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Instead of Turkish technology, Azerbaijan acquired Russian tanks T-90С and self-propelled guns "Msta-S"

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At the military parade in Baku for the first time will be shown T-90С, "Msta-S", "Torah" and the latest Israeli drones. On technical equipment, Azerbaijan has become the second country after Russia in the post-Soviet space, the leader in unmanned systems.




T-90С steadily in high demand in international arms markets

A complete list of military equipment that will take part in a military parade publishes Azerbaijani site APPA. Azerbaijan became the second CIS country after Turkmenistan, which purchased the Russian main combat Tanks T-90S.

The alleged entry of these combat vehicles into the Azerbaijani army was reported two years ago. At present, the Russian tank is the best-selling in the world, and the list of countries operating it is growing rapidly. According to the criteria of cost / efficiency, it is one of the best in the world, has high firepower, mobility and security. Due to the presence of thermal imaging devices, the tank is able to operate effectively day and night.

Probably, until the last moment the intrigue remains: what version of 90 will be demonstrated in Baku. The most advanced export version so far is the variant that is in service with the Algerian army: it has a target tracking machine integrated into the fire control system, and there is also air conditioning. T-90A tanks of the Russian army are deprived of all this. True, our machines have a complete set of curtain optoelectronic suppression system, which is capable of disrupting the use of high-precision weapons. With this complex of tanks abroad have not yet been delivered. It is possible that we will see a symbiosis of the Algerian and Russian versions. Or even some transitional model to the newest version of the T-90CM.

Earlier it was reported about the interest of the Azerbaijani side to the Turkish tank "Altay". But this machine still exists in the form of a running layout and it is not surprising that it was preferred to the real-life and well-proven in many armies of the T-90C world.



Another surprise was the purchase of Msta-S self-propelled artillery mounts. Here, too, was not without intrigue. There are variants of this ACS for the traditional for the CIS caliber of guns in 152,4-mm or NATO 155-mm. It is not yet known what the military of Azerbaijan chose.

It is curious that previously it was reported about the negotiations of Azerbaijan with Turkey on the supply of order 40 units SAU T-155 "Firtina". However, during the implementation of the transaction, a difficulty arose - because of the presence of a German engine on this combat vehicle, Germany blocked the contract.

This example demonstrates that it is better to deal with independent partners in the arms market, and Turkey is not so; moreover, political instability may in general question the progress of other transactions with this country.

Instead of Turkish technology, Azerbaijan acquired Russian tanks T-90С and self-propelled guns "Msta-S"


The acquisition of the Tor system is evidence that this system is still the best in its class in the world, and for many years it will not be equal in the arms market.

The armed forces of Azerbaijan had a very limited number of BMP-3: a total of 3 units. But, judging by the message site APPApurchased an additional batch. And here it can be stated that, despite the hostile attitude towards this unique car by the former leadership of the Ministry of Defense, it is still one of the most acquired. Despite the attacks of competitors.

Above, we noted that Azerbaijan is the leader among the CIS countries in the quality of unmanned vehicles. In fact, even Russia currently has no serial analogues of the Israeli Heron unmanned aerial vehicles.

At one time, the Russian side expressed the desire to purchase these devices, but we were sold drones obsolete types of development of the beginning of the 90-s.
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  1. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 14 June 2013 06: 55
    +7
    Well done guys! We will support the domestic manufacturer. Russian weapons do not fail.
    1. bask
      bask 14 June 2013 07: 04
      15
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Instead of Turkish technology, Azerbaijan acquired Russian tanks T-90С and self-propelled guns "Msta-S"

      What can I say Azerbaijan is seriously rearming.
      The T-90, now out of competition, in the global market. The West only offers control units, China does not intend to sell its Ture-99s.
      SPG ,, MSTA-S ,, a modern machine with good accuracy when shooting.
      And Azerbaijan has a large supply of 152 mm shells.
      But I think armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and MRAP, Azerbaijan will purchase from Turkey and South Africa. (((If sold))
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 07: 22
        13
        Dear Basque, there is an inaccuracy in the article!
        Azerbaijan acquired Russian self-propelled guns, but not instead of Turkish ones!
        Turkish also purchased !!
        There were problems there, but solved!
        ** In the coming months, the first batch of T-155 “Fırtına” self-propelled artillery units purchased from Turkey will be delivered to Azerbaijan.

        According to information from the Turkish corporation for mechanical engineering and the chemical industry, the issue has been settled with the German company MTU, the manufacturer of engines for this military equipment, which refused to participate in this order due to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in which Azerbaijan is involved. This was reported by Vesti.Az with reference to azeridefence.com.

        Fırtına units, designed for 5 people, have a length of 12 m, a width of 3,5 m, a mass of 47 tons, a speed of 66 km / h and is equipped with a 155-mm L-52 gun with a range of up to 40 km and 12,7 machine gun. **
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        1. bask
          bask 14 June 2013 07: 45
          +4
          Quote: Yarbay
          Ask, there is an inaccuracy in the article!

          Good morning Yarbay.
          Infa accurate on the acquisition of Turkish self-propelled guns was not.
          And I emphasized that in Azerbaijan, a large supply of 152 mm shells!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 08: 12
            +4
            Quote: bask
            Infa accurate on the acquisition of Turkish self-propelled guns was not.
            And I emphasized that in Azerbaijan, a large supply of 152 mm shells!

            Good morning!
            I'm not talking about your comments, but about the article !!
        2. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 14 June 2013 12: 56
          +5
          Turkey has long understood that it is necessary to create its own engine, and are actively working on it!
        3. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 14 June 2013 13: 32
          +5
          Quote: Yarbay
          * In the coming months, the first batch of T-155 "Fırtına" self-propelled artillery, which was purchased from Turkey, will be delivered to Azerbaijan.
        4. Rustiger
          Rustiger 14 June 2013 13: 49
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          Azerbaijan acquired Russian self-propelled guns, but not instead of Turkish ones!
          Turkish also purchased !!

          But this (probably) - "do not eat gut". It looks like "eastern diplomacy" i.e. "both yours and ours"?
          Or "don't keep all your eggs in one basket"?
          Or "do not trust 100%" to anyone?

          So, in such a situation, unnecessary "smut" with service, app. parts, possible modernization, add. hitch.
          Or am I misunderstanding something. . .
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 14: 15
            +1
            Quote: Rustiger
            But this (probably) - "do not eat gut". It looks like "eastern diplomacy" i.e. "both yours and ours"?
            Or "don't keep all your eggs in one basket"?
            Or "do not trust 100%" to anyone?

            I think this will provide an opportunity in the future to collect Turkish self-propelled guns in Azerbaijan or possibly joint production !!
            This is good for our defense industry!
            1. Rustiger
              Rustiger 14 June 2013 14: 34
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              I think it will provide an opportunity in the future to collect Turkish self-propelled guns in Azerbaijan

              Quite possible. But this is no longer even practicality, but the current hypocrisy in relation to today's Russian suppliers. Well, or all the same distrust. Then why not "turn your back to me, but back to the forest"? Or vice versa . ... ...
              Or TTX Turetschinsky far superior to Russian? Or the price? Hardly . . . So politics! And politics, as you know, is a dirty business (s).
              Sorry . ... ... One more "points of contact" will be lost. And they could "be friends at home". ... ...hi
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 June 2013 14: 39
                +5
                Quote: Rustiger
                and the current hypocrisy of today's Russian suppliers.

                and where does the licorice?
                Did Russia agree to give technology for these weapons?
                And is it really bad that we, despite the fact that we bought almost equivalent weapons, still got Russian?
            2. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 14 June 2013 14: 47
              +3
              Only co-production!
            3. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 14 June 2013 19: 51
              +5

              This is good for our defense industry!
            4. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 16 June 2013 23: 03
              +4
              Congratulations on your successful shopping! )
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 07: 24
        +5
        Quote: bask
        But I think armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and MRAP, Azerbaijan will purchase from Turkey and South Africa. (((If sold))

        Mrapy Matador and Marauder have been graduating in Baku for two years now!
        Going to get Mbombe!
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 14 June 2013 07: 47
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          Mrapy Matador and Marauder have been graduating in Baku for two years now!
          Going to get Mbombe!

          With planes, you have to decide, the faster the better, the most important thing is the air defense and the air force, the rest is on the sidelines, either let the JF decide that thread, or with the F-16 it is necessary to take about 20-25 hundred percent.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 08: 27
            11
            Quote: Gooch
            let it be that the thread with the JFs decide, or with the F-16 it is necessary to take about 20-25 hundred percent.

            Each plane also needs a pilot, and this is more difficult than buying a plane.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 June 2013 08: 39
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Each plane also needs a pilot, and this is more difficult than buying a plane.

              so with us all pilots necessarily fly to F-16 !!
            2. xetai9977
              xetai9977 14 June 2013 08: 41
              +1
              Romanov, you are poorly informed about the level of training of Azerbaijani Air Force pilots. The hours they fly at least are not inferior to your pilots. Pilots periodically undergo training in Turkey and Germany.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 11: 08
                +6
                Quote: xetai9977
                Romanov, you are poorly informed about the level of training of Azerbaijani Air Force pilots. The flying hours of them are at least not inferior to your pilots.

                I will answer you this way: there are pilots, but there are only a few good pilots, even we do not have many of them. Plus, combat experience is required, but you don’t have it, and we have almost none left.
                1. Predskazamus
                  Predskazamus 20 June 2013 14: 25
                  0
                  I hope we get it))
            3. smersh70
              smersh70 14 June 2013 08: 47
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Every plane also needs a pilot,



              Alexander .. in Baku, the Aviation School operates., Plus the technical staff is prepared by the Aviation Academy, plus cadets study in Turkey, Ukraine., In Russia ..
              so there is no problem. and most importantly, pilots constantly fly., flight hours work out in full ....
            4. smersh70
              smersh70 14 June 2013 09: 24
              +2
              Alexander is about to give you a direct answer about the pilots ... preparing the flight crew for the parade ..
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7b5zM0YqME&feature=player_detailpage
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 June 2013 09: 32
                +6

                If you are not opposed to Vurgun, I will post your video!
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 14 June 2013 09: 53
                  +2




                  and I will add!
                  1. kotdavin4i
                    kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 10: 11
                    +9
                    Alibek - in the video about the super-hind-captain, my friend is a great guy, and a great pilot.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 14 June 2013 10: 15
                      +2
                      Quote: kotdavin4i
                      Alibek - in the video about the super-hind-captain, my friend is a great guy, and a great pilot.

                      Sanych did you see this clip before or am I the culprit * of a meeting * unexpected ??
                      1. kotdavin4i
                        kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 10: 28
                        +3
                        I saw both the clip and the photo of a friend at the airfield at this "bird")))
                2. kotdavin4i
                  kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 10: 08
                  +3
                  Already fly, Our eagles!
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 14 June 2013 16: 49
                    +5
                    but especially for YOU ..... flight on a shaver .....
                3. smersh70
                  smersh70 14 June 2013 10: 30
                  +1
                  good Bravo !!! clearly and clearly ... !!
                4. Gooch
                  Gooch 14 June 2013 13: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  If you are not opposed to Vurgun, I will post your video!

                  From all that has been said, I understood only "Helicopter")) When my mother is on the street with Azerbaijanis, she starts talking the same way, I get scared.)
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 14 June 2013 13: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Gooch
                    )) When the mother begins to talk with Azerbaijanis on the street, I feel scared.)

                    )))))))))))
                    learn nothing)))
                  2. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 14 June 2013 18: 09
                    +3
                    Do you want GOOCH? I’ll teach you. The language is easy. We do not have births (male. Female. Environment).
                    1. Gooch
                      Gooch 14 June 2013 19: 06
                      +2
                      Quote: xetai9977
                      Do you want GOOCH? I’ll teach you. The language is easy. We do not have births (male. Female. Environment).

                      I can’t take it out, I'm stupid)
                      1. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 14 June 2013 19: 16
                        +4
                        So far, prove the opposite. Many will envy your erudition and sense of humor.
                      2. The comment was deleted.
            5. smersh70
              smersh70 14 June 2013 15: 50
              +5
              Photos in the studio)))))
              1. Gooch
                Gooch 14 June 2013 16: 02
                +2
                Quote: smersh70
                Photos in the studio)))))

                what kind of plane is in the background?
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 14 June 2013 16: 12
                  +3
                  Mimino flew on it)))))))))))))) but seriously, one of the aircraft in service with the Turkish Air Force .....
                  1. Gooch
                    Gooch 14 June 2013 16: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: smersh70
                    Mimino flew on it)))))))))))))) but seriously, one of the aircraft in service with the Turkish Air Force .....

                    a strange device, if it used to be, then it looks too modern on the T-38 Talon is similar but it’s not like it, and it’s not very similar to F5
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 14 June 2013 16: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: Gooch
                      , and it’s not particularly like F5

                      I still think the F-5, just shot on the picture is not successful!
                      1. Gooch
                        Gooch 14 June 2013 16: 58
                        +3
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Quote: Gooch
                        , and it’s not particularly like F5

                        I still think the F-5, just shot on the picture is not successful!

                        No, not F5, look at the tail.
                        And there is clearly a single-engine
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 14 June 2013 17: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Gooch
                        No, not F5, look at the tail.
                        And there is clearly a single-engine

                        yeah)))
                        Problem)))))))))))
                      3. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 14 June 2013 17: 10
                        +5
                        Sorry for the F-104 error
                      4. Gooch
                        Gooch 14 June 2013 17: 15
                        +3
                        Quote: ayyildiz
                        F-104

                        And as of, at least sit down and fly right now)
                      5. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 14 June 2013 17: 19
                        +3
                        F-104 before 1993 served!
                      6. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 14 June 2013 17: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: Gooch
                        And as of, at least sit down and fly right now)


                        When they remind you every time! TUYU BITMEMIS YETIMLERIN HAKKI VAR O SILAHTA! She cannot look differently hi
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 16: 14
            +2
            Quote: Gooch
            what kind of plane is in the background?

            This is Turkey!
          3. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 14 June 2013 16: 27
            +3
            F-5 probably
          4. kotdavin4i
            kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 22: 18
            +3
            This is Lockheed F-104 Starfighter - here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter
            Photo from the Turkish Air Force Military Academy.
      3. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 20 June 2013 14: 24
        0
        Well, there was a time when the Soviet wishes were practically nonexistent. But now young people are studying. There are frames. The main thing is to have a desire and a mat base.
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 08: 52
      +8
      I don’t see the sense in F-16 (sorry, but this is my opinion) - for F-16 we need our own range of ammunition, our own fuel, our own software for electronics and navigation, we have MIG-29 and SU-25 - this is enough, The first for gaining superiority in the air (although what superiority can there be if there is no air force in Karabakh at all - a couple of old helicopters do not count), Su-25 for launching assault attacks on ground equipment and personnel of the enemy.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 09: 00
        +6
        Quote: kotdavin4i
        Su-25 for delivering assault attacks on ground equipment and personnel of the enemy.

        Good morning Sanya!
        I think that after the acquisition of the SU-34 squadron, we could say that this is enough for us!
        1. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 10: 05
          +4
          And to You Alibek - All the best, the Su-34 is a very good car - BUT I don’t think they will sell it (although it would be nice to have a 10).
  2. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 14 June 2013 10: 07
    +2
    Good afternoon, Alibek. And what happens to the airfields in Pumping and in Gyaja? As you can see, Pump is almost completely restored. They say that they became the property of Israel. And two more. It's right?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 June 2013 10: 20
      +5
      Quote: Hedgehog
      Good afternoon, Alibek. And what happens to the airfields in Pumping and in Gyaja? As you can see, Pump is almost completely restored. They say that they became the property of Israel. And two more. It's right?

      Hello!!
      As far as I know, airfields have long been tidied up!
      True, I recently read that the Turks will modernize the airfield in Sitalchai, but for what I did not understand, it seems to be modernized!
      As for the sale of airfields to Israel, nonsense, but relations with Israel are very close!
      Why sell them an airfield ??
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 14 June 2013 10: 32
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        Why sell them an airfield ??

        If I’m not mistaken, an article on one of the links posted here on the VO slipped here about the sale of four airfields. And that was just recently.
        That's why I ask. It seems a long time ago I saw that Pump is normal. And the question begs, what else needed to be restored there. Yes, and in Ganja, too, all the stripes are in order, and all parking is normal. Looks like someone really needs to lie.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 10: 56
          +4
          Quote: Hedgehog
          If I’m not mistaken, an article on one of the links posted here on the VO slipped here about the sale of four airfields. And that was just recently

          it was last year, that article, in the winter, in January !!
          Printed American newspaper * policy foreygen *
          I think this was a custom-made article with far-reaching plans!
          Around that time, the whole world learned that Israel and Azerbaijan were signing major military contracts and supplying large quantities of modern weapons !!
          Let’s let us be realistic why Azerbaijan should sell airfields to Israel, then when if our state wants to provide these airfields, then it will provide it when it wants and how much it wants without noise and dust!? Why should Israel buy an airfield for the same reasons?
          and in general I do not see the need for Israel to have an airfield with us!
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 14 June 2013 11: 10
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            Printed American newspaper * policy foreygen *

            I remember that note well. There was no specific quantity given. That’s the reason. And in the new Ganja and Pump were clearly identified. Although, it would be better for them to have closer to the border with Iran. True, all this is strange. Or it was some kind of video. Eh, I got confused with all this. laughing
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 June 2013 11: 38
              +4
              Quote: Hedgehog
              There was no specific quantity given. That’s the reason

              cited and it was in this quantity)))))
              I even then began to search, but how much remain myself))
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 14 June 2013 12: 17
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                and how much will remain))

                This is exactly how it turns out! Himself, on occasion, will remain the most remote and seedy
  3. Arkan
    Arkan 14 June 2013 21: 56
    +2
    Quote: Yarbay
    Mrapy Matador and Marauder have been graduating in Baku for two years now!

    Good afternoon Alibek, Previously, there was information that Azerbaijan was planning to launch production of grenade launchers together with the Serbs, it is interesting - the production has already been established, and what grenade launchers will produce?
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 15 June 2013 08: 57
      +5
      Greetings, Sergey! already in the summer should start, revolver-type grenade launchers.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 15 June 2013 09: 12
      +5
      Hello, Sergey!!
      alas, I have no other information!
      Azerbaijan will produce drum grenade launchers together with Serbia.

      As transfers AZE.az, in the capital of the United Arab Emirates, in Abu Dhabi at the stand of Serbia at the IDEX-2013 defense exhibition, APA reported that a new plant is being built in Azerbaijan with the participation of Serbia. This plant will produce 40 and 46 mm drum (revolver type) grenade launchers.

      In the future, this plant will be able to produce other weapons. A grenade launcher is a portable firearm designed to defeat enemy equipment, structures or manpower by firing ammunition that is significantly larger in caliber than a small arms cartridge.

      40- and 46-mm grenade launchers are designed to destroy the enemy’s manpower, lightly armored vehicles and vehicles ..
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 15 June 2013 09: 15
        +2
        Within the framework of the IDEX-2011 defense exhibition held in Abu Dhabi, the Ministry of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan and the Turkish MKEK signed a joint production agreement.

        APA correspondent sent to Abu Dhabi reports that the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Iran Yaver Jamalov and the Minister of National Defense of Turkey, Vedji Kyonul, attended the signing ceremony.

        According to the agreement, jointly with MKEK and on the basis of technologies proposed by this company, grenade launchers and submachine guns of the MP-5 type and their ammunition will be produced at Azerbaijani enterprises.

        The agreement includes a transfer to Azerbaijan of necessary technologies.
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 14 June 2013 08: 11
    +2
    Inaccuracy in the article. This technique was purchased in 2011. Now the delivery is under way under previously signed contracts with Russia. The first batch of 155mm FYRTYNA self-propelled guns has been delivered this year. True, they are not enough to be shown at the parade. And the Altai tank. has not yet been put into series. Negotiations are underway on the modernized "Cobras". So the Turkish technology will come, moreover, in the most modern versions.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 14 June 2013 08: 57
    +4
    Quote: bask
    But I think armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and MRAP, Azerbaijan will purchase from Turkey and South Africa



    but the armored personnel carriers of South Africa and Turkey, to be honest, it’s better all the same Soviet armored personnel carriers ... agree. at least they don’t ride on, but sit inside ...... knowing that they will survive if they are undermined .....
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 14 June 2013 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: smersh70
      but the armored personnel carriers of South Africa and Turkey, to be honest, it’s better all the same Soviet armored personnel carriers ... agree. at least they don’t ride on, but sit inside ...... knowing that they will survive if they are undermined .....

      Read about the BTR-90 there mine protection is made with the latest technology, certainly not worse than looters.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 11: 02
        +3
        Quote: DEfindER
        Read about the BTR-90

        So it is not released as far as I know!
        And like the Russian Defense Ministry, too, refused to buy it!
        If the country does not buy, then who will buy?
  • smersh70
    smersh70 14 June 2013 15: 31
    +6
    Made by us .....
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 14 June 2013 15: 47
      +2
      Just about the marauder, Richard Hammond and Jeremy Clarkson are handsome, as always with typical English humor.)
      http://video.day.az/view=xa569rxf
  • Orel
    Orel 14 June 2013 07: 27
    +6
    It is good of course that they buy our weapons, but the objective imbalance of the armed forces of Azerbaijan and Armenia is already clearly looming, and not in favor of the latter. This will contribute to the temptation of Azerbaijan to resolve the issue of Karabakh by force. However, what is our choice? Do not sell weapons now? Not us, so others. It is necessary to somehow resolve the Karabakh conflict, moreover, without military action, but at the negotiating table.
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 14 June 2013 07: 45
      +4
      Quote: Orel
      It is good of course that they buy our weapons, but the objective imbalance of the armed forces of Azerbaijan and Armenia is already clearly looming, and not in favor of the latter.

      Let the Armenians buy equipment from Iran, super invisible drones, a small "stealth" plane for breaking through air defense, midget submarines to patrol rivers, super tanks "Zulfikar" ala, M60, T72, M48, super air defense developed on the basis of Khavka 60s years, also flying boats, copies of American drones and ballistic rockets.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 14 June 2013 08: 15
        +2
        And the Armenians are not used to buying. They will always take nothing for free. And delivery is at the expense of the donor.
        1. Denis
          Denis 14 June 2013 09: 40
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          As always, they will take it for free. And delivery is at the expense of the donor.
          I want to believe that this is over. The market, you want to buy, you want to pass by
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 14 June 2013 10: 32
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          And the Armenians are not used to buying. They will always take nothing for free. And delivery is at the expense of the donor.

          Again, it’s negative that you won’t understand that between the Armenians and Azerbaijanis they artificially drove a wedge, someone just needed a hot spot in the region, and for this they used every opportunity, for example, a religious one, or simply a provocation. In the days of the USSR before Gorbachev this was impossible ..
          1. Algor73
            Algor73 14 June 2013 12: 19
            +3
            For a long time, there have been persistent quarrels between Armenia and Azerbaijan in connection with Nagorno-Karabakh. Nobody drove a wedge. Only with regard to the supply of weapons, yes, the region is "heating up", and all arms suppliers are heating it
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 33
              +2
              Quote: Algor73
              Stubborn quarrels have been going on between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh.

              what disputes are you talking about?
              Tens of thousands of dead, a million refugees in your opinion are periodic quarrels?
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 14 June 2013 08: 49
      +5
      Quote: Orel
      Not us, so others


      finally EAGLE! 1 time I completely agree with YOU !!! hi
    3. shark
      shark 14 June 2013 09: 17
      +2
      It seems to me that Russia’s policy in this situation is selling such weapons to Yerevan and Baku. Moreover, it’s more in Baku. But in Armenia there is a base of the RF Armed Forces. So, there is no talk of any imbalance.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 09: 24
        +3
        Quote: shark
        It seems to me that Russia’s policy in this situation is selling such weapons to both Yerevan and Baku

        and what did they sell to Armenia?
        Rather, what can Armenia buy?
        And Russia will give obsolete weapons for free!
        Quote: shark
        . But in Armenia there is a base of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

        Quote: shark
        . But in Armenia there is a base of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

        Those units that are on the border with Azerbaijan are much more impressive than the base in Armenia!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 June 2013 09: 37
          +2
          You do not forget that in the north border with Russia. And we have more troops than in all of your Transcaucasia. Our base in Armenia is quite protected.
          1. experienced
            experienced 14 June 2013 09: 49
            +7
            Quote: Spade
            You do not forget that in the north border with Russia. And we have more troops than in all of your Transcaucasia. Our base in Armenia is quite protected.

            I marvel at the stupidity of some members of the forum fool Is that how you think dumb people are sitting in our government? Or is Putin like the EBN who left weapons in Chechnya, and then these weapons shot at our guys?
            Such arms deliveries are coordinated at the intergovernmental level, and if there was even the slightest threat to the database between Russia and Azerbaijan, then not only would they not be delivered, but other imports would be blocked if possible !!!!
            Shovels - dig in and don't be ashamed wassat
            And dig a ditch for the stripe carpet next to it too, otherwise he seems to have lost his scent and because of a personal resentment against the Azerbaijani he went against the will of his "idol"
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2013 10: 02
              -1
              Quote: seasoned
              Is that how you think dumb people are sitting in our government?

              No, greedy. The lobbying interests of our defense industry, contrary to the interests of our state.

              Quote: seasoned
              Such arms deliveries are coordinated at the intergovernmental level, and if there was even the slightest threat to the database between Russia and Azerbaijan, then not only would they not be delivered, but other imports would be blocked if possible !!!!

              Yes, you, too, seem to be from Putinoid? The brilliant National Leader has foreseen everything and therefore there is nothing to worry about? I hasten to upset your company: he makes mistakes very often.

              Quote: seasoned
              And for the strip carpet next to it, also dig a ditch

              Looks like a place for both of you in this ditch.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 09: 55
            +6
            Quote: Spade
            You do not forget that in the north border with Russia.

            Shovels before writing, read carefully what you answer!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2013 10: 03
              +3
              Read. You stated that you have more troops than at a Russian military base.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 June 2013 10: 10
                +9
                Quote: Spade
                Read. You stated that you have more troops than at a Russian military base.

                Read, but did not understand !!
                I stated that at YOU on the border with us MUCH more military equipment and personnel than at the base in Armenia !!
                and there it is impossible to understand otherwise))))))
              2. kotdavin4i
                kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 10: 20
                +4
                "Those units that stand on the border with Azerbaijan are much more impressive than the base in Armenia!" - And you, my friend, also turns out to be inattentive - Alibek meant that on the border with Azerbaijan - it means that our troops were not meant!
            2. experienced
              experienced 14 June 2013 10: 10
              +6
              Quote: Yarbay
              Shovels before writing, read carefully what you answer!

              Greetings, Alibek! hi
              I get the impression that here is some kind of theater of the absurd request So where does this desire for war come from? Yesterday, Turkey was planning to bomb Turkey with tactical nuclear weapons and Iskander’s Azerbaijani airfields and was ready to tear its butt on the British flag for the strip. Today his Government is corrupt, Putin is mistaken, he is ready to bury the strip, but the hunt has not disappeared wassat
              If it weren’t for the title (people have long been on the forum), I would have thought that the clown made a clone and the people are trolling laughing
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 June 2013 10: 22
                +4
                Quote: seasoned
                I get the impression

                Hello!!
                Honestly, I probably have a midlife crisis, I really want to fight, I think Lopatov has the same crisis)))))))))
                1. experienced
                  experienced 14 June 2013 10: 29
                  +9
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  To be honest, I probably have a midlife crisis, a very willingness to fight

                  belay When I had this crisis, it was for some reason drawn to young and beautiful girlsrepeat , but the fact that you and Lopatov is not a crisis of the Soviet Union, but some kind of militaristic perversion wassat It's better to chop paintball or get involved in hunting
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 14 June 2013 11: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: seasoned
                    When this crisis was for some reason attracted to young and beautiful girls, and the fact that you and Lopatov is not a crisis of the North Caucasus, but some kind of militaristic perversion It’s better to cut paintball or get involved in hunting

                    killed)))))))))))))))))
                    I chop wood))))))
                  2. Predskazamus
                    Predskazamus 20 June 2013 14: 43
                    0
                    good ))))))))))))))))) 000
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 14 June 2013 10: 40
                  +4
                  No, thank you, I fought before the rygachka. And therefore, now a pacifist. And I can’t watch how our silver-loving ones are slowly building a meat grinder for my friends and former subordinates.
              2. atalef
                atalef 14 June 2013 10: 24
                +5
                Quote: seasoned
                So where does this desire for war come from? Yesterday, Turkey was planning to bomb Turkey with tactical nuclear weapons and Iskander’s Azerbaijani airfields and was ready to tear its butt on the British flag for the strip. Today his Government is corrupt, Putin is mistaken, he is ready to bury the strip, but the hunt has not disappeared

                It's like a saying
                It’s all the same for us Tatars that to advance is to run, what to retreat is to run soldier
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 14 June 2013 10: 50
                  +3
                  You'd better go buy gas masks.

                  Better yet, signal the Mossad so that he and Gozman figured out how well they know how. And then thanks to him, and to Baba Lera’s activity in Russia, the level of anti-Semitism will soon go off scale.

                  And it's worth taking a closer look at Tatyana Menaker. And then the citizens, after reading her revelations about "Russians with their historical, ancestral, tendency to be slaves, so clearly described by Vasily Grossman" (c) will soon go to burn synagogues
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 14 June 2013 14: 44
                    +7
                    Quote: Spade

                    And it's worth taking a closer look at Tatyana Menaker. And then the citizens, after reading her revelations about "Russians with their historical, ancestral, tendency to be slaves, so clearly described by Vasily Grossman" (c) will soon go to burn synagogues

                    Ms. Menaker is a Russian citizen? If so, then hanging it, planting it or chopping it with an ax is your problem. Well, if tomorrow all Russia’s synagogues and Jewish centers will be burned in Russia then I personally ........ The only thing I would not like to see is the repetition of Babi Yar. But this is already a problem for Russian Jews. You can’t eat a fish and ........ not sit down. If, according to your words, it is not safe for Jews in Russia, let them raise their asses, and if it is safe, let them not whine about anti-Semitism.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 14 June 2013 14: 52
                      0
                      She is a US citizen. He lives there.

                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      If, according to your words, it is not safe for Jews in Russia, let them raise their asses, and if it is safe, let them not whine about anti-Semitism.

                      There is a rather interesting situation here - part of yours is intensely fueled by anti-Semitic sentiments in Russian society. I don’t know why.
                    2. smersh70
                      smersh70 14 June 2013 15: 02
                      +6
                      Quote: Spade
                      There is a rather interesting situation here - part of yours is intensely fueled by anti-Semitic sentiments in Russian society. I don’t know why


                      Comrade Lopatov !!!!!!! finished blaming Azerbaijanis ... switched to Jews ........ laughing somehow it turns out bad .. everyone is to blame ... before YOU. Regards .....
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 14 June 2013 15: 21
                      +2
                      And where do I blame the Jews?
                  2. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 14 June 2013 16: 27
                    +5
                    Quote: Spade
                    She is a US citizen. He lives there.

                    Well and then you then pay attention to it? request

                    There is a rather interesting situation here - part of yours is intensely fueled by anti-Semitic sentiments in Russian society. I don’t know why.

                    This is solely their problem. Only physical reprisals can strain me in relation to him from the Russians, and if you tomorrow all Russian citizens, Jews by nationality, throw your country out of your country without pants, then for me as an Israeli it is neither cold nor hot.
      2. Stoic
        Stoic 14 June 2013 10: 06
        +3
        The only source on the sale of T-90s to Azerbaijan is APA's Azerbaijani website. Let's wait, of course, for the parade "the greatest and invincible, who has never known victories", but 100% fake.
        As well as the purchase of MSTA-S.
        Germany does not sell self-propelled engines to the Turks, so that the Turks could not deliver self-propelled guns to Azerbaijanis, so as not to aggravate the situation in the NKR region.
        And although yarbay are chanting here bravura marches, that all issues have been resolved, this is not so.
        There will be neither Fartyn, nor T-90, nor MSTA-S at the parade
        Wait is not long left.
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 14 June 2013 10: 19
          +4
          Quote: Stoic
          The only source on the sale of T-90s to Azerbaijan is APA's Azerbaijani website. Let's wait, of course, for the parade "the greatest and invincible, who has never known victories", but 100% fake.
          As well as the purchase of MSTA-S.
          Germany does not sell self-propelled engines to the Turks, so that the Turks could not deliver self-propelled guns to Azerbaijanis, so as not to aggravate the situation in the NKR region.
          And although yarbay are chanting here bravura marches, that all issues have been resolved, this is not so.
          There will be neither Fartyn, nor T-90, nor MSTA-S at the parade
          Wait is not long left.

          In what Gurkhan writes in his blog, referring to his sources from the newspaper, a look is possible, but not:
          According to open sources, in 2011, an agreement was signed between the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan and Rosoboronexport on the supply of T-90S tanks. Information about the details of the contract, the number of tanks and delivery dates were not disclosed.
          Source: newspaper "Vzglyad"
          Gur Khan: 1. Gentlemen of the Independent fighters, as well as the Ukrainian media, not so long ago you were talking about a tender in Peru with the participation of your "Oplot" and T-64E, please explain now where they are, your "Oplot" and T -64E? Why are they not in Peru even in the form of a model model ??? And why did people "hang noodles" ?????
          2. In Azerbaijan, according to my information, the contract is designed for a number of something about 200 tanks, plus an option is possible. In addition to tanks, BREM-1M is purchased. Another thing interesting in this matter is that Azerbaijan also asked for BMPT, but it was allegedly refused to supply this machine.

          The T-90 costs about 4-5 million Baku, respectively, respectively, I think Azerbaijan can pull a contract for 800 million or $ 1 billion, given that he had already bought a billion dollars in Russia before, and if you add Turkey + Ukraine + Belarus, so finally there is an astronomical amount. So it may well be that everything has already been purchased
          1. Stoic
            Stoic 14 June 2013 10: 28
            +4
            Recently, more and more often it has come up against the assertion that the so-called Azerbaijan is a modern tank T-90S. And all would be fine if this statement were circulated by ordinary people. However, just the other day this statement was repeated by the famous political scientist Andrei Areshev in his article “Nagorno-Karabakh: gloomy prospects”. Below we will try to show that the information on the presence in the armed forces of the so-called. Azerbaijan’s T-90S tank is Baku misinformation.
            A simple search on the Internet shows that the first time this information was distributed by the Baku site apa.az. A news report dated February 10, 2012, without specifics, refers to "military sources" and reports that "information on the details of the contract, the number of tanks and delivery dates were not disclosed." That is, most likely, we are dealing with misinformation or the pursuit of rating.

            Immediately after the publication of APA, the “news” was reprinted by many information sites, including vesti.az, and from there it got into the Wikipedia Internet encyclopedia.

            The further life of the Baku disinformation was given by the Russian portal lenta.ru. On October 9, 2012, the site published a news note, which contains the following sentence: “In addition to India, in 2011, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry acquired a number of T-90S; details of the deal were not disclosed. " Judging by the article itself, it turns out that the news was compiled on the basis of a message spread by "Uralvagonzavod" - an enterprise that produces T-90 tanks. However, in reality this is not true.

            On the site of "Uralvagonzavod" search for the word "Azerbaijan" gives only 2 results and they do not mention the supply of T-90 tanks to this country. There is no such information in the "news" and "press center" sections of the "Uralvagonzavod" website. But if the site lenta.ru, publishing its note, would be based on a press release distributed by Uralvagonzavod, then the original press release would have been published on the site of the tank-building enterprise itself, where all information disseminated by the press center of Uralvagonzavod is accurately published.

            It is also noteworthy that for October 9, 2012. and adjacent numbers on the Uralvagonzavod website still have one mention of the T-90 tank. This mention is in the press center section of the website in the message “T-90 tank celebrated its anniversary”, but there is no word “Azerbaijan” there either. At the same time, the rest of the information from the message shows that the note of the lenta.ru site is based on this message.

            Thus, we can confidently assert that, apparently, having received an uninformative press release from the press center of "Uralvagonzavod", the journalist of the lenta.ru website decided to use the informational occasion and prepare news. Therefore, he went to Wikipedia and, among other things, took Baku disinformation from there. This is also confirmed by the presence in the lenta.ru note of the phrase that "the details of the transaction were not disclosed." This phrase shows the genetic link between the lenta.ru note and the disinformation from apa.az.

            It is worth noting that if things were different, and the press center of Uralvagonzavod would distribute an informative press release and the site lenta.ru would not have the need to refer to Wikipedia, then the press release from Uralvagonzavod was reprinted would be at least a few serious information sites with a military section. And in fact the "news" appeared on lenta.ru and from there it was reprinted by secondary news sites.
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 14 June 2013 10: 48
              +2
              Quote: Stoic
              Recently, more and more often come across the statement, as if the armed forces of the so-called Of Azerbaijan there is a modern tank T-90S. And all would be fine if this statement were circulated by ordinary people. However, just the other day, this statement was repeated famous political scientist Andrei Areshev in his article “Nagorno-Karabakh: joyless prospects”. Below we will try to show that the information on the availability in the aircraft of the so-called Azerbaijan’s T-90S tank is Baku misinformation.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 June 2013 11: 13
              0
              Quote: Stoic
              Notably the same

              wax again)))))))))) ???
              Quote: Gooch
              So it may well be that everything has already been purchased

              I remember the 2011 articles on the contract for the T-90, they wrote about 100 pieces!
              And there I remember in the article that the details and terms were not disclosed on request of the contract!
              And in general, the experience of almost all major contracts signed by Azerbaijan suggests that everyone usually found out about the purchased one after the contract was fully executed, especially in the case of the Moscow Region!
              Is S-300 was the same with Israeli weapons !!
              I won’t be surprised if it turns out that Azerbaijan bought the planes from Russia, I remember how representatives of the Russian company and the Moscow Region told the press that such negotiations would not be conducted!
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            4. smersh70
              smersh70 17 June 2013 00: 38
              +1
              column of T-90S and Pinocchio flamethrowers on the line (c) of the ront
              Quote: Stoic
              Recently, more and more often it has come up against the assertion that the so-called Azerbaijan is a modern tank T-90S. AND


              STOIC, STAND UP .. stop sleeping .. Our drive for cognac [media = http: //lenta13.ru/upload/news/13/2013/06/picture-51bc992a
              6117d.jpg]
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 10: 24
          +6
          Quote: Stoic
          Neither T-90 nor MSTA-S will be at the parade

          and if you will again self-destruct or eat your hat ??))))))))))
        3. smersh70
          smersh70 14 June 2013 10: 38
          +3
          Quote: Stoic
          There will be neither Fartyn, nor T-90, nor MSTA-SZhDat at the parade.


          Let's argue ---- I here offered you a dispute - if you lose, then you put a can of Armenian cognac (though so that arsenic does not add) laughing .if I lose .. I put in a canister of high-quality gasoline (we have it in red, EURO-2) or a can of diesel fuel ... fellow drinks
          1. Gooch
            Gooch 14 June 2013 15: 06
            +1
            There will be neither Fartyn, nor T-90, nor MSTA-SZhDat at the parade.

            I will pour a full canister of Pinocchio soda, only it will contain a "piece" of my soul, if you do not mind :)
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 14 June 2013 16: 20
              +2
              Quote: Gooch
              will be with a "piece" of my soul,

              Quote: Gooch
              will be with a "piece" of my soul,



              CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!!! YOU are a senior officer !!!!!! and he will lose everything early ... so we will drink Armenian cognac !!!!!! I invite everyone to a banquet after the parade !!!!!! !!!))) Stoik - I will wait for cognac on the Georgian border with Armenia .. or somewhere in the mountains ... tell me the time)))) With thoughts about cognac ... hi
        4. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 11: 42
          +5
          Well, why only APA - this is the Russian resource http://www.newsru.com/russia/14feb2012/t90.html - the truth was it was at the end of 2012, BUT IT WAS, and since we were negotiating then we bought it, we just negotiate we won’t, it just doesn’t make sense ...
        5. Firat
          Firat 16 June 2013 17: 29
          +4
          Quote: Stoic
          The only source on the sale of T-90s to Azerbaijan is APA's Azerbaijani website. Let's wait, of course, for the parade "the greatest and invincible, who has never known victories", but 100% fake.
          As well as the purchase of MSTA-S.

          I understand you tried so hard to write such an "article" about the fact that this is disinformation ...
          But I have to upset you ...
          Hold http://alejandro-8.blogspot.com/2013/06/azerbayan-recibe-nuevos-equipos.html

          Now you don’t have to wait for the parade to see how you break off ...
          You already broke off smile
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 16 June 2013 18: 29
            +2
            Quote: Firat
            You already broke off


            Comrade Judge !!! and he still has vision problems)) so he has a great ear))))) he will make sure when all this will fly on his head laughing


            But Pinocchio simply pleased .. here is the news! and also cool !!! they say she did a great job in A (in) Ganistan, in the mountains !!!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 16 June 2013 20: 04
              +3
              Quote: smersh70
              But Pinocchio simply pleased .. here is the news! and also cool !!! they say she did a great job in A (in) Ganistan, in the mountains !!!

              We had in my opinion and before this Pinocchio))
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 16 June 2013 20: 40
                +2
                maybe it was ... but only at the academy. as a showcase ... as far as I know ... they weren’t used in large quantities and they weren’t ... even at the last parade they didn’t show .... although, let’s say, they showed 300 ... many did not even believe about him ......
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 June 2013 21: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: smersh70
                  ..massively they weren’t used and they weren’t ... not even shown at the last parade ...

                  Really weird!
                  Here he writes that we have 6 units !!
                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE_(%
                  D0%A2%D0%9E%D0%A1)
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 16 June 2013 21: 44
                  +1
                  it is precisely these purchased on (in) from 6 Pinocchio, to which the Stoic worshiped in childhood))))) stoic - drive cognac !!!!!!!!!!)))))
                  Previously, these machines were purchased by Kazakhstan. Like Kazakhstani cars, these are also created on the basis of T-90 tanks and equipped with a V-92C2 engine.
                  These machines are more modern than those that are in service with the Russian army.

                  Ours have T-72 tanks as a base. As reported on the manufacturer’s website, the TOS-1A combat vehicle is designed to destroy enemy manpower located in open areas and structures, as well as to disable lightly armored vehicles and vehicles.
                  Specifications:
                  Mass, t. 44,3
                  Crew, people. 3
                  Maximum speed km / h 60
                  Power reserve, km Xnumx
                  ARMAMENT
                  Multi-launcher launcher
                  Number of guide tubes, pcs. Xnumx
                  Shooting range, m .:
                  - minimum 400
                  - maximum 6000
                  Full salvo time, sec. Xnumx
                  Type of ammunition Nurs.
                  The T-90S acquired by Azerbaijan have modern thermal imagers, guided missile weapons and optoelectronic suppression systems for high-precision weapons, as well as air conditioners. This will significantly improve the living conditions of crews in hot climates. Unfortunately, the T-90A is not yet equipped with air conditioners for the Russian army.
                3. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 June 2013 21: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: smersh70
                  it is precisely these purchased on (c) from 6 Pinocchio, to which the Stoic worshiped as a child)))))

                  It is unlikely that it is written on the BM-1!
                  Sanych correctly noticed, and these on the T-90!
                  And let David self-destruct))))
                4. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 16 June 2013 22: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Sanych correctly noticed, and these on the T-90!
                5. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 16 June 2013 23: 08
                  +3
                  I meant the Pinocchio platform !!
                  The wiki says it’s on the T-72 platform, and here on the T-90 platform!
                6. smersh70
                  smersh70 16 June 2013 23: 27
                  +2
                  stop ... as far as I know .. the chassis of the T-72 and T-90 are identical ... the difference in tanks was in the filling and protection ... well, and they increased the engine power to 1050 lyus. like the Indians ...
                  .TOS-1 complex has 30 guides on the combat vehicle, 1 on the TOS-24A complex. The guide package can be guided in horizontal and vertical planes: the rotary mechanism is mounted on the seat of the standard T-72 tank turret. Vertical guidance is carried out by lifting the entire package.

                  One of the main differences between the original and the upgraded version of the flame-thrower system is a different number of guides for missiles. The reason for this was the peculiarities of the combat use of the complex. Since the maximum launching range of MO.101.04 type rockets was relatively small, the troops immediately began to take measures regarding the safety of the vehicle and crew. The space-detonating or incendiary warhead, having been damaged on the launcher, can destroy the entire machine. In order to avoid such incidents, even during the first applications of TOC-1 in Afghanistan (late eighties), the crews left the extreme side guides empty. Because of this, the relatively rare fragments and bullets of the enemy had almost no chance of damaging the missiles. Taking into account this experience, the engineers of the Omsk transport engineering design bureau redid the design of the launcher. Firstly, the “loss” of six missiles in practice did not have a significant effect on the effectiveness of the shooting. Therefore, only 24 guides were left. Secondly, the saved volume and weight was given to ensure the protection of missiles. Now the external lining of the launcher is made of armor plates and can withstand the hit of an armor-piercing bullet B-32 (cartridge 7,62х54 mm) from a distance 500 meters. Thus, the combat vehicle of the TOC-1A complex is practically not at risk of destruction as a result of damage to the missile warhead with small arms or splinters, especially when firing the MO.101.04М at a maximum range. With regard to the protection of the chassis and crew, the anti-shell protection of the armored hull of the T-72 tank does not withstand hitting only powerful cumulative and high-speed sub-caliber feathered projectiles.
                7. Firat
                  Firat 17 June 2013 19: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Quote: smersh70
                  it is precisely these purchased on (c) from 6 Pinocchio, to which the Stoic worshiped as a child)))))
                  It is unlikely that it is written on the BM-1!
                  Sanych correctly noticed, and these on the T-90!
                  And let David self-destruct))))

                  Previously, these machines were purchased by Kazakhstan. Like Kazakhstan’s vehicles, these are also based on T-90 tanks and equipped with a V-92C2 engine, Vestnik-rm.ru reports.

                  These machines are more modern than those that are in service with the Russian army.
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 16 June 2013 23: 31
                +3
                Let's start in order. The basis of the combat vehicle of the TOC-1 and TOC-1A complexes is the tracked chassis of the main battle tank T-72. B-46 diesel engine with 700 horsepower provides the 46-ton car mobility and maneuverability at the level of other armored vehicles, which allows you to operate as part of mobile shock groups. Thus, in the course of the already mentioned use of TOC-1 missiles on targets in the territory of the village of Komsomolsk, flamethrower systems were covered with T-72 tanks. Due to the same base and insignificant difference in the combat mass, “Buratino” and the tanks did not have any problems in interacting on the approach to the combat position and leaving it. Modification of the TOC-1A "Solntsep" received a new power plant - diesel B-84MS with a capacity of more than 800 horsepower. This innovation to a certain extent improved the driving characteristics of the combat vehicle.
                As you can see, the driving characteristics of the Pinocchio and Solntsepek armored fighting vehicles equipped with launchers could hardly have caused a small number of ordered vehicles. Maybe the military claims are caused by other machines of the complex? Probably. The initial TOS-1 complex included a transport-loading vehicle (TZM) based on the KrAZ-255B truck. The wheeled chassis was equipped with a cargo crane and devices for transporting unguided missiles. It is quite obvious that the wheeled undercarriage of the TZM of the flamethrower system did not have the same speed and passability indicators as the combat vehicle had. For this reason, the upgraded TOS-1A received a new transport and loading vehicle, made on the chassis of the T-72 tank. The target equipment of the new TZM was modified accordingly. In addition, special armored casings were added to the design, in the stowed position they cover missiles from bullets and fragments. For each combat vehicle of the Pinocchio and Solntsepek complexes, two TZMs with a set of unguided missiles are attached. If necessary, a quantity of cargo can be given to the connection of the flame throwers
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay 16 June 2013 23: 52
                +1
                Quote: smersh70
                Let's start in order.

                But how is it then ???
                These vehicles are also created on the basis of T-90 tanks and are equipped with a V-92C2 engine.
                These machines are more modern than those that are in service with the Russian army. Ours have T-72 tanks as a base. As reported on the site
                http://lenta13.ru/59862
              4. smersh70
                smersh70 17 June 2013 00: 09
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                Ours have T-72 tanks as a base. As reported on the site


                OUR-it is written in the News of Mordovia, where they were the first to write about it ....... that is, they call in several divisions that are in service with the Russian Armed Forces .... the difference is only in the power of the motor ....
                the reason TOS-1 and TOS-1A were not ordered in large quantities concerns the specific tactical niche of the complexes. Of course, if necessary, it would be possible to increase the firing range of flamethrower systems. But in this case, they will "overlap" with the existing MLRS. Meanwhile, purchases of new multiple launch rocket systems continue, which is not the case with heavy flamethrower systems. Thus, the only suitable tactical niche for heavy flamethrower systems remains small special operations where rapid deployment and instant destruction of manpower and poorly protected equipment over a relatively large area are required.
        6. smersh70
          smersh70 16 June 2013 23: 55
          +2
          Quote: Yarbay
          And let David self-destruct))))


          Recently, on the line (c) of the ront ... our demonstratively brought the art division to line (c) of the ront with the latest models of equipment and guns .... so in response, the Armenians loaded incendiary and thermobaric charges onto the Gaz-52 body. Even with primitive guides, the center of gravity of the machine has moved up.
          For this reason, one of the cars rolled over during demonstrations in front of Azerbaijani soldiers on the front line. .)))) The laughter of our fighters was heard already in Erivan))))) laughing
      3. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 16 June 2013 22: 49
        +3
        There are such
      4. Firat
        Firat 17 June 2013 18: 02
        +3
        Photos old somewhere 2-3 months
        Here is a new video where they go to Baku wink
  • Firat
    Firat 17 June 2013 02: 08
    +2
    Quote: Yarbay
    Here he writes that we have 6 units !!

    How many of them do not know
    This is an assumption ...
    There are 6 Pinocchio systems in the photo.
    So they write at least 6
  • Firat
    Firat 17 June 2013 22: 06
    +2
    Quote: Yarbay
    Here he writes that we have 6 units !!

    TOS-1A Based on t90 x 10 (6 delivered)
    T-300 Gasyrga (Turkey) x 18-24
    BM-30 Tornado x 24
    BM-27 Hurricane x 6
    BM-21 Grad x 62
    T-122 Sakarya (Turkey) x ??
    İMİ Lar-160 (Israel) x 30
    İMİ Lynx (Israel) x 35
    İMİ Extra (Israel) x 35
    Nayza (Israel) x ??
    TR-107 / Boran (Turkey / Azerbaijan) x 40
    RAk-12 (Bosnia and Herzegovina) x 12

    It turns out that the largest number of TOS-1A systems is with us?
    As far as I know, 19 were produced, of which 3 in Kazakhstan are 10 here and it turns out that 6 in Russia.
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 16 June 2013 21: 10
    +4
    when they are unloaded
  • DmitriRazumov
    DmitriRazumov 14 June 2013 10: 29
    +2
    It is curious that previously it was reported about the negotiations of Azerbaijan with Turkey on the supply of order 40 units SAU T-155 "Firtina". However, during the implementation of the transaction, a difficulty arose - because of the presence of a German engine on this combat vehicle, Germany blocked the contract.

    This example demonstrates that it is better to deal with independent partners in the arms market, and Turkey is not so; moreover, political instability may in general question the progress of other transactions with this country.

    Here some advertised Polish and Turkish tanks. are not essentially independent developments and depend on the supply of components and assemblies from abroad. This is a good example of whether it is worth dealing with such arms suppliers.

    Quote: Yarbay
    According to information from the Turkish corporation for mechanical engineering and the chemical industry, the issue has been settled with the German company MTU, the manufacturer of engines for this military equipment, which refused to participate in this order due to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in which Azerbaijan is involved. This was reported by Vesti.Az with reference to azeridefence.com.


    This once again suggests that issues with the purchase of such systems and weapons should be resolved with the native manufacturer, and not with the "parts assembler". Because at the most critical moment (hostilities), the supply of spare parts, components and assemblies may be stopped for political, financial or other reasons ...
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 June 2013 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: DmitriRazumov
      This once again suggests that issues with the purchase of such systems and weapons should be resolved with the native manufacturer, and not with the "parts assembler". Because at the most critical moment (hostilities), the supply of spare parts, components and assemblies may be stopped for political, financial or other reasons ...

      so MTU is a native manufacturer !!))
      please read carefully!

      and with the collector never end the relationship !!
      1. DmitriRazumov
        DmitriRazumov 14 June 2013 13: 39
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        Quote: Yarbay
        According to information from the Turkish corporation on mechanical engineering and the chemical industry, the issue has been settled with the German company MTU, a manufacturer of engines for this military equipment, which refused to participate in this order due to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in which Azerbaijan is involved. This was reported by Vesti.Az with reference to azeridefence.com.

        In accordance with your message, we are talking about the use of an intermediary organization. and provides arrangements. It does not follow from this that this organization will be able to guarantee deliveries in any conditions, as she herself depends on the will and desires of the main supplier. If in this transaction any other considerations are taken as the basis, then this is a slightly different business ...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 13: 52
          +3
          Quote: DmitriRazumov
          In accordance with your message, we are talking about the use of an intermediary organization. and provides arrangements.

          Yes, no, dear Dmitry, it was MTU that refused at first, but you are right somewhere you might not know this!

          T-155 Fırtına

          T-155 Fırtına Battalion Task Force, complete unit firing field exercise in 2012.
          Type Self-propelled artillery
          Place of origin turkey
          Service history
          Wars Operation Sun
          Syrian civil war
          Production history
          Designed 1998
          Produced 2001
          Specifications
          Weight Combat: 56 tons
          Length 12 m (39 ft 4 in)
          Width 3.5 m (11 ft 6 in)
          Height 3.43 m (11 ft 3 in)
          Crew 5 (Commander, Driver, Gunner, 2 Loaders)
          Main
          armament 155 mm L52 Artillery Gun
          Secondary
          armament 12.7 mm machine gun
          Engine MTU-881 KA 500 power pack
          1000+ hp

          Power / weight 17.85 hp / ton
          Suspension HSU
          Operational
          range 480 km (299 mi)
          Speed ​​66 km / h (41 mph)

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-155_F%C4%B1rt%C4%B1na
          1. DmitriRazumov
            DmitriRazumov 14 June 2013 17: 37
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            T-155 Fırtına

            T-155 Fırtına Battalion Task Force, complete unit firing field exercise in 2012 ...

            Dear Alibek, thanks for the information regarding the Turkish T-155 system.
            If Azerbaijani organizations have direct relations with Korean (license and much more), American (transmission) and German (engine) companies that are suppliers of basic components and equipment for howitzers, then this can reduce the risks of which. I wrote above. Those. The Turkish company is selected as a partner that reduces price costs and is located in close proximity to the consumer.
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  • Predskazamus
    Predskazamus 20 June 2013 14: 19
    0
    I am for adequate Russians. For That Russian spirit that beckons everyone without exception. But I am against the Zhido-ArmenianRussian officials who, for the sake of piles of ruling fraudsters, are pushing the country to the abyss.
  • OlegYugan
    OlegYugan 14 June 2013 07: 06
    +5
    Azerbaijan is arming heavily, I wonder why this is?
    1. bask
      bask 14 June 2013 07: 12
      +7
      Quote: OlegYugan
      Azerbaijan is arming heavily, I wonder why this is?

      Essno to the war ....
      The Karabakh conflict is not over yet. It’s just frozen. Politically, over the 20 years it has not been possible to resolve the issue. There will be a war, sooner or later. And the superiority in armaments, especially in the newest in Azerbaijan, is huge in comparison with Armenia.
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 14 June 2013 07: 18
      +5
      Quote: OlegYugan
      Azerbaijan is arming heavily, I wonder why this is?

      Probably by the rain)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 08: 28
        10
        Quote: Semyon Semyonich
        Probably by the rain)

        Yeah to lead belay
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 14 June 2013 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yeah to lead

          from nuclear clouds ...
  • Edward72
    Edward72 14 June 2013 07: 07
    +7
    That's right, and they did that they bought the proven equipment. And not like Nazar Babai there a little bit, there are not many, then they are tormented.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 16 June 2013 23: 34
      +3
      We have suffered with the repair of helicopter equipment in Russia. Yes, and with armored vehicles (modernization of the T-72 and a proposal for the production of armored personnel carriers in KZ), Russia did not go to the meeting. On the street - a complete zh.pa, they hoped that the Izhevsk people would do something fundamentally new, but it turned out again the same thing. We bought KAMAZ shots - it turned out to be such rubbish. It's good that we bought a trial batch. Now we always buy "probes" first.
      Here are your Tigers, Pinocchio and Terminators - worthwhile. Our tigers were bought when in Russia itself flows of mud poured on them in favor of Iveco.
      And the T-90 - we do not need. We need an upgrade of existing tanks.
      Z.Y. Nazarbayev, not Nazar Babai. I don’t go out over Russian surnames.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 16 June 2013 23: 38
        +2
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        and. Yes, and with armored vehicles

        Marek, you have thousands of tanks, is there really no large factory for repair ??
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 16 June 2013 23: 48
          +3
          as far as I know, in Kazakhstan there are about 4 tanks .... and, in principle, with whom they will fight ... it would be better if they sold .. part to us))))) on the cheap)))).
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 17 June 2013 00: 06
            +3
            China near Kazakhstan, do not forget?
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 17 June 2013 00: 26
              0
              smart Chinese people ..)) they do not take tanks ... they take ideas .... and quiet money projects ... good
          2. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 17 June 2013 00: 08
            +3
            Quote: smersh70
            it would be better if they sold .. part to us))))) on the cheap)))).

            It seems that Azerbaijan has signed a contract for 200 Т90, but not a little! And why do you need old equipment
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 17 June 2013 00: 29
              +1
              Quote: ayyildiz
              kind of Azerbaijan signed a contract for 200 T90, which is not enough! and why do you need old equipment


              well, 200 you turned down ... plus the tanks you bought .. plus the old tanks .... where to put them here))))

              and the old technique in the hands of a specialist is always a good technique !!!!!!!
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 17 June 2013 00: 36
                0
                This is written on the Turkish website! And Aliyev in an interview says a contract with Russia
                about 4 billion http://www.newstube.ru/media/il-xam-aliev-v-krizise-vinovaty-bezotvetstvennye-po
                litiki
              2. Predskazamus
                Predskazamus 20 June 2013 15: 06
                0
                old ones in the village, it’s necessary to put off-road vehicles as well))) In Dashkesyan, in Alakhanchaly village)))))))))))
          3. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 17 June 2013 00: 11
            +1
            The Germans began to get rid of a lot of things, but they could not sell the infection to Azerbaijan!
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 17 June 2013 00: 32
              +1
              Quote: ayyildiz
              The Germans began to get rid of a lot of things, n


              Yes, they long ago in the early 90s already leaked everything to Turkey ... and especially armored personnel carriers .... they already emptied all the warehouses ... plus they gave part to the Georgians ... especially (to) the army ... it’s true when in the 5-day war part of the Worm passed to the Russians. as tro (c) eh .... they changed their (c) form ...)))
  • Ivan79
    Ivan79 14 June 2013 07: 11
    +1
    Good news. You can be happy for our gunsmiths!
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 14 June 2013 07: 12
    +5
    but will our weapons be turned against Armenia.
    1. bask
      bask 14 June 2013 07: 15
      +9
      Quote: Alikovo
      but will our weapons be turned against Armenia.

      They will convert as they will!
      Tanks and self-propelled guns are bought only for war and for war !!!
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 14 June 2013 07: 20
        +6
        Quote: bask
        Quote: Alikovo
        but will our weapons be turned against Armenia.

        They will convert as they will!
        Tanks and self-propelled guns are bought only for war and for war !!!

        No, they say, for parades ...
        1. bask
          bask 14 June 2013 07: 23
          +6
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          No, they say, for parades ...

          FOR HUNT .. .. wassat
          1. Predskazamus
            Predskazamus 20 June 2013 15: 08
            0
            On kachkaldagov))))))))))))))))
    2. Edward72
      Edward72 14 June 2013 07: 16
      0
      And as much as you can think of the banana republics, you need to think about yourself. Give them just an excuse to kick Russia.
  • demon ada
    demon ada 14 June 2013 07: 14
    +7
    The "Urals" went to sunny Azerbaijan.
    but seriously
    Ural - the supporting edge of the state,
    her worker and blacksmith
    the earner of our ancient glory
    and the glory of the present creator.
  • MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 14 June 2013 07: 17
    +9
    Strange as that. Even the United States does not sell weapons to Azerbaijan, although given that Armenia is an ally of Russia, according to the rules of geopolitical competition, they should automatically sell.
    But they don’t sell it - thanks to the protests of the American Armenians.
    I can imagine what the Armenians should feel when their ally arms their enemies and at the same time keeps repeating "Armenia is still an ally."
    1. bask
      bask 14 June 2013 07: 21
      10
      Quote: Milafon
      but somehow. Even the US does not sell weapons to Azerbaijan

      And why do you want to sell weapons to Azerbaijan?
      Israel and Turkey will sell.
      Let's not forget that in the United States there is a powerful Armenian lobby ((second in terms of solidarity and wealth after the Jews))).
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 14 June 2013 07: 29
        +8
        Quote: bask
        And why do you want to sell weapons to Azerbaijan?

        Hello Earth! Yes, they and we do not care who to sell, money first of all. While weapons are being sold, the defense industry is alive.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 14 June 2013 08: 48
          +9
          Quote: Tersky
          Yes, they and we do not care who to sell, money first of all.

          Right Nothing personal just business
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 14 June 2013 10: 44
            +3
            Quote: Vadivak
            Right Nothing personal just business

            Good health, Vadim! "Money does not smell" said Vespasian, looking into the distant future, our present, and alas, he turned out to be a seer
      2. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 14 June 2013 07: 36
        +4
        Quote: bask
        Let's not forget that in the United States there is a powerful Armenian lobby ((second in terms of solidarity and wealth after the Jews))).

        So I write about it. The Armenian diaspora rustles in the West so that Europeans and Americans do not support Azerbaijan. Although it is profitable to annoy Russia over Azerbaijani oil, etc. etc. And here on you, the closest and only ally is selling.
        It turns out that Russia sold weapons to Azerbaijan thanks to the Armenian diaspora. wassat
      3. DEfindER
        DEfindER 14 June 2013 10: 41
        +3
        Quote: bask
        Let's not forget that in the United States there is a powerful Armenian lobby ((second in terms of solidarity and wealth after the Jews))).

        By the way, in Russia the most powerful Azerbaijani community also has an influence on the government, so I hope there will be no conflicts in Karabakh, as long as there is a strong Russia and strong ties between our fraternal peoples!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 11: 20
          0
          Quote: DEfindER
          By the way, by the way, in Russia the most powerful Azerbaijani community also has influence on the government,

          I think many people think primitively!
          this power has an influence on them, and not vice versa!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 June 2013 07: 31
      +5
      Quote: Milafon
      Even the US does not sell weapons to Azerbaijan

      The crisis is not an aunt - many European countries have lifted the embargo and are ready to sell weapons to Azerbaijan !!
      Quote: Milafon
      I can imagine what the Armenians should feel when their ally arms their enemies and at the same time keeps repeating "Armenia is still an ally."

      When they showed the S-300 to Americans, did they also think so ??
      In addition, did not sell Russia would have bought from others!
      For Armenia, the fact that Russia is an official ally is much more important than the sale or not sale by Russia of weapons to the enemy!
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 14 June 2013 07: 46
        +6
        Quote: Yarbay
        When they showed the S-300 to Americans, did they also think so ??

        Amers have a bunch of places where you can explore the S-300 - Algeria, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Slovakia, Croatia, and in the United States itself, no matter how the country has the S-300 (officially purchased the S-300V, without MCHP 9C32).
        So, the S-300 show in Armenia is a play played out to show the United States that this S-300 is in place, and not secretly transported to Iran.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 08: 18
          +4
          Quote: Milafon
          So, the S-300 show in Armenia is a play played out to show the United States that this S-300 is in place, and not secretly transported to Iran.

          Because of this, in those years, the Russian Foreign Ministry expressed protest to Armenia!
          I remember those days very well!
      2. Skarte
        Skarte 14 June 2013 08: 03
        +4
        Alibek, I'm curious about your opinion. The likelihood of the beginning of the conflict. Consequences of the conflict. Will Russia support Armenia in case of a conflict? In my opinion, Russia has no particular desire to harness itself for the "ally" Armenia, although it will have to be due to the CSTO, but there will hardly be direct intervention (my guess is, if a conflict suddenly occurs).
        1. MilaPhone
          MilaPhone 14 June 2013 08: 32
          +5
          Quote: Yarbay
          Because of this, in those years, the Russian Foreign Ministry expressed protest to Armenia! I well remember those days!

          So I'm talking performance. And Russia is in the lead role in the play "How to Deliver the S-300 to Iran".
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 08: 34
          +5
          Quote: Skarte
          Alibek, I'm curious about your opinion. The likelihood of a conflict. The consequences of the conflict. Will Russia support Armenia in case of conflict.

          I have only open information!
          It is clear that almost all countries that have weight in the world are not interested in the war!
          But it seems to me all the more tired of the obstinacy of Armenia and everyone understands that something needs to be changed!
          I think if there is no further progress in the negotiations, then there will probably be a short war, after which Armenia will become more accommodating!
          Not only the economic weight of Azerbaijan is growing, but also the political one (member of the UN Security Council)!
          I think if Azerbaijan sees that there are no prospects for peace talks, then at the moment convenient for itself, starting from the political situation in the world, it will begin to liberate the territories! Only Russia will be a deterrent! If there is no direct intervention, then Armenia will not shine!

          I personally would have started this process a long time ago, but thank God it does not depend on me !!
          The consequences of the conflict, if there is no intervention from other countries, the liberation of our territories, the return of a million refugees, the restoration of cities destroyed to the ground!
        3. kNow
          kNow 14 June 2013 09: 11
          +3
          Quote: Skarte
          Alibek, I'm curious about your opinion. The likelihood of the beginning of the conflict. Consequences of the conflict. Will Russia support Armenia in case of a conflict? In my opinion, Russia has no particular desire to harness itself for the "ally" Armenia, although it will have to be due to the CSTO, but there will hardly be direct intervention (my guess is, if a conflict suddenly occurs).

          There is only one answer to all questions - the war will begin when Russia gives permission or Russia is not up to us.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 08: 31
        +8
        Quote: Yarbay
        When they showed the S-300 to Americans, did they also think so ??

        Alibek, you may not be aware, but Russia itself sold the C 300 amers, but they still didn’t figure out what's what, and we created C 400 wassat
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 08: 42
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Alibek, you may not be aware, but Russia itself sold the C 300 amers, but they still didn’t figure out what's what, and we created C 400

          I do not believe that they did not understand!
          It was stupid for them to sell because of money!
          Buyers and so heaps!
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 14 June 2013 08: 47
            +5
            The United States has 1 understated RPN and PU 5P85 dismantled, purchased from Belarus; an attempt to purchase 2 on-load tap-changers and spare parts for them through Kazakhstan from Russia failed. Officially purchased S-300V, without MSNR 9S32.
            In addition, one of the closest allies of the United States - the Republic of Korea: since 2007, a modified version of the S-300, called the Cheolmae-2, has been developed and produced under NATO standards. The system consists of a multifunctional radar (according to NATO classification I-band) developed at the Almaz Design Bureau, a command post and several launchers for the Korean version of the 9M96 missiles. Currently, the main customer is Samsung Thales - a combined company between Korean Samsung Electronics and French Thales [50];
            So, the demonstration of the S-300 in Armenia is a planned action of Russia with the aim of reassuring the United States about rumors about the transfer of the Armenian S-300 to Iran.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 10: 20
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            I do not believe that they did not understand!

            The FSB was against the sale of the complex to Amers, but the designer was told-they’ll sell the hell out.
            By the way, the VAF will come, so look and remember, amers buy anti-ship missiles from us and use them as targets. So to hell with sense, for 20 years they can’t figure out how to find a cure for them hi
            Quote: Yarbay
            It was stupid for them to sell because of money!

            With this money we created C400 wassat
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 June 2013 11: 23
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              With this money we created C400

              Sanya does not seem to be true!
              In line were dozens of countries!
              and the US government dollars are not longer and greener than the dollars of Azerbaijan or China!
              Sorry, I do not believe in it!
              it was either a betrayal or some combination that I don’t know the goals of, but not trivial money!
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 June 2013 08: 46
      +4
      Quote: Milafon
      Imagine what Armenians should feel when they watch their ally arm their enemies


      I wonder what the arguments of the supporters of Armenia will be? I guess - bookmarks, quality, performance characteristics.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 08: 55
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        I wonder what the arguments of the supporters of Armenia will be?

        usually arguments are that they have a Rambic spirit and that they are not afraid of anything!
      2. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 14 June 2013 08: 58
        +5
        Quote: Vadivak
        I wonder what the arguments of the supporters of Armenia will be? I guess - bookmarks, quality, performance characteristics.

        Arguments of the supplied Russian military equipment?
        Or why do some sympathize with poor Armenia than with wealthy oil-rich Azerbaijan?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 14 June 2013 09: 07
          +4
          Quote: Milafon
          Arguments of the supplied Russian military equipment?


          Exactly.
    4. kNow
      kNow 14 June 2013 09: 08
      +5
      Quote: Milafon
      Strange as that. Even the United States does not sell weapons to Azerbaijan, although given that Armenia is an ally of Russia, according to the rules of geopolitical competition, they should automatically sell.
      But they don’t sell it - thanks to the protests of the American Armenians.
      I can imagine what the Armenians should feel when their ally arms their enemies and at the same time keeps repeating "Armenia is still an ally."

      Russia is still able to stop this conflict with one phone call, which the United States is not able to do. Therefore, they are quietly selling.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 14 June 2013 09: 24
        +7
        Quote: Vadivak
        Exactly.

        The new Azerbaijani T-90 will be opposed by the old Armenian T-72.
        The same goes for helicopters.
        The supply of s-300 gave Azerbaijan a chance to control the airspace of Karabakh.
        In general, thanks to Russia, Israel and Turkey, the superiority in technology among Azerbaijanis.
        However, in the 90s, the Armenians were able to win, with three times the superiority of the enemy in people and technology, although Armenia was under blockade, destroyed by earthquake, the economic crisis. The content of Russia was ambiguous.
        So, at that time the situation was more difficult for Armenians than now.
        1. Gari
          Gari 14 June 2013 09: 53
          +4
          Good day to everyone, I didn’t want to intervene, but I can’t, I know that if I answer, it’s not just a debate, but as always a real srach, but
          I read very carefully for similar articles related to the rearmament of our friendly neighbors because of their laudatory, but sometimes informative comments - they say they have such a super army, and Armenia has no army or fighters, but for God's sake think that the Russian guys and such nonsense will fight for us.
          All this was already in the early 90s
          Quote: Milafon
          However, in the 90s, the Armenians were able to win, with the enemy triple superior in people and equipment, although Armenia was under siege, destroyed by earthquake, the economic crisis.

          Everything is rightly said despite the fact that in the spring of 1992, the 4th Combined Arms Army (four motorized rifle divisions), three air defense brigades, a special-purpose brigade, four air force bases and a part of the Caspian Sea Flotilla were transferred weapons and equipment to Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan also got all the ammunition depots (strategic in Kilazi, district in Agdam and Pump, divisions in Gyuzdek, Ganja, Lenkoran, Nakhichevan). The total amount of ammunition in these depots was estimated at 11 wagons.
          Armenia was in the same year 1992, but in the fall, only two of the three divisions (15th and 164th) of the 7th combined arms army of the former USSR, the 366th motorized rifle regiment of the 23rd were transferred under the control of Yerevan 4th Motorized Rifle Division in Stepanakert as well as about 500 wagons of ammunition.
          The division of the military property of the former ZakVO was the most civilized only in Armenia, unlike other neighbors
          And before that they almost fought almost like Berdanks
          Well, as we see it was already worse, and you see the result yourself
          A soldier is fighting, especially if he defends his land and his homeland cannot be defeated!
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 14 June 2013 10: 44
            -4
            Quote: Gari
            And before that they almost fought almost like Berdanks


            Yes)))) can remember how the Russian Police stopped Kamaz, who was traveling to Armenia .. with weapons from black diggers .... or the notorious 366 regiment ... in which C, Ohanyan, being the battalion commander, didn’t obeyed the order and massacred in Khojaly ...... let's not talk about it hi ..there is another topic .. about your weapon, if you can ... but they say ... you got Slingshots with thermal ballistic charges .... fellow
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 June 2013 11: 45
              +1
              Quote: smersh70
              Oh well)))) can remember how the Russian Police stopped Kamaz


              Comrade Harry writes something about the Berdank))) ??

              Today our interlocutor - military commandant of the NKAO emergency zone and adjacent regions of the Azerbaijan SSR, former commander of the North Caucasian District of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, Lieutenant General Yuri Kosolapov.
              What tasks were set before you, the military commandant?

              - My task was to ensure the safety of the population of the region and surrounding areas, as well as to carry out measures to reconcile Azerbaijanis and Armenians living in the NKAR, to prevent clashes between them. After all, the situation in the region was already tense to the limit. The Armenians were aggressive in every way, and we had to use force to calm us down. We fought with the separatists, arrested them, there were even clashes with them. I myself participated in these clashes with armed separatists.

              We had no complaints against the Azerbaijani population of Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis were law-abiding, tried to solve everything peacefully. We saw that the situation in the region was heating up with the help of Yerevan and other parts of the country. It was a destructive force, which, in the end, influenced the unity of the Soviet Union. From there, from Karabakh, it all began.
              How did the population of Baku at that time relate to the Soviet military? After all, the tragic events of January 20, 1990 already happened. Armenian propaganda claims that allegedly after January 20, Azerbaijanis were extremely aggressive towards the Soviet military and the Russian population of Baku, attacked them. Have you come across similar facts?
               We calmly traveled around Baku, no one showed aggression towards us. In this regard, Azerbaijanis, of course, are two heads taller than Armenians. And in Nagorno-Karabakh, I do not remember such a case when Azerbaijanis treated the Soviet military badly.

              http://vesti.az/news/146131
              they did ambushes on the Soviet army with berdanks?))

              Major General Vladislav Safonov, former chief of staff of the Directorate of Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs for the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia, candidate of military sciences, former commandant of the NKAO special situation region

              As the commandant of the NKAO special situation region, I did everything possible so that the Azerbaijani population of the region was not subjected to violence from the Armenians. Already then there were a lot of facts of the commission of violence against Azerbaijanis. Moreover, the Armenian separatists did not shun anything, even provocations against their own. So, for example, there was one Armenian-populated village (now, unfortunately, I no longer remember its name) near Lachin. These were ordinary people, toilers of the village. So, extremists-minded elements intentionally beat Azerbaijanis half to death, and then they barely alive threw them into the village. This was done specifically in order to provoke Azerbaijanis to attack this village. I had to explain to the Azerbaijanis that the Armenians specifically provoke them, push them to action.


              Moreover, Azerbaijanis, unlike the Armenians, were absolutely not ready for this war. I always warned the leadership of both Azerbaijan and the then USSR that the Armenians were well prepared for the war.
              http://vesti.az/news/46842
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 14 June 2013 10: 16
          +3
          Quote: Milafon
          However, in the 90s, the Armenians were able to win, with three times the superiority of the enemy in people and technology

          what a preponderance in people - after the surrender of Kelbajar, an MO was checked, and it turned out that there were only 30000 people in the ranks of the country's MO .., instead of the declared 75000 people.
          I’m completely agreeing with YOU about preparations for the conduct of hostilities .. The Armenians have long hatched their plans. They prepared .... only in the USSR Armed Forces there were 10 thousand senior officers. and our total. 2000 officers, including junior ... You in preponderance, including both air defense and aviation .... which, with the exception of part of the aircraft, did not participate at all. in hostilities
          and now look at the difference ----- http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = h17RB1QHTlA & feature = player_detailpage
          .....
          1. Gari
            Gari 14 June 2013 14: 44
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            ..only in the USSR Armed Forces there were 10 thousand senior officers. and our total. 2000 officers, including junior ones ..

            Well, who prevented you from serving in the ranks of the Valiant Soviet Army?
            It was interesting that I didn’t even know, and besides, you’re almost twice as large as the population.

            Quote: smersh70
            The Armenians have long nurtured their plans. Prepared ....

            Well prepared
            Victory generals Marshals Baghramyan, Khudyakov-Khanveriants, Babajanyan and Admiral Isakov, as their less famous compatriots

            They all served the Motherland where they lived the Soviet Union!
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 14 June 2013 15: 06
              0
              Quote: Gari
              Victory Commanders Marshals Baghramyan, Khudyakov-Khanveryants, Babajanyan and Admiral Isakov, as their less famous compatriots. They all served the Motherland where the Soviet Union lived.



              Just don’t interfere with them in the Karabakh war. fellow YOU, even now, tell me that they are also involved in the beginning of the Karabakh war .... laughing
              but I didn’t know about anything ...)) I advised Tutu to stock up on a can of the Baltic))) so that he would learn a lot from me) join))))))
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 June 2013 15: 10
                0
                Quote: smersh70
                but I didn’t know about anything ...))


                tell Harry how they served the Motherland?)))
                And in general, I wonder what Baghramyan’s ghost will do on the tractor against the tank?))
                but no, I forgot from them the same Jedi swords)))
              2. Gari
                Gari 14 June 2013 16: 31
                +2
                And I didn’t interfere,
                The Armenians have long nurtured their plans. Prepared .... only in the USSR Armed Forces there were 10 thousand senior officers. And our total. 2000 officers, including junior ...
                And about
                Quote: smersh70
                advised one to stock up on a can of Baltic

                I have already drunk and not just one bottle of our ,, Cilicia ,, good beer, but later we’ll go to our native Russian vodka, today is Friday, and tomorrow is Saturday, good luck, my friends are barbecue, have a nice weekend, everyone
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 14 June 2013 16: 38
                  +1
                  I have already drunk and not one bottle only of our ,, Cilicia ,,

                  Then we go to YOU ​​..... hi drinks
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 14 June 2013 20: 28
                    +3
                    (stuttering) this is what option you have. LYNX. Are all EXTRA really? Have you guys decided to demolish Yerevan from the face of the earth?
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 14 June 2013 21: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      X. Are all EXTRA really?

                      http://topwar.ru/9498-reaktivnaya-sistema-zalpovogo-ognya-lynx.html
                      Multiple MLRS LYNXEXTRA units
                      on 2010 there was a year!
                      Now I think more much !!
                      1. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 14 June 2013 22: 15
                        +4
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        X. Are all EXTRA really?

                        http://topwar.ru/9498-reaktivnaya-sistema-zalpovogo-ognya-lynx.html
                        Multiple MLRS LYNXEXTRA units
                        on 2010 there was a year!
                        Now I think more much !!

                        Then it is clear that Armenia demanded Iskander, although without nuclear weapons, how many Iskanders do they need to neutralize a couple of EXTR divisions? Precisely to neutralize, i.e. that you simply do not apply them in case of conflict. How much did it cost you? I think there are only three such batteries in the IDF.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 June 2013 22: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        How many Iskanders do they need to neutralize a couple of EXTR divisions?

                        Two rockets.
                      3. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 15 June 2013 01: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade

                        Two rockets.
                        Well, if only with special ammunition.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 15 June 2013 01: 29
                        +1
                        Cassette warhead. With self-aiming submunitions.
                      5. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 15 June 2013 01: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade
                        Cassette warhead. With self-aiming submunitions.

                        As an answer to the technique will not work. If the Azerbaijanis work, like ours, then 15 seconds after the salvo the car will be in motion from the position, that is, they will hit on an empty spot. The Iskander, for all its might, is not intended to hunt a moving target.
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 15 June 2013 01: 43
                        +1
                        Most likely they will cover up to volley. A weather radar will be detected, which they will necessarily cut in order to introduce corrections for the active part of the trajectory. The range is great. The data exchange between the CABG and the launchers in this area will be detected, they will give a command to start. A gift will arrive.
                      7. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 15 June 2013 09: 48
                        +2
                        The passing yabai knows what a weather radar is and why it is necessary to introduce corrections for the OUT? I’m sure not. This is for him a Chinese letter.
                        But the cons puts it right.

                        Yabai, I’ll write a post for you now:
                        I put the minus.
                        I don’t understand what you wrote about, but I’m absolutely sure that you wrote nonsense
                      8. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 15 June 2013 10: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        I put the minus.

                        this time not me)))
                        Since your nonsense in this thread already Lupatin I do not read and do not comment)))))))))
                      9. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 15 June 2013 10: 24
                        +1
                        Another "show me the entrance to the submarine, and I'll find a thousand flaws in it" besides you? I'll know.
                  2. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 15 June 2013 10: 43
                    +4
                    Of course, I am only a sergeant, but it seems like 15 for years, as artillery and MLRS work on target designation of UAVs. And systematic weather reconnaissance is conducted at some distance from the firing positions.
                  3. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 15 June 2013 10: 51
                    +2
                    Artillery and MLRS have a lot of target designation tools.

                    The state of the atmosphere for corrections for the active section of the trajectory, when the missiles behave differently from the passive one, should be determined at the firing position itself, and not earlier than 15 minutes before launch. Otherwise, it will be shooting "in that direction", which is unacceptable at long ranges.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 22: 52
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Then it is clear that Armenia demanded Iskander, although without nuclear weapons, how many Iskanders do they need to neutralize a couple of EXTR divisions? Precisely to neutralize, i.e. that you simply do not apply them in case of conflict. How much did it cost you? I think there are only three such batteries in the IDF.

        I don’t know the price, but the first batch was delivered under the contract of 2008 !!
        I read somewhere that they seemed to be going to produce rockets with us .. I think it would be great. I just didn’t understand they are more powerful than Tornado ?? in the division how many cars ?? there are 2010 units in open sources for 5 !!
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 15 June 2013 01: 16
        +4
        EXTRA High Precision Ammunition was developed by IAI: Rocket Systems Division and MLM. The goal of this program was to develop missile weapons compatible with a wide range of launching platforms, while providing outstanding accuracy in hitting ground targets. This high-precision over-the-horizon weapon was designed to arm the Israeli and foreign forces.

        EXTRA missiles are currently offered in container packages of four units each for use by ground launchers and can be equipped with a GPS guidance system for more accurate strikes. Thanks to disposable sealed container bags, a long service life and low operating costs are achieved. The rocket has a range over 130 (up to 150) kilometers and is equipped with an 125-kg warhead. The launch weight of the rocket is 450 kg, and the circular probable deviation (CVO) is less than 10 meters. The size of the rocket is very similar to the proven M26 missiles installed on the MLRS M270 used by the US Army and its allies. EXTRA is slightly larger in diameter than M26 (300 mm compared to 227 mm), and has a 3.97 meter in length.
        on each machine, a package with four guides under EXTRA. In the battery of the 4 machine. Packages are installed on all cars from MLRS LYNX. Therefore, I asked how many of these systems you have. They from Nakhichevan calmly cover Yerevan.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 14 June 2013 22: 07
    +1
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Have you decided to demolish Yerevan?


    No ... Erivan we will leave as a city where a peace treaty will be signed .... hi
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 June 2013 23: 37
      +2
      Quote: smersh70
      No ... Erivan, we will leave as a city where a peace treaty will be signed ..

      And we will build cottages for veterans with a view of Agrydag)))))))))
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 14 June 2013 23: 40
    +2
    They will fight back like that!
  • Stoic
    Stoic 14 June 2013 10: 19
    +9
    Azerbaijanis.
    Yes, you leave Russia alone.
    The fact that Russia does not allow you to start a war for Karabakh is, as in the saying about a dancer and eggs.
    You do not crawl for one simple reason - you know that again you will get * items.
    In the 91st, when you unleashed military aggression against the NKR - you had more, you had more weapons - in the end, we have what we have.
    Why are your beloved four UN resolutions adopted four times? Because you violated them every time. By the way, there is not a word about Armenia there.
    So what. You in your repertoire violated the ceasefire regime and each time you lost all new and new territory.
    And now you raise a howl that someone offended you.
    There will be no war for Karabakh.
    You will sit on the priest exactly until the revolution changes the dictatorial regime in your country or until justice prevails and the autochthons put the huts in place, dismantling Azerbaijan into its component parts.
    The fact that your deserter president, who spent the whole war in Istanbul and Moscow, has been pushing, is not the first year of speech, they say a business director and so on, so it is for your brother. Beggar and hungry.
    This method was described by the Strugatskys in the "Inhabited Island"
    So brave Askyars - love your MO Safar Abiyev, who cowardly escaped from Berdzor in 92, your NGS Sadykov - who put 5000 asker at once in the Karvachar mountains in 94. Be proud of the Safarovs and Ibadas Huseynovs. In general, do what you love to do.
    Praise yourself, flatter yourself, boast - this is your destiny.
    1. kNow
      kNow 14 June 2013 10: 44
      -2
      Quote: Stoic
      Praise yourself, flatter yourself, boast - this is your destiny.

      A hut to the forest backwards, to me - before ... You are stuck in history. As always.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 14 June 2013 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: Stoic
      That your president is a deserter,



      and Stalin is also a deserter ..... because he did not serve a day .... laughing laughing
    3. Stoic
      Stoic 14 June 2013 10: 47
      +5
      “The military budget of Azerbaijan is the largest of the budget of Armenia”, “Azerbaijan is acquiring a large number of modern weapons”, “A poor and hungry Armenia will not be able to withstand the powerful Azerbaijani army”, “Our troops will knock out the Armenian invaders from Karabakh in a few days, etc. . All this day by day Azerbaijani propaganda repeats, and many representatives of Azerbaijani society repeat it as programmed machines.

      Such a state of affairs in the enemy’s information field may lead to bewilderment of any person more or less familiar with the history of the last round of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. However, despite the fact that such people, of course, exist in the so-called. Azerbaijan, however, it seems that Azerbaijani society either suffers from amnesia, or for obvious reasons, prefers to engage in self-deception, or has completely lost the ability to think analytically. Or maybe they don’t know in Azerbaijani society or simply don’t understand under what conditions the Armenian nation was able to liberate the NKR? In this case, recall and explain.
      Let us compare the conditions under which the so-called Azerbaijan, and on the other Armenia (RA and NKR). So in order:

      1) Geographical location. T.N. Compared to Armenia, Azerbaijan has a more favorable geographical location. One thing that the so-called Azerbaijan has access to the Caspian Sea, gives it a great advantage. In addition, he has a direct overland route to Russia, Iran and Georgia. At the same time, the borders of Armenia are blocked by Turkey and the so-called. Azerbaijan. Roads through Azerbaijani territories have been blocked since mid-1989, and Turkey closed its border with Armenia in 1993, although before the closure, only food supplies and humanitarian aid arrived through Armenia through this border. The border with Iran, opened in the early 1990s, initially functioned through a pontoon bridge that was thrown over Araks, which often failed. In addition, the road leading from Yerevan to the Iranian border was not highway and was in poor condition. The only normal way for Armenia to the outside world was through Georgia, but the situation in this country in the first half of the 90s did little to facilitate the transit of goods to Armenia - robbery and requisitions were an integral feature of the route through Georgia. And after the closure of the Abkhaz railway in mid-1992, Georgia turned into a dead end for the Armenian railway transport;

      2) The NKR enclave. In addition to the listed logistical difficulties that mainland Armenia faced during the war, the enclave location of the NKR territory was added in the early stages of the war. And this meant a complete blockade, which was carried out by the so-called. Azerbaijan. The Karabakh militias managed to break the blockade only in May 1992, and before that, the NKR maintained contact with the outside world only by helicopter communication. If it weren’t for the heroism of Armenian civilian helicopter pilots, whose rotorcraft were bombarded daily, the NKR would have been deprived of the small amount of medicine and food that could be delivered by air to the besieged republic. But even after the opening of the Lachin corridor, which the Armenians rightly called the “road of life,” the connection between the Republic of Armenia and the NKR was not so easy, because the road was in very poor condition, and it was possible to repair it only after the war;
      1. Stoic
        Stoic 14 June 2013 10: 51
        +1
        3) Spitak earthquake. As a result of this disaster, which occurred on December 7, 1988, the entire north-west of the Republic of Armenia was in ruins (including the second largest city of the Republic - Gyumri). 25 thousand people died, more than half a million people left without housing, forty percent of the industrial potential of the Republic of Armenia was put out of action. Thus, the unequal conditions in which the Armenian side was initially in conflict with the so-called Azerbaijan - significantly worsened;

        4) Energy crisis. After the Spitak earthquake, in 1989 the Armenian NPP was mothballed. This event, as well as transport problems and the liberalization of prices for fossil fuels, in the early 90s of the last century plunged the Republic into an acute energy crisis, which significantly affected many socio-economic spheres of Armenia. However, the energy crisis was not able to break the fortitude and the will of the Armenians;

        5) Arms deficit. At the initial stage of the defense of the NKR and the border area of ​​the Republic of Armenia, the Armenian self-defense units experienced an acute shortage of weapons and ammunition, and most of the militias were armed with hunting, as well as artificially designed and manufactured weapons. In most Armenian units, even the usual Kalashnikov assault rifle was in the amount of several copies. A similar situation has developed for the reason that in Armenia, unlike the so-called Azerbaijan, the military units and depots of the Soviet army were not robbed, and the delivery of weapons to the besieged NKR was problematic. It should be noted that the so-called Azerbaijan six months earlier than Armenia received weapons at the quota due to it from the division of property of the Soviet armed forces. A similar fact in wartime could have had and partly had disastrous consequences. It is immediately necessary to add that the so-called In almost all forms, Azerbaijan received several times more weapons than Armenia, and in terms of indicators such as military aviation and ammunition, it was absolutely superior. To illustrate, we recall that the so-called Azerbaijan received 11 wagons of ammunition, while Armenia received only 000;

        6) External support. The Azerbaijani propaganda machine tirelessly repeats that one of the reasons for the defeat of aggression is the so-called Azerbaijan against NKR is the support of Armenia by Russia. However, if so, then who carried out the “Ring” operation directed against the Armenians? Internal troops and the army of the USSR. Who captured for the so-called Azerbaijan Mardakert? According to the then Minister of Defense, the so-called Azerbaijan, Ragim Gaziyev, it did the Russian Ganja Airborne Division. So until the fall of 1992, military assistance from Russia was received by the so-called Azerbaijan, not Armenia. At the same time, Turkey provided military assistance to its Caucasian offspring throughout the war. And on the side of the so-called. Chechens, Afghan Mujahideen, some Iranian generals, Slavic mercenaries and Turkic-speaking volunteers from different parts of the former USSR fought Azerbaijanis.
        Now we propose to put all of these factors on top of each other, and you will get a picture (far from complete) of the conditions in which Armenia was during the active phase of the hostilities in the NKR. As can be clearly seen, the Armenians of Armenia and NKR were able to defeat the so-called Azerbaijan is in the most severe conditions that can only be imagined for a warring country. For the Armenians, this was truly World War II.

        However, back to the beginning of the article. Recall the militaristic bravado of the so-called Azerbaijanis. What can they say now that they were explained in what conditions the Armenian Victory was forged? Are they still convinced that they can impose their will on us through weapons? If so, then let them compare the situation in the first half of the 90s of the XX century with the current one. The situation is proportionally mildly far from the same. And if a similar sober analysis does not help them, we suggest that they again read our article http://agababyan.livejournal.com/1059.html
        1. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 12: 12
          +1
          Well, then why can’t you tell how the Azerbaijani builders and doctors worked there and performed operations for days, pulled people out of the rubble?
          http://novosti.az/exclusive/20081204/42614433.html
          and how the "dispatcher error" led to the crash of the Il-76 plane with rescuers from the civil defense regiment - Azerbaijan - also forgotten ???
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 37
            +1
            Quote: kotdavin4i
            and how the "dispatcher error" led to the crash of the Il-76 plane with rescuers from the civil defense regiment - Azerbaijan - also forgotten ???

            Alexander is the fact of the matter is that they do not know anything about it !!!
            It was unprofitable, it was necessary that the peoples did not decide to make peace !!
            Remembering this even when talking about the Central Television, they tried not to talk about the citizens of which republic were in the detachment and where!
            Even in Armenia, information was circulated that the plane arrived from Kazan!
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 14 June 2013 16: 27
          +4
          Quote: Stoic
          However, back to the beginning of the article. Recall the militaristic bravado of the so-called Azerbaijanis.



          You still say that the representatives of Africa helped us ..... see photo))))))))
    4. smersh70
      smersh70 14 June 2013 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: Stoic
      Praise yourself, flatter yourself, boast - this is your destiny.

      Quote: Stoic
      Praise yourself, flatter yourself, boast - this is your destiny.



      Finally! In Armenia, the lights came on and the stoic went on the air !!!!!!! laughing
      1. Stoic
        Stoic 14 June 2013 11: 14
        +4
        Despite the multibillion-dollar inflows into the defense budget of Azerbaijan over the past years, this country still does not have a significant qualitative and quantitative advantage in technology over the Armenian armies. As for quantity, the advantage, if it is in some categories, is not significant. As for quality, the armament of Azerbaijan for the most part still has the same Soviet equipment, which, according to some experts, is serviced worse than similar equipment by the Armenian armies. Most of the modern weapons and military equipment purchased by Azerbaijan can either not be used at the Armenian-Azerbaijani theater of operations and is intended to protect against Iran, or their real value in a classic-type war, which, most likely, would be a possible war, is questionable. It should also be noted that many of the experts agree that while maintaining the current funding for the military department of Azerbaijan, this country will be able to gain a qualitative advantage over Armenia in technology only after 8-10 years. However, these forecasts do not fully or partially take into account the acquisition of new weapons by the Armenian states. Moreover, almost no one speaks of the growing military-industrial complex of Armenia, which is more conceptual than the Azerbaijani military-industrial complex.

        As regards the quantity and quality of the enemy’s personnel, almost all independent experts speak of the inferior quality of Asker to Armenian soldiers, and the number is again insignificant. Let's not forget that an assault on a well-fortified mountainous terrain of the enemy should have a threefold quantitative advantage. Azerbaijan does not have double.

        Equally important is the lack of the enemy's ability to effectively use aviation. Do not forget that many of the conflicts of recent decades have been won thanks to the dominance of one side of the air force. Azerbaijan will not be able to achieve such an advantage even in the long term - the air defense of the Armenian states is strong enough and capable of destroying all the aircraft of its eastern neighbor at a time.

        The most significant factor in a likely war with Azerbaijan is the impossibility of creating an effect of surprise. For this, Azerbaijan needs to declare the highest level of combat readiness in high secrecy, withdraw its troops from their places of permanent deployment, declare mobilization, begin the redeployment of troops closer to the zone of planned military operations, etc. Even if we allow an incredible scenario in which similar processes in the enemy camp will go unnoticed for the Armenian intelligence, the military-political leadership of Armenia will be informed about this from our allies. That is, the armed forces of the Armenian states will have enough time to conduct appropriate events for a worthy meeting of the enemy.

        As we see, the war desired by Azerbaijan, even taking into account only purely military factors, cannot with high probability be predicted by Azerbaijan as victorious. Moreover, it will not be a blitzkrieg about which Azerbaijani propaganda is repeating. The war will be large-scale, destructive and will bring very great sacrifices to both warring parties. And this is exactly the most sobering moment for the Azerbaijani “hawks”, since even the relatively small losses (25 dead askers) suffered by Azerbaijan during the period from June 4 to 6, 2012 showed how painfully the Azerbaijani society will react to information about mass casualties from rocket-artillery raids.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 14 June 2013 11: 23
          0
          Quote: Stoic
          then almost all independent experts speak of the inferior quality of Asker to Armenian soldiers, and the number is again insignificant


          Look at the stoic - about the advantage of askers, they are resting in peace opposite your post - filmed in Kelbajar from September 1 to the 10th .. [media = www.youtube.com / watch? V = 0xaysQ-06UA & feature = player_detailpage] 2007 and even preparing barbecue near the village of Leo .... and this is the deep rear of the Armenian troops fellow
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 14 June 2013 11: 57
            -1


            maybe right now published)))))))))))
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 10
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              maybe right now published)))))))))))

              With the initiative of a colleague))))))
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 14 June 2013 12: 52
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                With the initiative of a colleague))))))



                laughing as said VIL, to study, study and still study))))))))))))))
    5. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 June 2013 11: 26
      0
      Quote: Stoic
      That Russia to you

      where is copy-pasteh ??)))))))))
      in the third topic word for word)))))))
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 14 June 2013 12: 00
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        where does copy-paste ??)))))))) in the third topic word for word)))))))



        and he already seems to be a corporal))) when he was a senior sergeant ... I said that he would once be ordinary.))) and many minus me)))))) it seems soon my predictions will come true hi
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 20
          +2
          Quote: smersh70
          it seems soon my predictions will come true

          You just don’t know him)))
          Our David loves creative epaulettes))
          I told him he had 10 nicknames with skulls from Versace))
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 14 June 2013 07: 17
    +6
    ... At one time, the Russian side expressed a desire to purchase these devices, but drones of obsolete types of development of the early 90s were sold to us ...
    I hope our Azerbaijani friends on the Fair Play principle will drive us a couple of Gironov, so to speak, to get acquainted with the latest trends in the world of unmanned fashion)
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 14 June 2013 07: 25
      +5
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
      I hope our Azerbaijani friends on the Fair Play principle will drive us a couple of Gironov, so to speak, to get acquainted with the latest trends in the world of unmanned fashion)

      They have already "adjusted" Gabala, now the Kherons will have to wait ...
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 14 June 2013 10: 24
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        Quote: Semyon Semyonich
        I hope our Azerbaijani friends on the Fair Play principle will drive us a couple of Gironov, so to speak, to get acquainted with the latest trends in the world of unmanned fashion)

        They have already "adjusted" Gabala, now the Kherons will have to wait ...

        You can't be dependent on someone else. Moreover, experts say that the Armavir radar station will cover the southern missile-hazardous direction much better than the Gabala one. The Voronezh-DM station is a new generation station, its field of view is 2,5 times larger than that of the Gabala station, the former commander of the Missile Attack Warning Army, Lieutenant General Nikolai Rodionov, explained earlier.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 14 June 2013 10: 58
          +2
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          You can not be dependent on someone was not.

          Especially from money ... although it is impossible without them
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 14 June 2013 08: 53
      +5
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
      I hope our Azerbaijani friends on the Fair Play principle will drive us a couple of Gironov, so to speak, to get acquainted with the latest trends in the world of unmanned fashion)



      Do not mind))) always ready ... whatever you say, but Israel in this area is ahead of the rest))))))
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 14 June 2013 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: smersh70
        Quote: Semyon Semyonich
        I hope our Azerbaijani friends on the Fair Play principle will drive us a couple of Gironov, so to speak, to get acquainted with the latest trends in the world of unmanned fashion)



        Do not mind))) always ready ... whatever you say, but Israel in this area is ahead of the rest))))))

        Yes, it’s not much use) Well, we’ll figure it out, we’ll expand what’s happening. And to play horseradish. Or it will work out with a Boeing-747. Our microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world)))
  • Denis
    Denis 14 June 2013 07: 21
    +4
    Politics by politics, and the excellence and quality of technology
    Turks are probably quite out of sorts
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 09: 03
      +3
      Good morning to you, why not in the spirit, the Turks are adequate partners, the Altai tank is currently being run-in at the proving grounds and is being fine-tuned, is not yet supplied to the Turkish army - so they are not offended that we buy tanks from Russia, self-propelled guns " Fyrtyna "- sold to us, in quantity - N-copies, difficulties with Germany's ban on the sale of equipment with their engines bypassed, so everything is fine.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 09: 19
        -1
        Quote: kotdavin4i
        Turks are adequate partners,

        In addition, relations with Turkey are important in that they will help the development of the military-industrial complex!
      2. Denis
        Denis 14 June 2013 18: 13
        +3
        Quote: kotdavin4i
        why not in the spirit, Turks are adequate partners
        To sell your completely adequate desire, the same as a lack of joy to the success of competitors
  • Renat
    Renat 14 June 2013 07: 37
    +3
    There are reasonable people in the Azerbaijani leadership. Not that ours, bought Italian armored cars.
  • cartridge
    cartridge 14 June 2013 07: 42
    +5
    Right choice! I always welcome the purchase of our weapons!
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 14 June 2013 08: 24
    +2
    We expect that without our permission the tanks will only ride in parades? Or what will Armenia buy too?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 June 2013 08: 45
      +2
      Quote: Avenger711
      We expect that without our permission the tanks will only ride in parades?

      in most cases I think so!
      And all the neighbors reckon with this!
  • alex67
    alex67 14 June 2013 08: 25
    +5
    RIGHT CHOICE! IT WAS SELECTED AND PURCHASED BETTER! hi
  • Semurg
    Semurg 14 June 2013 08: 26
    +6
    Maybe the leadership of Russia is slowly realizing that Azerbaijan is not the enemy of clearly selling offensive weapons tanks, sau, helicopters, and a signal to non-accommodating Armenians that it is necessary to resolve the Karabakh issue, and not hope that Russia will participate in the occupation of Karabakh and the surrounding areas.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 June 2013 08: 51
      +4
      Quote: Semurg
      Maybe the leadership of Russia is slowly realizing that Azerbaijan is not the enemy of clearly selling offensive weapons tanks, sau, helicopters, and a signal to non-accommodating Armenians that it is necessary to resolve the Karabakh issue, and not hope that Russia will participate in the occupation of Karabakh and the surrounding areas.

      honestly, and recently I come to this thought!
      and in general, if you look at the latest developments in this region and the crumbling economic opportunities of Azerbaijan, there are a huge number of projects there! I think there will be changes, there’s no place without them! Lavrov’s last statement that the status quo in the conflict no longer says anything!
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 09: 08
      +5
      Good afternoon Sagat, Azerbaijan has NEVER been an enemy of Russia (this can be seen even from the history of the Middle Ages and beyond), all the more so now when Russia has a lot in economics and politics, as Napoleon said, “The people who do not want to feed their army will soon be forced feed someone else's "- and we love and respect our army. therefore we buy only high-quality and reliable goods for the army))))
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 14 June 2013 09: 36
        +7
        Good day, San Sanych, nevertheless, I hope that you won’t get to the war and the army will remain in the barracks and this matter will be decided in negotiations. Here I read that Azerbaijan offers the NKR wide autonomy, and that the NKR wants only branches and not a step back or they also have options?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 10: 00
          +4
          Quote: Semurg
          NKR is only a branch and not a step back or do they also have options?

          Other options do not want to consider!
          You see, there is euphoria from past successes!
          When the former President of Armenia Ter Petrosyan made a statement about 15 years ago that it is necessary to put up and compromise, that what the Armenians offer today will not be offered in a few years and lose more, then the very next day the military overthrew him!
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2013 09: 33
      0
      No, it’s just that in our leaders there are a lot of those who will let their mother go to the authorities if they offer him a good price for them.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 14 June 2013 08: 30
    +4
    Yeah ... needless to say. If there is a mess in Karabakh and Russia stands up for Armenia (both CSTO) Then we will watch how our old T-72s (even modernized ones) will withstand the Azerbaijani (ours) T-90S. You’ll have a good laugh ....
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 June 2013 08: 50
      +5
      Quote: Marconi41
      You’ll have a good laugh ....


      Yes, there is little laugh, on the side of the Armenians, according to the agreement, Russian guys will fight.
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 14 June 2013 08: 58
        +3
        So what am I talking about !!! Absurd!
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 14 June 2013 09: 13
          +3
          Quote: Marconi41
          So what am I talking about !!! Absurd!


          Sorry, I didn’t understand right away, I’m most interested in how besides profit you can be guided by selling weapons to an explosive region? The conclusion suggests itself - there will still be no war, and money will not smell.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 June 2013 09: 35
            +2
            The war is likely to be. Azerbaijan, like Georgia, is pumping up arms before the war.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 10: 25
            +2
            Quote: Vadivak
            The conclusion suggests itself - there will still be no war,

            Hello! On one clear and sunny day, the generals from Azerbaijan will feel very strong and start a warrior, the only question is when this happens. Soon the elections in Azerbaijan, I think to them. Aliyev now needs a victory, billions are being tapped into the opposition and there is a single candidate.
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 14 June 2013 10: 46
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: Marconi41
        You’ll have a good laugh ....


        Yes, there is little laugh, on the side of the Armenians, according to the agreement, Russian guys will fight.

        We’ve never appreciated the lives of people. Examples of the sea ...
      3. Predskazamus
        Predskazamus 20 June 2013 15: 49
        +1
        Armenians know how to do "good" deeds with someone else's hand. They have had time to quarrel with everyone in the region!
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 09: 11
      +4
      Good morning, Andrey, WHY WHY if hostilities begin in Karabakh - should Russia stand up for Armenia ??? The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic positions itself as a SEPARATE, INDEPENDENT STATE! It is not recognized by anyone, including Armenia, it is logical that Armenia cannot send its troops into the territory of the NKR, and therefore the CSTO principle is absolutely NOT HERE!
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 14 June 2013 09: 42
        +2
        Vovo, the CSTO should help if the threat to the integrity of the state party, as mentioned above, the status of Karabakh is not resolved (that is, in fact it is not assigned to Armenia) and the CSTO has nothing to do with it ... Now, if, as a result of a POSSIBLE conflict , Azerbaijani troops will suddenly enter directly into the territory of Armenia, then
        The task of the CSTO is to protect the territorial and economic space of countries
        it will be possible to talk about the intervention of the CSTO countries, but this will not happen.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 June 2013 09: 53
          0
          Any of the following actions, regardless of the declaration of war, subject to and in accordance with the provisions of Article 2, will qualify as an act of aggression:
          a) the invasion or attack of the armed forces of a state on the territory of another state or any military occupation, no matter how temporary it may be, resulting from such an invasion or attack, or any annexation by force of the territory of another state or part of it;
          b) the bombing by the armed forces of a state of the territory of another state or the use of any weapon by a state against the territory of another state;
          c) blockade of ports or coasts of a state by the armed forces of another state;
          d) an attack by the armed forces of a state on the land, sea or air forces or sea and air fleets of another state;
          e) the use of the armed forces of one state located in the territory of another state by agreement with the host state, in violation of the conditions provided for in the agreement, or any continuation of their stay in such territory upon termination of the agreement;
          f) the action of a state allowing its territory, which it has placed at the disposal of another state, is used by that other state to commit an act of aggression against a third state;
          g) the sending by or on behalf of the state of armed gangs, groups and regular forces or mercenaries who carry out acts of the use of armed force against another state that are so serious that it is tantamount to the acts listed above, or its significant participation in them.


          Pay attention to point "d"
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 10: 05
          +3
          Quote: Skarte
          , Azerbaijani troops will suddenly enter directly into the territory of Armenia, then

          dear understand, we live in the 21st century and it’s ridiculous to read that if a shell hits the territory of Armenia then it’s another matter!
          Understand if Russia decides to enter into a conflict, then it does not need this excuse, but if something is being organized !!
          And if he doesn’t want to participate, then at least shells will burst around Yerevan, never mind!
          1. Ljubomir
            Ljubomir 14 June 2013 10: 50
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            Azerbaijani troops will suddenly enter directly into the territory of Armenia, then

            This skart is probably about the fact that if it is allowed, then Az-n will give the opportunity to lead to the borders for the 90th year, and not grab a copy (if we are successful).
            1. Skarte
              Skarte 14 June 2013 11: 25
              +2
              Thank you Eugene, I may have said this intricately.
              Understand if РRussia will decide to enter into conflict, then it does not need this pretext, but if something is being organized !!
              I said above that it seems to me that Russia does not want to intervene in a POSSIBLE conflict, but the CSTO commitment is under pressure, therefore, in the event of a conflict, Russia, the CSTO will not intervene until the last moment, until it is (so I indicated "suddenly", because e. hypothetically) a serious threat to the CSTO member Armenia.
        3. Duxiana
          Duxiana 14 June 2013 11: 27
          0
          since when did Karabakh get into the CSTO interest? Can you show the link to the document?
          1. Skarte
            Skarte 14 June 2013 11: 51
            +2
            Citizen Duxiana learn to read correctly, where you saw in my comments that I wrote that Karabakh falls under the protection of the CSTO (give an example). Just the same, I wrote the opposite.
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2013 09: 27
      +3
      I propose to legally fix the following: all the organizers and participants in transactions for the sale of Russian weapons to Azerbaijan should be buried in the grave of the first Russian citizen who died at the hands of the Azerbaijani military.

      This will be fair. And then the dollar greens will get their eyes too closed.
      1. Duxiana
        Duxiana 14 June 2013 10: 51
        +1
        I read your post and laugh. Whom do you think? Head of Rosoboronexport? :)
        You don’t touch the Azerbaijanis, they won’t touch you!

        What should they sell? Weapons, drugs, women, themselves, mothers and sisters? What's wrong with greenery?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 June 2013 11: 03
          +1
          Damn, as the holidays begin, so one-time on the site becomes an order of magnitude more.

          Do you understand your post? It is possible that there are thoughts, it is simply impossible to express them. But you at least try.
          1. Duxiana
            Duxiana 14 June 2013 11: 21
            +1
            I understand that and you me?
            Your voice doesn’t solve anything. And you just write nonsense!
            In the first you are not looking for enemies there.
            In the second, your recommendations do not care for everyone. Including the president of the Russian Federation and the premiere and head of Rosoboronexport.
            In the 3rd, my name is Omar, I am constantly sitting here and constantly reading. When I knew about the existence of this site, you drank beer on a bench.
            1. Skarte
              Skarte 14 June 2013 11: 44
              +3
              Your voice doesn’t solve anything. And you just write nonsense!

              Do not respect someone else's point of view ?? Rudeness, however! This is not a government, here is exactly what their ASSUMPTIONS are saying. You can argue here, but not like you. Mockery is not a dispute, it is a demonstration of no respect for the interlocutor. Kindly express your indignation with more calm and cultural words. Respect your opponent.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2013 11: 51
              -2
              I don’t drink beer, I drink only vodka.

              And I don’t give a damn about your name. Your real name is Hamlo. Am I clear enough to you, lumpen, making myself clear?
              1. Duxiana
                Duxiana 14 June 2013 12: 24
                +1
                Hamlo? These are those who are rude. And not weak to show where I was rude to you? What showed the facts that you write nonsense? ))))))))
          2. Skarte
            Skarte 14 June 2013 11: 30
            0
            Damn, as the holidays begin, so one-time on the site becomes an order of magnitude more.
            This fellow Duxiana, very similar to another "reader" from one article, the same writing style, the same not respect. And then, suddenly, all comments are deleted at once.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2013 11: 52
              +1
              I say, one-time.
            2. Duxiana
              Duxiana 14 June 2013 11: 54
              +2
              Yes, they do not love me, or rather, my truth.
              Now tell me what I showed disrespect? And then let me show you how many disrespectful posts written to my homeland.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 14 June 2013 08: 59
    +4
    I bought more--
    9K57 Hurricane Jet Fire System. Taken into service by the armies of various countries since 1975, this 220 mm caliber multiple launch rocket system. capable of destroying targets at a distance of 10 to 36 km.
    Mi-35M combat helicopter. The first batch of these helicopters, which are in service with the State Border Service, was delivered to Azerbaijan in December 2011. The contract signed with Russia in 2010 provides for the supply of 24 helicopters. Last year, Russia sent another 8 helicopters to Azerbaijan. The Mi-35 helicopter is a modernized version of the Mi-24 helicopters and is designed to destroy armored vehicles. Equipped with a more powerful engine, these helicopters can be used to destroy armored vehicles, provide fire support to ground forces, land and evacuate the wounded, as well as transport cargo in the cabin and on the outside.
  • RUS-36
    RUS-36 14 June 2013 10: 02
    +1
    "At one time, the Russian side expressed a desire to purchase these devices, but we were sold outdated types of drones developed in the early 90s." Jews in their repertoire, found relatives in the Moscow region and sold them old stuff ... "in a friendly way" so
    1. Duxiana
      Duxiana 14 June 2013 11: 17
      0
      Let's swap Israel with Russia.
      Russia is at war with all Arabs. And Israel is arming them.
      And one fine day, Israel turns to Russia for the Russian authorities to sell them UAVs.

      How do you imagine such a situation? What weapon would you sell them? New?
      Have you thought about this?

      When you have questions, ask a question in relation to yourself, put yourself in the place of others and you will receive a 100% answer.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 June 2013 11: 26
        0
        Good offer. Israel is arming a country that is a likely adversary of Russia. Should the Israelis be offended by the fact that Russia is arming the Arabs?
        1. Duxiana
          Duxiana 14 June 2013 12: 25
          0
          Who did Israel arm? Who do you call the US adversary?
          If you take into account what you write, then Russia should declare war on Ukraine and Belarus, which sold weapons to Georgia, and not which participated.

          Not there enemies seeking amigo!
  • Professor
    Professor 14 June 2013 10: 11
    -3
    The acquisition of the Tor system is evidence that this system is still the best in its class in the world, and for many years it will not be equal in the arms market.

    I love everything better, and no analogs. good
  • Strashila
    Strashila 14 June 2013 10: 14
    +2
    Everything is much simpler, buying Turkish equipment will have to create a structure for its maintenance from scratch, and these are not small funds. With all the desire of Azerbaijan to cooperate with Turkey, he does not want to strengthen it on its territory and somehow be dependent on it.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 14 June 2013 10: 27
    +4
    Good afternoon colleagues hi

    The purchase of weapons from Russia,clearly demonstrates priorities Azerbaijan. I can object that the republic also purchases weapons from other countries. I want to upset critics in advance, Azerbaijan purchases only in the following cases

    A. If such is absent in Russia, for example drones.
    B. If Russia does not fundamentally sell, the story of the refusal to supply combat aircraft. Nevertheless, Azerbaijan does not abandon attempts to purchase the same aircraft.

    Rapid and massive rearmament is not dictated by any momentary moods, the republic could just as well send fabulous money to the civilian sector, the occupation of the country continues and Armenia does not want to go to peace talks and, as before, renders intractable.
    Azerbaijan remains committed to peace and has high hopes that Russia will make every effort to resolve the Karabakh conflict. Recently, Russia, through the words of Foreign Minister Mr. Sergey Lavrov, has declared that the current status is unacceptable. It’s encouraging that Russia doesn’t can indifferently observe how on the line of fire, almost periodically, skirmishes occur every day. Russia has always expressed its concern about the unresolved conflict. We hope and believe that Russia will help to politely and focusing on the fundamental principles of international law, to resolve the conflict. Persons of Armenian nationality living in the territory of Karabakh are full citizens of Azerbaijan, nobody is going to and will not allow them to oppress them, much less to infringe on their rights. Azerbaijan is interested in resolving the conflict with Armenia and involving it to all oil. gas and transport projects. The official statement on the possible sale of gas to Armenia was made by the lips of the head of the oil company of Azerbaijan. He built up his peacefulness and humanism. But Azerbaijan’s patience is not unlimited, for 20 years we have been waiting for the conflict to be resolved, we are not supporters of the war, we are ready to wait yet, but in case of failure of negotiations Azerbaijan will be forced to use force to liberate its territory but the weapons will not be directed against peaceful citizens, weapons will be directed against separatists and individuals who are not openly subordinate to the Constitution and laws of Azerbaijan.
    Azerbaijan has the right to extend the force of law to the whole its territory. This is the concept of sovereignty. I repeat once again and ask you to understand me correctly, I, including other citizens of Azerbaijan, do not want war, but we won’t give up an inch of land to anyone, for it and the Motherland to protect it with weapons in their hands. Thank you all for your attention. hi



    1. Skarte
      Skarte 14 June 2013 11: 41
      0
      Azerbaijan is interested in resolving the conflict with Armenia and involving it in all oil, gas and transportation projects. The official statement on the possible sale of gas to Armenia was made through the lips of the head of the oil company of Azerbaijan, thereby once again demonstrating his peacefulness and humanism.
      It’s curious why Armenia is against, as such, it does not have power over Karabakh, only a large number of Armenians live there. Moreover, Karabakh declared itself independent, i.e. and Azerbaijan will not surrender to Armenia either. What economic interests does Armenia have in Karabakh since it so zealously defends this territory, maybe the principle. Please don't beat wink , curiously, territorial disputes were always and everywhere.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 24
        +4
        Quote: Skarte
        It’s curious why Armenia is against, as such, it does not have power over Karabakh, only a large number of Armenians live there. Moreover, Karabakh declared itself independent, i.e. and Azerbaijan will not surrender to Armenia too

        this is not true))))
        Karabakh is controlled from Armenia!
        Rather, the former residents of Karabakh rule Armenia, taking power in the wake of success in the first war!
        and everything else is visibility and politics!
        1. Skarte
          Skarte 14 June 2013 12: 31
          +1
          This is clear. AND
          What economic interests does Armenia have in Karabakh since it so zealously defends this territory, maybe the principle.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 13: 46
            +3
            Quote: Skarte
            What economic interests does Armenia have in Karabakh since it so zealously defends this territory, maybe the principle.

            None !!
            There is only the centuries-old dream of elites about Great Armenia from sea to sea !!
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 14 June 2013 18: 54
          +2
          I will add that "citizens of the NKR", when traveling abroad, present the passports of the Armenian republic. Maybe they also have passports of Armenia, I just do not know.
          1. Predskazamus
            Predskazamus 20 June 2013 16: 28
            0
            They have a scandal on this topic. Passports are not issued at all to Karabakh residents. The reason is the mass exodus from the region unilaterally. Without issuing a passport, they want to stop the decline in the population. Plus, they are populated by Armenians from Syria
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm 14 June 2013 10: 31
    +3
    T-90 is the best tank in the world!
  • rekrut
    rekrut 14 June 2013 10: 32
    +1
    As if we had not armed someone on our own head.
    1. Duxiana
      Duxiana 14 June 2013 10: 48
      +2
      If you sell weapons, then you must have 2 guarantees.
      1) Protection against this weapon
      2) Faith!

      Throughout history, Azerbaijan has never once shown an aggressive attitude against Russia.
      If you don’t know, it was Azerbaijan that was against the collapse of the USSR and voted in a referendum by a majority to remain part of the Soviet Union.

      And those strategic allies voted for secession. A long-standing dream of independence!

      So it is not yet known who will betray anyone.


      It seems to me that Russia is starting to build relations with strong countries, rather than a burden on the neck.
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 14 June 2013 10: 40
    +2
    I am glad that the former "SOVOK" is acquiring the proven "Soviet" equipment ...
  • Duxiana
    Duxiana 14 June 2013 11: 08
    0
    I read a lot of commentary that does not deservedly apply to Azerbaijan.
    Someone sitting here ever asked himself a question

    WHAT IF IF KREMLIN HELP AZERBAIJAN TO RESTORE ITS LAND? What's next? To solve the Karabakh conflict within the framework of internationally recognized territories?

    Has anyone asked this question? Does anyone know what will happen next?
    No matter how strange it looks, namely, with the departure of the last Russian officer from the Daryal radar station in August, this closes the 200-year-old presence of Russia in Azerbaijan.

    Have you been aware of this?

    Now ask a question, what will happen if Karabakh is returned to its rightful owners? What will happen between Azerbaijan and Russia?
    1. Stoic
      Stoic 14 June 2013 11: 18
      +3
      Did you know that Azerbaijan first appeared on the map in 1918?
      Have you been aware of this?
      )))))
      So when you say
      this closes the 200-year presence of Russia in Azerbaijan
      what are you talking about?
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 14 June 2013 11: 26
        +5
        Quote: Duxiana
        Now ask a question, what will happen if Karabakh is returned to its rightful owners? What will happen between Azerbaijan and Russia?

        You ask such questions that it is inconvenient to answer ... even ...
        1. Duxiana
          Duxiana 14 June 2013 11: 35
          0
          And you try ....
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 14 June 2013 11: 50
            +3
            Quote: Duxiana
            And you try ....

            Back and forth, cultural events?
      2. Duxiana
        Duxiana 14 June 2013 11: 35
        -1
        Stand, go learn history. Believe me, it’s not an amateur of the history of Azerbaijan who writes.
        This is a map published in London in 1847 year. This map will undoubtedly shock the representatives of the Armenian propaganda claim that there was no Northern Azerbaijan until 1918, that Karabakh de had never belonged to Azerbaijan, and that Armenia was historically a country located in the Caucasus as well.



        http://s2.ipicture.ru/uploads/20130614/2aByUBfO.jpg
        Do you want a deeper drip ????
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2013 11: 33
      +5
      Quote: Duxiana
      Has anyone asked this question? Does anyone know what will happen next?

      Of course they asked.
      CSTO and TS will fall apart. All Russia's foreign policy achievements in the post-Soviet space are down the drain. Who will contact a country that is not fulfilling its allied obligations?
      Armenia will host NATO troops; it needs protection from aggressive neighbors.
      Azerbaijan will throw contemptuously at Russia "what, have done with an ally to help?" and will continue to integrate with Turkey

      What will Russia get? As usual, nothing. Only lose.
      1. Duxiana
        Duxiana 14 June 2013 11: 43
        0
        CSTO will fall apart? Because Azerbaijan will be part of?
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
        CSTO is falling apart without Azerbaijan. Remember the Georgian war.
        Belarus and Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan have better relations than with Baku than with Armenia and Russia. What do you think, just like that, Lukashenko and his ministers every time they meet with their Azerbaijani colleagues speak more about the warmth of relations, friendship and fraternity than with Armenia and Russia.
        Do you want links?))))))))))))))))))
        And now about NATO.
        1) Azerbaijan for 20 years has shown that not only will not be part of NATO, but at the same time it will leave friendly and strategically partnerships with Russia. (VEILS WANT?)
        I am VERY glad that YOU WRITE CORRECTLY, ARMENIA DIRECTLY TO NATO)))))))) THANKS THAT I RECOGNIZED))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))) HAHAHAHAHAHA.
        Do you want a friend and ally who will immediately change the owner's landmark? For God's sake))).
        And so I will tell you honestly, it was not Turks who established war in the territory of present-day Armenia, but Armenians in Turkey. Not Azerbaijanis in Armenia killed people and Armenians in Azerbaijan))))))))
        In general, everything is clear with you. FOLLOWING!
        You're on your own wave! They communicate with such people and I’m not going to lose time. Waiting for adequate people.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 June 2013 11: 54
          -4
          Went away, hamlo.
          1. Duxiana
            Duxiana 14 June 2013 12: 18
            +1
            How can you not find words and facts immediately show your true face? Culture for a long time is not enough?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2013 12: 22
              +1
              With people like you for a while. Your audience considers respect for the interlocutor a weakness, and with you I will speak your language.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 27
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Went away, hamlo.

            Touched ??))))))))))))))
            And when you yourself are so rude like?))))))
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2013 12: 30
              +1
              I am never the first to start.
              1. Duxiana
                Duxiana 14 June 2013 12: 37
                0
                Show me where I was rude to you? I'll show you where you are

                1) showed public disrespect for the Azerbaijani people, insulting them with greenery.
                2) You insulted me.

                The facts are here.
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 41
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                I am never the first to start.

                You are from the fact that by nature a boor, so you do not notice this for yourself !!)))
                It’s just a pity that the monitor and thousands of kilometers share us all!
                I am sure many would have vowed to be rude if they had seen each other))
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 14 June 2013 12: 49
                  0
                  You, in my opinion, run up again. Do you think that you can insult Russian officers, express understanding and sympathy for the freaks who cripple Russian soldiers, and after that do not run into a response?
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 56
                    -2
                    Quote: Spade
                    Do you think that you can insult Russian officers

                    You know, stop beating here in the chest saying you are a Russian officer !!
                    Learn to be responsible for yourself and as a person in the first place, and do not hide behind a glorious uniform !!
                    from your actions and words it smells bad and I don’t give a damn what army officer you are for me this is not a sign of your upbringing or mind!
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 14 June 2013 13: 07
                      0
                      I'm still trying to hold back. Remembering what a balabol you are and how you can cut back sharply.

                      You insulted Russian officers. Was there a deal? It was.
                      You expressed sympathy and understanding for the actions of Ingush teenagers who threw stones at Russian columns, knowing that at the same time some of our servicemen were injured and some were crippled. Was there a deal? It was.

                      What, in your opinion, should there be a reaction to your statements of this kind?
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 14 June 2013 13: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Remembering what a balabol you are and how you can cut back sharply.

                        So far, you have been indulging!
                        And do not hold back, rudeness in your nature, still break through !!
                        Quote: Spade
                        You insulted Russian officers. Was there a deal?

                        I have said and always say that there are officers who blur and stain the honor of their uniform and which I will never give a hand to!
                        There are those whom I deeply respected and respect!
            2. Skarte
              Skarte 14 June 2013 12: 35
              +2
              Touched ??))))))))))))))

              That comrade has long gone beyond. Follow his comments.
        2. Skarte
          Skarte 14 June 2013 12: 17
          +4
          CSTO will fall apart? Because Azerbaijan will be part of?
          Can you read? Lopatov said if Russia does not fulfill its obligations to an ally, then such an ally is worthless. And Russia is not going to lose its image, so it will not betray. And you turned everything upside down.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 02
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        Armenia will host NATO troops; it needs protection from aggressive neighbors.


        Well, yes)))), if it were so simple, Georgia would have accepted them a long time ago!
        Armenia will never get anywhere from Russia!
        1. Duxiana
          Duxiana 14 June 2013 12: 19
          +3
          Gagul, you see how you plant facts, so they explode immediately)))))))))
          Cez tapa bilmiyandya, yanyllar gettyar !!
          1. kotdavin4i
            kotdavin4i 14 June 2013 12: 35
            +3
            laughing laughing laughing good more like yanyllar
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 43
            -1
            Quote: Duxiana
            Gagul, you see how you plant facts, so they explode immediately)))))))))


            Hello))))
            You waved like in the years of your youth))))
            By the way, David is also here))))))
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          1. Duxiana
            Duxiana 14 June 2013 12: 28
            0
            Yes, the flag in your hands with such a bridgehead.

            http://ann.az/file/pic/news/2013-06/1370433840_1f174033f7c4cf6a260dd3169137a67c.
            jpg

            look at the picture ... admire))))))

            It will be right to say, as the Armenians themselves say, Russia has no other option than to have us as an outpost))))))))))

            and you advertise as if they are with a crucified hug waiting for you))))))))))))
            Wake up.

            They hate you no less than those who are in the mountains of Chechnya.
            They just have no way out.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 12: 45
            0
            Quote: Spade
            And why Georgia Georgia? To annoy Russia? But Armenia is a wonderful springboard.

            Without access to the sea, without borders, a bridgehead?)))
            and how to get to this bridgehead?))))
            and Armenia or Georgia have borders with Russia ??)))
            Apparently, if you were a military man, you were illiterate and God had mercy on Russia or you did a lot of harm to it!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2013 12: 56
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              and Armenia or Georgia have borders with Russia ??)))

              What about Russia? Can you read? Or are they only able to master the first phrase of a post?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 June 2013 13: 17
                0
                Quote: Spade
                What about Russia? Can you read?

                then explain to me a respected strategist bridgehead where you intend to create NATO in Armenia, and if you didn’t mean Russia, how does it hurt you as a * Russian officer * ??
                What do you mean by a bridgehead?
                Quote: Spade
                Or are they only able to master the first phrase of a post?

                And Everything else is nonsense, which is ridiculous to comment !!
                Did Russia disappear from the political map of the world?
                And without Turkey, the US has enough allies to punish Iran!
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 14 June 2013 13: 31
                  0
                  Why did you decide that it hurts me? I have long understood that Armenia is our temporary ally.

                  The bridgehead is the space on which one of the force groupings will be deployed to invade Iran. Armenia borders with it, the logistics can be fine-tuned - from Europe, in transit through Georgia. The shoulder of the ride is minimal.

                  Azerbaijan is unlikely to agree to this, it is too dangerous, the game is not worth the candle. Turkey is on your mind. And Armenia will agree unconditionally. In exchange for the security guarantees that the Americans, with their powerful Armenian lobby, will gladly offer
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 14 June 2013 13: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    The bridgehead is the space on which one of the force groupings will be deployed to invade Iran

                    Thanks to Iran, Armenia still has not gone around the world !!
                    It is Armenia that, despite the prohibitions, is still conducting banking with Iran!
                    Yes, Iran will put them on their knees if only they think to do this!
                    Kamikaze Armenians to chop the branch on which they sit and look at the logistics, the location of countries, borders and for God's sake carefully study and do not write nonsense anymore !?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 14 June 2013 13: 55
                      0
                      Americans will be able to provide Armenia with the resources of defeated Iran.

                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Kamikaze Armenians to chop the branch on which they sit

                      The Americans will chop the bough. And the Armenians will have a choice - to stay sitting on it or go over to the side of the winner. I hope you understand that the United States and its allies are several orders of magnitude stronger than Iran?

                      Quote: Yarbay
                      and generally look at the logistics, location of countries

                      And you yourself look. The best options are you, Armenia and Turkey. You will not take risks. Your hydrocarbon deposits are very vulnerable. Turkey is trying to play the role of a regional leader, and therefore it is not a fact that they will agree to provide their territory for invasion. But Armenia has nothing to lose, after the change of power in Iran, they will generally remain on beans.

                      And do not forget that there will be another springboard for the invasion, in the Gulf area. The monarchies there will gladly provide it. But it is bad that the shoulder of the drive is too large, through the floor of the world mat. funds have to be dragged.
                      1. Gooch
                        Gooch 14 June 2013 14: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Spade
                        And you yourself look. The best options are you, Armenia and Turkey. You will not take risks. Your hydrocarbon deposits are very vulnerable. Turkey is trying to play the role of a regional leader, and therefore it is not a fact that they will agree to provide their territory for invasion. But Armenia has nothing to lose, after the change of power in Iran, they will generally remain on beans.

                        Poor Americans .. The whole world has come together in Armenia, they don’t know where else they can attack
                        A couple of Shahabs, or Zelzalov, will immediately bring to life this small republic.
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 14 June 2013 14: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Gooch
                        Poor Americans .. The whole world has come together in Armenia, they don’t know where else they can attack

                        So I about it, there can be no more incompetent solution !!
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 June 2013 14: 26
                        +1
                        It’s more competent to drag everything over the distant lands, I understand correctly? Why cheap, if expensive? Once again, 2200 tons of material assets per division per day.
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 14 June 2013 14: 22
                      +2
                      This scheme is nonsense. There is not enough shoulder drive. The bulk of NATO’s material resources are located in Europe and the United States. Imagine now the transportation routes.

                      And keep in mind that with the US Motorized Infantry Division, the materiel expenditure for medium-range combat operations is 2200 tons per day.
                    3. Gooch
                      Gooch 14 June 2013 14: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: Spade
                      This scheme is nonsense. There is not enough shoulder drive. The bulk of NATO’s material resources are located in Europe and the United States. Imagine now the transportation routes.

                      ZHOOOOSKOE, the shoulder of the supply, it is urgent to call the Jedi from Armenia, as well as the 15th and 16th transgalactic fleet of the river Armenia, without it, the NATO can not cope with a technological superpower called Iran
                      Countries where the US military bases are eating, not counting NATO in general, are silent about the Air Force, where they are .. I think you yourself know

                    4. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 14 June 2013 14: 45
                      +1
                      The US military base is cool. Yes, the Americans just will not empty them, they are not for this purpose
                    5. Gooch
                      Gooch 14 June 2013 14: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      The US military base is cool. Yes, the Americans just will not empty them, they are not for this purpose

                      If you now say that they were intended for Russia, I will shave as a monk.
                    6. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 14 June 2013 15: 20
                      +1
                      No. For unplanned deployment of troops. And they will be preparing for a war with Iran in a couple of months.
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 14 June 2013 15: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    Yes, the Americans just will not empty them, they are not for this purpose

                    Reread the history of the latest US wars, and then tell us about the supply arm and what US bases are for!
                  3. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 14 June 2013 15: 36
                    +1
                    Reread yourself. Do you know how many ships transported cargo from the United States before the operation to free Kuwait? 269 ​​US Navy maritime shipping vessels and 50 chartered civilians. 10-12 ships for coalition troops per day passed through Suez.

                    Ship loading was carried out in the ports of the eastern coast of the United States and the Gulf of Mexico. Following at a speed of 12-15 knots, vessels arrived at the ports of discharge after 25-30 days. Container ships went at a speed of 30–33 knots and spent only 12–15 days on the passage. In total, about 550 - 600 flights were completed during the operation.

                    And this is for the liberation of tiny Kuwait. This is what war is on another continent.
                  4. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 14 June 2013 15: 47
                    +3
                    Quote: Spade
                    Do you know how many ships transported cargo from the United States before the operation to free Kuwait?

                    Mlyn, therefore, do not slow down and please do not tell the tale to me that transferring all this will be easier to Armenia !!
                    On your part, it is either painful obstinacy or incompetence!
                  5. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 14 June 2013 16: 17
                    +1
                    Are you all right with geography?
                    Which is closer to the Atlantic coast of the USA, the coast of Georgia or the coast of Saudi Arabia?
                    Which route is safer along the coast of Turkey, or along the coast of Iran?
                    Which route will require the creation of guarded convoys, to the coast of Georgia or to the coast of SA?
                    Which of the straits will the Iranians mine, Hormuz, or the Bosphorus?

                    If I were you, I would not use the word "incompetence" in the light of the questions I asked above.
                  6. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 14 June 2013 16: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    Which of the straits will the Iranians mine, Hormuz, or the Bosphorus?

                    Are they mined?))))))))))))))))))))
                    Quote: Spade
                    Which route is safer along the coast of Turkey, or along the coast of Iran?

                    Are you serious???)))
                    If so, then I have nothing to talk about with you on this issue!
                  7. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 14 June 2013 17: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Are they mined?))))))))))))))))))))

                    Exactly. For you, the news that you can mine the straits?


                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Are you serious???)))
                    If so, then I have nothing to talk about with you on this issue!


                    Oh, my friend, it seems you merged. What finally looked at the map?
                2. Gooch
                  Gooch 14 June 2013 20: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Which is closer to the Atlantic coast of the USA, the coast of Georgia or the coast of Saudi Arabia?

                  Why are these dances with a tambourine? In Georgia, the most central base of NATO is worth a tunnel? Or some special ports? Can there be infrastructure for the adoption of such volumes of goods? Maybe some special runways?

                  Few ways to deliver chtoli? Blue air carriage. Must Georgia and Armenia drag in? without them in any way? It is only for the Americans that such supply routes are acceptable, and there is NATO, if the operation is joint, Iran will be rolled out in a couple of days
                3. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 14 June 2013 22: 10
                  +2
                  No way, dear. And you yourself have long realized this and are arguing for the sake of argument

                  The circuit is interesting, but it has a lot of game. Especially with air travel. To liberate Kuwait, it was necessary to deliver about 7,3 million tons of military supplies. This is about 35,5 thousand sorties of the Mriya An-225.
                  Yes, and the purely sea route is strange, to Israel. He does not border Iran. And drive equipment for 1000 km. to the border with Iran, it hurts curly
                4. atalef
                  atalef 14 June 2013 22: 19
                  +3
                  Quote: Spade
                  The circuit is interesting, but it has a lot of game. Especially with air travel. To liberate Kuwait, it was necessary to deliver about 7,3 million tons of military supplies. This is about 35,5 thousand sorties of the Mriya An-225.

                  Yes, nothing and no need to drive anywhere, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain (especially) - one large American base. Everything is already stocked up, brought back and is waiting in the wings.
                5. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 14 June 2013 22: 51
                  +1
                  And the troops there in suspended animation in the dungeons?
                6. Gooch
                  Gooch 15 June 2013 07: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  And the troops there in suspended animation in the dungeons?

                  And will they be delivered to Armenia through a teleport from the Galaxy Galaxy Nord? On Transgalactic war starships, armed with Jedi swords, riding reptilians with the support of the zerg, will they attack Iran unwanted by the Amers?
                7. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 15 June 2013 08: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Gooch
                  And will they be delivered to Armenia through a teleport from the Galaxy Galaxy Nord?

                  The question is not only in Armenia!
                  Take any country in the Caucasus, which is still not a profitable bridgehead for the West, but convenient for Russia!
                8. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 15 June 2013 09: 20
                  0
                  No. Delivered to the absolutely safe coast of Georgia and on its own.
          3. Gooch
            Gooch 15 June 2013 07: 52
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Yes, and the purely sea route is strange, to Israel. He does not border Iran. And drive equipment for 1000 km. to the border with Iran, it hurts curly

            But it’s safe, it’s better through Israel, it’s normal, safe, with developed infrastructure, than through some kind of Armenia or Georgia type that Iranians will cover at the very first moment.
            A feeling you live in other worlds
          4. Lopatov
            Lopatov 15 June 2013 09: 25
            0
            What is safe there? Way to a Safe Iraq? It seems that you are fundamentally not paying attention to geography.
            Plus, why did you decide that Armenia and Georgia would be covered, but not the bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait?
          5. Gooch
            Gooch 15 June 2013 09: 43
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Plus, why did you decide that Armenia and Georgia would be covered, but not the bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait?

            In Saudi Arabia, Kuwait has long been as a MIM-104 stand. But in Armenia, with Georgia, only dildos are flying, there is no infrastructure, there is no defense from Iran either, it sounds easy in words, but in reality everything is controlled when Amer realizes that Iran will have at least the slightest chance for proper defense, it’s immediately they will sweep away and will inappropriately be asked to grant territories, Iranian missiles will not fly to Washington, but primarily to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Israel, Turkey, at bases in Iraq, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Afghanistan, the Arabs in particular the Saudis the modern air force and air defense, superior to the Iranians in both quality and quantity, are generally silent about the ground forces. The DunFeng Saudis have a head and shoulders superior to Iranian eldaki ala Shahab-3, at the moment the Arabs can normally confront, together with Israel, any moves from Iran, the Arabs do not digest them even more than the Jews, the question is what kind of war it will be, a remote or direct ground operation will be carried out, Iran does not consider air defense, the air forces also pose more danger to the Iranians themselves than to the Arabs. Georgia and the Armenians have nothing, neither the Air Force, nor the Air Defense, all that is - the territory is unsuitable for transporting a large amount of cargo over long distances.
          6. Lopatov
            Lopatov 15 June 2013 10: 05
            0
            Quote: Gooch
            In Saudi Arabia, Kuwait has long been as a MIM-104 stand.

            And religious principles prohibit the Americans from defending their bridgehead for the invasion of Armenia and the way to transport the mat. funds in transit through Georgia, I understand you correctly?

            Quote: Gooch
            no infrastructure

            Yeah. The length of the railway lines of Armenia is 1328,6 km. Georgian Railway 1612 km. No infrastructure.

            Quote: Gooch
            when the Amer realize that Iran will have at least the slightest chance for proper defense, it will be immediately swept away

            Dear, the Americans are adequate guys, they just do not fight. Although for some reason it seemed to you that there will be war for the sake of war.
            The Americans will sweep away Iran when the economic situation in Europe allows it. And no "distance war". It is pointless, and the costs do not pay off.
          7. Gooch
            Gooch 15 June 2013 10: 21
            +4
            Quote: Spade
            And religious principles prohibit the Americans from defending their bridgehead for the invasion of Armenia and the way to transport the mat. funds in transit through Georgia, I understand you correctly?

            Well, try, purely logical assumption, place a couple of Patriot divisions there, how many feces Russia will pour on you, and how much stench from the Russian Foreign Ministry. lol

            Yeah. The length of the railway lines of Armenia is 1328,6 km. Georgian Railway 1612 km. No infrastructure.

            Are you going to fight with a sleeper? military infrastructure does not only mean transport. The railway located near the side of a potential enemy will not live long.

            Dear, the Americans are adequate guys, they just do not fight. Although for some reason it seemed to you that there will be war for the sake of war.
            The Americans will sweep away Iran when the economic situation in Europe allows it. And no "distance war". It is pointless, and the costs do not pay off.

            Amerikosov is not annoyed by the Iranian atomic bomb, it will not reach them, they are annoyed by the terrorist potential that Iran has accumulated over the entire existence of the Islamic Republic, Kodsy, KSIR, Bassidzhi, they have garters in Europe, the United States and the Middle East, and all this is funded by Iran, such an awl would be stronger in the ass than an atomic bomb.
            Four trillion spent on the war in Iraq paid off? Has the debt become less, or has the sequestration been canceled? Or have they had twice as much profit since the Iraq war?
            Do Americans pump all the money out of Iraq? Do they take oil to themselves? Why, then, is GDP growing and has already surpassed the Saddam level? less Agitok ala Sovdepagitprop read.
          8. Lopatov
            Lopatov 15 June 2013 10: 43
            0
            Quote: Gooch
            Well, try, purely logical assumption, place a couple of Patriot divisions there, how many feces Russia will pour on you, and how much stench from the Russian Foreign Ministry.

            Dear, you are generally aware that the Americans ALWAYS cover the troops with air defense systems. And if a bridgehead for invasion is created in Armenia, will it, like the supply routes, be covered up?

            Quote: Gooch
            Are you going to fight with a sleeper? military infrastructure does not only mean transport. The railway located near the side of a potential enemy will not live long.

            Sleepers are much more important than tanks. Because a hungry crew in a tank cannot fight without shells and fuel.

            Quote: Gooch
            they are annoyed by the terrorist potential that Iran has accumulated over the entire existence of the Islamic Republic,

            Yeah. But Sunni terrorism does not bother them, they kill gently ... If they were worried about terrorism, then they would have bombed Saudi Arabia for a long time.

            Quote: Gooch
            less Agitok ala Sovdepagitprop read.

            In my opinion, you re-read them. The Americans are not fighting over oil. And for controlling her flows. Even without getting a direct profit, they get huge indirect profits.

            Here you look at Russia. Why are we all trying to put Europe on our gas needle, and Europe together with the Americans are actively opposing this? Do you think that it’s all about Gazprom’s income? Yes, he will be able to receive an order of magnitude more by re-targeting the Russian market.
          9. Gooch
            Gooch 15 June 2013 10: 59
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            Dear, you are generally aware that the Americans ALWAYS cover the troops with air defense systems. And if a bridgehead for invasion is created in Armenia, will it, like the supply routes, be covered up?

            Yes, I’m vkurse, but you still haven’t answered how many tons of shit will be poured by the Russian Foreign Ministry in this situation? And what is the reaction of the Russian Federation with such a move? Purely theoretically.

            Sleepers are much more important than tanks. Because a hungry crew in a tank cannot fight without shells and fuel.


            Something here doesn’t really smell like super Armenian railway roads, and in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, I would not say that everything is cool and good with railway, but I just live like Americans without Armenians and don’t know the troubles.
            Armenian railways are the most railway in the world. They walk only in the direction of their "enemy number 1" - Iran, the Americans will put a couple of hundred Abrams on a platform, send them, meet them in Iran, rejoice, make a new drone based on Abrams, they say there are no analogues in the world.


            Yeah. But Sunni terrorism does not bother them, they kill gently ... If they were worried about terrorism, then they would have bombed Saudi Arabia for a long time.

            They control Sunni terrorism, but not Shiite. :)

            Here you look at Russia. Why are we all trying to put Europe on our gas needle, and Europe together with the Americans are actively opposing this? Do you think that it’s all about Gazprom’s income? Yes, he will be able to receive an order of magnitude more by re-targeting the Russian market.

            Considering what energy prices in Russia are, they cut coupons quite well.
          10. Lopatov
            Lopatov 15 June 2013 11: 29
            0
            Quote: Gooch
            how many tons of shit will be poured by the Russian Foreign Ministry in this situation?

            Will it matter to the Americans? They will not cover their troops, because Moscow is against?

            Quote: Gooch
            It doesn’t really smell like something here is super Armenian railway roads, and in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, I would not say that everything is cool and good with railway

            To liberate Kuwait, a group of 700 thousand people, over 4 thousand tanks, more than 3700 field artillery and mortar guns, about 2 thousand airplanes, and up to 200 warships and auxiliary vessels were assembled.
            In Afghanistan, the maximum number of troops was 132. Is the idea clear?
            And even so, railways were actively used and are being used. On some Germans, Russian Railways earned millions.
          11. Gooch
            Gooch 15 June 2013 11: 38
            +1
            Will it matter to the Americans? They will not cover their troops, because Moscow is against?

            And Moscow in this world at least decides something?) Well, or at least in the CIS .. And then you have already decided to help Syria, and protect Iran by breast, but here it is.
          12. Skarte
            Skarte 15 June 2013 12: 12
            -3
            As you can see, Syria has not yet fallen ... Moscow has loot from this TRANSLATION DATABASE ... So you need to carry the blizzard and put it here, go to Azerbaijani resources and tell how Moscow has no influence on your region!
          13. Gooch
            Gooch 15 June 2013 12: 18
            +3
            Quote: Skarte
            As you can see, Syria has not yet fallen ... Moscow has loot from this TRANSLATION DATABASE ... So you need to carry the blizzard and put it here, go to Azerbaijani resources and tell how Moscow has no influence on your region!

            From which transshipment base?) Armenian mine?
            102 base is located in the territory of the Republic of Armenia without monetary compensation.
          14. Skarte
            Skarte 15 June 2013 12: 23
            -1
            Open your eyes and look at your comment above.
          15. Gooch
            Gooch 15 June 2013 12: 37
            +1
            Quote: Skarte
            Open your eyes and look at your comment above.

            I don’t know why you have the loot there, but there is no NATO base in Ulyanovsk, for a year this topic has been procrastinating :) I do not understand you. they themselves write that they cut the loot, and then they themselves say that it is not there. http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_24772/
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 11: 42
    +2
    So Iraq at that time was not a deeply weak state in the Middle East, both in terms of equipment and the number of troops, the Americans and Kuwait were released, and they still advanced into Iraq, so what? What's next? There were only half a million Americans, the rest of the hodgepodge of NATO + UAE - 40 thousand aircraft tanks + Saudi Arabia 118 thousand 550 tanks, 180 aircraft Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Oman and so on, and that they all had to be asked to provide territory? They probably didn’t know then that Georgia and Armenia exist ..
  • Gooch
    Gooch 14 June 2013 15: 57
    +2
    What does Armenia have to do with this, having no access to the sea, having three and a half airdromes that some AN-2 will take, with Russian military bases, and mountainous terrain? Iran, Israelis and the Saudis, Qatars and Emirates can take out, and the equipment and the air force are there for this.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 17: 28
    -1
    You chose to "forget" about Georgia. Commendable.

    Quote: Gooch
    Iran, Israelis and the Saudis, Qatars and Emirates can endure

    Rare nonsense.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 14 June 2013 17: 35
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    You chose to "forget" about Georgia. Commendable.

    Yes, it’s you who rather arrange some kind of dancing with a tambourine, what for all this hemorrhoids, if there is Turkey in NATO within 20 centimeters from Ormenia, there’s no need to put a bolt on everything, and climb into Armenia, your logic is simply amazing.

    Exactly. For you, the news that you can mine the straits?

    Of course, the Americans, led by NATO, will sit and masturbate, watching how the Iranians mine the straits, UAVs, satellites, reconnaissance planes, all garbage, swim a couple of boats on oars with mines and re-mine everything there to a damn thing, which is already afraid to enter , where are these Americas with their drones, satellites, tracking technologies .. These straits are not just a sea of ​​trickles, but the main arteries through which most of the world's oil passes, the Americans are not finished to mow them. The Americans control every bunch there, but you’re talking about some mining
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 17: 47
    0
    Quote: Gooch
    Yes, it’s you who rather arrange some kind of dancing with a tambourine, what for all this hemorrhoids if there is Turkey in NATO 20 centimeters from Ormenia

    Remember the second war with Iraq. And all your "misunderstandings" will disappear at once. Are you aware that the Americans had to land in Iranian Kurdistan in order to seize the airfield, because Turkey banned the use of its territory?


    Quote: Gooch
    Of course, the Americans, led by NATO, will sit and masturbate, watching the Iranians mine the straits

    Exactly. Because the Iranians can do in their ter. waters anything.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 14 June 2013 17: 59
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Do you know that the Americans had to land troops in Iranian Kurdistan in order to seize the airfield because Turkey forbade the use of their territory?

    Like in Armenia, they’ll have everything at once, they’ll be allowed to do everything, only they need to ask for permission ..
    Amerikosov was supported in Kurdistan by Kurdish armed separatists, thereby rendering a service to them, of course for no reason, the offensive from Basra began, that is, from the South, in plain language from Kuwait. The airfields were needed there in order to immediately transfer new forces, and not in order to bomb, they would still have to seize them, even if the offensive from Turkey went on.

    Exactly. Because the Iranians can do in their ter. waters anything.

    Yes, even if the feces are poured there, the sense of this is zero, they will mine, the Americans will bomb from the air, they will not mine, from the sea.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 18: 03
    -2
    Quote: Gooch
    Like in Armenia they’ll have everything at once, they’ll be allowed to do everything

    Like yes. Armenians have nowhere to go.


    Quote: Gooch
    the good of it is zero, they’ll mine, Americans will bomb from the air, they won’t mine, from the sea.

    Google "tanker war" You need to know at least a little history.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 14 June 2013 18: 32
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Google "tanker war" You need to know at least a little history.

    The conversation seemed to be about mines, what did the Tanker war have to do with it? What Iraqis that Iranians knocked out three and a half tankers, western, and what next?
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 18: 53
    0
    Quote: Gooch
    The conversation seemed to be about mines, what did the Tanker war have to do with it?

    Inattentively read. 10 mine ships were blown up, right? But the most interesting thing is that at that time Iran did not block the Strait of Hormuz
  • Gooch
    Gooch 14 June 2013 19: 03
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Inattentively read. 10 mine ships were blown up, right? But the most interesting thing is that at that time Iran did not block the Strait of Hormuz

    10 ships, based on the total number, this is a bunch in a puddle to sink a tanker dofig business you need to do, it’s not a schooner that was blown away by the wind, tankers do it so that they can withstand 10 minutes, the question is different, but that and those stupidly fired at the tankers of third countries passing by. Did you also hear about Operation Firm Intentions? Have you heard about this thing?
    Iran in a direct clash and 3 days will not hold out, even mine, at least not mine
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 19: 15
    0
    Dear, a very simple thing cannot reach you in any way. In order to start a war, it is necessary to bring up troops and material supplies necessary for a war. And in order to give a ride, it is necessary to ensure the safety of ships, that is, to start a war.

    Stalemate situation. And this is precisely what does not allow the use of this area as a springboard for supplies.

    Do you understand my point?

    All of these things are, of course, cool. But do not forget that Iran is not at war with Iraq now and that it will not be able to quietly strike. Everything is big, everything is adult. And you propose that through the combat zone every day a convoy of ships carry several tens of pieces each.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 14 June 2013 19: 42
    +3
    Quote: Spade
    Stalemate situation. And this is precisely what does not allow the use of this area as a springboard for supplies.

    Better not to come up with a provision.

    Drawn personally for you. And then, by your logic, the Americans are no longer masters of their ass.
    1) Where at least in one of the water areas will host hostilities from Iran? In the Mediterranean? In the Red Sea? In the Atlantic? In the Indian Ocean? They will be bombed on the first day, wherever they are, well, they can’t theoretically resist

    2) what does Armenia have to do with all this?
    3) Are you really sure that Iranians having blocked 1 strait can really resist the USA and the NATO countries?
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 22: 18
    -1
    Dear, you are a complete zero, do not be offended. Creating a foothold for the invasion of Iran in Israel is megafearic. You do not even understand what is at stake.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 07: 55
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Dear, you are a complete zero, do not be offended. Creating a foothold for the invasion of Iran in Israel is megafearic. You do not even understand what is at stake.

    Well, of course, it’s megafaery, the idea with Armenia and Georgia is much more interesting, you can’t do without them
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 09: 27
    +1
    Armenia, unlike Israel, borders with Iran. Look at the map.
  • atalef
    atalef 14 June 2013 22: 30
    +3
    Quote: Gooch
    Drawn personally for you. And then, by your logic, the Americans are no longer masters of their ass.

    (+) There are so many American bases around Iran that even their (Iranian) statements about the everyday creation of another wunderwaffle will not help.
    Iran will not be captured. Roll out in the Stone Age, the people themselves will complete what they started. The people of Iran are far from single, so far away. that without the IRGC and the suppression apparatus, it would have split for a long time. (Alibek, who knows the region and language very well, I think I will support this)
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 15 June 2013 08: 13
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Iran will not be captured. Roll out in the Stone Age, the people themselves will complete what they started. The people of Iran are far from single, so far away. that without the IRGC and the suppression apparatus, it would have split for a long time. (Alibek, who knows the region and language very well, I think I will support this)
    Yes, it's like two and two Sanya !!
    There, in cities, people are politically very active, and in villages they are illiterate!
    After they are rolled out from the air into the Stone Age and a no-fly zone is created, the Azerbaijanis will be armed on the one hand, the Kurds will go on the other, and most importantly tens of thousands of well-armed members of the organization * mujahhedin-e-hulg * on the third side! meat grinder for 10 years ahead !!
    But, if they want Iran to remain a single state, they won’t be able to do anything without mullahs!
    Since in the spiritual life of the majority of the population their authority, or rather, the authority of the ayatollah is very high!
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 09: 36
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    Here you have the bloody meat grinder for 10 years ahead !!

    Cool. Yes, but there is no need for any bloody meat grinder.
    A safe area is needed for the construction of pipelines capable of redirecting Central Asian and Iranian hydrocarbons from China to Europe. And quickly. Because sharply higher hydrocarbon prices could again plunge the European economy into a hole.

    Or do you, as Israelis, think that the reason for the "raids" on Iran is nuclear weapons and threats to Israel ??!
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 09: 48
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Or do you, as Israelis, think that the reason for the "raids" on Iran is nuclear weapons and threats to Israel ??!

    The Americans will spend more money on the war with Iran than they will receive from this profit, oil from the Americans, and at least chew booty.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 10: 11
    +1
    Dear, but at least think a little.

    I didn’t just use the word redirect So now they are sent to some other place? Prailno, to China. Why do Americans need to limit China's economic growth, what do you think?
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 10: 26
    0
    Quote: Spade
    I didn’t just use the word redirect just like that. So, now they are sent to some other place? Prailno, to China. Why do Americans need to limit China's economic growth, what do you think?

    If the American economy "catches a cold", for the Chinese economy this cold will develop into pneumonia, China is economically dependent on the West and the United States. At the same time, it is beneficial for them.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 10: 53
    +1
    Quote: Gooch
    If the American economy "catches a cold", for the Chinese economy, this cold will develop into pneumonia,

    This has been true for a very long time. Have you noticed that at a time when the United States fell into recession and Europe was almost bending, China was showing steady growth?
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 11: 03
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    This has been true for a very long time. Have you noticed that at a time when the United States fell into recession and Europe was almost bending, China was showing steady growth?

    Give me an extra 900 million workers who are ready for a bowl of rice to feed the field with a plow tied to the Ox, I will show you such economic growth - Ahnite.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 11: 30
    +1
    Exactly! And therefore, China has long spit on the colds of the American economy.
  • atalef
    atalef 14 June 2013 22: 26
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    Do you propose that through the combat zone every day a convoy of ships carry several tens of pieces each.

    What about supplies through the ports of the Red Sea? I saw the Saudi port from Eilat beautifully (Like the Jordanian) On the shores of the Eilat Gulf?
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 23: 17
    +1
    The shoulder of the drive is huge.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 23: 26
    0
    Does the person who put the minus know what the "delivery shoulder" is?

    Dear Azerbaijani company. You start to get me. After all, I can also instruct so many minuses that you are tormented to disentangle.
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  • atalef
    atalef 14 June 2013 22: 23
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    Inattentively read. 10 mine ships were blown up, right? But the most interesting thing is that at that time Iran did not block the Strait of Hormuz

    You probably do not know that a year ago, Saudia built an oil terminal outside the Strait of Hormuz, with an oil pipeline, etc.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 23: 18
    +1
    It does not matter. Ships with troops and equipment will need to be navigated through the Strait of Hormuz. Drive them through the pipeline is difficult.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 08: 10
    -1
    Quote: Spade
    It does not matter. Ships with troops and equipment will need to be navigated through the Strait of Hormuz. Drive them through the pipeline is difficult.

    The Americans are so mediocre that they can’t hold this strait in any way, everything is against them ..


    Here, without Armenia, well, you can’t do anything, contact the General Staff at the Americans, I think they will laugh at you


  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 09: 42
    +1
    The first scheme. There are a lot of flags, but little help. By forces and means stationed there, Iran cannot be captured.

    In the second diagram, Azerbaijan is indicated as one of the bridgeheads for an attack on Iran. How is it fundamentally different from Armenia? The fact that it’s definitely not going to get into this mess, because it’s more expensive for yourself?

    The third diagram shows how Israel can destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities with aviation. This scheme has absolutely nothing to do with the invasion in question.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 09: 51
    0
    These are three different attack scenarios, I explain for those who are in the tank.

    If the threat from Iran is towards Azerbaijan, then it is likely that it will provide its territory. And so, there without Azerbaijan, everything is covered
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 10: 21
    +2
    Have you still not understood that the US is not fighting because of threats to anyone else ???
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 10: 32
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Have you still not understood that the US is not fighting because of threats to anyone else ???

    True, not because of threats, but because of specific actions on the part of the aggressor, for example, the 1990 Persian Gulf War. The invasion of Kuwait was sudden, and the first Americans there did not fall from the sky on the very first day, several months passed before the Desert Shield began, then it was really sudden. Now this will not work out, Iran once slaughtered against Israel, now it’s sloughing, it’s slamming into Azerbaijan, and there will be steps on its part, the Saudis will slap, they will tighten up, and so on and so forth.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 10: 55
    -1
    Quote: Gooch
    True, not because of threats, but because of specific actions by the aggressor,
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 11: 06
    0
    I'm tired already, so what's wrong with Kuwait? Or is it like Iraq and Iran are nyashki, whom you can’t name aggressively-minded states, and in their leadership they have purely sun-lamb lambs of God sitting?
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 11: 31
    +1
    And I got tired of your naivety.
    Okay, everything, tired. I’m going to talk better with adults.
  • Gooch
    Gooch 15 June 2013 11: 49
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    And I got tired of your naivety.
    Okay, everything, tired. I’m going to talk better with adults.

    do not continue, I already understood what you wanted to say
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 15 June 2013 10: 36
    +2
    Quote: Gooch
    These are three different attack scenarios, I explain for those who are in the tank.

    cumulative stream))))))))))))
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 15 June 2013 10: 55
    -2
    Cumulative jet
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 14 June 2013 18: 11
    +3
    Quote: Gooch
    Amerikosov supported in Kurdistan

    And Turkey did not support the amers then only because they knew about the plans for creating Kurdish autonomy!
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 18: 46
    -1
    And who said that a similar territorial entity in Iran would not be created?
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 14 June 2013 19: 00
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    And who said that a similar territorial entity in Iran would not be created?

    it doesn't matter anymore!
    then there was the question of precedent!
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 19: 03
    +1
    And in this case it will be. Because only Turkish Kurdistan will remain unreleased
  • atalef
    atalef 14 June 2013 22: 22
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Remember the second war with Iraq. And all your "misunderstandings" will disappear at once. Are you aware that the Americans had to land in Iranian Kurdistan in order to seize the airfield, because Turkey banned the use of its territory?

    So how is it ? Did it delay them for a long time?

    Quote: Spade
    Because the Iranians can do in their ter. waters anything.

    Of course, just specify how much it is - the territorial waters of Iran. And why should they mine their territorial waters?
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2013 23: 21
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    So how is it ? Did it delay them for a long time?

    Not for long. But creating a bridgehead for an invasion is easier in Armenia. How to persuade Turkey.


    Quote: atalef
    Of course, just specify how much it is - the territorial waters of Iran. And why should they mine their territorial waters?

    Because both shipping channels through the Strait of Hormuz pass in ter. waters of Iran.
  • Duxiana
    Duxiana 14 June 2013 12: 22
    +1
    What will Russia get? Does she get a little?
    1) Not a lot of money is being spent from the oil fund on orphaned homes in Russia.
    2) Schools are repaired and repaired with the same money.
    3) With the money of Azerbaijan, Rosoboronexport has orders and factories are working.
    4) So far, oil and gas are going to Russia, from this, too, millions.

    AND MUCH MORE.

    It is not enough? Few?
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 14 June 2013 11: 43
    +3
    Is Russia really changing its external vector in the South Caucasus? In the strategic plan, of course it’s profitable, well, or we won’t sell the method, we will sell the others, and Azerbaijan, by principle, doesn’t become dependent on it.
    Question to KNOWLEDGEING PEOPLE whether it is realistic to service these tanks in Indian factories or Ukrainian factories ??? Or only Russian plants can serve ???
    1. Duxiana
      Duxiana 14 June 2013 11: 50
      +1
      Yeraz apparently is. Russia is changing the vector. If during the parade they show T-90 and Mstu, then see what will happen in Armenia, what protests, especially posters. There will begin a complete hysteria.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 June 2013 12: 38
        +1
        I hope they will show Duxiana, well, the true face of the Armenians, we Erazy know best wink
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    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 June 2013 13: 12
      +2
      Quote: Gooch
      .. HOW TO LIVE? AND? HOW TO LIVE!?

      Do not sleep with the Armenians, oh with the Armenians laughing
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 14 June 2013 13: 33
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Do not sleep with the Armenians, oh with the Armenians

        Now I’m going to bypass the Young Armenian Women .. who knows, you will bring it like that on a visit, you will start to move the engine, and then there are YTTS TYTS FLIPPERS, Sargsyan - thirty centimeters! This is tuning! This is dualism!
        1. Gari
          Gari 14 June 2013 14: 48
          +1
          Listen you don’t go too far do not touch Armenians
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  • Master
    Master 14 June 2013 12: 08
    +2
    Russia having sold modern military equipment to Azerbaijan hints that Russia will never intervene in the Karabakh conflict ?! request
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2013 12: 25
      +4
      Not. It’s just that some Russian leaders believe that money in your pocket is a great thing, even if it’s paid for by the blood of our soldiers.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 14 June 2013 12: 21
    +4
    I would also predict the additional modernization of these tanks by Israeli systems.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 June 2013 12: 43
      +2
      Pimpled is quite real, but I would like to know that Israeli specialists could add something useful? All the same, sometimes I want to consider military aspects as well))
      And someone will answer my question about the possibility of servicing these tanks in India and Ukraine ?? or only native plants of the Russian Federation ??
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 13: 28
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        And someone will answer my question about the possibility of servicing these tanks in India and Ukraine ?? or only native plants of the Russian Federation ??

        I think if you bought a large batch, then for sure the service center will open!
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 June 2013 14: 48
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          Quote: Yeraz
          And someone will answer my question about the possibility of servicing these tanks in India and Ukraine ?? or only native plants of the Russian Federation ??

          I think if you bought a large batch, then for sure the service center will open!

          It’s not clear that some kind of service center will be understood, but if a serious repair is needed? Or Russia suddenly changes its mind or deliberately delays the repair, then it’s possible to get the parts to be repaired by other countries for repair ??? But the quality is not inferior factory repair?
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 June 2013 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          Quote: Yeraz
          And someone will answer my question about the possibility of servicing these tanks in India and Ukraine ?? or only native plants of the Russian Federation ??

          I think if you bought a large batch, then for sure the service center will open!

          It’s not clear that some kind of service center will be understood, but if a serious repair is needed? Or Russia suddenly changes its mind or deliberately delays the repair, then it’s possible to get the parts to be repaired by other countries for repair ??? But the quality is not inferior factory repair?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 June 2013 14: 53
            +2
            Quote: Yeraz
            or Russia suddenly changes its mind or deliberately delays with the repair, then it is possible to get the details whether to send such a tank for repair to the factories of other countries ???

            I don’t think that this is possible, and if I bought a large batch of these tanks, the delay in repairing one or two tanks is hardly so important!
            Ali, to a large extent, as you know the t-90, the deep modernization of the t-72, that is, I don’t think that it has something that our technicians could not fix, apart from the electronic stuffing, of course, although we have highly qualified specialists in electronics!
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 14 June 2013 22: 21
            +1
            We have a tank repair plant, plus good staff .. and if. What is the Tbilisk repair plant .....

            By the way, we have one gagash that disassembles the T-72 out of the blue. like a Kalashnikov assault rifle .... but he started out as a simple soldier mechanic ...
            he even makes innovations and rational proposals, he even wanted to create a new tank, but he was told that there are no production lines__))))))
        3. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 14 June 2013 15: 23
          +3
          Usually, specialists of the country that buys so that they can repair are taught before buying, There may be problems with spare parts, but she also decides to buy them in other countries or on the black market! So I don’t think there will be a problem with T-90 maintenance hi
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 14 June 2013 13: 31
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        Pimpled is quite real, but I would like to know that Israeli specialists could add something useful?

        I think a lot of bells and whistles can do!
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 14 June 2013 18: 03
        +2
        Russian factories probably give a certain guarantee. There are no problems with service anywhere, the only question is how wide the warranty is and how much it provides for service by other companies.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 June 2013 18: 14
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Russian factories probably give a certain guarantee. There are no problems with service anywhere, the only question is how wide the warranty is and how much it provides for service by other companies.

          I'm now more interested in the number of tanks bought!
          And deserving of applause services secured the contract!
      4. Pimply
        Pimply 14 June 2013 18: 11
        +4
        Modern LMS TISAS. On the Kazakh T-72s, which were modernized with Israeli help, the caterpillar with the serial RMS was equipped with asphalt pads - in Russia, as Khlopotov writes, they could not master this technology. TIUS, driver’s thermal imaging device, Elbit Systems / Azimuth Technologies Comet navigation system with GPS, Tadiran radio stations. Air conditioning Israeli shells. As an option - KAZ. Israeli blocks of dynamic protection.

        By the way. T-72 Aslan (Azerbaijan) is an upgrade option developed by the Israeli company Elbit Systems. The tank is equipped with a computerized FCS, a GPS-based navigation system, a friend-or-foe detection system, thermal imagers of the commander and gunner, and a mounted remote sensing system.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 14 June 2013 23: 15
          0
          Come on with Israeli flags and move to Palestine.
  • La hire
    La hire 14 June 2013 13: 46
    +4
    Quote: Yeraz
    What Israeli specialists could add useful?

    You can tell fortunes. They can put the system "friend or foe" (as on the Georgian T-72), thermal imagers. Perhaps even KAZ "Trophy", well, a very useful thing.
    You can still put COAPS.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 June 2013 14: 51
      +3
      La hire drinks not a bad thing)
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 14 June 2013 15: 38
    +4
    Ukraine, together with Belarus, has developed a new radar for Azerbaijan
  • ed65b
    ed65b 14 June 2013 15: 44
    +1
    Well, when do you go to fight Karabakh ???
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 14 June 2013 17: 25
      +4
      Quote: ed65b
      Well, when do you go to fight Karabakh ???



      as soon as the stoic puts after the parade, a lost can of Armenian cognac ... hi fellow
      1. Denis
        Denis 14 June 2013 18: 22
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        can of Armenian cognac ...
        Was that still?
        And then everything is as if Greek and as if cognac
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 14 June 2013 22: 25
          +1
          Denis ---- You're right, he didn’t even deign to answer the bet ..... it’s just that there was only one massandra fellow
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 14 June 2013 23: 12
        0
        And why did they argue ????
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    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 14 June 2013 17: 33
      +2
      Quote: Gooch
      Hateful activities

      honestly, in my opinion your post was, on the contrary, aimed at inciting love, but for a certain part of society)))))))))
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  • Corneli
    Corneli 14 June 2013 18: 28
    +1
    Most impressed with this:
    "The most advanced export version so far is the one in service Algerian army: on it automatic tracking system integrated in the fire control systemThere is also air conditioning. T-90A tanks of the Russian army are deprived of all this."
    I’m looking at what we have, what to sell in Russia, to whom (the Azerbaijanis have no offense, I’m more likely about Algeria and India), the current is the newest ... but don’t understand what they leave for themselves (even new mods. MIG-29 appeared in the Air Force because Algeria refused them !!!)
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 14 June 2013 22: 28
      +5
      when they appoint Serdyukov as Minister .... then you are right .... and he is engaged in (f) framing his female battalion ..... winked
      by the way ...... and all the same, Serdyukov had a taste fellow
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 14 June 2013 21: 55
    +2
    At one time, the Russian side expressed the desire to purchase these devices, but we were sold drones obsolete types of development of the beginning of the 90-s.
    At one time, the USSR was a leader in this area. Buran