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Rogozin will agree with the French on the joint production of weapons

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Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the Russian military-industrial complex, confirmed reports of his upcoming visit to France to discuss the issue of joint production of certain types of weapons. “This will not be about purchasing finished products in France, but about joint production,” he wrote on his microblog on Twitter. The Vice Prime Minister noted that “it’s not a shame to adopt the best experience and knowledge” and “everything that will be adopted by our army and fleetmust be produced in Russia. "


Earlier, ITAR-TASS, citing the opinion of French military expert Arnaud Calico, announced the intention of the French Ministry of Defense to further strengthen military-technical cooperation (MTC) with Russia. In the future, this should lead to the signing of new defense contracts with the Russian Federation after the completion of the construction of Mistral-type helicopter carriers for the Russian Navy.

Rogozin announced his plans to visit France this fall at the 6-th International Navy Salon (St. Petersburg). His intention to consolidate the new approach between the two countries in the field of military-technical cooperation is also supported by French Defense Minister Jean-Yves le Drian. According to the French expert, the Russian Directorate has already formed in the Defense Directorate General for Armament (DGA) of the Ministry of Defense.

In June, the Concern "Constellation" and the French multinational corporation "Thales" (Thales) signed a license agreement on the joint production of radio communication facilities. According to the general director of the concern Azret Bekkiev, the Russian side will assemble from the supplied kits a family of radio stations SOTA (310-470 MHz operating range), which provide simultaneous transmission of speech and other data, including real-time video and locations. The stations will be additionally equipped with GLONASS, GPS, Galileo (Galileo) navigation system modules, as well as built-in cryptographic protection.

A source in the military-industrial complex, said that the Russian and French gunsmiths are working together to install the combat module "Bakhcha" from the BMP-3 on the NTXTER BTR.

Earlier, the media reported the intention of the UAE to acquire several hundred such hybrids.

Viktor Murakhovsky, a member of the Public Council of the Chairman of the Military Industrial Complex under the Government of the Russian Federation, believes that “we have a unique experience with France in creating cooperation in the production of certain types of weapons. In particular, based on the transferred technologies, joint production of thermal imagers at the UOMZ was organized. inertial navigation systems for our combat aircraft, from the field of electronics (firms "Thales" and "Safran"), shipbuilding and in other areas. In connection with the chosen course in the Russian Federation for the acquisition of technology, this visit is quite natural. ”

Руслан Пухов, директор Центра анализа стратегий и технологий. «Здесь имеется три момента. Во-первых, большой резонанс в свое время имела покупка «Мистралей» и наверняка темой номер один будет вопрос о покупке Россией третьего и четвертого кораблей этого типа. Во-вторых, сборка по лицензиям французских фирм tank тепловизоров в Вологде («Талес») и инерциальных систем для нашей aviation in Ramenskoye, Moscow Region ("Soot"), the purchase of light Eurocopter helicopters for the Ministry of Defense and several others. The third aspect of Rogozin’s visit could be giving a new impetus to the negotiations between the two countries on France’s possible purchase of individual Russian weapons, from Mi-26 helicopters to Krasnopol ammunition. Another area of ​​the visit may be the issue of joint development and production of special cable-laying and supply vessels, which are necessary for both countries. President Hollande made such an offer to President Putin during his visit to Moscow. ”
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 07: 10 New
    -9
    It all starts in a new way, and even MI 26 sells them and so they produce them individually.
    1. Nick
      Nick 19 July 2013 08: 10 New
      10
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It all starts in a new way, and even MI 26 sells them and so they produce them individually.

      Alexander, orders will be created and production facilities, and new jobs and taxes to the budget, etc. etc. Not all of Russia can trade oil and gas, it is more profitable to use high-tech products ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 July 2013 08: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Nick
        Not all of Russia can trade oil and gas, it is more profitable to use high-tech products ...

        Perhaps you are right, but I already have an allergy to military contracts with France.
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 19 July 2013 09: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Perhaps you are right, but I already have an allergy to military contracts with France.

          Chronic allergy to such contracts seems to develop among the majority of Russian residents. We will wait for the results of these experiments with the hope that they will be promising primarily for our industry and defense industry. In this case, the allergy may also recede without medical intervention.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 19 July 2013 09: 01 New
          +5
          I think it’s not a sin to take the best from them, and translate into a better one with us. Let the adversaries share their workings, France also had a hand in the collapse of our military-industrial complex during the perestroika years. Time to throw stones and time to collect stones.
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 19 July 2013 11: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Perhaps you are right, but I already have an allergy to military contracts with France.

          With an eye to the past, we can say that until October 1917 Russia-France relations in the military-technical sphere developed quite successfully and “smoothly” - unlike other members of the ANTANT block.
          Now YES, “Misrali” slightly “spoiled” almost the first steps in the SCT, but this is only the beginning, the first experience ...
        4. dmitreach
          dmitreach 20 July 2013 02: 34 New
          0
          France, Nanglia, USA, China, Russia ... The choice is not great ...
      2. andrejwz
        andrejwz 19 July 2013 12: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Nick
        Not all of Russia can trade oil and gas, it is more profitable to use high-tech products ...

        Well, yes, France’s radio communications are probably in front of the rest of the planet. And, in my opinion, these are just doors that are convenient to enter, since they have already come to you.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 20 July 2013 02: 32 New
          0
          I will not say about the connection, but in the production of matrices for thermal imagers ... yes, yes - ahead of the rest. (or in the lead)
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 19 July 2013 08: 13 New
      +8
      Every self-respecting state should, whenever possible, provide itself with military products. But we must admit that not a single country in the world produces ALL equipment on its own, and that all this equipment is the best in the world. Even the high-tech United States buys a significant amount of equipment abroad. This is natural. In some ways you are strong, in some ways you have been beaten ... Something to produce at home will cost much more than to buy abroad. Even in Soviet times, something was supplied from the countries of the socialist camp. And there is still the possibility that, having closed itself from imports, you can boil in your own juice ...
    3. experienced
      experienced 19 July 2013 09: 29 New
      -2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It all starts in a new way, and even MI 26 sells them and so they produce them individually.

      It seems that the journalist Rogozin decided to buy something in France and "stick" to the Russian budget. This clown only on Twitter is constantly "sensation" soaking, this "news" is also taken from there. And where and in what state he tweeted remains unclear. I could tweet late last night about the conclusion of peace with the Martians and the declaration of war on England, but abstained and declared war on the Pacific, which is why he crap one's pants wassat
    4. krasin
      krasin 19 July 2013 09: 41 New
      +2
      The West is reluctant to help Russia with modernization. But Russian purchases and joint development deals are slowly closing the gap in technology and electronics.
  2. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 19 July 2013 07: 36 New
    -2
    And what remains to be done if our microcircuits and processors are suitable only for the manufacture of cheap children's toys by Chinese craftsmen. France is certainly not a leader in this area, but at least it does not refuse to transfer its technologies - of course in exchange for ours.
    1. Nick
      Nick 19 July 2013 08: 13 New
      0
      Quote: a.hamster55
      And what remains to be done if our microcircuits and processors are suitable only for the manufacture of cheap children's toys by Chinese craftsmen

      Well, not everything is so gloomy, in Zelenograd they produce unique electronic products that are quoted all over the world ...
    2. Furnace driver
      Furnace driver 19 July 2013 09: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: a.hamster55
      And what remains to be done if our microcircuits and processors are suitable only for the manufacture of cheap children's toys by Chinese craftsmen. France is certainly not a leader in this area, but at least it does not refuse to transfer its technologies - of course in exchange for ours.

      You got excited, let's start with the story:
      http://telegrafist.org/2013/07/16/72680/

      And regarding our microcircuits and processors, read, you will be a little up to date and do not say such mistakes:
      http://www.russianelectronics.ru/leader-r/review/doc/60132/
    3. user
      user 19 July 2013 09: 14 New
      -1
      a.hamster55 RU Today, 07:36 AM New

      And what remains to be done if our microcircuits and processors are suitable only for the manufacture of cheap children's toys by Chinese craftsmen. France is certainly not a leader in this area, but at least it does not refuse to transfer its technologies - of course in exchange for ours.

      It would be better if they gave this money to Russian research institutes, I will not even list the areas where WE are behind a simple lack of funding.
      Because no country in the world will be sharing technology of the latest generation, especially in the military and dual-use.
      And the technology of yesterday, taking into account the time of their introduction into the troops and the training of personnel, does it make sense to buy at all, because by that time others will appear.
      And in general, what Serdyukov has, that Shoigu has advisers (I look at the decisions made) generally do not have techies, roughly speaking specialists, those who would be in the subject. They are surrounded by some EFFECTIVE MANAGERS who, in addition to cutting the allocated funds, do not have enough time or mind
      1. aqnre
        aqnre 19 July 2013 17: 38 New
        +1
        I don’t understand who is minus a very sensible comment. It is very presumptuous to expect mutually beneficial cooperation in advanced technologies from a NATO member. Need to raise your own, if possible
    4. Fire
      Fire 19 July 2013 11: 43 New
      +1
      the only question is, will Mr. Rogozin give our secret developments to a potential adversary (NATO)? as for microcircuits and processors, ours already somehow boasted of the new architecture created in Zelenograd processor years ago, and it all ended ... and it’s a pity ..
  3. ed65b
    ed65b 19 July 2013 08: 39 New
    0
    The correct way is Comrade. Rogozin is the best in the West to produce in Russia and to equip our army.
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 19 July 2013 08: 40 New
    -1
    How is it ... and about experience, the son of difficult mistakes ... judging by our experience, the son is simply not far in his development. Our country cooperated with Italians, now the French. The article does not have the word production, but there is only an assembly ... it has already passed. Especially touching is the assembly of radio stations, such as cryptographic protection. three times haha, the NATO will not even have to strain to determine the location and wiretap, this is their standard, as everything will happen ... well, naturally, Chinese comrades, the same with two hands, because a hundred and a pound elementary base was made from them , i.e. and they will be in the subject of negotiations. In Soviet times, intelligence worked, giving information about the product of interest, military and civilian purposes, their similarities and their differences. A license was bought to produce a full cycle of the civilian version of the product, for example, a television set. Specialists studied and made on its basis a military version of a radio technical product using components.
  5. Furnace driver
    Furnace driver 19 July 2013 09: 30 New
    -2
    assembly under licenses of French firms of tank thermal imagers in Vologda ("Thales")
    as if ours are worse, they know how to upset with such news, but in optics, our country has been leading in the roles of the USSR since the times of the USSR. it’s with the introduction of the microelement base into production that the congestion happened and the lamps were sawn for a long time on the lamps. But in fact, even in microelectronics, development was ahead of the rest at that time.
  6. cosmos111
    cosmos111 19 July 2013 09: 36 New
    -3
    Initially, they ditched their defense industry (MIC).
    Now they are traveling around the world, and they are purchasing technology.
    In the USSR, everything was the opposite on 100%. We sold weapons and technologies. And now we can’t provide the howl of the military-industrial complex.
    When stools were bought, trotters were hoisted. Now, what will we begin.
    Technology abroad should be mined only by intelligence.
    1. chauvinist
      chauvinist 19 July 2013 09: 38 New
      +6
      CCCP has not always disdained to borrow advanced technology.
      1. phantom359
        phantom359 19 July 2013 15: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: chauvinist
        CCCP has not always disdained to borrow advanced technology.

        USA and Japan too.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 19 July 2013 09: 48 New
      +6
      Quote: cosmos111
      In the USSR, everything was 100% the opposite. We sold weapons and technology.

      Not sold, but distributed to various Papuans from limpopo.
    3. phantom359
      phantom359 19 July 2013 10: 34 New
      +6
      Well, now it’s too late to moan, since we decided to buy, there are objective reasons for that.
  7. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 19 July 2013 10: 38 New
    +2
    But in the United States, they never produced their VCRs. felt that it’s cheaper to buy from the Japanese.
    1. aqnre
      aqnre 19 July 2013 17: 47 New
      0
      So I, for example, have nothing against Finnish toilets.
      Another matter is the strategic area for any power - the area of ​​armaments. Do many f-16s produce in Japan for the USA? Or in China?
  8. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 19 July 2013 10: 42 New
    10
    France has arms production and development independent of the United States, and they are competitors in the market. The United States cooperates in the production of arms with many countries, so why Russia does not cooperate with France, in my opinion, is a worthy option, there are such technology developments ahead that the United States alone can not stand either Russia or France, and together there is a chance.
  9. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 19 July 2013 10: 52 New
    +3
    Dear Oven Driver! Maybe you’re right, but for 8 years I have been working with DRL and FOCL equipment and I see that the equipment was manufactured in Russia by the company “N”, and you open the block and see the “made in” filling
    So where are our ingenious development ideas in practice?
  10. ed65b
    ed65b 19 July 2013 11: 57 New
    +1
    And where did you want the production of chips? How to collect microelectronics if you don’t have your own factories and nanochubais only pees .. can? until they build the assembly later, production the whole world goes this way. Jordanians collect our hashim and do not buzz. Why are we unhappy?
  11. Fire
    Fire 19 July 2013 12: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Oven Driver
    Quote: a.hamster55
    And what remains to be done if our microcircuits and processors are suitable only for the manufacture of cheap children's toys by Chinese craftsmen. France is certainly not a leader in this area, but at least it does not refuse to transfer its technologies - of course in exchange for ours.

    You got excited, let's start with the story:
    http://telegrafist.org/2013/07/16/72680/

    And regarding our microcircuits and processors, read, you will be a little up to date and do not say such mistakes:
    http://www.russianelectronics.ru/leader-r/review/doc/60132/


    dear furnace driver, in your pre-written article it is clearly written, domestic processors are used so far in the S-300 and S-400 systems, even our air defense is not limited to only these two systems. I myself work with military electronics and, to my great regret, I have to use Americanos processors and FPGAs. although our Zelenograd residents have every opportunity to produce a sufficient number of percent for the military using 90-nm technology ...
  12. AVDOTYAKARLOVNA
    AVDOTYAKARLOVNA 19 July 2013 12: 59 New
    -1
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    France has arms production and development independent of the United States, and they are competitors in the market. The United States cooperates in the production of arms with many countries, so why Russia does not cooperate with France, in my opinion, is a worthy option, there are such technology developments ahead that the United States alone can not stand either Russia or France, and together there is a chance.


    It will be like with Israeli UAVs .. you just get the advanced technology, well, years through. As a result, Ragozin will pout on France and say that he will grow his genes.
  13. rudolff
    rudolff 19 July 2013 13: 28 New
    +2
    Probably not a single state in the world can boast that it releases on its territory all the elemental nomenclature for microelectronics. Setting up "clean rooms" is not a problem, but what can you do with them later? With a profitability of several million (conditionally) microcircuits, the needs of our industry are several orders of magnitude less. So, we need gigantic subsidies and subsidies, or to make the product competitive in the foreign market both in quality and in price. It’s not for nothing that the same Micron, having the ability to produce circuits of almost any level, drives the sought-after “micro-consumer goods”. Chips for access cards, payment cards, for biometric passports, etc. We could raise our microelectronics quickly enough if our rulers turned to face this problem, and were not only concerned about the sale of oil and gas resources. It was high time to free the electronics industry from any kind of taxes, create a favorable investment climate, finally remove this red thief from Rosnano and force this corporation to do exactly what it was intended for. In the meantime, only one talking room. And if we also have some groundwork for microelectronics, then it was preserved in spite of, and not thanks to!
  14. Fire
    Fire 19 July 2013 13: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: rudolff
    Probably not a single state in the world can boast that it releases on its territory all the elemental nomenclature for microelectronics. Setting up "clean rooms" is not a problem, but what can you do with them later? With a profitability of several million (conditionally) microcircuits, the needs of our industry are several orders of magnitude less. So, we need gigantic subsidies and subsidies, or to make the product competitive in the foreign market both in quality and in price. It’s not for nothing that the same Micron, having the ability to produce circuits of almost any level, drives the sought-after “micro-consumer goods”. Chips for access cards, payment cards, for biometric passports, etc. We could raise our microelectronics quickly enough if our rulers turned to face this problem, and were not only concerned about the sale of oil and gas resources. It was high time to free the electronics industry from any kind of taxes, create a favorable investment climate, finally remove this red thief from Rosnano and force this corporation to do exactly what it was intended for. In the meantime, only one talking room. And if we also have some groundwork for microelectronics, then it was preserved in spite of, and not thanks to!


    Dear rudolff! our laws are not perfect. There are too many ways to circumvent any law, and the punishment system is the most humane ... "our court is the most humane court in the world! Cheers!" - “coward” (Georgy Vitsyn) from the movie “Caucasian captive”.
    Now, when this humanism ceases, and officials of ANY level begin to give real terms, up to a life sentence, it is a pity the death penalty has been abolished, then the order in the country will prevail.
  15. okosl
    okosl 19 July 2013 13: 50 New
    0
    Have you heard the main news? The authorities have leaked the entire database about all of us into the network, block access to your data while it is possible (find yourself and click close access)! Here is the site- http://vbazes.gu.ma
  16. urganov
    urganov 19 July 2013 15: 18 New
    -2
    According to cryptotechnology, the French suck. in twenty - forty years they can only reach our current level. I declare responsibly. By thermal imaging approximately at the same level. By development and individual samples. But we are lagging behind in the mass introduction of this into the army, there is something to be learned from the French.
  17. UFO
    UFO 19 July 2013 16: 16 New
    +1
    Rogozin does the right thing, stop boiling in your own juice - already "indigestion".
    The teachings of the BBO are just one old thing, and the “gide” “Tigers”, “Lynxes”, “Wolves”, “Bears” and other MRAP? Only in Bronnitsy they drive at the training ground, do they "compete" with competitors for commercials.
    The French have a lot of good developments, if there is WHAT to take, we must take it, especially the “joint production”. Psheki won Patria for themselves under a license, and now they will export - who benefits? yes