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Israeli bomb capable of handling C-300

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Rafael introduced the Spice-250 bomb, capable of overcoming the Russian air defense system, the transfer of which to Syria worries Israel and its allies. The bomb is capable of hitting targets within a radius of 100 kilometers.


The C-300 air defense system, which is expected to be supplied by Moscow to Damascus as part of the sale of weapons between Russia and Syria, in recent months, the entire Middle East and even some Western countries have been worried. Against the backdrop of fears of losing Israeli superiority, the Israeli company Raphael, the most advanced technology manufacturer, recently unveiled several of its new combat systems in the Israeli Paris Air Show pavilion, including the Spice-250 bomb, which should be a response to modern air defense systems, such as C-300.

This smart little bomb belongs to the Spice-1000 and Spice-2000 families. The Spice-250 weighs 150 kilograms, does not possess an engine, and will be ready for adoption in two years. The bomb opens its wings after being dropped from a fighter and is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 100 kilometers.

Rafael Oren Uriel, vice president of marketing and business development, said that the bomb is equipped with an "optoelectronic homing head and an algorithm to compare the image of the target with the image recorded in the memory of a bomb in an area saturated with GPS-disrupting tools." In his words: "The pilot can put a target in the homing head before a discharge or during a flight."

Israeli bomb capable of handling C-300

F-16 capable of carrying 16 bombs Spice-250, illustration


There is a perception among Western security experts that this bomb is capable of overcoming air defense systems, such as C-300, due to its long range.

"You were not mistaken. This bomb is capable of hitting targets within 100 km and is relatively small compared to its sisters (Spice-1000 and Spice-2000) and, therefore, has less visibility. Thus, it makes it difficult for air defense systems to detect it. In addition, one F-16 aircraft can carry X-NUMX Spice-16 bombs and, in addition to being able to destroy several targets at the same time, it can impede enemy radar operations by simultaneously dropping a large number of bombs. C-250 air defense systems and the like will be very difficult to deal with. with these things ozhnostyami ".

According to foreign sources, the Israeli Air Force attacked targets in Syria using smart long-range bombs and not necessarily entering the airspace of Syria. Is this a global trend?

“I don’t want to comment on past events. Spice-250 was developed jointly with the Israeli Air Force. Currently, they are its only client. Spice-250 allows the user to act in remote areas of air defense systems. The global trend today is to reduce the cost of weapons. defense budgets are shrinking around the world, so customers are interested in a low price, but are not ready to make compromises. In this case, they will get a small and inexpensive product. This is not an easy technological challenge. "

The launcher of the missile defense system Iron Dome at an air show in France


You represent the “Iron Dome” system at the entrance to the international exhibition. What can you say about your interest in the system?

The Iron Dome gained worldwide fame during the Pillar of Fire operation due to its ability to intercept various types of missiles. Few systems of this type received real-time coverage as the Iron Dome. The system is showing increased interest. This is even noticeable by the number of photographs against the background of the launcher. I believe that the Chinese and Iranians, who did not have time to do it at an exhibition in India, are trying not to miss this opportunity now. Many countries contact us for detailed information about the system. "
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  1. gland
    gland 24 June 2013 07: 15 New
    36
    For every tricky bomb, there is also a SAM with a screw!
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 24 June 2013 07: 40 New
      25
      I doubt this clever bomb! If I'm not mistaken, the X-NUMX even sees small objects and it doesn’t matter whether they plan or fly. It’s pointless to use stealth technologies, since a long time ago in the USSR it was proved that it was impossible to completely hide an object. They put a radio jamming system in a bomb + they’re afraid, I don’t believe it. This is infa inf so that local democracies calm and no more!
      1. Kurtshaar
        Kurtshaar 24 June 2013 08: 12 New
        26
        The essence of the possible problem is not the bomb.
        The most important thing is the very possibility of its application and the consequences of this.
        An attempt by the Israelis to bomb any target on the territory of Syria essentially means an act of aggression.
        The presence of air defense systems in Syria does not violate any norms of international law, but even one Jewish bomb dropped by Israel on Syrian territory is essentially an act of war.
        One can only imagine what consequences this may have, but undoubtedly this will only complicate the situation in the region, and especially for the Jewish state itself.
        Israel will thereby further increase the degree of self-hatred by the international community.
        1. Professor
          24 June 2013 08: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Kurzhaar
          An attempt by the Israelis to bomb any target on the territory of Syria essentially means an act of aggression.

          These and similar bombs can also be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea (the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km) and not necessarily by Israel. On the island of Cyprus on its territory is a British air base ...

          Quote: Kurzhaar
          Israel will thereby further increase the degree of self-hatred by the international community.

          laughing
          1. Andrey57
            Andrey57 24 June 2013 08: 39 New
            17
            You can safely forget about Cyprus - our Air Force base will be there in speed, an agreement is already there bully And the fact that C-300 is easy to demolish with bombs with wings is very funny laughing
            1. S-200
              S-200 24 June 2013 09: 15 New
              +9
              about Cyprus like that - Yes ! but about the bombs .... (((you can’t dismiss them so frivolously ... the "naked" C-300 is fragile and not omnipotent .. ((
              1. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg 24 June 2013 11: 10 New
                11
                Quote: S-200
                about Cyprus like that - Yes ! but about the bombs .... (((you can’t dismiss them so frivolously ... the "naked" C-300 is fragile and not omnipotent .. ((


                And where is it seen so that the 300 is naked? What kind of optoelectronic GOS which will be watching at 100 km? It should cost like F-16 ...

                In the end, yes, let it be, in two years, as stated, either there will be no war, or the Israeli Air Force ..

                In short, everything with this article is clear.
                1. Arkan
                  Arkan 24 June 2013 11: 23 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Geisenberg
                  And where is it seen so that the 300 is naked? What kind of optoelectronic GOS which will be watching at 100 km?

                  There is a block that stores the coordinates of the target "flooded" before the reset, and the GOS works on the final section of the trajectory.
                  1. Geisenberg
                    Geisenberg 24 June 2013 19: 28 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Arkan
                    Quote: Geisenberg
                    And where is it seen so that the 300 is naked? What kind of optoelectronic GOS which will be watching at 100 km?

                    There is a block that stores the coordinates of the target "flooded" before the reset, and the GOS works on the final section of the trajectory.


                    To shoot at coordinates it is not necessary to create a new planning bomb. HARM completely copes. Here the emphasis is placed on the optical seeker ... like she will solve all the problems.
                    1. crazyrom
                      crazyrom 25 June 2013 03: 44 New
                      12
                      It seems someone does not know how to count. The article clearly says that the aircraft should fly at 100km to the C-300. It will be shot down even 100km before and will never be able to fire a bomb. What other questions?
                      1. Mairos
                        Mairos 30 June 2013 15: 49 New
                        +1
                        So the Professor believes that F-16 from the Israeli airspace will be able to bomb with impunity. To which I wrote - that then the planes will be shot down there too.
                  2. denson06
                    denson06 15 August 2013 12: 44 New
                    +3
                    Unfortunately, as the practice of the Arab-Israeli conflict has shown, the Israeli Air Force is not “boys”. The level of technical equipment and strategy they have always been at their best, we must give them their due. This is all to the fact that they just can’t boast bullshit. If they have adopted something, it means that it can be effectively used.
                    To all this, judging from the characteristics, they were looking for a solution when the coordinates of the target are poured before the reset and it does not need other guidance, tracking, highlighting the target, etc. ... you cannot mislead it with REP and EW tools ... such the bomb only needs to be detected and shot down ... and if 16 fired them immediately at the deployed C-300 and left?
                2. Denis
                  Denis 24 June 2013 11: 47 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Geisenberg
                  which will look at 100 km
                  A fly 100 km?
                  This smart little bomb belongs to the Spice-1000 and Spice -2000 families. Spice-250 weighs 150 kilograms, does not have an engine
                  Will they be dumped from Earth’s orbit, is Israel going to space?
                  1. Geisenberg
                    Geisenberg 24 June 2013 19: 37 New
                    +9
                    Quote: Denis
                    Quote: Geisenberg
                    which will look at 100 km
                    A fly 100 km?
                    This smart little bomb belongs to the Spice-1000 and Spice -2000 families. Spice-250 weighs 150 kilograms, does not have an engine
                    Will they be dumped from Earth’s orbit, is Israel going to space?


                    "Jews in Space, Hitler on Ice" (c) Mel Brooks laughing I like this movie too laughing .

                    I’ve thought of something else: After all, a new bomb is an old bomb with only a low warhead weight. And why then the old is not suitable for the fight with C-300? In my opinion, the task is straightforward what is needed for a heavy, breathtakingly clever Jewish bomb. In general, this is a scammer, the next propaganda scammer.
                3. Perch_xnumx
                  Perch_xnumx 24 June 2013 12: 13 New
                  0
                  What kind of optoelectronic GOS which will be watching at 100 km?
                  Think so. A FMS system, plus an optical orientation system based on satellite imagery, may be an inertial system, but it will already be much more expensive and heavier. The inhabitants of the promised land will not say anything worthwhile - military secret.
              2. Airman
                Airman 24 June 2013 17: 02 New
                +9
                Quote: S-200
                about Cyprus like that - Yes ! but about the bombs .... (((you can’t dismiss them so frivolously ... the "naked" C-300 is fragile and not omnipotent .. ((


                Nobody has yet repealed the laws of aerodynamics. In order for a “bomb with wings” to fly 100 km without an engine, it must be dropped from a height of at least 10 km, and at this altitude the C-300 will shoot down at a distance of more than 100 km. will have time to reach the launch line, as they will be shot down.
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 24 June 2013 17: 25 New
                  +2
                  They can make a mustache and a mustache above the golan, and then finally crush the complex with a raid from the sea
                  I’m wondering they put Baikal to them? Then if they correctly cover it, then the war in the air will be very remarkable.
                  1. mogus
                    mogus 24 June 2013 17: 54 New
                    0
                    Is the little enough to plan a bomb? how many km?
                  2. Airman
                    Airman 24 June 2013 23: 49 New
                    0
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    They can make a mustache and a mustache above the golan, and then finally crush the complex with a raid from the sea
                    I’m wondering they put Baikal to them? Then if they correctly cover it, then the war in the air will be very remarkable.


                    With the cabling at what altitude can you launch a bomb at 100 km and at what speed? Do not forget that the C-300PMU2 hits.
                2. S-200
                  S-200 24 June 2013 19: 11 New
                  -6
                  do not forget they have their own missile defense in the form of Hetz-2,3 ... Iron dome, David Sling, Patriot ... they will also try to shoot down our missiles
                  1. Arkan
                    Arkan 24 June 2013 19: 32 New
                    +4
                    Quote: S-200
                    do not forget they have their own missile defense in the form of Hetz-2,3 ... Iron dome, David Sling, Patriot ... they will also try to shoot down our missiles

                    In the event of an Israeli attack, a war is likely to start, in which Iran will also enter (in any case, the old Iranian leadership has "hinted" about this more than once, but the new one has never refuted it ...) and there is a "working army" behind Iran "China, which is capable of" riveting "rockets for a partner, is much more than Israel can produce anti-ballistic missiles ... And it’s very difficult to assess the capabilities of Syria’s missile forces - a little over a year ago the militants managed to capture the Chinese radar which was not officially delivered to China by Syria .. ., and what else is Chinese handed over to Syria Iran over the years can only guess.
                    1. S-200
                      S-200 24 June 2013 20: 31 New
                      +2
                      I guess that Iran is supplying Syria seriously with weapons and ammunition ...
                    2. Pimply
                      Pimply 25 June 2013 01: 57 New
                      -2
                      China. Strong.
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                  2. Airman
                    Airman 25 June 2013 00: 27 New
                    +4
                    Quote: S-200
                    do not forget they have their own missile defense in the form of Hetz-2,3 ... Iron dome, David Sling, Patriot ... they will also try to shoot down our missiles

                    Look in the performance characteristics of the C-300 rocket speed, and all questions will disappear by themselves.
                  3. Mairos
                    Mairos 30 June 2013 16: 00 New
                    0
                    Shoot down missiles with air defense like "Iron Dome" - fairy tales. He is not intended for this and is incapable of it.
                3. vikontas56
                  vikontas56 24 June 2013 21: 50 New
                  +2
                  Take into account the speed of the carrier aircraft - approximately 2400 km / h. = 40km / min. At this speed, a dropped bomb will fly 120 km in 3 min. Free fall speed 9,8 m / s. = 588 m / min. This means to fly 120 km. it’s enough to drop the bomb from a height of 1800 m. And this is without planning. But here you can easily fool the homing head, it’s enough to install a plywood copy with a radiating microwave next to the real air defense system, and disguise the real air defense system as a building or make its image different from what is wired into homing head!
                  1. Do not care
                    Do not care 25 June 2013 21: 23 New
                    +3
                    Take a look at the physics textbook. You have a dimension error.
                    not 9,8 m / s but 9,8 m / s ^ 2 and not speed but acceleration of gravity in vacuum.
                    Therefore, all your calculations are not correct.
                  2. S-200
                    S-200 26 June 2013 09: 07 New
                    +2
                    1. "Protects" this image is not tight
                    2. A pilot can quickly redirect. It means:
                    a) .Aircraft optical guidance system with an interface for transmitting information to the UAB.
                    b). Since the OEU (optical-electric device that monitors the bomb’s tailbone and transmits information to it) is located in the lower plane of the airframe, the aircraft should be “slightly higher behind” at a distance (depending on atmospheric transparency for the optical wavelength and power of the airborne transmitter (optical emitter)
                    3. The pilot designates (promptly) the pilot. This means that it doesn’t matter what: a barn, a building, a stand alone harvester in a field (with a drunk machine operator on the roof))), a bunker in the form of a dune (or a ground squirrel) ... or petrified pile of mammoth shit (lonely towering in the middle of the desert)
                    But a smoke (aerosol) curtain can complicate guidance and correction wassat
                    4. The counteraction to this miracle bomb is standard with elements of creativity applicable to a specific area.
                  3. comintern1
                    comintern1 23 October 2013 12: 40 New
                    0
                    PABs are not reset at supersonic speeds. At 2400 speed, the wings break off. She has a planning speed of 200-300 km / h. PAB - this weapon is effective against the Zulus - cheap and cheerful and immediately a lot, the bulk is concentrated in the warhead. To combat PAB and other air-to-surface missiles, there are Carapace, Tor-M2, Goalkeeper, Falanks, etc.
              3. self-propelled
                self-propelled 24 June 2013 23: 28 New
                +4
                Quote: S-200
                (you can’t dismiss them so frivolously ... the "naked" C-300 is fragile and not omnipotent

                Well, C-300 should not be naked (that is, to remain without cover, for example, the same “Shell-C1” or “Tor-M2.” This is called a layered air defense system)

              4. Zabvo
                Zabvo 30 June 2013 10: 37 New
                0
                But don’t you remember that there actually already exist "Armor-C1" ... request
          2. Kirgudum
            Kirgudum 24 June 2013 10: 45 New
            +9
            These and similar bombs can also be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea (the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km) and not necessarily by Israel
            - Russia has at its disposal enough missiles for launching which it is not necessary to enter the airspace of Israel, and which Israel’s air defense and missile defense are powerless to intercept - for example, Iskander.
            While the US is protecting you, you can post this " laughing "emoticon.
            And when the United States is not up to you, then, having learned about what your recent allies and neutrals in the Middle East have done to you, we will post it.
            1. Professor
              24 June 2013 12: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: Kirgudum
              Russia has at its disposal enough missiles for launching which it is not necessary to enter Israeli airspace, and which Israel’s air defense and missile defense are powerless to intercept - for example, Iskander.

              With warhead in 480 kg? You already immediately frighten the Poplars.
              1. Kirgudum
                Kirgudum 24 June 2013 21: 39 New
                +7
                And why do you think that a megaton warhead is required to defeat, say, the battery of your Rusty Kumpol missiles? And hundreds of kg of TNT exploded twenty meters from the installation (KVO Iskander, as far as I remember, is just that) will be more than enough - and the Iskander rockets are almost five times more. Or are your missiles in underground bunkers hidden? laughing
                And the explosion of such a thing worth hundreds of thousands next to an airplane worth tens of millions of dollars of health obviously will not add to it)
                So do not worry - you have many goals for our Iskanders!
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 24 June 2013 15: 15 New
              -10
              Did Russia enter the war with Israel?
              1. mogus
                mogus 24 June 2013 17: 57 New
                +2
                No, and we are not going to anybody ... But the noise is fucking repeat
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          3. gribnik777
            gribnik777 24 June 2013 11: 47 New
            11
            Quote: Professor
            the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km


            What height should this bomb be dropped to fly without the 100 km engine?
            But what, for C-300 to shoot down the carrier of these same bombs is a problem?
            1. Professor
              24 June 2013 12: 14 New
              -14
              Quote: gribnik777
              But what, for C-300 to shoot down the carrier of these same bombs is a problem?

              I repeat, there is no problem in the steppes of Kherson, but over the Mediterranean Sea when C-300 covers Damascus is a very big problem.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 24 June 2013 15: 00 New
                +9
                Quote: Professor
                I repeat in the steppes of Kherson region is not a problemand over the Mediterranean Sea when C-300 covers Damascus is a very big problem.

                Professor! Have you already sharpened your tooth on "NENKA"? laughing
              2. gribnik777
                gribnik777 24 June 2013 16: 54 New
                +6
                Quote: Professor
                I repeat, there is no problem in the steppes of Kherson, but over the Mediterranean Sea when C-300 covers Damascus is a very big problem.


                Your self-confidence will destroy you.
              3. S-200
                S-200 24 June 2013 21: 43 New
                +3
                How can the Mediterranean complicate SO the work of C-300 SO? High wave, salinity, or are your planes equipped with marine "stealth earthing" ?? belay
                1. Arkan
                  Arkan 24 June 2013 22: 41 New
                  +2
                  Quote: S-200
                  How can the Mediterranean complicate SO the work of C-300 SO? High wave, salinity, or are your planes equipped with marine "stealth earthing" ?? belay

                  Yes, the fact of the matter is that they want to go to the coordinates of the reset and attack based on the fact that in their airspace (or neutral) the Syrians will not fire at them because ... are optimists. laughing
                  1. Airman
                    Airman 25 June 2013 00: 22 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Arkan
                    Quote: S-200
                    How can the Mediterranean complicate SO the work of C-300 SO? High wave, salinity, or are your planes equipped with marine "stealth earthing" ?? belay

                    Yes, the fact of the matter is that they want to go to the coordinates of the reset and attack based on the fact that in their airspace (or neutral) the Syrians will not fire at them because ... are optimists. laughing


                    During hostilities, no flight zone and all aircraft are declared

                    unanswered - goals, and go astray according to the laws of war, that is, when entering the affected area.
                    1. S-200
                      S-200 25 June 2013 08: 40 New
                      0
                      Quote: Povshnik
                      about the time of hostilities declared without a flight zone and all planes

                      unanswered - goals, and go astray according to the laws of war, that is, when entering the affected area.

                      It's like that !
                      BUT, the tactics of the Israeli reconnaissance and strike aircraft are of the nature of single raids ... Scouted - struck a small group, while the reconnaissance plane (and ground-based units) on the territory of Israel or neutral records the operation of the air defense district. Therefore, for the detection and destruction of the C-300 (air strike) they will operate secretly, in single planes without deploying large-scale military operations.
                      1. Arkan
                        Arkan 25 June 2013 13: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: S-200
                        .Israel or neutral captures the operation of an air defense district. Therefore, to detect and destroy C-300 (airstrike) will act covertly

                        It is possible that they will be able to destroy something (and this may be tricks), but after that - everything that is Jewish in the sky will be dismantled in the air.
                        Quote: S-200
                        without the deployment of large-scale hostilities.

                        After such a provocation, this will no longer be decided in Israel ...
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 25 June 2013 13: 32 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Arkan
                        It is possible that they will be able to destroy something (and this may be tricks), but after that - everything that is Jewish in the sky will be dismantled in the air.

                        Than destroyed. Believe me, in the event of a first strike from air defense, there will be nothing left. Before that they flew quietly, you think with the advent of c-300 everything will change dramatically. 3 of the year before the delivery of the Shell and Bukov - Putin said
                        We’ll put up weapons so that it wouldn’t be fluttering over Assad’s palace

                        So what has changed?
                        Quote: Arkan
                        After such a provocation, this will no longer be decided in Israel.

                        And where ?
                        After the last bombardment, Russia did not even condemn, it expressed concern. Understands after all - not the last time.
                      3. Arkan
                        Arkan 25 June 2013 13: 59 New
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        After the last bombardment, Russia did not even condemn, it expressed concern.

                        In the fact that Russia turned from useless words to the point, do you see its weakness? Well, well ...
      2. skeptic
        skeptic 24 June 2013 16: 38 New
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: Kurzhaar
        An attempt by the Israelis to bomb any target on the territory of Syria essentially means an act of aggression.

        These and similar bombs can also be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea (the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km) and not necessarily by Israel. On the island of Cyprus on its territory is a British air base ...


        Well, that's nice, now about C-300, you can relax. She, for you, is no longer dangerous. And then the destabilization in the Middle East ... still straight.

        Or repeat ..?
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      3. poquello
        poquello 25 June 2013 13: 12 New
        +5
        “These and similar bombs can also be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea (the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km) and not necessarily Israel. On the island of Cyprus, there is a British air base on its territory ...”

        Do you think the gunners are good in Russia?
        And the second question, if you updated the electronics in crap thirty years ago, is this new?
        Or a novelty is a way of its political application, because even a vigorous car can unknown to fly from.
      4. chaushevski
        chaushevski 25 June 2013 20: 59 New
        0
        Jews seem to have you
      5. Mairos
        Mairos 30 June 2013 15: 43 New
        +2
        Professor, does this approach mean that if a rocket in Israel is launched from the Mediterranean Sea, then this will not be an act of aggression by a particular country against Israel? Or do you think it’s impossible to determine whose plane will drop such a missile bomb? This can lead to the fact that all planes begin to shoot down - potential carriers of air-to-ground weapons upon the very fact of their take-off? Or can Israel only endlessly be cunning and go unpunished?
        Strictly speaking, I highly respect both Israel and its army - to remain in a hostile environment for so many years, while winning and developing .. this is worthy of respect. But here is duplicity .. fuu. Even idiots understand that Israel launched the recent airstrikes on Syria’s military warehouses, but the entire “world community” is pretending to be unknown. But you can also mow others under fools, elementary.
        1. Professor
          30 June 2013 15: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Mairos
          Or can Israel only endlessly be cunning and go unpunished?

          I understand that you are not interested in a serious conversation, and here you decided to do verbiage ...

          Quote: Mairos
          Even idiots understand that Israel launched the recent airstrikes on Syria’s military warehouses, but the entire “world community” is pretending to be unknown.

          Thank you for not including me among these idiots. Until evidence is presented or Israel itself is recognized, the bombing must be considered anonymous. Maybe it was the British Air Force from its territory in Cyprus? Maybe the Turks got even for Phant or the Hornets of the 6 fleet of the USA carried out reconnaissance in battle?
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 30 June 2013 18: 42 New
            +2
            You should be a lawyer - bosses of crime otmazyvat in the style of "Everyone knows that my client is a respected businessman and philanthropist .. etc." But the fact that everyone knows that he is a gangster and criminal authority - this must be proved. De jure, you are right - nothing has been proved, but de facto .. and the hedgehog understands that it’s not the British and not the Americans, but the Israelis who struck.
      6. Alex777
        Alex777 4 December 2017 15: 50 New
        +1
        This whole tops are targets for the Shell. Very comfortable. hi
    2. domokl
      domokl 24 June 2013 08: 53 New
      10
      Quote: Kurzhaar
      An attempt by the Israelis to bomb any target on the territory of Syria essentially means an act of aggression.

      I respect your dog’s breed as an excellent hunter, but let me remind you, Israel has already launched an air strike against Syria. Even a year has not passed before this happened. And what? Who is outraged? The UN? Russia? USA?
      We sat, talked, threatened with a finger and that’s all ... Once upon a time, in street fights, as a kid, I clarified a simple truth-If you started pestering, Bay first. A good blow, with blood from all the holes in the face, will cool some, and the rest just stay less.
    3. Hug
      Hug 24 June 2013 12: 33 New
      -11
      Quote: Kurzhaar
      Israel will thereby further increase the degree of self-hatred by the international community.




      You do not need to identify yourself and your kind (the Arabian countries, Erdogan, Ahmadinejad and other "progressive" politicians) with the international community
    4. slava7075
      slava7075 24 June 2013 14: 34 New
      +9
      The bomb still needs to be hit. But the attempt to destroy will already be equated, as you said, with an act of aggression. And as Israeli diplomats said, C-300 can shoot down planes after they take off. But I think all this is just a war of nerves no more. And given the recent gestures of the Russian Federation in the Mediterranean, the situation for Jews is even more complicated.
    5. Pimply
      Pimply 24 June 2013 14: 54 New
      -11
      Syria and Israel have an unfinished military conflict that is not regulated by a peace treaty.
    6. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 24 June 2013 17: 50 New
      +2
      So they bombed many times, the last time on 5 in May, and what, well, except of course the degree of hatred.
  2. domokl
    domokl 24 June 2013 08: 48 New
    12
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    s-300 sees even small objects and it doesn’t matter whether they plan or fly.

    The question is not even whether the launcher will see the bomb ... The question is different, the very first use of such ammunition will lead to the airspace of a neighboring state becoming a battlefield. Airplanes will be shot down at distances greater than the radius of action.
    This article is pure advertising. I don’t know who it is for, only planning in 100 km makes the bomb an excellent target for other, much cheaper systems. Grandmas can count in the West. Spend a lot of money on completely useless (in wars with a really strong opponent, with Arabs or Asians) is stupid.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 09: 01 New
      -22
      Quote: domokl
      .. The question is different, the very first use of such ammunition will lead to the fact that the airspace of a neighboring state will become a battlefield. Aircraft will be shot down at distances greater than the radius of action.

      Than to stray. it is clear that the first strike will be against air defense (and c-300 (not yet located in Syria), and if so, how many complexes -4 (re). The first will come at best at the beginning of 2014. and the rest will be 3 ? When?
      Speaking of the effectiveness of the rest of the air defense with Buki (like the modernized Byelorussians in 2011-12, etc. - I heard a lot.) According to the results of 3 attacks, its effectiveness is not just 0, but goes into minus.
      c-300, by the way, in battle, no one has yet seen the same thing (unlike the vaunted Buk, who successfully failed everything that was possible.)

      Quote: domokl
      I don’t know who it is intended for, only planning in 100 km makes the bomb an excellent target for other, much cheaper systems

      Shamanov also saw beautiful targets (even visually) - UAVs flying in Georgia - there was nothing to bring down. With bombs it will be more complicated, There will be a lot of them, at least, and the speed will be more.
      Quote: domokl
      Spending a lot of money on a completely useless (in wars with a really strong opponent, not with Arabs or Asians) is stupid.

      The praised Arabs are the weapons of the USSR-Russia, or is there something else there?
      1. domokl
        domokl 24 June 2013 09: 13 New
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        Quote: atalef
        The praised Arabs are the weapons of the USSR-Russia, or is there something else there?

        Until today, no one could say that I am not tolerant, but alas ... just become. Arabs are weapons of the USSR, well then let's be honest, Jews are weapons of the United States. Not more than that. And the state itself lives only because in a pose facing an overseas brother ...
        Quote: atalef
        Shamanov also saw beautiful targets (even visually) - UAVs flying in Georgia - there was nothing to bring down.

        Oh, how many times we heard and hear it. There is something to bring down. There was simply no command.
        Quote: atalef
        c-300 by the way in battle, no one has seen the same (

        In order to judge the effectiveness of weapons, it is absolutely not necessary to fight. Strategic nuclear weapons were also not really used, however, I hope you have no desire to test them in your own country?
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 June 2013 09: 22 New
          -20
          Quote: domokl
          Until today, no one could say that I am not tolerant, but alas ... just become. Arabs are weapons of the USSR, well then let's be honest, Jews are weapons of the United States. Not more than that

          More, Alexander, more, Israel is firmly in the 5-ke as the largest arms manufacturer in the world and everything that is shown in Le Bourget, and not only that, is our development. You already know that, but even if the part of the weapon and the staff is important, the result is important, is not it?

          Quote: domokl
          And the state itself lives only because it stands in front of its overseas brother.

          There are different poses you know.

          Quote: domokl
          Oh, how many times we heard and hear it. There is something to bring down. There was simply no command.

          In about Syria, I heard the same thing. they would be hit. JUST A TEAM WASN’T

          Quote: domokl
          In order to judge the effectiveness of weapons, it is absolutely not necessary to fight

          I agree, just Buki, Armor - which in Syria and for a long time, how would you rate their combat use? You don’t need to fight, of course - it’s easier just to shoot grandmothers and keep them in warehouses, so what?

          Quote: domokl
          . Strategic nuclear weapons were not really used either, however, I hope you have no desire to test them in your own country?

          Alexander . you are an adequate person. Well, why go down to baby talk. Israel (according to foreign sources 0 has more than 300 nuclear charges. Why then use letters to measure it, and all the allegations that Syria, Iran or Egypt will erase Israel into powder. - Have you forgotten about nuclear weapons?
          1. domokl
            domokl 24 June 2013 09: 40 New
            15
            Quote: atalef
            Alexander . you are an adequate person. Well, why go down to baby talk. Israel (according to foreign sources 0 has more than 300 nuclear charges

            What do I have to do with the number of charges? Israel will not use it, just because it's scary. Yes, and we with the United States too ... Why?
            The remaining arguments are also emotions and the fruit of a good ideological treatment. What was modern Syria’s armament to its current supplies can be called modern only with a big stretch. Now the situation is changing not in your favor.
            Moreover, if you notice, our attitude towards Israel has changed dramatically. Even though ... There are a quarter of our former people ... as Vysotsky sang, we perfectly remember what a real war of all against all is and how much it will be cost human lives. but you (despite the fact that most of you probably saw the corpses of those killed) have an American attitude towards war. Like a computer game.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 June 2013 10: 07 New
              -15
              Quote: domokl
              What do I have to do with the number of charges? Israel will not use it, simply because it's scary.

              And Russia means it will be (in Israel, as many hint 0 because there is nothing to fear

              Quote: domokl
              What was modern Syria’s armament before its current deliveries can be called modern only with a big stretch. Now the situation is changing not in your favor.

              Honor what weapons all Syria and Egypt had before all the wars - everything was much more in our favor, both qualitatively and quantitatively. And to be honest. I don’t see any qualitative superiority of Russian weapons (delivered to Syria 0 over ours. Or do you think that it does not exist to win the c-300 war? s-300 wunderwafer, superweapon, indestructible m, unsupported, etc.?

              Quote: domokl
              Moreover, if you notice, our attitude towards Israel has changed dramatically.

              Strange by the number of tourists (16% more than last year) this was not affected. As for the turnover, and so on? Or maybe because after the last bombardment Russia expressed only regret. Indeed - the attitude has only improved. What do you mean, expand the answer


              Quote: domokl
              , we perfectly remember what a real war of all against all is and how much it will cost human lives

              You forgot this a long time ago and you personally (unlike me) have never seen (I hope I'm not mistaken) nor the Grad falling in 100. neither Hurricanes in 1-1.5 km nor blown up buses nor 15 sirens per day. Don't learn to live

              Quote: domokl
              American attitude to war

              Alexander. probably the attitude of Americans to the war, you know by reading the press and watching television in the AMERICAN language. belay
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 24 June 2013 10: 28 New
                15
                Quote: atalef
                You forgot this a long time ago and you personally (unlike me) have never seen (I hope I'm not mistaken) nor the Grad falling in 100. neither Hurricanes in 1-1.5 km nor blown up buses nor 15 sirens per day. Don't learn to live

                Why do you teach others to live?
                Be a more peaceful nation-country and do not need all these wonderful tastes.
              2. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution 24 June 2013 11: 38 New
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                You forgot this a long time ago and you personally (unlike me) have never seen (I hope I'm not mistaken) nor the Grad falling in 100. neither Hurricanes in 1-1.5 km nor blown up buses nor 15 sirens per day. Don't learn to live

                Shells from a hurricane?))))
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 June 2013 20: 12 New
                  -6
                  Quote: Phantom Revolution
                  Hurricane shells?

                  Where are the shells mentioned? belay
              3. kapitan281271
                kapitan281271 24 June 2013 14: 17 New
                15
                Sorry, I'm certainly not an expert, but about the quality of Russian weapons, you are bent. Beech tori and the rest are so far only the only complexes in the world that have shot down the F-117. Now for the unrequited raids by Israel on objects in Syria. The strikes were carried out from the depths of the territory of Israel, and perhaps I emphasize that perhaps the operators saw flares on the radar eras, but to use weapons on targets in the territory of another state, for this it is necessary to have extra permission, especially in such a tense situation. Now what I agree with. Our guys again want to slip between ****** and it doesn’t happen either or you help Ased or not. Some excellent complexes are not able to stop a well-prepared air strike, for this we need the entire air defense complex and not half measures that will serve as a result of the C-300 anti-advertising (the complexes will be destroyed no doubt). I am surprised by something else politicians around the world do not care about us and you, but you are an ordinary resident of Israel, do not you understand Ased yours and our last hope if hezbal is dumped and the others seem like a child's party, now half of the freaks in the world who are at war thinks that they are at war with Israel. If that is not so read your koment and specially zaregalsya online and the error is also
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 June 2013 20: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: kapitan281271
                  Blows were carried from the depths of the territory of Israel

                  Private should not be your corporal. Learn the mat part. In the 4th bombardment (according to the Syrians), a blow was struck from the territory of Lebanon (if it can be considered a state at all, and not the estate of Syria), but what about the three previous ones?

                  Quote: kapitan281271
                  oh you ordinary resident of Israel do not you understand your Assad and our last hope

                  I don’t know and don’t understand what your last hope is, but certainly not ours.
                2. S-200
                  S-200 25 June 2013 16: 28 New
                  +2
                  F-117 shot down an old C-125, there is an optical guidance channel that doesn't care about "invisibility" in the radio range laughing
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 25 June 2013 19: 50 New
                    -1
                    Remember how many C-125 had to try on? And nothing would have happened if it were not for the stereotyped actions of NATO aviation.
                  2. S-200
                    S-200 26 June 2013 09: 53 New
                    0
                    The stereotyped nature of NATO aviation is spelled out in textbooks ... Tactics "from the bulldozer" do not change. Therefore, it is necessary to "collect statistics" and "make recommendations" ..
            2. Xnumx kopeek
              Xnumx kopeek 25 June 2013 04: 11 New
              0
              - offset -
              iz.tekhnika only for domestic showdowns, as well as Amer. Pidrioti - / - and still not tired of hanging noodles? the same predictable - And the power of Ross. technology soon learn Jewish propaganda
            3. Xnumx kopeek
              Xnumx kopeek 25 June 2013 04: 11 New
              0
              - offset -
              iz.tekhnika only for domestic showdowns, as well as Amer. Pidrioti - / - and still not tired of hanging noodles? the same predictable - And the power of Ross. technology soon learn Jewish propaganda
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 25 June 2013 05: 15 New
                -1
                Argument, plz
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 24 June 2013 10: 59 New
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          Quote: atalef
          I agree, just Buki, Armor - which in Syria and for a long time, how would you rate their combat use?

          Personally, I evaluate the actions of Israel as vile GMOs in other words ...
          Knocking on the clave with the words about "Buki" and other air defense that missed the Israeli strike .... you are silent under what circumstances this was done.
          1. The country is essentially fighting an internal war with an adversary who has no state and borders and who has no aviation
          2. The blow you struck was essentially in the back and the last one also on Easter night
          3. The blow you struck without crossing the borders of a country which, although it does not have a peace treaty with you, does not wage an open war. and if (suppose) the plane were shot down outside Syria, you would be the first to wring your hands with the words the bloody regime shot down our pigeon who did not think to attack and did not cross the border at all .. this is your standard two-faced position.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 13: 49 New
            -15
            Quote: Scoun
            2. The blow you struck was essentially in the back and the last one also on Easter night

            This is of course significant when the Jews bomb Muslims. laughing

            Quote: Scoun
            3. You struck without crossing the border

            Enough of fairy tales, the reactor was bombed - when there was no war in Syria. whether or not they entered - it’s fairy tales or stupidity, you just don’t know the distance to BV, and I repeat it was 4 times. It’s enough to deliver the entire air defense if there is no count, then just zero.
            1. Scoun
              Scoun 24 June 2013 14: 41 New
              +7
              Quote: atalef
              Enough of fairy tales, Reactor bombed

              Well, in general, I'm not talking about the reactor about the winter and spring bombing
              I heard the bombing of the reactor with my ear and don’t know the details I didn’t hear (but I’ll google it) because I was busy with completely different problems (((
              Quote: atalef
              It’s enough to deliver the entire air defense if there is no count, then just zero.

              And I think no one will deny this .. if it’s calculations such training to zero like “rocket launcher in Arabic does not understand” this is one .. but it can be like in the case of an airplane on Red Square .. everyone saw everyone was responsible for the current no one wanted to take ...
              What the Syrians were guided by, I don’t know .. either the hands of a scrabble or deliberately didn’t want to aggravate, given that before that they tried to resolve the issue peacefully. (post below).
            2. Scoun
              Scoun 24 June 2013 15: 20 New
              +7
              Quote: atalef
              Enough of fairy tales, the reactor was bombed - when there was no war in Syria. logged in or not

              um what did you find
              http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2007/10/29/iran-RF-makam/print

              The cursor has already reported that one of the first versions of the explanation of the Israeli raid on Syria was to check the possibility of drowning the Russian and Iranian radar stations there, in particular those that are part of the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems.

              Aviation Week wrote that before Israeli planes invaded Syrian airspace, the Syrian air defense system’s radars were temporarily blinded by an ultra-modern electron gun. Senior Air Force officers and e-war specialists told weekly editor David Pulham what the Israelis used, obviously, an electronic radar suppression system for the enemy, identical to the US Sotar system, which has been successfully tested in Afghanistan and Iraq.

              there is such a version

              http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3467106,00.html

              There was no air defense system around the attacked object.

              there is such
              Syrian intelligence general arrested for espionage
              publication time: 09: 34
              last update: 09: 51
              http://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/13feb2008/gener308.html

              According to the website debka.co.il, 50-year-old Syrian general Labid Salame, who commanded the 225 unit (radio-electronic intelligence of the Syrian army), was removed from his post and taken into custody.

              According to debka.co.il, the reason for the arrest of Salama, one of the highest-ranking officers of the Syrian army, was an attack on the Syrian nuclear facility by Israel in September 2007, during which Israeli aircraft managed to quietly escape from Syrian radars.

              Why convince so?
              Israel persuaded the US not to publish data on the bombing of Syria
              publication time: 10: 44
              last update: 10: 44
              http://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/13apr2008/usa_isr8008.html

              lastly .. which of the tales to believe? give your version?
              Israel did not know that it was bombing
              -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------



              03.02 23: 18 MIGnews.com

              Israel did not have a clear idea of ​​the purpose of the Syrian military facility, which became the target of the IDF in September last year.

              This conclusion was made by The New-Yorker reporter, Pulitzer Prize winner, Seymour Hersh.

              In an article to be published next week, Hersh claims that Israel made the decision to attack before the exact target was determined.

              Speaking with a comment on CNN, Hersh said the main target of the attack was to warn Iran. He added that this could explain the total silence of all parties involved in the incident.

              I repeat, at that time I was busy with affairs far from the world, so to speak ... if I share the information I would be grateful.
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 June 2013 16: 06 New
                -8
                Quote: Scoun
                Why convince so?

                Israel (if you notice) never comments on its operations and asks not to comment on others (primarily the United States and other friendly countries)


                Quote: Scoun
                Israel did not have a clear idea of ​​the purpose of the Syrian military facility, which became the target of the IDF in September last year.

                This conclusion was made by The New-Yorker reporter, Pulitzer Prize winner, Seymour Hersh.

                I don’t know where he dug it from, but what about the news. to the press and subsequent reports - there was no doubt
                Quote: Scoun
                Speaking with a comment on CNN, Hersh said the main target of the attack was to warn Iran. He added that this could explain the total silence of all parties involved in the incident.

                Syria was silently understandable why. because despite the fact that the military at the site of the reactor tore up everything (including the soil layer), the IAEA inspectors vseravno found there the remains of plutonium
                But Israel never confirms or refutes, therefore even our commentators in the news say, according to foreign sources.
            3. Swag
              Swag 24 June 2013 15: 26 New
              11
              I’m tired of reading you, I’ll just ask you, what is so much noise because of the supplies of c-300 to Syria, since you are all right, why are you worried? Anyway, there are doubts, are there ...?
              1. SSR
                SSR 24 June 2013 22: 06 New
                +2
                Judging by the post below ..
                Quote: Swag
                All the same, there are doubts, there are ...?

                for it turns out Israel is clearly violating the ceasefire .. and the provocative shelling by the militants may qualify as a violation of the treaty by Syria.
                Quote: atalef
                in a state of ceasefire

                I hope the Base will appear in Cyprus .. + I hope Snowden is the second swallow ....
          2. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 20: 20 New
            -4
            Quote: Scoun
            The blow you struck without crossing the borders of a country which, although it does not have a peace treaty with you, does not wage an open war.

            With Lebanon and Syria, we are in a state of ceasefire, this is not only not a peace treaty, it is not even a truce.
        3. Jin
          Jin 24 June 2013 13: 10 New
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          More, Alexander, more, Israel is firmly in the 5-ke as the largest arms manufacturer in the world and everything that is shown in Le Bourget, and not only that, is our development.


          And Su-35 with your development? It's a deal then! Come in 5-it is commendable, who tells you the opposite? And Russia goes to the 2-th place in the world in sales of weapons, this has not happened since the days of the USSR. For all 20 years, all sorts of “headworms”, including ours, tried to step on the chest, of course, we “sagged” in many areas, this is not for long, it has been tested for centuries ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 13: 51 New
            -6
            Quote: Jin
            And Su-35 with your development?

            And this is to do with it.
            Quote: Jin
            Come in 5-it is commendable, who tells you the opposite?

            Then someone is strenuously proving. that all weapons in Israel are American.

            Quote: Jin
            For all 20 years, all sorts of “headworms”, including ours, tried to step on the chest, of course, we “sagged” in many areas, this is not for long, it has been tested for centuries ...

            Yes, it has to do with it. It seems that Israel is competing with Russia.
            1. Jin
              Jin 24 June 2013 14: 01 New
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              What does it have to do with


              You say that EVERYTHING shown at Le Bourget is your development, well, here I may not quite understand the context ...

              Quote: atalef
              Then someone is strenuously proving. that all weapons in Israel are American.


              Well, of course, this is from not knowing the mat part, but maybe they didn’t put it quite exactly as they wanted


              Quote: atalef
              Yes, it has to do with it. It seems that Israel is competing with Russia.


              I'm talking about the fact that in your comments, zero ratings for the work of our Carapace, therefore, "hooked" ... I completely disagree with this, about this my post to you below.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 24 June 2013 16: 15 New
                -3
                He meant - at Israeli stands
        4. beard999
          beard999 24 June 2013 15: 02 New
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          Buki, Armor - which are in Syria for a long time, how do you rate their combat use

          And in Syria there was a “combat use” of Bukov and Shell? Ready to present evidence?
          As for the combat effectiveness of Syrian air defense. Here, for example, is the British opinion on this subject: “The British Air Force risks losing up to 50% of the fighters that will participate in the operation” http://telegrafist.org/2013/06/18/65859/.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 15: 24 New
            -5
            Quote: beard999
            And in Syria there was a “combat use” of Bukov and Shell? Ready to present evidence?
            So I say that it was not. They stood dead weight, but they must somehow react to the aircraft of the adversaries.

            Quote: beard999
            As for the combat effectiveness of Syrian air defense. Here, for example, is the British opinion on this subject: “The British Air Force risks losing up to 50% of the fighters that will participate in the operation”

            Yes, to hell with these British. they risk losing 50%. and we take risks and do not lose. Now the question is, do Syrians dislike Britons and love Jews? I do not believe.
            1. beard999
              beard999 24 June 2013 22: 20 New
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              They stood dead weight, but they must somehow react to the aircraft of the adversaries

              Well, why did you get the idea that the objects of Israeli airstrikes were covered by Buk air defense systems or Pantsir air defense systems? Even at Buk-M2E, the radius of the affected area is less than 50 km. These complexes control far from all of Syria. In addition, do not forget that part of the country's territory is under the control of militants, and air defense systems can not be relocated to all areas. And those who plan such airstrikes in Israel are not complete nerds. Surely they knew that there was no serious cover in the areas of attack. Moreover, everything is so close there that part of the air strikes Israel generally inflicts from its territory http://ria.ru/world/20130504/935803488-print.html.
              Quote: atalef
              and to hell with these British. they risk losing 50%. and we take risks and do not lose

              Do not lose solely because you did not work. The British then talk about losses (50%) during full-scale hostilities, and not about your pinpricks, when not a large group of planes bomb one object and immediately roll back.
              Quote: atalef
              Do Syrians dislike Britons and love Jews? I do not believe.

              Your cheap show-offs do not completely cancel the fact that, as soon as it became known about the implementation of the C-300 contract, Netanyahu, as a scalded one, rushed to Moscow to beg Putin not to deliver them, under the pretext that this would upset the "balance of power in the Middle East" . Apparently your prime minister, unlike you, does not take this matter lightly.
              1. Denis
                Denis 24 June 2013 23: 33 New
                +4
                Quote: beard999
                as soon as it became known about the implementation of the C-300 contract, Netanyahu, as scalded, rushed to Moscow to beg Putin not to deliver them, under the pretext that this would upset the "balance of power in the Middle East."
                Huge cunning. Air defense is still a means of defense, which can not be said about this extolled bomb
                An interesting balance is obtained
    2. S-200
      S-200 24 June 2013 09: 19 New
      +3
      why do you think that we do not have the opportunity to supply our "old" modernized C-300 to Syria ??? Guess how many of them in Russia since the days of the Union?
      1. atalef
        atalef 24 June 2013 09: 41 New
        -6
        Quote: S-200
        why do you think that we do not have the opportunity to supply our "old" modernized C-300 to Syria ??? Guess how many of them in Russia since the days of the Union?

        Of course, I understand that it sounds cool, only export and for own aircraft with-300 are very different. I'm not talking about a friend or foe system. staff training, etc. etc. Even in the details too lazy to climb. Russia can supply soy X-NUMX only with its own combat calculations - = which will not be clear.
        1. S-200
          S-200 24 June 2013 10: 20 New
          +3
          C-300 was originally built on a modular basis, if that tells you something ... Therefore, it does not present technical problems to replace several blocks with an “export” or modernized version.
        2. Denis
          Denis 24 June 2013 23: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Russia can supply soya-300 soybeans only with its own combat calculations - = which will not be clear
          How to know, how to know ...
          In the post-Soviet space, there are enough soldiers left out of work, some of whom served in air defense
    3. DEfindER
      DEfindER 24 June 2013 09: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: atalef
      According to the results of 3's strikes, its effectiveness is not just 0, but goes into minus. S-300, by the way, no one has seen the same thing in battle so far

      Well, like Israel used when striking Syria, just bombs without engines, which for beech trees are not an achievable goal, they need to be knocked down by tori. Or PZRK, but first you need a powerful radar to detect such small objects, without it Syria will be difficult to defend, because enemy aircraft will not enter its space at all.
      1. atalef
        atalef 24 June 2013 10: 11 New
        -7
        Quote: DEfindER
        Well, like Israel used when striking Syria, just bombs without engines
        Does it matter ?
        Quote: DEfindER
        that for beech trees is not an achievable goal, they need to be knocked down by tori which

        Well, firstly, it seems as it is. and secondly, in general, the art of war - how is it? Use weapons that are shot down or what is still different. Or make an air defense that does not knock anything down?

        Quote: DEfindER
        but first you need a powerful radar to detect such small objects, without it Syria will be difficult to defend, because enemy aircraft will not enter its space at all

        Read info about Syrian air defense. its radars block the territory of Israel 10 times.
        1. Vlad_Mir
          Vlad_Mir 24 June 2013 11: 48 New
          +7
          I never thought that the Jews were so warlike! You simply choke with foam from aggression! Strange somehow! It seems that you own Russian!
        2. Perch_xnumx
          Perch_xnumx 24 June 2013 11: 55 New
          +9
          Read info about Syrian air defense. its radars block the territory of Israel 10 times.
          So are we still dealing with an expert? The question is, that bandits do not count everywhere, and in this connection, in what condition are the radars and air defenses, how outdated are the radars, how much do they meet the requirements of working in the conditions of a reb?
          Best defense is attack. In this regard, it would be nice to launch Iskander-e into a large-scale series, and saturate the relevant regions.
          But after all, the Israeli premieres immediately jump like loaches in a pan, they will be pulled by the wedges of the delegation to Moscow. They refused to Iran and what did they get in the end? Yes, nothing to Russia as they spat and spit. So what's the point of caving in under Israel, for altruism, the friendship of peoples, and the fact that there are many immigrants - so they seem to be no longer friends to us and wanted to spit on us and what they are doing to us.
        3. DEfindER
          DEfindER 24 June 2013 17: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          and secondly, in general, the art of war - how is it?

          The highest art of war is to prevent it altogether, in which you are still very weak!
          Quote: atalef
          Read info about Syrian air defense. its radars block the territory of Israel 10 times.

          Syria now has radars the year before last, I talked about the need for modern detection systems ..
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 24 June 2013 11: 03 New
        15
        Quote: DEfindER
        because enemy aircraft will not enter its space at all.

        Well then, you have to hit the aggressor’s territory itself, for example, “Tochka” in response to airbases .. (impunity perverts more and more).
        1. sasha127
          sasha127 24 June 2013 12: 09 New
          +4
          Scouh. Rightly said, to the point.
    4. Kirgudum
      Kirgudum 24 June 2013 10: 49 New
      10
      Shamanov also saw beautiful targets (even visually) - UAVs flying in Georgia - there was nothing to bring down
      - this Shamanov was given to you. Do you seriously believe that Russia was not armed with the means to shoot down your drones? Or was it only the 58 Army on the march?

      there was nothing to bring down
      - What, really, really nothing? But what about this:
      ?
      1. Professor
        24 June 2013 12: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Kirgudum
        this Shaman was given to you. Do you seriously believe that Russia was not armed with the means to shoot down your drones? Or was it only the 58 Army on the march?

        Respect to General Shamanov, as well as to everyone who sniffed gunpowder, and not only tapped the clave. He complained about UAVs in Abkhazia and the 58-I army and the march had nothing to do with it.
        1. pavelfi
          pavelfi 24 June 2013 16: 51 New
          0
          prof, you would also want to answer the question-why is Israel to overthrow Assad, it’s not logical, is it better a bunch of bandits
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 24 June 2013 17: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: pavelfi
            prof, you would also want to answer the question-why is Israel to overthrow Assad, it’s not logical, is it better a bunch of bandits

            I think there are several reasons: 1) For assistance in promoting Qatari gas to Europe, Israel will receive a solid jackpot; 2) "Dismantling" Syria will always remove the issue of territories occupied by Israel from the agenda; 3) Will secure Israel’s technological superiority in the region; 4) After the change of power in Syria, Qatar and Saudi Arabia will cease to need some “freedom fighters” - their funding will cease, they will be declared terrorists and will become easy prey for the IDF with another seizure of territory for the “buffer zone” ...
          2. Professor
            24 June 2013 19: 15 New
            -2
            Quote: pavelfi
            prof, you would also want to answer the question-why is Israel to overthrow Assad, it’s not logical, is it better a bunch of bandits

            Israel has not yet decided whether it is worth it to overthrow Assad and maintains neutrality.
    5. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 24 June 2013 11: 12 New
      +4
      Speaking of the effectiveness of the rest of the air defense with Buki (like the modernized Byelorussians in 2011-12, etc. - I heard a lot.) According to the results of 3 attacks, its effectiveness is not just 0, but goes into minus.
      c-300, by the way, in battle, no one has yet seen the same thing (unlike the vaunted Buk, who successfully failed everything that was possible.)
      Cool Israeli experts are touched. In order for air defense to work efficiently, it must be effectively saturated, in all directions. The attack aircraft cannot get a BUK, all the more escaped, for example, from a breach in the air defense zone. Air defense, by the way, is active means like interceptors.
      And how would a similar American or Israeli railway station work? in case it was smeared with a thin layer over the area.
      And another question is how would a Hezbollah use air-to-air missiles from beech or s-300 to strike at Israel?
      1. atalef
        atalef 24 June 2013 13: 56 New
        -1
        Quote: Perch_1
        Cool Israeli experts are touched. In order for the air defense to work

        You touch me even more. for . for the air defense to work. it should work. those. Destroy enemy aircraft. the rest is nonsense. I do not need the reasons why they did not bring down. the fact itself is sufficient for me. that 4 times Israel bombed in Syria without losses and without problems. The rest. you can wave your fists as much as you like after a fight.
        1. Perch_xnumx
          Perch_xnumx 24 June 2013 15: 39 New
          +3
          it should work. those. Destroy enemy aircraft. the rest is nonsense.
          And on this basis, you started complexes that you put in Syria. The fact that they put it is not even half measures, it is a drop in the ocean.
          No one knows what your iron dome really is. What besides flying scrap he came across.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 20: 26 New
            -3
            Quote: Perch_1
            And on this basis, you started complexes that you put in Syria

            Well no . in parades, they apparently look good. but howls in a real battle, as it’s not very, or rather not at all

            Quote: Perch_1
            The fact that they put it is not even half measures, it is a drop in the ocean.

            Check out
            In Syria’s air defense they serve more than in the Air Force and Navy combined — air defense — 60t and only a third of all ground forces (200t)

            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D1%91%D0%BD%D0
            %BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8#.D0.9F.D
            0.92.D0.9E_.D0.A1.D0.B8.D1.80.D0.B8.D0.B8
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 25 June 2013 01: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Well no . in parades, they apparently look good. but howls in a real battle, as it’s not very, or rather not at all

              Personally, I didn’t understand what you, Atalef, stuck with the shells and beech trees .... During the raid on the reactor, in 2007 they were NOT ALL IN SYRIA!) And right now I won’t say that there are a lot of 28 beeches (all ), but 36 shell ... all over the country ... Plus, they have a medium and small range, and your Air Force most likely shot outside their range (at least the shell), if you recall recent events ... And forget about the "reactor", do not disgrace)
    6. Bekzat
      Bekzat 24 June 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      For Atalef, there is another system, the “Shell”, no one knows the exact quantity, but about 40-46 pieces, I think the “Shells” will be able to cover C-300, and the “Buki” too.
  3. Andrey57
    Andrey57 24 June 2013 09: 07 New
    18
    The Arabs once demonstrated in Abu Dhabi in the cabin how our short-range air defense system knocked out a single hail projectile from a turn of 180 degrees, a very nice sight, moreover, it was fired in half a kilometer, the complex turned around and dropped the shell, and a piece flew off from the blank big, so they hit it too. A bomb with wings is definitely not a question, and you can shoot at them from C-300, if you are not friends with your head at all laughing
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 09: 13 New
      -12
      Quote: Andrey57
      The Arabs once demonstrated in Abu Dhabi at the salon how our short-range air defense system shot down an od hail from a turn of 180 degrees, a very pretty sight,

      Drop the link, please.
      1. Suvorov000
        Suvorov000 24 June 2013 11: 38 New
        +4
        One thing that makes me know is that you speak so violently and truthfully that you don’t know that it’s just joyful for you. Those who do this just go to the tests at the exhibition to draw conclusions and think further.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 June 2013 13: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        the short-range air defense system shot down a single hail projectile from a turn in 180 degrees, a very pretty sight,
        Drop the link, please.

        In 1986 in August, Osoy was shot down during exercises in Kazakhstan and there was more than one shell (I saw it with my own eyes, believe it or not).
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 June 2013 13: 57 New
          -3
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          In 1986 in August, Osoy was shot down during exercises in Kazakhstan and there was more than one shell (I saw it with my own eyes, believe it or not).

          I saw how the Dome knocks down. like a wasp - I don’t know. have not seen.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 24 June 2013 15: 29 New
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            I saw how the Dome knocks down. like a wasp - I don’t know. have not seen

            The Iron Dome air defense system was adopted in the 2011 year, and would have been very surprised if it had not shot down non-maneuvering targets.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 June 2013 20: 27 New
              0
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              The Iron Dome air defense system was adopted in the 2011 year, I would be very surprised if it did not bring down non-maneuvering targets

              Do not wonder . The dome is not intended to destroy maneuvering targets.
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 24 June 2013 22: 50 New
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Do not wonder . The dome is not intended to destroy maneuvering targets.

                But the box office worked well, which causes respect for the creators
                The trend on the forum has recently begun to strain, as they see the Israeli flag, the minuses immediately begin to sculpt, presumably without even reading the comments, this is not good.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 25 June 2013 06: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  But the box office worked well, which causes respect for the creators
                  Kassam, like Grad, is not an agile target. and flying along a ballistic trajectory.
                2. Professor
                  25 June 2013 08: 40 New
                  +3
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  The trend on the forum has recently begun to strain, as they see the Israeli flag, the minuses immediately begin to sculpt, presumably without even reading the comments, this is not good.

                  Not recently, it has always been so. In the beginning, even the administration, at my request, showed the Israelis under German flags. Then they considered that the people had matured and was able to be objective, IMHO they hurried. Personally, I'm not interested in cons, annoying the number of Natsik.
    2. S-200
      S-200 24 June 2013 09: 20 New
      +2
      good ....Of course !
  • mark1
    mark1 24 June 2013 08: 55 New
    21
    Why use C-300 on a planning bomb (if it is, of course, not an atomic bomb) - it's like firing a sparrow at a sparrow from a cannon, or rather on a pack of sparrows. There is such a criterion - “cost-effectiveness”. To hit an expensive C-300 missile with a cheap bomb is close to idiocy. Planning bombs perfectly “pinch” “Shells” and “Torahs” and even “Wasps”, and C-300 will most likely be used on a carrier until it approaches the line of discharge (launch). At an altitude of 13000m - the carrier is at a glance.
    1. S-200
      S-200 24 June 2013 09: 21 New
      +2
      good ....Of course !
    2. Idolum
      Idolum 24 June 2013 09: 34 New
      +7
      I was always touched by discussions about how to overcome long-range anti-aircraft defense, while it is “forgotten” by the reasoners that such complexes (C-300) as a rule do not work without their “retinue” (the same “armor” and “torus”) .
  • bairat
    bairat 24 June 2013 09: 18 New
    -1
    He can see what he sees, only the cost of the planning bomb is insignificant, and it turns out like in a saying: from a gun on sparrows.
  • the polar
    the polar 24 June 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    I doubt this clever bomb! If I'm not mistaken, the X-NUMX even sees small objects and it doesn’t matter whether they plan or fly. It’s pointless to use stealth technologies, since a long time ago in the USSR it was proved that it was impossible to completely hide an object. They put a radio jamming system in a bomb + they’re afraid, I don’t believe it. This is infa inf so that local democracies calm and no more!

    In general, some stupidity is written in the article. The bomb has no engine, and has small wings for free planning. Even if there is super-optoelectronic GN, how does it reach a given target, at what speed, how does the planning direction adjust, and why are Jews confident that they will not be eliminated by short-range air defense systems covering C-300 complexes.
  • Rink
    Rink 24 June 2013 12: 08 New
    +3
    Shooting a bomb is not the task of the C300.
    The ZRPK Pantsir, which was created for such work — object cover, column protection on the march, etc., will do just fine with this trifle.

    The carapace will remove the bombs, even if there are several, and the C300 will get the one who dropped them. Israel may be calm ...
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 24 June 2013 17: 35 New
    +1
    tronin.maxim "..... I doubt this clever bomb! If I am not mistaken, c-300 even sees small objects and it doesn’t matter if they plan or fly ...."

    The Iron Dome gained worldwide fame during Operation Pillar of Fire due to its NOT ability to intercept missiles of various types. "- Even the Israelis themselves recognized a rather low percentage of shot down targets.
    I hope that the announced Israeli rackets possess similar characteristics.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 June 2013 17: 38 New
    +1
    Bombs are relatively cheap. You can do so much that, firstly, you can’t get everything down, and secondly, the missiles will end.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 24 June 2013 21: 25 New
      0
      Yes, at least all the warehouses were covered with these bombs! I read the comments of all those arguing here, both Jews and non-Jews, you are carrying all nonsense! If hostilities begin, then not only smart bombs are destroyed, but also runways, airplanes at airfields and in the air, all air defense systems, nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction. Then land targets. For this, Russian ships are constantly located near Israel. Well, Syria and Iran will conduct a ground operation. BUT, this scenario will come true if the "bold" Israelis decide that it is time for the Jews to self-destruct!
  • Quiet
    Quiet 24 June 2013 19: 17 New
    0
    Put the radio jamming system in the bomb

    This radio suppression system will also knock down its missiles !!! am
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 25 June 2013 18: 44 New
    +1
    I completely agree with you, another bluff from Israel. I would, possessing such weapons as this next bomb, keep quiet in a rag in order to pleasantly surprise the enemy. And Israel puffs out her cheeks, and squeaks from despair. Otherwise, Jews would not come to bow to the GDP.
  • bulvas
    bulvas 25 June 2013 18: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    I doubt this clever bomb!


    the Israelis are somehow not interested in the doubts of the "Red Marshals"
    they simply defeat everyone around them, both with the new "smart" and with the old conventional weapons and with minimal casualties.
    There will be "smart bombs" - there will be even less losses of their people
  • mvkot120669
    mvkot120669 3 September 2013 02: 48 New
    0
    Does 300 see? C-300 never participated in the fighting! C-300 has not been tested in real conditions ... Anything can happen with C-300, but its parameters are only “declared parameters” ... I remember that there were such jambs with our weapons that some people had Ass ...
  • KoRSaR1
    KoRSaR1 5 December 2013 15: 53 New
    0
    But it is vulnerable like no other, such a bird flies, without an engine, with such a small reflection that it doesn’t even burn its c-300, here it flies itself quietly and peacefully, and bang, for the 300, the cover needs an armor or tung , they have a radar that shoots small targets at an altitude of 10-14 meters with a low reflection About the tandem from our air defense, I’m generally silent, there circles 120-80-40-20-5 cover the zones.
  • Hammer
    Hammer 24 June 2013 07: 59 New
    16
    Parts of electronic warfare are our everything ... I’m sure a few boys with Chinese laser pointers can easily ignore this threat. laughing laughing laughing
    Joke. )))))
    Seriously, not everything is so rosy with our Euchreis dhruzy. The weapon is certainly serious, but there are also methods to counter such systems. This is both technical means and tactical techniques. This bomb, of course, can greatly complicate the life of an air defense system, but it won’t be able to become a panacea for air defense ... In general, Tel Aviv is again intimidating. But the fact that completely eliminating the threat of the C-300 mot is only becoming a full-fledged land operation. Those. full-blown invasion. And only Israel can implement this in the region, but the question is whether he will do it? I so see that no.
    Wait and see. ))))))))
    1. igor36
      igor36 24 June 2013 08: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: Hammer
      For every tricky bomb, there is also a SAM with a screw!

      Based on the published bombs of similar bombs, the actual range of use of 60-75 km at a drop height of 13000 m. It follows that the possibility of such an attack exists. The biggest danger is a massive simultaneous strike by several dozen bombs, because in this case everything will depend on the capabilities of the air defense control system.
      1. slvevg
        slvevg 24 June 2013 11: 06 New
        +1
        You are right, in a competent war there will be a lot of obstacles of various kinds, false targets from different directions, the mass rise of all aviation without entering the affected area, in such a situation there will be a huge load on both equipment and personnel, and if the combat crew is unskilled then the missiles will be used up on the bases, and it takes time to reload, then real friends will come !!! As one of the options.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 25 June 2013 19: 37 New
          0
          For shooting everything in a row there is C75, C100 and Thor with Buk.
          There are Shilki, Shipka and Shell-S1.

          As one of the options.
        2. dustycat
          dustycat 25 June 2013 19: 37 New
          0
          For shooting everything in a row there is C75, C100 and Thor with Buk.
          There are Shilki, Shipka and Shell-S1.

          As one of the options.
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 24 June 2013 11: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: igor36
        Based on published TTX similar bombs real range 60-75 km with dump height 13000 m. It follows that the possibility of such a strike exists

        Subject to the selected parameters, this is an ideal target for training beginners.
        1. igor36
          igor36 24 June 2013 12: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: Scoun
          Subject to the selected parameters, this is an ideal target for training beginners.

          I agree that only the Israelis can reset from their territory, i.e. the first mass strike cannot be prevented.
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 24 June 2013 12: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: igor36
            I agree that only the Israelis can reset from their territory, i.e. the first mass strike cannot be prevented.

            What is actually talking about .. because if you shoot down over the territory of Israel itself preventively, Bibi will wring pens and say that the "dove" was shot down.
          2. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 24 June 2013 14: 00 New
            +2
            What will be the result? there is hope for 100% destruction of long-range air defense. I think that no one can give such a guarantee. as a result, the remaining air defense will carry out the massacre of aircraft, especially not understanding their involvement. how much does C-300 break through? almost through all of Israel.
            in principle, I can’t understand Israel’s policy towards Syria. Yes, for 40 years he has not had peace with Syria. but there is no war. Assad is a perfectly sane politician, no shelling, they already wrote that the Syrian-Israeli border was the most peaceful. Well, Assad will be blamed, and who in return? those that are ready to eat a heart? what will happen after this, a new hot war? what for?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 24 June 2013 14: 15 New
              -1
              What for?

              It is not for the Jews to ask such a question, but for their master.
            2. Roll
              Roll 24 June 2013 14: 20 New
              +2
              wassat Israeli politics is simple and straightforward. He is afraid of only massive armies. When there was a doomsday war and the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan flooded him, he was saved by a miracle and the ability to fight. Territories populated by terrorists, instead of states, are not afraid of him. Therefore, ruining the Arabs as a state is an important task, and the world caliphate is a myth.
            3. dustycat
              dustycat 25 June 2013 19: 45 New
              +1
              Even 60% will not be smashed.
              Even in this case, the remaining 40% (and with cover of the Shell and more) and even the C75 and C100 will land everything that takes off, flies and lands on the territory of Israel.
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 June 2013 13: 39 New
        +6
        Quote: igor36
        The biggest danger is a massive simultaneous strike by several dozen bombs, because in this case everything will depend on the capabilities of the air defense control system.

        Rafael Oren Uriel said the bomb is equipped with an "optoelectronic homing head and an algorithm to compare the image of the target with the image stored in the memory of the bomb
        Probably you need to put along with C-300 a large number of inflatable rubber mock-ups.
      4. Hammer
        Hammer 25 June 2013 12: 29 New
        0
        Quote: igor36
        Based on the published bombs of similar bombs, the actual range of use of 60-75 km at a drop height of 13000 m. It follows that the possibility of such an attack exists. The biggest danger is a massive simultaneous strike by several dozen bombs, because in this case everything will depend on the capabilities of the air defense control system.

        Well, I’m saying that the comrades from Israel are pushing us ... the range of 75 km from a height of 13 km is a guarantee of destruction of the carrier even before entering the bombing zone. A massive blow with these bombs is certainly dangerous. But I think that here everything will depend not only (and not so much) on the capabilities of the air defense control system. Here, the coherence in the work of the air defense systems, dowries of the security units (camouflage, electronic warfare, radio-frequency control) will be extremely important. Those. from the complexity of the work to ensure the survivability of three hundred. Because, as rightly said here, three hundred itself is naked.
        "And Karol is naked!" (c) C-300 - King of Air Defense! This is undeniable! But the naked king, if he is alone. smile
      5. dustycat
        dustycat 25 June 2013 19: 26 New
        +1
        As far as I remember PZRAK Shell is just including against these ammunition.
        And Syria already has them ..
        And the option will be like that.
        1. Air Force IDF attacks with these bombs everything that can.
        2: 50% C-300 maximum is destroyed.
        3. Syrian air defense systems C-300, C-75 and Thor "lands" everything that takes off, flies and lands in Israel. Perhaps everything that responds with an answering machine to radiation.
        4: This is where the C-300 ammunition ends, but it no longer matters.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 25 June 2013 22: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: dustycat
          3. Syrian air defense systems C-300, C-75 and Thor "lands" everything that takes off, flies and lands in Israel. Perhaps everything that responds with an answering machine to radiation.

          The argument is far from reality:
          1. C-300 isn’t there yet! And when will they be, how much?
          2. C-75, C-125 - hospitals scattered throughout the country and their location is not a secret at all, and given the range of 25-35 km, it’s not a problem to launch an attack out of their reach (or knock in the main direction of the strike), in addition, they outdated ...
          3. C-200 - these yes, they can get it, especially modernized ones, but again they are the 2 shelf (44 installations of everything) throughout the country.
          4. Syria has no THOR! Instead, a number of old Wasp and Arrow
          5. Syria NO Tungusok! 36 Shell of current and all!
          6. From medium, mobile there are many Cubes, 20 old beeches and 8 new ones. But this again is for the whole country and their range is 30-40 km.
          Those. if we consider the situation without "ured patriotism," then air strikes from unexpected directions, by small forces, from their (neutral) territory and from afar are more than possible. The attackers can get the currents of the Angara and Vega, well, mb missiles can bring down the rest of the air defense and can ... partially. But only with a rosklad, an operational response (and I do not think that the Israelis are so stupid and will allow themselves to be spotted on the ball). It is a completely different question if this is not targeted punches, but a general war. Then even such an old and short-range anti-aircraft defense can do business ... after all, there are quite a lot of different installations there, and there are planes ...
    2. slvevg
      slvevg 24 June 2013 10: 57 New
      +3
      This morning, one of the most competent comments, plus YOU. hi
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  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 24 June 2013 08: 25 New
    +2
    Duc S-300 and the ground forces of the BUK and Ptsnir are covering, this is the target for them, as I understand it ... fellow
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 24 June 2013 10: 09 New
      0
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      Duc C-300 and the ground forces of the BUK and the Carapace are also covering, this is the target for them, as I understand it ... fellow

      Well, the armor is not yet covered with air defense (the chassis on the goose is still a little expensive for our Defense Ministry), but the Tungusks are covered.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 24 June 2013 08: 25 New
    +4
    you can’t save any missiles for each
    1. mogus
      mogus 24 June 2013 10: 14 New
      +2
      to drop bombs, you need to start, be able to enter, deep enough into the air defense ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 24 June 2013 10: 20 New
        -3
        Quote: mogus
        to drop bombs, you need to start, be able to enter, deep enough into the air defense zone.

        Interestingly, I am now writing from the air defense zone — I am in Haifa (by the way, this is already the westernmost point of Israel, the coast is peaceful) and from me to Damascus 120 km? wassat
        1. mogus
          mogus 24 June 2013 11: 06 New
          +3
          Situation: C-300 delivered. Deployed. Entered combat duty. Everything that can bring down anti-aircraft defense is lost.
          Your actions? You need to climb to the dump height
          (only at first you need to smoke something to imagine such a situation. Nobody will bring this up. It's no wonder Putin and the heads of intelligence met with Netanyahu ...). Near Damascus is unlikely to be installed.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 14: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: mogus
            Situation: C-300 delivered. Deployed. Entered combat duty. Everything that can bring down anti-aircraft defense is lost.

            Quote: mogus
            Your actions

            the plane took off from the base of Ramat David (one of the largest air force bases) - 90 km from Damascus (at the same time deep into Israeli territory) and began to gain altitude, of course - your actions.?
            Quote: mogus
            Near Damascus is unlikely to be installed.

            And where ?
            1. wasjasibirjac
              wasjasibirjac 24 June 2013 14: 05 New
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              the plane took off from the base of Ramat David (one of the largest air force bases) - 90 km from Damascus (at the same time deep into Israeli territory) and began to gain altitude, of course - your actions.?

              report of the battery commander - target single high-speed single consumption two FIRE. Do you need it?
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 24 June 2013 14: 18 New
                +1
                spruce high-speed single consumption two FIRE. Do you need it?

                And how will the radar enlighten through the golan?
                1. mogus
                  mogus 24 June 2013 17: 00 New
                  +5
                  through the heights in any way. Here we discuss the possibility of using this bomb. To reset it, you need to rise to a height of several kilometers ... what Golan.
            2. mogus
              mogus 24 June 2013 14: 29 New
              +3
              To say exactly where, you need to visit the place ... I already gave an example from the Moscow missile defense A-135, when the launchers in Kazakhstan. The place should be flat, the PU itself is on a hill so that it is not discreetly picked up.
              You have been warned that any aircraft will be destroyed.
              Battery Commander Report - Target High-Speed ​​Single Consumption Two FIRE
              A funeral for the pilot's relatives.
              But in order to get to this ... fantasizing only stoned ...
              1. Professor
                24 June 2013 14: 32 New
                -2
                Quote: mogus
                To say exactly where, you need to go to the place ...

                Open a topographic map or something or Google Earth. bully
                1. mogus
                  mogus 24 June 2013 15: 16 New
                  +1
                  You posted me the map above. From Damascus, sector, northeast ...
                  But can you explain to me why you need a no-fly zone above you? You, like, like the USA and Co. are not going to climb there ..?
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 24 June 2013 11: 22 New
          10
          Quote: atalef
          Interestingly, I am now writing from the air defense zone — I am in Haifa (by the way, this is already the westernmost point of Israel, the coast is peaceful) and from me to Damascus 120 km?

          So you yourself answered all the questions ... if the planes start to pour on your head and Syria starts saying that they shot down Israeli planes who wanted to drop planning bombs and missiles in Damascus (similar to your excuse about supposedly missiles for Hezbollah) and will make a brick face .. you yourself are the first and stain the monitor with righteous anger .. for your anger is more righteous than all the righteous.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 15: 30 New
            -1
            Quote: Scoun
            if planes begin to pour on your head and Syria begins to say that they shot down Israeli planes who wanted to drop planning bombs and missiles in Damascus

            Yes, do not begin to roll in aircraft because in the military confrontation against Israel at Syria, the chances are not zero - they simply do not.

            Quote: Scoun
            for your wrath is more just than all the righteous.

            I have no righteous anger. I do not like lies and fairy tales. The fact that Syria supplies weapons to Hezbollah is known, the fact that Israel warned Syria is also known to it. Well, don’t cry and believe me, if Syria attacks Israel and gives back (what it has been talking about for a long time) and what it has the right to, we won’t cry. but we will answer this way. that no longer wants.
            1. Scoun
              Scoun 24 June 2013 16: 46 New
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              Well don’t cry and believe

              Yes, I believe, I believe and don’t cry ... I just want to understand .. your logic.
              Quote: atalef
              if Syria attacks Israel and fights back

              in response, what will you do Lebanon? ....
              Exactly a year ago, on 12 on July 2006, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) launched military operations against the radical Shiite group Hezbollah, based in southern Lebanon. This war is considered unsuccessful for the Jewish state.

              It started like that ...
              Media quoted Israelis several times more often than Palestinians and Lebanese. Shariv also mentioned a survey conducted among viewers of Sky News: 80% of its participants said that the IDF’s attacks on Lebanon were justified. Gideon Meir, spokeswoman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry, explained such a high percentage of world-wide support for Jewish state policy by the "coordinated work" of the country's information machine.

              Then it went like this ...
              The Israeli Air Force missile attack on this village in southern Lebanon, which killed more than 50 people, was skillfully used by the Shiites to form an extremely negative public opinion in the world about the Jewish state as a brutal aggressor that grossly violates international principles of military operations. Thus, photographs of dead Lebanese children were immediately disseminated by the largest world media. The indignant reaction of the international community contributed to the fact that the UN promised to conduct a formal investigation of this incident.

              then you were reminded about
              Recall that in 1996 there was a similar case. Then, as a result of an Israeli air raid on the same Lebanese village, more than a hundred people were killed. All of them were refugees who were hiding from air attacks in the UN mission building. Israel then explained what happened with a mistake, but UN experts, having studied the circumstances of the case, came to the conclusion that the possibility of a mistake in this case was unlikely. Amnesty International human rights defenders say that the pilots deliberately attacked the building with refugees.

              and then start to bustle by hacking a propaganda machine ..
              In a statement issued by the IDF press service, the responsibility for any casualties among Lebanese civilians was placed on Hezbollah, which is “hiding behind the backs of civilians,” as well as on the Lebanese government, “incapable of stopping extremist activity in its country.”

              The head of the Israeli Air Force headquarters Amir Eshel even came up with the version that the building in Qana collapsed only seven hours after the air raid.

              You can bomb Syria with bombs .. you can’t do anything else .. the Syrians will answer you with the skills of the militants ... but do you need it? and it’s expensive to throw bombs / missiles alone ... but many civilians are dying ...
              Iran will begin to help .. Hezbollah will begin to help ...
        3. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 24 June 2013 14: 02 New
          +1
          Well, you’re not the target for an air defense missile, so you can write calmly
    2. Rink
      Rink 24 June 2013 12: 16 New
      +2
      you can’t save any missiles for each

      Why rockets? it's stupid and wasteful.
      You will find videos like ZRPK (anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex) Shell with small targets understands.

      Yes, and there is no need to shoot down each, it is enough to destroy only those that go to the guarded object.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 24 June 2013 13: 53 New
        +1
        105 missiles fly: 50 on the Shell, 50 on the C-300, and 5 on the guarded object - which one will you shoot?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 June 2013 14: 03 New
          +1
          Rockets or bombs?
          Those who go to the guarded object are knocked down if it is possible to calculate the trajectory. Especially 5 pieces - not how much. Even if all shells and c-300 are destroyed, the guarded object must fulfill its task.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 24 June 2013 14: 54 New
            +1
            That's right. And then another 105 missiles, bombs or planes will fly in and complete their task.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 24 June 2013 14: 59 New
              0
              If there is something to answer, they may not fly ... But bombing the enemy is obviously several times weaker than himself, this is only the seeders of democracy.
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 24 June 2013 15: 24 New
                0
                well, the Jews didn’t try to bomb the enemy and are obviously stronger than themselves, do not slander
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 24 June 2013 15: 30 New
                  0
                  well, the Jews didn’t try to bomb the enemy and were obviously stronger than themselves

                  Oh .. Who was that? Or was Uncle Sam, who stood behind the Jews, threatened with a finger?
                  1. tlauicol
                    tlauicol 24 June 2013 15: 52 New
                    +1
                    Doomsday War - the balance of power from 1: 3 to 1: 9 for people and technology, on three fronts. and D. Sam, they also clicked on the nose
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 24 June 2013 16: 05 New
                      +1
                      If I am not mistaken, the opponents of Israel had outdated weapons. And I was talking about technical superiority, not numerical.
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 24 June 2013 16: 11 New
                      0
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      If I am not mistaken, the opponents of Israel had outdated weapons. And I was talking about technical superiority, not numerical.

                      Did the USSR supply obsolete weapons? Well, right, read enough information about types, quality, etc.
                      The Israelis simply knew how to fight and knew there was no turning back.
                    3. Professor
                      24 June 2013 18: 55 New
                      0
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      and I’m not mistaken, the opponents of Israel had outdated weapons. And I was talking about technical superiority, not numerical.

                      You are mistaken. Arabs were better armed. For example, Syrian tanks were armed with night vision devices.
            2. atalef
              atalef 24 June 2013 15: 32 New
              -5
              Quote: Wedmak
              If there is something to answer, they may not fly ... But bombing the enemy is obviously several times weaker than himself, this is only the seeders of democracy.

              Eu, of course, Georgia, Afghanistan, Chechnya - not just world powers, but super empires.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 24 June 2013 15: 50 New
                +3
                Georgia

                This was not a special operation to intimidate or bombard, in order to stop the development of the country (remember the reactor). And no bombing over "us it seemedthat weapons are being brought there to our enemies. "It was a defensive reaction against the genocide of the population of Ossetia.
                Afgan

                And we fought there with precision munitions? Or destroyed the infrastructure of the Mujahideen (and they had it ???)? Or did the main actions take place on earth, with small arms with the support of armored vehicles?
                Although here you are right in something - there was no need to climb there. But compared to the US vs Afghanistan fight, we are cute and fluffy.
                Chechnya

                Destruction of gangs can be done by any means.
                So your examples evenly pass by.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 June 2013 16: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  This was not a special operation to intimidate or bombard, in order to stop the development of the country (remember the reactor)

                  Explain how plutonium reactor is related to the country's development.

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  It was a defensive reaction,

                  Like we have . in all wars
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  And we fought there with precision munitions? Or destroyed the infrastructure of the Mujahideen (and they had it ???)? Or did the main actions take place on earth, with small arms with the support of armored vehicles?

                  Your non-knowledge is off-scale. Read for what Dudaev (commander in the aviation strategist) received a major general for inventing what tactics.

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Destruction of gangs can be done by any means.

                  That's about when we talk about Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic jihad.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 24 June 2013 16: 27 New
                    +4
                    Explain how plutonium reactor is related to the country's development.

                    And what, you can only have nuclear weapons? By the way, how did you get it, and on what basis?
                    Like we have . in all wars

                    How are you???? I do not remember that Russia delivered targeted attacks on targets located in another country and supposedly dangerous for it!
                    for which Dudaev (commander in an aviation strategist) received a major general

                    Carpet bombing? I already said that there was no need to climb there. Nevertheless - there was a war against radicalism. Successfully or not, another question. What are you fighting?
                    That's about when we talk about Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic jihad.

                    I would also be at the place of these people, because remembering HOW Israel appeared, and HOW he settled these conflicts and with whose help they had nothing left to do. And I don’t understand what parallel there is with Chechnya.
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 24 June 2013 20: 10 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    And what, you can only have nuclear weapons? By the way, how did you get it, and on what basis?

                    Learn the mathematical part. Syria has acceded to the agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, one of the co-founders of which is Russia. We don’t care, you are being deceived.

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    How are you???? I do not remember that Russia delivered targeted attacks on targets located in another country and supposedly dangerous for it!

                    The conversation was about a defensive reaction, read carefully your comment

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    Carpet bombing? I already said that there was no need to climb there.

                    \ Namely, returning to the conversation about the bombing. point hits and weak in advance, and what you say (like I said you shouldn’t have to climb) does not cancel the fact. that climbed and bombed

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    . Nevertheless - there was a war against radicalism. Successfully or not, another question. What are you fighting?

                    With Islamic radicalism and fundamentalism, and you thought?

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    I would also be at the place of these people, because remembering how Israel came

                    With the help of the USSR, but you did not know the same

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    HOW did he handle these conflicts

                    I mean did not surrender to the mercy of the attackers?

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    and with whose help

                    attacked us with the help of the USSR, including the direct participation of SA troops in the war

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    And I don’t understand what parallel there is with Chechnya.

                    Yes, I see. You don’t understand a lot of things, the conversation was about the bombing of the weak in advance. Your comment.
                  3. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 26 June 2013 10: 35 New
                    0
                    Learn the mathematical part. Syria has acceded to the agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, one of the co-founders of which is Russia. We don’t care, you are being deceived.

                    And where is Syria? I'm talking about the Israeli nuclear weapons that the Americans gave you.
                    The conversation was about a defensive reaction, read carefully your comment

                    A good defensive reaction is when even on suspicion planes fly out to bomb. So close to paranoia.
                    With the help of the USSR, but you did not know the same

                    What are you ??? And I thought that the British set the tone, unable to resolve the contentious issue between Jews and Arabs. And the territory of Israel was allocated in the territory of Palestine, not listening to its population! The USSR, of course, supported the UN decision, since there was nothing else to do.
                    attacked us with the help of the USSR, including the direct participation of SA troops in the war

                    Those. The USSR supported the creation of the Jewish state, and then he himself took part in the wars against him? You didn’t mix anything up?
                  4. atalef
                    atalef 26 June 2013 11: 15 New
                    0
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    And where is Syria? I'm talking about the Israeli nuclear weapons that the Americans gave you

                    nobody gave us anything, sort out the question. France sold the reactor in exchange for the technology of heavy water production (the most advanced at that time). We have enough resources to develop ourselves. By the way, in Russia, the main scientists in the nuclear project were Jews

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    A good defensive reaction is when even on suspicion planes fly out to bomb. So close to paranoia.

                    better to stay short than stay long

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    The USSR, of course, supported the UN decision, since there was nothing else to do.

                    Another non-knowledge of the issue. The states were initially against, the Britons on the drum, the insistent position of the USSR decided the matter.
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    And the territory of Israel was allocated in the territory of Palestine,

                    mandated territory called Palestine, while TransIordan. By the way, what about Macedonia? The name is interesting - but for some reason neither in Greece.
        2. Jin
          Jin 24 June 2013 15: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          Eu, of course, Georgia, Afghanistan, Chechnya - not just world powers, but super empires.


          Fig argument, dear. We bombed Georgia, when and what did we bomb there? In Afghanistan, what did we bomb and what did America bomb? You wouldn’t touch Chechnya at all, it’s just the “opposition” that was made up of the same characters who are now fighting against Assad. And what was bombed there? But what bombed NATO in Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Vietnam? Remind about napalm? Russia has been waging defensive wars throughout history, and mainly on its territory, against all the vile things that come to us ... but NATO is always creeping into all holes with its "democracy" and bombing peaceful cities and waging war of aggression! You say, don’t talk.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 16: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: Jin
            Fig argument, dear.

            An example of what is needed, the answer is fig. Since with the comment

            Quote: Wedmak
            . And the enemy is obviously several times weaker than himself, it is only the seeders of democracy who can.
            1. Jin
              Jin 25 June 2013 10: 21 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              An example of what is needed, the answer is fig


              Actually, if you aren’t in the know, Chechnya is Russia, not a sovereign state! Are you completely off topic? I say, we are fighting a * ram in our homeland, and NATO is bombing other countries.
  • Rink
    Rink 24 June 2013 19: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Tlauicol
    105 missiles fly: 50 on the Shell, 50 on the C-300, and 5 on the guarded object ...

    A good start for a joke.
    Can you imagine how many fighters you need to simultaneously launch 105 missiles?

    ... which one will you shoot?

    Which armor to shoot down decides on its own, completely automatically based on a certain trajectory, speed and estimated place of impact. Therefore, even if the salvo is simultaneous, one Shell will have time to remove at least several missiles on approach. Considering that more than one installation will work for the cover, even in such a fantastic volley nothing threatens either the covered object or the С300 complexes.
    If 105 missiles were not launched simultaneously, and the launch was extended in time by at least a couple of minutes, then the missiles will fly up sequentially, and the Shell will have enough time to deal with all of them in turn (and there will be enough ammunition, do not hesitate) .

    This is a very good car, honestly.

    Not for nothing that a much more powerful American army immediately precipitated, and does not show any desire to climb under Russian air defense? But the Jews are cocking something, inventing something there ... Not from a big mind, most likely, but from the fact that all their calculations are crumbling, their usual dominance in the region is being violated, and scarecrowing as an opportunity to get face the next aggression, and the opportunity to remain face to face with the stronger Syrian army, surrounded by Lebanon and Palestine ...
    (America was blown away, America seems not going to continue to cover up the Jews.)
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 20: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Skating rink
      Which armor to shoot down decides on its own, completely automatically based on a certain trajectory, speed and estimated place of impact. Therefore, even if the salvo is simultaneous, one Shell will have time to remove at least several missiles on approach

      Something I don’t get into comrades, is the Shell an automated system? And then what to drive on the Syrians that they did not bring down. It turns out that they are in general and not particularly needed.
      1. Rink
        Rink 24 June 2013 21: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Something I don’t get into comrades, is the Shell an automated system? And then what to drive on the Syrians that they did not bring down. It turns out that they are in general and not particularly needed.

        In order for the automated complex to fulfill its goals, it must be at least put into position, turned on and put into combat mode. So the human factor, even with the Shell, does not need to be discounted.
        1. atalef
          atalef 25 June 2013 06: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Skating rink
          In order for the automated complex to fulfill its goals, it must be at least put into position, turned on and put into combat mode. So the human factor, even with the Shell, does not need to be discounted

          Continue to sell to the Papuans (by the way for your own money) and then they will say that the weapon is bad. Caesar's wife (Syrians), as always, is beyond suspicion. laughing
      2. Jin
        Jin 25 June 2013 11: 19 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Something I don’t get into comrades, is the Shell an automated system? And then what to drive on the Syrians that they did not bring down. It turns out that they are in general and not particularly needed.


        A colleague is not quite right.

        Depending on the local conditions in the area of ​​military operations and combat use options, the Shell-S1 complex can operate in one of the following modes.


        Autonomous fighting
        BM works autonomously and ensures the implementation of the full cycle: search, detection, identification, selection of a dangerous target, target designation, additional search, capture, tracking and firing of targets of air and missile defense.

        Joint fighting
        The battery works together, including the 6 BM, between which telecode communication is established. Each BM implements a full cycle of BR for its chosen goals. Each BM informs about the selected goals for servicing to other BM batteries, which exclude it from its list of serviced goals.

        Work under the control of a battery command post
        Each of the 6 BM implements all stages of combat work, starting with the development of target designation. Target designation is issued from the command punt.

        Work on the principle of "Lead - Slave"
        A battery is running, including the 6 BM, one of which is designated as the “master”, and the other as “slaves”. The "leading" BM works as a command post, and also implements the functions of a combat vehicle as in autonomous combat operations. Each of the “slave” BMs receives target designation from the “master”, and the rest works as if under the control of a battery gearbox.

        Regardless of the task to be solved and control modes, the anti-aircraft battery of the Pantsir-S1 complex is part of the hierarchical structure of the mixed group with the obligatory subordination to a higher command group. Depending on the composition of the group and the task to be solved, the KP of the anti-aircraft missile brigade (group), the anti-aircraft missile regiment, the anti-aircraft missile battalion of the long-range (medium) range system, and the RTV command can act as a higher command post.
    2. atalef
      atalef 25 June 2013 06: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Skating rink
      A good start for a joke.
      Can you imagine how many fighters you need to simultaneously launch 105 missiles?

      Imagine, as many as -6. Just not a lifting amount.
  • SSR
    SSR 24 June 2013 22: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Tlauicol
    which will you shoot down?

    Quote: Wedmak
    Shot down by those who go to the guarded facility

    Quote: Tlauicol
    and then another 105 missiles, bombs will arrive

    Quote: SSR
    It turns out the carrier must be brought down immediately in the sky of Israel

    well, all to quote for a long time ... there and about the Point and the Iskander ...
    Quote: Tlauicol
    well, the Jews didn’t try to bomb the enemy and were obviously stronger than themselves

    Quote: atalef
    2007 year - Syria at the top of its power. as I understand it, there is no war. quiet and smooth, Assad on the throne.
    How about this?

    Quote: Scoun
    Israel persuaded the US not to publish data on the bombing of Syria

    Quote: atalef
    because despite the fact that the military at the site of the reactor tore up everything (including the soil layer), the IAEA inspectors vseravno found there the remains of plutonium

    In the information wanders and quite "crazy" that there TNW
    was applied ...
    oh from the evil one ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 25 June 2013 06: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: SSR
      In the information wanders and quite "crazy" that there TNW
      was applied ...

      No, you somehow understand that at nuclear facilities (such as a reactor), even if it is not already in operation, there is a certain amount of fissile material. Hohima in that. one hundred after the bombing, Syria claimed that there was some sort of regular agricultural facility. Magate arrived - and there are the remnants of plutonium. The Syrians again blocked access to the place - that was the end of the matter (As with Syrian propaganda about a peaceful object)
  • SSR
    SSR 24 June 2013 22: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Tlauicol
    you can’t save any missiles for each

    It turns out the carrier must be brought down immediately in the sky of Israel .. are you alluding to this?
  • kosmos44
    kosmos44 24 June 2013 09: 44 New
    +1
    Israeli bomb capable of handling C-300


    And the "shell" is able to cope with the Israeli bomb.
    1. Roll
      Roll 24 June 2013 11: 08 New
      +2
      fellow Whether the shell is lying, needle-type missiles against planning bombs are ineffective, and the capabilities of the cannon system are too weak. But the Chinese laocin is the most. In the first chassis is about the same. A seven-barreled cannon will easily hit at least a dozen bombs, all the more it will be able to stand in the most convenient place to protect the C300. Then the Chinese system is not expensive, it is cheaper than the shell, but for this purpose it is much more effective.
      1. Rink
        Rink 24 June 2013 12: 19 New
        0
        ... and the capabilities of the cannon system are too weak.

        Do you know for sure?
        It’s better to watch the videos on YouTube, how this thing works - it will become approximately clear what he can and what cannot.
      2. igor36
        igor36 24 June 2013 12: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Rolm
        Whether the shell is lying, needle-type missiles against planning bombs are ineffective, and the capabilities of the cannon system are too weak. But the Chinese laocin is the most.

        At the Shell:
        The cannon armament includes two double-barreled anti-aircraft machine guns 2A38M capable of hitting air and ground targets in the zone in range - up to 4 km, in height - up to 3 km. The total rate of fire 5000 rds / min.
        The Chinese: The original GAU-8 gun has a rate of fire of at least 4000-4500 rounds per minute, firing range 2500-3500 meters.
        And what makes the Shell worse?
        1. Roll
          Roll 24 June 2013 12: 55 New
          0
          angry 1 The wheelbase of KAMAZ and C-300 is different, Well, first of all, the shell has the combined rate of fire of 1950-2300 shots, and this is the most important indicator, the mass of the volley per second in the Chinese is two times higher. Then the Chinese complex has one aiming point, and the shell has two , since the distance between the guns is about 1 meter and he shoots alternately with one gun or another. The ammunition in the Chinese is greater, then the angular velocity of the cannon’s rotation is higher for the Chinese, and if we take into account that the time to hit the target is no more than 2 seconds, the Chinese are certainly better and cheaper.
          1. igor36
            igor36 24 June 2013 14: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Rolm
            Well, firstly, the shell has the total rate of fire of 1950-2300 shots, and this is the most important indicator, the Chinese mass of volley per second is twice as much.

            I repeat for you personally: The total rate of fire of the AU Shell 5000 rds / min.
            1. Roll
              Roll 24 June 2013 21: 39 New
              0
              wassat I have other data of 1950-2300 shots. Well, just physically, a double-barreled gun cannot compete with a seven-barreled gun. I'm not writing about the misfires, that for a seven-barrel is not a problem, but the shell needs 2-3 seconds for a reload.
              1. Roll
                Roll 24 June 2013 21: 45 New
                0
                angry Rate of fire, rds / min 1950-2500
                Weight, kg
                - machine without water
                - water cooling system
                no more 195
                no more 28
              2. Windbreak
                Windbreak 24 June 2013 22: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: Rolm
                Well, the double-barreled gun just can't physically compete
                Therefore, the Shell has two such guns
                1. Roll
                  Roll 25 June 2013 10: 50 New
                  0
                  wassat But the point is that a universal system cannot compete with a narrowly specialized one.
      3. leon-iv
        leon-iv 24 June 2013 12: 44 New
        0
        But the Chinese laocin is the most
        \
        And what is the ammunition consumption for the 1 goal then?
        If we have guns only shot at targets.
      4. Perch_xnumx
        Perch_xnumx 24 June 2013 12: 50 New
        +1
        Whether the shell is lying, needle-type missiles against planning bombs are ineffective, and the capabilities of the cannon system are too weak.
        But why? A rocket knocks down a glider and plumage. Likewise, the 1-2 gun charges are sufficient.
        1. S-200
          S-200 24 June 2013 13: 15 New
          0
          Consumption is estimated in hundreds of small-caliber shells .. BUT it's worth it!
      5. Jin
        Jin 25 June 2013 11: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Rolm
        Whether the shell is lying, missiles like a needle against planning bombs are ineffective


        Learn the mat part, why write about what you do not understand?

        The main feature of the complex is that in a matter of seconds it can detect and destroy any aircraft, helicopter, guided air bomb or enemy ballistic missile. The Shell-S1 complex is also designed to destroy ground targets, which makes it truly universal.
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 24 June 2013 11: 25 New
      0
      Quote: kosmos44
      And the "shell" is able to cope with the Israeli bomb.

      They say that for objects without an engine, "Tor" is better. and the shell of nea does not pull
      1. Rink
        Rink 24 June 2013 12: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Scoun
        They say that for objects without an engine, "Tor" is better. and the shell of nea does not pull

        Grandmas on the mound say?
        The Shell has an optoelectronic guidance channel, which allows under any conditions to be guaranteed to detect and track even small targets (such as drones and bombs), even made using stealth technology, at a distance of 8-12 km. The presence of an engine on the target is completely optional, since thermal radiation is far from the most important channel for it.

        It’s completely impractical to shoot at the Torami bombs. You only compare the number of bombs on the suspension of one attack fighter and the number of "Torus" in the battery, as well as the cost of the "Torus" and the bomb.
        From a gun on sparrows ...
        1. igor36
          igor36 25 June 2013 08: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Skating rink
          The presence of an engine on the target is completely optional, since thermal radiation is far from the most important channel for it.

          It’s completely impractical to shoot at the Torami bombs. You only compare the number of bombs on the suspension of one attack fighter and the number of "Torus" in the battery, as well as the cost of the "Torus" and the bomb.
          From a gun on sparrows ...

          I do not quite agree:
          Firstly, the cost of a guided bomb is comparable to the cost of a Torah rocket, and secondly, it is necessary to consider not only the cost of the bomb but also the cost of the target that it can hit.
    3. Professor
      24 June 2013 12: 09 New
      -11
      Quote: kosmos44
      And the "shell" is able to cope with the Israeli bomb.
      1. Jin
        Jin 24 June 2013 12: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: kosmos44
        And the "shell" is able to cope with the Israeli bomb.


        My post is lower and you are a professor ... do not confuse the sour with the fresh, the right has already gotten ... not tired?
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      3. S-200
        S-200 24 June 2013 12: 59 New
        -1
        הסורית "איסקנדר- E "גם לא ידע איך לקרוא בעברית
      4. Vlad_Mir
        Vlad_Mir 24 June 2013 22: 41 New
        +1
        Beckons vile troll with a salary of 300 $! When they have nothing to say, they start to practice the application!
  • Roll
    Roll 24 June 2013 10: 34 New
    +2
    fellow And why look, it is enough C-300 to work in conjunction with the Chinese anti-aircraft gun system laocin. Larcin will stand meters X-NUMX from C-200 and from the seven-barreled 300 MM rapid-fire gun will shoot Israeli bombs directly over C-30. If the Syrians in the complex acquire all of them, no Rafali is terrible.
    1. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 24 June 2013 12: 55 New
      +1
      Larcin will stand meters X-NUMX from C-200 and from the seven-barreled 300 MM rapid-fire gun will shoot Israeli bombs directly over C-30.
      You still need to get it - what is the effectiveness of larcinol. The ammunition of the gun is not infinite, especially in the rapid-fire. A cruise missile can still be carried to the complex.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 24 June 2013 11: 20 New
    +3
    Perhaps the simplest decision that the Syrians can make is to knock down Israeli planes whenever they appear on their radars (ideally also on takeoff). In general, Jews will still beg for themselves a demilitarized zone throughout Israel ...
  • Aleks21
    Aleks21 24 June 2013 11: 29 New
    +2
    Remembering how the Arabs know how to use our “screws” especially against the Israelis, I’m afraid that even the mountains of the air defense system will not help much ...
  • nakaz
    nakaz 24 June 2013 13: 03 New
    +5
    If it’s just a bomb, then its speed is much lower than that of missiles.
    SAM "Tor" and "Shell" very quickly hit such a radius of 15-20 km.
    It is necessary to think up something else to Israel, we will not prompt.
    1. S-200
      S-200 24 June 2013 13: 07 New
      0
      Quote: nakaz
      It is necessary to think up something else to Israel, we will not prompt.

      why not tell "brothers in mind" ?
      Let them try C-300 bales(caps) toss!
      On the forums, this is not bad for them!
      again .. rather than alternating with balesthen ...
      horror what happens!
      laughing
  • self-propelled
    self-propelled 24 June 2013 23: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: gland
    For every tricky bomb, there is also a SAM with a screw!

    laughing I’ll change it a bit - for every tricky trainer ... I have my own x ... th with a screw. something like this. request
  • Timtom
    Timtom 25 June 2013 00: 36 New
    +1
    That's right. TOP and in general any near-range system, such a target will be destroyed with guarantee.
    For information: MANPADS Igla-S, destroys small anti-tank missiles in the opposite direction. On 10 launches - 10 hits with one missile. Of course, missiles from the MANPADS do not fall directly into the rocket. But due to the contactless fuse, the target is destroyed with guarantee. And about such bombs and say nothing. This is not a remedy against C-300. These are just targets for short-range air defense systems designed to train trainees and train combat skills of personnel.
  • keylogger
    keylogger 25 June 2013 02: 48 New
    +1
    advertising so-called The "iron dome" was much cooler than the advertised item.
  • SKUBBI
    SKUBBI 19 July 2013 00: 11 New
    0
    write correctly ... in RUSSIAN ....
  • KCC
    KCC 24 October 2013 22: 00 New
    0
    For every sly bomb we have our own Armor or TOP.
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 24 June 2013 07: 17 New
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    Well, around one real SZ00, you can set up a bunch of inflatable layouts with false radios and heat signals.
    Active opposition to enemy intelligence will deprive him of accurate data on the whereabouts of SZ00.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 09: 06 New
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      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      Active opposition to enemy intelligence will deprive him of accurate data on the whereabouts of SZ00.

      Yes, it’s after your comment that they will actively oppose. Israel definitely knew not only the location of the Syrian nuclear reactor, but also had photographs (published) of its interior. He knew about the place of concentration and time of the transmission of Hezbollah air defense systems. as well as about many other things (including the exact location of the depots at the airport in Damascus) I think that even bombs will not have to be spent on s-300. taking into account the distance and the possibility of barrel artillery, they can cover their usual self-propelled guns. because Arabs will tell about the whereabouts of s-300. even before that. how will he arrive at the deployment site laughing
      1. S-200
        S-200 24 June 2013 09: 24 New
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        crying "Zdsaemuuuuu!" Jews defeated again ..... lol
      2. slvevg
        slvevg 24 June 2013 11: 09 New
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        I can not argue! East is a delicate matter!
      3. Scoun
        Scoun 24 June 2013 11: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        because Arabs will tell about the whereabouts of s-300. even before that. how will he arrive at the deployment site

        that is, that is .. in general, this property of the "East" is worthless and does not care what the main thing is the process itself ...
      4. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI 24 June 2013 13: 04 New
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        Thank you my friend - for the information - MR. ASAD GIVE THE TASK TO THE CONTRAST EXPLORATION SEEK THE MOLE IN YOUR SYSTEM.
      5. Black
        Black 24 June 2013 18: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        because Arabs will tell about the whereabouts of s-300. even before that. how will he arrive at the deployment site

        And here our counterpart is right stopudovo!
      6. Timtom
        Timtom 25 June 2013 03: 49 New
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        Lech, where did you see self-propelled guns with a range of 50 km? The C-300 has a range of 300 km. What other self-propelled guns can you cover them from the territory of another state, if they stand at 50 km from the border?
        And in general, is it nothing that self-propelled guns that are located on the territory of one state hit at facilities located on the territory of another state? This is called an act of aggression and the actual declaration of war. You can then get a missile strike on self-propelled guns. And following your logic, not a retaliatory strike, but a FORWARD.
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  • mogus
    mogus 24 June 2013 07: 20 New
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    one hundred kilometers.
    Radius With 300 longer. Bomb without engine - to plan 100 km. you need to drop it from a sufficiently high height. You can still “hide” near the ground behind the terrain, but at a height? .. (in the sense of a carrier, because someone must deliver it to something at a height and enter the air defense strike zone).
    1. Professor
      24 June 2013 07: 48 New
      -7
      Quote: mogus
      one hundred kilometers.
      Radius With 300 longer. Bomb without engine - to plan 100 km. you need to drop it from a sufficiently high height. You can still “hide” near the ground behind the terrain, but at a height? .. (in the sense of a carrier, because someone must deliver it to something at a height and enter the air defense strike zone).

      Take a look at the map. From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers. C-place in the desert away from Assad's bunker? wink
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 24 June 2013 07: 58 New
        +6
        Quote: Professor
        From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers.


        Damn, how small everything is. I’m going to the country house for forty kilometers.

        Good afternoon Professor.
        1. Professor
          24 June 2013 08: 03 New
          -12
          Quote: Vanek
          I’m going to the country house for forty kilometers.

          To testify? wink
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 24 June 2013 08: 06 New
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            Everything can be and everything can be. But only that cannot be, which indeed cannot be.

            Quote: Professor
            To testify?


            Yeah. Every weekend. Friday back, Sunday back. smile
      2. mogus
        mogus 24 June 2013 08: 39 New
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        I'm not an aviator.
        What should be the dump height in order to plan 60 km? About 5, no less ..? (each product has its own standards). Why place C-300 under Damascus? Its coverage area will suffice with the installation to the north / northeast (there will be time for a reaction. It is more difficult to get it.). In addition, long-range air defense should be in conjunction with neighbors, "Top, Shell", which are made on such bombs.
        I do not suffer from anti-Semitism and bring my vision of the situation. If C-300 will be delivered, then this is for the "friends of Syria." IMHO.
        P.S. There is an element of the A-135 system in Kazakhstan, but it seems that Moscow is protecting ...
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 24 June 2013 08: 49 New
          +2
          is the task of C-300 to survive or cover objects? if you survive, then you can leave in Russia, only Damascus will be bombed
          1. mogus
            mogus 24 June 2013 09: 19 New
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            S-300 is not Igla / Strela MANPADS, which is not a pity to lose ... And you won’t take it from the warehouse ...
          2. xan
            xan 24 June 2013 23: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Tlauicol
            is the task of C-300 to survive or cover objects? if you survive, then you can leave in Russia, only Damascus will be bombed

            wrote nonsense
        2. Snake831
          Snake831 24 June 2013 08: 58 New
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          I completely agree! “Tor” and “Shell-S” are precisely under the counteraction to such ammunition!
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 09: 11 New
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            Quote: Snake831
            I completely agree! “Tor” and “Shell-S” are precisely under the counteraction to such ammunition!

            Similarly, the latest results of the combat use of the Torah, Buk and Shell in Syria are proof of this. laughing
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 24 June 2013 09: 18 New
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              Comrade is right - the Syrian air defense has already "shown" itself against the Israeli Air Force.
              1. Scoun
                Scoun 24 June 2013 11: 33 New
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                Quote: Tlauicol
                Comrade is right - the Syrian air defense has already "shown" itself against the Israeli Air Force.


                atalef is certainly right ... but as usual the devil is in the details and about the details there are just the least words.
                Quote: atalef
                Similarly, the latest results of the combat use of the Torah, Buk and Shell in Syria are proof of this.

                Quote: Scoun
                1. The country is essentially fighting an internal war with an adversary who has no state and borders and who has no aviation
                2. The blow you struck was essentially in the back and the last one also on Easter night
                3. The blow you struck without crossing the borders of a country which, although it does not have a peace treaty with you, does not wage an open war. and if (suppose) the plane were shot down outside the borders of Syria, you would be the first to wring your hands with the words the bloody regime shot down our pigeon who did not even think to attack and did not cross the border at all.

                I agree with you and atalef, both of you are telling the truth which is confirmed by facts .. but the reverse side is silent ... which actually causes irritation. If you discuss, then discuss, otherwise I can tell the same truth just without negotiating the whole truth ... hi
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 June 2013 14: 06 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Scoun
                  If you discuss, then discuss, otherwise I can tell the same truth just without negotiating the whole truth

                  please
                  But Prime Minister Ehud Olmert made a decision without focusing on the United States. 5 September 2007 years, he ordered the bombing of the Syrian nuclear reactor.

                  Eight Israeli Air Force fighters - four F-15 and F-16 each, took off shortly before midnight. Syrian air defenses were disabled by electronic scrambling devices. Between 00: 40 and 00: 53, 17 tons of explosives were dropped onto a nuclear reactor.

                  http://www.israel7.ru/News/News.aspx/154646#.UcgZUTsqzjo
                  2007 year - Syria at the top of its power. as I understand it, there is no war. quiet and smooth, Assad on the throne.
                  How about this?
                  1. tlauicol
                    tlauicol 24 June 2013 14: 57 New
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                    that's minus Atalef put for the fact that he is a Jew? or for giving an uncomfortable example again? or just uncomfortable when they make a fool?
              2. Rink
                Rink 24 June 2013 12: 46 New
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                Quote: Tlauicol
                Comrade is right - the Syrian air defense has already "shown" itself against the Israeli Air Force.

                Syrian air defense proved to be on the Turkish scout Fantom RF4E, which was not saved either by high speed or extremely low altitude.
                But Assad had the patience not to respond to Israeli provocations, which the Jews did not expect. Yes, Assad suffered losses from this blow, but he avoided drawing into a conflict with Israel at such an inappropriate moment for him. But Israel showed its face to the whole world, and Assad happened to have Quseir, Aleppo and С300, who Jewish spies and informants, having run around all of Syria still can not understand - they are, or aren't? It is not for nothing that Russia and Syria made a series of mutually exclusive statements with disagreements and ambiguities.

                But you can be sure that even if the Jews arrange the next provocation in order to “manifest” these complexes, they will not open. Assad does not engage them. And they will appear only in the case of attempts of external intervention, massive raids and attempts to establish no-fly zones. Then C300 will suddenly come out of nowhere.

                Until then, let the unknown make Israel fidget, get nervous and do faux pas. This is even better.

                PS And by the way, in the Russian army there are a sufficient number of С300 inflatable divisions, which are indistinguishable from the real ones either externally or by thermal signatures. And they even have the necessary simulators of radar detection.
                So even when the C300 comes into play, you will need to work to figure out where the real ones are and where the blows will fall into the void, in the mountains and deserts. And С300 will not lose time; in automatic mode, detection-capture-start is very fast. and a few minutes after the shot, the C300 may not already be at that place.
                So welcome, fly to us "in the light"!
              3. xan
                xan 24 June 2013 23: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Comrade is right - the Syrian air defense has already "shown" itself against the Israeli Air Force.

                what it showed there is not yet clear
                and you Jews have already taken off
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 25 June 2013 05: 28 New
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                  I am Russian. it’s just a shame for Russians who, apart from anti-Semitism and nationalism, cannot say anything clever
            2. mogus
              mogus 24 June 2013 09: 34 New
              +5
              from the history of the creation of "Carapace C1".
              At the beginning of the 90, for obvious reasons the lack of money, the company survived and received an order to create a short-range air defense system. Customers Arabs.
              At the test-display of the product, the conditions were set for the customer: time, direction, quantity, types of targets are unknown. Two (or three) days were on duty. Rockets were fired at a small interval in the amount of 13pcs. All shot down.
              And to you, to refresh your memory http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/world/middleeast/israels-iron-dome-system-is-a
              t-center-of-debate.html? pagewanted = all & _r = 2 &

              You and I don’t know what was really there.
        3. igor36
          igor36 24 June 2013 10: 20 New
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          Quote: mogus
          What should be the dump height in order to plan 60 km? About 5, no less ..? (each product has its own standards)

          I think a lot more - 10-13 km. It also depends on the reset speed.
      3. domokl
        domokl 24 June 2013 08: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: Professor
        Take a look at the map. From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers.

        And what do we have then? The Government of Israel, is ready to sacrifice its state and its children and the elderly to achieve the supposedly democratic goals of cannibals from the Syrian opposition? You understand very well that the advertised air defense system of Israel is designed for self-made missiles. It means blood and deaths and Israel does not to avoid...
        It is doubtful something.
        1. Professor
          24 June 2013 09: 04 New
          -8
          Quote: domokl
          And what do we have then? The Government of Israel, is ready to sacrifice its state and its children and the elderly to achieve the supposedly democratic goals of cannibals from the Syrian opposition? You understand very well that the advertised air defense system of Israel is designed for self-made missiles. It means blood and deaths and Israel does not to avoid...
          It is doubtful something.

          Solid emotions. Thousands of non-improvised missiles were launched across Israel, including those more powerful than Iskander, and the state did not cease to exist. request
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 24 June 2013 09: 10 New
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            Quote: Professor
            and the state did not cease to exist

            It's a pity crying
          2. mogus
            mogus 24 June 2013 09: 11 New
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            purely technical curiosity.
            more powerful
            Iskander
            in terms of explosive charge or electronics and the ability to maneuver with overloads up to 20 (30) G?
            1. Professor
              24 June 2013 09: 20 New
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              Quote: mogus
              in terms of explosive charge or electronics and the ability to maneuver with overloads up to 20 (30) G?

              Neither maneuvering, nor electronics bring damage, but only the explosive charge. Iskander’s weight is less than 500 kg, even Scuds were fired at Israel with a warhead weight twice that of the non-existing Iskander warhead.
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                1. Professor
                  24 June 2013 12: 25 New
                  -1
                  Quote: S-200
                  ProHvessor "learn materiel" ... about maneuvering, electronics and other damage

                  Young man, once again pervert my nickname replenish with your person the Black List of rude and amateur. I clearly explain?
                  1. S-200
                    S-200 26 June 2013 10: 26 New
                    +1
                    What so familiarly allows you to contact me?
                    By age I can be older than you ...
                    I won’t complain ... I don’t have such a Jewish habit
                    1. Professor
                      26 June 2013 11: 22 New
                      +1
                      Quote: S-200
                      ProHessor

                      That's what.
                      Complaining is not a Jewish habit, but the right and duty of law-abiding citizens.
              2. mogus
                mogus 24 June 2013 10: 04 New
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                Professor, are we losing you? What can cause "SCUD" with its spread of hundreds of meters? Even nuclear weapons reduce charges with increased accuracy. Iskander has a deviation on the final path, not more than 5 meters. Maybe cover the area, maybe pointwise. Also in the memory of the rocket is the image of the target.
                lacking worldwide tax
                - enviously? (It’s not you who are not writing texts. Everyone gets bored).
                The weight of the warhead 480 kg., To be exact. But with a deviation of no more than 5 meters ...
                1. Professor
                  24 June 2013 12: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: mogus
                  Iskander has a deviation on the final path, not more than 5 meters.

                  And that he will destroy warhead weighing 480 kg? Haifu? Aerodrome?

                  Quote: mogus
                  Also in the memory of the rocket is the image of the target.

                  That's just no fantasy please. Iskander optoelectronic GOS?
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 24 June 2013 12: 33 New
                    +2
                    Tinplate blood snot and Iskander
                    For reference, yes, the iskaneder can go to war in Israel and get caught and not be intercepted. But what is he in Syria? And yes, OTRK will not be used against airfields.
                  2. mogus
                    mogus 24 June 2013 15: 00 New
                    +1
                    And that he will destroy warhead weighing 480 kg? Haifu? Aerodrome?
                    Penetrating bombs to destroy runways, fortifications weigh 500 kg. (Youtube "polygon. SU-34" from the 23 minute). Breaks through the concrete coating and explodes in depth. A funnel with a diameter of about 5 meters. For Iskander, there are penetrating warheads.

                    That's just no fantasy please. Iskander optoelectronic GOS?
                    Yes. http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-185.html http://missiles.ru/TBM.htm

                    In order to fantasize on the topic of the shelling of Israel by Iskander, we must smoke to make it stick ...
                  3. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 26 June 2013 10: 37 New
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                    And that he will destroy warhead weighing 480 kg? Haifu? Aerodrome?

                    Escander has several different warheads. Including a cassette warhead, which is able to cover a half-airfield, damaging the concrete track, equipment and people.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 26 June 2013 10: 41 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      And that he will destroy warhead weighing 480 kg? Haifu? Aerodrome?
                      Escander has several different warheads. Including a cassette warhead, which is able to cover a half-airfield, damaging the concrete track, equipment and people.
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                      I don’t understand, but how will Iskander reach haifa? From Russia, or what? In Syria they are not, and never will be.
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 26 June 2013 13: 42 New
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                        Did I really talk about Haifa? In fact, shelling a city with ammunition operating over an area is a sign of idiocy. Mishiko-delicious-tie is proof of this. So do not substitute my answer for your fantasies.
                    2. Professor
                      26 June 2013 11: 28 New
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                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Escander has several different warheads. Including a cassette warhead, which is able to cover a half-airfield, damaging the concrete track, equipment and people.

                      Concrete is repaired in minutes using special foam. People and equipment are in concrete shelters.
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 26 June 2013 13: 39 New
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                        Concrete is repaired in minutes using special foam.

                        It doesn’t matter if the warhead unit makes such a hole that you are filled up with foam.
                        By the way, I’ve heard about the miracle foam, but where is the photo of this magical substance?
                      2. Professor
                        26 June 2013 14: 20 New
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                        Quote: Wedmak
                        It doesn’t matter if the warhead unit makes such a hole that you are filled up with foam.

                        At every Israeli airbase, there is a full-time unit called Siluk Pzatsot, which deals with the disposal of bombs and the elimination of their effects. The big funnel is filled up with bulldozers ... The greatest headache is caused by time bombs (an hour, two, a day, a week ...). They have to deal with them using robots, etc. But this has already been done in practice more than once.

                        Quote: Wedmak
                        By the way, I’ve heard about the miracle foam, but where is the photo of this magical substance?

                        Personally, I have not met, only read that Tsahal bought such a thing.
        2. domokl
          domokl 24 June 2013 09: 17 New
          +7
          Quote: Professor
          Thousands of non-improvised missiles were launched across Israel, including those more powerful than Iskander, and the state did not cease to exist.

          God grant you to continue to exist. But with such moods it is more and more problematic. It is one thing to fight with terrorists, another with states and with real support not only from you, but also from them.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 09: 48 New
            0
            Quote: domokl
            It is one thing to fight terrorists, another to fight with states and with real support not only from you, but also from them.

            You're right, it’s harder with terrorists. With Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Jordan, it took - from 6 days (On six days) to 18 days on (Doomsday). After that, more than 40 years of silence (between states) with terror is more complicated

            Quote: domokl
            and with real support not only of you, but also of them

            Well, damn it, Alexander - what kind of support the USSR gave them all, we never dreamed of. Tanks captured in wars (t-eshki) are still used.
            Alexander read about the military supplies of the USSR - Egypt, Iraq, Syria --- yes you yourself know.
            1. S-200
              S-200 24 June 2013 11: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Well, damn it, Alexander - what kind of support the USSR gave them all, we never dreamed of

              You just dream of the BEST in the world - american what : airplanes, guns, dollars ... lol
            2. Scoun
              Scoun 24 June 2013 11: 43 New
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              Alexander read about the military supplies of the USSR - Egypt

              Og .. remember .. and then once and for a few billion a year, Hosni Mubarak sold to the United States ... don’t let the East eat and give me some bargain .. personally, I wouldn’t bother with an “oriental” person to bargain without “stained cards”
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 June 2013 14: 08 New
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                Quote: Scoun
                Og .. remember .. and then once a few billion a year, Hosni Mubarak sold to the United States ..

                Once understood. that you won’t cook porridge with the USSR and Israel cannot be defeated, despite the 40 contingent of SA in Egypt.
                1. Scoun
                  Scoun 24 June 2013 19: 25 New
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  Once understood. that you can’t cook porridge with the USSR and Israel cannot be defeated

                  I think now you are just distorting ...
                  Maybe we recall what it was like for the state of Israel when MiG-25 began to be driven over Israel?
                  After the sudden death of Nasser, the new leadership of the country limited reconnaissance flights. And soon an ultimatum followed during 24 hours to withdraw the MiGs from Egypt. When everything was ready for the flight, Egyptian tanks left for the runway. They managed to settle the conflict through diplomatic means, and a day later the arriving Antei took away the equipment and people. So ended the first combat page in the history of the MIG-25.
                  To the story of a test pilot, it is advisable to make two additions. During the invasion of Israeli airspace MIG-25, gaining altitude more than 18.000 m over its territory, several times fired at the Hawk anti-aircraft missiles. However, all the gaps were recorded below the path of the flight of the scout. Nor could the paths of the MIG-25 high-altitude and absolutely fighter-bomber "Phantom" cross the paths.

                  and only after almost 10 years were they able to trap the first MiG 25 with the support of Hokkai, two scouts and the F-15 // but what these planes did in their time is still priceless.
                  In those far days of the 1973 year, the question of the possibility of an Israeli air strike on the high Aswan Dam, shortly before that, in the 1970 year, built in Egypt on the Nile River with the help of the Soviet Union, was actively discussed. The dam was then called the "eighth wonder of the world." It really was and still is a unique structure. Even on a global scale. Its height is 110 m, length is 4 km, the volume of the reservoir that it holds with its concrete body is 160 billion cubic meters. m of water. If the dam could be destroyed, then a wave with a height of 80 – 100 m could wash away all the cities and towns of Egyptand in the Red and Mediterranean Seas. It would be a global catastrophe that would lead to a nuclear war. At least in Moscow in the highest echelons of power there were rumors that in response to a similar development our aviation will be forced to deliver a nuclear strike against Israel.

                  And so of course .. in the traps and traps you probably have no equal .. although the Anglo-Saxons can stretch but by meanness and cruelty they will give you a big head start ..
                  and of course, it was impossible to cook porridge with the USSR .. they drank such a dam ....
                  Shaking the air is not difficult))
                2. SSR
                  SSR 25 June 2013 00: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Once understood. that you won’t cook porridge with the USSR and Israel cannot be defeated, despite the 40 contingent of SA in Egypt.


                  Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmed Davutoglu outraged that Bashar al-Assad did not attack Israel

                  publication time: February 2 2013, 17: 09
                  last updated: February 2 2013, 17: 19




                  Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu sharply criticized Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who "didn’t react at all" to Israeli air strikes on targets in Syria.

                  "Why didn’t he do anything against Israel, why at least he didn’t throw a stone when planes flew over his palace?" - quotes the Turkish Foreign Minister Hurriet.

                  “Why did the Syrian army, which has been actively using aviation against its own people over the past 22 months, not responding to the Israeli operation?” Said Davutoglu. “Why has Assad not done anything against Israel, while he is bombing his own innocent citizens?”

                  Davutoglu suggested that the Israeli attack was agreed with Bashar al-Assad, and that Assad has some kind of "secret agreement" with Israel.

                  The Turkish Foreign Minister stressed that "Syria must do what any attacked state would do," and added that "Turkey will not sit idly by when Israel attacks a Muslim country."

                  Patriot but yes Syemochka?
        3. Urcom
          Urcom 24 June 2013 11: 26 New
          +2
          And can you elaborate on "more powerful than Iskander," probably means "Satan"? smile
        4. Scoun
          Scoun 24 June 2013 11: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          Thousands of Non-Improvised Missiles Launched in Israel including more powerful Iskander

          that's honestly .. you can read more from this place .. just really interesting ... what kind of rocket? scad?
      4. atalef
        atalef 24 June 2013 09: 30 New
        -4
        Quote: domokl
        And then what do we have? The Government of Israel is ready to sacrifice its state and its children and old people to achieve the supposedly democratic goals of cannibals from the Syrian opposition

        Why? Assad could have made peace with Israel long ago (like Egypt and Jordan), having returned the Golan and peace. But he wants by military means. let him try.


        Quote: domokl
        You perfectly understand that the advertised air defense system of Israel is designed for self-made missiles

        I perfectly understand that the Israeli air defense system was used in battle and proved to be effective, giving a quiet life to the inhabitants of the south, by the way, tonight, 2 hail was shot down over Ashkelon (the rest of the 4 were blown up in the desert). Beeches and Carapace in battle are tested - effectiveness - 0, with-300 will -see.
        Unlike your weapon, ours is constantly fighting. not jumping on jumps. probably because 7 millionth of Israel in 5-k arms manufacturers in the world.

        Quote: domokl
        . Means blood and deaths and Israel can not be avoided.

        Over the 20 years I have survived the 2 wars, 5 military operations and the intifada - we are familiar, these are our realities surrounded by 700 million Arabs and sympathizers
        1. domokl
          domokl 24 June 2013 09: 46 New
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          Over the 20 years I have survived the 2 wars, 5 military operations and the intifada - we are familiar, these are our realities surrounded by 700 million Arabs and sympathizers

          Then why are you provoking these very realities? Will such statements as those that some of your citizens even make here not cause another provocation by radical youth?
          Well, it’s not clear to us why to rattle with arms, to inflict airstrikes on defenseless neighbors, such as the fight against terrorism (and what right does this give you to strike at a sovereign state?). So, excuse me, but there is no pity for you anymore ... There has been no sympathy for the Arabs for a long time, but sympathy for you too ... no
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 10: 26 New
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Then why are you provoking these very realities?

            It’s strange. I somehow see. that all the wars were declared to us and Assad didn’t show any desire to make peace.

            Quote: domokl
            Really such statements as those that some of your citizens even make here will not provoke yet another provocation from the side of radical youth?

            For what youth laughing
            Quote: domokl
            Well, it’s not clear to us why to rattle with weapons, to inflict airstrikes on defenseless neighbors

            Damn, already squeezed a tear. How to Assad to sponsor all ter groupings blowing up buses is normal. How to attack us is the same OK And how to get p ... her- so defenseless neighbors.

            Quote: domokl
            and what right does it give you to strike at a sovereign state?)

            It is strange with us, Jordan and Egypt, the world and no one is bombing anyone. Why does Assad not want the world?

            Quote: domokl
            . So, excuse me, but you no longer have pity for you.

            Yes, we do not need anyone's pity, weak people feel sorry and wipe their feet, respect the strong hate. Such is the lodge in BV.
            Quote: domokl
            There has been no sympathy for the Arabs for a long time, but sympathy for you too ...

            I understand you perfectly. sometimes I look at myself in the mirror, 45 five-year-old, bald face wassat
            1. vsa-xnumx
              vsa-xnumx 24 June 2013 15: 54 New
              +1
              atalef
              "sometimes I look at myself in the mirror, 45 five-year-old, bald face"

              Sorry for the curiosity: the Israeli special forces lieutenant colonel "Atalef", who gave an interview to RTR 02.06.13, isn't that you?
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 June 2013 15: 56 New
                0
                Quote: vsa-7
                Sorry for the curiosity: Israeli special forces lieutenant colonel Atalef, who gave an interview to RTR 02.06.13. it's not you ?

                Alas hi
        2. Jin
          Jin 24 June 2013 12: 05 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          Beeches and Shells tested in battle - effectiveness - 0,


          So I read everything, I read you, our weapon is straight * ram * yours, yours is constantly fighting ... but in Syria whose fighting is not ours? And at the expense of Bukov and Carapace, here in their combat calculations it’s a matter that they are not specialists and in the absence of experience from the commanders ... I saw the Carapace burnt on the march, along with the convoy that it covered ... so what? If these * fuckers (Carapace) in a non-combat-ready form "covered" this column ... while they (Syrians) think that it is enough to have Carapace as such, and not really use them, it will be so, they will be burn. And to say that the effectiveness of 0 is not worth it ... This is a study of the Syrian calculations of 0, and this is completely different. Their troops "opposition" also drenched, as they wanted, until our specialists taught Syrians the wisdom, wisdom ... We were always taught like this: "A tank is not as scary as its untrained crew!" And you do not need such high-sounding statements about the effectiveness of our weapons ... Objectively judge, since you take it, IMHO
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 14: 13 New
            -5
            Quote: Jin
            Here I read everything, I read you, our weapon is straight * ram * ram

            If we talk about air defense, then r ... oh better. you can use it even for fertilizer,

            Quote: Jin
            And at the expense of Bukov and the Shell, here in their combat calculations it’s a matter that they are not specialists and the commanders lack experience.

            What's the point? For some reason, American weapons work for us. and your Syrians do not? Tell me why ? Maybe the advisers did not train the calculations. may be something else. But they will say one thing, your weapon did not work. Or do you think that the Syrians will say that they are suckers?


            Quote: Jin
            And you do not need such high-sounding statements about the effectiveness of our weapons ... Objectively judge, since you take it, IMHO

            Yes, much more objective. ; bombing. Air defense did not even respond, much more honest.
            1. Jin
              Jin 24 June 2013 14: 34 New
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              If we talk about air defense, then r ... oh better. you can use it even for fertilizer,


              I’m not an Aries specialist, but not everyone is suitable for fertilizer ... well, that’s it, a bunch in a puddle, I understood your opinion about our air defense systems ...

              Quote: atalef
              What's the point? For some reason, American weapons work for us. and your Syrians do not? Tell me why ? Maybe the advisers did not train the calculations. may be something else. But they will say one thing, your weapon did not work. Or do you think that the Syrians will say that they are suckers?


              the Syrians also work for us, with which (on which) they have been fighting for a long time! And it works very efficiently! New does not work! Yes, no skill, yes, poorly learned! With a grenade launcher, you can also shoot in different ways, even if theoretically, you know how ... especially in combat! There are unique ones from all 4's shots (3 from the "hump", one in RPG), they smeared on the target !!! But it didn’t work, not our weapon! People didn’t work! Weapons without a man, a lot of iron (I do not open America). Sense of a grenade from a monkey? Yes, only danger. Syrians? Of course they will not say that they are suckers! Of course, weapons are bad!

              Quote: atalef
              Yes, much more objective. ; bombing. Air defense did not even respond, much more honest.


              And should the “air defense” itself react? What kind of advanced cyber organism?
              Again, people did not respond! Or there was no order, which Assad most likely fears to shoot down Israeli planes, fears a direct conflict ... otherwise, with all the drawbacks in Syrian air defense, Israeli F-16s would burn with bright buds. I am not against Israel, I try to be objective.
            2. Jin
              Jin 24 June 2013 14: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              For some reason, American weapons work for us. and the Syrians do not have yours? Explain why ?


              When, at the beginning of the mess, the opposition hollowed out the reg army, didn’t our weapon work either? And when did the "otvetka" go, suddenly it worked? No, it’s just Russian literate uncles who finally explained to the Syrians what to do with this very weapon and how to do it right. But the Shell is not an AK or even a T-72, both in tactics and complexity. I went to the BMP the first time, yes, bad, but I went! But with a shell such a trick will not work! There is one theory for months! How long is the Shell in Syria? Even if the calculations in Russia taught, but what would be practical shooting ...
            3. Scoun
              Scoun 24 June 2013 19: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Yes, much more objective. ; bombing. The air defense didn’t even react much more honest.

              It is worth recognizing that all of your bombing was essentially special operations involving the maximum special forces and means .. and each time essentially differently ... I do not detract from the merits of your air forces this is really a competent development ... but in fact it’s all the same that 10 civilians .. using a 3D printer and other modern technologies will prepare the operation and kill the sentry at the post and cause damage to the guarded object, and it is quite possible that they can do it in another place but in a modified way ... but it's really hard to fight. .. and you know it perfectly and generally use it.
            4. INVESTOR
              INVESTOR 24 June 2013 21: 28 New
              +1
              The Wehrmacht, too, about Soviet weapons in 41 thought so.
        3. Scoun
          Scoun 24 June 2013 13: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          Why Assad could have made peace with Israel long ago(like Egypt and Jordan), having received back the Golan and calm. But he wants by military means . let him try.

          Let me answer you with my old "post".
          Earlier, in December 2008, Erdogan disrupted the peace talks between Israel and Syria, in which the Turks were mediators. During the “Arab Spring,” Erdogan, with active US support, promoted the Turkish model as a model for Islamic revolutions, and himself as its leader. From the very beginning of the civil conflict in Syria, Turkey has acted as a provocateur, organizer and sponsor of the anti-Syrian Islamist opposition, together with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel.
          And everything almost coincides in time ...............

          Roland DUMA, ex-Foreign Minister of France

          In an interview with French television channel LCP former head of the Foreign Ministry, Roland Dumas said:

          “I intend to tell you something. Two years before the outbreak of violence in Syria, I was in England, on completely different matters. There I met with senior British officials, and they confirmed to me that they were up to something in Syria. Everything was planned in England, not in America, and Britain was organizing rebel uprisings in Syria. They even asked me - although I have long been no foreign minister - do I want to participate in this? Naturally, I refused, saying that I am a Frenchman, and such matters do not interest me. ”

          Dumas did not stop there and read the channel audience a short lecture about the real causes of the war, which claimed at the moment the lives of tens of thousands of people.

          «This operation was conceived long ago. She was prepared, predetermined her course and planned.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 June 2013 14: 15 New
            -2
            Quote: Scoun
            Let me answer you with my old "post".

            When Sadat wanted peace, he simply turned to the people of Israel and the government in an open appeal, why Assad needs intermediaries (such as the crazy Erdogan) - you can directly, the main desire.
            1. Scoun
              Scoun 24 June 2013 19: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              the main desire.

              but there’s a double-edged sword .. can you admit the thought that this is not wish the state of Israel itself .. that it feels its regional profits .. after all, it’s the Sunnis who are the main sponsors and they began to dangle for coordination of actions .. maybe Israel has its own “bets” on Shiites of the Sunnis
              PS.
              It's not a secret "say one thing and do another" for a long time
              or whatever .. "before they hit a pig, they scratch it under the neck"
        4. 11 black
          11 black 24 June 2013 20: 21 New
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          I perfectly understand that the Israeli air defense system was used in battle and proved to be effective, giving a quiet life to the inhabitants of the south, by the way, tonight, 2 hail was shot down over Ashkelon (the rest of the 4 were blown up in the desert). Beeches and Carapace in battle are tested - effectiveness - 0, with-300 will -see.
          Unlike your weapon, ours is constantly fighting. not jumping on jumps. probably because 7 millionth of Israel in 5-k arms manufacturers in the world.


          Listen, I’ve been watching your crazy talker for a long time.
          YOU ARE CORRECTING FACTS FOR YOURSELF
          I'm talking about the zero efficiency of beeches and shells ... well, you yourself understand that this is idiocy ... I will explain in more detail:
          the beeches as well as the shells are intended for the CLOSE cover of the guarded object, the range of the beech is 40 km, the shell is 20 - Israel has guided bombs analogous to JDAM that fly almost 100 km, it is obvious that Israeli aviation did not enter the Syrian air defense range (no, if you have kamikaze ...) answer me how BUK could bring down an aircraft outside its affected area ... you don’t have to demand the impossible from it, I’m convinced your aircraft never entered their affected area, and here the history of the meeting of the Turkish F4 is indicative f ntoma our armor, which ended with the destruction of the first instant cost him enter the affected area ... here is an example of combat use of our arms.
          point 2 - to reset JDAM to the maximum range, you must be at an altitude of 9-10 km at maximum speed, those must be an ideal target for the C300, which is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 150-200km
          which means you will not be able to use the old tactics anymore, you will have to go down lower so as not to get into the "300 radio horizon", but then you will have to get close to the target and stay out of the BUK defeat zone - and then it will be hard to talk about the effectiveness BUKOV, and I'm sure then they will show themselves ...

          PS you, like any “democrat,” have a talent for dodging facts, you put yourself in the victory of a breakthrough of the MIDDLE self-defense systems even without going into their affected area, despite the fact that these complexes are only part (excuse the pun) of the integrated air defense system / There is no missile defense system in Syria yet, there is no “far arm” that would not allow attacking targets with inconspicuous JDAMs from distances beyond the reach of BUKs, with the advent of C300 this far arm will appear, and with proper planning, you can create an air defense / missile defense complex, and then all the links this system connect appear in the 1 chain (the far arm with 300 is the destruction of aircraft carriers of the BUK - destruction of the issued means of attack of the CASIAR), and then I will look at your comments on the value of our BUK. IMHO
    2. albanec
      albanec 24 June 2013 09: 48 New
      +4
      You are a strange person. If Assad falls and terrorists come to power in Syria, what do you think, where will they turn their eyes first? To this rabble that is against Syria now legally elected government fighting, Israel will not stockpile any bombs.
    3. rolik
      rolik 24 June 2013 11: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Take a look at the map. From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers.

      So Israeli planes can be shot down immediately after take-off hi Very convenient, and even if the "Tornado" pull up yes at the airport)))), in general beauty.
      1. Professor
        24 June 2013 12: 29 New
        0
        Quote: rolik
        So Israeli planes can be shot down immediately after take-off. It’s very convenient, and even if you pull the Tornado along the airfield)))), in general beauty.

        Easy. When the radar learns to shine through the mountains ...
        1. rolik
          rolik 24 June 2013 14: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          Easy. When the radar learns to shine through the mountains ...

          And why a radar that shines through the mountains ??? There is a radio interception of conversations, gunners (it’s enough to have a mobile phone)))), or if you’re absolutely safe (fiction of course), hang a satellite at a geostationary.
    4. Scoun
      Scoun 24 June 2013 11: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers.

      damn .. More recently, just before work was 130 km wassat
    5. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 24 June 2013 11: 40 New
      +1
      So I didn’t understand, is it yours that, in the subject of the article, against Assad (or his bunker in Damascus) or all the same against the C 300? )))
    6. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 24 June 2013 11: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Take a look at the map. From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers. C-place in the desert away from Assad's bunker? wink

      The main thing that you would have time to run to the bunker laughing .
    7. Timtom
      Timtom 25 June 2013 04: 07 New
      0
      Well, your SPGs will be scattered, and other SPGs from Syria. Or rockets gouging. tongue
  • S-200
    S-200 24 June 2013 08: 04 New
    +1
    I agree with you, the altitude and speed of casting should be very “decent” to allow UAB to cast for 100 km. Or it should have a starting engine that works on the initial flight path, so that when approaching a target in the IR range it doesn’t “glow” ... and the corresponding casting path.
    Dangerous little thing ...
    1. Professor
      24 June 2013 08: 08 New
      -6
      Quote: S-200
      I agree with you, the altitude and speed of casting should be very “decent” for UAB to cast on 100 km. Or it should have a starting engine that works on the initial flight path, so that when approaching a target in the IR range it "does not glow"

      You can’t write such nonsense with such a nickname. Here is her older sister, where is the engine?



      Quote: regdan
      The bomb has already been built or it is only in pictures and mock-ups. If they built, then I think there would be tests and PR specialists of all stripes relished this news. In the meantime, I will not see the real test "I do not believe."

      Take an interest in Spice-100-Spice-2000 bombs and where are the PR guys? wink
      1. S-200
        S-200 24 June 2013 08: 23 New
        +2
        This is where in my reasoning about your bomb saw "stupidity"?
        1. Professor
          24 June 2013 08: 33 New
          +1
          There are different PSAs, this one is planning. What are the engines of the planning bomb? This is not a cruise missile. wink
          These bombs have already been tested in battle and no PR. You hear about them for the first time. laughing
          1. S-200
            S-200 24 June 2013 08: 35 New
            +2
            About your planners - for the first time! ))) I was not interested, you know ... Have you been interested in our Ball-S or Iskander-E?
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 June 2013 09: 08 New
              -2
              Quote: S-200
              Are you interested in our Ball-S or Iskander-E?

              What for ? Russia supplies this to Syria or we are already going to fight with each other. The conversation is about that. what a simple and cheap answer Israel has on the s-300.
              1. S-200
                S-200 24 June 2013 09: 28 New
                +2
                Well, yes ... they stand "rooted to the spot" - especially the Ball-S! 3-5 m above the sea, 10 above the earth (for your window leaves) lol
                And then the Israeli grouse was squandered with the characteristic vanity ... "catch the export"
                "From Russia with love !"
                (Iskander-E, Bal-S)
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 June 2013 09: 50 New
                  -4
                  Quote: S-200
                  "From Russia with love !"
                  (Iskander-E, Bal-S)

                  And hde all this?
                2. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 24 June 2013 09: 54 New
                  +2
                  okay to lie that - neither the Iskanders nor the Ball are in Syria, we have ONE division in Anapa, and then, the Ball is not able to hit ground targets, so forget about the vents
                  1. S-200
                    S-200 24 June 2013 10: 55 New
                    +3
                    Seek, gentlemen of the Israelites, yes - bring it back!
                    And not that - they will find you. angry
                    SCRC amendment not "Ball" but - "Bastion"
                3. S-200
                  S-200 24 June 2013 10: 53 New
                  0
                  "Bastion" is a coastal anti-ship missile system. (wrong )
              2. SLAVOK
                SLAVOK 24 June 2013 19: 02 New
                0
                well, as they say, spring will show where our bug relieves, you can find the answer to all weapons, but still I think it’s not right to mud the systems that are recognized as one of the best in their classes in the world, and not only Russian, but also most of the world specialists in the field of air defense, as one of our veteran pilot veterans said, it’s important that the pilot has his head and hands ... I mean, it’s not unimportant who controls the weapons. In any case, only the war will show who was right if it was not okay!
          2. Kirgudum
            Kirgudum 24 June 2013 10: 58 New
            +4
            Professor, from what altitude does the planning bomb need to be dropped so that it then flies 100 km (with loss of altitude with every kilometer traveled)? Or have you mixed up a bomb with a hang glider?
            1. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 24 June 2013 12: 37 New
              0
              She plans, sort of pointed with 13 km.
          3. S-200
            S-200 26 June 2013 10: 36 New
            0
            1. The shape of the "tailbone" of your bomb is not "aerodynamically" rounded, but rather flat, as to rest under the engine.
            2. Planning bombs are powered by engines!
            type - AG (M), "М"if engine is installed
            range increases to 200-300 km.
            1. Windbreak
              Windbreak 26 June 2013 16: 46 New
              0
              Engines are not going to be put on Russian KABs, but the roundness is not visible
  • Vanek
    Vanek 24 June 2013 07: 21 New
    10
    Israeli bomb capable of handling the S-300

    How much was she paid?
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 24 June 2013 07: 34 New
      11
      Well, I think ISRAEL began active psychological pressure - MOL came up with a SUPER-SUPER BOMB against the C300.
      Reception known since the time of Hitler is another miracle weapon.
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 24 June 2013 07: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
        psychological pressure

        On whom???
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 24 June 2013 07: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: avant-garde
          On whom???


          On the S-300 laughing laughing laughing
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 24 June 2013 07: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: Vanek
            On the S-300

            Ahhh, yes it would be interesting to know the opinion of the complex itself regarding this bomb smile
            1. Andrey57
              Andrey57 24 June 2013 09: 00 New
              +2
              The C-300 complex has already giggled to colic bully
  • Sars
    Sars 24 June 2013 07: 40 New
    +9
    MIG-25 at a speed of 2500 km / h from a height of 20 km sent bombs up to a maximum of 50 km.
    What are the Israelis going to throw their bombs over 100 km?
    This information is from the same category that Merkava is the best tank in the world - PR and lies.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 24 June 2013 08: 56 New
      +6
      Then the bomb flew along a ballistic curve and was not planning.
    2. mogus
      mogus 24 June 2013 10: 20 New
      +3
      still winged now ...
  • Trailer
    Trailer 24 June 2013 07: 44 New
    +9
    HORSE! I remember - the Iron Dome was not able to shoot down all the missiles, and chose only the very best. Now, let him not be confused among the inflatable C-300 Jews for a start.
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 24 June 2013 11: 14 New
      +2
      That’s for sure! The same thought came to my mind right away. They will fight with cheap bombs with cheap inflatable toys.
      Rafael Oren Uriel, vice president of marketing and business development at Rafael, said the bomb was equipped with an "optoelectronic homing head and an algorithm to compare the image of the target with the image of a stored memory bomb in an area saturated with GPS disruptors." According to him: "The pilot can put the target in the homing head before the reset or during the flight."
  • regdan
    regdan 24 June 2013 08: 03 New
    +1
    The bomb has already been built or it is only in pictures and mock-ups. If they built, then I think there would be tests and PR specialists of all stripes relished this news. In the meantime, I will not see the real test "I do not believe."
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 08: 16 New
      -4
      Quote: regdan
      The bomb has already been built or it is only in pictures and mock-ups.

      Already built and presented in Le Bourget.
      Quote: regdan
      In the meantime, I will not see the real test "I do not believe."

      Well, something like when selling (and for that they’re being taken to an air show) real characteristics with test results are declared, not booklets and promises.
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 24 June 2013 08: 21 New
        11
        The unique people of you. Never admit your wrong. Although what a unique ... Or what kind of people ... I feel sorry for you scammers.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 June 2013 08: 26 New
          -9
          Quote: Tatarus
          The unique people of you. Never admit your wrong

          It’s even more unique to consider everyone around us wrong

          Quote: Tatarus
          Or what kind of people ... I feel sorry for you defenders.

          And of course, by the very people and the only full-fledged
          If you are so smart ........? Continue or you’ll finish it yourself?
      2. regdan
        regdan 24 June 2013 08: 23 New
        +2
        I saw the S-300 launches; I did not see the bomb tests against the S-300. I saw the bomb only on computer graphics.
        Quote: atalef
        Well, something like when selling (and for that they’re being taken to an air show) real characteristics with test results are declared, not booklets and promises.

        Well, I can also bring a lot of things to the aerospace salon in pictures and in computer graphics. Kint links to test videos, and not to the cartoon in the article.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 June 2013 08: 35 New
          -10
          Quote: regdan
          I saw the S-300 launches, I did not see the bomb tests against the S-300

          How do you imagine this?
          In general, no one saw the s-300 in business (combat situation).
          1. S-200
            S-200 24 June 2013 09: 08 New
            +3
            Let it for you will SyuPriz love
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 24 June 2013 08: 08 New
    +5
    Yes, nonsense seems. Their planes cannot even reach their original range. And they can not return back. The world's first Jewish kamikaze? wassat

    Moreover, the s-300 also covers the territory of Israel completely (if I'm not mistaken). Israeli DeZa. Even if the bomb is as they say, they do not have effective delivery vehicles. It's like a gauss gun story. There is technology, but there are no energy sources of the right size.
    1. Professor
      24 June 2013 08: 28 New
      -5
      Quote: Tatarus
      Yes, nonsense seems. Their planes cannot even reach their original range. And they can not return back. The world's first Jewish kamikaze?

      If the case took place in the steppes of Kherson, then you would be right.

      Quote: Tatarus
      Moreover, c-300 also covers the territory of Israel completely (if I'm not mistaken).

      So what?

      Quote: Tatarus
      Even if the bomb is as they say, they do not have effective delivery vehicles.

      16 units on only one F-16, and there are not one or two such aircraft at AOI.

      Quote: Tatarus
      There is technology, but there are no energy sources of the right size.

      Garvitation, dear wink
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 09: 10 New
      -8
      Quote: Tatarus
      Yes, nonsense seems. Their planes cannot even reach their original range. And they can not return back. The world's first Jewish kamikaze?

      And so 4 times over the past 3 years. laughing
      1. xan
        xan 24 June 2013 23: 55 New
        +4
        [quote = atalef] And so 4 times over the last 3 years. [/ quote]
        they already answered you, shustrik
        but you preferred not to notice the answer

        11black at 20.21
        Listen, I’ve been watching your crazy talker for a long time.
        YOU ARE CORRECTING FACTS FOR YOURSELF
        I'm talking about the zero efficiency of beeches and shells ... well, you yourself understand that this is idiocy ... I will explain in more detail:
        the beeches as well as the shells are intended for the CLOSE cover of the guarded object, the range of the beech is 40 km, the shell is 20 - Israel has guided bombs analogous to JDAM that fly almost 100 km, it is obvious that Israeli aviation did not enter the Syrian air defense range (no, if you have kamikaze ...) answer me how BUK could bring down an aircraft outside its affected area ... you don’t have to demand the impossible from it, I’m convinced your aircraft never entered their affected area, and here the history of the meeting of the Turkish F4 is indicative f ntoma our armor, which ended with the destruction of the first instant cost him enter the affected area ... here is an example of combat use of our arms.
        point 2 - to reset JDAM to the maximum range, you must be at an altitude of 9-10 km at maximum speed, those must be an ideal target for the C300, which is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 150-200km
        which means you will not be able to use the old tactics anymore, you will have to go down lower so as not to get into the "300 radio horizon", but then you will have to get close to the target and stay out of the BUK defeat zone - and then it will be hard to talk about the effectiveness BUKOV, and I'm sure then they will show themselves ...

        PS you, like any “democrat,” have a talent for dodging facts, you put yourself in the victory of a breakthrough of the MIDDLE self-defense systems even without going into their affected area, despite the fact that these complexes are only part (excuse the pun) of the integrated air defense system / There is no missile defense system in Syria yet, there is no “far arm” that would not allow attacking targets with inconspicuous JDAM from distances beyond the reach of BUKs, with the advent of the C300 this far arm will appear, and with proper planning, you can create an air defense / missile defense complex, and then all the links of this system will be connected in 1 chain (the far arm c300 - destruction of aircraft carriers of BUK - destruction of issued means of attack Shell), and then I will look at your comments on the value of our BUK. IMHO [/ quote]
        1. S-200
          S-200 25 June 2013 17: 23 New
          +1
          In Syria, there is a “far arm”, at least two two-channel S-200VE groups (according to NATO classification SAM-5), a long-range strike zone of over 250 km. If modified, then 300 km.
  • My address
    My address 24 June 2013 08: 20 New
    +3
    Fizz, so french. Cho already 100 km! Give a claim on 500km!

    Elementary desa for the enemy. Even a glider is difficult. Maximum 15 km when reset with 10. Otherwise soooo need wings!
    1. sanych
      sanych 24 June 2013 08: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: My address
      Elementary desa for the enemy. Even a glider is difficult. Maximum 15 km when reset with 10. Otherwise soooo need wings!

      Quote: My address
      MIG-25 at a speed of 2500 km / h from a height of 20 km sent bombs up to a maximum of 50 km.
      What are the Israelis going to throw their bombs over 100 km?

      You guys are "a bit" wrong! The Israeli bomb is just a “winged” bomb and can plan from a great height over a fairly large distance. The MiG-25 used conventional bombs, without additional plumage, only heat-resistant, and then - at 40km. stacked! Compare the ammunition yourself ... So anything is possible.
      1. My address
        My address 24 June 2013 10: 27 New
        -1
        Nope "May" and guaranteed to "be" this is different. I don’t understand aerodynamics, but there is not and will not be an UAB with aerodynamic quality around 10. Unprofitable.
  • ammunition
    ammunition 24 June 2013 08: 23 New
    +7
    There is only one way out. - shoot down all aircraft within a radius of 150 km. If there is no response to the request - "I’m mine."
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 24 June 2013 10: 18 New
      +4
      "Any object larger than a lighter is considered to be a likely adversary of the Russian fighter, which hesitated for more than three seconds to respond to a" friend or foe "request." - Alexander Zorich "Tomorrow's War."

      I think the Syrians should do the same.
    2. rolik
      rolik 24 June 2013 11: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: ammunition
      Shoot down all aircraft within a radius of 150 km.

      Note the drop radius of this bomb and the radius of the air defense system, in order to drop the bomb you still have to enter the affected area. If you only go to small, and then sharply gain altitude and perform a reset. But this also has its own countermeasures. so that, in any case, the plane can (and should) be brought down.
  • darksoul
    darksoul 24 June 2013 08: 26 New
    +4
    Depending on the missiles used, the S-300 can hit aerodynamic targets at ranges of up to 200 km, in height up to 30 km. The meaning of this smart bomb if the Jews in the zone of defeat of the air defense system will be before they drop their smart bomb
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 08: 32 New
      -7
      Quote: darksoul
      Depending on the missiles used, the S-300 can hit aerodynamic targets at ranges of up to 200 km, in height up to 30 km. The meaning of this smart bomb if the Jews in the zone of defeat of the air defense system will be before they drop their smart bomb

      \ The point is that from Israel to the center of Damascus 60 km, or s-300, will begin to bring down all planes over Israel? Well, how many missiles does she need (so the question) to bring down 16 bombs dropped from just one plane - just 16! !! in case of defeat of all. and then ---- 1.5 hours recharge. So how is it ? And if 5 planes (which are just trifles) or 30 or 50 or 80 or 190 (this is only F-16). Well, time to fill up a couple of three, and then?
      1. S-200
        S-200 24 June 2013 08: 40 New
        +1
        You somehow forget that the Syrian Iskander-E and Bal-S haven’t worked for you yet ... That’s why you enter into a rage
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 24 June 2013 09: 57 New
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          it’s okay to lie - neither Iskander nor the Ball in Syria, we ourselves have only one division in Anapa, and it does not work along the coast
          1. S-200
            S-200 25 June 2013 17: 33 New
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            wrong! in Syria - "Bastion-S" and on the ground stationary targets of its KR works - "mother - do not worry!" If you keep the window open, you won’t ask for permission! stop
      2. domokl
        domokl 24 June 2013 09: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        ? Well, how many missiles does she need (so the question is) to bring down 16 bombs dropped from just one plane - just 1

        Do you really keep everyone as idiots? 80 km of distance means a real attack on the territory of Israel. More precisely, the transfer of hostilities to this territory. Are you trying to assure us that your government will take such a step? Your missile defense system will not withstand modern missiles. It It is designed for self-propelled guns. In extreme cases, for portable systems.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 June 2013 10: 32 New
          -3
          Quote: domokl
          Do you really keep everyone as idiots? 80 km of distance means a real attack on the territory of Israel. More precisely, the transfer of hostilities to this territory.

          You know, the military airfield in Ramat David 9, one of the largest in Israel) is located 80-90 km from the center of Damascus (while being deep in Israel) you will shoot down every plane taking off from it. Do you understand the distance in Israel? I see Syria without binoculars once or twice a week., the flight time of the aircraft is 10-15 minutes to the point of impact.

          Quote: domokl
          Your missile defense system cannot withstand modern missiles

          Of course, in the event of a full-scale war, all-missiles will not be shot down and there will be numerous casualties, but what will be the result? What do you think ?
      3. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 24 June 2013 09: 35 New
        +6
        After separating the targets and the hedgehog, it will be clear that the launch has been carried out, the direction of the strike is determined in seconds, if in the direction of Syria the plane falls before the smart bombs cross the border.
        Then one of the Israelites said that they were rich because they were smart. That is, they know how to count money. They will spend money on a new plane, pay a family pension for the loss of a breadwinner, learn a new pilot and cry how much money they lost.
      4. Kirgudum
        Kirgudum 24 June 2013 11: 11 New
        +7
        and then ---- 1.5 hours recharge
        - re-take takes less than an hour. But actually, another, fully equipped machine with full containers may be standing nearby. Further, no one will shoot expensive rockets at small bombs. For this there is an air defense of medium and short range. And if you try to strike with such bombs from YOUR territory, you really run the risk of getting ALL aircraft flying over your territory. If you think that you can sit and with impunity throw shit at neighbors who do not touch you, then you are mistaken.
      5. rolik
        rolik 24 June 2013 14: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        that from Israel to the center of Damascus is 60 km,

        But this is all and charm. Fell planes directly at the airfields, already wrote about this. They just took off, and they were already landed. And one more thing, 60-80 km, excellent. Take the air defense a little further, 150 kilometers away and here it is, a small fluffy creature that will show sharp teeth to brave Jewish pilots. If you do not know this animal, it lives in the north, called - scribe bully
        1. Professor
          24 June 2013 14: 36 New
          -1
          Quote: rolik
          But this is all and charm. Fell planes directly at the airfields, already wrote about this.

          You already wrote this nonsense. Are radars able to see through the mountains? A rhetorical question.

          Quote: rolik
          Take the air defense a little further, kilometers to 150 and here it is, a small fluffy creature that will show sharp teeth to brave Jewish pilots.

          And what will it cover in the desert? And what will cover Damascus? Israel will then be able to bomb with impunity over the Golan Heights without leaving stone unturned in the Syrian capital. What is this animal called?
          1. rolik
            rolik 24 June 2013 15: 02 New
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            You already wrote this nonsense.

            I have already deciphered this stupidity. You think in 2 dimensions)))) From the fact that the complex is moved away from Damascus, its missiles will not lose their strength)))) Their radius of destruction allows the S-300PMU1 / S-300PMU2 to shoot down the enemy at a distance of 150-190 km We’ve moved 100 km from Damascus, we consider the distance of 190 km (S-300PMU2) and 30 km are left in the reserve of the territory of Israel (100 km. To Damascus + 60 km. To the border with Israel and + 30 km the territory of Israel). Arithmetic is simple, while Damascus remains covered and reaches the very border (with a margin).
            And about shining through the mountains, nobody forbids to think straightforwardly, but the result from this is bad.
            And I don’t put any minuses for you, but we talk and defend, each our own, point of view. To put a minus, this is the last move in the debate))))))
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 24 June 2013 15: 29 New
              -2
              with such arithmetic, the Israelis will fly directly to Damascus, bombed from a height of 2 km - and no C300 will see them
              1. rolik
                rolik 24 June 2013 17: 27 New
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                Quote: Tlauicol
                with such arithmetic, the Israelis will fly directly to Damascus,

                Give your arithmetic
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 24 June 2013 17: 55 New
                  -2
                  something like this. such arithmetic
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                  3. S-200
                    S-200 24 June 2013 19: 27 New
                    +1
                    laughing Oh, these are your mathematical things, Perelman!
                    Do you think that if you managed to prove Poincare’s theorem once in your life, now you’re flying wonder-yudo PLAN bombs can be calculated using the formula from maritime navigation for calculating the range of visibility of objects in the sea ? fool
                    To do this, use the calculation formulas glider flight range in calm air. Or - the formula of L. Breguet. To calculate the range with a constant speed and a constant value of lift in an isothermal atmosphere.
                    1. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 24 June 2013 19: 36 New
                      +1
                      D = 4.124√H, where H is the antenna height in meters, D is the radio horizon. It’s more clear.
                      The glider’s flight range has nothing to do with it, we are talking about the S-300 radio horizon. You propose to place the complex north of Damascus 100 km - I reply to you that then Damascus will be razed and the S-300 will not even see it
                      1. S-200
                        S-200 25 June 2013 12: 56 New
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                        It was about the flight range of the planning bomb!
                        do not distort!
                        not about the radio horizon ...
                    2. rolik
                      rolik 25 June 2013 11: 57 New
                      +1
                      Quote: S-200
                      To do this, use the formulas to calculate the glider’s flight range in calm air. Or - the formula of L. Breguet. To calculate the range with a constant speed and a constant value of lift in an isothermal atmosphere.

                      So I was quite surprised to see this formula. (This is the first)
                      Second, I wrote about the range of missiles, and not about the action of the locator))))
                      Third, flying at low altitudes. The professor mentioned mountains that the locator does not shine through. I conclude that Israeli pilots have found a way to fly through the mountains. An intruder was invented, so to speak. They also have to overcome mountains. And if they go at a low altitude along the mountains and go out onto the plain, then they will have to fly at an altitude of less than 10 meters)))))
                      Yes, I forgot, range detectgoals is 300 km. That is, the eyes see further than the arms (rockets) reach. and this is good. And you are talking about the curvature of the globe, this is bad for artillery, visual control is bad.
                      1. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 25 June 2013 19: 38 New
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                        “From the fact that the complex is moved away from Damascus, its missiles will not lose their strength)))) Their radius of destruction allows the S-300PMU1 / S-300PMU2 to shoot down the enemy at a distance of 150-190 km. We moved 100 km away from Damascus, we consider the distance is 190 km (S-300PMU2) and the reserve territory of Israel remains as much as 30 km (100 km. to Damascus + 60 km. to the border with Israel and + 30 km the territory of Israel). The arithmetic is simple, while Damascus remains covered up to borders (with a margin) gets. "(C)
                        I replied to this post of yours, explaining that the range of the rocket will not help if you do not see the target behind the radio horizon. Therefore, do not doom Damascus, pushing the S-300 100km
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 24 June 2013 20: 15 New
              +3
              I’m an absolute land hunter and in the Air Force and Air Defense I understand only from other people's words, but they explained something to me about the curvature of the earth and as I understand it, C-300 radars can lead the enemy at a distance of 200 km when the target moves at a height of at least 5tys / m, and if the planes go at the lowest possible altitudes, then the radar detects the enemy at a distance of 30-40 km, that is, theoretically, machines can reach a distance of 70 / 80km on a shaver, make a hill to drop bombs and dive sharply away from the radars.
              I ask you not to throw slippers, I’m still thinking about it here, a minimum of knowledge for real modeling. repeat
              1. Scoun
                Scoun 25 June 2013 09: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                and if the planes go at the lowest possible altitudes, then radar found the enemy at a distance of 30-40 km, t / e theoretically

                IMHA. there are many different factors that will influence .. I don’t know if the information is transmitted to air defense calculations from other radars or only from those that are in the "composition"
                on 08.08.08 “Bukam” about the flight of our planes, information came from another place and the beeches themselves turned on at the last moment and were immediately cut off after the volley ... and then probably such a situation situation is possible .. missiles in one place radars in another and taking into account the radius you can guess the actions a rocket will fly in the tail or in the mane .. (unless of course someone thread gives up the places of deployment of the complexes)
              2. rolik
                rolik 25 June 2013 17: 11 New
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                [quote = Aron Zaavi] then the radar detected the enemy at a distance of 30-40 km, that is, theoretically, cars can go 70/80 km on a shaver, make a hill to drop bombs and dive sharply when leaving the radar. [/ q
                We answer.
                Systems are controlled by their own radar data and data from managed systems, as well as by information from the controls of neighboring groups and funds of a higher level. Two versions of the 83M6E version were implemented: mobile, with the KP and RLO placed on automobile chassis and transport-container, with the KP and RLO hardware placed in shelters at stationary positions. The antenna device is made on the basis of a phased antenna array with two-sided openings. A review of the space is carried out by combining the circular rotation of the antenna post (1 revolution in 12 seconds) and electronic control of the antenna beam in azimuth and elevation. Sectors of the space survey for detecting tactical, ballistic missiles are provided. Target detection range ≈ up to 300 km
                Maximum target tracking speed ≈ up to 10000 km / h
                Deployment time ≈ 5 min
                The number of combat crew ≈ 6 people.
                The RPN 30N6E2 antenna post can be mounted on a special 40V6M mobile tower.
                So they can fly at a low altitude, they will all the same fall, you will not have time to make a slide crying
                Low Altitude Detector (NVO) - A low-altitude target reconnaissance radar with a continuous signal was usually located on a 24-meter tower in order to increase the detection range of suddenly appearing targets at low altitudes, now the tower was made 35 meters. HBO detects a low-altitude aerodynamic target with an effective reflecting surface of 1 m 2 flying at an altitude of 100 m, at ranges of up to 45 km, and subsequently up to 50 km. Targets such as a cruise missile with an effective dispersion surface of 0,1 m 2 flying at altitudes of 50 m are detected at ranges of up to 28 km, and subsequently from 38 km, which allows the combat crew of the complex to confidently destroy targets both in the depth of the affected area, so and on the near border of the affected area. The probability of hitting a target with one missile was 0,7. These are indicators of the first generation (S300P). And for the S-300PMU1, S-300PMU2 “Favorite”, the characteristics, according to the developers and those who have tested this technique, use more than doubled.
                And finally, a photo of an altitude detector.
    2. S-200
      S-200 24 June 2013 08: 33 New
      +3
      The point is this ...

      Jews expect that their aircraft over their territory will drop these bombs to defeat the Syrian air defense systems and sit unharmed on the airfield. Assuming that missiles such as C-200, C-300, they will be able to intercept Hets-2,3 missiles with their own means and so on.
      1. rolik
        rolik 24 June 2013 17: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: S-200
        Jews expect their aircraft to drop these bombs over their territory

        Perhaps so, but if the air defense is withdrawn from Damascus at a certain distance, you will have to fly closer to the border. And there, as the Professor said, there are mountains. So, having to climb higher is an excellent target on the screens of locators. In general, there are many ..but that can very much strain the Israeli Air Force. There is another detail, our hydrographic ship that is looking for traces of Atlantis, by chance, off the coast of Israel))))
  • Santa bear
    Santa bear 24 June 2013 08: 26 New
    +1
    Good morning to everyone. Of course, I always take the position of patriots of domestic weapons, and as a rule this is justified. but in this case I want to say that relatively cheap gliding bombs with a guidance system are a pretty dangerous thing for any air defense. if the plane drops a dozen of these bombs, then they can only be repelled by an integrated air defense system with many launchers. with the s-300 - only 4 missiles at the launch, even if all 4 hit the target, it’s still a third of the attacking ammunition. and there are a lot of bombs. and the plane is not alone. it turns out they can fill up simply with the number of simultaneously dropped bombs. and Israel can deliver a preemptive strike .. let's say a squadron with such bombs comes up under the electronic warfare and drops them from neutral territory from somewhere .. yes, even Turkey, they probably won’t refuse the best friends of the mattresses. in general all this is dangerous. if you simultaneously drop the cloud of these bombs first, then you can not fight back.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 24 June 2013 09: 07 New
      0
      The armor, And Beech will cover C-300. And C-300 Will cover F-16. Another question is, for what reason did the Armor and Buki not work earlier?
    2. mogus
      mogus 24 June 2013 10: 26 New
      +2
      such bombs will have to be dropped in the deep zone of the S-300. And from a decent height - you can’t hide behind a hill and the radio horizon is straight.
      A little thing is good, honestly.
  • Dima190579
    Dima190579 24 June 2013 08: 30 New
    +1
    Jam GPS signals. Belarusians have stifled sell.
    1. Professor
      24 June 2013 08: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Dima190579
      Jam GPS signals. Belarusians have stifled sell.

      I understand why such a specialist like you should read the article? You already understood everything from the pictures ...
      the bomb is equipped with an "optoelectronic homing head and an algorithm that allows you to compare the image of the target with the image stored in the memory of the bomb in an area saturated with means that disrupt the GPS."
      1. S-200
        S-200 24 June 2013 08: 53 New
        +2
        What a pleasant surprise will be our "laser rangefinders" blinding your optoelectronic heads on the UAB! laughing I wonder at what distance to the target your optoelectronic UAB make the last 1,3,5,10,15 correction or as much as 100km? wink
        1. Professor
          24 June 2013 09: 09 New
          -2
          Quote: S-200
          The point is this ...
          Jews expect that their aircraft over their territory will drop these bombs to defeat the Syrian air defense systems and sit unharmed on the airfield. Assuming that missiles such as C-200, C-300, they will be able to intercept Hets-2,3 missiles with their own means and so on.

          Change your nickname urgently, you have a gap in knowledge of the air defense and missile defense systems. The Hatz is not intended to intercept C-300 interceptors.

          Quote: S-200
          What a pleasant surprise will be our "laser rangefinders" blinding your optoelectronic heads on the UAB!

          The hyperboloid of engineer Garin lives in your fantasies. Do not litter the forum with speculation.

          Quote: S-200
          I wonder at what distance to the target your optoelectronic UAB make the last 1,3,5,10,15 correction or as much as 100km?

          Teach materiel
          1. S-200
            S-200 24 June 2013 09: 46 New
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            Quote: Professor
            Change your nickname urgently, you have a gap in knowledge of the air defense and missile defense systems. The Hatz is not intended to intercept C-300 interceptors.

            That SO ? ... slander WHEN the buza starts, or is the selection of targets so perfect ?? negative
            1. Professor
              24 June 2013 12: 11 New
              -3
              Quote: S-200
              What is SO? ... you will disdain WHEN the booze begins, or is the selection of goals so perfect ??

              Learn materiel - it will help you. hi
              1. S-200
                S-200 24 June 2013 16: 42 New
                +2
                I won’t have to fight on your MAT part!
                bully
                but with our materiel you have another "bunting" ...
                yes
                1. Professor
                  24 June 2013 19: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: S-200
                  I won’t have to fight on your MAT part!

                  The materiel is never yours and ours, and I suspect that you personally have never fought and will be.
                  1. S-200
                    S-200 25 June 2013 17: 43 New
                    0
                    I didn’t fight, but at a training ground in Sary-Shagan I had a chance to shoot (in my youth)))
          2. S-200
            S-200 24 June 2013 20: 26 New
            +1
            I demand legal guarantees non-compliance your Hets (s) in our missiles! laughing
      2. patrianostra
        patrianostra 24 June 2013 09: 41 New
        +5
        Dear, what about the asemetric answer on the other hand. In connection with the systematic sleep at the guard posts of gallant khayals (soldiers) associated with standing for 6-12 or more at posts, the task of penetrating protected objects is simplified many times and by orders of magnitude that you say so or you think that the opponents will play with white gloves and Israel will do what he wants in confidence that the enemy does not understand holy naivety at all. The enemy can also strike back at targets and inland without using an air force. How do you like this? Regards hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 June 2013 10: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: patrianostra
          . In connection with the systematic sleep at the guard posts of the gallant khayals (soldiers) associated with standing for 6-12 or more at the posts, the task of penetrating protected objects is simplified by several times

          The mess is enough everywhere, but somehow it seems to me that we have less of it and it seems to me. that 3 years of service makes a soldier well, at least not worse than a brave Russian peer.

          Quote: patrianostra
          Israel will do what he wants in confidence that the enemy doesn’t understand holy naivety

          No, the enemy is cruel and treacherous, only his air defense is rubbish, and everything else is on top laughing

          Quote: patrianostra
          The enemy can also strike back at targets and inland without using an air force. How do you like this?

          No way, I could - had done it long ago.
          Best regards hi
          1. patrianostra
            patrianostra 25 June 2013 09: 38 New
            0
            Campaign plays are similar to what happened to the “gallant defender” Shalit, the most famous at the moment. And there are a lot of identical incidents, but not all of them hit the teeth of journalists. At the expense of the mess in any army in bulk. Three years, I don’t argue this period, but tell me what is the correlation between the Kravim and the Jopniks (militants and rear) in the AOI that has seen enough of this wonderful tribe who goes to military service as a not-so-pleasant job. The classics will be hit not at the base where the Kravniks sit highly motivated. Yours faithfully drinks
      3. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 24 June 2013 10: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        the bomb is equipped with an "optoelectronic homing head and an algorithm that allows you to compare the image of the target with the image stored in the memory of the bomb in an area saturated with means that disrupt the GPS."

        Banal target closure with a camouflage net and bombs will puzzle for a long time where to fly? Whom to blow up?)))
        All this is a joke, of course, but do not you really think that all the same, everyone is smarter ?.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 June 2013 10: 38 New
          -3
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          Banal target closure with a camouflage net and bombs will puzzle for a long time where to fly? Whom to blow up?)))

          Do not carry heresy corny.
          1. S-200
            S-200 25 June 2013 18: 09 New
            0
            Well, the smoke and aerosol curtain is widely used for optical interference in armored vehicles ...
            It looks like your military-technical horizons are limited only to the uzi and m-16 ..
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 09: 12 New
      -3
      Quote: Dima190579
      Jam GPS signals. Belarusians have stifled sell.

      Yes, I heard that they upgraded Syria’s air defense 2 years ago ---- I dare to assure you very successfully. laughing
  • Strashila
    Strashila 24 June 2013 08: 53 New
    +3
    The idea is not bad. It will have to be taken into account when placing S-300 systems. Shilka, Tunguska, Panzeri their significance increases when reflected with such weapons. EW stations will have to be supplemented with complexes for suppressing optoelectronic guidance systems used in the same Air Force for protecting aircraft based on lasers. We will not drown out, we will be blinded. Such a system is good when used from under the silence. With full-fledged military operations, in order to use the aircraft, you need to climb to a considerable height in a radius of less than 100 km, I will not believe in anything about using it from 100 m ... and here the S-300 should show itself.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 09: 34 New
      -5
      Quote: Strashila
      The idea is not bad. It will have to be taken into account when placing S-300 systems. Shilka, Tunguska, Panzeri their significance increases when reflected with such weapons. EW stations will have to be supplemented with complexes of suppression systems for optoelectronic guidance systems used in the same Air Force when protecting aircraft based on lasers.

      I'm just blinded (already) and all this is Syrians --- well, well

      Quote: Strashila
      Such a system is good when applied from under the silence

      Stratag

      Quote: Strashila
      With full-fledged military operations, in order to use the aircraft, you need to climb to a considerable height in a radius of less than 100 km, I will not believe in anything about using it from 100 m ... and here the S-300 should show itself

      You are fully consistent with your nickname laughing
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 24 June 2013 08: 55 New
    0
    Good What a ridiculous and illiterate dis! This is how they were going to hit targets at a distance of 100 km without engines? Plan with a weight of 150 kg? smacks of antiphysics! This is at what speed and at what height it is necessary to reset it! Did not believe!....
    1. S-200
      S-200 24 June 2013 09: 05 New
      +1
      I have a shit with ariHmetiki, But take the F-16 at an altitude of 12 km and a speed of 2M ... but it most likely will fly! ((
    2. Professor
      24 June 2013 09: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Dwarfik
      Good What a ridiculous and illiterate dis! This is how they were going to hit targets at a distance of 100 km without engines? Plan with a weight of 150 kg? smacks of antiphysics! This is at what speed and at what height it is necessary to reset it! Did not believe!....

      A Boeing 747 with a weight of 214 tons is capable of planning 1 to 5 (from a height of 10 km it will fly in 50 km off engines). So much for the weight in 150 kg. laughing

      Uneducated people went however. sad
      1. Midshipman
        Midshipman 24 June 2013 09: 54 New
        +5
        And even more than that. The aerodynamic quality of the Boeing 15, respectively, from a height of 10 km it will fly 150 km. There is nothing to do with mass, and even the size of the "wings". The range of planning depends on the aerodynamic quality, which is a derivative of air resistance and wing lift. A dozen for an aerodynamically clean bomb is an achievable value.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 June 2013 10: 10 New
        +3
        A Boeing 747 with a weight of 214 tons is capable of planning 1 to 5 (from a height of 10 km it will fly in 50 km off engines). So much for the weight in 150 kg.

        Compare ... And the area of ​​the wing and its geometry, as it were, with nothing? If this bomb had a normal wing, I would still believe in 100 km, and this "rake" ... The speed of the bomb after dropping from the plane will decrease and this wing will not help much at low speed.
        And dumping with 2M, as some say here, something is not too real.
      3. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 24 June 2013 10: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Boeing 747 with a weight of 214 tons is able to plan 1 to 5 (from a height of 10 km it will fly 50 km with engines off)

        But subject to the health of the stabilizer control systems. Otherwise, it will collapse like a stone ...

        Quote: Professor
        Uneducated people went however

        It's right. Only "not educated" is spelled together however ...
        1. Professor
          24 June 2013 12: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Chicot 1
          It's right. Only "not educated" is written together however ..

          Not sure. Not very educated not quite educated - as far as I remember, if you can insert a word, you can write separately. However, I'm a techie ... request
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 24 June 2013 13: 15 New
            +3
            I, too, am not a linguist, although a humanist ... But here is what the great and incomparable Wikipedia says about this (if you don’t mind of course) -
            необразованныйhttps://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0
            %B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9
          2. kagorta
            kagorta 24 June 2013 14: 31 New
            +1
            Professor, I don’t care, but just curious. I used to think that you simply have dual citizenship and you are a patriot of two countries (strange, but it happens). And now somehow it’s not clear. Can enlighten yourself? wink What are you doing now?
            1. Professor
              24 June 2013 15: 04 New
              +6
              Quote: kagorta
              And now somehow it’s not clear. Can enlighten yourself? What are you doing now?

              What are you doing? It’s known how I work out the money of the CIA, MI6 and Mossad slandering the Russian weapons that have no equivalent in the world. laughing
              None of my comments contain a word that Russian weapons are bad, but Israeli or some other good ones. I study to match and do not pass by gorlopanov and upapatriots. So in this article, if the Americans had the C-300 complex, and Russia had the Spice-250 complex, then my opinion would not have changed at all and would not give the American C-300 one more chance than I give the Russian one. hi
              1. kagorta
                kagorta 25 June 2013 04: 49 New
                0
                Well, as always, one continuous demagogy :), but seriously.
  • regdan
    regdan 24 June 2013 09: 03 New
    +1
    Why should Israel attack the S-300? S-300 does not threaten Israel. S-300 only protects the territory entrusted to him. The article is certainly interesting, progress does not stand still and is developing. Can these bombs be used against the Iron Dome and Patriot, or were they created against the S-300? Is there future potential for bombs against the S-400, S-500?
    1. Professor
      24 June 2013 15: 07 New
      -2
      Quote: regdan
      Is there future potential for bombs against C-400, C-500?

      It is laid in the low cost of these bombs. I read somewhere that the C-300 rocket costs more than a million dollars. Against the ammunition of one F-16 you need 16 millions, ten 160 ... They will crush the mass.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 24 June 2013 15: 18 New
        0
        By the way, I forgot to write about the price tag.
        But syudy would be in the subject would be a morpheus that he definitely divides by 0 all such uberwafles especially with a battery. At that and TsU dofiga and reaction speed and BC cheap missiles.
      2. xan
        xan 25 June 2013 00: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        It is laid in the low cost of these bombs. I read somewhere that the C-300 rocket costs more than a million dollars. Against the ammunition of one F-16 you need 16 millions, ten 160 ... They will crush the mass.

        Well, what an eccentric (softly) will shoot down planning bombs with S-300 missiles?
      3. Scoun
        Scoun 25 June 2013 10: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        It is laid in the low cost of these bombs. I read somewhere that the S-300 rocket costs more than a million dollars. Against the ammunition of one F-16 you need 16 million, ten 160.

        I honestly .. still do not understand why the forum users stubbornly consider 16 bombs = 16 C300 missiles
        In 1999, several types of missiles were first introduced at once, in addition to the 5V55R (V-500R), 48N6 and 48N6E2 S-300PMU1 missiles, could use two new missiles: 9M96E1 and 9M96E2. Both are significantly smaller in size than previous missiles, and weigh 330 and 420 kg, respectively, while carrying smaller masses (24 kg) of warheads [21]. 9M96E1 has a radius of destruction of 1-40 km and 9M96E2 1-120 km. For maneuvering, they rather use not even the aerodynamic plumage, but the gas-dynamic system, which allows them to have a very high probability of destruction, despite the much smaller warhead. The probability of hitting a ballistic target is 0,9 [22] for both missiles. S-300PMU1 uses the 83M6E control system, although there is also compatibility with the old Baikal-1E and Senezh-M1E control systems. The 83M6E includes a 64N6E survey radar. The on-load tap-changer uses 30N6E1 and optionally a low-altitude detector 76N6 and an all-altitude detector 96L6E can be used. 83M6E can control up to 12 launchers, both self-propelled 5P85SE and trailed 5P85TE. Usually, support vehicles, such as the 40V6M tower, designed to raise the antenna post, are also turned on.

        I still tend to think that the 2nd S-300 rocket = 1 aircraft.
  • Krsk
    Krsk 24 June 2013 09: 05 New
    0
    What else should they say? The chances are that against 300 ki 0 whole ... tenths and the people then need to calm their own, otherwise they will ask their own people from them - why was this necessary? So then they will soon invent a superior fighter PAK FA as a sidekick their pissed FU 35 of their own. )))
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 24 June 2013 09: 13 New
    -1
    if you take f-16 with a ceiling of 15 km, the bomb must dive at an angle of 15 degrees relative to the ground, even taking into account the inertia, it seems to me 100 km is a lot hi
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 09: 38 New
      -4
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      if you take f-16 with a ceiling of 15 km, the bomb must dive at an angle of 15 degrees relative to the ground, even taking into account the inertia, it seems to me 100 km is a lot

      To dive? And why should she have wings?
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 24 June 2013 10: 07 New
        +2
        yes there’s no wing area, judging by the photo, but the engine of the bomb is net and the air density at an altitude of 15 km will be much less! wassat
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 June 2013 15: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          yes there’s no wing area, judging by the photo, and the engine of the bomb is net and the air density at an altitude of 15 km will be much less

          Well, it’s clear that they were attached for beauty.
  • yanus
    yanus 24 June 2013 09: 15 New
    10
    Firstly, for a bomb to fly through so many kilometers, even 30 km. EE will not be able to drop from a 100-meter height. And this means the aircraft will rise to a height where it will be "seen" by air defense.
    Secondly, the phrase "an image of a memorized bomb in an area saturated with means that interfere with GPS." According to him: “The pilot can put the target in the homing head before dropping off or during the flight” hints once again that the pilot must rise to a great height and find the target before launch, and then he and ... Or drop bombs in that side "and support the video channel with them, but again you have to reset it from a great height, it just saves time on finding the target.
    Thirdly, the bomb trample in a straight line with minimal horizontal twists, otherwise the height will be lost. Accordingly, there should not be any high obstacles such as mountains on the line.
    Fourth, the speed of the bomb near the target will be minimal. She will simply be shot by Armor or Tunguska.

    In short, in Israel there are enough of their own shortcuts and “marketers / PR specialists”. True story with the supply of S-300 and the subsequent statement about smart bombs, makes the Israelis look like seven kids who chant "we are not afraid of the gray wolf."
    1. S-200
      S-200 24 June 2013 09: 51 New
      +3
      ETA bomb - STANDARD target for "Shilka", "Tunguska", not to mention the "shell" and "torus"
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 09: 57 New
      -8
      Quote: yanus
      Firstly, for a bomb to fly through so many kilometers, even 30 km. EE will not be able to drop from a 100-meter height. And this means the aircraft will rise to a height where it will be "seen" by air defense.

      Will he see? Strange last 4 times, nobody saw anyone

      Quote: yanus
      The pilot can put the target in the homing head before the reset or during the flight "hints once again that the pilot must rise to a great height before launch and find the target

      This only hints at the fact that the pilot can reprogram the bomb, and you can set the target on the ground, you generally understand the flight time for hitting Damascus - 10 minutes to a maximum of 15 (flight time is from the take-off time - which would be clearer)

      Quote: yanus
      Thirdly, the bomb trample in a straight line with minimal horizontal twists, otherwise the height will be lost. Accordingly, there should not be any high obstacles such as mountains on the line.

      Type of mountain - This is by the level of the Himalayas - such as hills. In Israel there are no mountains higher
      2.5 km, and even then one, and so no more than 1-.5 km

      Quote: yanus
      Fourth, the speed of the bomb near the target will be minimal. She will simply be shot by Armor or Tunguska.

      Me, I'm a naturlich. We saw in the case both the Tunguska and the Carapace and Buki., Not more than 2 months ago

      Quote: yanus
      In short, in Israel, there are enough of their "stuff" and "marketing / PR"

      You goof off. so far we have flown and bombed - the only one who is coddling is you - and a weapon that has no analogues in the world.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 24 June 2013 10: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: atalef

        Will he see? Strange last 4 times, nobody saw anyone


        This only hints at the fact that the pilot can reprogram the bomb, and you can set the target on the ground, you generally understand the flight time for hitting Damascus - 10 minutes to a maximum of 15 (flight time is from the take-off time - which would be clearer)


        Type of mountain - This is by the level of the Himalayas - such as hills. In Israel there are no mountains higher
        2.5 km, and even then one, and so no more than 1-.5 km


        Me, I'm a naturlich. We saw in the case both the Tunguska and the Carapace and Buki., Not more than 2 months ago


        You goof off. so far we have flown and bombed - the only one who is coddling is you - and a weapon that has no analogues in the world.

        Yes, you are a direct expert on planning aviation munitions (or what are they correctly and professionally called there?), Dear Alexander ... Let it be so. Like a little earlier, you were an expert on the Merkava tanks ...
        However, let me give you a little advice - do not run into rudeness in the same way as Andrei did (nick Atrix) May 31 in a topic with a geopolitical review ...

        Do you recognize Alexander? .. Yes, this is Eilat. His predecessor was drowned by one anti-ship missile. How long do you think this one will last in the event of a serious conflict with a serious adversary? ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 June 2013 14: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Chicot 1
          Do you recognize Alexander? .. Yes, this is Eilat. His predecessor was drowned by one anti-ship missile. How long do you think this will last in the event of a serious conflict with a serious adversary ?.

          Name the adversary.
          1. S-200
            S-200 24 June 2013 16: 52 New
            +3
            Mongol-Tatar horde (hereditary) ... lol
          2. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 24 June 2013 17: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Chicot 1
            Do you recognize Alexander? .. Yes, this is Eilat. His predecessor was drowned by one anti-ship missile. How long do you think this will last in the event of a serious conflict with a serious adversary ?.

            Name the adversary.

            I repeat once again - a serious opponent. That is equivalent, located at the same level (but it is possible that exceeding it) ...
            Or do you need specifics like the country, the type of ship, their number? .. Then, please, you can dream up yourself. I'm not against...
    3. tlauicol
      tlauicol 24 June 2013 10: 03 New
      +5
      every day hundreds of planes fly over Israel - are they shot down (well, just in case)? request friend or foe? (well, at least civilians take off according to the schedule, and if they are fighting). At any second, one of them will drop 20 HARMs - these are missiles, by the way, you will not even have to climb 15 km. And add here airplanes over the sea, Turkey, etc., etc. This problem for Syrian air defense is too tough
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 24 June 2013 09: 40 New
    +2
    I think that C-300 will not stand at the post in splendid isolation ... and short-range air defense systems, such as the Shell and Thor, will cover it ... and not a single Jewish mosquito will fly by such weapons while covering each other. ... Rest assured, the Zionists ...
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 24 June 2013 09: 42 New
    0
    The thing is dangerous only for mass use. Mini Tomahawk. smile
    That's just as they usually said, not everyone and perfectly publicized their weapons. They ask the right questions - from what height should it be dropped so that it flies 100 km? Well this is not a glider. And how long will it fly to the goal? Is there a correction from the plane?
    So C-300, seeing on the radars a massive dump of such toys, has a chance to curl up and leave the position. Or .. promptly inflate the layouts by disguising real PUs. Some bombs knock down small-radius air defense systems, some fall on mock-ups ...
    And about the iron dome - is it advertising? Like this system can destroy these bombs?
    1. S-200
      S-200 24 June 2013 10: 01 New
      +2
      well WHAT is it tomahawk ??? The Kyrgyz Republic flies around the terrain and along the route the curvature of which depends on the saturation of the air defense system in the route. The height in the air defense zone is extremely small. And this crap with a gentle trajectory of decline, without maneuver .... From a height - more kilometers
      "Skeet" - The exercise is called for our ZSU and ZRAKOV ..
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 June 2013 10: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: Wedmak
      So C-300, seeing on the radars a massive dump of such toys, has a chance to curl up and leave the position. Or .. promptly inflate the layouts by disguising real PUs. Some bombs knock down small-radius air defense systems, some fall on mock-ups ...

      And all this minutes so for 5-10 (maximum) there certainly are not hot Estonian guys, but not supermen for sure.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 June 2013 13: 41 New
        +4
        And all this minutes so for 5-10 (maximum) there certainly are not hot Estonian guys, but not supermen for sure.

        Enough and a half minutes to remove the carrier from the sky - there will be no one to carry out the correction. To deceive the optoelectronic guidance system - we stupidly change the geometric parameters of the object. What will she see?
        Speak 5-10 minutes ... Well, hell, I do not know at what speed these bombs are planning. Nevertheless, they are excellent targets for SAMs.
    3. Professor
      24 June 2013 12: 08 New
      -3
      Quote: Wedmak
      . They ask the right questions - from what height should it be dropped so that it flies 100 km? Well this is not a glider. And how long will it fly to the goal? Is there a correction from the plane?

      From the cruising altitude of the F-16, it’s just a glider, there isn’t enough time to shed the C-300 since the bomb does not work according to the coordinates but according to the image of the object, correction during the flight is possible.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 June 2013 13: 48 New
        +1
        Eeee ... cruising altitude? Is there such a thing? I know cruising speed .. I don’t know the height.
        it’s just a glider, there’s not enough time to fade C-300 since the bomb does not work according to the coordinates but according to the image of the object, correction during the flight is possible.

        Glider, glider ... for example, the carrier aircraft was not removed after the bombing, because in order to carry out the correction, he needs to be in touch with the bomb. So in the radius of line of sight. And that means a very great chance to fall yourself.
        And further. The United States used high-precision television-guided bombs. Only here is one BUT - they used them already when air defense was suppressed, or even at night, against stationary objects. So tell me, is this weapon too far-flung?
        And the image of the object ... so we have inflatable models, do you want to supply 50 pieces? And figs from such a height you can figure out where the real ones are and where the inflatable ones are!
        1. Professor
          24 June 2013 14: 25 New
          -2
          Quote: Wedmak
          Eeee ... cruising altitude? Is there such a thing? I know cruising speed .. I don’t know the height.

          How will it be in Russian ... cruise altitude so it will be "cruising altitude; cruising altitude"

          Quote: Wedmak
          Glider, glider ... for example, the carrier aircraft was not removed after the bombing, because in order to carry out the correction, he needs to be in touch with the bomb. So in the radius of line of sight.

          Does an airplane give signals to a rocket?

          Quote: Wedmak
          So tell me, is this weapon too far-flung?

          Absolutely not publicized, if I had not translated this article, you would not have known about it. Where is the PR?

          Quote: Wedmak
          And the image of the object ... so we have inflatable models, do you want to supply 50 pieces? And figs from such a height you can figure out where the real ones are and where the inflatable ones are!

          You certainly think that the IDF attack means are limited to this bomb. You at least watch a video to understand that the pilot has the opportunity to observe the target through the GOS bomb, respectively, from a distance of zero when the target is hit.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 24 June 2013 14: 34 New
            +2
            Does an airplane give signals to a rocket?

            No of course, but
            the pilot has the ability to observe the target through GOS bombs, respectively, from a distance of zero when the target is hit.

            ..the television signal is transmitted only within the line of sight. Over the horizon, you will not be able to control this bomb. Unless via satellite, but I doubt very much that a satellite transceiver will be installed on consumables of such low cost.
            But! The pilot can observe a maximum of two ammunition (even if this is done by the weapons operator) and aim them at the target. What to do with the rest of the bunch of bombs flying towards the target? Or do they work as distractions? In this case, I will understand the logic of the use of this ammunition.
            You certainly think that the IDF attack means are limited to this bomb.

            I am not so naive. To make a well-organized air defense system, you need a very powerful blow, by various means in the complex.
            1. Professor
              24 June 2013 15: 17 New
              +2
              Quote: Wedmak
              ..the television signal is transmitted only within the line of sight. Over the horizon, you will not be able to control this bomb. Unless via satellite, but I doubt very much that a satellite transceiver will be installed on consumables of such low cost.

              Repeaters have long been deployed on UAVs.

              Quote: Wedmak
              The pilot can observe a maximum of two ammunition (even if this is done by the weapons operator) and aim them at the target. What to do with the rest of the bunch of bombs flying towards the target? Or do they work as distractions? In this case, I will understand the logic of the use of this ammunition.

              Here the point is not exactly how many navigators are able to observe in real time. Here I posted an article about the problems with confirmation of the destruction of targets in the West. In this case, the topography of the terrain and the attacked object are clogged in the memory of the bomb. Shot, forgot. A video image from the GOS is transferred on board the aircraft and recorded on the hard drive or directly to the rear where the girls check frame by frame whether an object, an inflatable rubber product or something else was destroyed. Accordingly, a second attack can be made instantly.

              Quote: Wedmak
              To make a well-organized air defense system, you need a very powerful blow, by various means in the complex.

              It will be so, and these bombs, in view of their mass character, pose a real threat. This is not Tomahawk, after the launch of which the Minister of Finance grabs Validol, such bombs will not be saved.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 24 June 2013 15: 27 New
                +1
                Repeaters have long been deployed on UAVs.

                The UAV repeater will go where the carrier aircraft is.
                about problems with confirmation of the destruction of targets in the West .... Accordingly, a second attack can be carried out instantly.

                Maybe if ammunition remains.
                such bombs will not save.

                By the way, how much does one such bomb cost? Secret? Of course, everything is more expensive than usual, but still?
          2. Arkan
            Arkan 24 June 2013 14: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            You certainly think that the IDF attack means are limited to this bomb.

            Do you think that Syria’s answer will be only in the range of air defense capabilities? Syria has enough chemical weapons to poison Jews from Israel like cockroaches - why did you get the idea that the Syrians are not using it for its intended purpose?
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 June 2013 15: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Arkan
              Do you think that Syria’s answer will be only in the range of air defense capabilities? Syria has enough chemical weapons to poison Jews from Israel like cockroaches - why did you get the idea that the Syrians are not using it for its intended purpose?

              As always, Israel has nothing to answer to the use of WMD belay
              1. Arkan
                Arkan 24 June 2013 15: 50 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                As always, Israel has nothing to answer to the use of WMD

                Well, let's see what the slave hides in his closet ... Well, in fact, this "Israeli response" will no longer have a military meaning - the surviving Jews will simply be dumped from the polluted territories, which will mean the end of Israel.
                1. Denis
                  Denis 24 June 2013 17: 22 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Arkan
                  the surviving Jews will simply be dumped from the contaminated territories, which will mean the end of Israel.
                  This is the end of the territories, someone else can live on them?
                  1. Arkan
                    Arkan 24 June 2013 17: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Denis
                    This is the end of the territories, someone else can live on them?

                    Three hundred years later, yes. There is no other way out (looking at the fate of Hussein, Milosevic, Gaddafi ...) neither Syria nor Iran - I do not think that they will be too scrupulous.
                    1. Denis
                      Denis 24 June 2013 20: 33 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Arkan
                      There is no other way out (looking at the fate of Hussein, Milosevic, Gaddafi ...) neither Syria nor Iran - I do not think that they will be too scrupulous.
                      But it’s like letting a genie out of a bottle. One thing is an ordinary war, how many there were and will be, another with the use of WMD. Yes, and applying it immediately becomes extreme
                      1. Arkan
                        Arkan 24 June 2013 21: 15 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Denis
                        But it's like letting a genie out of a bottle

                        They have been explaining this to the Jews for about forty years now - it doesn’t get there. Well, and God with them is their problem.
                        Quote: Denis
                        Yes, and applying it immediately become extreme

                        And before whom is the "extreme"? They are extreme in front of the USA and the Sixes, they have nothing to lose.
                      2. Denis
                        Denis 24 June 2013 23: 26 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Arkan
                        And before whom is the "extreme"? They are extreme in front of the USA and the Sixes, they have nothing to lose
                        Not about them, with these and so everything is clear. The use of WMDs can restore against other countries that are far from this conflict. China, Argentina, India, and we have WMDs banned
    4. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 24 June 2013 14: 14 New
      +3
      From the cruising altitude of the F-16, it’s just a glider, there isn’t enough time to shed the C-300 since the bomb does not work according to the coordinates but according to the image of the object, correction during the flight is possible.
      What's the difference. Of course, having the capabilities of Israel, in comparison with Syria, bombing will not be a problem. Bomb more, spit on Russia more, then there will be no issues in the matter of supplies to Iran. The mystery of why you are still writing here, the hedgehog understands the good from Israel and its shadow masters.
    5. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 24 June 2013 16: 28 New
      +4
      "Image of an object" is a very vague concept. Can you tell what the covered C300 looks like? I can not. A thousand options. In addition, false targets, interference, counteraction of air defense systems. It’s commonplace to set fire to old tires and they will cover the complex with their smoke in the optical range. Remains an external TSU, for example, from friends from the United States.
      And now, the harsh Arab reality. I have no doubt for a second that, if necessary, Israel will mix all Syrian air defense with the earth. For the Arabs never knew how to fight, and from the moment when the war became a contest of minds and technologies - there have always been bits. Killing, raping, torturing is their element. They have this business and have their own religion.
      However, in the place of Israel, I would not go beyond. For if you threaten the national interests of Russia, then our calculations with our equipment will arrive there. And if that is our will, then the fate of heaven and everything else in this region will be decided in Washington and Moscow.
      Israel is a lean fighter in a hostile environment. Having knocked out teeth to everyone who threatened you, you proved that you have the right to life.
      But this mess can go beyond your weight category, and I repeat, your fate will be decided in Washington and Moscow.
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 24 June 2013 16: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Sergey_K
        But this mess can go beyond your weight category, and I repeat, your fate will be decided in Washington and Moscow.

        Not anymore - the fate of Israel, apart from Moscow and Washington, can now be decided by Beijing and Islamabad simply by selling Iran several nuclear warheads ...
        1. Sergey_K
          Sergey_K 24 June 2013 17: 22 New
          0
          So no one will ever do it.
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 24 June 2013 17: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Sergey_K
            So no one will ever do it.

            Israel’s strategic security is built on this belief - a very precarious basis smile And it seems to me that this is exactly what they will do: Why should the Chinese or Pakistanis follow the UN charters if neither Jews, Europeans nor Americans do this? But for Pakistan and China this is a matter of energy security, for Russia it is a question of economic stability ... Yes, and the disappearance of Israel can simply not be commented on - the benefit of such precedents in international politics, the mass ...
      2. Professor
        24 June 2013 19: 02 New
        -1
        Quote: Sergey_K
        Can you tell me what the covered C300 looks like?

        The UAV and rzvedsputnik operator knows. wink

        Quote: Sergey_K
        For if you threaten the national interests of Russia, then our calculations with our equipment will arrive there.

        Already tried repeatedly - it did not help.

        Quote: Sergey_K
        But this mess can go beyond your weight category, and I repeat, your fate will be decided in Washington and Moscow.

        Gone are the days when the fate of the Jewish people was decided in the capital of other states, now it is decided only in Jerusalem. hi
        1. mark1
          mark1 24 June 2013 21: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Professor

          Quote: Sergey_K
          For if you threaten the national interests of Russia, then our calculations with our equipment will arrive there.

          Already tried repeatedly - it did not help.

          A cat scratches at its ridge ...
      3. atalef
        atalef 24 June 2013 20: 39 New
        -2
        Quote: Sergey_K
        Can you tell what the covered C300 looks like? I could not

        I can say that the s-300 has no shelter and cannot be a priori.
  • Dejavu
    Dejavu 24 June 2013 09: 54 New
    +2
    It’s now fashionable to publicize their offspring, which will break our nuclear shield without straining, and break through the air defense, and in general the Kremlin can be spammed with cruise missiles along with our mines, impenetrable bunkers and other means that can erase Geyropa, the United States and someone else bearded with a Kalash screaming Allahu akbar for company for a couple of hours.

    I DO NOT BELIEVE!
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 24 June 2013 10: 25 New
    +4
    It’s not about the bomb itself. Although, she herself is also an interesting thing ... True, here his opposition to the S-300 complex is not too correct. The weight categories are different however. Yes, and the S-300 was not intended to shoot down planning bombs initially. So they are cunning in Israel. Oh, how they are cunning! ..

    It is much more important here that the leadership of Israel goes to great lengths to drive Assad out of Syria. Does Tel Aviv really believe that with Assad’s departure all questions of the Syrian-Israeli confrontation will disappear once and for all and that the new Syrian authorities will be flexible and fluffy like a trained poodle? ..
    After all, it is still unknown who will come to power in Syria after Assad’s departure. And here a lot of scenarios are possible - from relatively mild Egyptian to hard Somali ...
    It would be interesting to know the opinion on this subject from our colleagues from the Promised Land ...
  • yanus
    yanus 24 June 2013 10: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: yanus
    Firstly, for a bomb to fly through so many kilometers, even 30 km. EE will not be able to drop from a 100-meter height. And this means the aircraft will rise to a height where it will be "seen" by air defense.

    Will he see? Strange last 4 times, nobody saw anyone

    Firstly, the "last times" were launches just from low altitudes, with missiles rather than bombs.
    Secondly, there were no s-300s or systems with a similar radius.
    Thirdly, why d