Military Review

Tough times for the army of Belarus

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The crisis has hit the servicemen of the friendly state quite painfully.


A three-fold fall in the national currency rate in the Republic of Belarus (RB) in the spring of 2011 not only disrupted the implementation of the state procurement program of modern weapons to 2015, but also led to a sharp collapse in the social security of the military.

This especially hit the junior officers and warrant officers, as well as soldiers and sergeants of the contract service (contract soldiers in the troops, according to official data, 21 – 23 percent of the total army). It also had an effect on military pensioners.

Surprise Glavkoverha

For a decade before the collapse, the Belarusian military and their leadership were proud (restrained, without arrogance) that their monetary allowance, though not much, but still noticeably higher than their counterparts in similar positions in Russia. This difference amounted to US $ 30–50, and for certain categories of military personnel (for example, aviation) and 100–250. However, for more than two years of the crisis, and mainly because since January 1, 2012, the salary of the Russian military has increased significantly, the difference between the thickness of the wallet of the Belarusian and Russian officers has changed dramatically. Recall that a lieutenant of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the army now receives an average of about 50 thousand rubles, and in a number of geographical areas - one and a half to two times more.

Therefore, today the Belarusian military leadership is trying not to advertise especially, what are the revenues of the platoon commander, company commander, battalion commander or commander, as well as what monthly service and staff officers are satisfied with. For it will be clearly seen that even the headquarters general in the Ministry of Defense of Belarus receives two times less than the lieutenant of the Russian army, and this despite the series of salary increases during two crisis years.

Back in February, 2012, it seemed so startling to Alexander Lukashenko that at the next meeting with the head of the Security Council and the Minister of Defense, he raised the question that such a situation should be changed. "How so?! After all, Belarus and Russia have practically common army and the tasks facing it, ”he complained. At the same time, Alexander Grigorievich said that he had sent the President of Russia (then Dmitry Medvedev) “a letter about the need to find additional funds for the Belarusian servicemen at the expense of different areas of cooperation between our countries, and he promised to help in this regard”.

This statement made quite a stir in the republic itself. And the point is not that the Belarusian opposition in its own way beat the words “usurper”: they say, he finally “falls under Russia”. Suddenly, the officers who were suddenly at the bottom of social hardships came to life: many imagined that tomorrow they would begin to receive, if not such a salary, as Russian lieutenants, captains, colonels, then close to it.

This ferment in the minds was so great that literally in a few days, the country's defense minister, Lieutenant-General Yuri Zhadobin, in essence, disavowed Lukashenko's voluntary or involuntary promise. At a meeting of the Advisory Council under the Minister of Defense and the Coordination Council of Officers' Meetings of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus, the head of the republic’s defense ministry stated that the media disseminated incorrect information to the population regarding the increase in the monetary allowance of servicemen. Since “it could have been the impression that at that meeting they were talking about the need to find additional funds from the Russian budget for Belarusian servicemen”. In fact, according to him, “it was emphasized: successful military cooperation between our countries can be one of the arguments in obtaining preferences in economic matters, for example, in relation to oil or gas duties, which will replenish the country's budget and provide an opportunity to increase our money military men ". However, for more than a year, this gas and oil issue had no effect on the increase in the salaries of Belarusian servicemen. At the same time, as Zhadobin noted, the state is also looking for internal reserves in this regard. In particular, some reduction in the number of personnel is coming: “The structure of the budget of the armed forces will be optimized with an increase in the share of funds allocated for their development to 20, and in the future to 30 percent. There will also be an increase in the pay for military and civilian personnel. ”

And the rises really followed. But not the "Russian", as expected in the troops. Yes, this could not happen in principle. After all, if in Russia the ratio of military and civilian payments is more or less adjusted, has a reasonable proportion, then in Belarus, in the event of such an increase, the army captain would receive two thousand dollars, and the doctor or teacher would get 400 – 500. Only top officials receive as much as Russian lieutenants and captains. For example, the head of the National Bank of Belarus, Nadezhda Yermakova, in December 2012, mentioned that her salary was about two thousand US dollars and she had to save.

Transitional period

In such a situation, a “moaning” took place in the army (a word by the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Belarus, Yuri Zhadobin), especially among junior officers. One of them, serving in Polotsk, was not even afraid to write, having fully introduced himself, a letter to the Belarusian Military Newspaper (and it was partly printed, picked up by the opposition press), in which he indicated that he was receiving today as a cleaner at the Polotsk oil refinery. And that he, in general, has almost nothing to feed a family consisting of only three people: the wife does not work, since she recently had a child. “Belvoengazeta” immediately not only scolded the platoon officer for this misbehavior, but carried out a detailed analysis of his letter with relevant derogatory comments in an official manner — the material was entitled “The True Face of Comrade D.”. Relying on the reader’s understanding, however, was not completely justified: as rightly noted in one of the numerous hotly supported comrade D. Internet responses to this publication, “I’m afraid to assume what the“ true face ”is of the majority of young (and not so) officers” .


Already in July, at a large meeting with the military, 2012, Lukashenka again paid special attention to the issues of social protection of military personnel. According to him, in general, the salaries of officers today are higher than the average salary in the country, which corresponds to global trends. “However, this is more relevant to senior officers,” he noted. - Junior officers are not so well provided, therefore their outflow from the army takes place. In this regard, we need a clear and thoughtful position of the leadership of the armed forces, how in the current difficult financial situation to prevent the squandering of professional personnel, to preserve and educate the future of our army. ”

By that time, Yuri Zhadobin already had something to report to the president in terms of "how to raise." The leadership of the Ministry of Defense, through its powerful ideological apparatus, tentacles of which are in each company, actively introduced into the troops the idea that the state is doing everything possible to solve the problems of officers and the army as a whole (and continues to do this). And we can not say that this is unfounded rhetoric in order to calm the minds. A number of solutions were promptly worked out and implemented without swinging. In particular, to increase compensation for servicemen for sublease housing, to grant the Minister of Defense the right to use the funds released as a result of optimization of the organizational-staff army structure, for material incentives for military personnel, preferential crediting of officers in the construction of housing was introduced.

However, all these measures are insufficient. Say, the compensation for suiting of housing is already far from one hundred percent, as it was in the first decade of 2000's. Removing odnushku in Minsk costs from 250 US dollars (this is, if well, very lucky), compensate the family of a soldier, consisting of three people, on the strength of 210 – 230. And homeless in the army a lot. According to Colonel Vladimir Kutsevich, Head of the Housing Department of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus, published by Belvoengazeta in April 2013, today 10 770 military personnel (22,4 percent), including 526 citizens dismissed from military service, are in need of housing improvement. And thanks to the measures taken to provide private housing in 2012, for the first time in the period of the existence of the armed forces of the Republic of Belarus, it was possible to reduce the number of people in need of better housing conditions for 640 people. At the same time, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus does not hide the fact that at the same time, today, during the transition period, a decline in cooperative construction is forecasted, on which the stake was made before. As a result, by the end of this year, an increase in the number of military personnel who are registered needing to improve their living conditions, as well as the time of the state on such an account before joining the housing and consumer cooperative, is possible.

Comparison on the course

In February 2013, the journal of the armed forces of the Republic of Belarus Armiya published the data of the monetary allowance for typical military posts at 1 December 2012, by the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Military Economics and Finance - Chief of the Main Financial and Economic Directorate of the Ministry of Defense, Major General Peter Galeznik . According to them, the platoon commander with the rank of lieutenant with a five-ten-year service gets 3 805 900 Belarusian rubles (at an average rate this is about 440 US dollars or 13 600 Russian rubles). Company, the captain with the same length of service is content with 4 470 900 Belarusian rubles (520 dollars or 16 000 Russian rubles). Zamkombat, major with a length of service from ten to 15 years - 5 045 500 (595 dollars or 18 000 rubles). The battalion commander, a lieutenant colonel with an 15 – 20 experience of years, the cashier issues 5 963 400 (690 dollars or 21 300 rubles). The commander of the regiment, who had served more than 20 years, is 7 049 600 (820 dollars or 25 200 rubles). Finally, the commander of the operational command, according to sources of the author of these lines in the Belarusian army, receives no more than 1050 – 1100 US dollars. As for pensions, then, say, the colonel who served in the headquarters now in stock at the end of 2012 received 3 500 000 Belarusian rubles or about 405 dollars.

Not one of the sums, despite the salary increase more than doubled, they did not reach the pre-crisis level in terms of dollars or Russian rubles. Projecting these figures on the Russian army, suffice it to say that in it the ordinary contract service receives 25 – 35 thousand rubles or 820 – 1150 dollars (depending on the region of service and length of service). A retired Russian colonel, who retired with a minimum length of service of 25 years, has an income in the order of 18 – 20 thousand rubles (590 – 660 dollars). The military leadership of the Republic of Belarus reassures its subordinates only by the fact that in Ukraine the income of servicemen is even lower. But this is poor consolation.

Is there any grumbling among the troops due to the thinning of the wallets? Defense Minister Zhadobin is more than optimistic about this: “Today I am fully satisfied with the state of affairs in the officer corps. The question of the motivation of the Belarusian military is very important for us. Of course, in these difficult times, every officer and every officer family felt their financial difficulties. But in these difficult times for all, 2009 – 2011 years, when the dollar collapsed, few people quivered who left the army: around 100, the servicemen retired from the armed forces for various reasons. The average turnover rate over the years has not changed much. This suggests that the officers really came to serve. " Whatever it was, but in these two years, the military leadership conducted a powerful moral processing of the officer corps.

Today, in the Belarusian Ministry of Defense, they no longer boast, as in the 2005 year, that the staffing of the units and units of the primary officer positions is 93 – 95 percent of the staff number. With the permission of the president, cash is accrued to empty regular cells, which are proportionally distributed among the continuing officers as "correctly understanding the situation."

Nowhere to run

A number of Belarusian military experts believe that sooner or later, if servicemen do not pay well, they will go to Russia. Well, this option is possible: on the contract basis in the Russian army can serve non-citizens of the Russian Federation. However, there is no point in expecting a massive influx of military: the Russian military leadership, as Deputy Chief of the General Staff Colonel-General Vasily Smirnov stated not so long ago, was not going and is not going to solve the problem of under-staffing at the expense of foreign citizens. According to official data, in recent years, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, only no more than 110 – 115 so-called foreign citizens (mainly Tajiks, Uzbeks and Ukrainians) are serving under contract.

In the Belarusian officer corps another tendency is partly observed. Already many senior officers do not want to occupy higher positions for which they have been nominated, in order to quickly resign, to receive a military pension, to go to work "for a citizen" and thus a half to two, or even more to increase their current income. According to the author of these lines, the ideological apparatus of the Ministry of Defense is currently working out the question of how to handle officers and soldiers who will take part in the large-scale “West-2013” exercise, the main stages of which will be held in Belarus. As it is already known, nine thousand people will be involved in it, of which a significant proportion will be made by the Russian military. For talk about the salary between the participants from two friendly armies will arise necessarily and Belarusians will clearly see the differences. In the Russian expert community, they are inclined to think that in terms of military assistance, Moscow benefits from cooperating with Minsk, since our Western strategic direction is reliably covered only by the Belarusian Armed Forces. Therefore, Russia could well respond to Lukashenka’s requests for specific assistance in providing troops with new equipment or raising salaries for Belarusian servicemen.
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  1. makst83
    makst83 24 July 2013 10: 33 New
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    Why not help the Belarus brothers !? After all, we are building a union state, a common defense space, the Customs Union, the European Union and so on and so forth. My opinion is that we can very well afford to allocate 1,5-2 billion of American paper .... with a certain tractability of Lexandr Grigorievich and transparency of financing. By investing funds in the modernization of the army of the Republic of Belarus, we are strengthening the western direction! But on defense it’s better not to save! IMHO.
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 24 July 2013 21: 22 New
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      “Why not help the Belarus brothers !?” - the traders (the Kremlin) are not fit to help, they can only SELL!
      “After all, we are building a union state,” the amendment says, WE SAY that we are building a union state, but we are not doing anything for this. For example, we don’t write off the debts of Belarus ... Forgive anyone, but there is no "union" state!
      http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/433020/
      1. Enjoy
        Enjoy 25 July 2013 12: 28 New
        +3
        If 1/2 - 2/3 of the military salaries in the state will be paid by Russia, then you still need to see whose military it is. What is not the stage of building a single prosperous state? For me, Belarusians benefit both from unification and from the west, we are all covered.
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 24 July 2013 21: 29 New
      -4
      It is very pleasing that at last topics of importance for the Russian people appeared in the military review.
      I will also add 2 news:
      “We received information about the withdrawal of Russian troops from the Syrian city of Tartus a few hours after its publication. Nobody denies it - neither the Russian authorities nor the media. It is possible that this is some kind of strategy, and if so, the better. However I don’t understand such tactics, and here I have many questions. I’m not Nostradamus!

      The observer who distributes my texts to APN-SZ (it is about me. - A.S.) has provided me with material, what doubts? And here is the main source, the Russian newspaper Vedomosti, which refers to a source in the Russian Ministry of Defense. For allegations without evidence, it is sometimes useful to give factual evidence.

      Here Lenta.ru, it says the same thing ... We will say: “thank God” if this information is false. After all, we were all horrified after receiving this information ... Allen Jules, translated from French by A. Sivov
      "
      http://svoim.info/201329/?29_2_1
      nothing to comment, actually.
      Another piece of news
      "A spokesman for the US presidential administration, Jay Carney, said that Washington would like clarification from the Russian side regarding the status of Edward Snowden, reports Reuters.

      Read more: http://www.km.ru/world/2013/07/24/skandal-vokrug-edvarda-snoudena/716519-ssha-po
      prosili-rf-proyasnit-situatsiyu-so-st
      "
      THOSE. The Russian government is in a cowardly stupor and does not know what to do, with a trump card that accidentally falls on your head, use a point, suddenly the Washington Regional Committee will get angry, and it's a pity to let go. And so for several days now, the USA is already tired of waiting for our actions!
      1. mch1950
        mch1950 25 July 2013 00: 27 New
        +3
        Go to the site anna-news.info and do not put a shadow on the wattle fence in relation to Syria.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 25 July 2013 09: 30 New
          -3
          On the specified site I did not find anything about the withdrawal of troops. It appeared on the internet as a refutation of news about the withdrawal of troops.
          http://news.rambler.ru/19781061/
          In general, we will wait. I am for our troops to remain there. But the cowardice of our government is becoming commonplace.
      2. 89501358976
        89501358976 25 July 2013 02: 18 New
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        SMIRNOV MAY YOU LEAVE FROM HERE, BUT YOUR SCRIPT BY MY DID NOT REACH ONE ME? angry
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 25 July 2013 09: 32 New
          +1
          Oh, sorry to ruin your acid-base balance! hi
    3. 225chay
      225chay 25 July 2013 06: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: makst83
      Why not help the Belarus brothers !? After all, we are building a union state, a common defense space, the Customs Union, the European Union, and so on and so forth.

      Belarus needs help, Russia has opportunities
    4. Samminosh
      Samminosh 25 July 2013 20: 32 New
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      Two billion bucks for an army twenty times smaller than ours? And they will not crack anything?
      For some reason, Belarus recalls the fraternity of peoples only if it is necessary to cut the dough from the Elder Brother or to get the price benefits.
      And how to unite the countries, or to recognize Abkhazia with South Ossetia there, they recall so sharply sovereignty. No, the help should be adequate return.
    5. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 26 July 2013 15: 32 New
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      I agree. In any interstate relations, by no means I can not imagine that the Belarusian army, directly or somehow indirectly, as part of some international contingent, will fight against Russia. soldier
  2. biglow
    biglow 24 July 2013 17: 13 New
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    sooner or later, but the army of Belarus will become part of the army of Russia, this is probably the only right way, otherwise the gap on all issues will be even greater
    1. biglow
      biglow 24 July 2013 19: 07 New
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      Quote: biglow
      sooner or later, but the army of Belarus will become part of the army of Russia, this is probably the only right way, otherwise the gap on all issues will be even greater

      someone does not like the idea of ​​uniting two armies, I wonder why?
      1. KORESH80
        KORESH80 24 July 2013 19: 21 New
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        The idea is normal, especially if it had happened in the 90s, but time has passed. Now the unification of the army = the union of states. Most residents of Belarus (both the opposition and their opponents are stable) will be against this. The main power will be against it, look how we are building a union state - a year and a half on the spot, having the experience of the USSR, you can do everything much faster.
        1. biglow
          biglow 24 July 2013 19: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: KORESH80
          The idea is normal, especially if it had happened in the 90s, but time has passed. Now the unification of the army = the union of states. Most residents of Belarus (both the opposition and their opponents are stable) will be against this. The main power will be against it, look how we are building a union state - a year and a half on the spot, having the experience of the USSR, you can do everything much faster.

          in 90 where it was not possible, then it was about the survival of Russia itself, and now the time is coming slowly for this. And those who are always against, for this we need a strong leader to go to the goal and not pay attention to those who are against Empires cannot be built otherwise
          1. KORESH80
            KORESH80 24 July 2013 20: 36 New
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            The fact of the matter is that our people somehow do not want to be in the Empire with all the advantages and disadvantages attached to it. The mentality is such that it would live quietly, be your own master. Well, I would not want to see much of the Russian reality - a large number of snickering "masters of life", a crowd of arrogant Caucasians and other Asians (I would not want to offend anyone, there are good people among them, but mostly they stay at home).
        2. avt
          avt 24 July 2013 21: 18 New
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          Quote: KORESH80
          The main power will be against it, look how we are building a union state - a year and a half on the spot, having the experience of the USSR, you can do everything much faster.

          Do not flatter yourself. The only thing in this case that unites the USSR and the Union State is the word union. The rest is all words, there are not even regulatory documents explaining what it is, only a protocol on its creation, not to mention supranational power structures that make decisions binding on the parties. Everything is regulated by intergovernmental agreements. Even the TS is a more sane structure than the union state. So there is some kind of structural insurance that suddenly the hut will turn to the forest in front and back to us, by and large there is no, except for popular opinion. But if the idea of ​​europeization takes hold of the minds of the people from the supply of the national elite, then there is an example to see how events will develop - Ukraine. I hope the Belarusians will have enough intelligence and endurance, while it seems like savvy did not fail. smile
        3. mch1950
          mch1950 25 July 2013 00: 30 New
          +2
          Again in the USSR?
          Unification is possible only by entering the Russian Federation.
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  3. svp67
    svp67 24 July 2013 18: 19 New
    +3
    Comparing salaries is the easiest, or maybe even comparing costs, I thinking that then the difference will not be so catastrophic ...
    1. KORESH80
      KORESH80 24 July 2013 19: 05 New
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      Now, especially after the creation of the customs union, prices in the Republic of Belarus, if they were lower, are now equal. And in many positions much higher. $ 500 official average income is rare in small cities.
      1. svp67
        svp67 24 July 2013 19: 12 New
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        Quote: KORESH80
        Now, especially after the creation of the customs union, prices in the Republic of Belarus, if they were lower, are now equal
        Of course, it is more visible on the spot, I immediately use what Net gives


        Minsk Moscow
        average salary 343,5 USD 840 USD
        Coca-Cola 1 L 0,83 USD 1,29 USD
        Drinking water 1 l 0,60 USD 0,97 USD
        Milk 1l 0,54 USD 1,29 USD
        Meat (pork) 1kg 7,14 USD 7,42 USD
        Rice 1 kg 1,07 USD 1,77 USD
        Hamburger at McDonald's 0,93 USD 1,77 USD
        AI-95 gasoline 1 l 0,79 USD 1,00 USD
        Cigarettes xnumx pack 0,83 USD 1,45 USD
        1. KORESH80
          KORESH80 24 July 2013 19: 34 New
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          Often I am in Moscow, I take only meat from Belarus (sausage, stew) with me and I can’t compare the quality here. Previously, I could still take vodka, but now for $ 5 -6 both from you and us, although I can’t drink yours - a palette for any money. Otherwise, I don’t see much difference, it depends on the distribution network. Coffee in Moscow can also be drunk for 30 rubles. and for 300.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 25 July 2013 03: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Minsk Moscow

          Minsk should not be compared with Moscow, but with such cities as Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, Rostov-on-Don, Novosibirsk, Sverdlovsk.
          1. Soldier
            Soldier 25 July 2013 06: 42 New
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            Our prices in Novosibirsk are the same as in Moscow for everything except housing. But the salaries are much lower.
  4. vjhbc
    vjhbc 24 July 2013 18: 35 New
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    Yes, it’s hard for us now, but it’s not scary and all kinds of horror stories about someone somewhere running away all the horror stories and no more help than helping, and then dances with tambourines begin that they say you live at our expense and do not kiss
    1. Uralean
      Uralean 25 July 2013 10: 27 New
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      Interesting idea !!! And it is more interesting, but how many percent of the military personnel of R. Belorusi is it supported? If it’s significant, then really, you don’t have to offer any help, but everything that is done there, they will digest it inside themselves .. Help is provided only to those who ask .. but not offer .. So that there are no insults and reproaches ..
  5. Alexey M
    Alexey M 24 July 2013 18: 40 New
    +9
    But dad Lukoshenko wanted to put it and puts it on liberals and shit-racers from Europe. And it’s not a tricky business to add his salaries. They steal from them several times less than ours.
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 July 2013 18: 58 New
    +7
    Hold on to the Belarusians .. In this matter, we will help you. Now we need to stick together. The time tense in the world Uncle Sam is tearing and mosques from powerlessness to quarrel us Slavs.
  7. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 24 July 2013 19: 07 New
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    In order to hope for the Belarusian army to become part of the Russian army, for this it is necessary that the integration processes do not "smolder", but go by leaps and bounds. There is no hope that this process will be accelerated. On the one hand, it is believed that it is not a great power to bow to a state the size of the Moscow region ... on the other hand they answer ... that although we are few, we are in vests ... you give only an alliance on an equal footing ... and where is the guarantee that the big business of Russia will not swallow the economy of Belarus in one gulp (the Belarusians do not want to “grab” according to Chubais!) ... Yes, and many in Belarus do not like the rampant bribery, crime, in Russia social stratification. I am not a citizen of Belarus ... like Ukraine, I just had a rest with my grandson in Crimea and tomorrow I will leave home for Russia. Therefore, what I wrote above is the point of view of the middle strata of Minsk people ... including and former military personnel.
    Without the support of Russian finance and military-technical assistance, it will be difficult for the armies of Belarus ... but they essentially carry out the border function of our state in a single defense alliance. First of all, in the air defense system! If there is a politician in Russia who understands this and offers our State Duma to support the armed forces of the fraternal people ... Russia will only win! Not that much money is needed for this - it’s enough not to buy a hundred - another luxury cars for our “celestials” from the bureaucratic army.
    1. biglow
      biglow 24 July 2013 20: 05 New
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      Quote: KazaK Bo
      In order to hope for the Belarusian army to become part of the Russian army, for this it is necessary that the integration processes do not "smolder", but go by leaps and bounds. There is no hope that this process will be accelerated. On the one hand, it is believed that it is not a great power to bow to a state the size of the Moscow region ... on the other hand they answer ... that although we are few, we are in vests ... you give only an alliance on an equal footing ... and where is the guarantee that the big business of Russia will not swallow the economy of Belarus in one gulp (the Belarusians do not want to “grab” according to Chubais!) ... Yes, and many in Belarus do not like the rampant bribery, crime, in Russia social stratification. I am not a citizen of Belarus ... like Ukraine, I just had a rest with my grandson in Crimea and tomorrow I will leave home for Russia. Therefore, what I wrote above is the point of view of the middle strata of Minsk people ... including and former military personnel.
      Without the support of Russian finance and military-technical assistance, it will be difficult for the armies of Belarus ... but they essentially carry out the border function of our state in a single defense alliance. First of all, in the air defense system! If there is a politician in Russia who understands this and offers our State Duma to support the armed forces of the fraternal people ... Russia will only win! Not that much money is needed for this - it’s enough not to buy a hundred - another luxury cars for our “celestials” from the bureaucratic army.

      all equality is a formality or convention, when someone agrees to recognize certain rules of the game, we know how the Soviet Union was organized, and everything worked if it weren’t for the betrayal of the leadership, it would still work. There would probably be no other principles for a full-fledged state maybe. And all the rest of what you wrote about is the inevitability that sooner or later will happen, to one degree or another, with or without us. Already in Belarus there is a crisis of overproduction, warehouses are clogged with finished products that have nowhere to go, and something needs to be done with this, maybe it's time to change the structure of the economy ...
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 25 July 2013 03: 47 New
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        Quote: biglow
        because we know how the Soviet Union was organized, and everything worked, if not for the betrayal of the leadership

        Of course, everything worked wonderfully on the shoulders of Russian Ivan, as the classic did:
        will make this railroad
        will endure all that the Lord will not send
        will make everything broad and clear
        breast pave the way for himself
        sorry only to live in this wonderful time
        neither you nor I will have to.
  8. GEO
    GEO 24 July 2013 19: 09 New
    +1
    brothers have already helped Xnumx. Thank you very much...
    1. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 24 July 2013 20: 14 New
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      Quote: GEO
      brothers have already helped Xnumx. Thank you very much...

      If you are on arms deliveries, then the Russian Federation also seems to be friends with Armenia (a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization), and Azerbaijan is arming as it did not dream of Belarus and Kazakhstan combined (members of the CU). This business is nothing personal.
  9. My address
    My address 24 July 2013 19: 24 New
    +1
    It will be optimal to allocate funds with the necessary reservations. In fact, it will not help, and the usual wage. The Belarusian army is an ally in the defense of Russia.
  10. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 July 2013 19: 29 New
    +2
    We are not vindictive ... But they will have to unite in any way (I mean the Army, the military-industrial complex) will crush us alone .. I think the countries should not be listed, everyone knows how to do this and what happens to them later ..
  11. Smersh
    Smersh 24 July 2013 19: 40 New
    -1
    Yes, let them already join us, and let us all be happy
  12. waisson
    waisson 24 July 2013 19: 48 New
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    so let's help Old Man in his internal problems, Belarusians are the kindest people to them, they will rally you in double good
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 24 July 2013 20: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: waisson
      good to them, they will double you good
      I agree, I have a Belarusian wife. That's right yes
  13. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 24 July 2013 19: 59 New
    0
    And what kind of drones are there in the background ... so sweet.
  14. Grenz
    Grenz 24 July 2013 20: 04 New
    +2
    After reading some bitter sediment. Yes, if the Belarusians had oil, such an article would not have been a priori. Why gloat? Remember, we have ads in subway cars where the salary of an assistant train driver was higher than the salary of a senior officer.
    I did not like this material. In which case - in the same trenches we will sit. And what will be there - these are my cartridges, but these are yours and do not ask me. To all who without gloating for Old Man plus with a glass!
  15. Isk1984
    Isk1984 24 July 2013 20: 17 New
    +5
    Yes, if they had at least a little oil from the volumes that we are going to offshore, Belarus would generally be inaccessible economically and militarily. It’s a pity there aren’t such free storerooms that our sisters ... can only cut to the West look into the eyes ...
    1. Uralean
      Uralean 25 July 2013 10: 39 New
      -1
      Yes, these are not our storerooms, like oil produced in Russia, and Gas, too .... Who owns these companies? Russian Government? No .. International companies in which the Russian government’s share is lower than the plinth ... And therefore, Russia receives from this oil and gas only taxes for production and transportation, and all the profit goes not to the state budget (development of production, infrastructure, region , housing problems of the population, the army, and the navy), and to offshore abroad to its real owners ... Not surely, something goes to the development of the oil and gas production region, but only from taxes and left in the region, the remaining tax deductions settle in Moscow .. So it turns out that the Russians are not the owners of their natural resources .. They are only gatekeepers at mining enterprises, who pay a tax (bribe) for the protection and opening of the export gate.
  16. krez-74
    krez-74 24 July 2013 20: 18 New
    +3
    Everything will be fine! Russia and Belarus, the essence of one! We solve all the problems together! But basically I’m sure, showing the view that we are different countries, we have more opportunities for the divorce of the West.
    Well, Old Man is a real statesman, the solution of problems without which not one state can do, will be found!
    1. tirazu
      tirazu 25 July 2013 12: 01 New
      0
      Pink snot is wonderful. Only something our very great friend and ally, Old Man Abkhazia and South Ossetia did not recognize at all ((
  17. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 24 July 2013 20: 38 New
    0
    The article is more than 2 years old, stupid reprint of old material, panic and provocation no more.
    If everything is so bad, why did the trend appear in the Russian Federation to leave for permanent residence in Belarus?
  18. lonshakovpetr
    lonshakovpetr 24 July 2013 20: 56 New
    +3
    Yes, we would have such an Old Man, as in Belarus) good
  19. Aeneas
    Aeneas 24 July 2013 21: 57 New
    0
    You know, in vain the “command of the Belarusian army” is “reassuring” that the Ukrainians have less salaries. Here I figured financial allowance, so in Ukraine they get more, which is why I am surprised a lot. Not to mention the Navy, where they raised their allowance to somehow keep up with the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy. Now the Ukrainian midshipman receives as a Belarusian captain ... True, in Ukraine there is no money, like a class, for renting housing. And the apartment line is unrealistically large and no prospects are visible.
  20. Thirsty for wind
    Thirsty for wind 25 July 2013 00: 06 New
    +3
    Fulfill the right of the treb to rob Adnolkaw pennies. We sweat and hutyenka abyadnat troops.
    (First of all, you need to make the same money. Then quickly unite the troops.)
    But even so, shifts are noticeable, and joint exercises and a "maaaaaalenkaya bazochka" of sushki, with s-300 infa pop up.
    And the salaries of the military, yes, are small, well ...
    But let me notice one topic.
    Our AHL is more difficult with finances, and Putin with the “5th column”. Everyone has their own problems.
    But Putin likes me more, it’s painfully beautiful for Western lascivious cats to pour pepper under the tail of pepper.
    KGB skillfully "forge damask steel." Rezun seems to be also from the KGB, but this is a campaign of for-marriage-forging.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 25 July 2013 00: 24 New
      +1
      Well done. Everything was painted correctly. Are you from Minsk? I really want to chat with people from Minsk
  21. studentmati
    studentmati 25 July 2013 01: 06 New
    +4
    Tough times for the army of Belarus

    That's why they are times to be hard. "Times do not choose, they live and die in them"
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 25 July 2013 01: 19 New
      0
      Sanya is great! How are you?
  22. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 25 July 2013 05: 07 New
    0
    In fact, not everything is determined by money, if an officer will serve only for the sake of money, then this officer is not needed, at any moment he can simply sell us all. Maybe in Belarus the military receive less than ours, but they have a motivation to serve their homeland, and not the master. Moreover, I am sure that in addition to money, they also have laid benefits. I will not argue which ones, but I am sure that they are significant.
    1. Samminosh
      Samminosh 25 July 2013 20: 34 New
      0
      But to think about the survival of your family, and not the performance of military duty is also impossible.
  23. Kazbek
    Kazbek 25 July 2013 21: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander D.
    Quote: GEO
    brothers have already helped Xnumx. Thank you very much...

    If you are on arms deliveries, then the Russian Federation also seems to be friends with Armenia (a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization), and Azerbaijan is arming as it did not dream of Belarus and Kazakhstan combined (members of the CU). This business is nothing personal.

    If Kazakhstan wanted, Azerbaijan would hesitate to be persecuted.
  24. onegin61
    onegin61 25 July 2013 22: 23 New
    0
    To begin with, Belarus has never been a power. It’s high time for Lukashenko to put his ambitions in ... and through a referendum to join Russia as a southwestern federal district. Then both gas and oil and weapons will be at domestic prices and the sale of products on the Russian market is legal. And so everything is somehow on handouts in Tihari, but I can’t through.