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Details of Azerbaijani contracts became known

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On June 15, the forum of the Internet resource milkavkaz.net posted photographs of unloading in the port and transportation on its own tanks and other equipment for the ground forces, which, according to visitors to the forum, can be shown during the parade in honor of the Day of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan in Baku on June 26. Two sources in the Russian defense industry have confirmed to Vedomosti that the photos are genuine and reflect the process of deliveries of ground military equipment that began in the spring under a package of contracts with Azerbaijan concluded in 2011-2012.




According to the Vedomosti source, we are talking about contracts for three battalions (94 units) of T-90 tanks, about three battalions (about 100 units) of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3, division (18 units) of self-propelled artillery systems "Msta- S ”, division (18 launchers) multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS)“ Smerch ”, division (18 units) self-propelled artillery“ Vienna ”and battery (6 units) of the TON-1A“ Suntsep ”heavy flame-thrower systems (new modification of the system "Buratino").




Complete with tanks, armored repair and evacuation vehicles BREM-1М and engineering machines for unlocking the IMR-3М based on T-90 are purchased, and all the necessary machines for shooting maintenance and control are purchased for the guns and launchers of the RSZO. At the same time, T-90С tanks are purchased in the most advanced serial configuration currently available, including a new modification of the Blind optical-electronic suppression system, air conditioning and automatic target tracking. According to the Vedomosti interlocutor, in addition to contracts, there are options for tanks and artillery systems, in particular, an option for 94 T-90С.



The total cost of the contracted systems together with ammunition can be, judging by the nomenclature, at least $ 700 million, and possibly about $ 1 billion, as estimated by a source in the Russian Ministry of Defense. The representative of Rosoboronexport declined to comment, and it was not possible to receive comments from the representative of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.

This is not the first major package armory contracts between Russia and Azerbaijan. In 2010-2011. contracts were concluded and practically fulfilled for the supply of two divisions of S-300PMU-2 anti-aircraft missile systems, several batteries of Tor-2ME anti-aircraft missile systems, 60 Mi-17 transport helicopters and 24 Mi attack helicopters to the Azerbaijani armed forces and other security forces -35M for a total amount of almost $ 3 billion. At the same time, Azerbaijan purchased from Israel a missile defense radar, drones and coastal anti-ship missiles worth more than $ 1,6 billion, purchases large consignments of weapons (air defense systems and fighters) in Ukraine and Belarus and is showing interest in procurement of large consignments of the same as in Russia, weapons in Turkey (tanks, artillery and attack helicopters).

Any Russian supply of weapons to Azerbaijan, even on a commercial basis, causes a nervous and painful reaction in Armenia not only in society, but also in the elite, but this reaction does not take into account the fact that Armenia buys weapons from Russia at Russian prices and weapons supplies go to Russian sales to Azerbaijan, indicates the leading IMEMO researcher Alexander Krylov. Supplies to Azerbaijan allow Russia to keep the country under its influence and reduce Baku’s purchases on the international market, Krylov said.

In this situation, you can draw an analogy with the policies of the United States and NATO countries that supply large quantities of weapons to antagonists - Egypt and Israel, Greece and Turkey: the dependence of these countries on one supplier allows the United States and the West to contain conflicts between their customers, says the expert of the Center for Strategy Analysis and technologies Konstantin Makienko.
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  1. Edward72
    Edward72 19 June 2013 06: 54
    +4
    Well done Azerbaijanis, if you fuck the queen. They do not spare money for defense. It would be if Russia bought the pace at such a pace.
    1. Nikolski1973
      Nikolski1973 19 June 2013 07: 07
      +4
      It’s for sure that they’re in the old, and the neighbors are in the new.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 19 June 2013 08: 08
        10
        But Russia refused a much more profitable contract for military aviation, agreeing only to sell training Yak-130. And Azerbaijan, apparently taking offense in a banal way, refused them. If we purchase training aircraft in the West, then more than likely attack aircraft will be from there.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 June 2013 08: 21
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          But Russia refused a much more profitable contract for military aviation, agreeing only to sell training Yak-130.

          I think this is a duck !! It was so when we bought the S-300, so it was later!
          Quote: xetai9977
          If we purchase training aircraft in the West, then more than likely strike aircraft will be from there.

          Azerbaijan shows interest in military transport aircraft C-27J “Spartan” and combat training aircraft M-346 “Master” manufactured by the Italian company Alenia Aermacchi.

          As Vesti.Az reports with reference to azeridefence.com, representatives of Azerbaijan have already attended several tests of these aircraft several times and were satisfied.

          Currently, negotiations are underway on the purchase of these aircraft. According to company representatives, there are no problems with the supply of these aircraft to Azerbaijan, and they can be useful for the development of aviation technology by Azerbaijani pilots as part of a program to modernize the military aviation fleet.
          http://www.vesti.az/news/162502
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 19 June 2013 08: 40
            +8
            SALAM, ƏLİBƏY !!! Russia’s refusal was reported by several sources. It’s hard to judge. Naturally, this is a closed topic. But why wouldn’t Azerbaijan buy weapons for the ground forces from Russia and buy airplanes from the same place? And from what aroused airplane leaders from the West to Pakistan.?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 19 June 2013 09: 08
              +2
              Quote: xetai9977
              The refusal of Russia was reported by several sources.

              Almost all * sources * repeated the first source!
              So it was when they wrote about the Israeli contract!
              One wrote, others picked up the pier, it became known that he had bought Azerbaijan under a new contract, and listed what was bought according to the old)))))
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 19 June 2013 10: 10
              +1
              Quote: xetai9977
              SALAM, ƏLİBƏY !!!

              Vaaleikum salaam !!
              1. Nevsky
                Nevsky 19 June 2013 10: 51
                -1
                Quote: Yarbay
                Quote: xetai9977
                SALAM, ƏLİBƏY !!!

                Vaaleikum salaam !!


                Alibek, respect and respect for the Soviet flag! good
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 19 June 2013 10: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: Nevsky
                  Alibek, respect and respect for the Soviet flag!

                  Probably now, shoot me with all the guns, but this is the flag of Turkey, not the Soviet one and I didn’t set it myself (because of the proxy), even though it’s as dear to me as the Azerbaijani one!
                  1. Nevsky
                    Nevsky 19 June 2013 10: 58
                    +3
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Quote: Nevsky
                    Alibek, respect and respect for the Soviet flag!

                    Probably now, shoot me with all the guns, but this is the flag of Turkey, not the Soviet one and I didn’t set it myself (because of the proxy), even though it’s as dear to me as the Azerbaijani one!


                    sad what Oh, the days have gone ...
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 19 June 2013 16: 42
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                Vaaleikum salaam !!



                HELLO TO ALL !!!!!!! and why they didn’t tell me that you are ALL here)))))) I think that it’s so quiet today .... laughing SHAS BEGINNING (right now I’ll sing))))))))
          2. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 19 June 2013 19: 10
            +4
            Baku. Rashad Suleymanov - APA. In 2012, Russia sold helicopters, artillery and air defense systems to Azerbaijan.

            APA reports that this is stated in the Russian export report for the 2012 year submitted to the UN Register of Conventional Arms.

            The report notes that in the 2012 year, Russia delivered to Azerbaijan 8 attack helicopters and 18 large-caliber artillery systems. In addition, 200 launchers and 1000 missiles for them were sold to Azerbaijan.

            Russia also informed the UN that 2011 attack helicopters were sold to Azerbaijan in the 4 year.
          3. Revolver
            Revolver 20 June 2013 02: 46
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay

            Azerbaijan shows interest in military transport aircraft C-27J “Spartan” and combat training aircraft M-346 “Master” manufactured by the Italian company Alenia Aermacchi.

            Actually, the M-346 is the same Yak-130, only of Italian assembly and with English, not necessarily the best, engines. And it’s not necessarily cheaper.
            1. Denis
              Denis 20 June 2013 08: 20
              +1
              Quote: Nagan
              Actually, the M-346 is the same Yak-130, only of Italian assembly
              Moreover, it is very similar to counterfeit. Then the Italian company received documentation suddenly washed its hands ...
              And then she began to produce her own plane. Italian-Chinese brothers forever?
        2. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs 19 June 2013 08: 54
          -3
          How will you deliver the purchased. Via Iran?
          1. 416sd
            416sd 19 June 2013 08: 56
            +6
            Already delivered. And here Iran in general :)
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 19 June 2013 09: 00
              -1
              We have normal relations with everyone, excluding Armenia.
        3. Anti
          Anti 19 June 2013 23: 05
          0
          Quote: xetai9977
          And Azerbaijan, apparently taking offense, has abandoned them

          a great risk of acquiring equipment from the west, dangerous, can drain ...
    2. Alexander-Tomsk
      Alexander-Tomsk 19 June 2013 07: 30
      +3
      The main thing is that we should not end up in the role of this queen, or rather our base in Armenia. laughing And yes, of course, their position on the defense capability of their country cannot but arouse respect.
      1. kotdavin4i
        kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 07: 50
        +6
        Good morning Teska, Azerbaijan - WILL NOT FIGHT AGAINST ARMENIA OR RUSSIAN TROOPS LOCATED IN THE TERRITORY OF ARMENIA! Armenia is unnecessary to us **, and we are friends and love each other with Russia!
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 19 June 2013 08: 36
          +4
          Was it said on behalf of the States whose flag is next to your nickname, or on behalf of Azerbaijan? laughing
          1. kotdavin4i
            kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 08: 49
            +5
            Yes, I'm sitting at work through a flash modem, which is why it shows the independent states of Antarctica)))
            1. Constantine
              Constantine 19 June 2013 09: 36
              +1
              Ahhh) it looked strange somehow)
        2. AK-47
          AK-47 19 June 2013 09: 14
          +1
          Quote: kotdavin4i
          Azerbaijan - WILL NOT FIGHT AGAINST ARMENIA OR ...

          And against whom?
          Buying so many weapons has some purpose.

          Uzirbaizhan army.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 19 June 2013 09: 32
            +4
            What language did you write? it is NOT Azerbaijani
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 June 2013 09: 34
            -4
            Quote: AK-47
            Buying so many weapons has some purpose.

            Azerbaijan ORDUS!

            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 19 June 2013 10: 12
              +1
              AZƏRBAYCAN ORDUSU- in the original. This is from the teachings of 2010. Since then, the weapons have become MUCH more. I like the song from 2: 40. This is Shamistan Elizamanli, the military officer himself.
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              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 19 June 2013 12: 15
                -1
                I will not enter into polemics with you, but just say that, someone has a reputation as a trader, someone has a drunk. Whoever likes it.
                1. kris
                  kris 19 June 2013 12: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  I will not enter into polemics with you, but just say that, someone has a reputation as a trader, someone has a drunk. Whoever likes it.


                  but here a priori there is no room for controversy!
                  there are dry figures for the war in Karabakh.
                  and about trading, most people on the forum are adults and in the markets!
                  1. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 19 June 2013 12: 52
                    0
                    I already answered this in the course of the discussion.
                    1. kris
                      kris 19 June 2013 13: 11
                      +6
                      Quote: xetai9977
                      I already answered this in the course of the discussion.

                      dry numbers:
                      RUSSIANS in Azerbaijan:
                      1989-400 thousand
                      2010-100 thousand
                      Azerbaijanis in RUSSIA.
                      1989-335 thousand
                      2010-600 thousand
                      and where do you think nationalism?
                      1. P-15
                        P-15 19 June 2013 13: 18
                        -4
                        And we don’t give a comparison between Armenia and Russia. Well, right, the disadvantageous Russians aren’t at all in Armenia. 0,5% of which you can’t say about the Armenians in Russia.
                        Yes, and more than 100 Russians in Azerbaijan
                      2. kris
                        kris 19 June 2013 13: 23
                        +4
                        Quote: P-15
                        And we don’t give a comparison between Armenia and Russia. Well, right, the disadvantageous Russians aren’t at all in Armenia. 0,5% of which you can’t say about the Armenians in Russia.

                        do not distort!
                        the conversation is about RUSSIANS and Azerbaijanis.
                      3. P-15
                        P-15 19 June 2013 13: 27
                        -3
                        Quote: kris
                        do not distort!
                        the conversation is about RUSSIANS and Azerbaijanis.

                        I didn’t even think of juggling it, but about the Russians in Armenia, it’s a fact, and the facts are stubborn things.
                      4. kris
                        kris 19 June 2013 13: 39
                        +6
                        You take the discussion aside.
                        RUSSIANS expelled from Azerbaijan!
                        But there are no Azerbaijanis from Russia!
                      5. kotdavin4i
                        kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 13: 47
                        +1
                        Chris - who's it kicked out here ??? Do you speak Russian to me? I was born, raised, live, serve - I bring up my daughter!
                      6. kris
                        kris 19 June 2013 13: 51
                        +6
                        Quote: kotdavin4i
                        I serve

                        and what country was the oath taken to?
                      7. kotdavin4i
                        kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 14: 11
                        0
                        entering in 1995 at the Baku Higher Naval School, Azerbaijan Republic.
                    2. Airman
                      Airman 19 June 2013 16: 58
                      0
                      Quote: kotdavin4i
                      Chris - who's it kicked out here ??? Do you speak Russian to me? I was born, raised, live, serve - I bring up my daughter!


                      If only not PPRil. He is Russian, but under the flag of mattresses, Most likely, you are Prussian.
                    3. kotdavin4i
                      kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 17: 14
                      +6
                      Pvoshnik - don’t poke me, we haven’t drank vodka yet, why said this flag, if I repeat blindly - I’m sitting with a 3G modem, it’s all problems, but about Russian or not - there are many users who know me - they will confirm .
                    4. Airman
                      Airman 19 June 2013 17: 25
                      -7
                      Quote: kotdavin4i
                      Pvoshnik - don’t poke me, we haven’t drank vodka yet, why said this flag, if I repeat blindly - I’m sitting with a 3G modem, it’s all problems, but about Russian or not - there are many users who know me - they will confirm .


                      Yes, I am with YOU on the same sq. Km s .... I’ll not sit down, not like drinking together, but I won’t alter the flag, you live under it!
                    5. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 19 June 2013 17: 45
                      +5
                      Quote: Povshnik
                      Yes, I am with YOU on the same square

                      And in vain !!
                      Sanych is a competent, respected person in our country!
                      Thanks to him, in many ways a good opinion of your people, he is one of the worthy representatives of your people!
                      Quote: Povshnik
                      and you can’t redo the flag, you live under it!

                      you throw it, do not play in public, it does not paint you!
                    6. Airman
                      Airman 19 June 2013 18: 19
                      -7
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Quote: Povshnik
                      Yes, I am with YOU on the same square

                      And in vain !!
                      Sanych is a competent, respected person in our country!
                      Thanks to him, in many ways a good opinion of your people, he is one of the worthy representatives of your people!
                      Quote: Povshnik
                      and you can’t redo the flag, you live under it!

                      you throw it, do not play in public, it does not paint you!


                      What does the audience have to do with it if it is under the mattress flag? You are speaking under your own authority, and it’s even interesting for me to communicate with you, but there’s no talk with the refugee.
                    7. Apollo
                      Apollo 19 June 2013 18: 34
                      +3
                      Quote: Povshnik
                      What does the audience have to do with it if it is under the mattress flag? You are speaking under your own authority, and it’s even interesting for me to communicate with you, but there’s no talk with the refugee.


                      for our San Sanych catch one more minus
                    8. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 19 June 2013 18: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Povshnik
                      What does the audience have to do with it if it is under the mattress flag? You are speaking under your own authority, and it’s even interesting for me to communicate with you, but there’s no talk with the refugee.


                      I'm also not under my flag !!
                      this is a proxy server problem, not mine and not Sani !!
                      No, it’s not Sanya who didn’t choose flags here, if you don’t understand then there’s nothing to offend a worthy person!
                      For any gold of the world I will not change my flag for another at will!
                      Sanya was born and raised here!
                      You think like Schwonder!
                    9. Skarte
                      Skarte 19 June 2013 22: 31
                      +2
                      What does the audience have to do with it if it is under the mattress flag? You are speaking under your own authority, and it’s even interesting for me to communicate with you, but there’s no talk with the refugee.

                      Go learn Information technology ... read about providers, backbone providers, how IP addresses are issued, who gives out (especially the NAT system will tell you a lot) and then all the absurd claims about the flag themselves will disappear ...
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                3. Apollo
                  Apollo 19 June 2013 18: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Povshnik
                  Yes, I am with YOU on the same sq. Km s .... I’ll not sit down, not like drinking together, but I won’t alter the flag, you live under it!


                  and another minus
                4. Tersky
                  Tersky 19 June 2013 22: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Apollon
                  and another minus

                  Apollo, hi ! Count two ...
                5. Apollo
                  Apollo 19 June 2013 22: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Tersky
                  Count two ...


                  I welcome Victor. hi drinks Yes honestly lost count.
                6. Tersky
                  Tersky 19 June 2013 22: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: Apollon
                  Yes honestly lost count

                  So the topic is credible, and the comments are just "shine" .. and mutual ..
                7. Apollo
                  Apollo 19 June 2013 22: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Tersky
                  So the topic is credible, and the comments are just "shine" .. and mutual ..


                  this just upsets me, alas, the manner of communication is not up to par.
        3. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 21: 58
          +3
          laughing and it’s inappropriate, I cannot “sweep” such a large territory ... now I hope the server will show MY REAL FLAG!
        4. Skarte
          Skarte 19 June 2013 22: 40
          0
          Now I hope the server will show MY REAL FLAG!
          and what server do you mean? Hosting that rents Military Review? or which gives you an IP address? Do you pay money for white IP? really curious...
      2. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 20 June 2013 04: 42
        +5
        Quote: Povshnik

        Yes, I am with YOU on the same square km s .... I will not sit

        That is, before you sit down, will you measure the area? wassat See don't get inadvertent
  2. Apollo
    Apollo 19 June 2013 18: 30
    +1
    Quote: Povshnik
    If only not PPRil. He is Russian, but under the flag of mattresses, Most likely, you are Prussian.


    Vyacheslav, you, with our San Sanych easier, will not give anyone a grudge against him. For malice, sarcasm and an inappropriate joke, catch me with a fat minus.
  3. Tersky
    Tersky 19 June 2013 22: 49
    +1
    Quote: Apollon
    and inappropriate joke

    Here, fucking fucking jokes in the ass
  4. P-15
    P-15 19 June 2013 13: 53
    -2
    Quote: kris
    You take the discussion aside.
    RUSSIANS expelled from Azerbaijan!
    But there are no Azerbaijanis from Russia!

    Have you seen how Russians are being expelled from Azerbaijan ?? Nowhere do you say such nonsense. They can take for inadequate.
  5. kris
    kris 19 June 2013 14: 07
    +3
    Quote: P-15
    Have you seen how Russians are being expelled from Azerbaijan ?? Nowhere do you say such nonsense. They can take for inadequate.

    why are they leaving?
  6. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 14: 14
    +2
    By the way, about "leaving", ancestors on the father's side are Malokans, we have a famous state farm named after Nikitin, in the 90s many rushed to Russia, ALMOST EVERYONE returned. During my studies, we had a deputy for science at our faculty, capraz Nichipurenko, a housemate, retired, went to see his daughter in Astrakhan, lived for a couple of years, came back and does not want to go there anymore ...
  7. P-15
    P-15 19 June 2013 14: 20
    +2
    Quote: kotdavin4i
    By the way, about "leaving", ancestors on the father's side are Malokans, we have a famous state farm named after Nikitin, in the 90s many rushed to Russia, ALMOST EVERYONE returned. During my studies, we had a deputy for science at our faculty, capraz Nichipurenko, a housemate, retired, went to see his daughter in Astrakhan, lived for a couple of years, came back and does not want to go there anymore ...
    By the way, I have met people who have left for Russia more than once, but after a few years have returned back. And basically they are our Russians. They can’t live away from their homeland, and not only do they attract any person to their homeland especially with age.
  8. smersh70
    smersh70 19 June 2013 16: 56
    +1
    Quote: kris
    why are they leaving?



    CRIS, Civil Defense is the right food laughing
    We’re talking about ..... and you are talking about a boob ...... and yours is a completely different topic ...... please be sure to prove your arguments to Muscovites when nominating a candidate from the LDPR ...
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  10. smersh70
    smersh70 19 June 2013 18: 45
    +1
    Quote: kris
    You take the discussion aside.



    you take it aside ... as if conspiring .... then the stoic with harry ..... then a friend of shovels with scarlet comes ....... and today is the assistant of s.crisis .... laughing
  11. 416sd
    416sd 19 June 2013 13: 40
    0
    There was once already a conversation about six Russians - the national heroes of Azerbaijan. You probably didn’t participate.

    It is understood that not everyone is required to own the topic equally, but believe me, Azerbaijan is the most Russian of the Caucasus republics. Will you drop in somehow - make sure.

    And so - you can read.
  12. P-15
    P-15 19 June 2013 13: 54
    -1
    Quote: 416sd
    There was once already a conversation about six Russians - the national heroes of Azerbaijan. You probably didn’t participate.

    It is understood that not everyone is required to own the topic equally, but believe me, Azerbaijan is the most Russian of the Caucasus republics. Will you drop in somehow - make sure.

    And so - you can read.
    That is why I invited Patron to us to personally see how Russians live, and not only Russians in Azerbaijan
  13. kris
    kris 19 June 2013 13: 54
    +2
    Quote: 416sd
    Will you drop in somehow - make sure.

    thank. I’ll definitely come.
    in the winter of 90 I did not like it.
  14. xetai9977
    xetai9977 19 June 2013 14: 02
    +1
    Chris, you’re kind of an adult, and you make up fables and believe in it yourself. Read less Armenians and provocateurs. Better yet, come (after all, summer, the water temperature in the Caspian Sea is sometimes + 28 + 29), make sure yourself that you are Russian, that you are Azerbaijani, Lezgin, Talysh, Avar, Jewish-VS
  15. kris
    kris 19 June 2013 14: 14
    +2
    Quote: xetai9977
    Chris, you are kind of an adult, but you make up fables and you believe in it yourself.

    I only appeal statistics on the population and its composition!
  16. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 14: 20
    -1
    Chris - statistics is a very interesting thing - "The real emigration from Russia now amounts to only a few tens of thousands of people a year - already adjusted for all possible statistical inconsistencies." - this, according to Wikipedia, on the one hand it is a little tens of thousands ... but on the other hand, these are Russians who are leaving Russia ...
  17. vBR
    vBR 22 June 2013 20: 29
    0
    Here, in general, it would be necessary to talk not about everyday relations - even in the heat of the ethnic revolt, people will tell you that "there are no problems" - but about the policy of the state. Do not tell tales about heaven for Lezghins, Talysh and anyone else. Azerbaijan is a young nationalized state, like all post-Soviet ones, but it is nationalized in a tough ethnic, pan-Turkist and in many ways anti-Russian vein, the best friend and elder brother is Turkey. And the Turkish state represented by the Erdogans is hostile to us, both as a NATO member and as the most greyhound bastard against Syria. Therefore, I consider arming the Azerbaijani army with modern Russian weapons harmful.
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  19. smersh70
    smersh70 19 June 2013 18: 07
    +3
    Quote: Povshnik
    I myself was there, and



    Yesterday, March 28, the National Hero of Azerbaijan Anatoly Nikolayevich Davidovich would have turned 48 years old. The highest degree of distinction of Azerbaijan, established on July 15, 1992, was awarded to A. N. Davidovich - a citizen of the Republic of Belarus
    Today, the Davidovich family needs our help more than ever. The head of the family went blind in both eyes. He needs an operation for which they demand $ 1000 from them. For Claudia Andreevna, who receives a pension of 170 thousand Belarusian rubles ($ 80), this is an unthinkable amount. That the head of the Khatai International Human Rights Center, Sakit Allahverdiyev, helped the Davidovich with money. And the well-known philanthropist Shamil Gurbanov took over the treatment of the eyes of Father Hero. In turn, the Azerbaijani diaspora of Belarus, in particular, the Gobustan society, which unites Azerbaijanis living in Minsk in its ranks, decided to provide the Hero family with monthly financial assistance in the amount of $ 200.
    Yesterday, the editors of Vesti.Az appealed to the head of the press service of the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection of Azerbaijan, Ilham Mammadli, with a request to understand what was happening. However, according to I. Mammadli, the Davidovich family for many years regularly receives a pension for their son who died in Karabakh.

    “We conducted an audit in connection with your appeal. It has been established that from August 1, 2005, the Davidovich family receives a monthly pension, set in connection with the Decree of the President of Azerbaijan, in the amount of AZN 600 ($ 765). Even in March, we have already transferred to Belarus, through the International Bank of Azerbaijan, the pension due to Davidovich. Please be advised that after the President of Azerbaijan signed the Decree in 2005, in 2007 we received an appeal from Davidovich. In the payment check No. 2224 of 2007 provided by us to your editorial office, it is indicated that we transferred to its account 10 dollars that were deposited to the family of the National Hero since August 337. After that, we monthly send her a pension for her son, which is confirmed by the payment checks provided by us.
  20. Yarbay
    Yarbay 19 June 2013 18: 10
    +4
    Quote: Povshnik
    Both Azerbaijanis and Armenians offered many officers to fight on their side for fake "greens"

    Once foreign journalists were surprised to question him.
    "How is it that the Russian is so sincerely and bravely to fight for Azerbaijan?"
    Yuri answered this question as follows:
    "Well, why does it seem strange to you that being a Russian, I am fighting in the ranks of the OMON sheep for Azerbaijan? Why do these people forget that I grew up in Azerbaijan, in Baku. I have been friends with Azerbaijanis since childhood. I have never heard, not even saw a single hint of difference between me and some Azeri guy. I was treated like a brother. So they considered me the son of this land. In that case, why shouldn't I fight against the enemies of Azerbaijan? "

    “Despite the fact that we had an apartment in the center of the city, I worked in a good place, however, life in Krasnodar did not suit me,” says Larisa Pavlovna. - You could even say that I did not find myself there. Therefore, in 1977 we returned to Baku. We lived on the former Lenin Avenue, not far from the hippodrome. From an early age, Yura went in for sports, he loved football very much, and his younger brother Vitaly instilled an interest in him.

    From childhood, Yura dreamed of becoming a military man. But due to the difficult situation in the family, after school in 1981, he went to work in one of the Azerittifag divisions. In 1983, Jura was drafted into the Armed Forces, fell into the elite of the Soviet army - in the Airborne Troops in the Baltic.

    A year after demobilization - in 1986 - Yura married. He worked in the Red Banner Caspian Flotilla. ”
    How did Yura get into the OMON of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan?


    - When the well-known events in Nagorno-Karabakh began, riot police began to form in the republic. In 1988, we received a summons from the draft board. The very next day, Yura went to the draft board. After some time, I found out that Yura signed up for OMON. Business trips to the NKAR began. As Yura himself admitted to me, he covered all of Karabakh on his belly.

    At home, his OMON counterparts often gathered. I always set the table for them. At that time, our family was experiencing some financial difficulties and I was forced to somehow ask Yura to reduce the number of visits of his friends to our house. In response, he said: “Mom, do we have bread and salt in the house? There is. Is there water from the tap? Is coming. So the guys both came and will come. ” He loved his friends very much, and they all answered him the same.

    On his frequent business trips to Karabakh, Yura constantly took books with him. I also asked him when he would read, because he had practically no free time.
    Yura told you about what he had to face in Nagorno-Karabakh?

    - He actively participated in the Chaikend operation to liberate Azerbaijani territories. Very often he traveled to the places of terrorist acts committed by Armenians, as a result of which women and children died. Yura saved the passengers of the helicopter crashed on April 3, 1991 near Shushi. The MPs and senior officials of the Council of Ministers of Azerbaijan, in particular, Tamerlan Karaev, whom Yura personally saved, were in the helicopter.
  21. Yarbay
    Yarbay 19 June 2013 18: 16
    +3
    - Did you know that Yura caused terrible fear on the Armenians and they even offered a reward for his murder?

    “Of course I knew that.” Armenians called it “Black”. The fact is that Yura had the call sign "Yura Cherny", since he was a dark-skinned guy. Yura often went for reconnaissance into the den of the enemy. Moreover, he even openly went to the Armenians, appearing to be the Baltic. After all, he served in the Baltic states, and knew some words in the languages ​​of the Baltic peoples.

    Once he was given the task of moving to the territory controlled by the Armenians, and meeting with someone not far from the abandoned church. Several people were supposed to go on a mission. He put the children to bed, saying that at dawn they would go on a mission. What was the surprise and admiration of his colleagues, who were to go on a mission with him in the morning, when in the morning Yura announced that he alone had completed the task while they were sleeping. That is, Yura did not want to risk the lives of his friends, and therefore went on a mission alone.

    OMON fighters have repeatedly told me that where Yura is, they are not afraid of anything. They knew that under no circumstances would Jura leave her friend in trouble.

    I was very worried about my son. When one day Yura arrived home for several days, I saw what condition he was in: all overgrown, eyes sad. And I asked him not to leave anymore, not to ask in Karabakh. I wish I hadn’t told him that. He was terribly angry and closed in his room. Then, calming down a bit, he left the room, hugged me and said: “Mom, you just can’t imagine what the enemies are doing there. I just returned from Kelbajar, where the Armenians blew up a regular bus with women and children. I had to pull the remains of people from that mess. And you ask me not to go there. Well, I can’t sit out at home. "he told me.
    - Larisa Pavlovna, do you remember the day when you saw Yura the last time?

    “The last time I saw him was September 13th.” That morning, Yura wanted to take me to work in his car, and she, as luck would have it, did not start at all. Finally, she wound up and we drove off. We came to work for us, and Yura said that he wanted to go to church and be baptized. And I tell him that, let's do it after your return. I was very calm, did not feel the impending disaster. But Yura still went to church. The priest also advised Yura to postpone baptism until later, to which he replied that this “later” would not happen ... On that day, Yura nevertheless received the baptism.

    On the morning of October 3 in the house there was a knock on the door. I opened and saw that his riot police friends were standing on the threshold. My first question was: “Where is Jura?” In response, silence. Then I began to shout: “Why are you silent? Where is Yura? ” And then I heard: Yura is no more.

    Did you know how Yura died?

    - Yes, Yura died on October 2 from a bullet of an Armenian sniper. The guys were ambushed. Four riot policemen were in the car, two of them died, and two were seriously injured, but survived. And Yura, the bullet hit the carotid artery ...

    . In November 1992, he was awarded the title of National Hero of Azerbaijan (posthumously).

    Editor’s Note: Jura was only 26 when a sniper bullet interrupted the life of the Hero. He had two daughters, Julia and Regina. School N 229 in the Nizami district of Baku is named after the National hero Yuri Petrovich Kovalev. Yuri’s mother, Larisa Pavlovna, is actively involved in social activities, leading the branch of the Russian community of Azerbaijan in the Nizami district. Every year on October 3, a lesson dedicated to the memory of the National Hero is held at school N229.


    I would like to end the story of the glorious son of Azerbaijan with his words written in his photograph on November 2, 1990: “NKAO is my work, my pain, my sadness. God bless us. ”
    http://open.az/karabax/115523-nacionalnyjj-gerojj-azerbajjdzhana.html
  22. Arminian power
    Arminian power 5 October 2013 20: 40
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  23. Yarbay
    Yarbay 19 June 2013 18: 21
    +2
    Quote: Povshnik
    ... Both Azerbaijanis and Armenians offered many officers to fight on their side for fake "greens"

    Born on October 27, 1971 in Ganja. From 1979-1987 he studied at school number 39. He began military service in 1990 in Baku, and then continued in the Rostov region, where he was educated at the Sergeant School.

    In connection with the events taking place in Azerbaijan, Igor, interrupting his studies, returned to Ganja. He explained to his mother the reason for his return:
    "Mom, do not misunderstand me! I was born in Azerbaijan. Here I took my first steps. Here is my Motherland. And I consider myself a son of this land. And my son will not leave the Motherland in trouble. I must protect Azerbaijan, if necessary, and at the cost of my own life. ".

    Having left for Baku, he enrolled in the detachments of the Ministry of Defense and went to the front. Makeev was appointed deputy unit commander.

    On June 5, 1992, the Armenians launched an offensive on the village of Nakhichevanik. Igor in the battles for the village destroyed ten enemy soldiers. Although the Armenians managed to take the village, after 3-4 hours, in connection with the counterattack of the Makeev’s detachment, the village was recaptured. He also distinguished himself in the battles for Agdere. On August 2, 1992, in a battle on the Vyshka hill, Igor, along with an Azerbaijani nicknamed Nikulin, marched with a machine gun in the front position. While fighting, Igor saved the lives of 28 soldiers, helped them to get out of the encirclement of enemy soldiers, but he died. Igor was single. He was only 21.

    By Decree of the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan No. 204 dated November 6, 1992, Makeev Igor Vladimirovich was awarded the title of National Hero of Azerbaijan (posthumous).

    He was buried in the "Alley of Martyrs" in the city of Ganja. In the village of Sadylly, a street is named after him.
    Quote: Povshnik
    So I do not need to read - I myself was there, and I know the atrocities of Azeri against the Russian population from the primary sources.

    Stop lying, you yourself saw !!
    When there are no arguments, you know how to get around with your lies!
    You could see your armpits drunk, not the atrocities of our soldiers!
    Yes, you are not suited to Sanych!
  24. smersh70
    smersh70 19 June 2013 18: 33
    +4
    Quote: Yarbay
    In the village of Sadylly, a street is named after him


    Recently, in this village, a meeting of residents with the leadership of the city was held ... one of the residents (he was a visitor) proposed renaming this street ... SO THE OTHER RESIDENTS of this village almost TURNED IT ... I had to take the unfortunate resident with the help of the police .. HERE so keep his memory !!!!!!. By the way, they repaired the school where he studied, paved this street ..... like that ...
  25. Airman
    Airman 19 June 2013 18: 51
    -3
    Quote: Yarbay
    Quote: Povshnik
    ... Both Azerbaijanis and Armenians offered many officers to fight on their side for fake "greens"

    Born on October 27, 1971 in Ganja. From 1979-1987 he studied at school number 39. He began military service in 1990 in Baku, and then continued in the Rostov region, where he was educated at the Sergeant School.

    In connection with the events taking place in Azerbaijan, Igor, interrupting his studies, returned to Ganja. He explained to his mother the reason for his return:
    "Mom, do not misunderstand me! I was born in Azerbaijan. Here I took my first steps. Here is my Motherland. And I consider myself a son of this land. And my son will not leave the Motherland in trouble. I must protect Azerbaijan, if necessary, and at the cost of my own life. ".

    Having left for Baku, he enrolled in the detachments of the Ministry of Defense and went to the front. Makeev was appointed deputy unit commander.

    On June 5, 1992, the Armenians launched an offensive on the village of Nakhichevanik. Igor in the battles for the village destroyed ten enemy soldiers. Although the Armenians managed to take the village, after 3-4 hours, in connection with the counterattack of the Makeev’s detachment, the village was recaptured. He also distinguished himself in the battles for Agdere. On August 2, 1992, in a battle on the Vyshka hill, Igor, along with an Azerbaijani nicknamed Nikulin, marched with a machine gun in the front position. While fighting, Igor saved the lives of 28 soldiers, helped them to get out of the encirclement of enemy soldiers, but he died. Igor was single. He was only 21.

    By Decree of the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan No. 204 dated November 6, 1992, Makeev Igor Vladimirovich was awarded the title of National Hero of Azerbaijan (posthumous).

    He was buried in the "Alley of Martyrs" in the city of Ganja. In the village of Sadylly, a street is named after him.
    Quote: Povshnik
    So I do not need to read - I myself was there, and I know the atrocities of Azeri against the Russian population from the primary sources.

    Stop lying, you yourself saw !!
    When there are no arguments, you know how to get around with your lies!
    You could see your armpits drunk, not the atrocities of our soldiers!
    Yes, you are not suited to Sanych!


    I am writing what I saw and know, and not about the Azerbaijani Pavlik Morozov.
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  27. Skarte
    Skarte 19 June 2013 22: 27
    +1
    The Armenians are still those nationalists (((Recently, the President of Armenia expressed concern about the rapid outflow of Russians from the country because of the resettlement program ...
  28. smersh70
    smersh70 19 June 2013 16: 53
    -1
    Quote: kris
    and where do you think nationalism?



    it is determined not by the number of a population on a national basis .... but determined by tolerance towards all national groups hi
    Now let's see the Russia-Germany ratio ..
    1990- Russians in Germany - 10000 people 2010-2000000 people)))))))) and that ....
  • smersh70
    smersh70 19 June 2013 16: 50
    0
    Quote: kris
    but here a priori there is no room for controversy!



    As the Russian proverb says, --- It’s looking for a straw in a stranger’s eye, but doesn’t see a log in his eye laughing
    By the way, where did you see this in 1990 .. when there were no large armed groups ... and everything was under the control of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs .....
    I swear I see ears laughing
  • Apollo
    Apollo 19 June 2013 18: 25
    0
    Quote: kris
    and traders!


    once again I see this, sad ....!
    1. kris
      kris 21 June 2013 16: 57
      -1
      Quote: Apollon
      once again I see this, sad ....!

      Scared a hedgehog naked jo sing!
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 20 June 2013 04: 40
    +3
    Quote: kris
    Once the Armenians have already bent Mamedov.

    To send you to read the inscriptions along the fence tongue If it weren’t for the mercenaries from among then Soviet officers whose own government threw everything it is still unknown how it would end. Why did they end up on the Armenian side? Let the Azerbaijani people say thanks to Elchibey. If Aliyev were in power then, the older one would now walk in Baku as in Minsk
    1. Skarte
      Skarte 20 June 2013 08: 21
      +1
      And why did they find themselves on the Armenian side? Let the Azerbaijani people say thanks to Elchibey. If Aliyev were in power then, the older one would now walk in Baku as in Minsk

      So you mentioned Elchibey, in one article, I wrote in the comments about the national policy of this comrade ... so they told me that he was not to blame and defended the national minorities (this was written by xetai9977)!
    2. Arminian power
      Arminian power 7 October 2013 09: 50
      0
      trolling again
  • Arminian power
    Arminian power 5 October 2013 20: 28
    -2
    Quote: kris
    Once the Armenians have already bent Mamedov.
    According to Suvorovsky, NOT NUMBER, AND ABILITY!
    hi hi hi
  • Truffoff
    Truffoff 19 June 2013 07: 01
    0
    94 units) of T-90S tanks, about three battalions (about 100 units) of BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles

    And here, we ourselves wonder how many there are?
    1. Edward72
      Edward72 19 June 2013 07: 07
      +6
      Well, at the expense of T-90 they are, but BMP-3 can be counted on the fingers. Won with China we signed a contract for a little less than 30 SU-35, for which Shoigu with pathos announced yesterday that we already have 10 aircraft and before the 20th we’ll buy a lot, but we need to survive until the 20th.
    2. cartridge
      cartridge 19 June 2013 07: 25
      +6
      Azerbaijan ... buys large quantities of weapons (air defense systems and fighters) in Ukraine and Belarus


      Oh well! In Belarus, with all the desire fighters do not get hold of. No wonder the Old Man recently publicly dreamed of a couple of dozens of new fighters for his army.
      Then Ukraine remains as a supplier.
      Until today, I did not know that Ukraine also produces fighters! These are probably An-148 fighters in the interceptor version! laughing
      I suppose that a toast was sounded at the banquet after the signing of the contract for the supply of these wonderful lіtakіv: "So let's drink to Ukrainian fighters - the most Ukrainian fighters in the world!" drinks
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 19 June 2013 08: 16
        +1
        These MiG-29s were purchased in Ukraine and Belarus 5-6 years ago. Then there was not enough money for new ones. Now the need has ripened for updating the Air Force and there is activity among sellers. A rare week is dispensed with visits by guests from the military industrial complex of manufacturing countries.
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 19 June 2013 08: 50
          10
          In general, I’m on a drum of disassembling our Transcaucasian neighbors. If they can’t agree, then let them crumble each other even to the last person, if they have such a desire

          Speaking about Azerbaijanis, first of all I see those natives of this country whom I meet today in our Russia: sloppy, disheveled, unshaven, poorly speaking Russian people, with a bundle of greasy notes in his jacket pocket, boiling vegetables in markets and vegetable depots dubious quality.
          And while still often ill-mannered and unmotivated aggressive. yes
          I somehow fail to imagine such people as full fighter pilots leading a real air battle. what
          And also their golden teeth ... repeat
          In general, do not be offended, comrades Azerbaijanis, but in many respects you have somehow changed from the Soviet era and not for the better. Even outwardly changed!

          To be fair, I will say that the Armenians are no better in this regard either! Those, however, are more cunning than Azerbaijanis and, unlike markets, strive to penetrate warmer places. But in everyday life, there are also those shots. An Armenian family started up in the next house on the ground floor, so the head of this family lifted up over the last month with his manner of barbecuing 10 meters from the high-rise building and at the same time entering this apartment not through the door, but through the balcony. When I see this son of the mountains in the fake "Adidas" once again climbing with a bunch of skewers through the balcony railing, for some reason I immediately want to pull the shutter! angry

          For me, if all Caucasians returned to their native villages and villages, then my opinion of them as patriots of their homeland would have risen to heaven.
          I am ready to respect all people with disabilities, but only from afar when they live in their house, and not in mine. hi
          1. Forward
            Forward 19 June 2013 08: 55
            +5
            I can tell you that you are not communicating with the best representatives of these nations. I will say even more with the garbage who cannot find a place in their homeland and come to Russia in search of a better life. I do not want to offend all visitors, but in 90% of cases this is exactly so. Therefore, the opinion of our fellow citizens, about them is not the best.
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              1. Airman
                Airman 19 June 2013 09: 40
                +7
                Quote: cartridge
                I can tell you that you are not communicating with the best representatives of these nations. I will say even more with garbage


                Forward, if you addressed your post to me, I’ll explain that I don’t communicate with them at all. For five years of my service in Transcaucasia, I talked with them for the rest of my life. smile
                I am watching them! Like in a zoo for monkeys in a cage! wink
                And about the garbage ... Who knows, maybe you're right. yes


                Patron, where did you serve? I am in Leninakan right after the earthquake and before 95.
                1. cartridge
                  cartridge 19 June 2013 10: 54
                  +4
                  In Akhalkalaki. In the 147 th motorway.
                  1. Airman
                    Airman 19 June 2013 17: 10
                    0
                    Quote: cartridge
                    In Akhalkalaki. In the 147 th motorway.


                    We arrived there for reconnaissance, spent 2 days. I liked the places.
                    1. cartridge
                      cartridge 19 June 2013 23: 33
                      -2
                      I have been to Leninakan more than once. Compared with Akhalkloak it is almost a metropolis))
                  2. Apollo
                    Apollo 19 June 2013 18: 47
                    +5
                    Quote: cartridge
                    In Akhalkalaki. In the 147 th motorway.


                    it's Georgia laughing

                    but I thought that you served in Armenia or in Azerbaijan.
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              2. xetai9977
                xetai9977 19 June 2013 09: 58
                +8
                Let's respect each other. Don't judge the people by individual dubious personalities. Indeed, people leave their homeland who, for various reasons, could not realize themselves there. But not all of them are bazaar traders. And not all merchants are degraded elements. And sometimes you meet a merchant in the bazaar who reads Plutarch, has a higher education. What to do, that's how life turned out! For example, I am a physician with higher education. I have a library of 2000 volumes. And I know Russian pretty well. And I am offended that the patron and the forward talk about my people in offensive terms, although I do not judge Russians by drunkards and drunks swarming in garbage cans. 2 years ago I was in Moscow-CAPITAL for the last time !! Blanched pavements, rudeness and rudeness, fumes from everywhere !!! But Russia for me is Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky !!! Moreover, I believe that every migrant SHOULD know the language of the country where he hopes to earn a living, and behave with dignity, not disgrace his people. And at the same time, I am opposed to the citizens of my country leaving somewhere. Work can be found here. Yesterday I counted 7 advertisements "required" only on one street. I repeat, let's respect each other. Stop insulting the peoples (who are mildly they are not inferior to you in anything), only for having met a certain declassed element. There are enough of them among all peoples
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 19 June 2013 10: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  I repeat, let's respect each other. Enough to insult peoples (which, to put it mildly, are in no way inferior to you), only because they met a certain declassed element. They are enough for all peoples

                  I agree with you completely !!
                  And the more people, the more declassed elements among its representatives !!
                2. Forward
                  Forward 19 June 2013 10: 24
                  +6
                  You’re wrong, I just didn’t want to offend anyone! On the contrary, I would like to soften the statement of the patron. And I completely agree that both in yours and ours, and in any other nation, there is a better part and there is a worse part. Moreover, for 25 years I have been in close contact with representatives of the Caucasus and with your compatriots as well. BUT all these people were native Baku People. And I’ll tell you that watching your compatriots in Russia, I kind of see two different nations, although they are both Azerbaijanis. Once again, I apologize if someone offended or offended someone! This is a purely subjective opinion.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 19 June 2013 10: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: Forward
                    And I’ll tell you that watching your compatriots in Russia, I kind of see two different nations, although both are Azerbaijanis

                    I myself also notice this, although I rarely visit Russia, but this is often noticeable already on the plane!
                    1. Forward
                      Forward 19 June 2013 11: 04
                      +4
                      This is of course very sad! But such is life.
                3. cartridge
                  cartridge 19 June 2013 11: 03
                  +5
                  And at the same time, I am opposed to the citizens of my country leaving somewhere. Work can be found here.


                  I completely agree with you. I am also against the citizens of your country leaving somewhere. They can find work at home.
                  And as long as they scare me at dusk with their golden-toothed smiles, I am for them to be as few as possible in Russia.
                  And I assure you that I am impartial. I think so not only about your fellow countrymen, but also about all migrant workers from other Asian countries of the former USSR.

                  2 years ago for the last time I was in Moscow-CAPITAL !! Vomited pavements, rudeness and rudeness, fumes from everywhere !!!


                  Yes, and you personally do not need to come to Russia. Why do you need it? To get a mental trauma?
                  Live at home, solve your issues at home, relax at home! You are good there! And rape yourself, dragging your body along the vomited pavements in the country of Pushkin, Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky ... Why? Take care of yourself!

                  PS By the way, did the figures of the culture of Russian culture equivalent to you appear in independent Azerbaijan?
                  Magomaev and Bul-Bul Ogly not to name. This is a product of the Soviet era. I ask about the achievements of Azerbaijani culture since the collapse of the USSR.
                  And then from the Azerbaijani culture I remember offhand only the black-and-white "Arshin Mal Alan" and then vaguely.

                  Best regards hi
                  1. cartridge
                    cartridge 19 June 2013 11: 29
                    +9
                    sometimes we meet a merchant in the market who reads Plutarch


                    You sly guys, as I look! You are completing your markets with admirers of Plutarch, and you are dumping us a market illiquid and substandard!
                    And then you wonder why your compatriots in Russia are not respected.
                    But do the opposite!
                    As soon as I graduated, I read Plutarch in the language of the author - such a merchant to Russia at once, and substandard unshaven unshaven golden-toothed fellow countrymen in bulk take back along with their garlic and cucumbers.
                    You look and change the opinion of Russians about you for the better!
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 19 June 2013 11: 39
                      0
                      Quote: cartridge
                      As soon as I graduated, I read Plutarch in the language of the author - such a merchant to Russia at once, and substandard unshaven unshaven golden-toothed fellow countrymen in bulk take back along with their garlic and cucumbers.

                      )))))))))))))))
                      get it))))))))))))
                      1. smersh70
                        smersh70 19 June 2013 17: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        get it))))))))))))



                        if it weren’t for the Administrator .. I would answer him, in Russian .. with a soul .. but it’s a pity ... morality and education do not allow me to do this ..
                        but still it seems this is not a cartridge, but a stoic laughing
                      2. Airman
                        Airman 19 June 2013 17: 20
                        -4
                        Quote: smersh70
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        get it))))))))))))



                        if it weren’t for the Administrator .. I would answer him, in Russian .. with a soul .. but it’s a pity ... morality and education do not allow me to do this ..
                        but still it seems this is not a cartridge, but a stoic laughing


                        You are not Russian, and not even Azerbaijani, you have Armenian blood in you, and how much you hate Armenians! So express yourself in Hebrew.
                      3. Airman
                        Airman 19 June 2013 18: 02
                        -2
                        Quote: Povshnik
                        Quote: smersh70
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        get it))))))))))))



                        if it weren’t for the Administrator .. I would answer him, in Russian .. with a soul .. but it’s a pity ... morality and education do not allow me to do this ..
                        but still it seems this is not a cartridge, but a stoic laughing


                        You are not Russian, and not even Azerbaijani, you have Armenian blood in you, and how much you hate Armenians! So express yourself in Hebrew.


                        Well, he was offended, began to minus, although he painted his pedigree. About the Jews because (as the Armenians say) where the Armenian passed, there is nothing for the Jew to do.
                      4. smersh70
                        smersh70 19 June 2013 18: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Povshnik
                        you have Armenian blood in you, and how much you hate Armenians!



                        Perhaps you wrote it to Stoik ..... laughing
                4. P-15
                  P-15 19 June 2013 11: 42
                  0
                  Assassin))))))))) laughing
              3. xetai9977
                xetai9977 19 June 2013 12: 36
                -1
                patron And I don’t think of going to Moscow again! You, unlike the forward, did not understand anything! Neither I, nor my acquaintances and friends were born at the counter. As for cultural figures, I can name dozens of names, but you hardly have any idea about them, because they do not have the habit of wiping their pants in such "forges of culture" as "minute of fame", "two stars", etc. And you do not send your best representatives to us either. In the evenings, "priestesses of love" from Russia hang out on the boulevard and on Torgovaya, and you can study the entire geography of your country using them. Or did I put it wrong? Maybe now they are considered more respected by you than really smart and intelligent Russians?
                1. Denis
                  Denis 19 June 2013 15: 16
                  +6
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  in such "forges of culture" as "minute of glory" "two stars", etc.
                  It’s like culture, even in quotation marks, it can’t be. So close to being classified as cultural figures Volochkova, Sobchak, etc.
                  It’s a pity that such a thing was born on our earth
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                3. cartridge
                  cartridge 19 June 2013 17: 11
                  -1
                  In the evenings on the boulevard and on Torgovaya, "priestesses of love" from Russia hang out, and they can be used to study the entire geography of your country


                  Your adventures in the priestesses of love are not interesting to me.
                  Unlike you, I do not use the services of prostitutes.
                  And even more so, I do not study geography on them.
                  I adhere to moral principles and, unlike you, I do not need venal love. Love me not for the money!
                  The details of your intimate addictions are not interesting to me. And what you wrote really dropped you in my eyes.

                  xetai9977 henceforth I ask you not to write and contact me on this forum. I do not want to stoop to your level. Farewell!
                  1. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 19 June 2013 20: 07
                    +2
                    I am not eager to communicate with you and others like you. And what you write cannot drop you in my eyes, because you have nowhere to fall. So let's goodbye ...
              4. smersh70
                smersh70 19 June 2013 17: 06
                -1
                Quote: cartridge
                I ask about the achievements of Azerbaijani culture since the collapse of the USSR.


                Patron .. sorry .... but YOU feel that the culture of communication and worldview is poor .. if you watch TV, look at the achievements of Azerbaijan at Eurovision ... for 5 years --- only the first 5 places ... HERE and level .... hi
                1. cartridge
                  cartridge 19 June 2013 17: 30
                  +3
                  Cartridge .. sorry ....


                  I understand that for some reason you come to me as "you". Well then, in this post, and I to you on "you"

                  smersh70 .. sorry .... but when I asked about culture, I was referring to achievements in classical culture (painting, music, literature, dramaturgy, theater), and not so close to you pop singularity ....
                  Would you also give nightclubs as an example of cultural achievements laughing
                  And in general, you have become strange, comrades Azerbaijanis.
                  I asked the representatives of Azerbaijan at this forum about the achievements of Azerbaijani culture for 1991-2013, so one immediately began to tell me how he studied geography in the evenings of prostitutes in Baku, the second began to praise some local pop music ... fool
                  It is obvious that in the rating of Azerbaijani cultural predilections, the song "Black Eyes" is higher than Beethoven laughing
                  If this is considered a culture for you, then everything is clear with your level of development! laughing
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 19 June 2013 17: 56
                    +2
                    Quote: cartridge
                    (painting, music, literature, drama, theater),
                    Modern paintings and drawings by Azerbaijani artists are presented in private collections in many countries of the world. Art lovers are pleased with the works of A. and V. Shamsiev., I. Mammadov, Z. Aliyeva, D. Kerimov, O. and V. Agababaev, U. and E. Akhverdiev, E. and M. Babaev, R. and S. The Verdievs, R. Kerimov, E. and D. Gashimovs, N. and A. Ibragimovs, Mehdiyev, Maratly, A. and S. Samedovs, Farzaliev, and many other artists of the Azerbaijani land.

                    Composers Kara Karaev, Arif Melikov is a world-famous!

                    World famous conductor Adigezalov !!
                    World-famous playwrights Yelchin, Anar!
                    Yes, I’ll call you thousands of Azerbaijanis, there’s not enough room here !!

                    The fact that you do not know them does not mean they are not !!!
                  2. cartridge
                    cartridge 19 June 2013 18: 07
                    -5
                    Yarbay you are carefully avoiding answering the question.

                    Here is my question
                    By the way, but equivalent to the figures of Russian culture that were named to you in independent Appeared in Azerbaijan?
                    Magomaev and Bul-Bul Ogly not to name. This is a product of the Soviet era. I ask about the achievements of Azerbaijani culture since the collapse of the USSR.


                    So do not try stupid than you are.
                    Answer essentially.
                    Figures of culture of the Azerbaijan SSR need not be called. I know about them without you.
                    Tell me the Azerbaijan star of the WORLD LEVEL, which appeared in the period from December 1991 to June 2013, that is, after the collapse of the USSR.
                    Are you really not able to understand what they ask you and what kind of answer is expected from you?
                  3. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 19 June 2013 18: 19
                    +3

                    THIS IS THE WORLD LEVEL
                  4. cartridge
                    cartridge 20 June 2013 00: 59
                    +1
                    Good composer! Nice tune! The truth is not the world level, even within the former USSR, not everyone will give his name. But that's not the point. Mansurov is also a product of the Soviet era! He received his education in the Soviet system of education. By the collapse of the USSR, he was almost a fortieth ...
                    I'm only interested in those Azerbaijani stars that shone not inside Azerbaijan, but outside the whole world after 91 years.
                    Let them study in Soviet Azerbaijan and come to the collapse of the USSR as certified and trained artists and creators. That is, they should be about forty years old today.
                    Those Azerbaijani surnames that appeared in the world of art and culture after 1991 are interested. They are interested in Azerbaijani surnames that can be read on posters in the largest cities of the world on other continents: about their exhibitions, concerts, performances, etc.
                    And those who were known even during the Soviet Union and inherited an independent Azerbaijan from registration do not interest me.
                    Give yours, new, famous!
                    If I’m going on a donkey somewhere to Paris or Berlin, then which of the Azerbaijani stars can I meet there? Tell me, do not be shy!
                  5. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 20 June 2013 01: 15
                    -3
                    Quote: cartridge
                    If I’m going on a donkey somewhere to Paris or Berlin, then which of the Azerbaijani stars can I meet there? Tell me, do not be shy!

                    So you tell me, if I go there, then who, except prostitutes, drunks and criminals I will meet from Russia ??
                    Name the representatives of independent Russia, brought up not in the USSR, than something famous other than what I called!
                    Do not be shy!
                  6. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 20 June 2013 01: 17
                    +3


                    Azerbaijani student Pavarotti Yusif Eyvazov:
              5. Yarbay
                Yarbay 19 June 2013 18: 22
                +2
                Quote: cartridge
                Answer essentially.

                Above answered !!
                As criminals, this is a local product, as composers and Soviet playwrights!
                Indeed, independent Azerbaijan has not existed for 20 years, hundreds of young people have already become famous artists, playwrights !!
                I don’t know 15 year old Russian gennias either !!
                I see on TV and in the life of criminals, drug addicts, drunkards, and prostitutes !!!
                I do not know the product of modern Russian culture!
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 19 June 2013 18: 10
            +4
            Quote: cartridge
            Cartridge .. sorry ....


            I understand that for some reason you come to me as "you". Well then, in this post, and I to you on "you"

            smersh70 .. sorry .... but when I asked about culture, I was referring to achievements in classical culture (painting, music, literature, dramaturgy, theater), and not so close to you pop singularity ....
            Would you also give nightclubs as an example of cultural achievements laughing
            And in general, you have become strange, comrades Azerbaijanis.
            I asked the representatives of Azerbaijan at this forum about the achievements of Azerbaijani culture for 1991-2013, so one immediately began to tell me how he studied geography in the evenings of prostitutes in Baku, the second began to praise some local pop music ... fool
            It is obvious that in the rating of Azerbaijani cultural predilections, the song "Black Eyes" is higher than Beethoven laughing
            If this is considered a culture for you, then everything is clear with your level of development! laughing

            Patron and you can list those in Russia, honestly it’s in Azerbaijan, that nobody comes to mind in Russia. Although Uzeyir steers))) Well, the songs of Jan Jan and the new hit Maral Maral Ay Maral))
          3. smersh70
            smersh70 19 June 2013 18: 17
            +1
            Quote: cartridge
            Would you also give nightclubs as an example of cultural achievements


            Seeing how you write .. I have big doubts that you are fond of theater, painting))) I gave you an example from an area that is very close to you laughing well, what about night clubs, sorry, dear, probably in your city there are more of them than in all of Azerbaijan))))) hi
            and I didn’t think that Beethoven-Russian ...... it’s probably YOU taught YOUR political officer in the classroom ... smile
            and about the oddities ... stock up on the canister of Armenian brandy that lost a stoic here .... You still learn a lot from us))))))
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 19 June 2013 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: smersh70
          if you watch TV, look at the achievements of Azerbaijan at Eurovision ... for 5 years --- only the first 5 places ... HERE and level ....


          answer



          this will be Baku in 2020 good

          1. Apollo
            Apollo 19 June 2013 19: 14
            +2
            past and present of Baku

          2. Semurg
            Semurg 19 June 2013 20: 18
            +3
            Beautifully someday I’ll come and see live, if health and earnings allow.
        3. cartridge
          cartridge 19 June 2013 23: 46
          -6
          Halva! Halva! Halva! laughing
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    3. MG42
      MG42 20 June 2013 01: 19
      +3
      Quote: smersh70
      if you watch TV, look at the achievements of Azerbaijan at Eurovision ... for 5 years --- only the first 5 places

      This is not an indicator, since Eurovision = political competition including, for example, Turkey will give the highest score for Azerbaijan and vice versa, for Russia = Belarus, for Greece = Cyprus, for Romania = Moldova, etc. Who counts SMS votes as a big question and juggling is very likely ..
  • Conepatus
    Conepatus 20 June 2013 02: 19
    0
    PS By the way, did the figures of the culture of Russian culture equivalent to you appear in independent Azerbaijan?
    Magomaev and Bul-Bul Ogly not to name. This is a product of the Soviet era. I ask about the achievements of Azerbaijani culture since the collapse of the USSR.
    And then from the Azerbaijani culture I remember offhand only the black-and-white "Arshin Mal Alan" and then vaguely.



    And what cultural figures, after the collapse of the USSR, appeared in Russia?
    1-Shura; 2-Tattoo; 3-Kolya Basque; 4-May Abrikosov; 5-Maxim Galkin.
    And this is after Pushkin, Chekhov, Dostoevsky.
    As Pastor Schlag said: "This is a complete collapse of morals." recourse

  • f-111117
    f-111117 19 June 2013 11: 06
    +4
    don’t listen, these young people came ..... in, everything was done with the union, but they did not betray each other either in the Second World War or in Afghanistan. Sucks are in any nation
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 19 June 2013 10: 57
    -2
    I am watching them! Like in a zoo for monkeys in a cage! wink


    I would not put it that way here. I have a familiar Azerbaijani woman, and she is not a monkey at all! angry So keep these conversations in the kitchen! negative
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 19 June 2013 11: 19
      -1
      I have a familiar Azerbaijani woman, and she is not a monkey at all!


      See how lucky you are. And I do not have such friends.
      Therefore, instead of communication, you only have to observe the behavior of individual representatives. And draw the appropriate conclusions. So far, I see that oranges will not be born from Azerbaijani aspen.
      1. P-15
        P-15 19 June 2013 11: 45
        0
        And you come to Baku)))
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 19 June 2013 12: 16
          +4
          What for? Looking for merchants reading Plutarch? wink So we both know that we won’t find such! wassat
          What else to do there? what
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 June 2013 12: 28
            0
            Quote: cartridge
            What else to do there?

            I think a good rest))))
            Surprise and be upset by the lack of golden teeth among others))
            I think it will be comfortable for you !!))
          2. P-15
            P-15 19 June 2013 12: 32
            0
            This Plutarch was given to you. laughing Everything is known in comparison, at the same time you will have a cool rest. So to say combine the useful with the pleasant.
          3. cartridge
            cartridge 19 June 2013 12: 54
            +5
            Thank you! We are fed well here! A rest in Azerbaijan? Oh, m ...
            Of course, I believe that there are good places to relax there, but I'm afraid that such an undertaking will not find understanding among my relatives.
            If I tell them that I am going to Azerbaijan absolutely unnecessary for me on vacation, at the invitation of two clusters of screen pixels from the Military Review website, then probably, as the Japanese say, I can lose face.
            So, I will somehow rest in the old way without you, and you without me.
            It is better to invite, if there is such an opportunity, your fellow countrymen to your vacation. And then behind the trays of grass the guys do not see the light of white. Work for wear!
            And so suddenly they will like it in their small homeland, they will stay at home, they will read Plutarch as decent ... wink
          4. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 June 2013 12: 58
            +4
            Quote: cartridge
            So, I will somehow rest in the old way without you, and you without me.

            A wise decision)))))))))))
            Quote: cartridge
            It is better to invite, if there is such an opportunity, your fellow countrymen to your vacation. And then behind the trays of grass the guys do not see the light of white. Work for wear!

            So they also do not want to))))
            Also afraid * lose * face and not only)))))
            Take a chance, give them an example)))
          5. Denis
            Denis 19 June 2013 15: 22
            +5
            Quote: cartridge
            We are well fed here too!
            Recently discovered the Russian North!
            How stupid he was that he didn’t know before. North is only terrible in its name, and so is grace. Egypt, Turkey and transvest-thailand smoke aside
          6. fisherman
            fisherman 20 June 2013 04: 08
            0
            yes, this is something ...

            Vishera and Pechora - and the foothills with crystal streams, and then the river scope ...

            even if there is no trout (as in the Caucasus), but there is grayling and the elder brother of trout - taimen ...

            in August with the little brothers we will break out there, have a little rest, we will stay Kuzmichi :)
      2. Airman
        Airman 19 June 2013 17: 57
        0
        Quote: P-15
        This Plutarch was given to you. laughing Everything is known in comparison, at the same time you will have a cool rest. So to say combine the useful with the pleasant.


        I prefer to relax on the Red Sea, and more pleasant, and more fun to the eye.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 19 June 2013 12: 26
    +1
    Quote: P-15
    And you come to Baku)))

    That's right))) let him come and introduce Plutarch)))
    1. P-15
      P-15 19 June 2013 12: 36
      -1
      By the way, I saw him recently)))))) Plutarch
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 19 June 2013 12: 50
      0
      Joking as a joke, but the merchant reading Plutarch sits in the second row of Yashyl ​​Bazar. He fell under a reduction at the research institute. Here and gets over.
    3. P-15
      P-15 19 June 2013 12: 55
      -1
      I in no way doubt your words Dear. Little discharge never bothers))
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  • cartridge
    cartridge 19 June 2013 12: 57
    +2
    So is he the only one? And I thought that this is a mass phenomenon and the volume of Plutarch in my hands is like a pass for the counter ...
    And what kind of research institute if not a secret? wink
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 19 June 2013 13: 08
    -2
    Everyone speaks according to their level of intelligence. This is me., Note. And as for the research institute, something like mechanical engineering, did not go into details (bought potatoes from him). We do not have the habit of collecting a profile from random acquaintances.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 19 June 2013 13: 10
    +2
    Quote: xetai9977
    Joking jokes

    Well, I also know such people and did not want to offend you!
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  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 20 June 2013 04: 54
    +2
    Quote: Yarbay
    let him come and introduce Plutarch)))

    Personally? belay what laughing hi
  • Airman
    Airman 19 June 2013 17: 02
    0
    Quote: cartridge
    I have a familiar Azerbaijani woman, and she is not a monkey at all!


    See how lucky you are. And I do not have such friends.
    Therefore, instead of communication, you only have to observe the behavior of individual representatives. And draw the appropriate conclusions. So far, I see that oranges will not be born from Azerbaijani aspen.


    I would say that flowers are not born from the Azerbaijani barrel.
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    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 19 June 2013 20: 16
      +3
      Let other Russians give an assessment of the level of these "smart guys." I will only add that a couple of such on the site are so damaging to the image of Russia that even a dozen ill-wishing politicians could not have achieved.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 19 June 2013 18: 45
    +1
    Quote: cartridge
    For five years of my service in Transcaucasia, I talked with them for the rest of my life.


    and here from here in more detail, names of a surname. numbers of military units of a date well and so on.
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      1. Apollo
        Apollo 19 June 2013 21: 53
        +1
        Quote: cartridge
        For Azerbaijani Apollos, help is paid!


        We all joke and laugh, well, well. Laugh, you know this expression laughs well not the one who laughs last but the one who knows how laugh. Time will tell which of us was right. As for the reference, I don't need it. Not even paid for nothing.
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      2. smersh70
        smersh70 19 June 2013 22: 17
        +2
        Quote: cartridge
        read "12 chairs", Fields!


        Cartridge .you said here that ours can’t fly)) although I put a video for YOU here so you can see ....
        and then the telly is on and I’m watching that something exploded at YOU ..... and who now doesn’t know how to store their ammunition, and now it remains for us to ulce about this. request
        By the way, I wish all the wounded health and a speedy recovery !!!!
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    1. Skarte
      Skarte 19 June 2013 21: 44
      +1
      Hatred, blood boils, arguments are over, the desire to kill remains) Curious, curious ... This dispute resembles a plot from Krylov's fable "The Mirror and the Monkey". You blame each other, foam comes out of your mouth, shouting that you will not fall to the level of your opponent, but STEADY trying to leave the last word for yourself, hurting your "opponent" more painfully (competition "whose tongue is sharper"). Vaughn xetai9977, I immediately remembered Russian prostitutes (I will tell you my opinion ... many representatives of Azerbaijan go to Russia to earn money and for a better life, and Russian girls from all regions of Russia, FROM ALL, for some reason, go to Azerbaijan, is somehow not logical. ..I don't think that Masha from Siberia or Tanya from Murmansk will go to Azerbaijan, no, I give 100% they will go either to St. Petersburg or to Moscow, well, not to Baku).
      Let other Russians give an assessment of the level of these "smart guys." I will only add that a couple of such on the site are so damaging to the image of Russia that even a dozen ill-wishing politicians could not have achieved.

      I want to say that the same happened on your part. A citizen, allegedly from Azerbaijan, who repeatedly showed disrespect, rude. Then, all of a sudden, all his comments were deleted ("troll" or simply not able to control emotions, I think only you know this, especially Yarbay).
      Quote: cartridge
      I am watching them! Like in a zoo for monkeys in a cage

      I respect your knowledge in military affairs and even was shocked by them, since your specialty is close to me!
      But as a person you look small, unless of course you are like writing!
      I want you to know that if we ever find ourselves in different trenches, I will without hesitation put a bullet in your forehead, if the opportunity presents itself!

      Forgive me, well, if they behave like that, what to do. If they try by all means to demonstrate their belonging to another country, while living in another (the indigenous population is irritated by this showiness) ... We are not talking about those who live in Azerbaijan, we are talking about those who live in Russia. I wonder if anyone in Azerbaijan has seen cars on the hood of which the Russian flag is pasted, and from the car at full speed "Kalinka-Malinka" is playing ... This is a frequent occurrence here, especially in the area of ​​Bolshiye Isad.
      Out of all this controversy, Apollon is respected.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 19 June 2013 22: 36
        +1
        Quote: Skarte
        We are not talking about those who live in Azerbaijan, we are talking about those who live in Russia. I wonder if anyone in Azerbaijan has seen cars on the hood of which the Russian flag is pasted, and from the car at full speed "Kalinka-Malinka" is playing ...

        Because the trouble is in you yourself !!
        In your leaders, in the corruption of the polls of your society!
        We have not only Russian, but ours will not be able to dance where it is not supposed to be, but I don’t even speak about shooting even in the air !!!
        We plant criminals, those who vyzhivayutsya punished so that everyone around saw and did not dare to do so again !!
        It does the state !!
        When your leaders learn to live according to the laws, and not according to concepts, everything will be all right with you!
        1. Skarte
          Skarte 19 June 2013 22: 51
          +1
          Because the trouble is in you yourself !!
          In your leaders, in the corruption of the polls of your society!
          We have not only Russian, but ours will not be able to dance where it is not supposed to be, but I don’t even speak about shooting even in the air !!!

          Stop-stop, I didn’t talk about shooting and dancing ... this is from another opera. I’ve talked about a demonstration of belonging ... Law does not prohibit sticking a flag on the hood, and Azerbaijan’s listening to music loudly while driving ... And this is a pure demonstration, I’m talking about that!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 June 2013 23: 10
            0
            Quote: Skarte
            I talked about demonstration of ownership

            The day before yesterday, with my own eyes I saw a group of cars with Russian and Soviet flags near the Hilton Hotel, the slogans were drawn on the cars too! The car numbers were also Russian!
            I understand that there was some kind of run associated with Victory Day!
            So what???
          2. Skarte
            Skarte 20 June 2013 08: 08
            +2
            You either did not understand me or do not want to understand ... I said that they live HERE in Russia, they have cars with Russian numbers, 30 region i.e. Astrakhan, demonstrate where they are from, LIVING HERE, and not at home ... they are not participating in the race ... they had one race when they migrated from Azerbaijan to Russia ...
  • Skarte
    Skarte 19 June 2013 09: 51
    +4
    Eh, have you been to Astrakhan ?? We have this picture wherever you look. (
  • smersh70
    smersh70 19 June 2013 17: 01
    +2
    Quote: cartridge
    For me, if all Caucasians returned to their native villages and villages, then my opinion of them as patriots of their homeland would have risen to heaven.



    Also the MOST German told me in relation to the Russians in MUNICH .. fellow
    Patron .. YOU don’t have a twin brother living in Munich .. (by analogy with the film BROTH_2) laughing
    1. Skarte
      Skarte 19 June 2013 17: 26
      +2
      And I knew from Munster saying that the Turks tortured us, we have Tajiks, they have Turks.
    2. cartridge
      cartridge 19 June 2013 22: 35
      +1
      Also the MOST German told me in relation to the Russians in MUNICH ..


      smersh70 do not lie and do not make me disappointed in you!
      Which Munich? Which German? What do you compose? Yes, the world will turn around, so that a German voluntarily speaks with anyone from somewhere strayed by an Azerbaijani ... Also tell me that the German spoke to you in Azerbaijani? Or do you speak German? Do not tell me please!
      If you start to lie that you are a polyglot, then I’ll ask you to translate several Russian phrases into German that no electronic translator can handle and you will immediately sit in a puddle.
      So it’s better not to lie or develop this theme!

      As for the film "Brother-2", then watch the film "Brother-1" episode in the tram http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkVRle5O9Ls
      For you, this is more relevant. laughing
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 19 June 2013 23: 44
        +1
        Quote: cartridge
        "Brother-1" uh


        your favorite ARA were there laughing
        and now we’ll go over to our Germans)) I speak English. my friend. and some of the Germans already speak English quite well ...... and the Germans helped me speak purely Germans (he was Russian, to be exact, and served in Avgan, his wife was a German woman) who emigrated from Kazakhstan .... hi .
        and besides, in your words, the 20th army of the USSR killed all Germans in Munich and you had a hand in this)))))))))))) laughing
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 20 June 2013 00: 37
          +1
          I speak English. My friend. And some of the Germans already speak English quite well.


          Considering how illiterate this is all written in Russian .... No comment ... I crawled from laughter under the table! laughing
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 20 June 2013 00: 42
            0
            Quote: cartridge
            Considering how illiterate this is all written in Russian .... No comment ... I crawled from laughter under the table!

            Get out))))
            Let's go in German !!
            I know not only German !!
            Want to check me out ???
            I will answer for him!
            1. cartridge
              cartridge 20 June 2013 01: 23
              0
              It is dangerous to enter into a dialogue with Yarbey. You will begin to argue with you, so your fellow countryman Apollo will hang another reprimand, a warning about an imminent execution.

              Okay. Here's a simple phrase from a Berlin museum in German words, but in Russian "Für lauz ishpreh gold fine von dray hundert euro!"
              Given your noble urge to save a fellow countryman, there will be no more phrases! Do not sit with us yet at night! There and one of your fellow tribesmen with an unpronounceable name such as Ayyldiz swears because I am trying to answer every question throughout your diaspora ...
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              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 20 June 2013 05: 03
                +2
                Quote: cartridge
                It is dangerous to enter into a dialogue with Yarbey. You start arguing with you, so your fellow countryman Apollo will hang another reprimand warning

                Definitely dangerous negativeYou already got me fool Now I will enter into a dialogue so my friend Apollo also for me a warning will slap the Truth and me too what wassat
        2. cartridge
          cartridge 20 June 2013 01: 28
          +1
          smersh70
          and besides, in your words, the 20th army of the USSR killed all Germans in Munich and you had a hand in this


          In my words ???? belay
          I don’t understand what are you talking about? I ask you to confirm with facts that this is something I generally said on this topic! fool
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 19 June 2013 18: 20
    +3
    Quote: cartridge
    so the head of this family lifted up over the last month with his manner of frying barbecue 10 meters from the high-rise building and at the same time go into this apartment not through the door,

    Have you tried to explain directly what is "good" and what is "bad"?
  • smersh70
    smersh70 19 June 2013 18: 39
    +1
    Cartridge !!!!! look! In the sky huckster from the 5th row laughing

    and here everything is from Cherkizon

    1. Anti
      Anti 19 June 2013 19: 35
      +1
      Ear cut, 2: 50 minute, the announcer said to the helicopter instead of a helicopter, that they looked so westward there? The technique is Russian or heard ...
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 19 June 2013 19: 51
        +2
        Quote: Anti
        Ear cut, 2: 50 minute, the announcer said to the helicopter instead of a helicopter, that they looked so westward there? The technique is Russian or heard ...


        OOOo, Oleg what fate. laughing We haven’t seen you for a long time. We miss you, you understand. And why does it hurt you, we have foreign words in our everyday speech, why does this surprise you ?! winked You might think that in the Russian language there are no foreign words. Globalization you see, damn it, how I hate this word. But nonetheless I use it. laughing
        1. Anti
          Anti 19 June 2013 20: 11
          +2
          Quote: Apollon
          Why do you hurt your hearing


          so how? ours were, as it were, offensively you see, no, it hurts rather. recourse but your answer gives hope for a peaceful future smile
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 19 June 2013 20: 15
            +2
            Quote: Anti
            but your answer gives hope for a peaceful future


            and your answer inspires me with optimism that you are behaving, changing for the better. In all seriousness. I just don’t recognize you.
            1. Anti
              Anti 19 June 2013 20: 24
              0
              It seemed to you that this is nonsense, as the storyteller says from ......... -the hopes of young men feed laughing .a here on another branch, the fan probably put its NZ of alcohol, everything went without me, I won’t forgive myself for this. winked
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      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 19 June 2013 23: 15
        +1
        cartridge
        Where does such love for Armenians come from, from friendship, from service or from need?
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 20 June 2013 05: 08
          +1
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Where does such love for Armenians come from, from friendship, from service or from need?

          By big belay
          1. Arminian power
            Arminian power 5 October 2013 21: 23
            0
            Turk remains Turk hi
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      4. smersh70
        smersh70 19 June 2013 23: 48
        -3
        Quote: cartridge
        As already happened in the case of the military equipment of the Georgian army in 2008



        cartridge, after the explosion in Samara, from you there is only a SHIELD !!!!!!!! laughing laughing save ammunition .. will be needed)))))))))))))))
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 20 June 2013 01: 29
          +2
          Don't rain, my dear! The last cartridge for you is always there! laughing
    3. cartridge
      cartridge 20 June 2013 00: 40
      +2
      Feed the pilots well! They are all so fat, well-fed, with a puss!
      He turned the cauldron of pilaf and soared into the sky like a bird! lol
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 20 June 2013 00: 56
        -1
        [quote = cartridge] Will you troll for a long time?
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 20 June 2013 01: 08
          +2
          Do not know request So many questions, you have to answer ...
          In general, while they will ask me, it seems uncomfortable to leave the interlocutor unanswered ...
          They will not ask - I will not answer!
          I hope my answer suits you! wink
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 19 June 2013 08: 57
    +2
    Do not forget that Azerbaijan is an enclave state and for the transport of arms must negotiate with Russia, Armenia or Iran.
    1. cartridge
      cartridge 19 June 2013 09: 04
      +2
      for the transport of weapons must agree with Russia, Armenia or Iran.


      In fact, Georgia also borders on Azerbaijan. This is when it comes to the supply of Western weapons.

      But for the supply of weapons from Russia, no agreement is needed. The main thing is money for a barrel, and then calmly wait for a steamer with ordered cargo to arrive from Astrakhan!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 20 June 2013 00: 04
        0
        [quote = cartridge] [quote] for the transport of weapons must negotiate with Russia, Armenia or Iran. [/ quote]



        Look here ... maybe you will change your views)))))))))))
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 June 2013 09: 10
      +3
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Do not forget that Azerbaijan is an enclave state and for the transport of arms must negotiate with Russia, Armenia or Iran.

      What are you talking about ??
      What does enclave state mean ??
      And why is this with Armenia?))))))))))))))))))
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 19 June 2013 09: 20
        +3
        This user confused us with OUR enclave with Nakhichevan.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 19 June 2013 17: 14
          0
          Quote: xetai9977
          user


          and he’s all on the drum) because he is not a cartridge ..... he has long been a sleeve !!!!!!!!!! fellow
      2. P-15
        P-15 19 June 2013 09: 52
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        What are you talking about??
        What does enclave state mean ??
        And why is this with Armenia?))))))))))))))))))

        He seems tight with geography lol
    3. Airman
      Airman 19 June 2013 09: 13
      +6
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Do not forget that Azerbaijan is an enclave state and for the transport of arms must negotiate with Russia, Armenia or Iran.


      Geography must be studied.
    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 19 June 2013 09: 19
      +4
      You would be shy to call an independent state - an enclave. This state cannot be, excuse me, an enclave.
      The term “enclave” is applied to states only if they are completely surrounded by another (one) country and have no access to the sea.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 19 June 2013 10: 23
        +2
        Good afternoon, Eugene! What, you are so weakly taught geography?
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 19 June 2013 10: 31
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          What, you are so weakly taught geography?

          Greetings, Rauf. hi In my 56th school, built by the Nobel brothers, geography was taught well, although I did not tolerate our geography. But how this subject is taught in Russia, I will only recognize by grandchildren. The children also studied in Baku. :) If anything, you have to correct the teachers. This we will be able to. lol
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 19 June 2013 12: 58
            +4
            And don’t say. It seems like a universal misfortune, a modern school. drinks
    5. AK-47
      AK-47 19 June 2013 09: 22
      -1
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Do not forget that Azerbaijan is an enclave state and ...

      The term "enclave" applies only if the state is completely surrounded by another (one) country and has no access to the sea.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 19 June 2013 09: 46
        +2
        Quote: AK-47
        The term "enclave" applies only if the state is completely surrounded by another (one) country and does not have access to the sea

        Very similar to Armenia))))))
    6. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 June 2013 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Do not forget that Azerbaijan is an enclave state and for the transport of arms must negotiate with Russia, Armenia or Iran.


      laughing
      Yes, how much laughter)))
      The weapon was bought from Russia. This is to your previous post about negotiating with Iran. wink
      And if you mean Israel, then everything is just from Israel to Turkey from there to Georgia and voila weapons in Baku))
    7. teodorh
      teodorh 19 June 2013 11: 13
      +1
      There is only one enclave state in the world, Lesotho.
      1. Denis
        Denis 19 June 2013 11: 43
        +1
        Quote: teodorh
        There is only one enclave state in the world, Lesotho.
        What about the Vatican? Rome around there
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 19 June 2013 17: 28
          +1
          San Marino, also in Italy.
  • mark1
    mark1 19 June 2013 07: 04
    +6
    I think Azerbaijan is arming against Iran so that for Tehran there is a good counterbalance in the direction of the Caspian Sea, and the Russian Armed Forces will cover Armenia (accordingly, Armenia’s foreign policy dependence on Russia is growing). But this is my assumption, in fact, everything can be much trickier or dumber.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 June 2013 08: 06
      +4
      Quote: mark1
      I think Azerbaijan is arming against Iran

      Azerbaijan is arming itself against the enemy and potential enemies!
      Russia has a border with Iran and, if necessary, will give so much to Iran that they will not come to the borders in the next 50 years!
      1. mark1
        mark1 19 June 2013 08: 12
        +3
        And what enemy is Azerbaijan? It borders Russia with Armenia and Iran, while Azerbaijan and Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran have territorial graters. But Russia has no border with Iran, only the Caspian Sea.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 June 2013 08: 18
          +2
          Quote: mark1
          And what enemy is Azerbaijan? It borders with Russia Armenia and Iran, while Azerbaijan and Armenia have territorial graters

          Enemy of Armenia!
          Territorial graters, as you say serious, are only with Armenia!
          Quote: mark1
          But Russia has no border with Iran, only the Caspian Sea.

          Enough and the maritime border, I mean it!
          There are still borders with Armenia, where Russian border guards and the Russian base stand !!
          1. mark1
            mark1 19 June 2013 08: 31
            +3
            Quote: Yarbay
            There are still borders with Armenia, where Russian border guards and the Russian base stand !!

            It turns out, according to your statements, indirectly Russia is a potential enemy of Azerbaijan? And then we bring the best weapons there from the bottom of our hearts (it’s as if the amers had deceived something)
            All the same, my version about Iran for the actions of Russia is somehow more logical, but Azerbaijan, of course, can have its own views on these weapons. Everything is decided by circumstances.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 19 June 2013 08: 37
              +2
              Quote: mark1
              It turns out, according to your statements, indirectly Russia is a potential enemy of Azerbaijan?

              Well, where can we compete with Russia, although I always said if any country attacks us, whether it be the USA, Mongolia, Qatar, it makes no difference to me, I am ready to be where I need by the first order of the Supreme Supreme Commander!
              Quote: mark1
              All the same, my version of Iran’s account for the actions of Russia is somehow more logical

              What is more logical ??
              We are at war with Armenia, and not with Iran!
              1. mark1
                mark1 19 June 2013 08: 40
                +7
                Quote: Yarbay
                What is more logical ??
                We are at war with Armenia, and not with Iran!

                Well, Russia will not let you fight with Armenia, and even with its weapons, do not even hope.
                1. Truffoff
                  Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: mark1
                  Well, Russia will not let you fight with Armenia, and even with its weapons, do not even hope

                  And the Syrian rebels normally cope with Assad tanks with our ATGMs. Yesterday there was infa.
                  1. mark1
                    mark1 19 June 2013 08: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Truffoff
                    And the Syrian rebels normally cope with Assad tanks with our ATGMs. Yesterday there was infa.

                    The Syrian rebels, of course, are big bastards, but they’re such bastards as our ATGMs, we stole something from them from somewhere.
                    I hope infa is not from China?
                    1. Truffoff
                      Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 52
                      0
                      Quote: mark1
                      The Syrian rebels, of course, are big bastards, but they’re such bastards as our ATGMs, we stole something from them from somewhere.

                      They certainly do not. Delivered to some country in the Middle East.
                      Also, a plant for the production of RPG-32 in Jordan was built laughing .Where now all the Kodla anti-Asadovskaya gathered.
                2. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 19 June 2013 08: 49
                  +1
                  mark "Russia will not give you to fight with armeniyu" Well, after all, it's not up to you to decide. For this, there are leaders and they will be more competent than you.
                  1. mark1
                    mark1 19 June 2013 09: 05
                    +2
                    Quote: xetai9977
                    mark "Russia will not give you to fight with armeniyu" Well, after all, it's not up to you to decide. For this, there are leaders and they will be more competent than you.

                    Of course, of course - man proposes and God disposes. We are small people and we do not know what is going on in the "Olympic" heads. It's so simple - training the mind and logic ... And who said that I am the ultimate truth?
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 19 June 2013 10: 15
                      0
                      Quote: mark1
                      Quote: xetai9977
                      mark "Russia will not give you to fight with armeniyu" Well, after all, it's not up to you to decide. For this, there are leaders and they will be more competent than you.

                      Of course, of course - man proposes and God disposes. We are small people and we do not know what is going on in the "Olympic" heads. It's so simple - training the mind and logic ... And who said that I am the ultimate truth?

                      So Azerbaijan will not start a war if it is not sure of Moscow’s neutrality. Everyone remembers the events in Georgia.
                      Here or Moscow is changing the external landmarks in the South Caucasus.
                      Or arms Baku against Iran, but why ??? Moscow is not interested in invading Iran.
                      in short we can guess))
                      1. mansur
                        mansur 19 June 2013 10: 20
                        +2
                        The main goal of contractual deliveries of Russian ground military equipment to Azerbaijan is simple and banal: financial gain. The deputy editor-in-chief of the newspaper "Zavtra", military expert Vladislav Shurygin told a REGNUM correspondent about this, commenting on the information spread in the media that the supply process had already begun. According to the interlocutor, if the data on the configuration of the equipment supplied to Azerbaijan are correct, then we are talking about weapons for at least one combined-arms unit ranging in size from a reinforced brigade to a division.
                        “Apparently, Azerbaijan is modernizing its ground forces. Of course, these are the troops that will resolve issues in case of any further aggravations in the Nagorno-Karabakh issue zone. Therefore, if we ask whether the supply of such weapons to Azerbaijan poses a threat to Armenia,” the answer is obvious: unequivocally, "Shurygin said.

                        On the other hand, according to the expert, Russia is not interested in destabilizing the situation, and the main "fuse" here is the presence of a Russian military contingent on the territory of Armenia. "The motivation is clear - the Russian side needs finances. At the same time, Moscow hopes that Azerbaijan will not attack the country on whose territory the troops of the country are located, from which it buys weapons. In Baku, they hesitate to attack a country that is bound with Russia by treaty “On friendship, cooperation and mutual assistance.” In addition, the supply of weapons to Azerbaijan, Shurygin pointed out, is also a kind of lever of influence on the situation as a whole.

                        The military expert noted one more nuance that is of great importance: a holy place is never empty, and if Russia refuses to supply weapons to Azerbaijanis, others will take up this business. "Turkey, for example. There are no obstacles here, and if Azerbaijan suddenly decides to buy NATO weapons from its ally, this will lead to an increase in Ankara's influence and a reduction in Moscow's influence in the region. In other words, a political motive is added to the financial motive, and to refuse to sell to Azerbaijan. Russia is not interested in weapons, "the expert summed up.
                      2. cartridge
                        cartridge 19 June 2013 12: 20
                        0
                        military expert Vladislav Shurygin


                        I read about comrade Shurygin on Wiki:

                        In 1984 he graduated from the Lviv Higher Military-Political School with a degree in military-political journalism.
                        In November 1993, he was dismissed from the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
                        The military rank is the captain of the reserve.

                        What an expert!
                        Such expert impostors in any pub sell for a ruble per bucket! laughing
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 19 June 2013 12: 30
                        +3
                        Quote: cartridge
                        What an expert!

                        and now military * experts * require an intelligent person, meaningful words and more dregs))))
                  2. GP
                    GP 19 June 2013 13: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    Or arming Baku against Iran, but why ???


                    Then, so that Iran would not rock the north. Well-armed neighbor cool cool ardor. Still, Iran is a religious state, where all the religionists have all the power, and it is not known what those people think, but it is easier to defend one state than two.
                  3. Denis
                    Denis 19 June 2013 15: 26
                    +3
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    arming Baku against Iran
                    It seems to me that Iran has more important problems ...
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 19 June 2013 09: 55
              +1
              Quote: mark1
              don't even hope.

              As a young man, I feed on hopes))))))))))
              1. mark1
                mark1 19 June 2013 17: 42
                0
                The main thing is not to get used to it ...
            3. P-15
              P-15 19 June 2013 10: 02
              -1
              Quote: mark1
              Well, Russia will not let you fight with Armenia, and even with its weapons, do not even hope.

              And who said that with Armenia, we’ll just carry out a counter-terrorist operation to force peace on our own territory. But you (read-Russia) do not deny and recognize our territorial integrity.
          2. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 20 June 2013 05: 12
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            if any country attacks us, be it the USA, Mongolia

            Alibek! And if Mongolia attacks, you will come with your donkey or the Supreme will what wassat
    2. cartridge
      cartridge 19 June 2013 09: 08
      +1
      And what enemy is Azerbaijan? It borders Russia with Armenia and Iran.


      I’ll also add with Georgia.
      You are already the second person on this branch who refuses Azerbaijan to have a border with Georgia.
      Learn geography, comrades! Useful! laughing
      1. mark1
        mark1 19 June 2013 09: 24
        +2
        for the cartridge I repent, repent - the knowledge of the geography of this region is superficial. It is necessary to correct.
  • sscha
    sscha 19 June 2013 08: 29
    0
    This is in which place, dear, do we have a common border? hi
    Well, this is only from Kaspiysk on a missile boat! wink
  • Constantine
    Constantine 19 June 2013 08: 38
    +2
    Armed can be in different ways. In this case, the weapons are more of an offensive nature, rather than defensive.
  • Truffoff
    Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 14
    -2
    Quote: mark1
    I think Azerbaijan is arming against Iran,

    Or maybe the amers are arming her against Armenia and NK?
    1. mark1
      mark1 19 June 2013 08: 21
      +3
      Quote: Truffoff
      Or maybe the amers are arming her against Armenia and NK?

      Of course amers! But somehow cunningly, according to our contracts, our weapons.
      1. Truffoff
        Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 24
        -1
        Quote: mark1
        Of course amers! But somehow cunningly, according to our contracts, our weapons.

        When did they act directly?
        1. mark1
          mark1 19 June 2013 08: 36
          +3
          Quote: Truffoff
          When did they act directly?

          Insidious creatures!
      2. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 19 June 2013 08: 28
        +2
        Quote: mark1
        Of course amers! But somehow cunningly, according to our contracts, our weapons.

        I'm afraid that this version will not work in Yerevan! winked
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 19 June 2013 08: 37
        +3
        Quote: mark1
        Of course amers! But somehow cunningly, according to our contracts, our weapons.

        Strong)))
        Laugh))
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 19 June 2013 08: 47
          +1
          Very wise!)))) laughing drinks
    2. cartridge
      cartridge 19 June 2013 09: 20
      -1
      Truffoff (3) Today, 08:14 ↑

      Quote: mark1
      I think Azerbaijan is arming against Iran,

      Or maybe the amers are arming her against Armenia and NK?


      Truffoff, the word "Azerbaijan" is masculine, not feminine. And the word "Armenia" is feminine, not masculine.
      Explain who are you talking about?
      1. Truffoff
        Truffoff 19 June 2013 09: 27
        -3
        Quote: cartridge
        Truffoff, the word "Azerbaijan" is masculine, not feminine. And the word "Armenia" is feminine, not masculine.
        Explain who are you talking about?

        I apologize. I believe that this is the machinations of the Anglo-Saxons, to arm Azerbaijan.
  • Airman
    Airman 19 June 2013 08: 58
    0
    Quote: mark1
    I think Azerbaijan is arming against Iran so that for Tehran there is a good counterbalance in the direction of the Caspian Sea, and the Russian Armed Forces will cover Armenia (accordingly, Armenia’s foreign policy dependence on Russia is growing). But this is my assumption, in fact, everything can be much trickier or dumber.


    On the contrary, they make it clear to Armenia that it is impossible to sit on two chairs. Armenia wants to integrate into the West, and suck Russia like a cash cow. So they showed her that arms supplies to Azerbaijan are changing Russia's priorities. If Armenia needs the West, it will be left without Russia's military support, and then it will be alone in the Karabakh confrontation. They just want to put Armenian politicians in their place, and cut the dough.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 June 2013 09: 15
      +4
      Quote: Povshnik
      .If Armenia needs the west, then it will be left without military support from Russia, and then it will be alone in the Karabakh confrontation

      Yes, Armenia will not get anywhere from Russia and will not be able to independently decide which way to go, since it could not develop and establish itself as a state! That is, financially economic problems and the impossibility of development in this situation force Armenia to do what Russia needs, and not what she wants! this is reality!
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 19 June 2013 08: 59
    +2
    Good morning everyone or day!
    Understand that no one is arming anyone! Azerbaijan with its own money buys for itself those ugushki that Russia sells to it. Russia will not sell, the States or the Europeans will sell, what's the difference? There would be an offer, but there is demand. Probably Baku is more interested in Russian products, because they used Soviet technology for so many years that today they know where and what is better for them to buy.
  • Ah1ll
    Ah1ll 19 June 2013 07: 06
    +1
    Firstly, we have much more tanks than all of Europe combined! And secondly, why do we need to buy a T90 (obsolete tank) !? Ours are waiting for Armata! And in the third we cover the distant frontier!
    1. Truffoff
      Truffoff 19 June 2013 07: 18
      14 th
      Quote: Ah1LL
      Ours are waiting for Armata!

      Armata will be exported entirely, didn’t you know?
      We develop for Chinese and Indian money. As soon as they develop, 90% of the output will be produced in Asia. Our factories simply can not cope with such a complex machine. There is no equipment, personnel, qualifications, capacities, infrastructure.
      1. Truffoff
        Truffoff 19 June 2013 07: 39
        -5
        Why are you minus me? Do I make such a treaty?
        1. mark1
          mark1 19 June 2013 07: 50
          +4
          Well, if they said. And then say it and B. Tell me where the information comes from, maybe you know some details, well, so that it would all be more plausible ... And everyone can start gas from a basin with water.
          1. Truffoff
            Truffoff 19 June 2013 07: 54
            -5
            On Chinese TV broadcast. And to lie to them in the media as we have not decided.
            They are waiting for her there.
            1. mark1
              mark1 19 June 2013 08: 05
              +1
              The Chinese have learned to lie no worse than others. Not so long ago, they announced the purchase of a line for the production of Tu-22M3, although it is known that the production of Tu-22M3 has long been completed, the equipment has been disassembled, the engines are not produced, and the line itself does not exist in nature (this is not oil packaging). refer to our Chinese "friends" try to warn something like that
              1. Truffoff
                Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 18
                -6
                Come on, the same story will be the same as with the SU-35.
      2. Truffoff
        Truffoff 19 June 2013 09: 31
        -1
        Quote: Truffoff
        Armata will be exported entirely, didn’t you know?
        We develop for Chinese and Indian money. As soon as they develop, 90% of the output will be produced in Asia. Our factories simply can not cope with such a complex machine. There is no equipment, personnel, qualifications, capacities, infrastructure.

        This DUCK !!! I came up with an hour ago so that some would not have any illusions.
        What is characteristic is 7 people plus her !!
        Fools and traitors will never translate.
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 07: 53
      0
      Interestingly say Eugene, Russia in the world market positions the T-90 as an excellent, modern, not inferior - and even superior to Abrams and some other Western models of the tank. and you say that it is outdated ... Do not shoot RosOboronService, then Western spies will read it and will think the same way you do.
    3. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 19 June 2013 08: 10
      +2
      Quote: Ah1LL
      Firstly, we have much more tanks than all of Europe combined! And secondly, why do we need to buy a T90 (obsolete tank) !? Ours are waiting for Armata! And in the third we cover the distant frontier!

      Out of 23000 tanks, 6500 are in service. Mostly obsolete T-72s. So the T-90S is out of date, are we waiting for Armata? Well, well. And let's wait next for Armata? And the adversary will wait
    4. Constantine
      Constantine 19 June 2013 08: 40
      0
      I agree. The next generation is on its way and it is necessary to equip your army ahead of schedule, in technological terms, and not to catch up with an already established level.
      1. Airman
        Airman 19 June 2013 09: 09
        +2
        Quote: Constantine
        I agree. The next generation is on its way and it is necessary to equip your army ahead of schedule, in technological terms, and not to catch up with an already established level.


        What next generation are you talking about? Vaughn Shoigu yesterday saw the first SU-35, and decided to rearm the Air Force. Apparently neither he nor I Poghosyan believe that in the foreseeable future we will see PAK FA with engines of the second type.
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 19 June 2013 09: 40
          +2
          Su-35 and T-90 are undoubtedly needed, but the base should be Armata and T-50. That we should be equaled, and not we should catch up, in terms of armaments, was voiced by Rogozin. Hence the conclusion that there will be 4 ++ planes and T-90, but the main emphasis will be on Armata and Pak Fa.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 19 June 2013 07: 13
    +2
    Thus, Azerbaijanis purchased weapons for one tank and one mechanized brigade. When implementing a possible option, they can get a serious shock fist by the 2015 year. If they create a serious fist from strike air forces, there is no doubt that Azerbaijan will recapture at least all territories outside NK.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 19 June 2013 07: 24
      +4
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Thus, Azerbaijanis purchased weapons for one tank and one mechanized brigade. When implementing a possible option, they can get a serious shock fist by the 2015 year. If they create a serious fist from strike air forces, there is no doubt that Azerbaijan will recapture at least all territories outside NK.

      Do not forget that Russian weapons also need Russian ammunition. So what about "beating them off", it is also necessary to ask permission from Russia.
      1. Airman
        Airman 19 June 2013 09: 25
        +3
        Quote: sergo0000
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Thus, Azerbaijanis purchased weapons for one tank and one mechanized brigade. When implementing a possible option, they can get a serious shock fist by the 2015 year. If they create a serious fist from strike air forces, there is no doubt that Azerbaijan will recapture at least all territories outside NK.

        Do not forget that Russian weapons also need Russian ammunition. So what about "beating them off", it is also necessary to ask permission from Russia.


        Earlier, I wrote that in the 90s in Vladikavkaz 2 loaded IL-76 with tank and artillery shells were loaded, one flew to Gyumri and the other to Azerbaijan. and a few days later the battles in the NK began - until the end of the ammunition. The sides came 2-4 times a month. Money does not smell like the blood of those who are being killed.
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 19 June 2013 14: 59
        +1
        Pakistan will provide Azerbaijan with technology for producing ammunition for tanks, artillery and aerial bombs, Azerbaijani Defense Minister Yaver Jamalov told reporters on Tuesday after meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Abdul Gayyum Khan Jatai, the ANS Press news agency reported.

        According to ITAR-TASS, both departments plan to bring to Azerbaijan technologies for the production of ammunition of different series for tanks, artillery shells in caliber from 85 to 152 millimeters, as well as air bombs weighing 50,100, 250 and 500 kilograms and to establish their production

        Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/451082#ixzz2WetmkXb

        2009 YEAR NEWS
        1. Airman
          Airman 19 June 2013 18: 29
          0
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Pakistan will provide Azerbaijan with technology for producing ammunition for tanks, artillery and aerial bombs, Azerbaijani Defense Minister Yaver Jamalov told reporters on Tuesday after meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Abdul Gayyum Khan Jatai, the ANS Press news agency reported.

          According to ITAR-TASS, both departments plan to bring to Azerbaijan technologies for the production of ammunition of different series for tanks, artillery shells in caliber from 85 to 152 millimeters, as well as air bombs weighing 50,100, 250 and 500 kilograms and to establish their production

          Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/451082#ixzz2WetmkXb

          2009 YEAR NEWS


          The composition of the powder mainly determines the ballistics of the projectile. Without technology transfer, everything else is pointless; the shooting tables will have to be recounted.
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 07: 55
      +3
      Good morning Aaron, I think that you are still conjuring over him - install the "friend or foe" system, GPS equipment, in general, you will make candy.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 June 2013 08: 12
      +4
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      In the event that they create a serious fist from the shock air force,

      I think that there is not even a need for the Air Force!
      The territory of the proposed theater of operations is not so big and the tasks can be solved with the help of the artillery and MLRS, and this component in the Azerbaijani army is, in my opinion, enough to free the territories !!!
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 19 June 2013 10: 02
        0
        And then whose scorched desert will remain from the occupied territory? A tornado will not leave stone upon stone)
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 19 June 2013 17: 24
          -2
          Quote: Skarte
          And then whose scorched desert will remain from the occupied territory?



          yes there the Armenians have long left the scorched earth .... even the last building blocks were taken away .. each district lost about 2 billion dollars in 1994 prices ...
          1. Airman
            Airman 19 June 2013 18: 14
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            Quote: Skarte
            And then whose scorched desert will remain from the occupied territory?



            yes there the Armenians have long left the scorched earth .... even the last building blocks were taken away .. each district lost about 2 billion dollars in 1994 prices ...


            Smersh70, I see you are an ardent supporter of the war for Karabakh. What rank are you now and what are you commanding? There are no wars without losses, and do you personally want to die for NK?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 19 June 2013 18: 41
              +1
              Quote: Povshnik
              There are no wars without losses, and do you personally want to die for NK?

              want !
              Quote: Povshnik
              What rank are you now and what are you commanding?

              There is an officer in reserve, but I can command a platoon, company, battalion !!
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 19 June 2013 21: 36
              -1
              Quote: Povshnik
              What rank are you now and what are you commanding?


              Judging by the nickname, you understood what I commanded. fellow and the title, dear my major, and I earned it just when I explained to some comrades like you, the politics of the party and government))))
              and spent on (in) ront all his service .....
              and I’m ready to defend my Homeland further and not die, but kill (YOU were also taught at the School), and if the will of the Almighty is for it, you can die !!!!!!!!
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 19 June 2013 14: 48
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        I think that there is not even a need for the Air Force!


        I personally think that there is always a need for the Air Force, and I wish Azerbaijan to update the weight of the aircraft fleet with the latest fighters! hi
    4. airmister
      airmister 19 June 2013 09: 04
      +1
      According to the modeling, the offensive potential of such a brigade is designed for 2 days of fighting (if we consider parts of the Russian Federation), after which 2 out of 3 tank battalions, 2 out of three motorized rifle battalions are knocked out. Please also note that they did NOT PURCHASE air defense equipment under this brigade. And once again, if you look at the states of our units - all these weapons under the new staff of the heavy tank brigade - 4000 people and weapons mentioned above.

      See the states of 4 SAT or 6 SAT. Without air defense, - the same shell, tungusok and arrows, this brigade is not an opponent to us.
      1. Airman
        Airman 19 June 2013 09: 34
        +2
        Quote: airmister
        According to the modeling, the offensive potential of such a brigade is designed for 2 days of fighting (if we consider parts of the Russian Federation), after which 2 out of 3 tank battalions, 2 out of three motorized rifle battalions are knocked out. Please also note that they did NOT PURCHASE air defense equipment under this brigade. And once again, if you look at the states of our units - all these weapons under the new staff of the heavy tank brigade - 4000 people and weapons mentioned above.

        See the states of 4 SAT or 6 SAT. Without air defense, - the same shell, tungusok and arrows, this brigade is not an opponent to us.


        Have you read the article carefully? Do they already have "several" TOR-2ME batteries, or do you not consider them air defense weapons?
        1. cartridge
          cartridge 20 June 2013 00: 41
          +3
          Climbed up on the site with jokes. That's just right for the topic of air defense.

          - Private Aliev!
          - I!
          - Here is a brick for you - bring down an Armenian plane!
          - A brick - an airplane ?!
          - Aliev, you are an Azirbirzhan!
          Aliev, breaking a brick on his head in half:
          - I'll hit two planes !!!
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 20 June 2013 01: 00
            +2
            You probably love this thing!
  • MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 19 June 2013 07: 14
    +4
    And "Solntsepёki" apparently in order to prove that Azerbaijan is the Land of Fires!
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 June 2013 10: 20
      +1
      Quote: Milafon
      And "Solntsepёki" apparently in order to prove that Azerbaijan is the Land of Fires!

      laughing
  • Edward72
    Edward72 19 June 2013 07: 16
    +1
    Armata, if it’s in the iron, then prototypes 1-2 pieces. Until they roll them to the mind a lot of time will pass.
  • nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 19 June 2013 07: 17
    +5
    Quote: Ah1LL
    Firstly, we have much more tanks than all of Europe combined! And secondly, why do we need to buy a T90 (obsolete tank) !? Ours are waiting for Armata! And in the third we cover the distant frontier

    It is necessary to live up to the "Armata". And the extra T-90s at home will not prevent. Better a good tit in hand than a distant crane.
  • xirurg.net
    xirurg.net 19 June 2013 07: 24
    -2
    Quote: Edward72
    Well done Azerbaijanis, if you fuck the queen. They do not spare money for defense. It would be if Russia bought the pace at such a pace.

    With us, I think it will be more fun with purchases, and most importantly with the training of soldiers and officers. Pessimism is inappropriate!
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 07: 58
      +2
      Good morning surgeon. There are no problems with training, the equipment is chasing the tail and the mane along the ranges, with shooting the same way - everything is in a beam. the fur of the water we have are all contract soldiers, tank commanders are mostly officers.
  • valokordin
    valokordin 19 June 2013 07: 24
    +5
    Quote: nikolas 83
    Firstly, we have much more tanks than all of Europe combined! And secondly, why do we need to buy a T90 (obsolete tank) !? Ours are waiting for Armata! And in the third we cover the distant frontier

    As for the number of tanks in Russia, compared to NATO, the number of tanks is 2 times larger and there is no need to downplay their capabilities.
    1. Truffoff
      Truffoff 19 June 2013 07: 30
      +1
      In the Russian army, the most modern tank is the T-90. In total, the armed forces have about 500 of these MBTs in versions T-90A and T-90AK. At the same time, the Russian army has about 4500 thousand T-80 tanks of various modifications that are undergoing major repairs (in 2010). Also in the troops and storage bases are about 12 T-500 tanks of various modifications.

      That is, the bulk is still the T-72.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 19 June 2013 07: 36
        +1
        [quote = Truffoff]





        Modern Ground Forces are armed with tank units, the main battle tanks T-72, T-80 and T-90. Currently, the tank forces of the Russian Armed Forces of the Russian Armed Forces outnumber the US tank forces, the tank fleet of which has about 6 M250 Abrams tanks. The Russian Federation is armed with 1 tanks, it is planned to have no more than 20 in the future, 000% of them will be T-2000
        In 2010-2011, a decision was made to stop the procurement of T-90, BTR-90, BTR-80, BMD-4, BMP-3 and any other domestic armored vehicles for a period of 5 years, until the creation of the Armata platform.
        1. Truffoff
          Truffoff 19 June 2013 07: 43
          +1
          Quote: Milafon
          have no more than 2000 in the future

          And China is wondering how much? No aircraft, no helicopters, no drones. Tanks will even reduce T-72, what are they going to defend themselves in general?
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 19 June 2013 07: 57
            +4
            Quote: Truffoff
            And China is wondering how much?

            NATO countries - 11 thousand
            China - 7,1 thousand
            North Korea - 3,5 thousand
            South Korea - 2,4 thousand
            India - 3,5 thousand
            So for now number we have time to increase quality.
            That is exactly what "Armata" should prove.
            1. Truffoff
              Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 04
              -1
              Quote: Milafon
              planned to have no more than 2000 in the future

              China has 7000, we will have 2000, and another 11.
              Well done our!
              SESheAshki's heroes work well.
              1. MilaPhone
                MilaPhone 19 June 2013 08: 21
                +1
                If you confront China, then in my opinion it is necessary to take Quality.
                Because Number is their thing! smile
                1. Truffoff
                  Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 29
                  -1
                  Quote: Milafon
                  If you confront China, then in my opinion it is necessary to take Quality.

                  We cannot resist conventional weapons.
                  And while we have not started selling them nuclear weapons, we will have a chance.
                  140 million people - they have 1,5 billion 1 in 10.
                2. mark1
                  mark1 19 June 2013 08: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: Milafon
                  If you confront China, then in my opinion it is necessary to take Quality.

                  This is probably like a fight of a heavy weight boxer with an intellectual in glasses, an intellectual hook from the right, and he responded with intelligence ...
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 19 June 2013 08: 17
            +3
            Quote: Truffoff
            Quote: Milafon
            have no more than 2000 in the future

            And China is wondering how much? No aircraft, no helicopters, no drones. Tanks will even reduce T-72, what are they going to defend themselves in general?

            Psychics will be put along the border and they will, by the power of thought, deploy missiles, tanks and planes back.
            1. MilaPhone
              MilaPhone 19 June 2013 14: 48
              +3
              Quote: mark1
              This is probably like a fight of a heavy weight boxer with an intellectual in glasses, an intellectual hook from the right, and he responded with intelligence ...

              No, it’s something like this:
  • nokki
    nokki 19 June 2013 07: 32
    +5
    In general, all these sales of practically the latest technology to potential opponents remind me of extracting "honey" from a wasp's nest with a stick. As a child, I faced this: my whole muzzle is swollen and my ass is on fire! Some, to put it mildly, ill-conceived "business"!
    1. Truffoff
      Truffoff 19 June 2013 07: 38
      -5
      Quote: nokki
      Some, to put it mildly, ill-conceived "business"!

      Either fools or traitors.
      Someone says that this is a new American plan for the destruction of Russia:
      "Buying up all the good things that Russia produces at the root."
      1. Denis
        Denis 19 June 2013 07: 45
        +5
        Quote: Truffoff
        Someone says that this is a new American plan for the destruction of Russia:
        "Buying up all the good things that Russia produces at the root."
        And what is the destruction?
        Design thought and industry are developing, jobs are being created
        Is it worse for us?
        1. Truffoff
          Truffoff 19 June 2013 07: 50
          -4
          Quote: Denis
          And what is the destruction?

          Ours produce sooo long, what they do, at the cost of incredible efforts, will be exported. The machine is working.
          Pay attention to who buys - Iraq, Azerbaijan. - Occupied by Amrecans.
          And, as always, only AK-47, Su-27, T-72 will remain.
          Information flashed that the T-72 is still being reduced.
          1. kotdavin4i
            kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 08: 07
            +4
            Azerbaijan - OCCUPIED BY AMERICANS ???? My dear, what have you been smoking in the morning ?? Or do you, like some American citizens, think that the State of Georgia and Georgia are the same thing ???
            1. Truffoff
              Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 19
              -5
              Quote: kotdavin4i
              Azerbaijan - OCCUPIED BY AMERICANS

              Russia is also occupied by the Americans.
              Surprised ?? Comrades Fedorov and Starikov will explain everything to you in detail.
        2. Bort radist
          Bort radist 19 June 2013 08: 00
          +1
          Quote: Denis
          Design thought and industry are developing, jobs are being created
          Is it worse for us?

          Denis, I totally agree. If our equipment is not taken, it is bad, if they consider the best, even worse. What production to develop? Everyone remembers Joseph Vissarionovich. If now, from tomorrow, to put everyone on "bread and water" and make them live in enterprises working 18 hours for defense for free. Everyone will rejoice of course. Throw a wedge everywhere. Trade. To develop production and live in the present day, and not hope for a bright future.
          1. Truffoff
            Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 09
            -4
            Quote: Bort Radist
            What production to develop?

            The state has 500 billion dollars in a small egg, melting like ice cream. At 4 billion a year.
            Plus half this amount per year, all sorts of e ... projects are being built.
            There is a lot of money in the country.
            There is enough oil for another 20 years.
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 08: 03
      +3
      Good morning Genadiy, and since when is Azerbaijan-has Russia become a potential adversary ??? Here the participant of the Lopatov site thinks so too ... however, AZERBAIJAN DOES NOT DO ANY ACTION AGAINST RUSSIA. Economic ties are strengthening every year, we buy weapons from you, we sell natural gas to you at fairly low prices.
      1. nokki
        nokki 19 June 2013 09: 41
        +4
        One must look at things realistically. Here is a quote:

        "June 13, 2013, 16:04 [" Argumenty.ru ", Alexander Grigoriev]
        Tel Aviv bought from Baku 4 abandoned and 4 operating military airfields with a total area of ​​74000 sq. km At the same time, neither Israel nor Azerbaijan disclose the terms and amount of the transaction ...
        ... relations between Baku and Tel Aviv are only getting stronger, although they are not brought up for open discussion. The well-known website WikiLeaks published a memo from the deputy head of the US Embassy in Baku D. Lu to the US State Department, which says that I. Aliyev described Azerbaijan's relations with Israel as an iceberg, nine-tenths of which is under the surface of the water. Israel's purchase of airfields fits well with this scheme ... "

        The United States and Israel are undoubtedly our potential adversaries. So ... Continuing the logical chain is not difficult!

        In addition, Azerbaijan has never refused to return Karabakh by military means. It follows from this that in the event of the outbreak of hostilities against Armenia, the Russian troops stationed in this republic will automatically fall under attack. What's so obscure?

        Do you think the Gabala story is a friendly gesture towards Russia? And the desire to help some people bomb Iran (practically, our only ally in the fight against extremists in Syria) in the Stone Age is waving the palm branch of the world?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 June 2013 10: 02
          0
          Quote: nokki
          Tel Aviv bought from Baku 4 abandoned and 4 operating military airfields with a total area of ​​74000 square meters. km At the same time, neither Israel nor Azerbaijan disclose the terms and amount of the transaction.

          stupid things !!
          Quote: nokki
          The US State Department, which states that I. Aliyev described Azerbaijan’s relations with Israel as an iceberg, nine-tenths of which is below the surface of the water.

          Aliyev said this in the media and not in private conversation!))))
          Quote: nokki
          In addition, Azerbaijan has never refused to return Karabakh by military means. It follows from this that in the event of the outbreak of hostilities against Armenia, the Russian troops stationed in this republic will automatically fall under attack. What's so obscure?

          We will liberate the occupied territories with Armenia ??
          Quote: nokki
          Do you think the Gabala story is a friendly gesture towards Russia?
          Of course!!
          Here in detail!
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 19 June 2013 10: 20
          +6
          Quote: nokki
          Do you think the Gabala story is a friendly gesture towards Russia?

          Sorry, but what you personally do not like this problem. A new, more modern and cheaper radar was built in Armavir and put on duty. There is no need to ask and be obligated to anyone. Personally, it pleases me. And most importantly, now no one owes anything to anyone. This is not such a big loss along with similar losses in Ukraine and the Baltic states. Moreover, everything has already been refunded.
          1. 416sd
            416sd 19 June 2013 13: 52
            -1
            Gabala - scrap metal. This is a bluff of the Russian Federation and Azerbaijan against the background of events in Syria. If you really needed Gabala, the Russian Federation would have found 101 ways to keep it and 101 ways to give Azerbaijan the brains. You don't need her. Do not judge only by the newspapers.

            The time will come and in the textbooks on diplomacy in the section on misleading and disorientation operations they will write about this story ...
  • buga1979
    buga1979 19 June 2013 07: 47
    +2
    Well, you, as Armata children in development, will do everything according to plan and stick together
  • Forward
    Forward 19 June 2013 08: 07
    +2
    Azerbaijan is in a state of permanent war with Armenia. It is not surprising that he is actively purchasing new armored vehicles and a number of other weapons. As for the relations between Armenia and Russia on this issue, sorry sorry - Business is business!
  • P-15
    P-15 19 June 2013 08: 14
    +4
    Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
    The main thing is that we should not end up in the role of this queen, or rather our base in Armenia
    And what does the Russian 102nd base have to do with it? We don’t need too much laughing
    1. 416sd
      416sd 19 June 2013 08: 28
      +8
      About a year ago, all ensigns - citizens of Armenia - were removed from the Russian 102nd base. The reason was that on weekends we went to Georgia and they told everyone drunk ... In addition, as soon as Shoigu arrived, the security was strengthened around the perimeter of the base. In addition, the Russians refused to disperse the base throughout Armenia, as the Armenians suggested (guess what they suggested). Reliable information, our ears are long. + In February, the base commander was promoted. He was specially called to Moscow for this.

      Until 2014, there will definitely be no war. And then it will not be either. Because the Russian Federation is gradually realizing that Armenia will no longer give it anything. But Azerbaijan can. Russia will not abandon the Armenians. But Russia does not want to turn relations with Azerbaijan into what was happening in relations with Georgians. Moreover, we are Russians and do not offend that much - Gabala garbage, she shit. And our Russian gas and oil are not competitors - volumes are incomparable. So remember my words - after 5 years, the Karabakh issue will be resolved, the troops of the Russian Federation, Turkey and Kazakhstan will enter there, Karabakh will be given an autonomy-bought autonomy within Azerbaijan with the police, flag and other bells and whistles for pride, everyone will be satisfied, most importantly Russia. Without Russia, the Karabakh issue is unresolved. Default. Further, Azerbaijan will open the border with Armenia and investments and business will go, Azerbaijani stalls in Yerevan, Armenian Suzanne on the streets of Baku, etc. etc.

      By military means - yes, victory can be achieved. To defeat the enemy, etc. But this will not solve the Karabakh issue. Neither we nor the Armenians will fly away from this planet and from this region. We'll have to somehow live together, as before.
      1. GP
        GP 19 June 2013 09: 14
        +2
        Quote: 416sd
        Karabakh will be given organically-bought autonomy within Azerbaijan with the police, flag and other bells and whistles for pride, everyone will be satisfied, most importantly Russia. Without Russia, the Karabakh issue is unresolved. Default. Further, Azerbaijan will open the border with Armenia and investments and business will go, Azerbaijani stalls in Yerevan, Armenian Suzanne on the streets of Baku, etc. etc.

        By military means - yes, victory can be achieved. To defeat the enemy, etc. But this will not solve the Karabakh issue. Neither we nor the Armenians will fly away from this planet and from this region. We'll have to somehow live together, as before.


        Your words, yes to God in ears. The farther from the borders of Russia the points of tension, the better.
        Organ-ordered autonomy delivered the most.
        1. 416sd
          416sd 19 June 2013 09: 29
          +4
          And the world will only be the beginning. Because a whole generation of hatred has grown in both countries, the generation of Armenians who have not seen the eyes of a living Azerbaijani and the generation of Azerbaijanis who have not seen the eyes of a living Armenian. But only after that it is still just beginning. The peace treaty will be just the beginning.

          I do not believe in the genetic incompatibility of these peoples. No willows into genetic incompatibility of any peoples at all. This is fascism. You just need to find a world that will suit all parties to the conflict, NOT ALL SUPERPOWER. Satisfying all parties to the conflict is possible, but satisfying ALL SUPERPOWER is impossible. Because the conflict is in the zone of one superpower, i.e. OTHER SUPERPOWER is by default interested in maintaining conflict. Therefore, I am for a world that will satisfy all parties while satisfying the interests of the MOST CLOSE AND IMPORTANT superpower for us. Such a world is possible.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 June 2013 10: 03
            +2
            Quote: 416sd
            I do not believe in the genetic incompatibility of these peoples. No willows into genetic incompatibility of any peoples at all. This is fascism.

            I fully support!
      2. fisherman
        fisherman 20 June 2013 05: 34
        0
        yes ...

        in order to achieve lasting peace and tranquility everyone will have to move from smart decisions to wise
    2. Constantine
      Constantine 19 June 2013 08: 51
      0
      Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, which, with any revanchist actions on the part of Azerbaijan, can calmly turn its army into the Georgian;)

      In general, there is a sense in deliveries. Thus, it is possible that Azerbaijan is smoothly turning from the West towards Russia, with all kinds of positive variations in the consequences. )
  • KononAV
    KononAV 19 June 2013 08: 16
    0
    Not enough spirit to start a war in Karabakh again. And if it smells, who will Russia be in this war?
    1. Forward
      Forward 19 June 2013 08: 36
      -2
      I can say with confidence that everything has already been decided on this issue. In the event of hostilities, Russia will introduce peacekeeping units, of course, with UN approval. Further, the issue will be resolved through diplomatic ways.
  • 416sd
    416sd 19 June 2013 08: 19
    +4
    Another point is interesting here, it is important: along with tanks and artillery, all the vehicles necessary for their maintenance are also purchased. And the T-90S will be delivered in the most complete serial configuration. It includes the latest modification of the “Blind” optoelectronic suppression system, air conditioning and automatic target tracking. At the same time, the contract provides an option for another 94 such tanks.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 June 2013 08: 47
      +3
      Quote: 416sd
      Another point is interesting here, it is important: along with tanks and artillery, all the vehicles necessary for their maintenance are also purchased.

      And IMR-3M-mine fields of the enemy tryndets and bury all the trenches)))
  • 416sd
    416sd 19 June 2013 08: 19
    +1
    + according to my information, a year ago two incomplete platoons of officers were trained in the Russian Federation. Prepared to receive these parties.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 19 June 2013 08: 23
    +5
    Ready for the cons laughing !!!
    Personally, I think that not everyone in our government is stupid and knows what they’re doing, they decided to sell this equipment to Azerbaijan, as well as the SU-35 to China, which means it is necessary, but how much (and how much better than export) this equipment came to they just took us into service and told everything.
    1. Truffoff
      Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 34
      -6
      Quote: avant-garde
      I personally think that in our government not everyone is stupid and they know what they are doing

      Not stupid ??? Worse !!
      Quote:
      "By the time of the collapse of the USSR in 1991, the naval aviation of the Soviet Navy numbered 1702 aircraft, including:
      - 372 long-range bombers equipped with anti-ship cruise missiles;
      - 966 tactical combat aircraft;
      - 455 helicopters.

      And now, as a result of the "reforms" in the Navy, about 25 Il-38 aircraft and 15 Tu-142 aircraft remained in the Northern and Pacific fleets. The Baltic Fleet has lost its combat aviation altogether. "

      http://army-news.ru/2013/06/vernite-krylya-flotu-potencial-morskoj-aviacii-est-c

      hem-usilit /
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 19 June 2013 08: 44
        +2
        I'm talking about modern Russia, and not about the times of the "tagged" American and EBN!
        1. Truffoff
          Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 49
          -1
          Quote: avant-garde
          I'm talking about modern Russia, and not about the times of the "tagged" American and EBN!

          What's the difference?
          Are fools wiser? There are less traitors?
          Have amers run out of money?
          Serdyukov planted?
          Generals will not come up with how Shoigu nae..at?
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 19 June 2013 08: 58
            +2
            Quote: Truffoff
            What's the difference?

            Great !!! Research institutes are reviving, equipment poorly arriving poorly in the troops, large-scale exercises are slowly reviving. And at the expense of the generals, I’ll say that I personally attended a meeting in St. Petersburg at the military academy of communications and heard the general deliver all those who disrupt the delivery of new types of communications to our troops !!!
            1. Truffoff
              Truffoff 19 June 2013 09: 04
              -1
              Quote: avant-garde
              Peter at the Military Academy of Communications and heard the general deliver all those who disrupt delivery

              This is their job. And stealing is their hobby. laughing
    2. Edward72
      Edward72 19 June 2013 08: 43
      +2
      Vanguard, from me +, just some comrades have pink curtains on the windows
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 19 June 2013 09: 44
        +3
        And not only on the windows. There is a line when you know and see, and there is a line when this knowledge begins to melt the brain, as a result of which the carrier of knowledge begins to "sharpen" for no reason. They are evangelists. You can't prove anything to them because in this case, the authority of truth is ranked lower than the truth of authority. Classic slave repeater.
  • kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 19 June 2013 08: 30
    +2
    By the way, they forgot to indicate what is the same:
    "Azerbaijan buys Russian ACS 2S31" Vienna ", BMPT" Terminator "and new helicopters

    According to information received by blogger Alexei Khlopotov, Azerbaijan, in addition to the T-90SA, TOS-1A "Solntsepёk" tanks, the "Msta-S" self-propelled guns and the BMP-3, are also purchased with 2S31 "Vena" self-propelled guns and the "Terminator" BMPT fire support vehicles , as well as combat helicopters. It is also noted that the list of purchased weapons is not limited to the above-listed samples, there are other samples of military equipment purchased by Azerbaijan from Russia. "
  • 416sd
    416sd 19 June 2013 08: 38
    0
    And here is how the Armenian press reacts (website of Igor Muradyan):
    http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/comments/view/30873

    A Defense Ministry source told the Russian Vedomosti that Russia would supply Azerbaijan with military equipment worth about $ 1 billion. These are modern tanks and Russian armored vehicles.
    For a long time, Russia has been for Azerbaijan one of the stable and main suppliers of weapons. Russia is a strategic partner of Armenia and a member of the CSTO, as is Armenia. CSTO is a military-political alliance whose purpose is to protect participating countries from external aggression.
    Azerbaijan constantly threatens Armenia with external aggression. Russia constantly supplies weapons to Azerbaijan. In Armenia, almost everyone is silent about this fact, except for a few media, political scientists, experts and politicians.
    Moreover, there are Armenian apologists for Russian-Azerbaijani military-technical cooperation who justified the silence - they say it’s not bad that Russia supplies weapons to Azerbaijan, because this means that Russia will control these weapons and will not allow them to be used against Armenia.
    At the same time, Russia is carrying out a gas expansion in relation to Armenia, raising prices, then increasing requirements and taking the last Armenian stake in ArmRosgazprom.
    In public and political circles, this situation justifiably provokes indignation, which leads to the accusation of lies by the Armenian authorities. For the authorities of independent Armenia, the most accurate definition at all times has been and remains lies and insincerity.
    However, the basis and nature of relations between Russia and Armenia is such that the political will of the authorities alone is not enough, the public and political forces can play a huge role. But what are they doing? They are waiting for the authorities to fail in relations with Russia? If they fail and are forced to pay Russia dearly for their “instability,” then the main political forces can take advantage of force majeure circumstances and come to power. Or to say that they did not prevent Russia from strengthening its position in Armenia and protecting its interests, therefore, let Russia help them. The result is a win-win game, as a result of which everyone but Armenia will win.
    Another argument of apologists for Russian-Azerbaijani military-technical cooperation: in return for this economic and political expansion, Russia ensures the security of Armenia, in addition, it also supplies weapons to Armenia at low prices. Actually, this is demagogy from a series of myths, since the cheap equipment supplied to Armenia is absolutely not equivalent to the modern weapons that Russia supplies to Azerbaijan and for which Russia is asking Armenia for a real market price. And the Armenian authorities do not make this public, with the tacit support of the so-called main political forces. - See more at: http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/comments/view/30873#sthash.nmXVGeHY.dpuf
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 June 2013 09: 18
      0
      Quote: 416sd
      And here is how the Armenian press reacts

      Well, two days ago, David cited completely different articles from the wax chamber, that they came up with all this in the bowels of the editorial office of the APA website))))
      True, as the first pictures appeared, these articles instantly self-destructed)))
      1. 416sd
        416sd 19 June 2013 09: 30
        +2
        Yes, no, last summer I spoke with the Russian Deputy Minister of Defense Antonov about the T-90 and the Terminators - he personally confirmed. What a deal will be despite Gabala. This incidentally was the peak of tension in Gabala.
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 19 June 2013 08: 43
    +2
    On the one hand, I am glad that we are selling weapons, and on the other, it is alarming: with whom will this weapon be fought?
    1. Truffoff
      Truffoff 19 June 2013 08: 55
      -3
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      On the one hand, I am glad that we are selling weapons, and on the other, it is alarming: with whom will this weapon be fought?

      Our generals absolutely do not care where it will fight.
      The question is, "did I give that one?" not about them.
      Everyone is given.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 19 June 2013 09: 16
        +2
        Quote: Truffoff
        The question is, "did I give that one?" not about them.

        You are in shock today)))))))))))))))))))) +++
  • My address
    My address 19 June 2013 09: 18
    +1
    I easily believe that this is not a duck. Contracts since 2011. In LADIES and not such quirks took place during the presidency. And in what way does he remind me of the "dearly beloved" Mikhuil Gorbachev?
  • Vtel
    Vtel 19 June 2013 09: 38
    -1
    It is surprising where so much money for such purchases comes from, they see corrupt officials liquidated as a class.
  • P-15
    P-15 19 June 2013 09: 39
    +1
    Quote: AK-47
    And against whom?
    Buying so many weapons has some purpose.

    Yes, there are Karabakh donkeys in whom the borzometer rolls over the top, we want to bring them to life. As the saying goes, by the horns and into the stall. What ??? Any objections ??
  • ocvbc
    ocvbc 19 June 2013 11: 53
    0
    The people in the network leaked the entire database about us all! Now you can watch any information about everyone who interests you! Use until you close! Here's the link - clck.ru/8hBBA
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm 19 June 2013 12: 12
    +2
    In this situation, you can draw an analogy with the policies of the United States and NATO countries that supply large quantities of weapons to antagonists - Egypt and Israel, Greece and Turkey: the dependence of these countries on one supplier allows the United States and the West to contain conflicts between their customers, says the expert of the Center for Strategy Analysis and technologies Konstantin Makienko.

    Correctly !!!

    Russia sells arms to both Armenia and Azerbaijan, as is understood? What is the difference between Russian policy and US policy in this situation?

    No offense, but so wrong. If you do this to the Armenians, it’s hard to trust you.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 June 2013 12: 51
      +4
      Quote: dc120mm
      Egypt and Israel, Greece and Turkey

      this is the author’s mistake from ignorance!
      Weapons are sold to Egypt due to the fact that Egypt has signed the Kempdevidsky agreement!
      And Greece and Turkey are members of NATO and not be at war among themselves !!
    2. GP
      GP 19 June 2013 13: 45
      +1
      Quote: dc120mm
      Russia sells arms to both Armenia and Azerbaijan, as is understood?


      Everything is simple. They want to have good, high-quality weapons, if they cannot buy from us, they will buy from others, obviously. Moreover, it is well known; troops do not need retraining.
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 19 June 2013 20: 09
      +2
      Quote: dc120mm
      Russia sells arms to both Armenia and Azerbaijan, as is understood? What is the difference between Russian policy and US policy in this situation?


      here before comparing Russian politics and US politics, learn
      1. Write without errors
      2. Do not compare, at least it is not correct
      3. Write the name of my country with a capital letter.
      1. Arminian power
        Arminian power 5 October 2013 22: 22
        0
        And you better tick your kinsmen
        Quote: Apollon
        . write without errors
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 19 June 2013 14: 42
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    Be sure to keep in mind. Laughs the one who laughs last.


    I think it’s not worth paying attention to such people! They just soothe themselves in this way, but in fact they are very afraid hi
  • zollstab
    zollstab 19 June 2013 15: 18
    +3
    xasharat share the ability to shine under the state flags of different countries !!!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 19 June 2013 20: 12
      +3
      Quote: zollstab
      share the ability to shine under the state flags of different countries !!!


      Why didn’t the Russian flag please you ?!
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 19 June 2013 15: 28
    0
    In Baku, during the military parade dedicated to the Day of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan 26 on June 2013, a new MLRS Kasirga T-300 will be presented.

    The Azerbaijani armed forces purchased several similar complexes from the Turkish company Roketsan. The contract with Roketsan provides for the supply of T-300 Kasirga and 300 mm T-122 Sakarya multiple rocket launchers to Azerbaijan on the KAMAZ-122 chassis. About this writes the publication Kavkaz Defense.

    MLRS Kasirga T-300 will be the most powerful system in the region, as it has the largest caliber of shells, even compared to the MLRS Smerch.

    Kasirga multiple launch rocket launcher system (MLRS) is designed to strike at the most important targets located in the depths of the enemy’s defense, including military bases, troop concentrations, missile launchers, airports and transport hubs, administrative and industrial centers.


    300-mm multiple launch rocket systems T-300 Kasirga


    122 mm T-122 Sakarya on the KAMAZ-63502 chassis

    A battery salvo of 6-9 launchers provides for the destruction of the 24-36 of the most powerful high-explosive fragmentation warheads, which ensures guaranteed destruction of manpower in a circle with a radius of a kilometer.

    Kasirga unguided missile is equipped with a solid propellant single-mode engine and has:
    maximum flight speed up to 4.2M
    maximum trajectory height - 30km
    minimum firing range 20-30km
    maximum - up to 100km
    maximum flight time - 170с
    rounded probable deviation is about 1% of range

    Kasirga missile has a weight - 524kg, warhead weight - 150kg. In flight, the projectile is stabilized by firmly bonded blades of the stabilizer block, mounted at an angle to the longitudinal axis of the rocket to provide rotational motion at a given speed.

    Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057052048124051050048054050.html
    1. Arminian power
      Arminian power 5 October 2013 22: 24
      0
      Well, what will UTB give you ????????????????????????????
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  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 19 June 2013 18: 39
    +2
    I read the article and comments .. (I confess the meaning is not all clear ..) It is not for nothing that Azerbaijan began to massively buy our weapons .. and I think many (former) should do the same .. There is a wave of artificial unrest of civil wars, allegedly "all against all "..Kyrgyzstan has been raging for a long time .. After Syria (I hope Assad will fight back), our former elite will flare up the armies so for the sake of appearance. (then do not be offended if slaughter begins in you) Russia cooperation is not just in words and allegedly offered joint exercises .. There is not much time left .. The West is clearly preparing another byaka of Russia (after G-8, a wolf and seven kids))))).
  • zollstab
    zollstab 19 June 2013 19: 22
    +1
    A person should be a strong spirit, not a weapon. When I am threatened to hang ... then I do not promise to feed a badass pilaf !!
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 19 June 2013 20: 00
    +1
    I understood from the title that there will be exactly two topics in the comments:
    1. Armenian-Azerbaijani;
    2. Azerbaijani-Russian.
    And all will rest in mutual accusations.
    Well, as without it. All "patriots" will run like bulls on a red rag, that the Azerbaijanis (the heroes of the article), that the Armenians, well, and where without the Russians (here, without irony, quite recently we connected all the peoples of the USSR with a common cause and idea) - and here there are arguments - from all sides.
    I was interested in the article on the equipment and combat effectiveness of the Azerbaijani army. They always scratch their heads about Armenia and "Persia". And their concerns are clear to everyone. I envy the Azerbaijanis how they grow the power of their army. We would care so much about the army.
    No one is trying to find the roots of hatred, no one is trying to tear them out. Even the respected Yarbai (always with balanced comments) is off the hook when he hears only the word Armenian. The tragedy of the conflict between Armenians and Azerbaijanis does not last from the last century, but much earlier. And it will continue for a long time (regardless of military successes and whose Karabakh will be). Until the people respected from both sides can agree, find a compromise. Alas, so far only these are wishes. Not soon it will happen.
    Again, everything rests on the national question. The Communists could not solve it. It will be harder for us.
    I used to think that the main problem of our time is national relations. It turns out not. For me, the second most important. Yesterday I saw a little Mamonov's program about pido ----- x. In France, a law was passed allowing them to adopt children. They want to bring up children (!). The French protesters, having learned that they were being filmed by correspondents from Russia, chanted: "Russia, help!" But we are all Russians for them - Russians and Azerbaijanis, Tatars and Kazakhs, Armenians and Ukrainians, Orthodox and Muslims, Buddhists and atheists ... They know that we are one, but we?
  • Yurban
    Yurban 19 June 2013 20: 19
    +1
    Yes, I looked through your correspondence, gentlemen, comrades, and somehow I somehow, well, it wasn’t quite pleasant from your sarcastic stilettos to each other, it carries hatred from some, not from all of course, probably I mistakenly go to this page as then looked in, a little shitty.

    Yes, do not pay attention to the German flag, I generally took the USSR flag, as I was born on the territory of Russia in Siberia, lived in different regions, but it was somehow simpler with us. 1969 by 1980 lived in the Caucasus. The Americans and Europedics did a good job.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 19 June 2013 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: Yurban
      Yes, I looked through your correspondence, gentlemen, comrades, and somehow I somehow, well, it wasn’t quite pleasant from your sarcastic stilettos to each other, it carries hatred from some, not from all of course, probably I mistakenly go to this page as then looked in, a little shitty.

      Yes, do not pay attention to the German flag, I generally took the USSR flag, as I was born on the territory of Russia in Siberia, lived in different regions, but it was somehow simpler with us. 1969 by 1980 lived in the Caucasus. The Americans and Europedics did a good job.


      for a well-verified and informative commentary plus to you from me and by rating too +.
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 19 June 2013 20: 56
      +3
      [quote = Yurban] Yes, I looked through your correspondence, gentlemen, comrades, and somehow I somehow, well, it wasn’t quite pleasant from your sarcastic stilettos to each other, it bears hatred from some, not from all of course, probably I’m on this the page mistakenly somehow looked, shitty.
      Here the FORUM is sorry .. It happens .. Here the main thing is to love the homeland !! (most of them are here) and the site was created for this !! and the rest is husk .. And the liberals have no place here .. Do not need this nagging here .. sorry for the truth ..
  • Alexander D.
    Alexander D. 19 June 2013 21: 09
    +1
    Several years ago, there was a scandal from the Russian media that Ukraine was selling weapons to both Armenia and Azerbaijan at the same time, and thereby contributing to the growth of tension in the region. How many screams were that it was immoral and inhumane from the side of the corrupt Ukrainian government, which was ready to sell weapons to anyone for a penny. Well, where is the principle of the RF government regarding potential enemies of its allies and CSTO members ?! And let someone after that prove to me that the CSTO is an international regional organization that deals with a wide range of security problems.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 19 June 2013 22: 22
      -1
      Quote: Alexander D.
      Ukraine sells weapons at the same time




      Well, they proved that the letter of the chief of intelligence of Ukraine-deso ..... Armenia, moreover, can only buy only wooden butts for AKM ..... there are no fools. To lose such a partner as Azerbaijan ....
      but about the CSTO, I agree !!!!
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 June 2013 23: 42
      +3
      Quote: Alexander D.
      . Well, where is the principle of the RF government regarding potential enemies of its allies and CSTO members ?! And let someone after that prove to me that the CSTO is an international regional organization that deals with a wide range of security problems.

      CSTO is bullshit on paper.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 19 June 2013 21: 53
    +2
    By the way GUYS .... and where are our Armenian neighbors and comrades in the Military Review winked WHY they are not in the discussion today .. I would really like to listen to their reasoning ... probably or again in Armenia Gazprom turned off the light .. or the same. The stoic is afraid that I will remind again about the can of cognac or ..... request I would like you to continue ....))))
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 19 June 2013 22: 08
      +2
      Quote: smersh70
      By the way GUYS .... and where are our Armenian neighbors and comrades in the Military Review WHY they are not in the discussions today.


      Believe me, dear, I would not like sracha on the forum.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 19 June 2013 22: 31
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        I would not like sracha on the forum.



        Yes, and no one wants it !!! I just would like to hear their opinion ....
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 June 2013 23: 17
          +1
          Quote: smersh70
          and no one wants him !!! I just would like to hear their opinion ...

          Don't want sracha?)))))))))))))))
          good joke))))))))))
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 20 June 2013 05: 21
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            Don't want sracha?)))))))))))))))

            Do you really want to? NECESSARY !!!! wassat
  • Druid
    Druid 20 June 2013 02: 10
    +2
    I can’t understand why everyone is dissatisfied with the fact that Azerbaijan bought weapons from Russia, and not from Turkey, for example? ...
    By the fact that Russia, through such contracts, maintains the tank industry, which is considered to be bent in the UK, is going through hard times in Germany, in the crisis in the States and France? At least read this site’s news? - In the United States, contrary to the wishes of the military, they are purchasing Abrams so that they simply do not lose tank construction. What is wrong with the fact that in several cities and regions of Russia people received salaries and were not left without work?
    Azerbaijan has funds and there are goals, if he needs weapons he will buy it and if not in Russia, he will acquire it in other countries, okay, Russian drones are drones, but thanks to the wise guys, how many hundreds of millions that went to the same Israel were lost.
    Read articles on a site about a contract between Ukrainians and Iraq on armored personnel carriers and how much work was given to fulfill the order? - But no one remembered what kind of blood the Indian contract for tanks was given, and where would Russian tank building be without this contract? ...
    A couple of parrots' butts slipped into ordinary nationalism, well, let's speculate, those Azerbaijanis who are not from Dagestan will return to themselves. And the idea to circle all autonomies on the map of Russia and think about where to return to them, if asked from Siberia in general, has never been a bad head, since the ideas of "international control over reserves of universal significance" or from the subjects of the Federation in the European part of the Russian Federation such as Komi, Chuvashia , Mordovia, etc. etc.?
    For objective reasons, the Russians live in Azerbaijan and have always lived normally, it’s clear that people from Armenia are fleeing from dependents without Armenian chauvinism because of economic problems, I think it’s not worth mentioning Georgia, those who simply have nowhere to go have not left.
    Well, there will be a war in Karabakh, well, the Armenian troops will withdraw to their borders. Russia is neither warm nor hot, just like subsidized in Soviet times, Armenia will continue to be with Russia and hang on its neck as a dependent. And I will not be surprised if Russia "gives" Karabakh to Azerbaijan, strengthening the position of its current government, because if the government changes there, then a pro-Western opposition will come, and rich Azerbaijan is not poor Georgia.
  • zollstab
    zollstab 21 June 2013 10: 43
    0
    From numerous examples of History, it is clear that empires and superpowers will inevitably collapse, and none of them have been saved by the rattling of arms and muscle volume. Clear examples of the US invasion of other countries and regions, however, they constantly hang on the brink of supercrisis, like a drop on the tip .. The problem of the country faced with the post-imperial syndrome is that it is easy to rekindle the feeling of nostalgia for a lost empire. Calls for its restoration in practice are not realizable. To say: “the restoration of an empire is a blessing for the people” is not difficult. This slogan is doomed to popularity. But the reality is that it is impossible to revive an empire.
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 21 June 2013 12: 44
      0
      You probably don't quite catch some trends) Take, for example, Russia, which in defensive wars first shrunk, and then became larger than before shrinkage. The last time we began to shrink, the "Russian Empire", at that time referred to as the USSR, was from Berlin to the Pacific, which as a hint that the next time, the Russian Empire will be from the Atlantic to the Pacific. This is a trend and a pattern that, sooner or later, works. It's all about the approach.

      Russia was never a colonial empire, but gave equal rights to those who became part of it. Therefore, I would not equate all empires with one standard and scenario. There are fundamental differences between our empire and their empires. That is why, no matter how hard they tried, Russia remained the largest country on the planet, even taking into account the fact that the empire was ruined for a while.
  • zollstab
    zollstab 21 June 2013 15: 58
    0
    I did not mean only military conflicts, but also the veiled surrender of territories. Now specifically about Russia. Not everything is so clean with Alaska, with the claim of Japan and China to neighboring territories. Agree that there is an interested circle of people who will sell EVERYTHING for money. Thus, the territory of the Russian state does not increase, but the reverse process occurs.
  • zollstab
    zollstab 21 June 2013 16: 51
    -1
    On the ability to fight ... The national composition of the Heroes of the USSR: among the awarded soldiers, the largest number are Russians (8160 people) and Ukrainians (2069). More than a hundred people awarded among Belarusians - 309, Tatars (including Kazan, Siberian, Crimean) - 161, Jews - 108, and Armenians - 106. Less than a hundred people awarded: Kazakhs - 96, Georgians - 90, Uzbeks - 69, Mordvin - 61 Less than fifty people awarded: Chuvashs - 44, Azerbaijanis - 43, Bashkirs - 39, Ossetians - 32. Less than twenty people awarded among: Mari - 18, Turkmen - 18, Lithuanians - 15, Tajiks - 14, Latvians - 13, Kyrgyz - 12, Udmurts - 10. Less than ten people awarded among: Karelians - 9, Estonians - 8, Kalmyks - 8, Kabardians - 7, Adygei s - 6, the Abkhaz - 5, Yakuts - 3, Moldovans - 2, and one count tuvinets.Legko interest in what nationality the largest percentage of per capita for the period of the Second World War.
  • zollstab
    zollstab 21 June 2013 17: 27
    0
    We look and see:
  • Nero9119
    Nero9119 24 June 2013 00: 29
    +2
    At first they would learn how to fight and manage such equipment in Azerbaijan, then they would have already bought such equipment, it’s not the cottages to build.
  • valera
    valera 25 June 2013 06: 10
    +2
    Quote: xetai9977
    What language did you write? it is NOT Azerbaijani


    And when Azerbaijan had its own written language laughing
    At first they used the Russian language, but now Turkish.
    and where is your invisible.
    1. vuqar1052
      vuqar1052 20 August 2013 11: 47
      0
      You should be more careful with culture, when the Kievan Rus was created, Azerbaijan celebrated the 18th century of its statehood. And our first writings were MICHICAL! and who is your best sings? ah Pushkin? and in what century did he live and write fairy tales about the learned cat? no, I'm not scoffing, he is certainly a nice guy. but in the 12th century Nizami Ganjavi created masterpieces of poetry that received world fame, like "Leili and Majnun" I am not talking about the philosophical works belonging to Nasimi and Fizuli. they appreciated when the Cyrillic was still not invented. so what a guy keep in mind-your nation is one of the youngest in the history of mankind. and in the Middle East what nation did not move for 5-6 thousand years, you can calmly count. Except finally Armenians. We are all at a loss where they came from. but they make up the whole story for themselves. then they bounced off Noah's ark (according to the holy scriptures, all peoples left the ark, for that and it is called the world stream :-))) then they lived in Asia Minor, then the Romans, then the first dinosaurs- surviving armag edon along with cockroaches.