Iran does not agree with the replacement of C-300 on the air defense system "Thor"

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The situation around the supply of C-300 air defense systems to Iran has been continued. According to RIA News, Iran has not yet made a final decision on whether the country will insist on Russia paying compensation in the amount of about 4 billion dollars for refusing to supply C-300. About this on Tuesday, 11 June, said Deputy Foreign Minister of Iran Hossein Amir Abdollahiyan. According to him, Tehran still expects to find a more constructive solution to this problem. The search for the most effective solution for this issue for the two sides is currently ongoing.

According to the details of the amicable agreement, which the Russian authorities are ready to conclude with Iran, leaked in the media, Moscow is ready to supply Tehran with Tor-M1E air defense systems, and in a fairly short time. However, Iran, of course, is not satisfied with such a proposal. Currently, in Tehran, they are ready to withdraw a lawsuit against Russia for 4 billion dollars only in the case of the delivery of C-300 complexes to the country. There is nothing unusual in this, if we consider that the “Thor” complex proposed to Iran is an air defense system of a completely different class. The Tor-MXNXX air defense missile system is a short-range system that can be integrated into Iranian air defense, but only as one of the elements, it simply cannot replace the C-1, since these are systems of different purposes with different tactics. technical characteristics. At the same time, experts recognize that the Russian C-300 air defense system is absolutely necessary for Tehran to ensure the security of the country from a possible air attack.

History Iran’s lawsuit against Rosoboronexport filed with the Geneva Arbitration Court began last year, and even then the Russian side admitted that there was practically no chance of winning the court. Until recently, Moscow did not comment on the course of the trial with Tehran, but recently the general director of the Rostec state corporation (formerly called “Russian Technologies”) Sergei Chemezov at the opening of the military plant in Jordan said: “We are trying to negotiate a settlement agreement with Iran, so far special results. "

It is worth recalling that the contract for the supply of Tehran 5 divisions S-300PMU-1 (total cost of about 900 million dollars) was signed back in 2007 year. This agreement immediately caused sharp discontent on the part of Israel and the United States. After 3 a year later, the UN Security Council adopted another resolution on Iran, which condemned the country's leadership for not wanting to stop its own nuclear program. This document introduced new sanctions against Tehran, including a ban on the transfer of modern weapons to Iran.

Iran does not agree with the replacement of C-300 on the air defense system "Thor"

In September, 2010, then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree on measures to implement the resolution adopted by the UN Security Council. After this, the path to the delivery of the C-300 air defense system to Iran was blocked. In response to this step, the Iranian state-owned company Aerospace Industries Organization and the Iranian Ministry of Defense filed a lawsuit with the Geneva Arbitration Court. The lawsuit against Rosoboronexport requires payment of 4 billion dollars. This amount was made up of the cost of the C-300 contract itself, the cost of preparing systems for setting up air defense systems on combat duty and moral damage. According to some data, this amount was also included a penalty on other military contracts between the countries, starting from 1995, when, as part of the Gore-Chernomyrdin agreement, Russia refused to supply weapons to Iran.

At the same time, Iran argued that the C-300 air defense system does not fall under the resolution adopted by the UN. According to this resolution, the delivery of "missiles and missile systems" to Tehran is prohibited, but the resolution does not contain subcategories of ground-to-air missiles. Vladimir Yevseyev, director of the Center for Socio-Political Studies, notes that Russia's position is really vulnerable, the supply of C-300 was banned by a decree of the Russian president, and not by a UN Security Council resolution.

Understanding that the risk of losing this case in court is very high, the Russian authorities offered Iran an alternative in the form of supplies of the Tor-M1E air defense system. In 2012, Tehran received the latest 29 complexes of this system under a contract concluded in 2005. Among the advantages of this proposal is the fact that the Iranian military has already sufficiently studied and mastered these complexes. Moreover, in case of reaching the relevant agreements, Russia promises to form a schedule for deliveries of the air defense system in such a way as to reduce the time of their transfer to the customer to a minimum.

Naturally, Iran is not satisfied with such a proposal. The range of the Russian C-300 complex on the 1,5 order exceeds that of Tor-M1 in range (150 km. Vs. 10-12 km.) And significantly in altitude (almost 30 km. From C-300 and 10 km. From "Thor-M1"). Tehran also noted the fact that the Tor-М1Е complexes already purchased from Russia are quite sufficient, and the Russian C-300 system is the priority for the country.

LAW "Tor-M1E"

The fact that negotiations between countries are underway indicates that Russia does not feel comfortable in connection with the lawsuit filed by Iran and is trying to find a way out of the crisis, said Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies. In turn, Vladimir Yevseyev believes that the signing of a new agreement on the supply of arms between the countries is possible, since at present the Iranian armed forces have many gaps that Tehran needs to fill. At the same time, the expert believes that Iran will be as scrupulous as possible in this matter and will take only what the country cannot yet produce on its own or buy from the PRC. After the conclusion of the agreement, Gore-Chernomyrdin in Iran is generally quite skeptical about the development of military-technical cooperation with Russia. Then our country suffered significant image losses, as it was able to convince many that it was subject to Western influence on MTC issues.

According to Kommersant, sources close to Rosoboronexport claim that, despite Iran’s willingness to compromise, Russia will continue to seek the withdrawal of the lawsuit from Geneva from Tehran and is ready to conduct a “long trial”. The stakes in this dispute are really very high: 4 billion dollars is almost ¼ Russia's annual revenue from arms sales, according to the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, the arms trade brought the country 2012 billion dollars only in 15,16 year.

The fact that Moscow nevertheless offered Iran a replacement in the form of one air defense system to another, quite eloquently indicates that the ban on 2010 of the year was originally a common hypocrisy. If Russia so piously believed in the presence of international legal restrictions on the supply of C-300 air defense systems to Tehran, then at present it is offering Iran the same type of weapons, but with a significantly smaller radius of action. The groundlessness of Dmitry Medvedev’s refusal to supply complexes under a contract concluded between countries was already visible.

According to the resolution, which did not take into account the ground-to-air missiles, Russia could put C-300 air defense systems to Iran on absolutely legal grounds. Even in the US administration, in which they knew very well that the resolution adopted by the Security Council did not prevent Russia from selling air-defense complexes to Iran, it seemed that they did not expect Moscow to decide to disarm Iran. Upon seeing the decree signed by the Russian president, the White House was most likely stunned by the fact that the then Russian leadership suddenly decided to become "holier than the Pope of Rome."


In the “bottom line” of disrupting this contract, Russia received a “net” minus in the amount of 900 million dollars, plus an additional minus in the amount of 4 billion dollars, which the Geneva arbitration will most likely force Moscow to pay to Tehran. The fact that this trial is obviously losing for the Russian side was also acknowledged by the head of Rostec corporation, Sergey Chemezov, and the head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, Alexander Fomin.

In this case, the damage to our country from the failure of this contract is not limited to the loss of money. In the arms business, as in no other, it is customary to always fulfill the obligations assumed by the supply. The weapon does not belong to the category of ordinary "secular" goods: it must absolutely and without fail and operate in time, otherwise it is worthless. Sometimes the buyer is even ready to seriously overpay the contract, but at the same time be confident in the reliability and timeliness of supply. Reliability includes not only the quality of the weapons sold, but also the supplier’s readiness for subsequent maintenance and, if necessary, upgrading the products supplied. From such a complex of reliability over the years, the authority of the seller is formed, which cannot be purchased for any amount.

At the same time, President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran, which Israel and the United States threatened with bombing, and did so in front of the whole world. This casts doubt on Russia's position as a reliable supplier of weapons, which is a rather specific product. Certainly, some potential buyers of Russian weapons will now first think about: “But will they refuse to deliver me at the most inopportune moment, leaving me unprotected in the face of mortal danger if I am declared an enemy of the United States, Israel or the whole West.” Such potential losses of Russia from outstanding contracts are quite difficult to estimate in monetary terms. However, it is possible to say with all certainty that 4 billion dollars, which Iran has requested, will seem against this background as an insignificant amount.

Experts believe that the main Russian losses from non-fulfillment of the Iranian contract will not be material, but geopolitical. They represent a great danger for Moscow. Having deprived Iran of powerful defensive armament, Russia left this country without adequate protection from bombing and shelling with cruise missiles. Iran and without the Russian air defense systems will defend much better than the Saddam regime that has scattered overnight, but from a military point of view, the forces in this conflict will be clearly unequal. It cannot be excluded that with time the American-Israeli military coalition will succeed in changing the political leadership in Tehran, turning Iran into its ally.


For Russia, this is a very bad option. After that, the entire arc of the so-called Greater Middle East, with its huge hydrocarbon reserves, which encircles Russia from the south, will be controlled by America. After that, it is unlikely that someone will need different “northern” and “southern” flows, in which Gazprom invests billions of euros today, if the West succeeds in establishing full control over the region, where the prime cost of producing the main energy resources of the planet is several times lower than on deposits in Russia. After that, it is unlikely that anyone will remember the costs that Russia will incur on the international arms market.

At the same time, the loss of the role of the great energy superpower, which Russian authorities and politicians so fond of defying, can only seem like “flowers” ​​compared to the threat to the territorial integrity of Russia, which may appear to our country in the event of Iran’s “fall”. After the conquest of the Iranian springboard, the main world "democratizers", leaving not only Moscow, but also Beijing, will continue to move east and north. At the same time, Russia, like the PRC, will face infiltration of instability, as well as subversive activities at its borders. This may be the true cost of the refusal of President Dmitry Medvedev and his entourage to supply Iran with the C-300 air defense system. The refusal, which hesitates to abolish, and the current top leadership of the country, headed by Vladimir Putin.

Information sources:
-http: //www.kommersant.ru/doc/2208206
-http: //www.km.ru/world/2013/06/09/yadernaya-programma-irana/712777-rossiya-serezno-vlipla-otkazavshis-postalyly-iran
-http: //ria.ru/trend/russia_iran_missile_11062013
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  1. +65
    14 June 2013 07: 59
    If in doubt, then it was not necessary to sign a contract, and if they signed, then it was necessary to fulfill.
    1. +20
      14 June 2013 09: 12
      Iran does not agree with the replacement of C-300 on the air defense system "Thor"


      No wonder, they are far from the same thing. For the West, "Thor" is not a deterrent, but the S-300 makes it necessary to remove weapons away from the warehouse, especially if there are enough divisions.
      1. cartridge
        +34
        14 June 2013 09: 33
        .... President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran, which Israel and the United States threatened with bombing, and did so in full view of the world. This casts doubt on Russia's position as a reliable supplier of weapons.
        After the conquest of the Iranian bridgehead, the world's leading “democratizers", leaving not only Moscow but also Beijing, will continue their movement east and north. At the same time, Russia, like China, will be awaited by the infiltration of instability, as well as subversive activities at its borders. Such may be the true cost of the refusal of President Dmitry Medvedev and his entourage to supply S-300 air defense systems to Iran. The refusal, which is hesitant to cancel, is also the current top leadership of the country, headed by Vladimir Putin.


        Historical justice for me looks like this:
        Gorbachu - gallows number 1, iPhone - number 2 !!!
        1. +18
          14 June 2013 10: 37
          A Chubais shoot chtoli ?? There is a lot of honor. IPhone - No. 3 !!
          1. +17
            14 June 2013 11: 18
            Quote: retired
            A Chubais shoot chtoli ??


            On stake! Yes
            1. +2
              14 June 2013 12: 05
              So while it will be bent still to have time to do some chynyed. More reliable rope.
          2. Yarbay
            +9
            14 June 2013 13: 43
            Quote: retired
            A Chubais shoot chtoli ?? There is a lot of honor. IPhone - No. 3 !!

            Quote: cartridge
            Gorbachu - gallows number 1, iPhone - number 2 !!!

            Do you really believe that an iPhone could make such a decision on its own ???
            1. +3
              14 June 2013 15: 24
              Quote: Yarbay
              Quote: retired
              A Chubais shoot chtoli ?? There is a lot of honor. IPhone - No. 3 !!

              Quote: cartridge
              Gorbachu - gallows number 1, iPhone - number 2 !!!

              Do you really believe that an iPhone could make such a decision on its own ???


              IPhone just do zombies. He does not have a single thought of his own.

              At the expense of the gallows, the thought is good, it is a pity that public executions are not in our traditions.
            2. +1
              14 June 2013 15: 27
              I agree. Medvedev is a puppet of Putin. He needed a bear so that he would have his own in power and that no one would stop him from coming for a new term. Without Putin, nothing can be resolved, and indeed Putin is in power for a year, and the refusal to supply has not been canceled.
              1. +4
                14 June 2013 17: 51
                Quote: AntonR7
                I agree. Medvedev is a puppet of Putin. He needed a bear so that he would have his own in power and that no one would stop him from coming for a new term. Without Putin, nothing can be resolved, and indeed Putin is in power for a year, and the refusal to supply has not been canceled.

                Such may be the true cost of the refusal of President Dmitry Medvedev and his entourage to supply Iran with S-300 air defense systems. The refusal, which is hesitant to cancel, is also the current top leadership of the country, headed by Vladimir Putin.

                This is what worries Putin’s soft policy in foreign policy. Failure to complete the delivery of C-300 to Iran, and Syria only promises ... where is the hardness ?! If such a policy continues, soon the president’s word will mean nothing and very few people will buy weapons from us.
        2. donchepano
          +5
          14 June 2013 10: 56
          Quote: cartridge
          ... President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran,

          Committee 300 decided, Chubats passed, Dimon did (signed)
        3. +5
          14 June 2013 12: 17
          EBN forgot for justice)))
        4. +9
          14 June 2013 13: 28
          Remove Yeltsin, load the "Tsar - cannon", and shoot in the direction of the setting sun. For our men! How many were laid in Chechnya, betrayed ... the peoples quarreled, we still rake them. Every day I walk past the vocational school where friends studied, acquaintances, a memorial plaque with photographs hangs, the guys from it look at passers-by. It hurts to tears.
          1. +4
            14 June 2013 13: 59
            why should I shoot a bullet into space. wait for the next "march of millions" and there ... everyone will get a piece of their idol. All 15 people. And work with a gaidar from above. To guarantee ...
        5. Ar4ii
          +1
          14 June 2013 20: 47
          it's time to introduce triples
        6. optimist
          +1
          14 June 2013 23: 33
          What then needs to be done with the current "guarantor"? After all, Iran is not averse to "forgive" Russia if the supplies are still fulfilled? I ask this question to ardent putinoids. When it dawns on you that humpbacked = ebn = chubais = vvp = ladies = ...
          Py Sy. Until now, there is no reliable data that the S-300 delivered to Syria. And NATO is already preparing for the intervention ...
      2. +9
        14 June 2013 10: 40
        Well, why is our Ministry of Defense stupid ... S-300 cannot be sold? Okay, we take 1 S-300 complex, blurt out the TOR-M1ESM nameplate (supermodernized) and voila we sell "Torah" to Iran bully or you can make it even more elegant, sell the car sets "Torov" - well, the fact that the Iranians accidentally assemble the S-300 from them, well, it's not our fault that they are so "illiterate" and read the assembly instructions backwards good
        1. +2
          14 June 2013 11: 52
          Quote: Yuri3005
          or you can make it even more elegant, sell the car sets "Torov" - well, the fact that the Iranians accidentally assemble the S-300 from them, well, it's not our fault that they are so "illiterate" and read the assembly instructions backwards
          - Insert the files into the set and mark in the instructions: "After assembly, file with a file!" Not processed? Do not be surprised that a different complex turns out laughing
        2. rolik
          +2
          14 June 2013 12: 37
          Quote: Yuri3005
          0, blurt out the nameplate TOR-M1ESM

          It will be easier to add the letter "K" and there will be KS 300 (which means - kirdyk USA, call it meteorological equipment, and that's all.
        3. +1
          14 June 2013 17: 03
          Why such difficulties, because it is said that the UN resolution did not prohibit the supply of this type of weapon. You just need to cancel the decree of the Bear and sell the S-300. We’ll make it ourselves and invest in the defense industry and Iran will be protected from the United States.
        4. 0
          14 June 2013 22: 05
          Even 10 years ago, the Iranians came to watch "TOR", and they just examined this particular machine, which is shown here in the photo, which is not even TOR-M1E ... so they can figure out that they can be punctured in a couple of seconds.
      3. alexkross83
        +3
        14 June 2013 12: 57
        For the West, the deterrence factor in Iran is not the S-300 complexes, but the economic interests of China .... it is strange why the article does not say that 70% of the energy resources in China are the money invested by China in this industry in Iran ... who can imagine that China will remain without energy resources? What would you do in such a situation with a powerful army and nuclear deterrence forces? What would you do, knowing that your country would be completely deprived of energy resources?
        1. 0
          14 June 2013 13: 19
          The point is that the United States critically needs to contain the growth of China. And that is precisely why there is such a hysteria around Iran. And it is precisely for this reason that Iran was "thanked" for its assistance in the occupation of Afghanistan by being included in the "axis of evil"
      4. Explore
        +7
        14 June 2013 13: 58
        I do not want to comment on the fact of "throwing" Iran. Maybe some of our politicians are afraid of a war with him (although this is rather delusional).
        I have a different question. We promised the S-300 Long-Range Complex (radius - up to 150-200 km). We made a contract and ... We threw it.
        Now we want to sell another product. But no. Not another Long Range Complex (earlier modifications of the S-300), not Mid Range Complex (Buk-M2E with a radius of 45-50 km), and not even old Low Range complexes (Cube-M3 with a radius of 25 km). No we offer short range complexes Tor, which with a radius of 10 km, are designed to cover divisions and brigades of SV, but not for a full-fledged air defense of the country.
        And we are surprised at the failure of Iran ...
      5. +2
        14 June 2013 17: 43
        At the same time, President Dmitry Medvedev simply “threw” Iran,

        No wonder he got an iPhone
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    3. +1
      14 June 2013 09: 15
      My opinion is why - at least some adequate answer to why Medvedev did this,
      otherwise he is just a false Dmitry pest.
      It is possible to re-export from Iran some quantity of weapons, it is possible to dismantle the warheads of missiles,
      it’s not so simple, remember the Chinese who steal technology, Iran has a nuclear program, here any help is suitable for its development, they need design solutions. And in c300 everything is compact and digestible. Another thing is that to disassemble the entire head part does not work.
      1. fartfraer
        +8
        14 June 2013 09: 19
        but before signing the contract they didn’t think about it? in that case, what kind of specialists are we responsible for selling weapons)) the price is worthless to such specialists (this is if you are right)
    4. RUSSIA 2013
      +6
      14 June 2013 09: 34
      Yes, this Medvedev just screwed up, the S-300 needs to be sold to Iran, the contract is a contract, all the more so under the UN resolution the S-300 does not fall into the general rule of Medvedev for Russia, it’s not shaky, there’s nothing easier to remember, nothing to remember, Yes, I remembered nanotechnology. Yes, and how the prime minister made a mess in his ministry, one defense service that is worth it, he wants to run for president again, everything is not enough for him.
      1. RUSSIA 2013
        +2
        14 June 2013 11: 08
        INFORMATION ON THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN SYRIA FABRICATED - GUNS

        The head of the Russian State Duma’s Foreign Affairs Committee Alexei Pushkov calls the fabricated information on the use of chemical weapons in Syria, RIA Novosti reported.

        On Friday, the White House said that by using chemical weapons, the Syrian government crossed the US-established borders, and America will respond to this.

        “The data on the use of chemical weapons by (Bashar) Assad were fabricated in the same place as the lies about weapons of mass destruction at Hussein. Obama is following George W. Bush’s path, ”Pushkov wrote Friday in his microblog on Twitter.

    5. +5
      14 June 2013 09: 36
      Here Dima-iPhone and leaked the contract! There was no need to sign anything, which violates the terms of the contract! Damn, for some reason OSHA (USA *, M. Zadornov) defends its interests, and we, like ... babies, were born only yesterday! Now, the OSHA said today that, according to their intelligence, Assad used chemical weapons! Oyuhehet !!! According to their mother, intelligence !!! Who is this your intelligence ?!
      And now they are going to supply weapons to the militants ... critters!
      So we had to act, declare some kind of yuhnya and give a shit about the resolutions of the UN and other homosexuals!
      Dima should teach back to the institute ...
      1. 0
        14 June 2013 09: 58
        Quote: KILLAvolt
        Here Dima-iPhone and leaked the contract!

        People hawala, still someone believes that DAM has decided and is deciding. laughing

        Quote: KILLAvolt
        Who is this your intelligence ?!

        None laughing
        The problem is not in intelligence, but in decisions made on its data

        Quote: KILLAvolt
        So we had to act, declare some kind of yuhnya and give a shit about the resolutions of the UN and other homosexuals!

        About homosexuals - understandably, but about the UN decision - in more detail
        UN General Assembly condemns Syria, and with it China and Russia
        About 132 countries have approved a resolution formulated by Saudi Arabia condemning the events in Syria. This happened during a special session on Friday. 12 countries, including Russia and China, voted against the resolution, 31 states abstained from voting.

        Quote: KILLAvolt
        Dima must teach back to the institute

        In 12 years he will return. When the 2-term GDP on galleys is finished. laughing
        1. 0
          14 June 2013 10: 18
          Quote: atalef
          In 12 years he will return

          IMHO - Will never come back !!!
      2. 0
        14 June 2013 16: 51
        Dima has to go to the camera. To attach the ... 4 billion + 900 million to the expenditures of the Ministry of Defense, to generalize the matter into one production and this whole gang to Kolyma
    6. +2
      14 June 2013 11: 19
      The current Russian government starts any problem for PR, scores points on it, but keeps it in a "smoldering" state and never completely solves it. Thus, problems accumulate, smolder and can always flare up with renewed vigor, taking away the resources of the country and the people.

      I think that Iran will take a long time to decide whether or not to file a lawsuit for 4 billion against Russia, and Russia will break down for a long time, because the leadership will use this topic for bargaining with the West, and Iran, if it files a claim and wins it, then "accidentally" he will lose a small trump card in his "trade". Of course, Iran wants to have these complexes in service. He does not want to finally resolve this issue with Russia for 4 million, finally cutting off the path to political bargaining in the face of a serious and real threat.

      This is proved by the situation with the delivery of S-300 to Syria. The leadership does not say definitively yes or no - there is always a solid "maybe", which is what drives wars and problems into an eternally smoldering state
    7. 0
      14 June 2013 15: 23
      Quote: Tarpon
      If in doubt, then it was not necessary to sign a contract, and if they signed, then it was necessary to fulfill.


      No doubt about it. The iPhone came in here, and so stuck in that they still couldn’t extract it. I’m wondering what conditions should be on the part of America so that the Russian Federation refuses to comply with the contract? The losses are unrealistic, starting with material and ending with geopolitical ...
      1. 0
        15 June 2013 01: 25
        Quote: Geisenberg
        what are the conditions on the part of americana so that the Russian Federation refuses to comply with the contract

        1) At a minimum, a new iPhone is the earliest in Russia for a specific organism.
        2) Perhaps - a big sick loot on the roof of this organism.
        I do not observe other options.
    8. +1
      14 June 2013 17: 02
      Being scammers is bad. Especially at a high level. Lied time - who will believe you ....
      1. kavkaz8888
        +1
        14 June 2013 20: 22
        Amer breeze when they need to. And all hawala. And Amer FSUs at all.
    9. 0
      14 June 2013 18: 25
      At least three scenarios: 1) Geneva will do everything for Iran to lose; 2) The decision will be in favor of Iran and will have to put :-); 3) Money through Iran will go to support the allies :-).
      1. 0
        14 June 2013 21: 47
        Quote: ImPerts
        At least three scenarios: 1) Geneva will do everything for Iran to lose; 2) The decision will be in favor of Iran and will have to put :-); 3) Money through Iran will go to support the allies :-).

        Option 4) they lose the court and take 4 yards from Israel as Benya persuaded not to deliver these complexes to Iran.
    10. +1
      14 June 2013 19: 12
      Afraid - don't do it. Did - do not be afraid!
  2. -5
    14 June 2013 08: 00
    Well, to say the Torah is also a good alternative, but I would dilute the 1 contract with the X-NUMX division. Although if you think about it, it is better to have a state with nuclear weapons with which we have disputed water borders than a state with which there are also disputed territories and will completely destabilize and help radicalize the entire Caucasian region and capable of bringing down our economy. It must be sent to a further confrontation.
    1. fartfraer
      +18
      14 June 2013 08: 30
      Not a bad alternative, you say?) I can imagine how you come to buy a cargo Mercedes (let's say), and they roll out an old Volkswagen passenger car and say that this is a "good alternative". The contract was signed for the S-300.
      by such actions the Russian Federation will substitute itself in the world arms markets.
      1. 0
        14 June 2013 12: 23
        C-300 will not be delivered to Iran, percent of 80 that this will not happen because the lobby of the USA and Israel is still very strong. As for the alternative, this is better than nothing because no one will sell them, well, except for China, the quality is doubtful. For them, the tori are especially needed for cover, for the first, mountainous terrain, the second, if they attack, they will first crush air defense with cruise missiles and the tori are just well, at least in words, and are intended for cruise and other purposes. In fact, it’s much easier to buy 200 tori, which have almost the same chance of shooting down the same missiles in Iran than the c-300.
        I don’t argue with 300, but Iran doesn’t have much choice. And they themselves understand, otherwise they would have stood on c-300 without considering other systems.
        1. +1
          14 June 2013 14: 13
          In general, the situation is not so clear. On the one hand, yes, they promised, they signed a contract, please. Again, the presence of the C300 in Iran will make the United States and Israel seriously think about striking. On the other hand, if Iran, under the cover of the C300, creates nuclear weapons and changes the foreign policy vector, it may turn out that Russia will receive a hostile neighbor with nuclear weapons and the Russian C300 covered in air. The only way out, as I see it, is to allow Iran to strengthen its army with conventional weapons, including with the help of the C300, but categorically prohibit the creation of nuclear weapons and strictly monitor this, while the Russian Federation must follow.
  3. +6
    14 June 2013 08: 05
    Amer will soon openly sell weapons to Syrian rebels. And then ... There are no words.
    1. +3
      14 June 2013 09: 40
      Do not sell, but supply for nothing. The rebels (read the terrorists) do not have legal financial instruments, it’s not a carry box. winked Is it that the Saudis will denyuyu for them what
  4. +15
    14 June 2013 08: 09
    The Russian Zhidomasons are struggling to disrupt this deal .... stsuki
    1. fartfraer
      +6
      14 June 2013 08: 32
      Jewish masons can only be done through their people in power. Name their surnames, U. Scandinavian
    2. +10
      14 June 2013 09: 08
      Scandinavian SU "Russian Jew-masons are trying with all their might to disrupt this deal .... stsuki"
      ----------------------------------------
      Quite right! I talk about it endlessly! Here is the next "comrade" asks to name the names .. Is the name of "Mr. Medvedev" enough for you? But he was the president of RUSSIA, and even today he is out of work ... And his entourage, and all sorts of Chubais and "oligarchs". I think that everything should be clear here. It’s a pity, I don’t know how to do this, in the books of the Kharkov Jew E. Khodos there are a lot of photos of Putin surrounded by "noses with sidelocks in black hats", I didn’t come across it in other sources, and this also leads to some reflections. Well, what do you want after that, what would this "Zhidomassonskaya" power, OCCUPIING Russia, do something wrong to its brothers? Here is the answer to all your questions! Let me remind you once again: the heroes of RUSSIA Kvachkov, Khabarov and others were very quickly put behind bars for long periods of time, and all thieves like "Serdyukov" and the company are still at large. This also says a lot, for those who can THINK! I already wrote about Ukraine, that its Verkhovna Rada consists of more than 50 percent of Jews and half-breeds, I take this from the books of Khodos and he is very indignant ?!
      Just analyze the Russian government, the Duma, finally. See who and how is presented there. There must be a majority of "Russians", if we take it from the size of the Russian population, but it seems that you will not find this in the Duma!
      1. fartfraer
        +6
        14 June 2013 09: 13
        comrade can write without quotes.
        Well, as for the given names, I completely agree. It was simply interesting to hear if the name of the current president of the Russian Federation is glad that at least in this matter our views coincide. Thanks for the answer
      2. +5
        14 June 2013 09: 31
        Quote: alexdol
        Well, what do you want after that, what would this "Zhidomassonskaya" power, OCCUPIING Russia, do something wrong to its brothers?

        Well, what can I say, with every act that seems to be not landing Serdyukov, not deliveries from 300, etc. there is still a lot .... The government will discredit itself. In the next election, even fraud will not help them.
        1. +3
          14 June 2013 10: 04
          Manager (3) SU "... In the next elections, even rigging will not help them."
          --------------------------------------------
          Do you still believe in "ELECTION" ?! Why, this is a continuous FARS and a show for the "electorate" played out, by the way, for our money! Only the ARMY can have its say here, Boris Mironov speaks about this in his book "The Jewish Yoke" and I completely agree with him! Perhaps this was the main reason why they began to destroy the ARMY! Today there seem to be some CHANGES, God forbid, that for the better, at least there are a lot of "talking houses" on this topic. But there is a simple explanation for this, and I also wrote about this earlier. Gaddafi's example was supposed to serve as a LESSON for Putin and other representatives of the Russian and not only the government, what can they expect in the future if they completely destroy the ARMY! Here they will not be saved by any heaped money, and therefore it is necessary to inevitably increase the country's DEFENSE CAPACITY! I really want to believe that all the same, they still have at least some intelligence and the thirst for unrestrained NAVY has not overshadowed everything ... And about the ELECTIONS I have such a verse, here is a link to it
          http://stihi.ru/2009/12/07/7152
          1. +3
            14 June 2013 11: 52
            Quote: alexdol
            The army began to destroy

            Without Kvachkov, Khabarov and the like, the army becomes 10 times weaker.
          2. kavkaz8888
            +1
            14 June 2013 20: 35
            Plus I put and add:
            Russia has two allies, the Fleet and the Army
      3. kavkaz8888
        0
        14 June 2013 20: 29
        Who heard about the institution of Jewish wives?
        And Putin divorced his Jewish wife. Let them marry a Tatar.
  5. +13
    14 June 2013 08: 23
    In the article I especially "liked" the fact that in the breakdown of an agreement all "dogs are hanged" on Medvedev. As if for someone a secret who really is, in fact, has been responsible for everything that happens in the country for the last 12 years.
    Some photos in the article "not in the subject", the author apparently does not distinguish between the S-300P and the S-300V, for a complete set there is still not enough naval S-300F.
    1. +1
      14 June 2013 22: 06
      the author is also not in the tooth with a foot what is TOR and TOR-M1E
  6. +2
    14 June 2013 08: 24
    What our brains love, I don’t understand! Iran doesn’t seem to be against Russia. Why don’t I understand all this!
    Oh, this high policy, so that she
    1. +4
      14 June 2013 09: 09
      Quote: Nitarius
      Iran doesn’t seem to be against Russia. Why don’t I understand all this!

      You see, Iran is not against Russia, but it’s not a big friend either. Let’s say a pro-Western candidate comes to the polls in this Shiite republic and where these complexes will unfold! voices are heard more and more often about the search for a peaceful dialogue with the West. Not until yesterday, even one presidential candidate shouted about this from the rostrum! Let it be a PR for the sake of votes, but it means these voices exist! This is one thing.
      The other side of the issue is technology. We all remember how recently a copy of the Amer drone shot down by the Iranians took off safely in China. Where is the guarantee that the S-300 is just as safe in the same China! recourse
      Last but not least, the borders of the Caspian are controversial. Is it worth the country with which we have territorial claims to sell such weapons !? wink
      If these complexes are in Syria, then no one will open their mouths on Iran. So, they still have Thor behind their eyes.
      1. AK-47
        -4
        14 June 2013 09: 28
        Quote: sergo0000
        ... the borders of the Caspian are controversial. Is it worth the country with which we have territorial claims to sell such weapons !?

        +++++++++ Not worth it! negative
        1. +10
          14 June 2013 09: 35
          Do you believe in the possibility of a full-scale conflict between the Russian Federation and the Islamic Republic of Iran? With China, the likelihood of such a conflict is much greater, the Chinese, even in school textbooks, designate our Far Eastern territory as our own. However, this does not prevent them from selling the most advanced Russian weapons to them, including the C-300PMU-2.
      2. +5
        14 June 2013 09: 49
        China already has the S-300, what re-export they are afraid of is not clear ... "they are driving the fool" that's all, Medvedev just caved in, now they don't know what to do. Initiatives of Nedimon are being revised one after another and sooner or later will be canceled (mischief with time zones and time in general, the law on "zero" ppm, etc.) Madhouse.
      3. +5
        14 June 2013 09: 57
        Quote: sergo0000
        Suppose a pro-Western candidate comes to the polls in this Shiite republic and where will these complexes unfold !?

        Let's not be like Israel! They see the threat in defensive systems. Are we going to bomb Iran? No! Then how would the Iranians "deploy" the S-300 in our direction ?! Iran is our neighbor, and we live next to it! It is the Jews who are vitally interested in weak neighbors, bombing sovereign states with impunity - their politics, hobbies, if you like! We have a different relationship with our environment!
        1. -1
          14 June 2013 10: 16
          sanych
          Apparently the SVR of Russia, I do not agree with you. smile hi
      4. Cat
        0
        14 June 2013 12: 10
        Let's come to the polls

        By the way, elections began in Iran today. Let's see who comes.
      5. No_more
        +1
        14 June 2013 14: 07
        Will they deploy in our direction and begin to iron the territory of Russia with ground-to-air missiles using all the offensive power of their air defense?
        There is no official explanation for the refusal to supply C-300 to Iran, so it is an excuse for some UN resolution that does not apply to S-300. Very dark business.
  7. keeper
    +5
    14 June 2013 08: 36
    Damn, explain why Putin can’t cancel this Light President’s decree. I hope it is true that Medvedev played a giveaway - a specialist and they played the role of a bad and good cop in a great strategy game. If this is so, then we are waiting for Putin’s retaliatory move, otherwise I don’t understand.
    1. fartfraer
      +1
      14 June 2013 08: 45
      tell us why they needed it? to play "good-bad". we are talking about the presidents of the world's largest country
    2. Alexander-Tomsk
      +4
      14 June 2013 09: 09
      Loss of authority, we are not our neighbors to wag booty back and forth, we will, we won’t. wink
      You can do it simply: let Medvedev pay these 4 lard greens from his own pocket, I think he has one. And the wolves are full and the sheep are safe. laughing
      1. fartfraer
        +4
        14 June 2013 09: 17
        those. Do you think, uv.zemlyak, that let him pay out of the stolen and calculated?
        I kind of hoped to hear "it is necessary to fulfill the contract," and the stolen goods must be returned to the country, we have "victims" of incompetence (I put it mildly) no less than in Iran
  8. +8
    14 June 2013 08: 50
    Our S-300 has become famous all over the world !!! How afraid of her in the West and in Israel. But this is a purely defensive weapon. NATO vultures are used to bombing states with impunity.
    1. +3
      14 June 2013 10: 01
      Who is it on fair words MIKHAN minus slammed? Is the Israeli pilot on the site stuck ?! am
  9. 0
    14 June 2013 08: 53
    Unfortunately, Russia in this case is losing its reputation as a reliable partner. But our choice is small. After only the promise of deliveries of S-300 to Syria, a scandal broke out around the world. And if we give S-300 to Iran now, we’ll earn that same haemorrhage. Iran, after all, also has a muzzle in a cannon, finances ter. organizations advocating a global war with Israel, etc. Do not think that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. (I mean the USA) Iran has exclusively its goals supported by its clergy. And after a full possession of nuclear weapons, Iran’s behavior is not very predictable (remember what the Iranians think in the Caspian Sea). In general, we (the Russian Federation) will peck ... at what on all sides.
  10. +3
    14 June 2013 08: 53
    Does Dima iPhone consider himself a world-class politician? Responsibility always lies with the one who signed, and not the one who advised.
    The obligations undertaken must be fulfilled!
  11. Dimitry
    +2
    14 June 2013 08: 55
    This contract is a trump card in the big game, which forces the West to make significant concessions to Russia in many topics, but the main thing is that Russia would not play too much .........
    1. fartfraer
      +7
      14 June 2013 08: 59
      this contract has not been fulfilled. so not long to lose the arms markets. who needs an unreliable seller?
  12. +6
    14 June 2013 09: 02
    With the filing of Medvedev, soon there will simply be no buyers for our weapons, we are too unreliable partners. In order to at least somehow clean up our image, Putin urgently needs to cancel Medvedev’s decree and put complexes in Iran. How much can you pamper Uncle Sam?
  13. +3
    14 June 2013 09: 10
    And once again you are convinced that all the wisdom of the world is collected in Russian proverbs, in this case: "A contract is more valuable than money."
    1. +2
      14 June 2013 10: 14
      There is one more proverb - "The law is not written for fools". Only the word "law" should be replaced by "contract".
  14. Edward
    +1
    14 June 2013 09: 12
    Contracts need to be executed.
    S-300 shipments were banned precisely by decree of the President of Russia, and not by a UN Security Council resolution.
    Well, what can I add.
    The market is of course important, but more important to me is the attitude to these obligations.
  15. olviko
    +7
    14 June 2013 09: 22
    Quote: Scandinavian
    The Russian Zhidomasons are struggling to disrupt this deal .... stsuki

    Well then, let Israel, for which these liquid masons work, pay Iran 4 billion bucks for forfeit, Russia 900 million bucks for the lost contract + moral damage Russia suffered to please the United States and Israel.
    1. fartfraer
      +6
      14 June 2013 09: 25
      Well, for this, the Russian Federation must sue them in an international court)), and for this it is necessary to recognize the fact of the management of these persons by our state.
    2. alexkross83
      +1
      14 June 2013 13: 06
      Logically :-) the most important cost-effective offer.
  16. +2
    14 June 2013 09: 39
    It’s interesting, but the iPhone man did at least something useful for the country, or he’s just Gorbachev version 2.0. For all sorts of resolutions and resolutions of the United Nations, some 20-30 years have been laid by a hefty bunch like that, except for the loser with the iPhone.
  17. Barabas
    +3
    14 June 2013 09: 42
    here it is not necessary to bring down from a sick head to healthy.
    signed a contract - fulfill it! or openly admit that you are sitting on a hook and cannot rock the boat! excuses like, Dim He commanded, - this is for the especially gifted, we know who is driving! ! if not, we will all bashfully hide our eyes and sigh “Well, I couldn't!” Syria is not the first and alas not the last country that weakening Russia will hand over to democratizers!
  18. +1
    14 June 2013 09: 42
    By Medvedev you need to bill for 4 billion dollars, the tax for a successfully acquired iPhone.
  19. -3
    14 June 2013 09: 55
    How much pathos is taken in some of the comments ... Did any of the commentators read the resolution? We actually signed it. And according to the UN Charter, decisions of the Security Council are binding. If the resolution spelled out "missiles and missile systems", I hope no one doubts that the S-300 is a missile system, and not a catapult for launching dumplings at passers-by, then the head of state has no choice but to block the execution of a contract that violates this resolution. This is a purely technical act. Another question is where those who approved the text of the resolution looked ... so we screwed up ourselves. Now one hope for judgment.
    In my opinion, of course, it is necessary to supply.
    1. Net
      Net
      +3
      14 June 2013 10: 08
      Is a resolution retroactive? The contract was concluded in 2007, the money has been transferred, please do it. After all, we ourselves claim on the Syrian S-300 that deliveries will be carried out within the framework of previously concluded contracts.
      1. 0
        14 June 2013 11: 23
        Unfortunately, UN Security Council resolutions are binding, i.e. apply to previously concluded contracts. This has nothing to do with the situation in Syria; there is no resolution there. We blocked it.
        1. +1
          14 June 2013 12: 08
          Quote: Pacifist
          Unfortunately, UN Security Council resolutions are binding, i.e. apply to previously concluded contracts.


          Mandatory, speak?

          The Russian authorities accused the Swedish government of not complying with UN Security Council (SB) resolutions regarding the closure of the Kavkaz Center website, recognized as extremist, RIA Novosti reported on Thursday, May 10.
          “This does not comply with paragraph 6 of Security Council resolution 1989, according to which financial sanctions should have been applied to this site, leading to the cessation of its activities,” Vitaly Churkin, Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations, said at a meeting of the Security Council.

          A year has passed, and Kavkaz Center is still operating.
          Let me remind you: in June 2011, the UN Security Council adopted a special resolution of 1989 on the application of sanctions against Al Qaeda and its associated terrorist organizations, and on July 28, 2011, the UN Security Council Committee on Sanctions included a terrorist organization in the consolidated sanctions list The Caucasus Emirate (Caucasus Emirate) and its Caucasus-Center Internet resource located in Stockholm.

          And the trick question: for the courts, the UN Security Council resolution is binding?
    2. +5
      14 June 2013 10: 23
      Quote: Pacifist
      I hope no one doubts that the S-300 missile system

      I have doubts. Air defense systems are not included in the "missiles and missile systems" category of the UN Register of Conventional Arms. This is a separate category. And it is precisely because of this that the penalty was soldered to us - we have no legal reason for not fulfilling the contract.
      1. 0
        14 June 2013 11: 30
        This is where there is a controversial point that can be bypassed with the help of a court. Since there were no precedents, and all our "partners" are yelling with good obscenity that the S-300 falls under this definition, the court can make a decision.
        Once again, I personally believe that it is necessary to supply, but given what forces are involved in this story, it is necessary, if we want to play within the framework of the general rules, reinforced concrete justification, this is a court decision.
        Although now we have one more argument for ignoring the opinions of any "partners". Making a decision on the supply of weapons to terrorists in Syria removes any obligations from us in relation to these bastards and we can very loudly bang our fist on the table, putting complexes on both Iran and Syria.
        1. +4
          14 June 2013 11: 44
          Dear, you do not agree with the Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Alexander Fomin?
          Russia has lost many hundreds of millions of dollars. In addition, there is a lawsuit in the international court, estimated at $ 4 billion, and the customer is absolutely right

          http://ria.ru/economy/20130301/925404685.html

          All our "partners" simply asked not to fulfill this contract. And then our "partners" increased the amount of the claim from Iranian $ 950 million to $ 4 billion. We must think to thank Russia for taking care of their military pilots.
          1. +1
            14 June 2013 12: 04
            Why do not agree? I just agree. I already said that in my opinion it is necessary to supply. You just need to understand the causes of the problem and the methods that you can use to overcome the problem.
      2. +6
        14 June 2013 12: 39
        Quote: Spade
        I have doubts. Air defense systems are not included in the "missiles and missile systems" category of the UN Register of Conventional Arms.


        Shovels, you are right.
        Resolution 1929 of 2010 "Decides that all States will prevent the direct, indirect or indirect supply, sale or transfer to Iran of their territory or through it by their citizens or persons under their jurisdiction, or by the use of ships or aircraft under their flag - regardless of the country of origin - of any battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, combat helicopters, warships, missiles or missile systems, as defined for the purposes of the United Nations Register of Conventional Arms, or related materiel, including spare parts"

        BUT The category of conventional weapons "Missiles and missile launchers" under item 7 includes:

        - Guided or unguided missiles, ballistic or cruise missiles capable of delivering a warhead or means of destruction at a distance of at least 25 kilometers, and means designed or modified specifically for launching such guided or unguided missiles, if they do not belong to categories 1-6. For the purposes of reporting to the Wassenaar Arrangement Secretariat, category 7:
        a) also includes telepilot aircraft with missile characteristics, as defined above;
        b) does not include surface-to-air missiles.

        So good Medvedev pulled out more than a hundred billion rubles from the pocket of Russian taxpayers, for which more than one hospital, school or kindergarten could be built.
  20. +2
    14 June 2013 10: 26
    The article is a fat plus. Indeed, it is not clear why the obligations were not fulfilled.
  21. +1
    14 June 2013 10: 28
    Quote: Ramses_IV
    The article is a fat plus. Indeed, it is not clear why the obligations were not fulfilled.

    Dimon, the iPhone contract has changed ...
  22. +1
    14 June 2013 10: 29
    and what? Collect from gr. Medvedev transaction value and fines, the amount of which is agreed with Iran. And all business. And do not say that I will not pull this amount. Will pull.
  23. +3
    14 June 2013 10: 33
    And Putin is cool!

    By unilaterally fulfilling the Chernomyrdin-Gor protocol, Russia lost "only" $ 2.2 billion. The Americans decided not to comply with the provisions of this protocol (refusal of supplies to Iran in exchange for military-technical cooperation). And now the forfeit is $ 4 billion.

    Putin pumped twice as much money on contracts with Iran as the unforgettable Boris Nikolaevich. Keep it up.

    In general, the total lost benefit from the cessation of military-technical cooperation with Iran is estimated at $ 7 billion.
  24. +2
    14 June 2013 10: 53
    It is necessary to put the complexes all the more so the fulfillment of the holy contracts and to put the demon under trial for treason
    1. 0
      14 June 2013 12: 37
      There is so much noise, and it’s all about quietly transporting these complexes across the Caspian Sea, and no one will know, and if he does, let him try to prove it in court.
      1. No_more
        0
        14 June 2013 14: 12
        So this could have been done if the Russian authorities wanted to import the S-300, but it was impossible. Here the situation is the opposite: it is possible to introduce, but the government does not want to do this and is looking for excuses, hiding the real reasons for unwillingness.
  25. USNik
    0
    14 June 2013 10: 57
    Putin pumped twice as much money on contracts with Iran as the unforgettable Boris Nikolaevich. Keep it up.

    Well, yes, again the GDP with Dam damned all the polymers. Our song is good, start from the beginning! 1 !!
    And if instead of fiery speeches, to think that this is just an excellent lever for putting pressure on a militant Iran, which was just at that time scumbling over the division of the Caspian? If you behave yourself, you will get a clear sky, you will behave like barbarians, to hell with you and not S-300!
    1. +3
      14 June 2013 11: 18
      You are aware that 4 billion is almost 30 percent of last year’s arms exports. And about half of the revenue for this article. Do you think this is normal?
      1. fartfraer
        +2
        14 June 2013 18: 36
        USNik, you come to the store, pick up groceries, go to the checkout, and they say to you "the director of the neighboring motor depot asked you to wash the floors first." Will you go to this store?
        further, it will be much more convenient for Iran to solve the problems of dividing the Caspian if the Russian Federation sticks out to him 4 lard. well, and finally if the Iran is an enemy, what the hell is it to sell weapons, then not fulfill the contract and give him money? Buying off enemies is not a sign of a strong state, and signing a contract is a sign of a stupid state.
        another thought is closer to me - having Iran dependent on the Russian Federation (if they have our weapons, we service them, modernize, etc.), which puts them in some dependence on us. Thus, failure to fulfill the contract caused the Russian Federation only damage in reputation and nothing more. no benefits.
      2. +1
        14 June 2013 23: 17
        Quote: Spade
        You are aware that 4 billion is almost 30 percent of last year’s arms exports. And about half of the revenue for this article. Do you think this is normal?

        All the prospers are all like that. We sell weapons - they shout "first, buy for the Russian army", we do not sell - they shout "Putin's uncounted losses ... radishes." You will decide there to sell or not to sell, or maybe there are more informed people in the government who decide such issues?
        1. +1
          14 June 2013 23: 46
          What does the all-enforcers have to do with it, if it comes to disrupting the contract due to the fault of Russia and, accordingly, a hefty damage ????
          1. 0
            15 June 2013 02: 44
            Quote: mehanik27
            What does the all-enforcers have to do with it, if it comes to disrupting the contract due to the fault of Russia and, accordingly, a hefty damage ????

            You do not know anything on this issue, and those who know will not say it is premature to draw conclusions about multibillion-dollar losses from information from the media.
            1. 0
              15 June 2013 03: 11
              Judging by how you bliss here, you know even less ...
              1. -1
                15 June 2013 04: 08
                Quote: mehanik27
                Judging by how you bliss here, you know even less ...

                Are you sure you used the word "bliss" correctly?
                1. 0
                  15 June 2013 12: 03
                  Are you sure you understand the meaning of the word "bliss" ????
  26. 0
    14 June 2013 11: 01
    Yes, everything is sad. But it seemed that Russia was rising, it was beginning to hold its head proudly, but no, it seemed ...
    P.S. And Russia and Iran have no problems with the Caspian Sea, because there is no common border; there is only something that Iranians can have with Iranians with Tajiks.
  27. pinecone
    +1
    14 June 2013 11: 04
    Such a proposal on the part of the leadership of the Russian Federation looks simply mocking.
  28. Maximus69
    0
    14 June 2013 11: 09
    What do you think hides the black square in the last photo? What's the secret "pterodactyl" in there? Any assumptions?
  29. +1
    14 June 2013 11: 43
    They would have offered them MANPADS instead of the C300. generally point is not iron in some (
  30. roial
    +2
    14 June 2013 12: 03
    Again na ... whether partners Iran, Libya, Syria who is next ???
  31. Nikolko
    +2
    14 June 2013 12: 07
    Come on...
    This is the same thing that we ordered a diamond-antea, for example 20 S-400 for our army, and they told us: You will pay us for the S-400 and we will supply you with Thor. angry
    1. Batkamahno
      0
      14 June 2013 12: 34
      compared the defense order with the supply of weapons to an ally of China))))) Torahs from Iran with 300 Syria Over Syrian territory to shoot down more conveniently, and if Israeli planes pass then the Torah is better
      1. fartfraer
        +1
        14 June 2013 18: 43
        so what? Iran is not only torahs, but also 4 billion to the load. Are you ready to pay? I don’t, I don’t have that kind of money, even if I sell the hut)) and here’s another strange thing, do you think Iran is not worthy of the s-300 (as I understand), so what for then they signed a contract for the supply of S-300? Can you explain to me? Or has our state already begun to cheat on international markets? Or is it a thieves' habit of leadership? Please explain, I can’t understand it myself
  32. imerkov
    +2
    14 June 2013 12: 10
    Medvedev once again planted Russia under the USA and the West! Of course!!!!!!!!! Sorry for the Swiss bank accounts! All the same, it was necessary to heat Russia by 4 billion rubles!
  33. imerkov
    0
    14 June 2013 12: 10
    Medvedev once again planted Russia under the USA and the West! Of course!!!!!!!!! Sorry for the Swiss bank accounts! All the same, it was necessary to heat Russia by 4 billion rubles!
  34. Batkamahno
    0
    14 June 2013 12: 22
    And no one thought that it would be more profitable for Iran to say that they can have 300 than what they have. With 300 in this region, in the assembled state, they can increase the atmosphere and force opponents to use force. Even if not real, but at least by the same demonstrators. In Iran, not everything is ice right now after the sanctions and there are people who want to leave the stones for bucks. But while conversations are going on through the press and television, this is a game that can very well be won. If we threw Iran, it would have looked different. And so an occasion was created for constant conversations. But rumors can do a lot.
    1. fartfraer
      +1
      14 June 2013 18: 50
      Well, if Iran wants to beat NATO planes, then yes, it’s profitable. Your version is quite acceptable. And if Iran does not want to fight, but just wants to conduct its independent policy, then very good.
      can you try to develop your idea? what if the Russian Federation wants everyone to attack it, then defeat everyone and grab another 1/6 of the land? so we are all told that Serdyukov is a scoundrel, but he actually strengthened the army and caught up to 75 in number million people, and the T-90 and armata are already hidden under the barracks in every unit. It’s also not a bad version, and it’s quite true to itself, otherwise the civilian population would have been enough in Russia and there would have been no need to bring in migrant workers.
      I think the irony is understandable?
  35. Hey
    +5
    14 June 2013 12: 47
    I think so. Ours are pulling in resolving the issue, awaiting the election results in Iran. With whom exactly will you have to work and what kind of policies will the one who comes to power carry, both internal and external. But according to the results, the final answer will be accepted.
    1. Batkamahno
      0
      14 June 2013 12: 56
      Hmm, in principle, this is logical. You need to at least know the buyer
      1. fartfraer
        +1
        14 June 2013 18: 53
        "Hmm, in principle this is logical. The buyer must at least know" - that is. signed a contract for the supply of weapons to the Russian Federation with some kind of incognito? didn’t know who they were selling just to sell? great. When is the next exhibition there? I have long wanted to buy akm and pc
    2. No_more
      0
      14 June 2013 14: 17
      By the way, yes. Somehow everyone forgot about it. Thank you for the only sound thought here.
  36. Blackwing
    +2
    14 June 2013 13: 05
    The iPhone is a rotten liberalist, for 4 years he has done a lot of business - Libya, Iran and Transnistria surrendered.
    But another thing is not clear, if the situation with Libya can not be reversed, then why Iran can not put the S-300. Moreover, they are ready to make such deliveries to Syria.

    Who believes that the supply of S-300 to Iran will lead to tension in the region is blind. If a single statement about deliveries to Syria has already cooled many hotheads and brought Russia geopolitical points, deliveries to Iran will raise Russia's authority to the highest level.

    I think that a compromise decision on Iran would be to supply 6 S-300PMU-1 air defense divisions, instead of 5 at the old price (so to speak for moral damage).
  37. rks5317
    +3
    14 June 2013 13: 10
    Jews from Washington and Tel Aviv asked Kremlin Jews .... And the question is resolved ... So yes? ... (So they say to each other) ... And the losses of Russia? ... THEY by that time will finally finish Russia and they will dump them with stolen billions abroad ... And their mission conceived by world Jewry to destroy Russia in the 19th century will be fulfilled. And ANY losses of Russia will not worry them anymore ... And half-drunk-half-pumped drugs-marginals will continue to shout ... RUSSIA ... But it already will not be ... Here is such a gloomy forecast for the next 3-5 years ...
  38. 0
    14 June 2013 13: 14
    Our leadership needs to act in the interests of their country and not in the interests of the West, they constantly throw us and always wanted to spit on our interests, which in their opinion should not be like the losing side.
  39. alexkross83
    0
    14 June 2013 13: 19
    The issue of contracts and deliveries was voiced just in time for the implementation of contracts with Syria ... does this coincidence seem strange? Of course, we will fulfill the contract, through Iran to Syria, reliably and safely.
    1. rks5317
      +1
      14 June 2013 15: 58
      Holy naivety ...
  40. Katsin
    +1
    14 June 2013 13: 43
    Question to the forum users: is everything that is bad for America automatically automatic for Russia? I’ll ask more specifically: for America and Israel, atomic weapons in the hands of Iran are very bad. Does this mean good for Russia?
    1. +1
      14 June 2013 14: 03
      For Russia, atomic weapons in Iran and India and Pakistan and Israel are not good! For America, I think too! In Iran, unlike the others mentioned above, there are no nuclear weapons! hi
      1. rks5317
        +4
        14 June 2013 16: 17
        Belarus. Iran. Syria and North Korea are the only ones on this Earth. They have not bowed to the United States and for this reason are strategic allies of Russia ... But not the Kremlin ... Any leader of the USSR is Stalin. Khrushchev. Brezhnev. Andropov (but not a traitor and a traitor Gorbachev) in such a situation would not have hesitated to put any weapons in the indicated countries. capable of stopping the aggressor ... But not the current Krelezhelyateli. worthy successors of the Gorbachev-Eltsind case ... Nothing. someday RUSSIAN will enter OUR KREMLIN too .. . Only then can it be late ...
        1. fartfraer
          0
          14 June 2013 18: 57
          rks5317, Venezuela is not forgotten?
          1. rks5317
            0
            14 June 2013 19: 14
            Venezuela could have been added under Chavez — his successor seems to intend to reconsider relations with the Yankees ...
    2. 0
      14 June 2013 15: 20
      this is not good.
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  41. +1
    14 June 2013 13: 59
    At the same time, President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran, which Israel and the United States threatened with bombing, and did so in full view of the world. This casts doubt on Russia's position as a reliable supplier of weapons, which is a rather specific product.

    Definitely threw ... And the highest state order gave the main traitor of national interests ...
    1. 0
      14 June 2013 15: 09
      And this goat in London and "washed" him
    2. 0
      14 June 2013 15: 24
      And this goat in London and "washed"
  42. +1
    14 June 2013 14: 53
    At the same time, President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran, which Israel and the United States threatened with bombing, and did so in full view of the world.

    He also sold a piece of our sea on the sly, and so did not justify it. Oh how Kolyma mines cry for it!
  43. Svyatoslav72
    +2
    14 June 2013 14: 58
    If the Russian Federation does not want to supply Three Hundreds to Iran, there are three options:
    1. Either rulers are exiled rams and unprincipled cotton suckers.
    2. Or three hundred do not fulfill what they attribute.
    3. Either there is no one else to do three hundred, or not and why.
    There can be no other options. If a contract is signed, and it is politically and economically advantageous, no one should stand in the way. Installation to deliver. To teach to use. AND! in the event of a conflict, to conduct demonstration launches on the aggressor, so as not to mess up the honor and demonstrate the performance characteristics of the products.
    1. rks5317
      0
      14 June 2013 19: 20
      Look at YouTube - PUTIN in the historical homeland ... I think that after viewing you will have clarity in this and other issues ...
  44. 0
    14 June 2013 15: 07
    Here put a pig Dimon! IPhone is dumb.
  45. -1
    14 June 2013 15: 15
    If you continue in the same spirit of breaking agreed, very soon you will lose the few remaining markets.
    1. rks5317
      0
      14 June 2013 19: 24
      It would be more likely to lose all markets ... Maybe then the RUSSIAN army will get new weapons ...
  46. +1
    14 June 2013 15: 28
    Yes, the situation with the non-delivery of the S-300 to Iran is clearly "ugly." A country claiming to be a world power should not behave like that. Russia will lose its reputation as a reliable partner (and so "tarnished"), and a holy place never happens. Iran after that It will simply reorient itself to China, and instead of gaining Russia, it will also receive losses (4 billion). The Chinese have long been offering their "clones" of Russian samples all over the world. So it will be with the S-300 and Iran. from this story and deliver the S-300 to Iran. By the way, Iran after that stopped all negotiations with Russia on purchases. And these are negotiations on the procurement of Tu-204 and further cooperation in the "peaceful atom". And China did not give any promises in connection. " with additional Security Council sanctions ", so it will not be surprising if S-300" clones "made in China appear in Iran
  47. cypr12s
    +2
    14 June 2013 16: 24
    Dmitry Anatolyevich caved in, and Russia must now pay, so let him pay the sixth himself. : -X
  48. cypr12s
    0
    14 June 2013 16: 31
    Dmitry Anatolyevich caved in, and Russia must now pay, so let him pay the sixth himself. : -X
  49. 0
    14 June 2013 17: 09
    On Friday, after the fifth stack, I don’t understand anything .... For example, I don’t understand, but what prevents us from supplying Iran with S-300 and getting almost 1 billion USD? If I had an S-300, I would have received it today. Moreover, Geneva is in favor. There is nowhere to put it, or what?
    Look at Prokhorov, Deripaska, Fox, Mordashov, these billions do not interfere with life.
  50. 0
    14 June 2013 17: 25
    The State Department said it is necessary, the Demon said there is. No wonder. Who put the Demon to that he serves. It is possible to correct the situation. If now it is impossible to supply the S-300. To supply Iran with medium-range air defense systems, for example, the BUK-2 M. They will also be useful to Iran. In the event of unfavorable events in Syria, the subsequent delivery of the S-300.
  51. +1
    14 June 2013 18: 00
    It's good to dodge. We already look pale. We work to the detriment of our image. Give the S-300 to Iran! Moreover, Obama allowed the arming of terrorists in Syria.
    1. gremlin1977
      0
      15 June 2013 00: 21
      Or maybe I should give them my last shirt? And what kind of image is this, we are barbarians for everyone. To hell with the image - more brutality and illogicality)
      1. +1
        15 June 2013 00: 26
        in what place do we give away our last shirt??? And image means a lot in politics, including even if we are brutal and illogical barbarians.
        1. -2
          15 June 2013 02: 47
          Quote: mehanik27
          in what place do we give away our last shirt??? And image means a lot in politics, including even if we are brutal and illogical barbarians.

          Let me paraphrase the words of the Great Man: Image? How many divisions does he have?
          Image is dust, decay, a bait for suckers.
          1. +1
            15 June 2013 03: 13
            God forgive me, but you are a fool...What does this have to do with divisions and the image of a power from which you can buy good weapons????
            1. -1
              15 June 2013 04: 01
              Quote: mehanik27
              God forgive me, but you are a fool...What does this have to do with divisions and the image of a power from which you can buy good weapons????

              God forgive me, but you are a fool here! Good weapons can be bought from someone who has them, and “image” has nothing to do with it. Does Switzerland have a high image? Where are their weapons?
              tanks, planes, air defense systems?
              And the divisions here have to be interested in something other than swear words like “moron.”
  52. -3
    14 June 2013 18: 07
    Maybe they need it themselves, that’s why they don’t sell it?
    Let’s say that as part of the ongoing modernization of the army, we need 100 complexes (I took the figure “from the light”), but the industry can produce only 80 in the near future. Then everything is clear.
    It’s not a fact that this is the right decision, but it at least somehow explains the government’s behavior.
  53. Genady1976
    0
    14 June 2013 18: 59
    I came to the car dealership to buy a Mercedes, and you're welcome, feel On soap on entoy drive for now. laughing
    Perhaps you’re not so indignant yet. fool
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  55. +1
    14 June 2013 19: 41
    At the same time, President Dmitry Medvedev at one time simply “threw” Iran, which Israel and the United States threatened with bombing, and did so in full view of the world.

    Well, who truly believes that Dimon (!!!!) could simply cancel deliveries that not only cost a fortune, but radically change the geopolitics in the region!!!
    Well, nonsense !!!
    FAILURE TO DELIVERY defensive weapons to Syria and Iran is a litmus test of the Kremlin’s true face against the backdrop of patriotic rhetoric!!!!
    The Kremlin has not changed its owners IMHO. angry
  56. xan
    0
    14 June 2013 22: 20
    !
    Well, our weapons have been invented! There hasn’t been a war anywhere yet, but the whole world is already on its heels.
    So it turns out that the S-300 is a strategic weapon of mass political defeat.
    More good and varied prodigies of the Russian army!!!
    and ours are helping the Iranians in Syria
  57. Cheetah
    0
    14 June 2013 22: 27
    why do some have 4 TPK and in the photo 2 TPK. Tell me
  58. 0
    14 June 2013 23: 05
    The deal is more valuable then money. We must keep our word
  59. 0
    14 June 2013 23: 28
    But it seems to me that our leadership is simply brilliant at playing this game. It’s strange, there is a resolution, but C 300 is not in it, didn’t they know about the contract. Russia seems to be being pushed to sell. Maybe Iran, under the guise of C 300, will become more harsh, and may make the wrong move, and Russia will remain an outside observer. For now the situation is under control. Russia is always at the table.
    1. fartfraer
      0
      15 June 2013 13: 39
      at the negotiating table? I completely agree. A leader in the arms market? A couple more tricks like this and no one will need “unsupplied weapons”, but they will need even worse ones, but they were already in service yesterday. Well, considering how well our negotiators helped Libya, so there is no real price for us in those negotiations
  60. serpentine fist
    +1
    14 June 2013 23: 38
    Of course Iran does not agree! who wants to exchange big MANTY for small dumplings laughing
  61. gremlin1977
    -1
    15 June 2013 00: 17
    Why is everyone clinging to this Iran and Syria? They are not allies and never have been. The Russians have 2 allies - the army and the navy. but selling the S-300 when your own army is not yet equipped with them is a crime, and the iPhone is absolutely right here.
    1. 0
      15 June 2013 00: 27
      Do you know how much S-4 you can buy for your army with 300 billion dollars?

      $4 billion is approximately 12 percent of what will be spent this year on the purchase, repair and development of weapons and military equipment for the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    2. +1
      15 June 2013 00: 28
      The hamster is indignant????What is the failure of an agreement on the supply of military equipment for a country that so far can only be proud of its military equipment, I think it’s useless to explain to you. Moreover, what does Dimon and the provision of Belarus with the already quite old S-300 complex have to do with it?? ??
      1. +1
        15 June 2013 00: 35
        He just feels Russian too. In addition, Belarus and I are one state. So he has the right.

        Welcome.
        1. gremlin1977
          +1
          15 June 2013 00: 38
          I am more Soviet than Belarusian or Russian!
          1. +1
            15 June 2013 00: 42
            It always seemed to me that in the USSR people were more literate
        2. +1
          15 June 2013 00: 40
          Greetings)))) He can feel like anyone he wants, this doesn’t change the fact that judging by his words, he looks like a complete idiot.

          By the way, the photo showing the combat vehicle of the complex that they are trying to sell to Iran is shown, I apologize for the tautology, my dear machine. And I will even say more - I myself am sitting at the helm, which of course is not visible behind the armor)))))
          1. +2
            15 June 2013 00: 51
            I once saw one of my self-propelled guns in the chronicle of the war with Georgia. With a number, the stencil of which I personally cut out. So nostalgia tormented me.
      2. gremlin1977
        -2
        15 June 2013 00: 40
        but we should be proud not of the technology, but of the people who created this equipment for their homeland, and here it is for sale, 4 billion must be earned in the field and not by selling weapons.!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. +1
          15 June 2013 00: 44
          You may be a little behind the times or just stupid, but even under the USSR you earned a lot of money by selling weapons. And in the conditions of the bestial grin of capitalism, God himself ordered to competently trade in what we know how to do well, in order to provide ourselves with even better .
  62. gremlin1977
    +1
    15 June 2013 00: 50
    Under the USSR, money went to the treasury and now for kickbacks and cuts. And perhaps you are a little behind the times, outside your window is not communism but that very bestial grin. Don’t look like you are, as you say... an idiot. And don’t lead others into delusion.
    1. 0
      15 June 2013 00: 54
      Don’t puff yourself up, hamster, go learn your spelling better, you’re our Soviet. Why did you skip school???? You’re right, of course, when you mentioned kickbacks. But only under the USSR there was a unified economy, which made it possible to distribute state money among industries. Now it’s like that There is no opportunity, so like it or not, you will get a lot of money for the production of equipment for yourself through the arms trade.
  63. gremlin1977
    0
    15 June 2013 00: 56
    People really need to respect the stoned boot. I didn’t do anything bad to you.
    1. 0
      15 June 2013 01: 07
      Fantasies for something more than “a stoned boot, not enough yet???? And why exactly a boot??? Ugh, how rude and stupid))))
  64. +1
    15 June 2013 01: 04
    Come on, guys, why swear out of the blue?

    On the one hand, yes, first of all it is necessary to provide for your army.
    On the other hand, if you have already signed a contract, then you must fulfill it. So that the judges in Geneva do not, giggling, add zeros to the amount of the penalty
    1. +1
      15 June 2013 01: 09
      Come on, whoever is swearing))))
      And on the topic of conversation, now all this is interconnected. To really provide your army with a modern complex, you can sell a rather old complex. Or you don’t have to do this ... but it’s doubly stupid to conclude a contract for the supply of this complex, and then stupidly back down and prepare to pay a huge penalty.
      1. 0
        15 June 2013 01: 21
        This is not so simple. In our defense industry, arms exports very often interfere with the rearmament of our army. Here is the same Armata - they will pull the cat by the tail with development until there is at least a minimal opportunity to sell the T-90 to someone.
        1. +1
          15 June 2013 01: 32
          Well, in our defense industry, the devil himself will break his leg, but if we talk specifically about air defense, then many of the developments that we have had, or better yet, have turned out in recent years, are due precisely to the fact that something was either sold abroad or made to order. And for Due to this, money appeared to create or improve our own. So I don’t see anything wrong with selling an already old complex to Iran. But the fact is that for some reason we are setting ourselves up for not fulfilling the terms of the contract that we ourselves signed, I see what that's nonsense
          1. gremlin1977
            +1
            15 June 2013 01: 49
            Everything is a little different. Yes, they create, but again what they create goes for export due to the lack of orders from the defense industry. It turns out to be a vicious circle, working for other countries but not for oneself. As a result, all innovations end up in the hands of either the Chinese or the Americans, after which they are copied by some, and the latter are taken into account in their developments.
          2. 0
            15 June 2013 01: 50
            This was before the money rained down on them.

            As for non-compliance, I agree. This is the second time we’ve abandoned Iran. And every time at a loss. Here is a good article on this matter http://www.cast.ru/journal/2005/5_2005_2/
  65. gremlin1977
    +2
    15 June 2013 01: 12
    Quote: mehanik27
    Fantasies for something more than “a stoned boot, not enough yet???? And why exactly a boot??? Ugh, how rude and stupid))))

    If you have enough imagination, the moderator won’t let you through. But in general, you seem to be an adult, but you behave like a child, in Belarusian it is written as it is heard. And I’m sorry for the rudeness, I don’t like it when the brains “teach.”
    1. -1
      15 June 2013 01: 16
      It seems like we’re not on a Belarusian site?????Afraid of moderators, don’t troll the hamster))))
  66. shpuntik
    +4
    15 June 2013 01: 16
    Mendel David Aaronovich: -) Why be surprised?
    http://www.anticompromat.org/medvedevd/antisem_pask.html

    1. gremlin1977
      +2
      15 June 2013 01: 27
      I don’t want to offend anyone, but bravo grandma.
      1. -2
        15 June 2013 01: 35
        Grandma drives fervently))))
        1. rks5317
          -2
          16 June 2013 15: 57
          The attitude towards children and the elderly characterizes everyone. Who they are - a person or... Your jargon speaks volumes... It’s better to communicate in this way where you learned it...