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New plans for the sale of state property

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Recently, the Russian government announced plans for the next stage of privatization, which is scheduled for 2014-2016 years. The plans include the sale of securities of such companies as Rostelecom, VTB, Russian Railways, Aeroflot, Sovcomflot, Alrosa, Zarubezhneft, Inter RAO UES, RusHydro, Rosnano, Vnukovo Airport "," Uralvagonzavod "and other companies with one or another percentage of state control. The head of the Ministry of Economic Development, Mr. Ulyukayev, declares that revenues from the sale of state property at this stage of privatization will be about 1,7 trillion rubles.


New plans for the sale of state property


It would seem that an impressive amount, but there are a number of factors that, to put it mildly, does not give fully rejoice for the enrichment of our state. One of these factors is the statements of the representatives of the Cabinet of Ministers themselves (in particular, the same Alexei Ulyukayev). According to these statements, government revenues from the sale of property will not be 1,7 trillion rubles at all, but 1 a trillion, and even with the most favorable outcome of privatization. Finance Minister Anton Siluanov is even less optimistic. According to him, no more than 1,7 billion rubles (a little more than a third) will fall into the federal budget out of 620 sounded trillion rubles. If so, where will all the other funds that are to be raised during the next privatization stage disappear?

The fact is that the rest of the funds, it turns out, the Government plans to use for the modernization of these same companies, as well as for activities connected with the increase of their authorized capital.

Hmm ... The feeling of some strangeness from such planning does not leave. Suppose that the level of capitalization and development of the same RusHydro or Alrosa does not allow these companies to work with maximum efficiency. Suppose that in order to increase efficiency, it occurred to someone to sell most of the common pie of these companies to a private trader. But why, then, should we invest huge amounts of money for the development of companies, the lion’s share of which for the state will already be lost? Yes, and for what purpose do you need to sell the company, as they say, in batches, if the very people who initiated privatization are doubtful in the outcome of such a sale? Whether it is a kind of economic masochism, bordering on frank unprofessionalism, or something fairly similar, forgive generously, sabotage ...

Another factor that emphasizes the strangeness of government plans is as follows: if privatization is carried out, then it is carried out for a specific purpose. The goals of the privatization phase of the 2014-2016 sample, if it is said, are somehow too veiled. For example, Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets considers privatization to be the completion of the federal budget, which will allow deciding to quote: “more ambitious tasks.” Olga Yuryevna is going to solve some “more ambitious tasks” with the help of a total sale of state property, for some reason she didn’t deign to clarify. More ambitious, and that's it ...

However, there is a definite opinion about these most voiced by Mrs. Golodets tasks. This opinion is connected with the sensational post-electoral decrees of President Vladimir Putin, one of the points of which was the increase in the well-being of Russian citizens. Minister of Labor Maxim Topilin hinted at such a link indirectly, who unexpectedly stated that the state plans to increase real wages in the country over the next five years by 1,5. But such statements need to be supported by something - this is one time, and Maxim Topilin himself is unlikely (with all due respect for the importance of himself and his position in the Government of the Russian Federation) without agreeing "with whom it is necessary" decided to raise the level of general Russian welfare - these are two.

If so, then we can assume the following: the social sphere in case of any emerging troubles in the Russian economy is chosen as the basis. On the one hand, this, it seems, should please, because the state is going to literally in grief and joy to take care of each of us. But on the other hand, at what cost will this care be exercised, if at all there remains only the words of a single minister, from whom bribes may turn out to be smooth ... If the price of such words about care is another squandering of state property that can be seized by exceptional rogues, as it is was in stories of our country, the concern turns into a clearly dubious enterprise. Yes, and the sale of large stakes in companies that bring huge profits to the treasury, for the sake of words about care, also looks far from clear. Why not uniquely? Yes, because while in our country there is no such person who could give 100% a guarantee that the proceeds from privatization will be used specifically to improve the well-being of the citizens of the country, and not a couple of dozen individual representatives ...

And it’s not for nothing that the saying about the sale of the goose that lays the golden eggs continues to this day. And in the case of the new stage of privatization, developed by the Government, we are talking about selling not just one gold-bearing hen, but a whole henhouse of such profitable birds.

But not only profit plays a role here. Well, how, for example, to be with the privatization of Uralvagonzavod, which, as you know, in addition to freight cars and railway tanks produces high-tech military equipment, including Tanks T-90 Uralvagonzavod is on the list of the largest world manufacturers weapons. Is there someone who can control that a large stake in this truly strategic enterprise for a country does not fall into the hands of those whose goals have nothing to do with strengthening Russia's defense capability? Promises to control and real control are different things.

Someone can say, well, this author constantly expresses doubts, because the president said: it is necessary to increase well-being, which means it will definitely increase, even if through the privatization of state assets. Of course, it will increase, who would doubt, only the very word “privatization” in our country over the past years 20 has managed to turn into a real curse word, which can be called any event aimed at undermining the independence of the state. And no doubts would arise if the main ideologues of the past predatory privatization stages were occupied not by important leadership positions, but by free people ... But we, you see, the results of privatization are not being revised. Oh, and what a strong a priori indulgence for those who want to have a hand in the state (national) property!
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  1. Garrin
    Garrin 9 July 2013 07: 29 New
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    Democratic gifts are prepared for themselves with GDP with DAM. Between them, by the way, a cat ran just because of RusHYDRO.
    1. krasin
      krasin 9 July 2013 07: 55 New
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      But here, you see, the results of privatization are not being reviewed. Oh, and what a strong a priori indulgence it is for those who want to have a hand in state (national) property!

      Privatization is not being revised. This drunk and hedgehogs with him handed out the country to those who were at the trough. Yes, people will never respect the home-grown billionaire thieves. If something is the first to go to the shooting
      1. domokl
        domokl 9 July 2013 09: 32 New
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        Quote: krasin
        .If something is the first to go to the shooting

        There will be no shooting simply because home-grown thieves are millionaires who have money. And that means security, security forces in private security companies and so on. Look who is suffering from radical youth (of any kind). Simple people. It’s impossible to even burn Hammer. In the face, the boys get to the fullest at any attempt. And pensioner grandfather Vasya or some clerk Petya, who bought a car on credit in the morning, sees charred remains ...
        1. krasin
          krasin 9 July 2013 20: 26 New
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          Steeper than boiled eggs does not happen! stop ONE GOD COOL!
        2. yak69
          yak69 9 July 2013 22: 50 New
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          Quote: domokl
          There will be no shooting simply because home-grown thieves millionaires have money. And that means security, security forces in private security companies and so on.

          It seems to me that the shooting will still be. Presumably, one part of the population, passionately loyal to Putin and his pocket iPhone clerk, will fiercely resist those who do not like this couple and consider them traitors. This is what the world behind the scenes is seeking, but apparently, one cannot do without it - the contradictions are too acute and the situation is increasingly tense.
          I am against fratricidal war, but, frankly, I see no other way out of the current lawlessness. No, of course he is - everyone is united in taking up the creation of a new Russia. But for whom is she, the future Russia ?! For whom do we all have to unite it together ?! For the current privatizers-Medvedev and Putin, who betray national interests? For chubais, and further down the list? For whom?!!
          Building Russia together is only possible if it is returned to its rightful owner and the only rightful owner - the people of the Russian Federation.
          In the meantime, Russia is only fucked up, all those who are in power! And for us, the TRP and Hero of Labor are being established. What kind of work? Is it capitalist? He worked shockly at the factories in Norilsk, which appropriated prokhorov and potanin - get the Hero! Or in the factories that Deripaska conquered, or the Usman, or on the towers of Alikperov and Abramovich.
          Hero of Abramovich's work! Sounds ...?
          1. Don
            Don 10 July 2013 15: 02 New
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            Quote: yak69
            For the current privatizers-Medvedev and Putin, who betray national interests?

            And in what they betray them? And, I realized, probably in growth, at times the welfare of Russians over the past 12 years. Probably they betrayed the Russian Federation bringing it to the 6th place in the world in terms of economic development.
            Quote: yak69
            Building Russia together is only possible if it is returned to its rightful owner and the only rightful owner - the people of the Russian Federation.

            The people of the Russian Federation? Is he the rightful owner? And what? Mountains and rivers or factories and mines? You probably meant the factories. And personally, you probably also consider yourself the owner? And what did you and thousands of others do in the 90s so that plants would continue to work and stay afloat? Have you even invested a dime in them? But Zyuzin and Mordashev, for example, invested. They kept their businesses from bankruptcy.
            Quote: yak69
            and Hero of Labor. What kind of work? Is it capitalist?

            But do people not work in capitalist countries? Do not work in factories? And it’s enough to divide countries into capitalist and socialist ones. All have long been capitalist.
            Quote: yak69
            He worked shockly at the factories in Norilsk, which appropriated prokhorov and potanin - get the Hero!

            So what? What people do not work there? And Prokhorov no longer owns Norilsk Nickel.
            1. yak69
              yak69 10 July 2013 20: 27 New
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              Quote: Don
              And in what they betray them? And, I realized, probably in growth, at times the welfare of Russians over the past 12 years. Probably they betrayed the Russian Federation bringing it to the 6th place in the world in terms of economic development.

              Dear Don (Sancho Panso), you would go to your Sicily .... and do not forget to bring along the oligophres you adore ... ugh, oligarchs!
              But you don’t want to object, simply because your whole rotten liberal philosophy is visible from far away. In the meantime, stay with your beliefs. Until the moment when we regain power in this country (and not only in this one!) To its rightful owner. Then, let’s think which of those thinking in this way, for how long and in what Siberian sanatoriums will go for treatment.
              hi
              1. Don
                Don 11 July 2013 10: 23 New
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                Quote: yak69
                Dear Don

                laughing Well, where should I go to rest? I’ll figure it out myself, without the help of others. Of course, they are not capable of answering at least something in fact, a little too small. Also called a liberal. laughing Sometimes the Military Review Forum reminds me of the communication of several adults in a kindergarten, among a bunch of children. They will hear clever words like liberal from adults and let him repeat and stick everywhere where necessary and where it is unnecessary.
                Boy, how does my vision of economic structure relate to liberalism? Do you write the term liberalism here? Before you start talking about the economy, open at least one book, and then you and I will be able to talk about macroeconomics, which relates to this topic, and not liberalism. And for your information, I am a conservative.
                1. yak69
                  yak69 11 July 2013 14: 44 New
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                  Quote: Don
                  And for your information, I am a conservative.

                  A conservative is a person who adheres to traditional views adopted in a particular social order. In this particular case, we mean our Russian (and if wider, then the Slavic Orthodox system). So, the conservative, inherent in such a thing as politeness in relation to people in general and to older people in particular. And judging by the rudeness that gushes out of you, I can conclude that I was not mistaken, ranking you as Generation P (both by age and mentality).
                  And since COMMUNICATION (derived from COMMUNITY) is possible only on the basis of constructivism and a desire to understand the interlocutor, I clearly see that COMMUNICATION with people like you is not possible in principle.
                  Therefore, I see no reason to continue to spend your precious time on you.

                  And yet, just in case, dear Don Pepsi. All the same, you should be careful in words and appeals to strangers. You never mind ....
                  Life, it’s long and everything happens in it. It also happens that you have to answer for the spoken word.
                  yes
                  1. Don
                    Don 12 July 2013 11: 30 New
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                    Quote: yak69
                    A conservative is a person who adheres to traditional views adopted in a particular social order.

                    Politeness? This is with what joy should I be polite to a person who, instead of conducting a dialogue on a topic, is only able to send to rest and carry nonsense?
                    Quote: yak69
                    And since COMMUNICATION (derived from COMMUNITY) is possible only on the basis of constructivism and a desire to understand the interlocutor, I clearly see that COMMUNICATION with people like you is not possible in principle.

                    laughing What did I need to understand? All the nonsense off-topic that you carried?
                    Quote: yak69
                    And yet, just in case, dear Don Pepsi. All the same, you should be careful in words and appeals to strangers. You never mind ....
                    Life, it’s long and everything happens in it. It also happens that you have to answer for the spoken word.

                    laughing Well, so welcome to the Donetsk steppes.
                    1. yak69
                      yak69 12 July 2013 19: 56 New
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                      Quote: Don
                      welcome to the Donetsk steppes.

                      No problem. Everything is in order.
                      To each his own hour. Wait.
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 10 July 2013 21: 05 New
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              Quote: Don
              And, I realized, probably in growth, at times the welfare of Russians over the past 12 years.
              Where are the numbers? And the welfare criteria? and the welfare distribution structure? Is household inflation taken into account?

              Probably they betrayed the Russian Federation bringing it to the 6th place in the world in terms of economic development.
              And the criteria for the level of economic development? Or are you sealed up, but do you really mean GDP growth based on an increase in oil prices and tariffs?

              Have you even invested a dime in them? But Zyuzin and Mordashev, for example, invested.
              And where did Zyuzin and Mordashev get this “penny”?

              All have long been capitalist.
              Yeah, only capitalism and state happens. And it is also not clear where to put article 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

              So what? What people do not work there?
              They work, live, but are not very happy with the current state of affairs. hi
              1. Don
                Don 11 July 2013 11: 01 New
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                Quote: Yarosvet
                Where are the numbers? And the welfare criteria? and the welfare distribution structure?

                Yarosvet you are not able to find a comparison of living standards in 2000 and 2013 in a search engine? I think they are capable. I don’t know how old you are, but remember 2000 and now. How people then lived and now. You yourself do not live in a communal apartment and do not spend all the money on a piece of bread. It can be seen that in percentage terms
                Of course, I can paint here in a different way. If you read the economy, you wouldn’t write nonsense about the criteria, and they would build the Lorentz Curve. What kind of criteria and structure of welfare distribution are these? laughing
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%81%D1
                %82%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5
                But by what criteria is the standard of living determined by which the Russian Federation is in 52nd place, although of course I do not agree with every point there:
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C_%D0%B6%D
                0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Is household inflation taken into account?

                laughing What? What is inflation? Household? Is this inflation in your kitchen? laughing Can you explain this term to me? By the way, the Russian Federation has low inflation.
                Quote: Yarosvet
                And the criteria for the level of economic development? Or you’ve sealed up, but you really mean GDP growth,

                No, I did not seal. I explain. The level of economic development is determined by the volume of GDP. Therefore, economic strong states, such as Germany, Great Britain, Japan, Russia, the USA, China, France, India, Brazil are among the 10 most economically strong states.
                Quote: Yarosvet
                But do you really mean GDP growth based on an increase in oil prices and tariffs?

                Lord, I must explain every word to you. Explain to people why you yourself, do not want to read anything about your own homeland?
                Sectoral structure of Russia's GDP (according to data for 2011):
                Agriculture and forestry, fishing - 3,6%
                Mining operations - 9,1%
                Manufacturing industry - 13,6%
                Production and distribution of electricity, gas and water - 3,2%
                Construction - 5,5%
                Trade - 16,2%
                Transport and communications - 7,5%
                Education and healthcare - 5,7%
                Finance and services - 14,0%
                Public Administration and Military Security - 5,0%
                Product taxes - 25,1%
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 11 July 2013 12: 35 New
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                  Quote: Don
                  Yarosvet you are not able to find a comparison of living standards in 2000 and 2013 in a search engine?
                  Ah - in the search engine ... laughing


                  You yourself do not live in a communal apartment and do not spend all the money on a piece of bread.
                  Like this laughing

                  But according to what criteria, the standard of living is determined by which the Russian Federation is in 52nd place, although of course I do not agree with every point there
                  Yes, 52nd place is an achievement: 75% of the working population have salaries of up to 30000, and the average salary is 27000.
                  I think that you do not need to explain how this average salary is formed, and that the average salary in this case is not a rate, but income.

                  What is inflation? Household? Is this inflation in your kitchen?
                  It is in the kitchen - you catch on the fly good

                  Household, or in another way - consumer inflation, the average increase in prices for essential goods and services (food basket, tariffs, public transport).
                  Was she counted? And it in the Russian Federation on average 25% per year and below 18% has not yet fallen.

                  The level of economic development is determined by the volume of GDP.
                  Ah GDP, GDP, GDP ...

                  Economic development- ADVANCED REPRODUCTION, QUALITATIVE and STRUCTURAL positive changes in PRODUCTION FORCES, FACTORS OF GROWTH and DEVELOPMENT, EDUCATION, SCIENCE, CULTURE, LEVEL and QUALITY OF LIFE of the population, HUMAN CAPITAL.

                  Economic growth - increase in production of products over a period of time.

                  GDP - macroeconomic indicator reflecting the MARKET VALUE of all final goods and services produced per year in all sectors of the economy.

                  Sectoral structure of Russia's GDP (according to 2011 data)
                  An entertaining table, but, for obvious reasons, not complete and the growth of economic development in no way reflects.
                  1. Don
                    Don 12 July 2013 12: 00 New
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                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Ah - in the search engine.

                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Like this

                    laughing Humor is good, but you never answered the question. Let's even without indicators. Do you really think that from 2000 to 2013, people's lives have not only not changed, but also worsened?
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    75% of the working population have salaries of up to 30000, and the average salary is 27000.

                    Don’t throw off the link, where did you read this? Of course, I have not seen such statistics, but I can give examples from life. 2 years ago, I was offered a job in the Moscow region as a civil engineer for 60000 rubles. Last summer and autumn, I went on a business trip to Novotroitsk on the Ural Steel twice. Below 20000 rubles there are no salaries for ordinary hard workers, shop managers and engineers get more. There is such a designer company Metprom, offices in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Salaries from 20000 rubles to 150000 rubles.
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    And it in the Russian Federation on average 25% per year and below 18% has not yet fallen.

                    Again, do not throw the link?
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Ah GDP, GDP, GDP ...

                    Stop. It is certainly wonderful that you read all this, but you have lost the essence of the thought. All that you have written in economic development are words, not numbers. Common to all countries with a growing and developing economy are the growth in the cost and quality of human capital due to high investments in it and effective self-reproduction, a reduced level of corruption, effective management, the effectiveness of an innovative system, and a highly competitive economy, stable GDP growth. The main indicators of the country's economic development are the quality of life of the population, the competitiveness of the economy, GDP, GNP, human capital per capita and the index of economic freedom. GDP is growing steadily. That is why the Russian Federation is in 6th place in the world.
                    Let’s even think logically. Look at the top ten of the world in terms of GDP. It is a strong and rich state. And in your Russian Federation accidentally got there?
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    An entertaining table, but, for obvious reasons, not complete and the growth of economic development in no way reflects.

                    And what does the growth of the economy have to do with it? This table shows the structure of Russia's GDP. You write about the increase in GDP due to oil and tariffs. I brought you a table. Where do you see that oil makes up a large percentage of GDP?
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 12 July 2013 15: 25 New
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                      Quote: Don
                      Do you really think that from 2000 to 2013, people's lives have not only not changed, but also worsened?
                      By no means - up to 2005, a certain increase was observed, after - for 75% of the population, the level of well-being either does not change or decreases.

                      Don’t throw off the link, where did you read this?
                      These are my estimates based on statements by representatives of the restaurant business and the travel industry about the number of people who regularly visit catering establishments and travel abroad (in both cases 22%).
                      But there is ROSSTAT data:
                      http://www.gks.ru/wps/wsm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/ru/statistics/population/
                      level /


                      Again, do not throw the link?
                      No - see the cost of travel in public transport in 2000 and now, the cost of a kilowatt of electricity, utility bills, etc. (since the fare since 2000 increased by more than 450%, the growth of utility bills - more than 1500%)

                      Common to all countries with a growing and developing economy are the growth in the cost and quality of human capital due to high investments in it and effective self-reproduction, a reduced level of corruption, effective management, the effectiveness of an innovative system, and a highly competitive economy, stable GDP growth.
                      Unless in the textbooks.

                      The main indicators of the country's economic development are the quality of life of the population, the competitiveness of the economy, GDP, GNP, human capital per capita and the index of economic freedom. GDP is growing steadily. That is why the Russian Federation is in 6th place in the world.
                      The devil is in the details: for example, the second economy of the world - China - is such only nominally, and in terms of GDP per capita it is great behind even Russia.
                      The average temperature in the hospital does not determine the quality of life; here it is necessary to look at the minimum guarantees and the distribution system: in the same China, the rural part of the population (more than 50%) lives in our understanding in poverty.
                      The competitiveness of the economy is determined by the quality, variability and volume of production, and in Russia, GDP growth is due to rising prices, and the structure of the economy is almost unchanged.

                      We are in the top ten because of the rating of numbers - the average citizen from such a "leadership" is rather cold than warm. You will take an interest in the size of the minimum wage and compare it with the official cost of living, and in the end, read article 133 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation.

                      And what does the growth of the economy have to do with it? This table shows the structure of Russia's GDP. You write about the increase in GDP due to oil and tariffs. I brought you a table. Where do you see that oil makes up a large percentage of GDP?
                      I write that GDP is now growing due to GROWTH OF PRICES for oil and tariffs: rising prices for tariffs, for fuels and lubricants - gives rise to an approximately uniform increase in prices for everything. As a result, the structure of GDP is approximately preserved, but the real volumes of production remain the same.

                      A link to the source of the table, please.
                      1. Don
                        Don 17 July 2013 11: 13 New
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                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        By no means - up to 2005, a certain increase was observed, after - for 75% of the population, the level of well-being either does not change or decreases.

                        I don’t understand how you calculated these 75%. Another thing is important. They can’t live right all right, but there’s no stratification of society like before. Most of the population is middle class, and this is already a good indicator.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        These are my estimates based on statements by representatives of the restaurant business and the travel industry about the number of people who regularly visit catering establishments and travel abroad (in both cases 22%).

                        You judge the salaries of the population according to the restaurateurs? And they from kda possess such information? And when did they make any statements? And your link for some reason does not open, it gives an error.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        since 2000, it has grown by more than 450%, the growth of utility bills - more than 1500%)

                        Well, actually, travel and utility bills were supposed to grow in 13 years. Well, your interest is something embarrassing. Discard the link about such a rise in price.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        The devil is in the details: for example, the second economy of the world - China - is such only nominally, and in terms of GDP per capita it is great behind even Russia.

                        Sure. AND? GDP per capita is not an indicator of wealth. I already gave an example to someone on this forum. In Brunei, there will always be higher per capita GDP than in Indonesia, as oil is produced there a little less, but the population is 500 thousand, and in Indonesia 150 million. The same is with China.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        in China, the rural part of the population (more than 50%) lives in our understanding in poverty.

                        Exactly. You explain this to this person igor.borov775, otherwise he gives all the PRC here as an example.
                        In general, let’s finish on welfare, otherwise you and I are already conducting three dialogs, plus I also answer others, but I don’t have much time. Compared to at least the CIS countries, the standard of living in the Russian Federation is quite high. I wrote you the real salary figures above. Well, they can’t earn all 1 million per month. The stratification of society certainly was, is and will be. The main thing is that in the Russian Federation a significant part of the population is the middle class.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        I write that GDP is now growing due to GROWTH of oil prices and tariffs:

                        How can GDP grow only due to rising oil prices if oil in the structure of Russia's GDP is only 7%? And when it recently the price of oil has risen sharply.
                2. igor.borov775
                  igor.borov775 12 July 2013 05: 59 New
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                  Hello, I’m reading the same story again, Cunningly respected and do not have to make excuses, GDP is estimated in money, Therefore, cunning, you are simply deceiving us all here, A simple example is the production of 500 million tons of oil Even more than in the USSR, Multiply the price by money, Even a schoolboy will figure out why there are so few days, Building 6 million square meters, And how many apartments and other rooms are silent, China is more honest than YOU dear, 2013 to build 36 million apartments, Clearly, And so everywhere, And YOU have a hype of clean water, It’s interest he sees and that he doesn’t see anything around, If according to the statistics published it will be a shame and not growth, And one more income of oligarchs is counted in GDP, In the USA these incomes at the level of manufactured goods are some small percent in GDP growth, And it’s not necessary the wave to drive which YOU conservator is exactly the same as our whole system that says half the truth, Even Putin admitted it by clearly calling the general average temperature, This calculation was fixed in dashing 90 with the help of friends, And stop lying, Write how many new mov is built in a village in RUSSIA and how many apartments, And so throughout your noodles though be like China, HERE dear not children but people who have seen the world,
                  1. Don
                    Don 12 July 2013 12: 37 New
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                    Quote: igor.borov775
                    Sly dear and no need to make excuses

                    laughing And who makes excuses?
                    Quote: igor.borov775
                    GDP is estimated in money, therefore, and dissemble, you are simply deceiving us all here,

                    laughing What are you? AND?
                    Quote: igor.borov775
                    , A simple example of oil produced is 500 million tons. Even more than in the USSR, Multiply the price of money,

                    A simple example? Comrade, open a book on economics, but rather not just one, read it. What you write is a childish concept of economics. What does the GDP to oil production now in the USSR. I have already written a table of the structure of Russia's GDP. This is the first. Secondly. Oil prices were different. The oil market was different. You do not take inflation into account over the years. You completely disregard direct and indirect taxes. Do you know the difference between income and profit? Will the student count this too? Or maybe a schoolboy, as an expert, will do an analysis of the oil and oil products market? laughing
                    Quote: igor.borov775
                    A simple example of oil produced 500 million tons. Even more than in the USSR

                    In Russia, an average of 500 million is mined annually. In the USSR, from 1975 to 1988, an average of 600 million is mined annually.
                    Quote: igor.borov775
                    The construction of 6 million square meters, And how many apartments and other rooms are silent, China is more honest than YOU dear, 2013 to build 36 million apartments, Clearly, And so everywhere

                    I am very happy for China, given that the population of China is 10 times higher than the population of the Russian Federation. Now turn on the thinker.
                    Quote: igor.borov775
                    , And one more thing in the GDP is the income of oligarchs. In the USA, these incomes at the level of manufactured goods are some small percent in GDP growth

                    Oh my God. It's just awful. A person with children's knowledge of economics is trying to sculpt economic conclusions here. What for the income of the oligarchs in GDP? What are you grinding? You are also talking about some kind of cunning here with a clever look. Urgently back to school or university.
                    Gross Domestic Product (Gross Domestic Product), generally accepted reduction - GDP (English GDP) - macroeconomic indicator reflecting the market value of all final goods and services (i.e. intended for direct consumption)produced per year in all sectors of the economy on the territory of the state for consumption, export and accumulation, regardless of the nationality of the factors of production used.
                    Taxes in Russia's GDP are only 25%.
                    1. igor.borov775
                      igor.borov775 12 July 2013 20: 55 New
                      +3
                      Of course, I’m not offended. Well, I’m a schoolboy, How our government ordered the money in 2009 to be reminded of both China and India, They have invested part of the accumulated resource in the economy, And now they are already starting to receive returns in the form of a new product, What do you think is growth or not, well, yes, we are kindergarten children, we can’t liberal laws, still can’t figure out how much money was taken away in 2010-2011, whether it’s a trillion or less, It’s about the budget, what’s very significant, it’s built up and it started to bring a normal income to the budget, It’s hard even to remember anything, but the oil pipeline to the east and that’s all. I also remember that the prime minister gave guarantees for a loan to launch the rolling mill 2050. At that time, there was one Opel or it was forgotten, that’s made a noise, By their actions they themselves crushed the fact that breathing even more is very easy. There’s no cheap loan, it’s a long prime loan that ran around the country this and the next year and credit was the problem everywhere. Which is not true, your confidence that production is with AMO will cope with this problem, it is pulling more and more complicated relations both in industry and in other industries, and I don’t want to argue. The only moment to do something was missed and now the situation on the financial market in the world is different and the possibilities have become different. Then China announced many companies offered to participate in the construction of new production facilities, and they then chose the crisis, and now it’s not that
      2. Ross
        Ross 9 July 2013 12: 11 New
        +9
        The new privatization was undertaken by Russian Rothschild agents to buy assets. The main government agent for the sale of property identified is the Rothschild Bank Golden Sachs. BP Rothschild lost to Rosneft Putin and Rockefeller Exxon Mobile, now they want revenge. And DAM and its "government" are Rothschild agents. am
        1. Rink
          Rink 9 July 2013 13: 09 New
          15
          As long as the Russian oligarchs (of dark origin, well, God bless him) withdraw their assets into offshore and into Swiss bank accounts, until then no privatization of such state-owned enterprises can be made. And only those who have at least 90% of the capital in Russian accounts can be allowed to privatize tenders.

          Otherwise, such privatization is simply a sale to foreigners of their economy and its complete dependence on the puppeteers over the hill. Sell ​​such companies, and the next day, either wait for another collapse of the economy, or some "Tahrir Square" with Internet-controlled hamsters.

          Medvedev resign nafig! followed by an audit by the UK of its activities as head of government for the protection of the state interests of Russia!
          1. Don
            Don 10 July 2013 15: 25 New
            -7
            Quote: Skating rink
            withdraw their assets in offshore and in accounts with Swiss banks

            fool Comrade, do you know the meaning of the word asset? Will explain. Asset is:
            1) Part of the balance sheet (left side), reflecting the composition and value of the property of the organization on a certain date.
            2) The totality of property owned by a legal entity or entrepreneur.
            Now think what nonsense you wrote.
            Quote: Skating rink
            And only those with at least 90% of the capital held in Russian accounts can be allowed to privatize tenders.

            Whose capital is a corporation or individual? What kind of capital, stocks or money supply.
            Quote: Skating rink
            Otherwise, such privatization is simply the sale of its economy to foreigners.

            Who said that only foreigners will participate in competitions or will sell only to them? And the economy is not only a few factories, mines and power plants. Read the meaning of the term economics. And what they are going to sell is not 5% of the industry.
            Quote: Skating rink
            economy and its full dependence on the puppeteers over the hill.

            And what is it she is addicted to will be interesting to me? Will taxes be assigned from abroad? Stop grinding nonsense.
            1. yak69
              yak69 10 July 2013 20: 39 New
              +4
              Quote: Don
              Comrade, do you know the meaning of the word asset?

              Don is not our friend!
              Your comrades are among the representatives of Generation P. And this scum of traitors and degenerates has never been and will not be a comrade to those who created the national wealth of a great country through their labor.
              You, dear Don, when did you graduate from high school? Probably five or seven years ago? Have you already learned in some university, not Natalia non-sterile case? And it is very similar. Everything is there with such a mentality and conviction.
              1. Don
                Don 11 July 2013 11: 42 New
                -7
                Quote: yak69
                Your comrades among the representatives

                And again an empty chatter, but in fact there is nothing to answer. That affected my biography. I’m also interested in yours. At my 30 years old, I already managed to get two higher educations as a civil engineer and enterprise economics. Therefore, I write with facts, names and numbers, and not like you. Of course, you don’t have much mind to write a couple of lines in general.
                1. yak69
                  yak69 11 July 2013 15: 31 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Don
                  At my 30 years old, I already managed to get two higher educations as a civil engineer and enterprise economics.

                  Having a piece of cardboard and stamped paper does not mean having knowledge. Yes, now there are many such newly-made people with a "higher education", which in reality turns out to be nothing more than a sham. What, what, and you are proud of your pieces of paper. The only difference is that my generation, this is the generation of great construction projects, discoveries, achievements and conquests, and your generation of Pepsi upstarts, this generation of parasites and underserved children, who are happy to use the exploitation of man by man and do not see anything wrong with that. And this is the very Westernized liberalism in question.
                  Fortunately, not all 30-year-olds belong to the Pepsi generation. I have a lot of young officers, up to 30 years old, who are thinking and reasoning differently (not like you). These are people who already have a combat and practical life experience ... And now, precisely because I see rational, modest guys, conscientiously fulfilling their duty and understanding that there is continuity of generations in respect for the work of elders, and therefore the basis for which, in fact, is the process of building a country, it is precisely this that gives me hope that these guys will not allow upstarts, like you, to finish off our country and put it at the feet of your idols - zyuzins, Mordashovs and other bandits.
                  1. Don
                    Don 12 July 2013 12: 56 New
                    -2
                    Quote: yak69
                    Having a piece of cardboard and stamped paper does not mean having knowledge.

                    And blah, blah. blah. Your next talk is off topic. Another idle talk about the fact that youth education is not right, here is our generation and all the others. I was born in the Soviet Union and I consider it my homeland, but there were pros and cons. But one must live in the present, not in the past. But where are you wise men from the past wonderful generation, who are now snotting the keyboard about the past, were in the 91st? Empty talk.
                    Quote: yak69
                    Fortunately, not all 30-year-olds belong to the Pepsi generation. I have a lot of young officers, up to 30 years old, who are thinking and reasoning differently (not like you). These are people who already have combat and practical life experience.

                    How wonderful. That's just interesting to me. If they are of the same opinion with you, probably these young officers are not very happy with the fact that they have now been raised their salaries and given apartments.
                    In general, further communication is off topic, I'm not going to talk with you. This is an empty chatter. You are not capable of refuting any fact. If you have a lack of communication, exit the porch, on a bench, sit and talk with your grandmothers and a fitter drunk about how everything used to be good, but now it's bad. They are just your level of communication.
                2. brat2
                  brat2 16 July 2013 01: 24 New
                  +1
                  For normal boys, as well as for the Don and other "ghans" (although the "ghans" are well aware of this themselves).
                  http://www.sovross.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=593581&pagenum=1
                  The “Colossus on Clay Feet” (the country's economy, which has not been modernized for more than 20 years) is systematically being achieved. All profits in the country are only from the sale of oil and gas. So that’s all. VERY SOON they plan to pick up different rockefellers and Rothschilds. Plush, supposedly by himself, but in fact, together with poo, where would you be in a hurry without him. For the owners rush.
                  1. Don
                    Don 23 July 2013 11: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: brat2
                    For normal boys

                    laughing Another youngster crawled onto the site and imagined himself to be a competent economist. Go to school to start graduating. He cited the proof. Soviet Russia. Generally not a biased newspaper. laughing And again about conspiracy theories, about the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. Again, all sold. How many years I hear this achenae, but it does not happen. At least one evidence at least brought. What is the complete lack of brains in people ?! Is it in the interests of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers that probably TNCs and Yukos have transferred to state ownership? Head at least a little think. But this is generally funny:
                    Quote: brat2
                    All profits in the country are only from the sale of oil and gas.

                    Give a small and brainless open book or talk with an expert, and do not pile a dried-up newspaper. The share of oil, gas and oil products in the export structure is 45%, for comparison, in Kuwait, 90%. Mining 9,1% in the structure of GDP, in Kuwait 50%. So what do you mean shkolota?
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 9 July 2013 19: 22 New
          12
          Quote: Ross
          And DAM and its "government" are Rothschild agents.

          You will notice that apparently physically ugly people are the most crap for Russia. Humpbacked with his spot, labeled, his mother like that. Yolkin is four-fingered. Drunk, todes him in a swing. Now DAM, with a large head and narrow shoulders, by the way, psychiatrists see him as their client.
        3. Don
          Don 10 July 2013 15: 11 New
          -4
          Quote: Ross
          BP Rothschild lost to Rosneft Putin and Rockefeller Exxon Mobil, now they want revenge.

          Well flooded conspiracy theories. Drop at least one link where it says that BP belongs to the Rothschilds, and ExxonMobil Rockefellers.
          Quote: Ross
          The main government agent for the sale of property defined-Rothschild Bank Golden Sachs

          Again, where did you read that? And Goldman Sachs, not Golden. Since you compose, I can too.
        4. Don
          Don 11 July 2013 11: 32 New
          -1
          Quote: Yarosvet
          And where did Zyuzin and Mordashev get this “penny”?

          Zyuzin and Mordashov in the late 80s and early 90s, working at the mine and plant, deputy director for commerce and foreign economic activity of the mine and head of the bureau of economics and labor organization, made money. During privatization, they created their own companies and acquired shares. I can describe in more detail about any of them. For example Mordashov. The general director of the Cherepovets plant, Yuri Lipukhin, instructed Mordashov to privatize the plant. At the age of 27, Alexei Mordashov created a Severstal-invest subsidiary (Severstal owned 24% of the shares, and Mordashov personally owned 76%) and then bought up Severstal shares. Having thus gained control of the enterprise, Mordashov became the director and owner of Severstal.
          What is not legal here?
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Yeah, only capitalism and state happens

          Oh my God. People well, do not write nonsense. What is state capitalism? You wrote nonsense. Of course, I understood what you meant. You mean that in a capitalist state there can be state ownership, as in the PRC. That's just there there are corporations that belong to the state, and there are which belong to private capital, and some partially also to foreigners. As well as in the Russian Federation.
          Quote: Yarosvet
          They work, live, but are not very happy with the current state of affairs

          Have you visited all the factories, mines, banks and other facilities and conducted a social survey? But I already knew that I was at two Mechel factories in Chelyabinsk and Moscow Region, and in Novotroitsk on Ural Steel, and in Lipetsk. And he talked with people. And at the same time I can tell you how things are going on at the factories of large corporations in Ukraine and Kazakhstan. In particular, Krivoy Rog and Temirtau.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 11 July 2013 22: 47 New
            -1
            Quote: Don
            Zyuzin and Mordashov in the late 80s and early 90s, working at the mine and plant, deputy director for commerce and foreign economic activity of the mine and head of the bureau of economics and labor organization, made money.
            So I ask - how did they earn this money?

            During privatization, they created their own companies and acquired shares.
            I mean they printed a certain amount?
            And how did they carry out the privatization - each employee of the enterprise out of kindness gave them a voucher, or did they buy these vouchers for the unclear how "earned" money?
            But did they not have an hour of insider information that was not available to ordinary employees?

            and then bought up Severstal shares.
            What kind of shisha?

            What is not legal here?
            Privatization itself is at least a violation of Article 7 of the Constitution, plus muddy privatization schemes.

            You mean that in a capitalist state there can be state ownership, as in the PRC.
            No, I had in mind the USSR, in which there was state capitalism: international trade was conducted in a market manner, and only within itself the Union acted as a socialist state.

            Quote: Yarosvet
            Have you visited all the factories, mines, banks and other facilities and conducted a social survey?
            It was about Norilsk. http://samlib.ru/b/burjachenko_n_m/
            1. Don
              Don 12 July 2013 15: 14 New
              -1
              Quote: Yarosvet
              So I ask - how did they earn this money?

              And according to your deputy director, he makes little money. In the late 80s, my father worked as a chief engineer and received an average of 900-1000 rubles, and that was at that time. In addition, it was possible to take a loan without any problems. which he most likely did. I wrote to you above that they were sold legally but cheaply. And in your opinion, where did he get this money? In general, how do you imagine stolen? In your opinion, he came to the director’s office where the shares of the Cherepovets Metallurgical Plant were lying in a bag and stole them, quietly, until no one sees it? wink
              Quote: Yarosvet
              I mean they printed a certain amount?

              Not. Before privatization, the state made of all plants, factories, etc.
              made OAO. But at auctions, shares were to be sold. As for the vouchers, you are right, but there is BUT. Absolutely most people did not understand the value of these vouchers, and most sold them for a penny, because they didn’t even know their value, and not which for a bottle of vodka. So there wasn’t much money. I am still the owner of Azovstal shares. wink
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Privatization itself is at least a violation of Article 7 of the Constitution, plus muddy privatization schemes.

              Did you read it? Probably not. How does it prohibit privatization?
              Quote: Yarosvet
              It was about Norilsk

              Good, but Norilsk Nickel is not all businesses. And to that the opinion of the publicist does not interest me much. I am more interested in the opinions of workers and engineers at Norilsk Nickel. Their salary, social benefits and payments.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 12 July 2013 23: 00 New
                +1
                And according to your deputy director, he makes little money. In the late 80s, my father worked as a chief engineer and received an average of 900-1000 rubles, and that was at that time.
                Yes - this is not enough. And if you really dig, the left pops up completely there, in other words, ILLEGAL money.

                In addition, it was possible to take a loan without any problems. which he most likely did.
                I was not asking about a hypothesis.

                And in your opinion, where did he get this money? In general, how do you imagine stolen?
                Do you know the concept of "shadow capital"?

                Not. Before privatization, the state made of all plants, factories, etc.
                And the state had the right to this?

                Absolutely most people did not understand the value of these vouchers, and most sold them for a penny, because they didn’t even know their value, and not which for a bottle of vodka. So there wasn’t much money. I am still the owner of Azovstal shares.
                Wonderful laughing Do you understand what you wrote?
                You wrote that there was a place to be an insider, that the state did not fulfill its obligations prescribed in the Declaration of Sovereignty and the Constitution (in particular, part 7 of the Constitution was completely violated) laughing

                Did you read it? Probably not. How does it prohibit privatization? [
                Of course I read, and it does not prohibit privatization - it prohibits privatization in the form that the latter had.
                A social state is a state where everything is for the people, for society (this follows from the definition) - but privatization, for most of the population, was a negative factor, and therefore not legal. It is another matter if it were recorded that the Russian Federation is a socially-oriented state, but it is recorded that it is SOCIAL laughing

                Good, but Norilsk Nickel is not all businesses. And to that the opinion of the publicist does not interest me much. I am more interested in the opinions of workers and engineers at Norilsk Nickel. Their salary, social benefits and payments.
                Sergey - let's not spread our thoughts on the "branch": if you started talking about Norilsk - we are talking about Norilsk. If you are not satisfied with my information - counterargument, give as an example blogs of Norilsk residents, Norilsk Nickel workers - anything.
                1. Don
                  Don 23 July 2013 14: 01 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Yes - this is not enough.

                  What a little? The salary? I say, then it was possible to easily take large loans and sell vouchers for a penny.
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  And if you really dig, the left pops up completely there, in other words, ILLEGAL money.

                  E-May. Well, what kind of left money? More specifically, if possible. What did he trade in your weapons?
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Do you know the concept of "shadow capital"?

                  It’s familiar. And how did he do it as a senior economist?
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  And the state had the right to this?

                  Sure. Any state has the right to sell property in state ownership.
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  You wrote that there was a place to be insider

                  What is the insider? What information did the plant director, for example, know inaccessible to the general public? In the case of vouchers, the price is set by the market; in the case of shares, the price is set by the auction. With this situation, any working plant can be called an insider.
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Declarations of Sovereignty and the Constitution (in particular, part 7 of the Constitution is completely violated)

                  What is this part 7 of the Constitution? You can specifically name the article or link to throw off.
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Of course I read, and it does not prohibit privatization - it prohibits privatization in the form that the latter had.

                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  but privatization, for most of the population, was a negative factor, and therefore not legal.

                  In no way does it relate to privatization. In this situation, the 7th article of the Constitution can be attributed to any incorrect or partially incorrect action of the president or government. It can be attributed to the collapse of the 91st year, and to increase tariffs, and to the price of gasoline. And by what criteria do you assess the negative for the people from privatization? You, for example, have personally suffered from it?
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Sergey - let's not spread our thoughts on the "branch": if you started talking about Norilsk - we are talking about Norilsk.

                  You started talking about Norilsk Nickel.
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  If you are not satisfied with my information - counterargument, give as an example blogs of Norilsk residents, employees of Norilsk Nickel - anything.

                  I haven’t been to Norilsk and at the enterprises of Norilsk Nickel, but I don’t want to look for anything on the blogs. I’m used to drawing conclusions while interacting with people lively, not virtual. Who knows what they write on the blog. People always like to complain. I doubt very much that an ordinary Norilsk Nickel worker will come after work and start writing something on a blog.
                  But we can talk about other enterprises where I was and talked with people: Metinvest, Mechel, NLMZ, Ural Steel.
          2. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 12 July 2013 21: 20 New
            -1
            Who is against the rich people only unreasonable, I respect many capitalists as they say now. If he doesn’t matter what he is doing with his work and production, it’s right, who argues, you need to help,
        5. Don
          Don 12 July 2013 12: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: igor.borov775
          And don’t have to drive a wave which YOU conservative is exactly the same as our whole system that says half the truth

          Maybe it's time to think all the same with your head? YES WHAT DOES CONSERVATISM TOWARDS ECONOMY? Then a number of people are weak-minded !?
          Conservatism (fr. Conservatisme, from lat. Conservo - I keep it) is an ideological adherence to traditional values ​​and orders, social or religious doctrines. In politics - a direction that upholds the value of state and public order, the rejection of "radical" reforms and extremism. In foreign policy - a bet on strengthening security, the use of military force, the support of traditional allies, in foreign economic relations - protectionism.
          Quote: igor.borov775
          And stop lying, Write how many new houses are built in the countryside in RUSSIA and how many apartments,

          But is this state supposed to be building a house in the village? Private traders must build. And should they? You analyze the real estate market. Is there a need for building houses. If a person decided to settle in the village, he himself must buy a house there or build it, as it was now and before. China is an example. Yes, a dynamically developing country. That's just the standard of living of the majority of the population is far from ideal.
          I will write here to you and everyone else. I do not intend to answer your next uneducated conclusions. And I am not going to explain to everyone here and give lectures on economics. A student who has economic lessons understands more than yours. People do not want to read anything, but consider themselves great specialists in the economy.
          1. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 12 July 2013 21: 37 New
            0
            By the way, all apartments in China are sold except for military and other specialties, there are such specialties who do not have to pay for it and cannot, I would like to see how famously it turns out at a doctor in a distant village with us, And you are right the state should not build but it should participate, namely, in a preferential loan more and is not necessary,
      3. Siberian German
        Siberian German 9 July 2013 13: 24 New
        0
        I think your shooter will turn out to be zilch, but they have one more question
    2. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 9 July 2013 08: 49 New
      24
      Quote: Garrin
      Democratic gifts are prepared for themselves by GDP with DAM.

      On the rack of enemies of the people! There is also the experience of privatization, what the hell. Well then they didn’t know how it would end and what it was done for (I mean for the collapse). Now this is already a challenge to the whole nation and country. And if someone says that this is right and necessary, then it is clear that the enemies. At the expense of the red-headed reptile, everything is clear, but where to look at our vaunted and correct "king". That's the question!
      1. domokl
        domokl 9 July 2013 09: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Oleg147741
        Okay then they didn’t know how it would end

        Yes, they all knew then. Enterprises that have national significance will always be supported by the state. The same Russian Railways. What can replace them? With civil aviation, we all saw what would happen in the future.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 9 July 2013 12: 07 New
        11
        Quote: Oleg147741
        At the expense of the red-headed reptile, everything is clear, but where to look at our vaunted and correct "king". That's the question!

        Well.....
        He probably looks in his pocket like all of them, and thinks how later he will join the world elite .....
        And it will broadcast from high venues, like Zbigniew with Henry ....
        Dreaming of a shorter future ....
        web.dog, web.dog where are you?
        Tell me something wonderful about the “good” king and the occupied “boyars”.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 9 July 2013 23: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: baltika-18
          and thinks how then it will join the world elite .....

          He is from the very beginning there ..........
      3. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 9 July 2013 15: 49 New
        +6
        Quote: Oleg147741
        ... but where does our vaunted and correct "king" look. That's the question!

        So he also looks there - he is “king”, which means everything is either coordinated with him, or he is one of the initiators - it’s obvious laughing
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 9 July 2013 19: 25 New
          -4
          Quote: Yarosvet
          either he is one of the initiators

          What do you expect from him to be a saint? There was a saint, Nicholas 2, they did not accept, they chose the Revolution. We have what we deserve. Unfortunately, of course.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 9 July 2013 19: 42 New
            +7
            Quote: Uncle
            Was a saint, Nicholas 2
            Was or appointed? laughing

            Quote: Uncle
            What do you expect from him

            Performances Constitution of the Russian Federation “Do you mind?”
          2. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 10 July 2013 16: 27 New
            +4
            Did you seriously call Nikolashka a saint? Yes, even his mother said about him that he was not in his place. Now they are called suckers and nerds.
        2. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 9 July 2013 21: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Yarosvet
          So he also looks there - he is “king”, which means everything is either coordinated with him, or he is one of the initiators - it’s obvious



          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 9 July 2013 21: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: FATEMOGAN


            Have you tried to read the constitution?
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN 9 July 2013 22: 35 New
              +3
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Have you tried to read the constitution?

              Is this what American advisers wrote under Yeltsin’s grants to Soros?
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 9 July 2013 23: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                Is this what American advisers wrote under Yeltsin’s grants to Soros?

                You still read - you will be greatly surprised that the American advisers who wrote the Constitution of the Russian Federation turn out to betray the interests of the State Department. laughing
                1. FATEMOGAN
                  FATEMOGAN 9 July 2013 23: 57 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  You still read - you will be greatly surprised that the American advisers who wrote the Constitution of the Russian Federation turn out to betray the interests of the State Department.


                  Did they tell you through acquaintance, or did you yourself declassify them? more details please bully
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 10 July 2013 01: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: FATEMOGAN
                    Did they tell you through acquaintance, or did you yourself declassify them? more details please

                    Read, my dear, read - this is very informative.

                    Read the Constitution, read the comments on “dubious” articles, make up your mind and be able to talk specifically about what you don't like about it.

                    At the moment, you are engaged in empty 3.14 pleasure.
                    1. FATEMOGAN
                      FATEMOGAN 10 July 2013 09: 59 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Read, my dear, read - this is very informative. Read the Constitution, read the comments on “dubious” articles, make up your mind and be able to talk specifically about what you don't like about it.


                      Listen to you, so at least you wrote this very constitution. Come out of the shadows, keep it simple and people will reach you, Sir Soras bully
      4. optimist
        optimist 9 July 2013 16: 08 New
        16
        Quote: Oleg147741
        but where to look at our vaunted and correct "king." That's the question!
        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 9 July 2013 21: 11 New
          -5
          Quote: optimist

          1. Hon
            Hon 9 July 2013 21: 58 New
            +4
            That is, the public is a monkey?
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN 9 July 2013 22: 05 New
              -3
              Quote: Hon
              That is, the public is a monkey?

              Try to read again the slogan under the picture, I believe you will succeed.
              1. does it
                does it 10 July 2013 15: 49 New
                +4
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                Try to read again the slogan under the picture, I believe you will succeed.

                That is, the public that is not zombified by religious propaganda, and soberly looking at the situation in the country and in the world. I am silent about the hooligans and hooligans. By the monkeys they (some societies, sects) call the people goats.
      5. Dilshat
        Dilshat 9 July 2013 21: 10 New
        +4
        There is such a profession in Russia to sell the Motherland. For the reign of DAM and its minions!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 9 July 2013 21: 16 New
          -2
          In vain you are so! You need to follow your tongue! You are to blame!
      6. nycsson
        nycsson 9 July 2013 23: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Oleg147741
        At the expense of the red-headed reptile, everything is clear, but where to look at our vaunted and correct "king"

        Yes, the same as the red one! Is it really not clear ?!
      7. Don
        Don 10 July 2013 15: 27 New
        -1
        Quote: Oleg147741
        Now this is already a challenge to the whole nation and country.

        Right now, the experience of the 90s is taken into account.
    3. A-50
      A-50 9 July 2013 08: 51 New
      +3
      DAM immediately after the appointment reported to the employers, they say, the course on privatization will continue. The word must be kept - otherwise ... they will remove it. And in public. And Vladimir Vladimirovich, I think, I agree, yes. And all this redhead is a beast am
      1. INTER
        INTER 9 July 2013 09: 14 New
        12
        It's like the picture
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 July 2013 09: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: A-50
        DAM immediately after appointment reported to employers

        Reported to Putin! He has no other leaders.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 9 July 2013 09: 26 New
          +4
          Are you serious???
        2. strange and pretty meaningless
          strange and pretty meaningless 9 July 2013 09: 33 New
          +8
          employers - read carefully. And this, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation - PEOPLE (the only source of power). And whoever has the DAM control panel is a behind-the-scenes business. Although the ears stick out
          1. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 9 July 2013 09: 52 New
            16
            How much can you rob a country? How much can you step on the same rake? Why do some get richer from scratch undeservedly, while others get poorer? After all, they will participate in this privatization with stolen money from previous illegal privatizations of state assets. In developed countries, re-privatization is being carried out (France, for example), and we are saturating all pseudo "elites"! They’re already sitting on gold toilets, they don’t know what to do with it - but people live along the BAM in iron trailers, there are not enough funds for the rearmament and modernization of the army and navy! Look at Chubais, Prokhorov and other liberal bastards - maybe they should be rich at the expense of the state and citizens of Russia? Is there really no other way to saturate the treasury?
            1. Garrin
              Garrin 9 July 2013 11: 54 New
              +8
              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              Is there really no other way to saturate the treasury?

              Easy. Collect all this, as you say, pseudo "elite", pinch the genitals in a vise and squeeze slightly, while yourself, all your assets in the state. the budget will not be transferred. But this requires political will. But she is not. And apparently, the current leadership will not, because themselves of them.
              1. does it
                does it 10 July 2013 16: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: Garrin
                Easy. Collect all this, as you say, pseudo "elite", pinch the genitals in a vise and squeeze slightly, while yourself, all your assets in the state. the budget will not be transferred. But this requires political will. But she is not. And apparently, the current leadership will not, because themselves of them.

                Give people plenty of bread, meat and wine, give them shelter and clothes. Let them fade away
                hunger and want, and at the same time everything that separates people. "
                - And it's all? asked Rumata.
                - It seems to you that this is not enough?
                Rumata shook his head.
                - God would answer you: "It will not benefit people. For the strong
                your world will be taken away from the weak that I gave them, and the weak are still
                will remain poor. "
                - I would ask God to protect the weak, “Reason the cruel rulers”,
                I would say.
                - Cruelty is power. Having lost cruelty, rulers will lose power,
                and other cruel ones will replace them.
                Budah stopped smiling.
                “Punish the cruel,” he said firmly, “so that it is not disastrous to be strong.”
                be cruel to the weak.
                - A man is born weak. He becomes strong when not around
                no one is stronger than him. When the cruel of the strong are punished, their place
                take the strong from the weak. Also cruel. So you have to punish everyone, but I do not
                I want this.
                “You know better, almighty.” Then just make people
                received everything and did not take from each other what you gave them.
                “And this will not benefit people,” sighed Rumata, “for when
                they will receive everything for nothing, without labor, from my hands, they will forget labor, lose
                taste for life and turn into my pets
                A. and B. Strugatsky - It is difficult to be a god. Dialogue of Budakh and Rumata (chap. VIII).
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 9 July 2013 15: 59 New
              16
              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              How much can you rob a country? How much can you step on the same rake? Why do some get richer from scratch undeservedly, while others get poorer?
              1. Karabin
                Karabin 9 July 2013 18: 02 New
                +2
                Yarosvet
                This "lollipop" is sucked out - they slip another one, nothing has changed for 20 years.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 9 July 2013 19: 37 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Karabin
                  This "lollipop" is sucked - slip another

                  Exactly - they are already popping, ONF is called.
              2. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 10 July 2013 20: 13 New
                -3
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Quote: Ruslan_F38
                How much can you rob a country? How much can you step on the same rake? Why do some get richer from scratch undeservedly, while others get poorer?


                Well, if you are a fan of sucking Yarosvet, then go ahead, and generally note, 140 million live in Russia, you should not take on such responsibility and determine everyone. Can we still choose the expression?
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 10 July 2013 21: 12 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan_F38
                  Well, if you are a fan of sucking Yarosvet, then go ahead
                  You see, Ruslan: THIS is the one who chose it sucks.

                  and in general, note that 140 million live in Russia, you should not take such responsibility and determine everyone
                  So I do not define anyone - now everyone is determined by himself, but I only state.

                  Can we still choose the expression?
                  Is my expression at odds with the site’s rules?
                  1. Ruslan_F38
                    Ruslan_F38 10 July 2013 22: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    Well, if you are a fan of sucking Yarosvet, then go ahead
                    You see, Ruslan: THIS is the one who chose it sucks.

                    and in general, note that 140 million live in Russia, you should not take such responsibility and determine everyone
                    So I do not define anyone - now everyone is determined by himself, but I only state.

                    Can we still choose the expression?
                    Is my expression at odds with the site’s rules?



                    That's Yarosvet - Determined, Chooses, Votes, Makes the wrong choice or the right, Mistakes - but not .... - you surprise me - well, is it really not clear? Well, which of more than half of the population of this country will like your "characteristic"?
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 11 July 2013 01: 03 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      Well, which of more than half of the population of this country will like your "characteristic"?

                      It doesn’t matter to me whether I like my characterization or not, it’s important for me to finally understand what’s what.
            3. 755962
              755962 10 July 2013 01: 47 New
              +8
              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              How much can you rob a country?

              And ABOUT SIMPLE PEOPLE AND SPEAK DON'T HAVE TO ..
            4. Don
              Don 10 July 2013 15: 35 New
              -2
              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              After all, they will participate in this privatization with stolen money from previous illegal privatizations of state assets.

              Everything was within the law and according to the law, the problem is that they sold for little money.
              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              In developed countries, re-privatization is carried out (France, for example)

              For example? So give an example of at least one plant. And at the same time, read the meaning of the word reprivatization before grinding rubbish.
              1. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 10 July 2013 19: 54 New
                +3
                [quote = Don] [quote = Ruslan_F38] After all, they will participate in this privatization with stolen money from previous illegal privatizations of state assets. [/ quote]
                Everything was within the law and according to the law, the problem is that they sold for little money.
                [quote = Ruslan_F38] In developed countries, re-privatization is being carried out (France, for example) [/ quote]
                For example? So give an example of at least one plant. And at the same time read the meaning of the word reprivatization before grinding nonsense. [/ Quot

                All according to the law, was it a matter of prices? Where do the criminal cases come from? Yukos for example? If you carefully study the history of privatization in Russia - you can safely return most of the assets to the state, since it was illegal - read the independent investigations of privatization of the 90s on the Internet. Even those who privatized huge enterprises at that time, then destroyed and sawn-up, declare, "that the privatization of the 90s was, to put it mildly, not entirely legal."
                As always on this site - if there are no weighty arguments - accusations of incompetence begin. I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word reprivatization.
                France.
                After the Second World War, General Charles de Gaulle transferred one of the leaders in the automotive industry of France - Renault - to state ownership. This is just one example that is easily found on the internet. You can find similar about any European country. Go ahead.
                1. Don
                  Don 11 July 2013 12: 08 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Ruslan_F38
                  Where do the criminal cases come from? Yukos for example?

                  Yukos bent on tax evasion rather than privatization. I am not saying that all privatization was fair. And I agree that some assets need to be returned to the state. Many of them, by the way, were returned. As for the internet. Well, you yourself understand, they write a lot of things everywhere. You can find the exact opposite information. But I bow to trust the opinions of experts, not journalists.
                  Quote: Ruslan_F38
                  he himself will become familiar with the meaning of the word reprivatization.

                  Reprivatization - the return to private ownership of previously purchased or nationalized (confiscated) enterprises, land, banks, shares, other securities, etc., the reverse transition to privatized property, that is, the return to private ownership of the state property that arose in result of nationalization.
                  http://tolkslovar.ru/r5435.html
                  Quote: Ruslan_F38
                  After the Second World War, General Charles de Gaulle transferred one of the leaders in the automotive industry of France - Renault - to state ownership. This is just one example that is easily found on the internet.

                  Renault nationalized since his leadership collaborated with the Germans. Now notice he was returned to private ownership. Now only 15% of the shares are owned by the state.
                  Quote: Ruslan_F38
                  You can find similar about any European country. Go ahead.

                  Well, maybe you can name at least one more large European company that you have nationalized for unknown reasons.
                  1. Ruslan_F38
                    Ruslan_F38 11 July 2013 16: 46 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Don
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    Where do the criminal cases come from? Yukos for example?

                    Yukos bent on tax evasion rather than privatization. I am not saying that all privatization was fair. And I agree that some assets need to be returned to the state. Many of them, by the way, were returned. As for the internet. Well, you yourself understand, they write a lot of things everywhere. You can find the exact opposite information. But I bow to trust the opinions of experts, not journalists.
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    he himself will become familiar with the meaning of the word reprivatization.

                    Reprivatization - the return to private ownership of previously purchased or nationalized (confiscated) enterprises, land, banks, shares, other securities, etc., the reverse transition to privatized property, that is, the return to private ownership of the state property that arose in result of nationalization.
                    http://tolkslovar.ru/r5435.html
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    After the Second World War, General Charles de Gaulle transferred one of the leaders in the automotive industry of France - Renault - to state ownership. This is just one example that is easily found on the internet.

                    Renault nationalized since his leadership collaborated with the Germans. Now notice he was returned to private ownership. Now only 15% of the shares are owned by the state.
                    Quote: Ruslan_F38
                    You can find similar about any European country. Go ahead.

                    Well, maybe you can name at least one more large European company that you have nationalized for unknown reasons.


                    Tax evasion is just an excuse, you understand that the main reason for which Yukos "bent" is politics and assets (I believe that the main motive was assets and not political ambitions of Khodorkovsky) that were purchased for a penny, even in the recently released pro-Western a documentary about Khodorkovsky - this is said.
                    There are no experts on your Internet? All major scientific works, expert opinions, analysis - are on the Internet. Theses, for example, after the defense must be published on the Internet.
                    I agree with reprivatization, nationalization will be more correct - in my opinion, this is exactly what you need to do with most privatized property (large enterprises, banks, land, etc.).
                    Nationalization of a number of industries in England in the 1940s
                    Nationalization of the Suez Canal by the Government of Egypt in 1956
                    Nationalization of the mining industry in the Republic of Chile in the 70s
                    There are many examples.
                    Given the state of the majority of privatized Russian enterprises - is this not a reason for their nationalization?
                    1. Don
                      Don 23 July 2013 18: 09 New
                      0
                      And now, Ruslan, let's remember how our dialogue began. You wrote that Yukos bent over for privatization. I wrote that for taxes. And now you write:
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      you understand that the main reason for which Yukos was "bent" is politics and assets

                      It turns out that you contradict yourself. And even if for assets. Why not Lukoil or TNK?
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      Nationalization of a number of industries in England in the 1940s

                      Well, if you already read this on Wikipedia, let's take a look. You can nationalize, but for what ?! In England in the 40s, this was done after the war, when most enterprises were on the verge of bankruptcy, and not because privatization went badly. In a capitalist country, they simply do not carry out nationalization. Bankruptcy was impossible and only 20% nationalized.
                      nationalized a number of sectors of the British economy (coal and steel industry, railways, civil aviation, electricity, utilities, Bank of England, etc. - a total of about 20% of the UK economy).
                      The coal and steel industries were unprofitable. After that, the state was unable to do anything with the mines, which is why it closed in the 80s, for which the Thatcher miners do not like. Metallurgical plants suffered greatly during the war, private capital could not restore them, and therefore nationalized. Then they were sold back.
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      Nationalization of the Suez Canal by the Government of Egypt in 1956

                      Do you think this is a good example? The Egyptians without any rights nationalized the canal, which they did not even build. Now, if they entered the stake, this is another matter.
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      Nationalization of the mining industry in the Republic of Chile in the 70s

                      Under the presidency of the communist. So what? What did the people of Chile benefit from this? Or what did the mines upgrade and raise salaries?
                      Quote: Ruslan_F38
                      Given the state of the majority of privatized Russian enterprises - is this not a reason for their nationalization?

                      What is their interesting condition? Have you ever been to a factory?
                      Understand you can nationalize, and then what? Do you want to leave everything in state ownership or then conduct normal privatization?
          2. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 9 July 2013 12: 39 New
            +7
            Wait a minute, you’re not writing correctly. In Davos, I carefully watched how much I could broadcast on the box. DAM flew there myself. At the forum I had to say the exact word was hard to choose the best German, you couldn’t say DEPRECATED, All the experts kept saying that the economy was still treading barely visible and an interesting saying most privatization at this stage is not desirable, I am sorry to say in my own words, It was about the economy as a whole around the world, It wasn’t said by our so-called specialists, but many experts were much stronger, They talked about China well, they don’t get used to this horror that they say about its economy In short, the conclusion was that a clear privatization should be invested until the economy grows, when demand increases, But the main thing was that in almost all of these statements that debtor countries must necessarily carry out cost optimization, You catch the idea of ​​getting rid of what prevents us from reducing budget expenses. 90g Remind urgent and fast privatization of state property or loans not to be seen, The truth is interesting, I have to watch such distant forums, I turned off immediately before and decided to listen and I do not regret it. I took the DAM sitting beautifully in an armchair and told me that I was tired of how the economy began to work better. economy, And the legislation was amended and the laws changed, and it became better for business to work, you can’t say anything, can speak, But at the end of my speech I’ve started talking about something else saying that the state can already afford to get rid of many blocks of shares and enterprises that I already jumped in its property the chair wow, and he poured names and calmly said that foreigners should come to us before it’s too late, then we will look differently, And most importantly, that we’ve caught it and they all work normally and bring good profit, the audience gave DAM and applause the speech instantly changed the despondency slowly left, And I was only worried about the question if these whales are sold what will he didn’t talk about it with the budget, and yet nobody spoke about it out loud in the country, this is the first mention of the plans of the new government, That's how the employer heard that privatization will be, but not in a hurry, they talked about it as a prospect, clear plans were announced in DAVOS, Regards
      3. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 9 July 2013 09: 47 New
        14
        Quote: A-50
        And all this redhead is a beast

        I read the comments. What can I say?
        It’s worth a picture of Chubais, Yeltsin-whether, Gorbachev to post - that’s all, many suffered and ..unsured. Yes, to hell with them. Now it steers -PUTIN! That's who there is demand for and to whom all the questions. And then they will throw the aforementioned faces, like a red rag, all instantly forget the essence of the conversation. But the essence (in particular) is that Putin does not need responsibility for anything. The next state property of AFFective private owners - all questions on management and productivity - to them will be shed. Or, as always - go to court, i.e. go to ...
        Quote: My address
        Interestingly, what kind of noise will come up with for distraction? Or will they just grind the year, that without this, no way?

        Yes, this noise accompaniment, as much as you like, now here is the Universiade. Athletes Well done good , this can hide behind. True, this is like a firework, fleeting, but no one will say that "pros.alipolymers." Then the Olympics, in the fall, again the second part of the "Marlezon Ballet" (issue with the reform of the RAS), also which one the property. Syria is very worried about everyone, Egypt and Turkey are beginning to "see" ... Yes, there are few reasons, even to CREATE from nothing - "noise accompaniment". And then you don’t need to invent them ...
        If you decide Privatize - shove. URAYAYAYA ...
    4. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 9 July 2013 11: 03 New
      +6
      hi
      Excuse me, colleagues, but even only a photograph of this “red face” causes attacks of motivated aggression.
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 9 July 2013 12: 46 New
        0
        Yes, gentlemen, cool now others are already steering another thing that they are very similar but there is no problem in reserve there is still a clip
      2. O_RUS
        O_RUS 9 July 2013 15: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        Excuse me, colleagues, but even only a photograph of this “red face” causes attacks of motivated aggression.


        I think you are not the only one
      3. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 9 July 2013 16: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        hi
        Excuse me, colleagues, but even only a photograph of this “red face” causes attacks of motivated aggression.

        Well then, here's a heap for you (the whole company is here) - aggression laughing

        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 9 July 2013 16: 27 New
          +7
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Well then, here's a heap for you (the whole company is here) - aggression

          Father .......
          Familiar all faces.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 9 July 2013 19: 49 New
            +7
            Quote: baltika-18
            Father .......
            Familiar all faces.

            Well, how else? laughing

            It was only in the sick imagination of his followers - Fedorov, Starikov, Prokhanov, Kurginyan and the like - that the idea that the State Department slipped Medvedev and other shobla Vove away while he was sleeping and was powerless could be numbed.
            1. ziqzaq
              ziqzaq 9 July 2013 21: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Well, how else?

              It was only in the sick imagination of his followers - Fedorov, Starikov, Prokhanov, Kurginyan and the like - that the idea that the State Department slipped Medvedev and other shobla Vove away while he was sleeping and was powerless could be numbed.

              To V.V.P. Of course, a lot of questions have accumulated, the average layman (for example, me), but friends, for example, find a photo of the communist elite of the 20s, there in the background, with a modest expression on his face, is the great man of our time IOSIF VISSARIONOVICH STALIN .....
              The time came and he cleaned out all the feces from the country, so that the shooting of the campaign headquarters did not say much. But another fair question arises: has anything changed since then? Take a look around ......
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 9 July 2013 21: 42 New
                0
                Well done! I also thought a lot about it, thoughts coincided! We’ll clean out all the dung, be calm! With or without it! I would like to be with it!
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 9 July 2013 21: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Den 11
                  I would like to be with him!

                  Love the first time?
                2. Karabin
                  Karabin 9 July 2013 22: 32 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Den 11
                  We will clean out all the dung, be calm! With or without it!

                  So get started, what are you waiting for.
                  1. kavkaz8888
                    kavkaz8888 10 July 2013 16: 37 New
                    +1
                    We’ll dig up carbines in the gardens and start
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 9 July 2013 21: 55 New
                +4
                Quote: ziqzaq
                but friends, for example, find a photo of the communist elite of the 20s


                Oh yes, of course - it's about time laughing

                Tell me - in whose favor will the comparison be if we compare what Stalin did for the period from the 22nd to the 35th year and Putin did for the period from the year 2000 to 2013?
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 9 July 2013 22: 01 New
                  +1
                  Believe me, my friend, everyone will answer according to their own affairs! You can believe, you can not believe --- IT WILL BE!
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 9 July 2013 22: 18 New
                    +9
                    Elzin answered? Gorbachev? Gaidar? Chubais? Anyone anyone?
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 9 July 2013 22: 58 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Hon
                      Elzin answered? Gorbachev? Gaidar? Chubais? Anyone anyone?

                      Elzin! Eltsin answered - I saw it myself !!! laughing crying
                  2. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 9 July 2013 22: 55 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Den 11
                    Believe me, my friend, everyone will answer according to their own affairs! You can believe, you can not believe --- IT WILL BE!

                    I do not want to believe - I want SEE - HERE AND NOW
                  3. Airman
                    Airman 10 July 2013 11: 33 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Den 11
                    Believe me, my friend, everyone will answer according to their own affairs! You can believe, you can not believe --- IT WILL BE!

                    In the next world. They read the Bible.
                2. ziqzaq
                  ziqzaq 9 July 2013 22: 14 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Tell me - in whose favor will the comparison be if we compare what Stalin did for the period from the 22nd to the 35th year and Putin did for the period from the year 2000 to 2013?

                  Of course, I would like more progressive reforms, and especially in the education and support of small business, but also to tear my hair ......
                  The next generation will make a historical assessment of V.V.P. In any case, the people, today, do not have the idea that takes over the masses and there is no alternative leader, respectively, we have what we have ....
                  1. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 9 July 2013 22: 43 New
                    +5
                    Quote: ziqzaq
                    The next generation will make a historical assessment of V.V.P.

                    You are wrong. They will evaluate in our presence.
                    1. ziqzaq
                      ziqzaq 9 July 2013 22: 57 New
                      +2
                      Quote: baltika-18
                      You are wrong. They will evaluate in our presence.

                      I doubt it ......
                  2. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 9 July 2013 23: 07 New
                    +3
                    Quote: ziqzaq
                    Of course, I would like more progressive reforms, and especially in the education and support of small business, but also to tear my hair ...
                    Yes, come on — the reforms in our country are in bulk, already sick of the reforms — not a single people who have succeeded in understanding.

                    The next generation will make a historical assessment of V.V.P.
                    And I do not give a historical assessment, but an assessment of today's activity and its compliance with the Basic Law.

                    In any case, the people, today, do not have the idea that takes over the masses.
                    Justice, the country's withdrawal to a leading position in world rankings, a high standard of living.

                    no alternative leader
                    I can’t stick it in somehow - why is Vova better for example Genes - can you explain?
                    1. ziqzaq
                      ziqzaq 9 July 2013 23: 59 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Yes, come on — the reforms in our country are in bulk, already sick of the reforms — not a single people who have succeeded in understanding.

                      This is a sham, not a reform ....
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      I do not give a historical assessment, but an assessment of today's activities and their compliance with the Basic Law.

                      Your opinion is subjective by definition, like mine. When in place of emotions (albeit justified) comes, as the classics:
                      A conscious sense of necessity, then what will happen is that you and I ....
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Justice, the country's withdrawal to a leading position in world rankings, a high standard of living.

                      This is a consequence, the reason is a “conscious sense of necessity" ...
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      I can’t stick it in somehow - why is Vova better for example Genes - can you explain?

                      Who is Gena? Hope not a crocodile?
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 10 July 2013 01: 20 New
                        +3
                        Quote: ziqzaq
                        This is a sham, not a reform ....
                        How tolerant. I would call it a betrayal of the interests of the people (alas, I can’t betray the Motherland - it does not seem like Vova & ko considered Russia to be the Motherland).

                        Your opinion is subjective by definition, like mine. When in place of emotions (albeit justified) comes, as the classics:
                        A conscious sense of necessity, then what will happen is that you and I ....
                        Any opinion is subjective, only facts are objective, and they talk about the upcoming copper basin for the country.

                        As for the classics, freedom is a conscious necessity. It is interesting why you suddenly remembered freedom.

                        This is a consequence, the reason is a “conscious sense of necessity" ...
                        Do not make a feint with your ears - it was an idea. There is an idea; I “voiced” one of its facets.

                        Who is Gena? Hope not a crocodile?
                        In vain hope, he himself is the crocodile of Gene Zyuganov. I count on an explanation - why it is worse than a Siberian Crane.
                      2. ziqzaq
                        ziqzaq 10 July 2013 01: 56 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        How tolerant. I would call it a betrayal of the interests of the people (alas, I can’t betray the Motherland - it does not seem like Vova & ko considered Russia to be the Motherland).

                        This is not tolerant. Accuse Putin of treason - you have distorted, and much ...
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Any opinion is subjective, only facts are objective, and they talk about the upcoming copper basin for the country.

                        As for the classics, freedom is a conscious necessity. It is interesting why you suddenly remembered freedom.

                        The copper basin was much closer at the start of Putin's presidency. Compared with humpback and fuck, he has merits for the country and to deny them is at least silly ...
                        As far as I remember, it was the people’s desire for abstract freedom that was used by a bunch of hungry riches of the HVJU, so that freedom should be conscious, at least at the level of: From what is free?
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Do not make a feint with your ears - it was an idea. There is an idea; I “voiced” one of its facets.

                        You indicated only your dissatisfaction ....
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        In vain hope, he himself is the crocodile of Gene Zyuganov. I count on an explanation - why it is worse than a Siberian Crane.

                        Zyuganov is not interesting to me; I don’t intend to start a polemic around this subject ....

                        And yet, compare Putin with the traitor - is it you got excited, and then what kind of copper basin? The army is rearming, but at first slowly, production will be restored - it will be faster. Or, again, pro.s.r.p.a.l. and polymers?
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 10 July 2013 02: 26 New
                        +2
                        Quote: ziqzaq
                        This is not tolerant. Accuse Putin of treason - you have distorted, and much ...
                        Can you name at least one successful reform?

                        The copper basin was much closer at the start of Putin's presidency. Compared with humpback and fuck, he has merits for the country and to deny them is at least silly ...
                        What kind of merit?

                        As far as I remember, it was the people’s desire for abstract freedom that was used by a bunch of hungry riches of the present
                        Rather, the desire to be able to influence the goal-setting, but this possibility was not, and still is not.

                        so that freedom must be conscious, at least at the level of: From what is free?
                        Why are you jumping from the topic, replacing it with another? Did we talk about freedom?
                        No - we talked about evaluating the activities of the guarantor.

                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        You indicated only your dissatisfaction ....
                        No - I showed that your statement about the absence of an idea is false, after which you again tried to merge the topic.

                        I’m not interested in Zyuganov; I don’t intend to start a polemic around this subject ...
                        In this case, your interest does not matter: You have unequivocally stated that there is no leader alternative to Putin. So tell us why Comrade Zu cannot be an alternative to Mr. Pu.

                        And yet, compare Putin with the traitor - is it you got excited, and then what kind of copper basin? The army is rearming, but at first slowly, production will be restored - it will be faster. Or, again, pro.s.r.p.a.l. and polymers?
                        Tell me, what’s the name of the person whose intent or negligence has been dropping an average of 10 rubles each month from the wallet of a million people for say 1000 years, and what needs to be done with such a person?
            2. sashka
              sashka 9 July 2013 22: 36 New
              +2
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Tell me - in whose favor will the comparison

              This is how one should try to break everything down and turn it into a der-mo. 20 years of tireless work in galleys.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 9 July 2013 23: 12 New
                -2
                Quote: Sasha
                This is how one should try to break everything down and turn it into a der-mo. 20 years of tireless work in galleys.

                In general, it’s not 20, but 14 (before that Leningrad was bombing), but yes - it’s hard to call it otherwise than the purposeful dismantling of industry (at least industry).
            3. Don
              Don 10 July 2013 15: 42 New
              -1
              The picture is designed for downs and illiterate people. And why was it placed?
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 10 July 2013 21: 36 New
                0
                Quote: Don
                The picture is designed for downs and illiterate people.

                "Several" unfounded - don't you find?
                1. Don
                  Don 11 July 2013 12: 20 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  "Several" unfounded - don't you find?

                  Well, why unfounded? I will give an example of one of the points. Under Stalin, we did not have aircraft manufacturing; now it is; under Putin, we had aircraft manufacturing now it is gone. Do you think this is true? This picture is designed for uneducated and few people reading. In the Russian Empire there was aircraft manufacturing, for that time it was quite developed, the same Sikorsky, and the first bomber Ilya Muromets. Stalin began to develop aircraft construction from scratch. As for Putin, this is generally nonsense. In the Russian Federation, not aircraft? And who recently participated in Le Bourget? And then what is NAPO, KnAPO, etc.? And who sells 4+ generation aircraft around the world? And who developed the 5th generation airplane? Is this what you think is no aircraft industry? This is nonsense. The same can be said about other points.
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 11 July 2013 21: 30 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Don

                    Under Putin, something new, domestic, put on stream? No, the Soviet backlog is being exploited.

                    What about the civil aviation industry? Soviet groundwork in small aircraft, domestic aircraft construction in a deep zone.
          2. Don
            Don 10 July 2013 15: 39 New
            -3
            Quote: ziqzaq
            and he cleaned all the feces from the country,

            Yeah. And for one and tens of thousands of innocent people, but for one of their competitors.
        2. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 9 July 2013 22: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Yarosvet
          It was only in the sick imagination of his followers - Fedorov, Starikov, Prokhanov, Kurginyan and the like - that the idea that the State Department slipped Medvedev and other shobla Vove away while he was sleeping and was powerless could be numbed.


          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 9 July 2013 23: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: FATEMOGAN

            And what does this mean? You would have increased the picture or not - nifiga is not visible.
            1. FATEMOGAN
              FATEMOGAN 9 July 2013 23: 47 New
              -2
              Quote: Yarosvet
              And what does this mean?

              And that means that only one thing, while obscuring Starikov, you obviously did not bother to read him, since you did not recognize not one of his books.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 10 July 2013 01: 25 New
                0
                Quote: FATEMOGAN
                And that means that only one thing, while obscuring Starikov, you obviously did not bother to read him, since you did not recognize not one of his books.

                Of course I didn’t read it - I had enough articles, videos and regulations (for example, the Constitution).
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  • kris
    kris 9 July 2013 11: 28 New
    19
    What to expect!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 9 July 2013 21: 56 New
      -15
      PNH-belolentochny Mr. Don! Your campaigns here do not roll!
      1. Hon
        Hon 9 July 2013 22: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: Den 11
        PNH-belolentochny Mr. Don! Your campaigns here do not roll!

        Judging by the pluses, they don’t roll your adobryams
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 9 July 2013 22: 08 New
          -5
          You shouldn’t do it in such a way! We will write that it’s "hot", without thinking
          1. Hon
            Hon 9 July 2013 22: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: Den 11
            You shouldn’t do it in such a way! We will write that it’s "hot", without thinking

            It was we who didn’t think that they voted for PZHIV.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 9 July 2013 22: 27 New
              -3
              I don’t even want to talk to you! Go, lick the heels of your fagot boss!
      2. kris
        kris 9 July 2013 23: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Den 11
        PNH-belolentochny Mr. Don! Your campaigns here do not roll!

        Troll-liberalist Putin got out!
        read what your idol promised us 13 years ago!
        and what did you do?


        http://www.shpl.ru/plakat/index.php?id=1446&sel_id=0
        there are many original leaflets.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 9 July 2013 23: 58 New
          0
          Yes, I support GDP! I’ll try without mats-Yes, I think that at this stage of development of Russia, GDP is the best option! You will understand this a little later. Your Prokhorov is the death of Russia. Everything will eat us up
          1. kris
            kris 10 July 2013 00: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: Den 11
            Your Prokhorov is the death of Russia. Everything, they will devour us.

            keep this Norwegian clown for yourself!
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 10 July 2013 00: 10 New
              -1
              You have glimpses of reason - and it pleases!
        2. Don
          Don 10 July 2013 15: 55 New
          -4
          You yourself would have read this agitation normally, and then the economy.
          1.In the Russian Federation, where are the big delays in salaries? Where? Or are there small salaries in the Russian Federation? The average, in my opinion, 28000 rubles. if you convert 7000 UAH to hryvnia In Ukraine, for comparison, 3300 UAH. And just let’s without fairy tales about different prices, as if I were not in the Russian Federation.
          2. And who's stopping you from getting a good education? Probably personally Putin. If you want to study, no one bothers you.
          3.Pension. Still small, but growing.
          4.And tell me the state that got rid of corruption and banditry.
          5.And in the Russian Federation a weak army? What is this stupid opinion based on?
          6. Well, in 12 years you won’t immediately become a great one, but the opinion of the Russian Federation is already taken into account on the world stage. Events in Syria confirm this.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 10 July 2013 21: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Don
            Or are there small salaries in the Russian Federation? The average, in my opinion, 28000 rubles.
            The national average of 27 or 28 - it doesn’t matter, something else is important: didn’t you try to compare the minimum wage as a percentage of GDP per capita by country?

            And who is stopping you from getting a good education? Probably personally Putin.
            Given that the Federal Law on all kinds of reforms is signed by the president, yes, Putin.

            Pension. Still small, but growing.
            It is not the face value that is indicative, but the purchasing power and the percentage of GDP per capita in comparison with other countries.

            And tell me the state that got rid of corruption and banditry.
            Completely got rid - does not exist, BUT - call me a state in which the corruption market is equal to the budget of the state itself.

            Is there a weak army in Russia? What is this stupid opinion based on?
            Is there a comparative and reliable statistics of equipment with weapons? Not? It is difficult to judge then, but on 08.08.08 a number of problems were identified, and it is not known whether these problems have been resolved or not.

            Well, in 12 years you won’t immediately become a great one, but the opinion of the Russian Federation is already considered on the world stage. Events in Syria confirm this.
            Syria itself is stronger than Libya itself, so the matter is still muddy - do not rush to conclusions.
            1. Don
              Don 11 July 2013 12: 51 New
              -2
              Quote: Yarosvet
              The national average of 27 or 28 - it doesn’t matter, something else is important: didn’t you try to compare the minimum wage as a percentage of GDP per capita by country?

              I’m talking about specific figures that concern you and me, and you are talking about GDP per capita. Well, let's talk about GDP. GDP per capita is not an indicator of the standard of living of the population! Take a look. In small Brunei with a population of 300 thousand people, but oil-rich GDP per capita will certainly be much higher than in neighboring Indonesia where there is a little more oil and a population of 150 million people.
              Quote: Yarosvet
              If you consider that the Federal Law on all kinds of reforms is signed by the president, then yes, Putin

              What is F3? I’m telling you something completely different. Who's stopping you from studying well at school? No one. Learn, there are books, the Internet is. No Fursenko and the rest can interfere. Who is stopping you from studying at the institute? Have the knowledge hand over, no pay. But is Putin really to blame for this, for example, that you didn’t want to take a book and read it, but decided to get drunk at the club and then pay for the exam.
              Quote: Yarosvet
              It is not the face value that is indicative, but the purchasing power and the percentage of GDP per capita in comparison with other countries.

              So compare retirement purchasing power now and 12 years ago.
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Completely got rid - does not exist, BUT - call me a state in which the corruption market is equal to the budget of the state itself.

              Coined terms again. What kind of corruption market? And where did you get such data? And how is this even calculated? And what is being counted? How much money went into bribes?
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Is there a comparative and reliable statistics of equipment with weapons? Not? It is difficult to judge then, but on 08.08.08 a number of problems were identified, and it is not known whether these problems have been resolved or not.

              There are statistics. How reliable it is, it’s hard to say, just as it can’t be said about the statistics of the US or PRC armies. No one will ever tell exact data. But this does not mean that it is necessary to say that the army is in full ..... This is what statistics should be guided by, because all world experts, analysts and military are guided by it. We ourselves can draw conclusions. Of course we can’t get around every hangar, but look. How much information comes with photos of the new Su-34, Su-35S, nuclear submarines, SSBNs and many other equipment that has entered service. About 08.08.08. Yes, there were minor problems. In particular, communications, intelligence, and most importantly underestimation of the enemy. USC South then immediately rearmament with new means of communication, and now other USCs rearm. We bought UAVs, we are developing our own. For comparison, compare the 5-day Vine of the Russian Federation and the Second Lebanese. And you say a weak army. Is this a weak army of exercises all the time?
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Syria itself is stronger than Libya itself, so the matter is still muddy - do not rush to conclusions.

              The point is not the strength of the Syrian army, but the influence of the Russian Federation. If it were not for the political and military assistance of the Russian Federation, the PRC and Iran would have destroyed it long ago.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 11 July 2013 16: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Don
                I’m talking about specific figures that concern us
                And I'm talking about breeding cacti?

                In small Brunei with a population of 300 thousand people, but oil-rich GDP per capita will certainly be much higher than in neighboring Indonesia where there is a little more oil and a population of 150 million people.
                You know - lately I have the feeling that I am unknowingly writing in Chinese ...

                Look again at the quote I highlighted - see what you wrote? That is why it is necessary to compare not in nominal values, but in percentage terms - this comparison gives "specific figures that concern you and me."
                So in the liberal non-social US minimum wage = 33% of GDP per capita. In socially-oriented France, Germany, Canada - 38%. And in the "SOCIAL" (according to the Constitution) state of the Russian Federation - 12%.

                I’m telling you something completely different. Who's stopping you from studying well at school?
                But do not talk about something else - what is the quality of education, the quality of knowledge?
                According to the reform of education and the exam, even in high school only the lazy did not go.
                Do you need to prove that such reforms lead to a decrease in the quality of teaching staff and student knowledge?

                So compare retirement purchasing power now and 12 years ago.
                So I compare, and in this respect there is real positive dynamics, but again - in countries that are called "developed" the average pension is 35-40% of GDP per capita, and in the SOCIAL RF - 25%.

                Coined terms again. What kind of corruption market? And where did you get such data? And how is this even calculated? And what is being counted? How much money went into bribes?
                http://www.mediasar.ru/node/59974 - These figures were voiced by Medvedev and Putin.

                How much information comes with photos of the new Su-34, Su-35S, nuclear submarines, SSBNs and many other equipment that has entered service.
                And where is the information about the equipment being written off, about the number of new equipment already in the army?
                There are guarantees that by a certain date the army will be rearmament by 70% due to the increased receipt of new equipment, and not due to the write-off of the old?

                About 08.08.08. Yes, there were minor problems.
                Small? Equipment under fire without active armor - is it small? 10 hours can not find the Minister of Defense - is it small? Are the orders to send troops into enemy territory bypassing paragraph d) of part 1 of article 102 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation - are these small?

                The point is not the strength of the Syrian army, but the influence of the Russian Federation. If it were not for the political and military assistance of the Russian Federation, the PRC and Iran would have destroyed it long ago.
                Exactly - China and Iran.
          2. sergeschern
            sergeschern 14 July 2013 23: 47 New
            +1

            "3.Pension. Is still rather small, but growing." In November last year, pensions were added to me - as much as 500 rubles, and a couple of days later a receipt came, so there they added 700 rubles for cold water alone. Well, very noticeable growth!
  • T-100
    T-100 9 July 2013 12: 07 New
    -3
    New plans for the sale of state property

    Where is Putin looking ??? Either he is already fucking, or is he planning something .....
    1. Hon
      Hon 9 July 2013 12: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: T-100
      Where is Putin looking ??? Either he is already fucking, or is he planning something .....

      Thought not sour to warm a pocket
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 9 July 2013 14: 34 New
    +4
    There are many supporters of the sweet couple - haven't you understood something? Or is it your job ...
  • Andrey Skokovsky
    Andrey Skokovsky 9 July 2013 14: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Garrin
    Democratic gifts are prepared for themselves with GDP with DAM. Between them, by the way, a cat ran just because of RusHYDRO.


    by God it would be time for her to learn to distinguish between the two camps in our power, and not to interfere with everything in a heap.

    liberals can declare anything, but I hope all the same it won’t work, the red-haired Rosnano decided to privatize, and why?
    today it’s customary to say so far that stock prices are not the same and we’ll kind of wait and other dregs for their attempts to break up the country.
    this composition of the government would have gone faster ...
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 9 July 2013 15: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
      it’s time to already learn to distinguish between the two camps in our power,

      To paraphrase a little.
      Our power to our camps is all bunch
      1. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 9 July 2013 15: 36 New
        -2
        Quote: baltika-18
        Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
        it’s time to already learn to distinguish between the two camps in our power,

        To paraphrase a little.
        Our power to our camps is all bunch


        I am well aware of your desire to unleash a revolution and civil war in Russia

        only for me these two words mean the death of millions of people and the final destruction of Russia as a country, as well as the destruction of hope for the restoration of a single state
        1. Hon
          Hon 9 July 2013 15: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
          the destruction of Russia as a country, as well as the destruction of hope for the restoration of a single state

          Your beloved Putin is doing this right now.
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 9 July 2013 16: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
          only for me these two words mean the death of millions of people and the final destruction of Russia as a country, as well as the destruction of hope for the restoration of a single state


          How many people, over the past 10 years, have mortality exceeded the birth rate of the state-forming people?
          1. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky 10 July 2013 13: 53 New
            -1
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
            only for me these two words mean the death of millions of people and the final destruction of Russia as a country, as well as the destruction of hope for the restoration of a single state


            How many people, over the past 10 years, have mortality exceeded the birth rate of the state-forming people?

            in general, it was in the 2000x that the birth rate went up, and not as perfect as we would like, but the dynamics are definitely positive and as Russia gains independence, the people increase their sense of confidence in the future, confidence in their own country, the birth rate will certainly creep up.
            although your mood is always pan-consuming .......
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 10 July 2013 20: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
              although your mood is always pan-consuming .......

              Andrei - am I writing in Chinese, or is your mental apparatus malfunctioning from the heat?

              Quote: Yarosvet
              How many people, over the past 10 years, have mortality exceeded the birth rate of the state-forming people? Post from 09.07.2013/16/20 XNUMX:XNUMX


              AT THE STATE EDUCATOR - understand, Andrey? I ask - how many fewer Russians?

              Over the period from 89th to 2002th (13 years), the decrease in RUSSIANS was 3.3%, and for the period from 2002 to 2010 (8 years!) - 4.2%!

              What birth rate are you talking about? What are the positive dynamics? What confidence?

              The number of state-forming people is declining, and this process has a pronounced tendency to accelerate, but do you see a rise in the birth rate? Is your head bored?
        3. baltika-18
          baltika-18 9 July 2013 16: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
          I am well aware of your desire to unleash a revolution and civil war in Russia

          Well.....
          You overdid it. Well, what can you say for a red word?
          We will try to resolve the issue radically, as is customary in the modern world.
          A series of attacks with precision weapons, in the army it is so called that the bulk of the population would not suffer.
          We live in the 21st century.
          Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
          also the destruction of hope for the restoration of a single state

          What will unite with us, there are enough thieves.
          Here's the proverb "horseradish to hell to change, only time to lose."
    2. Hon
      Hon 9 July 2013 15: 42 New
      +6
      And what does the redhead do in Rosnano? Effective manager huh?
    3. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 9 July 2013 21: 00 New
      -3
      Quote: Andrey Skokovsky
      by God it would be time for her to learn to distinguish between the two camps in our power, and not to interfere with everything in a heap.

      So, to understand, you need to think, at least try what , Of course, it’s easier for hamsters to break their paws and howl ....., the most interesting is the stronger Russia, the more howling. Ethnic nagging becomes a good sign bully
      1. Hon
        Hon 9 July 2013 22: 10 New
        -8
        Quote: FATEMOGAN
        Of course it’s easier for hamsters to break their paws and howl ....., the most interesting is the stronger Russia, the more howling. Ethnic nagging becomes a good sign

        Here is another whiner, a traitor, an agent of the State Department, a white-collar, the exact opposite of the heroes from the popular front
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 9 July 2013 22: 13 New
          +5
          Skotina, you are not standing Kvachkova and soles!
          1. Hon
            Hon 9 July 2013 22: 29 New
            +1
            Are you standing? You are licking Putin’s heels, which means Chubais, because Chubais is on horseback under Putin, and Kvachkov got 13 years. By the way, Kvachkov has repeatedly spoken out about Putin. Go the jackal to the popular front, maybe you will become a deputy.
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 9 July 2013 22: 19 New
          -1
          Guys, remember the nickname Hon --- he bought himself-Prokhorovets!
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 9 July 2013 15: 03 New
    13
    FREEDOM TO COLONEL KVACHKOV !!!

    This slogan is something I do not particularly observe. Who made such statements? There is no one ...

  • honest jew
    honest jew 9 July 2013 19: 27 New
    +5
    New plans for the sale of state property
  • nycsson
    nycsson 9 July 2013 23: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Garrin
    Democratic gifts are prepared for themselves with GDP with DAM. Between them, by the way, a cat ran just because of RusHYDRO.

    Well done! They work well! am For the most part!
  • Theophanes
    Theophanes 10 July 2013 15: 30 New
    +1
    I do not believe a single word of the current ministers! Privatization will ruin what remains of industry. We must forget about the development of the army, normal prices in stores, normalization in the housing and communal services if the privatization passes. Liberals - the Gestapo went on an open attack !!! The end to the state and to us Russians. They will sell how they sold Libya. After the reform and sale of energy by Chubais, prices rise for electricity, like mushrooms after the rain! It will also continue to be with all privatized enterprises. And then you will not see the army nor any rearmament. Take us naked!
    1. Don
      Don 10 July 2013 16: 57 New
      -4
      Feofan please me, tell me that you are 15 years old. Because if you are not 15 years old, then I just wonder who you work and what kind of education you have.
      Quote: Theophanes
      Privatization will ruin what remains of industry

      1. Only a small part of industry will be privatized.
      2. Is this privatized one not working? Tell me plants for example Severstal, Mechel, Russian aluminum that do not work. Not only work, but also develop.
      Quote: Theophanes
      We must forget about the development of the army

      Oh my god you're mine. Yes, what kind of macro does RosHYDRO or VTB relate to the army?
      Quote: Theophanes
      , normal prices in stores, normalization in housing and communal services if privatization passes.

      Again, how are housing and food prices related to privatization?
      Quote: Theophanes
      The end to the state and to us Russians.

      Oh, how many years have we been listening to these tales. Now we’ll do it and it’s all over. Passing time and everything turns out to be normal. Begin to grind rubbish again. Now they will carry out this reform and then for sure is the end. Time passes, everything is fine. How many fairy tales listened and read about the WTO. Stupid and illiterate people, instead of looking at the pros and cons, wrote. That in a month Russia will end, and that foreigners will take everything away, that everyone will become slaves. And where are these idiotic predictions?
      Quote: Theophanes
      .Sell as they sold Libya.

      No words at all. Already tired of geopolitics unfinished to explain. READ OUT. Libya has never been an ally of the Russian Federation. From which x .. did you even think that she was an ally?
      Quote: Theophanes
      After the reform and sale of energy by Chubais, prices are rising for electricity, like mushrooms after the rain! It will continue to be the same with all privatized enterprises.

      What a horror Alrosa is being privatized. All you can’t buy diamonds for a penny.
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 12 July 2013 06: 37 New
        +3
        What is he talking about nifig a small part I listened to DAM said the big one there and the pipelines and banks that everyone knows, What is important high-yield and no need to darken, that ROSNEFT unprofitable VTB and Sberbank, too, he said a long time ago there were a lot of them, he is quiet from memory but they were called by many and all the well-known, It’s just now that they began to talk that there is no money, and then they didn’t talk about it boldly people dull
  • psdf
    psdf 10 July 2013 16: 32 New
    +3
    In general, why suddenly privatize profitable enterprises. What for?
    Such questions should probably be prohibited at all from raising officials at any level. In an extreme case, through a referendum. Someone wanted the people (to squeeze out of state property) - be nice, collect the referendum at your own expense.
    1. Don
      Don 10 July 2013 17: 07 New
      -3
      Quote: psdf
      In general, why suddenly privatize profitable enterprises. What for?

      Then, in order to increase profits, it can be $ 1 million, or maybe $ 1 billion. Then, to attract money to the budget. Then, to attract investment in the companies sold.
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 12 July 2013 06: 43 New
      +2
      E carefully, you heard half of the sale will be invested in these sold enterprises on the Council of Ministers clearly interpreted that they become even more expensive
  • Quiet
    Quiet 11 July 2013 18: 58 New
    0
    Does Chubais really look like him ???
  • Rus.tiger
    Rus.tiger 9 July 2013 07: 30 New
    10
    I don’t know about you, but I immediately spat on the monitor. He hit the nanotole exactly in the eye.
    In general, they say that thought is material. Maybe the statements of members of the forum below will change something, and this one. . . still catch up with Yeltsinigu, dog, Gaidar, Berezovsky on the way to the "hellish frying pan"?
    1. Xnumx kopeek
      Xnumx kopeek 9 July 2013 08: 00 New
      +7
      I, too, just didn’t spit, and the thought was to become a voodoo sorcerer - But don’t stick the needles in the monitor, you have to sculpt a mug of etu from plasticine. On the contrary, it’s necessary.
      1. Canep
        Canep 9 July 2013 08: 11 New
        15
        I agree. When I see this red face I don’t expect anything good. When he will already be sent to Magadan to rest from the labors and worries about the welfare of Russia.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 9 July 2013 08: 22 New
          23
          Quote: Canep
          When he will already be sent to Magadan to rest from the labors and worries about the welfare of Russia.

          Sergey, hi ! in my opinion this is the best option:
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            1. Roll
              Roll 9 July 2013 09: 13 New
              -3
              fellow Chubais is one of the smartest and most sensible top managers, of course, many people don’t understand his merits due to the limited mentality, but this is the fate of all the crowded people in Russia, Chubais, Stolypin, Alexander 2,3 and a lot of them. As for state property, of course it’s necessary to sell and the sooner the better. And the sale itself must be obtained And Chubais, no one can create it better, there are few top managers of his level so far.
              1. omsbon
                omsbon 9 July 2013 09: 32 New
                15
                Quote: Rolm
                Chubais is one of the most intelligent and sensible top managers, of course, many of the people, due to the limited mentality of his merits, do not understand

                When you write, is it not clear to joke or rave? Maybe someone offended?
                1. VkadimirEfimov1942
                  VkadimirEfimov1942 9 July 2013 15: 49 New
                  +1
                  Good comment!
          2. Gari
            Gari 9 July 2013 09: 30 New
            17
            Quote: Tersky
            Sergei, ! in my opinion this is the best option:

            And so is not bad
        2. Airman
          Airman 9 July 2013 08: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: Canep
          I agree. When I see this red face I don’t expect anything good. When he will already be sent to Magadan to rest from the labors and worries about the welfare of Russia.


          I agree, the privatization is the idea of ​​mattresses, implemented through the redhead, but not now he rules the ball. GDP and DAM are now tearing apart what else can be grabbed, they think primarily about themselves and their immediate environment. The list of invaders of these enterprises will never be published, only a list of dummies.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 9 July 2013 16: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: Povshnik
            I agree, the privatization is the idea of ​​mattresses, implemented through the red

            Unlikely. Rather, this idea was born in the depths of the nomenclature (for this purpose the Union was deliberately destroyed, for that they refused the socialist system) - they simply concluded an agreement with mattresses on mutually beneficial conditions. hi
    2. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 9 July 2013 08: 38 New
      +9
      Theater of the absurd - rusty roofing again in the role of a lightning rod.

      Recently, the Government (!!!) of Russia announced plans - and a photo of the nano-giant of thought. Oh, really ... sad.
      One thing pleases - we have a PRESENT AND DENT ATLISH MUSIC. Everyone respects him.
      1. Andrey Skokovsky
        Andrey Skokovsky 9 July 2013 14: 45 New
        -4
        Quote: abyrvalg
        Theater of the absurd - rusty roofing again in the role of a lightning rod.

        Recently, the Government (!!!) of Russia announced plans - and a photo of the nano-giant of thought. Oh, really ... sad.
        One thing pleases - we have a PRESENT AND DENT ATLISH MUSIC. Everyone respects him.


        I don’t agree, such a delicate trolling even makes me happy, I wonder what a bright head guessed a redhead to pin up plans! after this you can not read these pieces of paper, the opinion is already formed !!!
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 9 July 2013 09: 29 New
      12
      Quote: Rus.Tiger
      I don’t know about you, but I immediately spat on the monitor. He hit the nanotole exactly in the eye.

      Red, red ....
      By and large, he is on the sidelines in this performance. He is the watcher and the watcher.
      The first roles are played by Ulyukaev and Siluanov. They are Putin's proteges. But who are they?
      Ulyukaev was the deputy of Gaidar and Kudrin. Siluanov was the deputy of Kudrin. So Putin has a plan, he picked up the guys in advance.
      But Vova is unlikely to be able to maintain a good mine with a bad game. There you can add Roskosmos, Rosatom, Russian Technologies, Rosavt to the list.
      odor ". All of them are also preparing for privatization. Rosatom is in full swing with the transfer of enterprises, that is, if Rostelecom was pumped up with money, then Rosatom was pumped up with fixed assets.
      They are all crooks ...... and all this is sad.
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 9 July 2013 10: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: baltika-18
        They are Putin's henchmen

        Here above, wrote about the same. Surname-whether, the picture-whether “redhead” is thrown in, and everyone momentarily switches to “as if I were him ...” Already tired of writing that these are “guys from our yard”, all Putin’s accomplices.
        Here on the site, not a few leaders. Well, imagine such deputies and workers with similar sentences: "Either this is a kind of economic masochism, bordering on open unprofessionalism, or something quite fair, forgive generously, wrecking ..."- quote from the article.
        Long existed?
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 9 July 2013 10: 43 New
          25
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          all accomplices are Putin’s aides.

          Hands off the president! He is not guilty! That boyars are all vile. Misled, deceived ... Do you think it is easy for him surrounded by adversaries to rule? But our sun-faced one is all about Russia and cares, but about ordinary people. It works like a crab in a gale .., ugh you, like a bee!
          And is it worth the little things? Look, how many other advantages he has: he is built, fit ... And he leads the birds to the south with the formation, and he lifts Greek amphoras from the bottom. And on a plane or a submarine, it’s not a problem at all! And a liberalist, excuse me, churkolyub, oh, again not that ... In general, smart girl! Where are you unworthy, such a guy you find a replacement?
          1. GUSAR
            GUSAR 9 July 2013 20: 41 New
            0
            I kiss your thoughts !!!
      2. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 9 July 2013 10: 38 New
        +8
        Quote: baltika-18
        Red, red ....

        ... redhead, come on, come on and laugh.
        - red, red, red - they laugh, kids laugh

        Why discuss this clowning at all? Good Pu, his Me, bad chubz. The fact that in Russia there is a large-scale pre-sale preparation of everything and everything is also visible to the blind. That the Ulyukaev companions, the Gaidar monetarist, have already heard about this deaf.
        Quote: baltika-18
        But Vova is unlikely to be able to keep a good face with a bad game.
        He is no longer trying to save anything. His point of no return is long gone.Fortov’s proposals to give him a chance to carry out the reform of the scientific system that was worked out in the expert community of scientists, Putin generally left unanswered
        No chances. Nothing personal is just a business. Do not wait for answers.
  • Owl
    Owl 9 July 2013 07: 33 New
    10
    "But here, you see, the results of privatization are not being reviewed. Oh, and what a strong a priori indulgence for those who want to have a hand in state (national) property!" - an indicator of the president’s independence, except for the phrase that it’s not the 37th year, Vovan either “doesn’t” or “cannot” (more likely) normally fulfill his presidential duties with respect to the internal thief, traitor and enemy, which has bred and matured for 22 a toothless year, without spineless and “democracy” ruled from across the ocean.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 9 July 2013 07: 45 New
      12
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      "But here, you see, the results of privatization are not being reviewed. Oh, and what a strong a priori indulgence for those who want to put their hands on state (national) property!" - presidential independence indicator

      Philip, hi ! Well, what are you really right, there is even a table of "independence" with a resolution laughing ;
    2. anip
      anip 9 July 2013 08: 51 New
      21
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      except for the phrase that it's not the 37th year, Vova

      By the way, this is a significant phrase. After all, in this phrase GDP actually recognized that in 1937:
      1. Stalin for work dol (e) bashly such "privatizers",
      2. Stalin hollowed, in the vast majority, precisely thieves, and not all in a row, as the "liberals" now say.
      1. Joker
        Joker 9 July 2013 09: 30 New
        15
        AU people, come to your senses, what Chubais, what Medvedev? All this started the Way and all this is done with his permission! If they start selling, I will go to rallies, don't care, I will stand next to the marsh. And so it was left with Gulkin’s nose, and it also sells it, wasn’t it clear in 90 that this grasp was what led to that ?! They destroyed the country completely, privatization of Rosneft and Gazprom will become the crown of everything, and then farewell to Russia, you don’t already belong to the people (it don’t belong to us even now). All the same, everything will fall into place, including Serdyukov’s scam (it means with the filing of PU)
    3. A-50
      A-50 9 July 2013 12: 12 New
      11
      After the first session of "communication with the people", the list of questions asked by Radiant was hanging on the net - to which, for some closed reasons, he preferred not to answer. One of them was remembered: "Vladimir Vladimirovich, how do you formulate the concept treason to the motherland?".
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 9 July 2013 07: 37 New
    +7
    Where is the word privatization, there this red mug crawls out.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 9 July 2013 07: 40 New
    +1
    - how many fingers eh?
    Did not guess.!
    21 ♥ @ ';: "!
  • nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 9 July 2013 07: 41 New
    +3
    How I hate this redhead. It's about time to blame the bunks and the forest. And return all the loot to the state.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 9 July 2013 08: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: nikolas 83
      And to return all the loot to the state.

      sad ... will not return, and a hundred lives of the red beast and his great-great-grandchildren will not be enough.
  • My address
    My address 9 July 2013 07: 44 New
    +5
    Interestingly, what kind of noise will come up with for distraction? Or will they just grind the year, that without this, no way?

    And further. I do not think GDP is thinking only about the people. He is the chairman of the cooperative "Lake". But his tough foreign policy and privatization, which is just a cheap sale abroad, do not come together.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 9 July 2013 16: 41 New
      +6
      Quote: My address
      I wonder what kind of noise accompaniment they’ll come up with for distraction?
      Orange threat, women in the temple, buggers, cry - “we will defend our Egyptian resorts”, a new law on the protection of children (named after the child who died 4 years ago) ... Choose.

      Quote: My address
      And further. I do not consider GDP thinking only about the people.
      In vain, he just thinks about the people and just needs to clarify which one.
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 10 July 2013 01: 23 New
      +1
      Like that?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 10 July 2013 01: 42 New
        +2
        Our answer is to the Beatles group, and the whole song is cool.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 10 July 2013 01: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Den 11
        Like that?


        No - something like this
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 10 July 2013 02: 04 New
          0
          Horror !!! Just p.pets!
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 9 July 2013 07: 45 New
    +3
    Anatoly Chubais again went on a HUNT-stuffing his pockets HE IS A BIG SPECIALIST - for this part.
    It’s especially cool for him to break something up or break something - the horseradish manager.
    1. Rus.tiger
      Rus.tiger 9 July 2013 08: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      It’s especially cool for him to break something up or break it

      That is why it is urgently necessary to appoint him director of NATA, then the head of the Pentagon. And when he manifests himself there, i.e. competently privatize, move him to the kings of the USAkali.
  • koksalek
    koksalek 9 July 2013 07: 54 New
    +6
    Russian classics have long correctly noticed, for example, what is happening in Russia - a feast during the plague, or when boyars fight at the lackeys, foreheads crack ... With any outcome of this pocket-picking, some wallets get fat, but ours ...
  • waisson
    waisson 9 July 2013 07: 57 New
    +2
    again, the redhead does not expect good from him, he will not advise
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 9 July 2013 08: 00 New
    +9
    Comrades hi , and will vouchers be distributed?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 July 2013 09: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Comrades, will vouchers be distributed?

      Do you want two Volga wassat
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 9 July 2013 09: 44 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Do you want two Volga

        laughing "... boy, do you want a Lada ??? So small - but already LIQUID !!!
        - ooh.
        - Do you want money ?? MUCH MONEY!!!
        - Merry fellow, maybe we can take him to our place - to the ship - PIRATE?
        Will be a connoisseur of space routes "
        .

        So space pirates tried to buy a Soviet pioneer. He did not give up.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 9 July 2013 11: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Do you want two Volga

          Quote: abyrvalg
          "... boy, do you want a Zhiguli ???
          No, friends --- only AZLK fellow
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 9 July 2013 16: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: abyrvalg
          So space pirates tried to buy a Soviet pioneer. He did not give up.
          1. strange and pretty meaningless
            strange and pretty meaningless 10 July 2013 06: 41 New
            +3
            Final Captain Evidence.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 10 July 2013 08: 13 New
              +5
              Quote: abyrvalg
              Final Captain Evidence.


              And for me the simpler the better
              1. strange and pretty meaningless
                strange and pretty meaningless 10 July 2013 10: 21 New
                +2
                So there is no limit to perfection. There is a pearl of the subject itself about the toilet ...
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 10 July 2013 01: 12 New
      0
      Excuse me, did you run out of paper in the toilet? Of course we will distribute!
  • morpogr
    morpogr 9 July 2013 08: 03 New
    +3
    And who will cheat will receive on a red impudent erysipelas.
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 9 July 2013 08: 05 New
    +3
    and the snipers all drank themselves? -and actually, why are the criminals still marching on stage? -
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 9 July 2013 08: 10 New
    +5
    This redhead should sit where it should be for a long time, and he and his agents of the Central Bank continue to make plans for the destruction of Russia.
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 9 July 2013 08: 26 New
      +3
      This redhead should sit where it should be for a long time, and he and his agents of the Central Bank continue to make plans for the destruction of Russia.

      Or maybe - to lie? We, without any privatization, will simply give him a piece of strawberry in 4 cube. m
      1. Airman
        Airman 9 July 2013 08: 45 New
        +6
        Quote: Kahlan Amnell
        This redhead should sit where it should be for a long time, and he and his agents of the Central Bank continue to make plans for the destruction of Russia.

        Or maybe - to lie? We, without any privatization, will simply give him a piece of strawberry in 4 cube. m


        4 cubic meters, it’s a lot, an urn with ashes 0,15x0,15x0,15 and drown in some sort of prison outhouse in the kolyma.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 9 July 2013 08: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: ia-ai00
      This redhead should sit for a long time, g

      Olga, good health! Do not sit, he must lie under a two-meter layer of earth.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 9 July 2013 08: 30 New
        +8
        neighing ... in the morning cheered up)))
      2. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 9 July 2013 09: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: ia-ai00
        This redhead should sit where it should be for a long time, and he and his agents of the Central Bank continue to make plans for the destruction of Russia.

        Quote: Povshnik
        4 cubic meters

        Quote: Tersky
        Do not sit, he must lie under a two-meter layer of earth.

        Here are the evil ones. Ready to break the unfortunate Ashkinase. And the person, among other things, works - people in the know hi
      3. Dimy4
        Dimy4 11 July 2013 16: 04 New
        +1
        After tuberculosis received in the Kolyma.
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 9 July 2013 12: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: ia-ai00
      This redhead should sit for a long time

      The redhead must sit ....
      But the president is not ours, but Putin.
  • nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 9 July 2013 08: 13 New
    +8
    To pretend to be honest people, to hire a killer, since our government does not put criminals in prison.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 July 2013 09: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: nikolas 83
      Pretend to be honest people, hire a killer,

      If we throw off all the people, you can hire a regiment of killers and arrange a safari, who is the first to find wassat
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 9 July 2013 18: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If we throw off all the people, you can hire a regiment of killers and arrange a safari, who is the first to find

        !good! Sasha, great idea yes , while you can also boil well fellow having arranged a TV show for a fee. Success is guaranteed, the rating of the broadcast channel of the show will soar to space heights. laughing laughing !
  • Dimkapvo
    Dimkapvo 9 July 2013 08: 13 New
    +4
    Superfluous already 20 years the sky smokes. Trash.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 9 July 2013 08: 15 New
    +7
    The point is to privatize profitable enterprises ... a Russian private trader has proved incapable of being a business owner, now we get a penny tax, then there will be none at all. Considering the ridiculous amount received for wealth, it is more profitable to put things in order in the banking sector and budget, this will bring many times more.
  • riding
    riding 9 July 2013 08: 25 New
    +5
    The authorities of Chubais do not touch: maybe they are afraid, maybe they respect. He, of course, was the first to carry out privatization in our country and came up with collateral auctions, but, pay attention, it is not he who is conducting the privatization today.
    1. VkadimirEfimov1942
      VkadimirEfimov1942 9 July 2013 15: 56 New
      +1
      Because he has a "hairy arm" across the ocean.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 9 July 2013 08: 27 New
    +9
    Quote: krasin
    But here, you see, the results of privatization are not being reviewed. Oh, and what a strong a priori indulgence it is for those who want to have a hand in state (national) property!

    Privatization is not being revised. This drunk and hedgehogs with him handed out the country to those who were at the trough. Yes, people will never respect the home-grown billionaire thieves. If something is the first to go to the shooting

    I prefer the word nationalization, the nationalization of stolen property during the years of the drunkard’s reign, it is inappropriately to give up property belonging to the people in one hand, and those who offer another robbery of the people must be shot!
  • Muxauk
    Muxauk 9 July 2013 08: 27 New
    +3
    and why again to sell everything? once was not enough? the mood in the morning only spoils, maybe they will change their minds until the end of the year
    1. anip
      anip 9 July 2013 08: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: MuxaHuk
      and why again to sell everything?

      Why is that all again? They will simply sell what they have not yet had time (they could not, forgot, etc.) to sell. Stability.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 July 2013 09: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: MuxaHuk
      and why again to sell everything? once was not enough?

      Russian tradition-twice on the same rake!
  • Lech
    Lech 9 July 2013 08: 32 New
    +4
    The Russian government is carrying out state-owned plans to sell Russia by 5 plus in a timely manner. When the time comes, when they begin to tear off these deadlines, and maybe not fulfill at all ...?
    1. anip
      anip 9 July 2013 08: 43 New
      +5
      Then, when will the government not get a job at the State Department.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 9 July 2013 08: 32 New
    +4
    If this goes on, they will start selling the territory of the country. They will start from the border areas. It remains only to clean them from the indigenous population.
    1. anip
      anip 9 July 2013 08: 44 New
      +3
      So already slowly is free handed out.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 9 July 2013 17: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: pinecone
      If this goes on, they will start selling the territory of the country.
      It remains only to clean them from the indigenous population.

      If it goes? laughing

      This has been happening for a long time - the state-forming people "lose weight" on average by 700000 souls per year, and to whom the land belongs is generally not clear (http://www.chzr.ru/news/komu-prinadlejit-ris/)
  • My address
    My address 9 July 2013 08: 33 New
    +5
    We have a wonderful government headed by DUM!
    The people are against privatization, against the nonsense of the USE, against much. And the authorities do not care. They do not even want to explain their actions normally. Maybe feel free to admit the desire to effectively communicate the rest and dump in London?
    1. anip
      anip 9 July 2013 08: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: My address
      The people against privatization, against the stupidities of the exam, against many things. And the authorities do not care.

      Democracy, Ch.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 9 July 2013 17: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: anip
        Democracy, Ch.

        Yeah - sovereign.
    2. Bronis
      Bronis 9 July 2013 08: 45 New
      13
      DAM? What about the GDP? Oh yes, he doesn’t know ... repeat Boyars are bad, the king is good. Where do they come from - bad boyars ...
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 9 July 2013 17: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: My address
      We have a wonderful government headed by DUM!
      The people against privatization, against the stupidities of the exam, against many things. And the authorities do not care.

      And again, the allocation of plush as the main parasite. laughing

      And who signs federal laws, who (in accordance with part 3 of article 80) determines the policy, who approves the prime minister and the government - also DAM?
  • Bronis
    Bronis 9 July 2013 08: 44 New
    +5
    Noticeable 2 factor. 1. Money is needed (petrodollars aren’t enough for everything, the budget is swelling, but it’s of little use). 2. I would like to earn some money on this. Factors are mutually opposed ....
    Quote: Garrin
    RusHYDRO

    I don’t know about RusHydro and cats. But there is still a project - Rostelecom. In recent years, he was pumped up intensively with money. Made, de facto, the main operator of the so-called "electronic government" and public services in electronic form. Estimates - several hundred billion rubles. The result is a little predictable ... But you won’t be able to ask, P.O., in fact, doesn’t cost anything (just write, and then replicate). And telecommunication services are also problematic to calculate ...
    And now the structure pumped up with money can be completely privatized.
  • Airman
    Airman 9 July 2013 08: 50 New
    +6
    GREAT RUSSIA, and soon there will be nothing to SELL.
    1. Xnumx kopeek
      Xnumx kopeek 9 July 2013 09: 19 New
      -18
      ... and behind it is the mausoleum. Why does Zyuganov not privatize the tenant V.I. Tukhlyak?
      1. Bronis
        Bronis 9 July 2013 17: 08 New
        +2
        If the legal side of the issue:
        1. G.A. Zyuganov does not have the right to permanent residence in the Mausoleum, and there is no social security agreement.
        2. The mausoleum is not a residential building, is not included in the municipal or state housing stock - therefore there is no social rent agreement. wassat wassat wassat
        And "Tukhlyak" is probably a creative pseudonym. but only vi is it zga. Until now, good care for him. wassat
      2. ded10041948
        ded10041948 10 July 2013 01: 27 New
        0
        Would be silent. You see, they’ll count the clever!
  • pensioner
    pensioner 9 July 2013 08: 56 New
    +1

    The bastard has come:
  • klip07
    klip07 9 July 2013 09: 08 New
    +1
    freemasons continue to plunder Russia ..... tired ...
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 9 July 2013 09: 12 New
    +5
    As long as the country is ruled by Chubais, there will be nothing good in the country. And this is for those who stand by the mountain for the power that produces such Chubais and supports
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  • Kpox
    Kpox 9 July 2013 09: 15 New
    -2
    I did not go into the intricacies of the potentially coming privatization, but I am impressed with the option, or rather, the state corporation business model, when the controlling (50% + 1 pc or just 51%) package is “in the hands” of the state, the rest is private business. Because bureaucratic management (in most cases) is no better than a sale. And it turns out that one hand should to monitor another and to pull back if something happens: the state has a long-term strategy, private capital is a short-term tactic.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 9 July 2013 10: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: Kpox
      one hand should keep an eye on the other and pull it back if something happens: the state has a long-term strategy, private capital - a short-term tactic.

      Yes, there will be no two hands! This is one hand! Assets will be given to those who need it. The merger of capital and business has happened a long time ago. 50 + 1 - beautifully only on paper.
      And now that there is the State Corporation. Formally, this is a non-profit organization (and not a joint-stock company, a closed joint-stock company, etc.). Naturally, all assets transferred to her become her property, and not state. This is the difference from public institutions, federal state unitary enterprises and other structures. Accordingly, asset control is almost nonexistent. Well, since NPOs - financial control is not so complicated for them, tea is not OAO. The result is a funnel for pumping money, poorly accountable and not the most intelligible from the organizational and legal side. Then think for yourself ... But in the end, state corporations will privatize ...
      And there will be a desire, read Art. 7 and 7.1 (last start) Federal Law "On Non-Profit Organizations"
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 9 July 2013 10: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: Kpox
      And so it turns out that one hand must keep an eye on the other and pull it back if something happens: the state has a long-term strategy, private capital - a short-term tactic.

      Sorry, but this is not called a business model, but a medical diagnosis. Where, in addition to the psychiatric hospital, have you seen that the patient has one hand beat the other for independent actions? With one head ... And if there are two goals, then at best they are unfortunate Siamese twins, and more often - an unviable freak. Any specialist in the design of automatic control systems will tell you that a workable control system can have only ONE control center. Two or more inevitably lead to resonance and accident. The laws of nature are one, there are no special economic ones. And if you try to tell what is, then this is direct misinformation with the aim of fraud
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 9 July 2013 11: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: Misantrop
        And if there are two goals, then at best they are unfortunate Siamese twins, and more often an unviable freak.

        Quote: Misantrop
        Two or more inevitably lead to resonance and accident.

        She drowned.
        (Putin I)
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 9 July 2013 09: 20 New
    -1
    He will print US dollars and buy our enterprises through dummies, ruin some, re-profile some, business ....
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 9 July 2013 09: 23 New
    +6
    Thieves only thieves, what is so surprising? In the 90s people wiped themselves out and remained silent, so once again you can get into his pocket if you can bear it again, again, and then again and again and again ....
  • evgeni21
    evgeni21 9 July 2013 09: 26 New
    +1
    Well and how much welfare will be replenished at "our" bureaucrats and oligarchs. So all that is gained by excessive labor, everyone has resolved.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 9 July 2013 09: 30 New
      +1
      Steins also have children
      1. Airman
        Airman 10 July 2013 11: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Den 11
        Steins also have children

        Yes, and you need to think about grandchildren.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 9 July 2013 09: 26 New
    +2
    As soon as I see a redhead (or hear a mention of him), the thought immediately arises: the next one is ... catch !!! Here it is unsinkable, and its ideas are not drowned !!!
    Yes, at this stage, the government and the president will sell state assets to raise their image (that is, increase salaries, etc.). But this is a one-time profit !!! It will be devoured at the moment, but the other president and the government will have nothing to puff before the people. It really turns out, they act like this: after us - at least a flood !!!
    The idea of ​​state corporations is not bad, but, obviously, not in Russia. As they stole, they steal and will steal. So far, not only the feeders, but also the helm are Chubais and the like, we will not see a normal economy and a normal state. Much to the chagrin ...
  • stroporez
    stroporez 9 July 2013 09: 27 New
    +6
    Well, who else will talk about "patriotism" Vova ?? !! and about how he loves his homeland !! ?? although it’s exactly what he “loves” in the sense of ..........
  • IRKUT
    IRKUT 9 July 2013 09: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: Canep
    I agree. When I see this red face I don’t expect anything good. When he will already be sent to Magadan to rest from the labors and worries about the welfare of Russia.

    It’s better to buy a ticket for him, after Berezovsky. Maybe we’ll throw off a ticket then.
    1. VkadimirEfimov1942
      VkadimirEfimov1942 9 July 2013 16: 01 New
      +2
      It’s necessary to prepare an ice pick ...
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 10 July 2013 01: 33 New
        +1
        This is not in fashion now! More modern “arguments” are needed (for example, confiscation).
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 9 July 2013 09: 57 New
    +9
    Lord! Comrades! Do I have one feeling of deja vu? Something "chill" ran down my back and the hair on my head stirred. And not only on the head ...
    Who can explain: how, having "plunged" at the first stage and having practically lost control over a huge number of state-level enterprises, again tread on a similar one? In my opinion, I’m right, we have gathered members of the Government for all the fools of Russia ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 July 2013 10: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      ! Do I have one feeling of deja vu? Something "chill" ran down my back and the hair on my head stirred. And not only on goals

      Well, who has hair and a chill on the back, and who has a foretaste of counting the profits of the future derban hi
      Hello Sasha!
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 9 July 2013 10: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hello Sasha!

        Hello, namesake! They had this anticipation and did not pass. They just waited time.
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 10 July 2013 01: 34 New
      +1
      They also sent them from foreign countries.
  • sashka
    sashka 9 July 2013 09: 58 New
    +6
    A budget deficit at such prices is oil, it’s nonsense .. Moreover, they’ve "forgotten" about the disabled and orphaned houses. Now Serdyukov is just a boy with a dirty booty. The "monsters" of the economy are entering the arena .. They forgot something about Yavlinsky .. Ay yai yai .. WE WILL SELL EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING ..
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 July 2013 10: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Sasha
      A budget deficit at such oil prices is nonsense

      The "servants of the people" are growing appetites, that's all hi
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 9 July 2013 10: 08 New
      -3
      Wow, Sasha! Where did you party ticket?
  • Indigo
    Indigo 9 July 2013 10: 01 New
    13
    Quote: krasin
    .If something is the first to go to the shooting

    Well, yes, how much Kvachkov was given - 13 years for what? that I didn’t shoot-blew up the red nits? - no - for preparing a coup d'état and statements about the Jewish mafia, which continues to tackle insolent remnants.
    As long as we are mattresses and contemplators of what is happening and tear off the ass from the computer - a great feat, so it will be ....
  • Sea snake
    Sea snake 9 July 2013 10: 04 New
    0
    Quote: article author
    The fact is that the rest of the funds, it turns out, the Government plans to use for the modernization of these same companies, as well as for activities connected with the increase of their authorized capital.

    Such an interesting rollback turns out ... in the opposite direction.
  • DPN
    DPN 9 July 2013 10: 09 New
    +4
    All this is done so that there is no return to SOCIALISM, today people are looking at each other like animals. Having sold all the state property, we can safely say the time of the gentlemen and the deadlines from the poem –– the soldier is running, the sailor is running, shooting on the go, the worker is pulling this machine gun an hour he will enter the battle, a banner hangs down with the gentlemen of the landowners, down so in October the dream came true of the workers and peasants. And now the dream of the speculators, Chubais and others like that came true. And the workers and peasants to the dump, because they have no and will not have a LEADER, on this to the dump of history in serfdom.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 9 July 2013 17: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: DPN
      All this is being done so that there would be no return to SOCIALISM, today people already look at each other like animals.

      YES, YES, and YES again!

      The guys have a dream - a return to feudalism, and so around the world.

      1. Snoop
        Snoop 10 July 2013 08: 20 New
        0
        And the eyes are kind, kind and a little tired laughing
  • DPN
    DPN 9 July 2013 10: 14 New
    -1
    If everything is handed over to the bourgeois, why do we need an army for conscription, so that without a worker he would defend the bourgeois?
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 9 July 2013 17: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: DPN
      If everything is handed over to the bourgeois, why do we need an army for conscription, so that without a worker he would defend the bourgeois?

      Is cost optimization not one of the main concerns of capital?
  • Fin
    Fin 9 July 2013 10: 19 New
    +7
    The course continues to plunder the country, while the GDP to distract the people looks beautiful in the external arena. Rostelecom, Russian Railways, Aeroflot, Sovcomflot, Alrosa, Zarubezhneft, Inter RAO UES, RusHydro, Uralvagonzavod are strategic enterprises that bring stable income to the budget. A lot of money has been invested in their development. This is a betrayal, we are once again thrown like suckers. Where do all these corrupt come from?
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 9 July 2013 12: 58 New
      +2
      Gentlemen, you forgot the banks and Sberbank VTB were mentioned
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 9 July 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    What gentlemen "privatizers" not all instructions of the Washington regional committee complied with? So, only mankurts and enemies of Russia can brazenly steal. Oh wait for the bastards-planes will not be enough for everyone, and unlike 1917 the tasks will be slightly different: air defense, strategic missile forces, and then in the old scenario.
  • Albus
    Albus 9 July 2013 10: 24 New
    +3
    The scheme of the event is understandable. First, they create the state. company for huge national money, then they transfer it at a cheap price to their friends in the west (or to themselves through dummies at best). But given that the dollar to ruble actually costs much less than the stated 1/32, and this ratio artificially creates the Central Bank of Russia ( which does not belong to the state of Russia!), one can confidently consider such privatization not just theft, but one of the forms of indemnity ...
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 9 July 2013 17: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: ALBUS
      The scheme of the event is understandable. First, they create the state. company for huge national money, then they transfer it at a cheap price to their friends in the west (or to themselves through dummies at best). But given that the dollar to ruble actually costs much less than the stated 1/32, and this ratio artificially creates the Central Bank of Russia ( which does not belong to the state of Russia!), one can confidently consider such privatization not just theft, but one of the forms of indemnity ...

      The Central Bank - belongs to Russia, there is no indemnity - there are mutually beneficial relations.

      The rest is true.
  • nemec55
    nemec55 9 July 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    Pinznets .......
  • Xnumx kopeek
    Xnumx kopeek 9 July 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    and this photo shows-We are two Chubais! -mole.
  • Albus
    Albus 9 July 2013 10: 34 New
    +4
    The scheme of the event is understandable. First they create the state. company for huge national money, then they transfer it at a cheap price to their friends in the west, or to themselves through dummies. But given that the dollar to ruble actually costs much less than the declared 1/32, and this ratio artificially creates the Central Bank of Russia (which does not belong to the state Russia!), One can confidently consider such privatization not just theft, but even a form of indemnity ...
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 9 July 2013 10: 37 New
    10
    Most people hold for cretins.
    We need NATIONALIZATION of strategic enterprises and industries as a whole, objects of cultural and historical heritage, land (except for those employed for housing) and mineral resources.
  • Metlik
    Metlik 9 July 2013 10: 41 New
    +2
    Usually unprofitable enterprises are privatized. If they sell profitable - this is wrecking.
    After such privatization, many will finally turn their backs on Putin.
    1. Matroskin
      Matroskin 9 July 2013 11: 46 New
      +7
      Here he is upset then ... belay
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 9 July 2013 16: 54 New
      +8
      That's it ! This is wrecking and betrayal !!!
  • Sergey13
    Sergey13 9 July 2013 10: 49 New
    +3
    ... If something is the first to go to the shooting [/ quote]
    I will participate laughing , with me several comrades, will bring cartridges