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Iran does not agree with the replacement of C-300 on the air defense system "Thor"

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The situation around the supply of C-300 air defense systems to Iran has been continued. According to RIA News, Iran has not yet made a final decision on whether the country will insist on Russia paying compensation in the amount of about 4 billion dollars for refusing to supply C-300. About this on Tuesday, 11 June, said Deputy Foreign Minister of Iran Hossein Amir Abdollahiyan. According to him, Tehran still expects to find a more constructive solution to this problem. The search for the most effective solution for this issue for the two sides is currently ongoing.


According to the details of the amicable agreement, which the Russian authorities are ready to conclude with Iran, leaked in the media, Moscow is ready to supply Tehran with Tor-M1E air defense systems, and in a fairly short time. However, Iran, of course, is not satisfied with such a proposal. Currently, in Tehran, they are ready to withdraw a lawsuit against Russia for 4 billion dollars only in the case of the delivery of C-300 complexes to the country. There is nothing unusual in this, if we consider that the “Thor” complex proposed to Iran is an air defense system of a completely different class. The Tor-MXNXX air defense missile system is a short-range system that can be integrated into Iranian air defense, but only as one of the elements, it simply cannot replace the C-1, since these are systems of different purposes with different tactics. technical characteristics. At the same time, experts recognize that the Russian C-300 air defense system is absolutely necessary for Tehran to ensure the security of the country from a possible air attack.

History Iran’s lawsuit against Rosoboronexport filed with the Geneva Arbitration Court began last year, and even then the Russian side admitted that there was practically no chance of winning the court. Until recently, Moscow did not comment on the course of the trial with Tehran, but recently the general director of the Rostec state corporation (formerly called “Russian Technologies”) Sergei Chemezov at the opening of the military plant in Jordan said: “We are trying to negotiate a settlement agreement with Iran, so far special results. "

It is worth recalling that the contract for the supply of Tehran 5 divisions S-300PMU-1 (total cost of about 900 million dollars) was signed back in 2007 year. This agreement immediately caused sharp discontent on the part of Israel and the United States. After 3 a year later, the UN Security Council adopted another resolution on Iran, which condemned the country's leadership for not wanting to stop its own nuclear program. This document introduced new sanctions against Tehran, including a ban on the transfer of modern weapons to Iran.

Iran does not agree with the replacement of C-300 on the air defense system "Thor"

In September, 2010, then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree on measures to implement the resolution adopted by the UN Security Council. After this, the path to the delivery of the C-300 air defense system to Iran was blocked. In response to this step, the Iranian state-owned company Aerospace Industries Organization and the Iranian Ministry of Defense filed a lawsuit with the Geneva Arbitration Court. The lawsuit against Rosoboronexport requires payment of 4 billion dollars. This amount was made up of the cost of the C-300 contract itself, the cost of preparing systems for setting up air defense systems on combat duty and moral damage. According to some data, this amount was also included a penalty on other military contracts between the countries, starting from 1995, when, as part of the Gore-Chernomyrdin agreement, Russia refused to supply weapons to Iran.

At the same time, Iran argued that the C-300 air defense system does not fall under the resolution adopted by the UN. According to this resolution, the delivery of "missiles and missile systems" to Tehran is prohibited, but the resolution does not contain subcategories of ground-to-air missiles. Vladimir Yevseyev, director of the Center for Socio-Political Studies, notes that Russia's position is really vulnerable, the supply of C-300 was banned by a decree of the Russian president, and not by a UN Security Council resolution.

Understanding that the risk of losing this case in court is very high, the Russian authorities offered Iran an alternative in the form of supplies of the Tor-M1E air defense system. In 2012, Tehran received the latest 29 complexes of this system under a contract concluded in 2005. Among the advantages of this proposal is the fact that the Iranian military has already sufficiently studied and mastered these complexes. Moreover, in case of reaching the relevant agreements, Russia promises to form a schedule for deliveries of the air defense system in such a way as to reduce the time of their transfer to the customer to a minimum.

Naturally, Iran is not satisfied with such a proposal. The range of the Russian C-300 complex on the 1,5 order exceeds that of Tor-M1 in range (150 km. Vs. 10-12 km.) And significantly in altitude (almost 30 km. From C-300 and 10 km. From "Thor-M1"). Tehran also noted the fact that the Tor-М1Е complexes already purchased from Russia are quite sufficient, and the Russian C-300 system is the priority for the country.

LAW "Tor-M1E"

The fact that negotiations between countries are underway indicates that Russia does not feel comfortable in connection with the lawsuit filed by Iran and is trying to find a way out of the crisis, said Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies. In turn, Vladimir Yevseyev believes that the signing of a new agreement on the supply of arms between the countries is possible, since at present the Iranian armed forces have many gaps that Tehran needs to fill. At the same time, the expert believes that Iran will be as scrupulous as possible in this matter and will take only what the country cannot yet produce on its own or buy from the PRC. After the conclusion of the agreement, Gore-Chernomyrdin in Iran is generally quite skeptical about the development of military-technical cooperation with Russia. Then our country suffered significant image losses, as it was able to convince many that it was subject to Western influence on MTC issues.

According to Kommersant, sources close to Rosoboronexport claim that, despite Iran’s willingness to compromise, Russia will continue to seek the withdrawal of the lawsuit from Geneva from Tehran and is ready to conduct a “long trial”. The stakes in this dispute are really very high: 4 billion dollars is almost ¼ Russia's annual revenue from arms sales, according to the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, the arms trade brought the country 2012 billion dollars only in 15,16 year.

The fact that Moscow nevertheless offered Iran a replacement in the form of one air defense system to another, quite eloquently indicates that the ban on 2010 of the year was originally a common hypocrisy. If Russia so piously believed in the presence of international legal restrictions on the supply of C-300 air defense systems to Tehran, then at present it is offering Iran the same type of weapons, but with a significantly smaller radius of action. The groundlessness of Dmitry Medvedev’s refusal to supply complexes under a contract concluded between countries was already visible.

According to the resolution, which did not take into account the ground-to-air missiles, Russia could put C-300 air defense systems to Iran on absolutely legal grounds. Even in the US administration, in which they knew very well that the resolution adopted by the Security Council did not prevent Russia from selling air-defense complexes to Iran, it seemed that they did not expect Moscow to decide to disarm Iran. Upon seeing the decree signed by the Russian president, the White House was most likely stunned by the fact that the then Russian leadership suddenly decided to become "holier than the Pope of Rome."


In the “bottom line” of disrupting this contract, Russia received a “net” minus in the amount of 900 million dollars, plus an additional minus in the amount of 4 billion dollars, which the Geneva arbitration will most likely force Moscow to pay to Tehran. The fact that this trial is obviously losing for the Russian side was also acknowledged by the head of Rostec corporation, Sergey Chemezov, and the head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, Alexander Fomin.

In this case, the damage to our country from the failure of this contract is not limited to the loss of money. In the arms business, as in no other, it is customary to always fulfill the obligations assumed by the supply. The weapon does not belong to the category of ordinary "secular" goods: it must absolutely and without fail and operate in time, otherwise it is worthless. Sometimes the buyer is even ready to seriously overpay the contract, but at the same time be confident in the reliability and timeliness of supply. Reliability includes not only the quality of the weapons sold, but also the supplier’s readiness for subsequent maintenance and, if necessary, upgrading the products supplied. From such a complex of reliability over the years, the authority of the seller is formed, which cannot be purchased for any amount.

At the same time, President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran, which Israel and the United States threatened with bombing, and did so in front of the whole world. This casts doubt on Russia's position as a reliable supplier of weapons, which is a rather specific product. Certainly, some potential buyers of Russian weapons will now first think about: “But will they refuse to deliver me at the most inopportune moment, leaving me unprotected in the face of mortal danger if I am declared an enemy of the United States, Israel or the whole West.” Such potential losses of Russia from outstanding contracts are quite difficult to estimate in monetary terms. However, it is possible to say with all certainty that 4 billion dollars, which Iran has requested, will seem against this background as an insignificant amount.

Experts believe that the main Russian losses from non-fulfillment of the Iranian contract will not be material, but geopolitical. They represent a great danger for Moscow. Having deprived Iran of powerful defensive armament, Russia left this country without adequate protection from bombing and shelling with cruise missiles. Iran and without the Russian air defense systems will defend much better than the Saddam regime that has scattered overnight, but from a military point of view, the forces in this conflict will be clearly unequal. It cannot be excluded that with time the American-Israeli military coalition will succeed in changing the political leadership in Tehran, turning Iran into its ally.


For Russia, this is a very bad option. After that, the entire arc of the so-called Greater Middle East, with its huge hydrocarbon reserves, which encircles Russia from the south, will be controlled by America. After that, it is unlikely that someone will need different “northern” and “southern” flows, in which Gazprom invests billions of euros today, if the West succeeds in establishing full control over the region, where the prime cost of producing the main energy resources of the planet is several times lower than on deposits in Russia. After that, it is unlikely that anyone will remember the costs that Russia will incur on the international arms market.

At the same time, the loss of the role of the great energy superpower, which Russian authorities and politicians so fond of defying, can only seem like “flowers” ​​compared to the threat to the territorial integrity of Russia, which may appear to our country in the event of Iran’s “fall”. After the conquest of the Iranian springboard, the main world "democratizers", leaving not only Moscow, but also Beijing, will continue to move east and north. At the same time, Russia, like the PRC, will face infiltration of instability, as well as subversive activities at its borders. This may be the true cost of the refusal of President Dmitry Medvedev and his entourage to supply Iran with the C-300 air defense system. The refusal, which hesitates to abolish, and the current top leadership of the country, headed by Vladimir Putin.

Information sources:
-http: //www.kommersant.ru/doc/2208206
-http: //www.km.ru/world/2013/06/09/yadernaya-programma-irana/712777-rossiya-serezno-vlipla-otkazavshis-postalyly-iran
-http: //ria.ru/trend/russia_iran_missile_11062013
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  1. Tarpon
    Tarpon 14 June 2013 07: 59 New
    65
    If in doubt, then it was not necessary to sign a contract, and if they signed, then it was necessary to fulfill.
    1. Orel
      Orel 14 June 2013 09: 12 New
      20
      Iran does not agree with the replacement of C-300 on the air defense system "Thor"


      No wonder, this is far from the same thing. For the West, Thor is not a deterrent, but the S-300 forces them to put their weapons away to the warehouse, especially if there are enough divisions.
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 14 June 2013 09: 33 New
        34
        .... President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran, which Israel and the United States threatened with bombing, and did so in full view of the world. This casts doubt on Russia's position as a reliable supplier of weapons.
        After the conquest of the Iranian bridgehead, the world's leading “democratizers", leaving not only Moscow but also Beijing, will continue their movement east and north. At the same time, Russia, like China, will be awaited by the infiltration of instability, as well as subversive activities at its borders. Such may be the true cost of the refusal of President Dmitry Medvedev and his entourage to supply S-300 air defense systems to Iran. The refusal, which is hesitant to cancel, is also the current top leadership of the country, headed by Vladimir Putin.


        Historical justice for me looks like this:
        Gorbachu - gallows number 1, iPhone - number 2 !!!
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 14 June 2013 10: 37 New
          18
          A Chubais shoot chtoli ?? There is a lot of honor. IPhone - No. 3 !!
          1. aviator_IAS
            aviator_IAS 14 June 2013 11: 18 New
            17
            Quote: retired
            A Chubais shoot chtoli ??


            On stake! yes
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 14 June 2013 12: 05 New
              +2
              So while it will be bent still to have time to do some chynyed. More reliable rope.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 13: 43 New
            +9
            Quote: retired
            A Chubais shoot chtoli ?? There is a lot of honor. IPhone - No. 3 !!

            Quote: cartridge
            Gorbachu - gallows number 1, iPhone - number 2 !!!

            Do you really believe that an iPhone could make such a decision on its own ???
            1. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 14 June 2013 15: 24 New
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              Quote: retired
              A Chubais shoot chtoli ?? There is a lot of honor. IPhone - No. 3 !!

              Quote: cartridge
              Gorbachu - gallows number 1, iPhone - number 2 !!!

              Do you really believe that an iPhone could make such a decision on its own ???


              IPhone just do zombies. He does not have a single thought of his own.

              At the expense of the gallows, the thought is good, it is a pity that public executions are not in our traditions.
            2. AntonR7
              AntonR7 14 June 2013 15: 27 New
              +1
              I agree. Medvedev is a puppet of Putin. He needed a bear so that he would have his own in power and that no one would stop him from coming for a new term. Without Putin, nothing can be resolved, and indeed Putin is in power for a year, and the refusal to supply has not been canceled.
              1. elmi
                elmi 14 June 2013 17: 51 New
                +4
                Quote: AntonR7
                I agree. Medvedev is a puppet of Putin. He needed a bear so that he would have his own in power and that no one would stop him from coming for a new term. Without Putin, nothing can be resolved, and indeed Putin is in power for a year, and the refusal to supply has not been canceled.

                Such may be the true cost of the refusal of President Dmitry Medvedev and his entourage to supply Iran with S-300 air defense systems. The refusal, which is hesitant to cancel, is also the current top leadership of the country, headed by Vladimir Putin.

                This is what worries Putin’s soft policy in foreign policy. Failure to complete the delivery of C-300 to Iran, and Syria only promises ... where is the hardness ?! If such a policy continues, soon the president’s word will mean nothing and very few people will buy weapons from us.
        2. donchepano
          donchepano 14 June 2013 10: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: cartridge
          ... President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran,

          Committee 300 decided, Chubats passed, Dimon did (signed)
        3. lab29
          lab29 14 June 2013 12: 17 New
          +5
          EBN forgot for justice)))
        4. Good fellow
          Good fellow 14 June 2013 13: 28 New
          +9
          Remove Yeltsin, charge the Tsar Cannon, and shoot towards the setting sun. For our men! How much they put in Chechnya, betrayed ... the peoples quarreled, we are still raking. Every day I pass by a vocational school where friends studied, acquaintances, a plaque with photographs hangs, the guys from it look at passers-by. It hurts to tears, it hurts.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 14 June 2013 13: 59 New
            +4
            why not bullet into space. wait for the next "march of millions" and there ... everyone will receive a piece of idol. All 15 people. And work out with a top gun. For warranty ...
        5. Ar4ii
          Ar4ii 14 June 2013 20: 47 New
          +1
          it's time to introduce triples
        6. optimist
          optimist 14 June 2013 23: 33 New
          +1
          And then what needs to be done with the current "guarantor"? After all, Iran would not mind to “forgive” Russia, if the supplies are nevertheless fulfilled? I ask this question to ardent putinoids. When it reaches you that humpbacked = ebn = chubais = gdp = dame = ...
          Py Sy. Until now, there is no reliable data that the S-300 delivered to Syria. And NATO is already preparing for the intervention ...
      2. Yuriy3005
        Yuriy3005 14 June 2013 10: 40 New
        +9
        Well, why is our Defense Ministry stupid then ... S-300 can not be sold? Ladushki, we take 1 S-300 complex, we blurt out the TOR-M1ESM nameplate (super-modernized) and, voila, we sell the Torah to Iran bully but you can do it even more elegantly, sell Toro car kits - well, the fact that the Iranians accidentally assemble S-300 from them, it’s not our fault that they are so “illiterate” and read the assembly instructions beforehand good
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 14 June 2013 11: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Yuri3005
          but you can do it even more elegantly, sell Toro car kits - well, the fact that the Iranians accidentally assemble S-300 from them, it’s not our fault that they are so “illiterate” and read the assembly instructions beforehand
          - Dock the files in the kit and indicate in the instructions: "After assembly, process with a file!". Not processed? Do not be surprised that another complex is obtained laughing
        2. rolik
          rolik 14 June 2013 12: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Yuri3005
          0, blurt out the nameplate TOR-M1ESM

          It will be easier to add the letter “K” and there will be KS 300 (which means “kirdyk of the USA”, call it meteorological equipment, and that's all).
        3. AntonR7
          AntonR7 14 June 2013 17: 03 New
          +1
          Why such difficulties, because it is said that the UN resolution did not prohibit the supply of this type of weapon. You just need to cancel the decree of the Bear and sell the S-300. We’ll make it ourselves and invest in the defense industry and Iran will be protected from the United States.
        4. mehanik27
          mehanik27 14 June 2013 22: 05 New
          0
          Even about 10 years ago, the Iranians came to watch the TOP, and they were just looking at this particular machine, which is pictured here, which is not even the TOP-M1E ... so that they can figure out that they will be pricked in a couple of seconds.
      3. alexkross83
        alexkross83 14 June 2013 12: 57 New
        +3
        For the West, the deterrence factor in Iran is not the S-300 complexes, but the economic interests of China .... it is strange why the article does not say that 70% of the energy resources in China are the money invested by China in this industry in Iran ... who can imagine that China will remain without energy resources? What would you do in such a situation with a powerful army and nuclear deterrence forces? What would you do, knowing that your country would be completely deprived of energy resources?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 June 2013 13: 19 New
          0
          That’s the whole point, the US is critical to restrain China’s growth. And precisely because of such a tantrum around Iran. And precisely because of this, Iran was "thanked" for its assistance in the occupation of Afghanistan by including in the "axis of evil"
      4. Explore
        Explore 14 June 2013 13: 58 New
        +7
        I do not want to comment on the fact of "throwing" Iran. Maybe one of our politicians is afraid of a war with him (although this is pretty crazy).
        I have a different question. We promised the S-300 Long-Range Complex (radius - up to 150-200 km). We made a contract and ... We threw it.
        Now we want to sell another product. But no. Not another Long Range Complex (earlier modifications of the S-300), not Mid Range Complex (Buk-M2E with a radius of 45-50 km), and not even old Low Range complexes (Cube-M3 with a radius of 25 km). No we offer short range complexes Tor, which with a radius of 10 km, are designed to cover divisions and brigades of SV, but not for a full-fledged air defense of the country.
        And we are surprised at the failure of Iran ...
      5. elmi
        elmi 14 June 2013 17: 43 New
        +2
        At the same time, President Dmitry Medvedev simply “threw” Iran,

        No wonder he got an iPhone
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    3. afire
      afire 14 June 2013 09: 15 New
      +1
      My opinion is why - at least some adequate answer to why Medvedev did this,
      otherwise he is just a false Dmitry pest.
      It is possible to re-export from Iran some quantity of weapons, it is possible to dismantle the warheads of missiles,
      it’s not so simple, remember the Chinese who steal technology, Iran has a nuclear program, here any help is suitable for its development, they need design solutions. And in c300 everything is compact and digestible. Another thing is that to disassemble the entire head part does not work.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 14 June 2013 09: 19 New
        +8
        but before signing the contract they didn’t think about it? in that case, what kind of specialists are we responsible for selling weapons)) the price is worthless to such specialists (this is if you are right)
    4. RUSSIA 2013
      RUSSIA 2013 14 June 2013 09: 34 New
      +6
      Yes, this Medvedev just screwed up, the S-300 needs to be sold to Iran, the contract is a contract, all the more so under the UN resolution the S-300 does not fall into the general rule of Medvedev for Russia, it’s not shaky, there’s nothing easier to remember, nothing to remember, Yes, I remembered nanotechnology. Yes, and how the prime minister made a mess in his ministry, one defense service that is worth it, he wants to run for president again, everything is not enough for him.
      1. RUSSIA 2013
        RUSSIA 2013 14 June 2013 11: 08 New
        +2
        INFORMATION ON THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN SYRIA FABRICATED - GUNS

        The head of the Russian State Duma’s Foreign Affairs Committee Alexei Pushkov calls the fabricated information on the use of chemical weapons in Syria, RIA Novosti reported.

        On Friday, the White House said that by using chemical weapons, the Syrian government crossed the US-established borders, and America will respond to this.

        “The data on the use of chemical weapons by (Bashar) Assad were fabricated in the same place as the lies about weapons of mass destruction at Hussein. Obama is following George W. Bush’s path, ”Pushkov wrote Friday in his microblog on Twitter.

    5. KILLAvolt
      KILLAvolt 14 June 2013 09: 36 New
      +5
      Here Dima-iPhone and leaked the contract! There was no need to sign anything, which violates the terms of the contract! Damn, for some reason OSHA (USA *, M. Zadornov) defends its interests, and we, like ... babies, were born only yesterday! Now, the OSHA said today that, according to their intelligence, Assad used chemical weapons! Oyuhehet !!! According to their mother, intelligence !!! Who is this your intelligence ?!
      And now they are going to supply weapons to the militants ... critters!
      So we had to act, declare some kind of yuhnya and give a shit about the resolutions of the UN and other homosexuals!
      Dima should teach back to the institute ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 14 June 2013 09: 58 New
        0
        Quote: KILLAvolt
        Here Dima-iPhone and leaked the contract!

        People hawala, still someone believes that DAM has decided and is deciding. laughing

        Quote: KILLAvolt
        Who is this your intelligence ?!

        None laughing
        The problem is not in intelligence, but in decisions made on its data

        Quote: KILLAvolt
        So we had to act, declare some kind of yuhnya and give a shit about the resolutions of the UN and other homosexuals!

        About homosexuals - understandably, but about the UN decision - in more detail
        UN General Assembly condemns Syria, and with it China and Russia
        About 132 countries endorsed the Saudi Arabian resolution condemning events in Syria. This happened during a special session on Friday. 12 countries, including Russia and China, voted “against” the resolution, 31 states abstained from voting.

        Quote: KILLAvolt
        Dima must teach back to the institute

        In 12 years he will return. When the 2-term GDP on galleys is finished. laughing
        1. ultra
          ultra 14 June 2013 10: 18 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          In 12 years he will return

          IMHO - Will never come back !!!
      2. T-73
        T-73 14 June 2013 16: 51 New
        0
        Dima has to go to the camera. To attach the ... 4 billion + 900 million to the expenditures of the Ministry of Defense, to generalize the matter into one production and this whole gang to Kolyma
    6. Letterksi
      Letterksi 14 June 2013 11: 19 New
      +2
      The current Russian government starts any problem for PR, scores points on it, but keeps it in a “smoldering” state and never finally resolves it. Thus, problems accumulate, smolder and can always erupt with renewed vigor, taking away the resources of the country and people.

      I think that Iran will decide for a long time whether or not to file a lawsuit for 4 billion against Russia, and Russia will break for a long time, because the leadership will use this topic for bargaining with the West, and Iran, if it files a lawsuit and wins it, then "by chance" will lose a small trump card in his "trade". Of course, Iran wants to have these systems in service. He does not want to finally resolve this issue with Russia for 4 million, finally cutting off the path to political bargaining, in the face of a serious and real threat.

      This is proved by the situation with the supply of Syria S-300. The leadership does not say finally yes or no, there is always a solid "maybe", which drives wars and problems into an ever-smoldering state
    7. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 14 June 2013 15: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Tarpon
      If in doubt, then it was not necessary to sign a contract, and if they signed, then it was necessary to fulfill.


      No doubt about it. The iPhone came in here, and so stuck in that they still couldn’t extract it. I’m wondering what conditions should be on the part of America so that the Russian Federation refuses to comply with the contract? The losses are unrealistic, starting with material and ending with geopolitical ...
      1. Andrew-001
        Andrew-001 15 June 2013 01: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Geisenberg
        what are the conditions on the part of americana so that the Russian Federation refuses to comply with the contract

        1) At a minimum, a new iPhone is the earliest in Russia for a specific organism.
        2) Perhaps - a big sick loot on the roof of this organism.
        I do not observe other options.
    8. vezunchik
      vezunchik 14 June 2013 17: 02 New
      +1
      Being scammers is bad. Especially at a high level. Lied time - who will believe you ....
      1. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 14 June 2013 20: 22 New
        +1
        Amer breeze when they need to. And all hawala. And Amer FSUs at all.
    9. ImPerts
      ImPerts 14 June 2013 18: 25 New
      0
      At least three scenarios: 1) Geneva will do everything for Iran to lose; 2) The decision will be in favor of Iran and will have to put :-); 3) Money through Iran will go to support the allies :-).
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 14 June 2013 21: 47 New
        0
        Quote: ImPerts
        At least three scenarios: 1) Geneva will do everything for Iran to lose; 2) The decision will be in favor of Iran and will have to put :-); 3) Money through Iran will go to support the allies :-).

        Option 4) they lose the court and take 4 yards from Israel as Benya persuaded not to deliver these complexes to Iran.
    10. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 14 June 2013 19: 12 New
      +1
      Afraid - don't do it. Did - do not be afraid!
  2. Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 14 June 2013 08: 00 New
    -5
    Well, to say the Torah is also a good alternative, but I would dilute the 1 contract with the X-NUMX division. Although if you think about it, it is better to have a state with nuclear weapons with which we have disputed water borders than a state with which there are also disputed territories and will completely destabilize and help radicalize the entire Caucasian region and capable of bringing down our economy. It must be sent to a further confrontation.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 14 June 2013 08: 30 New
      18
      a good alternative, say?) I can imagine how you come to buy a Mercedes cargo truck (for example), and you get an old Volkswagen car rolled out and say that it’s a “good alternative.” The contract was signed for s-300.
      by such actions the Russian Federation will substitute itself in the world arms markets.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 14 June 2013 12: 23 New
        0
        C-300 will not be delivered to Iran, percent of 80 that this will not happen because the lobby of the USA and Israel is still very strong. As for the alternative, this is better than nothing because no one will sell them, well, except for China, the quality is doubtful. For them, the tori are especially needed for cover, for the first, mountainous terrain, the second, if they attack, they will first crush air defense with cruise missiles and the tori are just well, at least in words, and are intended for cruise and other purposes. In fact, it’s much easier to buy 200 tori, which have almost the same chance of shooting down the same missiles in Iran than the c-300.
        I don’t argue with 300, but Iran doesn’t have much choice. And they themselves understand, otherwise they would have stood on c-300 without considering other systems.
        1. bazilio
          bazilio 14 June 2013 14: 13 New
          +1
          In general, the situation is not so clear. On the one hand, yes, they promised, they signed a contract, please. Again, the presence of the C300 in Iran will make the United States and Israel seriously think about striking. On the other hand, if Iran, under the cover of the C300, creates nuclear weapons and changes the foreign policy vector, it may turn out that Russia will receive a hostile neighbor with nuclear weapons and the Russian C300 covered in air. The only way out, as I see it, is to allow Iran to strengthen its army with conventional weapons, including with the help of the C300, but categorically prohibit the creation of nuclear weapons and strictly monitor this, while the Russian Federation must follow.
  3. Ivan79
    Ivan79 14 June 2013 08: 05 New
    +6
    Amer will soon openly sell weapons to Syrian rebels. And then ... There are no words.
    1. fero
      fero 14 June 2013 09: 40 New
      +3
      Do not sell, but supply for nothing. The rebels (read the terrorists) do not have legal financial instruments, it’s not a carry box. winked Is it that the Saudis will denyuyu for them what
  4. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 14 June 2013 08: 09 New
    15
    The Russian Zhidomasons are struggling to disrupt this deal .... stsuki
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 14 June 2013 08: 32 New
      +6
      Jewish masons can only be done through their people in power. Name their surnames, U. Scandinavian
    2. alexdol
      alexdol 14 June 2013 09: 08 New
      10
      Scandinavian SU "The Russian Zhidomasons are trying their best to disrupt this deal .... stsuki"
      ----------------------------------------
      Absolutely right! I’m talking about this endlessly! Here's the next "comrade" asks for the names .. And the names of "Mr. Medvedev" is enough for you? But he was the president of RUSSIA, and even today he’s out of work ... And his entourage, and all sorts of Chubais and "oligarchs". I think that everything should be clear here. It’s a pity, I don’t know how to do this, in the books of the Kharkov Jew E. Khodos there are a lot of photos of Putin surrounded by “nosy with pats in black hats”, I did not come across this in other sources, and this also leads to some thoughts. Well, and what do you want after this, so that this "Jew-Masson" power, occupying Russia, does something wrong for its brothers? Here is the answer to all your questions! Let me remind you once again: the heroes of RUSSIA Kvachkov, Khabarov and others were very quickly imprisoned for huge periods of time, and all thieves like Serdyukov and the company are still at large. This also says a lot, for those who can THINK! I already wrote about Ukraine that its Verkhovna Rada for more than 50 percent consists of Jews and half-breeds, I take it from the books of Hodos and he really resents it ?!
      So you yourself and analyze the Russian government, the same Duma, finally. Look who and how is represented there. There should be a “Russian” majority, if we take it from the size of the Russian population, but it seems that you will not find this in the Duma!
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 14 June 2013 09: 13 New
        +6
        comrade can write without quotes.
        Well, as for the given names, I completely agree. It was simply interesting to hear if the name of the current president of the Russian Federation is glad that at least in this matter our views coincide. Thanks for the answer
      2. Manager
        Manager 14 June 2013 09: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: alexdol
        Well, and what do you want after this, so that this "Jew-Masson" power, Occupying Russia, does something wrong for its brothers?

        Well, what can I say, with every act that seems to be not landing Serdyukov, not deliveries from 300, etc. there is still a lot .... The government will discredit itself. In the next election, even fraud will not help them.
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 14 June 2013 10: 04 New
          +3
          Manager (3) SU "... In the next election, even fraud will not help them."
          --------------------------------------------
          Do you still believe in “ELECTIONS” ?! But this is a continuous FARS and a performance for the “electorate” being played, by the way, for our money! Only the ARMY can say its word here, Boris Mironov speaks about this in his book "Jewish Igo" and I completely agree with him! Perhaps this was the main reason why the Army began to be destroyed! Today, it seems that some CHANGES have been outlined, God forbid, so that for the better, in any case, there’s a lot of “talking” on this topic. But there is a simple explanation for this, and I also wrote about this earlier. Gaddafi’s example was to serve as a LESSON for Putin and other representatives of the Russian and not only the authorities, what can they expect in the future if they completely ruin the ARMY! Here they will not be saved by any NAVORVENNY money, and therefore it is necessary to involuntarily engage in increasing the DEFENSE capabilities of the country! I'd like to believe that all the same, at least some kind of mind remained with them and the thirst for uncontrolled LIVING did not obscure everything ... And as for the ELECTIONS, I have such a verse, here is a link to it
          http://stihi.ru/2009/12/07/7152
          1. Manager
            Manager 14 June 2013 11: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: alexdol
            The army began to destroy

            Without Kvachkov, Khabarov and the like, the army becomes 10 times weaker.
          2. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 14 June 2013 20: 35 New
            +1
            Plus I put and add:
            Russia has two allies, the Fleet and the Army
      3. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 14 June 2013 20: 29 New
        0
        Who heard about the institution of Jewish wives?
        And Putin divorced his Jewish wife. Let them marry a Tatar.
  5. Bongo
    Bongo 14 June 2013 08: 23 New
    13
    In the article I especially "liked" that, in the breakdown of the agreement, all "dogs are hanged" on Medvedev. Like a secret for someone who actually, in fact, has been responsible for the last 12 years for everything that happens in the country.
    Some photos in the article "off topic", the author apparently does not distinguish between C-300P and C-300B, for a complete set there is not enough naval C-300F.
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 14 June 2013 22: 06 New
      +1
      the author is also not in the tooth with a foot what is TOR and TOR-M1E
  6. Nitarius
    Nitarius 14 June 2013 08: 24 New
    +2
    What our brains love, I don’t understand! Iran doesn’t seem to be against Russia. Why don’t I understand all this!
    Oh, this high policy, so that she
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 14 June 2013 09: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Nitarius
      Iran doesn’t seem to be against Russia. Why don’t I understand all this!

      You see, Iran is not against Russia, but it’s not a big friend either. Let’s say a pro-Western candidate comes to the polls in this Shiite republic and where these complexes will unfold! voices are heard more and more often about the search for a peaceful dialogue with the West. Not until yesterday, even one presidential candidate shouted about this from the rostrum! Let it be a PR for the sake of votes, but it means these voices exist! This is one thing.
      The other side of the issue is technology. We all remember how recently a copy of the Amer drone shot down by the Iranians took off safely in China. Where is the guarantee that the S-300 is just as safe in the same China! recourse
      Last but not least, the borders of the Caspian are controversial. Is it worth the country with which we have territorial claims to sell such weapons !? wink
      If these complexes are in Syria, then no one will open their mouths on Iran. So, they still have Thor behind their eyes.
      1. AK-47
        AK-47 14 June 2013 09: 28 New
        -4
        Quote: sergo0000
        ... the borders of the Caspian are controversial. Is it worth the country with which we have territorial claims to sell such weapons !?

        +++++++++ Not worth it! negative
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 14 June 2013 09: 35 New
          10
          Do you believe in the possibility of a full-scale conflict between the Russian Federation and the Islamic Republic of Iran? With China, the likelihood of such a conflict is much greater, the Chinese, even in school textbooks, designate our Far Eastern territory as our own. However, this does not prevent them from selling the most advanced Russian weapons to them, including the C-300PMU-2.
      2. fero
        fero 14 June 2013 09: 49 New
        +5
        In China, the S-300 already exists, it’s not clear what kind of re-export they’re afraid ... they’re “fooling” it, that’s all, Medvedev just caved in, now they don’t know what to do. Nedimon’s initiatives are being revised one after another and sooner or later will be canceled (pampering with time zones and time in general, the law on “zero” per mille, etc.) Madhouse.
      3. sanych
        sanych 14 June 2013 09: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: sergo0000
        Suppose a pro-Western candidate comes to the polls in this Shiite republic and where will these complexes unfold !?

        Let's not be like Israel! It is they in the defense systems who see a threat. Are we going to bomb Iran? No! Then how sideways do the Iranians “deploy” the S-300 in our direction ?! Iran is our neighbor, and we live with him! It is the Jews who are vitally interested in weak neighbors, to bomb sovereign states with impunity - their politics, hobbies, if you like! We have a different relationship with our environment!
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 14 June 2013 10: 16 New
          -1
          sanych
          Apparently the SVR of Russia, I do not agree with you. smile hi
      4. Gato
        Gato 14 June 2013 12: 10 New
        0
        Let's come to the polls

        By the way, elections began in Iran today. Let's see who comes.
      5. No_more
        No_more 14 June 2013 14: 07 New
        +1
        Will they deploy in our direction and begin to iron the territory of Russia with ground-to-air missiles using all the offensive power of their air defense?
        There is no official explanation for the refusal to supply C-300 to Iran, so it is an excuse for some UN resolution that does not apply to S-300. Very dark business.
  7. keeper
    keeper 14 June 2013 08: 36 New
    +5
    Damn, explain why Putin can’t cancel this Light President’s decree. I hope it is true that Medvedev played a giveaway - a specialist and they played the role of a bad and good cop in a great strategy game. If this is so, then we are waiting for Putin’s retaliatory move, otherwise I don’t understand.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 14 June 2013 08: 45 New
      +1
      tell us why they needed it? play "good-bad." We talk generally about the presidents of the largest country in the world
    2. Alexander-Tomsk
      Alexander-Tomsk 14 June 2013 09: 09 New
      +4
      Loss of authority, we are not our neighbors to wag booty back and forth, we will, we won’t. wink
      You can do it simply: let Medvedev pay these 4 lard greens from his own pocket, I think he has one. And the wolves are full and the sheep are safe. laughing
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 14 June 2013 09: 17 New
        +4
        those. Do you think, uv.zemlyak, that let him pay out of the stolen and calculated?
        I kind of hoped to hear “it is necessary to fulfill the contract”, and the stolen should be returned to the country, we have “victims” of incompetence (I put it mildly) no less than in Iran
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 June 2013 08: 50 New
    +8
    Our S-300 has become famous all over the world !!! How afraid of her in the West and in Israel. But this is a purely defensive weapon. NATO vultures are used to bombing states with impunity.
    1. sanych
      sanych 14 June 2013 10: 01 New
      +3
      Who is it on fair words MIKHAN minus slammed? Is the Israeli pilot on the site stuck ?! am
  9. Marconi41
    Marconi41 14 June 2013 08: 53 New
    0
    Unfortunately, Russia in this case is losing its reputation as a reliable partner. But our choice is small. After only the promise of deliveries of S-300 to Syria, a scandal broke out around the world. And if we give S-300 to Iran now, we’ll earn that same haemorrhage. Iran, after all, also has a muzzle in a cannon, finances ter. organizations advocating a global war with Israel, etc. Do not think that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. (I mean the USA) Iran has exclusively its goals supported by its clergy. And after a full possession of nuclear weapons, Iran’s behavior is not very predictable (remember what the Iranians think in the Caspian Sea). In general, we (the Russian Federation) will peck ... at what on all sides.
  10. omsbon
    omsbon 14 June 2013 08: 53 New
    +3
    Does Dima iPhone consider himself a world-class politician? Responsibility always lies with the one who signed, and not the one who advised.
    The obligations undertaken must be fulfilled!
  11. Dimitry
    Dimitry 14 June 2013 08: 55 New
    +2
    This contract is a trump card in the big game, which forces the West to make significant concessions to Russia in many topics, but the main thing is that Russia would not play too much .........
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 14 June 2013 08: 59 New
      +7
      this contract has not been fulfilled. so not long to lose the arms markets. who needs an unreliable seller?
  12. maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 14 June 2013 09: 02 New
    +6
    With the filing of Medvedev, soon there will simply be no buyers for our weapons, we are too unreliable partners. In order to at least somehow clean up our image, Putin urgently needs to cancel Medvedev’s decree and put complexes in Iran. How much can you pamper Uncle Sam?
  13. Syrzhn
    Syrzhn 14 June 2013 09: 10 New
    +3
    And once again you are convinced that all the wisdom of the world is collected in Russian proverbs, in this case: "An agreement is more expensive than money."
    1. sanych
      sanych 14 June 2013 10: 14 New
      +2
      There is another saying - "The law is not written for fools." Only the word “law” should be replaced by “contract”.
  14. Edward
    Edward 14 June 2013 09: 12 New
    +1
    Contracts need to be executed.
    S-300 shipments were banned precisely by decree of the President of Russia, and not by a UN Security Council resolution.
    Well, what can I add.
    The market is of course important, but more important to me is the attitude to these obligations.
  15. olviko
    olviko 14 June 2013 09: 22 New
    +7
    Quote: Scandinavian
    The Russian Zhidomasons are struggling to disrupt this deal .... stsuki

    Well then, let Israel, for which these liquid masons work, pay Iran 4 billion bucks for forfeit, Russia 900 million bucks for the lost contract + moral damage Russia suffered to please the United States and Israel.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 14 June 2013 09: 25 New
      +6
      Well, for this, the Russian Federation must sue them in an international court)), and for this it is necessary to recognize the fact of the management of these persons by our state.
    2. alexkross83
      alexkross83 14 June 2013 13: 06 New
      +1
      Logically :-) the most important cost-effective offer.
  16. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 14 June 2013 09: 39 New
    +2
    It’s interesting, but the iPhone man did at least something useful for the country, or he’s just Gorbachev version 2.0. For all sorts of resolutions and resolutions of the United Nations, some 20-30 years have been laid by a hefty bunch like that, except for the loser with the iPhone.
  17. Barabas
    Barabas 14 June 2013 09: 42 New
    +3
    here it is not necessary to bring down from a sick head to healthy.
    signed a contract - do it! or openly admit that you’re sitting on a hook and you can’t rock out! excuses like, DimOn ordered, this is for the gifted, we know who steers! And Syria, if you can destroy the militants at a pace, honor and praise ! if not, we will all bashfully hide our eyes and sigh “Well, I couldn’t!” Syria is not the first and alas, not the last country that a weakening Russia will surrender to the democrats!
  18. ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 14 June 2013 09: 42 New
    +1
    By Medvedev you need to bill for 4 billion dollars, the tax for a successfully acquired iPhone.
  19. Pacifist
    Pacifist 14 June 2013 09: 55 New
    -3
    How much pathos in some comments does he take the dumbest thing ... And did any of the commentators read the resolution? We actually signed it. And according to the UN Charter, Security Council decisions are binding. If the resolution says “missiles and missile systems,” I hope no one doubts that the S-300 missile system, and not a catapult to launch dumplings in passers-by, then the head of state has no choice but to block the execution of a contract that violates this resolution. This is a purely technical action. Another question is where did those who agreed on the text of the resolution look at ... so we went around here ourselves. Now one hope for judgment.
    In my opinion, of course, it is necessary to supply.
    1. Net
      Net 14 June 2013 10: 08 New
      +3
      Is a resolution retroactive? The contract was concluded in 2007, the money has been transferred, please do it. After all, we ourselves claim on the Syrian S-300 that deliveries will be carried out within the framework of previously concluded contracts.
      1. Pacifist
        Pacifist 14 June 2013 11: 23 New
        0
        Unfortunately, UN Security Council resolutions are binding, i.e. apply to previously concluded contracts. This has nothing to do with the situation in Syria; there is no resolution there. We blocked it.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 14 June 2013 12: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Pacifist
          Unfortunately, UN Security Council resolutions are binding, i.e. apply to previously concluded contracts.


          Mandatory, speak?

          The Russian authorities accused the Swedish government of not complying with UN Security Council (SB) resolutions regarding the closure of the Kavkaz Center website, recognized as extremist, RIA Novosti reported on Thursday, May 10.
          “This does not comply with paragraph 6 of Security Council resolution 1989, according to which financial sanctions should have been applied to this site, leading to the cessation of its activities,” Vitaly Churkin, Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations, said at a meeting of the Security Council.

          A year has passed, Kavkaz Center is still operating.
          Let me remind you: in June 2011, the UN Security Council adopted a special resolution of 1989 on the application of sanctions against Al Qaeda and its associated terrorist organizations, and on July 28, 2011, the UN Security Council Committee on Sanctions included a terrorist organization in the consolidated sanctions list The Caucasus Emirate (Caucasus Emirate) and its Caucasus-Center Internet resource located in Stockholm.

          And the trick question: for the courts, the UN Security Council resolution is binding?
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2013 10: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Pacifist
      I hope no one doubts that the S-300 missile system

      I have doubts. Air defense systems are not included in the category of "missiles and missile systems" of the UN Register of Conventional Arms. This is a separate category. And precisely because of this, the penalty was soldered to us; we have no legitimate reason for not fulfilling the contract.
      1. Pacifist
        Pacifist 14 June 2013 11: 30 New
        0
        Here there is a controversial moment that can be circumvented with the help of the court. Since there were no precedents, and all of our “partners” are yelling that the S-300 falls within this definition, a court can make a decision.
        Once again, I personally believe that it is necessary to supply, but given what forces are involved in this story, it is necessary, if we want to play within the framework of the general rules, reinforced concrete justification, this is a court decision.
        Although now we have one more argument for ignoring the opinions of any "partners". The decision on the supply of weapons to terrorists in Syria relieves us of any obligations with respect to these lousy and we can very loudly hit the table with our fist, putting complexes in Iran and Syria.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 June 2013 11: 44 New
          +4
          Dear, you do not agree with the Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Alexander Fomin?
          Russia has lost many hundreds of millions of dollars. In addition, there is a lawsuit in the international court, estimated at $ 4 billion, and the customer is absolutely right

          http://ria.ru/economy/20130301/925404685.html

          All our "partners" simply asked not to fulfill this contract. And then our "partners" increased the amount of the claim from Iranian 950 million dollars to 4 billion. One must think in order to thank Russia for taking care of their military pilots.
          1. Pacifist
            Pacifist 14 June 2013 12: 04 New
            +1
            Why do not agree? I just agree. I already said that in my opinion it is necessary to supply. You just need to understand the causes of the problem and the methods that you can use to overcome the problem.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 14 June 2013 12: 39 New
        +6
        Quote: Spade
        I have doubts. Air defense systems are not included in the category of "missiles and missile systems" of the UN Register of Conventional Arms.


        Shovels, you are right.
        Resolution 1929 of 2010 "Decides that all States will prevent the direct, indirect or indirect supply, sale or transfer to Iran of their territory or through it by their citizens or persons under their jurisdiction, or by the use of ships or aircraft under their flag - regardless of the country of origin - of any battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, combat helicopters, warships, missiles or missile systems, as defined for the purposes of the United Nations Register of Conventional Arms, or related materiel, including spare parts"

        BUT The conventional weapons category “Missiles and missile launchers” under paragraph 7 includes:

        - Guided or unguided missiles, ballistic or cruise missiles capable of delivering a warhead or means of destruction at a distance of at least 25 kilometers, and means designed or modified specifically for launching such guided or unguided missiles, if they do not belong to categories 1-6. For the purposes of reporting to the Wassenaar Arrangement Secretariat, category 7:
        a) also includes telepilot aircraft with missile characteristics, as defined above;
        b) does not include ground-to-air missiles.

        So good Medvedev pulled out more than a hundred billion rubles from the pocket of Russian taxpayers, for which more than one hospital, school or kindergarten could be built.
  20. Ramses_IV
    Ramses_IV 14 June 2013 10: 26 New
    +2
    The article is a fat plus. Indeed, it is not clear why the obligations were not fulfilled.
  21. Russ69
    Russ69 14 June 2013 10: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Ramses_IV
    The article is a fat plus. Indeed, it is not clear why the obligations were not fulfilled.

    Dimon, the iPhone contract has changed ...
  22. pensioner
    pensioner 14 June 2013 10: 29 New
    +1
    and what? Collect from gr. Medvedev transaction value and fines, the amount of which is agreed with Iran. And all business. And do not say that I will not pull this amount. Will pull.
  23. Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 10: 33 New
    +3
    And Putin is cool!

    By unilaterally fulfilling the Chernomyrdin-Gor protocol, Russia lost “only” 2.2 billion dollars. The Americans decided not to comply with the provisions of this protocol (refusal of supplies to Iran in exchange for military-technical cooperation). And now a penalty of 4 billion.

    Putin pumped twice as much money on contracts with Iran as the unforgettable Boris Nikolaevich. Keep it up.

    In general, the total lost benefit from the cessation of military-technical cooperation with Iran is estimated at $ 7 billion.
  24. deman73
    deman73 14 June 2013 10: 53 New
    +2
    It is necessary to put the complexes all the more so the fulfillment of the holy contracts and to put the demon under trial for treason
    1. bairat
      bairat 14 June 2013 12: 37 New
      0
      There is so much noise, and it’s all about quietly transporting these complexes across the Caspian Sea, and no one will know, and if he does, let him try to prove it in court.
      1. No_more
        No_more 14 June 2013 14: 12 New
        0
        So this could have been done if the Russian authorities wanted to import the S-300, but it was impossible. Here the situation is the opposite: it is possible to introduce, but the government does not want to do this and is looking for excuses, hiding the real reasons for unwillingness.
  25. USNik
    USNik 14 June 2013 10: 57 New
    0
    Putin pumped twice as much money on contracts with Iran as the unforgettable Boris Nikolaevich. Keep it up.

    Well, yes, again the GDP with Dam damned all the polymers. Our song is good, start from the beginning! 1 !!
    And if instead of fiery speeches, to think that this is just an excellent lever for putting pressure on a militant Iran, which was just at that time scumbling over the division of the Caspian? If you behave yourself, you will get a clear sky, you will behave like barbarians, to hell with you and not S-300!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2013 11: 18 New
      +3
      You are aware that 4 billion is almost 30 percent of last year’s arms exports. And about half of the revenue for this article. Do you think this is normal?
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 14 June 2013 18: 36 New
        +2
        USNik, you come to the store, pick up groceries, go to the checkout counter, and they say to you "the director of a nearby car depot asked you to wash the floors first." Will you go to this store?
        further, it will be much more convenient for Iran to solve the problems of dividing the Caspian if the Russian Federation sticks out to him 4 lard. well, and finally if the Iran is an enemy, what the hell is it to sell weapons, then not fulfill the contract and give him money? Buying off enemies is not a sign of a strong state, and signing a contract is a sign of a stupid state.
        another thought is closer to me - having Iran dependent on the Russian Federation (if they have our weapons, we service them, modernize, etc.), which puts them in some dependence on us. Thus, failure to fulfill the contract caused the Russian Federation only damage in reputation and nothing more. no benefits.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 14 June 2013 23: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        You are aware that 4 billion is almost 30 percent of last year’s arms exports. And about half of the revenue for this article. Do you think this is normal?

        All-companions are all like that. We sell weapons - they shout “buy for the Russian army first”, we don’t sell - they shout “Putin’s uncounted losses ... radish.” You decide to sell there or not to sell, or maybe more informed people are sitting in the government who are solving such issues?
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 14 June 2013 23: 46 New
          +1
          What does the all-enforcers have to do with it, if it comes to disrupting the contract due to the fault of Russia and, accordingly, a hefty damage ????
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 15 June 2013 02: 44 New
            0
            Quote: mehanik27
            What does the all-enforcers have to do with it, if it comes to disrupting the contract due to the fault of Russia and, accordingly, a hefty damage ????

            You do not know anything on this issue, and those who know will not say it is premature to draw conclusions about multibillion-dollar losses from information from the media.
            1. mehanik27
              mehanik27 15 June 2013 03: 11 New
              0
              Judging by how you bliss here, you know even less ...
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 15 June 2013 04: 08 New
                -1
                Quote: mehanik27
                Judging by how you bliss here, you know even less ...

                Are you sure you used the word "bliss" correctly?
                1. mehanik27
                  mehanik27 15 June 2013 12: 03 New
                  0
                  Are you sure you understand the meaning of the word "bliss" ????
  26. Max otto
    Max otto 14 June 2013 11: 01 New
    0
    Yes, everything is sad. But it seemed that Russia was rising, it was beginning to hold its head proudly, but no, it seemed ...
    P.S. And Russia and Iran have no problems with the Caspian Sea, because there is no common border; there is only something that Iranians can have with Iranians with Tajiks.
  27. pinecone
    pinecone 14 June 2013 11: 04 New
    +1
    Such a proposal on the part of the leadership of the Russian Federation looks simply mocking.
  28. Maximus69
    Maximus69 14 June 2013 11: 09 New
    0
    What do you think is hiding the black square in the last photo? What secret pterodactyl is there? Any suggestions?
  29. spirit
    spirit 14 June 2013 11: 43 New
    +1
    They would have offered them MANPADS instead of the C300. generally point is not iron in some (
  30. roial
    roial 14 June 2013 12: 03 New
    +2
    Again na ... whether partners Iran, Libya, Syria who is next ???
  31. Nikolko
    Nikolko 14 June 2013 12: 07 New
    +2
    Come on...
    This is the same thing that we ordered a diamond-antea, for example 20 S-400 for our army, and they told us: You will pay us for the S-400 and we will supply you with Thor. angry
    1. Batkamahno
      Batkamahno 14 June 2013 12: 34 New
      0
      compared the defense order with the supply of weapons to an ally of China))))) Torahs from Iran with 300 Syria Over Syrian territory to shoot down more conveniently, and if Israeli planes pass then the Torah is better
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 14 June 2013 18: 43 New
        +1
        so what? Iran is not only torahs, but also 4 billion to the load. Are you ready to pay? I don’t, I don’t have that kind of money, even if I sell the hut)) and here’s another strange thing, do you think Iran is not worthy of the s-300 (as I understand), so what for then they signed a contract for the supply of S-300? Can you explain to me? Or has our state already begun to cheat on international markets? Or is it a thieves' habit of leadership? Please explain, I can’t understand it myself
  32. imerkov
    imerkov 14 June 2013 12: 10 New
    +2
    Medvedev once again planted Russia under the USA and the West! Of course!!!!!!!!! Sorry for the Swiss bank accounts! All the same, it was necessary to heat Russia by 4 billion rubles!
  33. imerkov
    imerkov 14 June 2013 12: 10 New
    0
    Medvedev once again planted Russia under the USA and the West! Of course!!!!!!!!! Sorry for the Swiss bank accounts! All the same, it was necessary to heat Russia by 4 billion rubles!
  34. Batkamahno
    Batkamahno 14 June 2013 12: 22 New
    0
    And no one thought that it would be more profitable for Iran to say that they can have 300 than what they have. With 300 in this region, in the assembled state, they can increase the atmosphere and force opponents to use force. Even if not real, but at least by the same demonstrators. In Iran, not everything is ice right now after the sanctions and there are people who want to leave the stones for bucks. But while conversations are going on through the press and television, this is a game that can very well be won. If we threw Iran, it would have looked different. And so an occasion was created for constant conversations. But rumors can do a lot.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 14 June 2013 18: 50 New
      +1
      Well, if Iran wants to beat NATO planes, then yes, it’s profitable. Your version is quite acceptable. And if Iran does not want to fight, but just wants to conduct its independent policy, then very good.
      can you try to develop your idea? what if the Russian Federation wants everyone to attack it, then defeat everyone and grab another 1/6 of the land? so we are all told that Serdyukov is a scoundrel, but he actually strengthened the army and caught up to 75 in number million people, and the T-90 and armata are already hidden under the barracks in every unit. It’s also not a bad version, and it’s quite true to itself, otherwise the civilian population would have been enough in Russia and there would have been no need to bring in migrant workers.
      I think the irony is understandable?
  35. Hey
    Hey 14 June 2013 12: 47 New
    +5
    I think so. Ours are pulling in resolving the issue, awaiting the election results in Iran. With whom exactly will you have to work and what kind of policies will the one who comes to power carry, both internal and external. But according to the results, the final answer will be accepted.
    1. Batkamahno
      Batkamahno 14 June 2013 12: 56 New
      0
      Hmm, in principle, this is logical. You need to at least know the buyer
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 14 June 2013 18: 53 New
        +1
        “Hmm, in principle, this is logical. You need to at least know the buyer,” that is. I signed a contract for the supply of weapons of the Russian Federation with some incognito? Didn’t know to whom they would sell just to sell? Cool. When is the nearest exhibition there? I have long wanted to buy Akm and PC
    2. No_more
      No_more 14 June 2013 14: 17 New
      0
      By the way, yes. Somehow everyone forgot about it. Thank you for the only sound thought here.
  36. Blackwing
    Blackwing 14 June 2013 13: 05 New
    +2
    The iPhone is a rotten liberalist, for 4 years he has done a lot of business - Libya, Iran and Transnistria surrendered.
    But another thing is not clear, if the situation with Libya can not be reversed, then why Iran can not put the S-300. Moreover, they are ready to make such deliveries to Syria.

    Who believes that the supply of S-300 to Iran will lead to tension in the region is blind. If a single statement about deliveries to Syria has already cooled many hotheads and brought Russia geopolitical points, deliveries to Iran will raise Russia's authority to the highest level.

    I think that a compromise decision on Iran would be to supply 6 S-300PMU-1 air defense divisions, instead of 5 at the old price (so to speak for moral damage).
  37. rks5317
    rks5317 14 June 2013 13: 10 New
    +3
    Jews from Washington and Tel Aviv asked Kremlin Jews .... And the question is resolved ... So yes? ... (So they say to each other) ... And the losses of Russia? ... THEY by that time will finally finish Russia and they will dump them with stolen billions abroad ... And their mission conceived by world Jewry to destroy Russia in the 19th century will be fulfilled. And ANY losses of Russia will not worry them anymore ... And half-drunk-half-pumped drugs-marginals will continue to shout ... RUSSIA ... But it already will not be ... Here is such a gloomy forecast for the next 3-5 years ...
  38. Farvil
    Farvil 14 June 2013 13: 14 New
    0
    Our leadership needs to act in the interests of their country and not in the interests of the West, they constantly throw us and always wanted to spit on our interests, which in their opinion should not be like the losing side.
  39. alexkross83
    alexkross83 14 June 2013 13: 19 New
    0
    The issue of contracts and deliveries was voiced just in time for the implementation of contracts with Syria ... does this coincidence seem strange? Of course, we will fulfill the contract, through Iran to Syria, reliably and safely.
    1. rks5317
      rks5317 14 June 2013 15: 58 New
      +1
      Holy naivety ...
  40. Katsin
    Katsin 14 June 2013 13: 43 New
    +1
    Question to the forum users: is everything that is bad for America automatically automatic for Russia? I’ll ask more specifically: for America and Israel, atomic weapons in the hands of Iran are very bad. Does this mean good for Russia?
    1. ultra
      ultra 14 June 2013 14: 03 New
      +1
      For Russia, atomic weapons in Iran and India and Pakistan and Israel are not good! For America, I think too! In Iran, unlike the others mentioned above, there are no nuclear weapons! hi
      1. rks5317
        rks5317 14 June 2013 16: 17 New
        +4
        Belarus. Iran. Syria and North Korea are the only ones on this Earth. They have not bowed to the United States and for this reason are strategic allies of Russia ... But not the Kremlin ... Any leader of the USSR is Stalin. Khrushchev. Brezhnev. Andropov (but not a traitor and a traitor Gorbachev) in such a situation would not have hesitated to put any weapons in the indicated countries. capable of stopping the aggressor ... But not the current Krelezhelyateli. worthy successors of the Gorbachev-Eltsind case ... Nothing. someday RUSSIAN will enter OUR KREMLIN too .. . Only then can it be late ...
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 14 June 2013 18: 57 New
          0
          rks5317, Venezuela is not forgotten?
          1. rks5317
            rks5317 14 June 2013 19: 14 New
            0
            Venezuela could have been added under Chavez — his successor seems to intend to reconsider relations with the Yankees ...
    2. Badger
      Badger 14 June 2013 15: 20 New
      0
      this is not good.
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  41. Titanium02
    Titanium02 14 June 2013 13: 59 New
    +1
    At the same time, President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran, which Israel and the United States threatened with bombing, and did so in full view of the world. This casts doubt on Russia's position as a reliable supplier of weapons, which is a rather specific product.

    Definitely threw ... And the highest state order gave the main traitor of national interests ...
    1. Badger
      Badger 14 June 2013 15: 09 New
      0
      And this goat in London and "washed it"
    2. Badger
      Badger 14 June 2013 15: 24 New
      0
      And this goat in London and "washed"
  42. kind
    kind 14 June 2013 14: 53 New
    +1
    At the same time, President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran, which Israel and the United States threatened with bombing, and did so in full view of the world.

    He also sold a piece of our sea on the sly, and so did not justify it. Oh how Kolyma mines cry for it!
  43. Svyatoslav72
    Svyatoslav72 14 June 2013 14: 58 New
    +2
    If the Russian Federation does not want to supply Three Hundreds to Iran, there are three options:
    1. Either rulers are exiled rams and unprincipled cotton suckers.
    2. Or three hundred do not fulfill what they attribute.
    3. Either there is no one else to do three hundred, or not and why.
    There can be no other options. If a contract is signed, and it is politically and economically advantageous, no one should stand in the way. Installation to deliver. To teach to use. AND! in the event of a conflict, to conduct demonstration launches on the aggressor, so as not to mess up the honor and demonstrate the performance characteristics of the products.
    1. rks5317
      rks5317 14 June 2013 19: 20 New
      0
      Look at YouTube - PUTIN in the historical homeland ... I think that after viewing you will have clarity in this and other issues ...
  44. Badger
    Badger 14 June 2013 15: 07 New
    0
    Here put a pig Dimon! IPhone is dumb.
  45. stoqn477
    stoqn477 14 June 2013 15: 15 New
    -1
    If you continue in the same spirit of breaking agreed, very soon you will lose the few remaining markets.
    1. rks5317
      rks5317 14 June 2013 19: 24 New
      0
      It would be more likely to lose all markets ... Maybe then the RUSSIAN army will get new weapons ...
  46. ksan
    ksan 14 June 2013 15: 28 New
    +1
    Yes, the situation with the non-delivery of S-300 to Iran is clearly "ugly." A country claiming to be a world power should not behave this way. Russia will lose its reputation as a reliable partner (and so is "soaked"), and a holy place is never empty. Iran after that just reoriented to China, and Russia, instead of gaining more, will also suffer losses (4 billion). The Chinese have long been offering their “clones” of Russian samples around the world. So it will be with the S-300 and Iran. It is necessary to look for ways to get out as “diplomatically” from this story and put the S-300 to Iran. By the way, Iran then stopped all negotiations with Russia on procurement. And this is the negotiations on the procurement of Tu-204 and further cooperation in the "peaceful atom." And China did not make any promises in connection " with additional Security Council sanctions, "so there’s nothing surprising if there are Chinese-made S-300" clones "in Iran
  47. kipr12s
    kipr12s 14 June 2013 16: 24 New
    +2
    Dmitry Anatolyevich caved in, and Russia must now pay, so let him pay the sixth himself. : -X
  48. kipr12s
    kipr12s 14 June 2013 16: 31 New
    0
    Dmitry Anatolyevich caved in, and Russia must now pay, so let him pay the sixth himself. : -X
  49. homosum20
    homosum20 14 June 2013 17: 09 New
    0
    I don’t understand anything on Friday, after the fifth pile .... For example, I don’t understand, but what prevents us from supplying S-300 to Iran and getting almost 1 billion USD? If I had a s-300, I would have got it today. Especially Geneva for. Is there nowhere to go?
    Look at Prokhorov, Deripaska, Fox, Mordashov, these billions do not interfere with life.
  50. slaventi
    slaventi 14 June 2013 17: 25 New
    0
    The State Department said it was necessary, the Demon said there is nothing surprising. Whoever put the Demon to it and serves. You can correct the situation. If you can’t put the C-300 now. You can deliver medium-range air defense missiles to Iran, for example, the BUK-2 M. They will also be useful to Iran. In the event of adverse events in Syria, the subsequent delivery of C-300.