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We don't give them Snowden, they don't give us Browder. The material with the revelations of William Browder about the adventures in Russia

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Still, a strong thorn in the soft place of the "progressive" West sat down this Snowden. The progressive West cannot understand how a person born in the “freest country in the world” is ready to seek asylum in the “wild, corrupt, totalitarian, barbaric,” etc. etc. country, that is, in Russia, and this “wild, etc. the country also artachitsya when it is issued back to the "loving" homeland. No one in the heads of US senators, British lords and other distributors of a single “democracy” can fit the scale of the Universe: how could he! But however he could ... You see, he overcame himself and asked for asylum.


We don't give them Snowden, they don't give us Browder. The material with the revelations of William Browder about the adventures in Russia


Who then after Snowden became for Russia and, first of all, for the Russian leadership? Omitting all the husks about the struggle for human rights and other utopian maxims, one can say that the Snowden card is being played here and now. And it is played upside down. The Russian leadership still does not fully know what kind of card it is. It seems to be not a trivial six, if the American special services and authorities hysteria left and right about the fugitive. But what is the weight of this card? To find out, an interesting operation is being played today, which can be defined with the code phrase “Get Edward Snowden's price”.

As the first lot is played Mr. Browder. A few days ago, a Moscow court in absentia sentenced a native of the United States and a subject of Her Majesty to 9 years of imprisonment in a penal colony. Bill Browder was accused by Russian justice of having jointly with his, let's say, colleagues at the widely known Hermitage Capital fund, developed a scheme that allowed this very investment fund to easily evade taxes. It is in this fund, we recall, that Mr. Magnitsky worked in the sweat of his face, whose name has for some time become almost the main stumbling block in relations between Russia and the West. It is obvious that Mr Magnitsky was just a pawn on a chessboard for making money on a crisis Russia for Mr Browder and more powerful pieces. But it just so happened that it was Mr Magnitsky who first came under investigation in Russia, which, as is known, turned out to be the first and the last ...

Then the law enforcement system of Russia proceeded to the person directly to Bill Browder. What, then, was Browder suspected, and for what he was given a “nenya”? The Moscow court concluded that this same Mr., using a chain of dummy firms registered in Russia, had acquired, as much as 130, millions of Gazprom shares at an extremely low price. Who personally helped in such a promising venture to a “friend Bill”, the investigation and the court have not yet clarified (and whether they will clarify ...). In addition to a foreign citizen buying up a strategically important company at the domestic Russian price, Browder (after Magnitsky) was accused of using domestic Russian offshore companies to open several LLCs, whose employees credited (on paper, of course) exclusively the disabled. What for? These disabled employees allowed the Hermitage Capital of Mr. Browder to have substantial tax preferences in doing business in Russia.

If we evaluate all the activities of Mr. Browder in the Russian Federation from the very moment he arrived in our country, then this activity is constantly associated with the presence of one-day intermediary firms that worked on preferential terms and allowed using Russian “progressive” privatization as much as the Browder and those who, due to his activities, also received a good sum. Of course, such an activity of this Billy would be impossible by definition, if the privatization mechanisms in Russia were not so loose, and the privatization itself would not have been barbarous a priori. In this regard, together with Browder, it was necessary to assign real prison sentences to our homegrown privatization fathers, at the head of which was a well-known citizen now alive and holding a post in another state-owned company. But this is, as they say, completely different история...

And according to this we return to William Browder. The prosecutor estimated the total damage that the “investor” had inflicted on the Russian treasury at half a billion rubles (it’s not quite clear in the money of what period of modern history) and asked for a real term. The court went to meet the prosecutor and the term is such a document for Mr. Browder. Here is just one snag. There was no Browder in the dock ... He was arrested in absentia.

The “businessman” himself, with obvious signs of a new-time combinator, who knew at least 400 “relatively honest” ways to warm up his hands on the Russian treasury, at that time drank his duty cocktail on completely different shores and remembered how in just a dozen years of being in Russia, he managed to turn from a graduate of an American university into a multimillionaire. At the time, he shared these same memories with students, telling them in a verbal show about his merry financial adventures in Russia.

So that our readers could feel what financial (and not only financial) plans Mr. Browder was nurturing at one time, and which he nevertheless endured regarding Russia, here are some Browser quotes.

Everything was very simple. The country had vouchers that every citizen received. In the country of 150 millions of people, each voucher costs 20 dollars. Total 3 billion dollar vouchers. They could be exchanged for 30 percent of all Russian assets. That is, in 1992, all of Russia cost 10 billions of dollars. Whole country. All oil, all gas, all metal, and everything. 10 billion dollars. Wow!


And this Browder still exaggerates the price of those Chubais "vouchers", either slyly, or really not knowing that buyers in the Russian markets and 90 flea markets were given a privatization check (in provincial, at least, cities) no more than 10-12 dollars (in terms of US currency). And millions of Russians sold. And what else did people have to do when every second family did not know what to buy basic foodstuffs and where to get these foodstuffs at all ... Thus, a third of Russia “Browders”, “Berezovsky” and other “investors” could buy for some then a billion dollars ... Impressive, isn't it ... Interestingly, this is only Browder who counted all the benefits from Russian privatization for foreign and domestic Russians, sorry, freeloaders, or Anatoly Borisovich and Co. also guessed about this ... The question is, of course, rhetorical.

And suddenly all the guys who did not want to invite me to lunch and did not want to communicate with me, began to approach my table and say: “Bill, how would we do these Russian affairs, I would like to buy papers myself ...” Every morning four people stood near my desk, waited for my arrival to get advice on how to make money from Russia. But more importantly, the main salespeople, who had customers from large hedge funds, began to come and say: “Bill, would you like to go to New York and meet George Soros?”. I, of course, refused. “And maybe you will meet with John Templeton? By Michael Steinhard? ”
I was not yet thirty, and I was invited to meet with the most successful investors on Earth, so that I could explain to them what I had done in Russia.


A good illustration of how it was combed by Western financiers, excuse me, in one place after they heard what price for Russia was determined by its leaders in 90's. Any financier will cherish if he finds out that the whole country, along with plants, nuclear weapons, army, innumerable deposits of oil, gas, gold, diamonds and other wealth can be bought with money comparable to the annual budget of one relatively large western city. And flew - like bees on honey. And Soros, and Steinhard, and the rest ... There were "humanitarian" and financial programs, the consequences of which we still can not solve.

What will you do if something is sold at a discount in 99,7%, then how should it be sold at a discount in 10%? Naturally, everything must be damned to buy. So we did - Gazprom became our largest investment.


Good investment ...

In general, Browder himself told about his achievements in Russia, and therefore it is strange that he subsequently was surprised to learn that he had come under investigation design. But we need to be surprised, frankly, not understanding why only Browder received a term. But what about all those who organized 99% discounts for him? But then again - this is another story ...
As a result, Browder, as has been said, sips his cocktail somewhere abroad, while Russian law enforcement agencies made a request to Interpol to help the agency find and detain the “investor”. But a fig came from Interpol ... They say that we need solid evidence, some sanctions, documents, etc., and in general we will not look for Browder ...

The Russian Foreign Ministry has already expressed its bewilderment about this and is awaiting detailed explanations from Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble. But Ronald Noble is a US citizen, and will he be given a distribution list from his state to send Browder to Russia. Of course not…

What's next? Next thing for the Russian authorities. It remains for them to turn the card Edward Snowden face down, showing its price. And although Snowden is sort of like a former US intelligence official, and Browder is a banal cheater, but somehow you have to do some of these statuses ... But maybe there will be no card games? It may be beneficial to keep Browder out of reach: they say, we passed a sentence (albeit in absentia), our soul is clear to the people. And then suddenly someone else will shine ...

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  1. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 29 July 2013 07: 00 New
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    Browder in exchange for Snowden is the author’s fantasy. There has not been a case in modern history for the West to surrender its citizen sentenced under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Moreover, the Magnitsky case is interpreted unambiguously in the West as political - from here Browder is guaranteed not to be handed out.
    They need to give Snowden for free (or for some implicit advantages) - the covert negotiations are likely to be underway. Snowden will be given incorrectly. And to motivate by the fact that the USA and England also did not give us our traitor spies, and Snowden is even more so a fighter for human rights, a beacon of democracy and transparency ...
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 29 July 2013 08: 25 New
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      Quote: serge-68-68
      Browder in exchange for Snowden is the author’s fantasy.

      That's for sure, and why is it needed at all? He will not return the money - he most likely does not have it. Send him a kick in the head for others to think about ....
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 29 July 2013 09: 57 New
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        Browder in exchange for Snowden is the author’s fantasy.


        I do not think that these are figures of equal significance. In general, Snowden should not be issued in any case, there will be a lesson for Americans. Did they give out many of our defectors?
      2. Canep
        Canep 29 July 2013 10: 04 New
        +9
        It’s simpler to order a villain Browder as Trotsky, and not to give out a good (maybe) person to Snowden. And send a redhead to snowmaking in Siberia.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 29 July 2013 17: 06 New
          +3
          Easier villain Browder order as Trotsky

          Browder is a petty crook. Spending on it the capital of the country's image is too much.
          But the organizers, privatization regulators are criminals.
      3. ben gun
        ben gun 29 July 2013 13: 54 New
        +2
        And we argued for a liter of beer - whether they give Snowden a political shelter or not, at the very beginning of this opupei when he was just waiting at the Cuban airport)
        still waiting for my beer laughing
      4. bomg.77
        bomg.77 29 July 2013 15: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Send him a kick in the head for others to think about
        Better ice ax laughing so to speak so that the handwriting was familiar.
      5. cdrt
        cdrt 29 July 2013 17: 04 New
        +3
        Browder is not to blame - he is most likely just a fraud, because buying stocks is still not such a terrible violation of the law.
        The crime was to create a situation where this was possible.
        Given that privatization advisers were people with experience in its organization (mainly American consultants), they acted consciously.
        But those who launched this process in the Russian Federation, implemented the relevant laws, this is responsible, because people HAD to understand what they were doing and that they were creating all the conditions for plundering the economy
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 29 July 2013 20: 43 New
          0
          You were clearly told "There will be NO revision of privatization." You can puff as much as you like, stating that after the next increase in tariffs or the introduction of social. norms, or something else - grab the pitchfork, but life is a stubborn thing - the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Selyavi.
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 29 July 2013 11: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: serge-68-68
      ... from here Browder is guaranteed not to be handed out.


      It is possible to lock on the islands, so that it will be restricted to travel abroad. Simply, in all countries in a row, a note of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on extradition of a convicted criminal + Statement and a court decision which indicates what the convict is indicated for is sent along the list. The maximum will fly from England to America ... Finally, it can simply be screwed and taken out to a quiet one, and then accidentally detained in Thailand.
      1. 755962
        755962 29 July 2013 12: 02 New
        +6
        Interpol absolutely does not give a damn about our requests and requirements ..

        The Double Standards Policy has become the official state ...
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 29 July 2013 17: 14 New
          -5
          Interpol absolutely does not give a damn about our requests and requirements

          No, Interpol needs iron evidence of a lack of political motivation.
          According to the charter, they do not participate in political affairs.
          And this is not news to the Foreign Ministry, nor to anyone.
          It’s just that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation decided to use this moment for PR - the Russian Federation has enemies all around, double standards (this is for internal use), and anticipating the US’s steps on Snowden (this is outward).
    3. CTEPX
      CTEPX 29 July 2013 15: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: serge-68-68
      There has not been a case in modern history for the West to surrender its citizen sentenced under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

      There were cases, there were ... Our criminals are entirely Western citizens)). They don’t give out key ones, that’s the truth.
      http://pravo.ru/news/view/42839/
    4. Arthur 775
      Arthur 775 29 July 2013 19: 39 New
      +1
      They want to get Snowden for beads or candy, but here such a bummer.
      An article plus, a vector or a direction, so to speak, is chosen correctly!
      The West during perestroika from Gorbach, and Yeltsin (squandered everything with a decree), WEST Just
      ohoo e. from the politics of Russia now (the freebie has ended). Amerians with Britons scratch turnips, as for us, Putin's news.
      Browder we won’t pull it out here, it’s a fact. Yes and hu with it.
      Take the red-haired egg, the benefits will be a hundred times more.
      Amerikontsi for Chubais, it’s as if they are pushing more (he is a Cossack mishandled, tochnik). bully
  2. studentmati
    studentmati 29 July 2013 07: 01 New
    +2
    There is only one conclusion - Snowden, a card in the game that has the weight of the Joker ... good
    1. commentor
      commentor 29 July 2013 08: 01 New
      -3
      Snowden is a map that allows the United States to impose new sanctions against Russia, reasonably condemn and put pressure on the political elite of our country.

      Snowden is a card possibly already played by the USA.
      1. Very old
        Very old 29 July 2013 08: 18 New
        +1
        Constantine, this card is not in Uncle Sam's sleeve.
        1. commentor
          commentor 29 July 2013 08: 28 New
          -2
          Tell me, what does Russia win if it grants refuge to Snowden?
          1. ramsi
            ramsi 29 July 2013 09: 12 New
            +3
            it is never harmful to "click on the nose of a potential adversary." Something hurts rarely we use this classic trick
            1. commentor
              commentor 29 July 2013 09: 31 New
              -1
              How does Russia click on the nose of the United States, if all actions are dictated by the situation?
              Nobody gave us the right to move.

              Leave Snowden - we will give an occasion to water the country with slops and support the anti-Russian lobby in the US Senate.

              We will issue - we will bend, in the eyes of the whole world.
              Russia is forced to act in accordance with the stereotypes that the West has imposed on us. We are antagonists in everything. It is doubtful that anyone in the world expects Russia to reverse behavior.

              As for Snowden, he's useless to us. The United States is playing a play called Inevitable Justice, although it will remain in a winning position no matter the outcome.
              He had already done all the damage Snowden could do to Uncle Sam.
              1. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 29 July 2013 10: 02 New
                +4
                Quote: commentor
                Leave Snowden - we will give an occasion to water the country with slops and support the anti-Russian lobby in the US Senate.


                And what do we care about this lobby? As if they don’t water us even without Snowden.
                1. commentor
                  commentor 29 July 2013 10: 20 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Ruslan_F38
                  And what do we care about this lobby? As if they don’t water us even without Snowden.


                  Do you think that we are interested in such a lobby if Russia actually asks for the repeal of the Jackson-Vanik amendment or approval for joining the WTO?

                  I do not mean that Snowden needs to be extradited, but I believe that the current situation in Russia will not benefit. No need to take it as a small victory and an opportunity to teach the USA a lesson.

                  Snowden is like a bunch of shit that Russia got into. You should not continue to smear and relish the idea that this is a chance for self-affirmation.
                  1. Ruslan_F38
                    Ruslan_F38 29 July 2013 10: 48 New
                    +2
                    Quote: commentor
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    And what do we care about this lobby? As if they don’t water us even without Snowden.


                    Do you think that we are interested in such a lobby if Russia actually asks for the repeal of the Jackson-Vanik amendment or approval for joining the WTO?

                    I do not mean that Snowden needs to be extradited, but I believe that the current situation in Russia will not benefit. No need to take it as a small victory and an opportunity to teach the USA a lesson.

                    Snowden is like a bunch of shit that Russia got into. You should not continue to smear and relish the idea that this is a chance for self-affirmation.

                    Well, the WTO did not bring us much benefit, and I think the amendment of the Far East will not bring much benefit. But the issuance of Snowden will negatively affect the image of Russia.
                    You can benefit from this defector - the main thing is to show the whole world that Snowden is a freedom fighter, and not a traitor, as the United States would like.
                    1. commentor
                      commentor 29 July 2013 11: 07 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      You can benefit from this defector - the main thing is to show the whole world that Snowden is a freedom fighter, and not a traitor, as the United States would like.


                      These benefits are illusory in light of the fact that the main condition was: "Stop harming our partners." This nod to the United States suggests that Russia is not ready to quarrel over Snowden. So I don't really understand why everyone is happy. Snowden was stuck in Russia by coincidence.
                  2. a52333
                    a52333 29 July 2013 13: 04 New
                    +5
                    Quote: commentor
                    Snowden like a bunch of shit that Russia got into

                    So yes, VVP said in plain text that "working" with Snowden is like shearing pigs: there is a lot of screeching, but little wool. As I understand his words, in fact, his information is not worth a damn, and from this point of view, yes - we "got into a mess".
                    But I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Snowden is not the first and not the last to run away from the USA, and if he is extradited, the next runaway may not choose the Russian Federation as the country from which he would like to seek political asylum. But the next one can be a person who carries necessary information. request
                  3. cdrt
                    cdrt 29 July 2013 17: 18 New
                    0
                    Snowden is like a bunch of shit that Russia got into.

                    Hmm ... I think you need to take an example from China - after all, culture has long been living, wise wink

                    Although ... emotionally completely on the side of Snowden, in general I think that he did a good deed.
              2. Russ69
                Russ69 29 July 2013 10: 06 New
                +5
                Quote: commentor
                Leave Snowden - we will give an occasion to water the country with slops and support the anti-Russian lobby in the US Senate.

                Well, yes ... Well, yes .... But they won’t be able to pour mud on us without Snowden.
                And why the hell should we be afraid of someone who will carry something against us in the Senate?
                Quote: commentor
                As for Snowden, he's useless to us. The United States is playing a play called Inevitable Justice, although it will remain in a winning position no matter the outcome.

                They are already losing in the eyes of people, when they openly spit on everyone and everything, trying to fulfill their desire. And the fact that people who position themselves as human rights defenders fleeing from the ShA are already a blow to the image.
                1. commentor
                  commentor 29 July 2013 10: 23 New
                  -5
                  Quote: Russ69
                  They are already losing in the eyes of people, when they openly spit on everyone and everything, trying to fulfill their desire. And the fact that people who position themselves as human rights defenders fleeing from the ShA are already a blow to the image.


                  This is not Russia's merit, but the result of Snowden’s act, no matter in which country he is. We do not need him.
              3. Basil123
                Basil123 29 July 2013 18: 51 New
                0
                the whole question is in the info that snowden has winked in a pinch, put a prog to write
            2. cdrt
              cdrt 29 July 2013 17: 17 New
              0
              It cannot be the goal of politics to be “to make someone bad”.
              The purpose of politics is to do good for yourself. repeat
              Building a policy only on causing trouble to the enemy is some kind of teenage sadism wink
          2. Constantine
            Constantine 29 July 2013 09: 32 New
            +5
            Quote: commentor
            Tell me, what does Russia win if it grants refuge to Snowden?


            At a minimum, the information and image of a country that does not allow the application of double standards plays the role of the defender of the oppressed, as well as the guardian of common sense. At the same time, with such a card, the USA makes what they made of us during the Cold War - the Evil Empire. In the foreign arena, as well as in the minds of people, it is worth a lot. smile
            1. commentor
              commentor 29 July 2013 09: 43 New
              -10
              He will not bring us any useful information.

              That is, a country that demonstrates alienation, unwillingness to go for rapprochement and integration in the world - will this image fill the hearts of "Western people" with kindness and light when Russia is mentioned? ;)

              Russia has never betrayed anyone; it would be foolish to doubt us. The fact that we got stuck in Snowden, in this case, works like a provocation.
              1. CAMS
                CAMS 29 July 2013 16: 09 New
                0
                Yes, what the hell is provocation and what kind of lobby. Everyone looks at Russia, and how the United States is humiliated, and expose themselves as the Soviet Union at a certain time, and the anti-Russian lobby is the United States Congress, and we can’t cajole them. Wennik-Magnetic example, there will always be a reason
              2. Consul-t
                Consul-t 29 July 2013 20: 05 New
                0
                commentor Judging by your comments and the fact that the people have nominated you, you seem to be an American alien who is trying to impose on us his (the opinion of his masters) opinion.
                You see that the people do not accept you? fuck off. blow to your america and rejoice.
            2. Knizhnik
              Knizhnik 29 July 2013 09: 45 New
              +6
              Only a strong state can not give out fugitives on the first roar from the Washington forest (In general, this roar is a very useful thing - it’s immediately clear who is hu in the jungle of international politics: the jackals somehow separated from the wolves themselves
          3. skeptic
            skeptic 29 July 2013 12: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: commentor
            Tell me, what does Russia win if it grants refuge to Snowden?


            Headache. A reason for the United States to unwind a confrontation, which will allow the military-industrial complex lobby, to provide the arms lords with more profitable orders. Well, about the rest of the "winnings" - we will soon find out.

            The main advantage can be a change in the views of ordinary people in the West. And this will facilitate the work of Russian intelligence, after the Gorboeltsin failure. True, in the beginning it is necessary to withdraw its penkovskoj-like riffraff from power.
          4. CTEPX
            CTEPX 29 July 2013 15: 38 New
            0
            Quote: commentor
            Tell me, what does Russia win if it grants refuge to Snowden?

            Russia)).
          5. gleb49
            gleb49 29 July 2013 15: 54 New
            0
            RUSSIA will "win" the status of a great power. RUSSIA is not a Jewish usurer.
      2. Constantine
        Constantine 29 July 2013 09: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: commentor
        Snowden is a map that allows the United States to impose new sanctions against Russia, reasonably condemn and put pressure on the political elite of our country.


        And where are all these terrible consequences? Where is the pressure? Where are these sanctions? Snowden list etc. request

        The Tang itself, at the highest level, recognized that following the non-sanctioned statements of Batrack Abram on this issue, the United States will lose orders of magnitude more than they get. wink
        1. commentor
          commentor 29 July 2013 09: 36 New
          0
          The sanctions bill only on the 26th came to Congress. So what are we waiting for.

          By and large, Russia does not care about sanctions.
          But for the sake of Snowden's dummy ... It is doubtful, in my opinion.
      3. 094711601
        094711601 29 July 2013 16: 00 New
        0
        It’s more likely that they want to believe in it, as before!
    2. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 29 July 2013 09: 40 New
      -3
      IMHO, the price of Snowden is not higher than a jack, and Browder is an ace, a pockmark chicken that lays valuable eggs like the Magnitsky case.
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 29 July 2013 09: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: commentor
        How does Russia click on the nose of the United States, if all actions are dictated by the situation?
        Nobody gave us the right to move.

        in vain you treat the United States rationally. This is an irrational evil. This is "Carthage", which must be destroyed.
        1. commentor
          commentor 29 July 2013 09: 57 New
          0
          The United States has a single goal throughout its history - the prosperity of its own nation. Of course, for us they are Carthage.
          1. CAMS
            CAMS 29 July 2013 16: 15 New
            0
            which Nation? And you are mistaken if you think that the United States is ruled by a government - the government
      2. As everyone knows
        As everyone knows 29 July 2013 10: 15 New
        +1
        Well said, I support, the agent’s weight is not comparable with a scammer. How is it possible to discuss this from the USA when they passed the law directly connected with the activities of a fraudster in Russia?
        1. ramsi
          ramsi 29 July 2013 10: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: commentor
          The United States has a single goal throughout its history - the prosperity of its own nation. Of course, for us they are Carthage.

          here you are rationalizing again, but it turns out that you are idealizing. For the prosperity of your own nation, it is not at all necessary to poke your nose everywhere, and even more so to force everyone else to serve their prosperity, and it becomes completely intolerant when, at the same time, they stand in a mentor position for the condescending phrase: "if you are so smart, then why - poor ... "
          1. commentor
            commentor 29 July 2013 10: 38 New
            0
            Quote: ramsi
            For the prosperity of your own nation, it is not at all necessary to poke your nose everywhere, and even more so - to force everyone else to serve their prosperity ... "


            Despite this claim, the United States continues to poke its nose everywhere, while the rest continue to serve their prosperity.
            1. ramsi
              ramsi 29 July 2013 10: 40 New
              0
              so here I am to that: that is never harmful ...
              1. commentor
                commentor 29 July 2013 10: 52 New
                +2
                Not harmful.

                The main thing is not to flirt with "clicks on the nose" when there is a real opportunity to "give out the bream" by placing the S-300 in Syria.

                It will be sad if Russia is only able to click.
                1. ramsi
                  ramsi 29 July 2013 10: 56 New
                  0
                  but here I agree completely
    3. cdrt
      cdrt 29 July 2013 17: 15 New
      0
      Snowden, a card in the game bearing the weight of the Joker

      The card in the game, which can have the weight of the joker.
  3. papik09
    papik09 29 July 2013 07: 11 New
    +6
    I agree that such an exchange is the author's fantasy. The fact that the United States has "done" with Snowden is only a smile of emotion. On this occasion, there is even a saying - "Not everything for the cat is a carrot". And it can be useful like this "face and on the asphalt." laughing
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 29 July 2013 07: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: studentmati
    There is only one conclusion - Snowden, a card in the game that has the weight of the Joker ...

    The time has not come to "play" ... hi
  5. Very old
    Very old 29 July 2013 07: 25 New
    +9
    "The whole country. All the oil, all the gas, all the metal, in general, everything. 10 billion dollars. Wow!" And the mushroom is still at the trough, the main privatizer, who knows how to write the necessary "scientific" works and receive "bonuses" (ottedov). He who knew how to gurgle EBN in time, and slip the necessary papers with which they seemed to be working in the country. "Take it, guys, everything" - the guys did not hesitate, they took it. And he who gurgled in time is on a horse
    1. AVV
      AVV 29 July 2013 09: 50 New
      +3
      Serdyukov, Ryzhiy, all of them free of charge, should be allocated an island near Novaya Zemlya, 25-30 years old, that would be where one could introduce nanotechnology to one and trade the island’s real estate with another! What’s there Browser! There are plenty of Ostap Browders here !! !
  6. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 29 July 2013 07: 26 New
    +5
    The West cannot understand in any way how, in general, a person who was born in the “freest country in the world” is ready to seek asylum in a “wild, thoroughly corrupt, totalitarian, barbaric”, etc. etc. country

    Time will pass and they will understand ... already in official circles they slowly began to understand and reduced the hysteria and intensity of their demands!
    They cannot understand anything else! They cannot understand that in RUSSIA it is still impossible to steal shamelessly and insolently, even to such businessmen as citizens of the most ... the most ... most "crap" countries. They cannot come to terms with the fact that the unpunished freeman of the "king of the ETERNAL DRYAN" has ended! They cannot realize that RUSSIA also wants to be respected ... with its interests considered. This is the main problem of Western politics. Well, nothing ... soon they will understand it!
  7. Alez
    Alez 29 July 2013 07: 31 New
    +4
    Or else it will be, oh oh. Snowden will not be given back for any haircuts. It will receive the status of a temporary refugee, and there where the curve of political ambitions of Russia will lead. All these sheep bleating - that he will not reveal any secrets, under any torture, and that secrets will get on the Internet, if something happens to him - for wide-openers. All secrets were given out, translated into Russian, analysts got to know him, I read a detailed report of VV after a morning run or pool. Further, Snowden will receive the status of a political refugee, marry a Russian woman, but not Chapman. It will take root and settle in a scientific company, will try to poke our secrets.
  8. omsbon
    omsbon 29 July 2013 07: 33 New
    13
    Photos of the red-haired student, especially in the morning, show what would make people angry?
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 29 July 2013 08: 11 New
      +1
      As they say, you won’t erase words from a song. laughing So is the story (unless you rewrite it). Firmly he entered her. Children now, even scare them. laughing
      1. Very old
        Very old 29 July 2013 08: 36 New
        0
        Broke into the front door, fly out through the anus. Just wait a little
    2. Very old
      Very old 29 July 2013 08: 31 New
      0
      ANDREW, but not such a one at all, but a MEMBER-MEMBER-MEMBER of the family
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 29 July 2013 15: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Very old
        not like him at all, but MEMBER-MEMBER-MEMBER of the family

        They are not determined by the MEMBER)).
    3. My address
      My address 29 July 2013 08: 34 New
      +1
      Greetings to Dzerzhinsky. My senior served in ODON.

      Or maybe to remind the authorities of the reaction of site visitors that the debts should be repaid. Including planting different red, albeit different hair color or bald.
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 29 July 2013 11: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: My address
        Greetings to Dzerzhinsky. My senior served in ODON.

        Thank you, Alexander! I will not hide, it's nice.
        A huge hello to my son!
    4. Alez
      Alez 29 July 2013 10: 55 New
      0
      Show to say -The enemy does not sleep, keep your eyes open. At this time, CHUBNEYS is pumping money from the budget, glancing anxiously around.
  9. Sirocco
    Sirocco 29 July 2013 08: 05 New
    0
    One thing is clear real political game... Browder, Snowden, some dark horses, I would not bet on any of them, and Snowden is generally a horse participating in this "political run" for the first time. I am confused by the fact that the United States is really zealous, and with all its kind show us how much they need it, they say, take such an agent .. Although I repeat in William's words, the whole life is a GAME, and the people in it are actors.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 29 July 2013 08: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Sirocco
      and Snowden is generally a horse taking part in this "political run" for the first time.

      Oh, well, you are like children! They sent Snowden on the spot to figure out what's what ... otherwise "the CIA has been listening to Medvedev for 4 years and has never been able to understand what he is talking about!" So they really need him! Well, he does not sit all this time at the airport! Dissolved! In the great expanses of Russia! Wait, even then the US will declare that Snowden was a KGB agent sent to them, who raised him from infancy.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 29 July 2013 08: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Snowden was a KGB agent sent to them, who raised him from infancy.

        And why not))) So to speak, let's play. laughing
  10. morpogr
    morpogr 29 July 2013 08: 13 New
    +3
    after these events, something must change in the minds of Americans and Europeans in relation to our country. The first swallow is actor Depardieu, now a spy a human rights activist, the next should be an opposition politician.
  11. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 29 July 2013 08: 14 New
    +5
    Excerpt from the article "For 10 billion I bought all of Russia. ",: "And this is what I learned ... In Moscow, I did not know a single person, and I did not know a word of Russian ... I had only a telephone book, a directory published in English for foreigners. I marked the right people there with circles and met I met with about 30 people. And in a week I figured out what was going on. It was very simple. There were vouchers in the country that every citizen received. There are 150 million people in the country, each voucher costs $ 20. In total 3 billion dollars in vouchers. They could be exchanged for 30 percent of all Russian assets. That is, in 1992 all of Russia was worth 10 billion dollars. The whole country. All oil, all gas, all metal, in general everything. 10 billion dollars. Wow! At that moment I was filled with adrenaline. It was clear that this is the most incredible opportunity ever. " see http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/commentaries/view/82254/
    hi The conclusions are obvious, who helped ...
  12. malikszh
    malikszh 29 July 2013 08: 22 New
    0
    and what will happen if the US says that we give out Browder ??
    Cannot be extradited to Sauden. Putin said that if you stop granting your asylum, he said you must comply!
    1. commentor
      commentor 29 July 2013 08: 35 New
      -6
      Snowden is the gambit that the United States plays.

      A situation that could cause Russia serious reputational damage with dubious dividends.
      1. wax
        wax 29 July 2013 12: 27 New
        +2
        Snowden is a log in the eyes of the States, and in vain they expect Russia to take it out. Snowden is denied a passport, but not US citizenship. Located in the transit zone. So that? “They offer us to detain and hand over the free citizen of the States to the States themselves.” But this will be a violation of international law. States must speak with their citizen themselves. In general, Putin already laughed at them, saying that they themselves locked Snowden in the Sheremetyevo transit zone. They are completely crazy, believing that Russia will lick the oversights of the States, while losing international authority. So the situation is simple, like a pancake. The free man of a free country himself freely decides how to live on. States may request that their consular officer be allowed into the transit zone. You are welcome.
        On the other hand, we could detain Snowden for criminal prosecution, as that by his actions caused damage to Russia, just as the States do, but did not do this, bearing in mind that we do not want to go against the States with an open visor, because still weak. Now, if Snowden were tried in Russia, then the question of exchanges might arise.
    2. aepocmam
      aepocmam 29 July 2013 10: 18 New
      +2
      If the Americans say that they will give us Browder, they will need to be praised for it and, on occasion, patted on the shoulder of their multiple President. And to express confidence that they will stop at it and will give us all the other defectors and members of their families. And that’s it.
      1. General Major
        General Major 29 July 2013 22: 55 New
        0
        If the states surrender to Browder, then a soap bubble about Magnitsky’s law will immediately burst, which should be repealed right away, invented and replaced by the Jackson-Vanik law, which is no longer profitable for American business, but how without any leverage to put pressure on Russia? Yes, they are more likely to strangle themselves !!
  13. valokordin
    valokordin 29 July 2013 08: 29 New
    +5
    The question arises, why did the president and prime minister defend so zealously this red-headed scumbag, who, in addition to ruining the country, was giving them billions to feed him that he was not 37 years old?
    1. olviko
      olviko 29 July 2013 11: 29 New
      +1
      Red roof has a steep roof, Putin is too tough for him yet! If you plant it now, many heads of those who are doing business will fly — not one Redhead plundered the country. There are two options: either they will let everyone down on the brakes, they will transplant a small fish so that people can shut their mouths, and a large one will fall over a hill, partially die out naturally, Option two: to reintroduce the Cheka, with Iron Felix at the head, only he, in this gadyushnik, still needs to be found!
  14. Alexxeg73
    Alexxeg73 29 July 2013 09: 00 New
    +3
    "... In December 2008, the Analytical Note of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation was published." Analysis of the Processes of Privatization of State Property in the Russian Federation for the Period of 1993-2003. "In this note, the state admitted to itself for the first time that almost all privatization transactions of the indicated period are economic crimes, which essentially means that the Prosecutor General's Office must investigate the privatization of Russia's largest raw material companies.
    we give conclusions that can be taken as a recommendation to law enforcement bodies and higher institutions of power. “Identified and verified facts revealed by the audits of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation provide legal grounds for invalidating, within the established limitation period, individual purchase and sale transactions of state enterprises, property complexes, state blocks of shares privatized in violation of the law. From a legal point of view, in some cases we can talk about the process of restoring the violated rights of the owner (state), which involves the implementation of certain legal and administrative actions. ”
    But! Putin said: "There will be no revision of the results of privatization!"
  15. pensioner
    pensioner 29 July 2013 09: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: omsbon
    Photos of the red-haired student, especially in the morning, show what would make people angry?

    Don’t talk! Is he dying himself? And not on quiche?
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 29 July 2013 11: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: retired
      Is he dying himself?

      He will die someday, everyone is dying. And he will not be threatened with the kitsch for the next 11 years (see the direct line of GDP with the people).
  16. ed65b
    ed65b 29 July 2013 09: 31 New
    +5
    Browder must be stolen. Lure closer and bring to Russia. Then present and plant. Looking at him, many will sit down. And we will show everyone that it’s not like a bast and our court must be respected. There is a place near the walk; they will sew slippers together.
    1. My address
      My address 29 July 2013 10: 50 New
      +2
      The idea is lovely. And fun and healthy.
  17. Karabin
    Karabin 29 July 2013 09: 36 New
    +2
    The Russian leadership does not yet fully know what kind of map this is.

    The Russian leadership, among other things, is solving two global problems.
    1. Ensure full privatization of key assets of the country by individuals included in the leadership and close to the leadership.
    2. Shake hands in the west with these assets.
    If the first task is solved successfully (people are a little indignant, but hawala), then the second task is much more difficult. And Snowden, drew, oh, how inappropriate. To give up the tsrushnik, the "patriotic image" will be shaken. Do not give up - under the blow of a handshake.
  18. aepocmam
    aepocmam 29 July 2013 09: 39 New
    +2
    It is best to negotiate with South Ossetia to grant political asylum to Snowden, and take Snowden to Tskhinval. It will be interesting to see what sanctions Americans can come up with against South Ossetia.
  19. treskoed
    treskoed 29 July 2013 09: 52 New
    +1
    Browder, Snowden - they would have to deal with their own, until they were sent under the protection of Interpol! Ministers, prosecutors, etc. etc.
  20. pensioner
    pensioner 29 July 2013 10: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: ed65b
    Browder must be stolen. Lure closer and bring to Russia. Then present and plant. Looking at him, many will sit down. And we will show everyone that it’s not like a bast and our court must be respected. There is a place near the walk; they will sew slippers together.

    Holy words! And then mattress makers are ready to plant planes with drones because of Snowden and the world community is silent, and we are begging for hardened criminals and bandyuganov from them! Slowly steal everything! And following the example of the American court, in the case of Bout, everyone who threatened Russian citizens with death - immediately under white hands and to Russia. And hold 25. And to the screams we will answer: "You taught yourself!"
    1. My address
      My address 29 July 2013 10: 48 New
      0
      I welcome you, Yuri!
      I completely agree. Nontrivial ideas are often the most optimal solution.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 29 July 2013 19: 40 New
        0
        Alexander! Good evening R! And how else to endure humiliation? The only way!! And let them try to justify: what is wrong ...
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 29 July 2013 10: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: retired
      Stealing slowly and all things!

      And who will do this? Regarding the steal, we have a lot of specialists in power, of course. But mostly from the budget.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 29 July 2013 19: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Karabin
        And who will do this?

        There will be a team stolen even from the palace of justice in Paris. Believe me ...
  21. runway
    runway 29 July 2013 10: 17 New
    -1
    Any decision according to Snowden, accepted by our services at once upon his arrival in our country, it would be legal (or would look like that).
    But the vertical is built in such a way that everyone looks at the very top, and at the top they mumbled something about a pig and that we don’t have it, and in Sheremetyevo it’s full of people that hell knows where to look for it .... Then fishing , holidays, vacation ....
    Now any solution according to snowden adopted by Putin will be erroneous. In this I agree with commentor .
    The United States should reward Snowden for the contribution he made to his visit to us, showing the whole world the incapacity of our leadership.
    1. Prorox
      Prorox 29 July 2013 13: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: piston
      showing the world the incapacity of our leadership.


      Maybe on the facts show this incapacity.
  22. 128mgb
    128mgb 29 July 2013 10: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: commentor
    The United States has a single goal throughout its history - the prosperity of its own nation.

    This is what you deigned to notice. Only all the time at the expense of others. And all the time, blood flows like a river all over the world. This is the basis for the prosperity of the United States. And of course, that Russia is against, we know what war is.
  23. My address
    My address 29 July 2013 10: 43 New
    +5
    Come again.

    They spat on Snowden. They don't need it. It is important for them to scare the next snowdens to hiccup. Otherwise, the basis of purity and innocence of the United States crumbles completely.

    Recall who gave Browder the opportunity to think that he would buy almost the whole country for 10 billion dollars. And our oligarchs at our expense helped us get rich. It is necessary not only to constantly remember, but to sincerely wish to answer. So that the following do not appear, or become silent for fear (DAME with his bzikom about the privatization of balances).
    The country should know:
    EBN (what a combination of letters!) - to put monuments in Russia that to him, that to Allan Dulles in the same way.
    E. Gaidar - "a strong economist", bluntly stated that there are many superfluous in the country. He did a lot against many in the country.
    Chubais is clear to everyone. True, some types of ECAULA think that the GDP does not know that the head of Rosnano and this one person and therefore do not drive.
    The generals who were on guard not the country, but the upper rot and his pocket.
    Other high ranks.
  24. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 29 July 2013 12: 07 New
    +2
    There will be no exchange of \ Snowden for Browder ...... Browder is a banal swindler ...... and Snowden ... is a "fighter" for freedom ..... all the more where ?? in the States ....... and oil painting ... The States demand from us what they themselves never do .... and at the same time they are indignant \ .... oil painting
  25. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 29 July 2013 14: 11 New
    +1
    Eh ... where are the people with the ice axes?
  26. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 29 July 2013 15: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: commentor
    Leave Snowden - we will give an occasion to water the country with slops and support the anti-Russian lobby in the US Senate.

    Great thought! wassat Especially when you consider that, before Snowden, the USA constantly showered us with roses, prayed for our prosperity, and in general showed us their "love" in every possible way! True, love, somewhat (let's put it mildly), strange, sometimes in the form of the "Magnitsky law", then in the form of missile defense at our borders, then the ambassador to Russia will be appointed Mr. McFaul - a specialist in "color revolutions" ... Ah, how American leaders "love" us, from Dulles, Bzezhinsky, Albright, Rice, Clintonichi to McCain, there is nothing to say here! ... laughing
    And if you, Konstantin Konstantin (nothing that I am in Cyrillic?), Sincerely believe that by not issuing Snowden, "we give a reason and support the anti-Russian lobby," then, as they say, "accept my condolences"! hi
  27. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 29 July 2013 19: 16 New
    +1
    The question is of course interesting. Urgently giving them a bag of 3,14 passengers, it will not be enough to add at a reduced rate. It is time for Garant to demand from the states the issuance of a selling scum like Kalugin, and they there as Chinese in the Amur region. And if they don’t give out criminals like Browder, then send a group with ice axes to carry out what he deserved. But somehow it’s not quite right: these cowboys can do everything, but should we obey them? And to hell with you cow dangers: you stole our type of Booth, and we must also do with all sorts of Browders!
  28. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 29 July 2013 19: 42 New
    0
    commentor RU
    Tell me, what does Russia win if it grants refuge to Snowden?

    Snowden - neither a thief, nor a killer, nor a bandit. The fact that Snowden told about the CIA surveillance of the peoples of all countries, and asked the Russian government to provide him with POLITICAL ASYLUM, I think in the eyes of the world community, SUSHYA look somehow foul, "spoils" his (US) image, and contradicts the imposed opinion that it the fairest, the most correct country on the entire planet. And if Snowden is not a dark horse, mishandled the same CIA, then GIVE it to Amer, or exchange it for a criminal - I think it is immoral.
  29. darksoul
    darksoul 29 July 2013 20: 03 New
    +1
    Do not give out a snowden, and even put it on all the central channels, put it on a Kremlin star, as in the case with the story when the soldiers of the Saladin teased the crusaders going to their camp and pouring water into the desert when they died of thirst ..... and with snowden. ..to him for the United States like a needle in the w..pe became .... they will answer us for everything
  30. elenagromova
    elenagromova 29 July 2013 20: 45 New
    +2
    One can not understand - what prevents to give Snowden political asylum right now? Russia would show its strength. And the damage to relations with the States is not necessary to be afraid. Whenever there was a bad relationship between our country and the USA, this prompted our people to fly to the stars. And as soon as relations were established, the country was in decline.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 29 July 2013 20: 52 New
      0
      Quote: elenagromova
      I can’t understand one thing - what is stopping giving Snowden political asylum right now? Russia would show its strength.


      Good evening Elena! Does Russia need it ?! winked
      Three questions
      1. What will Russia gain from this?
      2: How Political Asylum Given to Snowden Will Bring Russia
      3. Why China did not provide, although it could easily.


      Quote: elenagromova
      Russia would show its strength. And damage to relations with the United States is not necessary.


      And why because of someone Snowden, I understand when it comes to Syria or Russia's national interests in the world.
      As for spoiling the relationship, are you eager to play your muscles ?! winked
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 29 July 2013 21: 04 New
        0
        Extension

        In my opinion, China acted very wisely that it did not get involved in the whole story, who knows, maybe even the topic of Snowden, the multi-passage of the United States itself. Remember Elena's story, or rather the provocation with the South Korean Boeing, just on the eve of the Moscow Olympics, the same thing is being seen and now only on the eve of Sochi Olympics, the parallel is not visible in your opinion ?!
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 July 2013 21: 03 New
      0
      Quote: elenagromova
      I can’t understand one thing - what is stopping giving Snowden political asylum right now?

      Ours want Snowden, having received asylum, to play according to our rules. Snowden wants to maintain independence. So far we have not been able to agree.

      We don’t need to click on the US nose for the sake of the click itself.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 29 July 2013 23: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: elenagromova
        I can’t understand one thing - what is stopping giving Snowden political asylum right now?

        Ours want Snowden, having received asylum, to play according to our rules. Snowden wants to maintain independence. So far we have not been able to agree.

        We don’t need to click on the US nose for the sake of the click itself.

        And the GDP doesn’t even make a click on the weighty turban on the forehead. And the more they press on it, the stronger it will be. And Snowden is just another card. and China simply can not resist the United States, they are too tied up.
    3. alone
      alone 29 July 2013 23: 22 New
      0
      good evening, who needs this snowden? It would have been removed for a long time if it cost something
  31. PACIFIST
    PACIFIST 29 July 2013 21: 24 New
    0
    Well, in my opinion, Snowden simply decided to make money and leaked information to the media, he saw through him and he escaped. He had the opportunity to leave for Cuba; why didn’t she go, after China where they quietly kicked him out. Asylum In Russia, he did not ask first of all, but after the heap of countries refused. This is my opinion, but Snowden is not a big figure to inflate a super duper spy thriller. And the fact that everything on the Internet is read and cell phones listen to know everything
  32. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 29 July 2013 21: 36 New
    0
    Our bosses should by no means betray Snowden, it will be a betrayal of Russia's interests, undermining its international prestige. Stop groveling before the savages.
    Snowden is not the first defector from "democratic paradise" and should not be the last.
    The Yusovites never betrayed the defectors from the USSR, expressing complete contempt for the "Russian bear", it's time to click on the beak of the "American corpse-eater" so that he gets shit.
    1. alone
      alone 29 July 2013 23: 24 New
      0
      corsair, do you think what Snowden said, the Russian special services did not know? If not, why do you need these services? Snowden did not open any America.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 30 July 2013 12: 13 New
        0
        Quote: lonely
        corsair, do you think what Snowden said, the Russian special services did not know? If not, why do you need these services? Snowden did not open any America.

        It is not a matter of Snowden's value and his information, it is a matter of principle.
        If there are defectors from a hostile camp, they need to be encouraged, then there will be more of them, and if no one issues them, they will not run to us.
  33. Kir
    Kir 29 July 2013 23: 08 New
    0
    Forgive me, but the whole story with W. Browder smells like a game with a sharper whom we don't know but only see the consequences (visible part of the consequences) of the game that continues to this day, according to the "main character" of the same material, the impression that this yesterday's (at that time) student was appointed "The main thing" on the prepared scheme, it is simply impossible to believe that a real player will dissolve peacock feathers like that, and we learn about requests for advice from his mouth - the facts of the reality of these negotiations where?
    Snowden and that Snowden, there are also at least two options:
    1 The puppet is out of control, it is important not only what he tells, but the fact that he dared not play by the "rules" and this hits the puppeteer's pride !!!
    2 A figure in the big game, by the way, the latter is even more preferable.
    1. alone
      alone 29 July 2013 23: 20 New
      0
      snowy !! who will give guarantees that Snowden is not fulfilling the order of the same CIA !! if they needed him, they could easily have been handed over to Hong Kong (too motley company). Do you think what he said was not known to the Russian special services? if he knew something, he would have been killed for a long time. and so, the next production performance, though not the best! He would finally have requested asylum in North Korea, in Iran, he would have been granted this with joy, but no. Give him Russia. here something is clearly not what you think
  34. bif
    bif 30 July 2013 00: 45 New
    +1
    I do not agree with the author - give the flies separately, cutlets separately. You can’t do anything with the “snowball”, no matter how insignificant this card is, it is played very strongly and the image losses for the Russian Federation will be unacceptably large. My version, YET sounds no less fabulous than the author's. I believe that it is time for Russia to apply some of the provisions enshrined in the law, namely, to detain Braunder on the territory of a third party, for example, Ostrovnoy, some thread of the state (summer holidays can be dangerous) by the GRU, withdraw and condemn. There is a lesson before my eyes - the arrest of Bout and other non-citizens of the United States. So there are legal grounds, in world practice - the case will not be the first and, having raised the stench from behind the hill, there are some precedents to refer to, from a technical point of view - our special service has no experience, we just need political will ...