Demonstration of new Russian UAVs

On June 28, 2013, a demonstration of unmanned aerial vehicles to the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense took place at the training ground in Alabino near Moscow. aviation systems of various types and classes offered by Russian industrial enterprises.

22 companies brought to the range about 30 units of UAV systems. The leadership of the Ministry of Defense of Russia had the opportunity not only to familiarize themselves with these systems on a static platform, but also to evaluate their real work when imitating hostilities.

Forpost unmanned vehicle (IAI Searcher Mk II), which is assembled under license from the Israeli company IAI at the UZGA plant in Yekaterinburg (c) Denis Fedutinov

DPLA "Bee" modernized complex "Stroy-PD" (c) Denis Fedutinov

The Tipchak drone of the Tipchak complex, created by the “Vega” concern, has been harshly criticized by the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense (c) Denis Fedutinov

General Novikov, head of the UAV’s General Staff UAV’s Directorate of the General Staff, reports information on the Zastava (IAI Bird Eye 400) UAV, which is assembled under an IAI license at UZGA in Yekaterinburg (c) Denis Fedutinov

The moment of the start of the mini-UAV "Orlan" developed by the STC company from St. Petersburg (c) Denis Fedutinov

Helicopter "Eaglet" - a possible platform for the creation of UAVs (c) Denis Fedutinov

The leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense meets the S-100 (Schiebel Camcopter S-100) S Horizon Air system, which is assembled under license from the Austrian Schiebel company at the Horizon enterprise in Rostov-on-Don (c) Denis Fedutinov

Multi-rotor mini-UAVs of vertical take-off / landing of the Moscow company NELK (c) Denis Fedutinov

The drone of the "Eleron" family of the Kazan company "Enix" recently passed State tests through the Ministry of Defense of Russia (c) Denis Fedutinov

UAV control point (s) Vadim Savitsky

Presentation of reports (c) Vadim Savitsky

Comments

[Wedmak]

They gave a kick, went development, the introduction of the troops. But the variety is striking. True, heavy not yet to be seen.

[Refund_SSSR]

The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR ...
There is not a single serious machine of our project, and this is depressing ...
Although shout out hurray! I do not interfere ... Your right

[Wedmak]

The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR

Something I doubt that in the circles of modellers they made UAVs with video cameras and GPS. And they flew for 15 minutes, no more.

[Refund_SSSR]

Quote: Wedmak

Something I doubt that UAVs with cameras and GPS were made in the circles of modellers

I beg of you!
UAV with camera and GPS! In our time !!! How difficult!!
(BUT SO CHILDREN did! TWENTY-FIVE OR THIRTY YEARS BACK!)

[Wedmak]

UAV with camera and GPS! In our time !!! How difficult!!

Screwdriver in your hands and go.
The difficulty is not in installing the camera and the GPS sensor on the airplane, the difficulty in transferring data from these devices to the ground.

[domokl]

Quote: Wedmak

The difficulty is not in installing the camera and the GPS sensor on the airplane, the difficulty in transferring data from these devices to the ground.

But then gliders are copying ... And data transmission right now is not difficult ...

[Wedmak]

And data transmission right now is not difficult ...

It depends on which gear. You do not want the enemy to accept data sent from the UAV, too? Hence the encryption of data, hence the encryption of the control signal, etc. But this is not as simple as putting a home router with Wi-Fi.

[Canep]

Quote: Wedmak

But this is not so simple as putting a home router with Wi-Fi.

Home WIFI also encrypts by the way and sends and receives. Here you only need to write a program, the Samsung smartphone will fit the database, it already has GPS, Wi-Fi, a camera (some and more than one), as well as a powerful computer.

[Wedmak]

Samsung smartphone is suitable for the base, it already has GPS, Wi-Fi, a camera (some and more than one)

And buy all the smartphones of Samsung? No, you can twist the device on something left, but only it will work just as crookedly.

[Ivan.]

Quote: domokl

Quote: Wedmak

The difficulty is not in installing the camera and the GPS sensor on the airplane, the difficulty in transferring data from these devices to the ground.

But then gliders are copying ... And data transmission right now is not difficult ...

Well, yes, the gliders of DRY and MIGs are the best in the world, it hurts to copy the glider. Difficulties are certainly with the creation of a small propulsion system with UAV "brains" to which strict requirements for the configuration and, in general, miniaturization must be presented to which our industry has never aspired. And the software is certainly difficult.

[bubla5]

In our day, complexity, as one horse said, don’t tell my horseshoes, just nobody needs it, the developments were in the 80s in Kazan, now this constructor in Israel

[Pimply]

The first Israeli UAVs took to the air in the early 70s. In the military-industrial complex of Israel, there are very few Russian-speaking engineers of the Russian school.

[Airman]

Quote: Pimply

The first Israeli UAVs took to the air in the early 70s. In the military-industrial complex of Israel, there are very few Russian-speaking engineers of the Russian school.

Extremely few, but they are all leading.

[itkul]

Quote: Wedmak

Screwdriver in your hands and go.
The difficulty is not in installing the camera and the GPS sensor on the airplane, the difficulty in transferring data from these devices to the ground

Come on, like the quadrocopter in the picture, the finished one is in the store 14650r, with two video cameras and WI-FI, it would be better if they bought from the Chinese and not mastered the money. In general, it seems until our scientists are driven into camps, like under Beria, there will be no sense

http://murmansk.dns-shop.ru/catalog/i156888/parrot-ardrone-20.html

[Wedmak]

This is a toy, no more.
The radius of work from the remote control is 50 m. SUPER !!!
Battery life 12 minutes SUPER !!!
And how is things going with the encryption of the control channel and the video signal, I won’t even ask.
And if you increase it for greater autonomy and range, how much will it weigh in the end and what will this monster look like? Not to mention the fact that such a quadrocopter is an excellent target for small arms.

[ATATA]

Quote: itkul

In general, one gets the impression until our scientists are driven into camps, as under Beria, there will be no sense

This is "Truth is Truth" (C)
Scientists in closed design bureaus (like Tupolev at one time and not only him) of the leaders of our scientists to the wall!

[Lopatov]

It’s just that the camera is already out of date. Gyrostabilized platforms with sensors and laser devices that allow you to determine the coordinates of targets and highlight them. And instead of the ZhPS sensor, inertial navigation systems with satellite correction are used. Determining not only the coordinates of the UAV, but also the azimuth of the axis of the device.

The Israelis began to set on their already multispectral sensors.

[Refund_SSSR]

Quote: Wedmak

Screwdriver in your hands and go.

And can everyone be engaged in the matter which is trained? AND?
And please, don’t have to tell me what to do and I don’t have to tell you where to go

[Danafxnumx]

Well then maybe you will not give advice to professionals who are trained in this ...
if you yourself admit that you don’t understand anything about this?

[Refund_SSSR]

Another one...
Where am I giving to anyone? and?
And where did I say that I do not understand anything in aircraft modeling?
What today is such a day ... an aggravation of some kind among the people ...

[Wedmak]

Sorry, but you are so reasoning, how simple it is, that the idea has appeared that you are doing this.
I look from my bell tower as an engineer for information systems (computer systems, systems and networks). So, at first it seems that everything is simple, but as you begin to go into details, so many problems get out that at least stand, even fall.

[Refund_SSSR]

yes, I’m tasting ... I am engaged in amateur photo and video shooting, including aerial panoramas from a quadrocopter, including at slow shutter speeds, and for this it is necessary to ensure sooooo much greater stability of the copra in the air and an offset of only a millimeter will give lubrication .. .. and this is not trampling the keys on the forum
But to ensure autonomy and the duration of a continuous flight are completely different tasks, and they haven’t fallen to my side ... somehow.

[Wedmak]

And it seems to me that my technique, if I bring it to the required parameters, also competes with these "miracle agents for billions"

I would only FOR, bring, represent in MO, open a factory, supply. But you know what prevents you from doing this seriously and presenting a serious model?

[Refund_SSSR]

So I already said, I do not receive grants for billions and do not arrange grandiose displays of any SLAG under the guise of modern military equipment.
I am a simple Russian engineer-designer-technologist, who is sick with the sky and amateur photography, I did not graduate from the right universities and do not intend to compete with specialists who are not peculiar to me, but I’ll shut up my belt.
So let everyone do their own thing and do it RESPONSIBLY!
And all this farce is a betrayal of the motherland by saw cutters and embezzlers ...

[Wedmak]

So let everyone do their own thing and do it RESPONSIBLY!

With all limbs FOR.

[Refund_SSSR]

I'm glad I understood each other

[Zerstorer]

Recall about FPV flights.

[12061973]

and without a lot of a millionth budget.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Wedmak

And they flew for 15 minutes, no more.

For information for consideration, aircraft modellers of the USSR by Jan 1. 1974 set 20 world records out of 43 officially registered by International Aviation. Federation (FAI)

including the flight duration of the model 25 hours 44 m 08 sec. flight altitude - 8208 m.

[aviator_IAS]

Quote: Vadivak

For information for consideration, aircraft modellers of the USSR by Jan 1. 1974 set 20 world records out of 43 officially registered by International Aviation. Federation (FAI)

including the flight duration of the model 25 hours 44 m 08 sec. flight altitude - 8208 m.

Yes, and it was a huge reserve for the education of real designers. There were thousands of circles: air, ship, rocket-model. If children's technical technical work (including aircraft modeling) had not been curtailed in the 90s, things would have been much better with drones. Designers are not born. They always start small.

[Tatar]

what bad children were, that 30 years ago they didn’t think of a camera and put JoPeS. In the Union, Buran was automatically put into orbit, but now billions are being allocated to bring a children's toy to mind. regrettably.

[Pimply]

That same children's toy is much more difficult to equip and launch than a huge multi-ton Buran.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Pimply

That same children's toy is much more difficult to equip and launch than a huge multi-ton Buran.

Zhenya, you're wrong. Do you think flying into space is both cheaper and easier

[Pimply]

No. Not cheaper and easier. But in this particular situation, those technologies that were used for unmanned Buran’s flight are different from those used for modern UAVs. Which, however, does not detract from the achievements in launching the Buran.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Pimply

But in this particular situation, those technologies are different

But then it should not be tied to Buran, these are different things, they are united by only one name - unmanned

[Canep]

What do you argue, find a student-programmer, a student-aircraft designer, and a student-electronics engineer, preferably with good grades, give them money (you don’t even need access to high technology), and they are a normal drone from the smartphone of an electric motor and an additional battery for a year not only will design but also do. And it will be controlled via the Internet. And if you add a satellite phone there, you can fly anywhere.

[Wedmak]

They’ll do it, I don’t argue. A couple of copies, and then spare parts run out because no one produces them.

[Canep]

Not so smartphones will stop selling so sharply. Not long ago there was a case, the mattress-beds of our former citizens were tied up in the dual-use electronics trade, and the fact that the Yabloko people around the world sell a ready-made cruise missile control unit with the name iPhone didn’t interest their special services.

[Wedmak]

Not so smartphones will stop selling so sharply.

The term of active sales of smartphones is a couple of years, then the next model. Will we also redo the UAV?

and the fact that the Yabloko people around the world are selling a ready-made control unit for a cruise missile with the name iPhone did not interest their special services.

Share the mushrooms please. Or what do you smoke there.

[Canep]

I do not smoke mushrooms
But seriously, building an unmanned aerial vehicle from ready-made units will not be difficult, just as composing a control program from ready-made procedures. And the fact that these smartphones are quickly becoming obsolete and new ones come to replace them is not a problem, manufacturers will release components while they have orders. You are not going to buy components for a serial car at the bazaar.
And as for the finished block, judge for yourself what is in the background and Tamagavka.
GPS - there is both there and there, and a computer in the background is more powerful at times. I don’t know if there is a cruise missile in a video camera. Add the drive to your iPhone and you're done.

[Wedmak]

But seriously, building an unmanned aerial vehicle from ready-made units will not be difficult, just as composing a control program from ready-made procedures.

Yes, but where to get these same blocks and procedures?

this is not a problem, manufacturers will release components while they have orders

But it must be our manufacturers. Definitely.

And as for the finished block, judge for yourself what is in the i-background and Tamagavka. GPS - is both there and there, and the computer in the i-background is more powerful at times. I don’t know if there is a cruise missile in a video camera.

So you can call any smartphone. But still in the rocket is specialized electronics, sharpened for one purpose. Therefore, great power there is not required.

Add the drive to your iPhone and you're done.

I remembered the film "Iron Sky". There was such a precedent.

[Canep]

Quote: Wedmak

But it must be our manufacturers. Definitely.

I think that now in many modern Russian electronic units there are Chinese microcircuits. It’s easier, cheaper and faster. And in Soviet electronics, the vast majority used our analogues of their microcircuits. And the reason for this was the lack of Chinese electronics, and the ban on the supply of dual-purpose microcircuits to the USSR (i.e. almost everything), and the desire to be independent of the West.

[Ivan.]

Quote: Canep

Not so smartphones will stop selling so sharply. Not long ago there was a case, the mattress-beds of our former citizens were tied up in the dual-use electronics trade, and the fact that the Yabloko people around the world sell a ready-made cruise missile control unit with the name iPhone didn’t interest their special services.

This iPhone is the unmanned vehicle (variety) for which the test subjects themselves pay and therefore the enemy special services are clearing the way for it to the masses! Let's also "integrate" it into our law enforcement agencies. It is known that the Internet is a dual-purpose project, of which there is a lot of evidence, and everything that revolves around it.

[Wedmak]

It is known that the Internet is a dual-use project, a lot of evidence of which, and everything that revolves around it.

Anything can now be called a dual-use project - even a table fork.
And an iPhone, when viewed from the side of functionality, is a brick for pulling money from people. Although yes, it can call.

[Ivan.]

Quote: Wedmak

Anything can now be called a dual-use project - even a table fork.

I had in mind the idea originally laid down in the creation of the Internet and financing by interested parties from which, in general, globalization began. Puppeteers always knew that it was easier to win by putting certain ideas in the masses. The Internet was seen as a means of delivery and control, secondly, for making money (as a cover and "self-sufficiency" at the expense of the victims themselves, which the aggressors have always sinned about). And the fact that the need for invention is cunning and can create a weapon even from a toothpick is even a schoolboy will say.

[Wedmak]

The Internet was seen as a means of delivery and control, secondly, for making money (as a cover and "self-sufficiency" at the expense of the victims themselves, which the aggressors have always sinned about).

We were taught that the Internet was primarily created for the transmission of information - ARPANET ... It was unlikely then that they hoped that the Internet would become such an influential media. Yes, actually, he only became so after the invention of the Web. I still managed to work in Fido when she was already dying. But it was very interesting.

[Ivan.]

Quote: Wedmak

It was unlikely then that the Internet would become such an influential media.

Shortsighted. People wondered if there was life on Mars long before the first aircraft and not just a spacecraft. Initially, the Internet could be considered as a way of transferring data, and if they continued to think so, it would not have received the funding and the "green street" that it had in reality. It's the same story with sotikas. Someone thinks that this is a portable phone, but in fact it is a network for the delivery of manipulation technologies through sound, amy, audio-video information encoded and without encoding.

[Rumata]

Quote: Ivan.

Someone believes that this is a portable phone, but in fact it is a network for the delivery of technology for manipulating through sound, amy, audio-video information encoded and without encoding.

[Wedmak]

Initially, the Internet could be considered as a way of transferring data, and if they continued to think so, it would not have received the funding and the "green street" that it had in reality.

I also received it. At that time, the problem of storing and transmitting large amounts of information arose.

Someone believes that this is a portable phone, but in fact it is a network for the delivery of technology for manipulating through sound, amy, audio-video information encoded and without encoding.

Here I do not agree with you. This is only a means of communication in the first place. And whoever considers it as a means of manipulation ... well ... let him consider it.

[Pimply]

I don’t bind

[ultra]

They definitely differ! Buran made a flight and landed completely autonomously, it is in this direction that the UAV develops (the operator will have only control functions), and this has already been implemented on Buran.

[ultra]

Quote: Pimply

That same children's toy is much more difficult to equip and launch than a huge multi-ton Buran.

A very "thoughtful" remark!

[Lopatov]

And what is easier, to create one device, or at least 270 working sets of "children's toys"?

[Pimply]

Refute.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Pimply

Refute.

Prove it.

[Pimply]

For the 1000th time the same thing? Thank you, I prefer to spend time on something else. Proof of the won 5 billion rubles spent several years ago without a visible result.

[Phantom Revolution]

Well, you started this conversation and you knew that there would be such questions.

[pensioner]

Quote: Wedmak

And they flew for 15 minutes, no more.

3 minutes have flown by. Once. Then to the trash. It was so insulting ... Model "Mosquito". 5 months doing. they thought it would fall into the snow, and he was a bastard in a thawed, but not thawed bump. Almost the only one on the field ...

[series]

Quote: Wedmak

Something I doubt that in the circles of modellers they made UAVs with video cameras and GPS. And they flew for 15 minutes, no more.

This refers to the flight technical characteristics of the model. And if you put video and GPS on models from the Palace of Pioneers of the USSR, they will even be cheaper!

[Wedmak]

And if you put video and GPS on models from the Palace of Pioneers of the USSR, then they will even be cheaper!

I doubt very much.

[seller trucks]

Quote: Wedmak

Something I doubt that in the circles of modellers they made UAVs with video cameras and GPS.

as well?

[Wedmak]

They killed .. on the spot. I forgot about this gorgeous cartoon.

[Pimply]

This is not a drone, this is a mouse controlled by 8)

[Wedmak]

This is not a drone, this is a mouse controlled by 8)

But she is unmanned !!!! And they control all the drones.

[Edward72]

It is flawless that most are licensed, but as Wedmak wrote, something kicked off.

[Uncle Serozha]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR

I am absolutely convinced that our developers will not demonstrate serious UAVs (including drums) at open displays. What is shown - either mini-class devices or licensed - everyone knows about the presence of the latter. So this is not a demonstration of a UAV, but rather a demonstration of blah blah blah.
As for shock drones, there were developments on them back in the days of the USSR. There was a Tupolev strike complex based on the "Reis", armed with the KMGU. I saw the prototype in 93. Of course, everything has changed since then, but I am sure that the current generation of UAVs is being developed by some of the "adult" design bureaus. If only because the secrecy regime is observed there and there are those who are engaged in this. And these samples will not be put up for open screenings soon.

[domokl]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR ...

Even more. My father made of rails and tissue paper, using gum from underpants such UAVs made a sight for sore eyes. And his father also taught him. In the circles of aircraft models there were great developments.
It's just that modern youth got used to buying everything, forgot how to do it with their hands ...

[Suhov]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

The same variety was in the circles of the USSR modellers ... There is not a single serious machine of our project, and this is depressing ...

Your comparison is humiliatingly for former members of the circles of young aircraft modellers of the USSR.

[Canep]

Yes, it seems you are right that the circle did better, in any case, their products were more like planes.

[series]

depressing lag even from China!
they have been "pushing water in a mortar" since 08.08.08 ...
5 years - "down the tail"! (((
and samples - at the level of aircraft modeling in the USSR
"MiG" and "Sukhoi" this "model airplane" in figs "not the kind of money to strain", helicopter pilots - "here's a sample, just leave me alone!"
the rest are self-made "from the Palace of PionErov" (MVTU, MAI) ....
Amers "shuttle-drones" for years in orbit will test ...
The Chinese launched a "stealth drone" from the deck ...
"The system needs to be changed - it's rotten ...!"

[PSih2097]

Quote: We refund_SSSR

There is not a single serious machine of our project, and this is depressing ...

and the UAV from the DOZOR-600 (Dozor-3) transas?
Dozor-600 (Dozor-3) is a Russian reconnaissance and strike unmanned aerial vehicle. Developed by Transas. Belongs to the class of heavy medium-altitude UAVs of long duration and flight range.
UAV Dozor-600 is built according to the normal aerodynamic scheme. Take-off and landing are made on an airplane. The Dozor 600 is powered by a Rotax 914 four-stroke piston engine.

Functionally, the casing of the device is divided into 3 compartments:

The bow is occupied by navigation and control systems.
In the middle part there is a fuel tank.
The tail part consists of a power supply system and a power plant.

Payload of the Dozor-600 complex for receiving data:

radar (front and side radar with synthesized aperture),
optical thermal imaging (video camera and thermal imager)
photographic (high-resolution camera with interchangeable lenses)

Also on board Dozor-600 is located:

auto tracking and target designation system,
a system for transmitting photo, video, radar and thermal imaging images,
system for archiving and storing information on board.

Take-off weight, kg .:
640.00
Range, km .:
3 700.00
Speed, km / h:
210.00
Practical ceiling, m .:
7 500.00
Length, m .:
6,7
Height, m.:
2,3
Wing span, m .:
12
Payload, kg .:
220
Engine:
914 hp Rotax 115
Flight Duration, h: 30

[Rustam]

I still saw this miracle in 2009, then what? except for poster displays

I haven’t heard about him anymore, about passing tests, tests, etc.

where is the scat that we have been given so much? where 5 billion rubles allocated for the development of patriotic blah-where bought another house in Monaco


I say again, only the theft of technology, or at least working with Israel in obtaining Girona and already based on them, go ahead, but you need a starting point to start

[Reasonable, 2,3]

We need heavy drummers, but what is shown the day before yesterday. "Bee" - yes she is 40 years old.

[Apologet.Ru]

"Bee" - yes she is 40 years old.

We need a platform and more than one! After all, the Su-27 is also "not a boy" ...

[Retx]

They showed what is possible. There was a closed show with heavy UAVs, reconnaissance and strike assignment

[Apologet.Ru]

And pay attention, colleagues, how many chiefs, there are so many types of uniforms, even militarized baseball caps are present, it’s good that you didn’t put on a pin-cap with shirts and ties for a vole ...

[Apologet.Ru]

And of course, I would like to hope that if Defense Minister Shaigu personally took control of the case, then it will move forward.

[Rustam]

We still do not have anything similar to compete in TTX even with the Israeli Searcher Mk II, 90s development.


where is the ramp about which so burst on the previous max? where are the 5 billion rubles that were once allocated to the VEGA concern? And they created the super miracle Tipchak? which safely fell in Ossetia in 2008 after the start, frightening its soldiers and strangers with its sound.

And something similar to the state predators or Israeli gherons, we probably would not have expected 20 years, we like China


ps- by the way, our Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation really wants to get the Israeli Heron-Shoigu interested in the multipurpose unmanned aerial vehicle "Heron", which can be used in the strike version. However, representatives of an Israeli company complained that the authorities did not allow them to supply the entire product line to Russia. “But we will achieve such permission,” the company representative assured.

[domokl]

Quote: Rustam

We still do not have anything similar to compete in TTX even with the Israeli Searcher Mk II, 90s development.

Arms exhibition will be held soon in Omsk. Preparation is in full swing. Here they will show that we are actually issuing the defense industry complex. Not the screwdriver assembly companies, namely our developments.

[Rustam]

domok
Here they will show what the defense industry is really giving us now
___________

I have seen enough of these shows, and in the end, there’s no reason to not show them at exhibitions, but show my samples in practice on tests

Why reinvent the wheel? There is a Predator (UAV MQ-9) that is terrifying all over the world, so let our services work on the extraction of technology (in the USSR they would have gotten it a long time ago)

because we are 15 years behind, for sure, until we catch up they will still go ahead

[Vadivak]

Quote: Rustam

Why reinvent the wheel

Indeed, we will pump oil and buy foreign weapons, and we will send our brains over the hill as unnecessary

[Rustam]

Vadivak
buy foreign weapons
_________
It was about the Predator and the Reaper, nobody will ever sell it to us (I said specifically about military espionage)

as was done in the USSR, where the special departments of the KGB and the GRU searched around the world for both military and civilian technologies.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Rustam

as was done in the USSR, where the special departments of the KGB and the GRU searched around the world for both military and civilian technologies.

Rustam, there is no longer the USSR. I don’t want to talk about the rest

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Rustam

It was about the Predator and the Reaper, nobody will ever sell it to us (I said specifically about military espionage)

Why's that? It would be a desire and willingness to overpay, or at worst - negotiate, pay and get knocked down and caught for you - there would be a wish (and you can dig into the stuffing as much as you like - our techies have always perfectly improved).

Another thing is that for some, a patent is more important than the interests of the country (in the understanding of the majority).

[Rustam]

Why's that? It would be a desire
____________
And what did I talk about above? Officially, do not get it, by illegal means, please always

That's what you need to mine, and not show models with cheap home cameras
Israeli Setcher 2 (outpost) of the 90s surpassed in TTX all that New that was shown by Shoigu, an acre of Austrian unmanned helicopters and the Israeli short-range complex

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Rustam

That's what you need to mine, and not show models with cheap home cameras

[Pimply]

Heron is good. But the probability of copying technologies and falling into the hands of regimes that are unfriendly to Israel is too high.

[itkul]

Quote: Rustam

We still do not have anything similar to compete in TTX even with the Israeli Searcher Mk II, 90s development.

And what about the M-55 "Geophysics", can it really not be adapted for a shock drone

[B_KypTke]

Yes, the plane is beautiful and climbs up to nearly 30 km., But you look at the time of its barrage ... 40-50 minutes. Pogosyan put him to death.

[itkul]

Quote: B_KypTke

but you look at the time of his barrage ... 40-50 min

And on Wikipedia

maximum flight range at 17000 m: 5 km
Duration of flight at 17000 m: 6,5 hours

yes and here it is written
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/spy/m55.html

And then the Russians proved to Europe that our M-55 Geofizika high-altitude aircraft is no worse and even better than the American one in many respects. After all, it can perform a long (up to 6 hours) flight at an altitude of 19-21 km. Its maximum payload is up to 2000 kg,

[Aaron Zawi]

Unfortunately, there is little chance of such a deal. Israel has quite good relations with the Russian Federation, but not allied ones either. Well, you can imagine the sale to Israel of "Yakhont" or "Favorite".

[Tatb]

This is all complete! Sorry for directness, Given our potential, we should have devices not less than! The blizzard flew into space itself! PAXFA T-50. HOW they say he is capable of returning to the airfield if the pilot is killed or injured. in the end, our code loafers roamed the moon motrasniki could not even dream of such achievements in the field of control at such a height

[itkul]

Quote: TATb

Given our potential, we should have devices not worse than that!

Well, how would we see our potential in the pictures at the beginning of the article, and so I would attach several guided missiles to the finished M-55 glider and remove the pilot, and that’s the finished strike UAV

[Grigorich 1962]

the appearance of our generals in this form ... sorry collective farm .... although I admit that people are doing the right thing ... it is gratifying to hear

[politruk419]

Grigorich, leave me alone; they are busy with business!

[Grigorich 1962]

good ... good .... the thing is necessary .... and the people have a serious look ... but the form ... take a closer look ... who is what much .... and the headdress ... is ... like demobilization ... soviet .... you need something more serious

[Nevsky]

The 1st, 6th, 7th and 8th photos deserve attention, the rest is slightly better than the level of aero-model circles. There is progress, albeit insignificant, and it pleases.

Ahhh, in the end, the listed photos, except for a helicopter, a foreign production?

[Basileus]

Our production seems to be localized. But the cars are foreign (hello to the haters).

[Vadivak]

Quote: Basileus

Our production seems to be localized. But the cars are foreign (hello to the haters).

Well flowed

Bee Yakovlevskaya, Aileron - "ENICS", Orlenok - "Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise", Orlan-Developed by the Russian company "Special Technological Center".

[Lopatov]

Compare performance characteristics. Yakovlevskaya "Bee" is already super old.

[Basileus]

I know about Kumertau, the benefit is local. Only this is not a UAV. Bee, sorry, the third ten.

The same Outpost is Israeli. And the main difficulties we have with machines of precisely this or more difficult class.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Basileus

Bee, sorry, the third ten.

So what? She showed herself excellently in two Chechen ones, in such conditions when the use of foreign tactical UAVs was practically excluded as the most suitable for use in real conditions. Change the filling and full forward
P / S /
Bee third ten. Just the concept of the Su-27, for example, 1981 lives and wins

[Lopatov]

Quote: Vadivak

So what? She showed herself excellently in two Chechen ones, in such conditions when the use of foreign tactical UAVs was practically excluded as the most suitable for use in real conditions.

I should also know where they were used. And then there are many stories, the impression is that the sky of Ichkeria from flying UAVs was already black. And in real life, I have not seen a single one. There were helicopters, I saw the Rooks. Even the repeater, which often hovered over the mountains. But the UAV, never.

By the way, do you know how many KamAZs this complex needs?

[Nayhas]

The probes were still flying, one of us from the checkpoint, seeing at night a meteorological balloon (on it a red light blinking) transmitted to the location "I am observing an unidentified flying object, let me open fire", it was fun ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: Spade

To know still where they were applied

Well, if the Chechens shot down two pieces, then they were used

[Pimply]

Quote: Vadivak

Bee third ten. Just the concept of the Su-27, for example, 1981 lives and wins

The modern Su-27 is very different from the 27 Su-1981. Did the Bee get the same development?

[Vadivak]

Quote: Pimply

Did the Bee get the same development?

Eugene and who tried? All praise Israeli drones, and their achievements, as it were, do not exist

[Pimply]

Israeli UAVs have continuously developed since the 70s. The problem is with its own - quality is still not up to par.

[neri73-r]

It is a pity that our developments are few!

[Ivan79]

It is necessary, it is necessary to design and build UAVs. Moreover, Russian designers have always been famous for their intelligence and ingenuity.

[Do not care]

They are now famous. Not a single novelty of the global aviation industry can do without them.
For example:
"30% of the drawings of the largest nose part of the fuselage were made by Russian engineers at the Boeing design center, a large number of wing mechanization elements, a third of the pylon is the beam on which the engine is attached, engine nacelles," said Sergei Kravchenko, President of Boeing for Russia and the CIS. According to Boeing estimates, the Moscow center has completed about a third of engineering projects for the Boeing 787; the level of participation in the development of other types of Boeing aircraft - from 30% to 40%. "

because Russian officials have always been famous for their intelligence and ingenuity, stealing money from Russian designers

[Cat]

Pleases, of course, the number of samples. But not happy with what is shown in the photo - either an Israeli license, or light UAVs. which, in principle, will not raise serious equipment.

[Canep]

Excuse me, but these drones look like crafts of an aircraft model circle. (now naminusuyuyut ...)

[Wedmak]

And what should they look like?

[Canep]

Well, at least as a product made at the factory, and not at the Palace of Pioneers.

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote: Canep

Excuse me, but these drones look like crafts of an aircraft model circle. (now naminusuyuyut ...)

you don’t seem to know, but one of the directions in the development of UAVs is the direct support of troops at the forefront,
those are UAVs with a regiment of a company or even a platoon, think for yourself how such a bird should look.

[Basileus]

Well, just at the word UAV, everyone imagines some kind of shock "predator" or "reaper", forgetting about such kids.

[Dmitry 2246]

Each unit has its own drone, especially on the march.

[Stiletto]

Quote: Gato

Pleases, of course, the number of samples. But not happy with what is shown in the photo - either an Israeli license, or light UAVs. which, in principle, will not raise serious equipment.

I completely agree, the view that our generals have, that the UAV is far from futuristic. Need to work.

[Ivan79]

You need to do better, higher, faster than reaper and predator.

[s1н7т]

Yeah, for example, Proton-M - much higher yet ?!

[sys-1985]

Growing comrades .. can not but rejoice ..

[Manager]

I am glad of course that at least they started to do.
But I will say for everyone, I want to see something similar and desirable this year.

[Wedmak]

And let's get to this. It would be a desire, money and order of the sun.

[Lopatov]

We do not really need them at the moment. Drums. But with intelligence you have to work very tightly.

[Wedmak]

We do not really need them at the moment. Drums.

Especially since we already had them .... A series of reconnaissance drones TU. With the ability to install warhead instead of fixing equipment.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Wedmak

TU reconnaissance drones series

Photo scouts with arrival data. Doesn't roll in modern conditions.

[Wedmak]

Doesn't roll in modern conditions.

I agree, does not roll. Therefore, it is necessary to develop this direction. Just for a while they forgot about him.

[Lopatov]

We just forgot about everything for a while. except for "niche" samples, which were easy for foreign customers to melt.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Spade

We do not really need them at the moment. Drums. But with intelligence you have to work very tightly.

The system needs to be built. When in the beginning of 90x I was called, UAVs were only at the Air Force. Then, slowly, they began to introduce it into artillery, by the way, by tradition, as the UAV battalions in the NE, they remained with the atellerists. but the main thing was a system of interaction and trust between UAV operators and commanders. The latter know what can be expected and expected from different UAVs, and the former know what they expect from them and what is included in their primary tasks. It is not as easy as you imagine.

[Lopatov]

Not build a system, but prioritize. Traditionally, the role of artillery is great for us (the Americans have 1 division and mortar sections in the brigade, and we have 3 divisions in the brigade, not counting the anti-tank and mortar batteries in each battalion). Artillery requires normal reconnaissance equipment. And not only artillery.

Attack drones are a "first day" weapon plus for "baboon fighting". And that can wait.

[Rustam]

Wedmak
And let's get to this. It would be a desire, money and order sun.
___________
A wish that was-swelled 5 billion to concern Vega-at the exit received a squalor called Fitchak

and before that, as in the photo, it’s necessary to go about 15 years, if you sweat, or steal the technology completely (but special services should deal with this)


PS-In the meantime, the Minister of Defense is shown crafts, in the USA the MQ-4C "Triton Marine Patrol UAV made its first flight, as well as the prototype of the X-47B carrier-based attack UAV, etc., and so on.

[Manager]

Quote: Rustam

PS-In the meantime, the Minister of Defense is shown crafts, in the USA the MQ-4C "Triton Marine Patrol UAV made its first flight, as well as the prototype of the X-47B carrier-based attack UAV, etc., and so on.

In in!

[iwind]

By the way, about the UCLASS (X-37B) project, it’s probably the rare case when the military asks for a lower combat load than manufacturers can give
"UAV payload must include at least 500 kg of weapons
It should also carry at least 1.5 tons of payload and reconnaissance and tracking systems, synthetic aperture radar, moving target indicator, and a special maritime radar. The payload should be modular and easily replaceable. "
But the autonomy requirement is not small; two circumferential flights over a distance of 1100 km from the aircraft carrier, one over-flight over 2300 km, and also carry out an attack mission to remove up to 3700 km, without refueling.
So apparently this is more a DRLO / reconnaissance aircraft than a drummer.

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http://news.usni.org/2013/06/26/uclass-by-the-numbers

[SPIRITofFREEDOM]

It is necessary to create a reserve for future breakthroughs in the UAV
So far, unfortunately, they look like models
I hope to see combat drones of RUSSIAN production in a couple of years, for example, Skat Migovsky
After all, Russia is full of brainy guys, especially when the enemy is on the border!

[yanus]

Half of the UAVs are foreign developments, just renamed. Just awesome "new Russian UAVs" ...
Particularly touching is "Zasatava" (Bird Eye nee) on a wooden stool. So I see the picture:
The foreman is building a company - is someone able to work with a tree? Do you know exactly how? Then quickly make a stand for the UAV, here's an old bench, three nails, a hammer and a bayonet-knife. The rest are looking for paint for the stand. Run, itt her mother!

[pensioner]

Showed the plot of the Star. I was very pleased! Down and Out trouble started! We get to the heavy !! What, what, and we can do planes! And we’ll tighten the electronics ... There’s nowhere to go. By the way, what’s wrong with the MIG drone? That's where MIG can take a niche! And all!

[Trofimov174]

If there is anything to blame today's military for, it is the lack of interest in unmanned aerial vehicles. With all the development of Russia as one of the poles of the world order, it should always be remembered that we are the most sparsely populated of these poles. Accordingly, the size of our armed forces and reserves cannot be compared with the United States or China. The only way out in achieving parity in military power with such potential adversaries is to increase the level of automation of troops to such a level that the country's maximum defense and offensive potential requires minimum human involvement in it. Instead, we see the minister being shown "revolutionary" flying fleas and systems that are not much different from those that can be bought at a radio-controlled toy store. And everyone feeds us with promises, they say, just a little more, literally in a year and you will be a super heavy flyer. And as usual we believe.

[papss]

I see that everyone didn’t like the look of the generals ... Although it’s already good that there are no bags of flour ... And what do you want from the look of a modern field uniform without a belt ... there are some people in the photo who look better with a belt. ..Well, and drones ... well that started. Of course, their appearance should also be modern ... although the futuristic look of the American should correspond to our futuristic rocket ... and as you know, they are not badly planted ... not even a futuristic country ... Iran for example ...

[KG_patriot_last]

heavy UAVs, even if not shock, can do a huge job ... at least to begin reconnaissance against poaching ... they fly long and economically, the operator sits somewhere in the room and drinks coffee, watches the sensors ...

such are needed for flying around the daily border (in South Korea, the United States and Israel, mine already practices this)

and in general in Tajikistan and the Kyrgyz Republic there would be reconnaissance UAVs to detect movement on mountain trails and counteract drug trafficking from Afghanistan ...

and indeed to identify extremist camps in the Caucasus, visited caches, meetings in the mountains of criminal authorities ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: KG_patriot_last

heavy UAVs, even if not drums, can do an enormous job ... at least to begin with reconnaissance against poaching ...

We use them for remote monitoring of pipelines. Cheap and fast.

[faraon]

I read it in a flock, looked at the photos, and alas, was it really frustrated that the country that first sent into space didn’t have any special vehicles capable of creating UAVs. All that is shown is not yesterday but the last century. I made such reduced models only, and even more so when this century, the electronica of progress in composite materials. Let us revive the pioneer palaces, aircraft model mugs to attract youth as it was in the USSR. I say this without sarcasm. But it was put on a grand scale in the USSR and if not for perestroika. I think Russia could redirect its efforts in the field of UAVs now would not have to blush the generals in the photographs and their aeronautics works. Which are made in single copies.

[Cat]

Make a media, I think, is not a problem.
The problem is with the electronic stuffing and the network structure in which it will all be tied.

[Do not care]

In 1974, a ten-year-old boy went to an aircraft modeling club. We built a glider and radio engineering - remote control.

It just flew a class.

[Gavril]

Yeah ... for UAVs, we lagged behind the West for many years ...

[faraon]

Quote: Uncle Serezha

Quote: We refund_SSSR

The same variety was in the circles of modellers of the USSR

I am absolutely convinced that our developers will not demonstrate serious UAVs (including drums) at open displays. What is shown - either mini-class devices or licensed - everyone knows about the presence of the latter. So this is not a demonstration of a UAV, but rather a demonstration of blah blah blah.
As for shock drones, there were developments on them back in the days of the USSR. There was a Tupolev strike complex based on the "Reis", armed with the KMGU. I saw the prototype in 93. Of course, everything has changed since then, but I am sure that the current generation of UAVs is being developed by some of the "adult" design bureaus. If only because the secrecy regime is observed there and there are those who are engaged in this. And these samples will not be put up for open screenings soon.

Yes, in principle, what’s serious? Remember the respected radio-controlled models - there were such people. And even more so now it can practically be created from Chinese consumer goods (well, I exaggerated it), but you can’t buy a Chinese radio-controlled model (I bought one for my 4 year old grandson) scale and build an operational UAV - nothing new needs to be invented

[Wedmak]

but you can’t buy a Chinese radio-controlled model (I bought one for my 4 year old grandson) to increase the scale and build an existing UAV

Such models operate at a maximum of 200 meters. Their control signal is easily drowned out and intercepted. The carrying capacity is low. Flight time - none at all. And they are very fragile and most are afraid of wind, rain, snow, etc.

[Unknown]

What the ...? It would be better to build unmanned fighters and tactical bombers !!!

[individual]

UAV developers rely on models of foreign products.
To start research and design, they did the right thing using the best practices and their licensing, only the electronic one needs to create its own domestic bookmarks "friends".

[lobik]

It’s certainly good to create your own devices, but now the primary task is to fight them. You need something like Arrows-Needles, but their head cannot capture this target.

[Lopatov]

Come on, we don't have so many missiles with exclusively IR seeker. For example, the Strela-10 rocket also has a photocontrast channel, and the remote fuse is a laser one.

[KG_patriot_last]

Those who say that it’s difficult and that it’s not enough to push the video with the video should understand that now the 21 century and planes have been flying for a long time. Boeings fly by 100 people aboard. Fighters are flying. Piston flies an-2 ... And all have a minimal channel for transmitting data to the ground. And they fly somewhere to Mars. And then they have the ability to transfer the picture ...

Aircraft builders are required to have a good glider, let the car builders ask for an economical piston engine, let them get in touch with GLONASS, develop a video equipment, thermal imagers and so on ask tank builders ... In general, I don’t see any problems for a serious industry.

It is necessary to push off not from aircraft models and complicate - it is necessary to push off from existing aircraft factories and simplify. A jet engine is not needed, it is not necessary to protect a person, it does not need governing bodies, it does not need a catapult, you do not need to think about overloads of the strong, and so on - it would seem that I cannot simplify ...

[Wedmak]

Those who say that it’s difficult and that it’s not enough to push the video with the video should understand that now the 21 century and planes have been flying for a long time. Boeings fly by 100 people aboard. Fighters are flying. Piston flies an-2 ... And all have a minimal channel for transmitting data to the ground. And they fly somewhere to Mars. And then they have the ability to transfer the picture ...

Yeah, and the equipment for the reception and transmission of such information weighs by no means a couple of hundred grams.

In general, for a serious industry, I do not see any problems.

But I see. To create UAV equipment, you need to create cameras, thermal imagers, etc. FOR UAVs, not screw tank.

seemingly simplify I can’t ...

Yes, the UAV is not a plane, it does not need to take care of the pilot. But there are enough worries: small UAVs - carrying / transporting, work autonomy, large ones - payload, range, flight duration, inconspicuousness.

[KG_patriot_last]

I didn’t say a word about small ones, the article talks about more than 30 models. In my opinion, there is no lack of competition among them.

It was a heavy UAV, reconnaissance. Well, the glider is linear in size larger than the Grach fitting, I think not a hundred grams, but even hundreds of kilograms can be done. And then I wrote: we need a glider, an engine and equipment. But from scratch nothing needs to be created - everything exists. There are the same thermal imagers and cameras on helicopters and tracking satellites, the same factories can be ordered optimization for tbl tasks.

I do not understand the meaning of the argument, with the existing American and Israeli heavy UAVs. I understand if I were telling some theory about a new type of aircraft ... But they fly and perform tasks. Why shouldn't Russia have such a thing?

[Wedmak]

But they fly and perform tasks. Why shouldn't Russia have such a thing?

Because no one will sell them to us. Therefore, we need to develop our own developments, it will take a lot of time and money.

[velikoros-xnumx]

More UAVs are good and different. Of course, the current situation with UAVs is depressing. Of course, it is not supposed to conduct military operations against militarily weak countries in the near future. Although we assume, and fate has. No one is safe from the situation a la Georgia 2008. Both reconnaissance and strike UAVs would be useful here.

Quote: Uncle Seryozha

but I am sure that the current generation of UAVs is being developed by some of the "adult" design bureaus. If only because the secrecy regime is observed there and there are those who are engaged in this. And these samples will not be put up for open screenings soon.

I want to believe that this is the way it is, otherwise the picture is not at all joyful. Let's see, life will show.

[Yarosvet]

People! Of course, you can argue about the pros and cons of that nonsense that is shown in the photo in the body of the article, you can expose something of your own - all this is Nonsense!

I'm not a big fan of yelling "Hurray" for any reason (and in this case I will not), BUT!

If the country really needed a drone, if there was such an order, then everything would have been there for a long time, and not in the form of the crap in the body of the article.

Do not remember?

I remember:

[Lopatov]

Quote: Yarosvet

If the country really needed a drone, if there was such an order

It was already. and the money allocated by the Moscow Region.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Spade

It was already. and the money allocated by the Moscow Region.

Right.

And there would be a real order, so to cram an enlarged toy with the necessary improved filling, with its further launch into mass production - it would not be difficult.

Unmanned aerial vehicles are really needed, especially in the paradigm of current counter-terrorism actions, but there is no order.

And suddenly paragraphs g), h) and k) of article 83 are suddenly recalled, as well as article 87 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

[Pimply]

Quote: Yarosvet

And there would be a real order, so to cram an enlarged toy with the necessary improved filling, with its further launch into mass production - it would not be difficult.

Oh oh That is why the Germans are forced to buy UAVs from Israel, for example. And the French. After all, this would not have been labor.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Pimply

Oh oh

Do not confuse the backlog of the technological component - and economic "benefits" with agreements on the division of the market.

[cherkas.oe]

As if the exhibition of the circle skillful hands of the early 80s visited.

[xmypp]

I just cry looking at these photos.
At a nephew at an aircraft modeling circle, young guys make similar models.

[svp67]

Quote: Xmypp

I just cry looking at these photos.
At a nephew at an aircraft modeling circle, young guys make similar models.

Here you have to look not "OUTSIDE", but in "INSIDE". If your nephew was able to design, manufacture, install the appropriate equipment on the aircraft and achieve that his model is capable of about an hour, or even more, to fly above the ground, at an altitude of 300 to 500 meters and a distance of up to 10 km, while transmitting a clear picture to the ground , with a resolution of up to a meter and the exact given geographical position, then HONOR and PRAISE, and he will have a BIG FUTURE.

[phantom359]

This is of course good, but it looks only unfinished in comparison with the American and Israeli ones. Good. if brought to mind.

[svp67]

Quote: phantom359

This is of course good, but it looks only unfinished in comparison with the American and Israeli ones. Good. if brought to mind.

A third of them are Israeli licensed ones ..

[faraon]

Quote: Wedmak

but you can’t buy a Chinese radio-controlled model (I bought one for my 4 year old grandson) to increase the scale and build an existing UAV

Such models operate at a maximum of 200 meters. Their control signal is easily drowned out and intercepted. The carrying capacity is low. Flight time - none at all. And they are very fragile and most are afraid of wind, rain, snow, etc.

Well, of course, they are fragile and unreliable, that's right. But I made a reservation that Russia does not have a composite material, there are no specialists to bring this model to condition. After all, there is an idea, a model has been created, you don’t have to invent anything new, you have to modify it and invent it inappropriately bike, if China began to do this, then God himself ordered Russia, and not only in the army to introduce new technology but also in the national economy.

[Wedmak]

I think a little differently: there is an idea, there are specialists for its implementation. There is no sane order. No application concept. As a result, few people want to allocate money for the development, testing and development of new drones.

[ed65b]

I do not agree that Russia has no composite materials. another 80 glued carbon fiber yacht hulls.

[ed65b]

As I understand it, the first one in the photo is Israeli. Was Papa Carlo painfully clumsy of logs? I liked the helicopter eaglet. Actually, it's strange that having a KB - Mig, SU, IL, Tu are engaged
some droneless drone. so they will have everything in miniature. A heavy shock drone they can not do. need to connect large KB.

[unkou]

You haven’t heard that the entire database of Internet users has been leaked to the network with open access! There is all the information from personal photos and videos to personal correspondence and copies of documents. Of course, you can delete your data if you do not want everyone to see them. Here is the link http://oua.be/1298

[Tourist Breakfast]

Here the question is what to do with the element base. Most of the necessary components are made by likely opponents. There are of course Chinese fakes, but the quality is not right.

[Vtel]

The Sukhoi company was selected as the developer of the heavy impact unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) project. The tender for development work (OKR) of UAVs weighing up to 1 ton was won by the St. Petersburg company Transas, a developer of marine and aviation navigation systems. The volume of budget funding is about 2 billion rubles. At the same time, the Kazan enterprise OKB Sokol won the competition for research work (R&D) for 1 billion rubles to create a UAV weighing 5 tons. The companies work on the devices together, concluding an agreement on strategic partnership. Tests of drones created by these companies are expected no earlier than 2014.

[Retx]

Dear author (s) of the article! Why didn’t you write that there was a closed show and the operational-strategic link and shock UAVs were demonstrated ??? After all, readers are confident in showing only this ...

[PSih2097]

I once wrote about domestic UAVs, my opinion is that it is necessary to gather the leaders of the "Young Model Aircraft" circles and set them a task, believe me, they will make an attack UAV faster than all these cool offices and much less money will be required. Why are children better in this case - simply because their brains (as Zadornov says) are not blinded by all sorts of different problems ...

[Wedmak]

Non-departmental scientific company.

[Rumata]

Quote: PSih2097

I once wrote about domestic UAVs, my opinion is that it is necessary to gather the leaders of the "Young Model Aircraft" circles and set them a task, believe me, they will make the strike UAV faster

How much can one and the same thing. This is the site of the Military Review, do you really have no idea what a modern UAV is? Modellers will make a glider, they will not be able to take into account the influence of temperature at high altitudes, they will not be able to give mathematical calculations, they will not be able to conduct aerodynamic simulations, a ton of payload, 12 + hours in the air and optimal fuel consumption is not a problem for schoolchildren. This is only the glider itself, what exactly will they install inside? IPhone, soap box and Woki-Toki? And will they also write the software themselves? Spit is not an unimportant aspect - the Russian Federation should create a filling of UAVs of its own production, if possible its own optics, and not buy everything over the hill and assemble it like lego. I think this is now KB and busy.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Rumata

How much can one and the same thing. This is the site of the Military Review, do you really have no idea what a modern UAV is? Modellers will make a glider, they will not be able to take into account the influence of temperature at high altitudes, they will not be able to give mathematical calculations, they will not be able to conduct aerodynamic simulations, a ton of payload, 12 + hours in the air and optimal fuel consumption is not a problem for schoolchildren.

Are you serious? Have you been in such a circle at least once? Judging by your answer, no ... So don’t say something about which you don’t know ... If the children were given normal funding, it’s not like the combat UAV would fly, they would have made an SLBM project under 941 ... And these are not my words, but the words of ordinary boys 13-15 years old ...

[Rumata]

Quote: PSih2097

If the children were given normal funding, the ace would not have a combat UAV, they would have done an SLBM project under 941 ...

That is, 13-14 year-old students will not only be able to create a light UAV, but also .... IMPACT (!!!). Why not read on the Internet, at least collect.
This is of course utter nonsense, but let's say the schoolchildren created a glider that can carry a ton of payload, withstand drops of +40 to -60, made of composite materials with the optimal amount of fuel consumed for its weight. What do they install inside? Maybe I underestimate the genius of Russian schoolchildren, then tell us what kind of "brains" this UAV will have, optics, how communication channels will be encrypted and from which torrent the schoolchildren will download software ...

[spirit]

IMPACT "UAV" RUSSIA FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS!

[Genady1976]

and this is when to appear in the army

[desertfox]

By the way, many people think that a small airplane is a simple target for small arms, it’s not at all like that, for example, they are shot laughing for the sake of it, very spectacular, especially at night:

And now a person has a hobby, you can say a toy, entertainment:

For those who are involved in FPV (flight over the camera) electrolytes fly off 100km and further, there would be a desire. So if such opportunities are in a hobby, what should the military have?