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US Navy signed a long-term contract for the supply of Osprey submarines V-22

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US Navy signed a long-term contract for the supply of Osprey submarines V-22

US Department of Defense announced the conclusion of the Command aviation systems of the US Navy with the Bell / Boeing consortium of a long-term contract for the supply of V-22 Osprey submarines.


The total cost of the agreement is 4,894 billion dollars.

In accordance with the terms of the contract, the Bell / Boeing consortium should supply the 92 MV-22 PLA for the Marine Corps and 7 the CV-22 PLA for the US Air Force for a five-year period. All work under the agreement must be completed by September 2019. Cost of supply in the interests of the Air Force, Navy and MTR US in 2013 FG will be 326,699 million dollars.

The agreement also includes options to supply 23 additional hinge plans, including 22 MV-22 and one CV-22.

According to the assessment of the US Navy representative James O'Donnell (James O'Donnell), a long-term agreement will allow the Navy to save up to 1 billion dollars compared to annually concluded contracts.

The command of the aviation systems of the US Navy plans to purchase a total of 50 units. CV-22 for the Air Force, 48 MV-22 for the Navy and 360 MV-22 for the USMC.

Currently, Bell / Boeing are implementing the first long-term contract for the supply of V-22 submarines during 2008-2012 FG, which provides for the production of 174 convertiplanes: 143 units. in version MV-22 for KMP and 31 units CV-22 for USAF MTR. The contract initially included the production of X-VUMX converters V-167 Osprey with a total value of 22 billion dollars, but then 10,4 additional submarines were ordered, including 7 units. for Air Force and 5 units for KMP USA.

The possibility of concluding a third long-term contract for the supply of convertiplans to 100 (including 48 units for the Navy) is currently being discussed.

The second long-term agreement provides for the possibility of starting the delivery of the V-22 PLA to foreign customers. In April, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced plans to sell Israel’s convertoplanes. In turn, Boeing announced its interest in purchasing the Osprey V-22 PLA from the armed forces of Canada, Germany, Japan, Norway and the UK. According to Bell Helicopter, sales can be realized in 10-12 countries.

V-22 is the first multi-purpose combat aircraft, using the technology of rotating engine nacelles with a rotor. It is capable of performing both horizontal flight at high speed over a long range in an aircraft-like manner, and vertical take-off, landing and hovering, like a helicopter.
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  1. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 14 June 2013 10: 53
    +4
    I wonder if the engine fails, he will be able to plan on the wings?
    1. experienced
      experienced 14 June 2013 10: 57
      11
      You look at the photo and envy takes repeat And the numbers are astounding that the planes are riveting in the hundreds, here OSPRI is about 150 pieces. Enviously
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 14 June 2013 13: 29
        +1
        50kk apiece. With this money you can buy 5 turntables.
      2. huut
        huut 14 June 2013 15: 41
        0
        Quote: seasoned
        And the numbers are amazing that hundreds are riveted by planes


        And the national debt continues to grow, sinking the country's economy deeper and deeper, and hoping in the future to "emerge" through military action. Or they may drown, having shit on the rest.

        Envy turns out to be superficial, philistine. Experienced...

        Forgot: they are not riveted, but they intend, a big difference. Neither donkey, nor sultan (or padish, I do not remember) can reach 2019.
    2. avt
      avt 14 June 2013 11: 19
      +3
      Quote: Sleptsoff
      I wonder if the engine fails, he will be able to plan on the wings?

      Maybe, along a steep trajectory, that is, right to the bottom. laughing
    3. B_KypTke
      B_KypTke 14 June 2013 11: 22
      +5
      Vertical take-off / landing is carried out when the engine nacelles are at an angle of more than 85 degrees to the longitudinal axis of the machine. Translational flight is possible if the engine nacelles are located within 0-85 degrees. The flight "on an airplane" is carried out at a zero angle of installation of the nacelles. Osprey is designed for takeoff and landing with one engine running. VTOL is not able to perform these operations on an airplane.

      Source: http://ammokor.ucoz.ru/news/konvertoplan_vertoleto_samolet_bell_v_22_osprey_2_ch
      ast / 2012-11-07-900
    4. Siberian German
      Siberian German 14 June 2013 13: 07
      +1
      as far as I know, yes
    5. honest jew
      honest jew 14 June 2013 23: 46
      +3
      The modern mentality of the majority of Russians living in Russia is obs.iran.ie other people's achievements and the search for excuses for their failures !!!!

      Instead of admitting that the Americans were able to create a good car that flies and ask the question "why can't we?"

      only audible from all sides with slyuniavim squeals "s, ga.vno, and so on.

      Instead of adopting all the best that others have, to learn something, there isn’t the easiest way to do this from head to toe !! Or say that Jews are to blame for all Russian troubles !!!

      Na.sra.l someone in the entrance or in the stairwell, so it's to blame !!! Nas.tsa.li in the elevator, so the Jews did it !!

      Someone parked a car in a freshly planted flowerbed, so these are aliens !!!! We drew a phrase from the Great Mighty Russian language on the wall -so these are also some kind of saboteurs !!!

      And everything is quite simple, so that something changes and appears, then you yourself need to make an effort and not make a mani of heaven ....

      Why can Chinese visitors to the Kuban grow cucumbers, but not Russians? And because the Chinese want to earn money and therefore work hard, and the Russian Vanya in the Kuban got drunk and lazy and does not want to hunch his back in the field.

      Why were Russians killed in Chechnya even though there were more at that time? Because Everyone was on his own, everyone was shaking with fear, and some managed to bring an ideological base to this cause, saying, “my house is my fortress”!

      Why in Russia there is oil, gas, gold, metals, in general, the entire periodic table, but do you have to pay for utilities, as in countries where there is no gas, oil?

      Because everyone is trying to seem smart! How to become smart? To become smart, you need to call other fools !!!!

      Instead of obsi. Scold and blame others, they would take care of their country. Even start with yourself ... Go in for sports, stop drinking, start working, and not stealing from the budget .... Then Russia will rise, but not look for an excuse in the face of the Americans that "they printed dollars and live!" The question is ... what prevents Russia from printing rubles? Not enough brains and laziness ...

      And the American car is good, it’s a pity that this will not appear in Russia soon ...

      I will end my comment with the words of Saltykov Shchedrin:
    6. honest jew
      honest jew 14 June 2013 23: 49
      +2
      I will end my comment with the words of Saltykov Shchedrin:
      1. Bear52
        Bear52 15 June 2013 02: 51
        0
        Ek baked you, dear ... From one tiltrotor. I'm afraid that here your teachings will not cause mass repentance with a shower of heads.
  2. Vtel
    Vtel 14 June 2013 11: 02
    +5
    In Russia, the foundations of the structural and power scheme of a vertical take-off and landing aircraft (VTOL) were laid in the work of F.P. Kurochkin (1936) and in that very layout that is currently used in V-22 and AW609. The USSR’s weapons program for 1986-1995 included the creation of the Mi-30 convertiplane. The University of Ukhta (USTU) with the participation of the FALT MIPT and TsAGI employees recognized the importance and prospects of creating convertible plans for the Russian Federation and carried out research work "Determining the rational parameters of a new vehicle (convertiplane) for the northern regions and offshore fields." Engines of the type TV3-117VMA-SBM1 (2 pcs.) With a capacity of 2500 hp were each manufactured and well-proven. with a specific fuel efficiency of 0,205 kg / h.p. The project was named Stalker – 501- “Ulun” (polar owl). The chief designer of the project is Rudometkin A.P. The sum of the payload and fuel is taken equal to 4500 kg. The main desired project parameters in this case were as follows: fuselage length 14 m, rotor diameters 7,7 m, flight speed in airplane mode up to 500 km / h, practical range with a standard load of 14 people. and 2 pilots up to 2000 km.
    1. Manager
      Manager 14 June 2013 11: 40
      +8
      Quote: Vtel
      In Russia, the foundations of the structural and power scheme of a vertical take-off and landing airplane (VTOL) were laid in the work of F.P. Kurochkin (1936


      Kulya sense. Everything is on paper ...............
    2. KBPC50
      KBPC50 14 June 2013 12: 21
      0
      Also a good car turned out. Yes, and what to say? A lot of brains flowed into the US, that's why the Americans and techies are cool.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 14 June 2013 12: 37
        +8
        Quote: KBPC50
        Yes, and what to say? A lot of brains flowed into the US, that's why the Americans and techies are cool.


        here was the main mistake in the USSR - it was necessary to take care of people first
        Sikorsky, Seversky - and so it went - all over the ocean
  3. YARY
    YARY 14 June 2013 11: 08
    -7


    SyShyashka made a decision on direct and immediate "help" to bandits in Syria

    The United States concluded that Syrian government forces used chemical weapons to kill at least 100 people. Thus, the “red line” was crossed, and this forces Obama to provide the rebels with “direct military support,” the White House said on Thursday.

    Read more: http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20130614/210020966.html#ixzz2WAidmxSW
    Follow us: @inosmi on Twitter | InoSMI on Facebook



    Question- "Why Russia (state) does not declare a violation of international law by the aforementioned" state "and the beginning of open and all possible assistance to the legally elected government of Syria, which has been subjected to international aggression by gangster formations?
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 14 June 2013 11: 29
      20
      Dear colleague, why in the article about Osprey cram the next news about the situation in Syria? Why tell me?

      I recently noticed that there is an article about an advanced Western apparatus, clever men begin to post all kinds of news, why this is done, probably because there are no analogues in our army for the next 15 years for sure

      The delivery dates of this unit to the ILC and the US Air Force will be amazed, that’s what you need to learn, organize production, introduce new solutions and technologies, our army such a pace of deliveries and such devices will be removed!
      There is something to learn
      1. Manager
        Manager 14 June 2013 11: 43
        +1
        Quote: Rustam
        There is something to learn

        I understood one thing. We began to catch up with the United States in terms of arming everything, while they had a calm before the hurricane. Now they trampled by leaps and bounds and unfortunately we are back in Anuse. PAK FA - 2015, only the first units will go into series, with rebar not yet known. And helicopters come literally in units. And here the proverb of silence is no longer coming, you will continue. Here it’s more likely to come in — a hen of a seed all over the yard in de ... me.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 14 June 2013 13: 38
          -7
          In fact, helicopters are built to hell and more. Remember the purely fighting are also Mi-8, and light cars, and Mi-26, which are piece goods.
        2. Atrix
          Atrix 14 June 2013 15: 44
          +3
          Quote: Manager
          I understood one thing. We began to catch up with the United States in terms of arming everything

          Can you give examples of what We started to catch up with the USA? What new have been developed, how many have been accepted in units. And most importantly, do not forget to also indicate how much is left and how much is written off.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 14 June 2013 13: 05
        +1
        Quote: Rustam
        The delivery dates of this unit to the ILC and the US Air Force will be amazed, that’s what you need to learn, organize production, introduce new solutions and technologies, our army such delivery rates and such devices to take off!

        So factories can do it, come on. And by the way, bye, by no.
        Therefore, there is no technology.
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 14 June 2013 14: 26
          +3
          Hello. It depends on what plants!
          Here you have to watch
          a) Some invest in production, transfer funds to subcontractors, etc., work hard, do not always succeed in meeting deadlines, and there are problems with quality and reliability, but still, they are trying.

          b) others (random people) receive money, and now they are already 100% and put it in banks at interest, invest in real estate, and generally let them do it at their own discretion.
        2. Atrix
          Atrix 14 June 2013 15: 48
          +5
          Quote: Papakiko
          Quote: Rustam
          The delivery dates of this unit to the ILC and the US Air Force will be amazed, that’s what you need to learn, organize production, introduce new solutions and technologies, our army such delivery rates and such devices to take off!

          So factories can do it, come on. And by the way, bye, by no.
          Therefore, there is no technology.

          Are you kidding me like that? Does Russia have no money? The whole problem is not that there is no money, but that they can’t do it, and if they do it with such difficulty and at such times that it becomes scary. The same ships that were previously built in 1 year are now being built for 5 years or do you need to fill up the plants with money and overpay 10 times for the products?
      3. Avenger711
        Avenger711 14 June 2013 13: 37
        -2
        And why do we need an analog when it stands like a fighter? I have said more than once that for the development of the V-22 and the expenditure of a monstrous amount of money, with a scanty number of cars produced, the developers need to give the heroes of Russia.
  4. bulvas
    bulvas 14 June 2013 11: 21
    12
    new ships, tiltrotors, f-35 ...

    somehow it doesn’t seem like they have a serious crisis and there are problems with the budget
    and plans for the future, apparently serious ...
    1. Komodo
      Komodo 14 June 2013 11: 27
      +6
      War is the only way out for them.
      There will be no amer army cover.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 14 June 2013 11: 37
        +3
        Quote: Komodo
        War is the only way out for them.
        There will be no amer army cover.


        incomprehensible stereotype
        all weapons are usually offensive
        KMP - a separate branch of the army, exclusively for operations on foreign shores

        not just the same oil in arabia is explained

        what is this? vpk pressure? or unlimited financial opportunities?
    2. KBPC50
      KBPC50 14 June 2013 12: 32
      +2
      I agree 100%. They don’t have a crisis, these are fairy tales for people without billions of dollars. The crisis has always been invented by the richest bourgeoisie! So they are building cool technology in spite of the tales of the crisis.
      1. Atrix
        Atrix 14 June 2013 15: 55
        +2
        Quote: KBPC50
        I agree 100%. They don’t have a crisis, these are fairy tales for people without billions of dollars. The crisis has always been invented by the richest bourgeoisie! So they are building cool technology in spite of the tales of the crisis.

        It's just that people hear about the US debt and I think Wow, this is such a big sum. And for them, this means the end of the United States. And when you start to understand that 70-80% of the debt is a debt to yourself, but only 20-30% is to other countries. And that the percentage on the payment of debt is lower than it was when the United States had the smallest debt. It immediately becomes clear that all these are terrible stories.
  5. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 14 June 2013 11: 32
    +4
    Lord, why can’t we? This is the richest country with enormous potential, and the equipment flies, rides and floats still Soviet-built.
    1. Lomikus
      Lomikus 17 June 2013 21: 59
      -1
      Do not remember the name of the Lord in sua, the foreign agent is Standard Oil. Shame is ahead of you.
      How many "protrapolimers" here are just some kind of hotbed.
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 14 June 2013 11: 38
    +2
    I’ve been trying to figure out for a long time: how effective is the use of convertibles compared to conventional helicopters? All sorts of articles came across: from admiring reviews to abusive ones. If anyone knows: where you can find something seriously analytical. I will be grateful.
    1. Manager
      Manager 14 June 2013 12: 07
      +4
      Quote: retired
      If anyone knows: where you can find something seriously analytical. I will be grateful.

      Any technique that flies or swims, providing support to the army and navy, which is in large numbers, will certainly be useful.
      As an example, the presence or absence of SUVs. They do not have weapons, armor, etc. But how much they can be useful in wartime to judge you.
    2. bulgurkhan
      bulgurkhan 14 June 2013 14: 11
      +5
      I didn't find it either, so I decided to compare it myself. Considering that the MV-22 is used on American UDCs, I decided to compare it with the K-29, which will be a transport helicopter on the Russian Mistrals.
      MV-22 (K-29)
      landing, number 24 (16)
      cruise speed. 400 (230)
      combat radius, km 700 (200)

      I think the potential of Amer’s UDC of relatively promising Russian ones is clear from these figures.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 14 June 2013 14: 23
        0
        Thank. This is known. but there are many other factors: maintainability, cost of 1 flight hour, survivability, etc. So in the aggregate of everything, what is actually optimal? The tank’s armor can also be made of tungsten. One tank.
        1. bulgurkhan
          bulgurkhan 14 June 2013 14: 59
          +4
          Amer has been tinkering with this aircraft for 20 years, because tiltrotoplanes have the same technical advantage over traditional helicopters as jet aircraft over piston aircraft. This is a new era.
          1. Manager
            Manager 14 June 2013 15: 17
            +2
            Quote: bulgurkhan
            This is a new era.

            I agree. It is expensive, and this is the only minus. But if there are dibs, then why not make an OSPRI in exchange for transport helicopters?
            No need to count other people's money. You just need to admit that even though our MI is 8 and the world vert, (all our turntables to all turntables of the turntable), but the V22 is a much more interesting and promising thing. With regards to safety, it’s easy to shoot down a regular transport helicopter. Only now v22 needs less time to leave the combat zone (evacuation of the wounded and delivery of ammunition and new forces, this is the main task of v22). In the near future, I think he and a good weapon hang.
            1. bulgurkhan
              bulgurkhan 14 June 2013 15: 29
              +3
              Well, the first jet aircraft also cost incomparably more expensive piston aircraft.
              Here is another such important point, as the development of new technologies giving a quantum leap.
              They are now developing a host of new low-cost convertiplane projects that will make the Amer army incredibly mobile in 10-15 years and still enter the civilian market. It will work like GPS.
              1. Manager
                Manager 14 June 2013 15: 45
                0
                Quote: bulgurkhan
                They are now developing a host of new low-cost convertiplane projects that will make the Amer army incredibly mobile in 10-15 years and still enter the civilian market. It will work like GPS.


                Wait and see. We also have a bunch of developments. May God grant what the world will offer.
                1. Atrix
                  Atrix 14 June 2013 16: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Manager
                  Quote: bulgurkhan
                  They are now developing a host of new low-cost convertiplane projects that will make the Amer army incredibly mobile in 10-15 years and still enter the civilian market. It will work like GPS.


                  Wait and see. We also have a bunch of developments. May God grant what the world will offer.

                  What kind of developments are you talking about? There was so much on paper that if we read, we should already be flying in space on starships and mastering the planets. Development can be considered this only when a prototype is built and it passes all the tests, and without it it's just a theory that in most cases is not implemented in principle or at this time.
        2. Algor73
          Algor73 14 June 2013 18: 11
          0
          But there is a main factor - effectiveness. You can build a myriad of numbers, but this will not be of higher quality
      2. Manager
        Manager 14 June 2013 14: 44
        +1
        But the characteristics of V22

        TECH SPECS
        Crew: 2 + 1 people
        Passenger capacity: 24 paratroopers
        Length with folded blades: 19,20 m
        Fuselage length: 17,48 m
        Wingspan at the ends of the propeller blades: 25,78 m
        Width with folded blades: 5,61 m
        Keel height: 5,38 m
        with engines mounted vertically up: 6,73 m
        with folded blades: 5,51 m
        Wing Area: 28 m?
        Empty weight: 15 kg [000]
        Curb weight: 21 500 kg
        Maximum takeoff weight: 27 440 kg
        vertical take-off: 21 546 kg
        with take-off with a short take-off: 24 950 kg
        Payload mass: 5 kg (vertical take-off)
        The weight of the load on the external sling: 9 072 kg
        Fuel tank capacity: 7 628 L
        Outboard fuel tank capacity: 1 L
        Engines: 2? Allison T406-AD-400/2
        Power: 2? 4586 kW (6150 h.p.)
        Number of rotor blades: 3 pcs.
        Rotor diameter: 11,38 m
        Sweeping surface area: 212 m?

        Flight characteristics
        Maximum speed: 638 km / h
        Airplane speed: 510 km / h
        Helicopter speed: 185 km / h
        Cruising speed: 396 km / h (at sea level)
        Combat radius: 690 km
        Airborne Range: 955 km
        Practical range: 1 km (without refueling)
        vertical take-off: 2 km
        short take-off take-off: 3 km
        Ferrying range: 4 476 km
        Ceiling: 7 925 m

        Rate of climb:
        nominal: 5,5 m / s
        maximum: 11,78 m / s
        Rotor load: 102,23 kg / m?
        Thrust ratio: 427 W / kg
        Maximum operational overload: + 4 /? 1 g
  7. Dromac
    Dromac 14 June 2013 11: 50
    -5
    Well what to say? Good targets. The same helicopters, only a side view. No envy, dead end project
  8. Alikovo
    Alikovo 14 June 2013 11: 52
    -7
    he even knows how to fly.
  9. Zhzhuk
    Zhzhuk 14 June 2013 12: 15
    +7
    who doesn’t want to wait for 2 minutes to take off,
  10. Russ69
    Russ69 14 June 2013 12: 16
    +2
    Honestly, I don’t have any special enthusiasm for this device. And the fact that the Americans are bought well, and their budget is many times greater, and they can always print.
  11. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 June 2013 12: 24
    +5
    The states are arming themselves with leaps and bounds, and the weapon is basically offensive. Amerikosos war as a mother is not to go bankrupt.
  12. lucidlook
    lucidlook 14 June 2013 12: 42
    +2
    Imha, if the topic of the Ka-92 is brought to mind, the Russian Federation will be no worse, and in some ways even better.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 14 June 2013 13: 02
      +3
      promising car, at first glance it seems even more interesting
  13. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 14 June 2013 13: 23
    -6
    we stole in the 90s ......
  14. 128mgb
    128mgb 14 June 2013 13: 35
    0
    That's what an unlimited budget means, drank at least until the loss of pulse. A machine from the category of Schaub Bulo.
  15. fzr1000
    fzr1000 14 June 2013 14: 04
    +4
    After the story of Deputy Fedorov on the topic that we are a US colony (http://www.aviaport.ru/member/19335/),
    at least it became clear to me why the government of D. Medvedev removed the projects of high-speed Ka-92 and Ka-102 helicopters from the program of future helicopters of Russia, and instead of them it launches a high-speed classic helicopter into development.

    Then I remembered: “The leading Soviet helicopter company Mil was under the control of the American company Sikorsky, whose interests were by no means to equip the Russian Armed Forces with modern models.
    ... The advantages of the Ka-50 and Ka-52 are universally recognized, the desirability of the immediate completion of helicopters in Arsenyev has not been disputed, the need to continue work on the Ka-52 is confirmed - the subsidy is not increasing.
    Quite the contrary: in the coming year 2005, the Mi-28N was funded to exceed the allocation for the Ka-50 / -52 already a hundred times.
    "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" - Federal Issue No. 3613 of October 26, 2004 "

    Therefore, it is not surprising that “KB Mil was unexpectedly supported by the son of a famous American aircraft designer Sikorsky. He said that now there are no opponents in the world, but there is competition between transnational corporations, and he takes the side of Mi. ” http://www.warlib.ru/index.php?id=000129 -

    Well, what can I say: the owner - whom I want, that I choose!
    Following his instructions, the world's best combat helicopter, the Ka-50 Black Shark, was withdrawn from service with the Russian Army.

    And what about the Americans themselves?
    "Sikorsky Aircraft Corp and Boeing will jointly implement the first phase of a program to create a demonstrator of promising combined multi-purpose technology." The creation of the demonstrator is planned to be completed in 2017.
    http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2013/01/22/247596.html

    Pay attention to their projects for future rotorcraft: all but one coaxial design, and that “one” is no longer classic, like the cost center with the American name “rachelle”, but with wings and a pushing propeller:
    http://www.aviationweek.com/...

    Our Ka-92: “For the first time, the Ka-92 concept was presented at the MAKS-2007 air show last August, when its model was solemnly handed over to Vladimir Putin (see“ Take-off ”No. 10/2007, p. 6).
    According to Kamov experts, the prototype Ka-92 can be created by about 2015. By that time, individual technical solutions for the high-speed helicopter concept are planned to be worked out at flying laboratories, which will be created on the basis of today's production helicopters. A.F. " http://www.xliby.ru/.../vzlyot_2008_06/p10.php copy
    Those. create normal conditions for S.V. Mikheev and the Ka-92 demonstrator would be ready two years earlier than the Americans! But alas! The fifth column did its dirty work and the Ka-92 projects together with the Ka-102 were completely removed!



    The advantages of the Ka-50 and Ka-52 are universally recognized, the feasibility of the immediate completion of helicopters in Arsenyev has not been disputed, the need to continue work on the Ka-52 is confirmed - the subsidy is not increasing. Quite the contrary: in the coming year 2005, the financing of the Mi-28N will exceed the allocation for the Ka-50 / -52 already a hundred times. http://www.rg.ru/printable/2004/10/26/a43550.html
    Hence it is not surprising that today, “The Mi-8 platform is still the pillar and breadwinner of the industry.”
    http://www.aex.ru/fdocs/1/2012/12/11/22089/
    I clarify: more than half a century of "platform"!
    1. lucidlook
      lucidlook 14 June 2013 16: 41
      +1
      The usual undercover fight of two KB with access to the upper levels. Everyone strangles a competitor in all available ways, because the struggle is for survival. The Ka-50/52 also has many shortcomings (for example, vertical dimensions, which significantly complicate transportation in existing aircraft). Of course, for high-speed flights, the coaxial scheme is better suited (especially with rigid blades). The theme with the Ka-50 in general and with the Ka-50Sh is a separate and very sad story.

      On the other hand, if you look a little more broadly, then both classical and perspective helicopters are needed now. Pay attention to what fly around the world right now, which is used widely and successfully.

      Yes, funds must be allocated for promising projects right now. We hope that the president and the government understand this no worse than you and me. And as for the initial presentation, then, believe me, there is no fault of Medvedev in the fact that in 2008 the whole world was covered by a financial crisis.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 14 June 2013 17: 02
        +2
        Medvedev and his people are not our people.
        1. lucidlook
          lucidlook 14 June 2013 17: 49
          0
          Whose are yours? Do not forget, he shakes hands.
  16. 9k72
    9k72 14 June 2013 14: 10
    0
    "Aviation collection" 7-11 "... for one departure of the tiltrotor, which currently stands about 93 million dollars, there were 7,5 passengers and 167 kg of cargo ..." Snowball, this arms race, when, damn it , the printing press at the peninsula will break down?
    1. sashka
      sashka 14 June 2013 14: 24
      +1
      Quote: 9k72
      "Aviation collection" 7-11 "... for one departure of the tiltrotor, which currently stands about 93 million dollars, there were 7,5 passengers and 167 kg of cargo ..." Snowball, this arms race, when, damn it , the printing press at the peninsula will break down?

      And figs with him with the machine, they’ll make a new one. According to the latest news from the TV, we can’t even build a machine. Which would draw money. But in fact they are building and are building, without disputes and showdowns. That's what annoys ...
  17. Konsmo
    Konsmo 14 June 2013 14: 39
    -2
    Don’t worry. It costs like 7 pcs. Mi 8. The capacity is the same 24 paratroopers. The load on the suspension can not miss.
    Yes, the range is 2 times greater and the speed is the same time.
    But for its price, our trucks already come with a capacity of 100 paratroopers. And for other characteristics it’s generally not worth comparing.
    In short, this is a mixture of sturgeon and sprat.
    Here are our generals and scratching turnips for 40 years. And do we need such a beast?
    We agreed that we would spend the money more efficiently than Amer.
    They print it, but we don’t.
    So keep the tail carrot. good
    1. sashka
      sashka 14 June 2013 14: 50
      +3
      Quote: Konsmo
      Don’t worry. It costs like 7 pcs. Mi 8. The capacity is the same 24 paratroopers. The load on the suspension can not miss.

      It's not about performance characteristics .. It's about production. While we argue, it's not expensive, they don't cost and stupidly wait for how all this will end .. They do and do. When there is someone and what to produce, people have no reason to bother themselves with all sorts of nonsense . Type "marsh". And who is to blame and what to do ..
    2. Windbreak
      Windbreak 14 June 2013 16: 35
      +5
      Quote: Konsmo
      . The load on the suspension can not miss.
  18. mark7
    mark7 14 June 2013 15: 10
    +1
    the car is good and most importantly necessary, we should also think about it
  19. 9k72
    9k72 14 June 2013 15: 50
    +1
    according to the criterion "cost-benefit" ineffective. Yes, and it is not for nothing that the Japanese raised kipesh - they fall periodically wink
  20. True
    True 14 June 2013 18: 19
    -1
    Submarine V-22 "Osprey" was built to be based on American UDC. We do not have UDC, therefore there is no sense in such a machine.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 14 June 2013 18: 42
      0
      Well, as if in 2014 it would be
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  22. Ironronin
    Ironronin 14 June 2013 20: 41
    +1
    I've always loved McCain's comment about this car "V-22 looks great in the sky ... when not idle for repairs."
    Well, if in general the car is promising but expensive to maintain and repair.
  23. poquello
    poquello 15 June 2013 00: 26
    +1
    And why is the wave? The Americans upgraded their chinook, upgraded well. What is this new generation technique, well, do not tell.
  24. mark7
    mark7 15 June 2013 01: 21
    +1
    war is the engine of progress, there will be demand will hone will bring to mind
  25. runway
    runway 15 June 2013 09: 51
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    According to the assessment of the US Navy representative James O'Donnell (James O'Donnell), a long-term agreement will allow the Navy to save up to 1 billion dollars compared to annually concluded contracts.
    How different are our approaches to arms purchases with them!
    In addition to the fact that they strive to buy the most advanced equipment for their army (and expensive), at the same time, they think about the money of their taxpayers! We spend the budget as a "stranger", trying to save on the human lives of their soldiers! Approaches to this issue will change when the children of our drivers will serve in our army and on our equipment.