive at the party only at the end of August ....

                if you invite, then I’ll come to Batumi in early August, I won’t miss this, I’ll come with the promise of cognac and good home-made vodka from me
  • Bakht
    Bakht 31 July 2013 10: 33 New
    +1
    “Apparently, such fundamental principles as“ non-use of force or threats of force ”, or“ peaceful settlement of disputes ”, or“ non-interference in internal affairs ”, or“ equal rights and the right of peoples to control their fate ”and others were not so relevant for the head of the General Committee on Political Affairs and Security (hereinafter referred to as the First Committee) of Ms. Lindetam. "

    Here is a sample of perverse logic.

    Non-use of force or threat of force - Armenia used force and even now there are figures in Armenia who claim that they CONQUERED Karabakh.

    Non-interference in internal affairs - Armenia violated by interfering in the internal affairs of Azerbaijan

    equality and the right of peoples to control their fate - Armenia violated by refusing to Azerbaijanis of Nagorno-Karabakh to control their fate.
  • Druid
    Druid 31 July 2013 10: 47 New
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    Why do you think that nobody calls for war in Azerbaijan? There are different points of view, some for military operations, others believe that they will simply strangle Armenia with a quiet glanders, while others believe that both of the first methods should be combined, the end of which will be the liberation of the occupied territories during the military operation.
    Quote: Bakht
    Peaceful liberation of 6 lowland areas is an unconditional demand of the Azerbaijan side. Is the conflict connected with Nagorno-Karabakh? This is what needs to be discussed.
    The Armenians cling to the fact that it was not easy to compactly live in Karabakh, but had autonomy, but this is formalism, Azerbaijanis also lived compactly in what is now Armenia, but were expelled. Yes, they did not have formal autonomy, but they lived on the lands of their ancestors, and not on the lands of the mythical Greater Armenia. I repeat All Azerbaijanis are expelled from their lands, so what kind of "status of Nagorno-Karabakh" can be talked about, what kind of Armenians on the territory of Azerbaijan, except for the wives of Azerbaijanis and old people, while there refugees Azerbaijanis expelled from their historical lands in the territory of present-day Armenia, there can be talk now?! Armenians will be able to live compactly in any part of Azerbaijan, not earlier than the Azerbaijanis will be able to return to their lands and live in Armenia, and this also applies to the Karabakh Armenians, including the whole rabble, or rather the hostages that the compassionate dragged to Karabakh "Armenian authorities.
    I will continue
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    Well then, be prepared to fully experience the principle of “he who seeks war finds it”. Not a single country in the world has been able to resolve its territorial claims forever through war, not one. You have no choice, or all under the knife or the situation, on the contrary, is another 20-30 years.
    At the same time, I hope you understand that Azerbaijan has been put in such a situation, but did not want it. And the resettlement of any rabble from Syria and Lebanon on the territory of the occupied Azerbaijani regions is an Armenian preparation for the future. What’s the matter, and in ideological fortels they are experts, tomorrow these Armenians (from Syria, Lebanon, etc.) will be shown on all TV channels with stories about their bitter fate and “ethnic cleansing” arranged by Azerbaijanis, well, such as you picking up this lie and lifting its nose to the ceiling, you will walk as prophets - they say they predicted that the Azerbaijanis would put "everyone under the knife", etc., etc.
    Well, I allow myself to disagree with the first statement, rather, on the contrary, NOT ONE COUNTRY OF THE WORLD WAS ABLE TO RETURN OCCUPIED TERRITORIES BY NEGOTIATIONS OR WITH THE MEDIATION OF INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.

    Well, in conclusion. I can write anything, BUT. Any head of Azerbaijan, after all, is an Azerbaijani who is not for the sake of blah blah blah, but will seriously begin to discuss some status of Karabakh - a traitor. We are all modern people, all humanists, but I repeat, until the Azerbaijanis can return and live on their lands that have become part of today's Armenia, the Armenians in Azerbaijan have nothing to do. And this will be the result of the war, and no atrocities are needed and will not be, the civilian population itself will leave Karabakh to catch up with the soldiers of the Armenian army, and in 90% of cases, they themselves have heard enough of the horror stories about the evil Turks since childhood, well, or in the goods, as the Azerbaijanis left at one time their homes in Armenia.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 31 July 2013 11: 01 New
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      The fact that there are different opinions in Azerbaijan is normal. Complete unanimity is only in the cemetery. Even at party meetings, it was 99,9%. :-)

      Only one clarification to your message. The leaders of Azerbaijan (in particular the President) have repeatedly stated their readiness to grant Nagorno-Karabakh the maximum status of autonomy. And no one calls them traitors.

      Azerbaijan is ready to provide autonomy of a very wide level. The issue of federation is a novelty that has not yet been tested in forums and negotiations. For example, Russia is a Federation. This is of course a compromise, but it can be discussed.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 31 July 2013 11: 33 New
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        Quote: Bakht
        Russia is a Federation. This is of course a compromise, but it can be discussed.

        The Russian Federation is not subject to discussion. As a unitary state, Russia will receive nothing besides civil.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 31 July 2013 11: 52 New
          0
          I agree. No one is discussing Russia. I just cited as an example that in some cases - the Federation is the only way out.
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 31 July 2013 12: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Bakht
            I agree. No one is discussing Russia. I just cited as an example that in some cases - the Federation is the only way out.

            Maybe you’re right, only a discussion of the federal structure can take place under the territorial control of the whole country, I guess, maybe I’m mistaken. On the other hand, Azerbaijan is not such a huge country territorially and be healthy there and everyone will want autonomies, republics, territories, districts . No, not an option. only a unitary state.
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 31 July 2013 13: 14 New
              +1
              Control over the entire country is a prerequisite for any state. So there is no mistake. The federal structure does not depend on the size of the state. For example, Switzerland. Such a mechanism as absenteeism can be provided for in the Constitution. There is a difference between the Federation and the Confederation. Surely such a mechanism is provided for in Russia. And in other federal states. For example, Quebec repeatedly raises the issue of withdrawal. Toronto is not opposed, but puts such economic restrictions that it flies a pretty penny. Now we will witness how Scotland will withdraw from the UK. London will lower the trousers from them and set them free.

              This way makes it possible to find a common point in the main contradiction: territorial integrity and the desire for independence. Armenia is the opponent of this idea. Because the main goal is the territory. If anyone is interested, then he can find a lot of evidence in official documents of Armenia. And the conflict itself began not in Azerbaijan, but in Armenia. The first calls for the annexation of Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia were held in Yerevan in the fall of 1987. Long before any excesses.

              Everything is simple and clear here. The chronology of the conflict gives a definite idea of ​​what exactly is the cause. And how it can be solved.
              1. ed65b
                ed65b 31 July 2013 13: 46 New
                +1
                Armenians are completely satisfied with the situation, I mean politicians. In Azerbaijan, neither the people are satisfied with this state of affairs nor the leader And both go back and forth to sign a death sentence as a politician. And there will be no talk about the principles of forming the state structure, if there are unresolved issues with the "occupation" of Karabakh, this is a conversation between two deaf.
                Maybe of course there were proposals of such a plan, I do not know about it. But if you had to not push this question. quite a reasonable decision. With the condition of the return of refugees and monitoring the observance of the rights of all residents.
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 31 July 2013 13: 56 New
                  +2
                  The problem is that the politicians of Armenia do not like this situation either. I'm not talking about the people. He votes with his feet. Moreover, according to sociologists, the situation in Armenia is much worse. If labor migrants predominate in Azerbaijan (temporary migration), then families leave Armenia. That is forever.

                  Honestly, I personally would like the status quo for another 5-10 years. I said that Armenia is at an impasse. Hence articles like the one we are discussing. Armenia is actively looking for a way out. Blackmails everyone around. Do not help us, there will be a war.

                  Armenia itself has consciously turned itself off from all regional projects. Negotiating is signing a death sentence. But Armenia is not a Karabakh clan. The people of Armenia became a hostage to the policy that was imposed for almost 100 years. Stereotypes are hard to break.

                  So we'll wait. That is the reason for the peacefulness of Azerbaijan. If there are no force majeure circumstances, then Azerbaijan will not start a war. We are already gradually winning the world. Not a war. It is the world. In full accordance with the principles of geopolitics.
                  1. ed65b
                    ed65b 31 July 2013 14: 25 New
                    +2
                    Armenians vote with their feet all the time since the USSR. They are quite easily assimilated and in a couple of generations only the surname remains.
                    If Aliyev during his life can solve the Karabakh problem without blood, he will become the greatest politician in the world. May God grant him success in this difficult matter.
  • Horn
    Horn 31 July 2013 10: 58 New
    0
    Armenians are better than Azerbaijanis.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 31 July 2013 11: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: Horn
      Armenians are better than Azerbaijanis.



      so loudly declare whole nations fool ---- it is necessary to be based on comprehensive historical, national, ethnic studies ...... laughing
      1. Horn
        Horn 31 July 2013 14: 30 New
        -1
        What are you? This is a classic: The better? Than the Azerbaijanis! laughing
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 13: 30 New
      +1
      Than? let me know.
      1. Horn
        Horn 31 July 2013 14: 29 New
        0
        Than Azerbaijanis ...
      2. воронов
        воронов 31 July 2013 17: 18 New
        0
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        Than? let me know.

        Because they are Armenians laughing
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 17: 34 New
          +1
          Everything is clear, your place in the buffet.
  • Druid
    Druid 31 July 2013 11: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: Bakht
    Only one clarification to your message. The leaders of Azerbaijan (in particular the President) have repeatedly stated their readiness to grant Nagorno-Karabakh the maximum status of autonomy. And no one calls them traitors.
    :) :) :) "Doctor, I don’t have to .. - But, have mercy, you’re 72 years old, it’s quite natural." But my roommate is 81 and he says that he’s standing. " problem Dear ?! And you say what you have. "


    Quote: Horn
    Armenians are better than Azerbaijanis.
    "- The French are incomparable people! Arrive, meet at the gangway with flowers, bring to your place ... Fine wines, Cote d'Azur, walks in Paris, uh ... - Vasya, how do you know? - Yes, my wife told me. "
    1. Horn
      Horn 31 July 2013 14: 34 New
      +1
      Well, people, I can say that access to a huge directory called the Internet does not contribute to the development of memory. Books must be read! This is better than a network.
  • 094711601
    094711601 31 July 2013 14: 13 New
    +1
    People! And you are not tired of saying and writing the same thing for 20 years? What, can’t wait to send his guys to the slaughter? Or 20 years ago, someone answered for blood? Yes, you try to objectively read what you write .... People! After all, put on the line the lives of our children! Can you reason or not?
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 31 July 2013 14: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: 094711601
      And you are not tired of saying and writing the same thing for 20 years?




      please read all the comments from beginning to end ...... really omit the comments about women, drinking, football and about the pig ..... and you will be clear ........ hi
    2. alone
      alone 31 July 2013 14: 33 New
      +1
      and do not forget to take a bottle and join the feast))))) well, after you read everything
    3. alone
      alone 31 July 2013 15: 55 New
      +2
      and what did your children lose in someone else's conflict, so that their lives are at stake? This is not a problem for your children
  • Druid
    Druid 31 July 2013 15: 35 New
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    Quote: 094711601
    After all, put on the line the lives of our children! Can you reason or not?
    Sorry, but YOUR children in Karabakh have nothing to do.
    On the other hand, I don’t want OUR children to have to disentangle it for us, even if it’s better, as long as I’m not quite old, it will all begin and end, than it will desalinate another 20 years. Azerbaijan has already strengthened its army enough, but all that we bought with such a pomp are mostly Russian / and in fact modernized Soviet / systems and not the most modern today, but after 10 years unnecessary scrap. We do not buy these pieces of iron with great joy and have spent enough of our resources on them, I personally do not see any reason to continue to feed someone else's defense industry for another 20 years, and especially do not want my children and grandchildren to do this to the detriment of everything else. Look at how blooming Baku has been, see how many construction sites around, how much we have stepped forward, there would have been more if our neighbors had not imposed a war, impelled both from outside and with the noise in the ears of their crazy idea of ​​exclusivity, greatness and long-suffering.
    I am not opposed to having my grandchildren calmly walk with their peers Armenians in Baku or Yerevan, make friends and talk, the Russians walk with the Germans on Red Square, communicate, make friends, but before that, not so much the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan should be restored, how much justice. Just as the Soviet soldier knocked out the bullshit from the head of the Germans, the Azerbaijani soldier should knock the bullshit out of the head of the Armenians, and not only for his own good, but also for the good of future generations of the same Armenians, and they will be living in orphans blackmailed by their authorities from the outside, by the threat of an attack by Azerbaijanis, etc.
    It is time to recognize that the Armenians, Dashnaktsutyun and others used as a bargaining chip, a napkin to wipe when it was necessary to break up the Union. The blow to which was inflicted on its raw material economy by lowering prices on the world market and on interethnic relations, if anyone else remembers. Well, collapsed, well, played a role, it’s time to calm down, sit down on the stage and live on. But you won’t break it with your mind, just as the Nazis were looking for some nonsense about Aryans, history in German legends, and these people will not calm down in any way, being in mass hypnosis, there is simply no other way out, you need a cold shower for all the people, and most importantly, you need a tribunal and landing those “heroes” who blew up buses, trains, metro stations, killed women and children, old people, committed atrocities over prisoners, mocked the graves and history of the neighboring people. These are not my inventions, history shows, and recent, that without this cold soul, NO, and I will repeat to the same Armenians, not begin to live normally and create, and not become another crumpled napkin on someone's table (and this, at best, you may find in the restroom).
    1. Gari
      Gari 31 July 2013 15: 49 New
      -2
      Quote: Druid
      It is time to recognize that the Armenians, Dashnaktsutyun and others used as a bargaining chip, a napkin to wipe when it was necessary to break up the Union.


      The fact that everyone used you and you, too, is clear, but you have already crossed all borders
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 31 July 2013 19: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Druid
      I’m not against the fact that after a while my grandchildren calmly walked with their peers Armenians in Baku or Yerevan, were friends and talked,

      I completely agree with your comment, except for this part!
      I will do everything to ensure that this does not happen even in my family !!
      Because looking at the story, I see that the Armenians periodically engage in massacre of our people!
      I believe that we need to educate our descendants in the sense that they should always be ready for such a turn!
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 31 July 2013 20: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        I will do everything to ensure that this does not happen even in my family !!
        Because looking at the story, I see that the Armenians periodically engage in massacre of our people!
        I believe that we need to educate our descendants in the sense that they should always be ready for such a turn!

        fully support good
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 16: 08 New
    +2
    And here, as I understand it, the debate will not subside for a long time laughing Who is there a monument 2-waiting for the hero of the USSR N. Stepanyan broke who knows?
  • andru_007
    andru_007 31 July 2013 16: 56 New
    0
    Quote: Apollon
    By this, Russia wants to show Armenia its dissatisfaction with its warm relations with the European Union and NAT.

    Do not FIG sit on two chairs ...
  • Druid
    Druid 31 July 2013 17: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: Gari
    but you have already crossed all boundaries
    I didn’t drink vodka with you, I didn’t trample on foreign borders and did not stomp.
    They “used” everyone, it’s true, the Union was like that Serpent Gorynych, there were a lot of goals, there were smart and bad ones, but here the ass was all the same ...
    What hurt you so much in my words?
    - Or did you forget the explosions in the Moscow store and metro, a year to remind?
    - Or did you forget ANA - the Armenian national army led by a student, the beginning of the release of weapons and training of gangs, which year do you remember?
    - continue?
    Now remind me of sclerotics, the same actions of Azerbaijanis against the USSR, against the same Armenia, the RSFSR and others ... Sorry, but you were a piece of paper, not us, you were a blind tool in the wrong hands, having lost the remnants of reason in chauvinism and nationalism.
    Recall when the first Azerbaijanis fled from Armenia? And now, can it be compared in dates when the Armenians were forced to leave Azerbaijan?
    I’m an eyewitness and witness to this, it’s my youth and youth, it’s useless to hang noodles on my ears, or to break off “with dignity”, there is no such dignity, a bubble, and how it was inflated before my eyes.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 31 July 2013 19: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Druid
      I didn’t drink vodka with you, I didn’t trample on foreign borders and did not stomp.

      Thank you for your comments!
      I read everything with interest!
      Everything is written competently and clearly!
      Yours!
  • Terner38
    Terner38 31 July 2013 19: 57 New
    +1
    I am weak in this tactics, but still, if someone took a piece of my land by force, it would be foolish to think that I did not try to force it back. Although I don’t have a special love for Azerbaijanis, it hurt a lot of them on MY Native land in the Vladimir region.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 31 July 2013 21: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: Terner38
      Although I don’t have a special love for Azerbaijanis, it hurt a lot of them on MY Native land in the Vladimir region.

      And there they are in most belay
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 21: 49 New
        +1
        It depends on the views and behavior, somewhere 10000 a drop in the sea, and somewhere 1 corn in the eye.
  • Terner38
    Terner38 31 July 2013 20: 04 New
    +1
    tilovaykrisa  Today, 19:33 ↑ New

    I just don’t understand why the Armenians started killing Azerbaijanis (wrote correctly), and not Russians, for example, or Jews, how did it start? Yes, and please answer when is the best time to come to Azerbaijan? look at your benefits as a tourist? (So ​​as not to disappear forever in the open spaces of the former USSR)

    I strongly support this comment - I would like to see everything with my own eyes.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 31 July 2013 20: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Terner38
      I strongly support this comment - I would like to see everything with my own eyes.

      I'll send you too!
      And then I'm tired of writing the same thing here!
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 31 July 2013 21: 47 New
      +1
      But fire me, I want to watch with my own eyes only at night in Baku or Yerevan, and I have already seen enough blood and crap only on the territory of my "new" country.
  • P-15
    P-15 1 August 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: xasharat
    Quote: Druid
    Recall when the first Azerbaijanis fled from Armenia?

    in the 87th, Kafan began to kill and beat Azerbaijanis.
    in the 86th, many Azerbaijanis were oppressed in Yerevan.
    in the 88th in Yerevan, right where the Azerbaijanis worked, they came in and beaten.

    in the end, and kicked out.

    And those who participated in Sumgait and were precisely those whose families were expelled and beaten and killed relatives.

    There were early cases, in 1982 in our yard a neighbor lived with his relatives in Erivan. Somehow he went to his nephew’s wedding there. On arrival in Baku, he had a fight with a neighbor, an Armenian, with whom he was friends, do not spill water. It turned out that after that wedding, the Armenians killed his nephew, groom and his bride. I do not know if this is true or false, but just like that, a person will not throw a knife at a person with whom he has been friends since 1969. I think user Yeraz if he lived in Erivani in those years, he can confirm whether such a case occurred or not.
    The case of that neighbor went to court, 3 years were given.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 1 August 2013 20: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: P-15
      I think the user Yeraz if he lived in Erivan in those years can confirm whether there was such a case or not.
      The case of that neighbor went to court, 3 years were given.

      There is no user YERAZA even in the project yet))) But I won’t be surprised we always talked with an Armenian there, you need to be careful, can smile, and keep a knife in your bosom. Simply Karabakh opened the eye of another part of Azerbaijan, we always knew their nature.
      1. arminidi
        arminidi 7 August 2013 17: 42 New
        -1
        You describe exactly the Azerbaijanis. True, it’s a sin to conceal, not all. Not all Azerbaijanis are like that.