Russia decided not to use the NITKA test site in 2013

Russia has officially informed Ukraine that it is not going to conduct trainings on the NITKA airfield in the Crimea in 2013, according to an official statement from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense.

“The Russian side, by letter from 24 on April 2013, informed the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine that it does not plan to use the NITKA landfill in 2013,” the defense department reports, the RIA reports “News».

Back in March, the Ukrainian and Russian military discussed the issue of operating the Crimean NITKA test site, then the Russian side, according to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, expressed interest in further use of the airfield.

Also, the department said that Ukraine today has not concluded an agreement on the use of the Crimean test site with other states, except for the agreement that was concluded with the Russian Federation in 1997 year.

In March 2013, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced that they were considering the possibility of providing a training ground for deck pilots aviation Thread in the Crimea for the exercises of the armed forces of other states.

In August 2012, it was reported that the Ministries of Defense of Russia and Ukraine had agreed on a new lease terms for the unique NITKA complex located in the Crimea, imitating the deck of an aircraft carrier.

This landfill does not represent a significant interest for the defense capability of Ukraine, since the Ukrainian army has neither aircraft carriers nor, accordingly, carrier-based aviation. At the same time, the thread is needed by the Russian air force. It is a unique engineering complex, which was created by dozens of research institutes of the USSR at the end of 1970-x and the beginning of 1980-x.

The simulator flight field simulates the deck of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser. Special mechanisms allow you to recreate the conditions of the stormy sea. In addition, the complex is equipped with a special throwing device and springboard.

By agreement of 1997, Russian pilots of the North fleet got the opportunity to train in the Crimea for one and a half to two summer months.

The Defense Ministry clarified that earlier, Moscow had paid for the use of the landfill with spare parts for Su-type aircraft for an equivalent amount, as well as repair work on the complex. Rent reached 0,5 – 1 million dollars. In 2003, Kiev for the first time proposed to increase the rent and switch to a cash form. Then, under President Viktor Yushchenko, Russian training stopped altogether. In 2008, the Ukrainian side did not allow Russian pilots to the airfield for political reasons - in protest against Russia's participation in the conflict around South Ossetia. In the 2009, Kiev also refused, but referred to technical reasons.

With the coming to power of Viktor Yanukovych, the Russian pilots returned to the range.

In the meantime, in May it became known that the Russian analogue of the NITKA simulator will start functioning in Yeisk at the turn of 2013 – 2014.

Comments

[NickitaDembelnulsa]

Well, why do we need two simulators, despite the fact that there is only one aircraft carrier? Right, why not.

[Airman]

Somewhere information flashed that there were only 8 combat-ready aircraft of carrier-based aircraft (MIG-29K, KUB), so we will wait for NITKU in Yeysk.

[little man]

And where did the drying go?

[queen]

Quote: Povshnik

there are only 8 combat-ready deck aircraft (MIG-29K, KUB)

They didn’t exist. They’ll only begin to arrive. Dryers will be removed, although a deep modernization cries for me.

[Ezhaak]

Since we have built our own simulator in Yeysk, it means that you need to allocate money for it.
I liked the phrase:

on the creation of which in the late 1970s - early 1980s, collectives of dozens of research institutes of the USSR worked.

If I myself hadn’t worked a dozen years in such a sharashka, then I would not have the right to say: They saw the money! But I have it! In those years, financing was carried out on a residual basis. I spent all the money this year, you’ll get more in the new one, I didn’t use it, which means the budget will be reduced. What the employees of the research institute were striving for, guess for yourself, from three times.

[Login_Off]

And now it's different ???

[Akim]

If Russia transfers its aircraft carrier cruiser to MiG, then, in principle, it is correct. One thing is bad. Then the simulator will be transferred to use by the Chinese.

[kirieeleyson]

In other words, they will disassemble and transport to China for the purpose of sale.
Chinese pilots are unlikely to fly to the Crimea for training.

[Argon]

The fact is that in China the "land-based aircraft carrier" has already been built and is functioning, and most of it underwent a greater volume of tests on the VHF of the J-15.

[Akim]

Quote: Argon

in china the "land-based aircraft carrier" has already been built and is operational,

I have shown below what it is. These pictures are from the Chinese respondent J-20.

[Argon]

This is not, so look, a more serious construction "Thread" located directly on the coast.

[Akim]

Quote: kirieeleyson

Chinese pilots are unlikely to fly to the Crimea for training.

This is just what they are interested in. They are interested in the European location of THREADS and another climatic zone. They themselves can build them themselves, if there was documentation.

[queen]

Quote: kirieeleyson

disassemble and transport to China

They are already building their own, they don’t need a thread ... they’ll abandon everything.

[faint27]

Just brothers Ukrainians broke off at the next attempt to earn)))

[Taoist]

My native garrison ... it's a shame, a unique complex, how much effort and money has been invested. And so already consider stolen for the most part. Now the remaining metal will go away. It's stupid like that. It is clear that now there is "independence" and that it is impossible to count on normal combat training. But it was also a LIS for all carrier-based aircraft. It's still a pity how they cut it alive ...

[My address]

And the connection of many industries with Ukraine? Engineering, incl. rocket science; metallurgy; electrical engineering. This is what I know. Everyone broke the EBN, Kravchuk, Shushkevich with our connivance. Now the question about traitors is only where they are supposed to lie.

[Airman]

Quote: My address

And the connection of many industries with Ukraine? Engineering, incl. rocket science; metallurgy; electrical engineering. This is what I know. Everyone broke the EBN, Kravchuk, Shushkevich with our connivance. Now the question about traitors is only where they are supposed to lie.

And the rockets for the "AKUL", which were made in Dnepropetrovsk? There are no missiles, so our authorities decided to "dispose of" combat-ready ships.

[Kars]

Quote: Taoist

It is clear that now there is "independence" and that it is impossible to count on normal combat training.

And why is there the Ukrainian Air Force, in principle, taken into account the miscalculations? The aircraft carriers are not foreseen. And they evacuated about it - how did it operate before the failure of the Russian Federation?

[Taoist]

Yes, consider that they did not exploit. We flew in for a couple of months purely to practice the takeoff and landing ... But there was not just a simulator there - it was a flight test complex. And this complex included not only an imitation of the deck ... There, in addition to THREAD, there were three more "combatant" regiments sitting there. Anti-submarine Be12, Scouts Tu22, and our Yaks ... Where is it all? The fleet's aviation was generally buried. Well, of course, it didn’t give the fuck up to the samostiiniks ... Although they are "naive" they think that only Russia licks its lips on the Crimea ...

[Kars]

Quote: Taoist

Be12 anti-submariners, Tu22 Scouts, and our Yaks

Well, the rich RF also reduced both regiments and airfields, so there is no need to lament. Not talking already about who they left during the division.

Quote: Taoist

Well, it certainly didn’t give in to independents

and vet really didn’t give up.

Quote: Taoist

And the Turks are "white and fluffy".

Turks overseas, with troubled Cyprus, Kurds and NATO commitments. They can be excluded from the list, they can’t attack at all. Yes, even without diplomatic prelude.

[Login_Off]

But I think soon this "Thread" will be in China:
To fulfill the new Chinese order, Ermakov Sr. met a certain officer who serves at NITK. He for the species agreed to cooperate, but immediately reported on the recruitment of Ukrainian counterintelligence. The rest was a matter of anti-spyware technology.

The transfer of classified materials took place in a room in a Saki hotel, Ermakov Jr. checked to see if there was surveillance, wiretapping. He tapped the walls, the ceiling. And did not find anything.

The Ermakovs planned to transfer up to a thousand and a half A4 sheets, diagrams, and drawings to the Chinese side. And all for a tidy sum - a million dollars. As experts said in court, the leak of classified documents would cause hundreds of millions of dollars of damage to the national interests of Ukraine. Under the weight of evidence, Alexander confessed to the crime. And his father, learning about the failure, managed to escape.

An officer of the Ukrainian Navy, who was promised three hundred thousand “bucks” for documents on the “Thread”, was rewarded with a valuable gift - the Kharkov electric shaver from the Minister of Defense of Ukraine. He continues to serve on "Thread."

The Ermakovs case is far from the first. Last year, residents of Zaporozhye were sentenced to long sentences for treason in the form of espionage in favor of China by the Zhytomyr Region Court of Appeal: reserve lieutenant colonel Igor Manzhos - to 11, his wife Natalya - to 10, Vadim Kovalchuk - to 7 years in prison. They also obtained intelligence on the "thread."

And even earlier, for espionage and theft of state secrets, the military appeals court of the Central region of Ukraine sentenced Yao Jun to the senior colonel of the People's Liberation Army of China in the form of five years in prison (released from punishment and deported to his homeland).

As always, the official Chinese authorities, the Chinese Embassy in Ukraine do not comment on the failures of their intelligence and agents. And this is not only the usual practice of all special services. There is also a special oriental specificity: to keep equanimity in case of failures and continue to firmly move towards the intended goal. China has not lost face in this story. For everything, a Russian citizen is blown away.

not bad there turned around in due time.

[Akim]

China has a springboard. But it is not located on the complex, but on the usual runway, with markings.

[Sochi]

It's simple, ours do not want to depend on the unpredictability of Ukrainian politics.

[Reserve buildbat]

The greed of the ukrov will bring "Thread" to the zugunder. As soon as possible. Idiocy is rare, of course. Although let them say thank you that we do not demand the return of Crimea from them. He has never been Ukrainian.

[Slobozhanin]

Quote: stock buildbat

The greed of the ukrov will bring "Thread" to the zugunder. As soon as possible. Idiocy is rare, of course. Although let them say thank you that we do not demand the return of Crimea from them. He has never been Ukrainian.

Or maybe the greed of the "Russians" ?! While they were paying with spare parts from stocks, they flew, as they asked for money, it was not necessary right away ... It reminds of the problem with the repair of Russian ships in Bulgaria, their repair bases are not overloaded with repairs, and since Soviet debts so immediately ... like there is nothing more to take from the Bulgarians ?! and your people at shipyards in flight (but this is so - lyrics)

[Taoist]

They built it all over the country ... But to plunder so at once on "national apartments" ... It's wild. There is no infrastructure on THREAD now ... it is plundered. Only metal structures remained. Last year I was on vacation in Crimea - my heart was bleeding to see what was left of the infrastructure and facilities of the fleet. Is it only the fleet? Drinking out the legacy of the Union? So there is nothing to drink ...

[kirieeleyson]

Quote: Slobozhanin

While they paid for spare parts from stocks - they flew as they asked for money so immediately

below Taoist indicated the answer to this question

Quote: Slobozhanin

They built it all over the country.

Why would Ukraine require money for using the landfill that they built together? The parts were helped, as was presented, by offsetting.

Well, actually, because of this, it is also not the case, especially since no one will issue invoices to anyone, as the Balts do. The question is how not to snatch "THREAD" in the PRC under the noise of the wave. Ukraine knows how to sell the products of the USSR military-industrial complex to the Chinese for a pittance. Not everything should be measured in dollars.

[Akim]

Quote: kirieeleyson

Why would Ukraine require money for using the landfill that they built together?

And why do not you have such a question on the Siberian oil fields? As it is, it is necessary to imagine, and not dream (neither ours, nor yours) of general good and its use. I don’t think that you have Gazprom shares, just like I do not have Azovstal shares.

[Taoist]

And where does Gazprom with Azovstal? At least they work in the business ... Instead of being scrapped and sold for next to nothing. Varyag sold, sell the thread, what will we drive next "at a reasonable price"? And ours are the same - at one time they sawed for three in Belovezhskaya ... Of course, I was commissioned earlier, but I still feel guilty for breaking the oath ... And I didn't change it by the way.

[Kars]

Quote: Taoist

Varangian sold, sell the thread,

I would have sold it long ago. The Chinese equipment when they built their own. The land is recultivated. And the Crimean land is very expensive. If you don’t plunder, you can correct the country's budget.

[Akim]

Quote: Taoist

Instead of being scrapped and sold for a pittance. Varyag sold, sell the thread, what will we drive next "at a reasonable price"?

This is someone as negotiating. The former "Ukraine" was not drunk and sold. THREAD has not been sold and is not being sold either. There is money for its maintenance. And she is in demand. You all think so - that only homeless people live here. The early warning system in Sevastopol and Mukachevo was kept to the last, and no one steals them.
And while they are still working, Russia does not need these centers for radio engineering surveillance, let alone Ukraine. Therefore, they will be decommissioned starting only from next year. (if Russia does not change its mind, but 4 years have passed already).

[Slobozhanin]

Quote: Taoist

And where does Gazprom and Azovstal?

Although the question is not for me ... So they built it with the whole union, but they don’t give us something like oil and gas. :)
And about sales ... Why Ukraine can not sell surplus or unnecessary property? Russia would have taken it and bought it, but we are proud :) it is better to let them rot badly, and we will build a new one in Tridorogo. And it costs money to keep and maintain unnecessary property ...

[Taoist]

"We burned our Fatherland friend, it hurt his smoke was sweet and pleasant" (c)

And now we manage to be proud of it ...

Damn, I studied in Ukraine, served in Ukraine, I managed to take my wife (the first) from the village between Lviv and Ternopil. Someone would then say that we would become for each other "abroad" for a psycho ...

[Akim]

Quote: Taoist

"We burned our Fatherland friend,

I agree. But now, what should I sit on the rubble and remember how it used to be good?

[queen]

Quote: Akim

that I should sit on the rubble and remember how it was good before?

No, our politicians elevate us to destroy the wall.

[Akim]

Quote: regin

our politicians elevate us.

Not my level. Maximum I can sit gossiping in Nete. Work does not get bored. These are those who you are the center of employment are registered and neither X .. do not can come out to criticize the authorities. I have no time.

[aspirin02]

Unique and best of its kind !!!!

[Taoist]

Nice video ... with one small but ... no catapults working there. There are two trampoline starts and a landing finisher. Did not have time to bring the catapult. it was built for the "Ulyanovsk" but never made. And at the same time, as shown here, a springboard with a catapult has never happened at all.