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Demonstration of new Russian UAVs

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28 июня 2013 года на полигоне в подмосковном Алабино состоялась демонстрация руководству Министерства обороны России беспилотных aviation систем различного типа и класса, предлагаемых российскими предприятиями промышленности.


22 companies brought to the range about 30 units of UAV systems. The leadership of the Ministry of Defense of Russia had the opportunity not only to familiarize themselves with these systems on a static platform, but also to evaluate their real work when imitating hostilities.


Forpost unmanned vehicle (IAI Searcher Mk II), which is assembled under license from the Israeli company IAI at the UZGA plant in Yekaterinburg (c) Denis Fedutinov


DPLA "Bee" modernized complex "Stroy-PD" (c) Denis Fedutinov


The Tipchak drone of the Tipchak complex, created by the “Vega” concern, has been harshly criticized by the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense (c) Denis Fedutinov


General Novikov, head of the UAV’s General Staff UAV’s Directorate of the General Staff, reports information on the Zastava (IAI Bird Eye 400) UAV, which is assembled under an IAI license at UZGA in Yekaterinburg (c) Denis Fedutinov


The moment of the start of the mini-UAV "Orlan" developed by the STC company from St. Petersburg (c) Denis Fedutinov


Helicopter "Eaglet" - a possible platform for the creation of UAVs (c) Denis Fedutinov


The leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense meets the S-100 (Schiebel Camcopter S-100) S Horizon Air system, which is assembled under license from the Austrian Schiebel company at the Horizon enterprise in Rostov-on-Don (c) Denis Fedutinov


Multi-rotor mini-UAVs of vertical take-off / landing of the Moscow company NELK (c) Denis Fedutinov



The drone of the "Eleron" family of the Kazan company "Enix" recently passed State tests through the Ministry of Defense of Russia (c) Denis Fedutinov


UAV control point (s) Vadim Savitsky


Presentation of reports (c) Vadim Savitsky
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  1. Wedmak
    Wedmak 2 July 2013 10: 31 New
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    They gave a kick, went development, the introduction of the troops. But the variety is striking. True, heavy not yet to be seen.
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 2 July 2013 10: 42 New
      40
      The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR ...
      There is not a single serious machine of our project, and this is depressing ...
      Although shout out hurray! I do not interfere ... wink Your right
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 2 July 2013 10: 45 New
        -3
        The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR

        Something I doubt that in the circles of modellers they made UAVs with video cameras and GPS. And they flew for 15 minutes, no more.
        1. Refund_SSSR
          Refund_SSSR 2 July 2013 10: 48 New
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          Quote: Wedmak
          Something I doubt that UAVs with cameras and GPS were made in the circles of modellers

          I beg of you!
          UAV with camera and GPS! laughing In our time !!! laughing How difficult!!
          (BUT SO CHILDREN did! TWENTY-FIVE OR THIRTY YEARS BACK!)
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 2 July 2013 11: 19 New
            +4
            UAV with camera and GPS! In our time !!! How difficult!!

            Screwdriver in your hands and go.
            The difficulty is not in installing the camera and the GPS sensor on the airplane, the difficulty in transferring data from these devices to the ground.
            1. domokl
              domokl 2 July 2013 11: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Wedmak
              The difficulty is not in installing the camera and the GPS sensor on the airplane, the difficulty in transferring data from these devices to the ground.

              But then gliders are copying ... And data transmission right now is not difficult ...
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 2 July 2013 11: 39 New
                +5
                And data transmission right now is not difficult ...

                It depends on which gear. You do not want the enemy to accept data sent from the UAV, too? Hence the encryption of data, hence the encryption of the control signal, etc. But this is not as simple as putting a home router with Wi-Fi.
                1. Canep
                  Canep 2 July 2013 12: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  But this is not so simple as putting a home router with Wi-Fi.

                  Home WIFI also encrypts by the way and sends and receives. Here you only need to write a program, the Samsung smartphone will fit the database, it already has GPS, Wi-Fi, a camera (some and more than one), as well as a powerful computer.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 2 July 2013 13: 10 New
                    -1
                    Samsung smartphone is suitable for the base, it already has GPS, Wi-Fi, a camera (some and more than one)

                    And buy all the smartphones of Samsung? smile No, you can twist the device on something left, but only it will work just as crookedly.
              2. Ivan.
                Ivan. 2 July 2013 12: 30 New
                +3
                Quote: domokl
                Quote: Wedmak
                The difficulty is not in installing the camera and the GPS sensor on the airplane, the difficulty in transferring data from these devices to the ground.

                But then gliders are copying ... And data transmission right now is not difficult ...

                Well, yes, SUSHK and MIG gliders are the best in the world, it is painful to copy the glider. Difficulties are likely with the creation of a small propulsion system with UAV “brains” to which stringent requirements for configuration and, in general, miniaturization, to which our industry has never sought, must be presented. And with the software for sure the complexity.
              3. bubla5
                bubla5 2 July 2013 13: 22 New
                +3
                In our day, complexity, as one horse said, don’t tell my horseshoes, just nobody needs it, the developments were in the 80s in Kazan, now this constructor in Israel
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 2 July 2013 15: 10 New
                  +3
                  The first Israeli UAVs took to the air in the early 70s. In the military-industrial complex of Israel, there are very few Russian-speaking engineers of the Russian school.
                  1. Airman
                    Airman 2 July 2013 21: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
                    The first Israeli UAVs took to the air in the early 70s. In the military-industrial complex of Israel, there are very few Russian-speaking engineers of the Russian school.


                    Extremely few, but they are all leading.
            2. itkul
              itkul 2 July 2013 11: 31 New
              +6
              Quote: Wedmak
              Screwdriver in your hands and go.
              The difficulty is not in installing the camera and the GPS sensor on the airplane, the difficulty in transferring data from these devices to the ground


              Come on, like the quadrocopter in the picture, the finished one is in the store 14650r, with two video cameras and WI-FI, it would be better if they bought from the Chinese and not mastered the money. In general, it seems until our scientists are driven into camps, like under Beria, there will be no sense

              http://murmansk.dns-shop.ru/catalog/i156888/parrot-ardrone-20.html

              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 2 July 2013 11: 44 New
                +5
                This is a toy, no more.
                The radius of work from the remote control is 50 m. SUPER !!!
                Battery life 12 minutes SUPER !!!
                And how is things going with the encryption of the control channel and the video signal, I won’t even ask.
                And if you increase it for greater autonomy and range, how much will it weigh in the end and what will this monster look like? Not to mention the fact that such a quadrocopter is an excellent target for small arms.
              2. ATATA
                ATATA 2 July 2013 11: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: itkul
                In general, one gets the impression until our scientists are driven into camps, as under Beria, there will be no sense

                This is "True Truth" (C)
                Scientists in closed design bureaus (like Tupolev at one time and not only him) of the leaders of our scientists to the wall!
            3. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 July 2013 11: 34 New
              +4
              It’s just that the camera is already out of date. Gyrostabilized platforms with sensors and laser devices that allow you to determine the coordinates of targets and highlight them. And instead of the ZhPS sensor, inertial navigation systems with satellite correction are used. Determining not only the coordinates of the UAV, but also the azimuth of the axis of the device.

              The Israelis began to set on their already multispectral sensors.
            4. Refund_SSSR
              Refund_SSSR 2 July 2013 11: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Wedmak
              Screwdriver in your hands and go.

              And can everyone be engaged in the matter which is trained? AND?
              And please, don’t have to tell me what to do and I don’t have to tell you where to go fool
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 2 July 2013 12: 24 New
                0
                Well then maybe you will not give advice to professionals who are trained in this ...
                if you yourself admit that you don’t understand anything about this?
                1. Refund_SSSR
                  Refund_SSSR 2 July 2013 12: 34 New
                  0
                  Another one...
                  Where am I giving to anyone? and? fool
                  And where did I say that I do not understand anything in aircraft modeling?
                  What today is such a day ... an aggravation of some kind among the people ...
              2. Wedmak
                Wedmak 2 July 2013 13: 11 New
                +5
                Sorry, but you are so reasoning, how simple it is, that the idea has appeared that you are doing this.
                I look from my bell tower as an engineer for information systems (computer systems, systems and networks). So, at first it seems that everything is simple, but as you begin to go into details, so many problems get out that at least stand, even fall.
                1. Refund_SSSR
                  Refund_SSSR 2 July 2013 14: 20 New
                  +1
                  yes, I’m tasting ... I am engaged in amateur photo and video shooting, including aerial panoramas from a quadrocopter, including at slow shutter speeds, and for this it is necessary to ensure sooooo much greater stability of the copra in the air and an offset of only a millimeter will give lubrication .. .. and this is not trampling the keys on the forum laughing
                  But to ensure autonomy and the duration of a continuous flight are completely different tasks, and they haven’t fallen to my side ... somehow.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 2 July 2013 14: 26 New
                    0
                    And it seems to me my technique, I brought it to the right parameters also competes with these "miracle aggates for billions"

                    I would only FOR, bring, represent in MO, open a factory, supply. But you know what prevents you from doing this seriously and presenting a serious model?
                    1. Refund_SSSR
                      Refund_SSSR 2 July 2013 14: 54 New
                      +4
                      So I already said, I do not receive grants for billions and do not arrange grandiose displays of any SLAG under the guise of modern military equipment.
                      I am a simple Russian engineer-designer-technologist, who is sick with the sky and amateur photography, I did not graduate from the right universities and do not intend to compete with specialists who are not peculiar to me, but I’ll shut up my belt.
                      So let everyone do their own thing and do it RESPONSIBLY!
                      And all this farce is a betrayal of the motherland by saw cutters and embezzlers ...
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 2 July 2013 14: 58 New
                        +2
                        So let everyone do their own thing and do it RESPONSIBLY!

                        With all limbs FOR.
                      2. Refund_SSSR
                        Refund_SSSR 2 July 2013 15: 02 New
                        0
                        I'm glad I understood each other good hi
          2. Zerstorer
            Zerstorer 3 July 2013 09: 52 New
            0
            Recall about FPV flights.
        2. 12061973
          12061973 2 July 2013 18: 13 New
          0
          and without a lot of a millionth budget.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 2 July 2013 11: 01 New
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        Quote: Wedmak
        And they flew for 15 minutes, no more.

        For information for consideration, aircraft modellers of the USSR by Jan 1. 1974 set 20 world records out of 43 officially registered by International Aviation. Federation (FAI)

        including the flight duration of the model 25 hours 44 m 08 sec. flight altitude - 8208 m.
        1. aviator_IAS
          aviator_IAS 2 July 2013 16: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          For information for consideration, aircraft modellers of the USSR by Jan 1. 1974 set 20 world records out of 43 officially registered by International Aviation. Federation (FAI)

          including the flight duration of the model 25 hours 44 m 08 sec. flight altitude - 8208 m.


          Yes, and it was a huge reserve for the education of real designers. There were thousands of circles: air, ship, rocket-model. If children's technical technical work (including aircraft modeling) had not been curtailed in the 90s, things would have been much better with drones. Designers are not born. They always start small.
      3. Tatar
        Tatar 2 July 2013 11: 06 New
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        what bad children were, that 30 years ago they didn’t think of a camera and put JoPeS. In the Union, Buran was automatically put into orbit, but now billions are being allocated to bring a children's toy to mind. regrettably.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 2 July 2013 11: 37 New
          -8
          That same children's toy is much more difficult to equip and launch than a huge multi-ton Buran.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 2 July 2013 11: 41 New
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            Quote: Pimply
            That same children's toy is much more difficult to equip and launch than a huge multi-ton Buran.


            Zhenya, you're wrong. Do you think flying into space is both cheaper and easier
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 2 July 2013 12: 14 New
              -4
              No. Not cheaper and easier. But in this particular situation, those technologies that were used for unmanned Buran’s flight are different from those used for modern UAVs. Which, however, does not detract from the achievements in launching the Buran.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 2 July 2013 12: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: Pimply
                But in this particular situation, those technologies are different


                But then it should not be tied to Buran, these are different things, they are united by only one name - unmanned
                1. Canep
                  Canep 2 July 2013 13: 01 New
                  +3
                  What do you argue, find a student-programmer, a student-aircraft designer, and a student-electronics engineer, preferably with good grades, give them money (you don’t even need access to high technology), and they are a normal drone from the smartphone of an electric motor and an additional battery for a year not only will design but also do. And it will be controlled via the Internet. And if you add a satellite phone there, you can fly anywhere.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 2 July 2013 13: 15 New
                    +1
                    They’ll do it, I don’t argue. A couple of copies, and then spare parts run out because no one produces them.
                    1. Canep
                      Canep 2 July 2013 13: 53 New
                      0
                      Not so smartphones will stop selling so sharply. Not long ago there was a case, the mattress-beds of our former citizens were tied up in the dual-use electronics trade, and the fact that the Yabloko people around the world sell a ready-made cruise missile control unit with the name iPhone didn’t interest their special services.
                    2. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 2 July 2013 13: 58 New
                      +2
                      Not so smartphones will stop selling so sharply.

                      The term of active sales of smartphones is a couple of years, then the next model. Will we also redo the UAV?
                      and the fact that the Yabloko people around the world are selling a ready-made control unit for a cruise missile with the name iPhone did not interest their special services.

                      Share the mushrooms please. Or what do you smoke there.
                    3. Canep
                      Canep 2 July 2013 14: 13 New
                      -2
                      I do not smoke mushrooms laughing
                      But seriously, building an unmanned aerial vehicle from ready-made units will not be difficult, just as composing a control program from ready-made procedures. And the fact that these smartphones are quickly becoming obsolete and new ones come to replace them is not a problem, manufacturers will release components while they have orders. You are not going to buy components for a serial car at the bazaar.
                      And as for the finished block, judge for yourself what is in the background and Tamagavka.
                      GPS - there is both there and there, and a computer in the background is more powerful at times. I don’t know if there is a cruise missile in a video camera. Add the drive to your iPhone and you're done.
                    4. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 2 July 2013 14: 19 New
                      0
                      But seriously, building an unmanned aerial vehicle from ready-made units will not be difficult, just as composing a control program from ready-made procedures.

                      Yes, but where to get these same blocks and procedures?
                      this is not a problem, manufacturers will release components while they have orders

                      But it must be our manufacturers. Definitely.
                      And as for the finished block, judge for yourself what is in the i-background and Tamagavka. GPS - is both there and there, and the computer in the i-background is more powerful at times. I don’t know if there is a cruise missile in a video camera.

                      So you can call any smartphone. But still in the rocket is specialized electronics, sharpened for one purpose. Therefore, great power there is not required.
                      Add the drive to your iPhone and you're done.

                      I remembered the film "Iron Sky". There was such a precedent. laughing
                    5. Canep
                      Canep 2 July 2013 14: 49 New
                      0
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      But it must be our manufacturers. Definitely.

                      I think that now in many modern Russian electronic units there are Chinese microcircuits. It’s easier, cheaper and faster. And in Soviet electronics, the vast majority used our analogues of their microcircuits. And the reason for this was the lack of Chinese electronics, and the ban on the supply of dual-purpose microcircuits to the USSR (i.e. almost everything), and the desire to be independent of the West.
              2. Ivan.
                Ivan. 2 July 2013 14: 04 New
                0
                Quote: Canep
                Not so smartphones will stop selling so sharply. Not long ago there was a case, the mattress-beds of our former citizens were tied up in the dual-use electronics trade, and the fact that the Yabloko people around the world sell a ready-made cruise missile control unit with the name iPhone didn’t interest their special services.

                This iPhone is an unmanned aerial vehicle (variety) for which experimental subjects themselves pay, and therefore enemy intelligence services clear its way to the masses! Let us also integrate it into our law enforcement agencies. It is known that the Internet is a dual-use project, a lot of evidence of which, and everything that revolves around it.
              3. Wedmak
                Wedmak 2 July 2013 14: 11 New
                +2
                It is known that the Internet is a dual-use project, a lot of evidence of which, and everything that revolves around it.

                Anything can now be called a dual-use project - even a table fork.
                And an iPhone, when viewed from the side of functionality, is a brick for pulling money from people. Although yes, it can call.
              4. Ivan.
                Ivan. 2 July 2013 15: 42 New
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                Anything can now be called a dual-use project - even a table fork.

                I had in mind the idea originally laid down in the creation of the Internet and financing by interested parties, which is why globalization actually started. Puppeteers have always known that it is easier to win by laying certain ideas on the masses. The Internet was seen as a means of delivery and control, second of all, making money (as a cover and "self-sufficiency" at the expense of the victims themselves, which the aggressors have always sinned). And the fact that even the schoolboy will say that the need for inventions is cunning and can create weapons even from a toothpick.
              5. Wedmak
                Wedmak 2 July 2013 15: 52 New
                0
                The Internet was seen as a means of delivery and control, second of all, making money (as a cover and "self-sufficiency" at the expense of the victims themselves, which the aggressors have always sinned).

                We were taught that the Internet was primarily created for the transmission of information - ARPANET ... It was unlikely then that they hoped that the Internet would become such an influential media. Yes, actually, he only became so after the invention of the Web. I still managed to work in Fido when she was already dying. But it was very interesting.
              6. Ivan.
                Ivan. 2 July 2013 16: 55 New
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                It was unlikely then that the Internet would become such an influential media.

                Short-sighted. People wondered if there was life on Mars long before the first plane, and not just a spaceship. Initially, the Internet could be considered as a way of transmitting data, and if it were thought so further, it would not have received the funding and the “green street” that was in reality. With sotikov the same story. Someone believes that this is a portable phone, but in fact it is a network for the delivery of technology for manipulating through sound, amy, audio-video information encoded and without encoding.
              7. Rumata
                Rumata 2 July 2013 17: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: Ivan.
                Someone believes that this is a portable phone, but in fact it is a network for the delivery of technology for manipulating through sound, amy, audio-video information encoded and without encoding.

              8. Wedmak
                Wedmak 2 July 2013 17: 28 New
                0
                Initially, the Internet could be considered as a way of transmitting data, and if it were thought so further, it would not have received the funding and the “green street” that was in reality.

                I also received it. At that time, the problem of storing and transmitting large amounts of information arose.

                Someone believes that this is a portable phone, but in fact it is a network for the delivery of technology for manipulating through sound, amy, audio-video information encoded and without encoding.

                Here I do not agree with you. This is only a means of communication in the first place. And whoever considers it as a means of manipulation ... well ... let him consider it.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 2 July 2013 15: 12 New
    0
    I don’t bind
  • ultra
    ultra 2 July 2013 12: 34 New
    +3
    They definitely differ! Buran made a flight and landed completely autonomously, it is in this direction that the UAV develops (the operator will have only control functions), and this has already been implemented on Buran.
  • ultra
    ultra 2 July 2013 11: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: Pimply
    That same children's toy is much more difficult to equip and launch than a huge multi-ton Buran.

    Very "thoughtful" remark!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 July 2013 12: 07 New
      +1
      Is it easier to create one device, or at least 270 working sets of "children's toys"?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 2 July 2013 12: 14 New
      0
      Refute.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 2 July 2013 15: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Refute.

        Prove it.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 2 July 2013 16: 04 New
          0
          For the 1000th time the same thing? Thank you, I prefer to spend time on something else. Proof of the won 5 billion rubles spent several years ago without a visible result.
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 3 July 2013 08: 55 New
            0
            Well, you started this conversation and you knew that there would be such questions.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 2 July 2013 11: 08 New
    +6
    Quote: Wedmak
    And they flew for 15 minutes, no more.

    I flew about 3 minutes. Once. Then into the trash. It was so disappointing ... Model "Mosquito". 5 months did. They thought it would fall in the snow, but it’s a bastard in a melted, but not thawed tubercle. Almost the only one on the field ...
  • S-200
    S-200 2 July 2013 13: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Wedmak
    Something I doubt that in the circles of modellers they made UAVs with video cameras and GPS. And they flew for 15 minutes, no more.

    This refers to the flight technical characteristics of the model. And if you put video and GPS on models from the Palace of Pioneers of the USSR, they will even be cheaper! laughing
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 July 2013 13: 15 New
      0
      And if you put video and GPS on models from the Palace of Pioneers of the USSR, then they will even be cheaper!

      I doubt very much.
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 2 July 2013 14: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: Wedmak
    Something I doubt that in the circles of modellers they made UAVs with video cameras and GPS.




    as well?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 July 2013 14: 13 New
      +1
      They killed .. on the spot. good I forgot about this gorgeous cartoon.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 2 July 2013 15: 13 New
      +3
      This is not a drone, this is a mouse controlled by 8)
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 2 July 2013 15: 18 New
        +5
        This is not a drone, this is a mouse controlled by 8)

        But she is unmanned !!!! And they control all the drones.
  • Edward72
    Edward72 2 July 2013 10: 49 New
    +2
    It is flawless that most are licensed, but as Wedmak wrote, something kicked off.
  • Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 2 July 2013 11: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR

    I am absolutely convinced that our developers will not demonstrate serious UAVs (including drums) at open displays. What is shown - either mini-class devices or licensed - everyone knows about the presence of the latter. So this is not a demonstration of a UAV, but rather a demonstration of blah blah blah.
    As for the shock drones, the developments on them were back in the days of the USSR. There was a Tupolev strike complex at the Flight base, armed with KMGU. I saw a prototype year in '93. Of course, everything has changed since then, but I’m sure that the current generation of UAVs is being developed by any of the “adult” design bureaus. If only because the regime of secrecy is respected there and there are those who are engaged in this. And these samples will not be put up for public displays soon.
  • domokl
    domokl 2 July 2013 11: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR ...

    Even more. My father made of rails and tissue paper, using gum from underpants such UAVs made a sight for sore eyes. And his father also taught him. In the circles of aircraft models there were great developments.
    It's just that modern youth got used to buying everything, forgot how to do it with their hands ...
  • Suhov
    Suhov 2 July 2013 11: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    The same variety was in the circles of the USSR modellers ... There is not a single serious machine of our project, and this is depressing ...

    Your comparison is humiliatingly for former members of the circles of young aircraft modellers of the USSR.
    wassat
    1. Canep
      Canep 2 July 2013 13: 17 New
      +1
      Yes, it seems you are right that the circle did better, in any case, their products were more like planes.
  • S-200
    S-200 2 July 2013 13: 01 New
    0
    hi depressing lag even from China!
    "push the water in the mortar" since 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX ...
    5 years - "cattle under the tail"! (((
    and samples - at the level of aircraft modeling in the USSR
    “MiG” and “Sukhoi” this “model aircraft” in the fig “isn’t those grandmas to strain”, helicopter pilots - “here’s a sample for you, just leave me alone!”,
    the rest are home-made "from the Palace of Pioneers" (MVTU, MAI) ....
    Amer "shuttle drones" for years in orbit will test ...
    The Chinese "stealth drone" from the deck launched ...
    "The system must be changed - rotted fuck ...!"
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 2 July 2013 16: 06 New
    0
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    There is not a single serious machine of our project, and this is depressing ...

    and the UAV from the DOZOR-600 (Dozor-3) transas?
    Dozor-600 (Dozor-3) is a Russian reconnaissance and strike unmanned aerial vehicle. Developed by Transas. Belongs to the class of heavy medium-altitude UAVs of long duration and flight range.
    UAV Dozor-600 is built according to the normal aerodynamic scheme. Take-off and landing are made on an airplane. The Dozor 600 is powered by a Rotax 914 four-stroke piston engine.

    Functionally, the casing of the device is divided into 3 compartments:

    The bow is occupied by navigation and control systems.
    In the middle part there is a fuel tank.
    The tail part consists of a power supply system and a power plant.

    Payload of the Dozor-600 complex for receiving data:

    radar (front and side radar with synthesized aperture),
    optical thermal imaging (video camera and thermal imager)
    photographic (high-resolution camera with interchangeable lenses)

    Also on board Dozor-600 is located:

    auto tracking and target designation system,
    a system for transmitting photo, video, radar and thermal imaging images,
    system for archiving and storing information on board.

    watch 600


    Take-off weight, kg .:
    640.00
    Range, km .:
    3 700.00
    Speed, km / h:
    210.00
    Practical ceiling, m .:
    7 500.00
    Length, m .:
    6,7
    Height, m.:
    2,3
    Wing span, m .:
    12
    Payload, kg .:
    220
    Engine:
    914 hp Rotax 115
    Flight Duration, h: 30
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 2 July 2013 18: 39 New
      0
      I still saw this miracle in 2009, then what? except for poster displays

      I haven’t heard about him anymore, about passing tests, tests, etc.

      where is the scat that we have been given so much? where 5 billion rubles allocated for the development of patriotic blah-where bought another house in Monaco


      I say again, only the theft of technology, or at least working with Israel in obtaining Girona and already based on them, go ahead, but you need a starting point to start
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 2 July 2013 10: 48 New
    +5
    We need heavy drums, but what is shown the day before yesterday. "Bee" - yes, she’s about 40 years old.
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 2 July 2013 11: 38 New
      0
      "Bee" -yes 40 years old already.

      Need a platform and more than one! After all, Su-27 is also "not a boy" ...
    2. Retx
      Retx 2 July 2013 16: 04 New
      +1
      They showed what is possible. There was a closed show with heavy UAVs, reconnaissance and strike assignment hi
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 2 July 2013 11: 18 New
    +1
    And pay attention, colleagues, how many chiefs, there are so many types of uniforms, even militarized baseball caps are present, it’s good that you didn’t put on a pin-cap with shirts and ties for a vole ...
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 2 July 2013 11: 20 New
      0
      And of course, I would like to hope that if Defense Minister Shaigu personally took control of the case, then it will move forward.
  • Rustam
    Rustam 2 July 2013 11: 31 New
    +3
    We still do not have anything similar to compete in TTX even with the Israeli Searcher Mk II, 90s development.


    where is the ramp about which so burst on the previous max? where are the 5 billion rubles that were once allocated to the VEGA concern? And they created the super miracle Tipchak? which safely fell in Ossetia in 2008 after the start, frightening its soldiers and strangers with its sound.

    And something similar to the state predators or Israeli gherons, we probably would not have expected 20 years, we like China


    ps- by the way, our Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation really wants to get the Israeli Heron-Shoigu interested in the multipurpose unmanned aerial vehicle "Heron", which can be used in the strike version. However, representatives of an Israeli company complained that the authorities did not allow them to supply the entire product line to Russia. “But we will achieve such permission,” the company representative assured.
    1. domokl
      domokl 2 July 2013 11: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Rustam
      We still do not have anything similar to compete in TTX even with the Israeli Searcher Mk II, 90s development.

      Arms exhibition will be held soon in Omsk. Preparation is in full swing. Here they will show that we are actually issuing the defense industry complex. Not the screwdriver assembly companies, namely our developments.
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 2 July 2013 12: 02 New
        +3
        domok
        Here they will show what the defense industry is really giving us now
        ___________

        I have seen enough of these shows, and in the end, there’s no reason to not show them at exhibitions, but show my samples in practice on tests

        Why reinvent the wheel? There is a Predator (UAV MQ-9) that is terrifying all over the world, so let our services work on the extraction of technology (in the USSR they would have gotten it a long time ago)

        because we are 15 years behind, for sure, until we catch up they will still go ahead
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 2 July 2013 12: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Rustam
          Why reinvent the wheel


          Indeed, we will pump oil and buy foreign weapons, and we will send our brains over the hill as unnecessary
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 2 July 2013 12: 19 New
            +2
            Vadivak
            buy foreign weapons
            _________
            It was about the Predator and the Reaper, nobody will ever sell it to us (I said specifically about military espionage)

            as was done in the USSR, where the special departments of the KGB and the GRU searched around the world for both military and civilian technologies.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 2 July 2013 12: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: Rustam
              as was done in the USSR, where the special departments of the KGB and the GRU searched around the world for both military and civilian technologies.


              Rustam, there is no longer the USSR. I don’t want to talk about the rest
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 2 July 2013 14: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Rustam

              It was about the Predator and the Reaper, nobody will ever sell it to us (I said specifically about military espionage)

              Why's that? It would be a desire and willingness to overpay, or at worst - negotiate, pay and get knocked down and caught for you - there would be a wish (and you can dig into the stuffing as much as you like - our techies have always perfectly improved).

              Another thing is that for some, a patent is more important than the interests of the country (in the understanding of the majority).
              1. Rustam
                Rustam 2 July 2013 15: 03 New
                +2
                Why's that? It would be a desire
                ____________
                And what did I talk about above? Officially, do not get it, by illegal means, please always

                That's what you need to mine, and not show models with cheap home cameras
                Israeli Setcher 2 (outpost) of the 90s surpassed in TTX all that New that was shown by Shoigu, an acre of Austrian unmanned helicopters and the Israeli short-range complex
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 2 July 2013 16: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rustam
                  That's what you need to mine, and not show models with cheap home cameras


                  good
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 2 July 2013 11: 39 New
      +1
      Heron is good. But the probability of copying technologies and falling into the hands of regimes that are unfriendly to Israel is too high.
    3. itkul
      itkul 2 July 2013 13: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Rustam
      We still do not have anything similar to compete in TTX even with the Israeli Searcher Mk II, 90s development.


      And what about the M-55 "Geophysics", can it really not be adapted for a shock drone

      1. B_KypTke
        B_KypTke 2 July 2013 13: 27 New
        0
        Yes, the plane is beautiful and climbs up to nearly 30 km., But you look at the time of its barrage ... 40-50 minutes. Pogosyan put him to death.
        1. itkul
          itkul 2 July 2013 13: 43 New
          0
          Quote: B_KypTke
          but you look at the time of his barrage ... 40-50 min


          And on Wikipedia

          maximum flight range at 17000 m: 5 km
          Duration of flight at 17000 m: 6,5 hours

          yes and here it is written
          http://www.airwar.ru/enc/spy/m55.html

          And then the Russians proved to Europe that our high-altitude aircraft M-55 Geophysics is no worse and even, in many ways, better than the American one. After all, it can perform a long (up to 6 hours) flight at an altitude of 19-21 km. Its maximum payload is up to 2000 kg,
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 July 2013 22: 34 New
      0
      Unfortunately, there is little chance of such a deal. Israel has quite good relations with the Russian Federation, but not allied. Well, you can imagine selling Israel a Yakhont or a Favorite.
  • Tatb
    Tatb 2 July 2013 13: 44 New
    -1
    This is all complete! Sorry for directness, Given our potential, we should have devices not less than! The blizzard flew into space itself! PAXFA T-50. HOW they say he is capable of returning to the airfield if the pilot is killed or injured. in the end, our code loafers roamed the moon motrasniki could not even dream of such achievements in the field of control at such a height drinks
    1. itkul
      itkul 2 July 2013 13: 55 New
      0
      Quote: TATb
      Given our potential, we should have devices not worse than that!


      Well, how would we see our potential in the pictures at the beginning of the article, and so I would attach several guided missiles to the finished M-55 glider and remove the pilot, and that’s the finished strike UAV
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 2 July 2013 10: 31 New
    +1
    the appearance of our generals in this form ... sorry collective farm .... although I admit that people are doing the right thing ... it is gratifying to hear
    1. politruk419
      politruk419 2 July 2013 10: 39 New
      +3
      Grigorich, leave me alone; they are busy with business!
      1. Grigorich 1962
        Grigorich 1962 2 July 2013 10: 43 New
        +3
        good ... good .... the thing is necessary .... and the people have a serious look ... but the form ... take a closer look ... who is what much .... and the headdress ... is ... like demobilization ... soviet .... you need something more serious
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 2 July 2013 10: 31 New
    +2
    The 1st, 6th, 7th and 8th photos deserve attention, the rest is slightly better than the level of aero-model circles. There is progress, albeit insignificant, and it pleases. hi

    Ahhh, in the end, the listed photos, except for a helicopter, a foreign production? belay
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 2 July 2013 10: 52 New
      +1
      Our production seems to be localized. But the cars are foreign (hello to the haters).
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 2 July 2013 11: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Basileus
        Our production seems to be localized. But the cars are foreign (hello to the haters).


        Well flowed

        Bee Yakovlevskaya, Aileron - "ENICS", Orlenok - "Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise", Orlan-Developed by the Russian company "Special Technological Center".
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 July 2013 11: 11 New
          +2
          Compare the performance characteristics. Yakovlevskaya "Bee" is already super old.
        2. Basileus
          Basileus 2 July 2013 11: 23 New
          +2
          I know about Kumertau, the benefit is local. Only this is not a UAV. Bee, sorry, the third ten.

          The same Outpost is Israeli. And the main difficulties we have with machines of precisely this or more difficult class.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 2 July 2013 11: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Basileus
            Bee, sorry, the third ten.


            So what? She showed herself excellently in two Chechen ones, in such conditions when the use of foreign tactical UAVs was practically excluded as the most suitable for use in real conditions. Change the filling and full forward
            P / S /
            Bee third ten. Just the concept of the Su-27, for example, 1981 lives and wins
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 July 2013 12: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: Vadivak
              So what? She showed herself excellently in two Chechen ones, in such conditions when the use of foreign tactical UAVs was practically excluded as the most suitable for use in real conditions.

              To know still where they were applied. And then there are many stories, the impression is that the sky of Ichkeria from flying UAVs was already black. But in real life I have not seen a single one. Helicopters were, "Rooks" saw. Even the repeater, which often wandered over the mountains. But the UAV, never.

              By the way, do you know how many KamAZs this complex needs?
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas 2 July 2013 12: 31 New
                +1
                The probes were still flying, one of us from the checkpoint saw a weather balloon at night (the red light on it blinked) and transmitted to the location “I am observing an unidentified flying object, allow me to open fire”, it was fun ...
              2. Vadivak
                Vadivak 2 July 2013 12: 38 New
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                To know still where they were applied


                Well, if the Chechens shot down two pieces, then they were used angry
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 2 July 2013 12: 17 New
              +4
              Quote: Vadivak
              Bee third ten. Just the concept of the Su-27, for example, 1981 lives and wins

              The modern Su-27 is very different from the 27 Su-1981. Did the Bee get the same development?
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 2 July 2013 14: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: Pimply
                Did the Bee get the same development?


                Eugene and who tried? All praise Israeli drones, and their achievements, as it were, do not exist
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 2 July 2013 15: 14 New
                  +2
                  Israeli UAVs have continuously developed since the 70s. The problem is with its own - quality is still not up to par.
  • neri73-r
    neri73-r 2 July 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    It is a pity that our developments are few! am
  • Ivan79
    Ivan79 2 July 2013 10: 32 New
    +2
    It is necessary, it is necessary to design and build UAVs. Moreover, Russian designers have always been famous for their intelligence and ingenuity.
    1. Do not care
      Do not care 2 July 2013 21: 18 New
      0
      They are now famous. Not a single novelty of the global aviation industry can do without them.
      For example:
      “30% of the drawings of the largest nose part of the fuselage were made by Russian engineers in the Boeing design center, a large number of wing mechanization elements, a third of the pylon - a beam on which the engine is mounted, engine nacelles,” said Sergey Kravchenko, President of Boeing for Russia and the CIS, earlier. According to Boeing estimates, about one third of engineering projects for the Boeing 787 were completed by specialists from the Moscow center; level of participation in the development of other types of Boeing aircraft - from 30% to 40%. "

      because Russian officials have always been famous for their intelligence and ingenuity, stealing money from Russian designers
  • Gato
    Gato 2 July 2013 10: 33 New
    +2
    Pleases, of course, the number of samples. But not happy with what is shown in the photo - either an Israeli license, or light UAVs. which, in principle, will not raise serious equipment.
  • Canep
    Canep 2 July 2013 10: 33 New
    +6
    Excuse me, but these drones look like crafts of an aircraft model circle. (now naminusuyuyut ...)
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 July 2013 10: 37 New
      +1
      And what should they look like?
      1. Canep
        Canep 2 July 2013 10: 51 New
        +2
        Well, at least as a product made at the factory, and not at the Palace of Pioneers.
    2. Andrey Skokovsky
      Andrey Skokovsky 2 July 2013 10: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      Excuse me, but these drones look like crafts of an aircraft model circle. (now naminusuyuyut ...)


      you don’t seem to know, but one of the directions in the development of UAVs is the direct support of troops at the forefront,
      those are UAVs with a regiment of a company or even a platoon, think for yourself how such a bird should look.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 2 July 2013 11: 01 New
        +2
        Well, just at the word UAV everyone represents some kind of shock "predator" or "reaper", forgetting about such kids.
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 2 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +1
    Each unit has its own drone, especially on the march.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 2 July 2013 10: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Gato
    Pleases, of course, the number of samples. But not happy with what is shown in the photo - either an Israeli license, or light UAVs. which, in principle, will not raise serious equipment.

    I completely agree, the view that our generals have, that the UAV is far from futuristic. Need to work.
  • Ivan79
    Ivan79 2 July 2013 10: 42 New
    0
    You need to do better, higher, faster than reaper and predator.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 2 July 2013 11: 16 New
      +2
      Yeah, for example, Proton-M - much higher yet ?! laughing
  • sys-1985
    sys-1985 2 July 2013 10: 42 New
    +2
    Growing comrades .. can not but rejoice .. soldier
  • Manager
    Manager 2 July 2013 10: 44 New
    +3
    I am glad of course that at least they started to do.
    But I will say for everyone, I want to see something similar and desirable this year.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 July 2013 10: 48 New
      +1
      And let's get to this. It would be a desire, money and order of the sun.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 July 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        We do not really need them at the moment. Drums. But with intelligence you have to work very tightly.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 2 July 2013 11: 21 New
          0
          We do not really need them at the moment. Drums.

          Especially since we already had them .... A series of reconnaissance drones TU. With the ability to install warhead instead of fixing equipment.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 July 2013 11: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Wedmak
            TU reconnaissance drones series

            Photo scouts with arrival data. Doesn't roll in modern conditions.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 2 July 2013 11: 48 New
              0
              Doesn't roll in modern conditions.

              I agree, does not roll. Therefore, it is necessary to develop this direction. Just for a while they forgot about him.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 2 July 2013 12: 23 New
                +1
                Just for a while, we forgot about everything. except for "niche" samples, which were easy to fuse with foreign customers.
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 2 July 2013 22: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          We do not really need them at the moment. Drums. But with intelligence you have to work very tightly.

          The system needs to be built. When in the beginning of 90x I was called, UAVs were only at the Air Force. Then, slowly, they began to introduce it into artillery, by the way, by tradition, as the UAV battalions in the NE, they remained with the atellerists. but the main thing was a system of interaction and trust between UAV operators and commanders. The latter know what can be expected and expected from different UAVs, and the former know what they expect from them and what is included in their primary tasks. It is not as easy as you imagine.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 July 2013 23: 04 New
            0
            Not build a system, but prioritize. Traditionally, the role of artillery is great for us (the Americans have 1 division and mortar sections in the brigade, and we have 3 divisions in the brigade, not counting the anti-tank and mortar batteries in each battalion). Artillery requires normal reconnaissance equipment. And not only artillery.

            Impact drones are a "first day" combat weapon plus a "fight against baboons." And it can wait.
      2. Rustam
        Rustam 2 July 2013 11: 47 New
        +6
        Wedmak
        And let's get to this. It would be a desire, money and order sun.
        ___________
        A wish that was-swelled 5 billion to concern Vega-at the exit received a squalor called Fitchak

        and before that, as in the photo, it’s necessary to go about 15 years, if you sweat, or steal the technology completely (but special services should deal with this)


        PS-And while the Secretary of Defense is shown crafts, in the USA the MQ-4C "Triton" naval patrol UAV made its first flight, the prototype of the X-47B deck-mounted strike UAV and so on and so forth are flying at full speed.
        1. Manager
          Manager 2 July 2013 14: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Rustam
          PS-And while the Secretary of Defense is shown crafts, in the USA the MQ-4C "Triton" naval patrol UAV made its first flight, the prototype of the X-47B deck-mounted strike UAV and so on and so forth are flying at full speed.

          In in!
        2. iwind
          iwind 2 July 2013 15: 56 New
          +1
          By the way, about the UCLASS (X-37B) project, it’s probably the rare case when the military asks for a lower combat load than manufacturers can give
          "The UAV payload should include at least 500 kg of weapons
          It should also carry at least 1.5 tons of payload and a reconnaissance and tracking system, a synthetic aperture radar, an indicator of moving targets, and a special marine radar. The payload must be modularized and must be easily replaceable. "
          But the autonomy requirement is not small; two circumferential flights over a distance of 1100 km from the aircraft carrier, one over-flight over 2300 km, and also carry out an attack mission to remove up to 3700 km, without refueling.
          So apparently this is more a DRLO / reconnaissance aircraft than a drummer.
          [img] http://i1.wp.com/news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/UCLASS-Web-2.jpg?
          fit = 960,960 [/ img]

          http://news.usni.org/2013/06/26/uclass-by-the-numbers
  • SPIRITofFREEDOM
    SPIRITofFREEDOM 2 July 2013 10: 45 New
    0
    It is necessary to create a reserve for future breakthroughs in the UAV
    So far, unfortunately, they look like models
    I hope to see combat drones of RUSSIAN production in a couple of years, for example, Skat Migovsky
    After all, Russia is full of brainy guys, especially when the enemy is on the border!
  • yanus
    yanus 2 July 2013 10: 46 New
    +6
    Half of UAVs of foreign developments, simply renamed. Just drop dead "new Russian UAV" ...
    Especially touches "Zasatava" (Bird Ay in girlhood) on a wooden stool. So I see the picture:
    The foreman is building a company - is someone able to work with a tree? Do you know exactly how? Then quickly make a stand for the UAV, here's an old bench, three nails, a hammer and a bayonet-knife. The rest are looking for paint for the stand. Run, itt her mother!
  • pensioner
    pensioner 2 July 2013 10: 59 New
    0
    Showed the plot of the Star. I was very pleased! Down and Out trouble started! We get to the heavy !! What, what, and we can do planes! And we’ll tighten the electronics ... There’s nowhere to go. By the way, what’s wrong with the MIG drone? That's where MIG can take a niche! And all!
  • Trofimov174
    Trofimov174 2 July 2013 11: 00 New
    +3
    If there is anything to blame for today's armed forces, it is for such a weak interest in unmanned aerial vehicles. With all the development of Russia as one of the poles of the world order, one must always remember that we are the most sparsely populated of these poles. Accordingly, the size of our armed forces and stocks cannot be compared with the United States or China. The only way to achieve the level of parity in military power with similar potential opponents is to increase the level of automation of troops to such a level that the country's maximum defense and offensive potential requires minimal human involvement. Instead, we see how the minister is shown "revolutionary" flying fleas and systems that are not much different from what you can buy in a radio-controlled toy store. And everyone feeds us with promises, they say, just a little bit, literally in a year, and you will be an extremely heavy flyer. And as usual, we believe.
  • papss
    papss 2 July 2013 11: 05 New
    +1
    I see that everyone didn’t like the look of the generals ... Although it’s already good that there are no bags of flour ... And what do you want from the look of a modern field uniform without a belt ... there are some people in the photo who look better with a belt. ..Well, and drones ... well that started. Of course, their appearance should also be modern ... although the futuristic look of the American should correspond to our futuristic rocket ... and as you know, they are not badly planted ... not even a futuristic country ... Iran for example ...
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 2 July 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    heavy UAVs, even if not shock, can do a huge job ... at least to begin reconnaissance against poaching ... they fly long and economically, the operator sits somewhere in the room and drinks coffee, watches the sensors ...

    such are needed for flying around the daily border (in South Korea, the United States and Israel, mine already practices this)

    and in general in Tajikistan and the Kyrgyz Republic there would be reconnaissance UAVs to detect movement on mountain trails and counteract drug trafficking from Afghanistan ...

    and indeed to identify extremist camps in the Caucasus, visited caches, meetings in the mountains of criminal authorities ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 July 2013 11: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: KG_patriot_last
      heavy UAVs, even if not drums, can do an enormous job ... at least to begin with reconnaissance against poaching ...

      We use them for remote monitoring of pipelines. Cheap and fast.
  • faraon
    faraon 2 July 2013 11: 17 New
    +5
    I read it in a flock, looked at the photos, and alas, was it really frustrated that the country that first sent into space didn’t have any special vehicles capable of creating UAVs. All that is shown is not yesterday but the last century. I made such reduced models only, and even more so when this century, the electronica of progress in composite materials. Let us revive the pioneer palaces, aircraft model mugs to attract youth as it was in the USSR. I say this without sarcasm. But it was put on a grand scale in the USSR and if not for perestroika. I think Russia could redirect its efforts in the field of UAVs now would not have to blush the generals in the photographs and their aeronautics works. Which are made in single copies.
    1. Gato
      Gato 2 July 2013 16: 13 New
      +1
      Make a media, I think, is not a problem.
      The problem is with the electronic stuffing and the network structure in which it will all be tied.
    2. Do not care
      Do not care 2 July 2013 21: 35 New
      0
      In 1974, a ten-year-old boy went to an aircraft modeling club. We built a glider and radio engineering - remote control.

      It just flew a class.
  • Gavril
    Gavril 2 July 2013 11: 20 New
    0
    Yeah ... for UAVs, we lagged behind the West for many years ...
  • faraon
    faraon 2 July 2013 11: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Serezha
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR

    I am absolutely convinced that our developers will not demonstrate serious UAVs (including drums) at open displays. What is shown - either mini-class devices or licensed - everyone knows about the presence of the latter. So this is not a demonstration of a UAV, but rather a demonstration of blah blah blah.
    As for the shock drones, the developments on them were back in the days of the USSR. There was a Tupolev strike complex at the Flight base, armed with KMGU. I saw a prototype year in '93. Of course, everything has changed since then, but I’m sure that the current generation of UAVs is being developed by any of the “adult” design bureaus. If only because the regime of secrecy is respected there and there are those who are engaged in this. And these samples will not be put up for public displays soon.


    Yes, in principle, what’s serious? Remember the respected radio-controlled models - there were such people. And even more so now it can practically be created from Chinese consumer goods (well, I exaggerated it), but you can’t buy a Chinese radio-controlled model (I bought one for my 4 year old grandson) scale and build an operational UAV - nothing new needs to be invented
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 July 2013 11: 33 New
      0
      but you can’t buy a Chinese radio-controlled model (I bought one for my 4 year old grandson) to increase the scale and build an existing UAV

      Such models operate at a maximum of 200 meters. Their control signal is easily drowned out and intercepted. The carrying capacity is low. Flight time - none at all. And they are very fragile and most are afraid of wind, rain, snow, etc.
  • Unknown
    Unknown 2 July 2013 11: 27 New
    -2
    What the ...? It would be better to build unmanned fighters and tactical bombers !!!
  • individual
    individual 2 July 2013 11: 35 New
    0
    UAV developers rely on models of foreign products.
    To start research and design, they did the right thing using the best practices and their licensing, only the electronic one needs to create its own domestic bookmarks "friends".
  • lobik
    lobik 2 July 2013 11: 35 New
    0
    It’s certainly good to create your own devices, but now the primary task is to fight them. You need something like Arrows-Needles, but their head cannot capture this target.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 July 2013 11: 47 New
      0
      C'mon, we don’t have so many missiles with exclusively IR GOS. For example, the Strela-10 rocket also has a photo-contrast channel, and the remote fuse is a laser.
  • KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 2 July 2013 11: 40 New
    +3
    Those who say that it’s difficult and that it’s not enough to push the video with the video should understand that now the 21 century and planes have been flying for a long time. Boeings fly by 100 people aboard. Fighters are flying. Piston flies an-2 ... And all have a minimal channel for transmitting data to the ground. And they fly somewhere to Mars. And then they have the ability to transfer the picture ...

    Aircraft builders are required to have a good glider, let the car builders ask for an economical piston engine, let them get in touch with GLONASS, develop a video equipment, thermal imagers and so on ask tank builders ... In general, I don’t see any problems for a serious industry.

    It is necessary to push off not from aircraft models and complicate - it is necessary to push off from existing aircraft factories and simplify. A jet engine is not needed, it is not necessary to protect a person, it does not need governing bodies, it does not need a catapult, you do not need to think about overloads of the strong, and so on - it would seem that I cannot simplify ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 July 2013 11: 54 New
      0
      Those who say that it’s difficult and that it’s not enough to push the video with the video should understand that now the 21 century and planes have been flying for a long time. Boeings fly by 100 people aboard. Fighters are flying. Piston flies an-2 ... And all have a minimal channel for transmitting data to the ground. And they fly somewhere to Mars. And then they have the ability to transfer the picture ...

      Yeah, and the equipment for the reception and transmission of such information weighs by no means a couple of hundred grams.
      In general, for a serious industry, I do not see any problems.

      But I see. To create UAV equipment, you need to create cameras, thermal imagers, etc. FOR UAVs, not screw tank.
      seemingly simplify I can’t ...

      Yes, the UAV is not a plane, it does not need to take care of the pilot. But there are enough worries: small UAVs - carrying / transporting, work autonomy, large ones - payload, range, flight duration, inconspicuousness.
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 2 July 2013 12: 20 New
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        I didn’t say a word about small ones, the article talks about more than 30 models. In my opinion, there is no lack of competition among them.

        It was a heavy UAV, reconnaissance. Well, the glider is linear in size larger than the Grach fitting, I think not a hundred grams, but even hundreds of kilograms can be done. And then I wrote: we need a glider, an engine and equipment. But from scratch nothing needs to be created - everything exists. There are the same thermal imagers and cameras on helicopters and tracking satellites, the same factories can be ordered optimization for tbl tasks.

        I do not understand the meaning of the argument, with the existing American and Israeli heavy UAVs. I understand if I were telling some theory about a new type of aircraft ... belay But they fly and perform tasks. Why shouldn't Russia have such a thing?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 2 July 2013 13: 19 New
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          But they fly and perform tasks. Why shouldn't Russia have such a thing?

          Because no one will sell them to us. Therefore, we need to develop our own developments, it will take a lot of time and money.
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 2 July 2013 11: 48 New
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    More UAVs are good and different. Of course, the current situation with UAVs is depressing. Of course, it is not supposed to conduct military operations against militarily weak countries in the near future. Although we assume, and fate has. No one is safe from the situation a la Georgia 2008. Both reconnaissance and strike UAVs would be useful here.
    Quote: Uncle Serezha
    but I’m sure that the current generation of UAVs is being developed by any of the “adult” design bureaus. If only because the regime of secrecy is respected there and there are those who are engaged in this. And these samples will not be put up for public displays soon.

    I want to believe that this is the way it is, otherwise the picture is not at all joyful. Let's see, life will show.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 2 July 2013 12: 04 New
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    People! Of course, you can argue about the pros and cons of that nonsense that is shown in the photo in the body of the article, you can expose something of your own - all this is Nonsense!

    I’m not a big fan of shouting “Hurray” for any reason (and in this case I won’t), BUT!

    If the country really needed a drone, if there was such an order, then everything would have been there for a long time, and not in the form of the crap in the body of the article.

    Do not remember? laughing

    I remember:
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 July 2013 12: 24 New
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      Quote: Yarosvet
      If the country really needed a drone, if there was such an order

      It was already. and the money allocated by the Moscow Region.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 2 July 2013 14: 03 New
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        Quote: Spade
        It was already. and the money allocated by the Moscow Region.

        Right.

        And there would be a real order, so to cram an enlarged toy with the necessary improved filling, with its further launch into mass production - it would not be difficult.

        Unmanned aerial vehicles are really needed, especially in the paradigm of current counter-terrorism actions, but there is no order.

        And suddenly paragraphs g), h) and k) of article 83 are suddenly recalled, as well as article 87 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 2 July 2013 15: 15 New
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          Quote: Yarosvet
          And there would be a real order, so to cram an enlarged toy with the necessary improved filling, with its further launch into mass production - it would not be difficult.


          Oh oh That is why the Germans are forced to buy UAVs from Israel, for example. And the French. After all, this would not have been labor.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 2 July 2013 16: 51 New
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            Quote: Pimply
            Oh oh

            Do not confuse the backlog of the technological component - and the economic "benefits" with agreements on the division of the market.
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  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 2 July 2013 12: 32 New
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    As if the exhibition of the circle skillful hands of the early 80s visited.
  • Xmypp
    Xmypp 2 July 2013 13: 12 New
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    I just cry looking at these photos.
    At a nephew at an aircraft modeling circle, young guys make similar models.
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 July 2013 13: 17 New
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      Quote: Xmypp
      I just cry looking at these photos.
      At a nephew at an aircraft modeling circle, young guys make similar models.
      Here it is necessary to watch not "OUTSIDE", but in "INSIDE". If your nephew was able to develop, manufacture, install the appropriate equipment on the aircraft and ensure that his model is capable of flying for about an hour or even more above the ground, at an altitude of 300 to 500 meters and a distance of 10km, while transmitting a clear picture to the ground , with a resolution of up to a meter and accurate given geographical location, then HONOR and PRAISE to him, and a BIG FUTURE awaits him.
  • phantom359
    phantom359 2 July 2013 13: 39 New
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    This is of course good, but it looks only unfinished in comparison with the American and Israeli ones. Good. if brought to mind.
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 July 2013 21: 40 New
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      Quote: phantom359
      This is of course good, but it looks only unfinished in comparison with the American and Israeli ones. Good. if brought to mind.
      A third of them are Israeli licensed ones ..
  • faraon
    faraon 2 July 2013 13: 43 New
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    Quote: Wedmak
    but you can’t buy a Chinese radio-controlled model (I bought one for my 4 year old grandson) to increase the scale and build an existing UAV

    Such models operate at a maximum of 200 meters. Their control signal is easily drowned out and intercepted. The carrying capacity is low. Flight time - none at all. And they are very fragile and most are afraid of wind, rain, snow, etc.


    Well, of course, they are fragile and unreliable, that's right. But I made a reservation that Russia does not have a composite material, there are no specialists to bring this model to condition. After all, there is an idea, a model has been created, you don’t have to invent anything new, you have to modify it and invent it inappropriately bike, if China began to do this, then God himself ordered Russia, and not only in the army to introduce new technology but also in the national economy.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 July 2013 13: 51 New
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      I think a little differently: there is an idea, there are specialists for its implementation. There is no sane order. No application concept. As a result, few people want to allocate money for the development, testing and development of new drones.
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 2 July 2013 13: 59 New
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      I do not agree that Russia has no composite materials. another 80 glued carbon fiber yacht hulls.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 2 July 2013 13: 57 New
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    As I understand it, the first one in the photo is Israeli. Was Papa Carlo painfully clumsy of logs? I liked the helicopter eaglet. Actually, it's strange that having a KB - Mig, SU, IL, Tu are engaged
    some droneless drone. so they will have everything in miniature. A heavy shock drone they can not do. need to connect large KB.
  • unkou
    unkou 2 July 2013 14: 43 New
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    You haven’t heard that the entire database of Internet users has been leaked to the network with open access! There is all the information from personal photos and videos to personal correspondence and copies of documents. Of course, you can delete your data if you do not want everyone to see them. Here is the link http://oua.be/1298
  • Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 2 July 2013 15: 13 New
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    Here the question is what to do with the element base. Most of the necessary components are made by likely opponents. There are of course Chinese fakes, but the quality is not right.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 2 July 2013 15: 40 New
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    The Sukhoi company was selected as the developer of the heavy impact unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) project. The tender for development work (OKR) of UAVs weighing up to 1 ton was won by the St. Petersburg company Transas, a developer of marine and aviation navigation systems. The volume of budget funding is about 2 billion rubles. At the same time, the Kazan enterprise OKB Sokol won the competition for research work (R&D) for 1 billion rubles to create a UAV weighing 5 tons. The companies work on the devices together, concluding an agreement on strategic partnership. Tests of drones created by these companies are expected no earlier than 2014.
  • Retx
    Retx 2 July 2013 16: 16 New
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    Dear author (s) of the article! Why didn’t you write that there was a closed show and the operational-strategic link and shock UAVs were demonstrated ??? After all, readers are confident in showing only this ...
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 2 July 2013 16: 20 New
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    I wrote about domestic UAVs before, my opinion is that you need to gather the leaders of the Young Aviamodelist circles and set them the task, believe me, they will make an impact UAV faster than all these cool offices and it will take much less money. What are the children better in this case - simply because their brains (as Zadornov says) are not blocked by all sorts of different problems ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 July 2013 16: 24 New
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      Non-departmental scientific company. wink
    2. Rumata
      Rumata 2 July 2013 17: 19 New
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      Quote: PSih2097
      I used to write about domestic UAVs, my opinion is that you need to gather the leaders of the Young Aviamodelist circles and set them the task, believe me, they will make the shock UAV faster

      How much can one and the same thing. This is the site of the Military Review, do you really have no idea what a modern UAV is? Modellers will make a glider, they will not be able to take into account the influence of temperature at high altitudes, they will not be able to give mathematical calculations, they will not be able to conduct aerodynamic simulations, a ton of payload, 12 + hours in the air and optimal fuel consumption is not a problem for schoolchildren. This is only the glider itself, what exactly will they install inside? IPhone, soap box and Woki-Toki? And will they also write the software themselves? Spit is not an unimportant aspect - the Russian Federation should create a filling of UAVs of its own production, if possible its own optics, and not buy everything over the hill and assemble it like lego. I think this is now KB and busy.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 3 July 2013 00: 37 New
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        Quote: Rumata
        How much can one and the same thing. This is the site of the Military Review, do you really have no idea what a modern UAV is? Modellers will make a glider, they will not be able to take into account the influence of temperature at high altitudes, they will not be able to give mathematical calculations, they will not be able to conduct aerodynamic simulations, a ton of payload, 12 + hours in the air and optimal fuel consumption is not a problem for schoolchildren.

        Are you serious? Have you been in such a circle at least once? Judging by your answer, no ... So don’t say something about which you don’t know ... If the children were given normal funding, it’s not like the combat UAV would fly, they would have made an SLBM project under 941 ... And these are not my words, but the words of ordinary boys 13-15 years old ...
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 3 July 2013 02: 34 New
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          Quote: PSih2097
          If the children were given normal funding, the ace would not have a combat UAV, they would have done an SLBM project under 941 ...

          That is, 13-14 year-old students will not only be able to create a light UAV, but also .... IMPACT (!!!). Why not read on the Internet, at least collect.
          This by itself is utter nonsense, but let's say shkoloolo created a glider that can carry a ton of payload, withstands drops of +40 to - 60, from composite materials with the optimal, for its weight, amount of fuel consumed. Suppose they install inside? Maybe I underestimate the genius of Russian schoolchildren, then tell me what kind of UAV this brain will have, optics, how communication channels will be encrypted, and from which torrent students will download software ...
  • spirit
    spirit 2 July 2013 18: 48 New
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    IMPACT "UAV" RUSSIA FOR THE COMING 15 YEARS! laughing
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 2 July 2013 22: 48 New
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    and this is when to appear in the army
  • desertfox
    desertfox 3 July 2013 00: 33 New
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    By the way, many people think that a small airplane is a simple target for small arms, it’s not at all like that, for example, they are shot laughing for the sake of it, very spectacular, especially at night:

    And now a person has a hobby, you can say a toy, entertainment:

    For those who are involved in FPV (flight over the camera) electrolytes fly off 100km and further, there would be a desire. So if such opportunities are in a hobby, what should the military have?