Israeli bomb capable of handling C-300

Rafael introduced the Spice-250 bomb, capable of overcoming the Russian air defense system, the transfer of which to Syria worries Israel and its allies. The bomb is capable of hitting targets within a radius of 100 kilometers.

The C-300 air defense system, which is expected to be supplied by Moscow to Damascus as part of the sale of weapons between Russia and Syria, in recent months, the entire Middle East and even some Western countries have been worried. Against the backdrop of fears of losing Israeli superiority, the Israeli company Raphael, the most advanced technology manufacturer, recently unveiled several of its new combat systems in the Israeli Paris Air Show pavilion, including the Spice-250 bomb, which should be a response to modern air defense systems, such as C-300.

This smart little bomb belongs to the Spice-1000 and Spice-2000 families. The Spice-250 weighs 150 kilograms, does not possess an engine, and will be ready for adoption in two years. The bomb opens its wings after being dropped from a fighter and is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 100 kilometers.

Rafael Oren Uriel, vice president of marketing and business development, said that the bomb is equipped with an "optoelectronic homing head and an algorithm to compare the image of the target with the image recorded in the memory of a bomb in an area saturated with GPS-disrupting tools." In his words: "The pilot can put a target in the homing head before a discharge or during a flight."

F-16 capable of carrying 16 bombs Spice-250, illustration

There is a perception among Western security experts that this bomb is capable of overcoming air defense systems, such as C-300, due to its long range.

"You were not mistaken. This bomb is capable of hitting targets within 100 km and is relatively small compared to its sisters (Spice-1000 and Spice-2000) and, therefore, has less visibility. Thus, it makes it difficult for air defense systems to detect it. In addition, one F-16 aircraft can carry X-NUMX Spice-16 bombs and, in addition to being able to destroy several targets at the same time, it can impede enemy radar operations by simultaneously dropping a large number of bombs. C-250 air defense systems and the like will be very difficult to deal with. with these things ozhnostyami ".

According to foreign sources, the Israeli Air Force attacked targets in Syria using smart long-range bombs and not necessarily entering the airspace of Syria. Is this a global trend?

“I don’t want to comment on past events. Spice-250 was developed jointly with the Israeli Air Force. Currently, they are its only client. Spice-250 allows the user to act in remote areas of air defense systems. The global trend today is to reduce the cost of weapons. defense budgets are shrinking around the world, so customers are interested in a low price, but are not ready to make compromises. In this case, they will get a small and inexpensive product. This is not an easy technological challenge. "

The launcher of the missile defense system Iron Dome at an air show in France

You represent the “Iron Dome” system at the entrance to the international exhibition. What can you say about your interest in the system?

The Iron Dome gained worldwide fame during the Pillar of Fire operation due to its ability to intercept various types of missiles. Few systems of this type received real-time coverage as the Iron Dome. The system is showing increased interest. This is even noticeable by the number of photographs against the background of the launcher. I believe that the Chinese and Iranians, who did not have time to do it at an exhibition in India, are trying not to miss this opportunity now. Many countries contact us for detailed information about the system. "

Comments

[gland]

For every tricky bomb, there is also a SAM with a screw!

[tronin.maxim]

I doubt this clever bomb! If I'm not mistaken, the X-NUMX even sees small objects and it doesn’t matter whether they plan or fly. It’s pointless to use stealth technologies, since a long time ago in the USSR it was proved that it was impossible to completely hide an object. They put a radio jamming system in a bomb + they’re afraid, I don’t believe it. This is infa inf so that local democracies calm and no more!

[Kurtshaar]

The essence of the possible problem is not the bomb.
The most important thing is the very possibility of its application and the consequences of this.
An attempt by the Israelis to bomb any target on the territory of Syria essentially means an act of aggression.
The presence of air defense systems in Syria does not violate any norms of international law, but even one Jewish bomb dropped by Israel on Syrian territory is essentially an act of war.
One can only imagine what consequences this may have, but undoubtedly this will only complicate the situation in the region, and especially for the Jewish state itself.
Israel will thereby further increase the degree of self-hatred by the international community.

[Professor]

Quote: Kurzhaar

An attempt by the Israelis to bomb any target on the territory of Syria essentially means an act of aggression.

These and similar bombs can also be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea (the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km) and not necessarily by Israel. On the island of Cyprus on its territory is a British air base ...

Quote: Kurzhaar

Israel will thereby further increase the degree of self-hatred by the international community.

[Andrey57]

You can safely forget about Cyprus - our Air Force base will be there in speed, an agreement is already there And the fact that C-300 is easy to demolish with bombs with wings is very funny

[series]

about Cyprus like that - Yes ! but about the bombs .... ((((you can't wave them off so lightly ... the "naked" S-300 is fragile and impervious .. ((

[Geisenberg]

Quote: S-200

about Cyprus like that - Yes ! but about the bombs .... ((((you can't wave them off so lightly ... the "naked" S-300 is fragile and impervious .. ((

And where is it seen so that the 300 is naked? What kind of optoelectronic GOS which will be watching at 100 km? It should cost like F-16 ...

In the end, yes, let it be, in two years, as stated, either there will be no war, or the Israeli Air Force ..

In short, everything with this article is clear.

[Arkan]

Quote: Geisenberg

And where is it seen so that the 300 is naked? What kind of optoelectronic GOS which will be watching at 100 km?

There is a block that memorizes the coordinates of the target "flooded" before dropping, and the seeker operates on the final section of the trajectory.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Arkan

Quote: Geisenberg

And where is it seen so that the 300 is naked? What kind of optoelectronic GOS which will be watching at 100 km?

There is a block that memorizes the coordinates of the target "flooded" before dropping, and the seeker operates on the final section of the trajectory.

To shoot at coordinates it is not necessary to create a new planning bomb. HARM completely copes. Here the emphasis is placed on the optical seeker ... like she will solve all the problems.

[crazyrom]

It seems someone does not know how to count. The article clearly says that the aircraft should fly at 100km to the C-300. It will be shot down even 100km before and will never be able to fire a bomb. What other questions?

[Mairos]

So the Professor believes that F-16 from the Israeli airspace will be able to bomb with impunity. To which I wrote - that then the planes will be shot down there too.

[denson06]

Unfortunately, as the practice of the Arab-Israeli conflicts has shown, the Israeli Air Force is not "boys". Their level of technical equipment and strategy have always been at their best, we must give them their due. This is all to the fact that bullshit is not easy to sell to them. If they have adopted something for service, then it can be effectively used.
To all this, judging from the characteristics, they were looking for a solution when the coordinates of the target are poured before the reset and it does not need other guidance, tracking, highlighting the target, etc. ... you cannot mislead it with REP and EW tools ... such the bomb only needs to be detected and shot down ... and if 16 fired them immediately at the deployed C-300 and left?

[Denis]

Quote: Geisenberg

which will look at 100 km

A fly 100 km?

This smart little bomb belongs to the Spice-1000 and Spice -2000 families. Spice-250 weighs 150 kilograms, does not have an engine

Will they be dumped from Earth’s orbit, is Israel going to space?

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Denis

Quote: Geisenberg

which will look at 100 km

A fly 100 km?

This smart little bomb belongs to the Spice-1000 and Spice -2000 families. Spice-250 weighs 150 kilograms, does not have an engine

Will they be dumped from Earth’s orbit, is Israel going to space?

"Jews in Space, Hitler on Ice" (c) Mel Brooks I like this movie too ...

I’ve thought of something else: After all, a new bomb is an old bomb with only a low warhead weight. And why then the old is not suitable for the fight with C-300? In my opinion, the task is straightforward what is needed for a heavy, breathtakingly clever Jewish bomb. In general, this is a scammer, the next propaganda scammer.

[Perch_xnumx]

What kind of optoelectronic GOS which will be watching at 100 km?

Think so. A FMS system, plus an optical orientation system based on satellite imagery, may be an inertial system, but it will already be much more expensive and heavier. The inhabitants of the promised land will not say anything worthwhile - military secret.

[Airman]

Quote: S-200

about Cyprus like that - Yes ! but about the bombs .... ((((you can't wave them off so lightly ... the "naked" S-300 is fragile and impervious .. ((

The laws of aerodynamics have not yet been canceled. In order for a "bomb with wings" to fly 100 km without an engine, it must be dropped from a height of at least 10 km, and at this altitude the S-300 shoots down at a distance of more than 100 km. So do not will have time to reach the launch line, as will be shot down.

[leon-iv]

They can make a mustache and a mustache above the golan, and then finally crush the complex with a raid from the sea
I’m wondering they put Baikal to them? Then if they correctly cover it, then the war in the air will be very remarkable.

[mogus]

Is the little enough to plan a bomb? how many km?

[Airman]

Quote: leon-iv

They can make a mustache and a mustache above the golan, and then finally crush the complex with a raid from the sea
I’m wondering they put Baikal to them? Then if they correctly cover it, then the war in the air will be very remarkable.

With the cabling at what altitude can you launch a bomb at 100 km and at what speed? Do not forget that the C-300PMU2 hits.

[series]

do not forget they have their own missile defense in the form of Hetz-2,3 ... Iron dome, David Sling, Patriot ... they will also try to shoot down our missiles

[Arkan]

Quote: S-200

do not forget they have their own missile defense in the form of Hetz-2,3 ... Iron dome, David Sling, Patriot ... they will also try to shoot down our missiles

In the event of an Israeli attack, a war will most likely begin in which Iran will also enter (in any case, the old Iranian leadership has repeatedly "hinted" about this, and the new one has never refuted it ...) and "behind" Iran there is "a workers' army "China, which is able to" rivet "missiles for a partner much more than Israel can produce anti-missiles ... Yes, and assessing the capabilities of the Syrian missile forces is now very difficult - a little over a year ago, the militants managed to seize a Chinese radar that was not officially supplied to Syria by China .. ., and what else the Chinese have transferred to Syria Iran over the years, one can only guess.

[series]

I guess that Iran is supplying Syria seriously with weapons and ammunition ...

[Pimply]

China. Strong.

[Airman]

Quote: S-200

do not forget they have their own missile defense in the form of Hetz-2,3 ... Iron dome, David Sling, Patriot ... they will also try to shoot down our missiles

Look in the performance characteristics of the C-300 rocket speed, and all questions will disappear by themselves.

[Mairos]

Shooting down air defense systems of the Iron Dome type is a fairy tale. It is not intended for this and is incapable of it.

[vikontas56]

Take into account the speed of the carrier aircraft - approximately 2400 km / h. = 40km / min. At this speed, a dropped bomb will fly 120 km in 3 min. Free fall speed 9,8 m / s. = 588 m / min. This means to fly 120 km. it’s enough to drop the bomb from a height of 1800 m. And this is without planning. But here you can easily fool the homing head, it’s enough to install a plywood copy with a radiating microwave next to the real air defense system, and disguise the real air defense system as a building or make its image different from what is wired into homing head!

[Do not care]

Take a look at the physics textbook. You have a dimension error.
not 9,8 m / s but 9,8 m / s ^ 2 and not speed but acceleration of gravity in vacuum.
Therefore, all your calculations are not correct.

[series]

1. This image is not "hardwired"
2. A pilot can quickly redirect. It means:
a) .Aircraft optical guidance system with an interface for transmitting information to the UAB.
b). Since the OED (optical-electric device of the autotr. tracking the "tailbone" of the bomb and transmitting information to it) is located in the lower plane of the glider, the plane should be "slightly higher-behind" at a distance (depending on transparency of the atmosphere for the optical wavelength and power of the onboard transmitter (optical emitter)
3. The pilot designates (promptly) the pilot. This means that it doesn’t matter what: a barn, a building, a stand alone harvester in a field (with a drunk machine operator on the roof))), a bunker in the form of a dune (or a ground squirrel) ... or petrified pile of mammoth shit (lonely towering in the middle of the desert)
But a smoke (aerosol) curtain can complicate guidance and correction
4. The counteraction to this miracle bomb is standard with elements of creativity applicable to a specific area.

[comintern1]

PABs are not reset at supersonic speeds. At 2400 speed, the wings break off. She has a planning speed of 200-300 km / h. PAB - this weapon is effective against the Zulus - cheap and cheerful and immediately a lot, the bulk is concentrated in the warhead. To combat PAB and other air-to-surface missiles, there are Carapace, Tor-M2, Goalkeeper, Falanks, etc.

[self-propelled]

Quote: S-200

(you can't dismiss them so lightly ... the "naked" S-300 is fragile and impervious

Well, the S-300 should not be naked (that is, remain without cover, for example, the same Pantsir-C1 or Tor-M2. This is called an echeloned air defense system)

[Zabvo]

Don't you remember that there are actually "Pantsiri-C1" there ...

[Kirgudum]

These and similar bombs can also be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea (the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km) and not necessarily by Israel

- Russia has enough missiles at its disposal, for the launch of which it is not necessary to enter the airspace of Israel, and which the air defense and missile defense of Israel are powerless to intercept - for example, the Iskander.
As long as the US protects you, you can post this " "smiley.
And when the United States is not up to you, then, having learned about what your recent allies and neutrals in the Middle East have done to you, we will post it.

[Professor]

Quote: Kirgudum

Russia has enough missiles at its disposal that it is not necessary to enter Israeli airspace to launch them, and which Israel's air defense and missile defense systems are powerless to intercept - for example, the Iskander.

With warhead in 480 kg? You already immediately frighten the Poplars.

[Kirgudum]

Why do you think that a megaton warhead is required to destroy, say, a battery of missiles on your Rusty Kumpol? And hundreds of kilograms of TNT, detonated twenty meters from the installation (the Iskander KVO, as far as I remember, is exactly this), will be more than enough - and the Iskander missiles have almost five times more. Or do you have anti-missiles hidden in underground bunkers?
And the explosion of such a thing worth hundreds of thousands next to an airplane worth tens of millions of dollars of health obviously will not add to it)
So don't worry - you have many targets for our Iskander!

[Pimply]

Did Russia enter the war with Israel?

[mogus]

No, and we are not going to anybody ... But the noise is fucking

[gribnik777]

Quote: professor

the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km

What height should this bomb be dropped to fly without the 100 km engine?
But what, for C-300 to shoot down the carrier of these same bombs is a problem?

[Professor]

Quote: gribnik777

But what, for C-300 to shoot down the carrier of these same bombs is a problem?

I repeat, there is no problem in the steppes of Kherson, but over the Mediterranean Sea when C-300 covers Damascus is a very big problem.

[Corsair]

Quote: professor

I repeat in the steppes of Kherson region is not a problemand over the Mediterranean Sea when C-300 covers Damascus is a very big problem.

Professor! Are you already sharpening your teeth on "NENKA"?

[gribnik777]

Quote: professor

I repeat, there is no problem in the steppes of Kherson, but over the Mediterranean Sea when C-300 covers Damascus is a very big problem.

Your self-confidence will destroy you.

[series]

How can the Mediterranean Sea complicate the SO work of the S-300? High wave, salinity or are your aircraft equipped with marine "stealth ground" ??

[Arkan]

Quote: S-200

How can the Mediterranean Sea complicate the SO work of the S-300? High wave, salinity, or are your aircraft equipped with marine "stealth ground" ?? belay

Yes, the fact of the matter is that they want to go to the coordinates of the reset and attack based on the fact that in their airspace (or neutral) the Syrians will not fire at them because ... are optimists.

[Airman]

Quote: Arkan

Quote: S-200

How can the Mediterranean Sea complicate the SO work of the S-300? High wave, salinity, or are your aircraft equipped with marine "stealth ground" ?? belay

Yes, the fact of the matter is that they want to go to the coordinates of the reset and attack based on the fact that in their airspace (or neutral) the Syrians will not fire at them because ... are optimists.

During hostilities, no flight zone and all aircraft are declared

unanswered - goals, and go astray according to the laws of war, that is, when entering the affected area.

[series]

Quote: Povshnik

about the time of hostilities declared without a flight zone and all planes

unanswered - goals, and go astray according to the laws of war, that is, when entering the affected area.

It's like that !
BUT, the tactics of the Israeli reconnaissance and strike aircraft are of the nature of single raids ... Scouted - struck a small group, while the reconnaissance plane (and ground-based units) on the territory of Israel or neutral records the operation of the air defense district. Therefore, for the detection and destruction of the C-300 (air strike) they will operate secretly, in single planes without deploying large-scale military operations.

[Arkan]

Quote: S-200

.Israel or neutral captures the operation of an air defense district. Therefore, to detect and destroy C-300 (airstrike) will act covertly

It is possible that they will be able to destroy something (and this may be tricks), but after that - everything that is Jewish in the sky will be dismantled in the air.

Quote: S-200

without the deployment of large-scale hostilities.

After such a provocation, this will no longer be decided in Israel ...

[atalef]

Quote: Arkan

It is possible that they will be able to destroy something (and this may be tricks), but after that - everything that is Jewish in the sky will be dismantled in the air.

Than destroyed. Believe me, in the event of a first strike from air defense, there will be nothing left. Before that they flew quietly, you think with the advent of c-300 everything will change dramatically. 3 of the year before the delivery of the Shell and Bukov - Putin said

We’ll put up weapons so that it wouldn’t be fluttering over Assad’s palace

So what has changed?

Quote: Arkan

After such a provocation, this will no longer be decided in Israel.

And where ?
After the last bombardment, Russia did not even condemn, it expressed concern. Understands after all - not the last time.

[Arkan]

Quote: atalef

After the last bombardment, Russia did not even condemn, it expressed concern.

In the fact that Russia turned from useless words to the point, do you see its weakness? Well, well ...

[skeptic]

Quote: professor

Quote: Kurzhaar
An attempt by the Israelis to bomb any target on the territory of Syria essentially means an act of aggression.

These and similar bombs can also be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea (the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km) and not necessarily by Israel. On the island of Cyprus on its territory is a British air base ...

Well, that's nice, now about C-300, you can relax. She, for you, is no longer dangerous. And then the destabilization in the Middle East ... still straight.

Or ..?

[poquello]

"These and similar bombs can be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea (the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km) and not necessarily Israel. A British airbase is located on the island of Cyprus ..."

Do you think the gunners are good in Russia?
And the second question, if you updated the electronics in crap thirty years ago, is this new?
Or a novelty is a way of its political application, because even a vigorous car can unknown to fly from.

[chaushevski]

Jews seem to have you

[Mairos]

Professor, does this approach mean that if a missile is launched into Israel from the Mediterranean Sea, it will not be an act of aggression by a particular country against Israel? Or do you think that it is impossible to determine whose plane will drop such a rocket bomb? This can lead to the fact that they will start shooting down all the planes - potential carriers of the "air to ground" weapon by the very fact of their takeoff? Or is it only Israel that can endlessly cheat and be unpunished?
Strictly speaking, I greatly respect both Israel and its army - for so many years to be in a hostile environment, while winning and developing .. this is worthy of respect. But here's the duplicity .. ugh. Even idiots understand that the recent airstrikes on military depots in Syria were inflicted by Israel, but the entire "world community" pretends that this is unknown. But you can mow down others as fools, it's elementary.

[Professor]

Quote: Mairos

Or can Israel only endlessly be cunning and go unpunished?

I understand that you are not interested in a serious conversation, and here you decided to do verbiage ...

Quote: Mairos

Even idiots understand that the recent airstrikes on military depots in Syria were inflicted by Israel, but the entire "world community" pretends that this is unknown.

Thank you for not including me among these idiots. Until evidence is presented or Israel itself is recognized, the bombing must be considered anonymous. Maybe it was the British Air Force from its territory in Cyprus? Maybe the Turks got even for Phant or the Hornets of the 6 fleet of the USA carried out reconnaissance in battle?

[Mairos]

You ought to be a lawyer - crime bosses otmazyvayut in the style of "Everyone knows that my client is a respected businessman and philanthropist .. etc." But the fact that everyone knows that he is a bandit and a crime boss must be proven. De jure you are right - nothing has been proven, but de facto .. and the hedgehog understands that it is not the British or the Americans, but the Israelis who struck a blow.

[Alex777]

This whole tops are targets for the Shell. Very comfortable.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Quote: professor

Quote: Kurzhaar

An attempt by the Israelis to bomb any target on the territory of Syria essentially means an act of aggression.

These and similar bombs can also be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea (the distance to the center of Damascus is less than 90 km) and not necessarily by Israel. On the island of Cyprus on its territory is a British air base ...

Quote: Kurzhaar

Israel will thereby further increase the degree of self-hatred by the international community.

When rockets start falling on your head, it will be no laughing matter.

[domokl]

Quote: Kurzhaar

An attempt by the Israelis to bomb any target on the territory of Syria essentially means an act of aggression.

I respect your dog’s breed as an excellent hunter, but let me remind you, Israel has already launched an air strike against Syria. Even a year has not passed before this happened. And what? Who is outraged? The UN? Russia? USA?
We sat, talked, threatened with a finger and that’s all ... Once upon a time, in street fights, as a kid, I clarified a simple truth-If you started pestering, Bay first. A good blow, with blood from all the holes in the face, will cool some, and the rest just stay less.

[Hug]

Quote: Kurzhaar
Israel will thereby further increase the degree of self-hatred by the international community.




There is no need to identify oneself and one's own kind (Arabian countries, Erdogan, Ahmadinejad and other "progressive" political figures) with the international community

[slava7075]

The bomb still needs to be hit. But the attempt to destroy will already be equated, as you said, with an act of aggression. And as Israeli diplomats said, C-300 can shoot down planes after they take off. But I think all this is just a war of nerves no more. And given the recent gestures of the Russian Federation in the Mediterranean, the situation for Jews is even more complicated.

[Pimply]

Syria and Israel have an unfinished military conflict that is not regulated by a peace treaty.

[chunga-changa]

So they bombed many times, the last time on 5 in May, and what, well, except of course the degree of hatred.

[DeFalco]

Israel has repeatedly attacked, attacks and will attack targets in the SAR that it considers hostile to itself. And the Syrians can't do anything about it. Do not declare war on Israel.

[domokl]

Quote: tronin.maxim

s-300 sees even small objects and it doesn’t matter whether they plan or fly.

The question is not even whether the launcher will see the bomb ... The question is different, the very first use of such ammunition will lead to the airspace of a neighboring state becoming a battlefield. Airplanes will be shot down at distances greater than the radius of action.
This article is pure advertising. I don’t know who it is for, only planning in 100 km makes the bomb an excellent target for other, much cheaper systems. Grandmas can count in the West. Spend a lot of money on completely useless (in wars with a really strong opponent, with Arabs or Asians) is stupid.

[atalef]

Quote: domokl

.. The question is different, the very first use of such ammunition will lead to the fact that the airspace of a neighboring state will become a battlefield. Aircraft will be shot down at distances greater than the radius of action.

Than to stray. it is clear that the first strike will be against air defense (and c-300 (not yet located in Syria), and if so, how many complexes -4 (re). The first will come at best at the beginning of 2014. and the rest will be 3 ? When?
Speaking of the effectiveness of the rest of the air defense with Buki (like the modernized Byelorussians in 2011-12, etc. - I heard a lot.) According to the results of 3 attacks, its effectiveness is not just 0, but goes into minus.
c-300, by the way, in battle, no one has yet seen the same thing (unlike the vaunted Buk, who successfully failed everything that was possible.)

Quote: domokl

I don’t know who it is intended for, only planning in 100 km makes the bomb an excellent target for other, much cheaper systems

Shamanov also saw beautiful targets (even visually) - UAVs flying in Georgia - there was nothing to bring down. With bombs it will be more complicated, There will be a lot of them, at least, and the speed will be more.

Quote: domokl

Spending a lot of money on a completely useless (in wars with a really strong opponent, not with Arabs or Asians) is stupid.

The praised Arabs are the weapons of the USSR-Russia, or is there something else there?

[domokl]

Quote: atalef

The praised Arabs are the weapons of the USSR-Russia, or is there something else there?

Until today, no one could say that I am not tolerant, but alas ... just become. Arabs are weapons of the USSR, well then let's be honest, Jews are weapons of the United States. Not more than that. And the state itself lives only because in a pose facing an overseas brother ...

Quote: atalef

Shamanov also saw beautiful targets (even visually) - UAVs flying in Georgia - there was nothing to bring down.

Oh, how many times we heard and hear it. There is something to bring down. There was simply no command.

Quote: atalef

c-300 by the way in battle, no one has seen the same (

In order to judge the effectiveness of weapons, it is absolutely not necessary to fight. Strategic nuclear weapons were also not really used, however, I hope you have no desire to test them in your own country?

[atalef]

Quote: domokl

Until today, no one could say that I am not tolerant, but alas ... just become. Arabs are weapons of the USSR, well then let's be honest, Jews are weapons of the United States. Not more than that

More, Alexander, more, Israel is firmly in the 5-ke as the largest arms manufacturer in the world and everything that is shown in Le Bourget, and not only that, is our development. You already know that, but even if the part of the weapon and the staff is important, the result is important, is not it?

Quote: domokl

And the state itself lives only because it stands in front of its overseas brother.

There are different poses you know.

Quote: domokl

Oh, how many times we heard and hear it. There is something to bring down. There was simply no command.

In about Syria, I heard the same thing. they would be hit. JUST A TEAM WASN’T

Quote: domokl

In order to judge the effectiveness of weapons, it is absolutely not necessary to fight

I agree, just Buki, Armor - which in Syria and for a long time, how would you rate their combat use? You don’t need to fight, of course - it’s easier just to shoot grandmothers and keep them in warehouses, so what?

Quote: domokl

. Strategic nuclear weapons were not really used either, however, I hope you have no desire to test them in your own country?

Alexander . you are an adequate person. Well, why go down to baby talk. Israel (according to foreign sources 0 has more than 300 nuclear charges. Why then use letters to measure it, and all the allegations that Syria, Iran or Egypt will erase Israel into powder. - Have you forgotten about nuclear weapons?

[domokl]

Quote: atalef

Alexander . you are an adequate person. Well, why go down to baby talk. Israel (according to foreign sources 0 has more than 300 nuclear charges

What do I have to do with the number of charges? Israel will not use it, just because it's scary. Yes, and we with the United States too ... Why?
The remaining arguments are also emotions and the fruit of a good ideological treatment. What was modern Syria’s armament to its current supplies can be called modern only with a big stretch. Now the situation is changing not in your favor.
Moreover, if you notice, our attitude towards Israel has changed dramatically. Even though ... There are a quarter of our former people ... as Vysotsky sang, we perfectly remember what a real war of all against all is and how much it will be cost human lives. but you (despite the fact that most of you probably saw the corpses of those killed) have an American attitude towards war. Like a computer game.

[atalef]

Quote: domokl

What do I have to do with the number of charges? Israel will not use it, simply because it's scary.

And Russia means it will be (in Israel, as many hint 0 because there is nothing to fear

Quote: domokl

What was modern Syria’s armament before its current deliveries can be called modern only with a big stretch. Now the situation is changing not in your favor.

Honor what weapons all Syria and Egypt had before all the wars - everything was much more in our favor, both qualitatively and quantitatively. And to be honest. I don’t see any qualitative superiority of Russian weapons (delivered to Syria 0 over ours. Or do you think that it does not exist to win the c-300 war? s-300 wunderwafer, superweapon, indestructible m, unsupported, etc.?

Quote: domokl

Moreover, if you notice, our attitude towards Israel has changed dramatically.

Strange by the number of tourists (16% more than last year) this was not affected. As for the turnover, and so on? Or maybe because after the last bombardment Russia expressed only regret. Indeed - the attitude has only improved. What do you mean, expand the answer

Quote: domokl

, we perfectly remember what a real war of all against all is and how much it will cost human lives

You forgot this a long time ago and you personally (unlike me) have never seen (I hope I'm not mistaken) nor the Grad falling in 100. neither Hurricanes in 1-1.5 km nor blown up buses nor 15 sirens per day. Don't learn to live

Quote: domokl

American attitude to war

Alexander. probably the attitude of Americans to the war, you know by reading the press and watching television in the AMERICAN language.

[Papakiko]

Quote: atalef

You forgot this a long time ago and you personally (unlike me) have never seen (I hope I'm not mistaken) nor the Grad falling in 100. neither Hurricanes in 1-1.5 km nor blown up buses nor 15 sirens per day. Don't learn to live

Why do you teach others to live?
Be a more peaceful nation-country and do not need all these wonderful tastes.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: atalef

You forgot this a long time ago and you personally (unlike me) have never seen (I hope I'm not mistaken) nor the Grad falling in 100. neither Hurricanes in 1-1.5 km nor blown up buses nor 15 sirens per day. Don't learn to live

Shells from a hurricane?))))

[atalef]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Hurricane shells?

Where are the shells mentioned?

[kapitan281271]

Sorry, I'm certainly not an expert, but about the quality of Russian weapons, you are bent. Beech tori and the rest are so far only the only complexes in the world that have shot down the F-117. Now for the unrequited raids by Israel on objects in Syria. The strikes were carried out from the depths of the territory of Israel, and perhaps I emphasize that perhaps the operators saw flares on the radar eras, but to use weapons on targets in the territory of another state, for this it is necessary to have extra permission, especially in such a tense situation. Now what I agree with. Our guys again want to slip between ****** and it doesn’t happen either or you help Ased or not. Some excellent complexes are not able to stop a well-prepared air strike, for this we need the entire air defense complex and not half measures that will serve as a result of the C-300 anti-advertising (the complexes will be destroyed no doubt). I am surprised by something else politicians around the world do not care about us and you, but you are an ordinary resident of Israel, do not you understand Ased yours and our last hope if hezbal is dumped and the others seem like a child's party, now half of the freaks in the world who are at war thinks that they are at war with Israel. If that is not so read your koment and specially zaregalsya online and the error is also

[atalef]

Quote: kapitan281271

Blows were carried from the depths of the territory of Israel

Private should not be your corporal. Learn the mat part. In the 4th bombardment (according to the Syrians), a blow was struck from the territory of Lebanon (if it can be considered a state at all, and not the estate of Syria), but what about the three previous ones?

Quote: kapitan281271

oh you ordinary resident of Israel do not you understand your Assad and our last hope

I don’t know and don’t understand what your last hope is, but certainly not ours.

[series]

F-117 shot down an old C-125, there is an optical guidance channel, which does not care about "invisibility" in the radio range

[Pimply]

Remember how many C-125 had to try on? And nothing would have happened if it were not for the stereotyped actions of NATO aviation.

[series]

The stereotypical nature of NATO aviation is spelled out in textbooks ... Tactical techniques "do not change from the bulldozer. Therefore, it is necessary to" collect statistics "and" work out recommendations "..

[Xnumx kopeek]

- offset -
iz.tekhnika only for domestic showdowns, as well as Amer. Pidrioti - / - and still not tired of hanging noodles? the same predictable - And the power of Ross. technology soon learn Jewish propaganda

[Xnumx kopeek]

- offset -
iz.tekhnika only for domestic showdowns, as well as Amer. Pidrioti - / - and still not tired of hanging noodles? the same predictable - And the power of Ross. technology soon learn Jewish propaganda

[Pimply]

Argument, plz

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

I agree, just Buki, Armor - which in Syria and for a long time, how would you rate their combat use?

Personally, I evaluate the actions of Israel as vile GMOs in other words ...
To knock on the keyboard with the words about "Buki" and other air defense that missed the Israeli strike .... you are silent under what circumstances this was done.
1. The country is essentially fighting an internal war with an adversary who has no state and borders and who has no aviation
2. The blow you struck was essentially in the back and the last one also on Easter night
3. The blow you struck without crossing the borders of a country which, although it does not have a peace treaty with you, does not wage an open war. and if (suppose) the plane were shot down outside Syria, you would be the first to wring your hands with the words the bloody regime shot down our pigeon who did not think to attack and did not cross the border at all .. this is your standard two-faced position.

[atalef]

Quote: Scoun

2. The blow you struck was essentially in the back and the last one also on Easter night

This is of course significant when the Jews bomb Muslims.

Quote: Scoun

3. You struck without crossing the border

Enough of fairy tales, the reactor was bombed - when there was no war in Syria. whether or not they entered - it’s fairy tales or stupidity, you just don’t know the distance to BV, and I repeat it was 4 times. It’s enough to deliver the entire air defense if there is no count, then just zero.

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

Enough of fairy tales, Reactor bombed

Well, in general, I'm not talking about the reactor about the winter and spring bombing
I heard the bombing of the reactor with my ear and don’t know the details I didn’t hear (but I’ll google it) because I was busy with completely different problems (((

Quote: atalef

It’s enough to deliver the entire air defense if there is no count, then just zero.

And I think no one will deny this .. if these are calculations of such training to zero like "rocketman does not understand Arabic" this is one thing .. but maybe as in the case of an airplane on Red Square .. everyone saw everyone was accompanied by the current responsibility no one wanted to take ...
What the Syrians were guided by, I don’t know .. either the hands of a scrabble or deliberately didn’t want to aggravate, given that before that they tried to resolve the issue peacefully. (post below).

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

Enough of fairy tales, the reactor was bombed - when there was no war in Syria. logged in or not

um what did you find
http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2007/10/29/iran-RF-makam/print

"Cursor" has already reported that one of the first versions of the explanation for the Israeli raid into Syria was a check on the possibility of jamming Russian and Iranian radar stations stationed there, in particular, part of the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems.

Aviation Week wrote that before Israeli planes invaded Syrian airspace, Syrian air defense radars were temporarily blinded by an ultra-modern electron gun. Senior Air Force officers and e-warfare specialists told the weekly editor David Pulham that the Israelis were using, obviously, a system for electronic suppression of enemy radars, identical to the American "Sotar" system, which has been successfully tested in Afghanistan and Iraq.

there is such a version

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3467106,00.html

There was no air defense system around the attacked object.

there is such
Syrian intelligence general arrested for espionage
publication time: 09: 34
last update: 09: 51
http://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/13feb2008/gener308.html

According to the website debka.co.il, 50-year-old Syrian general Labid Salame, who commanded the 225 unit (radio-electronic intelligence of the Syrian army), was removed from his post and taken into custody.

According to debka.co.il, the reason for the arrest of Salama, one of the highest-ranking officers of the Syrian army, was an attack on the Syrian nuclear facility by Israel in September 2007, during which Israeli aircraft managed to quietly escape from Syrian radars.

Why convince so?

Israel persuaded the US not to publish data on the bombing of Syria
publication time: 10: 44
last update: 10: 44
http://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/13apr2008/usa_isr8008.html

lastly .. which of the tales to believe? give your version?

Israel did not know that it was bombing
-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------



03.02 23: 18 MIGnews.com

Israel did not have a clear idea of ​​the purpose of the Syrian military facility, which became the target of the IDF in September last year.

This conclusion was made by The New-Yorker reporter, Pulitzer Prize winner, Seymour Hersh.

In an article to be published next week, Hersh claims that Israel made the decision to attack before the exact target was determined.

Speaking with a comment on CNN, Hersh said the main target of the attack was to warn Iran. He added that this could explain the total silence of all parties involved in the incident.

I repeat, at that time I was busy with affairs far from the world, so to speak ... if I share the information I would be grateful.

[atalef]

Quote: Scoun

Why convince so?

Israel (if you notice) never comments on its operations and asks not to comment on others (primarily the United States and other friendly countries)

Quote: Scoun

Israel did not have a clear idea of ​​the purpose of the Syrian military facility, which became the target of the IDF in September last year.

This conclusion was made by The New-Yorker reporter, Pulitzer Prize winner, Seymour Hersh.

I don’t know where he dug it from, but what about the news. to the press and subsequent reports - there was no doubt

Quote: Scoun

Speaking with a comment on CNN, Hersh said the main target of the attack was to warn Iran. He added that this could explain the total silence of all parties involved in the incident.

Syria was silently understandable why. because despite the fact that the military at the site of the reactor tore up everything (including the soil layer), the IAEA inspectors vseravno found there the remains of plutonium
But Israel never confirms or refutes, therefore even our commentators in the news say, according to foreign sources.

[Swag]

I’m tired of reading you, I’ll just ask you, what is so much noise because of the supplies of c-300 to Syria, since you are all right, why are you worried? Anyway, there are doubts, are there ...?

[SSR]

Judging by the post below ..

Quote: Swag

All the same, there are doubts, there are ...?

for it turns out Israel is clearly violating the ceasefire .. and the provocative shelling by the militants may qualify as a violation of the treaty by Syria.

Quote: atalef

in a state of ceasefire

I hope the Base will appear in Cyprus .. + I hope Snowden is the second swallow ....

[atalef]

Quote: Scoun

The blow you struck without crossing the borders of a country which, although it does not have a peace treaty with you, does not wage an open war.

With Lebanon and Syria, we are in a state of ceasefire, this is not only not a peace treaty, it is not even a truce.

[Jin]

Quote: atalef

More, Alexander, more, Israel is firmly in the 5-ke as the largest arms manufacturer in the world and everything that is shown in Le Bourget, and not only that, is our development.

And the Su-35S is your development? It's a deal then! Enter the top 5 is commendable, who tells you otherwise? And Russia comes out on the 2nd place in the world in arms sales, this has not happened since the times of the USSR. We are 20 years old, all sorts of "headheads", including our own, tried to step on the chest, of course in many areas we "sagged", this is not for long, it has been proven for centuries ...

[atalef]

Quote: Jin

And Su-35 with your development?

And this is to do with it.

Quote: Jin

Come in 5-it is commendable, who tells you the opposite?

Then someone is strenuously proving. that all weapons in Israel are American.

Quote: Jin

We are 20 years old, all sorts of "headheads", including our own, tried to step on the chest, of course in many areas we "sagged", this is not for long, it has been proven for centuries ...

Yes, it has to do with it. It seems that Israel is competing with Russia.

[Jin]

Quote: atalef

What does it have to do with

You say that EVERYTHING shown at Le Bourget is your development, well, here I may not quite understand the context ...

Quote: atalef

Then someone is strenuously proving. that all weapons in Israel are American.

Well, of course, this is from not knowing the mat part, but maybe they didn’t put it quite exactly as they wanted

Quote: atalef

Yes, it has to do with it. It seems that Israel is competing with Russia.

I mean that in your comments, zero ratings of the work of our Shells, that's why "hooked" ... I completely disagree with this, my post is about this below.

[Pimply]

He meant - at Israeli stands

[beard999]

Quote: atalef

Buki, Armor - which are in Syria for a long time, how do you rate their combat use

And in Syria there was a “combat use” of Bukov and Shell? Ready to present evidence?
As for the combat effectiveness of Syrian air defense. Here, for example, is the British opinion on this subject: “The British Air Force risks losing up to 50% of the fighters that will participate in the operation” http://telegrafist.org/2013/06/18/65859/.

[atalef]

Quote: beard999

And in Syria there was a “combat use” of Bukov and Shell? Ready to present evidence?

So I say that it was not. They stood dead weight, but they must somehow react to the aircraft of the adversaries.

Quote: beard999

As for the combat effectiveness of Syrian air defense. Here, for example, is the British opinion on this subject: “The British Air Force risks losing up to 50% of the fighters that will participate in the operation”

Yes, to hell with these British. they risk losing 50%. and we take risks and do not lose. Now the question is, do Syrians dislike Britons and love Jews? I do not believe.

[beard999]

Quote: atalef

They stood dead weight, but they must somehow react to the aircraft of the adversaries

Well, why did you get the idea that the objects of Israeli airstrikes were covered by Buk air defense systems or Pantsir air defense systems? Even at Buk-M2E, the radius of the affected area is less than 50 km. These complexes control far from all of Syria. In addition, do not forget that part of the country's territory is under the control of militants, and air defense systems can not be relocated to all areas. And those who plan such airstrikes in Israel are not complete nerds. Surely they knew that there was no serious cover in the areas of attack. Moreover, everything is so close there that part of the air strikes Israel generally inflicts from its territory http://ria.ru/world/20130504/935803488-print.html.

Quote: atalef

and to hell with these British. they risk losing 50%. and we take risks and do not lose

Do not lose solely because you did not work. The British then talk about losses (50%) during full-scale hostilities, and not about your pinpricks, when not a large group of planes bomb one object and immediately roll back.

Quote: atalef

Do Syrians dislike Britons and love Jews? I do not believe.

Your cheap show-offs do not completely cancel the fact that, as soon as it became known about the implementation of the C-300 contract, Netanyahu, as a scalded one, rushed to Moscow to beg Putin not to deliver them, under the pretext that this would upset the "balance of power in the Middle East" . Apparently your prime minister, unlike you, does not take this matter lightly.

[Denis]

Quote: beard999

as soon as it became known about the implementation of the C-300 contract, Netanyahu, as scalded, rushed to Moscow to beg Putin not to deliver them, under the pretext that this would upset the "balance of power in the Middle East."

Huge cunning. Air defense is still a means of defense, which can not be said about this extolled bomb
An interesting balance is obtained

[series]

Why do you think that we have no opportunity to deliver our "old" modernized S-300 to Syria ??? Can you guess how many of them have remained in Russia since the Soviet Union?

[atalef]

Quote: S-200

Why do you think that we have no opportunity to deliver our "old" modernized S-300 to Syria ??? Can you guess how many of them have remained in Russia since the Soviet Union?

Of course, I understand that it sounds cool, only export and for own aircraft with-300 are very different. I'm not talking about a friend or foe system. staff training, etc. etc. Even in the details too lazy to climb. Russia can supply soy X-NUMX only with its own combat calculations - = which will not be clear.

[series]

The S-300 was originally built on a modular basis, if that tells you something ... Therefore, replacing several blocks to an "export" or modernized version does not present technical problems.

[Denis]

Quote: atalef

Russia can supply soya-300 soybeans only with its own combat calculations - = which will not be clear

How to know, how to know ...
In the post-Soviet space, there are enough soldiers left out of work, some of whom served in air defense

[DEfindER]

Quote: atalef

According to the results of 3's strikes, its effectiveness is not just 0, but goes into minus. S-300, by the way, no one has seen the same thing in battle so far

Well, like Israel used when striking Syria, just bombs without engines, which for beech trees are not an achievable goal, they need to be knocked down by tori. Or PZRK, but first you need a powerful radar to detect such small objects, without it Syria will be difficult to defend, because enemy aircraft will not enter its space at all.

[atalef]

Quote: DEfindER

Well, like Israel used when striking Syria, just bombs without engines

Does it matter ?

Quote: DEfindER

that for beech trees is not an achievable goal, they need to be knocked down by tori which

Well, firstly, it seems as it is. and secondly, in general, the art of war - how is it? Use weapons that are shot down or what is still different. Or make an air defense that does not knock anything down?

Quote: DEfindER

but first you need a powerful radar to detect such small objects, without it Syria will be difficult to defend, because enemy aircraft will not enter its space at all

Read info about Syrian air defense. its radars block the territory of Israel 10 times.

[Vlad_Mir]

I never thought that the Jews were so warlike! You simply choke with foam from aggression! Strange somehow! It seems that you own Russian!

[Perch_xnumx]

Read info about Syrian air defense. its radars block the territory of Israel 10 times.

So are we still dealing with an expert? The question is, that bandits do not count everywhere, and in this connection, in what condition are the radars and air defenses, how outdated are the radars, how much do they meet the requirements of working in the conditions of a reb?
Best defense is attack. In this regard, it would be nice to launch Iskander-e into a large-scale series, and saturate the relevant regions.
But after all, the Israeli premieres immediately jump like loaches in a pan, they will be pulled by the wedges of the delegation to Moscow. They refused to Iran and what did they get in the end? Yes, nothing to Russia as they spat and spit. So what's the point of caving in under Israel, for altruism, the friendship of peoples, and the fact that there are many immigrants - so they seem to be no longer friends to us and wanted to spit on us and what they are doing to us.

[DEfindER]

Quote: atalef

and secondly, in general, the art of war - how is it?

The highest art of war is to prevent it altogether, in which you are still very weak!

Quote: atalef

Read info about Syrian air defense. its radars block the territory of Israel 10 times.

Syria now has radars the year before last, I talked about the need for modern detection systems ..

[Scoun]

Quote: DEfindER

because enemy aircraft will not enter its space at all.

Well, then you need to hit the very territory of the aggressor, for example, "Tochka" -mi in response to airbases .. (impunity perverts more and more).

[sasha127]

Scouh. Rightly said, to the point.

[Kirgudum]

Shamanov also saw beautiful targets (even visually) - UAVs flying in Georgia - there was nothing to bring down

- this Shamanov was given to you. Do you seriously believe that Russia was not armed with the means to shoot down your drones? Or was it only the 58 Army on the march?

there was nothing to bring down

- What, really, really nothing? But what about this:
?

[Professor]

Quote: Kirgudum

this Shaman was given to you. Do you seriously believe that Russia was not armed with the means to shoot down your drones? Or was it only the 58 Army on the march?

Respect to General Shamanov, as well as to everyone who sniffed gunpowder, and not only tapped the clave. He complained about UAVs in Abkhazia and the 58-I army and the march had nothing to do with it.

[pavelfi]

prof, you would also want to answer the question-why is Israel to overthrow Assad, it’s not logical, is it better a bunch of bandits

[Arkan]

Quote: pavelfi

prof, you would also want to answer the question-why is Israel to overthrow Assad, it’s not logical, is it better a bunch of bandits

I think there are several reasons: 1) Israel will receive a substantial jackpot for assistance in promoting Qatari gas to Europe; 2) "Dismantling" of Syria will always remove the issue of Israeli-occupied territories from the agenda; 3) Will secure Israel's technological superiority in the region; 4) After the change of power in Syria, Qatar and Saudi Arabia will no longer need some "freedom fighters" - their funding will stop, they will be declared terrorists and become easy prey for the TsKHAL with another seizure of territory for the "buffer zone" ...

[Professor]

Quote: pavelfi

prof, you would also want to answer the question-why is Israel to overthrow Assad, it’s not logical, is it better a bunch of bandits

Israel has not yet decided whether it is worth it to overthrow Assad and maintains neutrality.

[Perch_xnumx]

Speaking of the effectiveness of the rest of the air defense with Buki (like the modernized Byelorussians in 2011-12, etc. - I heard a lot.) According to the results of 3 attacks, its effectiveness is not just 0, but goes into minus.
c-300, by the way, in battle, no one has yet seen the same thing (unlike the vaunted Buk, who successfully failed everything that was possible.)

Cool Israeli experts are touched. In order for air defense to work efficiently, it must be effectively saturated, in all directions. The attack aircraft cannot get a BUK, all the more escaped, for example, from a breach in the air defense zone. Air defense, by the way, is active means like interceptors.
And how would a similar American or Israeli railway station work? in case it was smeared with a thin layer over the area.
And another question is how would a Hezbollah use air-to-air missiles from beech or s-300 to strike at Israel?

[atalef]

Quote: Perch_1

Cool Israeli experts are touched. In order for the air defense to work

You touch me even more. for . for the air defense to work. it should work. those. Destroy enemy aircraft. the rest is nonsense. I do not need the reasons why they did not bring down. the fact itself is sufficient for me. that 4 times Israel bombed in Syria without losses and without problems. The rest. you can wave your fists as much as you like after a fight.

[Perch_xnumx]

it should work. those. Destroy enemy aircraft. the rest is nonsense.

And on this basis, you started complexes that you put in Syria. The fact that they put it is not even half measures, it is a drop in the ocean.
No one knows what your iron dome really is. What besides flying scrap he came across.

[atalef]

Quote: Perch_1

And on this basis, you started complexes that you put in Syria

Well no . in parades, they apparently look good. but howls in a real battle, as it’s not very, or rather not at all

Quote: Perch_1

The fact that they put it is not even half measures, it is a drop in the ocean.

Check out
In Syria’s air defense they serve more than in the Air Force and Navy combined — air defense — 60t and only a third of all ground forces (200t)

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D1%91%D0%BD%D0
%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8#.D0.9F.D
0.92.D0.9E_.D0.A1.D0.B8.D1.80.D0.B8.D0.B8

[Corneli]

Quote: atalef

Well no . in parades, they apparently look good. but howls in a real battle, as it’s not very, or rather not at all

I, personally, did not understand at all why you, Atalef, stuck to the shells and beeches ... During the raid on the reactor, in 2007, there were NOT AT ALL IN SYRIA!) And right now I will not say that there are too many 28 beeches (all ), yes 36 shells ... for the whole country ... Plus, their range of action is medium and small, and your Air Force most likely fired outside their range (at least of the shell), if you recall recent events ... forget about the "reactor", do not disgrace)

[Bekzat]

For Atalef, there is another system, "Pantsir", no one knows the exact number, but about 40-46 pieces, I think, "Armor" will be able to cover the S-300, and the "Buki" too.

[Andrey57]

The Arabs once demonstrated in Abu Dhabi in the cabin how our short-range air defense system knocked out a single hail projectile from a turn of 180 degrees, a very nice sight, moreover, it was fired in half a kilometer, the complex turned around and dropped the shell, and a piece flew off from the blank big, so they hit it too. A bomb with wings is definitely not a question, and you can shoot at them from C-300, if you are not friends with your head at all

[atalef]

Quote: Andrey57

The Arabs once demonstrated in Abu Dhabi at the salon how our short-range air defense system shot down an od hail from a turn of 180 degrees, a very pretty sight,

Drop the link, please.

[Suvorov000]

One thing that makes me know is that you speak so violently and truthfully that you don’t know that it’s just joyful for you. Those who do this just go to the tests at the exhibition to draw conclusions and think further.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: atalef

the short-range air defense system shot down a single hail projectile from a turn in 180 degrees, a very pretty sight,
Drop the link, please.

In 1986, in August, an "Wasp" was shot down during an exercise in Kazakhstan and there was more than one shell (I saw it with my own eyes, believe it or not).

[atalef]

Quote: saturn.mmm

In 1986, in August, an "Wasp" was shot down during an exercise in Kazakhstan and there was more than one shell (I saw it with my own eyes, believe it or not).

I saw how the Dome knocks down. like a wasp - I don’t know. have not seen.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: atalef

I saw how the Dome knocks down. like a wasp - I don’t know. have not seen

The Iron Dome air defense system was put into service in 2011, I would be very surprised if it did not shoot down non-maneuvering targets.

[atalef]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The Iron Dome air defense system was put into service in 2011, I would be very surprised if it did not shoot down non-maneuvering targets

Do not wonder . The dome is not intended to destroy maneuvering targets.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: atalef

Do not wonder . The dome is not intended to destroy maneuvering targets.

But the box office worked well, which causes respect for the creators
The trend on the forum has recently begun to strain, as they see the Israeli flag, the minuses immediately begin to sculpt, presumably without even reading the comments, this is not good.

[atalef]

Quote: saturn.mmm

But the box office worked well, which causes respect for the creators

Kassam, like Grad, is not an agile target. and flying along a ballistic trajectory.

[Professor]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The trend on the forum has recently begun to strain, as they see the Israeli flag, the minuses immediately begin to sculpt, presumably without even reading the comments, this is not good.

Not recently, it has always been so. In the beginning, even the administration, at my request, showed the Israelis under German flags. Then they considered that the people had matured and was able to be objective, IMHO they hurried. Personally, I'm not interested in cons, annoying the number of Natsik.

[series]

...Of course !

[mark1]

Why use the S-300 against a gliding bomb (if it is, of course, not an atomic one) - it's like shooting at sparrows from a cannon, or rather at a flock of sparrows. There is such a criterion - "cost-effectiveness". Beating an expensive S-300 missile at a cheap bomb is close to idiocy. Gliding bombs will perfectly "pochik" "Armor" and "Torah" and even "Wasps", and the S-300 will most likely be used on a carrier before approaching the drop (launch) line. At an altitude of 13000m - the carrier is in full view.

[series]

...Of course !

[Idolum]

I was always touched by arguments about how it is possible to overcome long-range air defense, while it is tightly "forgotten" by the speculators that such complexes (S-300), as a rule, do not work without their "retinue" (the same "armor" and "tori") ...

[bairat]

He can see what he sees, only the cost of the planning bomb is insignificant, and it turns out like in a saying: from a gun on sparrows.

[the polar]

Quote: tronin.maxim

I doubt this clever bomb! If I'm not mistaken, the X-NUMX even sees small objects and it doesn’t matter whether they plan or fly. It’s pointless to use stealth technologies, since a long time ago in the USSR it was proved that it was impossible to completely hide an object. They put a radio jamming system in a bomb + they’re afraid, I don’t believe it. This is infa inf so that local democracies calm and no more!

In general, some stupidity is written in the article. The bomb has no engine, and has small wings for free planning. Even if there is super-optoelectronic GN, how does it reach a given target, at what speed, how does the planning direction adjust, and why are Jews confident that they will not be eliminated by short-range air defense systems covering C-300 complexes.

[Rink]

Shooting a bomb is not the task of the C300.
The ZRPK Pantsir, which was created for such work — object cover, column protection on the march, etc., will do just fine with this trifle.

The carapace will remove the bombs, even if there are several, and the C300 will get the one who dropped them. Israel may be calm ...

[Ruslan_F38]

tronin.maxim "..... I doubt this smart bomb! If I'm not mistaken, the s-300 sees even small objects and it doesn't matter if they are planning or flying ...."

The Iron Dome gained worldwide fame during Operation Pillar of Fire due to its NOT ability to intercept various types of missiles. "Even the Israelis themselves admitted the rather low percentage of downed targets.
I hope that the announced Israeli rackets possess similar characteristics.

[chunga-changa]

Bombs are relatively cheap. You can do so much that, firstly, you can’t get everything down, and secondly, the missiles will end.

[Aleksey_K]

At least all the warehouses were filled with these bombs! I read the comments of all here arguing, both Jews and non-Jews, you are talking complete nonsense! If hostilities begin, then not only "smart" bombs are destroyed, but runways, aircraft on airfields and in the air, all air defense systems, nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction. Then land targets. For this, the Russian ships are constantly located near Israel. Well, Syria and Iran will carry out a ground operation. BUT, this scenario will come true if the "brave" Israelis decide it's time for the Jews to self-destruct!

[Quiet]

Put the radio jamming system in the bomb

This radio suppression system will also knock down its missiles !!!

[Sirocco]

I completely agree with you, another bluff from Israel. I would, possessing such weapons as this next bomb, keep quiet in a rag in order to pleasantly surprise the enemy. And Israel puffs out her cheeks, and squeaks from despair. Otherwise, Jews would not come to bow to the GDP.

[bulvas]

Quote: tronin.maxim

I doubt this clever bomb!

the Israelis are somehow not interested in the doubts of the "red marshals"
they simply defeat everyone around them, both with the new "smart" and with the old conventional weapons and with minimal casualties.
There will be "smart bombs" - there will be even fewer losses of its people

[mvkot120669]

Does the S-300 see? The S-300 has never participated in hostilities! The S-300 has not been tested in real conditions ... Anything can happen to the S-300, but its parameters are just the "declared parameters" ... I remember that such shoals have already happened with our weapon that some people had an Ass ..

[KoRSaR1]

But it is vulnerable like no other, such a bird flies, without an engine, with such a small reflection that it doesn’t even burn its c-300, here it flies itself quietly and peacefully, and bang, for the 300, the cover needs an armor or tung , they have a radar that shoots small targets at an altitude of 10-14 meters with a low reflection About the tandem from our air defense, I’m generally silent, there circles 120-80-40-20-5 cover the zones.

[Hammer]

Parts of electronic warfare are our everything ... I’m sure a few boys with Chinese laser pointers can easily ignore this threat.
Joke. )))))
Seriously, not everything is so rosy with our Euchreis dhruzy. The weapon is certainly serious, but there are also methods to counter such systems. This is both technical means and tactical techniques. This bomb, of course, can greatly complicate the life of an air defense system, but it won’t be able to become a panacea for air defense ... In general, Tel Aviv is again intimidating. But the fact that completely eliminating the threat of the C-300 mot is only becoming a full-fledged land operation. Those. full-blown invasion. And only Israel can implement this in the region, but the question is whether he will do it? I so see that no.
Wait and see. ))))))))

[igor36]

Quote: Hammer

For every tricky bomb, there is also a SAM with a screw!

Based on the published bombs of similar bombs, the actual range of use of 60-75 km at a drop height of 13000 m. It follows that the possibility of such an attack exists. The biggest danger is a massive simultaneous strike by several dozen bombs, because in this case everything will depend on the capabilities of the air defense control system.

[slvevg]

You are right, in a competent war there will be a lot of obstacles of various kinds, false targets from different directions, the mass rise of all aviation without entering the affected area, in such a situation there will be a huge load on both equipment and personnel, and if the combat crew is unskilled then the missiles will be used up on the bases, and it takes time to reload, then real friends will come !!! As one of the options.

[dustycat]

For shooting everything in a row there is C75, C100 and Thor with Buk.
There are Shilki, Shipka and Shell-S1.

As one of the options.

[dustycat]

For shooting everything in a row there is C75, C100 and Thor with Buk.
There are Shilki, Shipka and Shell-S1.

As one of the options.

[Scoun]

Quote: igor36

Based on published TTX similar bombs real range 60-75 km with dump height 13000 m. It follows that the possibility of such a strike exists

Subject to the selected parameters, this is an ideal target for training beginners.

[igor36]

Quote: Scoun

Subject to the selected parameters, this is an ideal target for training beginners.

I agree that only the Israelis can reset from their territory, i.e. the first mass strike cannot be prevented.

[Scoun]

Quote: igor36

I agree that only the Israelis can reset from their territory, i.e. the first mass strike cannot be prevented.

What, in fact, are we talking about .. because if you shoot down over the very territory of Israel preventively, Bibi will wring his handles and say that the "dove" was shot down.

[wasjasibirjac]

What will be the result? there is hope for 100% destruction of long-range air defense. I think that no one can give such a guarantee. as a result, the remaining air defense will carry out the massacre of aircraft, especially not understanding their involvement. how much does C-300 break through? almost through all of Israel.
in principle, I can’t understand Israel’s policy towards Syria. Yes, for 40 years he has not had peace with Syria. but there is no war. Assad is a perfectly sane politician, no shelling, they already wrote that the Syrian-Israeli border was the most peaceful. Well, Assad will be blamed, and who in return? those that are ready to eat a heart? what will happen after this, a new hot war? what for?

[Wedmak]

What for?

It is not for the Jews to ask such a question, but for their master.

[Roll]

Israeli politics is simple and straightforward. He is afraid of only massive armies. When there was a doomsday war and the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan flooded him, he was saved by a miracle and the ability to fight. Territories populated by terrorists, instead of states, are not afraid of him. Therefore, ruining the Arabs as a state is an important task, and the world caliphate is a myth.

[dustycat]

Even 60% will not be smashed.
Even in this case, the remaining 40% (and with cover of the Shell and more) and even the C75 and C100 will land everything that takes off, flies and lands on the territory of Israel.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: igor36

The biggest danger is a massive simultaneous strike by several dozen bombs, because in this case everything will depend on the capabilities of the air defense control system.

Rafael Oren Uriel said the bomb is equipped with an "optoelectronic seeker and an algorithm that compares the target's image with the bomb's memory.
Probably you need to put along with C-300 a large number of inflatable rubber mock-ups.

[Hammer]

Quote: igor36

Based on the published bombs of similar bombs, the actual range of use of 60-75 km at a drop height of 13000 m. It follows that the possibility of such an attack exists. The biggest danger is a massive simultaneous strike by several dozen bombs, because in this case everything will depend on the capabilities of the air defense control system.

Well, I’m saying that the comrades from Israel are pushing us ... the range of 75 km from a height of 13 km is a guarantee of destruction of the carrier even before entering the bombing zone. A massive blow with these bombs is certainly dangerous. But I think that here everything will depend not only (and not so much) on the capabilities of the air defense control system. Here, the coherence in the work of the air defense systems, dowries of the security units (camouflage, electronic warfare, radio-frequency control) will be extremely important. Those. from the complexity of the work to ensure the survivability of three hundred. Because, as rightly said here, three hundred itself is naked.
"And Karol is naked!" (c) S-300 - King of Air Defense! This is indisputable! But the naked king, if he is alone.

[dustycat]

As far as I remember PZRAK Shell is just including against these ammunition.
And Syria already has them ..
And the option will be like that.
1. Air Force IDF attacks with these bombs everything that can.
2: 50% C-300 maximum is destroyed.
3. The air defense of Syria with the S-300, S-75 and Tor complexes "lands" everything that takes off, flies and lands in Israel. Anything that answers the irradiation with an answering machine is possible.
4: This is where the C-300 ammunition ends, but it no longer matters.

[Corneli]

Quote: dustycat

3. The air defense of Syria with the S-300, S-75 and Tor complexes "lands" everything that takes off, flies and lands in Israel. Anything that answers the irradiation with an answering machine is possible.

The argument is far from reality:
1. C-300 isn’t there yet! And when will they be, how much?
2. C-75, C-125 - hospitals scattered throughout the country and their location is not a secret at all, and given the range of 25-35 km, it’s not a problem to launch an attack out of their reach (or knock in the main direction of the strike), in addition, they outdated ...
3. C-200 - these yes, they can get it, especially modernized ones, but again they are the 2 shelf (44 installations of everything) throughout the country.
4. Syria has no THOR! Instead, a number of old Wasp and Arrow
5. Syria NO Tungusok! 36 Shell of current and all!
6. From medium, mobile there are many Cubes, 20 old beeches and 8 new ones. But this again is for the whole country and their range is 30-40 km.
Those. If we consider the situation without "urya-patriotism", then air strikes from unexpected directions, with small forces, from their own (neutral) territory and from afar are more than possible. The current Angara da Vega can get the attackers, well, the missiles can shoot down the rest of the air defense and can ... partially. But only with a rosary, a prompt response (and I don't think that the Israelis are so stupid and let themselves be detected on the ball). An entirely different question if it is not targeted strikes, but an all-out war. Then even such an old and short-lived air defense business can do ... all the same, there are quite a few different installations, and there are planes ...

[slvevg]

This morning, one of the most competent comments, plus YOU.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Duc S-300 and the ground forces of the BUK and Ptsnir are covering, this is the target for them, as I understand it ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Duc C-300 and the ground forces of the BUK and the Carapace are also covering, this is the target for them, as I understand it ...

Well, the armor is not yet covered with air defense (the chassis on the goose is still a little expensive for our Defense Ministry), but the Tungusks are covered.

[tlauicol]

you can’t save any missiles for each

[mogus]

to drop bombs, you need to start, be able to enter, deep enough into the air defense ...

[atalef]

Quote: mogus

to drop bombs, you need to start, be able to enter, deep enough into the air defense zone.

Interestingly, I am now writing from the air defense zone — I am in Haifa (by the way, this is already the westernmost point of Israel, the coast is peaceful) and from me to Damascus 120 km?

[mogus]

Situation: C-300 delivered. Deployed. Entered combat duty. Everything that can bring down anti-aircraft defense is lost.
Your actions? You need to climb to the dump height
(only at first you need to smoke something to imagine such a situation. Nobody will bring this up. It's no wonder Putin and the heads of intelligence met with Netanyahu ...). Near Damascus is unlikely to be installed.

[atalef]

Quote: mogus

Situation: C-300 delivered. Deployed. Entered combat duty. Everything that can bring down anti-aircraft defense is lost.

Quote: mogus

Your actions

the plane took off from the base of Ramat David (one of the largest air force bases) - 90 km from Damascus (at the same time deep into Israeli territory) and began to gain altitude, of course - your actions.?

Quote: mogus

Near Damascus is unlikely to be installed.

And where ?

[wasjasibirjac]

Quote: atalef

the plane took off from the base of Ramat David (one of the largest air force bases) - 90 km from Damascus (at the same time deep into Israeli territory) and began to gain altitude, of course - your actions.?

report of the battery commander - target single high-speed single consumption two FIRE. Do you need it?

[leon-iv]

spruce high-speed single consumption two FIRE. Do you need it?

And how will the radar enlighten through the golan?

[mogus]

through the heights in any way. Here we discuss the possibility of using this bomb. To reset it, you need to rise to a height of several kilometers ... what Golan.

[mogus]

To say exactly where, you need to visit the place ... I already gave an example from the Moscow missile defense A-135, when the launchers in Kazakhstan. The place should be flat, the PU itself is on a hill so that it is not discreetly picked up.
You have been warned that any aircraft will be destroyed.

Battery Commander Report - Target High-Speed ​​Single Consumption Two FIRE

A funeral for the pilot's relatives.
But in order to get to this ... fantasizing only stoned ...

[Professor]

Quote: mogus

To say exactly where, you need to go to the place ...

Open a topographic map or something or Google Earth.

[mogus]

You posted me the map above. From Damascus, sector, northeast ...
But can you explain to me why you need a no-fly zone above you? You, like, like the USA and Co. are not going to climb there ..?

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

Interestingly, I am now writing from the air defense zone — I am in Haifa (by the way, this is already the westernmost point of Israel, the coast is peaceful) and from me to Damascus 120 km?

So you yourself answered all the questions ... if the planes start to pour on your head and Syria starts saying that they shot down Israeli planes who wanted to drop planning bombs and missiles in Damascus (similar to your excuse about supposedly missiles for Hezbollah) and will make a brick face .. you yourself are the first and stain the monitor with righteous anger .. for your anger is more righteous than all the righteous.

[atalef]

Quote: Scoun

if planes begin to pour on your head and Syria begins to say that they shot down Israeli planes who wanted to drop planning bombs and missiles in Damascus

Yes, do not begin to roll in aircraft because in the military confrontation against Israel at Syria, the chances are not zero - they simply do not.

Quote: Scoun

for your wrath is more just than all the righteous.

I have no righteous anger. I do not like lies and fairy tales. The fact that Syria supplies weapons to Hezbollah is known, the fact that Israel warned Syria is also known to it. Well, don’t cry and believe me, if Syria attacks Israel and gives back (what it has been talking about for a long time) and what it has the right to, we won’t cry. but we will answer this way. that no longer wants.

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

Well don’t cry and believe

Yes, I believe, I believe and don’t cry ... I just want to understand .. your logic.

Quote: atalef

if Syria attacks Israel and fights back

in response, what will you do Lebanon? ....

Exactly one year ago, on July 12, 2006, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) began hostilities against the radical Shiite group Hezbollah based in southern Lebanon. This war is considered unsuccessful for the Jewish state.

It started like that ...

The media cite Israelis several times more often than Palestinians and Lebanese. Shariv also mentioned a survey conducted among viewers of the Sky News TV channel: 80% of its participants said that the IDF's strikes on Lebanon were justified. Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Gideon Meir explained such a high percentage of world public opinion support for the policy of the Jewish state by the "well-coordinated work" of the country's information machine.

Then it went like this ...

The Israeli Air Force missile attack on this village in southern Lebanon, which killed more than 50 people, was skillfully used by the Shiites to form an extremely negative public opinion in the world about the Jewish state as a brutal aggressor that grossly violates international principles of military operations. Thus, photographs of dead Lebanese children were immediately disseminated by the largest world media. The indignant reaction of the international community contributed to the fact that the UN promised to conduct a formal investigation of this incident.

then you were reminded about

Recall that in 1996 there was a similar case. Then, as a result of an Israeli air raid on the same Lebanese village, more than a hundred people were killed. They were all refugees hiding from air attacks in the UN mission building. Israel then explained the incident with a mistake, but UN experts, having studied the circumstances of the case, concluded that the possibility of a mistake in this case was unlikely. Human rights activists from Amnesty International said that the pilots deliberately attacked the building with refugees.

and then start to bustle by hacking a propaganda machine ..

In a statement issued by the IDF press service, responsibility for any civilian casualties in Lebanon was attributed to Hezbollah, which "hides behind the backs of civilians", as well as to the Lebanese government, "unable to suppress extremist activities in its country."

The head of the Israeli Air Force headquarters Amir Eshel even came up with the version that the building in Qana collapsed only seven hours after the air raid.

You can bomb Syria with bombs .. you can’t do anything else .. the Syrians will answer you with the skills of the militants ... but do you need it? and it’s expensive to throw bombs / missiles alone ... but many civilians are dying ...
Iran will begin to help .. Hezbollah will begin to help ...

[wasjasibirjac]

Well, you’re not the target for an air defense missile, so you can write calmly

[Rink]

you can’t save any missiles for each

Why rockets? it's stupid and wasteful.
You will find videos like ZRPK (anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex) Shell with small targets understands.

Yes, and there is no need to shoot down each, it is enough to destroy only those that go to the guarded object.

[tlauicol]

105 missiles fly: 50 on the Shell, 50 on the C-300, and 5 on the guarded object - which one will you shoot?

[Wedmak]

Rockets or bombs?
Those who go to the guarded object are knocked down if it is possible to calculate the trajectory. Especially 5 pieces - not how much. Even if all shells and c-300 are destroyed, the guarded object must fulfill its task.

[tlauicol]

That's right. And then another 105 missiles, bombs or planes will fly in and complete their task.

[Wedmak]

If there is something to answer, they may not fly ... But bombing the enemy is obviously several times weaker than himself, this is only the seeders of democracy.

[tlauicol]

well, the Jews didn’t try to bomb the enemy and are obviously stronger than themselves, do not slander

[Wedmak]

well, the Jews didn’t try to bomb the enemy and were obviously stronger than themselves

Oh .. Who was that? Or was Uncle Sam, who stood behind the Jews, threatened with a finger?

[tlauicol]

Doomsday War - the balance of power from 1: 3 to 1: 9 for people and technology, on three fronts. and D. Sam, they also clicked on the nose

[Wedmak]

If I am not mistaken, the opponents of Israel had outdated weapons. And I was talking about technical superiority, not numerical.

[atalef]

Quote: Wedmak

If I am not mistaken, the opponents of Israel had outdated weapons. And I was talking about technical superiority, not numerical.

Did the USSR supply obsolete weapons? Well, right, read enough information about types, quality, etc.
The Israelis simply knew how to fight and knew there was no turning back.

[Professor]

Quote: Wedmak

and I’m not mistaken, the opponents of Israel had outdated weapons. And I was talking about technical superiority, not numerical.

You are mistaken. Arabs were better armed. For example, Syrian tanks were armed with night vision devices.

[atalef]

Quote: Wedmak

If there is something to answer, they may not fly ... But bombing the enemy is obviously several times weaker than himself, this is only the seeders of democracy.

Eu, of course, Georgia, Afghanistan, Chechnya - not just world powers, but super empires.

[Wedmak]

Georgia

This was not a special operation of intimidation or bombing in order to stop the development of the country (remember the reactor). And not bombing about "us it seemedthat they are bringing weapons to our enemies. ”It was a defensive reaction against the genocide of the population of Ossetia.

Afgan

And we fought there with precision munitions? Or destroyed the infrastructure of the Mujahideen (and they had it ???)? Or did the main actions take place on earth, with small arms with the support of armored vehicles?
Although here you are right in something - there was no need to climb there. But compared to the US vs Afghanistan fight, we are cute and fluffy.

Chechnya

Destruction of gangs can be done by any means.
So your examples evenly pass by.

[atalef]

Quote: Wedmak

This was not a special operation to intimidate or bombard, in order to stop the development of the country (remember the reactor)

Explain how plutonium reactor is related to the country's development.

Quote: Wedmak

It was a defensive reaction,

Like we have . in all wars

Quote: Wedmak

And we fought there with precision munitions? Or destroyed the infrastructure of the Mujahideen (and they had it ???)? Or did the main actions take place on earth, with small arms with the support of armored vehicles?

Your non-knowledge is off-scale. Read for what Dudaev (commander in the aviation strategist) received a major general for inventing what tactics.

Quote: Wedmak

Destruction of gangs can be done by any means.

That's about when we talk about Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic jihad.

[Wedmak]

Explain how plutonium reactor is related to the country's development.

And what, you can only have nuclear weapons? By the way, how did you get it, and on what basis?

Like we have . in all wars

How are you???? I do not remember that Russia delivered targeted attacks on targets located in another country and supposedly dangerous for it!

for which Dudaev (commander in an aviation strategist) received a major general

Carpet bombing? I already said that there was no need to climb there. Nevertheless - there was a war against radicalism. Successfully or not, another question. What are you fighting?

That's about when we talk about Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic jihad.

I would also be at the place of these people, because remembering HOW Israel appeared, and HOW he settled these conflicts and with whose help they had nothing left to do. And I don’t understand what parallel there is with Chechnya.

[atalef]

Quote: Wedmak

And what, you can only have nuclear weapons? By the way, how did you get it, and on what basis?

Learn the mathematical part. Syria has acceded to the agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, one of the co-founders of which is Russia. We don’t care, you are being deceived.

Quote: Wedmak

How are you???? I do not remember that Russia delivered targeted attacks on targets located in another country and supposedly dangerous for it!

The conversation was about a defensive reaction, read carefully your comment

Quote: Wedmak

Carpet bombing? I already said that there was no need to climb there.

\ Namely, returning to the conversation about the bombing. point hits and weak in advance, and what you say (like I said you shouldn’t have to climb) does not cancel the fact. that climbed and bombed

Quote: Wedmak

. Nevertheless - there was a war against radicalism. Successfully or not, another question. What are you fighting?

With Islamic radicalism and fundamentalism, and you thought?

Quote: Wedmak

I would also be at the place of these people, because remembering how Israel came

With the help of the USSR, but you did not know the same

Quote: Wedmak

HOW did he handle these conflicts

I mean did not surrender to the mercy of the attackers?

Quote: Wedmak

and with whose help

attacked us with the help of the USSR, including the direct participation of SA troops in the war

Quote: Wedmak

And I don’t understand what parallel there is with Chechnya.

Yes, I see. You don’t understand a lot of things, the conversation was about the bombing of the weak in advance. Your comment.

[Wedmak]

Learn the mathematical part. Syria has acceded to the agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, one of the co-founders of which is Russia. We don’t care, you are being deceived.

And where is Syria? I'm talking about the Israeli nuclear weapons that the Americans gave you.

The conversation was about a defensive reaction, read carefully your comment

A good defensive reaction is when even on suspicion planes fly out to bomb. So close to paranoia.

With the help of the USSR, but you did not know the same

What are you ??? And I thought that the British set the tone, unable to resolve the contentious issue between Jews and Arabs. And the territory of Israel was allocated in the territory of Palestine, not listening to its population! The USSR, of course, supported the UN decision, since there was nothing else to do.

attacked us with the help of the USSR, including the direct participation of SA troops in the war

Those. The USSR supported the creation of the Jewish state, and then he himself took part in the wars against him? You didn’t mix anything up?

[atalef]

Quote: Wedmak

And where is Syria? I'm talking about the Israeli nuclear weapons that the Americans gave you

nobody gave us anything, sort out the question. France sold the reactor in exchange for the technology of heavy water production (the most advanced at that time). We have enough resources to develop ourselves. By the way, in Russia, the main scientists in the nuclear project were Jews

Quote: Wedmak

A good defensive reaction is when even on suspicion planes fly out to bomb. So close to paranoia.

better to stay short than stay long

Quote: Wedmak

The USSR, of course, supported the UN decision, since there was nothing else to do.

Another non-knowledge of the issue. The states were initially against, the Britons on the drum, the insistent position of the USSR decided the matter.

Quote: Wedmak

And the territory of Israel was allocated in the territory of Palestine,

mandated territory called Palestine, while TransIordan. By the way, what about Macedonia? The name is interesting - but for some reason neither in Greece.

[Jin]

Quote: atalef

Eu, of course, Georgia, Afghanistan, Chechnya - not just world powers, but super empires.

A fig argument, dear. We bombed Georgia, when and why did we bomb there? In Afghanistan, what did we bomb and what did we bomb America? You wouldn't touch Chechnya at all, there the "opposition" was made up of the same characters who are now fighting against Assad. And what was bombed there? But what was bombing NATO in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Vietnam? Remind me of napalm? Russia throughout history, has been waging defensive wars and, mainly, on its territory, against any gnat that comes to us ... but NATO is always climbing into all the holes with its "democracy" and bombing peaceful cities and waging wars of conquest! You say, don't talk.

[atalef]

Quote: Jin

Fig argument, dear.

An example of what is needed, the answer is fig. Since with the comment

Quote: Wedmak

. And the enemy is obviously several times weaker than himself, it is only the seeders of democracy who can.

[Jin]

Quote: atalef

An example of what is needed, the answer is fig

Actually, if you aren’t in the know, Chechnya is Russia, not a sovereign state! Are you completely off topic? I say, we are fighting a * ram in our homeland, and NATO is bombing other countries.

[Rink]

Quote: Tlauicol

105 missiles fly: 50 on the Shell, 50 on the C-300, and 5 on the guarded object ...

A good start for a joke.
Can you imagine how many fighters you need to simultaneously launch 105 missiles?

... which one will you shoot?

Which armor to shoot down decides on its own, completely automatically based on a certain trajectory, speed and estimated place of impact. Therefore, even if the salvo is simultaneous, one Shell will have time to remove at least several missiles on approach. Considering that more than one installation will work for the cover, even in such a fantastic volley nothing threatens either the covered object or the С300 complexes.
If 105 missiles were not launched simultaneously, and the launch was extended in time by at least a couple of minutes, then the missiles will fly up sequentially, and the Shell will have enough time to deal with all of them in turn (and there will be enough ammunition, do not hesitate) .

This is a very good car, honestly.

Not for nothing that a much more powerful American army immediately precipitated, and does not show any desire to climb under Russian air defense? But the Jews are cocking something, inventing something there ... Not from a big mind, most likely, but from the fact that all their calculations are crumbling, their usual dominance in the region is being violated, and scarecrowing as an opportunity to get face the next aggression, and the opportunity to remain face to face with the stronger Syrian army, surrounded by Lebanon and Palestine ...
(America was blown away, America seems not going to continue to cover up the Jews.)

[atalef]

Quote: Skating rink

Which armor to shoot down decides on its own, completely automatically based on a certain trajectory, speed and estimated place of impact. Therefore, even if the salvo is simultaneous, one Shell will have time to remove at least several missiles on approach

Something I don’t get into comrades, is the Shell an automated system? And then what to drive on the Syrians that they did not bring down. It turns out that they are in general and not particularly needed.

[Rink]

Quote: atalef

Something I don’t get into comrades, is the Shell an automated system? And then what to drive on the Syrians that they did not bring down. It turns out that they are in general and not particularly needed.

In order for the automated complex to fulfill its goals, it must be at least put into position, turned on and put into combat mode. So the human factor, even with the Shell, does not need to be discounted.

[atalef]

Quote: Skating rink

In order for the automated complex to fulfill its goals, it must be at least put into position, turned on and put into combat mode. So the human factor, even with the Shell, does not need to be discounted

Continue to sell to the Papuans (by the way for your own money) and then they will say that the weapon is bad. Caesar's wife (Syrians), as always, is beyond suspicion.

[Jin]

Quote: atalef

Something I don’t get into comrades, is the Shell an automated system? And then what to drive on the Syrians that they did not bring down. It turns out that they are in general and not particularly needed.

A colleague is not quite right.

Depending on the local conditions in the area of ​​military operations and combat use options, the Shell-S1 complex can operate in one of the following modes.


Autonomous fighting
BM works autonomously and ensures the implementation of the full cycle: search, detection, identification, selection of a dangerous target, target designation, additional search, capture, tracking and firing of targets of air and missile defense.

Joint fighting
The battery works together, including the 6 BM, between which telecode communication is established. Each BM implements a full cycle of BR for its chosen goals. Each BM informs about the selected goals for servicing to other BM batteries, which exclude it from its list of serviced goals.

Work under the control of a battery command post
Each of the 6 BM implements all stages of combat work, starting with the development of target designation. Target designation is issued from the command punt.

Work on the principle of "Lead - Slave"
A battery is running, including the 6 BM, one of which is designated as the “master”, and the other as “slaves”. The "leading" BM works as a command post, and also implements the functions of a combat vehicle as in autonomous combat operations. Each of the “slave” BMs receives target designation from the “master”, and the rest works as if under the control of a battery gearbox.

Regardless of the task being solved and the control modes, the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft battery is part of the hierarchical structure of the mixed grouping with mandatory subordination to the higher command post of the group. Depending on the composition of the grouping and the task being solved, the command post of an anti-aircraft missile brigade (grouping), an anti-aircraft missile regiment, an anti-aircraft missile battalion of a long-range (medium) range system, and a command post of RTV can act as a superior command post.

[atalef]

Quote: Skating rink

A good start for a joke.
Can you imagine how many fighters you need to simultaneously launch 105 missiles?

Imagine, as many as -6. Just not a lifting amount.

[SSR]

Quote: Tlauicol

which will you shoot down?

Quote: Wedmak

Shot down by those who go to the guarded facility

Quote: Tlauicol

and then another 105 missiles, bombs will arrive

Quote from S.S.R.

It turns out the carrier must be brought down immediately in the sky of Israel

well, all to quote for a long time ... there and about the Point and the Iskander ...

Quote: Tlauicol

well, the Jews didn’t try to bomb the enemy and were obviously stronger than themselves

Quote: atalef

2007 year - Syria at the top of its power. as I understand it, there is no war. quiet and smooth, Assad on the throne.
How about this?

Quote: Scoun

Israel persuaded the US not to publish data on the bombing of Syria

Quote: atalef

because despite the fact that the military at the site of the reactor tore up everything (including the soil layer), the IAEA inspectors vseravno found there the remains of plutonium

The information also wanders completely "delusional" that there is TNW
was applied ...
oh from the evil one ...

[atalef]

Quote from S.S.R.

The information also wanders completely "delusional" that there is TNW
was applied ...

No, you somehow understand that at nuclear facilities (such as a reactor), even if it is not already in operation, there is a certain amount of fissile material. Hohima in that. one hundred after the bombing, Syria claimed that there was some sort of regular agricultural facility. Magate arrived - and there are the remnants of plutonium. The Syrians again blocked access to the place - that was the end of the matter (As with Syrian propaganda about a peaceful object)

[SSR]

Quote: Tlauicol

you can’t save any missiles for each

It turns out the carrier must be brought down immediately in the sky of Israel .. are you alluding to this?

[kosmos44]

Israeli bomb capable of handling C-300

And the "shell" is capable of dealing with an Israeli bomb.

[Roll]

Whether the shell is lying, needle-type missiles against planning bombs are ineffective, and the capabilities of the cannon system are too weak. But the Chinese laocin is the most. In the first chassis is about the same. A seven-barreled cannon will easily hit at least a dozen bombs, all the more it will be able to stand in the most convenient place to protect the C300. Then the Chinese system is not expensive, it is cheaper than the shell, but for this purpose it is much more effective.

[Rink]

... and the capabilities of the cannon system are too weak.

Do you know for sure?
It’s better to watch the videos on YouTube, how this thing works - it will become approximately clear what he can and what cannot.

[igor36]

Quote: Rolm

Whether the shell is lying, needle-type missiles against planning bombs are ineffective, and the capabilities of the cannon system are too weak. But the Chinese laocin is the most.

At the Shell:
The cannon armament includes two double-barreled anti-aircraft machine guns 2A38M capable of hitting air and ground targets in the zone in range - up to 4 km, in height - up to 3 km. The total rate of fire 5000 rds / min.
The Chinese: The original GAU-8 gun has a rate of fire of at least 4000-4500 rounds per minute, firing range 2500-3500 meters.
And what makes the Shell worse?

[Roll]

1 The wheelbase of KAMAZ and C-300 is different, Well, first of all, the shell has the combined rate of fire of 1950-2300 shots, and this is the most important indicator, the mass of the volley per second in the Chinese is two times higher. Then the Chinese complex has one aiming point, and the shell has two , since the distance between the guns is about 1 meter and he shoots alternately with one gun or another. The ammunition in the Chinese is greater, then the angular velocity of the cannon’s rotation is higher for the Chinese, and if we take into account that the time to hit the target is no more than 2 seconds, the Chinese are certainly better and cheaper.

[igor36]

Quote: Rolm

Well, firstly, the shell has the total rate of fire of 1950-2300 shots, and this is the most important indicator, the Chinese mass of volley per second is twice as much.

I repeat for you personally: The total rate of fire of the AU Shell 5000 rds / min.

[Roll]

I have other data of 1950-2300 shots. Well, just physically, a double-barreled gun cannot compete with a seven-barreled gun. I'm not writing about the misfires, that for a seven-barrel is not a problem, but the shell needs 2-3 seconds for a reload.

[Roll]

Rate of fire, rds / min 1950-2500
Weight, kg
- machine without water
- water cooling system
no more 195
no more 28

[Windbreak]

Quote: Rolm

Well, the double-barreled gun just can't physically compete

Therefore, the Shell has two such guns

[Roll]

But the point is that a universal system cannot compete with a narrowly specialized one.

[leon-iv]

But the Chinese laocin is the most

\
And what is the ammunition consumption for the 1 goal then?
If we have guns only shot at targets.

[Perch_xnumx]

Whether the shell is lying, needle-type missiles against planning bombs are ineffective, and the capabilities of the cannon system are too weak.

But why? A rocket knocks down a glider and plumage. Likewise, the 1-2 gun charges are sufficient.

[series]

Consumption is estimated in hundreds of small-caliber shells .. BUT it's worth it!

[Jin]

Quote: Rolm

Whether the shell is lying, missiles like a needle against planning bombs are ineffective

Learn the mat part, why write about what you do not understand?

The main feature of the complex is that in a matter of seconds it can detect and destroy any aircraft, helicopter, guided air bomb or enemy ballistic missile. The Shell-S1 complex is also designed to destroy ground targets, which makes it truly universal.

[Scoun]

Quote: kosmos44

And the "shell" is capable of dealing with an Israeli bomb.

They say that "Thor" is better for objects without an engine. but the shell doesn't pull

[Rink]

Quote: Scoun

They say that "Thor" is better for objects without an engine. but the shell doesn't pull

Grandmas on the mound say?
The Shell has an optoelectronic guidance channel, which allows under any conditions to be guaranteed to detect and track even small targets (such as drones and bombs), even made using stealth technology, at a distance of 8-12 km. The presence of an engine on the target is completely optional, since thermal radiation is far from the most important channel for it.

To shoot at the Torami bombs is completely inappropriate. You just compare the number of bombs on the suspension of one strike fighter and the number of "Thors" in the battery, as well as the cost of the "Thor" and the bomb.
From a gun on sparrows ...

[igor36]

Quote: Skating rink

The presence of an engine on the target is completely optional, since thermal radiation is far from the most important channel for it.

To shoot at the Torami bombs is completely inappropriate. You just compare the number of bombs on the suspension of one strike fighter and the number of "Thors" in the battery, as well as the cost of the "Thor" and the bomb.
From a gun on sparrows ...

I do not quite agree:
Firstly, the cost of a guided bomb is comparable to the cost of a Torah rocket, and secondly, it is necessary to consider not only the cost of the bomb but also the cost of the target that it can hit.

[Professor]

Quote: kosmos44

And the "shell" is capable of dealing with an Israeli bomb.

[Jin]

Quote: professor

Quote: kosmos44

And the "shell" is capable of dealing with an Israeli bomb.

My post is lower and you are a professor ... do not confuse the sour with the fresh, the right has already gotten ... not tired?

[series]

הסורית "איסקנדר- E "גם לא ידע איך לקרוא בעברית

[Vlad_Mir]

Beckons vile troll with a salary of 300 $! When they have nothing to say, they start to practice the application!

[Roll]

And why look, it is enough C-300 to work in conjunction with the Chinese anti-aircraft gun system laocin. Larcin will stand meters X-NUMX from C-200 and from the seven-barreled 300 MM rapid-fire gun will shoot Israeli bombs directly over C-30. If the Syrians in the complex acquire all of them, no Rafali is terrible.

[Perch_xnumx]

Larcin will stand meters X-NUMX from C-200 and from the seven-barreled 300 MM rapid-fire gun will shoot Israeli bombs directly over C-30.

You still need to get it - what is the effectiveness of larcinol. The ammunition of the gun is not infinite, especially in the rapid-fire. A cruise missile can still be carried to the complex.

[Arkan]

Perhaps the simplest decision that the Syrians can make is to knock down Israeli planes whenever they appear on their radars (ideally also on takeoff). In general, Jews will still beg for themselves a demilitarized zone throughout Israel ...

[Aleks21]

Remembering how the Arabs know how to use our "screws" especially against the Israelis, I'm afraid that even the mountains of the air defense system will not help much ...

[nakaz]

If it’s just a bomb, then its speed is much lower than that of missiles.
SAM "Tor" and "Pantsir" very quickly shoot down such within a radius of 15-20 km.
It is necessary to think up something else to Israel, we will not prompt.

[series]

Quote: nakaz

It is necessary to think up something else to Israel, we will not prompt.

why not tell "brothers in mind" ?
Let them try C-300 bales(caps) toss!
On the forums, this is not bad for them!
again .. rather than alternating with bales, That...
horror what happens!

[self-propelled]

Quote: gland

For every tricky bomb, there is also a SAM with a screw!

I’ll change it a bit - for every tricky trainer ... I have my own x ... th with a screw. something like this.

[Timtom]

That's right. TOP and in general any near-range system, such a target will be destroyed with guarantee.
For information: MANPADS Igla-S, destroys small anti-tank missiles in the opposite direction. On 10 launches - 10 hits with one missile. Of course, missiles from the MANPADS do not fall directly into the rocket. But due to the contactless fuse, the target is destroyed with guarantee. And about such bombs and say nothing. This is not a remedy against C-300. These are just targets for short-range air defense systems designed to train trainees and train combat skills of personnel.

[keylogger]

advertising so-called The iron dome was much cooler than the advertised product.

[SKUBBI]

write correctly ... in RUSSIAN ....

[KCC]

For every sly bomb we have our own Armor or TOP.

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

Well, around one real SZ00, you can set up a bunch of inflatable layouts with false radios and heat signals.
Active opposition to enemy intelligence will deprive him of accurate data on the whereabouts of SZ00.

[atalef]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

Active opposition to enemy intelligence will deprive him of accurate data on the whereabouts of SZ00.

Yes, it’s after your comment that they will actively oppose. Israel definitely knew not only the location of the Syrian nuclear reactor, but also had photographs (published) of its interior. He knew about the place of concentration and time of the transmission of Hezbollah air defense systems. as well as about many other things (including the exact location of the depots at the airport in Damascus) I think that even bombs will not have to be spent on s-300. taking into account the distance and the possibility of barrel artillery, they can cover their usual self-propelled guns. because Arabs will tell about the whereabouts of s-300. even before that. how will he arrive at the deployment site

[series]

"Let's get suuuuu!" Jews defeated again .....

[slvevg]

I can not argue! East is a delicate matter!

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

because Arabs will tell about the whereabouts of s-300. even before that. how will he arrive at the deployment site

what is that is .. in general, this is the property of the "East" to bury and do not care what is the main thing the process itself ...

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

Thank you my friend - for the information - MR. ASAD GIVE THE TASK TO THE CONTRAST EXPLORATION SEEK THE MOLE IN YOUR SYSTEM.

[Black]

Quote: atalef

because Arabs will tell about the whereabouts of s-300. even before that. how will he arrive at the deployment site

And here our counterpart is right stopudovo!

[Timtom]

Lech, where did you see self-propelled guns with a range of 50 km? The C-300 has a range of 300 km. What other self-propelled guns can you cover them from the territory of another state, if they stand at 50 km from the border?
And in general, is it nothing that self-propelled guns that are located on the territory of one state hit at facilities located on the territory of another state? This is called an act of aggression and the actual declaration of war. You can then get a missile strike on self-propelled guns. And following your logic, not a retaliatory strike, but a FORWARD.

[mogus]

one hundred kilometers.
The radius of the C 300 is greater. A bomb without an engine - to glide 100 km. you need to drop it from a sufficiently large height. At the ground, you can still "hide" behind the terrain, but at a height? .. (in the sense of a carrier, after all, someone has to deliver it to a height on something and enter the air defense engagement zone).

[Professor]

Quote: mogus

one hundred kilometers.
The radius of the C 300 is greater. A bomb without an engine - to glide 100 km. you need to drop it from a sufficiently large height. At the ground, you can still "hide" behind the terrain, but at a height? .. (in the sense of a carrier, after all, someone has to deliver it to a height on something and enter the air defense engagement zone).

Take a look at the map. From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers. C-place in the desert away from Assad's bunker?

[Vanek]

Quote: professor

From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers.

Damn, how small everything is. I’m going to the country house for forty kilometers.

Good afternoon Professor.

[Professor]

Quote: Vanek

I’m going to the country house for forty kilometers.

To testify?

[Vanek]

Everything can be and everything can be. But only that cannot be, which indeed cannot be.

Quote: professor

To testify?

Yeah. Every weekend. Friday back, Sunday back.

[mogus]

I'm not an aviator.
What drop height should be in order to glide 60 km? About 5, no less ..? (each product has its own standards). Why place an S-300 near Damascus? Its coverage area will be sufficient with the North / North-East setting (there will be time for reaction. Harder to get.). In addition, long-range air defense should be combined with short-range ones, "TOR, PANTSIR", which are made for such bombs.
I do not suffer from anti-Semitism and give my vision of the situation. If the S-300 is delivered, it will be for the "friends of Syria." IMHO.
P.S. There is an element of the A-135 system in Kazakhstan, but it seems that Moscow is protecting ...

[tlauicol]

is the task of C-300 to survive or cover objects? if you survive, then you can leave in Russia, only Damascus will be bombed

[mogus]

The S-300 is not Igla / Strela MANPADS, which is not a pity to lose ... And you can't take it from the warehouse ...

[xan]

Quote: Tlauicol

is the task of C-300 to survive or cover objects? if you survive, then you can leave in Russia, only Damascus will be bombed

wrote nonsense

[Snake831]

I totally agree! "Thor" and "Pantsir-S" are specifically designed to counteract such ammunition and are sharpened!

[atalef]

Quote: Snake831

I totally agree! "Thor" and "Pantsir-S" are specifically designed to counteract such ammunition and are sharpened!

Similarly, the latest results of the combat use of the Torah, Buk and Shell in Syria are proof of this.

[tlauicol]

Tovagishch is right - the Syrian air defense has already "shown" itself against the Israeli Air Force.

[Scoun]

Quote: Tlauicol

Tovagishch is right - the Syrian air defense has already "shown" itself against the Israeli Air Force.

atalef is certainly right ... but as usual the devil is in the details and about the details there are just the least words.

Quote: atalef

Similarly, the latest results of the combat use of the Torah, Buk and Shell in Syria are proof of this.

Quote: Scoun

1. The country is essentially fighting an internal war with an adversary who has no state and borders and who has no aviation
2. The blow you struck was essentially in the back and the last one also on Easter night
3. The blow you struck without crossing the borders of a country which, although it does not have a peace treaty with you, does not wage an open war. and if (suppose) the plane were shot down outside the borders of Syria, you would be the first to wring your hands with the words the bloody regime shot down our pigeon who did not even think to attack and did not cross the border at all.

I agree with you and atalef, both of you are telling the truth which is confirmed by facts .. but the reverse side is silent ... which actually causes irritation. If you discuss, then discuss, otherwise I can tell the same truth just without negotiating the whole truth ...

[atalef]

Quote: Scoun

If you discuss, then discuss, otherwise I can tell the same truth just without negotiating the whole truth

please

But Prime Minister Ehud Olmert made a decision without focusing on the United States. 5 September 2007 years, he ordered the bombing of the Syrian nuclear reactor.

Eight Israeli Air Force fighters - four F-15 and F-16 each, took off shortly before midnight. Syrian air defenses were disabled by electronic scrambling devices. Between 00: 40 and 00: 53, 17 tons of explosives were dropped onto a nuclear reactor.

http://www.israel7.ru/News/News.aspx/154646#.UcgZUTsqzjo
2007 year - Syria at the top of its power. as I understand it, there is no war. quiet and smooth, Assad on the throne.
How about this?

[tlauicol]

that's minus Atalef put for the fact that he is a Jew? or for giving an uncomfortable example again? or just uncomfortable when they make a fool?

[Rink]

Quote: Tlauicol

Tovagishch is right - the Syrian air defense has already "shown" itself against the Israeli Air Force.

Syrian air defense proved to be on the Turkish scout Fantom RF4E, which was not saved either by high speed or extremely low altitude.
But Assad had the patience not to respond to Israeli provocations, which the Jews did not expect. Yes, Assad suffered losses from this blow, but he avoided drawing into a conflict with Israel at such an inappropriate moment for him. But Israel showed its face to the whole world, and Assad happened to have Quseir, Aleppo and С300, who Jewish spies and informants, having run around all of Syria still can not understand - they are, or aren't? It is not for nothing that Russia and Syria made a series of mutually exclusive statements with disagreements and ambiguities.

But you can be sure that even if the Jews stage the next provocation in order to "show" these complexes, they will not be revealed. Assad will not use them. And they will manifest themselves only in the case of attempts at external intervention, massive raids and attempts to establish no-fly zones. Then the C300 will suddenly appear out of nowhere.

Until then, let the unknown make Israel fidget, get nervous and do faux pas. This is even better.

PS And by the way, in the Russian army there are a sufficient number of С300 inflatable divisions, which are indistinguishable from the real ones either externally or by thermal signatures. And they even have the necessary simulators of radar detection.
So even when the C300 comes into play, you will need to work to figure out where the real ones are and where the blows will fall into the void, in the mountains and deserts. And С300 will not lose time; in automatic mode, detection-capture-start is very fast. and a few minutes after the shot, the C300 may not already be at that place.
So, you are welcome, fly to us "on the light"!

[xan]

Quote: Tlauicol

Tovagishch is right - the Syrian air defense has already "shown" itself against the Israeli Air Force.

what it showed there is not yet clear
and you Jews have already taken off

[tlauicol]

I am Russian. it’s just a shame for Russians who, apart from anti-Semitism and nationalism, cannot say anything clever

[mogus]

from the history of the creation of "Armor C1".
At the beginning of the 90, for obvious reasons the lack of money, the company survived and received an order to create a short-range air defense system. Customers Arabs.
At the test-display of the product, the conditions were set for the customer: time, direction, quantity, types of targets are unknown. Two (or three) days were on duty. Rockets were fired at a small interval in the amount of 13pcs. All shot down.
And to you, to refresh your memory http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/world/middleeast/israels-iron-dome-system-is-a
t-center-of-debate.html? pagewanted = all & _r = 2 &

You and I don’t know what was really there.

[igor36]

Quote: mogus

What should be the dump height in order to plan 60 km? About 5, no less ..? (each product has its own standards)

I think a lot more - 10-13 km. It also depends on the reset speed.

[domokl]

Quote: professor

Take a look at the map. From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers.

And what do we have then? The Government of Israel, is ready to sacrifice its state and its children and the elderly to achieve the supposedly democratic goals of cannibals from the Syrian opposition? You understand very well that the advertised air defense system of Israel is designed for self-made missiles. It means blood and deaths and Israel does not to avoid...
It is doubtful something.

[Professor]

Quote: domokl

And what do we have then? The Government of Israel, is ready to sacrifice its state and its children and the elderly to achieve the supposedly democratic goals of cannibals from the Syrian opposition? You understand very well that the advertised air defense system of Israel is designed for self-made missiles. It means blood and deaths and Israel does not to avoid...
It is doubtful something.

Solid emotions. Thousands of non-improvised missiles were launched across Israel, including those more powerful than Iskander, and the state did not cease to exist.

[avant-garde]

Quote: professor

and the state did not cease to exist

It's a pity

[mogus]

purely technical curiosity.

more powerful
Iskander

in terms of explosive charge or electronics and the ability to maneuver with overloads up to 20 (30) G?

[Professor]

Quote: mogus

in terms of explosive charge or electronics and the ability to maneuver with overloads up to 20 (30) G?

Neither maneuvering, nor electronics bring damage, but only the explosive charge. Iskander’s weight is less than 500 kg, even Scuds were fired at Israel with a warhead weight twice that of the non-existing Iskander warhead.

[Professor]

Quote: S-200

proHVESSOR "teach materiel" ... about maneuvering, electronics and other damage

Young man, once again pervert my nickname replenish with your person the Black List of rude and amateur. I clearly explain?

[series]

What so familiarly allows you to contact me?
By age I can be older than you ...
I won’t complain ... I don’t have such a Jewish habit

[Professor]

Quote: S-200

ProHessor

That's what.
Complaining is not a Jewish habit, but the right and duty of law-abiding citizens.

[mogus]

Professor, are we losing you? What can cause "SCUD" with its range of hundreds of meters? Even nuclear weapons reduce charges with increased accuracy. Iskander's deviation on the final path is no more than 5 meters. Maybe cover the area, maybe pointwise. Also, the image of the target is laid in the memory of the rocket.

lacking worldwide tax

- enviously? (It’s not you who are not writing texts. Everyone gets bored).
The weight of the warhead 480 kg., To be exact. But with a deviation of no more than 5 meters ...

[Professor]

Quote: mogus

Iskander's deviation on the final path is no more than 5 meters.

And that he will destroy warhead weighing 480 kg? Haifu? Aerodrome?

Quote: mogus

Also in the memory of the rocket is the image of the target.

That's just no fantasy please. Iskander optoelectronic GOS?

[leon-iv]

Tinplate blood snot and Iskander
For reference, yes, the iskaneder can go to war in Israel and get caught and not be intercepted. But what is he in Syria? And yes, OTRK will not be used against airfields.

[mogus]

And that he will destroy warhead weighing 480 kg? Haifu? Aerodrome?

Penetrating bombs for destroying runways and fortifications weigh 500 kg (youtube "polygon. SU-34" from the 23rd minute). Penetrates concrete pavement and explodes at depth. The funnel is about 5 meters in diameter. For Iskander, there are penetrating warheads.

That's just no fantasy please. Iskander optoelectronic GOS?

Yes. http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-185.html http://missiles.ru/TBM.htm

To fantasize about the shelling of Israel with Iskander, you have to smoke, so that it kicks in ...

[Wedmak]

And that he will destroy warhead weighing 480 kg? Haifu? Aerodrome?

Escander has several different warheads. Including a cassette warhead, which is able to cover a half-airfield, damaging the concrete track, equipment and people.

[atalef]

Quote: Wedmak

And that he will destroy warhead weighing 480 kg? Haifu? Aerodrome?
Escander has several different warheads. Including a cassette warhead, which is able to cover a half-airfield, damaging the concrete track, equipment and people.
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I don’t understand, but how will Iskander reach haifa? From Russia, or what? In Syria they are not, and never will be.

[Wedmak]

Did I really talk about Haifa? In fact, shelling a city with ammunition operating over an area is a sign of idiocy. Mishiko-delicious-tie is proof of this. So do not substitute my answer for your fantasies.

[Professor]

Quote: Wedmak

Escander has several different warheads. Including a cassette warhead, which is able to cover a half-airfield, damaging the concrete track, equipment and people.

Concrete is repaired in minutes using special foam. People and equipment are in concrete shelters.

[Wedmak]

Concrete is repaired in minutes using special foam.

It doesn’t matter if the warhead unit makes such a hole that you are filled up with foam.
By the way, I’ve heard about the miracle foam, but where is the photo of this magical substance?

[Professor]

Quote: Wedmak

It doesn’t matter if the warhead unit makes such a hole that you are filled up with foam.

At each Israeli airbase there is a full-time Siluk Ptsatsot subdivision dealing with bomb disposal and elimination of the consequences of their impact. A large funnel will be flooded with bulldozers ... The greatest headache is caused by time bombs (an hour, two, a day, a week ...). You have to tinker with them using robots, etc. But this has already been done in practice more than once.

Quote: Wedmak

By the way, I’ve heard about the miracle foam, but where is the photo of this magical substance?

Personally, I have not met, only read that Tsahal bought such a thing.

[domokl]

Quote: professor

Thousands of non-improvised missiles were launched across Israel, including those more powerful than Iskander, and the state did not cease to exist.

God grant you to continue to exist. But with such moods it is more and more problematic. It is one thing to fight with terrorists, another with states and with real support not only from you, but also from them.

[atalef]

Quote: domokl

It is one thing to fight terrorists, another to fight with states and with real support not only from you, but also from them.

You're right, it’s harder with terrorists. With Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Jordan, it took - from 6 days (On six days) to 18 days on (Doomsday). After that, more than 40 years of silence (between states) with terror is more complicated

Quote: domokl

and with real support not only of you, but also of them

Well, damn it, Alexander - what kind of support the USSR gave them all, we never dreamed of. Tanks captured in wars (t-eshki) are still used.
Alexander read about the military supplies of the USSR - Egypt, Iraq, Syria --- yes you yourself know.

[series]

Quote: atalef

Well, damn it, Alexander - what kind of support the USSR gave them all, we never dreamed of

You just dream of the BEST in the world - american : airplanes, guns, dollars ...

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

Alexander read about the military supplies of the USSR - Egypt

Ohh .. remember .. and then once and for several billions a year Hosni Mubarak sold himself to the United States ... do not let the East eat, but let’s bargain .. personally, I would not have bargained with an "eastern" person without "marked cards"

[atalef]

Quote: Scoun

Og .. remember .. and then once a few billion a year, Hosni Mubarak sold to the United States ..

Once understood. that you won’t cook porridge with the USSR and Israel cannot be defeated, despite the 40 contingent of SA in Egypt.

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

Once understood. that you can’t cook porridge with the USSR and Israel cannot be defeated

I think now you are just distorting ...
Maybe we recall what it was like for the state of Israel when MiG-25 began to be driven over Israel?

After the sudden death of Nasser, the new leadership of the country limited reconnaissance flights. And soon an ultimatum followed during 24 hours to withdraw the MiGs from Egypt. When everything was ready for the flight, Egyptian tanks left for the runway. They managed to settle the conflict through diplomatic means, and a day later the arriving Antei took away the equipment and people. So ended the first combat page in the history of the MIG-25.
To the story of a test pilot, it is advisable to make two additions. During the invasion of Israeli airspace MIG-25, gaining altitude more than 18.000 m over its territory, several times fired at the Hawk anti-aircraft missiles. However, all the gaps were recorded below the path of the flight of the scout. Nor could the paths of the MIG-25 high-altitude and absolutely fighter-bomber "Phantom" cross the paths.

and only after almost 10 years were they able to trap the first MiG 25 with the support of Hokkai, two scouts and the F-15 // but what these planes did in their time is still priceless.

In those far days of the 1973 year, the question of the possibility of an Israeli air strike on the high Aswan Dam, shortly before that, in the 1970 year, built in Egypt on the Nile River with the help of the Soviet Union, was actively discussed. The dam was then called the "eighth wonder of the world." It really was and still is a unique structure. Even on a global scale. Its height is 110 m, length is 4 km, the volume of the reservoir that it holds with its concrete body is 160 billion cubic meters. m of water. If the dam could be destroyed, then a wave with a height of 80 – 100 m could wash away all the cities and towns of Egyptand in the Red and Mediterranean Seas. It would be a global catastrophe that would lead to a nuclear war. At least in Moscow in the highest echelons of power there were rumors that in response to a similar development our aviation will be forced to deliver a nuclear strike against Israel.

And so of course .. in the traps and traps you probably have no equal .. although the Anglo-Saxons can stretch but by meanness and cruelty they will give you a big head start ..
and of course, it was impossible to cook porridge with the USSR .. they drank such a dam ....
Shaking the air is not difficult))

[SSR]

Quote: atalef

Once understood. that you won’t cook porridge with the USSR and Israel cannot be defeated, despite the 40 contingent of SA in Egypt.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmed Davutoglu outraged that Bashar al-Assad did not attack Israel

publication time: February 2 2013, 17: 09
last updated: February 2 2013, 17: 19



Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu sharply criticized Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who "did not react in any way" to the Israeli air force's air strikes against targets in Syria.

"Why didn't he do anything against Israel, why didn't he at least throw a stone when the planes flew over his palace?" - quotes the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Turkish edition of Hurriet.

"Why has the Syrian army, which has been actively using aircraft against its own people over the past 22 months, not responded to the Israeli operation?" Davutoglu said. "Why has Assad not done anything against Israel while he is bombing his own innocent civilians?"

Davutoglu suggested that the Israeli attack was coordinated with Bashar al-Assad, and that Assad has some kind of "secret agreement" with Israel.

The Turkish Foreign Minister stressed that "Syria must do what any attacked state would do," and added that "Turkey will not sit idly by when Israel attacks a Muslim country."

Patriot but yes Syemochka?

[Urcom]

And can you give more details about "more powerful than Iskander", perhaps "Satan" is meant?

[Scoun]

Quote: professor

Thousands of Non-Improvised Missiles Launched in Israel including more powerful Iskander

that's honestly .. you can read more from this place .. just really interesting ... what kind of rocket? scad?

[atalef]

Quote: domokl

And then what do we have? The Government of Israel is ready to sacrifice its state and its children and old people to achieve the supposedly democratic goals of cannibals from the Syrian opposition

Why? Assad could have made peace with Israel long ago (like Egypt and Jordan), having returned the Golan and peace. But he wants by military means. let him try.

Quote: domokl

You perfectly understand that the advertised air defense system of Israel is designed for self-made missiles

I perfectly understand that the Israeli air defense system was used in battle and proved to be effective, giving a quiet life to the inhabitants of the south, by the way, tonight, 2 hail was shot down over Ashkelon (the rest of the 4 were blown up in the desert). Beeches and Carapace in battle are tested - effectiveness - 0, with-300 will -see.
Unlike your weapon, ours is constantly fighting. not jumping on jumps. probably because 7 millionth of Israel in 5-k arms manufacturers in the world.

Quote: domokl

. Means blood and deaths and Israel can not be avoided.

Over the 20 years I have survived the 2 wars, 5 military operations and the intifada - we are familiar, these are our realities surrounded by 700 million Arabs and sympathizers

[domokl]

Quote: atalef

Over the 20 years I have survived the 2 wars, 5 military operations and the intifada - we are familiar, these are our realities surrounded by 700 million Arabs and sympathizers

Then why are you provoking these very realities? Will such statements as those that some of your citizens even make here not cause another provocation by radical youth?
Well, it’s not clear to us why to rattle with arms, to inflict airstrikes on defenseless neighbors, such as the fight against terrorism (and what right does this give you to strike at a sovereign state?). So, excuse me, but there is no pity for you anymore ... There has been no sympathy for the Arabs for a long time, but sympathy for you too ...

[atalef]

Quote: domokl

Then why are you provoking these very realities?

It’s strange. I somehow see. that all the wars were declared to us and Assad didn’t show any desire to make peace.

Quote: domokl

Really such statements as those that some of your citizens even make here will not provoke yet another provocation from the side of radical youth?

For what youth

Quote: domokl

Well, it’s not clear to us why to rattle with weapons, to inflict airstrikes on defenseless neighbors

Damn, already squeezed a tear. How to Assad to sponsor all ter groupings blowing up buses is normal. How to attack us is the same OK And how to get p ... her- so defenseless neighbors.

Quote: domokl

and what right does it give you to strike at a sovereign state?)

It is strange with us, Jordan and Egypt, the world and no one is bombing anyone. Why does Assad not want the world?

Quote: domokl

. So, excuse me, but you no longer have pity for you.

Yes, we do not need anyone's pity, weak people feel sorry and wipe their feet, respect the strong hate. Such is the lodge in BV.

Quote: domokl

There has been no sympathy for the Arabs for a long time, but sympathy for you too ...

I understand you perfectly. sometimes I look at myself in the mirror, 45 five-year-old, bald face

[vsa-xnumx]

atalef

"sometimes I look at myself in the mirror, 45 five years old, bald face"

Sorry for the curiosity: the lieutenant colonel of the Israeli special forces "Atalef", who gave an interview to RTR on 02.06.13/XNUMX/XNUMX, is that not you?

[atalef]

Quote: vsa-7

Sorry for the curiosity: Lieutenant Colonel of the Israeli special forces "Atalef", who gave an interview to RTR on 02.06.13/XNUMX/XNUMX. it's not you ?

Alas

[Jin]

Quote: atalef

Beeches and Shells tested in battle - effectiveness - 0,

So I read everything, I read you, straight * ram * ram our weapon, yours is constantly at war ... and in Syria, whose is fighting, not ours? And at the expense of Bukov and Armor, here in their combat calculations the matter is that they are not experts and in the absence of experience from the commanders ... I saw Armor burned on the march, along with the column that he covered ... so what? If these * fuckers with them (Shell) "covered" this column in an unreadable form ... while they (the Syrians) think that it is enough to have the Shells as such, and not really use them, so it will be, so they will burn. And to say that the efficiency is 0 is not worth it ... This is the training of the Syrian calculations 0, and this is completely different. The "opposition" also drenched their troops, as they wanted, until our specialists taught the Syrians the wisdom ... We were always taught this way: "A tank is not so terrible as its untrained crew!" And there is no need for such grandiloquent statements about the effectiveness of our weapons ... Judge objectively, since you take it, IMHO

[atalef]

Quote: Jin

Here I read everything, I read you, our weapon is straight * ram * ram

If we talk about air defense, then r ... oh better. you can use it even for fertilizer,

Quote: Jin

And at the expense of Bukov and the Shell, here in their combat calculations it’s a matter that they are not specialists and the commanders lack experience.

What's the point? For some reason, American weapons work for us. and your Syrians do not? Tell me why ? Maybe the advisers did not train the calculations. may be something else. But they will say one thing, your weapon did not work. Or do you think that the Syrians will say that they are suckers?

Quote: Jin

And you do not need such high-sounding statements about the effectiveness of our weapons ... Objectively judge, since you take it, IMHO

Yes, much more objective. ; bombing. Air defense did not even respond, much more honest.

[Jin]

Quote: atalef

If we talk about air defense, then r ... oh better. you can use it even for fertilizer,

I’m not an Aries specialist, but not everyone is suitable for fertilizer ... well, that’s it, a bunch in a puddle, I understood your opinion about our air defense systems ...

Quote: atalef

What's the point? For some reason, American weapons work for us. and your Syrians do not? Tell me why ? Maybe the advisers did not train the calculations. may be something else. But they will say one thing, your weapon did not work. Or do you think that the Syrians will say that they are suckers?

the Syrians also work with us, with whom (on which) they have been fighting for a long time! And it works very effectively! New - doesn't work! Yes, no skill, yes, poorly learned! You can also shoot in different ways with a grenade launcher, even if theoretically, you can do it ... especially in combat! There are unique ones from all 4 shots (3 from the "hump", one in the RPG), they were smeared on the target !!! But it didn't work, not our weapon! People didn't work! A weapon without a man is a bunch of iron (I don't open America). What's the use of the monkey's grenade? Yes, only one danger. Syrians? Of course they won't say that they are suckers! Of course the weapon is bad!

Quote: atalef

Yes, much more objective. ; bombing. Air defense did not even respond, much more honest.

And the "air defense" itself should react? What is an advanced cyber organism?
Again, people did not respond! Or there was no order, which Assad most likely fears to shoot down Israeli planes, fears a direct conflict ... otherwise, with all the drawbacks in Syrian air defense, Israeli F-16s would burn with bright buds. I am not against Israel, I try to be objective.

[Jin]

Quote: atalef

For some reason, American weapons work for us. and the Syrians do not have yours? Explain why ?

When, at the beginning of the mess, the opposition hammered the reg army, our weapons also did not work? And when the "answer" went, suddenly it worked? No, just literate Russian guys finally explained to the Syrians what to do with this very weapon and how to do it correctly. And Pantsir is not an AK or even a T-72, both in tactics and in complexity. I went to the BMP the first time, yes, bad, but went! But with a shell, this trick will not work! There is one theory for months! How long has Carapace been in Syria? Even if the calculations were taught in Russia, but that would be practical shooting ...

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

Yes, much more objective. ; bombing. The air defense didn’t even react much more honest.

It is worth recognizing that all of your bombing was essentially special operations involving the maximum special forces and means .. and each time essentially differently ... I do not detract from the merits of your air forces this is really a competent development ... but in fact it’s all the same that 10 civilians .. using a 3D printer and other modern technologies will prepare the operation and kill the sentry at the post and cause damage to the guarded object, and it is quite possible that they can do it in another place but in a modified way ... but it's really hard to fight. .. and you know it perfectly and generally use it.

[INVESTOR]

The Wehrmacht, too, about Soviet weapons in 41 thought so.

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

Why Assad could have made peace with Israel long ago(like Egypt and Jordan), having received back the Golan and calm. But he wants by military means . let him try.

Let me answer you with my old "post".

Earlier, in December 2008, Erdogan thwarted the peace talks between Israel and Syria, in which the Turks were mediators. During the Arab Spring, Erdogan, with active US support, promoted the Turkish model as a model for Islamic revolutions, and himself as its leader. From the very beginning of the civil conflict in Syria, Turkey acted as a provocateur, organizer and sponsor of the anti-Syrian Islamist opposition together with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel.
And everything almost coincides in time ...............
Roland DUMA, ex-Foreign Minister of France

In an interview with French television channel LCP former head of the Foreign Ministry, Roland Dumas said:

“I intend to tell you something. Two years before the outbreak of violence in Syria, I was in England, on completely different matters. There I met with senior British officials, and they confirmed to me that they were up to something in Syria. Everything was planned in England, not in America, and Britain was organizing rebel uprisings in Syria. They even asked me - although I have long been no foreign minister - do I want to participate in this? Naturally, I refused, saying that I am a Frenchman, and such matters do not interest me. ”

Dumas did not stop there and read the channel audience a short lecture about the real causes of the war, which claimed at the moment the lives of tens of thousands of people.

«This operation was conceived long ago. She was prepared, predetermined her course and planned.

[atalef]

Quote: Scoun

Let me answer you with my old "post".

When Sadat wanted peace, he simply turned to the people of Israel and the government in an open appeal, why Assad needs intermediaries (such as the crazy Erdogan) - you can directly, the main desire.

[Scoun]

Quote: atalef

the main desire.

but there’s a double-edged sword .. can you admit the thought that this is not wish the state of Israel itself .. that it can smell its regional profit .. after all, it is the Sunnis who are the main sponsors and they began to dangle to you for coordination of actions .. maybe Israel has its own "bets" on the Shiites of the Sunnis
PS.
It has long been no secret "to say one thing and do another"
or whatever .. "before they hammer the pig under the neck, they scratch it"

[11 black]

Quote: atalef

I perfectly understand that the Israeli air defense system was used in battle and proved to be effective, giving a quiet life to the inhabitants of the south, by the way, tonight, 2 hail was shot down over Ashkelon (the rest of the 4 were blown up in the desert). Beeches and Carapace in battle are tested - effectiveness - 0, with-300 will -see.
Unlike your weapon, ours is constantly fighting. not jumping on jumps. probably because 7 millionth of Israel in 5-k arms manufacturers in the world.

Listen, I’ve been watching your crazy talker for a long time.
YOU ARE CORRECTING FACTS FOR YOURSELF
I'm talking about the zero efficiency of beeches and shells ... well, you yourself understand that this is idiocy ... I will explain in more detail:
the beeches as well as the shells are intended for the CLOSE cover of the guarded object, the range of the beech is 40 km, the shell is 20 - Israel has guided bombs analogous to JDAM that fly almost 100 km, it is obvious that Israeli aviation did not enter the Syrian air defense range (no, if you have kamikaze ...) answer me how BUK could bring down an aircraft outside its affected area ... you don’t have to demand the impossible from it, I’m convinced your aircraft never entered their affected area, and here the history of the meeting of the Turkish F4 is indicative f ntoma our armor, which ended with the destruction of the first instant cost him enter the affected area ... here is an example of combat use of our arms.
point 2 - to reset JDAM to the maximum range, you must be at an altitude of 9-10 km at maximum speed, those must be an ideal target for the C300, which is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 150-200km
which means that you will not be able to use the old tactics, you will have to go down lower so as not to get into the "radio horizon" of the C300, but then you will have to get close to the target and stay outside the zone of destruction of BUKs, and then it will already be possible to talk about the effectiveness BUKov, and I'm sure then they will show themselves ...

PS you, like any "democrat", have a talent for twisting facts, you set yourself a victory for a breakthrough of the NEAR self-defense complexes even without entering their zone of destruction, despite the fact that these complexes are only a part (pardon the pun) of an integrated air defense system / There is no missile defense system in Syria yet, there is no "far hand" that would not allow attacking targets with subtle JDAMs from distances beyond the reach of BUKs, with the advent of the C300 this far arm will appear, and with proper planning, you can create an air defense / missile defense complex, and then all the links of this system will be connected in 1 chain (the far hand c300 - destruction of aircraft carriers BUK - destruction of the released weapons of attack PANTSIR), and then I will look at your comments on the value of our BUKs. IMHO

[albanec]

You are a strange person. If Assad falls and terrorists come to power in Syria, what do you think, where will they turn their eyes first? To this rabble that is against Syria now legally elected government fighting, Israel will not stockpile any bombs.

[rolik]

Quote: professor

Take a look at the map. From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers.

So Israeli planes can be shot down immediately after take-off It is very convenient, and even if the "Tornado" pdtyanut yes along the airfield)))), in general, beauty.

[Professor]

Quote: rolik

This means that Israeli planes can be shot down immediately after take-off. It is very convenient, and even if the "Tornado" is pushed along the airfield)))), in general, beauty.

Easy. When the radar learns to shine through the mountains ...

[rolik]

Quote: professor

Easy. When the radar learns to shine through the mountains ...

And why a radar that shines through the mountains ??? There is a radio interception of conversations, gunners (it’s enough to have a mobile phone)))), or if you’re absolutely safe (fiction of course), hang a satellite at a geostationary.

[Scoun]

Quote: professor

From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers.

damn .. More recently, just before work was 130 km

[Evgeny_Lev]

So I didn’t understand, is it yours that, in the subject of the article, against Assad (or his bunker in Damascus) or all the same against the C 300? )))

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: professor

Take a look at the map. From Israel to the center of Damascus, less than 60 kilometers. C-place in the desert away from Assad's bunker? wink

The main thing that you would have time to run to the bunker .

[Timtom]

Well, your SPGs will be scattered, and other SPGs from Syria. Or rockets gouging.

[series]

I agree with you, the altitude and casting speed must be very "decent" for the UAB to throw 100 km. Or it must have a starting engine operating on the initial flight trajectory, so that when approaching the target in the infrared range, it does not "light up" ... and the corresponding throwing trajectory.
Dangerous little thing ...

[Professor]

Quote: S-200

I agree with you, the altitude and casting speed must be very "decent" for the UAB to throw 100 km. Or it must have a starting engine operating on the initial flight trajectory, so that when approaching the target in the IR range, it does not "shine"

You can’t write such nonsense with such a nickname. Here is her older sister, where is the engine?

Quote: regdan

The bomb has already been built or is it only in pictures and in models. If built, then I think there would be trials and PR people of all stripes relished this news. Until I see the real test "I do not believe".

Take an interest in Spice-100-Spice-2000 bombs and where are the PR guys?

[series]

This is where in my reasoning about your bomb you saw "stupidity"?

[Professor]

There are different PSAs, this one is planning. What are the engines of the planning bomb? This is not a cruise missile.
These bombs have already been tested in battle and no PR. You hear about them for the first time.

[series]

About your planners - for the first time! ))) I was not interested, you know ... Have you been interested in our Ball-S or Iskander-E?

[atalef]

Quote: S-200

Are you interested in our Ball-S or Iskander-E?

What for ? Russia supplies this to Syria or we are already going to fight with each other. The conversation is about that. what a simple and cheap answer Israel has on the s-300.

[series]

Well, yes ... they stand "rooted to the spot" - especially "Ball-S"! 3-5 m above the sea, 10 above the ground (for your vents)
And then the Israeli wood grouses were dissipated with their characteristic vanity ... "fish for export"
"From Russia with love !"
(Iskander-E, Bal-S)

[atalef]

Quote: S-200

"From Russia with love !"
(Iskander-E, Bal-S)

And hde all this?

[tlauicol]

okay to lie that - neither the Iskanders nor the Ball are in Syria, we have ONE division in Anapa, and then, the Ball is not able to hit ground targets, so forget about the vents

[series]

Seek, gentlemen of the Israelites, yes - bring it back!
And not that - they will find you...
SCRC amendment not "Ball" but - "Bastion"

[series]

"Bastion" - coastal anti -arable missile system. (wrong )

[SLAVOK]

well, as they say, spring will show where our bug relieves, you can find the answer to all weapons, but still I think it’s not right to mud the systems that are recognized as one of the best in their classes in the world, and not only Russian, but also most of the world specialists in the field of air defense, as one of our veteran pilot veterans said, it’s important that the pilot has his head and hands ... I mean, it’s not unimportant who controls the weapons. In any case, only the war will show who was right if it was not okay!

[Kirgudum]

Professor, from what altitude does the planning bomb need to be dropped so that it then flies 100 km (with loss of altitude with every kilometer traveled)? Or have you mixed up a bomb with a hang glider?

[Phantom Revolution]

She plans, sort of pointed with 13 km.

[series]

1. The shape of the "tailbone" of your bomb is not "aerodynamically" rounded, but flat, as for an engine support.
2. Planning bombs are powered by engines!
type - AG (M), "М"if the engine is installed
range increases to 200-300 km.

[Windbreak]

Engines are not going to be put on Russian KABs, but the roundness is not visible

[Vanek]

Israeli bomb capable of handling the S-300

How much was she paid?

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

Well, I think ISRAEL began active psychological pressure - MOL came up with a SUPER-SUPER BOMB against the C300.
Reception known since the time of Hitler is another miracle weapon.

[avant-garde]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

psychological pressure

On whom???

[Vanek]

Quote: avant-garde

On whom???

On the S-300

[avant-garde]

Quote: Vanek

On the S-300

Ahhh, yes it would be interesting to know the opinion of the complex itself regarding this bomb

[Andrey57]

The C-300 complex has already giggled to colic

[Sars]

MIG-25 at a speed of 2500 km / h from a height of 20 km sent bombs up to a maximum of 50 km.
What are the Israelis going to throw their bombs over 100 km?
This information is from the same category that Merkava is the best tank in the world - PR and lies.

[Black Colonel]

Then the bomb flew along a ballistic curve and was not planning.

[mogus]

still winged now ...

[Trailer]

BUGAGA! I remember - "Iron Dome" was not able to shoot down all the missiles, and chose only the best ones. Now, let him not get confused among the inflatable S-300 Jews to begin with.

[bootlegger]

That’s for sure! The same thought came to my mind right away. They will fight with cheap bombs with cheap inflatable toys.

Rafael Oren Uriel, vice president of marketing and business development, said the bomb is equipped with "an optoelectronic seeker and an algorithm that compares the target's image to a memorized bomb in an area saturated with GPS-disrupting agents." In his words: "The pilot can enter the target into the homing head before dropping or during flight."

[regdan]

The bomb has already been built or is it only in pictures and in models. If built, then I think there would be trials and PR people of all stripes relished this news. Until I see the real test "I do not believe".

[atalef]

Quote: regdan

The bomb has already been built or it is only in pictures and mock-ups.

Already built and presented in Le Bourget.

Quote: regdan

Until I see the real test "I do not believe".

Well, something like when selling (and for that they’re being taken to an air show) real characteristics with test results are declared, not booklets and promises.

[Tatarus]

The unique people of you. Never admit your wrong. Although what a unique ... Or what kind of people ... I feel sorry for you scammers.

[atalef]

Quote: Tatarus

The unique people of you. Never admit your wrong

It’s even more unique to consider everyone around us wrong

Quote: Tatarus

Or what kind of people ... I feel sorry for you defenders.

And of course, by the very people and the only full-fledged
If you are so smart ........? Continue or you’ll finish it yourself?

[regdan]

I saw the S-300 launches; I did not see the bomb tests against the S-300. I saw the bomb only on computer graphics.

Quote: atalef

Well, something like when selling (and for that they’re being taken to an air show) real characteristics with test results are declared, not booklets and promises.

Well, I can also bring a lot of things to the aerospace salon in pictures and in computer graphics. Kint links to test videos, and not to the cartoon in the article.

[atalef]

Quote: regdan

I saw the S-300 launches, I did not see the bomb tests against the S-300

How do you imagine this?
In general, no one saw the s-300 in business (combat situation).

[series]

Let it for you will "suprise"

[Tatarus]

Yes, nonsense seems. Their planes cannot even reach their original range. And they can not return back. The world's first Jewish kamikaze?

Moreover, the s-300 also covers the territory of Israel completely (if I'm not mistaken). Israeli DeZa. Even if the bomb is as they say, they do not have effective delivery vehicles. It's like a gauss gun story. There is technology, but there are no energy sources of the right size.

[Professor]

Quote: Tatarus

Yes, nonsense seems. Their planes cannot even reach their original range. And they can not return back. The world's first Jewish kamikaze?

If the case took place in the steppes of Kherson, then you would be right.

Quote: Tatarus

Moreover, c-300 also covers the territory of Israel completely (if I'm not mistaken).

So what?

Quote: Tatarus

Even if the bomb is as they say, they do not have effective delivery vehicles.

16 units on only one F-16, and there are not one or two such aircraft at AOI.

Quote: Tatarus

There is technology, but there are no energy sources of the right size.

Garvitation, dear

[atalef]

Quote: Tatarus

Yes, nonsense seems. Their planes cannot even reach their original range. And they can not return back. The world's first Jewish kamikaze?

And so 4 times over the past 3 years.

[xan]

[quote = atalef] And so 4 times over the last 3 years. [/ quote]
they already answered you, shustrik
but you preferred not to notice the answer

11black at 20.21
Listen, I’ve been watching your crazy talker for a long time.
YOU ARE CORRECTING FACTS FOR YOURSELF
I'm talking about the zero efficiency of beeches and shells ... well, you yourself understand that this is idiocy ... I will explain in more detail:
the beeches as well as the shells are intended for the CLOSE cover of the guarded object, the range of the beech is 40 km, the shell is 20 - Israel has guided bombs analogous to JDAM that fly almost 100 km, it is obvious that Israeli aviation did not enter the Syrian air defense range (no, if you have kamikaze ...) answer me how BUK could bring down an aircraft outside its affected area ... you don’t have to demand the impossible from it, I’m convinced your aircraft never entered their affected area, and here the history of the meeting of the Turkish F4 is indicative f ntoma our armor, which ended with the destruction of the first instant cost him enter the affected area ... here is an example of combat use of our arms.
point 2 - to reset JDAM to the maximum range, you must be at an altitude of 9-10 km at maximum speed, those must be an ideal target for the C300, which is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 150-200km
which means that you will not be able to use the old tactics, you will have to go down lower so as not to get into the "radio horizon" of the C300, but then you will have to get close to the target and stay outside the zone of destruction of BUKs, and then it will already be possible to talk about the effectiveness BUKov, and I'm sure then they will show themselves ...

PS you, like any "democrat", have a talent for twisting facts, you set yourself a victory for a breakthrough of the NEAR self-defense complexes even without entering their zone of destruction, despite the fact that these complexes are only a part (pardon the pun) of an integrated air defense system / There is no missile defense system in Syria yet, there is no "far hand" that would not allow attacking targets with subtle JDAMs from distances beyond the reach of BUKs, with the advent of the C300 this far arm will appear, and with proper planning, you can create an air defense / missile defense complex, and then all the links of this system will be connected in 1 chain (the far hand c300 - destruction of aircraft carriers BUK - destruction of the released weapons of attack PANTSIR), and then I will look at your comments on the value of our BUKs. IMHO [/ quote]

[series]

There is a "far arm" in Syria - at least two two-channel C-200VE groups (according to NATO classification SAM-5), the distant affected area is over 250 km. If modified, then 300 km.

[My address]

Fizz, so french. Cho already 100 km! Give a claim on 500km!

Elementary desa for the enemy. Even a glider is difficult. Maximum 15 km when reset with 10. Otherwise soooo need wings!

[sanych]

Quote: My address

Elementary desa for the enemy. Even a glider is difficult. Maximum 15 km when reset with 10. Otherwise soooo need wings!

Quote: My address

MIG-25 at a speed of 2500 km / h from a height of 20 km sent bombs up to a maximum of 50 km.
What are the Israelis going to throw their bombs over 100 km?

You guys are "a little" wrong! The Israeli bomb is just a "winged" bomb and it can glide from a great height over a fairly long distance. The MiG-25 used conventional bombs, without additional plumage, only heat-resistant, and then - at 40 km. stacked! Compare the ammo yourself ... So anything is possible.

[My address]

Nope! "Maybe" and guaranteed "will" are different. I don't understand aerodynamics, but there is no UAB with an aerodynamic quality of about 10 and never will be. It's not profitable.

[ammunition]

There is only one way out. - shoot down all aircraft within a radius of 150 km. If there is no answer to the request - "I am mine".

[PSih2097]

"Any object larger than a lighter is considered a probable enemy of the Russian fighter plane, which delayed the response to the request" friend or foe "for more than three seconds." - Alexander Zorich "Tomorrow is War".

I think the Syrians should do the same.

[rolik]

Quote: ammunition

Shoot down all aircraft within a radius of 150 km.

Note the drop radius of this bomb and the radius of the air defense system, in order to drop the bomb you still have to enter the affected area. If you only go to small, and then sharply gain altitude and perform a reset. But this also has its own countermeasures. so that, in any case, the plane can (and should) be brought down.

[darksoul]

Depending on the missiles used, the S-300 can hit aerodynamic targets at ranges of up to 200 km, in height up to 30 km. The meaning of this smart bomb if the Jews in the zone of defeat of the air defense system will be before they drop their smart bomb

[atalef]

Quote: darksoul

Depending on the missiles used, the S-300 can hit aerodynamic targets at ranges of up to 200 km, in height up to 30 km. The meaning of this smart bomb if the Jews in the zone of defeat of the air defense system will be before they drop their smart bomb

\ The point is that from Israel to the center of Damascus 60 km, or s-300, will begin to bring down all planes over Israel? Well, how many missiles does she need (so the question) to bring down 16 bombs dropped from just one plane - just 16! !! in case of defeat of all. and then ---- 1.5 hours recharge. So how is it ? And if 5 planes (which are just trifles) or 30 or 50 or 80 or 190 (this is only F-16). Well, time to fill up a couple of three, and then?

[series]

You somehow forget that the Syrian Iskander-E and Bal-S haven’t worked for you yet ... That’s why you enter into a rage

[tlauicol]

it’s okay to lie - neither Iskander nor the Ball in Syria, we ourselves have only one division in Anapa, and it does not work along the coast

[series]

wrong! in Syria - "Bastion-S" and on ground stationary targets its CD works - "Mom - do not cry"! If you keep the pane open, then you won't ask permission!

[domokl]

Quote: atalef

? Well, how many missiles does she need (so the question is) to bring down 16 bombs dropped from just one plane - just 1

Do you really keep everyone as idiots? 80 km of distance means a real attack on the territory of Israel. More precisely, the transfer of hostilities to this territory. Are you trying to assure us that your government will take such a step? Your missile defense system will not withstand modern missiles. It It is designed for self-propelled guns. In extreme cases, for portable systems.

[atalef]

Quote: domokl

Do you really keep everyone as idiots? 80 km of distance means a real attack on the territory of Israel. More precisely, the transfer of hostilities to this territory.

You know, the military airfield in Ramat David 9, one of the largest in Israel) is located 80-90 km from the center of Damascus (while being deep in Israel) you will shoot down every plane taking off from it. Do you understand the distance in Israel? I see Syria without binoculars once or twice a week., the flight time of the aircraft is 10-15 minutes to the point of impact.

Quote: domokl

Your missile defense system cannot withstand modern missiles

Of course, in the event of a full-scale war, all-missiles will not be shot down and there will be numerous casualties, but what will be the result? What do you think ?

[JIaIIoTb]

After the separation of targets and the hedgehog, it will be clear that the launch has been carried out, the direction of the strike is determined in seconds, if in the direction of Syria, then the plane falls down even before the "smart" bombs cross the border.
Then one of the Israelites said that they were rich because they were smart. That is, they know how to count money. They will spend money on a new plane, pay a family pension for the loss of a breadwinner, learn a new pilot and cry how much money they lost.

[Kirgudum]

and then ---- 1.5 hours recharge

- re-take takes less than an hour. But actually, another, fully equipped machine with full containers may be standing nearby. Further, no one will shoot expensive rockets at small bombs. For this there is an air defense of medium and short range. And if you try to strike with such bombs from YOUR territory, you really run the risk of getting ALL aircraft flying over your territory. If you think that you can sit and with impunity throw shit at neighbors who do not touch you, then you are mistaken.

[rolik]

Quote: atalef

that from Israel to the center of Damascus is 60 km,

But this is all and charm. Fell planes directly at the airfields, already wrote about this. They just took off, and they were already landed. And one more thing, 60-80 km, excellent. Take the air defense a little further, 150 kilometers away and here it is, a small fluffy creature that will show sharp teeth to brave Jewish pilots. If you do not know this animal, it lives in the north, called - scribe

[Professor]

Quote: rolik

But this is all and charm. Fell planes directly at the airfields, already wrote about this.

You already wrote this nonsense. Are radars able to see through the mountains? A rhetorical question.

Quote: rolik

Take the air defense a little further, kilometers to 150 and here it is, a small fluffy creature that will show sharp teeth to brave Jewish pilots.

And what will it cover in the desert? And what will cover Damascus? Israel will then be able to bomb with impunity over the Golan Heights without leaving stone unturned in the Syrian capital. What is this animal called?

[rolik]

Quote: professor

You already wrote this nonsense.

I have already deciphered this stupidity. You think in 2 dimensions)))) From the fact that the complex is moved away from Damascus, its missiles will not lose their strength)))) Their radius of destruction allows the S-300PMU1 / S-300PMU2 to shoot down the enemy at a distance of 150-190 km We’ve moved 100 km from Damascus, we consider the distance of 190 km (S-300PMU2) and 30 km are left in the reserve of the territory of Israel (100 km. To Damascus + 60 km. To the border with Israel and + 30 km the territory of Israel). Arithmetic is simple, while Damascus remains covered and reaches the very border (with a margin).
And about shining through the mountains, nobody forbids to think straightforwardly, but the result from this is bad.
And I don’t put any minuses for you, but we talk and defend, each our own, point of view. To put a minus, this is the last move in the debate))))))

[tlauicol]

with such arithmetic, the Israelis will fly directly to Damascus, bombed from a height of 2 km - and no C300 will see them

[rolik]

Quote: Tlauicol

with such arithmetic, the Israelis will fly directly to Damascus,

Give your arithmetic

[tlauicol]

something like this. such arithmetic

[series]

Oh, these are your mathematical things, Perelman!
Do you think that if you managed to prove Poincare’s theorem once in your life, now you’re flying wonder-yudo PLAN bombs can be calculated using the formula from maritime navigation for calculating the range of visibility of objects in the sea ?
To do this, use the calculation formulas glider flight range in calm air. Or - the formula of L. Breguet. To calculate the range with a constant speed and a constant value of lift in an isothermal atmosphere.

[tlauicol]

D = 4.124√H, where H is the antenna height in meters, D is the radio horizon. It’s more clear.
The glider’s flight range has nothing to do with it, we are talking about the S-300 radio horizon. You propose to place the complex north of Damascus 100 km - I reply to you that then Damascus will be razed and the S-300 will not even see it

[series]

It was about the flight range of the planning bomb!
do not distort!
not about the radio horizon ...

[rolik]

Quote: S-200

To do this, use the formulas to calculate the glider’s flight range in calm air. Or - the formula of L. Breguet. To calculate the range with a constant speed and a constant value of lift in an isothermal atmosphere.

So I was quite surprised to see this formula. (This is the first)
Second, I wrote about the range of missiles, and not about the action of the locator))))
Third, flying at low altitudes. The professor mentioned mountains that the locator does not shine through. I conclude that Israeli pilots have found a way to fly through the mountains. An intruder was invented, so to speak. They also have to overcome mountains. And if they go at a low altitude along the mountains and go out onto the plain, then they will have to fly at an altitude of less than 10 meters)))))
Yes, I forgot, range detectgoals is 300 km. That is, the eyes see further than the arms (rockets) reach. and this is good. And you are talking about the curvature of the globe, this is bad for artillery, visual control is bad.

[tlauicol]

"From the fact that the complex is moved away from Damascus, its missiles will not lose their strength)))) Their radius of destruction allows the S-300PMU1 / S-300PMU2 to shoot down the enemy at a distance of 150-190 km. We moved away from Damascus by 100 km, we believe distance 190 km (S-300PMU2) and in the reserve of the territory of Israel as much as 30 km (100 km. to Damascus + 60 km. to the border with Israel and + 30 km. to the Israeli territory). Arithmetic is simple, while Damascus remains covered up to the border (with a margin) gets it. "(C)
I replied to this post of yours, explaining that the range of the rocket will not help if you do not see the target behind the radio horizon. Therefore, do not doom Damascus, pushing the S-300 100km

[Aaron Zawi]

I’m an absolute land hunter and in the Air Force and Air Defense I understand only from other people's words, but they explained something to me about the curvature of the earth and as I understand it, C-300 radars can lead the enemy at a distance of 200 km when the target moves at a height of at least 5tys / m, and if the planes go at the lowest possible altitudes, then the radar detects the enemy at a distance of 30-40 km, that is, theoretically, machines can reach a distance of 70 / 80km on a shaver, make a hill to drop bombs and dive sharply away from the radars.
I ask you not to throw slippers, I’m still thinking about it here, a minimum of knowledge for real modeling.

[Scoun]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

and if the planes go at the lowest possible altitudes, then radar found the enemy at a distance of 30-40 km, t / e theoretically

IMHA. there are many different factors that will influence .. I do not know if information is transmitted to air defense calculations from other radars or only from those that are in the "composition"
at 08.08.08 "Bukam" about the flight of our planes, information came from another place, and the beeches themselves were turned on at the last moment and after a volley they were immediately cut down ... and here such a situation is probably possible .. missiles in one place radars in another and taking into account the radius actions, you can guess the rocket will fly into the tail or into the mane .. (unless, of course, someone thread does not hand over the location of the complexes)

[rolik]

[quote = Aron Zaavi] then the radar detected the enemy at a distance of 30-40 km, that is, theoretically, the machines can go to a distance of 70/80 km at low level, make a slide to drop bombs and dive sharply away from the radars. [/ q
We answer.
Systems are controlled by their own radar data and data from managed systems, as well as by information from the controls of neighboring groups and funds of a higher level. Two versions of the 83M6E version were implemented: mobile, with the KP and RLO placed on automobile chassis and transport-container, with the KP and RLO hardware placed in shelters at stationary positions. The antenna device is made on the basis of a phased antenna array with two-sided openings. A review of the space is carried out by combining the circular rotation of the antenna post (1 revolution in 12 seconds) and electronic control of the antenna beam in azimuth and elevation. Sectors of the space survey for detecting tactical, ballistic missiles are provided. Target detection range ≈ up to 300 km
Maximum target tracking speed ≈ up to 10000 km / h
Deployment time ≈ 5 min
The number of combat crew ≈ 6 people.
The RPN 30N6E2 antenna post can be mounted on a special 40V6M mobile tower.
So they can fly at a low altitude, they will all the same fall, you will not have time to make a slide
Low Altitude Detector (NVO) - A low-altitude target reconnaissance radar with a continuous signal was usually located on a 24-meter tower in order to increase the detection range of suddenly appearing targets at low altitudes, now the tower was made 35 meters. HBO detects a low-altitude aerodynamic target with an effective reflecting surface of 1 m 2 flying at an altitude of 100 m, at ranges of up to 45 km, and subsequently up to 50 km. Targets such as a cruise missile with an effective dispersion surface of 0,1 m 2 flying at altitudes of 50 m are detected at ranges of up to 28 km, and subsequently from 38 km, which allows the combat crew of the complex to confidently destroy targets both in the depth of the affected area, so and on the near border of the affected area. The probability of hitting a target with one missile was 0,7. These are indicators of the first generation (S300P). And for the S-300PMU1, S-300PMU2 “Favorite”, the characteristics, according to the developers and those who have tested this technique, use more than doubled.
And finally, a photo of an altitude detector.

[series]

The point is this ...

Jews expect that their aircraft over their territory will drop these bombs to defeat the Syrian air defense systems and sit unharmed on the airfield. Assuming that missiles such as C-200, C-300, they will be able to intercept Hets-2,3 missiles with their own means and so on.

[rolik]

Quote: S-200

Jews expect their aircraft to drop these bombs over their territory

Perhaps so, but if the air defense is withdrawn from Damascus at a certain distance, you will have to fly closer to the border. And there, as the Professor said, there are mountains. So, having to climb higher is an excellent target on the screens of locators. In general, there are many ..but that can very much strain the Israeli Air Force. There is another detail, our hydrographic ship that is looking for traces of Atlantis, by chance, off the coast of Israel))))

[Santa bear]

Good morning to everyone. Of course, I always take the position of patriots of domestic weapons, and as a rule this is justified. but in this case I want to say that relatively cheap gliding bombs with a guidance system are a pretty dangerous thing for any air defense. if the plane drops a dozen of these bombs, then they can only be repelled by an integrated air defense system with many launchers. with the s-300 - only 4 missiles at the launch, even if all 4 hit the target, it’s still a third of the attacking ammunition. and there are a lot of bombs. and the plane is not alone. it turns out they can fill up simply with the number of simultaneously dropped bombs. and Israel can deliver a preemptive strike .. let's say a squadron with such bombs comes up under the electronic warfare and drops them from neutral territory from somewhere .. yes, even Turkey, they probably won’t refuse the best friends of the mattresses. in general all this is dangerous. if you simultaneously drop the cloud of these bombs first, then you can not fight back.

[zvereok]

The armor, And Beech will cover C-300. And C-300 Will cover F-16. Another question is, for what reason did the Armor and Buki not work earlier?

[mogus]

such bombs will have to be dropped in the deep zone of the S-300. And from a decent height - you can’t hide behind a hill and the radio horizon is straight.
A little thing is good, honestly.

[Dima190579]

Jam GPS signals. Belarusians have stifled sell.

[Professor]

Quote: Dima190579

Jam GPS signals. Belarusians have stifled sell.

I understand why such a specialist like you should read the article? You already understood everything from the pictures ...

the bomb is equipped with an "optoelectronic homing head and an algorithm that allows comparing the target image with the image of the memorized bomb in an area saturated with means that disrupt GPS operation."

[series]

What a pleasant surprise our "laser rangefinders" will be, blinding your optoelectronic heads on the UAB! I wonder at what distance to the target your optoelectronic UAB make the last 1,3,5,10,15 correction or as much as 100km?

[Professor]

Quote: S-200

The point is this ...
Jews expect that their aircraft over their territory will drop these bombs to defeat the Syrian air defense systems and sit unharmed on the airfield. Assuming that missiles such as C-200, C-300, they will be able to intercept Hets-2,3 missiles with their own means and so on.

Change your nickname urgently, you have a gap in knowledge of the air defense and missile defense systems. The Hatz is not intended to intercept C-300 interceptors.

Quote: S-200

What a pleasant surprise our "laser rangefinders" will be, blinding your optoelectronic heads on the UAB!

The hyperboloid of engineer Garin lives in your fantasies. Do not litter the forum with speculation.

Quote: S-200

I wonder at what distance to the target your optoelectronic UAB make the last 1,3,5,10,15 correction or as much as 100km?

Teach materiel

[series]

Quote: professor

Change your nickname urgently, you have a gap in knowledge of the air defense and missile defense systems. The Hatz is not intended to intercept C-300 interceptors.

What SO ? ... slander WHEN the buza starts, or is the selection of targets so perfect ??

[Professor]

Quote: S-200

What is SO? ... you will disdain WHEN the booze begins, or is the selection of goals so perfect ??

Learn materiel - it will help you.

[series]

I won’t have to fight on your MAT part!

but with our materiel you have another "headache" ...

[Professor]

Quote: S-200

I won’t have to fight on your MAT part!

The materiel is never yours and ours, and I suspect that you personally have never fought and will be.

[series]

I didn’t fight, but at a training ground in Sary-Shagan I had a chance to shoot (in my youth)))

[series]

I demand legal guarantees non-compliance your Hets (s) in our missiles!

[patrianostra]

Dear, what about the asemetric answer on the other hand. In connection with the systematic sleep at the guard posts of gallant khayals (soldiers) associated with standing for 6-12 or more at posts, the task of penetrating protected objects is simplified many times and by orders of magnitude that you say so or you think that the opponents will play with white gloves and Israel will do what he wants in confidence that the enemy does not understand holy naivety at all. The enemy can also strike back at targets and inland without using an air force. How do you like this? Regards

[atalef]

Quote: patrianostra

. In connection with the systematic sleep at the guard posts of the gallant khayals (soldiers) associated with standing for 6-12 or more at the posts, the task of penetrating protected objects is simplified by several times

The mess is enough everywhere, but somehow it seems to me that we have less of it and it seems to me. that 3 years of service makes a soldier well, at least not worse than a brave Russian peer.

Quote: patrianostra

Israel will do what he wants in confidence that the enemy doesn’t understand holy naivety

No, the enemy is cruel and treacherous, only his air defense is rubbish, and everything else is on top

Quote: patrianostra

The enemy can also strike back at targets and inland without using an air force. How do you like this?

No way, I could - had done it long ago.
Best regards

[patrianostra]

On the way of the play, there are cases similar to what happened to the "gallant defender" Shalit, the most famous at the moment. And there are a great many identical incidents, but not all of them fell on the journalist's teeth. At the expense of the mess in any army, this is in bulk. Three years is a period, I do not argue, but tell me what is the ratio of Kravim and Jopniks (militants and logisticians) in the IDF have seen enough of this wonderful tribe that goes to military service as if it is not a very pleasant job. highly motivated. Yours faithfully

[JIaIIoTb]

Quote: professor

the bomb is equipped with an "optoelectronic homing head and an algorithm that allows comparing the target image with the image of the memorized bomb in an area saturated with means that disrupt GPS operation."

Banal target closure with a camouflage net and bombs will puzzle for a long time where to fly? Whom to blow up?)))
All this is a joke, of course, but do not you really think that all the same, everyone is smarter ?.

[atalef]

Quote: JIaIIoTb

Banal target closure with a camouflage net and bombs will puzzle for a long time where to fly? Whom to blow up?)))

Do not carry heresy corny.

[series]

Well, the smoke and aerosol curtain is widely used for optical interference in armored vehicles ...
It looks like your military-technical horizons are limited only to the uzi and m-16 ..

[atalef]

Quote: Dima190579

Jam GPS signals. Belarusians have stifled sell.

Yes, I heard that they upgraded Syria’s air defense 2 years ago ---- I dare to assure you very successfully.

[Strashila]

The idea is not bad. It will have to be taken into account when placing S-300 systems. Shilka, Tunguska, Panzeri their significance increases when reflected with such weapons. EW stations will have to be supplemented with complexes for suppressing optoelectronic guidance systems used in the same Air Force for protecting aircraft based on lasers. We will not drown out, we will be blinded. Such a system is good when used from under the silence. With full-fledged military operations, in order to use the aircraft, you need to climb to a considerable height in a radius of less than 100 km, I will not believe in anything about using it from 100 m ... and here the S-300 should show itself.

[atalef]

Quote: Strashila

The idea is not bad. It will have to be taken into account when placing S-300 systems. Shilka, Tunguska, Panzeri their significance increases when reflected with such weapons. EW stations will have to be supplemented with complexes of suppression systems for optoelectronic guidance systems used in the same Air Force when protecting aircraft based on lasers.

I'm just blinded (already) and all this is Syrians --- well, well

Quote: Strashila

Such a system is good when applied from under the silence

Stratag

Quote: Strashila

With full-fledged military operations, in order to use the aircraft, you need to climb to a considerable height in a radius of less than 100 km, I will not believe in anything about using it from 100 m ... and here the S-300 should show itself

You are fully consistent with your nickname

[Dwarfik]

Good What a ridiculous and illiterate dis! This is how they were going to hit targets at a distance of 100 km without engines? Plan with a weight of 150 kg? smacks of antiphysics! This is at what speed and at what height it is necessary to reset it! Did not believe!....

[series]

I have a shit with ariHmetiki, But take the F-16 at an altitude of 12 km and a speed of 2M ... but it most likely will fly! ((

[Professor]

Quote: Dwarfik

Good What a ridiculous and illiterate dis! This is how they were going to hit targets at a distance of 100 km without engines? Plan with a weight of 150 kg? smacks of antiphysics! This is at what speed and at what height it is necessary to reset it! Did not believe!....

A Boeing 747 with a weight of 214 tons is capable of planning 1 to 5 (from a height of 10 km it will fly in 50 km off engines). So much for the weight in 150 kg.

Uneducated people went however.

[Midshipman]

And even more so. The aerodynamic quality of a Boeing 15, respectively, from a height of 10 km, it will fly 150 km. Mass has nothing to do with it, and even the size of the "wings". Gliding range depends on aerodynamic quality, which is a derivative of air resistance and wing lift. Ten for an aerodynamically clean bomb is quite achievable value.

[Wedmak]

A Boeing 747 with a weight of 214 tons is capable of planning 1 to 5 (from a height of 10 km it will fly in 50 km off engines). So much for the weight in 150 kg.

Compared ... And the wing area and its geometry, as it were, have nothing to do with it? If this bomb had a normal wing, I would still believe in 100 km, but this "rake" ... The speed of the bomb after being dropped from the plane will decrease and this wing will not help much at low speed.
And dumping with 2M, as some say here, something is not too real.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: professor

Boeing 747 with a weight of 214 tons is able to plan 1 to 5 (from a height of 10 km it will fly 50 km with engines off)

But subject to the health of the stabilizer control systems. Otherwise, it will collapse like a stone ...

Quote: professor

Uneducated people went however

It's right. Only "not educated" is written together, however ...

[Professor]

Quote: Chicot 1

It's right. Only "not educated" is spelled together, however ..

Not sure. Not very educated not quite educated - as far as I remember, if you can insert a word, you can write separately. However, I'm a techie ...

[Chicot 1]

I, too, am not a linguist, although a humanist ... But here is what the great and incomparable Wikipedia says about this (if you don’t mind of course) -
необразованныйhttps://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0
%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9

[kagorta]

Professor, I don’t care, but just curious. I used to think that you simply have dual citizenship and you are a patriot of two countries (strange, but it happens). And now somehow it’s not clear. Can enlighten yourself? What are you doing now?

[Professor]

Quote: kagorta

And now somehow it’s not clear. Can enlighten yourself? What are you doing now?

What are you doing? It’s known how I work out the money of the CIA, MI6 and Mossad slandering the Russian weapons that have no equivalent in the world.
None of my comments contain a word that Russian weapons are bad, but Israeli or some other good ones. I study to match and do not pass by gorlopanov and upapatriots. So in this article, if the Americans had the C-300 complex, and Russia had the Spice-250 complex, then my opinion would not have changed at all and would not give the American C-300 one more chance than I give the Russian one.

[kagorta]

Well, as always, one continuous demagogy :), but seriously.

[regdan]

Why would Israel attack the S-300? The S-300 does not threaten Israel. The S-300 only protects the territory entrusted to it. The article is certainly interesting, progress does not stand still and develops. Can these bombs be used against the Iron Dome and Patriot, or were they designed against the S-300? Has the potential for the future of bombs against the S-400, S-500 been laid?

[Professor]

Quote: regdan

Is there future potential for bombs against C-400, C-500?

It is laid in the low cost of these bombs. I read somewhere that the C-300 rocket costs more than a million dollars. Against the ammunition of one F-16 you need 16 millions, ten 160 ... They will crush the mass.

[leon-iv]

By the way, I forgot to write about the price tag.
But syudy would be in the subject would be a morpheus that he definitely divides by 0 all such uberwafles especially with a battery. At that and TsU dofiga and reaction speed and BC cheap missiles.

[xan]

Quote: professor

It is laid in the low cost of these bombs. I read somewhere that the C-300 rocket costs more than a million dollars. Against the ammunition of one F-16 you need 16 millions, ten 160 ... They will crush the mass.

Well, what an eccentric (softly) will shoot down planning bombs with S-300 missiles?

[Scoun]

Quote: professor

It is laid in the low cost of these bombs. I read somewhere that the S-300 rocket costs more than a million dollars. Against the ammunition of one F-16 you need 16 million, ten 160.

I honestly .. still do not understand why the forum users stubbornly consider 16 bombs = 16 C300 missiles

In 1999, several types of missiles were first introduced at once, in addition to the 5V55R (V-500R), 48N6 and 48N6E2 S-300PMU1 missiles, could use two new missiles: 9M96E1 and 9M96E2. Both are significantly smaller in size than previous missiles, and weigh 330 and 420 kg, respectively, while carrying smaller masses (24 kg) of warheads [21]. 9M96E1 has a radius of destruction of 1-40 km and 9M96E2 1-120 km. For maneuvering, they rather use not even the aerodynamic plumage, but the gas-dynamic system, which allows them to have a very high probability of destruction, despite the much smaller warhead. The probability of hitting a ballistic target is 0,9 [22] for both missiles. S-300PMU1 uses the 83M6E control system, although there is also compatibility with the old Baikal-1E and Senezh-M1E control systems. The 83M6E includes a 64N6E survey radar. The on-load tap-changer uses 30N6E1 and optionally a low-altitude detector 76N6 and an all-altitude detector 96L6E can be used. 83M6E can control up to 12 launchers, both self-propelled 5P85SE and trailed 5P85TE. Usually, support vehicles, such as the 40V6M tower, designed to raise the antenna post, are also turned on.

I still tend to think that the 2nd S-300 rocket = 1 aircraft.

[Krsk]

What else should they say? The chances are that against 300 ki 0 whole ... tenths and the people then need to calm their own, otherwise they will ask their own people from them - why was this necessary? So then they will soon invent a superior fighter PAK FA as a sidekick their pissed FU 35 of their own. )))

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

if you take f-16 with a ceiling of 15 km, the bomb must dive at an angle of 15 degrees relative to the ground, even taking into account the inertia, it seems to me 100 km is a lot

[atalef]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

if you take f-16 with a ceiling of 15 km, the bomb must dive at an angle of 15 degrees relative to the ground, even taking into account the inertia, it seems to me 100 km is a lot

To dive? And why should she have wings?

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

yes there’s no wing area, judging by the photo, but the engine of the bomb is net and the air density at an altitude of 15 km will be much less!

[atalef]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

yes there’s no wing area, judging by the photo, and the engine of the bomb is net and the air density at an altitude of 15 km will be much less

Well, it’s clear that they were attached for beauty.

[yanus]

First, for the bomb to travel so many kilometers, even 30 kilometers. ITS cannot be dropped from a 100-meter height. This means the plane will rise to a height where it will be "seen" by the air defense.
Secondly, the phrase "an image of a memorized bomb in an area saturated with means that disrupt the operation of GPS." In his words: "The pilot can enter the target into the homing head before dropping or during the flight" again hints that either the pilot must rise to a great height and find the target before launching, and then he and ... Or drop the bombs "in the other side "and support the video channel with them, but again you will have to drop it from a great height, it just saves time searching for the target.
Thirdly, the bomb trample in a straight line with minimal horizontal twists, otherwise the height will be lost. Accordingly, there should not be any high obstacles such as mountains on the line.
Fourth, the speed of the bomb near the target will be minimal. She will simply be shot by Armor or Tunguska.

In short, Israel has enough of its own gimmicks and "marketers / PR specialists". True, the story of the S-300 deliveries and the subsequent announcement of smart bombs makes the Israelis look like seven kids who hum "we are not afraid of the gray wolf."

[series]

ETA bomb - STANDARD target for "Shilka", "Tunguska", not to mention "shell" and "torus"

[atalef]

Quote: yanus

First, for the bomb to travel so many kilometers, even 30 kilometers. ITS cannot be dropped from a 100-meter height. This means the plane will rise to a height where it will be "seen" by the air defense.

Will he see? Strange last 4 times, nobody saw anyone

Quote: yanus

The pilot can enter the target into the homing head before dropping or during flight "again hints that either the pilot must climb to a great height before launch and find the target

This only hints at the fact that the pilot can reprogram the bomb, and you can set the target on the ground, you generally understand the flight time for hitting Damascus - 10 minutes to a maximum of 15 (flight time is from the take-off time - which would be clearer)

Quote: yanus

Thirdly, the bomb trample in a straight line with minimal horizontal twists, otherwise the height will be lost. Accordingly, there should not be any high obstacles such as mountains on the line.

Type of mountain - This is by the level of the Himalayas - such as hills. In Israel there are no mountains higher
2.5 km, and even then one, and so no more than 1-.5 km

Quote: yanus

Fourth, the speed of the bomb near the target will be minimal. She will simply be shot by Armor or Tunguska.

Me, I'm a naturlich. We saw in the case both the Tunguska and the Carapace and Buki., Not more than 2 months ago

Quote: yanus

In short, Israel has enough of its own gimmicks and "marketers / PR specialists"

You goof off. so far we have flown and bombed - the only one who is coddling is you - and a weapon that has no analogues in the world.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: atalef

Will he see? Strange last 4 times, nobody saw anyone


This only hints at the fact that the pilot can reprogram the bomb, and you can set the target on the ground, you generally understand the flight time for hitting Damascus - 10 minutes to a maximum of 15 (flight time is from the take-off time - which would be clearer)


Type of mountain - This is by the level of the Himalayas - such as hills. In Israel there are no mountains higher
2.5 km, and even then one, and so no more than 1-.5 km


Me, I'm a naturlich. We saw in the case both the Tunguska and the Carapace and Buki., Not more than 2 months ago


You goof off. so far we have flown and bombed - the only one who is coddling is you - and a weapon that has no analogues in the world.

Yes, you are our direct expert on planning aircraft munitions (or what are they called correctly and professionally there?), Dear Alexander ... So be it. As well as a little earlier, you were an expert on Merkava tanks ...
However, let me give you a little advice - do not run into rudeness in the same way as Andrei did (nick Atrix) May 31 in a topic with a geopolitical review ...

Do you recognize, Alexander? .. Yes, this is "Eilat". His predecessor was drowned with one anti-ship missile. How long do you think this one will last in the event of a serious conflict with a serious adversary? ..

[atalef]

Quote: Chicot 1

Do you recognize, Alexander? .. Yes, this is "Eilat". His predecessor was drowned with one anti-ship missile. How long do you think this one will last in the event of a serious conflict with a serious adversary?

Name the adversary.

[series]

Mongol-Tatar horde (hereditary) ...

[Chicot 1]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Chicot 1

Do you recognize, Alexander? .. Yes, this is "Eilat". His predecessor was drowned with one anti-ship missile. How long do you think this one will last in the event of a serious conflict with a serious adversary?

Name the adversary.

I repeat once again - a serious opponent. That is equivalent, located at the same level (but it is possible that exceeding it) ...
Or do you need specifics like the country, the type of ship, their number? .. Then, please, you can dream up yourself. I'm not against...

[tlauicol]

every day hundreds of planes fly over Israel - are they shot down (well, just in case)? request friend or foe? (well, at least civilians take off according to the schedule, and if they are fighting). At any second, one of them will drop 20 HARMs - these are missiles, by the way, you will not even have to climb 15 km. And add here airplanes over the sea, Turkey, etc., etc. This problem for Syrian air defense is too tough

[Scandinavian]

I think that C-300 will not stand at the post in splendid isolation ... and short-range air defense systems, such as the Shell and Thor, will cover it ... and not a single Jewish mosquito will fly by such weapons while covering each other. ... Rest assured, the Zionists ...

[Wedmak]

The thing is dangerous only for mass use. Mini Tomahawk.
That's just as they usually said, not everyone and perfectly publicized their weapons. They ask the right questions - from what height should it be dropped so that it flies 100 km? Well this is not a glider. And how long will it fly to the goal? Is there a correction from the plane?
So C-300, seeing on the radars a massive dump of such toys, has a chance to curl up and leave the position. Or .. promptly inflate the layouts by disguising real PUs. Some bombs knock down small-radius air defense systems, some fall on mock-ups ...
And about the iron dome - is it advertising? Like this system can destroy these bombs?

[series]

well WHAT is it tomahawk ??? The Kyrgyz Republic flies around the terrain and along the route the curvature of which depends on the saturation of the air defense system in the route. The height in the air defense zone is extremely small. And this crap with a gentle trajectory of decline, without maneuver .... From a height - more kilometers
"Skeet" - The exercise is called for our ZSU and ZRAKOV ..

[atalef]

Quote: Wedmak

So C-300, seeing on the radars a massive dump of such toys, has a chance to curl up and leave the position. Or .. promptly inflate the layouts by disguising real PUs. Some bombs knock down small-radius air defense systems, some fall on mock-ups ...

And all this minutes so for 5-10 (maximum) there certainly are not hot Estonian guys, but not supermen for sure.

[Wedmak]

And all this minutes so for 5-10 (maximum) there certainly are not hot Estonian guys, but not supermen for sure.

Enough and a half minutes to remove the carrier from the sky - there will be no one to carry out the correction. To deceive the optoelectronic guidance system - we stupidly change the geometric parameters of the object. What will she see?
Speak 5-10 minutes ... Well, hell, I do not know at what speed these bombs are planning. Nevertheless, they are excellent targets for SAMs.

[Professor]

Quote: Wedmak

. They ask the right questions - from what height should it be dropped so that it flies 100 km? Well this is not a glider. And how long will it fly to the goal? Is there a correction from the plane?

From the cruising altitude of the F-16, it’s just a glider, there isn’t enough time to shed the C-300 since the bomb does not work according to the coordinates but according to the image of the object, correction during the flight is possible.

[Wedmak]

Eeee ... cruising altitude? Is there such a thing? I know cruising speed .. I don’t know the height.

it’s just a glider, there’s not enough time to fade C-300 since the bomb does not work according to the coordinates but according to the image of the object, correction during the flight is possible.

Glider, glider ... for example, the carrier aircraft was not removed after the bombing, because in order to carry out the correction, he needs to be in touch with the bomb. So in the radius of line of sight. And that means a very great chance to fall yourself.
And further. The United States used high-precision television-guided bombs. Only here is one BUT - they used them already when air defense was suppressed, or even at night, against stationary objects. So tell me, is this weapon too far-flung?
And the image of the object ... so we have inflatable models, do you want to supply 50 pieces? And figs from such a height you can figure out where the real ones are and where the inflatable ones are!

[Professor]

Quote: Wedmak

Eeee ... cruising altitude? Is there such a thing? I know cruising speed .. I don’t know the height.

How will it be in Russian ... cruise altitude so it will be "cruising altitude; cruising altitude"

Quote: Wedmak

Glider, glider ... for example, the carrier aircraft was not removed after the bombing, because in order to carry out the correction, he needs to be in touch with the bomb. So in the radius of line of sight.

Does an airplane give signals to a rocket?

Quote: Wedmak

So tell me, is this weapon too far-flung?

Absolutely not publicized, if I had not translated this article, you would not have known about it. Where is the PR?

Quote: Wedmak

And the image of the object ... so we have inflatable models, do you want to supply 50 pieces? And figs from such a height you can figure out where the real ones are and where the inflatable ones are!

You certainly think that the IDF attack means are limited to this bomb. You at least watch a video to understand that the pilot has the opportunity to observe the target through the GOS bomb, respectively, from a distance of zero when the target is hit.

[Wedmak]

Does an airplane give signals to a rocket?

No of course, but

the pilot has the ability to observe the target through GOS bombs, respectively, from a distance of zero when the target is hit.

..the television signal is transmitted only within the line of sight. Over the horizon, you will not be able to control this bomb. Unless via satellite, but I doubt very much that a satellite transceiver will be installed on consumables of such low cost.
But! The pilot can observe a maximum of two ammunition (even if this is done by the weapons operator) and aim them at the target. What to do with the rest of the bunch of bombs flying towards the target? Or do they work as distractions? In this case, I will understand the logic of the use of this ammunition.

You certainly think that the IDF attack means are limited to this bomb.

I am not so naive. To make a well-organized air defense system, you need a very powerful blow, by various means in the complex.

[Professor]

Quote: Wedmak

..the television signal is transmitted only within the line of sight. Over the horizon, you will not be able to control this bomb. Unless via satellite, but I doubt very much that a satellite transceiver will be installed on consumables of such low cost.

Repeaters have long been deployed on UAVs.

Quote: Wedmak

The pilot can observe a maximum of two ammunition (even if this is done by the weapons operator) and aim them at the target. What to do with the rest of the bunch of bombs flying towards the target? Or do they work as distractions? In this case, I will understand the logic of the use of this ammunition.

Here the point is not exactly how many navigators are able to observe in real time. Here I posted an article about the problems with confirmation of the destruction of targets in the West. In this case, the topography of the terrain and the attacked object are clogged in the memory of the bomb. Shot, forgot. A video image from the GOS is transferred on board the aircraft and recorded on the hard drive or directly to the rear where the girls check frame by frame whether an object, an inflatable rubber product or something else was destroyed. Accordingly, a second attack can be made instantly.

Quote: Wedmak

To make a well-organized air defense system, you need a very powerful blow, by various means in the complex.

It will be so, and these bombs, in view of their mass character, pose a real threat. This is not Tomahawk, after the launch of which the Minister of Finance grabs Validol, such bombs will not be saved.

[Wedmak]

Repeaters have long been deployed on UAVs.

The UAV repeater will go where the carrier aircraft is.

about problems with confirmation of the destruction of targets in the West .... Accordingly, a second attack can be carried out instantly.

Maybe if ammunition remains.

such bombs will not save.

By the way, how much does one such bomb cost? Secret? Of course, everything is more expensive than usual, but still?

[Arkan]

Quote: professor

You certainly think that the IDF attack means are limited to this bomb.

Do you think that Syria’s answer will be only in the range of air defense capabilities? Syria has enough chemical weapons to poison Jews from Israel like cockroaches - why did you get the idea that the Syrians are not using it for its intended purpose?

[atalef]

Quote: Arkan

Do you think that Syria’s answer will be only in the range of air defense capabilities? Syria has enough chemical weapons to poison Jews from Israel like cockroaches - why did you get the idea that the Syrians are not using it for its intended purpose?

As always, Israel has nothing to answer to the use of WMD

[Arkan]

Quote: atalef

As always, Israel has nothing to answer to the use of WMD

Well, let's see what the slave is hiding in his closet ... Well, in fact, this "Israel's response" will no longer have a military meaning - the surviving Jews will simply dump from the contaminated territories, which will mean the end of Israel.

[Denis]

Quote: Arkan

the surviving Jews will simply be dumped from the contaminated territories, which will mean the end of Israel.

This is the end of the territories, someone else can live on them?

[Arkan]

Quote: Denis

This is the end of the territories, someone else can live on them?

Three hundred years later, yes. There is no other way out (looking at the fate of Hussein, Milosevic, Gaddafi ...) neither Syria nor Iran - I do not think that they will be too scrupulous.

[Denis]

Quote: Arkan

There is no other way out (looking at the fate of Hussein, Milosevic, Gaddafi ...) neither Syria nor Iran - I do not think that they will be too scrupulous.

But it’s like letting a genie out of a bottle. One thing is an ordinary war, how many there were and will be, another with the use of WMD. Yes, and applying it immediately becomes extreme

[Arkan]

Quote: Denis

But it's like letting a genie out of a bottle

They have been explaining this to the Jews for about forty years now - it doesn’t get there. Well, and God with them is their problem.

Quote: Denis

Yes, and applying it immediately become extreme

And before whom is the "extreme"? They are so extreme before the United States and the sixes, they have nothing to lose.

[Denis]

Quote: Arkan

And before whom is the "extreme"? They are so extreme before the USA and sixes, they have nothing to lose

Not about them, with these and so everything is clear. The use of WMDs can restore against other countries that are far from this conflict. China, Argentina, India, and we have WMDs banned

[Perch_xnumx]

From the cruising altitude of the F-16, it’s just a glider, there isn’t enough time to shed the C-300 since the bomb does not work according to the coordinates but according to the image of the object, correction during the flight is possible.

What's the difference. Of course, having the capabilities of Israel, in comparison with Syria, bombing will not be a problem. Bomb more, spit on Russia more, then there will be no issues in the matter of supplies to Iran. The mystery of why you are still writing here, the hedgehog understands the good from Israel and its shadow masters.

[Sergey_K]

"Image of an object" is a very vague concept. Can you tell what a covered C300 looks like? I cant. A thousand options. In addition, decoys, interference, anti-aircraft missile systems cover. It is banal to set fire to old tires and they will cover the complex in the optical range with their smoke. Remains an external control center, for example, from friends from the United States.
And now, the harsh Arab reality. I have no doubt for a second that, if necessary, Israel will mix all Syrian air defense with the earth. For the Arabs never knew how to fight, and from the moment when the war became a contest of minds and technologies - there have always been bits. Killing, raping, torturing is their element. They have this business and have their own religion.
However, in the place of Israel, I would not go beyond. For if you threaten the national interests of Russia, then our calculations with our equipment will arrive there. And if that is our will, then the fate of heaven and everything else in this region will be decided in Washington and Moscow.
Israel is a lean fighter in a hostile environment. Having knocked out teeth to everyone who threatened you, you proved that you have the right to life.
But this mess can go beyond your weight category, and I repeat, your fate will be decided in Washington and Moscow.

[Arkan]

Quote: Sergey_K

But this mess can go beyond your weight category, and I repeat, your fate will be decided in Washington and Moscow.

Not anymore - the fate of Israel, apart from Moscow and Washington, can now be decided by Beijing and Islamabad simply by selling Iran several nuclear warheads ...

[Sergey_K]

So no one will ever do it.

[Arkan]

Quote: Sergey_K

So no one will ever do it.

Israel’s strategic security is built on this belief - a very precarious basis And it seems to me that this is exactly what they will do: Why should the Chinese or Pakistanis follow the UN charters if neither Jews, Europeans nor Americans do this? But for Pakistan and China this is a matter of energy security, for Russia it is a question of economic stability ... Yes, and the disappearance of Israel can simply not be commented on - the benefit of such precedents in international politics, the mass ...

[Professor]

Quote: Sergey_K

Can you tell me what the covered C300 looks like?

The UAV and rzvedsputnik operator knows.

Quote: Sergey_K

For if you threaten the national interests of Russia, then our calculations with our equipment will arrive there.

Already tried repeatedly - it did not help.

Quote: Sergey_K

But this mess can go beyond your weight category, and I repeat, your fate will be decided in Washington and Moscow.

Gone are the days when the fate of the Jewish people was decided in the capital of other states, now it is decided only in Jerusalem.

[mark1]

Quote: professor

Quote: Sergey_K
For if you threaten the national interests of Russia, then our calculations with our equipment will arrive there.

Already tried repeatedly - it did not help.

A cat scratches at its ridge ...

[atalef]

Quote: Sergey_K

Can you tell what the covered C300 looks like? I could not

I can say that the s-300 has no shelter and cannot be a priori.

[Dejavu]

It’s now fashionable to publicize their offspring, which will break our nuclear shield without straining, and break through the air defense, and in general the Kremlin can be spammed with cruise missiles along with our mines, impenetrable bunkers and other means that can erase Geyropa, the United States and someone else bearded with a Kalash screaming Allahu akbar for company for a couple of hours.

I DO NOT BELIEVE!

[Chicot 1]

It’s not about the bomb itself. Although, she herself is also an interesting thing ... True, here his opposition to the S-300 complex is not too correct. The weight categories are different however. Yes, and the S-300 was not intended to shoot down planning bombs initially. So they are cunning in Israel. Oh, how they are cunning! ..

It is much more important here that the leadership of Israel goes to great lengths to drive Assad out of Syria. Does Tel Aviv really believe that with Assad’s departure all questions of the Syrian-Israeli confrontation will disappear once and for all and that the new Syrian authorities will be flexible and fluffy like a trained poodle? ..
After all, it is still unknown who will come to power in Syria after Assad’s departure. And here a lot of scenarios are possible - from relatively mild Egyptian to hard Somali ...
It would be interesting to know the opinion on this subject from our colleagues from the Promised Land ...

[yanus]

Quote: atalef

Quote: yanus

First, for the bomb to travel so many kilometers, even 30 kilometers. ITS cannot be dropped from a 100-meter height. This means the plane will rise to a height where it will be "seen" by the air defense.

Will he see? Strange last 4 times, nobody saw anyone

Firstly, the "last times" were launches just from low altitudes, and missiles, not bombs.
Secondly, there were no s-300s or systems with a similar radius.
Thirdly, why did you charge that you did not see? Seeing a target and getting an order to shoot it down are two different things. Until Syria deals with militants, no one will come into conflict with Israel.

Quote: atalef

Quote: yanus

The pilot can enter the target into the homing head before dropping or during flight "again hints that either the pilot must climb to a great height before launch and find the target

This only hints at the fact that the pilot can reprogram the bomb, and you can set the target on the ground, you generally understand the flight time for hitting Damascus - 10 minutes to a maximum of 15 (flight time is from the take-off time - which would be clearer)

Pre-set the target for the optoelectronic head on the ground? Do not smack nonsense.

Quote: atalef

Quote: yanus

Thirdly, the bomb trample in a straight line with minimal horizontal twists, otherwise the height will be lost. Accordingly, there should not be any high obstacles such as mountains on the line.

Type of mountain - This is by the level of the Himalayas - such as hills. In Israel there are no mountains higher
2.5 km, and even then one, and so no more than 1-.5 km

Well, it turns out that in order to "throw" the bomb over the mountain, you have to climb to a height of more than 1 km. Do you think the S-300 will not notice f15 / f16 there? )))

Quote: atalef

Quote: yanus

Fourth, the speed of the bomb near the target will be minimal. She will simply be shot by Armor or Tunguska.

Me, I'm a naturlich. We saw in the case both the Tunguska and the Carapace and Buki., Not more than 2 months ago

2 months back the column of "Bukov" was smashed to march. This is not the success of the Israeli Air Force, it is the success of the Israeli intelligence. But the Tungusok and the Shell were not really seen. For some reason, the Israeli combat pilots do not fly there. Are embarrassed or something ...

In general, funny.

[atalef]

Quote: yanus

Firstly, the "last times" were launches just from low altitudes, and missiles, not bombs.

this certainly justifies the zero combat effectiveness of Syrian air defense,

Quote: yanus

Secondly, there were no s-300s or systems with a similar radius.

I wish not to be dishonored with this. because hot Syrian guys once again poher everything and then the S-300 can only be sold to the Papuans for remaking into pots

Quote: yanus

Thirdly, why did you charge that you did not see? Seeing a target and getting an order to shoot it down are two different things.

Well. Yes, HPE exists for that. to see and not to bring down (and so 4 times) - this will generally increase the morale and morale of the troops

Quote: yanus

Well, it turns out that in order to "throw" the bomb over the mountain, you have to climb to a height of more than 1 km. Do you think the S-300 will not notice f15 / f16 there? )))

I think this is the only one. what will she have time

Quote: yanus

Pre-set the target for the optoelectronic head on the ground? Do not smack nonsense.

?????

Quote: yanus

2 months backwards they smashed the Bukov column on the march. This is not the success of the Israeli Air Force, this is the success of the Israeli intelligence.

And the fact that the above-mentioned place of bombing was only 8 km from the presidential palace in Damascus. did you modestly keep silent about this, or does air defense in the east in the desert track bat migrations?

Quote: yanus

But the Tungusok and the Shell were not really seen. For some reason, the Israeli combat pilots do not fly there. Are embarrassed or something.

And where are they located (so for fun?) If not around Damascus (at least) then where?

[Kirgudum]

zero combat capability of Syrian air defense

- Atalef, and you are a troll. Tell the pilot of the downed Turkish F-4 Phantom about the "zero combat capability" of the Syrian air defense. And I ask us not to hang noodles on our ears.

[atalef]

Quote: Kirgudum

Tell the pilot of the downed Turkish F-4 Phantom about the "zero combat capability" of the Syrian air defense

Well, of course, but the Israelites mean sorry.

[kagorta]

He got this Russian-Jewish srach. At the Russian forum, trying to prove that the Jews are great (given the size of American subsidies of course). Yes, well done, and so we know that you are the fifth in the world in exporting the same cool (we are the second by the way). And telling us that our shit technique is also not worth it. You won’t be able to check anyway, because you still won’t get into a normally built air defense, because you’re not going to be fools, but you will climb Syria anyway, I know. So it’s possible for Assad (by the way, he’d fool his country to such an extent) and sell something that Israel won’t like very much (Tornado-G or Iskander, but there are goals for them that life in Israel will not be sugar for environmental reasons, based on your distances). So do not sell and appreciate it.

[Aaron Zawi]

Not a single sane Israeli soldier would call Soviet technology shit. This is not even a compliment, but dry facts. This is the 444th tank reserve division on Tiran 4/5 tanks, this is the 62nd tank brigade, on Tiran6 tanks. This is an RPG-7 which until 2003 was a regular platoon / company level RPG in line units. These are ISs that were used as fixed firing points on the Bar-Lev line, and much else that was in service with the IDF.
By the way, we also produce Galil on the basis of the AK mechanism. So the weapon is quite decent even without taking into account the losses that we suffered from it.

[kind]

And where are they located (so for fun?) If not around Damascus (at least) then where?

Why are you interested in? ...

[RPG_]

Well, if Israel will beat them as it should be with the announcement of a no-fly zone over its territory, then the C300 will beat them on takeoff (F16). But if you take off under the cover of what no exercises or civilian ships, then when this miracle flies up to the air defense, then the F16 will probably sit down. But given the not too high speed of the bomb, probably the most suitable way to destroy them would be an "shilka" or its analog, if he sees it, because spending a missile of any air defense system on a bomb is too fat.

[Nayhas]

Oh, these apologists for anti-aircraft missile systems. Not even the most advanced air defense system is capable of repelling an organized air attack without the help of the Air Force. Neither the S-300, nor the S-400 and S-500 are capable of doing this alone. The presence of a radio horizon and rough terrain allows enemy aircraft to launch missiles, jamming, launching false targets in quantities exceeding the capabilities of any air defense system outside the coverage area of ​​this air defense system. Therefore, the S-300 in Syria will be destroyed during deployment, because the Syrian sky is not covered by anything from the air. The whole world will see the wreckage of the TPK and cars and say: "Yes, these vaunted S-300s!" and only a few will understand that the conditions for the operation of the S-300 in Syria were not provided ...

[il grand casino]

One of the few sound reasoning. And then some emotions. I believe that the S-300 is a very good air defense system - but in this case it is not a panacea.

[Evgeny_Lev]

The issue is causing unacceptable harm to the attacking side.
Is it a Patriotic war in Israel to sing "So we need one priest, one for all, but we won't stand the price?"
A couple of three planes will collapse, let's see how the public will sing. In addition, such an act of aggression will inevitably lead to retaliatory measures. And what is so super-significant happening in Syria for Israel, so that ordinary people would be imbued with this and ready to endure rocket attacks?

[Nayhas]

I hope you didn’t mean passenger planes? If so, then I’m sure the 100% complex will not even be allowed to turn around, it will be destroyed at the time of deployment, because Israel is observing from the air, as well as receiving information from numerous sources in Syria itself. Remember the flaming convoy of OSA air defense systems and the trucks loaded with weapons that went to Lebanon, or rather, tried to leave there under cover of night. If you think that in Israel they will wait until the S-300 is deployed and train the calculations, then the question of mental usefulness will arise by itself ...

[Evgeny_Lev]

If you think that deploying complexes is an overwhelming task and that the operators have not been trained in advance, then, as you put it, the question of mental usefulness will arise by itself ...
Secondly, the subject of the article (winged bombs), what is the "angle of attack" on the target? I doubt it has a system for dropping or folding feathers and wings to provide a greater angle of incidence over the target. This factor is important. With 300, as everyone knows, it has a vertical start. This circumstance makes it possible to erect beams of unlimited height around the position. This circumstance makes it possible to install complexes in close proximity to high-rise buildings, structures, etc.
So, regarding the fact that these bombs, which, incidentally, exist only on computer graphics, and there isn’t any talk about them yet, is complete FUFLO.
Sopsno logic borrowed from comrades who praise Jewish weapons here)) Bullshit, he is not there yet and they state here his superiority. It smacks of fanaticism.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Evgeny_Lev

If you think that deploying complexes is an overwhelming task and that the operators have not been trained in advance, then, as you put it, the question of mental usefulness will arise by itself ...

Maybe for you it's all simple, of course, how "Lego" was assembled and delivered, just an hour of work? An air defense system consists not only of a launcher and a combat control point, guidance and detection equipment. This is also a bunch of machines for technical support, testing, equipment debugging. All this can be delivered only by sea, while in a condition for transportation. It will be transported on a large landing craft, and not "ro-rokers", i.e. loading and unloading only by port cranes. After delivery, the complex will need to be assembled, tested equipment, replaced defective parts, make all possible calibrations, and only then go to prepared positions, and all this under the supervision of a "potential adversary" who is unlikely to wait for the end of all operations.
Touching on the topic of the article, the UAB will simply not be used by anyone, if it comes to them, it will already be a means of finishing off, the Israeli Air Force has ammunition that fly more than 100 km. and at low altitude. In addition, numerous electronic warfare systems, both ground-based and on airplanes, as well as a large number of false targets such as ITALD, not to mention the large UAV fleet which they will not spare. Therefore, the action scheme even by SPIKES is simple, an attack from different directions, on the one hand ITALD false targets, on the other UAV under the guise of electronic warfare equipment, on the third side three F-15E vehicles at low altitude with the use of terrain at a distance of 80 km. from the target, they climb sharply and discard SPIKES from the cabriolet and go back to low altitude and goodbye. Under such conditions, not a single SAM will have time to react.
PS: and the UAB SPIKE has been in the arsenal of the Israeli Air Force since 2003, besides that they have thousands of JDAMs, so Syria has no chance ...

[Sergey_K]

My God! Finally! The first smart koment! Plus!

[Opera]

Well, judging by some comments, Israel defeated everyone! Just yesterday! And actually no smart bombs are needed. The professor and his ilk Israeli rambo just need to convince all interested parties that the chess game is complete without starting! And what do you think, why does the USA value the ally so much ?! And the fact that the statesmen from the USA and Israel have worn out all the Kremlin thresholds, even the Central Intelligence Agency says the main appointment has been made ... so it’s all so, nonsense! Tourism!

[akromaserp]

So what?! S-300 is capable of hitting objects in the sky of Israel!

[il grand casino]

Yeah, are we able to generate objects all over the world? This is not a reason to harass all nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, Syria is not the first to attack. And if Israel attacks, then it will have almost no opportunity to respond. And neither Russia nor other countries in this case will do anything except loud speeches.

[atalef]

Quote: Oper

Well, judging by some comments, Israel defeated everyone! Just yesterday!

So yes, To date, won all the wars

Quote: Oper

that the chess game is complete without starting!

Nothing is finished. Far not an endgame, but someone is already in deep time pressure

Quote: Oper

And why do you think the United States values ​​its ally so much?

Why think about the obvious.
And why does Russia value Syria so much?

Quote: Oper

so it’s all so, nonsense! Tourism!

And why has Russia still not sold to Iran and not delivered to Syria? Persuaded? Or maybe other reasons.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Oper

Well, judging by some comments, Israel defeated everyone! Just yesterday!

So yes, To date, won all the wars

Oh, what are you talking about, Alexander! .. Then why none of the opponents (enemies, enemies, adversaries) of Israel has been completely and irrevocably defeated? .. Although, the concept of "winning a war" primarily provides for just this .. ...
All the enemies of Israel were, and have remained to this day ...

Quote: atalef

And why does Russia value Syria so much?

And high, that’s what it values. Or do you still not like it? ..
And with Syria (mark my word, Alexander) you will break off. Moreover, on a large scale. Even if the entire "universal" Caudle manages to remove Assad. In this case, you will receive a serpentarium under your side and on your borders, which, in the most favorable (for you) scenario, will repeat the Afghan (while the international coalition troops are stationed there) or Libyan (passive anarchy and mediocre mess). But you can also get the Somali scenario (active anarchy and chaos in full) ...
So there are reasons (and very many!) For the so-called. "Israel's victories" will still be plenty ... You are now creating them for yourself ...

[atalef]

Quote: Chicot 1

Oh, what are you saying that, Alexander! .. Then why is not one of the opponents (enemies, enemies, adversaries) of Israel completely defeated and irrevocably? ..

Egypt, Jordan? Peace is made, who is left? Syria? Or who else?

Quote: Chicot 1

And high, that’s what it values. Or do you still not like it? ..

Well, apparently with America you are alike. I’m stoned and you stoned.

Quote: Chicot 1

And with Syria (mark my word, Alexander) you break off

We Syria deep in the drum, and we do not climb there

Quote: Chicot 1

In this case, you will get a serpentarium at your side and at your borders,

He has been with us all his life. with or without Assad. Previously, of course, it was more, but Jordan and Egypt understood - now they do not bite.
I don’t even want to answer everything else with an empty set of letters and slogans. You are more afraid of the fall of Syria and bandyuk (from it) than we are, I still cannot understand why.

[tlauicol]

Explain bluntly. Russia deeply .. to Syria, Russia is afraid of the flow of cheap Qatari oil and gas through the Syrian territory. to Europe, as kirdyk then our Gazprom economy. From here all fuss. Announce Assad tomorrow the construction of the Gulf-Syria-Turkey-Europe gas pipeline and he will immediately become our enemy! Same thing with Iran.
For you Jews, a terrorist is a terrorist! whether it is the Taliban, Al Qaeda or Hezbollah. The USA, Syria, Iran support some, others are at war. And we, Russia, supported the Northern Alliance as opposed to the Taliban - double standards, you know (it seems to me ashamed of one)

[Perch_xnumx]

And we, Russia, supported the Northern Alliance as opposed to the Taliban - double standards, you know (it seems to me ashamed of one)

Supported it how? Weapons delivered. What do you want the Russian guys to do better at the border with the Taliban? So far, in Afghanistan, Ahmad Shah did not bang (who ordered it interestingly), the Americans did not climb into Afghanistan.

For you Jews, a terrorist is a terrorist! whether it is the Taliban, Al Qaeda or Hezbollah. The USA, Syria, Iran support some, others are at war.

Israel won LAU spared for the militants. The allies are more important than some terrorists and terrorist acts, allies need to be pleased.

[Perch_xnumx]

We Syria deep in the drum, and we do not climb there

Self-deception. For your owners, it is not drummed. You will do what they say. They say they will fight. Or do you think Intel, Microsoft, and others. Companies just came to Israel. But they can collect crazy people, friendship is friendship and little tablets. It will not be possible for you to maintain the status quo; it is written in the Old Testament. And these times are coming, through the fault of the people themselves.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: atalef

Egypt, Jordan? Peace is made, who is left?
Jordan and Egypt have understood - now do not bite

Of course, the world and of course do not bite. But this is largely the merit not of the Israeli army, but of American diplomacy and the American dollar ...

Quote: atalef

Well, apparently you are similar to America .yu They are high and they are high

No, Alexander, we are not alike. And the buzz we have is different however ...

Quote: atalef

We Syria deep in the drum, and we do not climb there

Really? .. And I naively thought that delivering a missile-bomb strike on the territory of Syria is the interference from Israel ...
"Two bombardments over two days indicate that Israel is gradually getting drawn into an internal conflict in Syria"... By the way, this is a quote from the material that you, Alexander, provided the site.

Quote: atalef

He has been with us all his life

Do you like it so much? .. If - yes, then I will make it happy - it will be even finer. Why this happens, I wrote above ...

Quote: atalef

You are more afraid of the fall of Syria and bandyuk (from it) than we are, I still cannot understand why.

I think you will understand later. Good thoughts they always come back retroactively. Only sometimes it’s too late ...
You have good medicine ... It would be a pity if all of it switches exclusively to the military field profile ...

Quote: atalef

I don’t even want to answer everything else; an empty set of letters and slogans

Oh, how technically the same! .. Or maybe there is simply nothing to say? .. So write it. I’m a simple person. From the Russian hinterland (and, also, not the most calm). I will certainly understand ...

[zzaharr]

In any system there is a critical link by which its effectiveness is determined. Above in the comments, they correctly pointed out that with mass bombing, no Armor, Torah and Tunguska will save (although it would be interesting to observe the simultaneous work on 150 targets).
In my opinion, the weak point of spice in target designation. Her brain, as I understood from the text of the article, is rather weak for her. Those. she herself cannot understand that this vertical pipe on the knoll is a rocket, but that pipe ... well, it's just a pipe. The target search and capture algorithm is based on a comparison of pictures (it seems - it doesn’t). And here lies the main ambush for developers - how to quickly get these pictures for comparison. It’s one thing to click a Palestinian hut from a satellite, another thing is a mobile complex, which is mobile.
Here the first fiddle will be played not by air defense, but by camouflage and counterintelligence.

[IRBIS]

I've read the comments and it's even scary to write my own - after all, there are only "strategists" on the site, and they are also "specialists". Thinking sensibly, air defense is organized by the "system" in the way that it can exist only in the system. Just tell me, are the suckers planning bomb-assault strikes? After all, they will also be complex. The described air defense system, with all the elements, even we do not have in full now, and even more so in Syria, as shown by the latest Israeli air raids. A combined missile and bomb attack on an air defense system and a simultaneous attack on a missile attack will solve the problem in a day, no more. Opponents from Israel are right, the distances will allow even barreled artillery, whose shells are not intercepted, to be used.
So let's be realistic, if the power operation begins, then it will be successful with minimal losses from the attackers.
As for the bomb presented and its characteristics, skeptics should read physics textbooks.

[zzaharr]

What an optimist you are. )) Tell this to the Pentagon strategists, that is why they plowed for weeks in Iraq and Yugoslavia. Morons, cho))

[IRBIS]

Quote: zzaharr

they plowed for weeks in Iraq and Yugoslavia

The tasks there were different and the situation was different from the existing one. In addition, the system of "contactless" warfare was only being tested. They can establish a "no-fly" zone even today, if such a decision is made.
I also worry about Syria, but I am more a realist than a stubborn romantic. And, without praising the Israeli army, I soberly assess the capabilities of the Arabs. And they are very modest. You can shout slogans, just "hurray!", You can talk about the inability and mental retardation of the Americans and Israelis, but this will not affect the outcome of a military operation, if it is carried out. Let's not lie at least to ourselves.

[zzaharr]

Here the key words are "no-fly" zone and "contactless war". Alas, if you look at the map, then one excludes the other. Israel cannot board an aircraft carrier and sail away from the borders of Syria.
And here it is already worth mentioning the third term - "unacceptable damage"

[Kyrgyz]

It’s ruinous and stupid to shoot rockets from 300ki on the KAB, of course it’s most rational to cover with anti-aircraft guns, the speed of the KAB is low so it’s real, the main thing is to detect, they are small and the worst is that they are cheap they can actually be thrown a hundred and it’s cheaper than losing an airplane . KAB in this case can be fooled by fakes. In general, it is so crowded that any take-off of military aircraft from any territory should be monitored closely before landing, and in the case of missile launch or bombing, one must be determined to destroy the target, even if it is otherwise in its territory. I’m sure that the absence of the C300 in Syria is not connected with pressure from the West, but with the inability to adequately integrate it into the country's defense system, it is not mobile and vulnerable

[Opera]

Quote: atalef

And why has Russia still not sold to Iran and not delivered to Syria? Persuaded? Or maybe other reasons.

Unlike you, I do not have the opportunity to possess the entirety of the information. Apparently you personally had a chance to participate in persuasions! Throw off the details at least in PM. I will not tell anyone!

Quote: atalef

Nothing is finished. Far not an endgame, but someone is already in deep time pressure

Is your countryman moving quietly along the roads of Galilee ?! Sincerely happy for you - fear is a great thing!

[atalef]

Quote: Oper

Is your countryman moving quietly along the roads of Galilee ?! Sincerely happy for you - fear is a great thing!

Who is the countryman? If on the roads of Galilee, then this is Igor 67, he lives in Safed

[Dromac]

In short, the Jews have come to terms with the fact that there will still be supplies of c300. And they start to come up. But we understand the c300 will be reliably covered by a shell. The main thing is not to do stupid things and to cover the delivery of cargo with all means and methods.

[Andy]

hmm, no matter what the winged bomb is, it will fly with a decrease. which means that a reset is necessary for height. From what height is the discharge? Most likely the carrier of the bombs will be within reach of the S-300.
then the representatives of the solar Judestan here prove that from their military airfield to Damascus, 120 km, that is, they will start up bombs almost from the base and immediately argue in bewilderment that "they will be thrown over their airfield". And why not? ...

[Basileus]

It's funny how Jews, armed with bombs that can hit the main targets around Israel, and even with good nuclear potential, scream about the Syrian S-300 and the Iranian nuclear program.

[avant-garde]

Quote: Basileus

squealing about the Syrian S-300 and the Iranian nuclear program.

Because they are accustomed to impunity, that’s why they write from the thought to really get on the teeth, but they are afraid that curls will pull them out

[tlauicol]

Jews did not write to fight on three fronts, living surrounded by 700 million Arabs, they did not write to wet the right people in any sovereign state, even when the United States condemned their actions, and the Americans themselves did not write to wet, so as not to burrow too much. These dudes not afraid and not afraid

[Basileus]

All this, apparently, gives them the right to bomb their neighbors for any reason and without. They don’t even need a test tube, because international law does not exist for Israel.

[tlauicol]

just admit that they are not cowards. love-not love your right

[xan]

Quote: Tlauicol

Jews did not write to fight on three fronts, living surrounded by 700 million Arabs, they did not write to wet the right people in any sovereign state, even when the United States condemned their actions, and the Americans themselves did not write to wet, so as not to burrow too much. These dudes not afraid and not afraid

drink boron
you cannot be so in love

[atalef]

Quote: avant-garde

Because they are accustomed to impunity, that’s why they write from the thought to really get on the teeth, but they are afraid that curls will pull them out

Who pulls, then. Write, and then we sculpt cons, answer - bench press?

[Perch_xnumx]

Who pulls, then. Write, and then we sculpt cons, answer - bench press?

Wait 25-30 years and see for yourself. The apocalypse is not far off, it is better for Israel to think about the soul than to pray on the shekels.

[atalef]

Quote: Perch_1

Wait 25-30 years and see for yourself. Apocalypse is just around the corner

Armageddon, you mean. I travel to this place quite often (Ar Megido is a mountain of megidos), the field nearby is Armegedon. Now there is corn growing. 35 km from Haifa, 5 km from Afula. 15-20 from Nazareth. Beautiful place .

[TRAFFIC]

And why such a kipish, Israel is already armed with GBU-39, which can also plan for a range of more than 100 km. ?

[field_07]

These are just cries of despair. One doesn’t work with 300, they will stand there, for any shell or tunguska, intended specifically for such bombs, and let them not doubt the operability of these systems.

[Averias]

I've also thought about "Pantsir" and "Tunguska". They just work for small-sized purposes. Yes, the good old "Shilka" creates a 30-kilometer barrier for everything flying. No wonder they were originally intended to accompany the columns of tanks. So, it's all doubtful - I'm talking about these bonbs.

[Corneli]

Quote: Averias

Yes, the good old "Shilka" creates a 30 kilometer barrier for everything flying. No wonder they were originally intended to accompany tank columns.

Gun Shilka ?! 30 km ??? !!! And what for all these Buki, Torahs, Tungusks and Shells invented ... if old Shilka shoots further

[Dwarfik]

These things are interesting bombs, but there are more questions than answers! And rightly so, even if, to a first approximation, the bomb is not vulnerable to the S-300, but its delivery vehicle? just right!

[Russ69]

Quote: Basileus

It's funny how Jews, armed with bombs that can hit the main targets around Israel, and even with good nuclear potential, scream about the Syrian S-300 and the Iranian nuclear program.

That's why they are Jews. Although I’m not anti-Semite, the impudence with which Israel makes statements or accuses someone is sometimes astounding. True, some militants are no better.
And as regards Israel’s ability to destroy the C300, I don’t really doubt it. The only question is how much it will cost.

[ed65b]

I understand that the S-300 is not intended to shoot down bombs but their carriers. and he’ll beat off the bombs with a small caliber. naive Jews will freeze crap and will use it to rush about as with a written shell and 300 of your vigorous charges ???? Someone personally saw them ???? Maybe there is nothing so dust in your eyes let yourself comfort yourself. I’m also announcing now that we have a smart bullet in service, having shot in Moscow, it hits a target anywhere in the world, bypassing all obstacles and comparing the photo of the object with nature in real time online. True garbage ?????

[Averias]

Very wonderful garbage. Let them bite, proving that we don’t have such a bullet

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

Where ISRAEL scoops information about the air defense of Syria.
1- SPACE EXPLORATION (data transmitted from the USA)
2-AIRPLANE (data transmitted from reconnaissance aircraft and drones)
3- intelligence intelligence (collecting information from various agents)
4- analistic service collecting information from open sources
5-diplomatic sources of information
and finally the help of opposition fighters
All this can be contrasted with the old proven disinformation methods that were used as far back as the Second World War.

[Denis]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

and finally the help of opposition fighters

The democracy’s beacon with such helpers has already played out. Al Qaeda, they made money in the beginning and threw up arms
So what?

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

Well, actually that photo does not reveal the whole true picture of what happened.
A lot of questions why the Yankees decided that the people who rammed these buildings were from AFGHANISTAN - or maybe they were from QATAR - there is no direct evidence.
On this basis, the Americans decided to invade AFGHANISTAN.
SOMETHING was similar with IRAQ - when an American general waved his Smelly test tube with allegedly weapons of mass destruction to SADDAM HUSSEIN before THE WORLD.
THE SAME RECEPTION WANTED TO BE HELD AND AGAINST ASAD, but in time they realized it too frank lies.

[Denis]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

how much did the Yankees decide that the people who rammed these buildings were from AFGHANISTAN

It’s not so important where, it would be necessary to Antarctica, penguins would be declared terrorists
I'm talking about how they fed al-Qaeda against the USSR and fed up. And with Pakistan, they managed to spoil

[Pimply]

Because there is evidence of the investigation - many volumes.

[atalef]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

Where ISRAEL scoops information about the air defense of Syria.
1- SPACE EXPLORATION (data transmitted from the USA)

Israel has its companions (if this is a secret for you)
The cosmodrome, its own carriers and Israel is one of 7 countries in the world that manufacture their own 5th generation satellites.

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

All this can be contrasted with the old proven disinformation methods that were used as far back as the Second World War.

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

Thank you for the information — I would be grateful if you would tell our public, including me, about the purpose of these satellites and their owners.


Unless of course Mossad allows you.

[Denis]

есть такая инфа http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82
%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8F
The truth about Israeli Baikonur bent

There were only 9 launches.

[atalef]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

Thank you for the information — I would be grateful if you would tell our public, including me, about the purpose of these satellites and their owners.

http://www.israel7.ru/News/News.aspx/154646#.UcgZUTsqzjo
http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/vs/article/6236/
http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82
%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8F

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

To summarize, we can say that today the main problem of the Israeli space program is the deep contradiction between the high potential and the limited resources of Israel. But, given the effectiveness of the results obtained with such scanty funding, one can imagine what the Israelis would have achieved if their space budget were at least three times higher than the current one. And there are people in the country who understand this. Retired Major General Professor Yitzhak bin Israel, Chairman of the Israel Space Agency, is the main “fighter” for increasing the space budget. Ben Israel believes that by raising space costs to $ 130 million a year, the country will be able to receive $ 2 billion in annual revenue. But alas, Israel has enough problems on Earth, and its politicians are not yet up to space. Whether the situation will change - time will tell.
ИIsrael does not possess such resources as the USA and RUSSIA, and therefore the role of ISRAEL in the exploration of SPACE will be reduced mainly to the development of reconnaissance satellites in the interests of the Ministry of Defense.
THANKS YOU THROW UP AN INTERESTING TOPIC, I’ll dig into it in more detail.

[Pimply]

You forgot that Israel has its own satellite constellation.

[Jin]

Guys, it's good to minus indiscriminately! I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking about Israeli applicants! I am for an objective dialogue. Yes, there are a lot of comments that should be followed by a bold "-" (I very rarely put "-" myself, very rarely! But this is everyone's business, I don't order anyone here), but why go to the right and left? They say a lot on the topic, maybe it's worth listening and drawing conclusions ?! Press with arguments and facts, why is it annoying for minusilo already ?! The dispute on the topic turns into the removal of those who are under the flag of Israel ... It smells like Nazism. I do not shield anyone and I have not hired a lawyer, let's prove that someone is wrong by giving undeniable arguments! Dialogue is either constructive or worthless!

Sincerely.

[leon-iv]

From the fat content of the article 100500 trolls / mb information. As always mixed up in a bunch of horses, people are anti-Semitism of semitisy and other isms
The planning bonba vulgarius radar will detect and detect. You can shoot down yes you can.
What's in stock
1 Inertial
2 GPS
3 TV guidance
How to fight
1 Shoot media
2 Target distribution by divisions
3 Maneuvers Divisions with PU for spare SP
4 Issuance of CU to the Carapace.

PS But there will be little sense from everything because 1 S-300 regiment will not survive a raid from 2 sides a priori. The saturation of the Central Committee will not be canceled. And most importantly, Israel has the Golan Heights and this greatly complicates the task of air defense.
ZYY And now the question to the comrades from Israel is that they are better off A secular state at hand or another caliphate at which the hezbollons will be like that, baby talk. And the LCD will have to intercept not single cassams, but Grad volleys, which is much more complicated.

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

leon-iv all of the things you listed a second time first of all you need to imagine how the military vehicle of ISRAEL works in the field of missile and bomb attacks because all successful operations of the JEWS are primarily high-quality reconnaissance (Jews knew all or almost everything about the enemy)
That means that they struck idly should always be one step ahead. THEM — IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT TASK.
Nevertheless, to forecast and plan a response against ISRAELI AVIATION, IT IS POSSIBLE NOT the gods burn the pots - first of all, you need to collect all the information about the Israeli pilots and their command personnel (their service schedule, deployment, equipment and many other things that affect the performance of the combat mission)
I am sure any commander of the air defense system with an analytical mind can correctly organize the reflection of the ISRAELI AIRCRAFT attack.

[leon-iv]

and JEWS is first of all high-quality intelligence (Jews knew all or almost all of the enemy)

But this is the work of the SAM calculations, if they don’t click on litz, it will work.

[atalef]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

Nevertheless, to forecast and plan a response against ISRAELI AVIATION, IT IS POSSIBLE NOT the gods burn the pots - first of all, you need to collect all the information about the Israeli pilots and their command personnel (their service schedule, deployment, equipment and many other things that affect the performance of the combat mission)
I am sure any commander of the air defense system with an analytical mind can correctly organize the reflection of the ISRAELI AIRCRAFT attack.

YOU are right, well, like 2 fingers on the asphalt.

[Hug]

Totally agree with you.

[atalef]

Quote: leon-iv

And now the question to the comrades from Israel is that they are better off Secular state at hand

Which attacked us only 5 times, and then fully supported the terror and Hezbollah

Quote: leon-iv

or another caliphate in which the hezbollons will be so, baby talk

I don’t know, at the moment, Mursi (sort of like an Islamist) is extinguishing the Islamists, Hamas and Hezbollah, as under Mubarak we could not even dream

Quote: leon-iv

And the LCD will have to intercept not single cassams, but Grad volleys which is much more complicated

Well, Kasam has been gone for a long time, well, and somehow we can handle it. I have recently changed my mind a bit. In my opinion, leaving Assad in power does not meet the further interests of Israel.
Over the top he became dependent on Hezbollah and Iran, so it seems to me. not much time will pass and Israel will begin to help throw Assad away, and if we get in, then he will definitely not stay long.

[Arkan]

Quote: atalef

and if we fit in, then he will definitely not stay long.

So what’s the problem - go ahead! Yes, and it’s time to fly to Iran, otherwise we’ve been sick for so many years ... We’ll wait, sir.

[fokino1980]

East is a delicate matter! Mursi will still show himself! Don't flatter yourself

[Scoun]

Quote: fokino1980

East is a delicate matter! Mursi will still show himself!

The real Mursi will prove himself ... don’t go to the grandmother here .. two three months ago this Mursi by means of blackmail, so to speak ... in general, he reminded the Americans that he had done a lot for them and was friends with them and that he would need such further relations .. not a little money is required))) beg for money in clear text in return for his loyalty to the State Department mursi finished chulavek shkurnikus vulgarikus and all.

[leon-iv]

Which attacked us only 5 times, and then fully supported the terror and Hezbollah

So what? Your Golan and this is a key area of ​​your region.

I don’t know, at the moment, Mursi (sort of like an Islamist) is extinguishing the Islamists, Hamas and Hezbollah, as under Mubarak we could not even dream

Some will be replaced by others and all. Meat replacement.

Well, and somehow deal with it.

This is not an option either to occupy in the event of the victory of the Islamists (which they already have little light) Syria.

Over the top he became dependent on Hezbollah and Iran, so it seems to me.

Ummm, if it’s still possible to argue about Iran, then what about Hezbollons?

and if we fit in, then he will definitely not stay long.

IMHO, you have a different goal in this region. And the war will not be like in Lebanon,
Given your political mince inside Israel, none of the governments will go to war.

[uhu189]

Dear atalef. Judging by your comments, you are a patriot of your country. This is worthy of respect, but it seems to me that you greatly underestimate the situation that is unfolding around you. You know, there is a wonderful saying - "Pride comes before the fall." Your pride now is just that. Without a doubt, Israel is a highly developed state with a first-class army, air force and navy, it is foolish to argue with that. But you are not alone, even in the region. And if Mr. Natanyahu believes that it is in Israel's interests to support the Islamist militants and overthrow the government in Syria, then I can assure you that Russia does not think so, but thinks the opposite. And sooner or later the interests of Israel will collide with the interests of other countries (not only Russia). So far, the development of Russia has been restrained only by the scum and traitors in its ruling circles - but God willing, we will deal with them soon. And believe me, a lot will change soon, and you, as a patriot of your country, will not like the changes. Aggression has never done any good, although I admit Israel has reasons for such a foreign policy. Sorry for the long monologue.

[tlauicol]

S-300 Israel, the USA, France, Germany have been familiar for 15 years - thanks to the Greeks and Slovaks! and the Syrians had never seen it in their eyes. The Saudi’s shell had long been dismantled into a screw before the Americans. in general, if we compare the army’s combat readiness with technology, I won’t be surprised if tomorrow the Jewish special forces will take out the C300 complex directly from Tartus after unloading - they already did this with our systems. The whole problem is that when delivering air defense systems, PBRK, tanks to Syria, you need to be prepared for the fact that it will be in the hands of the Jews sooner or later. In the best case, it will be destroyed. Why the hell are we advertising like this?

[Thunderbolt]

The Iron Dome gained worldwide fame during Operation Pillar of Fire for its ability to intercept various types of missiles. There is an increased interest in the system ..... This is even noticeable by the number of people taking pictures against the background of the launcher. I believe that the Chinese and Iranians, who did not have time to do this at the exhibition in India, are trying not to miss this opportunity now.

He laughed about the Iranians, obviously not with the aim of buying (who will sell them) - they are looking for ways to neutralize the system. And about the "bombs", planes armed with such weapons would have to go to the drop point in the S-300 range. So .. ..Another thing is that the S-300 is the most effective and "tenacious" in interaction with other means of defense. And this is imperceptible in Syria, and the "three hundred" themselves are imperceptible. And just like that "for execution" they should not be transferred either, therefore that the armies of the "anti-Syrian coalition" have other types of high-precision weapons, and in intelligence (target designation) they are not bad either. Assad impresses me by the fact that he does not bend under pressure from the West and the "bearded bastard", but he cannot prevent the introduction of a no-fly zone on his own ...

[Hug]

Thunderbolt: Assad appeals to me that he does not bend under the pressure of the West and the "bearded bastard", but he cannot prevent the introduction of a no-fly zone on his own.


I am a Jew, but at the same time I completely agree with you, especially about the "bearded bastard". I think it is in Israel's interests to prevent the fall of Assad.

[kind]

If Israel plans to bomb Syria by dropping bombs outside its territory, why not Syria shoot down planes over Israeli territory.

[Averias]

They must be, they must have decided that we are scared in a minute and fall into hypochondria. And let's tell Syria to surrender. Everyone really knows what the "Iron Dome" is, my neighbor, who served in the Air Defense Forces, drank for a week. Trying to imagine how this very "Dome" can withstand a salvo of MLRS, I could not comprehend. During the use of the "Dome", he missed about 70% of the projectiles fired. So with this bonboy. Well, let them take a chance.

[yanus]

atalef, so quickly and sadly rolled into shit. Not even interesting.

[Totalanigila]

Where did the bomb have a hole in the nose? not ramjet air intake case?
If not, then from a long distance and a relatively low drop height, high speed cannot be achieved from it. And then a unit of the "Shilka" class will work perfectly against such weapons. ;)

[kind]

This is not a hole. Looks like a homing head.

[Wedmak]

Where did the bomb have a hole in the nose? not ramjet air intake case?

Window optical guidance system.

[Professor]

Quote: Wedmak

Window optical guidance system.

Window leaf

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: professor

Quote: Wedmak

Window optical guidance system.

Window leaf

A beautiful little thing ... Crammed with electronics can fly all sorts of pentles can and can fly sharply into space .. (to the moon) ..

[kind]

This smart little bomb belongs to the Spice-1000 and Spice -2000 families. Spice-250 weighs 150 kilograms, does not have an engine

Full bullshit, QUO (circular probabilistic error) it will be huge. Now about the range, it is very difficult to correct the trajectory without an engine, aerodynamic rudders increase aerodynamic drag, it cannot plan to search for ascending flows as a hang glider. The direction of the wind in altitude can vary up to 180 degrees. In short, a bluff for the layman.

[darksoul]

Quote: atalef

Well, judging by some comments, Israel defeated everyone! Just yesterday!

You lost more than once when you were saved from the Nazis, now you are also losing by playing the US games of destabilizing the region... now if you help overthrow Assad, you will have another large nest of Wahhabi crap right next to you...ma...a zone with anarchy, continue in the same spirit, one way or another, you have already lost, and regarding the S-300, if it’s not scary, and not dangerous and woof... but the question is nothing to worry about then and there’s nothing to say, tell your prime minister not to come to us for negotiations in Sochi to cancel the delivery of the S-300, tell him that it is a children's toy for the Jewish army

[Arkan]

Quote: Tartary

For me, it’s to identify Jews in power circles and create(!) street outcasts out of them...

It’s interesting that censorship works on this site; as soon as you say a word about Jews in the media, the comments are deleted...

[kapitan281271]

Guys, please stop making fun of the whole of Russia, one Jew makes all of you so pathetic. The S-300 is a wonderful complex, but I ask you all, do you seriously think that several S-300s will stop a well-planned air strike. As always, we’ll crap ourselves and create anti-advertising for this beautiful car. The T-72 was the best tank in its time and they're crap. Because it was possible to catch more monkeys and put them in place of the trained crews. Even Russian air defense today will be difficult to stop a massive air strike, to put it mildly. We need a set of measures, I’m telling you, which you yourself understand. And it doesn’t matter with this bomb or with the help of Masada, but the complexes will be destroyed and the whole world will laugh at us. If you decide to help, help in an adult manner, specialists will prepare coverage complexes for aircraft coverage, but so that Izy and Moishe with Gris and Zhans will piss off at the mere thought of flying there

[Arkan]

Quote: kapitan281271

We need a set of measures, I’m telling you that you yourself understand everything.

That's right - defensive weapons can only provide the owner with some time to retaliate, therefore Syria needs good strike systems.

[shinobi]

A well-planned Israeli airstrike but without NATO support, with due determination, the Syrians with the help of the S-300 will stop it without much effort. That’s why the Israelis were hysterical. The Israelis have always had a good air force, but they are not designed for modern air defense systems. Even during the Arab-Israeli wars, they preferred to first knock out anti-aircraft systems with artillery, on a tip from drones, and then only launch aviation. And this is despite the qualitative superiority of their air force. Much has changed since then. It is clear that a massive raid by NATO forces will destroy the air defense of Syria, but it will be extremely expensive. This is actually why no one has done this alone and it’s unlikely that they will dare.

[ramsi]

a set of measures?.. How do you imagine it for a third-tier country - the destruction of GPS satellites? massive strikes against all significant targets, throughout the depth of the enemy’s deployment?!. I see that even with the use of terrorist attacks in the main aggressor countries - insoluble problems!

[Valentinv]

The F16 can fly up to these 100 km, the range of the S300 is from 200 km

[il grand casino]

1) What does 200 km mean? Is it really any closer?)))
2) Damascus is 60 km away. From Israel

[Valentinv]

depending on the modification, the maximum launch range is up to 200 km for the first options, and up to 300 km for the latter. Well, if Damascus is 60 km from Israel, they can control part of Israeli airspace. I remember the history of the Greek S300 in Cyprus, which covered almost half of Turkey

[forma2]

Duck or not, that is not the question!
It’s possible to do something simpler with the Russian S-300s: put a special forces detachment on a Syrian minibus, go out in the area where the S-300s are deployed, sneak up unnoticed at night, eliminate the guards and take these S-300s to Israel (if it’s profitable, then take them into service - remember captured Arab tanks).
The point is different: what steps does Israel intend to take?
Until his horns are broken off (children return to their mothers, husbands to their wives, etc., etc.) They will calm down.
They imagine themselves as AUTHORITIES.

[shinobi]

It’s funny, an ordinary gliding bomb is positioned as a means of hacking air defense. What special missiles tailored for these purposes do not always succeed in is left to bombs with their subsonic speeds? Sorry, but these are unscientific fantasies of PR people.

[uhu189]

It is somehow doubtful that a gliding bomb, by inertia, will be able to fly so far, 100 km. Very doubtful. I came across an article that described an experiment - a MIG-25 dropped bombs at a speed of Mach 2,5 at an altitude of 22 km - the bomb flew about 40 km from the release point. But this is a Mig-25, and from almost maximum height and maximum speed. But if a headwind blows, or a sandstorm blows, it will still affect the speed and range. What kind of targeted bombing are we talking about here? In addition, gliding bombs are a good target for small arms and cannon air defense systems aimed through optical channels - their speed is not very high (compared to a rocket and an airplane), and they cannot maneuver. So, in theory, “Pantsir” can easily cope with such a super-weapon. So I'm sorry - but I don't believe it.

[Windbreak]

Another Russian company that works with the largest companies - developers and manufacturers of aviation equipment - is State Scientific and Production Enterprise "Basalt". At Le Bourget 2009, the company presented 16 product samples (8 of them in the form of mock-ups), which relate to aviation weapons. Among them, it is worth highlighting the unified gliding bomb cluster of 500 kg caliber PBK-500U with self-aiming combat elements SPBE-K. The cassette is designed for 100/10 and all-weather use. It ensures the destruction of armored vehicles, air defense systems, command posts and military structures that have thermal or radar contrast relative to the underlying surface in conditions of natural and artificial interference from a height of 000 to 700 meters when dropped from an aircraft flying at a speed of 1100-10 km/h . The range of application from a height of 50 thousand meters is about XNUMX km

[georg737577]

Blow up Kuzka's Mother over Israel and you can forget about these bombs. And much more. They will blame it on Arab terrorists anyway...

[Tourist Breakfast]

It’s funny, an ordinary gliding bomb is positioned as a means of hacking air defense. What special missiles tailored for these purposes do not always succeed in is left to bombs with their subsonic speeds? Sorry, but these are unscientific fantasies of PR people.

The fact is that in the final segment of the trajectory the KAB dives onto the target almost vertically, like an ordinary aerial bomb.

The tracking radar of the same "Pantsir" has a maximum viewing angle of 60 degrees. It may not be enough. This is not to mention the low RCS of such KABs.

[Sergey_K]

This diagram is missing one ingredient. We need to give the Arab crew of the air defense system money so that they can climb so close under the mountains. And I can tell you this will be a considerable amount. This is a piece of goods!

[Tourist Breakfast]

This diagram is missing one ingredient. We need to give the Arab crew of the air defense system money so that they can climb so close under the mountains. And I can tell you this will be a considerable amount. This is a piece of goods!

You are looking at the top option. The mountains don't play a role there. And so, there are mountains in the area. So we need to give the Arab air defense crew shovels so that they can tear down the Golan.

[Arkan]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

The tracking radar of the same "Pantsir" has a maximum viewing angle of 60 degrees. May not be enough

In theory, the "craters" should be covered by neighboring air defense systems - they won't choose positions... And I repeat - Assad promised Israel a "strategic" response... Israel is able to destroy simultaneously with air defense and tactical missiles of the Syrian army (and possibly and Iran)?

[Tourist Breakfast]

In theory, the “craters” should be covered by neighboring air defense systems - they won’t choose positions...

Will not work. On a flat trajectory, the CAB is inaccessible in altitude for short-range air defense systems. And when the KAB goes into a dive, it is practically a free-falling aerial bomb.

Assad promised Israel a “strategic” response... Is Israel able to simultaneously destroy the air defense and tactical missiles of the Syrian army (and possibly Iran)?

We discuss an interview with Rafael's sales manager conducted during the exhibition. He can provide data about his product, but it is not within his competence to plan military operations against other countries with all that it entails.

[Makarov]

Well done!...we just have to wait another 20 years for them to come up with a bomb against the S400, and then another 50 so that they can learn how to fight the 500....the fight against yesterday is going well.....

[kapitan281271]

And yet I insist on looking at the root. What difference does it make? With such an approach, even take the lasar guns from the Martians and give them to Aced, they will destroy them. We need political will. The whole spectrum of measures is needed. You understand, Israel is launching strikes from its territory, imagine an operator at the radar screen, he sees a light, but it is over the territory of another state, it is necessary to open fire recently, the enemy should use at least anti-radar missiles, how to do this in the morning, a bloodthirsty howl will rise up Ased beat the Nepalese virgins arriving on an aerial excursion The guys need to be told, “We are deploying complexes here, don’t fly there for a couple of days in case something happens, and if it does, we warned you, pray.” But the trouble is that ours again want to slip between *****, and it doesn’t happen either we help or not. Here this son of Israel mumbled something about Russian weapons, let him ask those guys who had to discontinue the F-117 after their encounters with poor Russian weapons in Yugoslavia, the complexes there were from the 60s (so far these are the only complexes that have destroyed stealth). And just don’t say that we won anyway. Yes, they won, but not by force of arms, and ours were once again treated like suckers, they say you will come to an agreement with Melosovich and we guarantee the integrity of Yugoslavia, but this was after a two-month observation that did nothing but only embittered and united the south, this is where Russia was needed, this is where the strength and effectiveness of the weapons

[Aaron Zawi]

Damn, they already got Heil-Avir. The entire budget was raked. When they promised that every line platoon would include a “Mini Spike,” but so far things haven’t gone further than Sayeroth. Of course, SV, as always, is kept on a starvation diet until the last minute.

[slaventi]

If everything is so simple, he threw a bomb and there are no problems. Then why make a fuss to the whole world? Official circles in Israel say that the air defense system could fall into the hands of terrorists. The use of the S-300 by Hezbollah militants or another group is simply fantastic. This means that everything is far from true as in this article. But modifications of the S-300 can not only control the skies of Israel but also work on ground targets and even very accurately. The insufficient charge power compared to ballistic missiles, for example scud, etc., is compensated by high accuracy, you can destroy almost any object within the missile’s striking range. The S-300 anti-aircraft missile system uses a single-stage solid-propellant 48N6E missile, which develops a maximum speed of over 2000 m/sec. It is unknown which S-300s will be delivered. But to shoot down an S-300 missile with the help of an iron dome, to put it mildly, is simply unrealistic, and even with the help of a petreot.

[Arkan]

Quote: slaventi

So everything is far from the same as in this article.

+ + + That’s right, they started developing this bomb in Israel before the problem of the Syrian S-300 was relevant for the Jews - it has a different purpose. This article is an advertisement for a new product, and the S-300 is an additional argument for the Israeli taxpayer.

[knn54]

-In addition, one F-16 aircraft is capable of 16 Spice-250 bombs...
16 bombs for 9 hardpoints?
The S-300 should cover the Pantsyr-S1.
You can also fight the “optoelectronic homing head”, for example, a continuous smoke screen.
GPS can also be confused.

[Professor]

Quote: knn54

-In addition, one F-16 aircraft is capable of 16 Spice-250 bombs...
16 bombs for 9 hardpoints?
The S-300 should cover the Pantsyr-S1.
You can also fight the “optoelectronic homing head”, for example, a continuous smoke screen.
GPS can also be confused.

How many suspension points are there on the F-16? What is GPS connected to?

[knn54]

-Professor: 9(https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon), if we are talking about F16.
PS The speed of bomb planning in the planning section, I think, is no more than 400 km/h.
Otherwise, you need to have “small” wings, which are not compatible with high aerodynamics, and therefore the indicated gliding range...
PPS There are also people in Israel, and the military and scientists are also capable of “laundering money”, but only more gracefully than ours...

[Professor]

Professor: 9

One bomb at each point? There are 4...

Quote: knn54

PPS There are also people in Israel, and the military and scientists are also capable of “laundering money”, but only more gracefully than ours...

Israel, unlike you, is fighting and the army will not buy bullshit. An American bomb flies 110 km.

[fedorovith]

It’s not clear what the noise is, they were running around “everything is lost S-300”, save yourself who can, now Spise will save everyone. Well, let him save, what is gundos even about...

[alihan.kz]

Russia already has S-500 hahahaha

[tlauicol]

what is the price ? cheaper than hundreds of HARMS?

[Anat1974]

I just want to write below the article “To go to the advertiser’s website CLICK HERE”

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Well, of course, the professor was down on the subject of flying winged bombs.. It was an interesting and very informative read.. Only the lionfish will be intercepted, or the most interesting thing will be the hunt for those who released them.. This will be more interesting... the game...

[INVESTOR]

Quote: professor

Quote: rolik

But this is all and charm. Fell planes directly at the airfields, already wrote about this.

You already wrote this nonsense. Are radars able to see through the mountains? A rhetorical question.

Quote: rolik

Take the air defense a little further, kilometers to 150 and here it is, a small fluffy creature that will show sharp teeth to brave Jewish pilots.

And what will it cover in the desert? And what will cover Damascus? Israel will then be able to bomb with impunity over the Golan Heights without leaving stone unturned in the Syrian capital. What is this animal called?

Toothpaste


One AWACS aircraft and the mountains will become transparent, plus illumination from ships in Middle-earth.

[ed65b]

Hello professor!!!! As the leader of the Comanches, you should establish discipline and not get in front of your dad, With all due respect to you.

[INVESTOR]

[quote=atalef][quote=Jin]So I keep reading and reading you, it’s literally our weapon[/quote]
If we talk about air defense, then r ... oh better. you can use it even for fertilizer,

, Your weapon did not work.

Hitler thought so too.

[Toit]

Ariel Sharon, in 73, said “Our happiness is that behind every Soviet gun there is an Arab,” so the weapons have nothing to do with it, the problem is with the users

[harrymur]

here on the site from Israel there are only provocateurs, skillful by the way, and on the topic the Jews will not allow the technological superiority of the Arabs near their borders, their right (bravo Jews), read how they rejoice that for unknown reasons, a 5-year-old hefty container ship with weapons for the rebels in Syria , took it and broke))), they are cunning bastards)) a real Soviet republic)))

[-ш-]

another "iron dome"...

[Stamp]

The global trend today is to reduce the cost of weapons. Defense budgets are being cut around the world, so customers are interested in low prices, but are not willing to make compromises. In this case, they will receive a small and inexpensive product. This is not a simple technology challenge

Here, of course, a comparative analysis of the cost of the S-300 missile and this spice-250 bomb would not hurt, it may not be profitable, on the other hand, the Israeli “iron dome” is fighting kasam-type missiles, which are made almost from water pipes in the Sector Gaza, the cost of such a missile is clearly cheaper for Hamas.

[Smaug]

by Amir Bukhbut. and in small letters like this: translation professor.

[Urri]

Quote: professor

These and similar bombs can be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea

1 Dropping bombs
2 3 SCADA at the airfield canteen in Haifa
3 Emergency take-off of IS and attack aircraft of the Israeli Air Force
4 Massive attack by Points and Hurricanes on airfield runways
5 Please sit down
6 Like during an attack regarding a downed Turkish intelligence officer, behind the scenes Lavrov’s insinuating offer to present telemetry clarifying the incident with the facts of the original event according to paragraph 1

[Toit]

Quote: Urri

2 3 SCADA at the airfield canteen in Haifa

There are no military airfields in Haifa, and you still have to hit them with scuds, a surprisingly oblique thing
Runways are repaired in half an hour

[Professor]

Quote: Urri

Quote: professor

These and similar bombs can be dropped over the Mediterranean Sea

1 Dropping bombs
2 3 SCADA at the airfield canteen in Haifa
3 Emergency take-off of IS and attack aircraft of the Israeli Air Force
4 Massive attack by Points and Hurricanes on airfield runways
5 Please sit down
6 Like during an attack regarding a downed Turkish intelligence officer, behind the scenes Lavrov’s insinuating offer to present telemetry clarifying the incident with the facts of the original event according to paragraph 1

1 ...
2. There is no one in the canteens, the planes are in the air. Scuds are intercepted by Hetz, those that get through will not get hit.
3. Already in the air
4. Points are knocked down by David’s Sling, those that slipped through and hit the runway... 20 minutes with epoxy foam and the runway is in perfect order. Hurricanes don't finish...
5. we sit on the spare or on the highway
6. Lavrov nervously smokes on the sidelines

[Scoun]

Quote: Urri

4 Massive strike with Points and Hurricanes on airfield runways

Quote: professor

6. Lavrov smokes nervously on the sidelines

Can I also dream up a little))
1. Lavrov smokes nervously and with the words.....eh Khatul madan...get a fascist grenade...and after some time, explosions of electromagnetic charges (bomb missiles) are heard in the sky of Israel..everything is blinded and de-energized..they are urgently launched backup sources and so on and so on... and then everyone sees how the sky is streaked with traces of the "Hurricanes" on the American flag and the explosions from the "Points" bloom like stars (I don't remember the name of the modification that is blown up at altitude)...
Then the stunned residents of Israel... saw an avalanche of goiter rolling over the concrete fences.....
Beavers! maybe it's time to breathe out? I'm announcing a smoke break!

[-ш-]

ahahahahahatul madan

[Arkan]

Quote: professor

1 ...
2. There is no one in the canteens, the planes are in the air. Scuds are intercepted by Hetz, those that get through will not get hit.
3. Already in the air
4. Points are knocked down by David’s Sling, those that slipped through and hit the runway... 20 minutes with epoxy foam and the runway is in perfect order. Hurricanes don't finish...
5. we sit on the spare or on the highway
6. Lavrov nervously smokes on the sidelines

7. Articles appear in the world media that “The reason for Iran’s preventive nuclear strike on Israel was information received from a group of Israeli dissidents close to Israeli intelligence circles, who made the bloody plans of the Israeli military public... The world will forever remember the famous Israeli analyst Pimply and his faithful associates Professor, atalef... who thwarted anti-human plans..."

[-ш-]

so self-confident)

[2sila]

Somehow, conveniently, all the problems of the existence of modern Israel have been reduced to the appearance of a small gliding bomb. I understand the joy of the local Jewish population with this small and victorious achievement, but I don’t understand how this can affect the overall picture of the existence of the Jewish population there? There are more bombs there, but there is still no peace and tranquility. The people exist in a state of permanent stress, fear and war, taxes are pi........, prices are pi......., the top of a career is a cleaning foreman in a car park or a security guard, buy a 10-year-old garbage dump on wheels for happiness.
Who else will tolerate this?!
Damn, they put up with everything there, others would have fled long ago, or would have started some kind of ............ SPRING.

But a new hundred-pound bomb is needed.

[rero]

spice 2000 flies 60 km, it was used many times and somehow the shells and other systems could not be shot down, although this bomb is much larger in size..spice 250 will fly 100 km, that’s for sure and will be much smaller in size

[Kirgudum]

Was the Shell used against spise? Or spise against Shell?

[Timtom]

Quote: professor

Thousands of non-improvised missiles were launched across Israel, including those more powerful than Iskander, and the state did not cease to exist.

I don’t even know what magic thing you’re smoking there if you’re making such claims.
It’s not homemade missiles that you need to be afraid of, but the repetition of past mistakes that led to defeats.
I understand that I don’t want to admit defeat - it’s not convenient. But facts are stubborn things. Therefore, there is no need for chutzpah in matters relating to war and peace. Believe me, this is unnecessary.
After all, all the weapons that you are now pumping into terrorists will ultimately end up in the hands of Hezbollah. And again the Merkavas will burn and there will be defeat again. And beautiful care, of course. But this time, there will be much more losses of combat aircraft - helicopters and airplanes.

What other war with Syria are you talking about if you yourself, together with your colleagues from Washington, have already distributed so many mobile anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons to the Arab terrorists that it will be enough to destroy all the tanks and all the Israeli aviation.
But your most important mistake is that you opened Pandora's box. Now anyone can give this weapon to anyone and in any quantity. And then watch what’s happening, chewing popcorn and shrugging your shoulders - like “what does this have to do with me”?

[Pimply]

You see defeat in the cessation of shelling in the north. Well, in Egypt and Syria, for example, they are confident that they won the Yom Kippur War

[Professor]

Quote: TimTom

I don’t even know what magic thing you’re smoking there if you’re making such claims.

I sniff glue

Quote: TimTom

I understand that I don’t want to admit defeat - it’s not convenient. But facts are stubborn things.

Here you are right, facts are stubborn things. Bring data defeat of Israel and we will laugh together.

Quote: TimTom

After all, all the weapons you are now pumping into terrorists...

Facts and material evidence to the studio

[Timtom]

Professor, I understand that you are clearly an extraordinary person. In your inflamed mind, anyone who does not support the nonsense about missiles “more powerful than Iskander” allegedly fired at Israel is, of course, “sniffing glue.” It can’t be otherwise, can it?

For information:
“In terms of its effectiveness, taking into account the total combat capabilities, the Iskander operational-tactical missile system is equivalent to a nuclear weapon”:
http://x2t.com/230469

As for Israel’s defeats, please, offhand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihAEmmpcBKQ
It was a defeat from ATGMs. Of course, it was veiled with various beautiful words, but due to the multitude of words, this well-known defeat of Israel did not become a victory.

I can say the same about 2006.
DEFEAT IN LEBANON:
http://x2t.com/230471
Although you, of course, can call this defeat a “victory” - you, as I understand it, are clearly an extraordinary person.

By the way, where is that corporal whose kidnapping started the 2006 war?

An unstable hero: Corporal Gilad Shalit showed weakness and surrendered to the Palestinians without a fight:
http://russian.rt.com/article/6635

Israel argued that until the Arabs return the “kidnapped” IDF Corporal Gilad Shalit, the fighting will not stop. But the fighting stopped without handing over the prisoner. And all the media suddenly forgot about the prisoner because of whom the war began and fell silent, as if he never existed. Another victory for Israel, isn't it?
I understand that he was eventually released - in 2011. And they pointedly handed it over not to Israel, but to Egypt. This, of course, is also a victory, from your point of view, I have no doubt. But I’m not talking about your point of view, but about the facts of Israel’s defeats, sorry.

By the way, I am absolutely not an enemy of Israel and the Jews. Moreover, I sincerely love this country and the people who inhabit it.
I just don’t like idiots, regardless of nationality, religion or position.

[Timtom]

Professor, without slogans and speculation, the reason for Israel’s defeat in the 2006 war is as follows:

"August 30, 2006
"A red star"

Israeli defense experts are sounding the alarm. And there is a reason for this. In the last week of fighting in Lebanon alone, the Israeli army lost three dozen Merkava tanks. Let us remember that they are advertised as one of the most secure and equipped with the most modern equipment in the world. Such tank losses have never occurred in any Israeli Middle Eastern campaign. According to Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz and Homeland Security Minister Avi Dichter, the armored vehicles were destroyed by modern Russian-made anti-tank systems supplied to Hezbollah from Moscow. It implied the use of RPG-29 Vampire hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers against tanks."
http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/topic554.html

AT-4 Fagot, AT-14 Kornet vs Merkava in Lebanon
http://rutube.ru/video/c6b44bca94ce986920b5ed22e68868a6/

[Professor]

Quote: TimTom

In the last week of fighting in Lebanon alone, the Israeli army lost three dozen Merkava tanks.

Did you bring the glue? As many as 5 (five) tanks were irretrievably lost, two of which were land mines. Go learn history and materiel, otherwise I’ll stop feeding you.

[Timtom]

Provessor, you are confusing two different concepts: “Facts” and “Propaganda”.
I repeat, I am not talking about propaganda, but about facts. Even according to underestimated data published in Western media (Canadian and US publications), Israeli losses amounted to 44 Merkava tanks. And this does not count the losses of armored personnel carriers and other equipment.

Numerous statements and protests from Israel regarding the appearance of Russian Kornet anti-tank systems in Hezbollah, from your point of view, look like completely unfounded hysterics.

But you have the right to remain captive of your illusions further. More precisely, in captivity of illusions imposed on you by official propaganda.
Do you want to believe in Israel's victory? Believe - it's your right.
Do you want to believe in the "kidnapping" of an Israeli army corporal, instead of his surrender without resistance?
Believe - and this is your right.
As they say: “Blessed is he who believes.”

[Pimply]

To begin with, learn to correctly write the name of your opponent in a dispute. Secondly, there is accurate data on all tanks of the second Lebanese. 51 defeats, of which 49 were hit, 24 hulls were penetrated, 5 tanks were lost irretrievably (2 to landmines), 16 were evacuated to the factory for repairs, the rest returned to duty within 48 hours. You argue as if tanks should be completely invulnerable, and whether victory or not depends on the number of tanks hit.

Stop talking nonsense, you are our illiterate. And stop being hysterical. You have a big fat zero knowledge of both the history of the Middle East and its realities.

[Professor]

Quote: TimTom

Provessor, you are confusing two different concepts: “Facts” and “Propaganda”.

So far I have not noticed any facts in your comments. I'm waiting for evidence!

Quote: TimTom

But you have the right to remain captive of your illusions further. More precisely, in captivity of illusions imposed on you by official propaganda.

Defeat this propaganda with facts. I am sure that apart from the next vague and lengthy phrases, I will not hear anything concrete from you.

[Professor]

Quote: TimTom

“In terms of its effectiveness, taking into account the total combat capabilities, the Iskander operational-tactical missile system is equivalent to a nuclear weapon”:

I see more than just sniffing glue. Is 480 kg of TNT equivalent to a nuclear explosion?

Although you, of course, can call this defeat a “victory” - you, as I understand it, are clearly an extraordinary person

Your link to some forum looks like cheap trolling. The goals stated by Prime Minister Olmert before the Knesset in the summer of 2006 were largely achieved. Where is the defeat? Data?

Quote: TimTom

By the way, where is that corporal whose kidnapping started the 2006 war?

You have absolute ignorance of events. Shalit was kidnapped in Gaza, and as we know, the war was in Lebanon and not at all because of him.

Quote: TimTom

Israel argued that until the Arabs return the “kidnapped” IDF Corporal Gilad Shalit, the fighting will not stop. But the fighting stopped without handing over the prisoner. And all the media suddenly forgot about the prisoner because of whom the war began and fell silent, as if he never existed. Another victory for Israel, isn't it?

Don't fantasize. What kind of fighting? In Gaza? They were starved out, killed more than 3 thousand Hamas members and exchanged one corporal for 1027 prisoners. Haniyeh celebrated the victory (1000 prisoners for 3000 corpses isn't that a victory?) and made a strategic decision not to kidnap any more soldiers.

You are either a dreamer or a liar. The media did not remain silent about Shalit for a single day. For example, on the most popular television channel (Second Israeli), one of the highest-rated programs always ended with a message about how many days Shalit has been in captivity. And so every day.

As a result, Shalit is walking around South America, Hamas received 1027 prisoners (less since some were recaptured), 3000 corpses of Hamas members and 6 years of blockade that cost them billions of dollars. This is a victory for Hamas.

Quote: TimTom

I just don’t like idiots, regardless of nationality, religion or position.

Don't be so self-critical and learn history and materiel - this will help you.

[Timtom]

Quote: professor

Don't fantasize. What kind of fighting? In Gaza? They were starved out, killed more than 3 thousand Hamas members and exchanged one corporal for 1027 prisoners. Haniyeh celebrated the victory (1000 prisoners for 3000 corpses isn't that a victory?) and made a strategic decision not to kidnap any more soldiers.

And again we look not at la-la and boo-boo, but at the facts:
During the war in Lebanon (July 12 - August 14, 2006), Hezbollah militants managed to knock out 48 Israeli tanks (24 of them suffered serious damage - armor was pierced). At the same time, the irretrievable losses of the IDF amounted to 5 vehicles - 3 tanks were destroyed by ATGMs, 2 were blown up by landmines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BvUVBfC8Wg
That is, you, as a victim of propaganda, are trying to convince the people that only 5 Merkava tanks were KILLED. But in fact, 48 Merkavas were shot down and 5 of them were “irreparable.” This is the difference, dear professor, between “facts” and “propaganda.”

Quote: professor

You are either a dreamer or a liar. The media did not remain silent about Shalit for a single day. For example, on the most popular television channel (Second Israeli), one of the highest-rated programs always ended with a message about how many days Shalit has been in captivity. And so every day.

And again the facts: The fighting lasted from July 12 to August 14, 2006. At the time of the cessation of hostilities, not a single one of the prisoners (from the point of view of propaganda of the “kidnapped”) had been returned to Israel. Everything else is, excuse me, just words about nothing. After the cessation of hostilities, all mentions of prisoners disappeared from the media, since in fact, the publicly stated goals of the military operation were not achieved.

Quote: professor

As a result, Shalit is walking around South America, Hamas received 1027 prisoners (less since some were recaptured), 3000 corpses of Hamas members and 6 years of blockade that cost them billions of dollars. This is a victory for Hamas. fellow

Well, if all this consoles you and allows you to consider defeat a victory, then I certainly have no right to disappoint you. Stand by your opinion. But keep in mind - this is not a victory over the enemy, it is a victory only over your own mind.

Be more self-critical and learn history and materiel - this will help you. hi

[Professor]

Quote: TimTom

Hezbollah militants managed to knock out 48 Israeli tanks

Veschdoki in the studio.


You are simply a giant. The video shows the shelling of an empty tank in the area of ​​the village of Rajar long before the Tsahal left Lebanon until 2001. The video was shown on El Manar. There was no penetration of the armor. Learn materiel.

The publicly stated goals of the military operation were not achieved.

List of publicly declared goals please.

[2sila]

The defeat does not lie on the surface, and therefore only an opponent with a theorem that has not been narrowed down to a primitive calculation of the amount of lost equipment can see it. Israel lost for the first time in PLANNING! This has never happened, well, except for the “sudden” crossing of the canal in the Yom Kippur War.
Of course, we can now legalize and voice that during the operation in Lebanon all the goals and objectives were achieved, but......
Where can I find out what the goals were in the orders?! Nowhere?! Can I look somewhere? Israel does not comment... And it is clear why it is always done this way, so as not to answer to public opinion. Very comfortably.
This means it is impossible to say that all goals were achieved.
Even if some goals were achieved, they are so local and tactically insignificant that it is simply ridiculous to talk about it, since the resource involved on both sides is simply hypercomical!
Even here I’m not afraid to exaggerate and trivialize a little by juxtaposing on the one hand several thousand “hezbolites” with a couple of hundred ATGMs on the one hand and a state militarized to the very tomatoes in the half-stage of military democracy, stuffed with the most advanced military features, overwhelming air superiority, SPACE intelligence, zhps)!, which involved the fleet, which has unlimited resources in supporting the US IOT in everything from words to arsenals, I don’t want to talk about the military budget. And the result is obvious - “one and a half thousand annihilated hezbolites”?!
And this is not DEFEAT?!
And somewhere above you asked me to remind you about the defeat of Israel?
And it still exists.
Remember the famous words of Golda M. about the fact that the time has not yet come to draw the borders of the State of Israel? Which in essence are the rationale for all wars initiated by Israel. Exactly!
Israel needs (at least needed) territories! And it was Golda who spoke the truth, and not the Israeli ambassador in Moscow, who was making up nonsense for the ignorant about the obstacle to navigation on the canal.
Israel eventually lost almost all of its conquests, well, maybe except for Gollan.
This is Israel’s defeat, albeit a slightly geopolitical one, which is unlikely to be corrected.
Well, the Gollans are definitely his.

[Timtom]

By the way, what is written by the Israeli media and those authors who do not consider victory over one’s own mind a victory over the enemy:

17.05 13:18 Ira Kogan
First loss
May 24 marks 10 years since the withdrawal of Israeli troops from southern Lebanon - an event that the world called Israel's first military defeat.
http://www.mignews.com/news/analitic/world/170510_131807_26019.html

[Marconi41]

Unnoticed, everyone moved away from the article itself! So there is no need to bother with bombs to destroy the Syrian S-300s. The bearer of this weapon will be high and very visible. It is much easier to attack from low altitudes (and the Israelis know how to do this); the time for a response will be very short. Israeli opponents correctly noted: Syria’s air defense either fights poorly or doesn’t fight at all, in which case you can even supply Assad with the S-500, it won’t do any good. Syria, in its position, cannot fight on 2 fronts, which means that if Israel decides to carry out another “precision” strike, it will easily succeed.
Before arguing, you need to know at least about attempts to use Syrian air defense. If several missiles were fired “into milk”, it means “failure”. But if the complexes were not used at all, it means either there was no command to use them, or the Syrians simply overslept. And technology has absolutely nothing to do with it!

[Tan4ik]

Yes, if it could cope with the S-300 (I very deeply doubt this), then we have the S-400

[Marconi41]

Of course have! Moscow is guarded. Let's take them down and give them to Assad?!

[EGORKA]

What's the argument? Journalists know how to screw up the name and off they go), although it seems clear to everyone that the S-300 is not intended to destroy such targets. Or maybe not, experts know this.

[slaventi]

Quote: Marconi41

Syria's air defense either fights poorly or doesn't fight at all, in which case you can at least supply Assad with the S-500, it won't do any good. Syria, in its position, cannot fight on 2 fronts, which means that if Israel decides to carry out another “precision” strike, it will easily succeed

In 2006, it didn’t work out easily in the Lebanese company, but here the stakes are different, and if it doesn’t work out easily, it will be bad for Israel. Even 5-6 years ago, no one would have asked permission from the Security Council, With Syria it would have been the same as with Libya And there would be no need for open Israeli intervention. Now they cannot. America has eased the crisis, the situation in the world has changed, many countries, including Briggs, are ready to throw off the American yoke. And not Assad, perhaps the Hague Tribunal will be waiting, but America will be in Nuremberg.

[Timtom]

Quote: professor

I see more than just sniffing glue. Is 480 kg of TNT equivalent to a nuclear explosion?

Do you have information that Iskander missiles are equipped with TNT? Or do you know nothing about other explosives besides TNT?
Haven’t you heard about the three possible types of Iskander warheads, including nuclear?
Take the trouble to find out, professor:
http://topwar.ru/24090-zapadnyy-voennyy-okrug-v-blizhayshee-vremya-poluchit-otrk
-iskander-mi-obt-t-90.html

In this connection, your statement about repeated attacks on Israel with missiles with a destructive power greater than that of the Iskanders sounds nothing less than profanation.

Quote: professor

Your link to some forum looks like cheap trolling. The goals stated by Prime Minister Olmert before the Knesset in the summer of 2006 were largely achieved. Where is the defeat? Data?

Oh, so you won’t find my link? That's what they would have said right away. Here are 9 thousand more links for the query "Israel's defeat in Lebanon." Choose from them the ones you like.
For example this one:
September 22, 2006, 13:55 pm
last updated: September 22, 2006,
Brigadier General Ilan Arari, head of the Education Department in the Israel Defense Forces, said at a closed meeting of senior officers that Israel lost the war in Lebanon, NEWSru Israel reports with reference to Ha'aretz
http://www.newsru.com/world/22sep2006/porazhenie.html

Quote: professor

You have absolute ignorance of events. Shalit was kidnapped in Gaza, and as we know, the war was in Lebanon and not at all because of him.

Yes of course. And Israel had different goals and the Lebanese grenades were “of the wrong system.” All clear. Read: http://x2t.com/230507

[Professor]

I told you, this is the last time I feed her - now it’s definitely the last time.

Quote: TimTom

In this connection, your statement about repeated attacks on Israel with missiles with a destructive power greater than that of the Iskanders sounds nothing less than profanation.

Dear materiel. The Scud carries twice as much warhead as the Iskander, no matter how you look at it, be it nuclear, even conventional, or concrete (and such ones were used in Israel).

Quote: TimTom

Oh, so you won’t find my link?

Because it does not contain a list of goals set for the army and the degree of their implementation.

Quote: TimTom

Yes of course. And Israel had different goals and the Lebanese grenades were “of the wrong system.”

Educational program for you for the last time. Corporal Gilad Shalit, son of Noam Shalit, engineer Iskar and Aviva Shalit, living in Mitzpe Ila, were kidnapped on the border with the Gaza Strip not even by the Hamas movement and certainly not by Hezbollah. The Second Lebanon War began much later with the killing and body-snatching of two Israeli reservists by Hezbollah on the Lebanese border. This is the story, young man.

[Kirgudum]

The Scud carries twice the warhead of the Iskander

- despite your boorish treatment of forum members, I politely ask you, grandfather - do you really not understand what the advantage of Iskander missiles is, or are you just trolling?

[Professor]

Quote: Kirgudum

despite your boorish treatment of forum members

If you are rude, then contact the administration with a corresponding complaint - they will take action.

you really don’t understand what is the advantage of Iskander missiles

I understand well the advantage of the Iskander miracle weapon: declared accuracy and declared invulnerability (what about combat experience?).

Meanwhile, Russia bombed the Georgian runways in Kopitnari with four Tu-22M3s on August 9, 2008, and the miracle weapon (comparable to a nuclear bomb) was apparently rusting in the warehouse. About 100 bombs - 5 hits. Special thanks to the brave Georgian air defense soldiers. The Syrians will succeed.

Sinaki, one completely missed the lane.

April 17, 1999, bombing of the Yugoslav airfield Obrva by a single US Air Force B-2 Spirit bomber.

Beirut, summer 2006

So I am calm about Israeli airfields.

[Windbreak]

There is no smell of a nuclear equivalent there, even if the warhead has a volumetric detonating effect. ODAB-500, with an explosive weight of 193 kg, has the equivalent of a ton of TNT.

[Timtom]

Quote: professor

Defeat this propaganda with facts. I am sure that apart from the next vague and lengthy phrases, I will not hear anything concrete from you.

All I do is present facts along with links to sources of information. From you there is only la-la and boo-boo and endless demands for more and more new facts. Probably 9 thousand links about “Israel's defeat in Lebanon” that Google provides are not extraordinary facts for people.
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Tel Aviv: "We were defeated in the 33-day war in Lebanon"

Fars News - Israel's ex-Minister of War again admitted that Tel Aviv was defeated in realizing the military goals of the 33-day war in Lebanon.

The first TV channel of the Zionist regime, citing Issac Mardhai, admitted that the second war with Lebanon, which took place in 2006, was not able to achieve all its military goals, but only achieved a number of political strategy goals.

Pointing to the crimes of Zionist soldiers in Lebanon, the Israeli minister continued that during the 33-day war, the Al-Haj party launched rocket attacks on Israel. The war ended only with the intervention of the great powers. Finally, Hezbullah has increased its missile capacity and military readiness.

He said about the costs of each war with Lebanon that Israel has learned many lessons.
http://x2t.com/230512
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Why is our victory called defeat?
04 September 2006, 00: 00

After the end of the war in Lebanon, a countless number of articles appeared in the Israeli media defining the outcome of the military campaign solely as a defeat for Israel.
http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/analize/2006/09/04/lebanon/?print=1

[alekseinew]

Quote: atalef

Than to stray. it is clear that the first strike will be against air defense (and c-300 (not yet located in Syria), and if so, how many complexes -4 (re). The first will come at best at the beginning of 2014. and the rest will be 3 ? When?
Speaking of the effectiveness of the rest of the air defense with Buki (like the modernized Byelorussians in 2011-12, etc. - I heard a lot.) According to the results of 3 attacks, its effectiveness is not just 0, but goes into minus.
c-300, by the way, in battle, no one has yet seen the same thing (unlike the vaunted Buk, who successfully failed everything that was possible.)

Yes, they are already in Syria, and when, when will you!

[Dimy4]

This smart little bomb belongs to the Spice-1000 and Spice -2000 families. Spice-250 weighs 150 kilograms, does not have an engine

Did he throw it away, and then where will God send him, and what if he goes off course?

[shalk]

From what height is this bomb supposed to be dropped so that it can fly 100 km without an engine? At the same time, the aircraft will not need to enter the affected area of ​​the S-300, which modification?

[Xnumx kopeek]

Quote: atalef

Quote: beard999

And in Syria there was a “combat use” of Bukov and Shell? Ready to present evidence?

So I say that it was not. They stood dead weight, but they must somehow react to the aircraft of the adversaries.

Quote: beard999

As for the combat effectiveness of Syrian air defense. Here, for example, is the British opinion on this subject: “The British Air Force risks losing up to 50% of the fighters that will participate in the operation”

Yes, to hell with these British. they risk losing 50%. and we take risks and do not lose. Now the question is, do Syrians dislike Britons and love Jews? I do not believe.

--you haven’t taken any risks yet, all you have to do is boast about your “victories” over the Bedouins in the 60s, etc.—Hezbollah Qa’atza has already kicked your ass /2006/.And today there is a chance for real risk.--Don’t miss it.

[KononAV]

Some kind of crap. Yes, and C 300 is not the only one standing there. Shell covers it

[Alexander_]

We fought, and that's enough.

[pilot mk]

I think the state of Israel does not have long to exist. The United States assigns them the role of a detonator that should provoke a war in the Middle East. Residents of Israel understand this and do not want to fight, so it is possible that the Arab Spring))))) (color revolution) will soon happen in this country.

[bubble82009]

It is a common practice to compare your weapon with something more advanced. on paper they can fly up and destroy, but in life? There are plenty of ways to escape their attack.

[Hauptam]

The bomb doesn't fly by itself! It is carried by an aircraft (carrier), and its S300 air defense system with its entire ammo system just crashes - as is included in the performance characteristics of the complex.

[Captain]

Defense budgets are being cut around the world

A temporary drop of half a percent is associated with the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq and the problems of the economies of Western Europe. No more

[papik09]

[quote=Kirgudum]Why do you think that a megaton warhead is required to destroy, say, a battery of missiles from your “Rusty Kumpol”? And hundreds of kg of TNT, exploded twenty meters from the installation (Iskander’s KVO, as far as I remember, is exactly like this) will be more than enough - and the Iskander missiles have almost five times more. Or do you have anti-missile defenses hidden in underground bunkers?
And the explosion of such a thing worth hundreds of thousands next to an airplane worth tens of millions of dollars of health obviously will not add to it)
So don’t worry - you have many goals for our Iskanders![/quot
I agree, BUT! The Iskanders are not ours, but Russian...

[shusty166]

I read the article, read the comments on them and I had a question: how would you react to this order of things? You worked for a year, received a salary and decided to have a good rest on the Mediterranean Sea, visit the holy places of Jerusalem, you buy a plane ticket and fly on vacation, and it’s just out of dirty tricks. knocked down by the most sophisticated missile of the S300 complex. What will it be like for your relatives to find out that your family was killed by a Russian missile and this has already happened, that’s why Netanyahu went to Moscow for negotiations, because your relatives may also be on planes in Israeli airspace and you shouldn’t consider Israel an aggressor, I think Russia would have done the same if an airliner was shot down flying from Moscow to Turkey, because if the S300 gets to the idiot Arabs, they will use it for its “intended purpose”, so there is no need to make Israel an aggressor, he also wants peace, but he also wants the children to be able to play safely in the yard without fear of shelling from the hail system. We would together we crush these Islamists and not argue whose bombs and missiles are better. Peace to you and your families, love each other and you will be happy ♥♥

[shusty166]

I read the article, read the comments on them and I had a question: how would you react to this order of things? You worked for a year, received a salary and decided to have a good rest on the Mediterranean Sea, visit the holy places of Jerusalem, you buy a plane ticket and fly on vacation, and it’s just out of dirty tricks. knocked down by the most sophisticated missile of the S300 complex. What will it be like for your relatives to find out that your family was killed by a Russian missile and this has already happened, that’s why Netanyahu went to Moscow for negotiations, because your relatives may also be on planes in Israeli airspace and you shouldn’t consider Israel an aggressor, I think Russia would have done the same if an airliner was shot down flying from Moscow to Turkey, because if the S300 gets to the idiot Arabs, they will use it for its “intended purpose”, so there is no need to make Israel an aggressor, he also wants peace, but he also wants the children to be able to play safely in the yard without fear of shelling from the hail system. We would together we crush these Islamists and not argue whose bombs and missiles are better. Peace to you and your families, love each other and you will be happy ♥♥

[Denis]

Quote: shusty166

knocked down by the most sophisticated missile of the S300 complex

Who supplied drones to rodents?

Quote: shusty166

so that children can safely play in the yard without fear of shelling from the hail system.

And they didn’t fire at Ossetia from the 9K51 Grad MLRS?
Or it’s business, nothing personal

[Su24]

I have long noticed the inadequacy of Israeli commentators. In one breath, make racist statements, ridiculous assumptions and then immediately say that Israel is not an aggressor...