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A wall with barbed wire for the North Caucasus?

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After the arrest of the “chief Makhachkala” by Said Amirov, the situation in Dagestan somewhat calmed down. It was naively thought that the law enforcement officers needed only to isolate the mayor of Makhachkala from the criminal organism so that peace and tranquility reign in the long-suffering Dagestan land. However, naivety, as usual, failed, as terrorist attacks in the North Caucasian republics have recently begun to show themselves again. These manifestations prove that if Amirov was (is) the "godfather" of the Dagestan gang-underground, then in the republic and in addition to Amirov there were gentlemen performing orders from those persons whose quiet life in Dagestan is clearly not included in the plans. Or, Amirov’s power is so great that he can even “control” the situation in the republic from the temporary detention center.


A wall with barbed wire for the North Caucasus?


Sunday noon on the road leading from the village of Burshi to Kumukh (the administrative center of Lak region), unknown from the automatic weapons fired on representatives of law enforcement bodies of Lak district. Four police officers who were returning from Burshi at the time after the inspection, according to a local resident’s statement about the theft, were killed on the spot. Immediately, the KTO regime was introduced in the republic, which has not yet helped the security forces to enter the grouping.

Although, frankly, it is strange that it did not help. After all, the ambush, arranged by the bandits on the road, and the call of the policemen in Burshi on the statement about the theft, are in all likelihood related to each other. It is for this reason that it would not hurt the operatives to check the person who called the police to draw up a report on the theft, which has yet to be confirmed. However, we will not go in the direction of the teachings of law enforcement officials, who, it is to be hoped, ultimately determine themselves with productive actions to uncover the crime committed.

A day later, the tragedy broke out in the Tsumadinsky district of Dagestan. In the village of Khushtad, three (according to other sources, two) armed men infiltrated the house of an 61-year-old elementary school teacher Abusupyan Omarov, took the man’s relatives to another room, after which the teachers were shot. The man died from his wounds, and the gangsters, who, obviously, staged a certain version of domestic execution, fled from the scene of the murder. In the Tsumadinsky district, after the tragedy, the Vulkan-4 plan was introduced in Omarov’s house and a criminal case was instituted under Art. 105 ch. illegal arms trafficking by a group of persons.

Ramazan Abdulatipov, who today serves as the head of the Republic of Dagestan, said he requires personal responsibility for what happened with the representatives of the administration of the regions where the tragedies occurred. And the fact that Abdulatipov was not used to throwing words to the wind, stating the need for a systematic (total) fight against terrorism and extremism in the republic, can be judged at least by the arrest of the same Said Amirov, who in many Dagestan seemed unsinkable. If so, the chairs can stagger under the heads of the Lak and Tsumadinsky districts. If operational actions also do not end efficiently, then the heads of district ATS may also lose their posts.

To conduct a multi-stage check of heads of regional administrations, "additional laxity" will be thrown by the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It is obvious that after the incident with Amirov, Abdulatipov understands perfectly well that a check carried out by local security officials may not lead to a result. The reason is still the same clanging that has pierced the region, which is one of the main reasons why the situation here is not actually controlled by the central authorities. And if so, then we can expect that in the near future operatives from the federal center may appear in Dagestan in order to “sweep through” local Dagestan officials, who admit the presence of militants hiding in the regions, the rule of law in which is the main task of these same officials.

Let us return to the incidents, which resulted in five violent deaths. At the same time, the attacks are of a completely different, at first glance, character. In one case, gangsters kill policemen - and this, unfortunately, has become the bloody norm for Dagestan, in another case - they are shooting a school teacher. The second episode ranks with the killing of athletes, members of the clergy, medical workers. And the reason for this is most likely the fact that certain forces do not like it, that the Dagestan people do not want to roll into the jungle of that extremist dogma that someone persistently tries to pass off as a branch of Islam. The murder of a teacher clearly reveals the nature of those who went to this heinous crime: to make the people of the republic forget both the classical faith and the secular basis of building a state. Make fear to obey, to comply with the requirements. After all, a people who live in constant fear is much easier to manage than people who are confident in themselves, in their faith, and in their future.

The killing of policemen is a new desire to show that the real power in Dagestan is the power of those who are taking all measures to turn the republic into another hot spot on the map of Russia.

Meanwhile, new extremist attacks in the North Caucasus again served as a pretext for activating those who sleep and see the Caucasus outside of the territory of Russia. Gentlemen, who claim that the only way out for Russia is to fence off from Dagestan, Chechnya, Kabardino-Balkaria and other North Caucasian republics with a concrete wall, on top of which multi-tiered barbed wire has begun, woke up again at comment sites.

As an example.

Некий toncontin1 writes:
Barbed wire around, PCB and check points!


And these toncontin1s are many!

Is this a solution to the problem? .. They say that there they will cut each other and shoot each other, and we will sit at this very wire and enjoy how Caucasians are getting smaller. Well, if such a position is to someone's liking, then it is more like a clinical case. After all, if so, then these people themselves paint in their helplessness, in that they cannot keep the country within the borders that have been formed for centuries - it is easier to separate yourself from the problem, like Saltykov's “wise minnow”, rather than try to solve it.

Today - barbed wire for Dagestan, tomorrow barbed wire for the Far East, Kursk and Moscow ... So what ... And why do people who advocate for separating Russia from the North Caucasus (although Russia without the North Caucasus is no longer Russia), do not it occurs to me that in the same Dagestan the overwhelming majority of the population is in favor of finding the Republic exclusively within the Russian Federation, for honest work, for opening new industrial and agricultural enterprises, for the development of sports, medicine, images Hania. Or someone will say that the results of such surveys were rigged by militants who completely captured the media world of the Caucasus. No ... It seems that the extremists did not at all capture the media world, but the mind of individual people who are ready to take the lead from a handful of criminals and replicate the view that Russia and the North Caucasus are not on the way.

And so that no seizures of mind or media from criminal groups and their sponsors take place, it is necessary to systematically erase this evil along with officials who have sold for 30 silver coins. Correct, anticipating, and not hitting the tails ... Corrode not only in the North Caucasus, but throughout the territory of Russia. Road going by walking.
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  1. T80UM1
    T80UM1 17 July 2013 06: 43
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    In general, the barbed wire should not be real, but imaginary - specifically: registration, strict accounting in relation to migration flows and adaptation to local customs.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 17 July 2013 07: 09
      +9
      Quote: T80UM1
      and adaptation to local customs.

      Here are the most problems! The Caucasus will definitely not adapt to others!
      1. feanor
        feanor 17 July 2013 07: 26
        35
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Quote: T80UM1
        and adaptation to local customs.

        Here are the most problems! The Caucasus will definitely not adapt to others!

        And who will even ask him?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 17 July 2013 09: 15
          15
          *** After the arrest of the “main Makhachkala resident” Said Amirov, the situation in Dagestan somewhat calmed down. *** -Well no!!
          The whole problem is that if he is really a criminal, then everyone everywhere has known about this for a very long time!
          They didn’t take action because they recognized the power of crime !!
          The problem is this !!
          I remember what opportunities in Dagestan other * authorities * had and I understand why there is such a plight!
        2. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu 17 July 2013 12: 19
          +9
          Quote: feanor
          And who will even ask him?

          Even at the time of the accession of the Caucasus to Russia, and as you know this process was very long and difficult, tsarist Russia did not rely stupidly on force, but looked for and applied various methods and namely complex actions and ultimately led to success. So do not ask the Caucasus does not work. Ignorance of our own history, ignoring the mistakes of the past leads to disastrous results.
          1. zennon
            zennon 17 July 2013 15: 03
            +4
            eventually led to success.

            Excuse me, what do you mean by success?
            1. Lakkuchu
              Lakkuchu 17 July 2013 16: 04
              0
              By success (for Russia) I mean the end of the long-standing Caucasian war, the annexation of the entire Caucasus to Russia, the victory of Russia in the struggle for the Caucasus with Persia and Turkey. Did Russia aim to annex the Caucasus? Was the goal achieved? Is this not a success?
              1. zennon
                zennon 17 July 2013 16: 13
                +3
                Weird question

                Really? And why the hell then this article? After all, everything is fine, is not it?
                1. RA77
                  RA77 17 July 2013 17: 32
                  -1
                  Quote: zennon
                  Really? And why the hell then this article? After all, everything is fine, is not it?

                  C'mon, no need to juggle. The man did not say that everything is fine, everything is fine.
                  1. zennon
                    zennon 17 July 2013 17: 42
                    +5
                    C'mon, no need to juggle.

                    And I didn’t even think! We just got a bunch of problems, and we don’t know how to solve them. What is the success?
              2. Sour
                Sour 17 July 2013 21: 51
                +5
                (((Was the goal achieved? Is this not a success?)))
                1) If the goal was a territory without a population, then success was not achieved.
                2) If the goal was the transformation of Caucasians into Russians, then the goal was not achieved either.
                3) If the goal was to attach to Russia a deliberately problematic region, a steady exporter of crime, terrorism and political instability, then the goal was achieved.
                1. zennon
                  zennon 17 July 2013 22: 15
                  +1
                  If the goal was to attach to Russia a deliberately problematic region, a steady exporter of crime, terrorism and political instability, then the goal was achieved.

                  But this is true! yes
                2. yak69
                  yak69 17 July 2013 22: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: Sour
                  If the goal was to attach to Russia a deliberately problematic region, a steady exporter of crime, terrorism and political instability, then the goal was achieved.

                  And what, in the world, are UN problematic regions? Name it.
                  In general, such statements are not made from a great mind.
                  According to the logic of those who claim, Russia (or rather, the Central Non-Black Earth Region) needs to be separated from the rest of the territory by barbed wire and continue to eat turnips, drink beer and shout to the whole district "How well we live here!"
                  Russia is a great empire! It was, is and will be. And who does not like Russian imperial ambitions, he does not need to spend time discussing geopolitics that pursues the goal of strengthening the power of Russia.

                  For your information, gentlemen, liberals (this is their song about the separation of the Caucasus from Russia and "Freedom to every city"!), We are not problematic regions, we have problematic POWER of all levels!
        3. dmitrich
          dmitrich 17 July 2013 14: 54
          -1
          that's it.
      2. builder74
        builder74 17 July 2013 07: 50
        27
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Here are the most problems! The Caucasus will definitely not adapt to others!

        Nevertheless, in the USSR everyone somehow got along! They didn’t cut rams in the streets, they didn’t shoot tuples, they didn’t go with knives, etc. The Chechens studied at our institute, and nothing, they fought, it happened of course, but they behaved normally.
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 July 2013 08: 46
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        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Here are the most problems! The Caucasus will definitely not adapt to others!

        Yes, no problem !!
        As you allow, they will live like that!
        1. experienced
          experienced 17 July 2013 08: 54
          16
          Quote: Yarbay
          Yes, no problem !! As you will allow it, they will live!

          Hello Alibek hi
          The very idea of ​​"adjusting" to someone is fundamentally flawed. There is a legal framework and there are laws that everyone needs to comply with, and there are law enforcement agencies and the prosecutor's office that monitor their implementation. These bodies and the prosecutor's office are "the weakest link" in this chain, because it is so arranged that a person is greedy for money. And everyone sees this perfectly, but the tension in society is growing, of which there are already numerous examples, both large-scale (Kondopoga, Pugachev) and not particularly (bikers in Moscow).
          I don’t know how to change this situation, but I’m sure that if the authorities continue to pretend that everything is fine, it will come to riots and pogroms.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 July 2013 09: 07
            11
            Quote: seasoned
            The very idea of ​​"adjusting" to someone is fundamentally flawed. There is a legal framework and there are laws that everyone needs to comply with, and there are law enforcement agencies and the prosecutor's office that monitor their implementation.

            I specifically laws and meant their execution !!


            You see, all these show-offs and criminals remind me of this clip))))))
            it’s a pity that you don’t want to plant them using the law!
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 17 July 2013 11: 27
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            Quote: seasoned
            I am sure that if the authorities continue to pretend that everything is fine, it will come to riots and pogroms.

            What the latter are afraid of systematically transferring all the arrows from the soil of Nazism and Russophobia to banal everyday life. It’s so simpler, but every cup has edges ... God forbid, of course, but .. fellow
            1. tungus-meteorit
              tungus-meteorit 17 July 2013 19: 54
              -1
              God forbid, of course, but ... remember the Russians living in the Caucasus
          3. Letterksi
            Letterksi 17 July 2013 11: 58
            10
            For starters, can I remove the article on the excess of self-defense from the Criminal Code and allow people to defend themselves with all available means? At least, for starters, in the territory of their housing

            And then three attacked one. This one killed one of these three. Guess who will be sitting? what

            The authorities will not agree to remove this article from the Criminal Code. This is the guarantee of the "sheep" population of the country. Scoop traditions so to speak
          4. andreitk20
            andreitk20 17 July 2013 13: 52
            -6
            not vicious but leads to the account of local rules, traditions, and if everyone pays attention and makes comments, believe them they will behave "normally".
          5. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 17 July 2013 14: 24
            +1
            Quote: seasoned
            I don’t know how to change this situation, but I’m sure that if the authorities continue to pretend that everything is fine, it will come to riots and pogroms.


            Raising the employment of the peoples of the Caucasus!
            Immediately migration will shrink at times from the Caucasus!
            1. aleks77
              aleks77 17 July 2013 15: 33
              +2
              It will not decrease at times, what migrants sometimes do outside the Caucasus in the Caucasus will tear off their heads, but I want to show their valiant courage, but if I have made a nap on something outside the Caucasus, then I can go home to the mountains. Tell and teach young people how to act for a "real man" and that there will be nothing for it.
          6. Manager
            Manager 17 July 2013 14: 32
            +1
            Quote: seasoned
            There is a legal framework and there are laws that everyone needs to comply with and there are law enforcement agencies and prosecutors who monitor their implementation.


            In fact, they work, God forbid, in 10% of their capabilities. If the law would work as it should, the people would be pleased.
        2. user
          user 17 July 2013 09: 45
          +5
          Yes, no problem !!
          As you allow, they will live like that!


          I agree!
          And then they go to the same Moscow as to work, for money.
          Now, if only as recently as they did not fill the face of the State Duma deputy, we heard nothing of this from the TV screen.

          If there is a LAW then for ALL. Otherwise, it is not a law.
          And in this case, this situation cannot be changed in Dagestan.
          Yes, what I tell you, everyone served and saw how this happens.
          1. soldier's grandson
            soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 11: 33
            29
            let all the deputies get rid of faces, it will benefit our Motherland
            1. ziqzaq
              ziqzaq 17 July 2013 12: 42
              +8
              Quote: Soldier's grandson
              let all the deputies get rid of faces, it will benefit our Motherland

              And some of them repeatedly .....
        3. kavkaz8888
          kavkaz8888 17 July 2013 19: 30
          0
          You are absolutely right.
      4. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 17 July 2013 09: 52
        +4
        It will not adjust, it will see only the mountains.
      5. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 17 July 2013 10: 55
        17
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        The Caucasus will definitely not adapt to others!

        They will press it properly and adjust like cute. Will not go anywhere. Just for a start, it is necessary that the federal center stop flirting with the "national elites" of the North Caucasian republics ...
        And the North Caucasus itself, almost throughout its entire history, has always been in the zone of anyone's interests, be it Iran, the Ottoman Empire (or its satellite is the Crimean Khanate) or the Russian Empire. Even England and France were noted here, but to a lesser extent and without much success ...
        And here, by the way, it’s not out of place to add that, for example, Kabarda voluntarily (!!!) became part of Russia back in the time of Ivan the Terrible. That is much earlier (!) Than other regions and subjects of modern Russia. And this in between is an indicator ...
        With regards to the situation prevailing today ... The thorn is unnecessary. Yes, and gone are the days when it really could be done. I mean the beginning of the 1990s, and then in relation to the independent Ichkeria ... Now in the North Caucasian republics it is necessary to put a Russian "governor-general" at the helm. Or (at least!) To revive some analogue of the Soviet "institute of second secretaries", in which the "president" is from "local cadres" and is a purely nominal figure, "for entourage and decorations", but his deputy appointed from the center has real power and being Russian ... I think that such a scheme will allow to put at least the slightest order in the subjects of the region and to rake the bardelier that has been drawn since the notorious "parade of sovereignties" ...
      6. timurpl
        timurpl 17 July 2013 11: 46
        15
        According to the situation in the Stavropol Territory: it is neither better nor worse than in other regions of Russia ... I know many families of Armenians who move to the Krasnodar Territory in the hope of the best, others who remain on the CMS join the Cossacks.
        - I connect the influx of the Caucasus to the CMS recently, to a greater extent with the USE, as it’s not strange ... After all, it was from the Caucasus that a flood of 100 balmniks poured into our universities, so much so that sometimes it’s just not possible for locals to enter their own universities ! In the selection committee, in plain text they say, they say, you will not pull with those coming from Kabarda and Dagestan ... the majority has 100 points.
        -It would be naive to assume that the highlanders who arrived came to us like to study ... and why they are not excluded at the end of the first session, no one understands!
        - Against this not optimistic background, the fact that not all representatives of a small ethnic group behave deliberately defiantly ... I can personally cite a lot of examples when a young Ingush helped a Russian grandmother cross the road, for which he was ridiculed by his relatives or a Georgian guy who stood up for a girl an Armenian ... Respect for Evkurov’s arrival in Stavropol last year and his meeting with his diaspora, in which he once again explained to elders and younger people that they (as representatives) are the face of Ingushetia in the region and this person simply must be clean during all x relationship.
        -That's why his example is not contagious for the rest of the "governors" ?!
        1. tungus-meteorit
          tungus-meteorit 17 July 2013 20: 02
          -8
          The Stavropol region and the KMV (and the Krasnodar Territory, and everything between Azov and Astrakhan) - this is and will always be the Caucasus! And the Terek Cossacks are also Caucasian by origin - they wrote a lot about this. So what does the "Caucasians" have to do with it? the problem is in the Russians themselves, in their decline, in every sense, physically and morally, as well as in their godlessness
      7. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 17 July 2013 12: 33
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        Quote: tronin.maxim
        The Caucasus will definitely not adapt to others!

        A mass of assimilated Caucasians lives all over the world. In a strong society, no one will allow himself to sit on his head. Where Caucasians become impudent, they are not strong, but society is weak.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 17 July 2013 13: 14
          0
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Where Caucasians are insolent, they are not strong, but society is weak

          I completely agree!!
          Plus, the failure to comply with laws due to corrupt officials!
        2. zennon
          zennon 17 July 2013 14: 05
          10
          Am where the Caucasians are arrogant, they are not strong, but society is weak.

          Really? Four x ..... entered the bus. They behaved arrogantly. They made a remark. How are you
          no one will allow himself to sit on his head.

          They pulled out knives and flunked a few people! People wanted to be strong, but they became dead!
          1. Manager
            Manager 17 July 2013 14: 56
            +9
            Quote: zennon
            They pulled out knives and flunked a few people! People wanted to be strong, but they became dead!

            And short-barrels would have been legalized, there would have been no casualties among people and with casualties among the "Eagles"
            1. zennon
              zennon 17 July 2013 15: 08
              +6
              And short-barrels would have been legalized, there would have been no casualties among people and with casualties among the "Eagles"

              Good girl !!! drinks But who will allow you to have a short barrel, especially hidden wearing? I clarify, the authorities understand everything perfectly, but they are the POWER, perceive the armed population as THREAT your beloved!
            2. tungus-meteorit
              tungus-meteorit 17 July 2013 20: 06
              -5
              and the eagles would have shot you faster from your own weapon, just taking it away, or buying yourself more weapons)))
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 18 July 2013 00: 02
                +4
                Quote: tungus-meteorit
                just taking it away, or buying yourself more weapons

                And this is already too much. Stealing or pulling out after hitting the back of the head is still possible. But climb to take away, risking to run into a bullet? .. Yes and FUCK? This trunk is illuminated, i.e. any use of it is uniquely identified. Just because he is in the police base. And they will not buy themselves for the same reason. And if one of them acquires, it is also ONLY for the purpose of self-defense from such fellow countrymen. For at the moment he is also defenseless against his lawless people, as he is LEGAL OBEY
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            1. zennon
              zennon 17 July 2013 15: 35
              +1
              Why were there no pogroms? Arson?

              And do you call? Be careful Mr. gladiatorakz! I’m telling you well, I’m close to your position. Don’t forget, not long ago under article 222 part 4 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation it was easy to ring out for wearing! Now the situation has changed But how many people know about this? Nothing is being done at once, time must pass.
              And in order to raise an ass and at least a bottle of gasoline to blow into the window, is this not civilized?

              Once again, please
              BE ACCURATE
              ! With me you can, with others I do not recommend ...
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 17 July 2013 15: 50
                +8
                Quote: zennon
                And you call? Be careful Mr. gladiatorakz!

                I have always encouraged and will continue to urge to be an ADEQUATE situation. You have to answer two blows (if, in truth, this blow did not work. If you earned it, thank them for science.) And about the article. Any of the many. They do not need to know either. You can sit. But remain a man. And you can stay on the Volley, but be afraid to ride the bus.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 17 July 2013 16: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  You can sit. But remain a man.

                  True +++++
                2. georg737577
                  georg737577 17 July 2013 17: 30
                  +4
                  I fully support you! And a knife in my pocket these days seems to me an obligatory attribute. I understand that weapons do not always solve the problem,
                  but some problems, if any, simply do not arise. As the saying goes - let three judge better than four bear, and it’s better to sit for a long time than to lie deep ..
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 17 July 2013 15: 52
                +2
                Quote: zennon
                Do not forget, not quite long ago, according to Article 222 part 4 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, one could easily rattle into the zone for wearing!

                And in Soviet times they wore !!
                Indifference is the trouble !!
                Accustomed to pass by rudeness, accustomed not to stand up for the weak!
                Accustomed to fear and lose self-esteem!
                1. zennon
                  zennon 17 July 2013 16: 11
                  +1
                  Indifference is the trouble !!

                  I agree. It's just that you need to be able to use a knife. You have a good response. For example, I don’t know how. A short barrel is a thing! It’s registered perfectly, as it should. It’s familiar to me. But who will allow it?
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 17 July 2013 16: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: zennon
                    I agree. It's just that you need to be able to use a knife. You have a good response. For example, I don’t know how. A short barrel is a thing! It’s registered perfectly, as it should. It’s familiar to me. But who will allow it?

                    Here, one person once said wise words !!
                    He who cannot protect himself without a weapon, that is, at least express his dissatisfaction, will not be able to protect himself with any weapon !!
                    1. zennon
                      zennon 17 July 2013 16: 27
                      +3
                      oh have at least express my displeasure,

                      I will express dissatisfaction, but I won’t stop without a trunk!
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 17 July 2013 16: 35
                        0
                        Quote: zennon
                        I will express dissatisfaction, but I won’t stop without a trunk!

                        I assure you and the trunk will not help you!
                        Thinking must be changed and a larger lifestyle!
                      2. zennon
                        zennon 17 July 2013 17: 26
                        0
                        I assure you and the trunk will not help you!

                        They mentioned deputy Roman Khudyakov, beaten by Caucasians on Berezhkovskaya Embankment. I recall that this deputy from the rostrum of the State Duma advocated the right to wear a short barrel! Do you really think that he would allow himself to be beaten with a bat if he had a short barrel ?! Why do you think what am I different?
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 17 July 2013 17: 39
                        0
                        Quote: zennon
                        Do you really think that he would have allowed himself to be beaten with a bat if he had a short barrel?

                        Would let !!
                        Yeshe and weapons would be taken away and could have been shot!
                        I have nothing against you!
                        But those who believe that only weapons will save them are not taken seriously!
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 July 2013 17: 44
                        +3
                        That's right. Racially correct boys now do differently. Pepper spray in the face, and kick until the kidneys spit out. Follow the news.
                        ps And I warned.
                      5. zennon
                        zennon 17 July 2013 17: 49
                        +1
                        Would let !!

                        And I think that he would have laid one, and the others would have raised their hands! We are getting involved in a non-productive polemic on the question the answer to which has long been known: Where short-stemming crime against a person is allowed to subside. For example, in Moldova.
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 July 2013 17: 54
                        +3
                        Korotkostvol little wear, it must be used. And for this it is necessary to have reasonable aggression. And being reasonably aggressive, you can do without a short barrel, the same mount very well brains, even if it is used not on the head, but on the collarbone.
                      7. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 17 July 2013 20: 26
                        +3
                        Quote: Spade
                        Korotkostvol little wear, it must be used.

                        In the early 90s, many of us had weapons, but life did not become safer, but it became much more dangerous !!
                        Only when the leaders of the country declared war on criminals, bandits and the police began to do what should everything fall into place !! The state replaced the bandits and we do not have gang groups !! And some crimes with weapons are an event !!
                      8. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 July 2013 20: 41
                        +3
                        Crossed three years ago with a classmate, Lithuanian. He has a short barrel. Plus, I didn’t give up hand-to-hand combat, so he would have enough reasonable aggression. I have to shy away from work in the most unpleasant areas, including in the evening and at night, and I have strong painkillers and other medications with me, so this is a priority goal for a drug addict.

                        There were several successfully repulsed attacks. The gun never pulled out. As he says, there was no need. The biggest thing I used was pepper.

                        You need to have a head on your shoulders as well, and then everything will be fine
                      9. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 17 July 2013 21: 22
                        +3
                        Quote: Spade
                        The biggest thing I used was pepper.

                        This is a good tool!
                        Quote: Spade
                        You need to have a head on your shoulders as well, and then everything will be fine

                        By the nature of service, I had the right to bear arms, but almost never wore away from sin !!
                        In a word, I am categorically against the permission to carry weapons! I saw how experienced people foolishly or quite by accident because of weapons got into bad stories or could get caught !!
                        I believe that you are right in moderation an aggressive person will always find how to defend himself !!
                        And most importantly, law enforcement agencies must do their job as expected !!
                        And all the words that the weapon will save belong mainly to nerds and people who are unsure of themselves, who want to get rid of the complexes with weapons !!
                      10. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 17 July 2013 22: 54
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        By the nature of service, I had the right to bear arms, but almost never wore away from sin !!

                        Hi Alibek hi Analogy request -only on duty, but not always
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        And all the words that the weapon will save belong mainly to nerds and people who are unsure of themselves, who want to get rid of the complexes with weapons !!

                        Which they added after they hit their head with their own pistol wassat This is from personal experience Guess which side? bully
                      11. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 July 2013 23: 29
                        +2
                        No, the short-barrel is still needed. Only after compulsory normal training. This "traumatic" must be removed from the streets, finally and irrevocably.
                      12. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 17 July 2013 23: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        No, a shotgun is still needed.

                        To whom and for what? To commit a crime is enough of a fist To repulse an attack, I need professional skills I’m not counting the army since I was 93 years old and I’m not sure that it will help. But I know dozens of cases of harm when excessive self-confidence sets in. I have skills but they don’t guarantee anything request It’s just that the situations are too different And if I have experience I can predict and predict something in advance, then a nerd, even trained in dash handling, will only have time to correct points wassat
                      13. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 17 July 2013 23: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        To whom and for what?

                        I need. To protect your home, family. You never know. "Traumatics" converted for combat - like mud.
                      14. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 17 July 2013 23: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        I need.

                        So buy and remake request If there is a real threat, the term for storing garbage And if not, I also want a lot of things but I do not
                      15. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 18 July 2013 00: 01
                        +1
                        Yeah, a "real threat" will warn you a month in advance that it will come. So that I can buy and remake.
                      16. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 18 July 2013 00: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Yeah, "real threat" will warn you a month before

                        So you remake now and sit wait for the threat wassat Only in this case it will definitely appear
                      17. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 18 July 2013 00: 59
                        0
                        She will definitely appear if you live like a moth - today everything is fine, and what will happen next - "I'll think about it tomorrow" (c).

                        I need a normal short barrel. I need courses to restore skills. I need a shooting range to train.

                        And I do not need advisers who believe that they know more than anyone. One already laughed at me when I bought three fire extinguishers, one for an apartment and two for a summer residence ... Well, this unique one has not yet been insured.
                      18. Essenger
                        Essenger 18 July 2013 01: 04
                        +5
                        Carrying a weapon is like a two-edged sword. On the one hand, of course you need, because it balances the chances of meeting radishes)) On the other hand, you need to be calm. Do not succumb to provocations and temptations.
  2. Normal
    Normal 18 July 2013 06: 57
    +2
    Quote: Yarbay
    But those who believe that only weapons will save them are not taken seriously!

    By your logic, it is necessary to disarm the police and the armed forces. After all:
    He who cannot protect himself without a weapon, that is, at least express his dissatisfaction, will not be able to protect himself with any weapon !!

    Simply:
    Thinking must be changed and a larger lifestyle!

    And that’s all! We will defeat all at once ... By the power of the spirit and through the word ...
    And why should the police and the army take away weapons ... and even shoot them ....
  • Black
    Black 17 July 2013 16: 18
    +2
    Quote: gladiatorakz
    Where Caucasians become impudent, they are not strong, but society is weak.

    Absolutely right.
    Moreover, Caucasians "feel" the slack with their "spinal cord".
  • tungus-meteorit
    tungus-meteorit 17 July 2013 20: 04
    11 th
    specify - what "Caucasians" and where are they impudent? here are the "Slavs" some will also become impudent, only Ukrainians are not brothers to Russians, also Slavs
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 17 July 2013 12: 55
    0
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Quote: T80UM1
    and adaptation to local customs.

    The Caucasus will definitely not adapt to others!


    Who is asking him ? In the end, if he doesn’t adjust himself, he will adjust, otherwise, he will pull a thorn and say thanks again. The Caucasus is part of the Russian Federation and will live by its laws, otherwise - the territory of the endless CT operation with the laws of war.

    The events that take place there - the murder of police officers and teak teachers in a tick, the implementation of the scenario of a terrorist war against the state. By the way, in Syria, everything began in exactly the same way, the Salafis killed the police and declared the power of the Alkaids in the territory. We do not have this option.
  • andreitk20
    andreitk20 17 July 2013 13: 47
    0
    that's when they will be allowed to live, taking into account local traditions, and as soon as the son or someone to act is not so evicted back, believe and ask permission and adjust, etc.
  • kavkaz8888
    kavkaz8888 17 July 2013 19: 27
    0
    Even as it will be. Only he must smell the Force. For the Force he will go, and voluntarily.
  • experienced
    experienced 17 July 2013 08: 18
    13
    Quote: T80UM1
    In general, the barbed wire should not be real, but imaginary - specifically: registration, strict accounting in relation to migration flows and adaptation to local customs.

    I totally agree, but unfortunately this is not possible in modern Russia, too many feed on this "trough" (officials, district police officers, FMS ...) This is the same as dreams of good traffic police officers who will put things in order on the roads and have been renamed repeatedly m from cops to show-off they called them and the salary was increased, and they planted official cars on foreign cars, and they, as before, hide in the bushes in ambushes and at the driver, as they look at a potential sponsor ...
    Caucasians have a different mentality, it's like a clash of people from two different eras, a modern "pampered" with the benefits of civilization and burdened with moral principles, a young man opposes a "miscarriage" of the times of feudalism, who understands that in order to survive you have to be strong and arrogant and not be afraid to use weapons in order to take possession "prey" (money, girl, place on the road ...).
    Until we can make sure that in Russia the law is the same for everyone, and is not bought, the "antics of the highlanders" will continue. They are the same people and also do not want to go to jail, but now they are sure of impunity and this excites them for new "feats".
  • T-100
    T-100 17 July 2013 10: 39
    10
    Is this the solution to the problem? .. Like, let them cut and shoot each other there, and we will sit behind this very wire and enjoy how fewer Caucasians become.

    Damn you can put at least hundreds of minuses, but I like it.
    All the same, after all, after all, during the 1st and 2nd Chechen campaigns, more than 500 thousand Russians died and there is a massive outflow from those republics. Better yet, make the Stalinist plan "CHECHVITSA" - this is the solution to the problem !!!
    1. Evgeniy-111
      Evgeniy-111 17 July 2013 13: 01
      +2
      And when Russian Russians massively slaughtered - is that normal ?!
      In the company of freaks from Kushchevskaya Chechens and Dagestanis were not!
      Let's move the entire Krasnodar Territory to Kolyma!
      1. Normal
        Normal 17 July 2013 15: 18
        +9
        Quote: Evgeniy-111
        And when Russian Russians massively slaughtered - is that normal ?!

        Not ok! Moreover, it isn’t normal to switch arrows to our crime, which has always been here and will always be from ethnic crime exported to us from the Caucasus.
        When a Russian criminal, none of the Russians stands up for his defense, does not excuse and does not justify him by the fact that Caucasians also kill.
        When a Caucasian kills a Russian on Russian soil, the Caucasian diasporas try to shield him in every possible way, bribe cops, intimidate witnesses, and spare no money on lawyers. If this does not help, then anyway the Caucasian is sent to stay home and, op-la, after a couple of years he is free.
        This is familiar and not surprising. But what makes it fun? The fact that there are many Russians (in appearance) who are always ready to close their eyes to the atrocities of the Caucasians and turn the conversation to Russian criminals, they say they kill too. And here is Kushchevka? Does the presence of hoes justify the Caucasians?
        No matter how scum, they are in their homeland. Caucasians, on the other hand, are lawless here, not at home. Why? Including because they are justified by such, if you may say "Russians".
        The Caucasian man keenly feels the betrayal of such Russians, and therefore he is even more impudent.
        In addition, the voices of our "supporters" from the former Soviet republics do not subside. Like, look at us; our Chechens behave decently. It is your own fault that the Caucasians have been spoiled. The fact that we had two wars with Chechnya and the fact that the Caucasian republics are included in Russia, and not in Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan, these "speculators" do not remember. And why? it is so nice to look correct and strong against the background of the Russians. Neither the fact that the Caucasians are on the side of their regional authorities and our local, nor that the Caucasus is protected by our central government, the Yarbays and aksakals of course do not know. They had never heard of Article 282 either.
        So it turns out that ordinary people were given to Caucasian thugs to feed. On the side of the Caucasians are authorities of all levels and a pseudo-Russian fifth column, which slightly raises a tantrum about the Russian fascists, and the liberal opposition to our Greatest, which provokes a Russian nationalist rebellion. From the neighboring countries, constant ridicule and mocking advisers, they say the Russians themselves-they are so bad they need.
        Of course, we will not separate the Caucasus. The order everyone dreams of so much will remain so. So sooner or later there will be a rebellion, a real Russian rebellion. And what we saw is not a riot, it is just a popular outrage in the most peaceful forms. And Kushchevsky hoes have nothing to do with it.
        1. tungus-meteorit
          tungus-meteorit 17 July 2013 20: 12
          -3
          as a result of the so-called After all, the Russian rebellion will not remain the Russians themselves - did not think about it?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 July 2013 20: 18
            0
            You did not replay computer games?
            1. tungus-meteorit
              tungus-meteorit 18 July 2013 01: 10
              -1
              who are you?
          2. Normal
            Normal 17 July 2013 20: 54
            +1
            Quote: tungus-meteorit
            as a result of the so-called After all, the Russian rebellion will not remain the Russians themselves - did not think about it?

            Thought, but it does not depend on me. As, however, from you ...
      2. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 17 July 2013 19: 41
        +1
        Not in the subject. Do not confuse nat. mentality with pure crime.
      3. tungus-meteorit
        tungus-meteorit 26 July 2013 00: 15
        0
        That's right!
  • Gladiatir-zlo
    Gladiatir-zlo 17 July 2013 20: 31
    +2
    Yes, why did you suddenly imagine the wall, let them live in their darkness cockroach. how many different fraternal peoples can be drawn to the light of civilization, albeit in the understanding of Russian people. To give them freedom, to cut each other, since they are so hot and what is very modern and even tolerant. let the tribal towers be remembered, because it was not in vain that they were built, and went farther into the mountains. there it was easier to fend off the same robbers. Well, as a result, they were poor and few in number. And now the question for everyone is, if such a way of life is common and genetically acceptable for them, then what kind of bastard pulls them out of wildness. Correctly fascist and misanthrope. So we reject all sorts of nonsense, such as international fraternity, and other garbage such as European many cultural. Separate living according to the apartheid regime, who is against it, even if not too lazy, and will look for what happened to South Africa after the victory of democracy there.
  • radio operator
    radio operator 19 July 2013 14: 09
    +1
    Once Rasul Gamzatov snapped with his characteristic aphorism: “Dagestan never voluntarily entered Russia and never voluntarily left Russia”
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  • Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris 17 July 2013 06: 50
    18
    We have a border with Georgia, but still all the thieves in law live with us. So there will be no wall, only downs think about it.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 17 July 2013 07: 27
      18
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      We have a border with Georgia, but still all the thieves in law live with us.

      Maksim, hi ! The article is not about thieves, this is a separate issue, but instilling extremist and separatist sentiments in the North Caucasus from the outside with a completely transparent goal is to separate S.K. from Russia with its subsequent transformation into a bridgehead for its collapse. The author draws attention to the fact that a certain part of the population not only agrees, but also insists on the separation of S. Caucasus, without thinking about the consequences. With regard to actions to tame terrorists, Russia should take into account the experience of Israel, i.e. take a more radical approach to solving a problem. Otherwise doliberal, Chechnya began the 90's a bitter example of this.
      1. igor67
        igor67 17 July 2013 10: 21
        +5
        Quote: Tersky
        Quote: Chuck-Norris
        We have a border with Georgia, but still all the thieves in law live with us.

        Maksim, hi ! The article is not about thieves, this is a separate issue, but instilling extremist and separatist sentiments in the North Caucasus from the outside with a completely transparent goal is to separate S.K. from Russia with its subsequent transformation into a bridgehead for its collapse. The author draws attention to the fact that a certain part of the population not only agrees, but also insists on the separation of S. Caucasus, without thinking about the consequences. With regard to actions to tame terrorists, Russia should take into account the experience of Israel, i.e. take a more radical approach to solving a problem. Otherwise doliberal, Chechnya began the 90's a bitter example of this.
        . Hi Victor read it and think why this is happening? Stavropol, July 15 (New Region, Svetlana Petrova) - A young native of Dagestan suspected of raping a local Cossack was taken into custody in the Stavropol Territory. The investigation of the criminal case against a 28-year-old resident of the village of Rozhdestvenskaya in the Izobilnensky district of the region is under the article “Violent sexual acts”.
        According to investigators, in the evening of June 15 this year, the suspect at home demanded that the local resident repay the debt. Allegedly the stanitsik owed money to the brother of the Dagestan. After receiving the refusal, the suspect committed sexual violence against the Cossack, the regional department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation reported. Then the rapist suddenly went to the hospital in Stavropol with a heart attack. There the Dagestan was detained by police, now he is in a pre-trial detention center.
        According to the Komsolskaya Pravda newspaper, the Cossack was raped for refusing to pay a tribute, which the Dagestan family imposed on the entire village. “Like people’s salaries, they begin to walk around and say,“ You owe us! ” - the villagers complain and expect the authorities to protect their rights.
        Ataman of the Izobilnensky District Cossack Society, Vasily Shaternikov said that "in mid-July, a 27-year-old Avaret who lives in the neighborhood raped Cossack Alexander." “And this is not the first rape,” the chieftain added. One of the local residents said that the same Dagestan abused her 6 years ago. According to the sister of the injured girl, the rapist “scared her so that she wouldn’t tell anyone.” But when the Cossack was raped, the victim broke the silence and turned to the police.
        Last Friday, the Cossacks of the Izobilnensky Cossack Society held an unauthorized rally in the village, demanding that the police and the investigating authorities deal with the rape. And for their part, they decided to strengthen the verification of passports, especially among visitors.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 17 July 2013 11: 16
          10
          Quote: igor67
          Hi Victor read it and think why this is happening?

          Igor, hi ! While in the ranks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs they take bribes and cover up the scumbags, this will not stop. That on this occasion I can say one thing, 282 Art. valid only for Russians and against Russians. About Izobilnenskiy "Cossacks" I will say one thing - It's a shame, they themselves could not deal with the scumbag. Googled about Zelenokumsk, (86 km away from me), clashes between Cossacks and people from Chechnya, that's not a shame for this. (At the same time, you will understand why this is happening)
          1. igor67
            igor67 17 July 2013 11: 56
            +6
            Quote: Tersky
            Quote: igor67
            Hi Victor read it and think why this is happening?

            Igor, hi ! As long as in the ranks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs they take bribes and cover the scumbags, this will not stop. That on this occasion I can say one thing, 282 Art. valid only for Russians and against Russians. About Izobilnenskiy "Cossacks" I will say one thing - It's a shame, they themselves could not deal with the scumbag. Googled about Zelenokumsk, (86 km away from me), clashes between Cossacks who came from Chechnya, that's not a shame for this. (At the same time, you will understand why this is happening)

            I found it, but you're right, the Russians are to blame anyway: Two participants in the clash between Cossacks and Chechens in Zelenokumsk were released. Now brothers Ayup and Magomed Gafarovs are being held in the case as witnesses, the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda writes.

            As the head of the department of internal security of the Sovetskiy District ROVD, Valery Vorobyov, explained to the publication, the case was initiated under the article "deliberate infliction of slight harm to health", which does not provide for arrest. "The guys are local, so they won't go anywhere," Vorobyov added.

            A third Chechen named Magomed was recognized as a victim, as in a fight he was injured in his head and arm. Thus, only Isa Gafarov, who shot from a firearm, remained in custody.

            The conflict between Cossacks and Chechens occurred due to the fact that two Caucasians - Beslan and Sukhrup - tried on November 21 to rape 15-year-old Ekaterina Chernova. However, the girl managed to escape, and she turned to the Cossacks for help.

            A week later, on November 27, a fight broke out between the Chechens and Cossacks at the house of a local Chechen. Arriving police officers detained four Chechens.

            Beslan and Sukhrup (their names are not named) are at large. A criminal case was initiated against one of them under the article “rape of a minor”.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 17 July 2013 14: 25
              +4
              Quote: igor67
              you're right anyway the Russians are to blame:

              So everywhere throughout Russia, I gave you one of many examples. Conclusions, alas, do not console ...
              1. igor67
                igor67 17 July 2013 14: 30
                +3
                Quote: Tersky
                Quote: igor67
                you're right anyway the Russians are to blame:

                So everywhere throughout Russia, I gave you one of many examples. Conclusions, alas, do not console ...

                Yes, even before the Olympics they’re probably afraid to conduct something so large-scale that they wouldn’t stir up the Caucasian hive, otherwise the money will be covered, the Olympic
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 17 July 2013 15: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: igor67
                  Yes, even before the Olympics, they are probably afraid to hold anything large-scale

                  Naturally, Putin punctures during the Olympics as a knife in his heart. Here at the end of it we will see wink .
        2. soldier's grandson
          soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 11: 36
          0
          What kind of Cossack went seven-color? rallied and all
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 17 July 2013 11: 41
            +9
            Quote: Soldier's grandson
            What kind of Cossack went seven-color? P

            There is the concept of Cossack and "dung", the latter turned out to be just rainbow. It was not necessary to hold a meeting, but to catch this scumbag and play "chamomile" with him, there is such folk fun. The system is simple and quite effective - what you do is what you get.
          2. matross
            matross 17 July 2013 11: 52
            +2
            Yes, ashamed ... not even the rapist was burned ...
        3. Des10
          Des10 17 July 2013 13: 52
          +5
          Quote: igor67
          Last Friday, the Cossacks of the Izobilnensky Cossack Society held an unauthorized rally in the village, demanding that the police and the investigating authorities deal with the rape.

          they are no longer Cossacks, but simply residents. Unfortunately.
    2. zennon
      zennon 17 July 2013 16: 25
      +2
      We have a border with Georgia, but still all the thieves in law live with us.

      The solution is simple - all foreigners with a criminal record (no matter where they received it) are from the country. By the way, this is not noao. Many states ask about a criminal record when they enter their territory in the questionnaire. negative
    3. Black
      Black 17 July 2013 16: 25
      +3
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      but still all the thieves in law live with us.

      For about eight years they were offered the choice of either being "lowered" in their homeland, or their homeland is now Russia. Few were "lowered", the records periodically emerge ... cautious sidled.
      This, I think, is an example of a tough sweep of crime ... now there is a rollback, but the backbone of organized crime in Georgia has been broken.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 July 2013 16: 28
        0
        Quote: Chen
        This, I think, is an example of a tough sweep of crime ... now there is a rollback, but the backbone of organized crime in Georgia has been broken.

        That's right !!
        We need political will and desire!
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 17 July 2013 06: 58
    14
    And Dagestan and Chechnya, of course, want to remain part of Russia - why fence themselves off from the chicken, which gives them not even golden, but diamond eggs? And Tatarstan understands this very well - also sat well on the Russian neck under Yeltsin. That's just Bashkiria a little late with Kalmykia ... What are they now regretting.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 17 July 2013 08: 02
      +5
      that's for sure. And the local forest lads are ordinary pickers of local popes. The way out, as always, is in the Russian tread and local deputy. Or as an option, Kadyrov sent to the commander of the head of Dagestan.
      1. Vrungel78
        Vrungel78 17 July 2013 08: 49
        0
        Quote: ed65b
        Or as an option, Kadyrov sent to the commander of the head of Dagestan.

        Is this a joke of humor like that? Kadyrov-Chechen, what does Dagestan have to do with it? I want to say that there are your own Kadyrov from the Chechen syndicate in Dagestan.
        1. kavkaz8888
          kavkaz8888 17 July 2013 19: 51
          +1
          But should I ask? They said on a business trip, went, put things in order, went home (if allowed). It should be so.
          We are not talking only about Ramzan. As in the Soviet Union: the party said it was necessary, the Komsomol replied "yes!"
      2. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 17 July 2013 11: 09
        +8
        Quote: ed65b
        Kadyrov sent to the commander of the head of Dagestan.

        Kadyrov got everyone and everything. And their own and others. I got it completely and irrevocably. All his so-called "authority" is based on federal money and federal bayonets. Take it away, and Ramzan Akhmadovich will be demolished the very next morning (if not earlier!) ... Moreover, the Chechens themselves ... wink
        And you say "to Dagestan" him "on a business trip" like "head". Then Dagestan will definitely rise. So much so that even the Chechens themselves will not have time to devour Kadyrov ... laughing YYY
        And the residents of Stavropol are unhappy with the fact that their region was appointed to the role of a "draft horse" for the subjects of the North Caucasus Federal District (read "the republics of the North Caucasus") ... negative
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 17 July 2013 11: 35
          +8
          Quote: Chicot 1
          And the residents of Stavropol are unhappy with the fact that their region was appointed to the role of "draft horse"

          Basil, hi ! To put it mildly, they turned it into an incubator, it is clear which "chickens" to rotate
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 17 July 2013 12: 08
            +7
            Good day, Victor! yes
            Perhaps the Stavropol Territory is not an incubator, because the "chickens" I stay there already hatched, fledged and hooded. Rather, the edge is more similar to a sturdy barn, climbing into which you can peck a grain and scratch a belly ... and even shit right there on the spot, not far away ...
    2. rus9875
      rus9875 17 July 2013 13: 48
      0
      can be more detailed what is the "sitting of Tatarstan" on the Russian neck?
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 July 2013 07: 55
      -1
      In Tatarstan, local laws have long been forced to straighten out by force, and Tatarstan works with 40% of the Russian population.
  • SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 17 July 2013 06: 59
    21
    What the hell is the separation of the Caucasus from Russia?!? Caucasian republics that are part of Russia will continue to be part of! And riots of discontent and sorties are gradually resolved. And quickly it will not come. If now the Caucasus is no longer burning like in the 90s, then now it is slowly smoldering ... it takes time! And about the fence, I will say this: Hand over several subjects of the Russian Federation to some kind of religious fanatics? NEVER!!! Do not wait for the bearded devils!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 17 July 2013 12: 09
      0
      Quote: SIBIR38RUS
      Hand over several subjects of the Russian Federation to some religious fanatics? NEVER!!! Do not wait for the bearded devils!

      Okay, only hell, and even enough of their own. They think you can fence off everything. Oh well...
  • hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 17 July 2013 07: 03
    11
    On the one hand, it is difficult to disagree with the author of the article, who asserts that Russia without the Caucasus is not Russia. On the other hand, the question arises - why are people who "for the most part" are in favor of finding Dagestan exclusively as part of Russia are unable to establish order in the republic? Against the will of the majority, "individual destructive elements" will not trample. Means with the "majority" something is messed up! All Russian police have to go to Dagestan on business trips and put things in order there! In my life I don’t believe that the inhabitants of any village do not know who they have in the militants and where they are hiding! Plus, on the territory of Stavropol and Krasnodar Territory, the antics of the valiant mountaineers heated the situation to the last limit. So it's probably not just people whose point of view does not coincide with that of the author.
  • Strelok20883
    Strelok20883 17 July 2013 07: 12
    16
    I have a lot of comrades from Chechnya, Ossetia, Dagestan stamped boots together. They respect us Russians and are ready to destroy the Wahhabis and defend the interests of the Republic and the country in which they live. So no berries are needed, but respect and mutual support between peoples.
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 17 July 2013 09: 29
      +2
      There are good people in the world. Absolute truth. Shake your hand.
    2. kirieeleyson
      kirieeleyson 17 July 2013 10: 05
      +1
      In the 90s, with the arrival of extremist sentiments from Afghanistan and the Middle East, public traditional institutions of family values ​​and customs began to be suppressed and dispersed in Dagestan and Ingushetia. Many Caucasians no longer remember the precepts of their ancestors and the history of their people. In the foreground was the propaganda of community and unification of Muslim radical movements, which inspired hope for the unification and reshaping of the regions under the crescent. Against the backdrop of the hungry 90s, when people did not know what would happen tomorrow and whether work would be elementary, such a cohesion of youth was positively affirmed in society. All and sundry people threw wood into this fire: from the elders, who needed a united generation, to the persons whom we call "customers" of various types of terrorist acts on our territory. This was beneficial to many Saudis, Qataris and their "big brothers": the United States and England.
      We continue to "guess" and crush water in a mortar. The Caucasus is our territory, the same as Siberia, Far East, the Volga region, etc. Caucasians should not be treated as alienated people. It is necessary to completely recreate the structure of the institutions of national self-determination, where the cultural heritage of the people, its customs and national characteristics will be at the forefront. All this must be done with separation from religion, on the principles of secular government. And, accordingly, to instill multiculturalism, mutual respect between peoples in the Russian Federation. In other words, if the young representative of Dagestan is offered to "destroy the kafirs," he must say - "no, this is also my people."
    3. hohryakov066
      hohryakov066 18 July 2013 06: 34
      0
      Please do not misunderstand me. I have nothing against people of any nationality (if they are normal, sane people). I disagree with the author of the article in his statement that the whole point is only in the people who speak out in the media against the Caucasus. This problem is much more complicated. Another thing is that (in my opinion) most of the society of Dagestan, mainly the rural population, do not understand that apart from war, preachers of a new type do not offer anything! Everyone habitually adheres to the principle - "we don't give up our own." And the fact that as a result of such a policy the war will creep into their house does not reach them!
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 17 July 2013 07: 26
    +2
    the shtatovtsy here from Mexico all fenced, but the point is zero. It would be necessary to appropriately redistribute financial flows within the republic, for example, give the salaries of Etoo and Hus Hidink to local teachers and doctors.
    1. virm
      virm 17 July 2013 10: 53
      +5
      There is no sense. After the wall was built, the immigration balance (arrived-left) from the USA with Lat. America - zero. If you wish, you can find such information on the net.
      And Europe, with a silent glade, has ALREADY built a wall on its southern border. Between Greece and Turkey. And Israel built a wall enclosing it from the palaces. Do you think Jews are fools? And the ancient Chinese were fools to ward off a wall in several. thousand km And the ancient Romans. A wall is a solution to a problem. Not an ideal solution, but a solution. Having her you can think about further steps - the education of the natives, the friendship of peoples and so on and so forth.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 17 July 2013 15: 00
        +1
        Quote: virm
        there is a sense. After the wall was built, the immigration balance (arrived-left) from the USA with Lat. America - zero.

        Do you propose building walls directly on the territory of Russia? Well, the idea is not new, the well-known Solzhenitsyn at one time proposed to separate Chechnya by the Terek, which the separatists were incredibly happy about. Jews, Americans build walls directly on the border with other states, from where a uncontrolled emigration flow, but not at home, is undesirable.
      2. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 17 July 2013 20: 01
        0
        And Russia built walls. Serpent's ramparts for example. And the Great "Chinese" wall was built with loopholes to the south.
    2. dc120mm
      dc120mm 17 July 2013 11: 54
      +3
      Quote: FC Skif
      Etoo and Gus Hidinka's salary should be given to local teachers and doctors.

      100% true.
    3. tracer
      tracer 18 July 2013 04: 25
      0
      Take a look at Skif, Mexico, a little over two hundred years old as (de facto), American Satellite. So what ? What good has this respected country done for Mexico? I'll tell you "in secret" this is an endless source of "new age slaves" and resources. That's it .... Democracy is running wild. Sorry Skif, but I can assume that you've probably never been to Mexico, as well as to the United States. So, as a person who returned from California two weeks ago, I will say .. The most dirty work there is done by Mexicans. Drunkards lying in a warm state are also completely they .. Former hard workers. This is the lowest stratum of the population necessary for a wealthy society for a comfortable life. Here is the answer to your question. Why do you think the "shtatovtsy" are fenced off. Think for yourself ..
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 17 July 2013 07: 26
    +8
    Now in a number of republics North. The Caucasus is ruled by clans and various confessions. RUSSIA is a secular state ... and when imams and muftis rule the court ... when elders solve state problems instead of state bodies, then this is no longer a state. This was the beginning of V. Putin, when in 2000. EBN from the master's shoulder presented him with the president's chair. The republics and territories began to "seize sovereignty" so much that RUSSIA cracked at the seams from the abundance of presidents of regions, cities and even farms. Until this parade of presidents was dispersed, and the economy was limping ... and social tension was at its breaking point.
    This is how DAGESTAN should act with KABARDINO-BALKARIA. Only much tougher. In the Caucasus, first of all, strength is respected. And there is only one way - INTRODUCTION OF THE PRESIDENTIAL BOARD! This will be the desired barbed wire. Let the Councils of aksakals now solve the problems that were solved by the "pike vests" of ILFA and PETROV. And the imams pray to their Allah ... but no further than their mosque! And all this should be backed up with help, but not to send money, but to force the national diasporas to build enterprises and farms in their republics ... to give people work.
    1. zennon
      zennon 17 July 2013 16: 32
      +2
      RUSSIA secular state ...

      But now I have big doubts about this ...
  • ups
    ups 17 July 2013 07: 34
    +5
    There are always a lot of freaks, and those that feed from the wrong hand are also more vile. Forgive me for such a critical statement, but I also had friends of the Dagestanis and they were all normal and sane. I understand how many nationalities there are and how they rebuked them to become what they are now, and in truth, they need an iron hand. And in 5 years everything will be ok ...
  • Igor39
    Igor39 17 July 2013 07: 37
    +1
    We don’t have to say, but hold a referendum among the inhabitants of Russia, so to speak, in a democratic way.
    1. zennon
      zennon 17 July 2013 16: 35
      +1
      It’s necessary not to say, but to hold a referendum among the inhabitants of Russia

      Yes, you remember how many referenda we held! Which of them were implemented?
  • volkodav
    volkodav 17 July 2013 07: 40
    12
    question to the author, has long been in the Caucasus? Mantra about what most see themselves as part of Russia, well, it's just a trend to say that with every visiting journalist laughing He just smiled. And you ask the question correctly, were the majority ready to comply with the laws of Russia, prepared the majority of rastats with fake certificates of disabled people and a participant in hostilities, which are sold in Dagestan like hot cakes, and, accordingly, will lose social payments? I'm just sure the majority will say no !!! And all the conversations over a glass of tea about friendship of peoples, and a special love for Russians, lies and delirium, you will see what kind of relations between the "brotherly" peoples of Chechnya and Ingushetia, how the Lizgin loves the Avar, and together they love the Laks, just everything, even at the household level ... Russia aphids are a cash cow, and
    1. Volodin
      17 July 2013 08: 42
      0
      been in the Caucasus long ago?
      And you?..

      The very writing of the word Caucasus with a small letter already shows your attitude to this region of the country. For Moscow, for example, the rest of Russia is no less a cash cow than for the Caucasus, my friend.
      1. experienced
        experienced 17 July 2013 08: 57
        +3
        Quote: Volodin
        For Moscow, for example, the rest of Russia is no less a cash cow than for the Caucasus, buddy.

        With all due respect to the author hi advocate an article for establishing relations between the regions of Russia and the S. Caucasus and immediately drive a wedge between Moscow and the regions, as it is wrong request
        1. Volodin
          17 July 2013 09: 10
          +6
          Alexey, I did not think that the irony about the regions of Russia - "cash cows" would be so incomprehensible, so you shouldn't be talking about a wedge. I just do not understand people who talk about the North Caucasus and Russia as separate parts from each other.
          1. experienced
            experienced 17 July 2013 09: 19
            +8
            Quote: Volodin
            I did not think that the irony about the regions of Russia, "cash cows" would be so incomprehensible, so you shouldn't be talking about a wedge.

            Unfortunately, the phrase about Moscow, which the whole of Russia feeds, has become one step with the slogan "Stop feeding the Caucasus" ... I remember how at one time Ukrainian friends in all seriousness said that Ukraine was feeding the entire USSR and if it was possible to throw off the "freeloaders" then Ukraine would have become a paradise. Then there was the collapse of the USSR and now it is clearly seen that paradise did not work out. Now the same technologies are being tested for the disintegration of Russia.
            Let's not blow the "someone else's tune", but we will adhere to the position that Russia is united and indivisible "from Moscow to the very outskirts" hi

            Quote: Volodin
            I just don’t understand the people who talk about the North Caucasus and Russia as separate parts.

            Having separated the Caucasus, we will include the mechanism of the collapse of Russia into regions, Great Tatarstan, Sovereign Kalmykia, Siberia, Mother, etc. what our opponents would really like
            1. valerei
              valerei 17 July 2013 12: 00
              +4
              Yes, seasoned, unfortunately you're right. We are all tied with one rope, round and round and one knot. No matter how much one wants to separate the Caucasus from Russia, it cannot be separated. Fast or slow, but Russia will creep into national apartments, and then take us all with your bare hands. And no one will be saved one by one, but there will be a civil war beforehand - after all, the legacy of collapsed Russia will have to be divided. Then the amers, the British and the French will watch as we kill each other. Order must be brought in from Moscow, but how can you bring it about when corruption and corruption, a complete lack of honor and conscience (in our time, these words have even acquired an indecent meaning), literally, penetrated Russia in all directions, and especially Moscow! A recent example is Serdyukov and his "harem". However, that we are here pulling throats - after all, no one reads our comments, except ourselves, unfortunately.
            2. tungus-meteorit
              tungus-meteorit 18 July 2013 01: 15
              +1
              plus you comrade
      2. Normal
        Normal 17 July 2013 16: 03
        +3
        Quote: Volodin
        For Moscow, for example, the rest of Russia is no less a cash cow than for the Caucasus, buddy.

        Moscow is capital of Russia. Russia is a cash cow of Moscow. Moscow, in turn, is a cash cow of the Caucasus. So the Caucasus is the capital of Moscow.
        Indeed, how is it to separate?
      3. Normal
        Normal 17 July 2013 16: 03
        +1
        Quote: Volodin
        For Moscow, for example, the rest of Russia is no less a cash cow than for the Caucasus, buddy.

        Moscow is capital of Russia. Russia is a cash cow of Moscow. Moscow, in turn, is a cash cow of the Caucasus. So the Caucasus is the capital of Moscow.
        Indeed, how is it to separate?
      4. tungus-meteorit
        tungus-meteorit 18 July 2013 01: 14
        0
        Plus, comrade, for the right words
  • Yura
    Yura 17 July 2013 07: 43
    +2
    Opportunity honestly earning a living for yourself and your seven is the basis of self-esteem for yourself and others. Earnings by killing and robbing one’s bread is becoming the norm in our world today, and ideologies in some way justify these actions as fertile ground for people who have not found another way of enrichment. And here, if not everything, depends on each official who cares for his district, region, who does or does nothing to increase the welfare of his wards. The fight against radical movements is, first and foremost, the fight against unlawfulness.
  • Generalissimus
    Generalissimus 17 July 2013 07: 47
    +6
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Quote: T80UM1
    and adaptation to local customs.

    Here are the most problems! The Caucasus will definitely not adapt to others!


    It all depends on both domestic policy and society.
    What is the greatest danger of liberalism? From its very essence is the atomization of society.
    A striking example is a Western liberal society that has no power to cope with similar problems.

    Another striking example is CIS neighbors. While in Russia in the 90's the Chechen gangs crushed the whole of Russia for themselves - not without the participation of the authorities - nothing similar happened in Kazakhstan. Moreover, when the Chechens tried to restore their order there using the example of Russia, they were instantly twisted into a ram’s horn. Causes? Those same internal ties in society, collectivism.

    An integrated approach is needed. And the paradigm shift of liberalism.
    1. hommer
      hommer 17 July 2013 13: 40
      +2
      Quote: Generalissimus
      in Kazakhstan, nothing like this happened. Moreover, when the Chechens tried to restore their order there using the example of Russia, they were instantly twisted into a ram’s horn.


      It was. We will not deny.
  • Basileus
    Basileus 17 July 2013 07: 57
    +4
    It seems to me that the author is a little in the wrong direction. The problem is rather not in terrorism - in recent years it has not been so clearly distinguished, but in how visitors from the southern republics in other regions behave. They do not want to assimilate, they do not want to obey social laws, and this is the main problem.
  • govoruha-otrok
    govoruha-otrok 17 July 2013 08: 01
    0
    the only way out is to create such economic conditions under which the indigenous population of the Caucasus itself will quietly disperse throughout the country and abroad, their place will be taken by Koreans, Meskhit Turks and Cossacks.
  • Circle
    Circle 17 July 2013 08: 07
    +8
    It’s good to listen. First, Central Asia had to be disconnected from Central Asia ..
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 17 July 2013 18: 46
      +3
      Absolutely correct analysis! A citizen of Russia cannot be a migrant in his own state!
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 17 July 2013 08: 09
    12
    hohryakov066 SU
    ... Against the will of the majority, "individual destructive elements" will not trample.

    And the USSR was dismembered by the will of the majority? For the time being, everything depends on the POWER holding, unfortunately, and not on the will of the majority. In recent history, does Mendel listen much to this majority? For example, most believe that the gorby should be in prison, and he hangs the Order of St. George on his chest. And all his "innovations" are also against the will of the majority.
    1. kavkaz8888
      kavkaz8888 17 July 2013 20: 16
      +1
      And the referendum on the USSR, by the way, was also. Who will listen to people?
  • Strashila
    Strashila 17 July 2013 08: 18
    +3
    For what the thorn is, it is stupid and not far-sighted. To put a given region on the ground, you don't have to climb too much ... that the security forces do not know where and how the loot of "respected" people is spinning from there. They know, but they do not undertake anything, and for this, one does not need to travel to the Caucasus , everything outside it. The question is, who benefits and how much.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 17 July 2013 09: 27
      +5
      Quote: Strashila
      To put this region on the ground you don’t have to climb much there ... that the security officials do not know where and how the loot of "respected" people is spinning from there

      I agree. Would you like (!!!!!), we would start with the diasporas that we have "registered". This is the first thing.
      The second -
      Quote: volkodav
      And all the conversations over a glass of tea about friendship of peoples, and a special love for Russians, lies and delirium, you will see what kind of relations between the "brotherly" peoples of Chechnya and Ingushetia, how Lizgin loves an Avar, and together they love Laks, just everything, even at the household level ... Russia aphids are a cash cow, and

      Also, I completely agree.
  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 17 July 2013 08: 34
    +6
    The article is a big plus! ..
    Fencing off from problem regions with barbed wire (it doesn’t matter whether it’s real or virtual), taking the UK out of the brackets of Russia is not an option. Not for that, over the centuries, the collection of the lands of our state took place in order to squander the wealth created by our ancestors by voluntary methods.
    Every day it is necessary to intensify efforts to change the situation radically for the better for preserving the country.
    Moreover, the complex of measures should be, excuse me for the tautology, namely, the comprehensive establishment of order in the areas of: antiterror, economics, social and legal protection of the population, legal education of the population, education, propaganda (the latter is perhaps one of the main components that should accompany activities in to each of the named directions).
    To the present moment, alas, what is accepted by the authorities is stalled. The main obstacle is the usual way of life, in the form of clanism, affecting all areas of public life (economics, politics, etc.). It is impossible, instantly to jump from the early feudal, or late tribal general. formations in a post-industrial society.
    It seems to me that Abdulatipov and Yevkurov understand this (God bless them or Allah good luck in their work). I can not say anything about the other leaders of the republics - there is not enough information.
    The problem of the Caucasus is more acute and constantly heard, but negative phenomena exist in Bashkiria, Kalmykia, and other national entities ...
    Therefore, it seems to me that the main reform that the leadership of the country still needs to embark on is administrative-territorial, serving to unify the country's regions, smoothing out national contradictions on the principle that everything is equal for the state ... For all nationalities, there is only cultural autonomy, and the language of the state is one - Russian.
  • dojjdik
    dojjdik 17 July 2013 08: 35
    +3
    and here in the United States killed a nigger, and there is a reservation for the "barbed" wire Indians live --- where are articles about it; the state of Texas, for example, has long wanted to secede from the United States; so write about this too
    1. Volodin
      17 July 2013 08: 49
      +8
      Ivan, take a walk on the Military Review. You will find several articles about the Indians with thorns and about the desire of the state of Texas to secede from the United States. We are writing about this too.
  • nagi
    nagi 17 July 2013 08: 42
    +2
    Those who want to fence off the Caucasus with barbed wire, apparently know little about geography. Libya and Syria have no common borders, which does not prevent militants from Libya and other states from arriving in Syria. If the Caucasus is not developed, then youth who have no prospects will replenish the ranks of the separatists anyway, and for the separatists the wall in the Caucasus is not a problem.
    1. zennon
      zennon 17 July 2013 13: 58
      +4
      Those who want to fence off the Caucasus with barbed wire, apparently know little about geography.

      I know geography well. You did not understand the proposal for secession. Yes, secession, "thorn", KSP. Further, the expulsion of all Caucasians to their historical homeland on a national basis. And not any "stay of the militants." and the very tough experience of "pacification" of the Caucasus did not give any results. Remember the 19th century, Ermolov and not only. His methods were much worse than the current "counter-terrorist" measures. Where is the result? I perfectly understand the negative geopolitical consequences for the country. But I am convinced that this is a lesser evil than eternal crime, rudeness, gigantic indemnities, for some reason they are called means for the development of the Caucasus. Russian people get along well with other peoples. Look, we have excellent relations with the Tatars, Bashkirs, Mordovians, etc. With Caucasians, this has never happened, not now, and will not be in the future! Remember how 15 years ago, like a mantra, rushed from any iron: "Another 2-3 months and the problem with gangs in the Caucasus will be resolved ...". ?
      1. nagi
        nagi 17 July 2013 18: 52
        0
        How do you imagine the barbed wire from the Caspian and Black Sea sides? Not to mention that the Wahhabis can, for the same Qatar money, make a flight, for example, Dagestan -> Kazakhstan or Mongolia. From that direction, too, close everything with a thorn and a fence? The border is quite long. Israel, Palestine cannot get rid of the supply of weapons, and you want to fence off the Caucasus with our distances. Eviction, a thorn and other measures will help to get rid of just normal people more, for an illegal, your thorn is laughter and only, they paid money for the KPS and went to the whole camp.
        1. zennon
          zennon 17 July 2013 21: 16
          0
          they paid money for the KPS and went through all the camp.

          Can you read?EXTEND ALL TO THE HISTORICAL HOMELAND IN THE NATIONAL IDENTITY! That is, they will not remain in Russia! What camp, where? They simply will not be allowed to face them, let’s say!
      2. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 17 July 2013 20: 18
        0
        Ermolov, so you know, he’s finished the Caucasian war. Such is the result.
        1. zennon
          zennon 17 July 2013 21: 19
          0
          Ermolov, so you know, the Caucasian war ended

          If this is for me, then let's get on with you! About Ermolov. What is the purpose of the war? In "pacifying the Caucasus." The Caucasus has been pacified?
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 17 July 2013 08: 53
    +2
    Quote: Volodin
    been in the Caucasus long ago?
    For Moscow, for example, the rest of Russia is no less a cash cow than for the Caucasus, buddy.


    100% hit! good
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 17 July 2013 08: 59
    +6
    On the nose, the Olympics in Sochi and the federal center are simply forced to take preventive measures, so that the tightening of nuts in the Caucasus is just beginning.
    I think that we are waiting for the next news about the arrests of local officials and the elimination of the most active militants, I would like the feds to take Umarov alive (if he was thoroughly gutted a lot of interesting things about the bandit underground
    he will tell)
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 17 July 2013 11: 16
      +8
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      screwdriving in the Caucasus is just beginning

      It was necessary to wrap nuts in the Caucasus for a long time. Exactly since 1991. And even better, it was not worth turning away those that were wrapped in 1944 ...
  • Asgard
    Asgard 17 July 2013 09: 23
    14
    Over 207,5 billion rubles. It is planned to allocate for the development of agriculture in Dagestan in the next 7 years. Such data are given in the Ministry of Agriculture of the Republic. http://www.rgvktv.ru/news/17367
    Question...We know that there is NO agriculture in Dagestan. Who and what does the Federal Center allocate money for (money))) ????
    The answer suggests itself one - the gang underground! that is, the "power" itself finances its "enemy" and among the militants are children of respected "people" in the republic (they were recently killed)))
    Representatives of the authorities are also fighting (the mayor of Makhachkala)) with the federal government (it's like)) the FSB what is doing there ????
    agents (by the way from Caucasians, a wonderful knocker)))
    it can be assumed that the respected organization itself is growing a bandit underground and the HA government is helping it in this (allocating a lot of money for something that is not in Dagestan (rural households)) and does not control finances in any way.
    Sochi, by the way, is a wonderful example ....There "people" with non-Russian surnames are at the head of all construction projects, federal money is being sawn and to hell with yachts and palaces, so no ...
    Israel attacks Syria ....
    Caucasians are fighting on the side of the Wahhabis ...
    Wahhabis kill their imams who do not support them (as an example Kazan))) clearing the way for "their" immigrants who completed courses in Saudi Arabia and were recruited by al-Qaeda (a branch of the CIA)))

    And all this is done with stolen money from The budget of Russia.
    There is such a reptiloid-pshek Brzezinski, he just said so-Next Russia ... and at its expense ...
    Everything is confirmed ...
    everything is clear ...
    The government does not transfer money to the peasants of Voronezh (they can only dream of such money)) but to Dagestan ..... To the stabilization fund (in the Fed))) which will destabilize the situation AROUND us ...

    These are news comrades))))according to the mayor of Makhachkala ...
    1. kosmos84
      kosmos84 17 July 2013 09: 36
      +1
      we have Spain at hand, let cx engage so as not to carry from the hill
    2. T80UM1
      T80UM1 17 July 2013 09: 39
      +6
      Yes, it is necessary to overthrow this power and put the patriotic! And then unite!
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 17 July 2013 12: 07
        +1
        You agree to the article ..
    3. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 17 July 2013 09: 49
      10
      Asgard
      Welcome.
      Here is my comment from 12.07/XNUMX.

      2013-07-12 Andrey Epifantsev APN "What is behind the rebellion in Pugachev"
      "…1. Over the past 20 years, the North Caucasus as a whole, but much more specifically Dagestan, Ingushetia and Chechnya, the so-called republics of the DIS, have left the Russian constitutional, mental, civil and any other field. This is not Russia, or not completely Russia. The generation that grew there no longer associates itself with Russia. First of all, they are not Russians, but carriers of Islamic national, clan and any other identity. Russia is on the list of their priorities in ... twelfth place if at all. They are brought up on their patriarchal and archaic foundations, they want to live according to their own laws, are grouped according to their characteristics and treat Russia with contempt, with a sense of superiority and historical resentment, as well as a hunting field and a payer of tribute. Internally, they no longer feel like Russia, while according to all Russian laws they are full-fledged Russians, to whom all civil rights fully apply. Obligations are different, but rights apply. This is a very convenient situation when it is almost always possible to live and interact with the outside world, based on your clan identity, but at the right time to resort to the protection of your interests on the basis of official belonging to a common civic identity.
      2. The departure of these regions into religious and ethnic archaics has led to a situation in which independent and free economic existence is impossible in them - the economy is destroyed, unemployment, a terrible social sphere, internal confrontation is growing, extortion is “flash drive”, explosions, life is according to religious rules, the highest clan bearing restrictions and threats, etc. Either the most severe command and administrative system was established there, as in Chechnya, or the clan and religious fronts and anarchy as in Dagestan.
      All this happens against the background of extremely high subsidization - from 80% and above. It is impossible to invest money in the form of subsidies in the real economy of the region in such conditions - it is dangerous, there are no conditions for a normal, civilized business, there is no redistribution insurance in the event of a new war, in the event of the coming of an alien clan and many other reasons, therefore, local elites - bureaucracy supported by the federal government - plunder subsidized money and withdraw it to other regions. Paradoxically, Dagestan - one of the poorest republics - is an exporter of financial resources! Money flows into Dagestan in the form of federal subsidies and flows from it in the form of private investment in other Russian regions! Leaky sieve! Chechnya is an exception, but this is a separate and also very disturbing story - in my opinion, the Chechen fairy tale is final and we can see this end pretty soon ... ”


      In short, apparently everything will continue this way. This region, at times, resembles a suitcase without a handle. And it's inconvenient to carry, and it's a pity to throw it away. We will pay deny to the hired "security guard", knowing that he constantly, PURSES something out of this "suitcase" ...
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 July 2013 09: 38
    +6
    If we analyze all the problems of modern Russia, then they will be based on the problem of corruption as a kind of foundation, it is like a purulent breeding ground in which crime, separatism and terrorism, etc. multiply ... You can surround the Caucasus with barbed wire, you can even "Maginot Line "build and shoot at everything that approaches her, but while a thieving official sits in the office, all this is clap with one hand. I don't even know how to fight corruption. Humane methods will definitely not work, because a walk in the fresh air cannot cure cancer. As an option, I suggest that a thieving official cut off his head right at the workplace and put the alcohol-coated one on his work table, at which his successor will sit, it is strictly forbidden to clean the table in the closet, only on the work table! when the temptation to grab, the sad, experienced eyes of the predecessor will say to him: “Why brother? Is it worth it?” Then corruption will be able to calm down a little, andhaving treated the base it is much easier to cope with all other problems. And "Maginot Line" is not needed.
    1. zennon
      zennon 17 July 2013 16: 43
      +2
      I don’t even know how to fight corruption.

      There are methods:
      http://sudanet.ru/borba_s_corrupciei_v_singapure
      There is no political will ...
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 17 July 2013 09: 41
    +3
    Like, let them cut and shoot each other there, and we will sit behind this very wire and enjoy how fewer Caucasians become. Well, if someone likes this position, then it is more like a clinical case. Indeed, if so, then these people themselves paint in their helplessness, in that they cannot keep the country within the borders that have been formed over centuries - it is easier to separate yourself from the problem, like the Saltykovsky “wise gudgeon”, rather than try to solve it.


    From a "high" point of view, it may be so, only there are thousands of those who have lost relatives and friends in this meat grinder, have lost their health and hope. To what place do they have this "high" opinion and problems?
  • White
    White 17 July 2013 10: 07
    +5
    http://10russia.ru/

    I voted for Mamaev’s mound 6 times from two computers.
  • simpleton
    simpleton 17 July 2013 10: 10
    13
    Mr. Alexey Volodin, you don’t want to understand or really don’t understand, or maybe you live in a different dimension altogether, but the problem is not in the territory called the North Caucasus, but in the mass of people who inhabit it, but in their views on attitudes towards other peoples and nationalities that surround them, in the fact that they are "above all mountains, and even ARARAT, cooler than all, even boiled eggs", etc. Look at how most of them perceive the word Motherland and Russia, how many athletes, the so-called "Russians", behave in terms of presenting themselves: wearing a T-shirt "Ichkeria" or "Dagestan", and we get a salary in rubles. Most of the North Caucasians do not recognize anything but a tough position of power in relation to them, because they have an animal psychology, something from jackals, and therefore we do not need them. They have always been and will be strangers to us. If you want: enemies. Although not all, but in greater mass. Moreover, they are enemies and strangers for their own neighbors, and for the Australians, etc. They will not live in peace with anyone, ever.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 17 July 2013 15: 48
      +1
      I agree, fresh news- "Chechens' houses are set on fire in Poland." Yes, the Chechens are a nice nation, and the whole Caucasus.
  • makst83
    makst83 17 July 2013 10: 17
    +3
    Such comments are surprising: "Everyone into the corral, pull the barbed wire ...." And the fact that for this land, we, the people of Russia shed a lot of blood, but the same Grozny (Groznya) -founded the Cossacks ... and there are many such examples !
  • Opera
    Opera 17 July 2013 10: 29
    10
    Here, in addition to the North Caucasus (sucked type), Tatarstan was mentioned. I will not quote in principle - it’s disgusting to duplicate this muck! I can only say that the volume of industrial production of Tatarstan has long stepped over trillion. rubles! Here and mechanical engineering and electronic and optical instrumentation and chemistry and much much more! But the gentlemen of the separators cannot explain all this! Not because they are stupid - because they have specific goals! And the trend is visible very well in Tatarstan! What will you separate further ?!
    Why is it often forgotten here that Chechnya has already been separated once! What happened? And by gentlemen Yeltsin and the same separator, Lebed, a bridgehead was created on the Russian border for the collection, formation, arming and training of international Islamists and not only (who was not there) scumbags! Then thousands of them invaded the very Dagestan about which the article! And again the guys from Ryazan, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Moscow, Kostroma died ... destroying this bastard! Those who say that the Dagestanis really do not want to be part of Russia would like to recall the simple Dagestanis militias who died with arms in their hands helping the federal troops!
    The escalation of hysteria and mass psychosis in society, the incitement of ethnic hatred, including in the media, are all successive steps towards dismembering Russia! There is a problem? Yes there is! The appointment of Abdulatipov as the head of Dagestan, his statement immediately followed at a meeting of local elites that you have to part with someone, leave yourself better, the arrest of Amirov ... these are concrete steps to solve this problem! There will be no doubt yet!
    Quote: VadimSt
    "high" point of view, it may be so, only there are thousands of those who have lost relatives and friends in this meat grinder, have lost their health and hope. To what place do they have this "high" opinion and problems?

    For the sake of those who died, including children from the North Caucasus, for the integrity and very existence of Russia, the struggle against all dishonesty must continue.
    1. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 17 July 2013 12: 30
      +7
      Quote: Oper
      Those who say that the Dagestanis really do not want to be part of Russia would like to recall the simple Dagestanis militias who died with arms in their hands helping the federal troops!

      There are still those who remember this ..
      Quote: Oper
      The escalation of hysteria and mass psychosis in society, the incitement of ethnic hatred, including in the media, are all successive steps towards dismembering Russia!

      I absolutely agree with what has been said.
    2. valerei
      valerei 17 July 2013 12: 58
      +9
      Operas, yes, the Dagestanis want to be part of Russia, even now hold a referendum! But they want to have Russia as a cash cow, which, by the way, does not need to be kept - this cow! You don't have to do anything, but milk (money) gives! Beauty! And now about the militias. Yes, they defended it, like Moscow in the 41st, but it was not the 41st and they were not defending Moscow, but their own house, a particular house. If this happens (purely theoretically) near Moscow or near Tambov, it doesn't matter, the Dagestanis will not come there with their personal submachine guns, which they instantly got from the hayloft when it got hot. On the other hand: what kind of federal troops were they that could not defeat a handful of Chechen bandits on their own? Without a local "militia"? By the way, did they still have their guns? Or did they pass them after the shooting? But what about the term for keeping weapons? Oh, how complicated everything is in the Caucasus!
      1. Opera
        Opera 17 July 2013 14: 51
        +6
        Quote: valerei
        And on the other hand: what kind of federal troops were they who could not independently defeat a bunch of Chechen bandits?

        You were in Dagestan at that time to talk about a bunch of bandits? If we talk about the number of scumbags of all stripes trained and armed to the teeth, invading Dagestan and the villains that joined them in the field, then this was a full-fledged division, at least! In the villages of Kara Makhi and Chaban Makhi, a real fortified area was created according to all the rules of military art!
        Local militias with hunting rifles and carbines flocked to the aid of the federals, were guides, carried groceries, generally tried to help as much as they could!
        There is a known case of soldiers of the outposts of the internal troops who were among the first to accept the battle. The guys died, the remaining wounded and burned (mechanic - the driver of the BMP) tried to hide the locals. At the place where the children died, the locals also established an Orthodox cross! I had the honor (just like that) to talk with these people, there were tears in the eyes of those talking about the martyrdom of our soldiers, and men were not ashamed of tears! But you should be ashamed of what was written!
      2. Opera
        Opera 17 July 2013 15: 06
        +6
        Quote: valerei
        But they want to have Russia as a cash cow, which, incidentally, does not need to be kept - this cow! Nothing to do, but milk (money) gives! The beauty!

        Do you have common people from Dagestan, Avars, Laks, Kumyks, Dargins, maybe Lezgins? Ask them if you yourself were not in Dagestan, how did they and their families get rich on Russian money ?! It’s unfortunately not easy for simple and honest people everywhere, but there is a law for all sorts of scumbags. It must be for those who hold power condoning these scumbags! That's the problem. Put things in order in your house, in your city, call the deputies and the local authorities to account, so then all together we will put things in order in the country!
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 17 July 2013 15: 22
          +3
          Quote: Oper
          That's the problem. Put things in order in your house, in your city, call the deputies and the local authorities to account, so then all together we will put things in order in the country!

          To the point, Oper. Concise and capacious.
  • virm
    virm 17 July 2013 10: 45
    +4
    Remove from the card, at the beginning of the article, the Stavropol Territory. The Stavropol Territory is Russian land, not Cheburek.
    1. Volodin
      17 July 2013 11: 01
      +2
      Vladimir, Stavropol region refers to the territory of the North Caucasus Federal District, and therefore the map is presented corresponding. Then contact the authorities so that the Stavropol region is transferred to another FD.
      1. virm
        virm 17 July 2013 11: 06
        +2
        Actually, that would be right).
        “Then contact the authorities,” I take it as a joke.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 17 July 2013 11: 31
      +2
      Quote: virm
      Remove from the card, at the beginning of the article, the Stavropol Territory. The Stavropol Territory is Russian land, not Cheburek.

      Well, at leisure, take an interest in whose it was before Russia conquered it.
      And secondly, what can be expected when one part considers the other chebureks, chocks, etc.
      It’s worth remembering that the Russians conquered the Caucasus and for the Caucasians Russians will always be an irritant. Only the steel federal government can lower the degree, but not remove it. Plus, a lot of nationalities and their problems, Russia is difficult to solve these problems. The national clan in Dagestan, it seems to the average man O Dagestanis, one nation and everyone adores each other, inside Dagestan they are all Avars, Dargins, Kumyks and are ready for each meter and for each other to bite another friend. ihodilis when Yermolov burned out villages and Stalin when vyselyal.No right now in the 21st century, whether Moscow will elect this route or the peace will decide ... I personally since the edges and do not know how to peacefully resolve that all were satisfied.
      1. Black
        Black 17 July 2013 16: 38
        +3
        Quote: Yeraz
        Whether Moscow will choose this path or peacefully decide ... I personally from those parts and do not know how to decide peacefully so that everyone is satisfied.


        The power path (and it is inevitably cruel, because light "cleansing" will be like a breeze for a fire) in full is impossible.
        Is Russia not going to give the Caucasus? -No.
        We wish eternal war and eternal problems? -No.
        So the authorities will have to solve the problem. In my opinion, the administrative division may be resolved, the division may be abandoned on the basis of nationality, and the introduction of external management.
        Naturally, the main obstacle is the venality of power in the Center, and as a result, on the ground.
  • aleks77
    aleks77 17 July 2013 11: 01
    +3
    I am very interested in why, under the section of the Southern Federal District, the Stavropol Territory was joined to the North Caucasus i.e. to DICH, but did not leave in the Southern Federal District where Krasnodar and Rostov (just do not say that it happened on a geographical or historical basis), if in order to Stavr. in the region was a counterbalance and stabilized the North Caucasus. so the whole country could not cope ideologically in the 90s and 00s, it’s not that Stavroplie would pull it out, or they gave it to the Caucasus so that they had something to climb on and what they could master, and then they didn’t climb. Who is in the know enlighten?
    1. virm
      virm 17 July 2013 11: 07
      +2
      They gave it away. I do not know. But I guess that’s it.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 17 July 2013 11: 34
      +2
      Quote: aleks77
      I am very interested in why, under the section of the Southern Federal District, the Stavropol Territory was joined to the North Caucasus i.e. to DICH, but did not leave in the Southern Federal District where Krasnodar and Rostov (just do not say that it happened on a geographical or historical basis), if in order to Stavr. in the region was a counterbalance and stabilized the North Caucasus. so the whole country could not cope ideologically in the 90s and 00s, it’s not that Stavroplie would pull it out, or they gave it to the Caucasus so that they had something to climb on and what they could master, and then they didn’t climb. Who is in the know enlighten?

      And what would change this? Well, on paper would Stavropol be in the Southern Federal District, from which it would not physically move from the borders of these republics. Or are there any advantages ??
      1. aleks77
        aleks77 17 July 2013 12: 10
        +1
        Physically, of course, it will not move, but according to the perception with whom and with what St. Kr. will be associated very much will change, will also change in which district he will be perceived as his own.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 17 July 2013 12: 33
          0
          Quote: aleks77
          Physically, of course, it will not move, but according to the perception with whom and with what St. Kr. will be associated very much will change, will also change in which district he will be perceived as his own.

          Sorry of course, but you wrote nonsense.
          What does perception mean? Will it be perceived in the district as its own ?? Right now, that the Russian population does not perceive it as its own and its inhabitants ?? It’s stupid due to the fact that everyone on paper in another district has an attitude towards him, How to the Caucasian republics ??
          1. aleks77
            aleks77 17 July 2013 13: 10
            0
            Do not exaggerate, but the same events that occurred in the Caucasus or in another territory of Russia are perceived differently, what is considered the norm in one place defiantly looks in another and vice versa. Therefore, gradually, what is happening in the Caucasus and the Stavropol region will be perceived as happening in the Caucasus and the same reaction will be.
      2. aleks77
        aleks77 17 July 2013 14: 05
        +2
        And Crimea remained physically in place, only a part of Soviet citizens became citizens of Ukraine and occupiers in the community.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 17 July 2013 11: 31
    0
    Strict dictatorship of the law is only strict observance of all laws and the inevitability of punishment for all. And to set the leader from the side so that there is no clan of no ties for 4 years.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 17 July 2013 11: 47
    +2
    I have a Chechen friend from Grozny, so he watched his countrymen with us and said that it’s a game
  • tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 17 July 2013 11: 57
    +2
    The article is purely theoretical, in practice a completely different matter. It is because of the discrepancy between theory and practice in the Caucasus that these events occur.
    The article depicts some kind of unknown force leading to lawlessness in the republic, at the same time the population of which organically joins Russia, industriously, peacefully and nobly, and only suffers from this "fiery serpent" flying over their land.
    It is very similar to either a fairy tale or a fantasy. Because blood spills a lot, then more on a fantastic action movie.
    And, in reality, but in reality it’s just Dagestan, as it is. He has never been and never will be our Switzerland. Now only the form of robbery of Russia has transformed, and coffins periodically travel from our Switzerland to different provinces of Russia.
    We put everything in order!
  • Anti
    Anti 17 July 2013 12: 04
    +3
    People in power do not need to be afraid to cut themselves or who to slaughter with the power given to them. I don’t give a damn about the opinion of the world community and toughly restore order on our territory. To preserve the integrity of the country, all means are good, I will repeat everything.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 July 2013 14: 59
      +1
      Quote: Anti
      People in power do not need to be afraid to cut themselves or who to slaughter with the power given to them. I don’t give a damn about the opinion of the world community and toughly restore order on our territory. To preserve the integrity of the country, all means are good, I will repeat everything.

      In the meantime, there are people who believe that they live better than the Americans and they do not want change!

      1. Anti
        Anti 18 July 2013 00: 34
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        So far, there are people who believe that they live better than the Americans and they do not want change!


        I can only advise these “people”, return the loot to the treasury of Russia, and make legs until it’s too late.
  • sincman
    sincman 17 July 2013 12: 12
    +3
    PGR Subject Comment
  • Opera
    Opera 17 July 2013 12: 28
    +3
    Quote: sincman

    sincman
    Thank you for the video!
  • Opera
    Opera 17 July 2013 12: 48
    +9
    Quote: Yeraz
    One thing to remember is that Russians conquered the Caucasus and for Caucasians Russians will always be an irritant

    This was due to many reasons, including, not least, persistent requests for help from some Caucasian peoples and their rulers! You cannot not know about it!
    1774 Ossetia became part of Russia, 1781 - Chechnya, 1801 - Georgia ...
    The Armenian writer Abovyan wrote about the time of the entry of Armenia into Russia, as a happy and wonderful century! Many other examples can be cited including the famous testament of Shamil!
    This is for the irritant if you wish!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 July 2013 13: 20
      0
      Quote: Oper
      This was due to many reasons, including, not least, persistent requests for help from some Caucasian peoples and their rulers! You cannot not know about it!

      this is just an excuse !!
      Quote: Oper
      Armenian writer Abovyan wrote about the time of Armenia's accession to Russia as a happy and wonderful century

      So Armenia as such was not !!))
      And only after the conquest of Transcaucasia and the Azerbaijani khanates, the resettlement of Armenians there by decree of Tsar Nicholas in the 19th century, the so-called Armenian region appeared on the territory of the Erivan Khanate)))))))
      If they did not have to be happy)))

      At the end of 1827, at the beginning of 1828, the Russian army captured such cities of South Azerbaijan as Tabriz, Khoy, Urmia, Salmas and Ardabil. On February 10, 1828, by concluding a treaty in the village of Turkmenchay, located on the Tabriz - Tehran road, the Russian-Iranian war of 1826-1828 was put to an end. Under this agreement, the Irevan and Nakhchivan khanates were fully part of Russia.
      On March 20, Nicholas I ratified this treaty, and the next day he issued a decree establishing the Armenian region. The decree says: “According to the agreement concluded with Iran, I command the Irevan and Nakhchivan khanates, annexed to Russia, after that I will call the Armenian region and include in our title. The Supreme Senate will receive the necessary decrees about the structure of this area and the provisions of its governance in due time. ”
      The Armenian region was divided into Irevan and Nakhchivan provinces and Ordubad district. 15 makhals of the former Irevan khanate entered the Irevan province, 5 makhals entered the Nakhchivan province, 5 makhals also entered the Ordubad district. The commander of the local army, Alexander Chavchavadze, was appointed to the post of head of the regional administration.

      General Sipyagin, performing
      the will of General Paskevich, who seized Irevan and
      Nakhchivan Khanates, decided which Azerbaijani
      lands should be sent to Armenians resettled from Iran: “... these
      can be accommodated with convenience in Erivan and Nakhichevan
      areas. "
      From February 26 to June 11, 1828, that is, for three
      and a half months, from Iran to North Azerbaijan - to
      The territory of Ira of Van, Nakhchivan and Garabagh khanates was
      8249 Armenian families, or at least 40 thousand resettled
      Armenians.
      Shortly afterwards, to the lands of Northern Azerbaijan with
      the territory of the Ottoman state was resettled more than 90
      thousand Armenians.

      Famous Russian scientist N. Shavrov, who investigated the process
      resettlement of Armenians in the South Caucasus and determined
      Armenians settled on these lands, wrote in 1911: “Of the living
      currently in Transcaucasia 1 million 300 thousand Armenians over
      one million is not indigenous, but relocated
      us (ie, Russians - ed.). ”
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 July 2013 13: 37
        0
        in 1828, when the "Armenian region" was created within the Iravan and Nakhichevan khanates, ¾ of its population were Muslims. This is confirmed by the letter of General Paskevich to the Chief of the General Staff, which contains dissatisfaction with the actions of General Krasovsky, appointed head of the "temporary administration" Irevan, and a member of this administration, Archbishop Nerses. Paskevich reproached Krasovsky in presenting Nerses with unlimited influence on all affairs, and in harmful patronage of the Armenians, while "¾ of the population of the region are Mohammedans" (V.A.Potto. Caucasian War. Persian War of 1827-1826. Volume 1828, Stavropol, 3 , pp. 1993-594).
        Russian writer S.N. Glinka gives interesting information about the movement of Armenians from Iran towards Karabakh. The political nature of the resettlement of Iranian Armenians to the Muslim lands just captured by Russia is clearly seen in the appeal to the Persian Armenians of the active organizer of resettlement G. Lazarev: "In Erivan, Nakhichevan and Karabakh, where you choose, you will receive an abundance of grain-bearing land, partly sown, of which only a part is processed in favor of the Treasury. You are exempted for six years from all taxes and aid will be given to the poorest of you. " (S.N. Glinka. Description of the resettlement of the Armenians of Adderbidzhan in Russia. M., 1831, p.107-111). SN Glinka writes: “Armenians from various villages adjacent to Turkmenchay moved to Karabakh” (Ibid .: 48). According to his information, “in three and a half months, more than 8.000 families crossed the Araks” (Ibid .: 92). In the spring of 1828, when the stream of Armenians was moving towards Araz, Paskevich received an order to resettle the poorest in Karabakh, and this was reflected in the Russian literature of that time (Ibid .: 90-91). This is how in 1832 the Armenians made up 31,6% of the population of Karabakh, and the Muslims who retained the majority - 68,4% (Review of the Russian possessions in the Caucasus in statistical, ethnographic, topographic and financial relations. Tiflis, 1836, p. 267).
        By the decree of Emperor Nicholas I on March 21, 1828, on the lands of the former Iravan and Nakhichevan khanates, the "Armenian region" was created: "By virtue of the treaty, prisoner with Persia, the annexation of Russia from Persia to the Khanate in all matters will henceforth be called the Armenian region and included in our title" (Complete collection of laws of the Russian Empire. Vol. III, St. Petersburg., 1830, p. 272-273). Russian general and Georgian prince A. Chavchavadze was appointed head of the "Armenian region" (Acts of the Caucasian Archaeographic Commission. Archive of the Main Directorate of the Governor of the Caucasus. Volume VII. Published under the editorship of the chairman of the commission A.D. Berzhe. Tiflis, 1878, p.487).
        At the time of the formation of this area, 75% of its population was Muslim. If during the period of the Russian conquest 49.875 Muslims and 20.073 Armenians lived in the Iravan region, then immediately after the formation of the "Armenian region" 45.200 Armenians were resettled here from neighboring countries (Review of Russian possessions beyond the Caucasus in statistical, ethnographic, topographic and financial relations. Tiflis, 1836, p. 229). A similar situation has developed in the Nakhchivan region. By the time the Russian occupation ended, 17.138 Muslims and 2.690 Armenians lived in Nakhchivan. With the liquidation of the Khanate, 10.670 Armenians moved here in a short period of time. Similarly, in the Ordubad part of Nakhchivan, where originally 7.247 Muslims and 2.388 Armenians lived, 1.340 Armenians were resettled to change the ratio between them (Ibid. P. 229).
  • individual
    individual 17 July 2013 13: 46
    +1
    Ramadan Abdulatipov took up the difficult work.
    It is difficult to break the centuries-old foundations of clan-tribal "laws".
    All honest people of Russia should help the new leader to lead the republic both legally and in fact.
    Abdulatipov is able to unite all the peoples of Dagestan to establish a civilized society.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 July 2013 14: 00
      +4
      Quote: individ
      Ramadan Abdulatipov took up a difficult job

      And what before that Abdulatipov could not do anything ??
      Bigger, and he himself is a representative of one of the so-called clans!
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 17 July 2013 14: 07
    -4
    Quote: Oper
    Quote: Yeraz
    One thing to remember is that Russians conquered the Caucasus and for Caucasians Russians will always be an irritant

    This was due to many reasons, including, not least, persistent requests for help from some Caucasian peoples and their rulers! You cannot not know about it!
    1774 Ossetia became part of Russia, 1781 - Chechnya, 1801 - Georgia ...
    The Armenian writer Abovyan wrote about the time of the entry of Armenia into Russia, as a happy and wonderful century! Many other examples can be cited including the famous testament of Shamil!
    This is for the irritant if you wish!

    Yes, yes, I studied at a Russian school and I know what they write there. The Cherkesses themselves asked for their people to be evicted, Ermolov begged on their knees to burn out the auls, and Stalin probably as a result of the collective petition of some peoples of the Caucasus evicted them in the SA.
    Well, the Armenians have no relation to the Caucasus, and secondly they would not call it a beautiful century. They were cherished and protected, Russian kings resettled and when the Georgians tried to kick back at them and the Azerbaijanis also armed at the unarmed ones. Even now if not for the threat of Russian intervention and the Karabakh issue would be resolved.
  • Fastblast
    Fastblast 17 July 2013 14: 12
    +3
    Oh, these "separators" and "broadcasters" ...
    Then they separate the Caucasus from Russia, then the western part of Ukraine ...
    So they want, lazy people, to cut off the problematic parts and not be soared with treatment.
    Shish to you! =)

    Problems will be solved and not solved by the territorial office.
    Everyone knows where the legs grow and where to start.
    All that is required of a citizen of the Russian Federation is a firm citizenship!
    1. Fastblast
      Fastblast 17 July 2013 14: 28
      -1
      Please argue your minuses.
      Your opinion is interesting.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 17 July 2013 14: 18
    +5
    "Do Chechens hate Russia and Russians?"
    http "// mya.so/terrorism/663


  • piotr534
    piotr534 17 July 2013 14: 24
    0
    The centuries-old history of coexistence shows that the Caucasus is not the easiest region in Russia. And his pacification is hard, painstaking and lengthy work unfortunately involving sacrifices on both sides, but there is simply no other way. At the moment, we are reaping the fruits of anarchy and chaos prevailing in the post-Soviet period, several generations with a perverted worldview have grown and formed, for them the cult of violence and life by concepts is the norm. The pacification of the Caucasus will last decades. hi
  • Manager
    Manager 17 July 2013 14: 30
    +3
    I didn’t read it, but on the topic of the Caucasus I’ll say that already in Moscow in recent months people have been in full swing and are ready to drive all Caucasians out of the city with a pitchfork. This is not about a civil war with the government, but precisely against the Chechens and Dagestanis who are already really doing what they want.
    In the regions, I think all the same opinions. Therefore, I think some drastic actions on the part of the government are simply necessary and the sooner the better. I really do not want a bad scenario. But no one is responsible for all the people.
  • Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 17 July 2013 14: 51
    +4
    Our financial investment is a lot like paying tribute! With the money invested in the restoration of Chechnya, you can gasify half of the Russian hinterland or build roads even between small villages! And there is no end in sight, but the king of beasts laughs - Allah gives money! It is not easy to solve the problem, but it is necessary. To solve it is not too late and to solve it harder! The mentality of our little ones "brothers" was clearly illustrated by the brothers Tsarnaevs! Even in the country that accepted them and caressed them, they could not help but shit!
    I've been on business trips in those parts of the world and many times. They understand only one language - the language of power. The Caucasian fauna perceives any attempts to non-violently solve problems as a manifestation of weakness and the borzometer rolls over instantly. External management, hard registration, prohibition of residing in the territory not included in places of historical residence with the obligatory expulsion of those who managed to seep in, regardless of the merits and the size of the stolen property. This should remind us of the Pale of Settlement that existed in the Russian Empire for Jews. Strength, strength, and again strength. At the slightest disobedience, let alone resistance to respond extremely harshly. Otherwise it will not work! New Caucasian wars, alas, are inevitable!
    1. zennon
      zennon 17 July 2013 15: 01
      -1
      External management, strict registration, a ban on living on territory not included in the places of historical residence with the obligatory expulsion of those who managed to seep in, regardless of the merits and the size of the stolen property, should remind us of the Pale of Settlement that existed in the Russian Empire for Jews. Strength, strength, and again strength.

      Alas, it won’t work out! Don’t forget, the world has changed. Tolerasty rules everywhere. You just imagine how the howl will rise in the world, implement these proposals. We are very dependent on the outside world. Yes and it’s pointless all this! Only complete separation and expulsion of them to the historical homeland without the right to visit Russia!
  • Opera
    Opera 17 July 2013 15: 44
    10
    Quote: Yarbay
    At the end of 1827, at the beginning of 1828, the Russian army captured such cities of South Azerbaijan,

    It makes absolutely no sense to argue with you Mr. Ali. An article about the North Caucasus, but you just need to talk about Azerbaijan and Karabakh in this regard. Just mentioning the name of an Armenian writer who speaks lovingly about Russia makes you furious! Honestly tired of you just! Well, you would have decided for a long time this question, you are so prohibitively strong and rich, what’s Russia to you ?! You can’t - behave yourself, especially in a Russian school, say, studied!
    Quote: Yarbay
    this is just an excuse !!

    Thanks to such and not only reasons, the independent state of Azerbaijan appeared! And in the 19th century, thanks to a citizen with a truly Azerbaijani surname Semenov, oil development in the Baku region began with Russian money and attracted investments. Among the oil producers of that time were mostly people with Russian, Jewish and English surnames! There was even a very serious oilman with a surname (I will not be afraid of the word) T U M A N I N!
    You, Mr. Ali, are you really tired of something with Karabakh. Well, my advice to you is to give a damn about Russia and solve the issue, or spit handy only on the Internet ?! Tired of it!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 July 2013 16: 03
      -2
      Quote: Oper
      . The mere mention of the name of an Armenian writer who speaks lovingly about Russia makes you furious !?

      So after all, he and you write nonsense))))
      And rabies !!?
      I show you that you do not know the topic, that's all !!
      You did not mention the writer, but you brought nonsense on his behalf))))
      Quote: Oper
      Honestly tired of you just!
      Tired, take a break from me))))
      Quote: Oper
      You can’t - behave yourself, especially in a Russian school, say, studied!
      What is my indecentness that exposed your lie ???
      What does the Russian school ??))))))
      Quote: Oper
      Among the oil producers of that time were mostly people with Russian, Jewish and English surnames!
      Well yes?))))
      Nagiyev, Tagiev, Akperov, Zarbaliyev, Akhundov-

      We have always been kind to other peoples and tolerant of the Tumanyans, and they have always been ungrateful!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 17 July 2013 16: 23
      -2
      Quote: Oper
      There was even a very serious oilman with a surname (I will not be afraid of the word) T U M A N I N!

      We have always been kind and tolerant of other nations, and the Tumanyans are usually always ungrateful!
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 17 July 2013 16: 38
        +6
        I still really like the adaptation of the tales of Hovhannes Tumanyan, especially from R. Sahakyants. In my opinion, some of the best Soviet cartoons.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 17 July 2013 16: 50
          0
          Quote: Milafon
          I still really like the adaptation of the tales of Hovhannes Tumanyan especially from R. Sahakyants.

          I do not argue !
          I still like the works of Dzhigarkhanyan and Frunzik Mkrtichyan, too, but what does this have to do with the specific Lies of Abovyan?)))))))
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 17 July 2013 16: 56
      -4
      Quote: Oper
      There was even a very serious oilman with a surname (I will not be afraid of the word) T U M A N I N!



      and his last name is with Azerbaijani roots .... wassat
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 July 2013 17: 04
        -1
        Quote: smersh70
        and his last name is with Azerbaijani roots.

        + + + +
        killed)))))))))
      2. Gari
        Gari 17 July 2013 17: 44
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        and his last name is with Azerbaijani roots ....

        What are the roots ??? laughing
        1. Gari
          Gari 17 July 2013 17: 48
          +7
          Hovhannes Tumanyan was born in the family of a priest. The Tumanyan clan descends from the branch of the Armenian princely (Nakharar) clan of the Mamikonyan, who ruled in the Middle Ages in the village of Dsekh (Lori).
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 17 July 2013 23: 03
            -2
            Quote: Gari
            Hovhannes Tumanyan was born in the family of a priest. The Tumanyan clan descends from the branch of the Armenian princely (Naharar) clan of the Mamikonyan


            yes even though he was born in Antarctica and a relative of the pope winked
            so I would have worn (in) Amilia Mamikonyan ... there is no name Tumanyan .... I do not need to translate the word TUMAN ...-- literally the Turkic word .... hi
        2. Hleb
          Hleb 17 July 2013 18: 52
          +4
          if an Azerbaijani is trying to find his blood in an Armenian, then that’s talking about something)
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 17 July 2013 23: 06
            -4
            Quote: Gleb
            if an Azerbaijani is trying to find his blood in an Armenian, then that’s talking about something)



            60 percent of Armenian (in) amilia of Turkic and Azerbaijani origin - 1 Secretary of the Communist Party of Armenia Demirchyan (iron) .... President Kocharian (nomad)
            by the way Yerevan Armenians differ in appearance and pronunciation from the Karabakh ..... all the same, our influence on them is huge))))
            hi
            1. Gari
              Gari 18 July 2013 09: 27
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              60 percent of Armenian (in) amilia of Turkic and Azerbaijani origin - 1 Secretary of the Communist Party of Armenia Demirchyan (iron) .... President Kocharian (nomad)

              You know, I’m very glad that you know and you are so worried about the names of our glorious leaders, for example, for me on the drum and your leaders their surnames
            2. Gari
              Gari 18 July 2013 09: 31
              +3
              Quote: smersh70
              President Kocharyan (nomad)

              The surname Kocharyan is most likely formed from the Armenian male name Kochar, which in Sanskrit means “holy ray”. It is likely that the parents so called the long-awaited child.
              Finally, there is a version that the nickname Kochar is etymologically associated with the Armenian word “Kochari”. This is the name of the folk dance, which is performed only by men. In this case, it is possible that the ancestor of the modern bearer of the surname Kocharyan skillfully performed this dance.
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 17 July 2013 19: 23
          -1
          Quote: Gari
          What are the roots ???

          Well, what does Tumanyan mean in Armenian ??
          It’s really fun to hear some Armenian surnames, I especially like Allahverdyan. It’s straight purely Armenian)))
    4. Gari
      Gari 17 July 2013 17: 31
      +6
      Quote: Oper
      It makes absolutely no sense to argue with you Mr. Ali. An article about the North Caucasus, but you just need to talk about Azerbaijan and Karabakh in this regard.

      It’s always like that, a little bit what topic and arrows translate into Armenian and Armenia
      Quote: Oper
      the bottom of only mentioning the name of an Armenian writer with love talking about Russia infuriates you

      And what do you want from a person who is here on the Turkish flag

      Quote: Oper
      And in the 19th century, thanks to a citizen with a truly Azerbaijani surname Semenov, oil development in the Baku region began with Russian money and attracted investments.

      In 1844, a Russian engineer Vasily Semenov ten years before drilling the well-known Edwin Drake well in Pennsylvania, began drilling at the Bibi-Heybat field (Absheron Peninsula). In 1846, he drilled here the first exploratory well for oil with a depth of 21 m.

      Quote: Oper
      There was even a very serious oilman with a surname (I will not be afraid of the word) T U M A N I N!

      Since 1808, Baku and Shirvan oil fields were left to the mercy, so the Spanish author of the early 19th century, Juan Van Galen, who visited these places, noted that a certain Armenian paid to the treasury more than two hundred thousand banknotes for the right to operate them.
      The first functional oil refinery producing kerosene was created in Baku in 1863 by engineer and enthusiast David Melikov.
      Mantashev, the Gukasov brothers, the Mirzoyev brothers, Lianozov, Pitoev, Arafelov, Tsaturov.
      This is before the revolution
      In 1923, 31,3% of Azerbaijanis, 28,3% of Russians, 15,2% of Armenians, 14,7% of Persians, 5,7% of Jews lived in Baku. And the composition of Azneft’s employees as of October 1, 1926 was distributed by nationality in the following respect: Russians - 45,7%, Persians - 17,7%, Armenians - 14,6%, Azerbaijanis - 9,7%, Kazan Tatars - 4,3%, Lezghins - 2,8%, Jews - 1,9%, Georgians - 0,3%, others - 3%.
      link http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_industrial_az
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 17 July 2013 23: 08
        -2
        Quote: Gari
        In 1923: 31,3% of Azerbaijanis resided in Baku



        In general, because of the above arguments, we need to dump us on the moon ..... fellow dissolve the state and give everything to our oppressed neighbors laughing
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 18 July 2013 02: 48
          +1
          Listen, comrades (well, gentlemen, as you like), Armenians and Azerbaijanis, I won’t ask who and how started all the garbage in Karabakh, and so I know that you will not agree with each other (or rather, the enemy with the enemy) topic never. Better answer (well, or at least think about it) on this topic: why before Humpbacked am nobody cut anyone? So did not cut that even mixed marriages were? I have friends from Baku, so I know how it was in pre-perestroika times.
          1. Gari
            Gari 18 July 2013 09: 11
            +2
            Quote: Nagan
            Better answer (well, or at least think it over) on this topic: why didn’t anyone cut anyone before Humpback? So did not cut that even mixed marriages were? I have friends from Baku, so I know how it was in pre-perestroika times.

            In 1923, Baku lived: 31,3% of Azerbaijanis, 28,3% of Russians, 15,2% of Armenians, 14,7% of Persians, 5,7% of Jews
            In 1989, 1795 thousand inhabitants [4] lived in Baku, of which 295,5 thousand were Russians. Until 1988, at least 200 thousand Armenians also lived in Baku
            I have not been to Baku, but I have many comrades of Baku People, Baku People of different nationalities - because it was a unique city, there was only one nationality supranational - Bakuin.
            I myself spent all my childhood in such a city only on the shores of another sea and I know what it is but ours was much smaller
            1. Gari
              Gari 18 July 2013 09: 18
              +2
              Quote: Nagan
              why didn’t anyone slaughter anyone before Humpback?

              And you can ask the same question to Georgians with Ossetians and Abkhazians, Uzbeks and Kirghiz, all residents of Moldova, Chechens and Ingushs
              I think so it will be clear what the mission of the hunchback and those who brought him to power
              The result we know is the collapse of the Great Country
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 18 July 2013 11: 39
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Better answer (well, or at least think it over) on this topic: why didn’t anyone cut anyone before Humpback?

            how not to cut ??
            August 29, 1903. Elizavetpol (Ganja) Azerbaijan. On the outskirts of the city, near the Armenian church, several thousand Armenians gathered by the ringing of a bell and according to the script of the Hnchak terrorist organization. As a result of the shooting, civilians of non-Armenian origin were killed and wounded. Research documents explaining the provocative actions of the Armenian church are preserved in the documents of the Russian archives: “... in the service (meaning the Gregorian church - eds.), Only one Catholicos is in the first place, and then the Gregorian Christians; all the rest - both Christians and Gentiles - are heretics and infidels, And all those who not only encroach on the oppression of the Armenian church, but even condescents, are subject to damnation. On the basis of such a doctrine, the Russian Royal House was cursed by the Armenians in 1903 ... ”
            September 2, 1903. Baku. Azerbaijan. At about 5 pm, a significant crowd of armed Armenians gathered at the ringing of a bell at the fence of the local Armenian Cathedral. To the proposal of the local authorities to disperse the crowd responded by firing from revolvers. Only after 45 armed activists of various Armenian gangs were detained, it was possible to stop the bloodshed. In the cathedral itself - behind the icons and the altar - a large number of weapons were found. According to the research of the Russian Caucasian historian V.L. Velichko, “... in all the outbreaks of the Armenian rebellion described above, a number of characteristic facts are striking. Firstly, the Armenian crowd, which is usually considered peaceful and timid, and which, indeed, is naturally cowardly, had a lot of weapons; therefore, long-stocked weapons depots existed, testifying to the existence of an organization preparing for certain actions. Secondly, the rebellious Armenians were called up to the place of unrest by bell ringing and came up with weapons in their hands, and in Kars and Baku they took a kind of strategic position; therefore, everything was prepared in advance. Thirdly, a church calling with bell ringing not for prayer but for massacre, a church whose altar is trampled by the instruments of extermination, is not a house of prayer, but a hotbed of atrocity and an inflow of rebellion against the legitimate authority, Acting in the spiritual interests of the same Church. ” According to researcher Heath W. Lowry, “... when the leaders of the Armenian church participated in memorial services for terrorists who died or were imprisoned and agreed to participate in such events, they actually recognized and approved the actions that the Armenian terrorists ”
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 18 July 2013 11: 42
              0
              September 1904 Baku. Azerbaijan. Armenian terrorists committed the killings of several Azerbaijanis. These killings were warning. 30

              December 1904 - January 1905 Baku. Azerbaijan.
              In Baku, proclamations began to appear with proposals to Azerbaijanis to join Armenian terrorist organizations in order to jointly fight the Russians. In case of refusal, the proclamations contained a threat: “Be prepared that we will stain your land with your own blood and put corpses on fire, which will cover the whole world.” These words, as subsequent history showed, were fully implemented by Armenian international terrorist organizations. According to Senator Kuzminsky: “Apparently, such provocative activity of Armenians has become widespread in the Muslim world ...”. The terrifying proclamations of the Armenians with a negative Muslim response to them are placed in one of the issues of the Chahra Numa journal, published in Alexandria in Farsi.

              February 7, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. About 100 civilians have been killed and wounded by the same Armenian terrorist organization34.

              February 9, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. All the same Armenian terrorist organization carried out pogroms and killings of city residents. The threat of Armenian terrorists, expressed in proclamations circulated in Baku in late 1904, has been consistently implemented. After the massacres, the criminals gathered in the homes of wealthy Armenians (Balabek Lalaev, Artem Babayants, Isay Ter-Osipov, Ako-pa Muradyan, Grigory Sargsyants, Karen Sahakyants and others) and opened fire from the windows and roofs of the buildings, bombarding the city with bombers , grenades of English and French production. The events of February 6-10, 1905 went down in history as the "bloody massacre in the city of Baku." The above-mentioned Armenian magnates along with Mantashev, Ter-Gukasov, Melikyants were members and sponsors of the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”, which began to implement its program installations.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 18 July 2013 11: 44
                +1
                February 20-21, 1905. Irevan (now renamed Yerevan). Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs led by the international terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” committed the killings of Muslims - residents of this city. The brutal executions of civilians terrified eyewitnesses. They were carried out by people brought up in Armenian textbooks, published, according to the Russian newspaper “Caucasus”, “in Paris or Venice”. The authors of these books seemed to program their students for future crimes against humanity: "Armenia is a great word, a great memory of past times, a great element of the future ... Armenians are morally superior to all the peoples around them." In the same textbooks, according to the aforementioned Russian newspaper, it was specifically pointed out that the Armenian people were chosen by God as a mediator of the spread of civilization and Christianity.

                False Armenian history with the aim of creating the foundation, educating the Armenian youth in the spirit of chauvinism was raised to the level of state policy. Our younger generation, brought up in the spirit of the great humanistic ideals of Azerbaijani literature and culture, was under the fire of the persecution of extremist Armenian ideology. The ideological basis for political and military aggression was created by the policy of slanderous slanders on spiritual values, national honor and dignity of the Azerbaijani people. ” 36

                May 11, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. Five Armenian terrorists committed the assassination of Prince M. Nakashidze and G. Takayshvili, who spoke from the position of friendship between the Caucasian peoples. This is evidenced by the recollections of an eyewitness P.P. Shubinsky. On the same day, General Alikhanov was killed. The proclamation circulated after the killings noted that they were carried out by the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”. According to some reports, one of the killers was Drastamat Kanayan nicknamed Dro. Prior to these events, Dro in Zangezur County, as part of various Armenian gangs, took part in bloody operations against civilians - Turks, Kurds, Azerbaijanis.

                Further on the list of those killed by the terrorists from Dashnaktsutyun: county governors Pavlov, Neshchansky, Boguslavsky, vice-governor Andreev, Colonel Bykov and others. 37

                May 24, 1905. Irevan province. Azerbaijan. In the Irevan province, Armenian bearded men opened fire on peaceful Muslims. Taking advantage of the panic among people, the Armenian bandits inflicted brutal reprisal. Its victims were 11 citizens - 4 women, 2 children and 5 men. 38
                May 1905 Nakhchivan. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs in Nakhchivan staged bloody atrocities against civilians. Among the dead are women, the elderly, children. 39
                1905 year. Zangezur. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs carried out massacre of the civilian population of the city. Dozens of people were executed. According to eyewitnesses, Armenian cutthroats used sophisticated forms of executions that were difficult to describe. For example, people were tied by their arms and legs to the bent branches of huge trees. Then the branches were released, tearing the bodies ... Residents were destroyed by Armenian bandits only because they professed the Islamic religion. 40
                June 2, 1905. Well-armed, numerous Armenian gangs attacked the Muslim village of Menkus. Unarmed peasants were forced to flee with their families. In a deserted village, an invalid, an 80-year-old man who, despite the insistence of the villagers, remained at home in the hands of Armenian militants. He died from torture. Armenian bearded men were tortured with a ramrod. 41
                June 8, 1905. A well-armed Armenian gang surrounded the Azerbaijani village of Wushu in the Etchmiadzin district. Muslims who resisted with swords alone were shot from rifles. Capturing the village and destroying the men, the Armenian thugs killed infants, the elderly. A mosque was burned, sacred relics desecrated. According to eyewitnesses, the men of the village fought stubbornly for each house, but the forces were unequal. 42
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 18 July 2013 11: 49
                  -1
                  November 1917 year. Nuha (Sheki). Azerbaijan. According to the report of the member of the Extraordinary Investigative Commission, N. Mikhailov, in the Azerbaijani villages of the Nukhinsky district (now the Sheki region of Azerbaijan), Armenian bandits killed peasants returning from field work. Three women were abducted from the village of Sary Gadzhaly, later found dead with cut breasts. 80

                  14 декабря 1917 года
                  . Azerbaijan. According to the report of the member of the Extraordinary Investigative Commission, N. Mikhailov, an Azerbaijani gang by the name of Bakhshali and his whole family were brutally murdered by an Armenian gang on the road from Agdash to Kutkashen (Gabala). The bandits took off their skin and in this form hung corpses on the trees. 81
                  March 21, 1918. Baku. Azerbaijan. According to eyewitnesses, a detachment of bearded men from the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” flying the flag of the Russian revolution surrounded the building at the entrance to Icheri Sheher (medieval monument city), where there were about two thousand wounded and sick Azerbaijanis, Russians, Lezghins, Jews. By order of the Armenian terrorist Amazasp and Anastas Mikoyan, a member of the Dashnaktsutyun terrorist organization known for its cruelty (later A. Mikoyan for a long time was a member of the ruling communist core of the Soviet Union, where this Bolshevik was of dubious behavior, or rather, the social Menshevik, by all possible and impossible methods carried out the Dashnaktsutyun program), several Armenian bearded men, having sprayed the building with kerosene, set it on fire from all sides. Soon the building turned into a huge flaming bonfire, from which the heart-rending cries of the victims came, and the surrounding area was filled with a pungent, suffocating smell of burning human bodies.

                  According to a resident of Baku, who observed this terrible picture from the roof of a distant building through a large gaping hole, on a heap of charred corpses he saw half-dead people who, writhing, groaned loudly, wriggling in unbearable suffering. Armenian bandits were located nearby and shot everyone who tried to crawl away from the ashes ... At the same time, there was a mass looting of the population of the city of Baku. Only A. Mikoyan and T. Amirov stole and exported 20 gold rubles. 000
                  March 30 - April 2, 1918. Baku. Azerbaijan. According to official figures, about 10 civilians were brutally killed by armed groups led by one of the members of the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” Stepan Shaumyan, numbering 000 people (of which 4000 are Dashnaks) in Baku alone. Machine gunners were stationed in various parts of the city in order to shoot those who tried to escape. The newspapers “Caspiy” (published in Russian) and “Achig sez” (“Free Word”) were also burned these days. After the destruction of the Azerbaijani quarters on the night of March 14, Operation Icheri Sheher began, where the next morning everywhere lay mutilated, burned - where in groups, where one at a time - the corpses of men, women and children. Reprisals against pregnant women terrified eyewitnesses to the events. A depressing sight was the Teze Pir mosque: its entrance was littered with corpses, and the mosque itself was desecrated. On behalf of the new communist government, Armenian terrorist and bandit formations actually carried out genocide against ethnic Azerbaijanis. Only "in one of the suburbs of Baku, 000 mutilated corpses of women with cut off ears, noses, open stomachs, and corrupted genital organs were found." According to eyewitnesses, "young Turkic girls were nailed to the wall alive." Only in one Muslim cemetery - in Chamberkend - 31 thousand victims of the Armenian genocide were buried. Among the buried are Azerbaijanis living both in the city itself and its environs.
                  http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-4.php
        2. Gari
          Gari 18 July 2013 09: 24
          +3
          Quote: smersh70
          In general, because of the above arguments, we need to dump us on the moon

          These are your problems, although your fellow tribesmen prefer places not so remote Russia, Turkey
          Quote: smersh70
          dissolve the state and give everything to our oppressed neighbors

          Neighbors are absolutely not oppressed, very free, maybe you are judging by your standards.
          and your state, created in 1918, will itself disintegrate if your rulers decide to play the war, I think therefore they don’t start
      2. alone
        alone 28 July 2013 10: 33
        0
        well, of course, 31,3%. just don’t forget to include 18000 women and children of Azerbaijanis in this list, who were destroyed by armed groups of Armenians in 1918 in March.
  • Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 17 July 2013 16: 01
    +3
    Now that GDP has power in the Russian Federation without restrictions, only one step needs to be done - to abolish the national-territorial division in the Russian Federation! Which ass Chechen republics or Tatarstan - Grozny region, Kazan region, Ufa region, etc. Who does not agree - remove the snow in Uelen. For the current structure of the country is the root cause of all problems.
    1. Manager
      Manager 17 July 2013 16: 14
      +5
      + The law on the state-forming people!
      1. Black
        Black 17 July 2013 16: 55
        +1
        Quote: Manager
        + The law on the state-forming people!

        You know, when 2 natives (descendants from the mountains) "build" an entire military unit with the soldiers of the state-forming people, the law will not help much.
        1. Normal
          Normal 17 July 2013 18: 59
          +6
          When these immigrants from the mountains will be imprisoned for 5 years for undermining the fighting efficiency of the unit, first with the help of Russian officers, dropping their heads into the toilet. When the representatives of the Diaspora who tried to threaten the officers and their families, the same officers, with the support of the soldiers, break their ribs and put them on trial. When the court will sentence active members of the diaspora to real terms, and less active members of the diaspora will go to their historic homeland. When proud highlanders will wind up the term not in the Caucasus, but beyond the Arctic Circle and without the right to parole. Then the next people from the mountains will not want to build anyone.
        2. Manager
          Manager 18 July 2013 07: 43
          0
          Quote: Chen
          You know, when 2 natives (descendants from the mountains) "build" an entire military unit with the soldiers of the state-forming people, the law will not help much.


          If you put them on this for 10 years as traitors, even how good it will be.
  • tracer
    tracer 17 July 2013 16: 39
    +7
    I would like to give an example of the "Most Developed Countries". Australia .... ALL talk about the "Caliphate" for Australia ends with the same - immediate deportation. And it is to the countries with the most developed "Shariahs". When importing emigrants, religion must be taken into account, that is, in other words, "people with the religion of Islam alien to society are simply not allowed into the country." Democratic? I think yes, in relation to the people of Australia who want a calm and comfortable life. Japan .... It's just that under no circumstances any adherents of the religion of Islam is given a residence permit. And especially religious does not even give entry visas. The result? Have you ever heard of the riots in Tokyo or Sydney? Burning cars, barricades, "Give us Sharia" posters .. Have you heard? Didn't ... have you heard ?. I'm afraid to even imagine what would have happened if in Tokyo or Sydney "Lovers of pure Islam" cut off the head of a guard in public, as in England .. The problem of "jihat against the unbelievers, or the faithful but not very faithful, or a tribute to those who do not dance", arises exactly where a vacuum of centralized and strong power forms. It's like viruses in the body .. Weak, diseases begin to appear out of the blue. I quit drinking, smoking, went in for sports, please, I'm alive and well, viruses "hid". The government's willpower is lacking. But of course it tries, it may take time, but it simply does not exist. We must act today and now, because later it will be too late. 100 ballroom young "zaslantsy" from the Caucasus, nothing more than one of the varieties of the "fifth column" of potential alkaida militants or .. "call it whatever you like." Having dealt with the Assad regime, a cheerful crowd of thugs will rush to the borders of Russia (nowhere else). And here the 100-point honors students with handymen and carriers can demonstrate their "knowledge". There is only one way out ... An example of developed countries in preventing this evil. Severe control by the authorities and the inevitability of punishment. Example .. A company of young Eagles is riding on an expensive "two-storey camel" ... Stop, check everyone "Who, why and where", and by the way, whose "camel"? Whose money was it bought with? Is all wool submitted as taxes to the regional budget? What is difficult to do it? No ... not difficult. Adherents of mountain romance, and those who like to shoot living people, control shadow financial flows. Not subject to taxes or anything other than plundering by the clans themselves. ... Namely, the control of these financial flows is the key factor in the control over the clavnous entities on the territory of the Russian Federation. The clannishness and closeness of the representatives of the North Caucasian republics, fueled by uncontrolled financial flows, is today one of the main threats to the stability of Russia.
    1. zennon
      zennon 17 July 2013 16: 54
      +2
      I would like to give an example of the "Most Developed Countries"

      Well, that all came down in the end to a "thorn", KSP, KPP. That's what I'm saying!
      1. UFO
        UFO 17 July 2013 17: 13
        +3
        Those who want to live "by the law of the mountains" - let them live in the mountains. And the "diaspora" is the same clannishness with which "our" government "fights" like.